IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2007-11-04

00:00 <zombie67> really was a redirect to reply to this post, for the first post

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00:52 <zombie67> hmmmm

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01:48 <TheGasGiant> #weather ymml

01:48 <TheGasGiant> &weather ymml

01:48 <Romulus> TheGasGiant: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Rain Showers | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 22mph / 35km/h | Updated: 4:30 PM EST; Rain. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:46 F. / 8 C.;

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01:51 <freelarry> &weather 98366

01:51 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 50F / 10C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with a chance of rain late. Lows in the mid 40s to lower 50s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Rain likely in the morning...then mostly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the 50s. Southwest wind to 10 mph shifting to the north around (1 more message)

01:51 <freelarry> &more

01:51 <Romulus> freelarry: 10 mph in the afternoon.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the 30s to lower 40s. Light wind becoming north to 10 mph after midnight.;

01:51 <TheGasGiant> heya Larry :)

01:51 <TheGasGiant> heya Larry :)

01:51 <freelarry> heyya stranger

01:51 <freelarry> ;0

01:52 <Romulus> The RIAA has been reading about, like git or hg

01:52 <TheGasGiant> good to see you

01:52 <freelarry> just in early from you know where

01:52 <TheGasGiant> how have you been?

01:52 <TheGasGiant> ugh

01:52 <freelarry> having to do some maintenance on this machine - got suckered with a phishing link on good site

01:52 <TheGasGiant> eek

01:53 <freelarry> other than that in process of moving computer room and playing carpenter around here for wifes to do list

01:53 <freelarry> yeah got hit with about 8 trojans and 4 backdoor worms

01:53 <TheGasGiant> wow

01:53 <freelarry> from one link

01:54 <TheGasGiant> the usual things to do at home then

01:54 <freelarry> yup

01:54 <TheGasGiant> your machines going well?

01:55 <freelarry> mostly - got a few down to save on power bill a little

01:55 <TheGasGiant> bugger

01:56 <TheGasGiant> I could either buy a new machine, or save up to build a new house...hmmmm

01:56 <quail> afternoon all

01:56 <TheGasGiant> heya Dale

01:56 <quail> hey Paul

01:56 <quail> hows things?

01:56 <freelarry> yea wife messed up her unemployment so down to my income here - new machine half way done but still need parts here

01:57 <TheGasGiant> watch the V8's from Dubai?

01:57 <TheGasGiant> that's a double bugger Larry!

01:57 <freelarry> lol ain't it all these projects waiting on money to become available

01:58 <TheGasGiant> yup...just have to win the lottry

01:58 <freelarry> wouldnt help - wife would have it spent in two days

01:58 <TheGasGiant> LOL

01:58 <freelarry> and still have a lot of bills left to pay

01:58 <TheGasGiant> damn

01:59 <freelarry> she never learns

01:59 <freelarry> but at least this time the boot to head is from someone in the state not me

01:00 <TheGasGiant> will she learn from this one?

01:00 <freelarry> trend micro housecall in prerelease for version 6.6

01:00 <freelarry> not much changes from 6.5 but can see what its scanning now

01:01 <freelarry> i can only hope the lesson sticks more than one hour after she clears it up

01:01 <freelarry> not allowed unemployment benefits for 2.5 yrs and has to pay all of what she got back

01:01 <TheGasGiant> oh wow...bad girl

01:02 <freelarry> forgot to claim one source of income and they found out

01:02 <freelarry> appeals process has been started so how long that will take - who knows

01:03 <TheGasGiant> forgot? or willfully forgot?

01:04 <freelarry> i couldn

01:04 <freelarry> t say

01:04 <freelarry> but i think you know which way i lean

01:04 <TheGasGiant> lol, yeah

01:10 <TheGasGiant> &weather ymml

01:10 <Romulus> TheGasGiant: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 23mph / 37km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM EST; Rain. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:46 F. / 8 C.;

01:10 <TheGasGiant> brrr

01:11 <TheGasGiant> &cya freelarry

01:11 <Romulus> TheGasGiant: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

01:11 <TheGasGiant> &bye freelarry

01:11 <Romulus> later ace

01:17 <freelarry> l8r paul dale

01:17 * freelarry wonders why paul brring when he's warmer than i am here

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03:07 <CoderForLife> dang time change - now I'm waking up waaaay too early

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04:32 <quail> g'evening all

04:34 <c0dewarrior> g'morning

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05:04 <CoderForLife> g'whatver time it is since the clocks changed

05:04 <CoderForLife> er g'whatever

05:04 <CoderForLife> er whatever

05:05 <c0dewarrior> g'whatever

05:10 <CoderForLife> g'grief

05:18 <quail> hehe

05:19 <CoderForLife> &seen TheGasGiant

05:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: TheGasGiant was last seen in #boinc 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <TheGasGiant> &bye freelarry

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05:46 * quail thinks that he may have fixed his keyboard skipping keys problem

05:50 * CoderForLife has problems thinking

06:11 <quail> a bios down grade fixed my skipping key problem on laptop

06:18 <CoderForLife> one skipping key forward, one downgrade back

06:19 <quail> hehe

06:19 <quail> brb

06:19 <CoderForLife> what is the best version of ubuntu for a laptop, considering power consumption - Edgy?

06:19 <CoderForLife> brb

06:20 <Romulus> I would have put in the past :)

06:30 <MTughan> Ah, good to be back. I skipped out the rest of last night.

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06:37 <quail> MTughan: it looks like i have fixed my keyboard problem on my laptop

06:37 <MTughan> Sweet! Nice job.

