IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2007-10-08

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00:17 <tassimo> !help

00:17 <tassimo> ?help

00:17 <MTughan> &help

00:17 <Romulus> MTughan: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.

00:17 <MTughan> I assume that's what you were looking for...

00:17 <MTughan> 'lo efc

00:18 <tassimo> ?

00:18 <MTughan> What were you wanting?

00:18 <tassimo> never seen it with &

00:18 <tassimo> just ! or ?

00:18 <MTughan> I have one with ~.

00:19 <MTughan> If you look in the title of the channel, you can see it there.

00:19 <Soul_keeper> "remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have"  --Davy Crockett

00:19 <tassimo> aaah, the (&) say its the command. i dont know that

00:20 <MTughan> True, Soul_keeper... Very true.

00:21 <Soul_keeper> :)

00:23 <tassimo> i have to reboot

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00:24 <efc> I saw some report where some scientist had isolated the part of the brain that is used when choosing candidates

00:24 <efc> it was an emotional piece, not a rational one

00:24 <efc> basically.. a scientific condemnation of the ultimate fate of democracy

00:25 <MTughan> Hmm... Well, new XKCD comic up. New CAD if anyone is interested too.

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00:26 <tassimo> re

00:28 <tassimo> aah, damn. 6:30am, i have to go to work

00:28 <tassimo> cu at 3pm

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02:18 <MTughan> And I have to go off to bed. 2:15AM here...

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05:24 <CoderOnTheRoad> &weather 45140

05:24 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 66.5F / 19.2C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Near record highs in the lower 90s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 60s. Light southwest winds...increasing to west 10 to 15 mph (1 more message)

05:24 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

05:24 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: after midnight. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning. Cooler with highs in the upper 70s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

05:24 <Romulus> ok - in a warm up a better skin job on it because every thing in your neck of the full boinc tree

05:24 <CoderOnTheRoad> &weather Lake Buena Vista, FL

05:24 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 76.4F / 24.7C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a slight chance of showers. Highs in the lower 90s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 70s. East winds 5 to 10 mph shifting to the northeast around 5 mph (1 more message)

05:25 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

05:25 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: after midnight.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of afternoon showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 80s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

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05:26 <desti_T2> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/us/07halo.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

05:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11D7> (at www.nytimes.com)

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06:11 <quail> plink 71.166.159.154 (static-71-166-159-154.washdc.east.verizon.net)

06:18 <CoderOnTheRoad> hi quail

06:19 <CoderOnTheRoad> some in Washington DC, huh?  might be DoD  =)

06:30 <CoderOnTheRoad> off to breakfast, then sessions

06:30 <CoderOnTheRoad> laterzz

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07:00 <hawmps> 'lo

07:00 <hawmps> plunked

07:03 <hawmps> any gurus this morning?

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08:08 <crazy_bus> I had a seti account and I now want to join burp.  But I think the create new account button isn't working there for a little while.  Can I use my seti account for burp or link it in some way?

08:37 <desti_T2> no

08:38 <crazy_bus> so credits for each seperate project are seperate?

08:38 <desti_T2> yes

08:39 * ELGono uhhh yeaaa she's bak online

08:39 <ELGono> bash# hinv -v

08:39 <ELGono> 1 30 MHZ IP12 Processor

08:39 <ELGono> FPU: MIPS R2010A/R3010 VLSI Floating Point Chip Revision: 4.0

08:39 <ELGono> CPU: MIPS R2000A/R3000 Processor Chip Revision: 3.0

08:39 <ELGono> On-board serial ports: 2

08:39 <ELGono> On-board bi-directional parallel port

08:39 <ELGono> Data cache size: 32 Kbytes

08:39 <ELGono> Instruction cache size: 32 Kbytes

08:39 <ELGono> Main memory size: 32 Mbytes

08:39 <ELGono> Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 0

08:39 <ELGono> Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93A, revision 9

08:39 <ELGono> Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0

08:39 <ELGono> Iris Audio Processor: revision 3

08:39 <ELGono> Graphics board: GR2-XS with Z-buffer

08:39 <ELGono> she wasn't booting without prom batterie

08:40 <crazy_bus> I will look into it further when the registration button comes up.  But why do you need cat.jar to download the rendered files.  Applogies if this is the wrong channel.

08:42 <crazy_bus> sorry I mean catS.jar

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09:02 <E-30> hey

09:07 <Soul_keeper> yo

09:10 <desti_T2> lo

09:12 <MTughan> 'lo

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09:13 <MTughan> crazy_bus: Looks like you can join BURP. Let me just try something...

09:14 <E-30> hey how is everyone

09:14 <MTughan> Doing pretty good.

09:15 <E-30> cool

09:15 <MTughan> crazy_bus: Okay, yes you can make an account on BURP. Just not from the web interface.

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09:15 <E-30> ok

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09:16 <E-30> well kick ass again on bf 2142

09:16 <E-30> got 100 points in 4 hrs today

09:16 <E-30> 1000

09:16 <quail> quit bragging

09:16 <MTughan> That a game?

09:16 <Soul_keeper> i've never played bf

09:16 <quail> :-P

09:17 <Romulus> now that all i heard that about Huey

09:17 <E-30> lol

09:17 <MTughan> That the Huey 'copter?

09:18 <E-30> hell yea

09:18 <MTughan> That thing is a workhorse...

