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00:54 <MTughan> I'm off to bed...

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01:07 <zombie67> milkyway is now pumping out WUs

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02:00 <deathSpice> anyone here build boinc with mingW?

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03:21 <AlmightyOatmeal> does anyone have some insight on getting boinc stats in conky? :)

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04:01 <Scumie> conky ?

04:02 <AlmightyOatmeal> yeah, its a scriptable system monitor ( iirc), it used to have seti stats built in, but boinc changed and conky no longer supports it

04:03 <AlmightyOatmeal> if i could get a simple status output from boinc and have a bash script seperate the name/project/status done/maybe points, that would be aweseome

04:04 <AlmightyOatmeal> though boinc seems to be running two things at once which makes it harder for me to script somethin on my own with my level of experience... silly dual core processors

04:13 <freelarry>

04:13 <Romulus> Title: Conky - a light-weight system monitor (at

04:13 <Scumie>

04:13 <Romulus> Title: Conky - a light-weight system monitor (at

04:13 <Scumie> never seen it before now

04:14 <Scumie> looks interesting

04:14 <Scumie> :\

04:14 <AlmightyOatmeal> it is, really hot

04:15 <AlmightyOatmeal> i just made an amarok script for it, i dont have a screenshot of it up yet

04:15 <AlmightyOatmeal> just trying to workout wireless stats and boinc

04:18 <freelarry> exec?

04:18 <AlmightyOatmeal> yeah

04:19 <freelarry> good luck - wouldn't even make a guess at my below noob level of knowledge

04:22 <freelarry> stats that you want are in one or more of the xml files in boinc directory - you would need to extract from there

04:23 <AlmightyOatmeal> true

04:23 <freelarry> definitly don't know where the running stats would be tho - guess in the project directory

04:23 <Romulus> We don't like it. so very sorry :( told you to be lower.....

04:23 <AlmightyOatmeal> i tried looking at the boinc_cmd --sttats or something like that, and that dumped out 10x more information than i would know how to grep and awk

04:24 <AlmightyOatmeal> i could make a cron job to run/dump the boinc_cmd info, but with so much there, my mediocre bash scripting skills wouldn't be of much use

04:25 <freelarry> lol you level of skill above mine

04:25 <AlmightyOatmeal> :P

04:25 * freelarry hasn't even figured out what to write script with

04:25 <AlmightyOatmeal> a text editor? :P

04:25 <freelarry> but first need to figure out what a script is

04:25 <AlmightyOatmeal> for that, i point you to google :P

04:26 <freelarry> lol

04:26 <freelarry> at my age - attention span not enough

04:26 <AlmightyOatmeal> your age?

04:26 <AlmightyOatmeal> you an antique? :P

04:26 <freelarry> ancient

04:26 <AlmightyOatmeal> lol

04:26 <freelarry> antique to modern

04:27 <AlmightyOatmeal> are you so old that when you fart dust comes out?

04:27 <AlmightyOatmeal> xD

04:30 <AlmightyOatmeal> old people entertain me

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04:36 <CoderForLife> hmm

04:36 <CoderForLife> look like I didn't make it back after a netsplit

04:36 <AlmightyOatmeal> ha

04:39 <AlmightyOatmeal> <-- thats my conky thus far

04:39 <Romulus> <> (at

04:39 <AlmightyOatmeal> or that

04:40 <AlmightyOatmeal> all thats missing that i need help with is boinc :'(

04:47 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:54 <CoderForLife> b

04:55 <CoderForLife> sorrt to say, I'm not having oatmeal

04:55 * freelarry humm whats a fart? last i looked the rockies were a mole colony

04:55 <Romulus> <ruphy> desti: ok, I had the postal carrier crams the mail server under F7

04:55 <CoderForLife> er sorry*

04:56 <CoderForLife> you there, freelarry?

04:56 <freelarry> in and out but around

04:57 <CoderForLife> was that last comment yours, or Rommies?

04:57 <freelarry> AlmightyOatmeal screenshot looks crowded

04:57 <AlmightyOatmeal> freelarry: that happens with 4 terminal windows open

04:57 <freelarry> mine was thought then rommie tried to take over with postal

04:57 <AlmightyOatmeal> at least i had vmware on another virtual desktop

04:58 <freelarry> have a small screen here and using ie6 so cant make out much AlmightyOatmeal

04:58 <AlmightyOatmeal> freelarry: put your mouse over the graphic and click on the expant icon in the lower right corner :P

04:59 <AlmightyOatmeal> expand*

05:00 <freelarry> so thats what thats for 8O

05:00 <AlmightyOatmeal> :P

05:02 <freelarry> thats a lot of things running

05:02 <AlmightyOatmeal> ?

