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01:55 <freelarry> well moved one machine down to see if cat5 cable still good
01:57 <efc> I need another desk to stick computers on
01:57 <freelarry> lol gots to many desk here need shelves
02:00 <efc> piano keyboard fills up side, junk on the other
02:01 <freelarry> by time i move downstairs - will have 4 desks in room -- 3 corner type and one cubical type
02:01 <freelarry> need power strip on wall for outlet -- 6 foot should be good
02:01 <freelarry> that gives 12 recepticles
02:02 <freelarry> 2 foot wide shelving unit with 32" between shelves should hold all machnes
02:07 <efc> i like the corner desks. can hardly find them anymore
02:07 <freelarry> just reassembled one that the boy left here in the closet
02:08 <freelarry> 2 more in this room
02:08 <efc> wonder if someday antique partical board furniture will sell for $20,000 on antique road show
02:08 <efc> "Ah yes a piece from the middle wal mart period"
02:08 <freelarry> lol yup and a few other places
02:09 <efc> mine's an office depot or staples,can't remember, from 2000
02:10 <freelarry> gave my 5th desk to brotherinlaw - it was from staples - nice but to large for me after the boy got these 2 for up here
02:11 * freelarry guesses he should try and move his printer downstairs and make it look like he's doing something
02:11 <freelarry> &nn all
02:11 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
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02:39 <efc> kinda interesting, this guy is cutting record grooves into CD-R blanks hehe
02:41 <freelarry> sounds fun
02:42 <freelarry> just install 5.10.21 on this machine - like the new graphs
02:43 <efc> mmm i'll try it someday..
02:43 <freelarry> still on the dev side only .20 stable
02:44 <freelarry> not sure what accessible view is - using grid view myself
02:44 <freelarry> but accessible does show on screen too
02:54 <efc> wow.. Claque (French for "clapping") is, in its origin, a term which refers to an organized body of professional applauders in French theatres and opera houses.
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03:00 <efc> were 45s supposed to sound better than 33's ?
03:00 <freelarry> it really depended upon the player
03:02 <efc> you'd assume that the higher RPM would give a better frequency response or something
03:02 <efc> otherwise why not just have them play at 33 too
03:03 <freelarry> lol well 45's were about 6" diameter and 33's were around 10" diameter so depending upon where you were on disk would determine speed
03:04 <freelarry> the play back needle sensitivity and electrical amplification of player meant a lot more
03:05 <efc> There's no reason you can't make a small 33 if you want it to play shorter
03:05 <freelarry> nope and there were some put out as singles
03:05 <freelarry> and freebies attached to cerial boxes also
03:05 <Romulus> guess that would have bought it online i woulda went abit
03:05 <efc> I wonder if I need to find my favorite songs on 45s if I really want the best hehe
03:06 <efc> I remember the McDonald's song that came inthe newspaper
03:06 <freelarry> yeah the originally floppies
03:06 <efc> from wiki: "The 45 rpm discs typically emulated the playing time of the former 78 rpm discs"
03:06 <efc> i guess it just worked out that way
03:06 <freelarry> which were humongous
03:07 <efc> our old big giant stereo that we left 20 years ago had a 16 RPM setting on it, never saw one of those discs though
03:11 <efc> those old mediums are cool
03:11 <efc> you can do funny things like have two start points or a hidden song in the middle
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03:25 <freelarry> yup and even get something different when played backwards too
03:25 <freelarry> my word just moving that one machine downstairs already cooling this room off
03:25 * freelarry it had 3 scsi drives in it
03:28 <efc> listening to some tapes of band from '95.. what a lousy recording system
03:28 <efc> about 1935 level quality
03:28 <freelarry> try the 8 track continual loop ones
03:28 <freelarry> or are you talking reel to reel?
03:29 <freelarry> cassettes were always just mass production throw aways
03:29 <efc> this is a cassette
03:29 <efc> unfortunately the master probably is too
03:30 <freelarry> yup
03:30 <efc> its a dub too
03:30 <efc> still, the system in that hall sucks
03:30 <freelarry> ugg really low quality then
03:30 <Romulus> Title: GHP 2007 Music Majors' Concert Recordings Archive (at www.valdosta.edu)
03:30 <freelarry> metal cassette tape was good
03:31 <Romulus> I have limited control over your dsl uplink
03:32 <efc> I have some cassettes from much better halls with much better setup and they sound great
03:32 <freelarry> trying the prelude - rachmaninoff but only have med. speed connection
03:33 <efc> I really hope the masters are on DAT but not holding fingers
03:34 <freelarry> this one doesn't sound bad to me but then my ears are pretty well shot anyway
03:34 <efc> seem to be mono or bad stereo
03:34 <efc> its a very tubby sounding hall
03:35 <freelarry> lol normal life for me - only hear mid tones on left - high and lows mostly on right
03:36 <freelarry> right side seems a lot weaker tho thru out play and applause
03:36 <freelarry> could be mike positioning also
03:36 <freelarry> but balancer not set right for the setup
03:37 <efc> yeah its probably just hung at the top somewhere
03:37 <efc> compare that to http://home.earthlink.net/~cottongim/94%20All-State_mixdown02.ogg (different hall, done professionsally, copied off cassette tape)
03:38 <freelarry> humm got a do i want to save file
03:38 <efc> oh, its ogg vorbis..
03:39 <efc> winamp can play it, windows media probably can't
03:39 <freelarry> probably wont play on windows media then
03:39 <freelarry> media is what i have
03:39 <efc> should have done it as mp3 for the masses
03:39 <efc> well anyway.. sounds great :p
03:40 * freelarry cant wait to build his next machine - F7 will be the OS
03:40 <freelarry> noticed that can get a lot more played on firefox on ubantu and not so much hassel getting the codecs
03:42 <efc> I have no idea why windows media can't get the ogg codecs
03:42 <freelarry> drm probably
03:42 <freelarry> or they just to lazy
03:42 <efc> or they don't want to encourage FOSS
03:43 <freelarry> that too
03:43 <efc> I like ogg a bit better, seems to do a notch better than mp3 at the same bitrate
03:43 <efc> I usually encode in Ogg 6 (~192 kbps nominal)
03:44 <freelarry> haven't really tried any encoding of video or audio - always came out bad when others listened
03:44 <freelarry> or viewed
03:45 <freelarry> well bed time now - have a great night
03:45 <freelarry> &nn all
03:45 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
03:47 <efc> Nigh
04:18 <CoderForLife> morning
04:24 <efc> ugh
04:33 <CoderForLife> ick
04:33 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast
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04:55 <CoderForLife> bbiab
05:06 <CoderForLife> (b)
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05:48 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%
06:27 <hawmps> 'lo
06:27 <MTughan> And off to school in a few minutes too.
