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00:35 <rtyler> evening, does anybody know of a BOINC client library written in .NET?
00:35 <rtyler> if not, should I just start reimplementing what's in bonice_api.C?
00:35 <PovAddict> what do you mean client library?
00:36 <PovAddict> to make a .NET "science app"?
00:36 <rtyler> I suppose, my end goal is to have a .NET-based application that will churn through work units from a BOINC-based project like SETI, etc
00:37 <PovAddict> your own project you mean?
00:38 <PovAddict> I'm not aware of *any* alternative implementation of that API btw
00:38 <PovAddict> I think you're better off using the process-level wrapper
00:38 <PovAddict> C++ app that does all the fancy BOINC stuff, and spawns another process that does the actual work
00:40 <PovAddict> I'd give you links to documentation, but BOINC website has been down all day
00:40 * PovAddict tries to remember when he woke up
00:40 <PovAddict> more than 12 hours of downtime for sure
00:41 <rtyler> yeah, that's been fun >_<
00:41 <PovAddict> that "been fun" is probably as sarcastic as "rewriting boinc api in .net will be fun" would be
00:41 <rtyler> well, with a clean C# implementation, I can compare performance, and do some interesting things in restricted environments that don't allow p/invoke calls from .NET into C++ (or spawning of worker threads)
00:42 <rtyler> heh
00:42 <PovAddict> and I don't mean from .NET to C++, I meant the other way around
00:42 <rtyler> assume a system where on managed code is allowed to run, i.e. IronPython, C#, etc
00:43 <rtyler> that's what I'm trying to evaluate in terms of possibilities
00:43 <PovAddict> only managed code?
00:43 <rtyler> I'm not against rewriting the API and such in C#, it doesn't look exceedingly complex
00:43 <rtyler> yeah
00:43 <PovAddict> that means rewriting the whole core client in C#, not the api thing
00:45 <rtyler> so everything in boinc/client?
00:45 <PovAddict> and lots from boinc/lib too
00:45 <PovAddict> including communication with server, benchmarks that give the same results as the official client, scheduler and workfetch algorithms, gui rpc handling, etc etc
00:45 <PovAddict> you're in for a year's work, seriously
00:45 <rtyler> bah humbug ;)
00:45 <rtyler> is what's in boinc/client and boinc/lib the only implementation thereof?
00:46 <PovAddict> well, here's the thing, if you can only run managed code, you need to rewrite the whole boinc client architecture and the science apps too
00:46 <PovAddict> most projects don't give sourcecode btw
00:46 <rtyler> what do you mean, the science apps?
00:47 <PovAddict> the app that actually processes the seti workunit
00:47 <PovAddict> BOINC just manages timeslices, downloads work, reports work back, and starts the science app...
00:47 <rtyler> ah, so the workunits are defined on a per project basis? and an app is written to handle those accordingly? :/
00:47 <PovAddict> yep
00:48 <rtyler> ew
00:48 <rtyler> :)
00:48 <PovAddict> climateprediction sourcecode, for example, is only available on request (gotta fill some legal stuff) and it's a few million lines of Fortran
00:48 <rtyler> delicious
00:48 <rtyler> this is certainly filling in some critical misunderstandings of mine with regards to the BOINC project :P
00:49 <rtyler> I was under the impression that BOINC also defined an interface for how to process workunits, and a protocol for them as well
00:49 <PovAddict> I have been planning for a long time to make some diagrams and stuff (maybe even animated) showing how the whole thing works...
00:49 <PovAddict> mostly useful for BOINC project admins
00:49 <rtyler> what's your involvement in the project btw?
00:50 <rtyler> ew, Fortran .NET http://www.codeproject.com/dotnet/intro_fortran.asp :P
00:50 <rtyler> thanks Romulus bot
00:50 <PovAddict> I have a BOINC project myself, I have contributed a few code fixes, and I'm quite active on the mailing lists and stuff
00:51 * PovAddict looks around for somebody to pay him tech support salary >.>
00:51 <rtyler> gotcha, I think these complications in terms of how work is actually processed might be a key reason why I couldn't find any C# related code pertaining to BOINC
00:52 <PovAddict> you could make a C# "science app" that uses the wrapper easily
00:52 <PovAddict> some more work, and you could have it be a "native BOINC app", talking to the core client directly
00:52 <PovAddict> (can you access shared memory blocks from .NET?)
00:52 <rtyler> the preferred way of doing such monstrosities is to have a native library that does that, and call into and out of the native library with a well defined interface
00:53 <rtyler> but yes, there are disgusting means of doing so ;)
00:53 <PovAddict> but if you want a 100% managed code environment on the client side, you need to rewrite more than half of what "BOINC" is
00:53 <PovAddict> and it's not worth the effort
00:53 <rtyler> given how work is actually defined, doesn't seem so :/
00:53 <rtyler> I wasn't aware that work was defined more per-project :/
00:54 <PovAddict> well, I asked about shared memory because core client and science app talk to each other that way
00:54 <rtyler> instead of sockets or pipes?
