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00:10 <Soul_keeper> geez small laptops are expensive ...
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00:21 <MTughan> $400 for two OLPCs.
00:25 <MTughan> RSS picked up a new XKCD...
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00:45 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you own OLPCs ?
00:45 <MTughan> I don't, but my dad's considering getting one.
00:45 <Soul_keeper> i thought they weren't for sale yet ?
00:45 <MTughan> November.
00:45 <Soul_keeper> ahhh
00:46 <MTughan> Hmm... CAD is late today.
00:47 <PovAddict> I'm reading it
00:47 <MTughan> Oh, it updated in the past few minutes...
00:48 <MTughan> Hehe... Nice job Zeke.
01:01 <PovAddict> *snap*
01:25 <MTughan> And I've got to go to bed. Bye all.
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02:20 <sethy> hey there c0dewarrior_
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03:22 <freelarry> &weather 98366
03:22 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 46°F / 8°C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Chance of rain north of Seattle after midnight. Lows in the 40s. South wind around 10 mph.; Monday - Cloudy with a chance of rain. Highs in the 50s. South wind around 10 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. Isolated showers in the (1 more message)
03:22 <freelarry> &more
03:22 <Romulus> freelarry: evening. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. Northwest wind to 10 mph shifting to the northeast after midnight.;
03:24 <efc> moo FL
03:26 <freelarry> moo efc
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04:49 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
04:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 35.3°F / 1.8°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.47in / 1031.7hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Widespread frost this morning. Sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. Light and variable winds...becoming southwest 5 to 10 mph this afternoon.; Tonight - Clear. Patchy frost after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. Southwest winds around 5 (1 more message)
04:49 <CoderForLife> &more
04:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph...becoming light south winds after midnight.; Tuesday - Patchy frost in the morning. Sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Freeze Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 5:00 AM EST on November 28, 2007;
04:51 <CoderForLife> huh? that's a mighty long freeze watch - maybe they mean October 28th
04:51 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast
04:58 <CoderForLife> b w/b
05:01 <quail> well some of my work I have done for Me TV has been uploaded to the trunk :-)
05:19 <CoderForLife> morning
05:20 <CoderForLife> back to w@#% today - being off last week was nice
05:20 <CoderForLife> looking at w@#% e-mail atm =(
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05:29 <CoderForLife> well - off to w@#%
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06:37 <hawmps> re-hi
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07:16 <MTughan> And off to school...
07:17 <MTughan> Ah, but first. 2C weather is nice for my room. I could probably run both cores at 100% and still be cool!
07:17 <MTughan> One core at 100% was 67C, and two cores at 75% was about 72C when it was a bit warmer.
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08:41 <BadBarbarian> morning
08:41 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023
08:41 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 31°F / -1°C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 30.31in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 61 on the North Rim to around 87 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 36 on the North Rim to around 48 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy. Highs (1 more message)
08:41 <BadBarbarian> &more
08:41 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: around 56 on the North Rim to around 83 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.;
09:06 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977
09:06 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 55.2°F / 12.9°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa | Conditions: Smoke | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog in the morning. Areas of smoke. Highs 79 to 84. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Slight chance of rain in the evening... then areas of drizzle after midnight. Lows 52 to (1 more message)
09:07 <Soul_keeper> &more
09:07 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 61. Light winds. Chance of measurable precipitation 20 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming partly cloudy. Areas of drizzle in the morning. Highs 70 to 75. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.;
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14:24 <sethy> nonstop since 13:08 my time
14:24 <sethy> 18:24:31 is nto
14:24 <sethy> now even
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15:55 <xcamel> re-hi
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16:35 <MTughan> 'lo all
16:37 <xcamel> 'lo MT
16:38 <MTughan> 'lo Jay. How are you doing?
16:43 <MTughan> &weather CYYZ
16:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 57Â°F / 14Â°C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 30.29in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM EDT; Tonight - A few clouds. Wind southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 3C(37F).; Tuesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. High 17C(63F). Tuesday night cloudy periods. Low 7C(45F).; (1 more message)
16:44 <MTughan> &more
16:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Wednesday - A mix of sun and cloud. Windy. High 17C(63F).;
16:45 <MTughan> Breezy tonight...
