IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2007-10-13

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00:01 <MTughan> Argh... FreeType doesn't work quite right... "/usr/local/include/ft2build.h:56:38: error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory"

00:01 <PovAddict> configure might have a --with-freetype=/path/to/it/

00:01 <MTughan> I've got to find it first. /usr/local/include/freetype doesn't exists.

00:02 <PovAddict> how did you get freetype?

00:02 <MTughan> Damn you... It's in /usr/local/include/freetype2/freetype/config...

00:03 <MTughan> From ft2build.h: "- Adding `/usr/local/include/freetype2' to your compilation include path will not be necessary anymore. " >_>

00:05 <MTughan> Ah, forget. I'll just make a softlink.

00:05 <MTughan> There we go.

00:06 <MTughan> All this work for BURP... I hope they appreciate it.

00:06 <PovAddict> they will if you describe in a complete way all the hoops you had to jump thru to get it working

00:07 <MTughan> True... Well, BOINC compiled fine. After BOINC was there, glue2 compiled fine. Blender's been the real pain.

00:07 <MTughan> Actually, not too much. Just check it out, patch it, install freetype, make a softlink...

00:08 <MTughan> Just figuring those steps out, that's been the hard part.

00:08 <MTughan> Hey, new CAD should be up...

00:08 <PovAddict> did you see how the last 10 comics start in I?

00:08 <PovAddict> the title I mean

00:08 <MTughan> No...

00:09 <MTughan> Nice...

00:09 <PovAddict> well it's actually all starting in In or Im

00:09 <MTughan> Better make that 11... "Imperiled."

00:09 <PovAddict> yep

00:10 <MTughan> Holy crap... 12 missing header files...

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00:20 <MTughan> Gah... PovAddict: Know any way to change include paths?

00:20 <PovAddict> -Ipath

00:21 <MTughan> Not in a switch. Permanently.

00:21 <PovAddict> configure script might have a way to add CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS

00:21 <PovAddict> include paths aren't in any permanent place

00:21 <MTughan> Gah... Well, I'll try compiling again.

00:23 <MTughan> Do you know if make can take a switch for GCC?

00:23 <PovAddict> all configure scripts autoconf have a way to set it...

00:24 <MTughan> This is blender. I don't think it came with a configure...

00:24 <PovAddict> oh

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00:25 <PovAddict> seems you're supposed to edit the .mk files :\

00:25 <PovAddict> patchset HOWTO has some notes for FreeBSD: Need to add CPPFLAGS += -I$(OPENGL_HEADERS) to

00:25 <PovAddict> so I guess that's where you add the switches

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00:27 <MTughan> Thanks, that was it. Do you know what CXXFLAGS are?

00:28 <MTughan> And I actually just had to add one path to include.

00:28 <PovAddict> one way to write "C++ Flags" when CPPFLAGS was used for "C PreProcessor Flags"

00:29 <MTughan> So that's three libraries and three hacks so far...

00:30 <MTughan> Just for Blender to compile.

00:30 <MTughan> Oh sh*t... And now it can't find SDL.

00:30 <PovAddict> I say ask in the forum now, since I don't see why you'd need SDL for the renderer

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00:38 <MTughan> Well, I thought I couldn't split...

00:41 <MTughan> Okay, SDL working. 'Nuther hack...

00:47 <MTughan> Hmm... Any idea what libintl.h is?

00:47 <PovAddict> international

00:47 <MTughan> Google doesn't seem to turn up too much...

00:47 <MTughan> I know it's with internationalization, but it's missing.

00:51 <MTughan> Gah... #include "libintl.h"

00:51 <MTughan> Nothing named libintl.h in the package...

00:51 <PovAddict> normal quotes? o.o

00:51 <PovAddict> try yet another hack: replace with <libintl.h>

00:51 <MTughan> Hehe... Even SDL was used with normal quotes. #include "SDL.h"

00:52 <MTughan> That's what my hacks were for that.

00:52 <MTughan> Still not found...

00:53 <MTughan> libintl.h is supposed to come with GCC?

00:54 <PovAddict> I doubt it, but it should be a fairly standard library imho

00:55 <MTughan> Well, it's not found... Google doesn't seem to turn up anything, but libintl.h isn't the library name...

00:55 <MTughan> libintl by itself turns up more valuable stuff...

00:55 <PovAddict> well yeah

00:56 <MTughan> Well, two Windows links. One for GnuWin32, and the other for Cygwin. Also seen some for Linux...

00:56 <PovAddict> ohh

00:56 <PovAddict> it's part of gettext

00:56 <MTughan> That's what I want. Thanks.

00:58 <MTughan> Okay, so 5 libraries now. At least 4 hacks (that I remember), although I think there's one missing... And that doesn't include fixing libintl location.

01:03 <MTughan> Gah, gettext is huge.

01:07 <MTughan> Ugh... Still more to do. I have to be up at 6AM tomorrow, and it's past 1AM now... I have to go. I'll figure it out tomorrow.

01:07 <MTughan> Anyway, thank you very much for all your help.

01:07 <PovAddict> np

01:07 <PovAddict> bye

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01:43 <zombie67> hmmm

01:43 <zombie67> lhc says 2 per machine per day?

01:43 <PovAddict> 2 per CPU per day

01:43 <zombie67> I think they are issuing more than that

01:46 <zombie67> 2 per cpu?  are you sure?

