IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2007-11-07

00:08 <MTughan_> And off to bed for me...

00:09 <quail> &nn MTughan_

00:09 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

00:09 <MTughan_> Thanks quail!

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03:52 <mweltin> anyone here?

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04:54 * CoderForLife hates mornings

04:55 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 39.9F / 4.4C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025.3hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. West winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 30. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Highs around 50. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

05:00 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

05:08 * CoderForLife drags back

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05:47 <CoderForLife> offen meen to verken - yah

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07:09 <MTughan_> CoderForLife: Still there?

07:19 <MTughan_> School...

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08:42 <BadBarbarian> Morning Everyone

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09:14 <quail> hiya BadBarbarian

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09:43 <BiteAbleKat> BANGALORE, India (Reuters) - Doctors in India have successfully operated on a 2-year-old girl born with four arms, four legs and extra internal organs, doctors said on Wednesday.

09:43 <PovAddict> whoa

09:43 <PovAddict> I heard about that girl

09:44 <PovAddict> it's amazing they managed to "fix" her...

09:44 <PovAddict> extra internal organs? how the hell do they operate that?

09:44 <BiteAbleKat> 30 doctors worked on her

09:45 <BiteAbleKat> they removed what was essentially her headless twin joined at the pelvis

09:46 <BiteAbleKat> the circus wanted to buy her from her parents

09:47 <PovAddict> o_O

09:47 <PovAddict> I'm not sure she would live a lot longer with the extra internal organs too

09:57 <sethy> but if you had 4 arms

09:57 <sethy> you can type on 2 keyboards at once

09:57 <PovAddict> ¬¬

09:57 <sethy> it would be freakily awesome, no?

09:58 <sethy> does it say what this 'exctra internal organ' was?

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10:24 <quail> imagine how fast you could type on the one, but you prob get finger tied

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11:06 <PovAddict> weird stuff with BOINC on OS X Leopardp

11:06 <PovAddict> s/p$//

11:07 <BadBarbarian> morning everyone

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11:15 <quail> hiya BadBarbarian

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13:18 <zombie67> PovAddcit:  you there?

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16:34 <mweltin> PovAddict: I need some serious geek help, I have a dir I can't delete.  Everything just hangs when I enter the dir.  rm -rf doesn't help, I can't even list the contents of the dir.  any suggestions?

16:34 <PovAddict> what dir? o_O

16:34 <PovAddict> is it a normal directory or mounted in some fancy way, like with FUSE?

16:35 <mweltin> no

16:35 <mweltin> just a run of the mill dir.

16:35 <PovAddict> any weird name?

16:35 <mweltin> nothing special, I assume it may have a circular reference, but I can't be sure.

16:35 <mweltin> no weird names that I know of.

16:36 <PovAddict> I once had a bug on my validator while testing it, didn't null-terminate a string, so I got a file with weird binary characters on its name

16:36 <PovAddict> was "fun" to delete

16:36 <PovAddict> I think it had a newline (on the name!) too

16:36 <mweltin> it was the holding spot for my workunits.

16:36 <PovAddict> everything *hangs*?

16:36 <PovAddict> listing the contents makes it hang, for example?

16:36 <mweltin> yes,

16:37 <PovAddict> bah, I was going to suggest something... are you on a laptop?

16:37 <mweltin> or ls paths/11Se<tab> also

16:37 <mweltin> yes

16:37 <mweltin> the t40

16:37 <PovAddict> I guess you have no HDD activity led then...

16:37 <mweltin> I'm trying to set up svn

16:37 <mweltin> yes I have one

16:38 <PovAddict> if accessing the directory causes the led to stay lit while it's "hanged", it could be a bad sector...

16:38 <yoyo[RKN]> can you display it with echo *

16:38 <mweltin> it is on

16:38 <mweltin> but even when I kill the process that its working on the HDD LED stays on.

16:39 <PovAddict> if it *stays* lit during the hang (not even blinking), it's surely a bad sector... the hard disk by itself, or at least the kernel, is trying hard to read the sector and not getting correct results

16:39 <mweltin> I think that is the default for it.  It only blinks when saving big files or such.