06:29 <hawmps> toodles...
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10:58 <PovAddict> xcamel: 5.10.21 available for linux
10:59 <Romulus> Use JS and AJAX if you meant Anarchy, FL
10:59 <PovAddict> shush bot
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11:13 <hawmps> cool
11:14 <Lorvija> hey does anyone have water cooled pc here? (:
11:18 <hawmps> and it works too...
11:19 <Lorvija> =)
11:20 <Lorvija> been thinking of changing my server to warer cooled... to make it inaudible even @ night..
11:20 <Lorvija> water*
11:20 <Lorvija> would be nice to know how much water cooled pc needs maintenance..
11:43 <ELGono> if you do it right, nearly no need to look after
11:43 <ELGono> no problems at all since 3,5years 24/7
11:44 <freelarry> humm wouldn't expect any more or less maintenance than needed currently Lorvija - except to check fluid level occasionally
11:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: somebody told me PHP 6 will have to have a look at what LINPACK does? i think people here are the auditors on the remaining RAID 1 drive in an odd error
11:46 <Lorvija> freelarry: ye... meant about that fluid level thing mainly (: also any idea how often pumps fail..?
11:47 <Lorvija> thought about building combined multimedia center/boinc cruncher with water cooling.. (:
11:47 <ELGono> mine is outdoor on the balkony and works since 3,5years without any problems
11:47 <Lorvija> ELGono: where u live? :P
11:47 <ELGono> and we had -18°C up to +43°C on there
11:47 <ELGono> germany
11:48 <Lorvija> heh okay
11:48 <Lorvija> we got -35 easily here :E
11:48 <ELGono> hehe
11:48 <Lorvija> definately would need something extra in the water so it wouldnt freeze :P
11:48 <ELGono> yep i have too
11:49 <freelarry> yes antifreeze - haven't tried fluid cooling
11:49 <Lorvija> been thinking of building passive cooler for the water itself.. how do u cool ur liquid?
11:50 <freelarry> did see a pumpless watercooler at pcclub - kind of like a large heatpipe assembly with radiator outside of case
11:50 <Lorvija> freelarry: did it work fine? and did it only have cpu block?
11:51 <freelarry> they say it does but i wouldn't think about it at 150usd
11:51 <freelarry> supposidly has adapters to add chipset
11:52 <freelarry> they also had pump based models with smaller radiators that had cpu chipset and hd kits that could go in
11:52 <Lorvija> okay.. that could work though... would be fun to have completely noiseless pc
11:52 <freelarry> still to high of price for me
11:52 * freelarry is currently in project of fixing basement room up for all his machines
11:53 <Lorvija> i kinda hate everything that has moving parts..
11:53 <Lorvija> lieke pumps :E
11:53 <freelarry> room here is much quieter and cooler since i moved the scsi machine to basement
11:53 <Lorvija> could be fun to make double walled case which has water between... so kinda huge radiator..
11:54 <freelarry> lol they have a case already out there - don't remember the link as saw it over a year ago
11:54 <Lorvija> :D
11:54 <freelarry> try google search for silent computer cases
11:54 <freelarry> fanless
11:55 * freelarry gets pillow ready for when Lorvija sees price
11:55 <Lorvija> freelarry: been thinking about lian li case... about 300e (
11:55 <Lorvija> (:
11:55 <Romulus> it is alpha - my seti/einstein are within 600 points of each hour
11:58 <Romulus> Title: Review: Lian Li PC-S80 PC case (at www.dansdata.com)
11:58 <Lorvija> that one
11:59 <Lorvija> that one plus nice fanless water cooled kit and silent psu.. should make the computer quiet..
12:04 <freelarry> humm doubt that one for case - depends to much on air flow for component cooling
12:05 <Lorvija> hmm well i'm gonna water cool everything anyways.. (:
12:05 <Lorvija> hd, cpu, gpu for starters..
12:05 <Lorvija> and nb too
12:05 <Lorvija> psu should provide enough air flow
12:07 <Lorvija> yea, something like that (:
12:11 <Romulus> Title: Quiet computer PC and silent computer parts for loud computer noise (at www.qrdc.com)
12:11 <Lorvija> freelarry: yep. there's dozens of those sites (:
12:12 <Lorvija> anyways.. the pc i'm going to start building will need active cooling.. and active air cooling = noise... water cooling should be completely silent
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12:16 <freelarry> lastlink has some good products it looks like -- but seem fairly high in price
12:16 <freelarry> think a little more research could result in lower prices for parts
12:16 * freelarry or as ideas for what to use for local cobbling of hobbist with local parts
12:19 <Lorvija> freelarry: well if i get peace and quietness i pay about it... (: i've learned to value it..
12:21 <PovAddict> hawmps: how's your benchmarks on .21 linux?
12:22 <freelarry> Lorvija can understand that
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12:47 <Soul_keeper> why isn't there a link to the boinc download directory for the latest versions in the chan topic ?
12:49 <PovAddict> because actually you aren't supposed to get it directly from the download directory
12:49 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
12:49 <PovAddict> that's how idiots kept downloading 6.1.0 and complaining it didn't work
12:49 <Soul_keeper> ok ic where it is now
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12:52 <Roge> is there a windows client i can use to manage boinc running on a linux machine ?
12:52 <hawmps> BAM would do it...
12:52 <hawmps> if you trust it...
12:53 <Roge> spyware ?
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12:53 <Soul_keeper> it's a webinterface essentially
12:53 <Soul_keeper> i don't use it
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12:53 <hawmps> it's at boincstats.com
12:53 <Roge> k
12:54 <Soul_keeper> i just use it's stats feature
12:54 <hawmps> I do not recommend it.
