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00:17 <E-30> hey
00:24 <efc> moo
00:25 <E-30> how are you doing efc
00:29 <efc> pretty good
00:30 <efc> saw em, nice
00:31 <E-30> cool
00:31 <E-30> well still wateing on my new cpu to come in
00:31 <E-30> soon
00:32 <efc> nice, they blanked out the audio on the entire foo fighters song on SNL
00:32 <E-30> no
00:32 <efc> for some missing children crap
00:32 <efc> fortunately i don't like them too much hehe
00:32 <E-30> lol
00:32 <quail> hi and moo
00:32 <efc> maybe i'll get myself some computer junk for Christmas ..
00:32 <E-30> hey quail
00:33 <efc> don't really need it.. i no longer accomplish anything with the computer
00:33 <E-30> i see
00:33 <E-30> i am going quad core
00:33 <E-30> for jan
00:33 <quail> efc: if you pay the postage I'll send you some my computer junk
00:33 <efc> that would be sweet
00:33 <efc> You're in Aus?
00:34 <quail> efc: yeah
00:34 <E-30> my christmas
00:34 <efc> i mean the quad core is sweet, not adopting quail's junk :p
00:34 <E-30> lol
00:34 <quail> hehe
00:35 <efc> i like what RAAF does when they need to ship something up here.. they fly a C130
00:35 <efc> its almost the same price as UPS
00:35 <E-30> well duo core is putting out about 1400 a rac now
00:35 <E-30> not bad
00:36 <efc> do the quad cores sustain BOINC thermally?
00:36 <E-30> on watter cooling yes
00:36 <E-30> i dont know on passive yet
00:37 <PovAddict> is a normal fan enough?
00:37 <E-30> it will be a t 65 c at stock
00:38 <E-30> its runs the same as a dual core does
00:39 <efc> any dual socket quad core systems within reach of mortals? I have to ask hehe
00:39 <E-30> cost yes but useable no
00:40 <efc> that means an AMD one?
00:40 <E-30> hell now to much power
00:40 <E-30> no
00:40 <efc> just twice a single core I'd think ?
00:40 <E-30> yea
00:41 <efc> well thats why i'm spending 5 million dollars to get a hydro site to power the thing
00:41 <E-30> lol
00:41 <efc> ok maybe not but i wish
00:41 <PovAddict> gets you watercooling too
00:41 <efc> excellent point!
00:41 <efc> that'll be the next guide on tom's hardware
00:42 <PovAddict> "step 1: find a river"
00:42 <E-30> well all of that is running on one 650w power
00:42 <efc> power your machine and then stick it under the waterwheel
00:42 <E-30> lol
00:42 <efc> there are old mill ponds around here, but practically none of them do anything anymore
00:42 <PovAddict> well there you go
00:43 <efc> i'm trying
00:43 <E-30> true
00:43 <E-30> there
00:44 * quail would not mind a 4 x core 2 duo machine with 8GB ram
00:44 <E-30> what os will you run on that thing
00:45 <quail> linux
00:45 <efc> quad dual core? or dual quad core.. or quad quad or dual dual
00:45 <E-30> what is the max ram will it support
00:45 <E-30> wow
00:45 <efc> you'd have to run a 64 bit OS, but i assume thats a well traveled path now
00:45 <E-30> i wish i had one for vista
00:45 <quail> linux can handle up too 64GB ram
00:46 <E-30> cool
00:46 <E-30> if it work at blasted os
00:46 <E-30> i need to go blow up windows again
00:46 <efc> i guess Vista can do it but it'll use up 7 cores and 7 gigs to animate the stinking icons
00:47 <E-30> lol
00:47 <quail> E-30: but for that amount ram you have to compile the kernel yourself, but iirc debian does that kernel already but it optional
00:47 <E-30> i see a amd 64 300 run vista with now pro but it has 2.5 gig of ram
00:47 <E-30> amd 64 3000
00:48 <E-30> i wondere how many computers does wdsmia have now
00:49 <E-30> i have 6 working now
00:49 <efc> with that much power, i couldn't supply enough work over modem
00:50 <PovAddict> "A recent Linux kernel (version 2.6.16) can be compiled with support for up to 64 gigabytes of memory."
00:50 <E-30> well tow are in the states 3 are in germany and one in iraq right now
00:50 * quail not running as many computers as i used too
00:50 <E-30> lol
00:50 <efc> pretty much only running 1 2.8gig, with another 2.8 gig playing router on the weekends
00:51 <E-30> not bad
00:51 <quail> PovAddict: most the kernels can be compile to support 64GB ram
00:51 <PovAddict> apparently macs have a 16gig limit
00:51 <efc> I guess if you could find a place to find relatively recent laptops with busted screens, that might be a good worker per power
00:51 <E-30> macs suck unless you are doing arts
00:52 <PovAddict> &google 64-bit site:wikipedia.org
00:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.24 seconds: 64-bit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit>; x86-64 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64>; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Professional_x64_Edition>; PowerPC 970 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
00:52 <quail> iirc windows has a 4GB limit
00:52 <E-30> xp
00:52 <E-30> i thout it had a 3 gig limet
00:53 <E-30> on pro
00:53 <PovAddict> on 32-bit...
00:53 <PovAddict> 1 gig address space reserved for kernel
00:53 <E-30> i see
00:54 <PovAddict> and 32-bit lets you address 4gig
00:54 <PovAddict> that leaves you 3gig
00:54 <efc> i think there are some versions that can address more than 4 gig physical but still only 4 gig logical (ie per process)
00:54 <E-30> ok
00:54 <efc> that performance extension crap or whatever intel called it
00:55 <E-30> not worth it at all no help at all for ram
00:55 <E-30> system crashes all the time frome it
00:56 <quail> E-30: hence why linux rocks
00:56 <E-30> well i play my games on linux
00:56 <PovAddict> actually windows can address 2gig on 32-bit
00:56 <PovAddict> 3 gig if you change a kernel option, but it causes problems with some drivers
00:56 <E-30> sli for onw
00:57 <E-30> one
00:57 <efc> on the other end of the power spectrum, i'd like a micro power system to run all my weird alternative energy systems and household stuff
00:57 <efc> if i ever get them
00:57 <E-30> its fuck the shit out of the sli driver and my moutherboard south bus
00:58 <efc> the PXE stuff?
00:58 <E-30> no having more then 2 gigs of ram
00:58 <PovAddict> no need for pxe, there is a /3GB switch on windows kernel that lets you address 3gig
00:58 <PovAddict> pxe is for even more than 4gig
00:59 <E-30> i see
01:04 <efc> i guess i'll have to wait for more sloppy software to justify that level of resources
01:05 <efc> 1.25 gb here and don't come close to using it all, except maybe when doing some audio stuff
01:05 <E-30> i go to 1.5 gig all the tiem becus of my gamming
01:06 <E-30> with boinc running
01:06 <E-30> it uses 250 mb of ram now
01:07 <efc> 455 atm with celestia and a huge map program going, and boinc s@h
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01:17 <efc> interesting stuff with BSG
01:17 <efc> not sure what they're really trying to do..
