IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2007-10-29

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00:10 <Soul_keeper> geez small laptops are expensive ...

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00:21 <MTughan> $400 for two OLPCs.

00:25 <MTughan> RSS picked up a new XKCD...

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00:45 <Soul_keeper> MTughan,  you own OLPCs ?

00:45 <MTughan> I don't, but my dad's considering getting one.

00:45 <Soul_keeper> i thought they weren't for sale yet ?

00:45 <MTughan> November.

00:45 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

00:46 <MTughan> Hmm... CAD is late today.

00:47 <PovAddict> I'm reading it

00:47 <MTughan> Oh, it updated in the past few minutes...

00:48 <MTughan> Hehe... Nice job Zeke.

01:01 <PovAddict> *snap*

01:25 <MTughan> And I've got to go to bed. Bye all.

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02:20 <sethy> hey there c0dewarrior_

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03:22 <freelarry> &weather 98366

03:22 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 46F / 8C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Chance of rain north of Seattle after midnight. Lows in the 40s. South wind around 10 mph.; Monday - Cloudy with a chance of rain. Highs in the 50s. South wind around 10 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. Isolated showers in the (1 more message)

03:22 <freelarry> &more

03:22 <Romulus> freelarry: evening. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. Northwest wind to 10 mph shifting to the northeast after midnight.;

03:24 <efc> moo FL

03:26 <freelarry> moo efc

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04:49 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 35.3F / 1.8C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.47in / 1031.7hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Widespread frost this morning. Sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. Light and variable winds...becoming southwest 5 to 10 mph this afternoon.; Tonight - Clear. Patchy frost after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. Southwest winds around 5 (1 more message)

04:49 <CoderForLife> &more

04:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph...becoming light south winds after midnight.; Tuesday - Patchy frost in the morning. Sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Freeze Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 5:00 AM EST on November 28, 2007;

04:51 <CoderForLife> huh?  that's a mighty long freeze watch - maybe they mean October 28th

04:51 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:58 <CoderForLife> b w/b

05:01 <quail> well some of my work I have done for Me TV has been uploaded to the trunk :-)

05:19 <CoderForLife> morning

05:20 <CoderForLife> back to w@#% today - being off last week was nice

05:20 <CoderForLife> looking at w@#% e-mail atm =(

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05:29 <CoderForLife> well - off to w@#%

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06:37 <hawmps> re-hi

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07:16 <MTughan> And off to school...

07:17 <MTughan> Ah, but first. 2C weather is nice for my room. I could probably run both cores at 100% and still be cool!

07:17 <MTughan> One core at 100% was 67C, and two cores at 75% was about 72C when it was a bit warmer.

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08:41 <BadBarbarian> morning

08:41 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

08:41 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 31F / -1C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 30.31in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 61 on the North Rim to around 87 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 36 on the North Rim to around 48 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy. Highs (1 more message)

08:41 <BadBarbarian> &more

08:41 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: around 56 on the North Rim to around 83 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.;

09:06 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

09:06 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 55.2F / 12.9C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa | Conditions: Smoke | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog in the morning. Areas of smoke. Highs 79 to 84. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Slight chance of rain in the evening... then areas of drizzle after midnight. Lows 52 to (1 more message)

09:07 <Soul_keeper> &more

09:07 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 61. Light winds. Chance of measurable precipitation 20 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming partly cloudy. Areas of drizzle in the morning. Highs 70 to 75. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.;

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14:24 <sethy> nonstop since 13:08 my time

14:24 <sethy> 18:24:31 is nto

14:24 <sethy> now even

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15:55 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:35 <MTughan> 'lo all

16:37 <xcamel> 'lo MT

16:38 <MTughan> 'lo Jay. How are you doing?

16:43 <MTughan> &weather CYYZ

16:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 57°F / 14°C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 30.29in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM EDT; Tonight - A few clouds. Wind southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 3C(37F).; Tuesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. High 17C(63F). Tuesday night cloudy periods. Low 7C(45F).; (1 more message)

16:44 <MTughan> &more

16:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Wednesday - A mix of sun and cloud. Windy. High 17C(63F).;

16:45 <MTughan> Breezy tonight...