01:46 <PovAddict> go to your host details page

01:47 <zombie67> i can't find the post where the "2" came from

01:47 <zombie67> ok , just a sec

01:48 <zombie67> gah, i think you're right

01:49 <zombie67> tank_master was in the bay area this week

01:50 <zombie67> I was able to unload 3 p4s and 1 p3.  Just too expensive to run them vs. 8 core machines

01:50 <zombie67> he gets his power free at work

01:51 <zombie67> in that scenario, it makes sense for lots of slow machines

01:51 <zombie67> in mine, entry cost is less important than energy costs

01:52 <zombie67> brb

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01:59 <zombie67> Ah!  I didn't read closely enough (again).  Neasan said "As Alex has said it is just a temporary measure to keep some jobs up for new users, also the quota is per CPU not user or IP so people with more than one machine should get 2 on each. Sorry some of the jobs were short ones but AFAIK they are not all quick ones."

01:59 <PovAddict> retarded client isn't following the deferral

01:59 <PovAddict> retarded server is resetting timer on each request, succeeded or not

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02:00 <PovAddict> end result: your client retries waiting less than an hour, and request keep failing for a long while

02:00 <zombie67> i noticed that

02:00 <PovAddict> if it tried consistently every 30 minutes (which it shouldn't; client's fault), it will always fail, instead of succeeding one out of two (server's fault)

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02:04 <zombie67> I don't understand why they put upgrading the server so low on their to-do list

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02:27 <PovAddict> omfg 3:30 am

02:28 <PovAddict> I'm outta here

02:28 <PovAddict> oh btw zombie67: there may be a new non-cpu-intensive project involving lots of data downloading ;)

02:28 <PovAddict> (hopefully with some speed limit of course!)

02:28 <PovAddict> byE

02:29 <zombie67> i am in!

02:29 <zombie67> bye

02:34 <PovAddict> "XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more."

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05:44 <E-30> hey

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07:25 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

07:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 39.4F / 4.1C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. Light and variable winds...becoming west 5 to 10 mph late this morning and afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. Light northwest winds...becoming east after midnight.; Sunday - (1 more message)

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07:26 <CoderForLife> morning c0dewarrior

07:26 <CoderForLife> &more

07:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

07:26 <c0dewarrior> afternoon

07:26 <CoderForLife> I am home again

07:27 <c0dewarrior> welcome back

07:28 <CoderForLife> thanks - it's VERY good to be home

07:28 <CoderForLife> I am no roadwarrior, c0dewarrior

07:29 <c0dewarrior> hehehehe

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08:08 <xcamel> 'lo

08:08 <CoderForLife> hello

08:10 <ELGono> moo

08:11 <ELGono> looks like i'll equal einstein and cpdn today

08:11 <ELGono> 722k cs each

08:11 <CoderForLife> hey ELGono

08:11 <xcamel> 'lo Don, ElG,

08:12 <CoderForLife> morning Jay - I'm home at last

08:12 <xcamel> back to reality...

08:12 <CoderForLife> yep - real life

08:13 <CoderForLife> I seem to have a LHC wu

08:13 <CoderForLife> ready to report

08:14 <CoderForLife> "reached daily quota if 2 results"

08:14 <CoderForLife> of*

08:17 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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08:20 <E-30> hey cfl

08:21 <E-30> &weather wiesbaden

08:21 <Romulus> E-30: Temperature: 67.5°F / 19.7°C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028.0hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM CEST; Partly Cloudy. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Clear. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Clear. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Clear. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Clear. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

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08:25 <CoderForLife> back

08:26 <xcamel> 39F here...

08:26 <xcamel> frosty overnight

08:26 <CoderForLife> looks like 40 currently here

08:27 * CoderForLife starts going through a weeks' worth of junk mail

08:28 <CoderForLife> a couple of ominous envelopes from the Ohio Secretary of State...

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08:29 <CoderForLife> wb E-30

08:29 <CoderForLife> the state has noticed that I moved and is supplying me forms to register to vote

08:29 <E-30> lol

08:30 <CoderForLife> I guess that's despite already registering and voting in my new precinct

08:30 <E-30> oh well it hapens

08:31 <CoderForLife> my wife got a letter too - that's after registering at the same time I did, not being shown as a registered voter when the election came, and then getting her registration confirmation about 8 months later

08:32 <E-30> lol that our system

08:32 <E-30> fuck up ha

08:32 <E-30> oh well i dont car any more

08:32 <CoderForLife> and I am supposed to trust them with Social Security?

08:32 <E-30> as long as i can vote

08:32 <E-30> lol yea right you cant

08:33 * CoderForLife continues through the mail from last week

08:33 <CoderForLife> United Way thanks me for the recent extor^H^H^H^H^Hcontribution

08:33 <E-30> haha

08:34 <E-30> on well i jest looek through my mail and had out of 45 msg 30 were porn

08:34 <E-30> i hat taht

08:34 <E-30> hate that

08:38 * CoderForLife continues through the mail from last week

08:39 <CoderForLife> 5 credit card offers so far

08:41 <E-30> lol

08:41 <CoderForLife> 6

08:42 <E-30> wow

08:42 <xcamel> try 'lifelock'

08:42 <CoderForLife> 3 re-fi

08:42 <E-30> lol

08:42 <E-30> wow

08:44 <CoderForLife> 2nd offer from Amercian Express

08:45 <E-30> lol

08:45 <E-30> well i got some pics of my computer now

08:47 <E-30> where is a good place to upload to

08:47 <CoderForLife> Flickr?