00:54 <rtyler> shared memory has to be right below "printing and scanning with OCR" in terms of favorite means of IPC :P
00:54 <PovAddict> yeah
00:55 <PovAddict> congratulations, you just finished your "Reasons Why BOINC Sucks: Part I" class
00:55 <rtyler> hah
00:55 <rtyler> YAY!
00:55 <Romulus> Title: NGrid, Open source grid computing (at ngrid.sourceforge.net)
00:56 <PovAddict> I'd show you a 400-line class declaration (a C++ header file that is) that is part of the core client, but site is down :P
00:56 <rtyler> know which file it's in? I've got a checkout of zee code here
00:56 <PovAddict> on a different question... WHY do you need a 100% managed code system?
00:56 <rtyler> 100% managed is far more portable between Mono and .NET and their ilk than not
00:56 <PovAddict> you should recognize it for its smell from quite far away
00:56 <PovAddict> I think client_state.h or something
00:57 <rtyler> wow
00:57 <PovAddict> they put it into a huge class that is only instantiated once; I think that's just a way to hide that *conceptually* (not technically) it's all global variables
00:57 <PovAddict> :P
00:57 <rtyler> I think I'm going to vomit
00:58 * c0dewarrior passes a bucket
00:58 <PovAddict> once you come back from toilet, you will have finished your "Reasons Why BOINC Sucks: Part II" class
00:58 <rtyler> heh
00:58 <rtyler> WHEREZ MAH BUCKIT
00:58 <PovAddict> how's about C++ code that never EVER uses exceptions?
00:58 <c0dewarrior> PovAddict: You should start him early on "Why BOINC Rules: Part 00.01"
00:59 <rtyler> PovAddict: sounds like it was written by academics >_>
00:59 * rtyler ducks
00:59 <PovAddict> errors are handled with C-like return code checking
00:59 <PovAddict> rtyler: erm... "University of Berkeley"
00:59 <rtyler> I can sort of understand that, setting up an exception context in C++ a slightly expensive operation
00:59 <rtyler> PovAddict: I'm in San Francisco, I'm well aware of some of their skillz ;)
01:00 <rtyler> UCB teaches a SHITLOAD of theory, but not nearly enough practical application thereof
01:00 <rtyler> amazing my beloved BSD came out of there :P
01:00 <PovAddict> rtyler: do you think this is a good guideline? "if a 15-year-old knows better than you, You're Doing It Wrong"
01:00 <rtyler> who's the 15 year old?
01:01 <PovAddict> 'cuz I'm 16
01:01 <rtyler> heh
01:02 <PovAddict> meow
01:02 <rtyler> PovAddict: it's not hard to find blatant errors with open source C++ code ;)
01:02 <rtyler> the only *good* open C++ code I've seen in the past is from the L4 microkernel (pistachio)
01:03 <PovAddict> hey here's another nice one
01:03 <PovAddict> GUI RPCs rely on frame boundaries, sort of...
01:08 <rtyler> hrm, not I'm somewhat up a creek on my Managed grid computing hack :P
01:08 <rtyler> s/not/now/
01:11 * c0dewarrior has .NET seizures for a couple of minutes
01:11 <rtyler> c0dewarrior: Mono man, that's where I'm at ;)
01:12 <c0dewarrior> ahhhhhh
01:12 * c0dewarrior has .NET seizures for a couple of seconds
01:12 <PovAddict> mono means monkey
01:12 <PovAddict> in spanish at least
01:12 <Romulus> what did you upgrade Rommie's randomspeak plugin? he seems to be working - I'm going to head off.....really quite buggered here
01:12 <PovAddict> that says everything
01:13 <c0dewarrior> mono means "boring" here
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01:19 <rtyler> PovAddict: thanks for your help, I'm going to go admit defeat and look at other grid computing possibilities ;)
01:20 <freelarry> PovAddict how did you get a picture of what i caught my brother in law doing?
