IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2007-10-02

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01:55 <freelarry> well moved one machine down to see if cat5 cable still good

01:57 <efc> I need another desk to stick computers on

01:57 <freelarry> lol gots to many desk here need shelves

02:00 <efc> piano keyboard fills up side, junk on the other

02:01 <freelarry> by time i move downstairs - will have 4 desks in room -- 3 corner type and one cubical type

02:01 <freelarry> need power strip on wall for outlet -- 6 foot should be good

02:01 <freelarry> that gives 12 recepticles

02:02 <freelarry> 2 foot wide shelving unit with 32" between shelves should hold all machnes

02:07 <efc> i like the corner desks. can hardly find them anymore

02:07 <freelarry> just reassembled one that the boy left here in the closet

02:08 <freelarry> 2 more in this room

02:08 <efc> wonder if someday antique partical board furniture will sell for $20,000 on antique road show

02:08 <efc> "Ah yes a piece from the middle wal mart period"

02:08 <freelarry> lol yup and a few other places

02:09 <efc> mine's an office depot or staples,can't remember, from 2000

02:10 <freelarry> gave my 5th desk to brotherinlaw - it was from staples - nice but to large for me after the boy got these 2 for up here

02:11 * freelarry guesses he should try and move his printer downstairs and make it look like he's doing something

02:11 <freelarry> &nn all

02:11 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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02:39 <efc> kinda interesting, this guy is cutting record grooves into CD-R blanks hehe

02:41 <freelarry> sounds fun

02:42 <freelarry> just install 5.10.21 on this machine - like the new graphs

02:43 <efc> mmm i'll try it someday..

02:43 <freelarry> still on the dev side only .20 stable

02:44 <freelarry> not sure what accessible view is - using grid view myself

02:44 <freelarry> but accessible does show on screen too

02:54 <efc> wow.. Claque (French for "clapping") is, in its origin, a term which refers to an organized body of professional applauders in French theatres and opera houses.

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03:00 <efc> were 45s supposed to sound better than 33's ?

03:00 <freelarry> it really depended upon the player

03:02 <efc> you'd assume that the higher RPM would give a better frequency response or something

03:02 <efc> otherwise why not just have them play at 33 too

03:03 <freelarry> lol well 45's were about 6" diameter and 33's were around 10" diameter so depending upon where you were on disk would determine speed

03:04 <freelarry> the play back needle sensitivity and electrical amplification of player meant a lot more

03:05 <efc> There's no reason you can't make a small 33 if you want it to play shorter

03:05 <freelarry> nope and there were some put out as singles

03:05 <freelarry> and freebies attached to cerial boxes also

03:05 <Romulus> guess that would have bought it online i woulda went abit

03:05 <efc> I wonder if I need to find my favorite songs on 45s if I really want the best hehe

03:06 <efc> I remember the McDonald's song that came inthe newspaper

03:06 <freelarry> yeah the originally floppies

03:06 <efc> from wiki: "The 45 rpm discs typically emulated the playing time of the former 78 rpm discs"

03:06 <efc> i guess it just worked out that way

03:06 <freelarry> which were humongous

03:07 <efc> our old big giant stereo that we left 20 years ago had a 16 RPM setting on it, never saw one of those discs though

03:11 <efc> those old mediums are cool

03:11 <efc> you can do funny things like have two start points or a hidden song in the middle

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03:25 <freelarry> yup and even get something different when played backwards too

03:25 <freelarry> my word just moving that one machine downstairs already cooling this room off

03:25 * freelarry it had 3 scsi drives in it

03:28 <efc> listening to some tapes of band from '95.. what a lousy recording system

03:28 <efc> about 1935 level quality

03:28 <freelarry> try the 8 track continual loop ones

03:28 <freelarry> or are you talking reel to reel?

03:29 <freelarry> cassettes were always just mass production throw aways

03:29 <efc> this is a cassette

03:29 <efc> unfortunately the master probably is too

03:30 <freelarry> yup

03:30 <efc> its a dub too

03:30 <efc> still, the system in that hall sucks

03:30 <freelarry> ugg really low quality then

03:30 <efc> these are from the same hall.

03:30 <Romulus> Title: GHP 2007 Music Majors' Concert Recordings Archive (at

03:30 <freelarry> metal cassette tape was good

03:31 <Romulus> I have limited control over your dsl uplink

03:32 <efc> I have some cassettes from much better halls with much better setup and they sound great

03:32 <freelarry> trying the prelude - rachmaninoff but only have med. speed connection

03:33 <efc> I really hope the masters are on DAT but not holding fingers

03:34 <freelarry> this one doesn't sound bad to me but then my ears are pretty well shot anyway

03:34 <efc> seem to be mono or bad stereo

03:34 <efc> its a very tubby sounding hall

03:35 <freelarry> lol normal life for me - only hear mid tones on left - high and lows mostly  on right

03:36 <freelarry> right side seems a lot weaker tho thru out play and applause

03:36 <freelarry> could be mike positioning also

03:36 <freelarry> but balancer not set right for the setup

03:37 <efc> yeah its probably just hung at the top somewhere

03:37 <efc> compare that to  (different hall, done professionsally, copied off cassette tape)

03:37 <Romulus> <> (at

03:38 <freelarry> humm got a do i want to save file

03:38 <efc> oh, its ogg vorbis..

03:39 <efc> winamp can play it, windows media probably can't

03:39 <freelarry> probably wont play on windows media then

03:39 <freelarry> media is what i have

03:39 <efc> should have done it as mp3 for the masses

03:39 <efc> well anyway.. sounds great :p

03:40 * freelarry cant wait to build his next machine - F7 will be the OS

03:40 <freelarry> noticed that can get a lot more played on firefox on ubantu and not so much hassel getting the codecs

03:42 <efc> I have no idea why windows media can't get the ogg codecs

03:42 <freelarry> drm probably

03:42 <freelarry> or they just to lazy

03:42 <efc> or they don't want to encourage FOSS

03:43 <freelarry> that too

03:43 <efc> I like ogg a bit better, seems to do a notch better than mp3 at the same bitrate

03:43 <efc> I usually encode in Ogg 6 (~192 kbps nominal)

03:44 <freelarry> haven't really tried any encoding of video or audio - always came out bad when others listened

03:44 <freelarry> or viewed

03:45 <freelarry> well bed time now - have a great night

03:45 <freelarry> &nn all

03:45 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

03:47 <efc> Nigh

04:18 <CoderForLife> morning

04:24 <efc> ugh

04:33 <CoderForLife> ick

04:33 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

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04:55 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:06 <CoderForLife> (b)

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05:48 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

06:27 <hawmps> 'lo

06:27 <MTughan> And off to school in a few minutes too.