08:48 <E-30> ok

08:48 <CoderForLife> that was a question =)

08:48 <E-30> i dont know

08:48 <CoderForLife> and I'm not recommending =)

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08:49 <E-30> i will try it out

08:49 <CoderForLife> I'm at 9 credit card offers in the last week

08:50 <CoderForLife> here's one for my son - American Express Gold

08:51 <CoderForLife> he's a full-time college student - his annual income is exactly zero

08:51 <E-30> lol

08:51 <E-30> well i had 30 the past week

08:54 <xcamel> sounds about right...

08:55 <E-30> wow xcamel

08:56 <E-30> hey go on flicker and look up selfridge2000

08:56 <E-30> i have my computer pics there

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09:03 <xcamel> wow?

09:03 <E-30> what

09:07 <CoderForLife> can't find selfridge2000

09:07 <E-30> dam

09:07 <E-30> whats your flicker name

09:08 <E-30> look up

09:08 <E-30>

09:08 <E-30> one of the two shuld work

09:09 <CoderForLife> I don't have a flickr name

09:10 <CoderForLife> is this it?

09:10 <Romulus> <> (at

09:10 <E-30> yep

09:10 <E-30> oh i see

09:11 <CoderForLife> are those LCDs suspended?

09:11 <E-30> yea

09:11 <CoderForLife> wow

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09:12 <E-30> it was hard to do that

09:12 <CoderForLife> Dell was bragging on their AlienWare brand this past Wednesday at the Symposium

09:12 <E-30> i heard abaout that

09:13 <CoderForLife> you've got a chiller running?

09:13 <CoderForLife> plumbing?

09:13 <E-30> water cooling

09:14 <E-30> oc by 1ghz now

09:14 <E-30> snd video card is cool now

09:15 <CoderForLife> zounds

09:15 <E-30> it cools the whole system

09:15 <xcamel> quite a setup

09:15 <CoderForLife> I'd say

09:16 <E-30> well i put a lot in to it

09:16 <CoderForLife> does the power supply have a fan?

09:16 <E-30> it pulls 1400 on qmc right now

09:16 <xcamel> rac?

09:16 <E-30> yea

09:17 <xcamel> I'm pulling 4276 right now...

09:17 <E-30> that computer alone is pulling that much

09:17 <xcamel> it's a real horserace to see of seti or qmc gets to 1 million first...

09:18 <E-30> wow

09:18 <E-30> well i got tow more amd 64 3000 on now

09:18 <E-30> to qmc

09:18 <xcamel>

09:18 <Romulus> <> (at

09:18 <E-30> i see some else came in and kick oure ass in rac in qmc

09:19 * CoderForLife paddles along at 3205 RAC on QMC

09:19 <E-30> wow

09:19 <CoderForLife> Doug is really cranking

09:19 <xcamel> he added some boxes...

09:20 <xcamel> I just got larry, moe, and curly back on line after 6 months...

09:20 <E-30> 3412.50 is my rac right now

09:20 <E-30> wow

09:20 <E-30> well i have donkey, chris ,danny, and my laptop on now

09:21 <xcamel>  >> 1,304.58 rac

09:21 <E-30> wow

09:21 <E-30> how meny computer do you have

09:22 <xcamel> 10 active

09:22 <E-30> i have 7

09:22 <xcamel> some are really old

09:23 <E-30> i take tahat back i lost 2

09:23 <E-30> i have 5 working now

09:24 <E-30> 2 are amd 64 3000 and one p4 1.8 ghz

09:24 <E-30> 2 c2d 6600

09:28 <CoderForLife> I need to take a walk around the house and look at the bird feeders

09:28 <CoderForLife> bbiab

09:28 <E-30> ok lol

09:33 <Soul_keeper> lol E-30

09:33 <E-30> why

09:33 <Soul_keeper> you must be loaded with dough

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09:33 <Soul_keeper> :)

09:34 <E-30> i been working on my gamming computer sence last nov

09:39 <Soul_keeper> heh

09:39 <Soul_keeper> are the parts outdated now ?

09:39 <E-30> it been a work in progress

09:39 <Soul_keeper> i never like peicing a system together, i rather save the money for a year and then get it all at once

09:40 <Soul_keeper> cheaper, and you get more up to date parts that way

09:40 <E-30> cd2 6600 oc toe 3.4 ghz and 2 gig or ram and 8800 gts

09:42 <E-30> about 300 dolers worth in parts total

09:42 <E-30> 3000

09:44 <Soul_keeper> nice

09:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: what adjustment do I know from when that window have to go to w@#% - later....

09:47 <Soul_keeper> hmmm no work today cause it's raining ...

09:47 <E-30> wow

09:47 <E-30> how is that

09:47 <Soul_keeper> can't do line striping in parking lots in the rain

09:47 <E-30> oh yea an 1 tb of hd space

09:48 <E-30> true

09:48 <E-30> lol

09:48 <Soul_keeper> ha 1tb

09:49 <E-30> yea and it is mosly full

09:49 <E-30> of amine

09:50 <E-30> 403 gb of amine right now

09:50 <E-30> 51 gb of music now

09:51 <Soul_keeper> anime is for lonely kids that think they are asian

09:51 <E-30> lol naa

09:51 <Soul_keeper> anime will never compare to the true american cartoons of the 80's and before

09:51 <E-30> i have some

09:51 <Soul_keeper> like  trans formers, heman, alf, thunder cats etc.