16:49 <MTughan> &math convert 530 kilobits to kilobytes

16:49 <Romulus> MTughan: 66.25

16:49 <MTughan> Okay, that seems about right...

17:00 <MTughan> Holy crap... A 142" plasma screen. O_O

17:00 <Romulus> Title: A TV that's too big for your apartment | Tech news blog - CNET (at

17:01 <PovAddict> "The 3 × 2m module provided to set manufacturers weighs 60kg, and its power consumption is 1,200W when operated at a luminance of 1,000cd/m2. It has a pixel pitch of 3mm and supports the 720p HDTV resolution. The full On/Off contrast ratio is 10,000:1."

17:02 <MTughan> That's not from the CNET article...

17:02 <PovAddict> they better not be mass-producing that beast without reducing the power consumption first

17:02 <MTughan> You found it somewhere else?

17:02 <PovAddict> from CNET: "At a press conference in Kobe, Japan, on Friday,"

17:02 <PovAddict> link

17:02 <MTughan> Oh.

17:05 <MTughan> Wow... It seems that it will weigh less than 50kg.

17:05 <MTughan> &math convert 50 kg to lb

17:05 <Romulus> MTughan: 110.231131092

17:05 <MTughan> Okay, that' still stinkin' heavy.

17:06 * CoderForLife peeks into the room

17:06 <MTughan> And sees a gigantic 142" TV?

17:06 <CoderForLife> wow

17:07 <MTughan>

17:07 <Romulus> Title: A TV that's too big for your apartment | Tech news blog - CNET (at

17:07 * CoderForLife rubs his eyes

17:08 <CoderForLife> prolly cost as much as my house

17:08 <MTughan> Apparently it'll cost into the tens of thousands. So maybe not as much as your house, but your car or two.

17:09 <MTughan> I gather that that price is USD too.

17:13 <CoderForLife> I'll wait to buy it for a nickel ninety-eight next year

17:13 <MTughan> lol

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17:18 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:18 <xcamel> vacation all done?

17:19 <CoderForLife> yeah -- just took last week off - did a bunch of small things around the house

17:19 <MTughan> Nice...

17:19 <CoderForLife> it was very nice

17:20 <Romulus> b/c there's a new headboard and footboard for Christmas Eve Eve Eve, hawmps

17:20 <CoderForLife> the most creative thing we did was plant daffodls for next spring - 100 bulbs

17:20 <MTughan> Hehe... Nice one Rommie.

17:20 <CoderForLife> daffodils*

17:21 <CoderForLife> now shopping for Stephen's birthday

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17:21 <CoderForLife> but right now - bbiab - feed the birds

17:38 <CoderForLife> back

17:39 <CoderForLife> the birds made me promise to tell you all they say Hi

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17:46 <xcamel> we had a small flock of ?? sparrows stop in this AM that I had not seen before - they tore apart the white millet that was growing under the feeder

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17:49 <CoderForLife> they were heading south?

17:53 <xcamel> must be..

17:54 <xcamel> they were larger, and richer in color than normal. Latte colored heads, but bodies that looked like pine siskins

17:55 <xcamel> no black spot under chin or on the breast

17:56 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:57 <CoderForLife> Tennessee Bird Walk

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17:58 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

17:58 <wdsmia> *lo MT

18:01 <CoderForLife> hey there Doug

18:01 <wdsmia> *lo Don

18:02 * CoderForLife looks up for the voice coming from the ceiling

18:02 <wdsmia> ding... noah?

18:03 <CoderForLife> what's an "Ark"?

18:03 <CoderForLife> riiiiiiiight

18:03 <wdsmia> what's a cubit?

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18:03 <CoderForLife> what's rain?

18:04 <wdsmia> how long can you tread water?

18:04 <MTughan> wdsmia:

18:04 <Romulus> Title: A TV that's too big for your apartment | Tech news blog - CNET (at

18:04 <CoderForLife> depends how many elephants I'm carrying

18:04 <wdsmia> lol

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18:09 <xcamel> voobaah - voobaah -voobaah

18:09 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

18:09 <MTughan> The CNET article up there: the 142" plasma TV.

