IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2007-10-14

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00:17 <E-30> hey

00:24 <efc> moo

00:25 <E-30> how are you doing efc

00:25 <E-30> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14957711@N03/?find=e-30%40sbcglobal.net

00:25 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12kQ> (at www.flickr.com)

00:29 <efc> pretty good

00:30 <efc> saw em, nice

00:31 <E-30> cool

00:31 <E-30> well still wateing on my new cpu to come in

00:31 <E-30> soon

00:32 <efc> nice, they blanked out the audio on the entire foo fighters song on SNL

00:32 <E-30> no

00:32 <efc> for some missing children crap

00:32 <efc> fortunately i don't like them too much hehe

00:32 <E-30> lol

00:32 <quail> hi and moo

00:32 <efc> maybe i'll get myself some computer junk for Christmas ..

00:32 <E-30> hey quail

00:33 <efc> don't really need it.. i no longer accomplish anything with the computer

00:33 <E-30> i see

00:33 <E-30> i am going quad core

00:33 <E-30> for jan

00:33 <quail> efc: if you pay the postage I'll send you some my computer junk

00:33 <efc> that would be sweet

00:33 <efc> You're in Aus?

00:34 <quail> efc: yeah

00:34 <E-30> my christmas

00:34 <efc> i mean the quad core is sweet, not adopting quail's junk :p

00:34 <E-30> lol

00:34 <quail> hehe

00:35 <efc> i like what RAAF does when they need to ship something up here.. they fly a C130

00:35 <efc> its almost the same price as UPS

00:35 <E-30> well duo core is putting out about 1400 a rac now

00:35 <E-30> not bad

00:36 <efc> do the quad cores sustain BOINC thermally?

00:36 <E-30> on watter cooling yes

00:36 <E-30> i dont know on passive yet

00:37 <PovAddict> is a normal fan enough?

00:37 <E-30> it will be a t 65 c at stock

00:38 <E-30> its runs the same as a dual core does

00:39 <efc> any dual socket quad core systems within reach of mortals? I have to ask hehe

00:39 <E-30> cost yes but useable no

00:40 <efc> that means an AMD one?

00:40 <E-30> hell now to much power

00:40 <E-30> no

00:40 <efc> just twice a single core I'd think ?

00:40 <E-30> yea

00:41 <efc> well thats why i'm spending 5 million dollars to get a hydro site to power the thing

00:41 <E-30> lol

00:41 <efc> ok maybe not but i wish

00:41 <PovAddict> gets you watercooling too

00:41 <efc> excellent point!

00:41 <efc> that'll be the next guide on tom's hardware

00:42 <PovAddict> "step 1: find a river"

00:42 <E-30> well all of that is running on one 650w power

00:42 <efc> power your machine and then stick it under the waterwheel

00:42 <E-30> lol

00:42 <efc> there are old mill ponds around here, but practically none of them do anything anymore

00:42 <PovAddict> well there you go

00:43 <efc> i'm trying

00:43 <E-30> true

00:43 <E-30> there

00:44 * quail would not mind a 4 x core 2 duo machine with 8GB ram

00:44 <E-30> what os will you run on that thing

00:45 <quail> linux

00:45 <efc> quad dual core? or dual quad core.. or quad quad or dual dual

00:45 <E-30> what is the max ram will it support

00:45 <E-30> wow

00:45 <efc> you'd have to run a 64 bit OS, but i assume thats a well traveled path now

00:45 <E-30> i wish i had one for vista

00:45 <quail> linux can handle up too 64GB ram

00:46 <E-30> cool

00:46 <E-30> if it work at blasted os

00:46 <E-30> i need to go blow up windows again

00:46 <efc> i guess Vista can do it but it'll use up 7 cores and 7 gigs to animate the stinking icons

00:47 <E-30> lol

00:47 <quail> E-30: but for that amount ram you have to compile the kernel yourself, but iirc debian does that kernel already but it optional

00:47 <E-30> i see a amd 64 300 run vista with now pro but it has 2.5 gig of ram

00:47 <E-30> amd 64 3000

00:48 <E-30> i wondere how many computers does wdsmia have now

00:49 <E-30> i have 6 working now

00:49 <efc> with that much power, i couldn't supply enough work over modem

00:50 <PovAddict> "A recent Linux kernel (version 2.6.16) can be compiled with support for up to 64 gigabytes of memory."

00:50 <E-30> well tow are in the states 3 are in germany and one in iraq right now

00:50 * quail not running as many computers as i used too

00:50 <E-30> lol

00:50 <efc> pretty much only running 1 2.8gig, with another 2.8 gig playing router on the weekends

00:51 <E-30> not bad

00:51 <quail> PovAddict: most the kernels can be compile to support 64GB ram

00:51 <PovAddict> apparently macs have a 16gig limit

00:51 <efc> I guess if you could find a place to find relatively recent laptops with busted screens, that might be a good worker per power

00:51 <E-30> macs suck unless you are doing arts

00:52 <PovAddict> &google 64-bit site:wikipedia.org

00:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.24 seconds: 64-bit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit>; x86-64 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64>; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Professional_x64_Edition>; PowerPC 970 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)

00:52 <quail> iirc windows has a 4GB limit

00:52 <E-30> xp

00:52 <E-30> i thout it had a 3 gig limet

00:53 <E-30> on pro

00:53 <PovAddict> on 32-bit...

00:53 <PovAddict> 1 gig address space reserved for kernel

00:53 <E-30> i see

00:54 <PovAddict> and 32-bit lets you address 4gig

00:54 <PovAddict> that leaves you 3gig

00:54 <efc> i think there are some versions that can address more than 4 gig physical but still only 4 gig logical (ie per process)

00:54 <E-30> ok

00:54 <efc> that performance extension crap or whatever intel called it

00:55 <E-30> not worth it at all no help at all for ram

00:55 <E-30> system crashes all the time frome it

00:56 <quail> E-30: hence why linux rocks

00:56 <E-30> well i play my games on linux

00:56 <PovAddict> actually windows can address 2gig on 32-bit

00:56 <PovAddict> 3 gig if you change a kernel option, but it causes problems with some drivers

00:56 <E-30> sli for onw

00:57 <E-30> one

00:57 <efc> on the other end of the power spectrum, i'd like a micro power system to run all my weird alternative energy systems and household stuff

00:57 <efc> if i ever get them

00:57 <E-30> its fuck the shit out of the sli driver and my moutherboard south bus

00:58 <efc> the PXE stuff?

00:58 <E-30> no having more then 2 gigs of ram

00:58 <PovAddict> no need for pxe, there is a /3GB switch on windows kernel that lets you address 3gig

00:58 <PovAddict> pxe is for even more than 4gig

00:59 <E-30> i see

01:04 <efc> i guess i'll have to wait for more sloppy software to justify that level of resources

01:05 <efc> 1.25 gb here and don't come close to using it all, except maybe when doing some audio stuff

01:05 <E-30> i go to 1.5 gig all the tiem becus of my gamming

01:06 <E-30> with boinc running

01:06 <E-30> it uses 250 mb of ram now

01:07 <efc> 455 atm with celestia and a huge map program going, and boinc s@h

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01:17 <efc> interesting stuff with BSG

01:17 <efc> not sure what they're really trying to do..