06:38 <c0dewarrior> MTughan: howdy

06:38 <MTughan> 'lo c0dey

06:38 <MTughan> :P

06:39 * c0dewarrior runs a regular expression on c0dey, fails to match

06:39 <MTughan> c0de then.

06:39 <c0dewarrior> grin

06:39 <c0dewarrior> how're you keeping

06:39 <MTughan> Pretty good.

06:39 <quail> MTughan: I done a bios downgrade and the keyboard came good

06:39 <seth_afk> &math calc 318/60

06:39 <Romulus> seth_afk: 5.3

06:39 <seth_afk> ty

06:39 <MTughan> YouTube seems to be having some issues with the search.

06:40 <MTughan> quail: That's rather odd, I must admit.

06:41 <MTughan> Anyway, have to go for a bit. Have some stuff to do, and I have to reset my watch...

06:47 <quail> MTughan: yeah I found it rather odd

06:47 <quail> too

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07:23 <CoderForLife> eep

07:26 <quail> man my laptop is running alot better with the bios downgrade, which is surprising me that bios can screw minor things around like keyboard and power managment stuff so much

07:27 <quail> teaches me

07:28 <quail> but I have learnt one thing I am better than the repairer

07:29 <seth_afk> OMFG EXPLOITS!

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07:46 <xcamel> 'lo

07:47 <Romulus> i'd like at the original wrapper to work

07:56 <xcamel> join #kde

08:00 <CoderForLife> morning

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08:01 <CoderForLife> what's up in #kde?

08:01 <xcamel> hi

08:02 <xcamel> trying to fix a problem

08:02 <CoderForLife> ah

08:02 <xcamel> never much help though

08:03 <xcamel> having to use xchat atm..

08:03 <CoderForLife> I don't get much help from those channels

08:03 <CoderForLife> they just say I'm stupid

08:03 <Romulus> 90/72 now - just be too tired tho

08:05 <quail> atm it looks like I have got a new mobo and keyboard for my laptop cause of a dodgy bios

08:05 <xcamel> any ideas on an unknown symbol error for libkdeui?

08:06 <CoderForLife> bad version of a library would be my first guess

08:07 <CoderForLife> you've got a .so that's SOL

08:08 <CoderForLife> does it say what symbol?

08:10 <CoderForLife> "unknown" or "undefined"?

08:11 <CoderForLife> I'll let the #kde folks try to help

08:11 <xcamel> /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev

08:12 <CoderForLife> paste that to #kde

08:12 <CoderForLife> PhilROd is bascially right

08:12 <CoderForLife> mismatch/bad version

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08:17 <xcamel> he's blaming it on fedora... I don't think so.

08:19 <CoderForLife> I saw that - it's probably a later .so that GoogleEarth copied in

08:20 <xcamel> uh-huh

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08:21 <CoderForLife> the questions are - which? and how to put back?

08:21 <CoderForLife> does GoogleEarth make an install log?

08:21 <CoderForLife> or better yet, backup what it changes?

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08:23 <xcamel> going to stick my neck out and reinstall kde libs

08:24 <CoderForLife> good luck

08:26 <xcamel> the problem is the lib errors never tell you where it's getting the symbol table from..

08:26 * xcamel is remembering how much I dislike xchat

08:30 <xcamel> that didn't work..

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08:31 <CoderForLife> is there an install log or backup from GoogleEarth

08:32 <xcamel> nope

08:32 <xcamel> I could re-install it and get the list of libs

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08:34 * CoderForLife looks at his rig

08:36 <xcamel> no install log

08:39 <CoderForLife> nm utility dumps a shared obect file symbols

08:40 <CoderForLife> object*

08:41 <xcamel> lol - no symbols -

08:42 <CoderForLife> shucks

08:42 <xcamel> unless...

08:42 <CoderForLife> is it a symlink?

08:42 <xcamel> yup

08:43 <xcamel> looking for the linkage

08:43 <CoderForLife> k

08:43 <CoderForLife> something named after the .so.* probably

08:44 <xcamel> no symbols in any

08:44 <CoderForLife> hmm

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08:47 <xcamel> ok.. that lib is in the -dev package..

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08:49 <xcamel> _ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev is a qt part

08:50 <xcamel> libqtxml

08:50 <xcamel> back checking libs...

08:55 <CoderForLife> ah

08:55 <CoderForLife> that's progress

08:56 <Romulus> well, Eclipse b0rkedness solved, project restored, now I think I'm gonna get a straight file server.

08:56 <CoderForLife> you could yum remove and reinstall qt

08:56 <CoderForLife> I think

08:57 <CoderForLife> congrats Rommie - PovAddict had that problem, too

09:01 <CoderForLife> or not

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09:13 <xcamel> still working on it..

09:20 <CoderForLife> ok - I wandered off and back

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09:39 <xcamel> banging head on desk...

09:39 <CoderForLife> that's rarely been proved to help

09:40 <CoderForLife> can you just uninstall GoogleEarth and Qt, and put them back, maybe in the opposite order?