16:49 <MTughan> &math convert 530 kilobits to kilobytes
16:49 <Romulus> MTughan: 66.25
16:49 <MTughan> Okay, that seems about right...
17:00 <Romulus> Title: A TV that's too big for your apartment | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)
17:01 <PovAddict> "The 3 Ã— 2m module provided to set manufacturers weighs 60kg, and its power consumption is 1,200W when operated at a luminance of 1,000cd/m2. It has a pixel pitch of 3mm and supports the 720p HDTV resolution. The full On/Off contrast ratio is 10,000:1."
17:02 <MTughan> That's not from the CNET article...
17:02 <PovAddict> they better not be mass-producing that beast without reducing the power consumption first
17:02 <MTughan> You found it somewhere else?
17:02 <PovAddict> from CNET: "At a press conference in Kobe, Japan, on Friday,"
17:02 <PovAddict> link
17:02 <MTughan> Oh.
17:05 <MTughan> Wow... It seems that it will weigh less than 50kg.
17:05 <MTughan> &math convert 50 kg to lb
17:05 <Romulus> MTughan: 110.231131092
17:05 <MTughan> Okay, that' still stinkin' heavy.
17:06 * CoderForLife peeks into the room
17:06 <MTughan> And sees a gigantic 142" TV?
17:06 <CoderForLife> wow
17:07 <Romulus> Title: A TV that's too big for your apartment | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)
17:07 * CoderForLife rubs his eyes
17:08 <CoderForLife> prolly cost as much as my house
17:08 <MTughan> Apparently it'll cost into the tens of thousands. So maybe not as much as your house, but your car or two.
17:09 <MTughan> I gather that that price is USD too.
17:13 <CoderForLife> I'll wait to buy it for a nickel ninety-eight next year
17:13 <MTughan> lol
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17:18 <xcamel> 'lo Don
17:18 <xcamel> vacation all done?
17:19 <CoderForLife> yeah -- just took last week off - did a bunch of small things around the house
17:19 <MTughan> Nice...
17:19 <CoderForLife> it was very nice
17:20 <Romulus> b/c there's a new headboard and footboard for Christmas Eve Eve Eve, hawmps
17:20 <CoderForLife> the most creative thing we did was plant daffodls for next spring - 100 bulbs
17:20 <MTughan> Hehe... Nice one Rommie.
17:20 <CoderForLife> daffodils*
17:21 <CoderForLife> now shopping for Stephen's birthday
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17:21 <CoderForLife> but right now - bbiab - feed the birds
17:38 <CoderForLife> back
17:39 <CoderForLife> the birds made me promise to tell you all they say Hi
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17:46 <xcamel> we had a small flock of ?? sparrows stop in this AM that I had not seen before - they tore apart the white millet that was growing under the feeder
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17:49 <CoderForLife> they were heading south?
17:53 <xcamel> must be..
17:54 <xcamel> they were larger, and richer in color than normal. Latte colored heads, but bodies that looked like pine siskins
17:55 <xcamel> no black spot under chin or on the breast
17:56 <CoderForLife> hmm
17:57 <CoderForLife> Tennessee Bird Walk
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17:58 <MTughan> 'lo Doug
17:58 <wdsmia> *lo MT
18:01 <CoderForLife> hey there Doug
18:01 <wdsmia> *lo Don
18:02 * CoderForLife looks up for the voice coming from the ceiling
18:02 <wdsmia> ding... noah?
18:03 <CoderForLife> what's an "Ark"?
18:03 <CoderForLife> riiiiiiiight
18:03 <wdsmia> what's a cubit?
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18:03 <CoderForLife> what's rain?
18:04 <wdsmia> how long can you tread water?