16:39 <PovAddict> ah...

16:39 <PovAddict> hmm

16:40 <yoyo[RKN]> mweltin : can you delete it with rmdir paths/11S*

16:41 <mweltin> have not tried, but ls paths/11S<tab> hangs so I think that will too, but I'll try it.

16:41 <PovAddict> do a disk check...

16:42 <mweltin> you mean a file system check?

16:42 <PovAddict> it would be better if you could do something more low-level

16:43 <PovAddict> I know a really good low-level disk check and recovery program, but it's 89 usd

16:44 * freelarry found a couple of disks while cleaning out the old room - anyone want a copy of msdos 5.0 or 6.0 upgrade?

16:44 <PovAddict> freelarry: I have a few Win3.1 floppies

16:44 <mweltin> PovAddict: I'm looking through my man pages for something useful.

16:44 <PovAddict> only work if you already have DOS

16:44 <mweltin> PovAddict: you would (win 3.1)

16:45 <freelarry> lol yeah i remeber

16:45 <PovAddict> I also have DOS floppies, but the last disk is missing, so I can't install it

16:45 <PovAddict> it would be cool to try win3.1... lol

16:45 <freelarry> looks at machines and realizes he doesn't have a 5.25 drive on any

16:45 <PovAddict> o_O

16:46 <PovAddict> I don't have any 5.25 disk around...

16:46 <freelarry> will put on the next build

16:46 <PovAddict> lol!

16:46 <freelarry> lol well when i get a drive i can copy - if disk haven't went bad with time

16:46 <PovAddict> what's the specs of your new build?

16:47 <PovAddict> roughly

16:47 <PovAddict> quad?

16:47 <freelarry> cpu is e6750 c2d 4 gig memory haven't got the drives or video yet

16:47 <freelarry> dual

16:47 <PovAddict> would be interesting to see..

16:47 <PovAddict> dualcore with 4gig RAM and a 5 1/4" drive

16:47 <freelarry> and guess i had better put a 3.5 in to

16:48 <freelarry> found a 9 way card reader in closet that will go in to

16:48 <PovAddict> 9 way??

16:48 <freelarry> 9 types of cards

16:48 <PovAddict> ...

16:48 <freelarry> plus usb

16:49 <PovAddict> why do they keep inventing new incompatible types of cards? sigh

16:49 <freelarry> 4 slots yeah have seen 15 way readers now

16:49 <mweltin> I passed the -v switch to rm, looks like there is just a huge amount of files in there.

16:50 <mweltin> it wasn't hanging at all.

16:50 <freelarry> and now you also have to have addapters for some of the new ones to work on equipment as they are so small

16:50 <PovAddict> ah so not hanging, just taking forever :)

16:50 <PovAddict> strange that ls "hanged" too...

16:50 <mweltin> I think I ran my work generator without a stopping condition.

16:50 <PovAddict> freelarry: seen those,

16:50 <Romulus> <> (at

16:51 <mweltin> glad I didnt' check that into subversion.

16:51 <PovAddict> mweltin: don't whine when your disk gets full!

16:51 <mweltin> LOL

16:51 <freelarry> yah PovAddict adapters for adapters

16:51 <mweltin> ok

16:51 <freelarry> guess i had better run and get my chores done

16:51 <mweltin> I'll try not to.

16:52 <mweltin> that reminds me PovAddict the code base for the windows and linux apps are the same, but the windows app takes a LOT longer.  Does that sound like a complier issue to you?

16:53 <PovAddict> what compiler are you using?

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16:53 <PovAddict> microshaft visual C?

16:53 <mweltin> g++ on linux, and MSVS 2008 beta.

16:54 <mweltin> microshaft

16:54 <zombie_67> PovAddict, why did you aske me about QT earlier?

16:54 <mweltin> I downloaded cygwin last night on to an external dive.  I was going to give that a try.

16:54 <PovAddict> me?