12:54 <Soul_keeper> once you install boinc on the linux and windows box you can remotely login to each other via the boinc client and monitor/controll any machine
12:55 <Roge> ahh ok
12:55 <Roge> that works
12:55 <PovAddict> hawmps: how's your benchmarks on .21 linux?
12:55 <Soul_keeper> i havn't tryed any of the recent releases of boinc yet, is 5.10.21 stable ?
12:56 <Soul_keeper> i'm still on 5.10.0
12:56 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: 5.10.21 was released an hour ago, if you want a really stable one, I suggest you wait for other people to test it more
12:56 <PovAddict> linux?
12:56 <Soul_keeper> haha cool
12:57 <PovAddict> 5.10.8 is the previous available linux one
12:57 <Soul_keeper> was 5.10.20 fully stable ?
12:57 <PovAddict> well I ran .20 for fairly long on win, two computers, no problems
12:57 <Soul_keeper> ahhh
12:57 <Soul_keeper> trying to set my friend Roge up here
12:58 <Soul_keeper> he's never run boinc
12:58 <Roge> i installed it from the ubuntu repo
12:58 <Roge> installing the windows client atm see if it can control it
12:58 <PovAddict> whoa amazing
12:58 <Soul_keeper> i personally like just downloading the source compiling it in ~/BOINC and leaving/running it from there no make install
12:58 <PovAddict> last available on feisty is 5.4.11!
12:59 <Roge> maybe i should use the src then
12:59 <PovAddict> Roge: there's official binaries
12:59 <PovAddict> compiling from source is a total pain if you want the GUI too
13:00 <Roge> nah i dont want a gui on the machine its running o n
13:00 <Roge> the server is guiless
13:00 <Soul_keeper> there is one dep you'll need for boinc lib curl
13:00 <Lorvija> PovAddict: hmm im on 7.10 and newest is 5.10.8
13:00 <Lorvija> (gutsy gibbon i mean)
13:00 <PovAddict> Lorvija: is 7.10 gutsy?
13:00 <Lorvija> aye (:
13:01 <PovAddict> yeah gutsy has 5.10.8
13:01 <Roge> Soul_keeper, are you saying i can use the windows boinc program to control boinc on the server ?>
13:01 <Soul_keeper> Roge, you compile boinc and you have multiple executables boinc_client (for command line), boinc_gui (for the graphical interface)
13:02 <PovAddict> Roge: interaction between gui and core is via TCP/IP
13:02 <Soul_keeper> Roge, you'd just run boinc_client on the linux server and controll it with boinc_gui from the windows server
13:02 <Roge> ahh ok
13:02 <Roge> makes sence
13:02 <Romulus> it was going to be something like that should be 5 times fast
13:03 <Soul_keeper> via host/password
13:03 <Soul_keeper> password goes in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file i believe
13:03 <PovAddict> oh and you need remote_hosts.cfg saying what IPs are allowed to connect too
13:03 <PovAddict> otherwise will only allow localhost
13:03 <Lorvija> bb im off
13:04 <Soul_keeper> Roge, the hardest part is getting everything setup and configured your first time, once you do it's childsplay
13:04 <Roge> cool
13:05 <Soul_keeper> i'm tempted to install 5.10.21 to compare benchmarks with you guys
13:05 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: yeah, on freelarry's machine .21 seemed to have shitty benchmarks
13:05 <PovAddict> that's why I was asking
13:06 <Soul_keeper> was it a binary install on his box ?
13:06 <PovAddict> yeah
13:06 <PovAddict> but .8 had higher bm's
13:08 <Roge> should i see boinc in nmap results ?'
13:08 <Roge> cause its running but i dont see it
13:08 <Roge> with nmap results
13:08 <PovAddict> should be port 31416
13:09 <Roge> ok i see it running in ps -aux results
13:09 <Roge> but its not there in a nmap scan
13:09 <Soul_keeper> ok just the binary in boinc_5.10.21_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
13:10 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: what I want to know is if .21 official binaries had worse bm's than .8 official binaries
13:10 <Roge> boinc_client -redir is what is running
13:10 <PovAddict> Roge: try running this: nc 127.0.0.1 31416
13:10 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, well i'll run it on my P4 now, but i don't like using binaries permanently
13:11 <PovAddict> fairy nuff, Soul_keeper
13:11 <Roge> no output thus far from that command PovAddict
13:12 <PovAddict> Roge: try typing something
13:12 <Roge> root@SERVER:/var/lib/boinc-client# nc 127.0.0.1 31416
13:12 <Roge> k\
13:12 <Roge> <boinc_gui_rpc_reply>
13:12 <Roge> <major_version>5</major_version>
13:12 <Roge> <minor_version>4</minor_version>
13:12 <Roge> <release>9</release>
13:12 <Roge> <error>unrecognized op</error>
13:12 <Roge> </boinc_gui_rpc_reply>
13:12 <PovAddict> yeah so BOINC *is* running
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13:12 <Roge> ok
13:13 <PovAddict> Ctrl-C to kill nc :P
13:13 <Roge> so i havent got something done right for the windows client to connect then
13:13 <PovAddict> (and it *is* listening on the network)
13:13 <Soul_keeper> 893 float 1400 int on my P4
13:13 <Soul_keeper> SysInfo: Uname: Linux 184.108.40.206 CPU: Dual Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz 3140.646 MHz Bogomips: 12563.34 Mem: 483/1012M [||||||||||] HDD: 540.80G/643.60GGB [||||||||||] Up: 13 days 14 hrs 57 mins 59 secs Load: 1.49 2.32 2.63 Procs: 103 Screen: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) NVCore: 351.000 MHz NVMem:1002.375 MHz VCORE:1.39
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13:14 <Roge> so i added my laptop ip to remote_hosts.cfg
13:14 <Roge> then i added a passwd to gui_rpc_auth.cfg
13:14 <PovAddict> I think boinc needs to be restarted for that to work - no idea how to do that if using the ubuntu package
13:16 <Roge> got it
13:16 <Roge> thx
13:17 <Soul_keeper> the benchmarks are really low
13:17 <PovAddict> compared to what?
