IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2007-10-15

00:21 <MTughan> Hey, should be new CAD and XKCD...

00:23 <MTughan> "I'm fine... The fall concrete broke my..."

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00:28 <elsimio> hi guys

00:28 <MTughan> 'lo

00:29 <elsimio> somebody here with Debian?

00:29 <MTughan> Maybe quail, but I don't know if he's here.

00:30 <elsimio> i wish put boinc in my debian

00:30 <elsimio> this packages?

00:30 <elsimio> boinc-app-seti - SETI@home application for the BOINC client

00:30 <elsimio> boinc-client - core client for the BOINC distributed computing infrastructure

00:30 <MTughan> You might have to compile your own. I don't know if there are binaries for Debian based systems...

00:30 <MTughan> You will need boinc-client definitely.

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00:31 <PovAddict> why not? the official binaries run on ANY linux

00:31 <PovAddict> and there's also the debian packages, although those are fairly old versoins

00:31 <PovAddict> versions*

00:31 <MTughan> What type of binaries are they though?

00:31 <PovAddict> statically linked ones, to run regardless of what libs you have :)

00:32 <MTughan> Oh, it's a compressed shell script...

00:32 <elsimio> deb

00:32 <PovAddict> elsimio: we're talking about the ones in

00:32 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at

00:32 <MTughan> It's a GUI, so it should download project applications automatically. In your case, I think you're wanting to run SETI@Home.

00:33 <PovAddict> hmm debian has much newer boinc packages than ubuntu

00:33 <PovAddict> hmm or not...

00:34 <PovAddict> elsimio: what version of debian do you have?

00:34 <elsimio> etch

00:34 <elsimio> i can install of my repositorie

00:34 <elsimio> the version 5.4.11-4

00:34 <PovAddict> yeah I misread the list...

00:34 <PovAddict> etch has just as old packages as ubuntu...

00:34 <elsimio> ubuntu sucks

00:35 <MTughan> Preferences. I don't like Ubuntu either. I like Fedora myself.

00:35 <MTughan> Never tried Debian.

00:35 <elsimio> :|

00:35 <PovAddict> elsimio: the debian packages for boinc are old

00:35 <PovAddict> 5.4.11, latest is 5.10.21

00:36 <elsimio> but works right :)

00:36 <elsimio> why in the page say 5.27

00:36 <PovAddict> where?

00:36 <elsimio> uhh

00:36 <elsimio> i was looking bad

00:36 <elsimio> haha

00:37 <elsimio> 5.27 MB

00:37 <PovAddict> what is "the page"?

00:37 <elsimio> lol

00:37 <PovAddict> lol

00:37 <elsimio> sorry

00:37 <MTughan> I was thinking you maybe meant 5.2.7.

00:37 <PovAddict> debian testing (lenny) has 5.10.8, sounds like that is keeping up

00:38 <PovAddict> I wonder why debian stable is so outdated

00:38 <elsimio> stable only use packages "stables"

00:38 <elsimio> lenny for testing

00:38 <elsimio> and etch for testing too

00:38 <PovAddict> etch is stable

00:38 <MTughan> 5.8.16 is stable for BOINC.

00:38 <elsimio> yeah

00:38 <MTughan> 5.10.21 is beta.

00:39 <elsimio> anyway

00:39 <PovAddict> well, what do they see unstable in 5.10.8?

00:39 <elsimio> what i can do for start and stop boinc?

00:39 <elsimio> is a service?

00:39 <PovAddict> did you download the debian package?

00:39 <elsimio> i can install only with apt

00:39 <elsimio> :)

00:40 <PovAddict> then ask whoever packaged it, I have no idea how those (unofficial) distro packages work

00:40 <PovAddict> I think it installs it as a service and adds it to /etc/init.d

00:40 <MTughan> Service, or daemon?

00:40 <elsimio> yeah

00:41 <elsimio> a daemon?

00:41 <MTughan> Or is there a difference?

00:41 <elsimio> like before with seti

00:41 <elsimio> or similar to boinc in win

00:41 <MTughan> I know a service in Windows is either the same thing or very similar to a daemon in *nix.

00:42 <elsimio> i will install boinc-client

00:43 <elsimio> im a old user of seti :)

00:43 <elsimio> once i have my computer turn on for 2 years :S

00:43 <elsimio> and my cooler a day was burnen with the procesor

00:43 <elsimio> haha

00:47 <elsimio> so i download the 5.8 better right?

00:50 <elsimio> hey guys

00:50 <elsimio> now the project is better?

00:51 <PovAddict> I'll get some sleep before I pass out - night

00:51 <Romulus> I'll bbiab after filling the work generator on Renderfarm@Home is a sequence of pages

00:51 <MTughan> All right... As long as you can run 5.8, do it. The later the better, because it's probably more stable and may have more features.

00:52 <elsimio> say the project is unavailable for the moment :(

00:52 <MTughan> SETI@Home? Yeah, we know. It's down for the night because of A/C trouble.

00:53 <elsimio> a/c??

00:53 <MTughan> Servers can get really hot...