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16:55 <PovAddict> mweltin: if you use cygwin, you have to distribute cygwin1.dll too, as that's where the unix emulation code is

16:55 <PovAddict> and since that emulation code is GPL, and you're linking against it, your app must be GPL

16:56 <mweltin> I'm fine with that

16:56 <mweltin> can I link it staticly?

16:56 <PovAddict> I'm not sure

16:57 <mweltin> would a different version of MSVS be better?

16:57 <PovAddict> I used MinGW

16:57 <PovAddict> a gcc port that makes native Windows apps (unlike cygwin which emulates Unix)

16:58 <mweltin> mingw comes with cygwin now.

16:58 <PovAddict> not the other way round?

16:58 <PovAddict> btw, I'm testing something with your app...

16:58 <PovAddict> can you give me a link to an input file?

16:59 <Romulus> but he was convinced there had to read a book from start to summer on the various issues

16:59 <PovAddict> I can't see the directory contents on /download/*

16:59 <mweltin> I hate windows, well let me rephrase that, I just don't get it so its hard to use.

16:59 <mweltin> sure

17:01 <mweltin> what is that clipboard site?

17:01 <PovAddict>

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17:02 <mweltin>

17:02 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

17:02 <PovAddict> and the logical filename is 'in'?

17:02 <mweltin> yes

17:03 <zombie_67> POV:  is there some bug in the latest QT I should be aware of?

17:04 <PovAddict> "A few weeks ago, as some of you may have noticed, the latest QuickTime minor update caused Rosetta to stop working. The fix? You had to uninstall Java 6. OK, when QuickTime breaks Rosetta and you fix it by removing Java, you know something's broken in Cupertino."

17:05 <zombie_67> Hmmmm, I don't think Java 6 is available for OSX yet.

17:06 <zombie_67> Where was that quote posted?

17:06 <PovAddict> on a blog

17:07 <zombie_67> I see nothing on Rosetta news.

17:07 <PovAddict> whining about lack of QA

17:07 <zombie_67> Ah!

17:07 <PovAddict> ...not Rosetta@Home

17:07 <PovAddict> the intel-ppc emulator thing

17:07 <zombie_67> Probably the PPC rosetta

17:07 <zombie_67> okay, so no worries then.

17:07 <PovAddict> geez

17:07 <PovAddict> my MinGW install dir has 3600 files

17:08 <zombie_67> I don't use rosetta for anything.

17:08 <PovAddict> seems I had been installing libraries like mad :P

17:08 <PovAddict> zombie67: are there any BOINC projects with OS X PPC only?

17:08 <zombie_67> milky way just sent out some new work

17:08 <PovAddict> I'm still busy SIMAPing

17:08 <zombie_67> yes, WEP is linux and OSX/PPC only

17:09 <PovAddict> then *there* you'd use rosetta :P

17:09 <zombie_67> no, I just don't attach my intle macs

17:09 <PovAddict> heh

17:09 <zombie_67> I have 4 PPC macs that crunch that one.

17:09 <zombie_67> ;)

17:09 <desti_T2>

17:09 <PovAddict> any idea how much slower it is?

17:09 <Romulus> Title: JAXA | KAGUYA (SELENE) World's First Image Taking of the Moon by HDTV (at

17:09 <Romulus> if i dont but i keep getting one for Dorothy and I, like no saturday night

17:10 <zombie_67> I have never used rosetta to crunch.

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17:14 <PovAddict> mweltin: I'll try copying my mingw dir from the other computer

17:14 <PovAddict> send me the source and I'll try compiling here

17:16 <mweltin> as soon as the paths dir is empty my svn respository should be up and going.

17:16 <PovAddict> well it's 11mbps Wi-Fi so I'll take a while to copy all 200MB of the mingw dir anyway :P

17:16 <mweltin> I could email you the code if you wish, the paths dir has a way to go I think.