05:02 <freelarry> &coffee

05:02 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

05:08 * CoderForLife sleeps at his desk

05:09 * AlmightyOatmeal still contimplates boinc and conky

05:10 * CoderForLife wakes up and reads a news article - CFL reads about CFLs

05:10 <CoderForLife>,2933,309220,00.html

05:10 <Romulus> <> (at

05:15 <freelarry> always the tradeoffs

05:22 <CoderForLife> I'm going to "move on" here this morning - take care, folks

05:36 <mweltin> d

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06:01 <freelarry> someone trying to get into a machine i have down []

06:30 <MTughan> Well, the netsplits seemed to have stopped... And I'm off to school.

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08:14 <BadBarbarian> Morning

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11:27 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

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11:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 52F / 11C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 30.31in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 57 on the North Rim to around 82 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 26 on the North Rim to around 51 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Friday - Partly cloudy. (1 more message)

11:27 <BadBarbarian> &more

11:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Highs around 54 on the North Rim to around 81 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph in the afternoon.;

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13:15 <yoyo_RKN> hmm

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13:38 <Saenger> ping

13:38 <PovAddict> boo

13:39 <PovAddict> freenode just had yet another netsplit...

13:42 <PovAddict> hmm 84 hours left for my CPDN workunit

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13:45 <yoyo_RKN> ohoh

13:46 <Saenger> now you know why you were here and were not ;)

13:46 <Saenger> hi yoyo

13:46 <yoyo_RKN> jup

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13:46 <Saenger> wb all of you

13:47 <PovAddict> geez

13:47 <PovAddict> freenode admins keep spilling coffee on the server?

13:47 <freakazoid0223> thanx its great to be here

13:48 <Saenger> in case you missed it:

13:48 <Saenger> [Global Notice] I apologize for the trip through splitsville the past couple of days. Apparently we've annoyed a kiddie and he doesn't have anything better to do than packet a few of our servers. We're working with our sponsors to block the traffic.

13:49 <PovAddict> gone do some stuff on the other computer

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13:53 <c0dewarrior> yay, kiddie death

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14:11 <BadBarbarian> afternoon quail

14:13 <BadBarbarian> admin spilled more than that lol

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14:15 <Saenger> am i still here? and if so, how many of me ;)

14:15 <BadBarbarian> just one i think

14:16 <BadBarbarian> i hav'nt been booted yet lol

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14:21 <yoyo_RKN> hi Markus

14:21 <zombie67> hello

14:21 <mweltin> hi guys

14:22 <mweltin> I had a tough time with MingW

14:22 <yoyo_RKN> where is your salesman ;)

14:22 <mweltin> trying to get teh windows app working better

14:22 <mweltin> PovAddict made a app for me, but I need to be able to complie it myself.

14:23 <mweltin> automake is not working in mingw yet.

14:23 <yoyo_RKN> this looks no as the shortest way ;)

14:23 <Romulus> Title: TSP Best Path To Date (at

14:23 <mweltin> yeah its a crappy path, and wiht the brute force method it will be for a long time.

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14:24 <yoyo_RKN> ups

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14:24 <Saenger> it looks like always the same culprits ;)

14:24 <Saenger> or victims?

14:25 <PovAddict> ok wtf

14:25 <PovAddict> freenode is *unusable* with so many splits >.>

14:27 <mweltin> PovAddict: was it easy to build boinc in mingw?

14:27 <mweltin> I was reading a web page that said to use MinGW_3.x and not 5

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14:28 <mweltin> of course this came after many failed attempts to install automake

14:28 <yoyo_RKN> hi Tank_Master

14:28 <mweltin> hi Tank

14:28 <Tank_Master> hey

14:28 <mweltin> working on a windows app right now.

14:28 <mweltin> I have to go diving soon, but with any luck today is the day.

14:28 <Tank_Master> this si didnt work :P

14:28 <Tank_Master> Im trying to use mirc to connect to two differnt servers..