09:41 <CoderForLife> G then Q

09:41 <CoderForLife> I need to wander away here for ahile

09:42 <CoderForLife> awhile*

09:42 <xcamel> ditto - and think some

09:42 <CoderForLife> OK  ttyl

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10:22 <BadBarbarian> morning everyone

10:23 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

10:23 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 50.9F / 10.5C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 23.83in / 806.9hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.7mph / 4.3km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs 62 to 68. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 22 to 30. Light winds.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs 63 to 69. Light winds.;

10:24 <BadBarbarian> &weather 33040

10:24 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 78F / 26C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. Breezy this morning. Highs near 80. North to northeast winds 15 to 20 mph and gusty this morning...then decreasing to 10 to 15 mph during the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 70. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph.; (1 more message)

10:24 <BadBarbarian> &more

10:24 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph.;

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11:08 <sethy> i'ma gonna start saving mai moneh

11:08 <sethy> srsly

11:08 <sethy> and get a data storage boost

11:09 <Romulus> in both cases you can always email AthlonRob Jay...I'm sure he'd respond

11:09 <sethy> 2TB for £600

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11:29 <BadBarbarian> tank you on yet

11:29 <sethy> i'm sethy :D

11:29 <BadBarbarian> opps wrong window lol

11:30 <BadBarbarian> morning sethy

11:30 <sethy> afternoon BadBarbarian :)

11:30 <BadBarbarian> you must be in europe

11:30 <sethy> Ye Olde England :)

11:31 <BadBarbarian> 9:30am here

11:31 <sethy> 4:30 AM britishland time

11:31 <BadBarbarian> pm you mean

11:31 <BadBarbarian> lol

11:32 <sethy> yes D:

11:32 <sethy> i always get them mixed up, i'm use to using military time

11:32 <sethy> just like right and left

11:32 <BadBarbarian> 09:30

11:33 <sethy> 16:32

11:33 <sethy> 3 even

11:33 <BadBarbarian> lol

11:34 <sethy> i might start a paypal donation

11:34 <sethy> thingy

11:34 <sethy> or google ad's

11:34 <BadBarbarian> lol

11:34 <sethy> i plan to save up for a 2TB Data Tank

11:34 <BadBarbarian> everyone else doz

11:34 <sethy> but i'm in college and i need to look after my monies

11:35 <sethy> because i'm not actually 'in' college till the final desicion in november

11:35 <sethy> wait this month....

11:35 <sethy> jesus its gone fast

11:36 <BadBarbarian> there pretty cheap here

11:36 <sethy> its because 96 people signed up for game development and the college doesnt have the right studio's and equiptment to support all

11:36 <sethy> so there cutting down  to like 50 people i think

11:37 <sethy> at the moment i'm in software development but both classes are the same for the 1st year, in the 2nd year game development do OOP and DBA

11:37 <BadBarbarian> i just ordered a new system for myself

11:37 <sethy> specs?

11:38 <BadBarbarian> intel quad q6600 500 gig sata 2 gigs ram top of the line video & hd tv tuener

11:39 <BadBarbarian> 750 watt ps

11:39 <sethy> very nice

11:39 <sethy> water cooled?

11:40 <BadBarbarian> super copper heatsing for now

11:40 <sethy> ahh

11:41 <sethy> my dad still owes me a laptop

11:41 <sethy> and i still have to decide

11:41 <sethy> the only specific specs i'm looking for is Dual-core with Windows XP

11:41 <sethy> no vista s@$& please

11:42 <BadBarbarian> thats a problem lol

11:42 <sethy> exactly

11:42 <sethy> but

11:42 <sethy> i'm hoping to get one that i can downgrade

11:42 <BadBarbarian> put xp x64 on it uses vista drivers

11:42 <sethy> i dont want anything vista

11:43 <sethy> XP or a really nice linux distro

11:44 <sethy> do you think there is a bloodshed dev-c++ instalation for Windows 3.1? because i could do that

11:45 <BadBarbarian> lol 3.1 wont run on a pentium

11:45 <sethy> shame :(

11:45 <BadBarbarian> only amd

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11:47 <sethy> i'm just looking on hewlet packards site

11:48 <sethy> tx1000z Series

11:48 <sethy> shame about the vista

11:50 <BadBarbarian> with the dollar way down this refurb might be nice for you

11:50 <BadBarbarian> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3271970&CatId=2289

11:50 <Romulus> Title: HP 530 Notebook PC - Intel Centrino Core Duo T2050 1.60GHz, 802.11bg Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 120GB HDD, Dual Layer DVD RW, 15.4" WXGA, Windows Vista Business GN805AA#ABA at TigerDirect.com (at www.tigerdirect.com)

11:51 <BadBarbarian> 699.00 dollars

11:52 <BadBarbarian> lol its not a refurb

11:52 <sethy> i was hoping something for like 2.0GHz DC rather 1.6

11:54 <BadBarbarian> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3280303&CatId=3448

11:54 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/18S5> (at www.tigerdirect.com)

11:55 <BadBarbarian> 2.2 and the new core2pro cpu

11:55 <BadBarbarian> but its not cheap

11:56 <BadBarbarian> whats the pound now 2 to for the dollar

11:56 <sethy> http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&a1=Processor&v1=AMD&series_name=tx1000z_series

11:56 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/18S6> (at www.shopping.hp.com)

11:56 <sethy> last i checked

11:56 <Romulus> and tonight i do get_state it says i've reached my quota for the past little time?

11:57 <BadBarbarian> the intel has more number crunching

11:57 <sethy> i'm an AMD Fan personally

11:57 <BadBarbarian> if you are gaming that could be handy

11:57 <BadBarbarian> i am to

11:58 <BadBarbarian> but they have been slaking on the r&d side

11:58 <sethy> 1 GBP = 2.082 USD

11:59 <sethy> &math calc 1153.99/2.082

11:59 <Romulus> sethy: 554.269932757

11:59 <sethy> quite cheap

11:59 <BadBarbarian> the new k8 wont be in desktops for over a year

11:59 * sethy wants octo-core

11:59 <xcamel> back-ish

11:59 <BadBarbarian> in a lappy keep dreaming

12:00 <BadBarbarian> lol

12:00 <sethy> i will

12:00 <xcamel> anyone a kde guru?