09:52 <Soul_keeper> lol

09:52 <E-30> lol

09:55 <E-30> well off to make a key

09:59 <Soul_keeper> late

10:16 <CoderForLife> back

10:19 <Soul_keeper>

10:19 <Romulus> <> (at

10:19 <Soul_keeper>

10:19 <Romulus> <> (at

10:19 <Soul_keeper> hmmmm my truck says i got a w46

10:19 <Soul_keeper> i wonder if a w55 or later 5spd  would be bolt compatible for my engine

10:20 <Soul_keeper> i want a 5spd instead of 4spd

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10:43 <xcamel> re back

10:43 <BadBarbarian> morning X

10:44 <BadBarbarian> 28 degrees F here this morning

10:45 <ELGono> &math convert 28 F to C

10:45 <Romulus> ELGono: -2.22222222222

10:45 <ELGono> &weather meiningen, germany

10:45 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 7km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM CEST; Partly Cloudy. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Clear. Low:37 F. / 3 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:46 F. / 8 C.;

10:46 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

10:46 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 30F / -1C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Today - Cooler. Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers early in the morning...a chance of thunderstorms in the late morning and afternoon. Highs around 45 on the North Rim to around 75 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming west around 15 mph early (2 more messages)

10:47 <BadBarbarian> &more

10:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: in the afternoon...then becoming light late in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 10 percent chance of rain showers in the evening...partly cloudy after midnight. Lows around 26 on the North Rim to around 47 along the Colorado River. West winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 50 on the North (1 more message)

10:47 <BadBarbarian> &more

10:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Rim to around 78 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

10:47 <xcamel> 'lo BB

10:48 <BadBarbarian> lo xcamel

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10:51 <CoderForLife> hello BadBarbarian

10:51 <BadBarbarian> howdy CFL

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11:06 <E-30> ok i am back got the new key too ytea

11:06 <E-30> yea

11:11 <E-30> &weather wiesbaden

11:11 <Romulus> E-30: Temperature: 57.2°F / 14.0°C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 30.35in / 1027.7hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 3.1mph / 5.0km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM CEST; Partly Cloudy. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Clear. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Clear. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Clear. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Clear. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

11:15 <E-30> well off to game now

11:16 <E-30> _-\||/-_

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11:38 <xcamel> still pretty nippy out

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11:43 <CoderForLife> 74F in the sun

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11:59 <CoderForLife> so does this go clockwise or anticlockwise for you?,23739,22556678-23272,00.html?from=mostpop

11:59 <Romulus> <> (at

12:04 <xcamel> very strange thing going on there...

12:11 <PovAddict> I see it clockwise, and I still can't focus enough to change the direction, but the description definitely doesn't match me

12:12 <PovAddict> wait, is it "clockwise as seen from above"?

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12:28 <xcamel> it keeps switching on me - I mus be bi-polar

12:28 <xcamel> :^/

12:28 <PovAddict> is it "clockwise as seen from above"?

12:28 <Romulus> i still like my big army tent ant the chaos communication congress

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12:35 <PovAddict>

12:35 <Romulus> <> (at

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12:42 <E-30> ok i am back now

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14:06 <MTughan> Damn modem dropped out on me...

14:07 <MTughan> Anyway, I have a "free" LEGO Mindstorms NXT kit for the weekend. :D

14:07 <PovAddict> lolwut

14:08 <PovAddict> gonna use the graphical programming system, or NXC?

14:08 <MTughan> My school's participating in a robotics comp, and we got our kit today. No one else really wanted to keep it over the weekend, so I get to play around with it.

14:08 <PovAddict> cool

14:08 <MTughan> Not sure yet... I'd probably be using leJOS if I were to use something besides the GUI.

14:09 <PovAddict> wow I didnt know leJOS had an NXT version already

14:09 <MTughan> They have a beta of it.

14:09 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Glad to see you back. That yoyo@home WU I got on the 10th: it's still at 12.5%.

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14:11 <PovAddict> how the f00k did they make a JVM in 10KB of code??

14:11 <MTughan> Very carefully. :P

14:11 <MTughan> And it's not a full JVM, as I know.

14:11 <PovAddict> well, I'm reading about the older TinyVM

14:12 <PovAddict> 10KB, no gc, no floating point (there's no hardware support for that, at least on the RCX), no switch, no strings

14:12 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan : a wu can need up to 40h to finish

14:12 <MTughan> This has been running for probably about 30h total.

14:12 <MTughan> Probably more.

14:14 <PovAddict> oh, NXJ doesn't have a gc either

14:14 <PovAddict> I'd have expected they could do it now...

14:14 <PovAddict> more space for code

14:16 <MTughan> Holy crap... My notification system (Growl) is taking 175MB of RAM...

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14:31 <c0dewarrior> sounds like everything these days

14:31 <Romulus> ill try using that walking stick I made one pair of Canadians...

14:32 <c0dewarrior> 0_0

14:34 <MTughan> Is that bot even considered sane?

14:34 <c0dewarrior> Is anything sane these days?

14:34 <c0dewarrior> :-p

14:35 <MTughan> True...

14:35 <PovAddict> &markov

14:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: I was unable to generate a Markov chain at least 8 words long.

14:35 <PovAddict> fine

14:35 <c0dewarrior> and evening pov/mt

14:35 <MTughan> Ev'nin.

14:36 <c0dewarrior> how're ya all keepin

14:37 <MTughan> Pretty good. I have an free NXT kit for the weekend...

14:37 <c0dewarrior> heh

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16:10 <MTughan> Whoa... The NXT software uses Gecko...

16:11 <PovAddict> yep :)

16:11 <MTughan> For what?

16:11 <PovAddict> well, the tutorials and instructions and stuff are HTML

16:11 <PovAddict> even on Windows, it uses gecko instead of embedding IE

16:12 <MTughan> One good thing LEGO. Nice work. :P

16:12 <MTughan> Hmm... I'm thinking if the yoyo@home WU doesn't finish by Monday morning, I'll terminate it.