01:17 <PovAddict> http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/14/why-publishing-shoul.html

01:17 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12oj> (at www.boingboing.net)

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01:22 <E-30> ok back now

01:25 <quail> wb

01:26 <E-30> had to try out a new bios tool i got

01:26 <E-30> it work

01:26 * quail is enjoying his movie day

01:26 <E-30> yea

01:27 * quail just about to start the patriot

01:28 * quail really needs to buy a widescreen moronoscope

01:28 <E-30> well i went from floting point 2874 to 3064 and integer frome 6440 to 6900

01:29 <E-30> not bad for 100 mhz more on the oc

01:29 <E-30> i am going for stable now

01:29 <E-30> with 667 ocz ram

01:31 <E-30> now how do you tack a screen shot in windows again i forgot again

01:31 <PovAddict> press printscreen and paste it on paint or somewhere

01:31 <E-30> ok

01:34 <PovAddict> 12 hours left to finish this CPDN unit

01:35 <PovAddict> it was a small model, 347 hours elapsed and it's at 96.4%

01:35 <E-30> wow

01:38 <E-30> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14957711@N03/?find=e-30%40sbcglobal.net

01:38 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12kQ> (at www.flickr.com)

01:38 <E-30> well got the pic up now

01:40 <E-30> look at the original size to see everything

01:41 <quail> E-30: interesting them you running there

01:41 <E-30> well i am going back to bed now goo night

01:41 <E-30> why do you say taht

01:41 <quail> night E-30

01:42 <E-30> what do you think it shuld be then

01:42 <quail> E-30: what ever you like

01:42 <E-30> it ok now too bad i thin now for the stress test

01:45 <quail> this my desktop >>> http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/pub/current.png

01:45 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12os> (at quail.southernvaleslug.org)

01:45 <E-30> not bad

01:46 <E-30> the reson whyit is so long is becu i have it on two montors

01:46 <E-30> in sed of four

01:46 <Romulus> Should be done from a loyal win xp pro

01:46 <E-30> lol

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01:47 <quail> E-30: when i get my new video card i am going to be running dual 19" widescreen lcd's

01:48 <E-30> i am running tow 21 inch now

01:48 <quail> cause new video card going to have dvi d-sub and s-video

01:48 <E-30> it was hard as hell to get them the way they are in the air

01:49 <quail> friend giving me a brand new 128MB nvidia fx 5200

01:49 <E-30> cool

01:49 <quail> yeah that neat the way you got them suspend on cables

01:49 <E-30> ot on 550 cord

01:49 <E-30> its

01:50 <quail> kewl

01:50 <E-30> yea taht took some time

01:50 * quail just happy to have mine on my desk

01:50 <E-30> well now i am out zzzzzzzzz

01:51 <quail> or mounted on the wall

01:51 * E-30 zzzzzzzzzzzz

01:51 <quail> night night

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03:50 <E-30> ok i am back after a nap

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07:20 <CoderForLife> off to get food for the family - bbl

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09:24 <desti> http://www.zahal.org/tshirts/index.htm

09:24 <Romulus> Title: ZAHAL - IDF,Israel, T-shirt, T-shirts, Israeli, IDF, ZAHAL (at www.zahal.org)

09:25 <CoderForLife> back

09:25 <CoderForLife> morning any and all

09:26 <desti> lo

09:27 <CoderForLife> hello desti

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10:18 <CoderForLife> morning quail

10:18 <quail> hiya Don

10:19 <CoderForLife> about ready to head back to TAFE in the morning?

10:20 <quail> no Tuesday morning

10:20 <CoderForLife> ah

10:20 <quail> but it close

10:20 <CoderForLife> yup

10:20 <CoderForLife> I go back to my real job tomorrow

10:21 <quail> yup

10:24 <quail> i am tring to weed out a prob with my linux box, damn thing not loading the gdm on reboot or power up, but if i reinstall the nvidia drivers i get it all back

10:25 <CoderForLife> hmm

10:26 <quail> and of coarse i get told when reinstalling the drivers that they are already there

10:27 <quail> and i can't find any noticable errors in logs to tell me why it is happening

10:32 <CoderForLife> ah, a tech mystery!

10:32 <CoderForLife> I'd try Professor Plum in the Library with the Candlestick

10:33 <quail> huh?

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10:34 <E-30> hi

10:34 <CoderForLife> hello E-30

10:34 <quail> hey E-30

10:34 <CoderForLife> nm quail - was making a joke about the Clue game

10:35 <quail> oh, hehe

10:35 <E-30> lol

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11:05 <xcamel> re-hi

11:06 <xcamel> snow-in-the-mountains

11:06 <xcamel> burrrr...

11:07 <quail> hiya Jay

11:08 <xcamel> Hiya Dale

11:08 <quail> how are you mate?

11:08 <xcamel> warming up again

11:09 <quail> :-)

11:09 <xcamel> was 37F with snow on the hill this morning

11:09 <xcamel> 48 here at home

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11:17 <quail> oh

11:18 <xcamel> yeah... chilly.

11:18 <MTughan> 'lo all

11:18 <xcamel> spent the night up in Lake Placid (NY)

11:18 <quail> this how the weather has been here of late >>> http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/cgi-bin/weather.cgi

11:18 <MTughan> Well, you all have it colder than us right now... 52F, 11C ATM.

11:18 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/tNH> (at quail.southernvaleslug.org)

11:19 <xcamel> 3 hour drive back home this morning

11:20 <MTughan> Ouch...

11:20 <xcamel> where are you MT?

11:20 <MTughan> Toronto, Canada.

11:20 <xcamel> Ho.. thats right

11:20 <sethy> theres no hoe's in here xcamel

11:20 <CoderForLife> morning MT, xc

11:21 <MTughan> lol, sethy

11:21 <CoderForLife> hey sethy

11:21 <xcamel> used to be Canada's prettiest city, now the most libera

11:21 <MTughan> Morning to you too, CFL.

11:21 <xcamel> liberal..

11:21 <quail> hey MTughan and sethy

11:21 <sethy> hey MTughan, CoderForLife, quail, xcamel

11:21 <xcamel> 'lo Don, sethy

11:21 <MTughan> How long can the greeting strings get?

11:22 <xcamel> dunno

11:22 <quail> MTughan: as long as you wants

11:22 <quail> &nicks

11:22 <Romulus> quail: benje, BiteAbleKat, bryanUC, Celelibi, CoderForLife, codewarrior__, cr00ked, deprecated, desti, ELGono, elvedin, f0urtyfive, FauxFaux, freakazoid0223, freelarry, hawmps, IdleOne, kirvesrinta, Lorvija, mac_55, MacG, MTughan, PITS_92, PovAddict, quail, redeeman, Romulus, sacater, sethy, siofwolves, Soul_keeper, TheFons, thoren, tillmanf, x29a, and xcamel

11:22 <MTughan> True...

11:22 <siofwolves> check

11:22 <MTughan> 'lo

11:22 <sethy> czeck?