06:29 <hawmps> toodles...

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10:58 <PovAddict> xcamel: 5.10.21 available for linux

10:58 <PovAddict>

10:58 <Romulus> <> (at

10:59 <Romulus> Use JS and AJAX if you meant Anarchy, FL

10:59 <PovAddict> shush bot

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11:13 <hawmps> cool

11:14 <Lorvija> hey does anyone have water cooled pc here? (:

11:18 <hawmps> and it works too...

11:19 <Lorvija> =)

11:20 <Lorvija> been thinking of changing my server to warer cooled... to make it inaudible even @ night..

11:20 <Lorvija> water*

11:20 <Lorvija> would be nice to know how much water cooled pc needs maintenance..

11:43 <ELGono> if you do it right, nearly no need to look after

11:43 <ELGono> no problems at all since 3,5years 24/7

11:44 <freelarry> humm wouldn't expect any more or less maintenance than needed currently Lorvija - except to check fluid level occasionally

11:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: somebody told me PHP 6 will have to have a look at what LINPACK does? i think people here are the auditors on the remaining RAID 1 drive in an odd error

11:46 <Lorvija> freelarry: ye... meant about that fluid level thing mainly (: also any idea how often pumps fail..?

11:47 <Lorvija> thought about building combined multimedia center/boinc cruncher with water cooling.. (:

11:47 <ELGono> mine is outdoor on the balkony and works since 3,5years without any problems

11:47 <Lorvija> ELGono: where u live? :P

11:47 <ELGono> and we had -18C up to +43C on there

11:47 <ELGono> germany

11:48 <Lorvija> heh okay

11:48 <Lorvija> we got -35 easily here :E

11:48 <ELGono> hehe

11:48 <Lorvija> definately would need something extra in the water so it wouldnt freeze :P

11:48 <ELGono> yep i have too

11:49 <freelarry> yes antifreeze - haven't tried fluid cooling

11:49 <Lorvija> been thinking of building passive cooler for the water itself.. how do u cool ur liquid?

11:50 <freelarry> did see a pumpless watercooler at pcclub - kind of like a large heatpipe assembly with radiator outside of case

11:50 <Lorvija> freelarry: did it work fine? and did it only have cpu block?

11:51 <freelarry> they say it does but i wouldn't think about it at 150usd

11:51 <freelarry> supposidly has adapters to add chipset

11:52 <freelarry> they also had pump based models with smaller radiators that had cpu chipset and hd kits that could go in

11:52 <Lorvija> okay.. that could work though... would be fun to have completely noiseless pc

11:52 <freelarry> still to high of price for me

11:52 * freelarry is currently in project of fixing basement room up for all his machines

11:53 <Lorvija> i kinda hate everything that has moving parts..

11:53 <Lorvija> lieke pumps :E

11:53 <freelarry> room here is much quieter and cooler since i moved the scsi machine to basement

11:53 <Lorvija> could be fun to make double walled case which has water between... so kinda huge radiator..

11:54 <freelarry> lol they have a case already out there - don't remember the link as saw it over a year ago

11:54 <Lorvija> :D

11:54 <freelarry> try google search for silent computer cases

11:54 <freelarry> fanless

11:55 * freelarry gets pillow ready for when Lorvija sees price

11:55 <Lorvija> freelarry: been thinking about lian li case... about 300e (

11:55 <Lorvija> (:

11:55 <Romulus> it is alpha - my seti/einstein are within 600 points of each hour

11:58 <Lorvija>

11:58 <Romulus> Title: Review: Lian Li PC-S80 PC case (at

11:58 <Lorvija> that one

11:59 <Lorvija> that one plus nice fanless water cooled kit and silent psu.. should make the computer quiet..

12:04 <freelarry> humm doubt that one for case - depends to much on air flow for component cooling

12:05 <Lorvija> hmm well i'm gonna water cool everything anyways.. (:

12:05 <Lorvija> hd, cpu, gpu for starters..

12:05 <Lorvija> and nb too

12:05 <Lorvija> psu should provide enough air flow

12:07 <freelarry>

12:07 <Romulus> <> (at

12:07 <Lorvija> yea, something like that (:

12:08 <freelarry>

12:08 <Romulus> <> (at

12:11 <freelarry> might offer better research area

12:11 <Romulus> Title: Quiet computer PC and silent computer parts for loud computer noise (at

12:11 <Lorvija> freelarry: yep. there's dozens of those sites (:

12:12 <Lorvija> anyways.. the pc i'm going to start building will need active cooling.. and active air cooling = noise... water cooling should be completely silent

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12:16 <freelarry> lastlink has some good products it looks like -- but seem fairly high in price

12:16 <freelarry> think a little more research could result in lower prices for parts

12:16 * freelarry or as ideas for what to use for local cobbling of hobbist with local parts

12:19 <Lorvija> freelarry: well if i get peace and quietness i pay about it... (: i've learned to value it..

12:21 <PovAddict> hawmps: how's your benchmarks on .21 linux?

12:22 <freelarry> Lorvija can understand that

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12:47 <Soul_keeper> why isn't there a link to the boinc download directory for the latest versions in the chan topic ?

12:49 <PovAddict> because actually you aren't supposed to get it directly from the download directory

12:49 <Soul_keeper>          there is no link from here, where is the ftp server or whatever ?

12:49 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at

12:49 <PovAddict> that's how idiots kept downloading 6.1.0 and complaining it didn't work

12:49 <Soul_keeper> ok ic where it is now

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12:52 <Roge> is there a windows client i can use to manage boinc running on a linux machine ?

12:52 <hawmps> BAM would do it...

12:52 <hawmps> if you trust it...

12:53 <Roge> spyware ?

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12:53 <Soul_keeper> it's a webinterface essentially

12:53 <Soul_keeper> i don't use it

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12:53 <hawmps> it's at

12:53 <Roge> k

12:54 <Soul_keeper> i just use it's stats feature

12:54 <hawmps> I do not recommend it.