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01:22 <E-30> ok back now
01:25 <quail> wb
01:26 <E-30> had to try out a new bios tool i got
01:26 <E-30> it work
01:26 * quail is enjoying his movie day
01:26 <E-30> yea
01:27 * quail just about to start the patriot
01:28 * quail really needs to buy a widescreen moronoscope
01:28 <E-30> well i went from floting point 2874 to 3064 and integer frome 6440 to 6900
01:29 <E-30> not bad for 100 mhz more on the oc
01:29 <E-30> i am going for stable now
01:29 <E-30> with 667 ocz ram
01:31 <E-30> now how do you tack a screen shot in windows again i forgot again
01:31 <PovAddict> press printscreen and paste it on paint or somewhere
01:31 <E-30> ok
01:34 <PovAddict> 12 hours left to finish this CPDN unit
01:35 <PovAddict> it was a small model, 347 hours elapsed and it's at 96.4%
01:35 <E-30> wow
01:38 <E-30> well got the pic up now
01:40 <E-30> look at the original size to see everything
01:41 <quail> E-30: interesting them you running there
01:41 <E-30> well i am going back to bed now goo night
01:41 <E-30> why do you say taht
01:41 <quail> night E-30
01:42 <E-30> what do you think it shuld be then
01:42 <quail> E-30: what ever you like
01:42 <E-30> it ok now too bad i thin now for the stress test
01:45 <E-30> not bad
01:46 <E-30> the reson whyit is so long is becu i have it on two montors
01:46 <E-30> in sed of four
01:46 <Romulus> Should be done from a loyal win xp pro
01:46 <E-30> lol
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01:47 <quail> E-30: when i get my new video card i am going to be running dual 19" widescreen lcd's
01:48 <E-30> i am running tow 21 inch now
01:48 <quail> cause new video card going to have dvi d-sub and s-video
01:48 <E-30> it was hard as hell to get them the way they are in the air
01:49 <quail> friend giving me a brand new 128MB nvidia fx 5200
01:49 <E-30> cool
01:49 <quail> yeah that neat the way you got them suspend on cables
01:49 <E-30> ot on 550 cord
01:49 <E-30> its
01:50 <quail> kewl
01:50 <E-30> yea taht took some time
01:50 * quail just happy to have mine on my desk
01:50 <E-30> well now i am out zzzzzzzzz
01:51 <quail> or mounted on the wall
01:51 * E-30 zzzzzzzzzzzz
01:51 <quail> night night
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03:50 <E-30> ok i am back after a nap
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07:20 <CoderForLife> off to get food for the family - bbl
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09:24 <Romulus> Title: ZAHAL - IDF,Israel, T-shirt, T-shirts, Israeli, IDF, ZAHAL (at www.zahal.org)
09:25 <CoderForLife> back
09:25 <CoderForLife> morning any and all
09:26 <desti> lo
09:27 <CoderForLife> hello desti
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10:18 <CoderForLife> morning quail
10:18 <quail> hiya Don
10:19 <CoderForLife> about ready to head back to TAFE in the morning?
10:20 <quail> no Tuesday morning
10:20 <CoderForLife> ah
10:20 <quail> but it close
10:20 <CoderForLife> yup
10:20 <CoderForLife> I go back to my real job tomorrow
10:21 <quail> yup
10:24 <quail> i am tring to weed out a prob with my linux box, damn thing not loading the gdm on reboot or power up, but if i reinstall the nvidia drivers i get it all back
10:25 <CoderForLife> hmm
10:26 <quail> and of coarse i get told when reinstalling the drivers that they are already there
10:27 <quail> and i can't find any noticable errors in logs to tell me why it is happening
10:32 <CoderForLife> ah, a tech mystery!
10:32 <CoderForLife> I'd try Professor Plum in the Library with the Candlestick
10:33 <quail> huh?
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10:34 <E-30> hi
10:34 <CoderForLife> hello E-30
10:34 <quail> hey E-30
10:34 <CoderForLife> nm quail - was making a joke about the Clue game
10:35 <quail> oh, hehe
10:35 <E-30> lol
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11:05 <xcamel> re-hi
11:06 <xcamel> snow-in-the-mountains
11:06 <xcamel> burrrr...
11:07 <quail> hiya Jay
11:08 <xcamel> Hiya Dale
11:08 <quail> how are you mate?
11:08 <xcamel> warming up again
11:09 <quail> :-)
11:09 <xcamel> was 37F with snow on the hill this morning
11:09 <xcamel> 48 here at home
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11:17 <quail> oh
11:18 <xcamel> yeah... chilly.
11:18 <MTughan> 'lo all
11:18 <xcamel> spent the night up in Lake Placid (NY)
11:18 <quail> this how the weather has been here of late >>> http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/cgi-bin/weather.cgi
11:18 <MTughan> Well, you all have it colder than us right now... 52F, 11C ATM.
11:19 <xcamel> 3 hour drive back home this morning
11:20 <MTughan> Ouch...
11:20 <xcamel> where are you MT?
11:20 <MTughan> Toronto, Canada.
11:20 <xcamel> Ho.. thats right
11:20 <sethy> theres no hoe's in here xcamel
11:20 <CoderForLife> morning MT, xc
11:21 <MTughan> lol, sethy
11:21 <CoderForLife> hey sethy
11:21 <xcamel> used to be Canada's prettiest city, now the most libera
11:21 <MTughan> Morning to you too, CFL.
11:21 <xcamel> liberal..
11:21 <quail> hey MTughan and sethy
11:21 <sethy> hey MTughan, CoderForLife, quail, xcamel
11:21 <xcamel> 'lo Don, sethy
11:21 <MTughan> How long can the greeting strings get?
11:22 <xcamel> dunno
11:22 <quail> MTughan: as long as you wants
11:22 <quail> &nicks
11:22 <Romulus> quail: benje, BiteAbleKat, bryanUC, Celelibi, CoderForLife, codewarrior__, cr00ked, deprecated, desti, ELGono, elvedin, f0urtyfive, FauxFaux, freakazoid0223, freelarry, hawmps, IdleOne, kirvesrinta, Lorvija, mac_55, MacG, MTughan, PITS_92, PovAddict, quail, redeeman, Romulus, sacater, sethy, siofwolves, Soul_keeper, TheFons, thoren, tillmanf, x29a, and xcamel
11:22 <MTughan> True...
11:22 <siofwolves> check
11:22 <MTughan> 'lo
11:22 <sethy> czeck?