11:22 <xcamel> you just woke a bunch of people up...

11:22 <CoderForLife> lol

11:22 <quail> thats how you wake everyone up at one time

11:23 <MTughan> I know PovAddict's comp beeps when his name is mentioned.

11:23 <desti> doh!

11:23 <xcamel> 'rattle cages'

11:23 <quail> lets keep saying PovAddict

11:23 <MTughan> lol

11:23 <sethy> so we should all put PovAddict in out lines

11:23 <sethy> so PovAddict gets curious

11:23 <sethy> and PovAddict gets worries

11:23 <sethy> and so PovAddict thinks we're taslking about him

11:23 <MTughan> You know PovAddict may be sleeping?

11:24 <siofwolves> mine uses the system speaker beep upon nick highlight (xchat)

11:24 <sethy> i know PovAddict IS slepping

11:24 <xcamel> another darwin award...

11:24 <quail> PovAddict: comes back and says he had a beeping dream last night

11:24 <CoderForLife> PovAddict is probably not sleeping now

11:24 <MTughan> Well, maybe not. It's 12:30PM there.

11:24 <xcamel> http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=1969053

11:24 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12qs> (at www.ksl.com)

11:24 <xcamel> Teen Electrocuted while Climbing Tower

11:24 <sethy> PovAddict "i had the most awefull dream that i was beeping"

11:24 <xcamel> ... reaching a crossbar that serves as a platform. Once there Nye stood and put his hands up in the air before being electrocuted.

11:25 <xcamel> "duh"

11:25 <sethy> doh?

11:25 <xcamel> 46,000 volt line

11:25 <MTughan> They're not sure whether he touched the 46,000V power line there.

11:25 <sethy> PovAddict did

11:25 <xcamel> didn't have to...

11:25 <MTughan> >_>

11:26 <sethy> PovAddict did everything

11:26 <MTughan> Any idea about this? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071014

11:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12qt> (at ars.userfriendly.org)

11:26 * sethy walks away

11:28 <desti> us have lost every land war in asia

11:28 <CoderForLife> I imagine the line above him arced to ground when he closed the distance by reaching up

11:28 <CoderForLife> he was the path to ground

11:28 <MTughan> Through the tower too.

11:29 <CoderForLife> yep

11:29 <quail> damn he from Fruit Heights, that just says it all

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11:30 <MTughan> lol

11:30 <xcamel> french-fried-fruit

11:31 <CoderForLife> yup - that'll kill you right now

11:31 * CoderForLife studied power engineering in college

11:32 <CoderForLife> I learned enough to stay away

11:32 <CoderForLife> and to stand on my right foot and keep my left hand tucked away if I have to do something with power

11:33 <MTughan> ?

11:33 <quail> CoderForLife: i have been thrown across the room with 6KV from the plate of a valve

11:33 <CoderForLife> yeah, I saw a guy nearly killed while he was working a 6000V breaker

11:34 <CoderForLife> the only thing that saved him was having his right arm touching the side of the breaker cabinet

11:34 <MTughan> Apart from power, we got to launch a potato quite a distance with some hairspray last year in physics class.

11:34 <quail> i can tell you it hurt, and i learnt my lession real fast

11:34 <MTughan> quail: That was you?

11:34 <quail> me what?

11:35 <MTughan> That was working on the 6000V breaker?

11:35 <CoderForLife> no

11:35 <MTughan> Oh, I see. Missed your earlier message.

11:35 <quail> no, i was working on a WWII valve radio

11:36 <xcamel> we used to play nasty tricks on people with neon sign transformers

11:36 <CoderForLife> the other thing was, the breaker was safety-tagged to be ready to work on

11:36 <xcamel> 7500-10000v at just a couple of mils

11:36 <CoderForLife> only takes 0.5 milliamp across the heart

11:37 <CoderForLife> regardless of the voltage

11:37 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm sure... I'll stick with working with 120V, 5A power. Standard AC power in North America.

11:37 <xcamel> to restart it too...

11:37 <CoderForLife> yep

11:37 <CoderForLife> anything above that is just for broiling

11:37 <MTughan> This is a rather morbid conversation...

11:38 <CoderForLife> you're right about that

11:38 <CoderForLife> and I've not told any of the bad stories - this guy lived

11:39 <xcamel> the copper thieves have been getting grilles like a charcoal brick all over the place lately

11:39 <xcamel> er grilled

11:40 <xcamel> one guy could only be identified by a partial print on his left pinky

11:40 <xcamel> and he was right handed

11:40 <CoderForLife> yep - stealing copper can get you the death penalty

11:41 <MTughan> In more ways than one. ;)

11:42 <CoderForLife> the instinctive thing once you get bit and can't let go with your right hand is to use your left hand to try to knock yourself free - that results in both arms getting burnt off

11:42 <CoderForLife> I've seen this

11:43 <quail> CoderForLife: you doing some steaks today?

11:43 <CoderForLife> lol

11:43 <CoderForLife> not now

11:43 <xcamel> they only found him after seeing smoke rolling out of a small window at a recently closed auto parts store...

11:43 <quail> CoderForLife: i was going to drop in for lunch ;-)

11:44 <CoderForLife> meat is suddenly not so appetizing

11:44 <xcamel> I still have to go feed the zoo...

11:44 <xcamel> and go get more feed...

11:44 <CoderForLife> later xcamel

11:44 <quail> xcamel: how is the zoo

11:44 <xcamel> doing well

11:45 <quail> xcamel: i got asked yesterday if i knew anyone that wanted a camel

11:45 <xcamel> you have all droms in AU

11:45 <xcamel> I don't like droms

11:45 <quail> i said to them yes, but that friend in the us of a

11:46 <quail> droms?

11:46 <xcamel> one-hump

11:46 <quail> i not know camels so not know the diff

11:46 <MTughan> Short for dromedary.

11:46 <quail> no this a 2 humped camel

11:46 <xcamel> really?

11:47 <xcamel> how old?

11:47 <quail> the camel on the property not far from where my mum keeps her horses

11:47 <xcamel> hmmm...

11:47 <quail> xcamel: i will find out for you, but it to far to send the us of a

11:48 <quail> and man it will cost alot to

11:48 <xcamel> probably not gelded, and causing trouble...

11:48 <quail> i will try get some pics for you too

11:48 <xcamel> cool..

11:48 <xcamel> and his/her age

11:48 <quail> it actually friendly i have met it

11:49 <quail> yep

11:49 <xcamel> they are, except for 6 weeks a year when (if intact) thay can be very dangerous.

11:50 <quail> oh

12:07 <CoderForLife> bbl

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12:41 <xcamel> needed some warm lunch...

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12:49 <quail> yeah warm food is the best sometimes :-)

12:53 <xcamel> well... off to get feed for the zoo...

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13:06 <HeXiLeD> hello guys

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13:07 <HeXiLeD> so lets see.. im thinking about setting up boinc on my p3 600mhz . worthy ?

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13:09 * siofwolves runs it on a p3 450mhz

13:20 <HeXiLeD> :)

13:21 <HeXiLeD> siofwolves: does it use a lot of cpu and or ram ?