18:04 <Romulus> Title: A TV that's too big for your apartment | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)
18:04 <CoderForLife> depends how many elephants I'm carrying
18:04 <wdsmia> lol
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18:09 <xcamel> voobaah - voobaah -voobaah
18:09 <wdsmia> *lo Jay
18:09 <MTughan> The CNET article up there: the 142" plasma TV.
18:09 <xcamel> 'lo Doug
18:09 <xcamel> I only saw the 110" LCD
18:10 <MTughan> The 142" was announced recently, maybe today or yesterday.
18:17 <xcamel> how far from you, Doug?
18:17 <wdsmia> other side of town but it closed down I 35 and I 80 for about 3 hrs
18:17 <MTughan> Ouch, solvent manufacturing...
18:21 <xcamel> that'll be messy...
18:21 <MTughan> Gah... the advertisements are making the page load so slowly...
18:21 <MTughan> More appropriate of dial-up, not broadband.
18:22 <MTughan> That and the Flash. >_>
18:28 <freakazoid0223> So you're gonna let it rain for 40 days and 40 nights and wait for the sewers to back up...
18:28 <MTughan> lol
18:28 <wdsmia> riiiiiiiight
18:30 <CoderForLife> off for the evening - cya nice folks soon
18:30 <freakazoid0223> cya
18:30 <MTughan> Bye.
18:32 <xcamel> voobaah - voobaah - voobaah
18:32 <MTughan> ?
18:32 <xcamel> noah's saw...
18:33 <MTughan> ...
18:41 <wdsmia> you want to move that ark... its blocking my driveway
18:46 <wdsmia> wow I had a good day on the stats
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19:17 <xcamel> I just keep plugging along...
19:21 <zombie67> just broke 100,000 at sudoku!
19:21 <PovAddict> woot
19:22 <Romulus> off for the graphical environment, which surely doesn't
19:23 <PovAddict> holy ship
19:24 <wdsmia> nice RAC
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19:28 <freakazoid0223> crap what do you guys have S/390's pr something
19:29 <PovAddict> freakazoid0223: zombie67 has a few 8-cores, *for a start/
19:29 <freakazoid0223> yikes
19:30 <zombie67> ;)
19:30 * freakazoid0223 hides behind his sun ultra 20
19:30 <freakazoid0223> and thats only an opty 144
19:30 <Romulus> Title: UltraSPARC T1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
19:31 <xcamel> yo Doug...
19:31 <Romulus> Title: POE.com » COLUMN 10.29.07: Bloggergate Origins (at www.poe.com)
19:32 <zombie67> Niagara is used in one of my products. Which one is your used in?
19:32 <freakazoid0223> I know the T2 came out recently
19:35 <zombie67> T1 (aka niagara) has up to 8 cores with 4 threads each (32 total threads).
19:36 <zombie67> T2 (aka N2) has up to 8 cores with 8 threads each (64 total threads)
19:36 <zombie67> really good for IO
19:37 <zombie67> not sure how good they would be as crunchers, as only 1 FPU per core, not thread.
19:37 <zombie67> PovAddict: which T1 boxes do you have?
19:37 <PovAddict> none
19:38 <MTughan> zombie67: How much did your Mac Pros cost you?
19:38 <PovAddict> my dad works at Sun, he got a T1 (probably non-functioning) as a "souvenir" in a meeting
19:38 <zombie67> PovAddict: You said you have a couple of them??
19:38 <zombie67> really? I work at Sun!
19:38 <PovAddict> :o
19:39 <MTughan> But you don't use Solaris?
19:39 <zombie67> For a home box?
19:39 <xcamel> that's what I was thinking...
19:39 <zombie67> I have a unix box with a better GUI
19:39 <zombie67> ;)
19:39 <MTughan> lol
19:39 <PovAddict> as long as he doesn't have windoze
19:39 <zombie67> MTughan: I don't recall, but it wasn't cheap!
19:39 <PovAddict> he's fine
19:40 <xcamel> like having a dozen O2 machines and using beauwulf clustering
19:40 <zombie67> Naw, MSFT & Sun are best buddies now
19:40 <PovAddict> hmm
19:40 <MTughan> No, MSFT and Facebook.