09:19 <Soul_keeper> i can't wait for ut3 to come out in november

09:19 <Soul_keeper> native linux support :)

09:19 <MTughan> lol

09:19 <E-30> yea i will be playing it then

09:20 <E-30> magakill

09:20 <E-30> tiem

09:20 <E-30> time

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09:21 <crazy_bus> I tried to join burp though boinc but I got a error MTughan

09:21 <MTughan> Oh...

09:22 <MTughan> I was just able to join it now.

09:22 <E-30> humm

09:22 <MTughan> Not sure what I'm going to do with that... Looks like I've joined another project. :)

09:26 <crazy_bus> hmm. I just tried again and it worked

09:26 <MTughan> Oh... Okay, maybe I haven't joined a new one. BURP doesn't have MacIntel apps.

09:27 <MTughan> Or Mac PPC apps.

09:27 <E-30> lol

09:28 <crazy_bus> why do you need the app anyway.  Why can't you download rendered pictures from a http/ftp site?

09:29 <MTughan> Because that's what actually does the work on your machine.

09:29 <crazy_bus> so boinc isn't the program that does the work?

09:30 <MTughan> BOINC is the program that brings them altogether.

09:32 <crazy_bus> I've got boinc installed and entered the website.  Where do I get the other software?

09:32 <MTughan> It's downloaded automatically by BOINC.

09:33 <MTughan> Should work on your machine. What Linux distro are you running?

09:33 <crazy_bus> kubuntu 6.10

09:34 <MTughan> Well, they say it's Linux/x86, so you should be fine.

09:34 <Romulus> well - it rats you out too - no alfalfa.

09:35 <crazy_bus> how big is the file.  As I can't see anything downloading

09:35 <MTughan> I don't know how big it is. Are you in the Simple or Advanced view in BOINC?

09:37 <crazy_bus> how do you tell?

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09:38 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/BOINCSimple.png Does it look similar to this?

09:38 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11GZ> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

09:39 <crazy_bus> nothing like that

09:40 <crazy_bus> lots of tabs and text

09:40 <MTughan> Okay, so you're probably on the advanced view. Kudos to you.

09:41 <MTughan> One of the tabs at the tops should read "Messages". Click on it.

09:41 <crazy_bus> I'm there now

09:41 <MTughan> Do you see any messages about BURP? If so, are any of them related to the platform?

09:42 <MTughan> I see "Message from server: platform 'i686-apple-darwin' not found".

09:43 <crazy_bus> I see them

09:43 <crazy_bus> messages.  But none like what yours says

09:43 <crazy_bus> it justs keeps on saying No work from project

09:43 <MTughan> Okay, take that as good then. You probably have the app.

09:45 <MTughan> Hmm... Looks like there is work. http://burp.boinc.dk/status.php

09:45 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at burp.boinc.dk)

09:45 <crazy_bus> but theres another app I saw in a video.  cats.jar  They used it to access the rendered files as they were completed.  Do you know the purpose of that?  And where you can find it?

09:45 <Romulus> yup only project that becomes the reference project wouldn't need yo sync with us now

09:46 <MTughan> "CATS is the Compact Automated Transfer System used for transfering raw results to users in an easy way as soon as the frames are finishd. CATS is developed in Java to be as cross-platform and easy to use as possible." http://burp.boinc.dk/opensource_dev.php

09:46 <Romulus> Title: Opensource Development (at burp.boinc.dk)

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09:46 <crazy_bus> so would I need CAT's if I waited until all files were finished?

09:47 <MTughan> It's probably just easier to leave it on your system. Is it not downloaded automatically?

09:47 <crazy_bus> but it's a java file.  And I don't particulary want to install java for just that

09:48 <MTughan> Hmm... Well, that's a harder need to address.

09:49 <crazy_bus> so is there any way to access rendered files without installing java?

09:49 <MTughan> I couldn't tell you. I don't know how BURP works.

09:52 <crazy_bus> I just readded seti but now it won't download work for it either it says: Mon 08 Oct 2007 11:53:44 PM EST|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: HTTP service unavailable

09:53 <crazy_bus> is that my computers fault or seti?

09:53 <MTughan> Looks like S@H is up and running as normal...

09:54 <MTughan> You can always try to force updating again.

09:55 <crazy_bus> by pressing 'update'  I've done that and I get the same errors

09:56 <crazy_bus> it just started working for some reason.  After failing multiple times (the seti one)

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09:59 <MTughan> Oh, BURP doesn't have any work.

09:59 <MTughan>     * Waiting: 0 WUs

09:59 <MTughan>     * Validated last 1hr: Stalled (N/A)

10:00 <crazy_bus> hopefully it will soon so I can see if it works.

10:00 <crazy_bus> thanks for all your help

10:00 <MTughan> Anytime.

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10:05 <cassmodiah> heyho

10:05 <MTughan> 'lo

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10:13 <cassmodiah> i have started boinc as a deamon to run in background :-p - now is in top the user boinc the processowner to boinc. is this an other process or started boinc as user boinc to handle it with my account and name??

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10:27 <crazy_bus> seti@home is now running but 'show graphics' is not working.  Is it meant to?

10:28 <ELGono> if running as system service, this behaviour is normal

10:29 <crazy_bus> I just remembered the windows client coming up with the graphics of the old seti client.  And wondered why nothing happened on the linux version

10:30 <desti_T2> there are no graphics

10:30 <Romulus> from where do I add projectnam.httpd.conf into my conky app...

10:34 <crazy_bus> when was the seti graphics panel removed?