00:53 <elsimio> ahh :(

00:53 <elsimio> u are in seti too?

00:54 <MTughan> Even if I wasn't, a lot of people here are.

00:57 <efc> Yeah, its my kW burner of choice

00:57 <MTughan> 'lo efc

00:58 <efc> Yo

01:00 <elsimio> my group :)

01:00 <elsimio>

01:00 <Romulus> Title: Seti@Home Team stats for SETI El Salvador at TSWB Stats 'N Stones (at

01:02 <MTughan> Only one active member?

01:03 <elsimio> yeah :(

01:03 <elsimio> i have boinc in my office

01:03 <elsimio> but sometimes the pc crash for that

01:03 <elsimio> and im developer, i will put in some servers and house too

01:03 <Romulus> anyone know of any kind of problems, chanel th

01:03 <quail> afternoon all

01:03 <MTughan> 1AM here...

01:03 <elsimio> i dont like when im programing and lose code

01:04 <elsimio> 11 pm here

01:04 <MTughan> So you're in Mountain Time then?

01:04 <quail> 1434 hrs here

01:04 <MTughan> aka, 2:34PM.

01:05 <MTughan> Australia, and you're "in between" time zones?

01:05 * MTughan is listening to One Country by Midnight Oil from Midnight Oil Collection DVD

01:06 <elsimio> y hablo espaƱol :)

01:06 <quail> yeah i am in CST

01:06 <quail> err ACST

01:06 <MTughan> What, Abnormal CST?

01:07 * elsimio escuchando Ministry of Sound - Fifteen Years

01:07 <quail> ok now to see how this reboot goes

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01:08 <quail> brb

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01:15 <MTughan> Well?

01:16 <quail> now this starting to really carp me off, I have to keep reinstalling my nvidia drivers to get my gdm to work

01:16 <quail> and i can't for the life of me find the reason why it is happening

01:17 <MTughan> "carp me off"?

01:17 <quail> F@$& me off

01:23 <efc> hehe here carp is a fish

01:23 <efc> junk fish

01:27 <quail> carp is a muddy junk fish too

01:28 <quail> +here

01:38 <MTughan> All right, I'm finished with my NXT robot for tomorrow, and I desperately need some sleep...

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01:38 <MTughan> 'lo BB

01:38 <MTughan> And bye too.

01:38 <BadBarbarian> lol bye

01:39 <BadBarbarian> ordered a quad amd today

01:39 <MTughan> Nice...

01:40 <BadBarbarian> i think its going to kick the sruffing out of the core2duo's

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01:40 <elsimio> nos vemos

01:40 <elsimio> hablamos otro dia

01:40 <elsimio> Debian Rulez :-)

01:40 <Romulus> hooray for random access than your foot, I think...

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01:42 <MTughan> He was wanting help on how to install BOINC on a Debian system.

01:42 <PovAddict> somebody asked?

01:42 <BadBarbarian> in spanish

01:43 <seth_afk> PovAddict: why are you still up *points to bed* GO NAO

01:43 <PovAddict> I was about to

01:43 * seth_afk claps

01:43 * PovAddict passes out

01:43 <BadBarbarian> :-)

01:44 <MTughan> Hehe... I'm about to too. Quarter to 2AM here. I need to be up at 6:40AM.

01:44 <seth_afk> $time

01:45 <MTughan> That's "&".

01:45 <MTughan> &time

01:45 <Romulus> MTughan: 01:45 AM, October 15, 2007

01:45 <seth_afk> &time

01:45 <Romulus> seth_afk: 01:45 AM, October 15, 2007

01:45 <seth_afk> NO

01:45 <PovAddict> no, that's //say $time to get mirc to interpret variables

01:45 <seth_afk> ITS NOT

01:45 <seth_afk> 06:45:29

01:45 <seth_afk> thankyou

01:46 <MTughan> Romulus is probably hosted in the US somewhre.

01:46 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

01:46 <MTughan> somewhere*

01:46 <seth_afk> Pypy is Python that runs in Python

01:47 <seth_afk> and Py3000 is ran in terminators

01:47 <seth_afk> Lugradio season 5 episode 1

01:47 <MTughan> Nice...

01:47 <MTughan> All right, NXT packed up. Ready for bed.

01:48 <seth_afk> allright i get to miss my train

01:48 <seth_afk> !

01:48 <MTughan> ?

01:48 <seth_afk> "

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01:48 <MTughan> Gonna do punctuation?

01:48 <sethy> no.

01:49 <sethy> my train for college comes in 30 minutes but i cant be arsed with the ruch hour so i'ma catch the one thats in 1 hour 10

01:49 <sethy> s/ruch/rush

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01:55 <E-30> hey

01:58 <efc> hey E30

02:01 <E-30> how are yout doing efc

02:03 <efc> pretty good

02:03 <efc> went to an old mill today

02:03 <E-30> cool

02:04 <E-30> well i am going back up in rac again i am so happy

02:04 <efc> firing all burners?