18:09 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

18:09 <xcamel> I only saw the 110" LCD

18:10 <MTughan> The 142" was announced recently, maybe today or yesterday.

18:16 <wdsmia>

18:16 <Romulus> <> (at

18:17 <xcamel> how far from you, Doug?

18:17 <wdsmia> other side of town but it closed down I 35 and I 80 for about 3 hrs

18:17 <MTughan> Ouch, solvent manufacturing...

18:20 <wdsmia>;s=1;p=&dm=ss&tn=b

18:20 <Romulus> <> (at

18:21 <xcamel> that'll be messy...

18:21 <MTughan> Gah... the advertisements are making the page load so slowly...

18:21 <MTughan> More appropriate of dial-up, not broadband.

18:22 <MTughan> That and the Flash. >_>

18:28 <freakazoid0223> So you're gonna let it rain for 40 days and 40 nights and wait for the sewers to back up...

18:28 <MTughan> lol

18:28 <wdsmia> riiiiiiiight

18:30 <CoderForLife> off for the evening - cya nice folks soon

18:30 <freakazoid0223> cya

18:30 <MTughan> Bye.

18:32 <xcamel> voobaah - voobaah - voobaah

18:32 <MTughan> ?

18:32 <xcamel> noah's saw...

18:33 <MTughan> ...

18:41 <wdsmia> you want to move that ark... its blocking my driveway

18:46 <wdsmia> wow I  had a good day on the stats

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19:17 <xcamel> I just keep plugging along...

19:21 <zombie67> just broke 100,000 at sudoku!

19:21 <PovAddict> woot

19:22 <Romulus> off for the graphical environment, which surely doesn't

19:22 <wdsmia>

19:22 <Romulus> <> (at

19:23 <zombie67>

19:23 <Romulus> <> (at

19:23 <PovAddict> holy ship

19:24 <wdsmia> nice RAC

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19:28 <freakazoid0223> crap what do you guys have S/390's pr something

19:28 <xcamel>

19:28 <Romulus> <> (at

19:29 <PovAddict> freakazoid0223: zombie67 has a few 8-cores, *for a start/

19:29 <freakazoid0223> yikes

19:30 <zombie67> ;)

19:30 * freakazoid0223 hides behind his sun ultra 20

19:30 <freakazoid0223> and thats only an opty 144

19:30 <PovAddict> I have a couple of these:

19:30 <Romulus> Title: UltraSPARC T1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

19:31 <xcamel> yo Doug...

19:31 <xcamel> >>

19:31 <Romulus> Title: COLUMN 10.29.07: Bloggergate Origins (at

19:32 <zombie67> Niagara is used in one of my products.  Which one is your used in?

19:32 <freakazoid0223> I know the T2 came out recently

19:35 <zombie67> T1 (aka niagara) has up to 8 cores with 4 threads each (32 total threads).

19:36 <zombie67> T2 (aka N2) has up to 8 cores with 8 threads each (64 total threads)

19:36 <zombie67> really good for IO

19:37 <zombie67> not sure how good they would be as crunchers, as only 1 FPU per core, not thread.

19:37 <zombie67> PovAddict:  which T1 boxes do you have?

19:37 <PovAddict> none

19:38 <MTughan> zombie67: How much did your Mac Pros cost you?

19:38 <PovAddict> my dad works at Sun, he got a T1 (probably non-functioning) as a "souvenir" in a meeting

19:38 <zombie67> PovAddict:  You said you have a couple of them??

19:38 <zombie67> really?  I work at Sun!

19:38 <PovAddict> :o

19:39 <MTughan> But you don't use Solaris?

19:39 <zombie67> For a home box?

19:39 <xcamel> that's what I was thinking...

19:39 <zombie67> I have a unix box with a better GUI

19:39 <zombie67> ;)

19:39 <MTughan> lol

19:39 <PovAddict> as long as he doesn't have windoze

19:39 <zombie67> MTughan:  I don't recall, but it wasn't cheap!

19:39 <PovAddict> he's fine

19:40 <xcamel> like having a dozen O2 machines and using beauwulf clustering

19:40 <zombie67> Naw, MSFT & Sun are best buddies now

19:40 <PovAddict> hmm

19:40 <MTughan> No, MSFT and Facebook.