17:16 <PovAddict> let's see who finishes first :P

17:17 <mweltin> done and done

17:17 <mweltin> not with the rm though

17:17 <PovAddict> 1300 files remaining, although it's lots of small files so going fast

17:17 <PovAddict> 1000

17:18 <PovAddict> 900

17:18 <mweltin> looks like you are going to win

17:18 <PovAddict> heh

17:18 <PovAddict> well, then I have to download boinc api, get my custom makefiles...

17:19 <mweltin> I still think you will win

17:20 <mweltin> its a good possibility I have well over 1000 files to delete.

17:20 <mweltin> rm is still running

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17:27 <CoderForLife> hellody

17:28 <CoderForLife> plink

17:28 <CoderForLife> bad actor trying to hack my web site looking for Exchange

17:28 <mweltin> PovAddict: I just got a call from someone that needs help on their boat.

17:29 <mweltin> something about a weather fax machine.

17:29 <PovAddict> still downloading boinc code

17:29 <mweltin> I need the money so I'll get back as soon as possible and hit you up with my source code.

17:29 <PovAddict> I blame it on the binaries on svn

17:29 <PovAddict> ok

17:29 <mweltin> thanks

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17:30 <PovAddict> CoderForLife:

17:30 <Romulus> Title: Test (at

17:30 <PovAddict> playing around with servlets

17:32 <CoderForLife> looking

17:32 <CoderForLife> hmm - servlet?

17:33 <CoderForLife> ah

17:33 <CoderForLife> you said as much

17:33 <CoderForLife> I thought it was a servlet by the way the URL looked

17:34 <PovAddict> and

17:34 <PovAddict>

17:34 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

17:34 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

17:34 <PovAddict> shush bot

17:36 <CoderForLife> yes - nice, clean, straightforward

17:36 <PovAddict> not exactly

17:36 <PovAddict> but ok :P

17:36 <CoderForLife> shush Pov

17:36 <CoderForLife> =)

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17:37 <PovAddict> feels a bit long for what it does... I should put the headers (<html>...) in a method

17:37 <CoderForLife> works for me

17:38 <CoderForLife> ouch - stock market fall down go boom today

17:38 <CoderForLife> space shuttle fall down, and not go boom

17:38 <CoderForLife> er, I guess a sonic boom

17:38 <PovAddict> note I'm escaping the HTML :) apache commons seems to give some interesting tools

17:38 <CoderForLife> indeed

17:39 <PovAddict> some are old... I see it has a NestedException, which isn't needed anymore (Java's throwables support "cause" now)

17:40 <CoderForLife> assuming you get to work with a later version

17:41 <PovAddict> when were those added anyway?

17:41 <CoderForLife> not sure

17:41 <CoderForLife> ph9ne ringing

17:41 <PovAddict> 1.4 it seems

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17:51 <PovAddict> boinc api compiled

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17:52 * CoderForLife reads the docs on his new home phone system

17:53 <CoderForLife> has "slow talk" feature - slows down the person talking on the other side

17:53 <PovAddict> o.o

17:53 * CoderForLife reads how to hook up the 60000 volt cables

17:54 <CoderForLife> j/k

17:54 <CoderForLife> the phone is programmable

17:55 <PovAddict> jme?

17:55 <CoderForLife> uses "try-cradle" construct

17:56 <CoderForLife> limited to KVM - keypad virtual machine

17:57 <CoderForLife> talking Caller ID

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17:57 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:58 <CoderForLife> well - I'm going to go downstairs to the family room with the laptop and jump on my new wireless access

17:58 <CoderForLife> I may pop back in later

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18:08 <PovAddict> omg thunder /o\

18:08 <BadBarbarian> O.o

19:14 <sethy> PovAddict, can you still hear jamies ass?

19:15 <sethy> i.e. thunder

19:15 <PovAddict> wtf

19:15 <sethy> so many times have i seen error code 80072745

19:15 <sethy> i should be asleep....

19:17 <sethy> need to restart router

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19:21 <MTughan> 'lo all

19:21 <sethiroth66> lo

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19:26 <ThePhantom86> howdy

19:26 <sethiroth66> howdo

19:26 <MTughan> 'lo

19:26 <Romulus> rt roonry even (quoting Kim Jong Mentally Ill)

19:26 <sethiroth66> lo

19:27 <MTughan> lo, or lol?