14:29 <Tank_Master> but it d/ced me from my other one

14:30 <Tank_Master> so pardon me if I dissapear ;)

14:31 <Tank_Master> got it now

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14:32 <Tank_Master> ?

14:32 <yoyo_RKN> next

14:32 <zombie67> milkyway stats pages finally updated.  I'm #1.  Yea me!

14:32 <Tank_Master> congrats

14:32 <Tank_Master> whats this netsplit stuff?

14:32 <zombie67>

14:32 <Romulus> <> (at

14:32 <zombie67> It's been acting up all day.

14:32 <Tank_Master> ahh

14:33 <Tank_Master> so dont worry about it?

14:33 <zombie67> correct

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14:33 <Romulus> and to make the most important things for each system do you crunch?

14:33 <zombie67> and back

14:34 <Tank_Master> mweltin, how is that new windows app working out for you?

14:35 <PovAddict> hey Tank_Master

14:35 <mweltin> I can't build it yet, but PovAddict got it going.  If I can't build it when I get back I'm just going to release Pov's and work on it in the mean time.  I wanted to put the status in the next release.

14:35 <Tank_Master> hiya PA

14:35 <Tank_Master> Crunch3r siad he sint you back 2 apps

14:35 <Tank_Master> sent*

14:36 <mweltin> the source I gave Pov doesn't have the call to boinc_fraction_done

14:36 <Tank_Master> one for win 32 and one for win 64

14:36 <mweltin> I have not check yet.

14:36 <Tank_Master> he was also wondering if you wanted a MAC app

14:36 <mweltin> been a busy day, and the NPS is taking out the big boat so we are going somewhere cool.

14:36 <PovAddict> ah but crunch3r is more of an expert... :)

14:36 <mweltin> I'd love a mac app.

14:37 <mweltin> I think its important for me to be able to build the apps myself.

14:37 <Tank_Master> its good for the experence

14:37 <mweltin> I don't wnat to have to rely/bug people when I need a new version.

14:37 <PovAddict> mweltin: Crunch3r would rewrite your inner loop in assembler using SSE2 lol

14:37 <Tank_Master> lol

14:37 <mweltin> but I don't have a mac so that is not an option yet.

14:37 <mweltin> lol

14:37 <Tank_Master> the app he just send has no SSE optimizations yet

14:38 <mweltin> I'll be gone for about 4 hours, with any luck I'll hear/see some whales and see some rays, I can't pass up a dive like that, no matter how much I want to work on TSP, and I really do want to work on TSP.

14:39 <Tank_Master> I hear ya there

14:39 <Tank_Master> I live about 45min from the ocean

14:39 <mweltin> its been over two weeks since I have been able to just pump out masses of wu.

14:39 <mweltin> I can see it fom my house.

14:39 <Tank_Master> nice

14:39 <mweltin> the island is small.

14:40 <mweltin> 25 miles long or something like that.

14:40 <Tank_Master> I got crunch3r's app on some of my P4s, if you do deside to release a few apps before heading out :P

14:40 <Tank_Master> where you are at now?

14:40 <mweltin> Pago Pago, in American Samoa

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14:41 <Tank_Master> ahh, nice

14:41 <PovAddict> Saenger: did you get my message from between the netsplits?

14:41 <mweltin> PovAddict: did you have to install new version of pkg-config and automake for your mingw?

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14:42 <mweltin> ok I gotta run.  I'll be back in a few hours.

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14:42 <Tank_Master> I didnt see any recently for seanger

14:42 <zombie67> wheeee!

14:42 <sethy> netsplit!

14:42 <PovAddict> god damnit

14:42 <PovAddict> split and he quits

14:42 <Tank_Master> id say to hf, but he left

14:42 <Saenger> PovAddict: what message?

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14:42 <PovAddict> about google groups

14:42 <zombie67> saenger, saw your email to david...

14:42 <PovAddict> maybe it got lost between the quit messages

14:43 <Tank_Master> oh, while Im here, is it approperate to ask for invite codes to projetcs?

14:43 <zombie67> odds that he will just ignore it?