11:22 <xcamel> you just woke a bunch of people up...
11:22 <CoderForLife> lol
11:22 <quail> thats how you wake everyone up at one time
11:23 <MTughan> I know PovAddict's comp beeps when his name is mentioned.
11:23 <desti> doh!
11:23 <xcamel> 'rattle cages'
11:23 <quail> lets keep saying PovAddict
11:23 <MTughan> lol
11:23 <sethy> so we should all put PovAddict in out lines
11:23 <sethy> so PovAddict gets curious
11:23 <sethy> and PovAddict gets worries
11:23 <sethy> and so PovAddict thinks we're taslking about him
11:23 <MTughan> You know PovAddict may be sleeping?
11:24 <siofwolves> mine uses the system speaker beep upon nick highlight (xchat)
11:24 <sethy> i know PovAddict IS slepping
11:24 <xcamel> another darwin award...
11:24 <quail> PovAddict: comes back and says he had a beeping dream last night
11:24 <CoderForLife> PovAddict is probably not sleeping now
11:24 <MTughan> Well, maybe not. It's 12:30PM there.
11:24 <xcamel> Teen Electrocuted while Climbing Tower
11:24 <sethy> PovAddict "i had the most awefull dream that i was beeping"
11:24 <xcamel> ... reaching a crossbar that serves as a platform. Once there Nye stood and put his hands up in the air before being electrocuted.
11:25 <xcamel> "duh"
11:25 <sethy> doh?
11:25 <xcamel> 46,000 volt line
11:25 <MTughan> They're not sure whether he touched the 46,000V power line there.
11:25 <sethy> PovAddict did
11:25 <xcamel> didn't have to...
11:25 <MTughan> >_>
11:26 <sethy> PovAddict did everything
11:26 * sethy walks away
11:28 <desti> us have lost every land war in asia
11:28 <CoderForLife> I imagine the line above him arced to ground when he closed the distance by reaching up
11:28 <CoderForLife> he was the path to ground
11:28 <MTughan> Through the tower too.
11:29 <CoderForLife> yep
11:29 <quail> damn he from Fruit Heights, that just says it all
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11:30 <MTughan> lol
11:30 <xcamel> french-fried-fruit
11:31 <CoderForLife> yup - that'll kill you right now
11:31 * CoderForLife studied power engineering in college
11:32 <CoderForLife> I learned enough to stay away
11:32 <CoderForLife> and to stand on my right foot and keep my left hand tucked away if I have to do something with power
11:33 <MTughan> ?
11:33 <quail> CoderForLife: i have been thrown across the room with 6KV from the plate of a valve
11:33 <CoderForLife> yeah, I saw a guy nearly killed while he was working a 6000V breaker
11:34 <CoderForLife> the only thing that saved him was having his right arm touching the side of the breaker cabinet
11:34 <MTughan> Apart from power, we got to launch a potato quite a distance with some hairspray last year in physics class.
11:34 <quail> i can tell you it hurt, and i learnt my lession real fast
11:34 <MTughan> quail: That was you?
11:34 <quail> me what?
11:35 <MTughan> That was working on the 6000V breaker?
11:35 <CoderForLife> no
11:35 <MTughan> Oh, I see. Missed your earlier message.
11:35 <quail> no, i was working on a WWII valve radio
11:36 <xcamel> we used to play nasty tricks on people with neon sign transformers
11:36 <CoderForLife> the other thing was, the breaker was safety-tagged to be ready to work on
11:36 <xcamel> 7500-10000v at just a couple of mils
11:36 <CoderForLife> only takes 0.5 milliamp across the heart
11:37 <CoderForLife> regardless of the voltage
11:37 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm sure... I'll stick with working with 120V, 5A power. Standard AC power in North America.
11:37 <xcamel> to restart it too...
11:37 <CoderForLife> yep
11:37 <CoderForLife> anything above that is just for broiling
11:37 <MTughan> This is a rather morbid conversation...
11:38 <CoderForLife> you're right about that
11:38 <CoderForLife> and I've not told any of the bad stories - this guy lived
11:39 <xcamel> the copper thieves have been getting grilles like a charcoal brick all over the place lately
11:39 <xcamel> er grilled
11:40 <xcamel> one guy could only be identified by a partial print on his left pinky
11:40 <xcamel> and he was right handed
11:40 <CoderForLife> yep - stealing copper can get you the death penalty
11:41 <MTughan> In more ways than one. ;)
11:42 <CoderForLife> the instinctive thing once you get bit and can't let go with your right hand is to use your left hand to try to knock yourself free - that results in both arms getting burnt off
11:42 <CoderForLife> I've seen this
11:43 <quail> CoderForLife: you doing some steaks today?
11:43 <CoderForLife> lol
11:43 <CoderForLife> not now
11:43 <xcamel> they only found him after seeing smoke rolling out of a small window at a recently closed auto parts store...
11:43 <quail> CoderForLife: i was going to drop in for lunch ;-)
11:44 <CoderForLife> meat is suddenly not so appetizing
11:44 <xcamel> I still have to go feed the zoo...
11:44 <xcamel> and go get more feed...
11:44 <CoderForLife> later xcamel
11:44 <quail> xcamel: how is the zoo
11:44 <xcamel> doing well
11:45 <quail> xcamel: i got asked yesterday if i knew anyone that wanted a camel
11:45 <xcamel> you have all droms in AU
11:45 <xcamel> I don't like droms
11:45 <quail> i said to them yes, but that friend in the us of a
11:46 <quail> droms?
11:46 <xcamel> one-hump
11:46 <quail> i not know camels so not know the diff
11:46 <MTughan> Short for dromedary.
11:46 <quail> no this a 2 humped camel
11:46 <xcamel> really?
11:47 <xcamel> how old?
11:47 <quail> the camel on the property not far from where my mum keeps her horses
11:47 <xcamel> hmmm...
11:47 <quail> xcamel: i will find out for you, but it to far to send the us of a
11:48 <quail> and man it will cost alot to
11:48 <xcamel> probably not gelded, and causing trouble...
11:48 <quail> i will try get some pics for you too
11:48 <xcamel> cool..
11:48 <xcamel> and his/her age
11:48 <quail> it actually friendly i have met it
11:49 <quail> yep
11:49 <xcamel> they are, except for 6 weeks a year when (if intact) thay can be very dangerous.
11:50 <quail> oh
12:07 <CoderForLife> bbl
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12:41 <xcamel> needed some warm lunch...
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12:49 <quail> yeah warm food is the best sometimes :-)
12:53 <xcamel> well... off to get feed for the zoo...
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13:06 <HeXiLeD> hello guys
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13:07 <HeXiLeD> so lets see.. im thinking about setting up boinc on my p3 600mhz . worthy ?