12:00 <BadBarbarian> ope

12:00 <BadBarbarian> nope

12:00 <sethy> i've used it

12:00 <xcamel> nutz

12:00 <sethy> but not a guru

12:00 <sethy> ask PovAddict

12:01 <xcamel> he's away

12:01 <PovAddict> why me

12:01 <BadBarbarian> i dont like that one sethy get your self a 14 in screen

12:02 * sethy doesnt like < 16"

12:02 <BadBarbarian> http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&series_name=dv9500z_series&a1=Processor&v1=AMD

12:02 <sethy> makes me feel like i'm in the 60's on 800x600

12:02 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/18S:> (at www.shopping.hp.com)

12:02 <xcamel> oh - any idea how to fix something like this......

12:02 <xcamel> symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev

12:03 <BadBarbarian> lol mine runs at 1280 by 800

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12:03 <xcamel> things went kde-boom after I tried to install googleearth

12:03 <sethy> :o

12:04 <BadBarbarian> ow

12:04 <xcamel> I replaced the libs it's supposed to be looking at..

12:04 <xcamel> no such luck

12:05 <sethy> NVIDIA FTW

12:10 <sethy> i'll show my dad and see what he thinks of the 2

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12:11 <PovAddict> lol

12:11 <PovAddict> File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)

12:11 <BadBarbarian> lol

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12:12 <sethy> Y

12:12 <xcamel> pov?

12:13 <PovAddict> I don't have any desktop linux installation

12:14 <sethy> i do :D

12:14 <Romulus> I guess I only saw the wolf cam is an educational version of the nearest zoo is though

12:14 <sethy> PovAddict, do i have too many hard drives?

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12:14 <xcamel> oh..

12:15 <sethy> :o

12:15 <BadBarbarian> :'(

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12:15 <sethy> :D

12:15 <PovAddict> got a crash

12:15 <BadBarbarian> (H)

12:15 <PovAddict> "unspecified fatal error"

12:15 <PovAddict> sethy: you can never have enough storage/ram/cpu/bandwidth :)

12:16 <sethy> ok so you dont mind me saving up for 2TD Data Tank?

12:16 <sethy> TB even

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12:16 <PovAddict> how much does it cost?

12:16 <xcamel> oh well..

12:16 <sethy> £600

12:17 <PovAddict> I'd say buy big cpu instead

12:20 <BadBarbarian> lol

12:21 <BadBarbarian> sethy look at this one 1/2 that price

12:21 <BadBarbarian> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2353733&CatId=2422

12:21 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/18SQ> (at www.tigerdirect.com)

12:22 <sethy> http://www.freecom.com/ecproduct_detail.asp?ID=3599&CatID=8020&sCatID=1146772&ssCatID=1146773

12:22 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/18SR> (at www.freecom.com)

12:23 <sethy> i wonder who will be the unlucky person to fall on /N4Z1 or /NAZI and lucky to fall on /RAID

12:32 <BadBarbarian> sethy this is the desktop i ordered

12:32 <BadBarbarian> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3322782&CatId=3478

12:32 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/18SW> (at www.tigerdirect.com)

12:34 <sethy> very nice

12:34 <sethy> lovely 8USB Slots

12:34 <BadBarbarian> price is right lol i can live with a refurb

12:35 <BadBarbarian> lol my lappys a refurb its been running well for 5 years

12:36 <BadBarbarian> only thing i had to replace was the dvd-rw i used it up lol

12:36 <BadBarbarian> i have an external burner now

12:37 <BadBarbarian> laptop dvdrws only have so many burns in them

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13:05 <yoyo[RKN]> what does the switch priority_order_create_time for the feeder means?

13:06 <PovAddict> orders by priority

13:06 <yoyo[RKN]> I have not different priorities, so will it send oldest WUs first

13:06 <PovAddict> and within the same priority, orders by the time they were created

13:06 <PovAddict> yes

13:06 <yoyo[RKN]> is the priority something internal of boinc?

13:06 <PovAddict> you can set it when creating workunits

13:07 <yoyo[RKN]> if I do not use it all WUs have the same priority?

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13:07 <PovAddict> yep

13:11 <MTughan> 'lo all

13:20 <MTughan> Great... And being called to fold laundry. >_>

13:29 * freelarry cant remembr anything in the 60's with any sort of display - at least not for consumers

13:31 <freelarry> first consumer comps were tape driven and i only remember them as 80 spaces by 40 lines - maybe 640 by 480 pixel on tv monitor

13:31 <freelarry> comp monitors were mono color

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13:34 <wdsmia> Tape? heck I remember punch cards and no dislplays lol

13:35 <freelarry> ohh you had a mainframe

13:35 <freelarry> a virtual supercomp

13:37 * freelarry first exposure to comp was a radioshack electronic lab with only led like lights for output

13:38 <freelarry> binary counter

13:38 <wdsmia> bread board computing

13:39 <freelarry> yup

13:41 <freelarry> and without the ic chips - discrete components for transistors etc

13:43 * wdsmia remembers watching someone plug a electrolitic in backwards on a bread board

13:44 <wdsmia> mission control we have lift-off lol

13:44 <PovAddict> explode?

13:45 <freelarry> cap top blow offs

13:46 <freelarry> or misreading specs and putting 50vdc cap onto 115vac bus

13:46 <PovAddict> eek

13:46 <wdsmia> that will let the smoke out

13:47 <freelarry> big time

13:47 <Romulus> instead of eating an apple a day where being able to get work in windows - should take insult to that directory and run one at the time

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14:59 <MTughan> Back... And seems I missed an interesting conversation about exploding electrical parts...

14:59 <PovAddict> I never exploded one

15:00 <PovAddict> would be fun

15:00 <MTughan> No, but others did.