19:28 <sethiroth66> lo

19:28 <sethiroth66> not lol

19:31 <ThePhantom86> &weather 47201

19:31 <Romulus> ThePhantom86: Temperature: 39F / 4C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 30. South winds up to 5 mph.; Thursday - Partly cloudy. Highs in the lower 50s. South winds 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

19:32 <ThePhantom86> fall is here, that's for sure

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19:41 <CoderOnTheCouch> &weather 45140

19:41 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Temperature: 35.5F / 1.9C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.24in / 1023.9hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear this evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 30s. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 50s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A slight (1 more message)

19:41 <CoderOnTheCouch> &more

19:41 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

19:41 <sethy> &weather leeds,england

19:41 <Romulus> sethy: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

19:41 <sethy> D:

19:42 <MTughan> &weather

19:42 <Romulus> MTughan: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.

19:42 <MTughan> Nice.

19:42 <CoderOnTheCouch> &weather Toronto, CA

19:42 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

19:42 <MTughan> CA is interpreted as California.

19:43 <MTughan> &weather Los Angelos, CA

19:43 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

19:43 <MTughan> If I knew how to spell that...

19:43 <MTughan> &weather Los Angeles, CA

19:43 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 61F / 16C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: Variable | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Low clouds and fog spreading inland. Lows in the 50s.; Thursday - Low clouds and fog clearing to the beaches by afternoon. Highs in the 60s.; Thursday Night - Low clouds and fog spreading inland overnight. Local drizzle late. Lows in the mid 50s. (1 more message)

19:43 <sethy> &weather leeds, England

19:43 <MTughan> See?

19:43 <Romulus> sethy: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

19:43 <sethy> &weather Leeds, England

19:43 <Romulus> sethy: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

19:43 <MTughan> Anyone know how to get the SMART status of a drive under Linux?

19:44 <CoderOnTheCouch> &weather Toronto

19:44 <sethy> &weather London, England

19:44 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM EST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low -1C(30F).; Thursday - Cloudy. 60 percent chance of showers in the afternoon. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) early in the (1 more message)

19:44 <sethy> :o

19:44 <Romulus> sethy: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.24in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 12:20 AM GMT; Chance of Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Overcast. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:41 F. / 5 C.;

19:44 <sethy> >:o

19:44 <sethy> o:<

19:44 <MTughan> Leeds is probably too small.

19:44 <CoderOnTheCouch> lol

19:44 <sethy> :o

19:44 <sethy> leeds is not small

19:44 <sethy> he use to give me leeds

19:44 <sethy> like

19:45 <sethy> ages ago

19:45 <MTughan> Well, we need to talk to wherever he gets the info from then.

19:45 <sethy> &weather info

19:45 <Romulus> sethy: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

19:45 <sethy> &weather help

19:45 <Romulus> sethy: Temperature: 41F / 5C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 30s. Calm winds in the evening becoming south around 5 mph after midnight.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. Southwest winds around 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. South winds (1 more message)

19:45 <MTughan> lol

19:45 <sethy> :o

19:45 <sethy> &mroe

19:45 <Romulus> sethy: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

19:45 <sethy> &more

19:45 <Romulus> sethy: around 5 mph in the evening becoming calm after midnight.;

19:45 <sethy> even

19:46 <sethy> we need jay

19:46 <MTughan> xcamel?

19:46 <MTughan> That was to flash...

19:46 <CoderOnTheCouch> Jay needs to see the news

19:47 <CoderOnTheCouch> Huge lumberyard fire in Norcross, Georgia

19:48 <CoderOnTheCouch> He's at his place in La Paz, Mexico

19:53 <CoderOnTheCouch> signing off here

19:53 <CoderOnTheCouch> cya

19:53 <MTughan> Bye.

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20:34 <sethy> omfg netsplit?

20:35 <MTughan> Yep.