13:17 <Soul_keeper> 1394 float 1643 int on 5.10.0
13:17 <Soul_keeper> but that's a compiled one
13:19 <Soul_keeper> what's the boinc cvs/svn server ?
13:20 <PovAddict> svn co http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/tags/boinc_core_release_5_10_21
13:21 <Roge> sweet so i got worldcommunity going, looks like its downloading something based on the gui
13:22 <Soul_keeper> seti servers are down for maintenance right now, so you should probably hold of on attaching to them
13:22 <Roge> cool
13:23 <Roge> its running 99% of the cpu
13:23 <Roge> lol
13:23 <PovAddict> of course
13:24 <Roge> well not that theres much going on over there, but will it throttle itself if i start doing other things ?
13:24 <PovAddict> it's at low priority on windows, and high nice value on linux
13:24 <Roge> ok
13:32 <Roge> man i love computers
13:33 <Roge> kicked back on the bed with the laptop toying with the server
13:34 <Soul_keeper> updating my libcurl 7.17.0 is out now
13:36 <Roge> install grellmd
13:36 <Roge> gkrellm
13:36 <Roge> trying to find a windows client for it
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14:50 <c0dewarrior> ahoi all
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15:31 <Soul_keeper> i swear there used to be a female in here ...
15:36 <Roge> is seti still down ?>
15:37 <c0dewarrior> the et in seti is still up, think it's the s in seti that's down, due to the lack of i
15:38 <Roge> heh
15:39 <c0dewarrior> still having issues from what I can see
15:39 <Roge> yeah it is
15:39 <Roge> to bad
15:40 <Romulus> efc you're going to have a birthright to be that common i'd think the only two partitions?
15:40 <Roge> i got room for 1 more project
15:41 <Roge> why are some tasks "waiting to run"
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15:45 <PovAddic1> test
15:45 <PovAddic1> crap
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15:46 <c0dewarrior> tested
15:46 <c0dewarrior> crapped
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15:54 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : I solved the ubuntu problem
15:54 <PovAddict> which
15:54 <PovAddict> what
15:55 <PovAddict> HUH
15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> the wrapper could not be started, I posted it yesterday or the day before here
15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> on the command line ubuntu said file not found
15:56 <PovAddict> oh yea
15:56 <PovAddict> what was it
15:56 <yoyo[RKN]> problem was: wrapper was compiled as 32 bit appl
15:56 <yoyo[RKN]> some Ubuntus can not handle 32 bit appl
15:56 <PovAddict> ohh
15:56 <PovAddict> gotta install some 32 bit libs
15:57 <yoyo[RKN]> now it is native 64 bit and runs without the 32 bit libs
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16:42 <xcamel> re-hi
16:43 <PovAddict> hmm some big plans showing up...
16:44 <PovAddict> multi-threaded boinc apps
16:44 <PovAddict> distributed thinking (brain-based distributed computing, like Stardust@Home)
16:45 <Romulus> Title: BoincBasics - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
16:47 <c0dewarrior> who manages Romulus ?
16:47 <MTughan> xcamel, I think.
16:49 <xcamel> here I is...
16:49 <xcamel> why?
16:49 <CoderForLife> I here too - hi
16:49 <c0dewarrior> hello xcamel
16:49 <c0dewarrior> hi hi
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17:21 <xcamel> er.. back too
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17:56 <xcamel> back again
17:57 <wdsmia> *lo Jay
17:58 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
17:58 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 67°F / 19°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Widespread showers and thunderstorms. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Isolated showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Low in the upper 40s. West wind (1 more message)
17:58 <wdsmia> &more
17:58 <Romulus> wdsmia: 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph decreasing to 5 to 15 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Wednesday - Sunny. High in the mid 70s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tornado Warning for Warren County in effect until 5:45 PM CDT on October 02, 2007;
17:59 <xcamel> 'lo Doug
18:00 <wdsmia> Hmmm rain gage says 2 inches so far
18:00 <xcamel> any helps, right?
18:01 <wdsmia> were not in a dought this year
18:02 <xcamel> well that's good.
18:02 <wdsmia> we just send it north
18:02 <xcamel> we still are to an extent
18:03 <wdsmia> our problem has been dry for weeks then 6 in in a day then repeat
18:04 <xcamel> ditto
18:05 <CoderForLife> hey Doug
18:05 <wdsmia> hey Don
18:06 <Romulus> so why would someone from Germany be calling my name...
18:06 <CoderForLife> I'd put a rain gauge if it wasn't so embarassing
18:06 <CoderForLife> I would hate to keep wiping the dust off it
18:06 <xcamel> lol
18:06 <wdsmia> tell them its a very small bird feeder
18:07 <CoderForLife> good plan
18:08 <wdsmia> the drive home was hell... people have forgotten how to drive in rain
18:09 <CoderForLife> less frequent than snow
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18:10 <MTughan> Hmm... Help for &weather says you can use "US/Can city, state", but "&weather Toronto, ON" returns 500.
18:10 <MTughan> "&weather Toronto" works just fine.
18:10 * CoderForLife listens to "Baba O'Riley" - and still loves that song
18:10 <MTughan> Watch CSI: NY?
18:11 <CoderForLife> just for the theme song?
18:11 <MTughan> Well, that's what I was implying, but if you like the show too.
18:11 <CoderForLife> and The Blue Man Group for their rendition on the tubular watchamacallits
18:12 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe (at www.xkcd.com)
18:12 <CoderForLife> that the Ballmer Effect?
18:12 <MTughan> Yep. ;)
18:12 <CoderForLife> it's going around today =)
18:13 <MTughan> It was actually posted yesterday.
18:13 <CoderForLife> yup - I had it waiting for me this morning from my son
18:13 * MTughan afk
18:13 <PovAddict> insanity: I have 300MB free ram
18:14 <PovAddict> and yes this is my new computer
18:14 <PovAddict> heck, I did a disk-intensive operation and now one of the 200MB-ram programs I was running got swapped! it's now struggling to get out of swap
18:16 <PovAddict> and trying to save some ram, I closed firefox
18:16 <PovAddict> where I had a LONG forum post half-typed
18:16 <PovAddict> -_-'
18:17 <PovAddict> anyway, I managed to get my dualcore 2gb ram into a crawl \o/
18:18 <PovAddict> 100mb working set, 240mb virtual memory... still has to unswap a bit more I guess :\
18:22 <xcamel> creepy crawler
18:22 <c0dewarrior> PovAddict: nothing new, needing 6GB for a "reasonable" desktop here
18:22 <PovAddict> you're more insane than me
18:23 <c0dewarrior> running firefox and other bloatware who's coders still needs to learn how to use "free" and "delete x"...