13:21 <siofwolves> its set to run when the pc is not in use.

13:22 <siofwolves> HeXiLeD, i'm not running it on this box btw.

13:22 <HeXiLeD> so 'when its not in use'

13:22 <HeXiLeD> what if the box is a server already

13:22 <Romulus> wonders whether to tell the boinc directory in there

13:23 <siofwolves> HeXiLeD, no, its for the kids and missus to use.

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13:23 <HeXiLeD> ok. in your case. but i mean in my case. the box runs a few server appz already

13:24 <HeXiLeD> so boinc would be 24/7

13:24 <siofwolves> HeXiLeD, you'll find it in here somewhere -> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/user_search_action.php?search_string=siofwolves

13:24 <HeXiLeD> hence why i ask how much does it eat on the cpu / ram

13:24 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12rW> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

13:24 <HeXiLeD> lets see

13:24 <siofwolves> HeXiLeD, you can set max cpu usage in the boinc settings.

13:25 <HeXiLeD> will it still do its task properly ? or will it decrease boinc results ?

13:26 <HeXiLeD> and i assume the boinc replaces seti ?

13:30 <siofwolves> seti runs in boinc as a project. if you set less cpu then yes you will decrease your results.

13:31 <HeXiLeD> since one can run boinc only as client; whats the advantage of that ?

13:31 <HeXiLeD> i mean... runing the server will helt  the grid ..

13:31 <HeXiLeD> *help

13:32 <HeXiLeD> but as client only ,whats the use ? just being updated ?

13:32 <siofwolves> help the grid is crunching data and sending it to the main server.

13:33 <siofwolves> you run boinc to donload > crunch > report back.

13:33 <siofwolves> download*

13:37 <MTughan> So yes, as long as there's not too much load on the server, and BOINC is set up right, you won't see any drop in performance of your server. Even if it is a P3 600MHz.

13:39 <MTughan> What type of server is it anyway? File server, webserver, database server?

13:40 <siofwolves> boinc isn't a server

13:41 <MTughan> No, he's wanting to set it up on a server. I'm wondering what type of server it is now.

13:41 <siofwolves> MTughan, where are you getting this from ?

13:42 <MTughan> File server won't require as much CPU as a DB server or a webserver with dynamic pages.

13:42 <HeXiLeD> home server . ftp/s. http/s sshd . irc/s telnet nfs

13:42 <HeXiLeD> mysql too , voip

13:43 <MTughan> Okay, so that'll use a bit more CPU than just a straight file server.

13:43 <MTughan> Means less that S@H can use.

13:44 <HeXiLeD> wellwhan i asked about boinc tro run as server is that  i can compile it to work as a client only or also as a server application

13:44 <HeXiLeD> *well when

13:45 <HeXiLeD> boinc_client  boinc_cmd     boinc_gui

13:45 <MTughan> Running a BOINC server is only for people who are making their own project.

13:45 <HeXiLeD> ah.

13:45 <MTughan> For example, SETI@Home is a project, so they have their own server for that.

13:46 <HeXiLeD> that server works for the grid right ? or not?

13:46 <MTughan> If doesn't actually do any work on the project.

13:47 <MTughan> If you want to know details, it basically takes workunit requests from clients, passes them the WUs, and then takes completed ones and deals with them.

13:49 <HeXiLeD> ok.. lets ask it this way: to be part of the boinc/seti grid  do i need to set it as a server or client ?

13:49 <MTughan> Client.

13:50 <HeXiLeD> ok. i get the project explanation now

13:50 <HeXiLeD> not worthy to run my own

13:50 <MTughan> "not worthy", lol

13:51 <HeXiLeD> lol

13:51 <HeXiLeD> eheh

13:51 <HeXiLeD> anyway ..

13:51 <HeXiLeD> will 'client it'

13:52 <HeXiLeD> anyone here running it with nix ?

13:52 <MTughan> quail?

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13:53 <HeXiLeD> quail?

13:53 <MTughan> User here. He runs it on Linux.

13:53 <c0dewarrior> I'd be another critter

13:53 <HeXiLeD> oh :)

13:56 <MTughan> quail? Are you even here?

13:58 <HeXiLeD> top | grep boinc

13:58 <HeXiLeD> or ps aux

13:58 <MTughan> What about?

13:59 <MTughan> If you're not running BOINC, they won't return anything.

14:00 <MTughan> Well, "top | grep boinc" won't return anything.

14:08 <HeXiLeD> whats the 'credit' for ? what does it mean ?

14:09 <MTughan> Just shows how much work a computer has done.

14:14 <HeXiLeD> ok.. so .. einstein or seti ?

14:14 <HeXiLeD> what do u think ?

14:14 <MTughan> You can run both. I do.

14:15 <HeXiLeD> i might run them plus roseta

14:28 <HeXiLeD> humm it fails to attach to a project when i put the key

14:28 <MTughan> Key?

14:29 <HeXiLeD> Enter your Account Key

14:29 <HeXiLeD> in fact i would like to create a team

14:29 <MTughan> Well, a team you can make from the web interface.

14:30 <HeXiLeD> im there ...

14:30 <HeXiLeD> click to create and it takes me to a login page  for existing usersa

14:31 <HeXiLeD> click to create and it takes me to a login page  for existing userss

14:31 <MTughan> SETI@Home?

14:31 <HeXiLeD> roseta

14:32 <MTughan> Create a new account or create a team?

14:32 <HeXiLeD> create team

14:33 <HeXiLeD> creat new account takes me to the same page

14:33 <Romulus> looks like I'll have to run PHP4 and PHP5 with the 939 stuff

14:33 <MTughan> Okay, I can't help you specifically for Rosetta@Home, because I'm not part of it.

14:33 <MTughan> Ignore Romulus. He's a bot.

14:33 <HeXiLeD> ok

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14:34 <E-30> hey

14:34 <MTughan> Ah. E-30: Are you part of Rosetta@Hom?

14:34 <MTughan> Home*

14:34 <MTughan> HeXiLeD would like to make a team there, but he seems to have a problem.

14:35 <HeXiLeD> yes.

14:35 <HeXiLeD> team and account

14:35 <HeXiLeD> can u send me the url for that ?

14:35 <HeXiLeD> cuz on this side... its not going well

14:35 <MTughan> You have to make an account before you can make a team.

14:36 <MTughan> You're using a command-line version of BOINC? Or is it a GUI?

14:36 <HeXiLeD> cmd line

14:36 <E-30> yea but its not ative

14:36 <E-30> why

14:36 <HeXiLeD> ok.. url for an account pls :D

14:37 <MTughan> I don't know if there is one for Rosetta@Home... There is for S@H.

14:38 <MTughan> This is all I can find about joining Rosetta@Home. http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/rah_intro.php

14:38 <Romulus> Title: Join Rosetta@home (at boinc.bakerlab.org)

14:38 <HeXiLeD> ok.. lets skip roseta for now. einstein project

14:38 <MTughan> E@H... One sec.

14:38 <MTughan> http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/create_account_form.php

14:38 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12s9> (at einstein.phys.uwm.edu)

14:38 <HeXiLeD> oh i found something for roseta

14:39 <MTughan> I've been ignoring it for now, but it's Rosetta, with two T's.