12:54 <Soul_keeper> once you install boinc on the linux and windows box you can remotely login to each other via the boinc client and monitor/controll any machine

12:55 <Roge> ahh ok

12:55 <Roge> that works

12:55 <PovAddict> hawmps: how's your benchmarks on .21 linux?

12:55 <Soul_keeper> i havn't tryed any of the recent releases of boinc yet,  is 5.10.21 stable ?

12:56 <Soul_keeper> i'm still on 5.10.0

12:56 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: 5.10.21 was released an hour ago, if you want a really stable one, I suggest you wait for other people to test it more

12:56 <PovAddict> linux?

12:56 <Soul_keeper> haha cool

12:57 <PovAddict> 5.10.8 is the previous available linux one

12:57 <Soul_keeper> was 5.10.20  fully stable ?

12:57 <PovAddict> well I ran .20 for fairly long on win, two computers, no problems

12:57 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

12:57 <Soul_keeper> trying to set my friend Roge  up here

12:58 <Soul_keeper> he's never run boinc

12:58 <Roge> i installed it from the ubuntu repo

12:58 <Roge> installing the windows client atm see if it can control it

12:58 <PovAddict> whoa amazing

12:58 <Soul_keeper> i personally like just downloading the source   compiling it in   ~/BOINC   and leaving/running it from there   no make install

12:58 <PovAddict> last available on feisty is 5.4.11!

12:59 <Roge> maybe i should use the src then

12:59 <PovAddict> Roge: there's official binaries

12:59 <PovAddict> compiling from source is a total pain if you want the GUI too

13:00 <Roge> nah i dont want a gui on the machine its running o n

13:00 <Roge> the server is guiless

13:00 <Soul_keeper> there is one dep you'll need for boinc   lib curl

13:00 <Lorvija> PovAddict: hmm im on 7.10 and newest is 5.10.8

13:00 <Lorvija> (gutsy gibbon i mean)

13:00 <PovAddict> Lorvija: is 7.10 gutsy?

13:00 <Lorvija> aye (:

13:01 <PovAddict> yeah gutsy has 5.10.8

13:01 <Roge> Soul_keeper, are you saying i can use the windows boinc program to control boinc on the server ?>

13:01 <Soul_keeper> Roge,  you compile boinc and you have multiple executables   boinc_client (for command line), boinc_gui (for the graphical interface)

13:02 <PovAddict> Roge: interaction between gui and core is via TCP/IP

13:02 <Soul_keeper> Roge,  you'd just run boinc_client on the linux server   and controll it with   boinc_gui from the windows server

13:02 <Roge> ahh ok

13:02 <Roge> makes sence

13:02 <Romulus> it was going to be something like that should be 5 times fast

13:03 <Soul_keeper> via  host/password

13:03 <Soul_keeper> password goes in the   gui_rpc_auth.cfg   file i believe

13:03 <PovAddict> oh and you need remote_hosts.cfg saying what IPs are allowed to connect too

13:03 <PovAddict> otherwise will only allow localhost

13:03 <Lorvija> bb im off

13:04 <Soul_keeper> Roge,  the hardest part is getting everything setup and configured your first time,  once you do  it's childsplay

13:04 <Roge> cool

13:05 <Soul_keeper> i'm tempted to install 5.10.21  to compare benchmarks with you guys

13:05 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: yeah, on freelarry's machine .21 seemed to have shitty benchmarks

13:05 <PovAddict> that's why I was asking

13:06 <Soul_keeper> was it a binary install on his box ?

13:06 <PovAddict> yeah

13:06 <PovAddict> but .8 had higher bm's

13:08 <Roge> should i see boinc in nmap results ?'

13:08 <Roge> cause its running but i dont see it

13:08 <Roge> with nmap results

13:08 <PovAddict> should be port 31416

13:09 <Roge> ok i see it running in ps -aux results

13:09 <Roge> but its not there in a nmap scan

13:09 <Soul_keeper> ok just the binary in

13:10 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: what I want to know is if .21 official binaries had worse bm's than .8 official binaries

13:10 <Roge> boinc_client -redir is what is running

13:10 <PovAddict> Roge: try running this: nc 31416

13:10 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict,  well i'll run it on my P4 now,  but i don't like using binaries permanently

13:11 <PovAddict> fairy nuff, Soul_keeper

13:11 <Roge> no output thus far from that command PovAddict

13:12 <PovAddict> Roge: try typing something

13:12 <Roge> root@SERVER:/var/lib/boinc-client# nc 31416

13:12 <Roge> k\

13:12 <Roge> <boinc_gui_rpc_reply>

13:12 <Roge> <major_version>5</major_version>

13:12 <Roge> <minor_version>4</minor_version>

13:12 <Roge> <release>9</release>

13:12 <Roge> <error>unrecognized op</error>

13:12 <Roge> </boinc_gui_rpc_reply>

13:12 <PovAddict> yeah so BOINC *is* running

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13:12 <Roge> ok

13:13 <PovAddict> Ctrl-C to kill nc :P

13:13 <Roge> so i havent got something done right for the windows client to connect then

13:13 <PovAddict> (and it *is* listening on the network)

13:13 <Soul_keeper> 893 float  1400 int   on my P4

13:13 <Soul_keeper> SysInfo: Uname: Linux CPU: Dual Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz 3140.646 MHz Bogomips: 12563.34 Mem: 483/1012M [||||||||||] HDD: 540.80G/643.60GGB [||||||||||] Up: 13 days 14 hrs 57 mins 59 secs Load: 1.49 2.32 2.63  Procs: 103 Screen: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) NVCore: 351.000 MHz NVMem:1002.375 MHz VCORE:1.39

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13:14 <Roge> so i added my laptop ip to remote_hosts.cfg

13:14 <Roge> then i added a passwd to gui_rpc_auth.cfg

13:14 <PovAddict> I think boinc needs to be restarted for that to work - no idea how to do that if using the ubuntu package

13:16 <Roge> got it

13:16 <Roge> thx

13:17 <Soul_keeper> the benchmarks are really low

13:17 <PovAddict> compared to what?

13:17 <Soul_keeper> 1394 float  1643 int  on 5.10.0

13:17 <Soul_keeper> but that's a compiled one

13:19 <Soul_keeper> what's the  boinc cvs/svn  server ?