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13:09 * siofwolves runs it on a p3 450mhz
13:20 <HeXiLeD> :)
13:21 <HeXiLeD> siofwolves: does it use a lot of cpu and or ram ?
13:21 <siofwolves> its set to run when the pc is not in use.
13:22 <siofwolves> HeXiLeD, i'm not running it on this box btw.
13:22 <HeXiLeD> so 'when its not in use'
13:22 <HeXiLeD> what if the box is a server already
13:22 <Romulus> wonders whether to tell the boinc directory in there
13:23 <siofwolves> HeXiLeD, no, its for the kids and missus to use.
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13:23 <HeXiLeD> ok. in your case. but i mean in my case. the box runs a few server appz already
13:24 <HeXiLeD> so boinc would be 24/7
13:24 <siofwolves> HeXiLeD, you'll find it in here somewhere -> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/user_search_action.php?search_string=siofwolves
13:24 <HeXiLeD> hence why i ask how much does it eat on the cpu / ram
13:24 <HeXiLeD> lets see
13:24 <siofwolves> HeXiLeD, you can set max cpu usage in the boinc settings.
13:25 <HeXiLeD> will it still do its task properly ? or will it decrease boinc results ?
13:26 <HeXiLeD> and i assume the boinc replaces seti ?
13:30 <siofwolves> seti runs in boinc as a project. if you set less cpu then yes you will decrease your results.
13:31 <HeXiLeD> since one can run boinc only as client; whats the advantage of that ?
13:31 <HeXiLeD> i mean... runing the server will helt the grid ..
13:31 <HeXiLeD> *help
13:32 <HeXiLeD> but as client only ,whats the use ? just being updated ?
13:32 <siofwolves> help the grid is crunching data and sending it to the main server.
13:33 <siofwolves> you run boinc to donload > crunch > report back.
13:33 <siofwolves> download*
13:37 <MTughan> So yes, as long as there's not too much load on the server, and BOINC is set up right, you won't see any drop in performance of your server. Even if it is a P3 600MHz.
13:39 <MTughan> What type of server is it anyway? File server, webserver, database server?
13:40 <siofwolves> boinc isn't a server
13:41 <MTughan> No, he's wanting to set it up on a server. I'm wondering what type of server it is now.
13:41 <siofwolves> MTughan, where are you getting this from ?
13:42 <MTughan> File server won't require as much CPU as a DB server or a webserver with dynamic pages.
13:42 <HeXiLeD> home server . ftp/s. http/s sshd . irc/s telnet nfs
13:42 <HeXiLeD> mysql too , voip
13:43 <MTughan> Okay, so that'll use a bit more CPU than just a straight file server.
13:43 <MTughan> Means less that S@H can use.
13:44 <HeXiLeD> wellwhan i asked about boinc tro run as server is that i can compile it to work as a client only or also as a server application
13:44 <HeXiLeD> *well when
13:45 <HeXiLeD> boinc_client boinc_cmd boinc_gui
13:45 <MTughan> Running a BOINC server is only for people who are making their own project.
13:45 <HeXiLeD> ah.
13:45 <MTughan> For example, SETI@Home is a project, so they have their own server for that.
13:46 <HeXiLeD> that server works for the grid right ? or not?
13:46 <MTughan> If doesn't actually do any work on the project.
13:47 <MTughan> If you want to know details, it basically takes workunit requests from clients, passes them the WUs, and then takes completed ones and deals with them.
13:49 <HeXiLeD> ok.. lets ask it this way: to be part of the boinc/seti grid do i need to set it as a server or client ?
13:49 <MTughan> Client.
13:50 <HeXiLeD> ok. i get the project explanation now
13:50 <HeXiLeD> not worthy to run my own
13:50 <MTughan> "not worthy", lol
13:51 <HeXiLeD> lol
13:51 <HeXiLeD> eheh
13:51 <HeXiLeD> anyway ..
13:51 <HeXiLeD> will 'client it'
13:52 <HeXiLeD> anyone here running it with nix ?
13:52 <MTughan> quail?
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13:53 <HeXiLeD> quail?
13:53 <MTughan> User here. He runs it on Linux.
13:53 <c0dewarrior> I'd be another critter
13:53 <HeXiLeD> oh :)
13:56 <MTughan> quail? Are you even here?
13:58 <HeXiLeD> top | grep boinc
13:58 <HeXiLeD> or ps aux
13:58 <MTughan> What about?
13:59 <MTughan> If you're not running BOINC, they won't return anything.
14:00 <MTughan> Well, "top | grep boinc" won't return anything.
14:08 <HeXiLeD> whats the 'credit' for ? what does it mean ?
14:09 <MTughan> Just shows how much work a computer has done.
14:14 <HeXiLeD> ok.. so .. einstein or seti ?
14:14 <HeXiLeD> what do u think ?
14:14 <MTughan> You can run both. I do.
14:15 <HeXiLeD> i might run them plus roseta
14:28 <HeXiLeD> humm it fails to attach to a project when i put the key
14:28 <MTughan> Key?
14:29 <HeXiLeD> Enter your Account Key
14:29 <HeXiLeD> in fact i would like to create a team
14:29 <MTughan> Well, a team you can make from the web interface.
14:30 <HeXiLeD> im there ...
14:30 <HeXiLeD> click to create and it takes me to a login page for existing usersa
14:31 <HeXiLeD> click to create and it takes me to a login page for existing userss
14:31 <MTughan> SETI@Home?
14:31 <HeXiLeD> roseta
14:32 <MTughan> Create a new account or create a team?
14:32 <HeXiLeD> create team
14:33 <HeXiLeD> creat new account takes me to the same page
14:33 <Romulus> looks like I'll have to run PHP4 and PHP5 with the 939 stuff
14:33 <MTughan> Okay, I can't help you specifically for Rosetta@Home, because I'm not part of it.
14:33 <MTughan> Ignore Romulus. He's a bot.
14:33 <HeXiLeD> ok
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14:34 <E-30> hey
14:34 <MTughan> Ah. E-30: Are you part of Rosetta@Hom?
14:34 <MTughan> Home*
14:34 <MTughan> HeXiLeD would like to make a team there, but he seems to have a problem.
14:35 <HeXiLeD> yes.
14:35 <HeXiLeD> team and account
14:35 <HeXiLeD> can u send me the url for that ?
14:35 <HeXiLeD> cuz on this side... its not going well
14:35 <MTughan> You have to make an account before you can make a team.
14:36 <MTughan> You're using a command-line version of BOINC? Or is it a GUI?
14:36 <HeXiLeD> cmd line
14:36 <E-30> yea but its not ative
14:36 <E-30> why
14:36 <HeXiLeD> ok.. url for an account pls :D
14:37 <MTughan> I don't know if there is one for Rosetta@Home... There is for S@H.