14:40 <HeXiLeD> ok. roseTTa  :P account time

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14:45 <MTughan> HeXiLeD: If you were ever wanting to run your own server and project, yoyo[RKN] could help you.

14:45 <MTughan> Speaking of which, that WU is still at 12.5%.

14:46 <yoyo[RKN]> really

14:46 <yoyo[RKN]> strange

14:47 <yoyo[RKN]> how many cpu time consumed the wu?

14:47 <MTughan> It's reporting 1:15:05, but it's been much more than that.

14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> I just returned from an italien restaurant, now I'm drunken ;)

14:48 <MTughan> lol

14:48 <Romulus> I don't fiddle with it, I might suggest The Final Front Ear

14:48 <MTughan> So what? All Italians are drunk?

14:48 <yoyo[RKN]> no, but they ade me drunken

14:49 <yoyo[RKN]> hi^7 Saenger

14:49 <c0dewarrior> yoyo[RKN]: don't drink and type! will only end in despair :-p

14:49 <MTughan> lol

14:50 <E-30> lol

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14:50 <MTughan> You know we have a visitor too?

14:51 <xcamel> back again

14:51 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: ?

14:51 <MTughan> HeXiLeD.

14:51 <c0dewarrior> hello hawmps

14:51 <c0dewarrior> *HeXiLeD

14:52 <E-30> hey cfl

14:52 <MTughan> Autocomplete failing you?

14:52 <c0dewarrior> <-- not cfl

14:52 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: Microsoft keyboard failing me... :-(

14:52 <MTughan> CFL is CoderForLife.

14:52 <E-30> i know

14:52 <MTughan> Yeah, M$ keyboards are bad. Use Logitech.

14:52 <c0dewarrior> like the number 42

14:52 <E-30> true

14:53 <E-30> i am useing the g15 right now

14:53 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: The original m$ naturals were really good...

14:53 <c0dewarrior> survived a nuclear war even

14:53 <c0dewarrior> or close to it

14:53 <E-30> yea i like the split ones

14:54 <MTughan> I have a three-year old MX Duo that's gone through a fair amount of abuse (I have a bit of a temper sometimes), and it's still going strong.

14:54 <E-30> wow

14:54 <c0dewarrior> hehe, ditto

14:55 <E-30> i have a 4 year old track ball mouse that has been to iraq and back 2 times and still works

14:55 <E-30> fro logitech

14:55 <c0dewarrior> it being packed in bubblewrap doesn't count :-p

14:55 <MTughan> Well, the MX Duo comes with a rechargeable mouse. I'm still using the original batteries!

14:56 <E-30> it was us all the tiem

14:56 <E-30> time

14:56 <E-30> wow

14:56 <E-30> cool

14:57 <c0dewarrior> I still want :

14:57 <c0dewarrior> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm

14:57 <Romulus> Title: Kinesis US Model Contoured Keyboards (at www.kinesis-ergo.com)

14:57 <c0dewarrior> They're just hard to come by

14:57 <MTughan> What the?

14:58 <E-30> wtf

14:58 <E-30> is that

14:58 <E-30> looks like some out of the 80s

14:58 <c0dewarrior> lol

14:58 <c0dewarrior> it's the most comfy board ever

14:59 <MTughan> Well, because it looks like an '80s style, stores figure people won't buy it. So they don

14:59 <MTughan> ..'t stock it.

14:59 <E-30> lol

14:59 <c0dewarrior> sadly yes... it's like computer fashion...

14:59 <E-30> someone sees eye to eye with me

14:59 <MTughan> How they figured to place the Enter key so close to the apostrophe, I have no idea.

15:00 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: the enter key should be 5 meters from anything else imho

15:00 <MTughan> lol

15:01 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: guy I worked with used to write dvorak layout on his keyboards at work, and scratched off the printed letters...

15:01 <xcamel> I love my saitek lighted keyboard

15:01 <E-30> yea for 299 dollars it better make dinner for me

15:02 <E-30> i liek my g 15

15:02 <c0dewarrior> E-30: agreed, and do foot massages

15:02 <E-30> yea

15:02 <MTughan> Well, that's slightly worse than at my school. They colour over the letters with permanent marker.

15:02 <xcamel> a little higher than your foot, I think...

15:02 <E-30> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=KS&Product_Code=PD017LMM&Category_Code=TB

15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> what was HeXiLeD asking?

15:02 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12sE> (at www.kinesis-ergo.com)

15:02 <E-30> there is my mouse

15:03 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: He was wanting to run BOINC on a server.

15:03 <c0dewarrior> E-30: looks like a alien probe that's been domesticated

15:03 <MTughan> Not BOINC as a server, but on a server.

15:03 <E-30> lol

15:03 <E-30> i game on it all the tiem

15:03 <E-30> time

15:06 <c0dewarrior> This is a better sample of the curved board with numeric pad: http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-ltype-intro.html

15:06 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12sG> (at www.maltron.com)

15:06 * xcamel hates trackballs

15:06 <MTughan> O_O

15:07 <MTughan> How does one even use that thing?

15:07 <c0dewarrior> no different than any other board, just your hand survives after a year of using it

15:08 <MTughan> What do you call surviving?

15:08 <c0dewarrior> not having RSI or arthritis

15:08 <MTughan> I've been programming for three years now, and haven't had any. Or CTS.

15:08 <c0dewarrior> 3 years?!

15:09 <MTughan> What about three years?

15:09 <CoderForLife> did someone call for me?

15:09 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: You'll notice it only after about 7-10 years...

15:09 <c0dewarrior> CFL!

15:10 <MTughan> Well, I'm only 17 at this point.

15:10 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: at that age, even if you did get RSI, you'd recover within a week :-p

15:10 <MTughan> Good to know.

15:11 <CoderForLife> looks like it was E-30

15:11 <CoderForLife> then MTughan

15:11 <MTughan> I said that CFL was you, no c0dewarrior.

15:11 <MTughan> not*

15:12 <c0dewarrior> CFL CFL CFL!

15:12 <c0dewarrior> then it was me me and me

15:12 <MTughan> ...

15:12 <CoderForLife> my systray icon was flashing

15:12 <MTughan> Like PovAddict's? :D

15:13 <E-30> lol

15:13 <CoderForLife> dunno - can't say

15:14 <CoderForLife> it doesn't beep

15:14 <E-30> then who is c0dewarrior

15:14 <c0dewarrior> ehe, nono, who's E-30

15:14 <MTughan> c0dewarrior. Who else?

15:14 <MTughan> E

15:14 <MTughan> And that was intentional.

15:14 <E-30> lol

15:14 <CoderForLife> I am #2, who is #1

15:14 <c0dewarrior> hehe

15:15 <MTughan> Prisoner!

15:15 <CoderForLife> yup =)

15:15 <c0dewarrior> 0_o

15:15 <MTughan> British TV series. In what, the 60's?

15:16 <c0dewarrior> http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-single.html

15:16 <Romulus> Title: Maltron Keyboards - Special needs (at www.maltron.com)

15:16 <MTughan> 60's or 70's. I don't remember.