01:20 <PovAddict> o_O
01:20 <PovAddict> o rly
01:21 <PovAddict> o_O
01:21 <freelarry> now you know why i don't let him touch a screw diriver ;)
01:21 <freelarry> replaced his kitchen faucet today for him
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01:23 * freelarry thinks sudoko going to have to work a little more on progress bar if they going to use those big units
01:24 <freelarry> 3hr 45 minutes and over 95 million IO read bytes so far
01:24 <freelarry> memory usage is steady tho
01:24 <Romulus> I think it was too optimistic, the parents in 10hrs
01:25 <freelarry> you gots it Romulus
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02:29 <c0dewarrior> yay, rain
02:29 <c0dewarrior> rain = traffic
02:29 <c0dewarrior> traffic = delays
02:32 <Tidus> delays = pissed off driver
02:34 <c0dewarrior> indeed
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04:28 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast
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04:49 <CoderForLife> b
04:50 <quail> wb
04:50 <quail> hiya Don
04:50 <CoderForLife> thanks/morning Dale
04:51 <quail> how are you?
04:51 <CoderForLife> sneezing a lot this morning
04:51 <Romulus> seems like A LOT OF WORK FOR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE BUILT IN
04:52 <CoderForLife> I agree, Rommie
04:52 <CoderForLife> it is built-in, but still...
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04:54 <CoderForLife> morning cw
04:55 <quail> damn
04:55 <c0dewarrior> g'day CFL
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05:16 <CoderForLife> bbiab
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05:54 <CoderForLife> b
05:56 <quail> wb
05:56 <CoderForLife> thx
05:57 <quail> :-)
06:04 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
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06:04 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 52.8°F / 11.6°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.08in / 984.6hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of showers. Highs in the upper 70s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph late this morning and afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 50s. Light south winds. Gusts up to 20 mph in (1 more message)
06:04 <CoderForLife> &more
06:04 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the evening.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Unseasonably warm with highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;
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06:06 <c0dewarrior> you guys having tornado/cyclone fun?
06:06 <CoderForLife> every once and awhile
06:07 <CoderForLife> more so in the spring
06:07 <CoderForLife> we're lucky to get any kind of storm this summer
06:08 <c0dewarrior> grin
06:08 <CoderForLife> we had one about 10 years ago go through about 5 miles from me
06:09 <c0dewarrior> nasty
06:09 <CoderForLife> yup
06:10 <CoderForLife> 4 people killed, iirc
06:10 <CoderForLife> 2 truck drivers who happened to be in the path, and an elderly couple ripped out of their bed
06:12 <c0dewarrior> jikes. Here, the elderly are pretty much executed on a daily basis for a couple of bucks.... sad when mother nature takes less lives than humans
06:12 <CoderForLife> on that happy note... off to w@#% - cya later
06:12 <c0dewarrior> hehehe, adieu
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08:19 <c0dewarrior> boinc.berkeley still down for you all?
08:21 <desti_T2> yes
08:21 <c0dewarrior> bugger
08:21 <c0dewarrior> must be serious
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09:35 <c0dewarrior> any berkeley compadres here who can comment on wth is happening with boinc.berkeley?!
10:05 <hawmps> getting com comp errors with einstein - anyone else seeing this?
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10:20 <ELGono> einstein with no probs here
10:21 <ELGono> 8.1k credits yesterday hehe
10:34 <hawmps> blew up 4 this morning - not sure why other than one had an MD5 error
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11:55 * freelarry humm lava soap wont due for Romulus use of bad word - finds 10 grit emery cloth to use on him for his 1:49 remark
11:56 <hawmps> eh?
11:56 <c0dewarrior> eheh?
11:56 <hawmps> romy being bad?
11:56 <freelarry> he parroted w/*-
11:56 <hawmps> lol
11:57 <freelarry> PovAddict dcf >1 gives much longer time to completion than dcf<1 for sudoko
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12:44 <PovAddict> freelarry: I never remember if dcf multiplies or divides the damn thing
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13:22 <freelarry> neither can i PovAddict
13:23 * freelarry not sure which hurts more - the initial injury or the trips to the doc to help get fixed up
13:23 <PovAddict> ah the eternal question...
13:24 <freelarry> especially for chronic injury
13:24 * PovAddict wonders if it was a good idea to wake up today
13:24 <freelarry> is it ever?