10:35 <MTughan> Hmm... Just noticed in my BOINC too. S@H got HTTP unavailable about 20 minutes ago too.

10:37 <crazy_bus> is boinc data stored in the /home folder.  As I will be reinstalling soon.  But I have my /home on a seperate partition

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11:03 <MTughan> How many underscores are we going to tack on here?

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11:04 <c0dewarrior_> apologies, thanks to the incredible african service

11:09 <hawmps> re-hi

11:10 <MTughan> 'lo

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11:16 <MTughan> 'lo BB

11:17 <BadBarbarian> morning

11:17 <hawmps> 'lo BadB

11:17 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

11:17 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 48.4F / 9.1C | Humidity: 33% | Pressure: 23.74in / 803.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 10.1mph / 16.3km/h ; Today - Warmer...sunny. Highs 64 to 70. East 5 to 15 mph...then becoming light late in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 30 to 38. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy. Highs 67 to 73. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph in the (1 more message)

11:17 <BadBarbarian> &more

11:17 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: afternoon.;

11:18 <MTughan> Sounds nice.

11:19 <BadBarbarian> lol i dont know where they get there temp from but its 15 degrees colder here

11:19 <MTughan> Nice...

11:20 <MTughan> So closer to 32F, 0C?

11:20 <BadBarbarian> 35

11:20 <MTughan> Nickpicking, but that's 13 degrees. :P

11:22 <BadBarbarian> huh thats 3 degrees c

11:22 <MTughan> No, between 48 and 35.

11:22 <BadBarbarian> lol

11:22 <MTughan> Oh, I see...

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11:31 <MTughan> 'lo E

11:31 <E-30> hey

11:31 <E-30> well thing are back to what they need to be

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11:34 <E-30> het cfl

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12:30 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

12:30 <yoyo[RKN]> re

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13:04 <Soul_keeper> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34234/118/

13:04 <Romulus> Title: TG Daily - Scientist to create new lifeform from artificial DNA (at www.tgdaily.com)

13:17 <hawmps> idiots...

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13:18 <Linuturk> so, I've been running seti@home for a bit

13:19 <Linuturk> and, I've got something called "credit"

13:19 <Linuturk> that implies I can spend that somewhere?

13:19 <MTughan> No, it's just a measure of how much work your computer has done.

13:19 <Linuturk> ah

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13:19 <Linuturk> is 200 good?

13:19 <MTughan> Total?

13:19 <Linuturk> for 1 weekend?

13:19 <Linuturk> yeah, total. I just started this Friday

13:20 <MTughan> For one weekend, doesn't sound so bad for one computer.

13:20 <Linuturk> 2 puters . . .

13:20 <Linuturk> ;p

13:20 <MTughan> 2? Well, I'll check my stats...

13:20 <Linuturk> granted, one isn't very powerful

13:20 <Linuturk> Host 'Bentus', running Linux 2.6.20-16-server - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 1050 MHz; Up: 4d+6:17; Users: 3; Load: 1.02; Free: [Mem: 7/630 Mio] [Swap: 2000/2000 Mio] [/: 24454/27557 Mio] [/home: 42730/45617 Mio] [/media/hdb1: 240531/281675 Mio]; Vpenis: 79 cm;

13:20 <Linuturk> barely a 1 ghz

13:20 <PovAddict> Vpenis??

13:21 <Linuturk> apparently something the writer of the sysinfo script for irssi thought was a qualitative measurment of system stats

13:21 <MTughan> Okay, looks like my 2.0GHz Core Duo Macbook generated anywhere from 200-600 points a day over the weekend.

13:21 <Linuturk> ouch

13:21 <Linuturk> my work puter is a dual core

13:22 <Linuturk> but, it is a windows box

13:22 <Saenger> how much are still pending?

13:23 <Saenger> you don't get the credits asap, but only after validation on most projects

13:23 <Soul_keeper> http://lunatics.at/index.php?module=Downloads

13:23 <Romulus> Title: Downloads (at lunatics.at)

13:23 <Saenger> what projects is it btw?

13:23 <Soul_keeper> optimized seti apps

13:23 <Linuturk> 117.83

13:23 <Linuturk> pending

13:23 <Soul_keeper> greatly increases performance

13:23 <MTughan> Okay, so that's not bad.

13:23 <Linuturk> and, running SETI@home

13:24 <Saenger> under the name linuturk?

13:24 <Linuturk> no, jphelps

13:24 <Linuturk> should have put it under Linuturk though

13:25 <Linuturk> :-/

13:25 <Linuturk> yay

13:25 <Linuturk> now it is under Linuturk

13:25 <Saenger> you've got 2 puters: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu//hosts_user.php?userid=8719121

13:25 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11L-> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

13:26 <Linuturk> yeah Saenger

13:26 <Saenger> how long are they running per day?

13:26 <MTughan> Okay yeah. 200-400 points sound like something my 2.8GHz P4 WinPC would generate.

13:27 <Linuturk> this linux box is running 24/7

13:27 <Linuturk> windows box is set to idle while I'm working, so sporadic thoughout the day, and all night

13:27 <Linuturk> over the weekend, both should have been pounding away though

13:28 <Saenger> my old athlonXP2200+ made about 220 credits per day under suse9.1

13:28 <Soul_keeper> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu//hosts_user.php?userid=8246613

13:29 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11LA> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

13:29 <Soul_keeper> for some reason seti limits my athlon 2000+ to 1 wu per day,  everytime i try to fetch another one it says i've reached my "quota"

13:30 <Saenger> here's my old one, just without any results attached any more: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3009603

13:30 <MTughan> ##java is getting too busy for me.