15:16 <c0dewarrior> ^^ even better

15:16 <CoderForLife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner

15:16 <Romulus> Title: The Prisoner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

15:16 <MTughan> o_O

15:16 <MTughan> If I could get an eye twitching, that'd be better.

15:17 <MTughan> Whoa... Only 6 months, and yet we have 6 DVDs of it?

15:18 <CoderForLife> it's deep...

15:19 <E-30> lol

15:24 <CoderForLife> going to go watch some football = bbl

15:40 <MTughan> HeXiLeD: How are you getting on?

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16:11 <E-30> lol

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18:52 <xcamel> back again

19:03 <MTughan> Ditto.

19:03 <PovAddict> beep to you too

19:03 <MTughan> lol

19:09 <MTughan> So did it beep?

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19:13 <PovAddic1> didn't disconnect in the many hours I was away, and NOW it starts

19:13 <MTughan> lol

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19:28 <MTughan> PovAddic1: Old quit.

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19:28 <MTughan> I guess you noticed...

19:42 <MTughan> Hehe... One BOINC WU and an ffmpeg encoding going on ATM. Activity Monitor sometimes reports the idle CPU as -0.00%. :P

19:52 <MTughan> Nice... PovAddict: For the TFFE on S@H, you're number 50 in RAC.

19:52 <PovAddict> wtf

19:52 <MTughan> wdsmia, you're number 6. xcamel is 8th.

19:52 <PovAddict> so high?

19:52 <sethy> what am i?

19:53 <MTughan> http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/teams.php?team=112286&show=1&sort=TC&project=sah 121 for total cred.

19:53 <MTughan> What name are you?

19:53 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12tz> (at www.boincsynergy.com)

19:53 <sethy> sethiroth66

19:53 <MTughan> 66th.

19:53 <PovAddict> :o

19:53 <sethy> :o

19:53 <sethy> c whut i did thur

19:53 <MTughan> lol, sethiroth66 is 66th...

19:54 <sethy> but in overall credit what am i?

19:54 <MTughan> You're 97th in total credit, compared to 121st for PovAddict.

19:54 <PovAddict> how can my RAC be 15.96?

19:54 <PovAddict> I crunched 3 workunits recently, after many months of nothing

19:54 <MTughan> WTF? I have 113,000 for you here...

19:54 <sethy> apparently i'm 52'nd in TFFE

19:55 <sethy> wait is this justseti?

19:55 <MTughan> This is just for S@H.

19:55 <sethy> AH

19:55 <PovAddict> yea

19:55 <MTughan> I'll see if I can get overall.

19:55 <sethy> i need to work more on my seti

19:55 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_stats.php?pr=bo&st=0&teamid=e2921d64f6263da799e6c6bf18031d8e#82

19:55 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12u1> (at boincstats.com)

19:56 <MTughan> 823 seems much more reasonable.

19:57 <MTughan> Yeah, that looks much more up to date.

19:57 <sethy> i'm 52

19:57 <PovAddict> I still dont get how I can have an 823 RAC by crunching 3 WUs

19:57 <MTughan> So you are. Is that sorting by RAC, or total?

19:57 <PovAddict> SETI site says my rac is 16

19:57 <sethy> total

19:57 <MTughan> PovAddict: That's for all projects too, you realize...

19:57 <PovAddict> o yea

19:58 <sethy> RAC i'm 10th

19:58 <MTughan> Okay, that's much better. wdsmia tops the lists in both total and RAC.

19:59 <MTughan> xcamel is second in both too.

20:00 <sethy> PovAddict, msn!

20:00 <PovAddict> I saw it

20:00 <sethy> or pigeon

20:00 <PovAddict> then you went offline

20:00 <sethy> yea

20:00 <sethy> gay router restarting

20:01 <MTughan> That's pidgin.

20:01 <sethy> but i'm worried cause she hasnt toldme

20:01 <sethy> i'm a europhag

20:01 <MTughan> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_stats.php?pr=bo&st=200&or=&teamid=e2921d64f6263da799e6c6bf18031d8e#241 http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_stats.php?pr=bo&st=100&or=&teamid=e2921d64f6263da799e6c6bf18031d8e#135

20:01 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12u4> (at boincstats.com)

20:01 <MTughan> Is it just me or are those the same person?

20:01 <sethy> DOUBLE LINKZ

20:02 <sethy> dunno cause i has to go sleep

20:02 <PovAddict> cpid split?

20:02 <MTughan> Could be.

20:02 <sethy> i know spit

20:02 <sethy> oh split

20:02 <sethy> my bad

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20:03 <MTughan> Hey, seth_afk: You're on twice too. http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_stats.php?pr=bo&st=200&or=&teamid=e2921d64f6263da799e6c6bf18031d8e#276

20:03 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12u5> (at boincstats.com)

20:05 <MTughan> Hehe... http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_stats.php?pr=bo&st=0&to=100&teamid=83be4829c1097114d8cd66393314b901#83 I'm number 83 on my team...

20:05 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12u9> (at boincstats.com)

20:09 <MTughan> Am I posting too many links here?

20:09 <PovAddict> maybe

20:09 <PovAddict> bor'd?

20:09 <MTughan> Sort of.

20:10 <PovAddict> write a java download manager

20:11 <PovAddict> supporting metalinks and stuff

20:11 <MTughan> Not that kind of bored...

20:11 <PovAddict> lol

20:11 <MTughan> I'm supposed to be reading a book for English.

20:14 <PovAddict> are dmg's compressed?

20:14 <MTughan> bunzip compressed, as I've heard.

20:16 <MTughan> Why?

20:17 <PovAddict> more crazy xdelta ideas, that's all :P

20:17 <MTughan> Ah.

20:19 <MTughan> Man, I'm so bored, I'm having fun rerouting wires on my NXT robot...

20:24 <PovAddict> I FINISHED MY F'ING CPDN UNIT (360 hours elapsed)

20:24 <MTughan> 12.5% still on the yoyo@home WU...

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21:24 <PovAddict> &math convert 384 MB to bytes

21:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: 384000000

21:24 <PovAddict> &math convert 384 MiB to bytes

21:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: 402653184

21:26 <MTughan> We were wondering if the Allen Telescope Array would be used with S@H? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=42913&nowrap=true#659453

21:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12v0> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

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21:50 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

21:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 60°F / 16°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then widespread showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall after midnight. Low in the upper 50s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph with (2 more messages)

21:50 <wdsmia> &more

21:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Monday - Showers likely and isolated thunderstorms in the morning... then a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall. High in the lower 60s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Monday Night - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Low in the (1 more message)

21:50 <wdsmia> &more

21:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: upper 40s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest after midnight.; Flood Warning for Warren County in effect until 8:49 PM CDT on October 15, 2007; Flash Flood Watch for Warren County in effect until 4:45 AM CDT on October 15, 2007;

21:50 <Romulus> sticks his head is hurting a bit to see what's goin' on

22:26 <PovAddict> seti down

22:26 <PovAddict> "We are having air conditioning problems. The project is down for the night."