02:05 <E-30> i still cant pass  up to wdsmia

02:05 <E-30> yea

02:05 <E-30> at alast

02:06 <sethy> nice to see germany is awake

02:07 <E-30> yea

02:09 <E-30> well i am so glad that my computer is working right again after a mouth of fucking up all the time

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02:13 <efc> Gotta go to bed.. night and good luck

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04:16 <sethy_col> ?

04:17 <sethy_col> omg lag brb

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04:19 <CoderForLife> morning

04:20 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:20 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 53.7°F / 12.1°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Unseasonably warm with highs in the lower 80s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers late. Lows in the upper 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tuesday - (1 more message)

04:21 <CoderForLife> &more

04:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Showers likely. A slight chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

04:38 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:47 <CoderForLife> b

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04:56 <CoderForLife> morning quail

04:56 <quail> CoderForLife: evening Don, how are you?

04:58 <CoderForLife> I'd have to rate myself as "fair" - how about you?

04:59 <quail> CoderForLife: I have fixed my gdm problem, it not hit me through the logs but when i tried to start the gdm with the old fashioned startx it revealed itself as a driver mismatch and i blacklist the problem driver

04:59 <quail> Yeah i am good thx

05:02 <CoderForLife> ah - nice detective work

05:05 <quail> thx

05:06 <quail> wow it got up to 30C here today >>>

05:06 <Romulus> <> (at

05:09 <CoderForLife> you can have some heat - we've had too much this summer

05:09 <CoderForLife> sat out on the deck last night with the wife and looked at the stars - 'twas nice

05:11 <quail> sounds good

05:11 <quail> we need more rain than a hot summer

05:19 <CoderForLife> yeah - it was finally cool enough

05:19 <quail> brb

05:19 <Romulus> dragging off to me today keeping me busy helping the boy just got a much better job

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05:23 <quail> back

05:25 <CoderForLife> wb

05:27 <quail> thx

05:28 <CoderForLife> well - time for me to drag my carcass off to w@#%

05:28 <CoderForLife> have fun at TAFE tomorrow

05:29 <CoderForLife> bye for now

05:29 <quail> ok Don, ttyl. have a good one

05:29 <quail> thx mate, bye

05:54 <xcamel> boo!

05:54 <quail> eep, you scared me Jay

05:55 <quail> j/k, Hi how are you mate?

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06:13 <CoderForLife> hmm  need to be "away" not "offline"

06:14 <quail> hehe, it happens when your connection drops >>> 19:26:57 -!- CoderForLife [] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]

06:15 <CoderForLife> dunno why the connection drops

06:15 <CoderForLife> anyway... laterz

06:17 <quail> bye

06:34 <hawmps> re-hi

06:43 <quail> hi Jay

06:43 <Romulus> for example, if the 9 severe hurricanes in the picture

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07:12 <MTughan> Off to school in a few minutes.

07:13 <quail> it bit under 12 hours before i leave for TAFE

07:13 <MTughan> TAFE?

07:14 <MTughan> I'm trying to associate that with TFFE...

07:14 <quail> techical and further education

07:14 <MTughan> Ah.

07:15 <quail> i doing cert 2 in IT so i can get into advanced network security

07:15 <MTughan> Cool.

07:15 <MTughan> What's advanced?

07:16 <quail> that what the diploma called

07:17 <MTughan> So you're not quite sure what it entails right now?

07:17 <quail> yeah i do

07:17 <MTughan> Well, still sounds really cool.

07:18 <quail> it computer network security

07:18 <quail> MTughan: i fixed my gdm problem

07:18 <MTughan> So I saw.

07:18 <MTughan> Nice job.

07:19 <MTughan> Anyway, sorry to rain on your moment of re-triumph, but I've got to go to school.

07:19 <quail> thx, it was just a head case to get the answers i needed to fix it tho

07:19 <quail> ok, you have a good one

07:19 <quail> ttyl

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10:17 <elsimio> hi guys again

10:17 <elsimio> still servers down right?

10:18 <zombie67> seti?  yes

10:18 <elsimio> :(

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10:25 <hawmps> seems so...

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11:54 <E-30> hey ho9w is everyone doing today

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12:02 <desti> seti is back

12:02 <E-30> yea

12:02 <Romulus> ahh well that's the ticket - widely used - good thing my gaming rig (winxp/vista dualboot) and my other applications.

12:03 <elsimio> server up right?

12:03 <E-30> well i am still trying to get one more computer working right so i cn get it on qmc

12:03 <E-30> yep

12:05 <zombie67> Mon Oct 15 09:04:38 2007|SETI@home|Message from server: Project is temporarily shut down for maintenance

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12:12 <elsimio> umm

12:12 <elsimio> i have a question

12:12 <PovAddict> wow primegrid now has linux apps

12:12 * sethy peeks in the room

12:12 * c0dewarrior peeks at sethy

12:12 <elsimio> run_manager in linux is only for configure my account?

12:13 <sethy> OHSHI- HE FOIND ME

12:13 * sethy HIDES

12:13 <PovAddict> elsimio: and to watch its progress and stuff

12:13 <Romulus> i having the same correlations across europe and russia look like it comes in ubuntu's .deb but it still ddr2

12:13 <PovAddict> stfu rommie

12:13 <c0dewarrior> sethy: You can run, and hide... but the ground will always know where you are

12:14 * sethy flies into space

12:14 <elsimio> but if i close the windows in X the process will be finish right?