20:35 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

20:35 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 44F / 7C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. Low in the lower 30s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 50s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 30s. North wind (1 more message)

20:36 <wdsmia> &more

20:36 <Romulus> wdsmia: near 5 mph shifting to the south after midnight.;

20:36 <Romulus> the planes are 330-370 hp extras, edge340, and on local universities to be going down his deck steps

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20:37 <MTughan> Again sethy.

20:38 <sethy> jesus

20:38 <sethy> niven seems to have power problems

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21:06 <mweltin> PovAddict: you there

21:06 <PovAddict> kinda

21:06 <MTughan> When is he not?

21:06 <PovAddict> shush

21:06 <MTughan> :P

21:06 <BadBarbarian> :-)

21:06 <MTughan> 'lo BB

21:07 <mweltin> ture

21:07 <mweltin> ok I'm back

21:07 <mweltin> but I have to leave soon to pick up my GF.

21:07 <mweltin> how do you want the source code.

21:07 <PovAddict> in whatever way that works?

21:07 <mweltin> I could email it to you if you like.

21:08 <mweltin> I just got the repository up, but I have not read how to connect to it yet.

21:08 <mweltin> there is no http interface yet at least, so email should be better.

21:10 <mweltin> just built a self extracting archvie of it.

21:11 <mweltin> I can drop it in a public spot on my web sever if that suites you.

21:11 <PovAddict> yeah

21:11 <mweltin> I'm not done with the weather fax guy yet but  I had to come home for a sec.

21:11 <mweltin> hold on I'll post a url in a sec.

21:12 <mweltin>

21:12 <mweltin> http://

21:13 <mweltin> its all set up like a svn repository so ignore everything

21:13 <mweltin> and look in trunk.

21:13 <mweltin> run the make file in lib first

21:13 <PovAddict> (7zip rocks)

21:13 <mweltin> and then bin

21:14 <mweltin> I'm make a bunhc of objects that the tsp app relies on

21:14 <mweltin> Oh crap

21:14 <mweltin> this isn't going to work.

21:14 <mweltin> I relay on expat, and a windows export of dirent

21:14 <mweltin> for it to compile

21:14 <PovAddict> i have expat

21:15 <PovAddict> doesn't look like I have dirent though

21:15 <PovAddict> ah yes I do, it's a standard include

21:16 <PovAddict> so, lib first

21:16 <mweltin> yeah

21:16 <PovAddict> built with no problems - what's next

21:16 <mweltin> it cd to BruteForce

21:16 <mweltin> and run make there.

21:16 <mweltin> are you on windows?

21:17 <mweltin> running mingw?

21:17 <PovAddict> yeah, I have mingw/msys so it's a bash shell

21:17 <mweltin> mmmmmm and it's working, cool.

21:18 <PovAddict> hmm I'll have to hack this makefile quite a bit for the boinc includes

21:18 <mweltin> sorry I didn't use the default prefix

21:19 <mweltin> I used --prefix=/boinc

21:19 <mweltin> so the $(LIB) and $(INC) will be in different places.

21:19 <PovAddict> I use a custom makefile for boincapi, and I grab the includes directly from where they are

21:20 <mweltin> you'er the smart one out of the two of us.

21:20 <MTughan> If you ever need an OS X build too, I can probably do that. One for Intel and one for PPC.

21:21 <PovAddict> c:\msys\mingw\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.5\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe: cannot find -lidn

21:21 <mweltin> not sure what that does, it came from the boinc make files.

21:22 <mweltin> try to drop it an see what happens.

21:22 <mweltin> -lz you need

21:22 <PovAddict> I dropped it, gave an error about another

21:22 <PovAddict> rinse and repeat

21:22 <PovAddict> it compiled

21:22 <PovAddict> 2.3MB?!

21:22 <mweltin> and pthread you need.

21:22 <PovAddict> pthread I removed and it compiled without any missing symbol

21:23 <mweltin> mmmmm

21:23 <mweltin> seems high.

21:23 <MTughan> Nice.