16:13 <MTughan> It's slowing down everything else.

16:13 <MTughan> Oh, Bluetooth works like a charm on this. I think it's a little slower than USB, but it works fine.

16:16 <MTughan> Cool... The NXT software comes with ways to take control of the buttons and display in a program. The RCX could do display through NQC, and there are some that have done buttons, but there are no methods in NQC for those...

16:17 <MTughan> Nice... You can draw circles on the display too. In addition to single points and lines...

16:17 <MTughan> Oh no. You could make Pong on this... >:)

16:18 <PovAddict> MTughan: to control the buttons in the RCX, you need lower level coding

16:18 <PovAddict> ie. alternate firmware

16:18 <PovAddict> you can even show stuff on the display that is not a number

16:18 <PovAddict> controlling the individual segments

16:18 <MTughan> Well, NXT can do it by default.

16:18 <PovAddict> yep :)

16:19 <MTughan> Camino needs to concentrate less on Flash and more on its own performance...

16:19 * CoderForLife wanders back to #boinc

16:19 <CoderForLife> hello all

16:20 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

16:20 <CoderForLife> hey MT

16:20 <CoderForLife> feels good to be home

16:20 <MTughan> Just trying to get the link... Someone made a pong game on a LEGO NXT.

16:21 <CoderForLife> was just outside in the woods, following some animal (primarily raccoon) trails

16:21 <CoderForLife> I think I found their den

16:22 <CoderForLife> next - fry some burgers on the grill

16:22 <CoderForLife> bbl

16:22 <MTughan>

16:22 <Romulus> <> (at

16:22 <MTughan> The Flash is as responsive as can be, but Camino's as slow as a 5Hz processor.

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16:23 <E-30> hey

16:23 <MTughan> 'lo E

16:23 <E-30> how ae you doing

16:23 <E-30> are

16:23 <PovAddict> whoa shit

16:23 <MTughan> Pretty good. Got myself a free NXT for the w/e.

16:23 <MTughan>

16:23 <E-30> why do you say that

16:23 <Romulus> <> (at

16:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

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16:24 <MTughan> I think it was the link. Someone made pong in an NXT.

16:24 <efc> did you see the lego car factory MTu ?

16:25 <E-30> yep lol i thaout it was funny

16:25 <E-30> yea

16:25 <MTughan> I don't think so...

16:25 <efc> video on youtube

16:25 <E-30> true

16:26 <MTughan> Oh, that one. Yeah, I have seen it.

16:27 <E-30> so how is everyone tonight '

16:27 <MTughan> This, right?

16:27 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Mindstorms Autofabrik (at

16:27 <E-30> too much free time there

16:27 <MTughan> lol

16:28 <MTughan> Reason I have an NXT for the weekend is because my school is entered in a robotics competition. We got the bot today, and no one really wanted to keep it until Monday, except for me. So it was unanimous, I guess you could say.

16:28 <E-30> lol

16:29 <quail> g'morning all

16:30 <E-30> it 1032 pm here

16:30 <MTughan> Morning. Although 4:30PM here.

16:30 <quail> it 6 am here

16:30 <MTughan> So E-30: You're in England?

16:30 <E-30> no germany

16:30 <MTughan> Wait, that's 5 hours...

16:30 <MTughan> Right, thanks.

16:31 <E-30> i am in the army

16:31 <MTughan> So you understand the time as 2230?

16:31 <E-30> wiesbade air field

16:31 <E-30> yea

16:31 <MTughan> Sort of...

16:31 <E-30> eather way i understane now

16:31 <MTughan> Yeah. I have to think about army time for a sec, but I can understand both.

16:32 <E-30> i see cool

16:32 <efc> that looks like the same one MTu

16:32 <yoyo[RKN]> Guten Abend E-30 ;)

16:32 <MTughan> Okay. I have seen it before.

16:33 <E-30> wow

16:33 <E-30> i cant read german

16:33 <MTughan> lol

16:33 <E-30> i think taht says good night

16:33 <E-30> that

16:33 <yoyo[RKN]> it says good evening

16:33 <MTughan> Good evening seems more likely...

16:33 <MTughan> Hehe...

16:33 <E-30> i was close

16:33 <yoyo[RKN]> not close enough

16:34 <E-30> wow

16:34 <quail> ni hao

16:34 <yoyo[RKN]> chinese?

16:34 <quail> yep

16:34 <MTughan> Cool.

16:34 <E-30> what does it say

16:34 <quail> hello

16:34 <E-30> wow two words for one word

16:35 <quail> chinese is strangew as one work can have diff meaning depend the contect it used in

16:36 <quail> s/work/word

16:36 <E-30>

16:36 <Romulus> <> (at

16:36 <E-30> pics of my computer

16:36 <MTughan> Water cooling?

16:37 <E-30> yep

16:37 <E-30> thats my oc computer

16:37 <E-30> 1.1 ghz oc now

16:37 <MTughan> Few cables over the place.

16:37 <E-30> 2.4 ghz to 3.5 ghz

16:37 <E-30> yea

16:37 <E-30> i play games

16:38 <MTughan> Nice... I'd probably push my P4 to melting if I overclocked it that much... 2.8GHz.

16:38 <E-30> lol

16:38 <E-30> i know how that is

16:38 <MTughan> Runs at 55C when BOINC is running, and that's with a more powerful fan.

16:38 <E-30> 46 c here

16:38 <MTughan> 3.2GHz pushed it up to about 75C.