12:14 <PovAddict> yep, the manager will finish

12:14 <PovAddict> the core client will keep running

12:14 <sethy> ctrl+esc

12:14 <sethy> <3

12:14 <PovAddict> actually, no; not even the manager will finish... it will stay on tray

12:15 <elsimio> with the version 5.8?

12:15 <sethy> sudo kill boinmgr 15

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12:15 <sethy> ?

12:15 <PovAddict> since version 4.something

12:15 <PovAddict> it has been like that since I started using boinc

12:15 <elsimio> i wish put the manager in the tray like Windows

12:15 <PovAddict> but again I didnt try on linux

12:15 <elsimio> running only as background process

12:15 <PovAddict> do you really need the manager in tray?

12:16 <PovAddict> if you close the manager, the core client keeps running, so it keeps computing

12:16 <elsimio> i will check

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12:19 <elsimio> weird

12:19 <elsimio> if i close the manager the process end

12:19 <elsimio> im trying in ubuntu

12:20 <PovAddict> which is 'the process'?

12:21 <elsimio> still i cant get a data for process

12:21 <PovAddict> server is still down

12:22 <elsimio> ahh

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15:28 <quail> morning all

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> it is 9:30 pm here

15:30 <quail> Funny stuff:

15:30 <Romulus> Title: - Sexy Girls Moaning Your IP Address! (at

15:30 <PovAddict> o.o

15:30 <quail> it 0500 hrs here

15:31 <PovAddict> wtf are you doing awake at that time

15:31 <PovAddict> at super-early o'clock

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15:40 <PovAddict> yo

15:41 <yoyo[RKN]> hi zombie67

15:41 <zombie67> hello

15:42 <zombie67> we may have a problem with the ps3 sharing yoyo and ps3grid

15:42 <yoyo[RKN]> why?

15:42 <PovAddict> wut

15:42 <PovAddict> it's running both at a time?

15:43 <zombie67> Check out my crunch times. You can see they have ballooned way up from the normal 87k seconds to 120k seconds. This started happening since I attached another project that also uses SPEs, and have the resource set to 50/50. Something is wrong, as crunch times shouldn't increase.

15:43 <Romulus> <> (at

15:43 <PovAddict> maybe one of the two isn't suspending correctly?

15:43 <zombie67> that was my post to the ps3grid forum earlier today

15:44 <zombie67> according to the tasks tab, no, only one task is running at any given time

15:45 <zombie67> perhaps it is a memory constraint?  With yoyo task suspended, maybe not enough memory left over?

15:46 <PovAddict> shouldn't it swap yoyo out?

15:46 <yoyo[RKN]> think so

15:46 <PovAddict> if ps3 has no swap support, then it should crash for lack of memory

15:46 <PovAddict> not run slower :\

15:47 <yoyo[RKN]> is it slower for PS3GRID and yoyo, or only one of them?

15:47 <zombie67> I can't tell for yoyo, since each job is a different length

15:47 <yoyo[RKN]> maybe only CPU time is counted wrong

15:48 <zombie67> I could try suspending ps3grid and see if my RAC goes up more than double, I guess

15:48 <zombie67> don't like that idea though

15:58 <zombie67> no way to confirm the accuracy of CPU time counting.

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16:10 <MTughan> 'lo all

16:18 <sethy> o.o

16:18 * sethy stretches

16:18 <MTughan> A380 delivered...

16:18 <sethy> wtf A380?

16:18 <PovAddict> a plane

16:19 <sethy> ORLY?

16:19 <PovAddict> a big effing plane

16:19 <PovAddict>

16:19 <Romulus> Title: Airbus delivers the A380, finally | CNET (at

16:20 <sethy> i was walking for lunch today after college and there was this hobo sat outside this store, he started to throw abuse at everyone that walked passed so i was liek WTF HOMIES so we all decided to throw some back, he soon shat tha fack up

16:21 <MTughan> lol

16:21 <sethy> and my lunch wasnt all that great

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16:21 <sethy> i asked for a corned beef pasty, and half of it was cheese and ham

16:22 <MTughan> O_O

16:22 <sethy> i was like EWWW

16:22 * sethy doesnt like ham

16:22 <MTughan> Neither do I.

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16:23 <MTughan> Well, I do like it with hot sauce. Something like Tabasco.

16:23 <xcamel> 'lo

16:23 <sethy> UK needs more flights to Calgary, AB - Canada

16:23 <sethy> 'lo jay

16:23 <MTughan> 'lo xcamel

16:23 <MTughan> Or Jay.

16:25 <sethy> never tried tabasco

16:25 <sethy> i've tried wocestershire sauce

16:25 <sethy> thats kinda like tabasco

16:25 <MTughan> I'm sure I've had that on other stuff, but never had it as a topping.