21:23 <PovAddict> boincapi uses pthreads on Unix

21:23 <PovAddict> and the native WinAPI on Windows :)

21:23 <mweltin> even with MSVS it was 984kb

21:23 <PovAddict> it's compiled with debugging on

21:23 <PovAddict> I stripped all symbols: 621KB

21:23 <MTughan> That's more like it.

21:23 <mweltin> haha I always forget that step

21:23 <mweltin> strip

21:24 <PovAddict> ok now...

21:24 <mweltin> I should buid it into the make file, but when I go to debug it always bites me in the but.

21:24 <PovAddict> <- how much time would it take to run that one?

21:24 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

21:24 <mweltin> the "in" file you got late time shoule take ~71 min

21:24 <mweltin> less than 2hrs for sure.

21:25 <PovAddict> no way; give me something that takes a few minutes to test speed

21:25 <mweltin> one guy had that run for 35 hours or something crazy like that.

21:25 <mweltin> open up the in file and rip out some of the numbers in the "suffix"

21:25 <mweltin> make it 6 digits

21:25 <mweltin> that should rip fast.

21:25 <mweltin> take them off the end.

21:26 <mweltin> it works better if the numbers in the suffix are already sorted.

21:26 <PovAddict> not the prefix?

21:26 <PovAddict> ran in seconds :|

21:26 <mweltin> the way the WU works is that is tries every permuation of the suffix

21:26 <mweltin> and appends that to prefix and tests that path.

21:26 <PovAddict> <suffix>34,36,38,39,40,41</suffix> took seconds

21:26 <mweltin> cool

21:27 <mweltin> ok I have to take off again.  Just got "the call".

21:28 <mweltin> I'll lookin to mingW when I get back.  its x! number of permutations so 6 is real short.

21:28 <PovAddict> <suffix>34,36,38,39,40,41,42,43,44</suffix> 8 seconds

21:29 <mweltin> try something bigger if you want.  the fact that it built under mingw is great to know.

21:29 <mweltin> nice

21:29 <mweltin> wow

21:29 <MTughan> He has an AMD dual-core.

21:29 <mweltin> can debug infor slow something down that much?

21:29 <PovAddict> I tried to compile with optimizations and wasn't much faster... I think I'll have to recompile *lib* with optimizations, not just bruteforce

21:29 <mweltin> oh

21:29 <mweltin> hahaha

21:30 <mweltin> ok I'm very sorry but I have to run.

21:30 <MTughan> Bye.

21:30 <mweltin> I'll be back ver soon.

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21:31 <PovAddict> from 8.6 seconds down to 6.2 seconds

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21:31 <PovAddict> tsp.exe running at normal priority and I notice no computer slowdown

21:31 <PovAddict> DUALCORE FTW

21:33 <PovAddict> 1m4.640s

21:33 <PovAddict> now trying again without optimz

21:34 <PovAddict> in fact... maybe I should compile with and without, and run one on each core :)

21:35 <PovAddict> 1m28.015s

21:35 <PovAddict> optimizations do help

21:36 <freelarry> humm PovAddict while i contemplate size of hd's for new system - if you would figure out what partitions and sizes they should be

21:36 <freelarry> that way os and data will be seperate and os can be upgraded without danger to data

21:36 <PovAddict> why me? even if I occasionally use it, it's your comp, I'm a guest

21:36 <MTughan> You're in high demand as always, PovAddict.

21:37 <PovAddict> well, I found out resizing partitions without dataloss is possible and not so hard

21:37 <freelarry> lol well you have better idea of what is needed - me i just read about it in the books and become a complete boob

21:37 <Soul_keeper> lol

21:37 <PovAddict> so you *can* resize them if you find one is running short

21:37 <Soul_keeper> noobs

21:37 <Soul_keeper> :)

21:37 <freelarry> that a boob headed too ;)

21:38 <PovAddict> hey S_k

21:38 <PovAddict> how's your fight...

21:38 <MTughan> You were split earlier.

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21:39 <freelarry> a = and

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21:50 <MTughan> Hmm... I'll have to tell him that he has improper grammar in his quit message.

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21:50 <MTughan> You have improper grammar in your quit message, BadBarbarian.