19:40 <zombie67> Remember when MSFT gave sun several billion $$?

19:40 <MTughan> Nope...

19:41 <PovAddict> after the MSJVM sue? :P

19:41 <xcamel> prevented an ugly bankruptcy

19:41 <zombie67>

19:41 <Romulus> Title: Sun settles with Microsoft, announces layoffs | CNET (at

19:41 <zombie67> who's bankrupsy?

19:42 <zombie67> bankruptcy

19:42 <zombie67> "Our companies will continue to compete hard, but this agreement creates a new basis for cooperation that will benefit the customers of both companies," Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said.

19:43 <zombie67> yeaaaaaaaaah

19:44 <zombie67> PovAddict:  where does your dad work at Sun?

19:44 <MTughan> Argentina. :P

19:45 <zombie67> I meant where in the company

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19:45 <zombie67> PA1?

19:46 <MTughan> It's pidgin.

19:46 <PovAddic1> idiot connection

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19:46 <zombie67> PovAddict:  where in Sun does your dad work?

20:16 <MTughan> zombie67: How many Mac Pros do you have anyway?

20:16 <zombie67> just one

20:16 <MTughan> 8 core ones, that is.

20:16 <MTughan> Oh...

20:16 <zombie67> I have three 8-way PCs

20:16 <zombie67> XP

20:16 <MTughan> :o XP!

20:16 <PovAddict> 'splains your RAC

20:17 <MTughan> Well, at least not Vista.

20:17 <zombie67> one OC quad XP

20:18 <zombie67> one with two Xeon 5060 (4 cores, 8 threads total)

20:18 <zombie67> 2 G4s

20:18 <zombie67> 1 G5 imac, 1 quad G5 tower

20:19 <zombie67> 1 C2 macbook pro

20:19 * MTughan is getting more jealous by the second...

20:19 <zombie67> 1 C2D iMac

20:19 <zombie67> 1 C2D XP

20:19 * PovAddict explodes

20:20 <zombie67> 2 AMD X2 w/ XP

20:20 <zombie67> 4 pentium D w/ XP

20:20 * PovAddict 's exploded pieces are on fire

20:20 <zombie67> AND!!!!!

20:20 <PovAddict> a 33MHz :)

20:21 <zombie67> one Pentium II with linux

20:21 <MTughan> lol

20:21 <PovAddict> close enuf

20:21 <zombie67> .37ghz

20:21 <PovAddict> 370 MHz?

20:21 <zombie67> oh!  And a 800 mhz Pentium M w/ XP

20:21 <zombie67> yeah

20:22 <zombie67>

20:22 <Romulus> <> (at

20:23 <PovAddict> I have an AMD Athlon 4200+ 2.20GHz running XP (soon Linux)

20:23 <PovAddict> and a Pentium IV 3.0GHz that doesn't run 24/7 (and with HyperThreading disabled because the small performance increase wasn't worth all the software hangs)

20:24 <PovAddict> and that's it

20:24 <zombie67> I gave Tank Master three P4s and a PIII

20:24 <PovAddict> my dad has a PowerPC Mac PowerBook but doesn't run BOINC

20:24 <zombie67> too expensive to run

20:24 <MTughan> CD MacBook, P4 HT with XP and Fedora.

20:25 <PovAddict> d1nn3r -->

20:25 <zombie67> ltr

20:25 <MTughan> Bye. Nice numbers.

21:44 <xcamel> &weather 12074

21:44 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 31.6F / -0.2C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.34in / 1027.3hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 60. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s. South winds around 5 mph.;

21:44 <MTughan> Cold...

21:44 <xcamel> again..

21:47 * MTughan is listening to No Ordinary Love (Featuring Nirva Dorsaint-Ready) by Tobymac from Portable Sounds

21:47 <MTughan> I really like TobyMac...

21:47 <xcamel> not on my radar..

21:48 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

21:48 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 55F / 13C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the upper 40s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Sunny. High in the lower 70s. South wind 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 40s. Southwest wind 15 to 20 mph.;

21:49 <MTughan> Where is that, and where is the first?