16:25 <xcamel> nothing like tabasco

16:26 <xcamel> really really really hot pepper sauce

16:26 <sethy> Lea & Perrins - Goes great with cheese on toast

16:26 <xcamel> green or red

16:26 <MTughan> I like red myself.

16:27 <MTughan> Never tried green, but I heard it's not as hot.

16:28 <zombie67> green = more flavor, less heat

16:28 * sethy needs to start spending more time in here

16:28 <MTughan> Do you have Frank's Red Hot there?

16:29 <sethy> WTF Is that?

16:29 <MTughan> More hot sauce.

16:29 <sethy> no we dont

16:29 <sethy> its a chilli sauce i'm right?

16:29 <MTughan> Cayenne pepper sauce.

16:30 <sethy> Scovile Scale - 450

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16:32 <xcamel> I've had franks - good for the sinuses

16:32 * sethy wants a Capsaicin

16:34 <MTughan> Oh, screw you LEGO... Educational version of the NXT comes with less parts than the retail version, it seems.

16:35 <PovAddict> for a reason it's cheaper

16:35 <MTughan> Yep. 431 pieces compared to 577.

16:35 <PovAddict> borrow from another kit?

16:35 <PovAddict> gotta be careful not to mix them up though

16:36 <MTughan> I would. But I don't seem to have them.

16:36 * xcamel needs about a pound of sinus peppers right now

16:36 <PovAddict> ah you need specific parts...

16:36 <MTughan> I was trying to build Alpha Rex.

16:37 <MTughan> Well, you know what I gotta do now. Make my own version of Alpha Rex.

16:37 <MTughan> Okay, that might be harder than I might've anticipated...

16:38 <MTughan> Anyway, I need a snack. brb

16:38 <quail> back

16:40 <sethy> MTughan:

16:40 <Romulus> Title: BrickLink - The Unofficial Online LEGO® Marketplace (at

16:41 <quail>

16:41 <Romulus> Title: Saving power with Linux on Intel hardware (at

16:41 <PovAddict> quail: I saw that, it's useless for BOINC users

16:42 <PovAddict> "As of Linux kernel version 2.6.21, the kernel no longer has a fixed 1000Hz timer tick. This will (in theory) give a huge power savings because the CPU stays in low power mode for longer periods of time during system idle."

16:42 <quail> PovAddict: when i get my laptop back i am going to give it a go

16:42 <PovAddict> BOINC never lets 'long periods of time during system idle' happen

16:43 <quail> yep, but i don't run boinc on my laptop

16:45 <CoderForLife> ahoy mateys

16:45 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

16:45 <CoderForLife> hey MTughan

16:45 <quail> morning Don

16:46 <CoderForLife> hello Mr. Dale

16:47 <quail> i was out bed early this morning 0440 hrs

16:48 <CoderForLife> that's about my normal time lately

16:48 <CoderForLife> it was 0415 this morning

16:49 <quail> the birds woke me up, they seem to be starting tweeting earlier every morning and it was dark outside

16:50 <CoderForLife> they sense spring

16:50 <CoderForLife> or maybe that's their swan song before the drought kills them all off

16:50 <quail> but i should go for a shower before others in the house start using the water

16:51 <quail> hehe

16:53 <CoderForLife> yep - you need to get your spoonful

16:54 <MTughan> lol, spring...

16:55 <MTughan> We're just getting into winter here. :P

16:55 <CoderForLife> you can keep it up there in the Great White North, MT =)

16:56 <MTughan> lol, Great Green North right now...

16:56 <PovAddict> eek

16:56 <PovAddict>

16:56 <Romulus> <> (at

16:56 <MTughan> Yep.

16:56 <CoderForLife> yipes

16:56 <PovAddict> that's a lot of holes

16:56 <CoderForLife> swiss cheese

16:56 <MTughan> Vista...

16:56 <Romulus> , once the download directory: cp test_input `bin/dir_hier_path test_input`

16:56 <CoderForLife> holes are a feature =)

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17:00 * c0dewarrior screams

17:00 <CoderForLife> bbiab

17:00 <c0dewarrior> stop saying vista!

17:01 <MTughan> No, I'm saying Vista is full of holes.

17:01 <c0dewarrior> stopit!

17:01 <MTughan> ?

17:01 <c0dewarrior> <-- can't read further than the vista part

17:01 <PovAddict> dont say the v-word

17:01 <MTughan> V*sta is full of holes.

17:01 <MTughan> Better?

17:02 <c0dewarrior> that's slightly better, but still stings

17:02 <MTughan> ****a is full of holes.

17:03 <MTughan> Hehe... Any folks on the new Windows ME here?

17:03 <c0dewarrior> that's better!

17:03 <MTughan> Vista! >:)

17:04 <MTughan> Okay, sorry...

17:04 * c0dewarrior twitches

17:05 <MTughan> Should we just electrocute you and finish the job?

17:05 <c0dewarrior> it's ok, I do it every night myself, but thanks

17:06 <MTughan> Hey, nice... Ubuntu 7.10 enables NTFS writing...

17:06 <c0dewarrior> yeah!

17:06 <c0dewarrior> Now you can remove windows files properly!