19:40 <zombie67> Remember when MSFT gave sun several billion $$?
19:40 <MTughan> Nope...
19:41 <PovAddict> after the MSJVM sue? :P
19:41 <xcamel> prevented an ugly bankruptcy
19:41 <Romulus> Title: Sun settles with Microsoft, announces layoffs | CNET News.com (at www.news.com)
19:41 <zombie67> who's bankrupsy?
19:42 <zombie67> bankruptcy
19:42 <zombie67> "Our companies will continue to compete hard, but this agreement creates a new basis for cooperation that will benefit the customers of both companies," Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said.
19:43 <zombie67> yeaaaaaaaaah
19:44 <zombie67> PovAddict: where does your dad work at Sun?
19:44 <MTughan> Argentina. :P
19:45 <zombie67> I meant where in the company
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19:45 <zombie67> PA1?
19:46 <MTughan> It's pidgin.
19:46 <PovAddic1> idiot connection
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19:46 <zombie67> PovAddict: where in Sun does your dad work?
20:16 <MTughan> zombie67: How many Mac Pros do you have anyway?
20:16 <zombie67> just one
20:16 <MTughan> 8 core ones, that is.
20:16 <MTughan> Oh...
20:16 <zombie67> I have three 8-way PCs
20:16 <zombie67> XP
20:16 <MTughan> :o XP!
20:16 <PovAddict> 'splains your RAC
20:17 <MTughan> Well, at least not Vista.
20:17 <zombie67> one OC quad XP
20:18 <zombie67> one with two Xeon 5060 (4 cores, 8 threads total)
20:18 <zombie67> 2 G4s
20:18 <zombie67> 1 G5 imac, 1 quad G5 tower
20:19 <zombie67> 1 C2 macbook pro
20:19 * MTughan is getting more jealous by the second...
20:19 <zombie67> 1 C2D iMac
20:19 <zombie67> 1 C2D XP
20:19 * PovAddict explodes
20:20 <zombie67> 2 AMD X2 w/ XP
20:20 <zombie67> 4 pentium D w/ XP
20:20 * PovAddict 's exploded pieces are on fire
20:20 <zombie67> AND!!!!!
20:20 <PovAddict> a 33MHz :)
20:21 <zombie67> one Pentium II with linux
20:21 <MTughan> lol
20:21 <PovAddict> close enuf
20:21 <zombie67> .37ghz
20:21 <PovAddict> 370 MHz?
20:21 <zombie67> oh! And a 800 mhz Pentium M w/ XP
20:21 <zombie67> yeah
20:23 <PovAddict> I have an AMD Athlon 4200+ 2.20GHz running XP (soon Linux)
20:23 <PovAddict> and a Pentium IV 3.0GHz that doesn't run 24/7 (and with HyperThreading disabled because the small performance increase wasn't worth all the software hangs)
20:24 <PovAddict> and that's it
20:24 <zombie67> I gave Tank Master three P4s and a PIII
20:24 <PovAddict> my dad has a PowerPC Mac PowerBook but doesn't run BOINC
20:24 <zombie67> too expensive to run
20:24 <MTughan> CD MacBook, P4 HT with XP and Fedora.
20:25 <PovAddict> d1nn3r -->
20:25 <zombie67> ltr
20:25 <MTughan> Bye. Nice numbers.
21:44 <xcamel> &weather 12074
21:44 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 31.6°F / -0.2°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.34in / 1027.3hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 60. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s. South winds around 5 mph.;
21:44 <MTughan> Cold...
21:44 <xcamel> again..
21:47 * MTughan is listening to No Ordinary Love (Featuring Nirva Dorsaint-Ready) by Tobymac from Portable Sounds
21:47 <MTughan> I really like TobyMac...
21:47 <xcamel> not on my radar..
21:48 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
21:48 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the upper 40s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Sunny. High in the lower 70s. South wind 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 40s. Southwest wind 15 to 20 mph.;
21:49 <MTughan> Where is that, and where is the first?