13:30 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11LB> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

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13:31 <MTughan> My Mac: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3654180

13:31 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11LE> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

13:32 <MTughan> And my WinPC. I'm not sure why it's not computing right now. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=2423532

13:32 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11LF> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

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13:34 <Linuturk> i'll have to add it to my two other laptops

13:34 <Linuturk> and, I have a few cases sitting around that could be put to good use

13:34 <Linuturk> old 500mhz and the like

13:34 <Linuturk> but, every bit helps, right?

13:35 <MTughan> For sure.

13:35 <Romulus> I got some amazing star shots from Baja

13:38 <Soul_keeper> how can i remove the 1 wu per day quota on my athlon system for seti ?

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13:38 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: returning correct results

13:38 <MTughan> Should be set in web prefs.

13:38 <PovAddict> no, that quota is supposed to avoid invalid results

13:39 <PovAddict> if users could "set it", it would be quite useless

13:39 <PovAddict> each wrong result you return (or don't return in time) reduces your quota, each correct result increases it; until it reaches a limit

13:40 <PovAddict> and I think it's something like... wrong result: quota - 1; good result: quota x 2; so should be easy to get back good

13:41 <MTughan> But how often do computers return wrong results?

13:41 <Linuturk> the bigger question is, how do they know they are wrong?! ;p

13:41 <PovAddict> Linuturk: "computation error: segmentation fault" is clearly wrong

13:42 <PovAddict> corrupted output file is clearly wrong

13:42 <Linuturk> oui

13:42 <Linuturk> ;p

13:43 <PovAddict> and also, all workunits are sent twice: if result is way off what the other replication returned, one of the two is wrong, so a 3rd is sent

13:43 <Soul_keeper> ok i reset the project it still don't want to send me any wu's tho

13:44 <PovAddict> it will give you only 1 wu per day? crunch it correctly and your quota will increase

13:44 <PovAddict> link to that host plz

13:45 <Soul_keeper> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu//show_host_detail.php?hostid=2527219

13:45 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11LZ> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

13:45 <MTughan> "Maximum daily WU quota per CPU1/day"

13:45 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: see the list of results

13:46 <Soul_keeper> tderr out

13:46 <Soul_keeper> <core_client_version>5.8.11</core_client_version>

13:46 <Soul_keeper> <![CDATA[

13:46 <Soul_keeper> <message>

13:46 <Soul_keeper> process exited with code 2 (0x2)

13:46 <Soul_keeper> </message>

13:46 <Soul_keeper> <stderr_txt>

13:46 <Soul_keeper> setpriority: Permission denied

13:46 <Soul_keeper> execv: No such file or directory

13:46 <Soul_keeper> </stderr_txt>

13:46 <Soul_keeper> ]]>

13:46 <PovAddict> agh paste

13:46 <MTughan> Ah, permissions would screw it.

13:46 <Soul_keeper> heh

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13:47 <freelarry> update the core client?

13:47 <Soul_keeper> maybe the system needs a boinc update

13:47 <MTughan> Update or reinstall, I'd say.

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13:47 <freelarry> 5.8.11 very old

13:47 <PovAddict> full solution in few words: track that problem down, crunch the single workunit correctly and it will increase your quota a bit, crunch what the small quota increase lets you, and will increase more

13:47 <MTughan> Update then.

13:48 <freelarry> 5.10.21 seems nice

13:48 <MTughan> Isn't it still beta?

13:48 <freelarry> yeah but .20 is stable

13:49 <MTughan> But not for Linux. .8 is.

13:49 <freelarry> ahve .21 on all machines here right now and past week no problems

13:49 <freelarry> PovAddict isn't .21 on ubantu?

13:49 <MTughan> At least it's beta and not alpha.

13:50 <freelarry> so far haven't seen any problems with nix either

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13:51 <Linuturk> 5.8.17 on Ubuntu Feisty guys

13:51 <Linuturk> running good for me

13:51 <Linuturk> from the repos, mind you

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> how often should I create stats? Is every 24h enough?

13:54 <PovAddict> on renderfarm, since I didn't have thousands of users, I made it every 6 hours

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13:55 <PovAddict> few users -> not so "expensive" to generate stats often

13:55 <yoyo[RKN]> 1016 user @yoyo

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13:56 <yoyo[RKN]> all stat files ~ 350k

13:56 <PovAddict> cd to the tmp directory inside the project dir

13:56 <MTughan> IE7 doesn't require Windows validation anymore. http://www.news.com/Microsoft-disables-Internet-Explorer-7-validation-process/2100-1012_3-6212280.html

13:56 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11Li> (at www.news.com)

13:56 <PovAddict> tmp_g075 I guess

13:56 <yoyo[RKN]> you know my server better than I do ;)

13:57 <PovAddict> hostname shows on server_status page :P

13:57 <yoyo[RKN]> in tmp is only a empty db_dump.out

13:57 <PovAddict> yeah, usually you don't have anything there

13:57 <PovAddict> anyway

13:57 <PovAddict> erm lemme search something

13:57 <PovAddict> run this from the tmp directory

13:58 <PovAddict> time ../bin/db_dump -d 2 -dump_spec ../db_dump_spec.xml

13:58 <PovAddict> it will generate the stats; and having 'time' in front you'll know how much time it takes to do it