14:38 <Romulus> Title: Join Rosetta@home (at boinc.bakerlab.org)
14:38 <HeXiLeD> ok.. lets skip roseta for now. einstein project
14:38 <MTughan> E@H... One sec.
14:38 <HeXiLeD> oh i found something for roseta
14:39 <MTughan> I've been ignoring it for now, but it's Rosetta, with two T's.
14:40 <HeXiLeD> ok. roseTTa :P account time
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14:45 <MTughan> HeXiLeD: If you were ever wanting to run your own server and project, yoyo[RKN] could help you.
14:45 <MTughan> Speaking of which, that WU is still at 12.5%.
14:46 <yoyo[RKN]> really
14:46 <yoyo[RKN]> strange
14:47 <yoyo[RKN]> how many cpu time consumed the wu?
14:47 <MTughan> It's reporting 1:15:05, but it's been much more than that.
14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> I just returned from an italien restaurant, now I'm drunken ;)
14:48 <MTughan> lol
14:48 <Romulus> I don't fiddle with it, I might suggest The Final Front Ear
14:48 <MTughan> So what? All Italians are drunk?
14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> no, but they ade me drunken
14:49 <yoyo[RKN]> hi^7 Saenger
14:49 <c0dewarrior> yoyo[RKN]: don't drink and type! will only end in despair :-p
14:49 <MTughan> lol
14:50 <E-30> lol
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14:50 <MTughan> You know we have a visitor too?
14:51 <xcamel> back again
14:51 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: ?
14:51 <MTughan> HeXiLeD.
14:51 <c0dewarrior> hello hawmps
14:51 <c0dewarrior> *HeXiLeD
14:52 <E-30> hey cfl
14:52 <MTughan> Autocomplete failing you?
14:52 <c0dewarrior> <-- not cfl
14:52 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: Microsoft keyboard failing me... :-(
14:52 <MTughan> CFL is CoderForLife.
14:52 <E-30> i know
14:52 <MTughan> Yeah, M$ keyboards are bad. Use Logitech.
14:52 <c0dewarrior> like the number 42
14:52 <E-30> true
14:53 <E-30> i am useing the g15 right now
14:53 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: The original m$ naturals were really good...
14:53 <c0dewarrior> survived a nuclear war even
14:53 <c0dewarrior> or close to it
14:53 <E-30> yea i like the split ones
14:54 <MTughan> I have a three-year old MX Duo that's gone through a fair amount of abuse (I have a bit of a temper sometimes), and it's still going strong.
14:54 <E-30> wow
14:54 <c0dewarrior> hehe, ditto
14:55 <E-30> i have a 4 year old track ball mouse that has been to iraq and back 2 times and still works
14:55 <E-30> fro logitech
14:55 <c0dewarrior> it being packed in bubblewrap doesn't count :-p
14:55 <MTughan> Well, the MX Duo comes with a rechargeable mouse. I'm still using the original batteries!
14:56 <E-30> it was us all the tiem
14:56 <E-30> time
14:56 <E-30> wow
14:56 <E-30> cool
14:57 <c0dewarrior> I still want :
14:57 <Romulus> Title: Kinesis US Model Contoured Keyboards (at www.kinesis-ergo.com)
14:57 <c0dewarrior> They're just hard to come by
14:57 <MTughan> What the?
14:58 <E-30> wtf
14:58 <E-30> is that
14:58 <E-30> looks like some out of the 80s
14:58 <c0dewarrior> lol
14:58 <c0dewarrior> it's the most comfy board ever
14:59 <MTughan> Well, because it looks like an '80s style, stores figure people won't buy it. So they don
14:59 <MTughan> ..'t stock it.
14:59 <E-30> lol
14:59 <c0dewarrior> sadly yes... it's like computer fashion...
14:59 <E-30> someone sees eye to eye with me
14:59 <MTughan> How they figured to place the Enter key so close to the apostrophe, I have no idea.
15:00 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: the enter key should be 5 meters from anything else imho
15:00 <MTughan> lol
15:01 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: guy I worked with used to write dvorak layout on his keyboards at work, and scratched off the printed letters...
15:01 <xcamel> I love my saitek lighted keyboard
15:01 <E-30> yea for 299 dollars it better make dinner for me
15:02 <E-30> i liek my g 15
15:02 <c0dewarrior> E-30: agreed, and do foot massages
15:02 <E-30> yea
15:02 <MTughan> Well, that's slightly worse than at my school. They colour over the letters with permanent marker.
15:02 <xcamel> a little higher than your foot, I think...
15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> what was HeXiLeD asking?
15:02 <E-30> there is my mouse
15:03 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: He was wanting to run BOINC on a server.
15:03 <c0dewarrior> E-30: looks like a alien probe that's been domesticated
15:03 <MTughan> Not BOINC as a server, but on a server.
15:03 <E-30> lol
15:03 <E-30> i game on it all the tiem
15:03 <E-30> time
15:06 <c0dewarrior> This is a better sample of the curved board with numeric pad: http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-ltype-intro.html
15:06 * xcamel hates trackballs
15:06 <MTughan> O_O
15:07 <MTughan> How does one even use that thing?
15:07 <c0dewarrior> no different than any other board, just your hand survives after a year of using it
15:08 <MTughan> What do you call surviving?
15:08 <c0dewarrior> not having RSI or arthritis
15:08 <MTughan> I've been programming for three years now, and haven't had any. Or CTS.
15:08 <c0dewarrior> 3 years?!
15:09 <MTughan> What about three years?
15:09 <CoderForLife> did someone call for me?
15:09 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: You'll notice it only after about 7-10 years...
15:09 <c0dewarrior> CFL!
15:10 <MTughan> Well, I'm only 17 at this point.
15:10 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: at that age, even if you did get RSI, you'd recover within a week :-p
15:10 <MTughan> Good to know.
15:11 <CoderForLife> looks like it was E-30
15:11 <CoderForLife> then MTughan
15:11 <MTughan> I said that CFL was you, no c0dewarrior.
15:11 <MTughan> not*
15:12 <c0dewarrior> CFL CFL CFL!
15:12 <c0dewarrior> then it was me me and me
15:12 <MTughan> ...
15:12 <CoderForLife> my systray icon was flashing
15:12 <MTughan> Like PovAddict's? :D
15:13 <E-30> lol
15:13 <CoderForLife> dunno - can't say
15:14 <CoderForLife> it doesn't beep
15:14 <E-30> then who is c0dewarrior
15:14 <c0dewarrior> ehe, nono, who's E-30
15:14 <MTughan> c0dewarrior. Who else?
15:14 <MTughan> E
15:14 <MTughan> And that was intentional.
15:14 <E-30> lol
15:14 <CoderForLife> I am #2, who is #1
15:14 <c0dewarrior> hehe
15:15 <MTughan> Prisoner!