21:49 <MTughan> Oops...
21:49 <MTughan> I thought the same person did that. :P
21:49 <MTughan> Sorry Doug.
21:49 <MTughan> Well, you're a bit warmer. I think we're a touch colder here.
21:50 <MTughan> &weather Toronto
21:50 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 52Â°F / 11Â°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM EDT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Wind southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming light overnight. Low 6C(43F).; Tuesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. High 15C(59F). Tuesday night cloudy periods. Low 8C(46F).; Wednesday - Sunny. Windy. High 17C(63F).;
21:56 <xcamel> laterz....
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21:56 <wdsmia> cya
22:24 <PovAddict> wdsmia: you solved 872 captchas in pirates@home mechanical turk? :P
22:25 <PovAddict> I solved 300 just for the hell of it on the recaptcha demo page; I wish Eric would give me pirates credits for those...
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22:31 <khyron320> I havent run SETI since around 2002 what are some good WU times?
22:32 <PovAddict> SETI last year enhanced the application to search for signals more exhaustively, so it takes longer
22:32 <khyron320> i see
22:32 <PovAddict> I haven't run it in a few months, so I can't remember how much it takes
22:32 <khyron320> i have a P4 2.6ghz showing 8 hours for the 1st WU and 16 hours on the other HT is enabled...
22:33 <PovAddict> yeah, that's around it
22:33 <PovAddict> it was definitely more than 10 hours last time I ran seti_enhanced
22:33 <khyron320> Any1 else here on team Anandtech ?
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22:37 <khyron320> ok here is another question why are there so many MAC OS in the top computers...
22:37 <khyron320> that makes no sense at all
22:37 <PovAddict> ask zombie67
22:38 <PovAddict> he has an 8-core Mac
22:38 <zombie67> heh
22:38 <khyron320> wait no it does make sense
22:38 <khyron320> there are no games to play on mac so the cpu has nothing to do ZING
22:38 <zombie67> OSX w/ alexkan's optimized application is faster than any other app/OS combo
22:38 <PovAddict> I refuse to play games that eat all my CPU
22:39 <khyron320> no really why is so many?
22:39 <PovAddict> before BOINC, I played games while waiting for my own CPU-intensive operatoins to finish :)
22:39 <khyron320> im already in the googlemobile
22:39 <zombie67> like I said
22:39 <PovAddict> so having games use all CPU would defeat the purpose
22:39 <khyron320> oh
22:39 <khyron320> mac users are cheating
22:39 <khyron320> i see
22:39 <zombie67> ??
22:39 <khyron320> Optimizing
22:39 <zombie67> no
22:39 <zombie67> optimized application, not BOINC client
22:40 <zombie67> no cheating
22:40 <zombie67> it crunches work faster
22:40 <khyron320> Nvidia did Optimization before
22:40 <khyron320> we found out what that was
22:40 <khyron320> cutting corners
22:40 <zombie67> what are you talking about?
22:40 <khyron320> oh look it goes allot faster if you dont render everything!
22:40 <PovAddict> if you don't know what optimization is, don't comment ;)
22:40 <zombie67> Who?'s optimized application may be faster, when published
22:41 <zombie67> we wil have to wait and see
22:41 <zombie67> khyron320, there are optimized applications for windows and linux too
22:41 <zombie67> go to lunatics.at
22:42 <zombie67> without them, you are under-utilizing your machine
22:42 <khyron320> they have those for climate prediction too?
22:42 <PovAddict> khyron320: no
22:42 <PovAddict> khyron320: CPDN doesn't provide sourcecode
22:42 <zombie67> only SETI has them
22:43 <zombie67> like I said, they are the science applications that are optimized
22:43 <khyron320> I see thats what i usually run im running seti for the TA seti@home race
22:43 <zombie67> each project has its own application
22:43 <khyron320> thats why i have no idea on Seti
22:44 <Romulus> Title: Seti@Home optimized science apps and information (at lunatics.at)
22:44 <zombie67> and install the optimized application for your processor.