16:38 <E-30> oc

16:39 <E-30> stock is 36 c

16:39 <MTughan> Well, water cooling is mush more powerful than fans...

16:39 <MTughan> Heh. Stock here was about 65C at full load. Intel... >_>

16:40 <E-30> yea

16:40 <E-30> my brothers computer has the same processer i have and it runs at 65 stock

16:41 <quail> E-30: nice computer setup

16:41 <efc> Does passive water or oil cooling work ok?

16:41 <E-30> i am jest useing watter right now

16:42 <E-30> i was using anti freze

16:42 <quail> E-30: i would just use coolent

16:43 <E-30> that what the stuff is

16:43 <E-30> jest watter down some

16:43 <efc> ciculates through convection?

16:43 <efc> circ*

16:44 <MTughan> What graphics do you have in "Picture 010"?

16:44 <MTughan> Says Nvidia SLI.

16:44 <E-30> yea

16:44 <E-30> 8800 gts

16:44 <MTughan> Nice...

16:44 <E-30> 640 mb

16:45 <MTughan> RAM?

16:45 <E-30> yea

16:45 <E-30> each

16:45 <MTughan> Sweet... O_O

16:45 <E-30> insted of 320

16:45 <efc> hehe picture 016 looks like one of those EPA energy stickers they put on water heaters, A/C units, etc

16:46 <E-30> lol

16:46 <MTughan> Wow, powerful graphics cards have come a long way. I've got an ATI AIW 9600XT (Radeon 9600 chipset). It has 128MB memory.

16:46 <E-30> yea they have

16:46 <efc> GF4 here from 2002, 128 megs

16:46 <MTughan> Mine's from 2004.

16:47 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.22-14-generic |  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz 1595.420 MHz | Bogomips: 3194.47 | Mem: 878/1265M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 264.39G Free: 207.17G | Procs: 120 | Uptime: 2 days 22 hrs 33 mins 34 secs | Load: 0.58 0.39 0.29  | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) GPU clock: 249.750 MHz | eth0: In: 392.80M Out: 43.39M

16:47 <quail> Sensors: HDD: 34°C

16:48 <MTughan> Plugin?

16:48 <MTughan> The stats, I meant.

16:48 <quail> perl script

16:48 <MTughan> Ah.

16:48 <E-30> i need to get mine back soon

16:48 <efc> Yeah i always wanted to get one of those scripts going, never did figure it out (on windows)

16:49 <efc> mainly so my 386 could report its 1.96 bogomips

16:49 <MTughan> Bogomips?

16:49 <quail> bogmips are boggus

16:50 <E-30> lol

16:50 <efc> its basically how fast the cpu can spin an idle loop, doesn't mean much

16:50 <MTughan> That's what I thought...

16:50 <MTughan> lol

16:50 <E-30> wow

16:50 <quail> my video card is on 64MB

16:51 <E-30> the computer is called donkey

16:51 <quail> but friend of mine is going to give me his old nvidia fx 5200 which is 128MB

16:51 <MTughan> Where did you get your script from?

16:51 <E-30> and i the it has the girl side cove

16:52 <E-30> it has its time of the week

16:52 <E-30> cool

16:52 <efc> I lost track of video cards after they went to the GF XTREME FX 5201 A GOLDEN SAMPLE 3 naming scheme

16:52 <quail> MTughan: i can't remember, but i can give you a copy of mine if you use xchat or irssi

16:52 <MTughan> Hmm... Colloquy...

16:52 <MTughan> Is there a standalone script?

16:53 <MTughan> Actually, I can probably use it.

16:53 <E-30> my last qmc unit

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16:54 <E-30> 22,977.91time 285.55credit

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16:54 <E-30> not bad i think '

16:55 <MTughan> Nevermind, I found it.

16:55 <E-30> for mirc

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16:56 <quail> MTughan:

16:56 <MTughan> That's the one I found.

16:56 <quail> i done lot work on mine to get it to work properly with irssi

16:57 <MTughan> XChat there.

16:57 <MTughan> Hmm... "Unknown file type /Users/mtughan/Desktop/sysinfo-0.3.0/ Maybe you need to install the Perl or Python plugin?"

16:57 <MTughan> I have Perl.

16:57 <Romulus> TheGasGiant I know you're gone by the clock mults were unlocked on the mailing lists...

16:57 <E-30> lol

16:57 <PovAddict> erm

16:57 <quail> MTughan: you need to drop the script in the .xchat2/ dir

16:58 <MTughan> Ah...

16:58 <quail> and then load the script via xchat

16:59 <MTughan_> LOAD

16:59 <MTughan> Damn...

17:00 <quail> if you are using windows the script will not work, as it calling on linux commands

17:00 <MTughan> Mac.

17:00 <MTughan> Where do I drop in? ~/.xchat2 doesn't work either...

17:01 <quail> MTughan: you will have to find a script that is compatable with mac then

17:01 <MTughan> Mac is Unix based.

17:01 <PovAddict> getting system info is likely to differ between unixes

17:01 <quail> PovAddict: true

17:02 <quail> but not much tho, but there is bit diff between unix and linux with command names

17:02 <quail> but with linux there not much of a diff, it more to where the commands are

17:02 <E-30> wow

17:03 <MTughan> Well, cat exists on Mac... But /proc doesn't.

17:03 <PovAddict> no /proc? then that's *totally* different from any linux

17:03 <quail> MTughan: that script was written for linux

17:03 <MTughan> I know.

17:03 <PovAddict> well there's even different formats for /proc contents...