21:49 <MTughan> Oops...

21:49 <MTughan> I thought the same person did that. :P

21:49 <MTughan> Sorry Doug.

21:49 <MTughan> Well, you're a bit warmer. I think we're a touch colder here.

21:50 <MTughan> &weather Toronto

21:50 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM EDT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Wind southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming light overnight. Low 6C(43F).; Tuesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. High 15C(59F). Tuesday night cloudy periods. Low 8C(46F).; Wednesday - Sunny. Windy. High 17C(63F).;

21:56 <xcamel> laterz....

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21:56 <wdsmia> cya

22:24 <PovAddict> wdsmia: you solved 872 captchas in pirates@home mechanical turk? :P

22:25 <PovAddict> I solved 300 just for the hell of it on the recaptcha demo page; I wish Eric would give me pirates credits for those...

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22:31 <khyron320> I havent run SETI since around 2002 what are some good WU times?

22:32 <PovAddict> SETI last year enhanced the application to search for signals more exhaustively, so it takes longer

22:32 <khyron320> i see

22:32 <PovAddict> I haven't run it in a few months, so I can't remember how much it takes

22:32 <khyron320> i have a P4 2.6ghz showing 8 hours for the 1st WU and 16 hours on the other HT is enabled...

22:33 <PovAddict> yeah, that's around it

22:33 <PovAddict> it was definitely more than 10 hours last time I ran seti_enhanced

22:33 <khyron320> Any1 else here on team Anandtech ?

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22:37 <khyron320> ok here is another question why are there so many MAC OS in the top computers...

22:37 <khyron320> that makes no sense at all

22:37 <PovAddict> ask zombie67

22:38 <PovAddict> he has an 8-core Mac

22:38 <zombie67> heh

22:38 <khyron320> wait no it does make sense

22:38 <khyron320> there are no games to play on mac so the cpu has nothing to do ZING

22:38 <zombie67> OSX w/ alexkan's optimized application is faster than any other app/OS combo

22:38 <PovAddict> I refuse to play games that eat all my CPU

22:39 <khyron320> no really why is so many?

22:39 <PovAddict> before BOINC, I played games while waiting for my own CPU-intensive operatoins to finish :)

22:39 <khyron320> im already in the googlemobile

22:39 <zombie67> like I said

22:39 <PovAddict> so having games use all CPU would defeat the purpose

22:39 <khyron320> oh

22:39 <khyron320> mac users are cheating

22:39 <khyron320> i see

22:39 <zombie67> ??

22:39 <khyron320> Optimizing

22:39 <zombie67> no

22:39 <zombie67> optimized application, not BOINC client

22:40 <zombie67> no cheating

22:40 <zombie67> it crunches work faster

22:40 <khyron320> Nvidia did Optimization before

22:40 <khyron320> we found out what that was

22:40 <khyron320> cutting corners

22:40 <zombie67> what are you talking about?

22:40 <khyron320> oh look it goes allot faster if you dont render everything!

22:40 <PovAddict> if you don't know what optimization is, don't comment ;)

22:40 <zombie67> Who?'s optimized application may be faster, when published

22:41 <zombie67> we wil have to wait and see

22:41 <zombie67> khyron320, there are optimized applications for windows and linux too

22:41 <zombie67> go to

22:42 <zombie67> without them, you are under-utilizing your machine

22:42 <khyron320> they have those for climate prediction too?

22:42 <PovAddict> khyron320: no

22:42 <PovAddict> khyron320: CPDN doesn't provide sourcecode

22:42 <zombie67> only SETI has them

22:43 <zombie67> like I said, they are the science applications that are optimized

22:43 <khyron320> I see thats what i usually run im running seti for the TA seti@home race

22:43 <zombie67> each project has its own application

22:43 <khyron320> thats why i have no idea on Seti

22:44 <zombie67> so if you want to improve your crunching speed (and therefore credits), go to

22:44 <Romulus> Title: Seti@Home optimized science apps and information (at

22:44 <zombie67> and install the optimized application for your processor.