15:15 <CoderForLife> yup =)
15:15 <c0dewarrior> 0_o
15:15 <MTughan> British TV series. In what, the 60's?
15:16 <Romulus> Title: Maltron Keyboards - Special needs (at www.maltron.com)
15:16 <MTughan> 60's or 70's. I don't remember.
15:16 <c0dewarrior> ^^ even better
15:16 <Romulus> Title: The Prisoner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
15:16 <MTughan> o_O
15:16 <MTughan> If I could get an eye twitching, that'd be better.
15:17 <MTughan> Whoa... Only 6 months, and yet we have 6 DVDs of it?
15:18 <CoderForLife> it's deep...
15:19 <E-30> lol
15:24 <CoderForLife> going to go watch some football = bbl
15:40 <MTughan> HeXiLeD: How are you getting on?
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16:11 <E-30> lol
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18:52 <xcamel> back again
19:03 <MTughan> Ditto.
19:03 <PovAddict> beep to you too
19:03 <MTughan> lol
19:09 <MTughan> So did it beep?
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19:13 <PovAddic1> didn't disconnect in the many hours I was away, and NOW it starts
19:13 <MTughan> lol
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19:28 <MTughan> I guess you noticed...
19:42 <MTughan> Hehe... One BOINC WU and an ffmpeg encoding going on ATM. Activity Monitor sometimes reports the idle CPU as -0.00%. :P
19:52 <MTughan> Nice... PovAddict: For the TFFE on S@H, you're number 50 in RAC.
19:52 <PovAddict> wtf
19:52 <MTughan> wdsmia, you're number 6. xcamel is 8th.
19:52 <PovAddict> so high?
19:52 <sethy> what am i?
19:53 <MTughan> http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/teams.php?team=112286&show=1&sort=TC&project=sah 121 for total cred.
19:53 <MTughan> What name are you?
19:53 <sethy> sethiroth66
19:53 <MTughan> 66th.
19:53 <PovAddict> :o
19:53 <sethy> :o
19:53 <sethy> c whut i did thur
19:53 <MTughan> lol, sethiroth66 is 66th...
19:54 <sethy> but in overall credit what am i?
19:54 <MTughan> You're 97th in total credit, compared to 121st for PovAddict.
19:54 <PovAddict> how can my RAC be 15.96?
19:54 <PovAddict> I crunched 3 workunits recently, after many months of nothing
19:54 <MTughan> WTF? I have 113,000 for you here...
19:54 <sethy> apparently i'm 52'nd in TFFE
19:55 <sethy> wait is this justseti?
19:55 <MTughan> This is just for S@H.
19:55 <sethy> AH
19:55 <PovAddict> yea
19:55 <MTughan> I'll see if I can get overall.
19:55 <sethy> i need to work more on my seti
19:56 <MTughan> 823 seems much more reasonable.
19:57 <MTughan> Yeah, that looks much more up to date.
19:57 <sethy> i'm 52
19:57 <PovAddict> I still dont get how I can have an 823 RAC by crunching 3 WUs
19:57 <MTughan> So you are. Is that sorting by RAC, or total?
19:57 <PovAddict> SETI site says my rac is 16
19:57 <sethy> total
19:57 <MTughan> PovAddict: That's for all projects too, you realize...
19:57 <PovAddict> o yea
19:58 <sethy> RAC i'm 10th
19:58 <MTughan> Okay, that's much better. wdsmia tops the lists in both total and RAC.
19:59 <MTughan> xcamel is second in both too.
20:00 <sethy> PovAddict, msn!
20:00 <PovAddict> I saw it
20:00 <sethy> or pigeon
20:00 <PovAddict> then you went offline
20:00 <sethy> yea
20:00 <sethy> gay router restarting
20:01 <MTughan> That's pidgin.
20:01 <sethy> but i'm worried cause she hasnt toldme
20:01 <sethy> i'm a europhag
20:01 <MTughan> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_stats.php?pr=bo&st=200&or=&teamid=e2921d64f6263da799e6c6bf18031d8e#241 http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_stats.php?pr=bo&st=100&or=&teamid=e2921d64f6263da799e6c6bf18031d8e#135
20:01 <MTughan> Is it just me or are those the same person?
20:01 <sethy> DOUBLE LINKZ
20:02 <sethy> dunno cause i has to go sleep
20:02 <PovAddict> cpid split?
20:02 <MTughan> Could be.
20:02 <sethy> i know spit
20:02 <sethy> oh split
20:02 <sethy> my bad
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20:03 <MTughan> Hey, seth_afk: You're on twice too. http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_stats.php?pr=bo&st=200&or=&teamid=e2921d64f6263da799e6c6bf18031d8e#276
20:05 <MTughan> Hehe... http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_stats.php?pr=bo&st=0&to=100&teamid=83be4829c1097114d8cd66393314b901#83 I'm number 83 on my team...
20:09 <MTughan> Am I posting too many links here?
20:09 <PovAddict> maybe
20:09 <PovAddict> bor'd?
20:09 <MTughan> Sort of.
20:10 <PovAddict> write a java download manager
20:11 <PovAddict> supporting metalinks and stuff
20:11 <MTughan> Not that kind of bored...
20:11 <PovAddict> lol
20:11 <MTughan> I'm supposed to be reading a book for English.
20:14 <PovAddict> are dmg's compressed?
20:14 <MTughan> bunzip compressed, as I've heard.
20:16 <MTughan> Why?
20:17 <PovAddict> more crazy xdelta ideas, that's all :P
20:17 <MTughan> Ah.
20:19 <MTughan> Man, I'm so bored, I'm having fun rerouting wires on my NXT robot...
20:24 <PovAddict> I FINISHED MY F'ING CPDN UNIT (360 hours elapsed)
20:24 <MTughan> 12.5% still on the yoyo@home WU...
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21:24 <PovAddict> &math convert 384 MB to bytes
21:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: 384000000
21:24 <PovAddict> &math convert 384 MiB to bytes
21:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: 402653184
21:26 <MTughan> We were wondering if the Allen Telescope Array would be used with S@H? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=42913&nowrap=true#659453
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21:50 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
21:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 60°F / 16°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then widespread showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall after midnight. Low in the upper 50s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph with (2 more messages)
21:50 <wdsmia> &more
21:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Monday - Showers likely and isolated thunderstorms in the morning... then a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall. High in the lower 60s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Monday Night - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Low in the (1 more message)
21:50 <wdsmia> &more
21:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: upper 40s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest after midnight.; Flood Warning for Warren County in effect until 8:49 PM CDT on October 15, 2007; Flash Flood Watch for Warren County in effect until 4:45 AM CDT on October 15, 2007;
21:50 <Romulus> sticks his head is hurting a bit to see what's goin' on
22:26 <PovAddict> seti down
22:26 <PovAddict> "We are having air conditioning problems. The project is down for the night."