13:20 <PovAddict> svn co

13:20 <Romulus> <> (at

13:21 <Roge> sweet so i got worldcommunity going, looks like its downloading something based on the gui

13:22 <Soul_keeper> seti servers are down for maintenance right now, so you should probably hold of on attaching to them

13:22 <Roge> cool

13:23 <Roge> its running 99% of the cpu

13:23 <Roge> lol

13:23 <PovAddict> of course

13:24 <Roge> well not that theres much going on over there, but will it throttle itself if i start doing other things ?

13:24 <PovAddict> it's at low priority on windows, and high nice value on linux

13:24 <Roge> ok

13:32 <Roge> man i love computers

13:33 <Roge> kicked back on the bed with the laptop toying with the server

13:34 <Soul_keeper> updating my libcurl 7.17.0  is out now

13:36 <Roge> install grellmd

13:36 <Roge> gkrellm

13:36 <Roge> trying to find a windows client for it

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14:50 <c0dewarrior> ahoi all

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15:31 <Soul_keeper> i swear there used to be a female in here ...

15:36 <Roge> is seti still down ?>

15:37 <c0dewarrior> the et in seti is still up, think it's the s in seti that's down, due to the lack of i

15:38 <Roge> heh

15:39 <c0dewarrior> still having issues from what I can see

15:39 <Roge> yeah it is

15:39 <Roge> to bad

15:40 <Romulus> efc you're going to have a birthright to be that common i'd think the only two partitions?

15:40 <Roge> i got room for 1 more project

15:41 <Roge> why are some tasks "waiting to run"

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15:45 <PovAddic1> test

15:45 <PovAddic1> crap

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15:46 <c0dewarrior> tested

15:46 <c0dewarrior> crapped

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15:54 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : I solved the ubuntu problem

15:54 <PovAddict> which

15:54 <PovAddict> what

15:55 <PovAddict> HUH

15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> the wrapper could not be started, I posted it yesterday or the day before here

15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> on the command line ubuntu said file not found

15:56 <PovAddict> oh yea

15:56 <PovAddict> what was it

15:56 <yoyo[RKN]> problem was: wrapper was compiled as 32 bit appl

15:56 <yoyo[RKN]> some Ubuntus can not handle 32 bit appl

15:56 <PovAddict> ohh

15:56 <PovAddict> gotta install some 32 bit libs

15:57 <yoyo[RKN]> now it is native 64 bit and runs without the 32 bit libs

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16:42 <xcamel> re-hi

16:43 <PovAddict> hmm some big plans showing up...

16:44 <PovAddict> multi-threaded boinc apps

16:44 <PovAddict> distributed thinking (brain-based distributed computing, like Stardust@Home)

16:45 <PovAddict>

16:45 <Romulus> Title: BoincBasics - BOINC - Trac (at

16:47 <c0dewarrior> who manages Romulus ?

16:47 <MTughan> xcamel, I think.

16:49 <xcamel> here I is...

16:49 <xcamel> why?

16:49 <CoderForLife> I here too - hi

16:49 <c0dewarrior> hello xcamel

16:49 <c0dewarrior> hi hi

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17:21 <xcamel> er.. back too

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17:56 <xcamel> back again

17:57 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:58 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

17:58 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 67F / 19C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Widespread showers and thunderstorms. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Isolated showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Low in the upper 40s. West wind (1 more message)

17:58 <wdsmia> &more

17:58 <Romulus> wdsmia: 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph decreasing to 5 to 15 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Wednesday - Sunny. High in the mid 70s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tornado Warning for Warren County in effect until 5:45 PM CDT on October 02, 2007;

17:59 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

18:00 <wdsmia> Hmmm  rain gage says 2 inches so far

18:00 <xcamel> any helps, right?

18:01 <wdsmia> were not in a dought this year

18:02 <xcamel> well that's good.

18:02 <wdsmia> we just send it north

18:02 <xcamel> we still are to an extent

18:03 <wdsmia> our problem has been dry for weeks then 6 in in a day then repeat

18:04 <xcamel> ditto

18:05 <CoderForLife> hey Doug

18:05 <wdsmia> hey Don

18:06 <Romulus> so why would someone from Germany be calling my name...

18:06 <CoderForLife> I'd put a rain gauge if it wasn't so embarassing

18:06 <CoderForLife> I would hate to keep wiping the dust off it

18:06 <xcamel> lol

18:06 <wdsmia> tell them its a very small bird feeder

18:07 <CoderForLife> good plan

18:08 <wdsmia> the drive home was hell...  people have forgotten how to drive in rain

18:09 <CoderForLife> less frequent than snow

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18:10 <MTughan> Hmm... Help for &weather says you can use "US/Can city, state", but "&weather Toronto, ON" returns 500.

18:10 <MTughan> "&weather Toronto" works just fine.

18:10 * CoderForLife listens to "Baba O'Riley" - and still loves that song

18:10 <MTughan> Watch CSI: NY?

18:11 <CoderForLife> just for the theme song?

18:11 <MTughan> Well, that's what I was implying, but if you like the show too.

18:11 <CoderForLife> and The Blue Man Group for their rendition on the tubular watchamacallits

18:12 <MTughan> Programming joke:

18:12 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe (at

18:12 <CoderForLife> that the Ballmer Effect?

18:12 <MTughan> Yep. ;)

18:12 <CoderForLife> it's going around today =)

18:13 <MTughan> It was actually posted yesterday.

18:13 <CoderForLife> yup - I had it waiting for me this morning from my son

18:13 * MTughan afk

18:13 <PovAddict> insanity: I have 300MB free ram

18:14 <PovAddict> and yes this is my new computer

18:14 <PovAddict> heck, I did a disk-intensive operation and now one of the 200MB-ram programs I was running got swapped! it's now struggling to get out of swap

18:16 <PovAddict> and trying to save some ram, I closed firefox

18:16 <PovAddict> where I had a LONG forum post half-typed

18:16 <PovAddict> -_-'

18:17 <PovAddict> anyway, I managed to get my dualcore 2gb ram into a crawl \o/

18:18 <PovAddict> 100mb working set, 240mb virtual memory... still has to unswap a bit more I guess :\

18:22 <xcamel> creepy crawler

18:22 <c0dewarrior> PovAddict: nothing new, needing 6GB for a "reasonable" desktop here

18:22 <PovAddict> you're more insane than me

18:23 <c0dewarrior> running firefox and other bloatware who's coders still needs to learn how to use "free" and "delete x"...