22:44 <PovAddict> zombie67: since when rendering 3D images a slight calculation difference doesn't matter... wanna build your own IMP app to use everything your CPU has and only what your CPU has? :)

22:45 <PovAddict> zombie67: did you see Pirates@Home captcha mechanical turk?

22:45 <zombie67> PovAddict:  That is way over my head

22:45 <PovAddict> zombie67:

22:45 <Romulus> Title: Pirates@Home Mechanical Turk: reCAPTCHA for credit (at

22:45 <zombie67> yeah

22:45 <zombie67> I did three

22:45 <PovAddict> I got 7 credits

22:45 <PovAddict> so 70

22:45 <zombie67> it adds credits?

22:45 <PovAddict> yes!

22:46 <PovAddict> 0.1 credits per captcha

22:46 <zombie67> 10 per credit

22:46 <zombie67> heh

22:46 <PovAddict> I did 300 on the recaptcha demo page just for the hell of it (before pirates@home did the mechanical turk)

22:47 <zombie67> naw, I will get to my goal quickly enough.

22:47 <zombie67> there is a similar thing for SETI

22:47 <PovAddict> o?

22:47 <zombie67> where you look at images and provide feedback

22:48 <PovAddict> linky?

22:48 <zombie67>

22:48 <Romulus> <> (at

22:49 <zombie67> doesn't add credits to seti@home though

22:49 <PovAddict> stardust doesn't search for ETI

22:49 <zombie67> no

22:49 <PovAddict> zombie67: there is a similar thing for SETI

22:49 <PovAddict> zombie67: where you look at images and provide feedback

22:49 <zombie67> it is another project

22:49 <PovAddict> I did quite a bit in stardust

22:49 <PovAddict> but now phase 2 is more frustrating than fun

22:49 <zombie67> sorry, I meant with the planetary society

22:50 <zombie67> both SETI@home and stardust@home are listed on their projects section

22:51 <zombie67> working on Sztaki with my macs, and POEM with my XPs

22:52 <zombie67> only a few left now

22:52 <zombie67> speaking of IMP.....

22:53 <zombie67> any work on the horizon?

23:09 <zombie67> LHC is quickly draining of work.  30k and dropping

23:09 <PovAddict> work on draining it faster

23:10 <zombie67> they upped it to 10/core, 40 max, right?

23:10 <PovAddict> apparently

23:10 <zombie67> silent on IMP.....?

23:11 <PovAddict> been 1. lazy, 2. busy with my nntp server

23:11 <zombie67> that nntp thing is COOOOOOOOL

23:11 <PovAddict> I got my Java rewrite almost to the point where I dropped the PHP version

23:12 <PovAddict> but message contents are hardcoded

23:13 <zombie67> newsreaders are *so* much better than web-based forums

23:13 <zombie67> faster, filtering, so many benefits

23:14 <PovAddict> on boinc-dev forums, people are liking the idea

23:14 <PovAddict> I find it annoying that mo.v is one of the people who liked the idea, but he keeps clicking "reply to thread"

23:14 <PovAddict>

23:14 <Romulus> <> (at

23:15 <zombie67> the "included text" complaint is a red herring

23:15 <PovAddict> quoting lots of text is more annoying in a forum than in a newsgroup

23:15 <PovAddict> because in a web forum, posts are shown simultaneously on a single page

23:16 <zombie67> yeah, you can set a newsreader to do things with included text (like ignore it)

23:16 <PovAddict> and even without such an option, it's easier to manually scroll to skip it

23:16 <zombie67> yep

23:17 <PovAddict> btw, the news server would be read-only for a start...

23:17 <zombie67> you can also set it to skip past the included text, directly to the reply test

23:17 <zombie67> text

23:17 <PovAddict> posting would need work

23:17 <zombie67> I can see that

23:17 <wdsmia> well its that time...cya

23:18 <PovAddict> it would be very convenient if people can use the WYSIWYG editor on the newsreader to make formatted posts; that creates HTML, so I need an HTML-to-BBcode converter server-side

23:18 <zombie67> Frankly, I would like it if BOINC projects scrapped forums all together.