13:25 <PovAddict> wow talk about inefficient programs
13:25 <PovAddict> Skype has used 11 minutes of CPU time
13:25 <freelarry> which one
13:25 <PovAddict> just being idle in the tray
13:25 <PovAddict> for a day or two
13:25 <freelarry> ah all the checking of thier servers for incoming
13:26 <PovAddict> it MUST be inefficient to use so much
13:26 * freelarry kind of like the kids waiting for a call from thier friends
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13:26 <PovAddict> Pidgin has been sending and receiving stuff from three IRC servers, MSN server, and Yahoo server, and redrawing windows and all that
13:26 <PovAddict> yet it used 3 minutes
13:27 <PovAddict> while skype has been just idle in tray, I haven't made any call, and it used 11 minutes cpu time
13:27 <PovAddict> it's also an IMPRESSIVE memory hog
13:28 <freelarry> yes i noticed - mostly leave it off and only bring it up when i want to call someone
13:28 <PovAddict> even azureus has been seeding torrents for 21 hours, and some peers probably used *protocol encryption*
13:28 <PovAddict> 4 minutes CPU time
13:28 <PovAddict> and it's Java - yet more overhead
13:28 <PovAddict> conclusion: Skype developers don't give a sh*t about performance
13:28 <freelarry> lol
13:28 <PovAddict> woo BOINC website is back
13:29 <yoyo[RKN]> yeah
13:29 * freelarry wonders when PovAddict moving company going to show up at door to meove this room downstairs
13:29 <freelarry> move
13:29 <PovAddict> some things still need kicking
13:29 <PovAddict> like mysql server
13:29 <PovAddict> (boinc dev forums down)
13:30 * freelarry sees PovAddict leg growing longer and foot getting to size 158
13:30 <PovAddict> o_o
13:30 <freelarry> better kicking from where your at ;)
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13:47 <freelarry> guess the estimated time way off for sudoko have a few units way over 12 hrs now and still stuck at 1.92 - reading and writing so will let continue for now
13:47 <PovAddict> have you finished aat least a single new wu already?
13:48 <freelarry> nope longest running one is close to 18hrs so far
13:48 <PovAddict> you may want to post on forums...
13:49 <freelarry> was watching the threads - seeing a few others with same problems already posting
13:49 <freelarry> humm looks like molehill stuck with a stuck ufluid unit and a new sudoko unit
13:50 <freelarry> aborted both of them
13:51 <PovAddict> well I'm doing a few fresh simap ones now
13:53 <freelarry> take a look at this result pov http://dist2.ist.tugraz.at/sudoku/result.php?resultid=312152
13:53 <freelarry> molehills sudoko - new unit that i aborted
13:53 <freelarry> ran for over 16 hrs
13:55 <freelarry> and a ufluid that was over 51 hrs - stuck at <1% http://www.ufluids.net/result.php?resultid=11099043
13:56 <PovAddict> I aborted most of my uFluids ones, had same problem
13:56 <PovAddict> excessive run times
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14:17 <c0dewarrior> PovAddict: As for skype, it consumes even more here on linux :-(
14:17 <PovAddict> ugh
14:17 <PovAddict> Software Bloat
14:18 <c0dewarrior> restarted it around 2 hours ago, already used 24h49 of cpu time
14:18 <PovAddict> how can it use 24 hours of CPU time in 2 hours?
14:18 <PovAddict> HOW MANY CORES DO YOU HAVE
14:18 <c0dewarrior> my bad
14:18 <c0dewarrior> 24m49
14:18 <PovAddict> :P
14:18 <c0dewarrior> ;-)
14:19 <c0dewarrior> certifiably bloatware
14:31 <PovAddict> omg
14:31 <PovAddict> loud thunder
14:40 <c0dewarrior> good, means more nitrates for the soil
14:41 * freelarry knew he should have did the electrical work before laying the flooring
14:41 <freelarry> wifes already dumping a lot of stuff into room and blocking where is still have work to do
14:42 <PovAddict> that's wives for ya
14:43 <freelarry> you'll find out in your own time PovAddict
14:43 <PovAddict> /o\
14:43 <freelarry> lol you still have time as your still to young
14:45 <freelarry> now i've got to find some screws to finish putting that corner desk back together that the boys no longer want
14:46 <freelarry> so far have 3 corner desks and an old steel cubicle desk to figure out how to arrange in that room
14:46 <Romulus> is not so long ago either but i got the script is running fast and as custom extras (even if official, they could figure a way that you'd burn to a cloud greenhouse gas emissions on Mars is too, but I couldn't find anything. Couldn't so back to playing your game, Romulus
14:47 <freelarry> exactly Romulus
14:48 <PovAddict> upgrade time
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14:49 <c0dewarrior> wives++ && money--
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14:49 <PovAddict> that was fast
14:50 <freelarry> too true c0dewarrior
14:50 <PovAddict> what did i miss
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14:50 <c0dewarrior> just an expression
14:50 <freelarry> wives++ && money--
14:50 <c0dewarrior> :-p
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15:36 <c0dewarrior> yay http errors on seti@home during upload of results
15:36 <c0dewarrior> great week for failures I'd say
15:37 <Romulus> I checked - it really has enough money to spend?