15:00 * PovAddict goes plug an electrolitic into 220v

15:00 <MTughan> Hehe... I burned out a LED about a year ago by hooking it up to a 9V.

15:00 <PovAddict> lol

15:00 <PovAddict> LEDs don't survive without a resistor

15:00 <MTughan> Gave off an orange glow (it was a blue LED), and I disconnected it. Then it wouldn't do anything and stuck like hell. So I threw it out.

15:01 <MTughan> s/stuck/stunk/

15:01 <PovAddict> lol

15:01 <MTughan> Never dealt with 120V. Never even tried.

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15:26 <xcamel> re-hi

15:28 <freelarry> MTughan 120vac 220 vac and 440vac have all had thier go at killing me so i leave them alone as much as possible anymore

15:29 <freelarry> howdy jay

15:29 * freelarry thinks 60Hz hurt much worse than 400Hz power

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15:30 <xcamel> 'lo Larry

15:32 <xcamel> well... getting packed up - my carry on weighs like 50 lbs

15:34 <freelarry> uggh - where you going to now?

15:34 * freelarry last flight to anywhere only had 15 lbs of luggage

15:35 * freelarry last car trip anywhere only had 20 lbs of luggage

15:36 <Romulus> No - grabbed the domain is localhost, because it use 99%

15:36 <freelarry> humm Romulus must be hungry

15:41 <xcamel> back down to maxico for a couple weeks

15:41 <xcamel> er... mexico

15:41 <xcamel> even

15:41 <freelarry> lol was invisioning a certain commercial for female products

15:42 <freelarry> enjoy the vacation

15:51 <xcamel> ha-ha-ha

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16:10 <xcamel> should be good R&R

16:16 <xcamel> at least the weather looks like it'll be nice

16:25 <xcamel> &weather La Paz, Mexico

16:25 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 84°F / 29°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 1:44 PM MST; Clear. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Clear. Low:66 F. / 19 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:93 F. / 34 C.; Clear. Low:66 F. / 19 C.; Clear. High:93 F. / 34 C.; Clear. Low:64 F. / 18 C.;

16:26 <xcamel> close enough

16:26 <xcamel> a bit humid though

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16:29 <clustermagnet> hey guys... question, trying to push boinc client to 20 linux boxen... has that improved?

16:30 <PovAddict> improved?

16:30 <PovAddict> what did you find "bad" before?

16:30 <clustermagnet> what i mean is this... i would love to have one xml file i can just scp up to the clients, and they will log into my projects

16:30 <clustermagnet> PovAddict: i've spoken to you before :)

16:30 <clustermagnet> i have 20 linux boxes ready for a boinc client, actually boinc clients are installed

16:30 <clustermagnet> just the CLI versions of such

16:30 <PovAddict> clients already installed? have they ever run?

16:31 <clustermagnet> can i just toss a file into their BOINC directories and run the clients?

16:31 <clustermagnet> PovAddict: clients never ran

16:31 <clustermagnet> clean installs

16:31 <PovAddict> hmm ever tried project_init.xml?

16:32 <clustermagnet> nope

16:32 <yoyo[RKN]> I think you have only to copy the account*.xml file from one client to all other and they attached

16:32 <PovAddict> well, because reading carefully, it looks like it's used when the *graphical manager* runs, so that's probably not what you want

16:32 <Romulus> blamed last years' miscue on "a late-developing El Nino"

16:32 <clustermagnet> and that will pickup CPU/RAM settings if they change from host to host?

16:32 <PovAddict> you could try copying the account files, yeah

16:33 <clustermagnet> PovAddict: so which files would that be

16:33 <clustermagnet> all the .xml files after running a gui manager?

16:33 <PovAddict> no

16:33 <PovAddict> account_*.xml

16:33 <PovAddict> it's one per project

16:33 <clustermagnet> awesome :)

16:33 <clustermagnet> thanks!

16:34 <clustermagnet> lets see :)

16:36 <clustermagnet> PovAddict: what do you suggest is the best way to run run_client in the background?

16:36 <clustermagnet> ./run_client & and walk away?

16:36 <PovAddict> ./run_client --daemon

16:36 <clustermagnet> awesome

16:36 <clustermagnet> xoxo

16:37 <xcamel> lol

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17:01 <clustermagnet> hey guys, can i get BAM to automatically come with all those hosts i punch out?

17:02 <clustermagnet> it would be nice to do that :)

17:02 <PovAddict> yeah

17:02 <clustermagnet> do i just add another .xml file

17:02 <clustermagnet> i've added to add acct_*.xml files but that didnt work

17:02 <PovAddict> acct_mgr_*.xml files

17:02 <PovAddict> hmm

17:03 <yoyo[RKN]> after adding account*xml file shou should restart the boinc client

17:03 <PovAddict> ok then I guess not by copying files

17:03 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: it hasn't ever started yet

17:04 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: did you set up remote GUI RPC? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/RpcAuth

17:04 <Romulus> Title: RpcAuth - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

17:04 <clustermagnet> nope

17:05 <MTughan> If it's a Linux host, and you do have the GUI installed, just run the CLI. Can't handle both.

17:05 <MTughan> For GUI RPC, that is.

17:05 <PovAddict> MTughan: boinc can handle any amount of GUI RPC connections

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17:06 <PovAddict> and anyway, those linux hosts won't run the manager

17:06 <clustermagnet> yep

17:06 <MTughan> PovAddict: Remember my trouble??