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> 2007-10-08 19:58:46.0699 [normal  ] db_dump starting

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> 2007-10-08 19:58:46.0751 [normal  ] Starting

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> 2007-10-08 19:58:48.4621 [normal  ] db_dump finished

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> real    0m2.410s

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> user    0m0.837s

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> sys     0m0.225s

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> 2.5 seconds :)

13:59 <PovAddict> then what's the problem with generating them every 5 minutes? :P

13:59 <PovAddict> nah, seriously... every few *hours*

14:00 <yoyo[RKN]> will set it to 6h, thx

14:00 <MTughan> Jammie Thomas is going to appeal the RIAA for the suit against her. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9792759-7.html

14:00 <Romulus> Title: Jammie Thomas to appeal $220,000 RIAA award | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)

14:00 <PovAddict> lol stupid cnet

14:00 <Romulus> in my family room so that makes it hard to beat

14:00 <PovAddict> the picture is BMP

14:01 <MTughan> Maybe they got it as BMP.

14:01 <PovAddict> so hard to save as jpeg for the article?

14:01 <MTughan> I think BMP is lossless though.

14:01 <PovAddict> of course, it's *uncompressed*

14:01 <PovAddict> png if they want lossless

14:07 <freelarry> humm just wondering about prime LLR type units - they run in wrapper and have very long times

14:08 <freelarry> seems under .21 they continue to run in memory after boinc says waiting to run

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14:09 <freelarry> but shares nicely it seems - cpu time continues to tick up as well as progress and est time doing as they are supposed to

14:09 <freelarry> so not a problems per sey

14:10 <freelarry> currently have sudoko and a LLR unit running on this single core simultaneously

14:10 <MTughan> Sudoku*

14:10 <freelarry> each using approx 50% cpu

14:10 * freelarry can never remember how to spell

14:10 <MTughan> lol

14:11 <freelarry> ;)

14:11 <freelarry> bbl time for some power witing and trash hauling

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14:46 <Soul_keeper> ok upgraded boinc from 5.8.11 to 5.10.21  on my athlon

14:47 <Soul_keeper> benchmarks went from  1590/2269  to  1183/2320

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15:00 <freelarry> sry Soul_keeper forgot about the bad bm of the new ones ;/

15:00 <PovAddict> he actually got higher fp

15:00 <freelarry> true

15:00 <MTughan> Higher int, not fp.

15:01 <freelarry> which one does seti use?

15:01 <PovAddict> well I dont know the order :P

15:01 <MTughan> fp is usually slower.

15:01 <freelarry> just called dump and found out thier open today so have to make a run

15:01 <MTughan> they're*

15:02 * freelarry at least for one load

15:02 <freelarry> lol never said i could remember much

15:02 <PovAddict> MTughan: you read the last xkcd comic about grammar nazis? :P

15:02 <MTughan> Yeah, so?

15:02 <PovAddict> we're two I guess :P

15:02 <freelarry> after 50 yrs guess you'll just have to put up with me

15:03 * freelarry is a dottering old forgetful something

15:04 * freelarry sees name of freelarry on screen and hopes his driver's liciense says the same

15:04 <MTughan> lol

15:05 <freelarry> or is that liceinse

15:05 <MTughan> license.

15:05 <freelarry> arggg forgot that even

15:05 <freelarry> bbl

15:09 <Soul_keeper> roughly similar

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15:54 <xcamel> re-hi

15:54 <MTughan> 'lo

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15:56 <MTughan> Oh, hey zombie67. I was wondering if you'd come.

15:56 <zombie67> sure, why not

15:56 <MTughan> Well, you had asked Nicholas.

15:57 <zombie67> yep

15:57 <MTughan> Oops. Nicolas, not Nicholas.

15:58 * PovAddict was about to hit you with an h

15:58 <MTughan> I checked the fourms. :)

15:58 <PovAddict> hmm wonder if I can somehow make pidgin stop blinking on new message

15:58 <MTughan> forums*

15:58 <MTughan> Should be a pref somewhere.

15:58 <PovAddict> &ping

15:58 <Romulus> pong

15:59 <PovAddict> &ping

15:59 <Romulus> pong

15:59 <MTughan> Dammit... VLC just crashed, and now the Dock just crashed.

16:00 <Romulus> some users would like it, I guess it's superbroken

16:03 <PovAddict> &ping

16:03 <Romulus> pong

16:03 <PovAddict> there *is* a setting

16:03 <PovAddict> but blinks anyway

16:03 <PovAddict> :|

16:03 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

16:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 24mph / 39km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ART; Partly Cloudy. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Thunderstorm. Low:57 F. / 14 C.; Rain. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:53 F. / 12 C.; Chance of Rain. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

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17:08 <xcamel> re-back-again

17:08 <MTughan> re-'lo

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17:33 <freelarry> finally dump runs done!  almost a 1000 lbs lighter in house

17:35 <PovAddict> freelarry: pm

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17:40 <CoderOnTheRoad> 'evening

17:41 <CoderOnTheRoad> anybody home?

17:41 <zombie67> I'm here

17:41 <xcamel> yep - sort of...

17:42 <MTughan> Same.

17:42 <CoderOnTheRoad> hello zombie67

17:42 <CoderOnTheRoad> hello xcamel

17:42 <MTughan> zombie67's from IMPFarm@Home.