15:37 <c0dewarrior> spot on Romulus
15:43 <freelarry> humm guess sudoko's are all going to run to 20 hrs before completing
15:44 <freelarry> only problem i see with that is with progress bar not moving boinc doesn't allow switching between projects
15:45 <c0dewarrior> better than the ~400 hour climate prediction runs :-p
15:45 <freelarry> lol got a few pushing 3000 hours and still not done
15:45 <c0dewarrior> jeepers
15:46 <c0dewarrior> and worst is (drumroll)... it doesn't run on linux 64
15:46 <c0dewarrior> at least not out of the box
15:46 <freelarry> nope but 32 bit version does
15:47 <c0dewarrior> sure, but it seems few actually know how to (or care to) send 32-bit binaries to a 64-bit host, assuming linux32 is there n all
15:48 <freelarry> and better than the ufluid that get stuck and dont release that just run until you notice them
15:48 <c0dewarrior> so far, only rosetta and seti runs properly, nothing else
15:48 <c0dewarrior> (and rosetta randomly freezes, so that leaves seti)
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15:48 <freelarry> have the 32 bit ubantu on the nix machine so boinc is 32 bit
15:49 <freelarry> i think a cele can run 64 bit but haven't upgraded
15:49 <c0dewarrior> sigh, and at times like now, when seti's buggered, one machine's sitting idle
15:49 <freelarry> lol yeah understand the feeling
15:51 <c0dewarrior> interesting sensation, the frustration of having a machine not helping to solve some problem
15:51 <c0dewarrior> and knowing that it's human error
15:51 <freelarry> idle cpu's the devils playground ;)
15:51 <c0dewarrior> I could of course pay someone to play bioshock on it until seti starts up again
15:52 <c0dewarrior> :-p
15:52 <freelarry> lol oblivion here
15:52 <freelarry> that is assuming the back allows me to sit still long enough
15:52 <c0dewarrior> what's wrong with the back
15:53 <freelarry> wwell time to run to hardware store to buy som scres to put that desk together solid enough to move around
15:53 <freelarry> bad disks
15:53 <c0dewarrior> eina
15:53 <c0dewarrior> ouch
15:53 <c0dewarrior> SETI@home|Reason: no work from project
15:53 <c0dewarrior> ^^ goes for both you and seti
15:54 <freelarry> lol yeah
15:54 <freelarry> bbl
15:54 <freelarry> &bye
15:54 <Romulus> later ace
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15:55 <xcamel> re-hi
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15:59 <c0dewarrior> howdy xcamel
16:00 <xcamel> 'lo CW - getting the svn now...
16:00 <xcamel> we'll see if the xwx from source helped...
16:01 <c0dewarrior> kewl, so they're back online
16:01 <xcamel> re wxw even
16:01 <xcamel> that box is anyway....
16:02 <c0dewarrior> k, will have a look, update seems to be running at last
16:05 <xcamel> any thoughts on running ./_autosetup ??
16:06 <PovAddict> got any error?
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16:06 <xcamel> >> sched/Makefile.am:163: compiling `md5.c' with per-target flags requires `AM_PROG_CC_C_O' in `configure.ac'
16:06 <PovAddict> c0dewarrior: came back a few hrs ago
16:06 <c0dewarrior> not yet, need to have a look at what's in there first
16:06 <xcamel> not shown as an error per se...
16:06 <PovAddict> xcamel: seems like just a stupid warning, ignore it and go on with configure
16:07 <xcamel> thought so.
16:07 <PovAddict> btw they are preparing to release 5.10.21
16:07 <c0dewarrior> ooooh
16:08 <xcamel> >> ./configure --with-x --disable-server --disable-unicode
16:08 <xcamel> anything I'm missing?
16:08 <PovAddict> seems fine
16:08 <xcamel> this is .21 btw.
16:08 <xcamel> dammit.
16:09 <PovAddict> is there some switch to tell it where to search for wx?
16:09 <xcamel> checking for unicode wx-libs ...
16:09 <xcamel> checking for wx-config... /usr/local/bin/wx-config
16:09 <xcamel> checking for wxWidgets version >= 2.6.0... no
16:09 <PovAddict> well seems it found wx-config
16:09 <c0dewarrior> do they have a --with-wxwidgets= flag?
16:10 <xcamel> it dies on the "correct version" > 2.6.0
16:10 <xcamel> mine is 2.8.4
16:10 <xcamel> all the libs are correct..
16:11 <PovAddict> how did you config wxwidgets?
16:12 <c0dewarrior> xcamel: I wouldn't trust svn right now
16:13 <c0dewarrior> getting random failures during update, which in general means our favourite friend... "corruption"
16:14 <xcamel> for static this time..
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16:15 <xcamel> what a pest..