14:43 <PovAddict> Rytis, who is in charge of the web parts of BOINC, didn't even know that google group existed

14:43 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: usually, the whole point of the invite code is that not everybody knows it; giving it out to everyone who asks defeats the purpose

14:44 <Tank_Master> ok, just wondering

14:44 <PovAddict> zombie67: did you see simap batch monitor recently? this will be BIG

14:44 <Tank_Master> I only know of one project that I would like to get one for

14:44 <Saenger> it's approriate to ask for them, but not to expect to get them ;)

14:44 <zombie67> TM, ask him privately

14:44 <zombie67> at least you will get a final yes/no

14:45 <PovAddict> I used to get many PMs and emails *daily* asking for imp invite code; I started to delete them unread

14:45 <Saenger> I've mailed david before in private about google, his answer was this:

14:45 <Saenger> The software provided by our local IT people for email lists (Mailman)

14:45 <Saenger> doesn't work reliably and has no archive-search function.

14:45 <Saenger> Google Groups works fine, and I don't think privacy is an issue here.

14:45 <Saenger> -- David

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14:45 <PovAddict> "boinc forums work fine too; and if they don't, fix them, it's your code"

14:46 <Saenger> that's what I would say as well

14:46 <zombie67> if privacy is not an issue, then why not discuss it openly on the forums that *he himself* created?

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14:47 <Saenger> What you call an feature, an "active search" function, is the result of massive neglect of privacy as a business principle.

14:47 <Saenger> What's wrong with your fora? They are searcheable.

14:47 <Saenger> What's wrong with the mail lists? What's wrong with trac?

14:47 <Saenger> that was part of my answer

14:47 <zombie67> true.  all three are searchable.

14:48 <zombie67> real answer:  He didn't want to hear the opinions of us stupid, unwashed masses.

14:48 <PovAddict> trac isn't quite good for discussion...

14:48 <PovAddict> wiki pages are great to summarize the results of discussions, as it has been done before many times

14:48 <Saenger> no, but it's the place for bugs

14:49 <Saenger> or is bugzilla still alive?

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14:49 <Saenger> boinczila that is

14:49 <zombie67> we're too dumb to look at trac, we're too dumb to understand necessary information in the messages tab.

14:50 <PovAddict> yep

14:50 <PovAddict> bugs like having an XML file with team founder email addresses, or resuming network activities automatically when you click Update

14:50 <PovAddict> the devs call those "features", though

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14:51 <Saenger> giving the emails of all users to so-called "admins" without consent of the users

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14:51 <Tank_Master> you talking about the founders at each project?

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14:52 <Saenger> "updating" customised team descriptions with uniform starter descriptions

14:52 <Saenger> a new feature was invented today:

14:52 <Saenger> founders can "recruit" team admins

14:52 <zombie67> the whole founder functionality added over the past couple months is pure bull plop

14:52 <PovAddict> better not be; nobody reads that

14:52 <Saenger> they have access to all email addresses afterwards

14:53 <Saenger> and they can change the team infos

14:53 <zombie67> with all the new projects created lately, my teams extinct SETI founder is getting replicated all over the place.  AAARGH!

14:53 <Saenger> they can't boot users from team, that's restricted to the founder

14:53 <Saenger> dito zombie

14:54 <zombie67> and it will be two months (assuming it works) until I can fix them, or fix the default.

14:54 <Saenger> we're a bit better of, as he had the decency to change his email to the one of one of our admins

14:54 <Saenger> only this admin is no longer our recent admin ;)

14:55 <PovAddict> ARGH

14:55 <PovAddict> the last 20 messages just appeared all at once

14:55 <Tank_Master> lol

14:55 <zombie67> good thing he came up with this crap in secret.  <--sarcasm

14:56 <PovAddict> &ping

14:56 <Romulus> pong

14:56 <Tank_Master> there a page you can go to to set who is the founder for new projects for your team

14:56 <PovAddict> laaag

14:56 <zombie67> yes, an that page was populated by copying the SETI teams.

14:56 <zombie67> at at SETI, my team founder is someone who no longer exists.

14:56 <Tank_Master> we changed it on ours

14:57 <Tank_Master> ahh, so you have to wate the 2 months?

14:57 <zombie67> I submitted the change request, but it will take two months

14:57 <Tank_Master> yeah

14:57 <zombie67> in the mean time, all these new projects from the past couple months, and any new projects over the next two months, are all being created with bad team info.

14:58 <Tank_Master> we had soemone unexpectly take over RS, but we have no idea who it is

14:58 <Tank_Master> that have 0 credit for the project to

14:58 <zombie67> now:  what if a new project is created that is not open, and someone else (not of my team) takes over the team name?

14:58 <PovAddict> (click to view source, it's invalid XML too >.>)

14:59 <Tank_Master> then they have access to all the e-mails...