17:03 <quail> PovAddict: it mac os X

17:04 <quail> thx for the /ctcp version

17:05 <quail> thx for the /ctcp version MTughan

17:05 <quail> hehe

17:05 <MTughan> Ah, you saw that.

17:05 <MTughan> That was about 5 minutes ago though...

17:05 <quail> MTughan: i see everything hehe

17:05 <MTughan> Not fast enough, it seems.

17:06 <PovAddict>

17:06 <Romulus> Title: A MacFUSE-Based Process File System for Mac OS X (at

17:06 <quail> MTughan: i have to change to the status window to see it

17:06 <MTughan> The closest thing I can get. You can dig through it if you want.

17:06 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

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17:08 <quail> MTughan: nice laptop, how much it set you back?

17:09 <MTughan> About $1800CDN total.

17:09 <PovAddict> &currency convert 1800 CDN to USD

17:09 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: You used an incorrect currency symbol.

17:09 <MTughan> Laptop itself was $1500, and then I bought $300 in RAM upgrades. Apple wanted $600 at the time to do the same thing...

17:09 <quail> &currency convert 1800 CDN AUD

17:09 <Romulus> quail: Error: You used an incorrect currency symbol.

17:09 <PovAddict> o rly

17:09 <MTughan> I think CDN isn't recognized...

17:10 <PovAddict> &currency convert 1800 CAD to USD

17:10 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1800.00 cad = 1852.56 usd

17:10 <quail> &currency convert 1800 CAD AUD

17:10 <Romulus> quail: 1800.00 cad = 2048.94 aud

17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> &currency convert 1800 CAD EUR

17:11 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 1800.00 cad = 1306.98 eur

17:11 <MTughan> lol

17:11 * quail still waiting to get my laptop back from the repairer, waiting for new mainboard and keyboard

17:12 <MTughan> The only thing about this is the sleep light is broken, and the internal CD drive doesn't work.

17:12 <MTughan> I'm not sure how those happened.

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17:14 <E-30> humm

17:14 * quail semi sort of watching Swordfish

17:14 <MTughan> Swordfish? WTF?

17:15 * quail love to have that computer that is in the movie with all them displays

17:15 <MTughan> Like, the actual fish, or a show by that name?

17:15 <E-30> wow nice book

17:16 <quail> Swordfish - Cyberspace is a world protected by firewalls, passwords and the most advanced security systems. In this world we hide our deepest secrets, our most incriminating information, and of course, a whole lot of money. This is the world of Swordfish. Gabriel Shear, a charismatic and dangerous spy, needs to get inside this world. If he can get in, billions in illegal government funds wait for the taking. To actually steal the money, howev

17:16 <PovAddict> movie?

17:17 <E-30> ye a

17:17 <quail> yep

17:17 <quail> movie was released in 2001

17:18 <MTughan> Oh, your message got cut off. "To actually steal the money, howev"

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17:18 <quail> however, he'll need the help of Stanley Jobson, a former superhacker who's now desperate and penniless. Stanley has been forbidden to get within 50 yards of the nearest electronics store after doing time for

17:18 <quail> wreaking havoc on the FBI's controversial high-ech cyber surveillance operations. Gabriel and his beautiful partner Ginger lure Stanley into their clandestine world, baiting him with the thigngs he can't have - a  chance to reunite with Holly, the daughter he lost during a bitter divorce battle and the opportunity to start a new life.

17:19 <MTughan> Interesting...

17:21 <quail> MTughan: movie got fast cars, fast computers, great looking women, and lot of action

17:23 <E-30> lol

17:23 <E-30> yea

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17:26 <CoderForLife> hey quail

17:26 <CoderForLife> re-hi MT,E

17:26 <MTughan> 'lo-again CFL

17:27 <Romulus> 25/04/2007 7:10:57 AM|| 1200 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU

17:27 <MTughan> 1200? That's not too fast, I think...

17:27 <CoderForLife> yeah, whatever Rommie

17:27 <quail> CoderForLife: g'morning mate, how are you?

17:27 <CoderForLife> fine quail - it's very good to be home again

17:28 <quail> CoderForLife: great to hear, did you have a good trip away?

17:28 <CoderForLife> yeah, it was good, but tiring

17:29 <quail> so you going to be having a relaxing weekend then?

17:29 <CoderForLife> saw your buddies Steve Ballmer and Michael Dell on Wednesday

17:29 <CoderForLife> Dell said he likes ubuntu

17:29 <CoderForLife> Ballmer doesn't

17:30 <quail> Steve Ballmer not my buddy, he just a wanker

17:30 * PovAddict calls wdsmia for another kick

17:30 <MTughan> Although, I did read on CNET that Linux is mainly selling on servers, not desktops or laptops.

17:30 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: I'll see if I can make this next Ubuntu release less of a mess

17:30 <PovAddict> MTughan: correct; on desktops it doesn't sell, it gets downloaded :)

17:31 <MTughan> Most end-users would rather get it preinstalled.

17:31 <quail> MTughan: that is true cause it stable as a rock on the side of a cliff

17:31 <CoderForLife> no need to "sell" if it doesn't require "services"

17:32 <CoderForLife> bbiaf

17:32 <MTughan> Oh, misremembered the story slightly...

17:32 <Romulus> <> (at

17:32 <quail> MTughan: it only movies if there problem out of its control

17:32 <MTughan> Only what?

17:32 <quail> s/movies/moves

17:32 <MTughan> Ah... Like a hardware crash or something.

17:33 <quail> MTughan: that or software glitch

17:33 <MTughan> Sweet...