18:23 <PovAddict> I was running three instances of xdelta (two of them eating 400MB, the other 240MB)

18:23 <PovAddict> which is ram intensive by design

18:23 <PovAddict> if you need 6GB just for bloatware, you have one hell of a lot of bloatware

18:23 <c0dewarrior> run a lot of java, which instantaneously turns a dual core into a toaster with benefits

18:23 <PovAddict> ah that pretty much explains it

18:24 <c0dewarrior> agreed, a heck of a lot of bloatware

18:24 <PovAddict> Eclipse needs 300MB just showing its empty editor window

18:24 <c0dewarrior> and other nasty not-supposed-to-be-bloatware bloatware

18:24 <wdsmia> bbiab

18:24 <c0dewarrior> indeed

18:24 <PovAddict> I disabled most of the installed-by-default plugins, usage still high

18:24 <c0dewarrior> and nowadays X churns up hundreds of megs just keeping state of all the windows...

18:25 <c0dewarrior> PovAddict: it's hungry by design... most "well designed" pieces are imho

18:26 <c0dewarrior> </rant_complete>

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18:42 <xcamel> 5.10.21 looks like A-OK for standard linux.

18:42 <xcamel> winduhs version looks OK too.

18:43 <c0dewarrior> it released officially now?

18:44 <PovAddict> still marked alpha, but feel free to get it

18:44 <c0dewarrior> (and do you still need looking at the wxw stuff?(

18:49 <CoderForLife>

18:49 <Romulus> Title: Roombas fill an emotional vacuum for owners - Tech News & Reviews - (at

18:50 <PovAddict> lolpun

18:50 <PovAddict> first paragraph definitely talks about you, CFL

18:50 * PovAddict continues reading

18:56 <CoderForLife> they gotta have names... =)

18:56 <xcamel> yeah, because at some point I want to build a version with optimizations (much smaller exec)

18:56 <CoderForLife> mine are Huey, Dewey and Louie

18:56 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: heck, I don't even name my computers

18:56 <PovAddict> y'all have dozens so sure you need names ;)

18:56 <CoderForLife> *gulp*  you DON'T??

18:57 <CoderForLife> mine are all named after Myst ages...

18:57 <PovAddict> this one's hostname is "dually", just because I needed a hostname...

18:57 <c0dewarrior> <-- on pegasus

18:57 <CoderForLife> Including ones named Myst and Riven

18:57 <c0dewarrior> He who names machines, creates life

18:58 <PovAddict> I don't see the point in "naming them after X" if I only have two currently, and any new one or replacement will probably come in *many* years

18:58 <CoderForLife> ah - that's a nice thought

18:58 <CoderForLife> My first Linux machine was named after the first age in the Myst series - Inception

18:58 <CoderForLife> Pentium 75

18:59 <CoderForLife> 128MB RAM

18:59 <CoderForLife> seemed fitting

18:59 <c0dewarrior> I'd have called it papyrus

18:59 <CoderForLife> not "stone tablet"?

19:00 <CoderForLife> or "bison blood on cave wall"?

19:00 <c0dewarrior> grin

19:00 <xcamel> cavemen - tonight - ABC - 8:00 PM!

19:00 <CoderForLife> lol

19:00 <xcamel> then season finale of eureka

19:01 <CoderForLife> I saw that

19:01 <c0dewarrior> Then the second season of Gaahhhhh

19:01 <CoderForLife> e-mail from SciFi earlier

19:02 <xcamel> wazzup with pegasus/razor

19:02 <c0dewarrior> talking to me?

19:02 <xcamel> are they really just trying to kill the whole thing off?

19:02 <c0dewarrior> nm

19:02 <xcamel> Don..

19:03 <xcamel> Battlestar G

19:03 <c0dewarrior> when's BSG due?

19:04 <xcamel> not sure..

19:04 <c0dewarrior> Been delayed way too long

19:05 <CoderForLife> BSG 2-hr episode "Razor" on 11/24

19:06 <CoderForLife> final season start in January

19:06 <CoderForLife> not sure what day

19:06 <c0dewarrior> jeepers, need to find something else to pass suppertime then

19:07 <CoderForLife> Razor previews look good - takes place aboard Pegasus

19:07 <CoderForLife> um, as you said, xcamel

19:08 <CoderForLife>

19:08 <Romulus> Title: SCIFI.COM | Battlestar Galactica Razor DVD (at

19:09 <xcamel> anyone catch the price of the ST/TNG complete DVD set?

19:10 <xcamel> (20Th anniversary)

19:10 <CoderForLife> no

19:11 <xcamel> the box is the size of a cement block

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19:16 <xcamel> 'lo e

19:16 <efc> hey

19:27 <xcamel> how goes it?

19:28 <CoderForLife> I see $440, xcamel

19:29 <CoderForLife> hey efc

19:29 <CoderForLife> I'm off for the evening

19:29 <CoderForLife> cya folks back here soon

19:30 <xcamel> O*U*C*H

19:31 <xcamel> ST/TFCC

19:31 <xcamel> (the friggin cash cow)

19:37 <MTughan> Back.

19:37 <MTughan> Whoa...

19:37 <Romulus> Title: Coming soon to kindergarten class: antipiracy ed | Tech news blog - CNET (at

19:38 <PovAddict> teach kids not to pirate?

19:38 <MTughan> Seems so...

19:38 <PovAddict> looool retards

19:38 <PovAddict> they can never have enough money

19:38 <MTughan> O_O "Join the © Team"...

19:39 <PovAddict> I say, if they don't want me to pirate movies, give me a legal way to download them

19:39 <PovAddict> one that I can use without a credit card too (since I'm < 18)

19:40 <MTughan> Well, hopefully they'd be cheaper than DVDs. They don't have to make them.

19:40 <PovAddict> exactly

19:40 <PovAddict> whatever, some way to get legal movies without getting my ass off to rent a movie

19:40 <c0dewarrior> PovAddict: Credit cards are evil even if you're > 80

19:41 <MTughan> According to the article, they're targeting kids because message to the 15-24 age group isn't working.