14:59 <Tank_Master> :P

14:59 <PovAddict> anyone who knows about the existance of that file has acecss to all the emails

14:59 <Tank_Master> it should be a shorter time, 2 months it way to long

15:00 <PovAddict> *starts spamming*

15:00 <PovAddict> (j/k)

15:00 <Tank_Master> lol

15:00 <Tank_Master> true

15:01 <zombie67> bbl, gotta get some lunch

15:01 <Tank_Master> same here

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15:02 <Tank_Master> what is a netsplit anyway?

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15:07 <Saenger> as there are more than one servers for chats on I think it's the loose of connection between them

15:07 <Tank_Master> ahh

15:08 <Saenger> I joined via since I've got ubuntu, I know i joined via before, and/or

15:08 <Saenger> but it's just educated guessing, i don't know about this

15:10 <Tank_Master> zelazny?

15:10 <Tank_Master> thats the one i AM CONNECTED TO NOW

15:10 <Tank_Master> dang cap

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15:13 <Tank_Master> wb all y' all

15:13 <Saenger> thivk fingers, hitting a nad shift at once ;)

15:14 <Saenger> i know about that ;)

15:14 <Tank_Master> I hit the caplock when reaching for the a

15:14 <Saenger> and i obviously know of posting in irregular letter orde5

15:15 <Tank_Master> haha

15:15 <Tank_Master> u 2?

15:15 <Saenger> it's one of my real well established skills ;)

15:15 <Tank_Master> same here :P

15:16 <Tank_Master> my

15:16 <Saenger> and as there is no "edit post" function in a chat i can't even hide this

15:16 <Tank_Master> (-:

15:16 <Tank_Master> (-:

15:16 <Tank_Master> hats off to ya

15:16 <Tank_Master> true, that would be nice

15:17 <Saenger> as long as it's not "heads of"

15:17 <Tank_Master> :P

15:17 <Tank_Master> only when I cone for the comps

15:18 <Tank_Master> come*

15:21 <Tank_Master> any new projects out there I should be aware of?

15:21 <zombie67> back

15:21 <Saenger> not that i know of

15:21 <Tank_Master> wb

15:21 <Tank_Master> k

15:22 <Saenger> nnsimu is well known. milkyway dito

15:22 <Tank_Master> I got most, but theres always some new one poping up every week, it seems

15:22 <Tank_Master> I got peom and TSP as well

15:22 <Tank_Master> and AI

15:22 <zombie67> any new ones not on this list?

15:22 <Romulus> <> (at

15:23 <Tank_Master> frikin xhtml

15:23 <Romulus> well i have had 2-5 other people thing is COOOOOOOOL

15:23 <zombie67> get a real browser

15:24 <Tank_Master> I do, its call e IE

15:24 <BadBarbarian> that sucks i cant open the page

15:24 <zombie67> use FF or opera or safari

15:24 <zombie67> ie is crap

15:24 <Tank_Master> IE works

15:24 <BadBarbarian> 7 is but 6 isnt bad

15:25 <zombie67> way too many security holes

15:25 <Tank_Master> ha, and FF dosent?

15:25 <zombie67> not as many, no

15:26 <Tank_Master> right..

15:26 <zombie67> oh right, and ie cant do xhtml!

15:28 <BadBarbarian> i have ff lol just had tomake it default

15:29 <BadBarbarian> lol

15:29 <zombie67> more milkyway work soon:  "Hopefully the next one we run (today or tomorrow) will work a bit more smoothly"

15:30 <Tank_Master> cool

15:30 <Tank_Master> now to get BAM! to support it

15:31 <zombie67> +1

15:31 <Tank_Master> would be a lot more convinent to have 10 high end systems in one location instead of 35 P3s spread all over the place

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15:31 <Tank_Master> howdy cruncher

15:32 <crunch3r> *blubb* ;P

15:32 <Tank_Master> nice fishy

15:32 <crunch3r> hehe ;P

15:33 <crunch3r> so what's going on here ? anything special ?

15:33 <Tank_Master> not to mcuh

15:33 <Tank_Master> much*

15:33 <crunch3r> lol... then why join here ;P

15:34 <Tank_Master> ask BB

15:34 <Tank_Master> I didint send you here ;)

15:34 <crunch3r> hmmm

15:34 <Tank_Master> we were just wondering if there are any new projects out there

15:35 <Tank_Master> then someone had the ordasity to give a link to an xhtml file I couldnt open

15:35 <Tank_Master> hehe :D

15:37 <zombie67> your crap browser couldn't open....