17:06 <PovAddict> the ones clustermagnet is setting up

17:06 <PovAddict> MTughan: I run boinc_cmd to automate stuff without closing the manager

17:06 <clustermagnet> so which files do i need to push to all my clients :)

17:06 <PovAddict> MTughan: I once started three managers all on localhost to be able to see multiple tabs at the same time :P

17:06 <clustermagnet> what im doing is this, running the gui manager on my workstation

17:06 <MTughan> It wouldn't run GUI RPC, even with all communication cleared. Just ran the client, and connects without problem.

17:07 <clustermagnet> its creating all the necessary files, than i push the necessary .xml files to remote client boinc installs

17:07 <clustermagnet> then fire up the client

17:07 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: create a gui_rpc_auth.cfg file containing the password you want to use, and a remote_hosts.cfg containing the IP of your workstation

17:08 <PovAddict> copy both files to the clients and start 'em, then you can do many automated operations on all clients at the same time from your workstation

17:08 <MTughan> Not at the same time.

17:08 <clustermagnet> i want them to be added to BAM

17:08 <clustermagnet> is that what i do?

17:08 <PovAddict> MTughan:  well, sequentially; still automated

17:09 <clustermagnet> ill upload gui_rpm_auth.cfg now

17:09 <MTughan> True.

17:09 <PovAddict> and you could do it at the same time if you want to; not like it matters with LAN-speed bandwidth

17:10 <clustermagnet> running

17:10 <clustermagnet> lets see if it gets out to BAM this time

17:10 <PovAddict> got clients running?

17:11 <clustermagnet> well, ya, thats not a problem

17:11 <clustermagnet> clients start up just fine

17:11 <PovAddict> I mean restarted after copying those files

17:11 <clustermagnet> your account*.xml trick worked as well

17:11 <clustermagnet> for sure, i have a script to wipe and reinstall client

17:12 <PovAddict> how are you checking if the clients attached fine and stuff?

17:12 <xcamel> pov - is there a tool to use to check libs and their dependencies?

17:12 <PovAddict> xcamel: CFL mentioned nm

17:13 <xcamel> didn't seem to work..

17:13 <yoyo[RKN]> xcamel : ldd

17:13 <clustermagnet> no guys, no BAM

17:13 <clustermagnet> :(

17:13 <clustermagnet> which other file should i push to the client

17:13 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: on your workstation's manager, go to Advanced/Select computer

17:13 <MTughan> I seem to regret running nm on libjpeg now...

17:13 <clustermagnet> nonono

17:13 <clustermagnet> cant do that, they are in different world location

17:14 <clustermagnet> dont want that

17:14 <PovAddict> huh?

17:14 <clustermagnet> i want my clients(other linux boxen) to connect to bam

17:14 <MTughan> They won't connect to BAM, BAM'll connect to them.

17:14 <PovAddict> no, clients never allow incoming connection

17:14 <clustermagnet> really?

17:14 <clustermagnet> wait

17:14 <MTughan> Uh...

17:15 <PovAddict> MTughan: client contacts BAM every few hours

17:15 <MTughan> Okay, I'll drop out of it.

17:15 <MTughan> Ah.

17:15 <clustermagnet> so in BAM i need to setup a new host?

17:15 <clustermagnet> no, i dont

17:15 <xcamel> what would I liik for using ldd?

17:16 <MTughan> xcamel: Your system doesn't have nm?

17:16 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: on your workstation's manager, go to Advanced/Select computer, enter the IP of one of the clients, and the password you put in gui_rpc_auth; see if that connects

17:16 <xcamel> it does, but how to work it..

17:16 <MTughan> nm (library file)

17:16 <MTughan> I did "nm libjpeg.dylib" and it found the dependencies on libjpeg.dylib.

17:17 <xcamel> ok

17:17 <clustermagnet> guys, there are too many firewalls

17:17 <clustermagnet> thats why i want this independent from my workstation

17:17 <MTughan> If you can, tell them to let 31415 through.

17:17 <clustermagnet> no, they wont

17:17 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: in theory you could do it via a ssh tunnel, but the manager doesn't allow entering a different port...

17:18 <clustermagnet> bah

17:18 <yoyo[RKN]> run on each boinc client boinc_cmd  --acct_mgr_rpc url name password

17:18 <clustermagnet> i dont understand

17:18 <xcamel> showing no symbols

17:18 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: how are you accessing the clients? ssh?

17:18 <MTughan> xcamel: Really?

17:18 <clustermagnet> why cant i just copy some .xml file

17:18 <clustermagnet> yes

17:18 <xcamel> really.

17:18 <MTughan> clustermagnet: XML files aren't the answer to everything.

17:18 <clustermagnet> why cant i copy a .xml file to the remote client and have it do the right work

17:18 <xcamel> nothing

17:19 <clustermagnet> ok, better explanation... i sit at a remote office... i have a few blades doing nothing... i want them to run boinc and connect to BAM

17:19 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: stuff like this is inside client_state.xml, but you CANT copy that, because it also has a lot of info that must be per-client

17:19 <clustermagnet> mkay...

17:19 <PovAddict> and even things like the host specs

17:20 <PovAddict> you're connecting via ssh to a single machine on the inner side of the firewall, and then contacting the other hosts from there, right?

17:20 <yoyo[RKN]> can you run boinc_cmd on each client, clustermagnet?

17:20 <clustermagnet> yes

17:20 <clustermagnet> yoyo[RKN]: yes

17:20 <clustermagnet> ill do that :)

17:20 <clustermagnet> one sec

17:20 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: boinc_cmd lets you attach BAM and lots of other things, see ./boinc_cmd --help

17:21 <clustermagnet> thanks!