18:23 <PovAddict> I was running three instances of xdelta (two of them eating 400MB, the other 240MB)
18:23 <PovAddict> which is ram intensive by design
18:23 <PovAddict> if you need 6GB just for bloatware, you have one hell of a lot of bloatware
18:23 <c0dewarrior> run a lot of java, which instantaneously turns a dual core into a toaster with benefits
18:23 <PovAddict> ah that pretty much explains it
18:24 <c0dewarrior> agreed, a heck of a lot of bloatware
18:24 <PovAddict> Eclipse needs 300MB just showing its empty editor window
18:24 <c0dewarrior> and other nasty not-supposed-to-be-bloatware bloatware
18:24 <wdsmia> bbiab
18:24 <c0dewarrior> indeed
18:24 <PovAddict> I disabled most of the installed-by-default plugins, usage still high
18:24 <c0dewarrior> and nowadays X churns up hundreds of megs just keeping state of all the windows...
18:25 <c0dewarrior> PovAddict: it's hungry by design... most "well designed" pieces are imho
18:26 <c0dewarrior> </rant_complete>
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18:42 <xcamel> 5.10.21 looks like A-OK for standard linux.
18:42 <xcamel> winduhs version looks OK too.
18:43 <c0dewarrior> it released officially now?
18:44 <PovAddict> still marked alpha, but feel free to get it
18:44 <c0dewarrior> (and do you still need looking at the wxw stuff?(
18:49 <Romulus> Title: Roombas fill an emotional vacuum for owners - Tech News & Reviews - MSNBC.com (at www.msnbc.msn.com)
18:50 <PovAddict> lolpun
18:50 <PovAddict> first paragraph definitely talks about you, CFL
18:50 * PovAddict continues reading
18:56 <CoderForLife> they gotta have names... =)
18:56 <xcamel> yeah, because at some point I want to build a version with optimizations (much smaller exec)
18:56 <CoderForLife> mine are Huey, Dewey and Louie
18:56 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: heck, I don't even name my computers
18:56 <PovAddict> y'all have dozens so sure you need names ;)
18:56 <CoderForLife> *gulp* you DON'T??
18:57 <CoderForLife> mine are all named after Myst ages...
18:57 <PovAddict> this one's hostname is "dually", just because I needed a hostname...
18:57 <c0dewarrior> <-- on pegasus
18:57 <CoderForLife> Including ones named Myst and Riven
18:57 <c0dewarrior> He who names machines, creates life
18:58 <PovAddict> I don't see the point in "naming them after X" if I only have two currently, and any new one or replacement will probably come in *many* years
18:58 <CoderForLife> ah - that's a nice thought
18:58 <CoderForLife> My first Linux machine was named after the first age in the Myst series - Inception
18:58 <CoderForLife> Pentium 75
18:59 <CoderForLife> 128MB RAM
18:59 <CoderForLife> seemed fitting
18:59 <c0dewarrior> I'd have called it papyrus
18:59 <CoderForLife> not "stone tablet"?
19:00 <CoderForLife> or "bison blood on cave wall"?
19:00 <c0dewarrior> grin
19:00 <xcamel> cavemen - tonight - ABC - 8:00 PM!
19:00 <CoderForLife> lol
19:00 <xcamel> then season finale of eureka
19:01 <CoderForLife> I saw that
19:01 <c0dewarrior> Then the second season of Gaahhhhh
19:01 <CoderForLife> e-mail from SciFi earlier
19:02 <xcamel> wazzup with pegasus/razor
19:02 <c0dewarrior> talking to me?
19:02 <xcamel> are they really just trying to kill the whole thing off?
19:02 <c0dewarrior> nm
19:02 <xcamel> Don..
19:03 <xcamel> Battlestar G
19:03 <c0dewarrior> when's BSG due?
19:04 <xcamel> not sure..
19:04 <c0dewarrior> Been delayed way too long
19:05 <CoderForLife> BSG 2-hr episode "Razor" on 11/24
19:06 <CoderForLife> final season start in January
19:06 <CoderForLife> not sure what day
19:06 <c0dewarrior> jeepers, need to find something else to pass suppertime then
19:07 <CoderForLife> Razor previews look good - takes place aboard Pegasus
19:07 <CoderForLife> um, as you said, xcamel
19:08 <Romulus> Title: SCIFI.COM | Battlestar Galactica Razor DVD (at www.scifi.com)
19:09 <xcamel> anyone catch the price of the ST/TNG complete DVD set?
19:10 <xcamel> (20Th anniversary)
19:10 <CoderForLife> no
19:11 <xcamel> the box is the size of a cement block
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19:16 <xcamel> 'lo e
19:16 <efc> hey
19:27 <xcamel> how goes it?
19:28 <CoderForLife> I see $440, xcamel
19:29 <CoderForLife> hey efc
19:29 <CoderForLife> I'm off for the evening
19:29 <CoderForLife> cya folks back here soon
19:30 <xcamel> O*U*C*H
19:31 <xcamel> ST/TFCC
19:31 <xcamel> (the friggin cash cow)
19:37 <MTughan> Back.
19:37 <Romulus> Title: Coming soon to kindergarten class: antipiracy ed | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)
19:38 <PovAddict> teach kids not to pirate?
19:38 <MTughan> Seems so...
19:38 <PovAddict> looool retards
19:38 <PovAddict> they can never have enough money
19:38 <MTughan> O_O "Join the Â© Team"...
19:39 <PovAddict> I say, if they don't want me to pirate movies, give me a legal way to download them
19:39 <PovAddict> one that I can use without a credit card too (since I'm < 18)
19:40 <MTughan> Well, hopefully they'd be cheaper than DVDs. They don't have to make them.