16:16 <c0dewarrior> trying one last checkout.... lets hope I'm wrong
16:17 <c0dewarrior> aaayeee
16:17 <xcamel> added --with-wxdir=/usr/local/lib/wx to no avail
16:17 <c0dewarrior> A 5_10/clientgui/res/skins/default/graphic/close_button.xpm
16:17 <c0dewarrior> svn: Decompression of svndiff data failed
16:18 <xcamel> might be a bad line to ZA
16:18 <c0dewarrior> ehrm, no, coming down quick and hard
16:18 <xcamel> yt just won't find the version and move on...
16:18 <xcamel> it, even.
16:20 <c0dewarrior> nope, looks like it's their side, no tcp level corruption, and this machine's pristine. Will try it on another either way
16:21 <xcamel> I was talking about the stupid wx stuff.
16:21 <xcamel> brb
16:22 <Romulus> FreeLarry still suffers the afteraffects of the "virtual CPUs" the HyperThreading gives)
16:22 <c0dewarrior> xcamel: ok, talking out loud this side anyhows
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16:24 <c0dewarrior> k, I think whoever manages boinc.berkeley.edu wants to check the machine...still getting svn stream corruption
16:25 <PovAddict> are you doing fresh checkouts or svn update?
16:25 <c0dewarrior> tried both
16:25 <c0dewarrior> on two different machines
16:25 <c0dewarrior> both pristine
16:26 <c0dewarrior> one running ubuntu and the other debian stable (just to factor out update maddness)
16:26 <c0dewarrior> just for the heck I'll try it on windows as well..
16:27 <CoderForLife> home - bb after dinner
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16:38 <c0dewarrior> and still busy... might have been a temporary madness on a transparent proxy
16:40 <xcamel> ok.. back
16:41 <xcamel> now...pov... what did you mean by "how did you config wx" just so I'm sure what you meant..
16:41 <PovAddict> what flags did you pass to ./configure when you built wxwidgets
16:42 <xcamel> standard flags, with -j2, and disable-shared.
16:44 <xcamel> afa boinc goes... it's a dumb error/warning anyway - if it finds wx-config, it should test it for version and move on..
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16:47 <c0dewarrior> grief, checkout failing still
16:47 <c0dewarrior> grrr
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17:03 <xcamel> the code to detect the version is just plain wrong.
17:05 <xcamel> think I found the problem...
17:05 <xcamel> 'Default config is gtk2-ansi-release-static-2.8'
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17:05 <xcamel> wx-config --version == 2.8.5
17:10 <PovAddict> it seems to be checking for exactly version 2.6.0
17:10 <PovAddict> hmm no wait..
17:10 <MTughan> 2.8.0?
17:11 <PovAddict> AM_PATH_WXCONFIG([2.6.0], [wxWin=1], [wxWin=0], --static=yes --unicode=yes --debug=yes)
17:11 <PovAddict> but I don't know if AM_PATH_WXCONFIG would do = or >=
17:12 <MTughan> If it's smart, >=.
17:12 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2007 October 1- The Small Cloud of Magellan (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)
17:13 <xcamel> 2.8.5 actually
17:14 <MTughan> Nice pic...
17:14 <xcamel> indeed..
17:14 <MTughan> I anticipated that...
17:15 <MTughan> Wait... I may know what causes that.
17:16 <xcamel> precognition?
17:17 <MTughan> Darn, I thought I might've know why Romulus fails to pick that up sometimes.
17:17 <PovAddict> I think it's kinda random
17:17 <PovAddict> sometimes he gives the tiny url, sometimes he gives title
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17:18 <MTughan> Well, there were a few pages that had Doctypes and <html lang="en"> and thought those might be it. But I just found one that has both and title works.
17:18 <xcamel> nee-fix-for-damned-linux-build----------
17:20 <xcamel> one little success... finding gl/glu/glut now
17:20 <PovAddict> got it fixed?
17:20 <xcamel> not wxw
17:20 <MTughan> You could always try fink. I think it's cross-platform.
17:21 <MTughan> And installs all prerequisites.
17:21 <xcamel> speak english man...
17:21 <PovAddict> MTughan: do they have BOINC 5.10.20 for linux?
17:21 <MTughan> Let me get to the Google search, and I can find out...
17:21 <PovAddict> it would surprise me if fink has it and BOINC official site doesn't
17:22 <MTughan> Nope.
17:22 <MTughan> BOINC's up.
17:23 <PovAddict> last boinc build available for linux is 5.10.8, really lagging behind
17:23 <PovAddict> .20 is available for win and mac, and 5.10.21 will probably be released soon
17:23 <MTughan> Oops... I'm still emulating my user agent. BOINC just suggested 5.10.20 for Windows for me. ^^
17:24 <MTughan> What do the new builds bring? Any new features? Cause 5.10.8 may still be up to date for Linux.
17:24 <PovAddict> bugfixes for sure
17:26 <PovAddict> xcamel: do you actually have a /usr/local/bin/wx-config ?