17:21 <yoyo[RKN]> than you can attach each client with boinc_cmd  --acct_mgr_rpc url name password

17:23 <xcamel> none showing any errors either

17:23 <yoyo[RKN]> xcamel : did you try ldd?

17:23 <xcamel> crappage.

17:23 <xcamel> yes

17:23 <xcamel> shows all the links as fine

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17:24 <xcamel> undefined symbol: _ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev

17:25 <xcamel> wherever the hell that comes from..

17:25 <MTughan> Something to do with reading XML, in as a DOM.

17:25 <xcamel> looks like it

17:25 <PovAddict> I think it was CFL who said it was the XML parser from Qt

17:25 <MTughan> DomDocument reminds me of PHP, but surely that can't be it.

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17:26 <PovAddict> hmm or not

17:26 <PovAddict> oh yeah... it's not DomDocument

17:26 <PovAddict> the "name mangling" makes it confusing... it's QDomDocument

17:27 <xcamel> drpm Qt?

17:27 <xcamel> er from QT?

17:27 <PovAddict> yeah

17:27 <MTughan> Huh...

17:27 <PovAddict> so only _ZN12 is the name mangling prefix, the Q is part of the name

17:27 <clustermagnet> unrecognized command --acct_mgr_rpc

17:27 <clustermagnet> but its right in --help/.... :)

17:27 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: BOINC version?

17:27 <clustermagnet> wtf

17:27 <MTughan> What version of the client?

17:28 <clustermagnet> boinc_5.10.21_i686-pc-linux-gnu

17:28 <MTughan> That's the latest...

17:28 <PovAddict> use --join_acct_mgr (same arguments)

17:28 <MTughan> Wait, it isn't.

17:29 <clustermagnet> so which commmand do i run

17:29 <clustermagnet> its the latest client as i see it

17:29 <PovAddict> yeah, the help text is wrong

17:29 <PovAddict> run the same but with join_acct_mgr instead of acct_mgr_rpc

17:30 <clustermagnet> PovAddict: sex!  it worked :)

17:30 <clustermagnet> thanks!!!!!!!

17:32 <PovAddict> FINALLY got my Firefox user stylesheet to work

17:33 <PovAddict> I forgot the order those properties take effect... I was lacking "!important"

17:35 <clustermagnet> guys, how does boinc know if the comp is in use?

17:36 <PovAddict> on Windows, it checks for mouse and keyboard

17:36 <clustermagnet> these clients i just deployed are apache boxen... barely used

17:36 <clustermagnet> linux ;)

17:36 <PovAddict> on Linux, I think "it doesn't"

17:36 <clustermagnet> awesome :D

17:36 <PovAddict> but if it did, it would use mouse/keyboard too

17:36 <clustermagnet> if it starts messing ill give it different priority

17:36 <PovAddict> anyway, why don't you just disable "suspend if computer in use"?

17:37 <PovAddict> what do you mean with priority? the nice value?

17:37 <clustermagnet> PovAddict: yep

17:38 <PovAddict> it's already at the lowest it can get

17:38 <clustermagnet> just renice run_client

17:38 <clustermagnet> doh

17:41 <quail> morning all

17:41 <xcamel> reinstalling kdelibs

17:41 <Romulus> he says you're going to be any more

17:52 <xcamel> might have found them in qt 3.3.8

17:53 <xcamel> grrrr...

18:05 <xcamel> that didn't work either..

18:07 <quail> plink 202.112.84.61 (math.bnu.edu.cn)

18:08 <quail> plink 195.146.242.121 (121.242.146.195.static.adsl.abo.nordnet.fr)

18:14 <clustermagnet> guys, question :)

18:14 <clustermagnet> the boinc stats... lots of people have lots of points

18:14 <clustermagnet> im sure its not unheard of to have hundreds of boinc machines per guy, ya?

18:15 <PovAddict> ask xcamel or freelarry or wdsmia for their stats...

18:15 <clustermagnet> lol

18:15 <xcamel> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_13409.gif

18:15 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/113E> (at www.boincstats.com)

18:16 <xcamel> a couple million more or less..

18:16 <clustermagnet> thats nuts :)

18:16 <xcamel> :-)

18:16 <clustermagnet> awesome :)

18:16 <clustermagnet> all tux boxen?

18:16 <xcamel> half and half

18:16 <clustermagnet> or powned windows machines

18:16 <clustermagnet> or do you just bang boinc everywhere you go?

18:16 <xcamel> not as many as I had going a couple years ago..

18:17 <xcamel> 10 mostly dedicated

18:17 <xcamel> had 24 at one time

18:17 <clustermagnet> 10 machines?

18:17 <xcamel> most dual or quad core

18:18 <clustermagnet> 10 machines with good cpus, ya?

18:18 <xcamel> or multi-cpu smp machines

18:18 <clustermagnet> ok, so if i just banged 2 blade chasis... thats 40 blades

18:18 <clustermagnet> im doing ok?

18:18 <xcamel> more than OK

18:18 <clustermagnet> ya? cool :)

18:19 <clustermagnet> hope i get to help the frigin world

18:19 <clustermagnet> so the BOINC world position

18:19 <clustermagnet> you want that number to go down :) ya?

18:19 <xcamel> 1 instance per cpu...

18:20 <clustermagnet> whats 1 instance per cpu?

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18:20 <xcamel> 1 boinc per core

18:20 <clustermagnet> you are saying that if i have a dual amd machine, i shoudl start run_client --daemon twice?

18:20 <xcamel> but multiple projects

18:20 <xcamel> no - it will find both of them

18:20 <xcamel> or all of them 1/2/4/8 etc..