17:07 <MTughan> lol

17:07 <MTughan> I'll probably just run it in my VM. I'm not gonna use it in place of Fedora.

17:08 <quail> back

17:08 <quail> ah that was a good shower

17:08 <MTughan> We seem to have some controversial discussion here.

17:09 <quail> why

17:09 <MTughan> The new Windows ME. c0dewarrior doesn't like the actual name.

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17:10 <quail> windows vista is the name of a blinds business here in adelaide

17:10 <MTughan> Hehe... Nice.

17:12 <MTughan> Hmm... BitTorrent is usually faster. I'm getting 250KB/s on a download...

17:12 <MTughan> PovAddict: You know you're feeling envious...

17:13 * quail does not like bit torrent

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17:13 <MTughan> It's good for Linux downloads.

17:14 <MTughan> The RIAA and the MPAA don't like it either.

17:14 <quail> yeah that all i use it for when i have too

17:14 <PovAddict> the riaa and mpaa are idiots

17:14 <MTughan> Well, we can all agree on that.

17:14 <PovAddict> if people share music over ftp, will they say ftp is illegal too?

17:14 <quail> but my ISP has 5.X TB of linux related stuff

17:14 <MTughan> Except FTP is traceable.

17:14 <PovAddict> it's a protocol ffs

17:15 <PovAddict> ahh they don't like it because it's good for privacy

17:15 <MTughan> So are anonymous proxies.

17:15 <PovAddict> lets ban glasses and fake moustaches too

17:15 <MTughan> lol

17:16 * quail says if you not doing anything illegal, why worry

17:16 <xcamel> bingo

17:16 <MTughan> Because other's might wonder.

17:16 <xcamel> then again...

17:16 <MTughan> I've had people think I'm hacking a computer because I have a command-line open.

17:16 <quail> hehe

17:17 <xcamel> trust me - 99% of what other people thing is none of your business.

17:17 <xcamel> er think even

17:17 <quail> MTughan: i have that problem all the time when i am at TAFE and i am ssh'ed back home

17:17 <MTughan> For sure. But what about what the police think?

17:17 <MTughan> lol

17:17 <xcamel> that's an oxymornon

17:17 <quail> and i have had the IT people at TAFE question me

17:18 <xcamel> police <> think

17:18 <MTughan> Ouch...

17:18 <xcamel> :-)

17:18 <MTughan> Don't let the police audit your computer. ;)

17:18 <CoderForLife> did someone ask for an oxymoron?

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17:18 <MTughan> Uh oh...

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17:19 <quail> MTughan: and then i proved to them were i was ssh'ed into and i was the legal owner of the domain, they left me alone

17:19 <c0dewarrior> someone said audit?

17:19 <xcamel> never let the cops in your house without a search warrent

17:19 * c0dewarrior keeps the sledgehammer ready

17:19 <MTughan> o_O

17:19 <c0dewarrior> xcamel: correction... never let the cops into your house

17:19 <c0dewarrior> especially if they're wearing pink skirts..

17:20 <MTughan> With a search warrant, they're legally allowed to... WTF?

17:20 <xcamel> and call your lawyer to read it before you unlock the door

17:20 <CoderForLife> OK, Mitt

17:20 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: which in the US can be obtained if you sneeze in an arabic fashion...

17:20 <xcamel> ignorance of the law can really hurt you.

17:20 <MTughan> This channel can get close to out of control at times...

17:21 <CoderForLife> business as usual

17:21 * c0dewarrior yields

17:21 <quail> xcamel: here they just bash down your door and hand you the warrent and then go about there business

17:21 <MTughan> lol

17:21 <MTughan> Wow...

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17:21 <xcamel> maybe in OZ...

17:22 <c0dewarrior> here they lose the warrant, bash down the door anyhows, and then apologizes later for raiding the wrong house...

17:22 <xcamel> I've been through all that with a friend...

17:22 <quail> police here are arseholes

17:22 <MTughan> bbiab

17:22 <c0dewarrior> quail: where's that?

17:22 <xcamel> the warrant said "search" the computer - not confiscate it...

17:23 <xcamel> too bad for them...

17:23 <quail> AU

17:23 <c0dewarrior> xcamel: have legal recourse in that case... must just have the will to drag them to court..

17:23 * quail just keeps out of trouble, me like to sleep in my own bed soundly

17:24 <xcamel> bingo - the best defense is a great offence

17:24 <xcamel> and knowing your legal rights

17:25 <CoderForLife> obey the law, and fear nothing of the judge

17:25 <c0dewarrior> anyhows, fun chatting.. bbl

17:25 * CoderForLife wonders (on a completely different topic) why they make 60 inch log racks, but only 50 inch covers

17:25 <xcamel> Another good friend got his life ruined when his estranged wife paid a hacker to put illegal porn on his home and work computers

17:26 <c0dewarrior> xcamel: the sword knows not his master, only how to cut

17:26 <xcamel> he lamost went to jail for it, lost custody of his kids, was fired, lost a side business, etc etc...

17:27 <xcamel> sadly, I don't think he'll ever get his reputation back...