17:42 <CoderOnTheRoad> hello MTughan

17:42 <xcamel> 'lo roadercoder

17:42 <CoderOnTheRoad> excellent

17:42 <MTughan> roadercoder... Love it!

17:43 <CoderOnTheRoad> roadercoder is cool - reminds me of roadkill

17:47 <CoderOnTheRoad> brb   ice

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17:48 <MTughan> What was that?

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17:51 <MTughan> 'lo

17:51 <MTughan> I forget your name again... Doug?

17:52 <wdsmia> *lo Michael

17:53 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

17:53 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 71F / 22C | Humidity: 36% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low around 50. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Sunny. High in the lower 70s. West wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 40s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;

17:54 <CoderOnTheRoad> back

17:54 <CoderOnTheRoad> hey Doug

17:54 <wdsmia> wb

17:54 <MTughan> Ah, it is Doug. :D

17:54 <zombie67> &weather 94568

17:54 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 80.7F / 27.1C | Humidity: 22% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009.4hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Patchy morning low clouds near the Bay. Otherwise sunny. Highs in the mid 60s to upper 70s. West afternoon winds 10 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s to mid 50s. West evening winds 10 to 20 mph.; Tuesday - Increasing (1 more message)

17:55 <MTughan> &more to see the rest.

17:55 <zombie67> &more

17:55 <Romulus> zombie67: clouds. A chance of rain late in the day... mainly near the Bay. Highs in the mid 60s to lower 70s. South winds 5 to 15 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Alameda County in effect until 12:00 AM PDT on October 09, 2007;

17:55 <zombie67> thanks

17:56 <CoderOnTheRoad> &weather 45140

17:56 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 89.6F / 32.0C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Scattered showers and thunderstorms late. Unseasonably warm with lows in the lower 60s. West winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Scattered showers and thunderstorms early in the morning. (1 more message)

17:56 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

17:56 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Cooler with highs in the upper 70s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Cooler with lows around 50. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

17:56 <MTughan> Ouch... We're all fairly hot today.

17:56 <MTughan> &weather Toronto

17:56 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 82°F / 28°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM EDT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. 60 percent chance of showers overnight. Risk of a thunderstorm. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 16C(61F).; Tuesday - (1 more message)

17:56 <CoderOnTheRoad> &weather Lake Buena Vista, FL

17:56 <MTughan> &more

17:56 <Romulus> MTughan: Cloudy with sunny periods. 60 percent chance of showers. Risk of a thunderstorm in the morning. Wind east 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming light in the morning. High 19C(66F). UV index 3 or moderate. Tuesday night cloudy periods. Low 12C(54F).; Wednesday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers. High 16C(61F).;

17:56 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 85.0F / 29.4C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 7.0mph / 11.3km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy through late evening then clearing. Lows in the lower 70s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny with a slight chance of showers. Highs in the upper 80s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 (1 more message)

17:57 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

17:57 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: percent.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows around 70. East winds around 5 mph.;

17:57 <MTughan> Bot's being pushed hard...

17:57 <CoderOnTheRoad> just knocking the dust off

17:57 * wdsmia checks to see if he joined the weather channel

18:00 <CoderOnTheRoad> oh, Happy Columbus Day

18:00 <MTughan> Great article for open-source... http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13554_1-9792477-33.html

18:00 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11PY> (at blogs.cnet.com)

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18:01 <MTughan> So Columbus Day in the US, Thanksgiving in Canada.

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18:02 <CoderOnTheRoad> also Sandie Berger Resurrection Day, apparently

18:02 <MTughan> lol

18:04 <MTughan> brb

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18:20 <xcamel> sandy burglar....

18:20 <CoderOnTheRoad> yup

18:21 <CoderOnTheRoad> I'm sure it was just a "sloppy moment"

18:24 <xcamel> slopy sox

18:24 <CoderOnTheRoad> and pants

18:38 <PovAddict> MTughan: interesting article indeed

18:39 <PovAddict> around a week ago I finally got my mom to start using Firefox instead of IE :P

18:39 <Romulus> i see is to disable everything in the last time i reboot

18:40 <xcamel> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071008.html

18:40 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2007 October 8 - Galaxy NGC 474: Cosmic Blender (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

18:40 <xcamel> nice one..

18:56 <CoderOnTheRoad> ah, nice

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19:00 <xcamel> quiet night...

19:01 <CoderOnTheRoad> yup

19:01 <Romulus> lol Larry.. my netcams were doing that anyway..

19:01 <xcamel> not much new on the boinc front...

19:02 <CoderOnTheRoad> nice (muggy hot) Florida evening

19:03 <xcamel> damn humid here too - still 70F

19:03 <xcamel> wow - no storms in your area either...

19:07 * wdsmia runs to the store bbiab

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19:13 <CoderOnTheRoad> hello efc

19:15 <CoderOnTheRoad> yeah xcamel - the high and low that were conspiring to pump rain in from the east apparently have moved on

19:16 <xcamel> we got a little more.. like .03"

19:16 * CoderOnTheRoad looks at home radar

19:17 <CoderOnTheRoad> nothing showing

19:17 <CoderOnTheRoad> &weather 45140

19:17 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 81.7F / 27.6C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Scattered showers and thunderstorms late. Unseasonably warm with lows in the lower 60s. West winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Scattered showers and thunderstorms early in the (1 more message)

19:17 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

19:17 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: morning. Cooler with highs in the upper 70s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Cooler with lows around 50. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

19:37 <CoderOnTheRoad> I'm going to flop on this here king size bed and watch TV - cya tomorrow

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19:37 <efc> moo

19:38 <xcamel> oink

19:42 <efc> darn the guy bringing home a hottie upstairs

19:46 <wdsmia> back

19:47 <xcamel> front..