22:34 <MTughan> Oh, they've shut down the DB now too.
22:34 <PovAddict> yep, that's it
22:34 <PovAddict> only web server seems up
22:34 <PovAddict> (which includes the scheduler, to return "project down" replies, and the file upload handler)
22:34 <MTughan> Earlier, it was just project stuff that was down. DB was still up. They've shut that down now too.
22:36 <MTughan> Hehe... I'd really like to have their sidious. "sidious: Intel Server (3 x dual-core 3GHz Xeon, 16 GB RAM)"
22:36 <MTughan> So what? 18GHz total? And 16GB RAM...
22:36 <PovAddict> if you just measure clock speed, yes
22:37 <MTughan> Well, even 16GB RAM is enough to really entice me.
22:37 <PovAddict> if you take into account the design improvements in xeon, it can be considered even faster depending on which processor you compare it to
22:37 <MTughan> Yes, but how recent are the Xeon's they have though?
22:37 <PovAddict> ah who knows
22:38 <PovAddict> ohh quadcore xeon...
22:38 <MTughan> I know there were Xeon's when they were making P4s.
22:38 <PovAddict> 1600MHz FSB :o
22:38 <MTughan> O_O
22:38 <MTughan> Holy sh*t...
22:38 <PovAddict> "Intel has one 1600 MHz dual-core Penryn based Xeon processor ready for launch â€“ the E5272. The Xeon E5272 features a 3.4 GHz clock speed and is priced at $1,172."
22:39 <MTughan> I think my P4 runs at about 400MHz...
22:39 <PovAddict> lol
22:39 <MTughan> $1,172. That for one processor?
22:39 <PovAddict> internally two ;)
22:39 <MTughan> Okay, fine.
22:39 <PovAddict> "Intel has also pulled in the launch of all dual-core Xeon processors to Q4 2007, with the quad-core processors. The dual-core Xeon E5260 and E5205 will also launch in Q4, not the Q1 2008 date earlier roadmaps showed."
22:40 <MTughan> Anyway, that price for one physical chip?
22:40 <PovAddict> probably
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22:41 <MTughan> 'Nuther topic: Do you know if the NXT has a datalog?
22:41 <PovAddict> I have only played with the included graphical environment, which surely doesn't
22:42 <PovAddict> (the RCX 2.0 firmware has a datalog but the graphical programming language doesn't let you access it)
22:42 <MTughan> Actually, the educational version of the RCX software, RoboLab, allowed you to access it.
22:42 <MTughan> This is an educational version of the NXT.
22:42 <PovAddict> well no idea then
22:42 <MTughan> Although it's called LabView.
22:43 <MTughan> The software
22:43 <MTughan> ...'s a real memory hog.
22:44 <MTughan> Opened file, using 175MB.
22:44 <PovAddict> well, RoboLab and RCX Code were fairly different
22:44 <PovAddict> but my version has LabView too
22:44 <MTughan> Oh cool... Not actually a datalog, but you can write files.
22:44 <PovAddict> oh yeah
22:45 <PovAddict> I remember seeing it on the leJOS javadoc for nxt
22:45 <PovAddict> it has java.io :P
22:45 <MTughan> Understandable... And can you use regex then?
22:45 <PovAddict> I doubt it
22:45 <MTughan> Hmm... Integer.parseInt?
22:46 <PovAddict> there's no wrapper classes
22:46 <MTughan> Wha?
22:46 <PovAddict> oh there is
22:46 <PovAddict> well... only Integer.toString it seems
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22:47 <MTughan> How does that work? BiteAbleKat joins the room, then tamar changes his name to BiteAbleKat...
22:47 <PovAddict> no, tamar joined, then tamar changed name to biteablekat
22:47 <PovAddict> btw DataInputStream.readInt is what you need
22:47 <MTughan> Hmm... Well, the server either sent the wrong info, or it was too fast for Colloquy.
22:48 <MTughan> I'm not currently looking at Java, but highly considering it.
22:48 <MTughan> You don't know how hard it is to wait for either a timer or a button push in the graphical software. I achieved it, but it's hard.
22:49 <PovAddict> new DataInputStream(new FileInputStream(new File("blah.log"))).readInt()
22:49 <PovAddict> whoa
22:49 <PovAddict> you can talk whatever you want via bluetooth
22:49 <MTughan> Yep.
22:50 <PovAddict> BTOutputStream
22:50 <MTughan> Apparently, you can ask for commands from a BlueTooth enabled phone.
22:50 <PovAddict> apparently lejos will also let you talk whatever you want via the usb port
22:50 <PovAddict> (not implemented yet)
22:52 <MTughan> Hmm... Apparently some cables that we got with our NXT set don't come with the commercial set...
22:52 <MTughan> We can use RCX sensors with it.
22:52 <PovAddict> like?
22:52 <PovAddict> ohh
22:52 <PovAddict> I saw a 3rd party company selling a converter
22:52 <BiteAbleKat> wheew assembling furniture is horrible
22:53 <PovAddict> along with dozens of cool sensors
22:53 <MTughan> One work. IKEA.
22:53 <PovAddict> there was a *compass* for the RCX!
22:53 <BiteAbleKat> especially the stuff ive been assembling from ikea
22:53 <MTughan> A compass?
22:53 <MTughan> Oh... Well, I've usually found it easy.
22:53 <PovAddict> yep an electronic compass; "let your robot where north is"
22:53 <BiteAbleKat> its like, pics with maybe the word CLICK here and there
22:53 <BiteAbleKat> i am not a good assembler
22:54 <BiteAbleKat> i suck at technical things
22:54 <MTughan> Do you write any assembler? :P
22:54 <PovAddict> lol
22:54 <PovAddict> BiteAbleKat: try programming
22:54 <BiteAbleKat> but my son needed new bedroom furniture
22:54 <PovAddict> lol
22:54 <MTughan> Anyway, yeah. The NXT kit we got came with three converter cables for old sensors.
22:54 <BiteAbleKat> if i programmed it would be a catastrophe, no doubt
22:54 <PovAddict> MTughan: wow interesting
22:55 <MTughan> lol
22:55 <PovAddict> MTughan: apart from Not Quite C, there is a Quite C which actually uses gcc
22:55 <MTughan> Although the only things you'd really use with it are the rotation and temperature sensors...
22:55 <PovAddict> and it gives you power: http://www.elenafrancesco.org/info/lego/qc/hello.jpg
22:55 <MTughan> Really? Where?
22:55 <BiteAbleKat> point and click, thats my motto
22:55 <MTughan> Rommie?
22:56 <MTughan> "HELL O"
22:56 <MTughan> Nice...
22:56 <PovAddict> that's some low-level control
22:56 <MTughan> Or could be a 0. Not sure.
22:56 <MTughan> Same level as assembler? Or higher?