15:38 <crunch3r> ^^ so it was you zombie ?

15:38 <zombie67>

15:38 <Romulus> Title: @page { } table { border-collapse:collapse; border-spacing:0; empty-cells:show } td, th { vertical-align:top; } h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 { clear:both } ol, ul { padding:0; } * { margin:0; } *.ta1 { } *.ce1 { font-family:Arial; border-bottom-width:0.0351cm; border-bottom-style:solid; border-bottom-color:#000000; background-color:#4c4c4c; border-left-width:0.0879cm; border-left-style:solid; border-left-color:#000000; border-right-style:none; border-top-width:0.0879cm; border-top-style:solid; border-top-color:#000000; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! important; margin-left:0in; color:#ffffff; font-size:8pt; font-weight:bold; } *.ce10 { font-family:Arial; background-color:transparent; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! important; margin-left:0in; font-size:8pt; } *.ce11 { font-family:Arial; background-color:transparent; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! important; margin-left:0in; font-size:8pt; } *.ce12 { font-family:Arial; border-bottom-width:0.0351cm; border-bottom-style:solid; border-bottom-color:#000000; background-color:#4c4c4c; border-left-style:none; border-right-style:none; border-top-width:0.0879cm; border-top-style:solid; border-top-color:#000000; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! important; margin-left:0in; color:#ffffff; font-size:8pt; font-weight:bold; } *.ce13 { font-family:Arial; border-bottom-width:0.0351cm; border-bottom-style:solid; border-bottom-color:#000000; background-color:#99ccff; border-left-style:none; border-right-style:none; border-top-width:0.0351cm; border-top-style:solid; border-top-color:#000000; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! important; margin-left:0in; font-size:8pt; font-weight:normal; } *.ce14 { font-family:Arial; border-bottom-width:0.0351cm; border-bottom-style:solid; border-bottom-color:#000000; background-color:#99ccff; border-left-style:none; border-right-style:none; border-top-width:0.0351cm; border-top-style:solid; border-top-color:#000000; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! important; margin-left:0in; color:#0000ff; font-size:8pt; font-weight:normal; } *.ce15 { font-family:Arial; border-bottom-width:0.0351cm; border-bottom-style:solid; border-bottom-color:#000000; background-color:#b3b3b3; border-left-style:none; border-right-style:none; border-top-width:0.0351cm; border-top-style:solid; border-top-color:#000000; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! important; margin-left:0in; color:#ff0000; font-size:8pt; font-weight:normal; } *.ce16 { font-family:Arial; border-bottom-width:0.0351cm; border-bottom-style:solid; border-bottom-color:#000000; background-color:transparent; border-left-style:none; border-right-style:none; border-top-width:0.0351cm; border-top-style:solid; border-top-color:#000000; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! important; margin-left:0in; color:#0000ff; font-size:8pt; font-weight:normal; } *.ce17 { font-family:Arial; border-bottom-width:0.0351cm; border-bottom-style:solid; border-bottom-color:#000000; background-color:transparent; border-left-style:none; border-right-style:none; border-top-width:0.0351cm; border-top-style:solid; border-top-color:#000000; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! important; margin-left:0in; font-size:8pt; font-weight:normal; } *.ce18 { font-family:Arial; border-bottom-width:0.0351cm; border-bottom-style:solid; border-bottom-color:#000000; background-color:#99ccff; border-left-style:none; border-right-style:none; border-top-width:0.0351cm; border-top-style:solid; border-top-color:#000000; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center ! impor (at

15:38 <Tank_Master> how can it be a standard if the bulk of the people cant open it?

15:38 <zombie67> ask msft

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15:38 <Tank_Master> no thx

15:39 <Tank_Master> crap

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15:39 <zombie67> they are the kings of "make our own standard", when one already exists

15:39 <Tank_Master> wb

15:39 <Tank_Master> right...

15:39 <PovAddict> this is too much

15:39 <Tank_Master> the netsplits?

15:40 <zombie67> and I say it's not too much enough!

15:40 <Tank_Master> or maybe those others go and make their own to make the big guy look dumb?