17:27 <MTughan> Is there a way to get HTTP headers without downloading the content from telnet, curl, whatever?
17:28 <PovAddict> curl -I
17:28 <MTughan> I made the mistake of using raw telnet.
17:28 <PovAddict> or if doing it manually with telnet, use HEAD instead of GET (that's what curl -I does)
17:28 <MTughan> Okay, that I can remember more.
17:29 <MTughan> Much better, thanks.
17:29 <PovAddict> xcamel: try running this: /usr/local/bin/wx-config --static=yes --unicode=no --debug=no --version
17:29 <MTughan> Apparently, there are mirrors chosen at random, but I don't know where on them the files are.
17:29 <MTughan> " Note: files are downloaded from mirror servers at boinc.berkeley.edu, morel.mit.edu, einstein.aei.mpg.de, einstein.astro.gla.ac.uk, einstein.ligo.caltech.edu, and einstein.aset.psu.edu (thanks to these institutions). The server is chosen randomly - if a download fails, reload this page and try again."
17:30 <PovAddict> I think the script was recently changed not to use those mirrors
17:30 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
17:30 <PovAddict> (DON'T get 6.1)
17:31 <MTughan> 6.1 is still being worked on? Pre-alpha still?
17:32 <PovAddict> that 6.1.0 installer is for project admins to test applications using the new screensaver graphics system
17:32 <PovAddict> but I have seen *lots* of changes in svn since that
17:32 <PovAddict> installer on windows now splits data and executables the way Vista likes it
17:33 <PovAddict> and creates a user account for boinc to run in - better security too
17:46 <xcamel> pov.. then what?
17:46 <PovAddict> did it print anything?
17:46 <PovAddict> that's apparently what the configure script is running to check wxwidgets version
17:47 <xcamel> 2.8.5
17:47 <xcamel> wonder if it's a taxt vs numeric thing
17:48 <MTughan> Anyone know what python-devel is?
17:48 <PovAddict> sounds like a package name
17:48 <xcamel> a snake in an egg
17:48 <PovAddict> is it in fink?
17:48 <MTughan> PyMedia.
17:48 <xcamel> yup - a pkg
17:49 <PovAddict> I mean, does fink have a package called 'python-devel'?
17:49 <xcamel> bbiab - out for a walk
17:49 <MTughan> Just checked. No.
17:50 <MTughan> Neither does MacPorts.
17:51 <Romulus> Title: PyMedia - Python module for avi, mp3, dvd, wma, ogg processing - pymedia_tut (at pymedia.org)
17:51 <MTughan> Linux x86, cygwin, Windows.
17:57 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Unnamed - post number 722289 (at www.pastebin.ca)
17:57 <MTughan> python links to python2.4, and python2.3 still doesn't work.
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18:12 <PovAddict> "If your parents never had children, chances are you won't either."
18:12 <MTughan> lol
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18:15 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Weird Al Yankovic - Weasel Stomping Day (at www.youtube.com)
18:19 <xcamel> back again..
18:32 * freelarry lurking about - finally got all the screws bought and installed on that old desk - now if the wife will just let the room be until i can do the power mods
18:32 <Romulus> got food fixting to do the 3d pics of the other way to limit it down boinc's throat on 7.04
18:33 <freelarry> still have 2 desks here that i have to move down and shes still wanting to stuff more c/*- into the room -- where will the computers go?
18:33 <PovAddict> hurry up and fill the room with your own junk so she doesn't have space left
18:33 <PovAddict> then take your junk away again before moving computers
18:34 <freelarry> no good - my junk needs the power i have to install
18:34 <freelarry> and computers are sitting on some of the junk
18:35 <freelarry> besides have to arrange for isp to reroute modem tap
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18:53 <xcamel> 'lo Doug
18:53 <wdsmia> *lo Jay
18:53 <CoderForLife> hey Doug
18:53 <wdsmia> *lo Don
18:53 <CoderForLife> bonsoir benje
18:54 <PovAddict> omg that was a loud thunder again
18:54 * CoderForLife wants thunder
18:54 <benje> hello CoderForLife xcamel wdsmia PovAddict and all else
18:54 <CoderForLife> how is everything in Nice?
18:55 <CoderForLife> and comment allez vous?
18:57 <CoderForLife> due to MTughan I had to do a Weird Al 3-play
18:57 <MTughan> Hey, it's a good video.
18:58 <CoderForLife> Weasel, Amish Paradise and Yoda
18:58 <MTughan> Yoda?