17:33 <Romulus> Title: Photos: Dinosaur Sightings: 1970s computers | CNET (at

17:34 <quail> MTughan: my server already been taken offline in the past cause of a bad kernel update

17:34 <PovAddict> last ubuntu release was a real mess, so much hype most mirrors got overloaded

17:34 <quail> and that cause debian stuffed up but they had a new kernel out in about 6 hours

17:36 <quail> this is all the crap i had to go throgh to get ubuntu 6.10 to work on my laptop >>>

17:36 <Romulus> <> (at

17:38 <quail> and this the workaround i had to use to get ubuntu 7.04 to park the hdd properly on shutdown >>>

17:38 <Romulus> <> (at

17:41 <E-30> wow

17:42 <quail> ah it all fun, i like hardware hacking

17:42 <E-30> i see

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17:47 <quail> now this is very cool >>>

17:47 <Romulus> <> (at

17:49 <CoderForLife> baaack

17:50 <E-30> cool

17:50 <Romulus> certainly Schumer can figure out if the main advantage of the updates in a couple years ago

17:50 <MTughan> So I wonder how much power it makes...

17:51 <E-30> same here

17:51 <E-30> some one hel-p me beld one and i will tel you

17:51 <MTughan> build*

17:52 <E-30> yea

17:52 <E-30> i am going to bed soon

17:53 <CoderForLife> well, sleep well E-30

17:54 <E-30> good night

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17:54 <MTughan> &convert currency 230 USD to CAD

17:54 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: The command "convert" is available in the Currency and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "convert".

17:54 <MTughan> &currency convert 230 USD to CAD

17:54 <Romulus> MTughan: 230.00 usd = 223.28 cad

17:54 <MTughan> What a ripoff...

17:54 <MTughan> $350 at a store...

17:55 <CoderForLife> math convert

17:55 <MTughan> ?

17:55 <CoderForLife> or not

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17:56 <quail> CoderForLife: so what have you got planned for the weekend there?

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17:58 <quail> long live the 80's, sorry I just put The Terminator in the dvd player and about to press play

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17:58 <MTughan> lol

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18:00 <quail> I like the 80's they were the pioneering years for computerized scifi stuff

18:00 <MTughan> True...

18:01 <quail> i have to get terminator 2 and 3 as well

18:02 <efc> The T-1000 runs 6805 assembly, FYI

18:02 <efc> unless i got it wrong

18:02 <MTughan> lol

18:03 <efc> sorry, i meant the T-101

18:03 <efc> the Ahnold

18:03 <MTughan> rofl

18:05 * CoderForLife turns his attention back to #boinc

18:06 <CoderForLife> hmm TradeStation is too rich for my blood

18:06 <CoderForLife> my weekend is about 1/2 over quail

18:06 <efc> ah yes, it was MOS 6502, so apparently Ahnold runs a heavily modified Commodore 64

18:06 <efc> "The platform that just won't die"

18:07 <CoderForLife> I programmed a lot of 6502 assembly language

18:07 <efc> 9445 Nova here

18:07 <CoderForLife> slot-independent code to run in EPROM on cards for the Apple ][

18:08 <quail> CoderForLife: yeah my weekend almost over too, back to TAFE this week

18:08 <CoderForLife> A Burroughs TD-830 terminal emulator for the Apple - marketed as "The Burple"

18:08 <efc> he runs some Cobol too, i suppose for the more financial aspects of murdering people

18:10 <quail> lol

18:11 * CoderForLife adds he was not responsible for marketing

18:13 <CoderForLife> I've done no Coding today, unfortunately, but I have been doing things around the house

18:15 <CoderForLife> bbiaf

18:21 <CoderForLife> b

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18:29 <quail> CoderForLife: a day away from coding is not a bad thing, means when you do get back to it your brain will be nice and refreshed :-)

18:30 <CoderForLife> so I am several days of refreshed?

18:33 <quail> brb

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18:39 <MTughan> Goin' out for dinner. bbl

18:41 <CoderForLife> cya MT

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18:44 <CoderForLife> I'm off for the evening - I bb in the morning

18:51 <efc> night cfl

18:54 <quail> back

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19:39 <efc> sounds like i need to disassemble and clean out the GPU fan again

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19:51 * quail puts another 80's movie in the dvd player to watch on the moronoscope

19:52 <PovAddict> moronoscope?

19:52 <PovAddict> synonym of tv?

19:55 <quail> &dict moronoscope

19:55 <Romulus> quail: No definition for "moronoscope" could be found.

19:55 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: I remember warp 0.5 which means i start it manually with telnet, use HEAD instead of oldschool paper and pencil

19:55 <quail> PovAddict: yeah moronoscope another name for TV

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20:34 <MTughan> Back. efc: How's the GPU fan?

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20:58 <efc> Seems to be doing fine now

20:58 <efc> blew the dust out, added some WD-40

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21:20 <wdsmia> &ping

21:20 <Romulus> pong

21:20 <wdsmia> &ding

21:20 <Romulus> DONG!

21:23 <efc> &moo

21:23 <Romulus> efc: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

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22:42 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

22:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 57F / 14C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Showers and isolated thunderstorms. Low in the mid 50s. East wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Sunday - Showers and isolated thunderstorms. High in the upper 60s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 (1 more message)

22:42 <wdsmia> &more

22:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: percent.; Sunday Night - Widespread showers and isolated thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall. Low in the mid 50s. East wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.;

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23:39 <sethy> PovAddict?

23:39 <PovAddict> boo

23:40 <sethy> you busy?

23:40 <PovAddict> nope

23:48 <Soul_keeper> bla

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