23:18 <PovAddict> and then there is the problem of passwords

23:18 <zombie67> just start up an NNTP server at each project

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23:18 <PovAddict> well, I'm still thinking how to keep the DB updated

23:18 <PovAddict> one way is just scraping projects' forum pages

23:19 <zombie67> forums are just way more work for no reason

23:19 <PovAddict> but I'd rather get notified immediately...

23:19 <zombie67> NNTP servers are an established technology

23:19 <PovAddict> each project could run an NNTP server with only its own forums

23:19 <zombie67> exactly!

23:20 <zombie67> Microsoft did that back in the day

23:20 <PovAddict> and via inter-server communication, keep a main server with all the posts

23:20 <zombie67> sure

23:20 <zombie67> it could be opt-in

23:20 <PovAddict> (mirroring in NNTP is conceptually easy)

23:21 <zombie67> web forums got popular for two reasons

23:21 <PovAddict> server connects to server, (authenticates, ) says "I have <somenewpost>", the other server replies either "ok I don't have that one, send it" or "I have it too"

23:21 <zombie67> 1)  formatting:  people like eye candy.  USENET doesn't deliver

23:22 <PovAddict> I hate google groups...

23:22 <PovAddict> it makes a web interface for usenet; good-ish thing

23:22 <PovAddict> it lets you create your own groups, but those stay web-based and aren't accessible from NNTP; terribly bad thing

23:22 <zombie67> 2)  Moderation:  some people are control freaks, and don't like the fact that most newsgroups are unmoderated and ther is no one to complain to

23:23 <Romulus> FreeLarry: lol... nice way to do one, that's what the other day... He's trying to figer out why my client (or run another flavor, or update the client

23:23 <PovAddict> shush rommie

23:24 <zombie67> frankly, I *hate* the eye candy crap.  If you need that to convey your message, you need to learn to write better.

23:25 <zombie67> also, I love the fact that no one can censor anything

23:25 <zombie67> if it's spam, I can skip it or filter it

23:25 <PovAddict> and if people disagree with you, NNTP allows both anyway

23:25 <PovAddict> messages are MIME, HTML is possible, if somebody REALLY wants eye-candy it's possible

23:25 <zombie67> we've seen at least one project where moderators/admins are out of control....

23:25 <PovAddict> and moderating is possible too, no protocol limitations for that

23:26 <zombie67> yep, and newsreaqders like thunderbird do that html stuff, I think

23:26 <PovAddict> MIME allows multiple formats

23:26 <PovAddict> we can have text/html, text/plain, and text/x-bbcode in a single message, if a client doesn't support one it can use the other

23:27 <PovAddict> the power of multipart/mixed...

23:27 <zombie67> yes, there are many moderated newsgroups on USENET.

23:27 <PovAddict> POV-Ray closed (= independent from usenet) newsserver has povray.bug-reports moderated

23:28 <zombie67> but since this would not be part of the general USENET population, no need to go through their approval committee

23:28 <PovAddict> and newsreaders can even let you know that it is

23:28 <zombie67> can I join POV-Ray yet?

23:28 <PovAddict> Outlook Express showed a "Moderated" message

23:28 <zombie67> be happy to test

23:28 <PovAddict> hmm?

23:29 <zombie67> your news server

23:29 <PovAddict> it's not mine

23:29 <zombie67> wow monday night football is a cliff hanger

23:29 <PovAddict> mine has only a group with a single post; and it has the same problem as last time you tried: no XOVER support that most clients require

23:29 <PovAddict> I was talking about

23:29 <zombie67> new address?

23:30 <PovAddict> ...

23:30 <PovAddict> is the official povray newsgroups; I have nothing to do with it

23:30 <zombie67> you had a NNTP server set up for development earlier...

23:31 <zombie67> what is povray?

23:31 <PovAddict> yep, which had a single group with a single post

23:31 <PovAddict> povray = persistence of vision raytracer

23:31 <MTughan> PovAddict, POV-Ray. Any connection? :P

23:31 <PovAddict> shush you

23:31 <MTughan> Hehe...

23:31 <zombie67> that is why I thought it was a new server of yours

23:31 <zombie67> what is POV-Ray?