17:28 <xcamel> or the $200K it took to clear all the charges

17:28 <xcamel> bbiab -- dinner

17:33 <quail> back

17:34 <CoderForLife> wb

17:34 <quail> thx :-)

17:35 <quail> xcamel: that not good

17:37 <quail> CoderForLife: you see this >>> <<< looks good if you got a laptop, I am going to try it out when i get my laptop back

17:37 <Romulus> Title: Saving power with Linux on Intel hardware (at

17:37 <MTughan> Yeah, that's harsh.

17:37 <MTughan> Think that'd work in a VM?

17:37 <PovAddict> wouldn't make you save any power

17:37 <MTughan> Well, it'd reduce CPU usage by it

17:38 <PovAddict> you would need to check the power usage of the VM itself

17:38 <MTughan> I can do that.

17:38 <PovAddict> also, it seems to need hardware access

17:38 <MTughan> Well, it emulates hardware.

17:39 <PovAddict> I doubt it will emulate the power measuring features of an Intel mobile processor and the laptop battery

17:39 <MTughan> Yeah.

17:40 <quail> i can say much about the program till I can get to have a play around with it when i get my laptop back and have upgraded it to ubuntu 7.10

17:40 <PovAddict> "can't"?

17:40 <quail> s/can/can't

17:41 <MTughan> Missed a slash.

17:41 <MTughan> s/can/can't/

17:42 <PovAddict> vim and irc users ignore the last slash :P

17:42 <MTughan> I'm a Perl person. I don't. ;)

17:42 <CoderForLife> quail - I don't need a program to tell me that I heat the house with BOINC =)

17:42 * c0dewarrior thinks powertop is the anti-boinc

17:42 <quail> CoderForLife: hehe

17:43 <xcamel> back from din-din

17:43 <quail> xcamel: wb

17:43 <quail> c0dewarrior: it more for laptops

17:43 <CoderForLife> that was quick xcamel - tube steaks?

17:43 <c0dewarrior> it'll work on any intel processor with stepping

17:43 <c0dewarrior> quail: which is almost every processor on the market

17:44 <quail> xcamel: did you put your suppa in the blender and drink it

17:44 <xcamel> lol

17:44 <MTughan> Hehe... Will It Blend.

17:44 <PovAddict> MTughan: the intel processor with stepping?

17:44 <xcamel> just sit down an inhale...

17:45 <quail> hehe

17:45 <MTughan> Huh?

17:45 <PovAddict> it will probably blend

17:45 <MTughan> lol

17:45 <PovAddict> people keep suggesting that guy should blend his arm

17:46 <quail> yeah it should, i'll watch that

17:46 <PovAddict> "Will I Blend?"

17:50 <quail> hehe

17:50 <CoderForLife> you sound like you eat like me, xcamel

17:51 <quail> through a straw?

17:51 <quail> ;-P

17:52 <MTughan> >:) I have a pair of LEGO claws...

17:52 <quail> sorry Don, I just had to throw that one in

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17:59 <quail> an hour before i have to leave for TAFE

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18:08 <CoderForLife> yup

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18:14 * zombie67 is 2 hours away from completing a 1802 hour CPDN WU

18:15 <PovAddic1> w00t

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18:15 * quail wonder if this kernel upgrade is going to kill my gdm again

18:15 <PovAddict> prolly

18:15 <PovAddict> </pessimist>

18:15 <zombie67> it will be my second completed WU for them

18:16 <zombie67> I had many get part way done

18:16 * quail hates ubuntu's l-r-m

18:16 <zombie67> the secret is only run CPDN on laptops

18:16 <PovAddict> o_O

18:16 <zombie67> power outages won't blow them up, because the laptops keep running on battery

18:17 <PovAddict> get an ups

18:17 <zombie67> hah!  too many machines

18:17 <CoderForLife> Ok, that makes it official, Chase Bank sucks

18:17 <zombie67> spread all over my house,

18:17 <PovAddict> an UPS with enough power to keep all your machines alive for 1 minute

18:18 <zombie67> I have 16 non-lap tops

18:19 <zombie67> 7 of the 16 are 4 cores or more, very thirsty

18:19 <zombie67> it is easier just to run CPDN only on laptops

18:19 <zombie67> and cheaper!

18:20 <zombie67> also, only on Mac laptops

18:20 <CoderForLife> emergency plink

18:21 <zombie67> no damn middle of the night upgrade reboot (even though I told it not to!)

18:21 <quail> wow this kernel upgrade is not asking for a reboot

18:21 <quail> well i should do a reboot to see if the l-r-m has killed my gdm again

18:21 <quail> brb

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18:28 <xcamel> re-back

18:28 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

18:29 <xcamel> wild APOD:

18:29 <xcamel>

18:29 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2007 October 15 - Jupiter s Clouds from New Horizons (at

18:30 <CoderForLife> hey Doug

18:30 <CoderForLife> yeah Jay - looks like a mixture of sand and surf

18:31 <wdsmia> *lo Don

18:33 <PovAddict> wtf

18:34 <PovAddict> good: they finally fixed the bug where BOINC doesn't follow the project's request delay

18:34 <PovAddict> bad: they *removed* the message saying "Deferring communication for..."