22:44 <PovAddict> zombie67: since when rendering 3D images a slight calculation difference doesn't matter... wanna build your own IMP app to use everything your CPU has and only what your CPU has? :)
22:45 <PovAddict> zombie67: did you see Pirates@Home captcha mechanical turk?
22:45 <zombie67> PovAddict: That is way over my head
22:45 <Romulus> Title: Pirates@Home Mechanical Turk: reCAPTCHA for credit (at pirates.spy-hill.net)
22:45 <zombie67> yeah
22:45 <zombie67> I did three
22:45 <PovAddict> I got 7 credits
22:45 <PovAddict> so 70
22:45 <zombie67> it adds credits?
22:45 <PovAddict> yes!
22:46 <PovAddict> 0.1 credits per captcha
22:46 <zombie67> 10 per credit
22:46 <zombie67> heh
22:46 <PovAddict> I did 300 on the recaptcha demo page just for the hell of it (before pirates@home did the mechanical turk)
22:47 <zombie67> naw, I will get to my goal quickly enough.
22:47 <zombie67> there is a similar thing for SETI
22:47 <PovAddict> o?
22:47 <zombie67> where you look at images and provide feedback
22:48 <PovAddict> linky?
22:49 <zombie67> doesn't add credits to seti@home though
22:49 <PovAddict> stardust doesn't search for ETI
22:49 <zombie67> no
22:49 <PovAddict> zombie67: there is a similar thing for SETI
22:49 <PovAddict> zombie67: where you look at images and provide feedback
22:49 <zombie67> it is another project
22:49 <PovAddict> I did quite a bit in stardust
22:49 <PovAddict> but now phase 2 is more frustrating than fun
22:49 <zombie67> sorry, I meant with the planetary society
22:50 <zombie67> both SETI@home and stardust@home are listed on their projects section
22:51 <zombie67> working on Sztaki with my macs, and POEM with my XPs
22:52 <zombie67> only a few left now
22:52 <zombie67> speaking of IMP.....
22:53 <zombie67> any work on the horizon?
23:09 <zombie67> LHC is quickly draining of work. 30k and dropping
23:09 <PovAddict> work on draining it faster
23:10 <zombie67> they upped it to 10/core, 40 max, right?
23:10 <PovAddict> apparently
23:10 <zombie67> silent on IMP.....?
23:11 <PovAddict> been 1. lazy, 2. busy with my nntp server
23:11 <zombie67> that nntp thing is COOOOOOOOL
23:11 <PovAddict> I got my Java rewrite almost to the point where I dropped the PHP version
23:12 <PovAddict> but message contents are hardcoded
23:13 <zombie67> newsreaders are *so* much better than web-based forums
23:13 <zombie67> faster, filtering, so many benefits
23:14 <PovAddict> on boinc-dev forums, people are liking the idea
23:14 <PovAddict> I find it annoying that mo.v is one of the people who liked the idea, but he keeps clicking "reply to thread"
23:15 <zombie67> the "included text" complaint is a red herring
23:15 <PovAddict> quoting lots of text is more annoying in a forum than in a newsgroup
23:15 <PovAddict> because in a web forum, posts are shown simultaneously on a single page
23:16 <zombie67> yeah, you can set a newsreader to do things with included text (like ignore it)
23:16 <PovAddict> and even without such an option, it's easier to manually scroll to skip it
23:16 <zombie67> yep
23:17 <PovAddict> btw, the news server would be read-only for a start...
23:17 <zombie67> you can also set it to skip past the included text, directly to the reply test
23:17 <zombie67> text
23:17 <PovAddict> posting would need work
23:17 <zombie67> I can see that
23:17 <wdsmia> well its that time...cya
23:18 <PovAddict> it would be very convenient if people can use the WYSIWYG editor on the newsreader to make formatted posts; that creates HTML, so I need an HTML-to-BBcode converter server-side
23:18 <zombie67> Frankly, I would like it if BOINC projects scrapped forums all together.