19:40 <PovAddict> exactly
19:40 <PovAddict> whatever, some way to get legal movies without getting my ass off to rent a movie
19:40 <c0dewarrior> PovAddict: Credit cards are evil even if you're > 80
19:41 <MTughan> According to the article, they're targeting kids because message to the 15-24 age group isn't working.
19:41 <PovAddict> if there isn't any way, I'll get my illegal ones with even more convenience
19:41 <PovAddict> c0dewarrior: sure they may be, but they are *impossible to get* if you're < 18
19:41 <c0dewarrior> I want a copy of the @team software...
19:42 <PovAddict> "I bet these guys that are employed at entertainment industry barely passed elementry school themselves."
19:42 <MTughan> I have two suggestions for the movie companies: either stop making all these action films, or make DVDs available to legal download, as PovAddict said.
19:42 <MTughan> Anyway, bbiab.
19:42 <c0dewarrior> ditto, adieu
19:43 <PovAddict> they don't want me to get movies illegally -> give me a legal way to do it, DUH
19:45 <CoderForLife> quick back - this caught my eye - a neat story http://www.happynews.com/news/1022007/ala-couple-celebrate-80th-anniversary.htm
19:45 <CoderForLife> gone again
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19:50 <xcamel> that was cute..
19:54 <MTughan> 80 years, wow.
19:57 <Soul_keeper> compile compile compile go 5.10.21 go !
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20:05 <MTughan> I know this may not be the best way, but how is the password stored in a .htpasswd? A hash?
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20:30 <xcamel> cavemen was really weird.
20:34 <Soul_keeper> odd
20:34 <Soul_keeper> i got boinc 5.10.21 compiled and running
20:35 <Soul_keeper> benchmark results: 1215 float 1498 int
20:35 <xcamel> mine still wouldn't build boincmgr
20:35 <Soul_keeper> the first run of the benchmark was 1223/1604 tho
20:35 <Soul_keeper> not very consistent for some reason
20:36 <xcamel> benchies did seem a bit low
20:36 <Soul_keeper> 893 float 1400 int on my P4 with the binary installation tho
20:36 <Soul_keeper> 1394 float 1643 int on 5.10.0
20:37 <Soul_keeper> using benchmarking as a guage for just about anything is difficult at best and inherently flawed
20:37 <MTughan> With 5.10.20 on Mac, I get 1588.32 for float, 4450.15 for int.
20:37 <xcamel> 1716/3289
20:38 <Soul_keeper> i could easily add some different optimizations during compile and beef those benchies up, but i'd be making tradeoffs for precision in the code
20:38 <xcamel> dual amd opteron 248's
20:38 <Soul_keeper> nice
20:38 <MTughan> My P4 HT hits 1107/1708. Mac is Core Duo 2.0GHz.
20:39 <MTughan> Hmm... I'd thought that AMD processors were slower than Intel for the most part (other than when they came out with dual-core), but they seem to be doing pretty good.
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20:39 <MTughan> Better floating than the CDs, and maybe the C2Ds.
20:39 <xcamel> what's the command for svn update?
20:39 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, it all comes down to the optimizations in the code
20:39 <MTughan> True...
20:40 <Soul_keeper> it's really like throwing a dart
20:40 <MTughan> xcamel: Why wouldn't it be "svn update"?
20:40 <MTughan> Works here.
20:41 <Soul_keeper> an extra function/routine here or there in the code regardless of what it is, will change the entire benchmark results as gcc will interpret the code differently and organize it differently
20:41 <MTughan> But would it affect float and int differently?
20:41 <Soul_keeper> i ran into the same problems with my benchmark project
20:41 <Soul_keeper> could very easily
20:42 <MTughan> So one could go up, and the other down.
20:42 <Soul_keeper> yeah
20:42 <MTughan> Interesting...
20:42 <Soul_keeper> not to mention differing version of gcc
20:42 <MTughan> Yeah. Apple comes with 4.0.1.
20:42 <MTughan> And 4.2.1 just messes everything up.
20:42 <Soul_keeper> i just installed 4.2.1 today
20:43 <MTughan> It overwrites libgcc, which broke Rosetta.
20:43 <MTughan> Had a hell of a time getting that back.
20:43 <Soul_keeper> interesting
20:44 <xcamel> up didn't go - rerunning co
20:44 <MTughan> What is the MIME type for plain text?
20:44 <xcamel> wast-of-bandwidth
20:45 <xcamel> x/text
20:45 <MTughan> x/text? Okay... Doesn't seem to be what I remember.
20:45 <MTughan> Wait, I'm thinking of text/plain.
20:45 <xcamel> mime/txt
20:45 <xcamel> that's the one...
20:46 <MTughan> Which, mime/txt, or text/plain?
20:47 <Soul_keeper> i'm debating wether i wanna upgrade boinc on my c2d system too and compare benchies
20:47 <xcamel> text/plain
20:47 <MTughan> Okay...
20:48 <xcamel> my source still refuses to find wxw
20:49 <Soul_keeper> 3069 float 6288 int on the c2d with boinc 5.8.11
20:49 <MTughan> Nice...
20:53 <Soul_keeper> 2262 float 5761 int with binary 5.10.21 installation
20:53 <Romulus> and now the climate from 1920 to 2007 is the equivalent to your house?
20:53 <MTughan> So are the binaries slower? Or is that a different machine?
20:53 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.
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20:55 <Soul_keeper> i'm gonna compile from source now
20:55 <Soul_keeper> it should be faster
20:55 <Soul_keeper> i'll post the results when i run it
20:55 <MTughan> K.
20:56 <Soul_keeper> hmmm this could take some time
20:56 <Soul_keeper> i'm in the mood to upgrade gcc on that machine as well
20:59 <Soul_keeper> i'm compiling boinc now on it with gcc 4.1.2
21:01 <Romulus> Title: USB 3.0 brings optical connection in 2008 | Crave : The gadget blog (at crave.cnet.com)
21:01 <Soul_keeper> 3025 float 7184 int
21:01 <MTughan> Nice... Really really nice.
21:02 <MTughan> &calc 4450 / 7184
21:02 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
21:02 <MTughan> &math calc 4450 / 7184
21:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.619432071269
21:02 <MTughan> Wait, other way around...