21:50 <PovAddict> nitpicker

21:50 <MTughan> :P

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21:50 <MTughan> :(

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22:21 <mweltin> what did I miss other than Mtughan grammar lesson.

22:21 <MTughan> lol, not much.

22:21 <PovAddict> 1m28.015s vs 1m4.640s using -O2 optimization

22:22 <mweltin> with an 11 digit suffix?

22:22 <mweltin> or just the 6

22:22 <PovAddict> 34,36,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,46

22:22 <mweltin> well thats 10

22:23 <PovAddict> yeah, I just wanted to see if optimizations gave any useful speedup

22:23 <mweltin> good time

22:25 <Soul_keeper>

22:25 <Romulus> <> (at

22:26 <PovAddict> mweltin:

22:26 <Romulus> Title: WikiFortio - Wikifortio (at

22:26 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: ...what the

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23:11 <Romulus> WB, Boss

23:12 <zombie67> MilkyWay released some work today.

23:16 <mweltin> zombie67: Pov was helping me out, not sure yet but it looks like mingw will make a good windows app.

23:17 <zombie67> great!

23:17 <mweltin> he got a 10 digit sequence to run in a 1min or so.

23:17 <mweltin> so an 11 digit one should be well under an hour for him.

23:17 <zombie67> nice!

23:17 <mweltin> he has a fast box.

23:17 <mweltin> I'm downloading it now.

23:17 <zombie67> how long was it before, for compairson?

23:17 <mweltin> so i can try to compile it myself.

23:17 <mweltin> some one topped out at 35 hours.

23:18 <mweltin> Tank_Master

23:18 <zombie67> for 10 or 11 digits?

23:18 <mweltin> he seemed hurt that he was not going to get credit.

23:18 <mweltin> 11

23:18 <zombie67> he'll get over it.

23:18 <zombie67> 35 hours was with a P3.

23:18 <zombie67> most of his fleet are P3.

23:18 <mweltin> yeah, I think if I can get this going and wiht the homogeneous redundancy 90

23:19 <mweltin> % of the folks will be happy.

23:19 <mweltin> he has a ton of boxes, running mostly MS server or XP

23:19 <zombie67> so 1 min for 10, and <1 hour for 11.  How does that compare to linux?

23:20 <mweltin> He is nice, hooked me up with some guy Cruch3r, and said he may help figure out what is wrong.

23:20 <zombie67> he gets free power, so he can afford to run many slow boxes.

23:20 <mweltin> apparently Crunch3r has done a few boinc win apps.

23:20 <zombie67> yep

23:20 <MTughan> Really? Lucky him...

23:20 <mweltin> you would go crazy if you say my electric bill

23:20 <zombie67> crunch3r did an optimized app for APS@home, for OSX/Intel

23:21 <zombie67> my 8-way Mac jumped up to 16,500/day!

23:21 <mweltin> the whole island is powered by diesel

23:21 <mweltin> its over 100 a month and I hardly use any electricity.

23:21 <zombie67> which island again?

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23:21 <mweltin> American Samoa

23:21 <zombie67> ah, right

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23:23 <mweltin> zombie67: do you know if stripping the debug info out of a prog speeds it up any?

23:23 <mweltin> Pov did it and its a step I always forget.

23:25 <zombie67> I know nothing about that sort of stuff.

23:25 <zombie67> sorry

23:26 <mweltin> same here, and I should know, I call myself a programmer.

23:27 <mweltin> maybe I shouldn't do that anymore.  ahhh computer guy, that title fits better.

23:27 <zombie67> I'm more of an advanced user

23:34 <mweltin> 10884kb at 9.1kb/s mmmmmmmmmmmm

23:34 <mweltin> I really don't like this island sometimes.

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23:41 <zombie67> the lack of high speed internet would drive me nuts.

23:42 <mweltin> the only reason I lasted this long is that I like the command line

23:42 <mweltin> but stuff like YouTube is just out of the question.

23:43 <Romulus> a friend but i can't find an answer and not sure

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