19:49 <wdsmia> &ding

19:49 <Romulus> DONG!

19:50 <MTughan> &ping

19:50 <Romulus> pong

19:51 <wdsmia> &beer

19:51 <Romulus> Here's your beer, wdsmia... Now drink up before I slap you silly!

19:51 <MTughan> lol

19:53 <xcamel> anyone get google earth for linux working (fc7) ??

19:53 <wdsmia> just dont ask for coffee

19:53 <xcamel> &beer

19:53 <Romulus> Here's your beer, xcamel... Now drink up before I slap you silly!

19:53 <MTughan> I haven't tried. I can try.

19:54 <xcamel> somebody changed it...

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19:54 <MTughan> What was it before?

19:54 <xcamel> one would be too many, and a whole ocean wouldn't be enough...

19:55 <MTughan> Hmm... Sorry to say it, but I think this one is funnier.

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20:08 <wdsmia> brb

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20:15 <MTughan> xcamel: Attempting to get Google Earth installed on Fedora 7 on my VM now...

20:17 <MTughan> lol, it says 1280x720 is less than 1024x768.

20:18 <MTughan> xcamel: Seems to work fine.

20:21 <xcamel> mine won't log in...

20:21 <MTughan> Mine logged in just fine. Your Internet connection is fine?

20:21 <MTughan> Dumb question...

20:21 <MTughan> You're chatting on IRC.

20:22 <MTughan> The only thing I notice with mine is that it's really slow. Probably because graphics aren't great in a VM.

20:22 <PovAddict> try beryl inside the VM

20:22 <PovAddict> I guarantee it will suck

20:22 <MTughan> beryl? What is that?

20:23 <PovAddict> &jfgi beryl

20:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: http://ln-s.net/11Qp

20:23 <xcamel> compiz-fusion is waaaay better

20:23 <MTughan> Okay, thanks... I understand the acronym.

20:23 <MTughan> lol, page is blocked.

20:24 <xcamel> &jfgi compiz-fusion

20:24 <Romulus> xcamel: http://ln-s.net/11Qr

20:24 <MTughan> Blocked too.

20:24 <xcamel> still uses emerald

20:24 <PovAddict> it's the 'justfuckinggoogleit' site that you have blocked

20:24 <PovAddict> &google compiz-fusion

20:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.17 seconds: OpenCompositing.org: <http://www.opencompositing.org/>; Compiz.org :: Home/Start - Compiz: <http://compiz.org/>; Compiz Fusion » Welcome: <http://www.compiz-fusion.org/>; YouTube - Compiz Fusion : A Quick Demonstration: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w>; YouTube - Compiz Fusion Development: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ImW0-MgR8I>; Compiz Fusion - (2 more messages)

20:24 <xcamel> probably...

20:24 <MTughan> Not the site blocked. Page content that's blocking it.

20:26 <MTughan> Neither site explains what it is.

20:26 <MTughan> Just that it's a composite window manager. Well, what's that?

20:28 <MTughan> Okay, found some screenshots for Beryl...

20:28 <MTughan> That looks really nice. But yeah, I bet it's as slow as molasses in January on a VM.

20:29 <MTughan> Unless there are accelerated drivers that give it more access to the GPU here.

20:29 <PovAddict> last time I tried, I needed to install something to get usable 2D acceleration

20:29 <PovAddict> Windows inside VM

20:30 <PovAddict> and there was nothing for 3D

20:30 <MTughan> O_O There's a few files for download... Any idea what I want?

20:31 <MTughan> http://www.beryl-project.org/releases.php

20:31 <Romulus> Title: Beryl-project.org (at www.beryl-project.org)

20:31 <PovAddict> ...you'll try installing it on the VM? lol

20:31 <MTughan> Why not? Might as well try. :P

20:31 <PovAddict> :o

20:31 <PovAddict> fedora?

20:31 <PovAddict> might be in the package manager

20:31 <MTughan> What about?

20:31 <PovAddict> yum?

20:32 <MTughan> Oh, never though of that...

20:32 <MTughan> There is actually a graphical installer called pirut.

20:33 <MTughan> Okay, it is there. But just as many files as on the download page.

20:35 <PovAddict> dinner ->

20:36 <MTughan> Oh, that's nice... There is one big package to install everything you need.

20:40 <xcamel> something new:

20:40 <xcamel> http://lledgerock.com/hillary_d.jpg

20:40 <MTughan> Nice...

20:40 <xcamel> and  http://lledgerock.com/hreid.jpg

20:40 <MTughan> Where's Rommie?

20:41 <MTughan> lol

20:41 <xcamel> he's there...

20:41 <xcamel> &ping

20:41 <Romulus> pong

20:41 <MTughan> Oh, link titles is off?

20:41 <xcamel> no titles on the graphics

20:41 <MTughan> So? I've posted links to graphics and had him print a title.

20:42 <xcamel> on my sire...

20:42 <MTughan> Actually, just a link to it, but it's still there.

20:42 <xcamel> er site even

20:44 <Soul_keeper> hell i might just hafta get me a ron paul bumper sticker, even tho i don't have a bumper on my truck ...