23:18 <PovAddict> and then there is the problem of passwords
23:18 <zombie67> just start up an NNTP server at each project
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23:18 <PovAddict> well, I'm still thinking how to keep the DB updated
23:18 <PovAddict> one way is just scraping projects' forum pages
23:19 <zombie67> forums are just way more work for no reason
23:19 <PovAddict> but I'd rather get notified immediately...
23:19 <zombie67> NNTP servers are an established technology
23:19 <PovAddict> each project could run an NNTP server with only its own forums
23:19 <zombie67> exactly!
23:20 <zombie67> Microsoft did that back in the day
23:20 <PovAddict> and via inter-server communication, keep a main server with all the posts
23:20 <zombie67> sure
23:20 <zombie67> it could be opt-in
23:20 <PovAddict> (mirroring in NNTP is conceptually easy)
23:21 <zombie67> web forums got popular for two reasons
23:21 <PovAddict> server connects to server, (authenticates, ) says "I have <somenewpost>", the other server replies either "ok I don't have that one, send it" or "I have it too"
23:21 <zombie67> 1) formatting: people like eye candy. USENET doesn't deliver
23:22 <PovAddict> I hate google groups...
23:22 <PovAddict> it makes a web interface for usenet; good-ish thing
23:22 <PovAddict> it lets you create your own groups, but those stay web-based and aren't accessible from NNTP; terribly bad thing
23:22 <zombie67> 2) Moderation: some people are control freaks, and don't like the fact that most newsgroups are unmoderated and ther is no one to complain to
23:23 <Romulus> FreeLarry: lol... nice way to do one, that's what the other day... He's trying to figer out why my client (or run another flavor, or update the client
23:23 <PovAddict> shush rommie
23:24 <zombie67> frankly, I *hate* the eye candy crap. If you need that to convey your message, you need to learn to write better.
23:25 <zombie67> also, I love the fact that no one can censor anything
23:25 <zombie67> if it's spam, I can skip it or filter it
23:25 <PovAddict> and if people disagree with you, NNTP allows both anyway
23:25 <PovAddict> messages are MIME, HTML is possible, if somebody REALLY wants eye-candy it's possible
23:25 <zombie67> we've seen at least one project where moderators/admins are out of control....
23:25 <PovAddict> and moderating is possible too, no protocol limitations for that
23:26 <zombie67> yep, and newsreaqders like thunderbird do that html stuff, I think
23:26 <PovAddict> MIME allows multiple formats
23:26 <PovAddict> we can have text/html, text/plain, and text/x-bbcode in a single message, if a client doesn't support one it can use the other
23:27 <PovAddict> the power of multipart/mixed...
23:27 <zombie67> yes, there are many moderated newsgroups on USENET.
23:27 <PovAddict> POV-Ray closed (= independent from usenet) newsserver has povray.bug-reports moderated
23:28 <zombie67> but since this would not be part of the general USENET population, no need to go through their approval committee
23:28 <PovAddict> and newsreaders can even let you know that it is
23:28 <zombie67> can I join POV-Ray yet?
23:28 <PovAddict> Outlook Express showed a "Moderated" message
23:28 <zombie67> be happy to test
23:28 <PovAddict> hmm?
23:29 <zombie67> your news server
23:29 <PovAddict> it's not mine
23:29 <zombie67> wow monday night football is a cliff hanger
23:29 <PovAddict> mine has only a test.foo group with a single post; and it has the same problem as last time you tried: no XOVER support that most clients require
23:29 <PovAddict> I was talking about news.povray.org
23:29 <zombie67> new address?
23:30 <PovAddict> ...
23:30 <PovAddict> news.povray.org is the official povray newsgroups; I have nothing to do with it
23:30 <zombie67> you had a NNTP server set up for development earlier...
23:31 <zombie67> what is povray?
23:31 <PovAddict> yep, which had a single group with a single post
23:31 <PovAddict> povray = persistence of vision raytracer
23:31 <MTughan> PovAddict, POV-Ray. Any connection? :P
23:31 <PovAddict> shush you
23:31 <MTughan> Hehe...