22:34 <MTughan> Oh, they've shut down the DB now too.

22:34 <PovAddict> yep, that's it

22:34 <PovAddict> only web server seems up

22:34 <PovAddict> (which includes the scheduler, to return "project down" replies, and the file upload handler)

22:34 <MTughan> Earlier, it was just project stuff that was down. DB was still up. They've shut that down now too.

22:36 <MTughan> Hehe... I'd really like to have their sidious. "sidious: Intel Server (3 x dual-core 3GHz Xeon, 16 GB RAM)"

22:36 <MTughan> So what? 18GHz total? And 16GB RAM...

22:36 <PovAddict> if you just measure clock speed, yes

22:37 <MTughan> Well, even 16GB RAM is enough to really entice me.

22:37 <PovAddict> if you take into account the design improvements in xeon, it can be considered even faster depending on which processor you compare it to

22:37 <MTughan> Yes, but how recent are the Xeon's they have though?

22:37 <PovAddict> ah who knows

22:38 <PovAddict> ohh quadcore xeon...

22:38 <MTughan> I know there were Xeon's when they were making P4s.

22:38 <PovAddict> 1600MHz FSB :o

22:38 <MTughan> O_O

22:38 <MTughan> Holy sh*t...

22:38 <PovAddict> "Intel has one 1600 MHz dual-core Penryn based Xeon processor ready for launch – the E5272. The Xeon E5272 features a 3.4 GHz clock speed and is priced at $1,172."

22:39 <MTughan> I think my P4 runs at about 400MHz...

22:39 <PovAddict> lol

22:39 <MTughan> $1,172. That for one processor?

22:39 <PovAddict> internally two ;)

22:39 <MTughan> Okay, fine.

22:39 <PovAddict> "Intel has also pulled in the launch of all dual-core Xeon processors to Q4 2007, with the quad-core processors. The dual-core Xeon E5260 and E5205 will also launch in Q4, not the Q1 2008 date earlier roadmaps showed."

22:40 <MTughan> Anyway, that price for one physical chip?

22:40 <PovAddict> probably

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22:41 <MTughan> 'Nuther topic: Do you know if the NXT has a datalog?

22:41 <PovAddict> I have only played with the included graphical environment, which surely doesn't

22:42 <PovAddict> (the RCX 2.0 firmware has a datalog but the graphical programming language doesn't let you access it)

22:42 <MTughan> Actually, the educational version of the RCX software, RoboLab, allowed you to access it.

22:42 <MTughan> This is an educational version of the NXT.

22:42 <PovAddict> well no idea then

22:42 <MTughan> Although it's called LabView.

22:43 <MTughan> The software

22:43 <MTughan> ...'s a real memory hog.

22:44 <MTughan> Opened file, using 175MB.

22:44 <PovAddict> well, RoboLab and RCX Code were fairly different

22:44 <PovAddict> but my version has LabView too

22:44 <MTughan> Oh cool... Not actually a datalog, but you can write files.

22:44 <PovAddict> oh yeah

22:45 <PovAddict> I remember seeing it on the leJOS javadoc for nxt

22:45 <PovAddict> it has java.io :P

22:45 <MTughan> Understandable... And can you use regex then?

22:45 <PovAddict> I doubt it

22:45 <MTughan> Hmm... Integer.parseInt?

22:46 <PovAddict> there's no wrapper classes

22:46 <MTughan> Wha?

22:46 <PovAddict> oh there is

22:46 <PovAddict> well... only Integer.toString it seems

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22:47 <MTughan> How does that work? BiteAbleKat joins the room, then tamar changes his name to BiteAbleKat...

22:47 <PovAddict> no, tamar joined, then tamar changed name to biteablekat

22:47 <PovAddict> btw DataInputStream.readInt is what you need

22:47 <MTughan> Hmm... Well, the server either sent the wrong info, or it was too fast for Colloquy.

22:48 <MTughan> I'm not currently looking at Java, but highly considering it.

22:48 <PovAddict> http://lejos.sourceforge.net/p_technologies/nxt/nxj/api/java/io/DataInputStream.html

22:48 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12w8> (at lejos.sourceforge.net)

22:48 <MTughan> You don't know how hard it is to wait for either a timer or a button push in the graphical software. I achieved it, but it's hard.

22:49 <PovAddict> new DataInputStream(new FileInputStream(new File("blah.log"))).readInt()

22:49 <PovAddict> whoa

22:49 <PovAddict> you can talk whatever you want via bluetooth

22:49 <MTughan> Yep.

22:50 <PovAddict> BTOutputStream

22:50 <MTughan> Apparently, you can ask for commands from a BlueTooth enabled phone.

22:50 <PovAddict> apparently lejos will also let you talk whatever you want via the usb port

22:50 <PovAddict> (not implemented yet)

22:52 <MTughan> Hmm... Apparently some cables that we got with our NXT set don't come with the commercial set...

22:52 <MTughan> We can use RCX sensors with it.

22:52 <PovAddict> like?

22:52 <PovAddict> ohh

22:52 <PovAddict> I saw a 3rd party company selling a converter

22:52 <BiteAbleKat> wheew assembling furniture is horrible

22:53 <PovAddict> along with dozens of cool sensors

22:53 <MTughan> One work. IKEA.

22:53 <PovAddict> there was a *compass* for the RCX!

22:53 <BiteAbleKat> especially the stuff ive been assembling from ikea

22:53 <MTughan> A compass?

22:53 <MTughan> Oh... Well, I've usually found it easy.

22:53 <PovAddict> yep an electronic compass; "let your robot where north is"

22:53 <BiteAbleKat> its like, pics with maybe the word CLICK here and there

22:53 <BiteAbleKat> i am not a good assembler

22:54 <BiteAbleKat> i suck at technical things

22:54 <MTughan> Do you write any assembler? :P

22:54 <PovAddict> lol

22:54 <PovAddict> BiteAbleKat: try programming

22:54 <BiteAbleKat> but my son needed new bedroom furniture

22:54 <PovAddict> lol

22:54 <MTughan> Anyway, yeah. The NXT kit we got came with three converter cables for old sensors.

22:54 <BiteAbleKat> if i programmed it would be a catastrophe, no doubt

22:54 <PovAddict> MTughan: wow interesting

22:55 <MTughan> lol

22:55 <PovAddict> MTughan: apart from Not Quite C, there is a Quite C which actually uses gcc

22:55 <MTughan> Although the only things you'd really use with it are the rotation and temperature sensors...

22:55 <PovAddict> and it gives you power: http://www.elenafrancesco.org/info/lego/qc/hello.jpg

22:55 <MTughan> Really? Where?

22:55 <BiteAbleKat> point and click, thats my motto

22:55 <MTughan> Rommie?

22:56 <MTughan> "HELL O"

22:56 <MTughan> Nice...

22:56 <PovAddict> that's some low-level control

22:56 <MTughan> Or could be a 0. Not sure.

22:56 <MTughan> Same level as assembler? Or higher?

22:56 <MTughan> Or is there even assembler for the RCX?