19:41 <PovAddict> if there isn't any way, I'll get my illegal ones with even more convenience

19:41 <PovAddict> c0dewarrior: sure they may be, but they are *impossible to get* if you're < 18

19:41 <c0dewarrior> I want a copy of the @team software...

19:42 <PovAddict> "I bet these guys that are employed at  entertainment industry barely passed elementry school themselves."

19:42 <MTughan> I have two suggestions for the movie companies: either stop making all these action films, or make DVDs available to legal download, as PovAddict said.

19:42 <MTughan> Anyway, bbiab.

19:42 <c0dewarrior> ditto, adieu

19:43 <PovAddict> they don't want me to get movies illegally -> give me a legal way to do it, DUH

19:45 <CoderForLife> quick back - this caught my eye - a neat story

19:45 <Romulus> <> (at

19:45 <CoderForLife> gone again

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19:50 <xcamel> that was cute..

19:54 <MTughan> 80 years, wow.

19:57 <Soul_keeper> compile compile compile  go 5.10.21 go !

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20:05 <MTughan> I know this may not be the best way, but how is the password stored in a .htpasswd? A hash?

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20:30 <xcamel> cavemen was really weird.

20:34 <Soul_keeper> odd

20:34 <Soul_keeper> i got boinc 5.10.21 compiled and running

20:35 <Soul_keeper> benchmark results:  1215 float 1498 int

20:35 <xcamel> mine still wouldn't build boincmgr

20:35 <Soul_keeper> the first run of the benchmark was 1223/1604  tho

20:35 <Soul_keeper> not very consistent for some reason

20:36 <xcamel> benchies did seem a bit low

20:36 <Soul_keeper> 893 float  1400 int   on my P4    with the binary installation tho

20:36 <Soul_keeper> 1394 float  1643 int  on 5.10.0

20:37 <Soul_keeper> using benchmarking as a guage for just about anything is difficult at best and inherently flawed

20:37 <MTughan> With 5.10.20 on Mac, I get 1588.32 for float, 4450.15 for int.

20:37 <xcamel> 1716/3289

20:38 <Soul_keeper> i could easily add some different optimizations during compile and beef those benchies up, but i'd be making tradeoffs for precision in the code

20:38 <xcamel> dual amd opteron 248's

20:38 <Soul_keeper> nice

20:38 <MTughan> My P4 HT hits 1107/1708. Mac is Core Duo 2.0GHz.

20:39 <MTughan> Hmm... I'd thought that AMD processors were slower than Intel for the most part (other than when they came out with dual-core), but they seem to be doing pretty good.

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20:39 <MTughan> Better floating than the CDs, and maybe the C2Ds.

20:39 <xcamel> what's the command for svn update?

20:39 <Soul_keeper> MTughan,  it all comes down to the optimizations in the code

20:39 <MTughan> True...

20:40 <Soul_keeper> it's really like throwing a dart

20:40 <MTughan> xcamel: Why wouldn't it be "svn update"?

20:40 <MTughan> Works here.

20:41 <Soul_keeper> an extra function/routine here or there in the code regardless of what it is, will change the entire benchmark results   as gcc will interpret the code differently and organize it differently

20:41 <MTughan> But would it affect float and int differently?

20:41 <Soul_keeper> i ran into the same problems with my benchmark project

20:41 <Soul_keeper> could very easily

20:42 <MTughan> So one could go up, and the other down.

20:42 <Soul_keeper> yeah

20:42 <MTughan> Interesting...

20:42 <Soul_keeper> not to mention differing version of gcc

20:42 <MTughan> Yeah. Apple comes with 4.0.1.

20:42 <MTughan> And 4.2.1 just messes everything up.

20:42 <Soul_keeper> i just installed 4.2.1 today

20:43 <MTughan> It overwrites libgcc, which broke Rosetta.

20:43 <MTughan> Had a hell of a time getting that back.

20:43 <Soul_keeper> interesting

20:44 <xcamel> up didn't go - rerunning co

20:44 <MTughan> What is the MIME type for plain text?

20:44 <xcamel> wast-of-bandwidth

20:45 <xcamel> x/text

20:45 <MTughan> x/text? Okay... Doesn't seem to be what I remember.

20:45 <MTughan> Wait, I'm thinking of text/plain.

20:45 <xcamel> mime/txt

20:45 <xcamel> that's the one...

20:46 <MTughan> Which, mime/txt, or text/plain?

20:47 <Soul_keeper> i'm debating wether i wanna upgrade boinc on my c2d system too and compare benchies

20:47 <xcamel> text/plain

20:47 <MTughan> Okay...

20:48 <xcamel> my source still refuses to find wxw

20:49 <Soul_keeper> 3069 float 6288 int  on the c2d with boinc 5.8.11

20:49 <MTughan> Nice...

20:53 <Soul_keeper> 2262 float 5761 int  with binary 5.10.21 installation

20:53 <Romulus> and now the climate from 1920 to 2007 is the equivalent to your house?

20:53 <MTughan> So are the binaries slower? Or is that a different machine?

20:53 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

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20:55 <Soul_keeper> i'm gonna compile from source now

20:55 <Soul_keeper> it should be faster

20:55 <Soul_keeper> i'll post the results when i run it

20:55 <MTughan> K.

20:56 <Soul_keeper> hmmm this could take some time

20:56 <Soul_keeper> i'm in the mood to upgrade gcc on that machine as well

20:59 <Soul_keeper> i'm compiling boinc now on it with gcc 4.1.2

21:01 <MTughan> Hey, anyone seen the new USB, USB3 yet?

21:01 <Romulus> Title: USB 3.0 brings optical connection in 2008 | Crave : The gadget blog (at

21:01 <Soul_keeper> 3025 float 7184 int

21:01 <MTughan> Nice... Really really nice.

21:02 <MTughan> &calc 4450 / 7184

21:02 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".

21:02 <MTughan> &math calc 4450 / 7184

21:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.619432071269

21:02 <MTughan> Wait, other way around...

21:02 <MTughan> &math calc 7184 / 4450

21:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.61438202247

21:02 <MTughan> 160% faster in the integer than the Mac binary on CD 2.0GHz.

21:03 <MTughan> &math calc 3025 / 1588

21:03 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.90491183879

21:03 <Soul_keeper> well my c2d is clocked around 3GHz

21:03 <MTughan> That's a bigger difference...