21:02 <MTughan> &math calc 7184 / 4450
21:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.61438202247
21:02 <MTughan> 160% faster in the integer than the Mac binary on CD 2.0GHz.
21:03 <MTughan> &math calc 3025 / 1588
21:03 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.90491183879
21:03 <Soul_keeper> well my c2d is clocked around 3GHz
21:03 <MTughan> That's a bigger difference...
21:03 <MTughan> Okay, that would very well explain it.
21:03 <MTughan> Well, the integer ratings. Floating point has improved.
21:03 <Soul_keeper> &math calc 5761 / 7184
21:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 0.801920935412
21:04 <Soul_keeper> still a 20% boost comparing the binary to the compiled version on the same system
21:04 <MTughan> Not bad...
21:04 <MTughan> Just that the binaries are usually a little less hassle.
21:04 <Soul_keeper> and gcc 4.1.2 don't even explicitly optimize for the c2d
21:05 <Soul_keeper> as it was made before the c2d was floating around
21:05 <MTughan> Well, 4.0.1 can do SSE3.
21:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah they can do sse3 just not an mtune option for the c2d untill 4.2.x i believe
21:06 <MTughan> I'm not sure if 4.0.1 can even do mtune for any of the Intel Macs...
21:06 <MTughan> Nope. Just G3, G4, and G5, according to Xcode.
21:11 <MTughan> Oh, seems it can do a bit more... http://developer.apple.com/documentation/developertools/gcc-4.0.1/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-Options.html
21:11 <Soul_keeper> yeah with 4.1.2 the closest thing to a c2d is nocona
21:12 <Soul_keeper> i can't wait till 4.3.x becomes stable
21:12 <Soul_keeper> it has some nice features
21:12 <PovAddict> like?
21:13 <Soul_keeper> my benchmark project requires it to use the multithreading feature
21:13 <MTughan> That's actually with 4.0.1 Apple version.
21:13 <Soul_keeper> #pragma omp parallel for
21:14 <Soul_keeper> only supported in 4.3.x but it's buggy with lots of stuff like compiling the kernel ..
21:14 <MTughan> Well, 4.1.0 supports nocona anyway.
21:14 <MTughan> Hmm... 4.2 supports -mtune=native.
21:14 <PovAddict> &math convert 128MiB to bytes
21:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 128MiB is not a valid unit.
21:14 <PovAddict> &math convert 128MB to bytes
21:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 128MB is not a valid unit.
21:14 <PovAddict> oh
21:14 <PovAddict> &math convert 128 MiB to bytes
21:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: 134217728
21:15 <MTughan> I was just getting to that...
21:15 <MTughan> gcc4.2 also supports -mtune=generic.
21:19 <Soul_keeper> awww i guess only 4.3.x explicitly supports c2d
21:19 <MTughan> 4.3 docs don't seem to exist yet.
21:19 <Romulus> Title: Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) (at gcc.gnu.org)
21:21 <MTughan> Same options.
21:21 <Soul_keeper> no core2 in the first list but a core2 in the second
21:21 <MTughan> What are those for?
21:21 <Soul_keeper> c2d
21:21 <PovAddict> second is the 4.3 docs
21:22 <MTughan> SSSE3?
21:22 <PovAddict> &help wikipedia
21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: There is no command "wikipedia".
21:22 <PovAddict> aww
21:22 <PovAddict> &google SSSE3
21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.14 seconds: SSSE3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSSE3>; How to Properly Use SSE3 and SSSE3 (and Future Intel Vector ...: <http://www.macresearch.org/how_to_properly_use_sse3_and_ssse3_and_future_intel_vector_extensions_0>; Roger Sayle - Re: PATCH: Add SSSE3 builtin tests: <http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2006-12/msg01217.html>; Meissner, (2 more messages)
21:22 <Soul_keeper> yeah they all support sse3
21:23 <MTughan> Not SSE3, but SSSE3. One more S.
21:23 <Soul_keeper> ohhh
21:23 <Romulus> Title: SSSE3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
21:24 <PovAddict> there's wikipedia pages for SSE4 and SSE5 too
21:24 <MTughan> My screen is going to turn blue from all the links...
21:26 <Soul_keeper> lol
21:26 <Soul_keeper> i guess my c2d does have ssse3 support
21:26 <Soul_keeper> i never knew ...
21:26 <MTughan> Used to be referred to as SSE4.
21:27 <PovAddict> SSE4 has some interesting stuff
21:27 <Soul_keeper> and here i thought i was top of the game with regular old sse3
21:30 <PovAddict> "It has been rumoured that the Bulldozer core will feature a technology which allows the arithmetic logic units (ALUs) and floating point units (FPUs) of idle core(s) to be assigned to other loaded core(s) for processing and calculations, thus giving better single-threaded application performance."
21:30 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: SSE5 expected for 2009
21:30 <MTughan> So multi-threaded performance from single-threaded apps.
21:30 <Soul_keeper> cool
21:31 <PovAddict> SSE4 will be available on Intel codename Penryn CPUs
21:32 <MTughan> brb
21:33 <PovAddict> omg
21:33 <PovAddict> CPU and GPU on same die
21:34 <PovAddict> means insane bandwidths between them
21:36 <Soul_keeper> :)
21:36 <MTughan> And a bit of heat.
21:37 <PovAddict> designs from 10 to 100 Watts
21:37 <MTughan> O_O
21:37 <PovAddict> and there's also a new core design based on it, targeted at embedded devices
21:37 <PovAddict> 1 to 10 watts
21:37 <Soul_keeper> 5.10.21 compiled on gcc 4.2.1 with sse3 benchmark results: 3030 float 7200 int
21:37 <Soul_keeper> gonna try ssse3 now
21:38 <Soul_keeper> 3025 float 7184 int was the gcc 4.1.2 result so about the same
21:38 <MTughan> I'm still envious of you...
21:39 <PovAddict> did anybody read about BOLT and BOSSA?
21:39 <MTughan> You know why AMD can make a CPU and a GPU on the same die? Because they acquired ATI. Which I still don't like...
21:40 <MTughan> I liked ATI. Why did AMD have to go and buy them?