22:56 <PovAddict> well, the default firmware (and leJOS and others) have a bytecode interpreter

22:57 <PovAddict> with Quite C, you compile for the real microcontroller

22:57 <BiteAbleKat> lady with 16 kids on discovery health...omg NO THANKS

22:57 <PovAddict> lol

22:57 <MTughan> I think I might've seen that...

22:58 <BiteAbleKat> religion-driven

22:58 <MTughan> Hehe... Assembler for NXT... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Byte_Codes

22:58 <Romulus> Title: Next Byte Codes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

22:58 <BiteAbleKat> the duggars

22:58 <MTughan> Yeah, I think I've seen the family on TV before then... Yep.

22:59 <PovAddict> MTughan: I think that's the first 3rd party programming system for NXT that was released

22:59 <MTughan> Cool... NXT has a 32-bit processor.

22:59 <PovAddict> I think NXC is built on top of it

23:03 <MTughan> Nice... Apparently the alpha for leJOS runs about 15x faster than the RCX version...

23:03 <PovAddict> you mean NXT compared to RCX?

23:04 <MTughan> Yeah, sorry.

23:04 <PovAddict> not so surprising, NXT CPU has some power in comparison

23:04 <MTughan> Yeah.

23:05 <MTughan> Oh, it's out of alpha now.

23:06 <PovAddict> lego did a jump from an 8-bit H8 microcontroller to 32-bit ARM CPU

23:07 <PovAddict> and it has a whole 256KB flash memory

23:08 <PovAddict> wow

23:08 <PovAddict> lego itself sells a compass sensor for NXT

23:08 <PovAddict> http://shop.lego.com/ByTheme/Product.aspx?p=MS1034&cn=17

23:08 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/12wO> (at shop.lego.com)

23:09 <MTughan> Heh... I wonder... With these converter cables and the right upgrades, could NXT sensors be used with the RCX?

23:09 <PovAddict> lol I doubt it

23:09 <PovAddict> a gyroscope sensor!

23:09 <MTughan> Why not? If you're able to get raw data and know what it sends, you could probably do it.

23:10 <MTughan> A gyroscope sensor? O_O

23:10 <PovAddict> accelerometer :o

23:10 <PovAddict> http://shop.lego.com/Product/?p=MS1044

23:10 <Romulus> Title: LEGO Store - Gyroscopic Sensor for MINDSTORMS® NXT (at shop.lego.com)

23:10 <PovAddict> http://shop.lego.com/Product/?p=MS1040

23:10 <Romulus> Title: LEGO Store - Accelerometer Sensor for MINDSTORMS® NXT (at shop.lego.com)

23:10 <MTughan> Yes, I remember seeing an accelerometer...

23:10 <PovAddict> a light sensor distinguishing colors!

23:10 <PovAddict> I remember sooo many hack attempts at making one for the rcx

23:11 <PovAddict> like putting a few colored light filters in a wheel, making it turn in front of the light sensor, and sync readings with the wheel rotation

23:12 <MTughan> Nice look... So how does it report them? As RGB readings?

23:12 <MTughan> Ooo, an infrared sensor...

23:13 <PovAddict> I wish I could *send* infrared from the nxt

23:14 <MTughan> Oh wow, did we get a deal... Registration for the contest is $50, and the total cost we paid including the kit is $200... Retail price for the NXT is $350...

23:14 <PovAddict> nxt-rcx interaction

23:14 <PovAddict> 350??

23:14 <MTughan> With converter cables, you could potentially send signals over that.

23:14 <PovAddict> mine costed 250 and it's not the educational one

23:14 <MTughan> 250USD?

23:14 <PovAddict> yep

23:15 <MTughan> Yeah, damn retailers are still ripping us off.

23:15 <PovAddict> no chance in hell you can even *find* one of these kits here

23:15 <MTughan> Anyway, we still got about 50% off. We paid $150 for ours.

23:15 <PovAddict> yeah

23:16 <PovAddict> actually, availability of any lego kit here has decreased

23:16 <MTughan> And got a free rechargeable battery with it too.

23:16 <MTughan> Rechargeable batter is $75 here...

23:16 <MTughan> battery*

23:16 <PovAddict> eek

23:16 <MTughan> Well, and charger. We got both with the kit.

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23:17 <MTughan> 'lo efc

23:20 <MTughan> PovAddict is here too, he's just being quiet.

23:21 <PovAddict> LEGO kits were sold in Argentina by Hasbro

23:21 <MTughan> Hasbro? Wow...

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23:22 <PovAddict> well, I think they were no more than an a "middleman" between lego and the local toy shops

23:23 <PovAddict> importing it and stuff

23:23 <BiteAbleKat> i tried to get my kid to give away his two huge boxes of legos...he wouldnt go for that at all

23:23 <PovAddict> but hasbro went away from argentina a few years ago,

23:23 <MTughan> No, I wouldn't give up my LEGO anytime soon either.

23:24 <BiteAbleKat> we gutted his room of junk and outgrown things and stuff like that

23:24 <BiteAbleKat> the legos werent going anywhere

23:24 <PovAddict> I had my RIS kit on its closed box for a few years

23:24 <efc> moo

23:24 <PovAddict> since I was a bit too young for it when my dad bought it

23:25 <MTughan> So he is alive...

23:25 <PovAddict> moo efc

23:25 * efc Bovinenstein Graaarar!

23:25 <MTughan> Something with cows...

23:26 <efc> I visited an old mill today

23:26 <efc> I would give a (insert any organ which I have two of) to get a nice site like that...

23:26 <PovAddict> lung?

23:26 <MTughan> Testes?

23:27 <BiteAbleKat> lol

23:27 <efc> Wouldn't one of them be a Teste

23:27 <PovAddict> kidney?

23:27 <PovAddict> a leg maybe?

23:27 <efc> Probably could have picked them up dirt cheap in the 60s and 70s

23:28 <efc> When they all were out of business

23:28 <PovAddict> how about a heart ventricle?

23:28 <MTughan> You could say it literally costs you an arm and a leg.

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23:28 <efc> I don't think those are functionally redundant

23:29 <PovAddict> lol

23:29 <efc> well this probably wasn't the end-all of mills, it backed up a 200 acre lake, about 15 or 20 feet deep at the dam

23:29 <efc> i'd guess around 10 kW of grinding or whatever you want out of it

23:32 <efc> it must have been a real money maker back in the day to justify inundating that much land

23:33 <MTughan> "back in the day"?

23:33 <efc> in 1921, when they built it (there had been earlier ones at the same place)

23:33 <efc> http://gastateparks.org/info/hamburg/

23:33 <Romulus> Title: Georgia State Parks - Hamburg State Park (at gastateparks.org)

23:38 <efc> they didn't have an old fashioned millstone that I could see, but they didn't have the actual grinding part open

23:43 <efc> they had some hilarious environmental "exhibits"

23:46 <efc> One fishbowl type thing was labeled "Polluted Environment" and had a bunch of dead birds, trash, etc in it. The other was labeled "Clean Environment" and had more or less the same stuffed animals but propped upright. Classic.

23:46 <MTughan> Nice...

23:50 <efc> it was one of those oddball museums that gets the stuff the better ones didn't want

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