22:56 <MTughan> Or is there even assembler for the RCX?
22:56 <PovAddict> well, the default firmware (and leJOS and others) have a bytecode interpreter
22:57 <PovAddict> with Quite C, you compile for the real microcontroller
22:57 <BiteAbleKat> lady with 16 kids on discovery health...omg NO THANKS
22:57 <PovAddict> lol
22:57 <MTughan> I think I might've seen that...
22:58 <BiteAbleKat> religion-driven
22:58 <Romulus> Title: Next Byte Codes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
22:58 <BiteAbleKat> the duggars
22:58 <MTughan> Yeah, I think I've seen the family on TV before then... Yep.
22:59 <PovAddict> MTughan: I think that's the first 3rd party programming system for NXT that was released
22:59 <MTughan> Cool... NXT has a 32-bit processor.
22:59 <PovAddict> I think NXC is built on top of it
23:03 <MTughan> Nice... Apparently the alpha for leJOS runs about 15x faster than the RCX version...
23:03 <PovAddict> you mean NXT compared to RCX?
23:04 <MTughan> Yeah, sorry.
23:04 <PovAddict> not so surprising, NXT CPU has some power in comparison
23:04 <MTughan> Yeah.
23:05 <MTughan> Oh, it's out of alpha now.
23:06 <PovAddict> lego did a jump from an 8-bit H8 microcontroller to 32-bit ARM CPU
23:07 <PovAddict> and it has a whole 256KB flash memory
23:08 <PovAddict> wow
23:08 <PovAddict> lego itself sells a compass sensor for NXT
23:09 <MTughan> Heh... I wonder... With these converter cables and the right upgrades, could NXT sensors be used with the RCX?
23:09 <PovAddict> lol I doubt it
23:09 <PovAddict> a gyroscope sensor!
23:09 <MTughan> Why not? If you're able to get raw data and know what it sends, you could probably do it.
23:10 <MTughan> A gyroscope sensor? O_O
23:10 <PovAddict> accelerometer :o
23:10 <Romulus> Title: LEGO Store - Gyroscopic Sensor for MINDSTORMSÂ® NXT (at shop.lego.com)
23:10 <Romulus> Title: LEGO Store - Accelerometer Sensor for MINDSTORMSÂ® NXT (at shop.lego.com)
23:10 <MTughan> Yes, I remember seeing an accelerometer...
23:10 <PovAddict> a light sensor distinguishing colors!
23:10 <PovAddict> I remember sooo many hack attempts at making one for the rcx
23:11 <PovAddict> like putting a few colored light filters in a wheel, making it turn in front of the light sensor, and sync readings with the wheel rotation
23:12 <MTughan> Nice look... So how does it report them? As RGB readings?
23:12 <MTughan> Ooo, an infrared sensor...
23:13 <PovAddict> I wish I could *send* infrared from the nxt
23:14 <MTughan> Oh wow, did we get a deal... Registration for the contest is $50, and the total cost we paid including the kit is $200... Retail price for the NXT is $350...
23:14 <PovAddict> nxt-rcx interaction
23:14 <PovAddict> 350??
23:14 <MTughan> With converter cables, you could potentially send signals over that.
23:14 <PovAddict> mine costed 250 and it's not the educational one
23:14 <MTughan> 250USD?
23:14 <PovAddict> yep
23:15 <MTughan> Yeah, damn retailers are still ripping us off.
23:15 <PovAddict> no chance in hell you can even *find* one of these kits here
23:15 <MTughan> Anyway, we still got about 50% off. We paid $150 for ours.
23:15 <PovAddict> yeah
23:16 <PovAddict> actually, availability of any lego kit here has decreased
23:16 <MTughan> And got a free rechargeable battery with it too.
23:16 <MTughan> Rechargeable batter is $75 here...
23:16 <MTughan> battery*
23:16 <PovAddict> eek
23:16 <MTughan> Well, and charger. We got both with the kit.
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23:17 <MTughan> 'lo efc
23:20 <MTughan> PovAddict is here too, he's just being quiet.
23:21 <PovAddict> LEGO kits were sold in Argentina by Hasbro
23:21 <MTughan> Hasbro? Wow...
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23:22 <PovAddict> well, I think they were no more than an a "middleman" between lego and the local toy shops
23:23 <PovAddict> importing it and stuff
23:23 <BiteAbleKat> i tried to get my kid to give away his two huge boxes of legos...he wouldnt go for that at all
23:23 <PovAddict> but hasbro went away from argentina a few years ago,
23:23 <MTughan> No, I wouldn't give up my LEGO anytime soon either.
23:24 <BiteAbleKat> we gutted his room of junk and outgrown things and stuff like that
23:24 <BiteAbleKat> the legos werent going anywhere
23:24 <PovAddict> I had my RIS kit on its closed box for a few years
23:24 <efc> moo
23:24 <PovAddict> since I was a bit too young for it when my dad bought it
23:25 <MTughan> So he is alive...
23:25 <PovAddict> moo efc
23:25 * efc Bovinenstein Graaarar!
23:25 <MTughan> Something with cows...
23:26 <efc> I visited an old mill today
23:26 <efc> I would give a (insert any organ which I have two of) to get a nice site like that...
23:26 <PovAddict> lung?
23:26 <MTughan> Testes?
23:27 <BiteAbleKat> lol
23:27 <efc> Wouldn't one of them be a Teste
23:27 <PovAddict> kidney?
23:27 <PovAddict> a leg maybe?
23:27 <efc> Probably could have picked them up dirt cheap in the 60s and 70s
23:28 <efc> When they all were out of business
23:28 <PovAddict> how about a heart ventricle?
23:28 <MTughan> You could say it literally costs you an arm and a leg.
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23:28 <efc> I don't think those are functionally redundant
23:29 <PovAddict> lol
23:29 <efc> well this probably wasn't the end-all of mills, it backed up a 200 acre lake, about 15 or 20 feet deep at the dam
23:29 <efc> i'd guess around 10 kW of grinding or whatever you want out of it
23:32 <efc> it must have been a real money maker back in the day to justify inundating that much land
23:33 <MTughan> "back in the day"?
23:33 <efc> in 1921, when they built it (there had been earlier ones at the same place)
23:33 <Romulus> Title: Georgia State Parks - Hamburg State Park (at gastateparks.org)
23:38 <efc> they didn't have an old fashioned millstone that I could see, but they didn't have the actual grinding part open
23:43 <efc> they had some hilarious environmental "exhibits"
23:46 <efc> One fishbowl type thing was labeled "Polluted Environment" and had a bunch of dead birds, trash, etc in it. The other was labeled "Clean Environment" and had more or less the same stuffed animals but propped upright. Classic.
23:46 <MTughan> Nice...
23:50 <efc> it was one of those oddball museums that gets the stuff the better ones didn't want