21:03 <MTughan> Okay, that would very well explain it.

21:03 <MTughan> Well, the integer ratings. Floating point has improved.

21:03 <Soul_keeper> &math calc 5761 / 7184

21:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 0.801920935412

21:04 <Soul_keeper> still a 20% boost comparing the binary to the compiled version on the same system

21:04 <MTughan> Not bad...

21:04 <MTughan> Just that the binaries are usually a little less hassle.

21:04 <Soul_keeper> and gcc 4.1.2 don't even explicitly optimize for the c2d

21:05 <Soul_keeper> as it was made before the c2d was floating around

21:05 <MTughan> Well, 4.0.1 can do SSE3.

21:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah they can do sse3 just not an mtune option for the c2d untill 4.2.x i believe

21:06 <MTughan> I'm not sure if 4.0.1 can even do mtune for any of the Intel Macs...

21:06 <MTughan> Nope. Just G3, G4, and G5, according to Xcode.

21:11 <MTughan> Oh, seems it can do a bit more...

21:11 <Romulus> <> (at

21:11 <Soul_keeper> yeah with 4.1.2 the closest thing to a c2d is nocona

21:12 <Soul_keeper> i can't wait till 4.3.x becomes stable

21:12 <Soul_keeper> it has some nice features

21:12 <PovAddict> like?

21:13 <Soul_keeper> my benchmark project requires it to use the multithreading feature

21:13 <MTughan> That's actually with 4.0.1 Apple version.

21:13 <Soul_keeper> #pragma omp parallel for

21:14 <Soul_keeper> only supported in 4.3.x  but it's buggy with lots of stuff like compiling the kernel ..

21:14 <MTughan> Well, 4.1.0 supports nocona anyway.

21:14 <MTughan> Hmm... 4.2 supports -mtune=native.

21:14 <PovAddict> &math convert 128MiB to bytes

21:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 128MiB is not a valid unit.

21:14 <PovAddict> &math convert 128MB to bytes

21:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 128MB is not a valid unit.

21:14 <PovAddict> oh

21:14 <PovAddict> &math convert 128 MiB to bytes

21:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: 134217728

21:15 <MTughan> I was just getting to that...

21:15 <MTughan> gcc4.2 also supports -mtune=generic.

21:15 <MTughan>

21:15 <Romulus> <> (at

21:19 <Soul_keeper> awww i guess only 4.3.x explicitly supports c2d

21:19 <MTughan> 4.3 docs don't seem to exist yet.

21:19 <PovAddict>

21:19 <Romulus> Title: Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) (at

21:20 <Soul_keeper>

21:20 <Romulus> <> (at

21:21 <MTughan> Same options.

21:21 <Soul_keeper>

21:21 <Romulus> <> (at

21:21 <Soul_keeper> no core2 in the first list  but a core2  in the second

21:21 <MTughan> What are those for?

21:21 <Soul_keeper> c2d

21:21 <PovAddict> second is the 4.3 docs

21:22 <MTughan> SSSE3?

21:22 <PovAddict> &help wikipedia

21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: There is no command "wikipedia".

21:22 <PovAddict> aww

21:22 <PovAddict> &google SSSE3

21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.14 seconds: SSSE3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; How to Properly Use SSE3 and SSSE3 (and Future Intel Vector ...: <>; Roger Sayle - Re: PATCH: Add SSSE3 builtin tests: <>; Meissner, (2 more messages)

21:22 <Soul_keeper> yeah they all  support sse3

21:23 <MTughan> Not SSE3, but SSSE3. One more S.

21:23 <Soul_keeper> ohhh

21:23 <MTughan>

21:23 <Romulus> Title: SSSE3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

21:24 <Soul_keeper>

21:24 <Romulus> <> (at

21:24 <PovAddict> there's wikipedia pages for SSE4 and SSE5 too

21:24 <MTughan> My screen is going to turn blue from all the links...

21:26 <Soul_keeper> lol

21:26 <Soul_keeper> i guess my c2d does have ssse3 support

21:26 <Soul_keeper> i never knew ...

21:26 <MTughan> Used to be referred to as SSE4.

21:27 <PovAddict> SSE4 has some interesting stuff

21:27 <Soul_keeper> and here i thought i was top of the game with regular old sse3

21:30 <PovAddict> "It has been rumoured that the Bulldozer core will feature a technology which allows the arithmetic logic units (ALUs) and floating point units (FPUs) of idle core(s) to be assigned to other loaded core(s) for processing and calculations, thus giving better single-threaded application performance."

21:30 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: SSE5 expected for 2009

21:30 <MTughan> So multi-threaded performance from single-threaded apps.

21:30 <Soul_keeper> cool

21:31 <PovAddict> SSE4 will be available on Intel codename Penryn CPUs

21:32 <MTughan> brb

21:33 <PovAddict> omg

21:33 <PovAddict> CPU and GPU on same die

21:34 <PovAddict> means insane bandwidths between them

21:36 <Soul_keeper> :)

21:36 <MTughan> And a bit of heat.

21:37 <PovAddict> designs from 10 to 100 Watts

21:37 <MTughan> O_O

21:37 <PovAddict> and there's also a new core design based on it, targeted at embedded devices

21:37 <PovAddict> 1 to 10 watts

21:37 <Soul_keeper> 5.10.21 compiled on gcc 4.2.1 with sse3 benchmark results: 3030 float 7200 int

21:37 <Soul_keeper> gonna try ssse3 now

21:37 <PovAddict>

21:37 <Romulus> <> (at

21:38 <Soul_keeper> 3025 float 7184 int       was the gcc 4.1.2 result  so about the same

21:38 <MTughan> I'm still envious of you...

21:39 <PovAddict> did anybody read about BOLT and BOSSA?

21:39 <MTughan> You know why AMD can make a CPU and a GPU on the same die? Because they acquired ATI. Which I still don't like...

21:40 <MTughan> I liked ATI. Why did AMD have to go and buy them?

21:40 <Soul_keeper> it's not so bad

21:40 <Soul_keeper> atleast now we'll get opensource ati drivers :)

21:41 <MTughan> I still liked them better when they were Canadian owned and operated.