23:31 <zombie67> that is why I thought it was a new server of yours
23:31 <zombie67> what is POV-Ray?
23:32 <MTughan> It's a raytracer.
23:32 <zombie67> and?
23:32 <zombie67> what's that?
23:32 <zombie67> MNF going to OT!
23:33 <efc> moo
23:33 <MTughan> apt-get moo
23:33 <PovAddict> apt-get remove MTughan
23:34 <MTughan> :(
23:34 <zombie67> so, is POV-Ray an NNTP server?
23:34 <PovAddict> POV-Ray is an image generator
23:34 <MTughan> No, they have an NNTP server.
23:34 <PovAddict> which I tweaked a bit to run inside BOINC
23:34 <zombie67> are they on general usenet?
23:34 <zombie67> what is their group name(s)?
23:34 <PovAddict> no, they have that newsgroup just as they could have a user forum
23:35 <Romulus> Title: POV-Ray Hall of Fame: "Roger, Gary and Bob" (at hof.povray.org)
23:35 <Romulus> Looks like I got the usual translation for "thread" when refering to the problem with battlefeild 2142 it a bash, have a problem
23:35 <Romulus> Title: POV-Ray Hall of Fame: "Glow" (at hof.povray.org)
23:35 <PovAddict> ohh yeah that one rocks
23:36 <PovAddict> I know the guy who did it
23:36 <zombie67> I am trying to attach my nrewsreader
23:36 <PovAddict> I have a bunch more images from him on my other comp (off atm so I can't transfer them)
23:36 <zombie67> can i get there within the normal usenet groups? or do I need to go to a unique server?
23:37 <PovAddict> news.povray.org (also accessible from web)
23:37 <zombie67> packers win in OT! first play!
23:37 <MTughan> ...
23:37 <MTughan> Typical American... :P
23:38 <Romulus> Title: POV-Ray: Newsgroups: povray.binaries.images (at news.povray.org)
23:39 <zombie67> ah. need a userid and password
23:39 <PovAddict> for NNTP? no you don't
23:39 <PovAddict> for web? no you don't unless you want to post
23:40 <PovAddict> ohh shiny
23:40 <zombie67> yes, for news.povray.org, it asks for a userid and password
23:40 <zombie67> via thunderbird
23:41 <PovAddict> works for me with no auth
23:42 <zombie67> sorry
23:42 * zombie67 is an idiot
23:42 <zombie67> I was on the wrong server
23:43 <zombie67> wow, faq has posts going back to 1999. long retention!
23:43 <PovAddict> why not, if there's a total of 17 posts there?
23:44 <PovAddict> povray.general doesn't keep so old posts since there are so many thousands; binary groups probably even less :)
23:44 <efc> povray has been around forever.. I remember the 486s rendering it back in '95
23:44 <zombie67> you have different retention rules per group?
23:44 <PovAddict> me? I don't even know what server they run
23:44 <zombie67> look you! what is your connection to this group?
23:45 <zombie67> ;)
23:45 <PovAddict> to povray?
23:45 <PovAddict> I'm a user
23:46 <PovAddict> and that's it
23:46 <PovAddict> like any other user, except I have more CPU power than them thx to BOINC :D
23:46 <MTughan> lol
23:46 <zombie67> so what's with the screen captures from POV-Ray posted to BOINC?
23:46 <PovAddict> where?
23:47 <PovAddict> on boinc dev forums?
23:47 <zombie67> to the BOINC forums
23:47 <zombie67> yes
23:47 <PovAddict> to show people how it would look; most have never seen a newsgroup :P
23:47 <zombie67> I thought you were showing them your test server
23:47 <PovAddict> I could have used a screenshot from usenet as well
23:47 <zombie67> since it had POV in the name
23:47 <efc> I remember usenet.. hey, get off my lawn!
23:48 <PovAddict> or GRC private (=separate from usenet) newsgroups
23:48 <MTughan> efc: ?
23:48 <zombie67> brb