18:21 <clustermagnet> xcamel: plz explain :)

18:21 <xcamel> run boinc once ( run_client --daemon) it will find all the cores available

18:22 <clustermagnet> xcamel: got ya :)

18:22 <xcamel> if you config it to use them

18:22 <clustermagnet> well, and i have 4 projects in the BAM profile

18:22 * xcamel hates BAM

18:22 <clustermagnet> what should i use?

18:22 <xcamel> I dont trust it

18:22 <clustermagnet> dont trust it with?

18:23 <xcamel> it deletes projects on you if you're not careful

18:23 <PovAddict> clustermagnet: I use: nothing; but I have easy physical access to all the computers I run boinc on (two computers)

18:23 <clustermagnet> got ya :)

18:23 <xcamel> ditto above..

18:23 <PovAddict> so I don't quite have a need for it

18:23 <clustermagnet> whats the best way to check if boinc is seeing all my cores?

18:23 <clustermagnet> or configured to check anyways

18:23 <clustermagnet> it ran a cpu check each time...

18:23 <xcamel> if you can ssh to all of the machines, then you don't need BAM

18:24 <clustermagnet> yes i can, but bam is cute

18:24 <clustermagnet> at least for now...

18:24 <xcamel> go to the project website(s) and configure it to run using the maximum number of cores you have on the largest machine

18:25 <xcamel> so if the most is 8, set max cpus=8

18:25 <clustermagnet> awesome

18:25 <clustermagnet> thanks!

18:25 <xcamel> np

18:25 <PovAddict> I set mine to 16 "just in case" :P

18:25 <PovAddict> even though the most I have is a dualcore

18:26 <xcamel> lol - been running boinc since clinton was prez... scary thought

18:26 <PovAddict> lol

18:26 <clustermagnet> heh

18:26 <clustermagnet> alright ppl, have fun

18:26 <clustermagnet> ill see if the stats change :D

18:26 <xcamel> laterz

18:26 <clustermagnet> be good!

18:26 <clustermagnet> thanks for all your generous help btw

18:26 <xcamel> we try harder.

18:27 <clustermagnet> so can you write any of this off on taxes?

18:27 <clustermagnet> any financial benefit, other than the personal satisfaction

18:27 <PovAddict> you aren't paying them, so no

18:27 <clustermagnet> which i guess is great as well

18:27 <clustermagnet> paying who

18:28 <clustermagnet> oh, so this cant be like a credit for being generous type thing

18:28 <clustermagnet> got ya

18:28 <clustermagnet> alright, its all good

18:28 <clustermagnet> good night

18:28 <clustermagnet> :)

18:28 <PovAddict> if you donate money to SETI, it's tax-deductible; but you won't get anything like that by donating CPU time :)

18:28 <clustermagnet> ahahahahahhaha

18:28 <clustermagnet> just checked my hosts

18:29 <clustermagnet> my ex-girlfriends comp still running boinc

18:29 <clustermagnet> bitch ass, thats what i thought

18:29 <clustermagnet> at least she'll pay the world back, ill never see my money, but its good for the society,

18:29 <clustermagnet> women are a virus

18:29 <clustermagnet> alright, im out!

18:31 <PovAddict> heh

18:31 <PovAddict> SETI "donation history" page did a division by zero

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18:44 <PovAddict> &ping

18:44 <Romulus> pong

18:46 <xcamel> any tools out there similar to strace

18:46 <xcamel> ?

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19:16 <xcamel> oops..

19:34 <xcamel> all went poof...

19:53 <xcamel> &weather 12074

19:53 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 42.1F / 5.6C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers. Lows in the mid 30s. Light and variable winds.; Monday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday Night - Showers. Lows around 40. South winds 10 to 15 mph. (1 more message)

19:53 <xcamel> *more

19:54 <xcamel> &more

19:54 <Romulus> xcamel: Chance of rain 90 percent.;

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20:21 <PovAddict> whoa 61 spam messages on my inbox

20:26 <xcamel> 1-800-spam-kill

20:26 <PovAddict> a bunch come from an email alias so I can just disable it

20:27 <PovAddict> I usually give out whatevertheheck at povaddict addresses (a wildcard alias takes that to my real account), if I get spam from one of them, I can block it alone

20:27 <xcamel> sapmassassin cut mine down to about zero.

20:27 <PovAddict> oops - actually this is 61 spam messages correctly filtered

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20:50 <PovAddict> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-jPHuYlyls

20:50 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Clientelismo de lo peor (at www.youtube.com)

20:55 <xcamel> ouch >> Executive Jet Crashes Into Brazilian Neighborhood, 8 Dead (Sao Paolo)

21:04 <xcamel> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307980,00.html

21:04 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/18Wb> (at www.foxnews.com)

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21:52 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

21:52 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 50F / 10C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly clear. Low around 40. West wind 10 to 15 mph.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Windy...cooler. High in the upper 40s. Northwest wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 40 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Colder. Low in the mid 20s. (1 more message)

21:52 <wdsmia> &more

21:52 <Romulus> wdsmia: Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.;

21:53 <xcamel> kinda warm...

21:54 <MTughan> lol

21:54 <wdsmia> It wont be tomarrow Brrr

21:56 <xcamel> will be where I'm going...

21:57 <wdsmia> dont take this the wrong way.... but I hope it rains for 2 weeks straight there :P

21:58 <xcamel> :P~~~

21:58 <MTughan>

21:58 <xcamel> well.. catch you all when I get back..

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21:58 <wdsmia> have fun

21:58 <MTughan>     

21:58 <MTughan> This is awesome...

22:05 <PovAddict> "I'm just tired of the government messing with the clocks. I think it's some conspiracy to keep us unbalanced so that we're messin' with daily life while they steal our souls."

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