18:59 <PovAddict> xcamel: if you have the time and patience to do yet more tests... you could try building wx 2.6.0
19:02 <xcamel> almost a darwin award >> Man Burns House While Trying To Kill Yellow Jackets
19:02 <MTughan> lol
19:02 <Romulus> Title: Man Burns House While Trying To Kill Yellow Jackets - News Story - WXII Winston-Salem (at www.wxii12.com)
19:03 <MTughan> Oh... Page blocked by my firewall.
19:03 <xcamel> shoot the firewall
19:03 <MTughan> I wish.
19:04 <benje> ca vas tres bien merci, i'm just tired hard day i will go to sleep
19:07 <CoderForLife> bonsoir
19:07 <CoderForLife> I'm off for the evening
19:08 <benje> good night
19:08 <CoderForLife> cya
19:08 <Romulus> Title: Talk about short memories--eBay's Skype experiment | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)
19:09 <MTughan> Night, BTW.
19:12 <benje> CoderForLife, i found heatsink for the processor the good form usa ;)
19:12 <Romulus> CoderForLife: yep i know wish i coud keep qmc runnning while i was looking for a minute.
19:12 <benje> so will boincccccccccompute
19:13 <benje> bye;)
19:24 <xcamel> well.. checking out compiz-fusion desktop
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19:38 <xcamel> interesting - the best of beryl, and more.
19:41 <PovAddict> tried expo?
19:41 <PovAddict> oh, there's a coverflow-like window switcher too
19:41 <xcamel> not yet
19:41 <xcamel> this has a reflective cube
19:41 <PovAddict> yeah
19:41 <PovAddict> move mouse to top left corner of screen
19:58 <Soul_keeper> "the dictatorship of the majority, now a reality, is our greatest threat to the concept of equal rights" --ron paul
20:01 <xcamel> yeah, I know. been using beryl for a while...
20:07 <xcamel> kinda cool
20:16 <wdsmia> Damn.. you would think Id learn not to put joke bids in at computer auctions
20:16 <PovAddict> you won the bid?
20:17 <xcamel> lol - or not.
20:18 <wdsmia> yep just what i need another darn putter
20:18 <wdsmia> maybe ill use it for spare parts
20:19 <xcamel> a farm grows in iowa...
20:19 <xcamel> ...sounds redundant...
20:19 <wdsmia> lol
20:20 <wdsmia> power company cracks open a bottle of champane
20:23 <xcamel> mine is already dead drunk
20:26 <wdsmia> who would think a ....Pentium D Processor
20:26 <wdsmia> Processor Number: 930 with Viiv Technology
20:26 <wdsmia> Processor Speed: 3.0 GHz
20:26 <wdsmia> Bus Speed: 800 MHz
20:26 <wdsmia> L2 Cache Size: 2 x 2 MB
20:26 <wdsmia> System Chipset: Intel 945P Express Chipset
20:26 <wdsmia> Memory Speed: PC2-4200 (533MHz)
20:26 <wdsmia> Memory Technology: DDR2-SDRAM
20:26 <wdsmia> Installed Memory: 2 GB
20:26 <wdsmia> would go for $455
20:29 <wdsmia> a bit old but still should be a good cruncher
20:38 <xcamel> good little boinc/linux/no graphics box
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20:41 <wdsmia> &ping
20:41 <Romulus> pong
20:41 <xcamel> &ding
20:41 <Romulus> DONG!
20:43 <wdsmia> maybe I'll set it up duel boot with Red Hat
20:43 <MTughan> Hey, ChanServ split on that last netsplit.
20:44 <xcamel> oopsie..
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21:07 <CoderForLife> that's good, benje
21:07 <CoderForLife> Zzzzzz
21:20 <xcamel> got mighty quiet..
21:21 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
21:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 65°F / 18°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the mid 50s. South wind near 10 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then cloudy with showers and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. High in the lower 70s. South wind (1 more message)
21:21 <wdsmia> &more
21:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: 10 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy early in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. Low in the upper 40s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;
21:22 <xcamel> 'bout the same here...
21:22 <wdsmia> looks like the dog gets to stay in tomarrow
21:22 <xcamel> 66F
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21:23 <xcamel> except no rain for the rest of the week
21:23 <Romulus> oh yea i got those wiki links bookmarked for formulas to calculate the flow of a large field, bushhog the edges of 4 candidates, I am on top of a rat. It has worked the first time bought the 350w ps on sale for 35ish a box, down from darwin (/sarc)
21:24 <wdsmia> Romulus is losing it
21:25 <PovAddict> can you lose something you never had?
21:25 <wdsmia> very true
21:25 <xcamel> that was a mighty long markov..
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21:31 <xcamel> 'lo there brit-boy
21:32 <PovAddict> oh noes it's seth /o\
21:32 <xcamel> pov - yes - your mind.
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21:50 * xcamel yawns
21:55 <xcamel> well.. off with me.
21:55 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.
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