21:40 <Soul_keeper> it's not so bad
21:40 <Soul_keeper> atleast now we'll get opensource ati drivers :)
21:41 <MTughan> I still liked them better when they were Canadian owned and operated.
21:41 <MTughan> )
21:41 <MTughan> ;)
21:41 <PovAddict> ah so that's your reason... :P
21:41 <PovAddict> BOINC - volunteer computing
21:41 <PovAddict> BOSSA - distributed thinking
21:41 <PovAddict> BOLT - Web-based learning
21:44 <PovAddict> hmm let's try a larger window...
21:44 <PovAddict> &math convert 256 MiB to bytes
21:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: 268435456
21:44 <MTughan> What is that for?
21:44 * PovAddict gets ready to make his hdd suffer
21:44 <Romulus> the tentative plan is to take i can has cheezburger
21:44 <PovAddict> LOL
21:45 <MTughan> No, LOLCATS. :D
21:45 <Soul_keeper> hmmm -mssse3 causes the boinc configure script to error out
21:45 <PovAddict> laugh-out-loud cats: http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/sets/72157600296941365/
21:46 <PovAddict> whoa, at 256mb window size it uses 500MB of ram instead of 400...
21:46 <PovAddict> and I plan to run two at a time to take advantage of dualcore
21:47 * PovAddict works on some ram-freeing
21:47 <PovAddict> oshi-
21:47 <MTughan> What are you doing?
21:47 <PovAddict> 800MB VIRTUAL RAM EACH
21:47 <PovAddict> fun
21:47 <MTughan> What is this?
21:48 <PovAddict> two instances of make-mtughan-curious.exe running
21:48 <MTughan> lol
21:49 <MTughan> Haha, nice... http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/542585326/in/set-72157600296941365/
21:50 <PovAddict> I'm officially getting my 2GB of RAM into a crawl
21:50 <PovAddict> impressive
21:51 <Soul_keeper> lol you got too much free time
21:51 <PovAddict> I had to ctrl-c it, now running single instance
21:53 <freelarry> for povs exploits http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/567980833/in/set-72157600296941365/
21:53 <freelarry> should be about upgrading ram
21:53 <MTughan> Yep, it is.
21:54 <freelarry> ;)
21:54 <PovAddict> "I'd have to guess that immediately after this, he made like a shepherd and got the flock out of there?"
21:55 <MTughan> PovAddict! http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/645516692/in/set-72157600296941365/
21:55 <PovAddict> he is indeed
21:56 <MTughan> Remember the other ones...
21:57 <freelarry> humm me on trying to program or run nix http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/749893640/in/set-72157600296941365/
21:59 <freelarry> another one poking at programmers? (way before his time) http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/749032089/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:00 <PovAddict> no it's like
22:00 <PovAddict> forum threads
22:00 <Romulus> at the screensaver to make a large snail sort of watching primeval
22:00 <freelarry> lol here's early skype http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/774954112/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:01 <PovAddict> comparable reliability, sometimes
22:02 <freelarry> ;) off for some scifi
22:04 <MTughan> More threads...
22:04 <Romulus> Title: Laugh-Out-Loud Cats #96 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
22:04 <PovAddict> I think I'll wait for xdelta to finish before clicking another link
22:05 <PovAddict> not only ram-intensive, but also takes very good advantage of disk cache so I'd rather not have the cache flush
22:05 <MTughan> Hehe... Another one for you when you're ready. http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/855530844/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:06 <PovAddict> &calc 3*1024
22:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
22:06 <PovAddict> &math calc 3*1024
22:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: 3072
22:06 <PovAddict> ah, 72... I had it slightly wrong
22:06 <PovAddict> got confused with 8192
22:07 <MTughan> That's 8*1024...
22:07 <PovAddict> yep
22:11 <MTughan> Nice... 'Nuther "You're doing it wrong!" http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1032682302/in/set-72157600296941365/
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22:25 <MTughan> Haha! http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1266913887/in/set-72157600296941365/ "File not found." Says sector 404 in the background...
22:31 <freelarry> calling on #boinc http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1332428526/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:32 <Romulus> has somebody here experience with the backup tapes, all data
22:32 <freelarry> early mac http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1331541193/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:36 <freelarry> coders day http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1352250865/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:36 <PovAddict> rommie shush
22:45 <freelarry> at this time of year i wish it were this simple http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1404903792/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:46 <MTughan> I wish we had the snow ones.
22:46 <MTughan> 83% humidity, 18C, and won't budge lower, it seems.
22:46 <MTughan> Add on that that our A/C's broken.
22:46 <freelarry> extreme faith http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1404903626/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:46 <MTughan> lol
22:49 <freelarry> spacestation design team http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1411280608/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:50 <freelarry> MTughan you can enjoy my weather
22:50 <MTughan> Oh?
22:50 <freelarry> &weather 98366
22:50 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Occasional showers. Slight chance of an early evening thunderstorm. Breezy. Lows in the mid to upper 40s. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph decreasing to 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday - Occasional showers. Isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in (1 more message)
22:50 <MTughan> O_O
22:50 <MTughan> &weather Toronto
22:50 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 66Â°F / 19Â°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM EDT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Wind south 20 km/h (12 mph). Low 18C(64F).; Wednesday - Cloudy with sunny periods. 30 percent chance of showers in the afternoon. Wind south 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming west 30 km/h (19 mph) late in the (1 more message)
22:51 <freelarry> waiting for the first power outage of season to occur
22:56 <freelarry> today for me http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1421524034/in/set-72157600296941365/
22:56 <MTughan> Not Caturday though...
23:00 <PovAddict> did you notice the H's on all comics?
23:00 <PovAddict> H with sunrays
23:00 <PovAddict> like on top left of this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/1421524034/in/set-72157600296941365/
23:00 <Romulus> I'm mentally challenged to install screensavers on linux now
23:01 <PovAddict> Romulus I'll rip your ln-s plugin off
23:01 <MTughan> I don't see an H.
23:01 <PovAddict> MTughan: try full view?
23:01 <MTughan> Oh, now I see it.
23:01 <PovAddict> it's in all
23:40 <efc> moo
23:40 <MTughan> meep
23:41 <efc> &math convert 1 feet to hands
23:41 <Romulus> efc: 3