18:35 <zombie67> I am more concerned about getting the projects up to a recent build, than getting the clients updated....

18:37 * CoderForLife needs to get away from computers for awhile

18:37 <CoderForLife> cya folks back here tomorrow

18:38 <xcamel> laterz..

18:38 <quail> CoderForLife: later mate

18:42 <xcamel> PoV -- any chance of ever getting boinc to build with current versions of wxw?

18:42 <PovAddict> I have no idea

18:42 <xcamel> or does only rom have the secret sauce?

18:43 <PovAddict> I never touched anything about the GUI

18:43 <xcamel> codewarrior?

18:43 <PovAddict> but have you tried an older version?

18:43 <xcamel> yup - didn't work either

18:43 <PovAddict> then the version number isn't the problem

18:43 <xcamel> you can't get version 2.6.0

18:44 <xcamel> not for fc7

18:45 <PovAddict> well docs say boinc recommends 2.8.3

18:53 <xcamel> it won't find it. or if it finds it, it claims wrong version

18:54 <xcamel> 2.6,x all up to 2.8.5

19:05 <PovAddict>

19:11 <xcamel> dty ice - yeah, right

19:13 <wdsmia> off to the store bbiab

19:15 <MTughan> Nice...

19:15 <Romulus> Title: RIAA's $222,000 defendant asks for a new trial | Tech news blog - CNET (at

19:16 <xcamel> I hope she gets it - nothing would make me happier than seeing the RIAA get it's a$$ handed back.

19:17 <MTughan> Yeah.

19:21 <xcamel> the RIAA has been ripping off customers for 50 years - 'bout time they got some of their own medicine...

19:24 <zombie67> "I know!  Let's sue our customers!  That way they'll buy more stuff from us! a minute...."

19:25 <MTughan> lol

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19:31 <sethy> PovAddict: hei?

19:31 <xcamel> beyond boneheaded

19:32 <sethy> plox

19:32 <sethy> eye aer need a PovAddict plox

19:33 * PovAddict doesn't understand that language

19:33 <sethy> i need a PovAddict please

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19:44 <xcamel> try "port-u-geese"

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19:52 <xcamel> hmmm... gone quiet

19:52 <MTughan> Well, I'm trying to solve a problem on my NXT.

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19:56 <MTughan> 'lo e

19:56 <efc> hey

19:58 <MTughan> All right, I give up on a crane. Just gonna try and build another car.

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20:34 <sethy> where is MTughan's command center?

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21:00 <MTughan> Back.

21:00 <MTughan> Command centre?

21:02 <sethy> home

21:02 <MTughan> sethy: What's my command centre?

21:02 <MTughan> Ah...

21:02 <MTughan> Toronto, Canada.

21:02 <sethy> WE HAS CANADIANZ

21:02 <sethy> <#

21:03 <MTughan> No, the Canadiens are in Montreal. The Montreal Canadiens. :P

21:03 <xcamel> brits are goofy...

21:03 <sethy> yes i am...

21:04 <xcamel> all the french too goofy for france are in quebec

21:04 <xcamel> completely surrounded by adopted americans

21:06 <xcamel> except maybe for Newfoundland... they're mostly Irish, IIRC

21:06 <xcamel> or celtic at least.

21:06 <MTughan> I'm Irish...

21:07 <MTughan> But don't ask if I drink beer. I don't.

21:11 <MTughan> That was supposed to be witty...

21:12 <xcamel> I could tell by the /nick

21:15 <sethy> MTughan drinks beer?

21:16 <sethy> xD

21:16 <MTughan> Very funny. >_>

21:16 <sethy> my bad

21:22 <sethy> SLEEP TAIMZ

21:22 <sethy> 02:22:34

21:22 <sethy> 12 secconds late :(

21:23 * xcamel hasn't had a beer in 21 years 11 months and 16 days..... but who's counting

21:24 <MTughan> Apparently, you are.

21:24 <xcamel> :-)

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21:32 <MTughan> Wrong button?

21:33 *** zombie67 has quit IRC

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21:33 <MTughan> Again, wrong button?

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21:48 * xcamel yawns

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21:48 <MTughan> 'lo BB

21:50 <xcamel> Hiya BB

21:50 <MTughan> Phantom BB...

21:51 <Romulus> I think VirtualDub doesn't support .mkv, VirtualDubMod does

21:56 <MTughan> BadBarbarian: Are you there?

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21:58 <xcamel> almost looks like a skript/kiddy /nick

21:58 <xcamel> well... laterz...

21:58 <MTughan> Bye.

21:58 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

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22:26 <BadBarbarian> sorry was on a diferant channel

22:26 <BadBarbarian> lol

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23:04 <MTughan> PovAddict:

23:04 <Romulus> <> (at

23:04 <PovAddict> that's the copmany I had seen

23:04 <MTughan> I got the link from here.

23:04 <Romulus> <> (at

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23:42 <quail> afternoon all

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