21:41 <MTughan> )

21:41 <MTughan> ;)

21:41 <PovAddict> ah so that's your reason... :P

21:41 <PovAddict> BOINC - volunteer computing

21:41 <PovAddict> BOSSA - distributed thinking

21:41 <PovAddict> BOLT - Web-based learning

21:44 <PovAddict> hmm let's try a larger window...

21:44 <PovAddict> &math convert 256 MiB to bytes

21:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: 268435456

21:44 <MTughan> What is that for?

21:44 * PovAddict gets ready to make his hdd suffer

21:44 <Romulus> the tentative plan is to take i can has cheezburger

21:44 <PovAddict> LOL

21:45 <MTughan> No, LOLCATS. :D

21:45 <Soul_keeper> hmmm -mssse3  causes the boinc configure script to error out

21:45 <PovAddict> laugh-out-loud cats:

21:45 <Romulus> <> (at

21:46 <PovAddict> whoa, at 256mb window size it uses 500MB of ram instead of 400...

21:46 <PovAddict> and I plan to run two at a time to take advantage of dualcore

21:47 * PovAddict works on some ram-freeing

21:47 <PovAddict> oshi-

21:47 <MTughan> What are you doing?

21:47 <PovAddict> 800MB VIRTUAL RAM EACH

21:47 <PovAddict> fun

21:47 <MTughan> What is this?

21:48 <PovAddict> two instances of make-mtughan-curious.exe running

21:48 <MTughan> lol

21:49 <MTughan> Haha, nice...

21:49 <Romulus> <> (at

21:50 <PovAddict> I'm officially getting my 2GB of RAM into a crawl

21:50 <PovAddict> impressive

21:51 <Soul_keeper> lol you got too much free time

21:51 <PovAddict> I had to ctrl-c it, now running single instance

21:53 <freelarry> for povs exploits

21:53 <Romulus> <> (at

21:53 <freelarry> should be about upgrading ram

21:53 <MTughan> Yep, it is.

21:54 <freelarry> ;)

21:54 <PovAddict> "I'd have to guess that immediately after this, he made like a shepherd and got the flock out of there?"

21:55 <PovAddict>

21:55 <Romulus> <> (at

21:55 <MTughan> PovAddict!

21:55 <Romulus> <> (at

21:55 <PovAddict> he is indeed

21:56 <MTughan> Remember the other ones...

21:57 <freelarry> humm me on trying to program or run nix

21:57 <Romulus> <> (at

21:59 <freelarry> another one poking at programmers? (way before his time)

21:59 <Romulus> <> (at

22:00 <PovAddict> no it's like

22:00 <PovAddict> forum threads

22:00 <Romulus> at the screensaver to make a large snail sort of watching primeval

22:00 <freelarry> lol here's early skype

22:00 <Romulus> <> (at

22:01 <PovAddict> comparable reliability, sometimes

22:02 <freelarry> ;) off for some scifi

22:04 <MTughan> More threads...

22:04 <MTughan>

22:04 <Romulus> Title: Laugh-Out-Loud Cats #96 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at

22:04 <PovAddict> I think I'll wait for xdelta to finish before clicking another link

22:05 <PovAddict> not only ram-intensive, but also takes very good advantage of disk cache so I'd rather not have the cache flush

22:05 <MTughan> Hehe... Another one for you when you're ready.

22:05 <Romulus> <> (at

22:06 <PovAddict> &calc 3*1024

22:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".

22:06 <PovAddict> &math calc 3*1024

22:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: 3072

22:06 <PovAddict> ah, 72... I had it slightly wrong

22:06 <PovAddict> got confused with 8192

22:07 <MTughan> That's 8*1024...

22:07 <PovAddict> yep

22:11 <MTughan> Nice... 'Nuther "You're doing it wrong!"

22:11 <Romulus> <> (at

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22:21 <MTughan> Hehe...

22:21 <Romulus> <> (at

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22:25 <MTughan> Haha! "File not found." Says sector 404 in the background...

22:25 <Romulus> <> (at

22:31 <freelarry> calling on #boinc

22:31 <Romulus> <> (at

22:32 <Romulus> has somebody here experience with the backup tapes, all data

22:32 <freelarry> early mac

22:32 <Romulus> <> (at

22:36 <freelarry> coders day

22:36 <Romulus> <> (at

22:36 <PovAddict> rommie shush

22:45 <freelarry> at this time of year i wish it were this simple

22:45 <Romulus> <> (at

22:46 <MTughan> I wish we had the snow ones.

22:46 <MTughan> 83% humidity, 18C, and won't budge lower, it seems.

22:46 <MTughan> Add on that that our A/C's broken.

22:46 <freelarry> extreme faith

22:46 <Romulus> <> (at

22:46 <MTughan> lol

22:49 <freelarry> spacestation design team

22:49 <Romulus> <> (at

22:50 <freelarry> MTughan you can enjoy my weather

22:50 <MTughan> Oh?

22:50 <freelarry> &weather 98366

22:50 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 52F / 11C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Occasional showers. Slight chance of an early evening thunderstorm. Breezy. Lows in the mid to upper 40s. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph decreasing to 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday - Occasional showers. Isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in (1 more message)

22:50 <MTughan> O_O

22:50 <MTughan> &weather Toronto

22:50 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 66°F / 19°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM EDT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Wind south 20 km/h (12 mph). Low 18C(64F).; Wednesday - Cloudy with sunny periods. 30 percent chance of showers in the afternoon. Wind south 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming west 30 km/h (19 mph) late in the (1 more message)

22:51 <freelarry> waiting for the first power outage of season to occur

22:56 <freelarry> today for me

22:56 <Romulus> <> (at

22:56 <MTughan> Not Caturday though...

23:00 <PovAddict> did you notice the H's on all comics?

23:00 <PovAddict> H with sunrays

23:00 <PovAddict> like on top left of this one

23:00 <Romulus> <> (at

23:00 <Romulus> I'm mentally challenged to install screensavers on linux now

23:01 <PovAddict> Romulus I'll rip your ln-s plugin off

23:01 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

23:01 <MTughan> I don't see an H.

23:01 <PovAddict> MTughan: try full view?

23:01 <MTughan> Oh, now I see it.

23:01 <PovAddict> it's in all

23:40 <efc> moo

23:40 <MTughan> meep

23:41 <efc> &math convert 1 feet to hands

23:41 <Romulus> efc: 3

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