23:32 <MTughan> It's a raytracer.

23:32 <zombie67> and?

23:32 <zombie67> what's that?

23:32 <PovAddict>

23:32 <Romulus> <> (at

23:32 <zombie67> MNF going to OT!

23:33 <efc> moo

23:33 <MTughan> apt-get moo

23:33 <PovAddict> apt-get remove MTughan

23:34 <MTughan> :(

23:34 <zombie67> so, is POV-Ray an NNTP server?

23:34 <PovAddict> POV-Ray is an image generator

23:34 <MTughan> No, they have an NNTP server.

23:34 <PovAddict> which I tweaked a bit to run inside BOINC

23:34 <zombie67> are they on general usenet?

23:34 <zombie67> what is their group name(s)?

23:34 <PovAddict> no, they have that newsgroup just as they could have a user forum

23:35 <MTughan> Any example of an image made with POV-Ray.

23:35 <Romulus> Title: POV-Ray Hall of Fame: "Roger, Gary and Bob" (at

23:35 <Romulus> Looks like I got the usual translation for "thread" when refering to the problem with battlefeild 2142 it a bash, have a problem

23:35 <MTughan> Or this.

23:35 <Romulus> Title: POV-Ray Hall of Fame: "Glow" (at

23:35 <PovAddict> ohh yeah that one rocks

23:36 <PovAddict> I know the guy who did it

23:36 <zombie67> I am trying to attach my nrewsreader

23:36 <PovAddict> I have a bunch more images from him on my other comp (off atm so I can't transfer them)

23:36 <zombie67> can i get there within the normal usenet groups?  or do I need to go to a unique server?

23:37 <PovAddict> (also accessible from web)

23:37 <zombie67> packers win in OT!  first play!

23:37 <MTughan> ...

23:37 <MTughan> Typical American... :P

23:38 <PovAddict>

23:38 <Romulus> <> (at

23:38 <PovAddict> MTughan: lots of cool stuff from users there

23:38 <Romulus> Title: POV-Ray: Newsgroups: povray.binaries.images (at

23:39 <zombie67> ah.  need a userid and password

23:39 <PovAddict> for NNTP? no you don't

23:39 <PovAddict> for web? no you don't unless you want to post

23:40 <PovAddict> ohh shiny

23:40 <PovAddict>

23:40 <Romulus> <> (at

23:40 <zombie67> yes, for, it asks for a userid and password

23:40 <zombie67> via thunderbird

23:41 <PovAddict> works for me with no auth

23:42 <zombie67> sorry

23:42 * zombie67 is an idiot

23:42 <zombie67> I was on the wrong server

23:43 <zombie67> wow, faq has posts going back to 1999.  long retention!

23:43 <PovAddict> why not, if there's a total of 17 posts there?

23:44 <PovAddict> povray.general doesn't keep so old posts since there are so many thousands; binary groups probably even less :)

23:44 <efc> povray has been around forever.. I remember the 486s rendering it back in '95

23:44 <zombie67> you have different retention rules per group?

23:44 <PovAddict> me? I don't even know what server they run

23:44 <zombie67> look you!  what is your connection to this group?

23:45 <zombie67> ;)

23:45 <PovAddict> to povray?

23:45 <PovAddict> I'm a user

23:46 <PovAddict> and that's it

23:46 <PovAddict> like any other user, except I have more CPU power than them thx to BOINC :D

23:46 <MTughan> lol

23:46 <zombie67> so what's with the screen captures from POV-Ray posted to BOINC?

23:46 <PovAddict> where?

23:47 <PovAddict> on boinc dev forums?

23:47 <zombie67> to the BOINC forums

23:47 <zombie67> yes

23:47 <PovAddict> to show people how it would look; most have never seen a newsgroup :P

23:47 <zombie67> I thought you were showing them your test server

23:47 <PovAddict> I could have used a screenshot from usenet as well

23:47 <zombie67> since it had POV in the name

23:47 <efc> I remember usenet.. hey, get off my lawn!

23:48 <PovAddict> or GRC private (=separate from usenet) newsgroups

23:48 <MTughan> efc: ?

23:48 <zombie67> brb

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