20:45 <xcamel> get a fred thompson sticker...

20:45 <Soul_keeper> no way

20:45 <xcamel> rp has no chance

20:45 <Soul_keeper> lies

20:46 <xcamel> mr. 2%

20:46 <MTughan> Don't go and murder each other...

20:46 <Soul_keeper> lol much more than that

20:47 <xcamel> for steve schmegel.... he's at .00000000072%

20:47 <MTughan> Oh... Seems Beryl causes X to crash. :(

20:48 <xcamel> beryl isn't meant for VM

20:49 <MTughan> Well, I tried. :P

20:52 <MTughan> Actually, VMware provides a way to accelerate 3D graphics... However, it says that it's not fully supported on the GPU (Intel Integrated GMA950, piece of shit), and might cause the VM to crash. Gonna try it.

20:54 <xcamel> too warm, and way to friggin humid...

20:55 <MTughan> Darn... X still crashes.

20:57 <MTughan> I should really get on installing Fedora 7 on my PC. It has a proper graphics card. Albeit, 3 years old, but it's still a nice card. ATI AIW 9600XT, 128MB RAM.

21:02 <xcamel> linux+ati=trouble

21:03 <MTughan> I've run Fedora 6 on it fine.

21:03 <xcamel> never had good luck with it

21:03 <MTughan> Maybe the older cards have better support then.

21:05 <xcamel> their drivers get mighty stale....

21:05 <MTughan> Who says it's an ATI driver?

21:18 <xcamel> nobody...

21:18 <PovAddict> the OS inside the VM thinks it's a VGA card

21:28 <xcamel> that will always kill it.

21:47 <freelarry> finally got the power strips wired into the box so sometime tonight or tomorrow will start moving machines downstairs

21:48 <PovAddict> raining lots over here

21:48 <xcamel> looks like some more rain moving in...

21:48 <xcamel> 'lo Larry

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21:53 <freelarry> lo jay

21:54 <freelarry> guess i need to contact the isp about changing the internet tap to new room - just means the wife will be offline till it happens

21:56 <xcamel> lol

21:56 <xcamel> well...

21:56 <xcamel> off with me...

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22:00 <freelarry> i see that burp will cause the llc prime units to stop - nothing else has

22:01 <freelarry> at least for what i'm running

22:36 <MTughan> Hehe... Just noticed something. freelarry, you said you'd be changing the Internet tap to the new room, and that means the wifi will be offline. Except you said the wife will be offline. :P

22:36 <PovAddict> nope

22:37 <PovAddict> as I understand it, his wife's computer will be offline until he gets other connection mess sorted out

22:37 <PovAddict> or, typo :P

22:37 <MTughan> One of them. Wifi makes more sense to me though.

22:39 <MTughan> Oh, got Fedora 7 installed on my PC too. It's installing updates right now (220!), but I'll try Beryl after that.

22:42 <MTughan> Actually, some included GNOME 3D effects work right away. Window wobbling, gonna try workspace cube.

22:43 <PovAddict> Ctrl-Alt-DragYourWallpaper

22:43 <MTughan> Thanks. Works find.

22:43 <MTughan> fine*

22:44 <MTughan> Oh, I seem to get slightly transparent titlebars too.

22:44 <MTughan> Hehe... Even menus wobble.

22:44 <PovAddict> move a window half off-screen, and drag cube

22:45 <MTughan> Okay, that's wicked...

22:45 <PovAddict> you could have a video playing there

22:45 <MTughan> Don't happen to have any videos ATM.

22:48 <MTughan> Windows fade in and out too... It's just sweet.

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22:52 <MTugha1> Not sure why it took off the "n"...

22:53 *** MTugha1 is now known as MTughan_

22:53 <MTughan_> This be pidgin on Fedora 7 on my PC.

22:54 <MTughan> Okay, that's cool... Menus and popups in applications wobble too.

22:57 <MTughan_> Pidgin needs to work on their commands... /leave isn't supported.

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23:00 <MTughan> Whoa! Maximizing a window is cool too!

23:01 <MTughan> Same goes for minimizing.

23:05 <MTughan> brb

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23:10 <MTughan> 'lo PITS_9252

23:21 <PovAddict> use /part instead of /leave

23:21 <MTughan> Oh. Well, I quit it anyway.

23:34 <quail> plink 219.153.32.201 (201.32.153.219.broad.cq.cq.dynamic.163data.com.cn)

23:35 <quail> plink 203.71.232.3 (saturn.meiho.edu.tw)

23:35 <quail> plink 58.241.84.43 (unknown)

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23:49 <BadBarbarian> evening everyone

23:49 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

23:50 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 41.9F / 5.5C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 23.77in / 804.9hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 33 to 39. Light winds.; Tuesday - Warmer. Partly cloudy. Highs 68 to 74. South winds 15 to 20 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 36 to 42. South winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.;

23:50 <BadBarbarian> cool its warming backup lol

23:53 <MTughan> Cool... Beryl works on my PC.

23:53 <BadBarbarian> beryl ?

23:54 <MTughan> I guess you weren't here... Alternate window manager for Linux.

23:54 <BadBarbarian> ahh

23:55 <BadBarbarian> i have a linux box on seti but i am mainly xp

23:55 <BadBarbarian> wish i had learned when i was younger lol

23:56 <BadBarbarian> back in the sco unix days lol

23:59 <MTughan> Whoa... I can have 3D windows on the desktop cube...

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