15:40 <Tank_Master> hehe

15:44 <Tank_Master> now its all quiet again

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15:44 <crunch3r> *BAAAAAAMMMMMM!*

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15:50 <yoyo_RKN> moin crunch3r

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15:50 <crunch3r> moin ? guten abend würde ich sagen :P Prost

15:51 <yoyo_RKN> ;)

15:51 <PovAddict> I manually connected to this server to avoid being on the small side of the split

15:51 <Tank_Master> :)

15:51 <zombie67> 4,750.16 total for MW

15:52 <Tank_Master> not bad

15:52 <Tank_Master> your comps catching up yet on the u/l?

15:52 <PovAddict> broke 180k total

15:52 <Tank_Master> hehe

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15:52 <Tank_Master> not bad

15:53 <zombie67> yep.

15:53 <crunch3r> btw... @tank ... zomies xhtml file is working for me :P

15:53 <zombie67> and they fixed the validator, so no more pending

15:53 <Tank_Master> good

15:54 <zombie67> crunch3r, which browser are you using?

15:54 <crunch3r> firefox

15:54 <PovAddict> probably one that works

15:54 <zombie67> ;)

15:54 <Tank_Master> xhtml may be supported bt IE8

15:54 <zombie67> TM:  ie = crap

15:54 <PovAddict> "may" lol

15:55 <Tank_Master> the article I am reading on why they didnt support it for IE7 is old

15:55 <PovAddict> people complain about lack of good CSS2 support... but I bet it's still missing CSS1 features...

15:55 <Romulus> efc you're going to update with the xadd script, how do you say that every one knows that

15:58 <zombie67> bbl

15:58 <Tank_Master> k

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16:03 <Tank_Master> a beta for IE8 should be aout around the end of april

16:04 * PovAddict goes rewrite boinc

16:05 * Tank_Master wishes PovAssict luck

16:05 <Tank_Master> addict*

16:11 <crunch3r> *blubb*

16:11 <Tank_Master> yo

16:12 <yoyo_RKN> yoyo

16:12 <crunch3r> quite in here :(

16:12 <yoyo_RKN> ;)

16:12 <Tank_Master> yep

16:12 <Tank_Master> hye, yoyo

16:12 <Tank_Master> when u comming out with a 64bit win app? :D

16:12 <crunch3r> stupid mac OSX takes amlost forever to compile "expat" from macports...

16:13 <Tank_Master> thats not good

16:13 <yoyo_RKN> 64bi Linux is only 10% faster than 32 bit

16:13 <Tank_Master> k...

16:13 <crunch3r> think zombie will have to wait a bit longer for his mac OSX TSP@Home app

16:13 <Tank_Master> he wont like that.. ;)

16:13 <crunch3r> ^^ well there's nothing he can do about it :P

16:14 <Tank_Master> haha

16:14 <Tank_Master> true

16:18 <Tank_Master> anywho, im heading home now

16:18 <Tank_Master> c-ya l8er

16:19 <crunch3r> cya

16:23 <PovAddict> omg my RAC is 666

16:24 <crunch3r> where ?

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16:25 <PovAddict> I'm using the mundayweb stats desktop widget

16:25 <PovAddict> and it shows my total RAC as 666.84

16:26 <Saenger> vade retro, satanas!

16:26 <crunch3r> don't know about the desktop widget ...

16:26 <PovAddict> the sig image shows different...

16:26 <Romulus> <> (at

16:28 <crunch3r> ok... just a 1~10 off... not a big deal

16:28 <PovAddict> actually, it's because mundayweb is doing RAC decay to make it accurate even when projects don't

16:28 <PovAddict> if you refresh the page repeatedly, you'll see my RAC going down

16:30 <PovAddict> hmm but the decay code is server-side...

16:31 <PovAddict> it would be cool if the widget updated from the server every few hours, but calculated the RAC decay itself, so you could see it go down in realtime

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16:40 <PovAddict> hmm where to start...

16:41 <zombie67> at the beginning?

16:42 <PovAddict> where does a net begin?

16:44 <PovAddict> this graph has nothing to do but you get the idea: even if you can follow the arrows, which one do you start with? :P

16:44 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:51 <CoderForLife> hello

17:56 <Tank_Master> hi

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18:07 <Tank_Master> #1 CPU ::: Intel Core2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz ::: 3075Mhz ::: 4MB ::: Core 2 ::: 100% ::: Intel

18:07 <Tank_Master> #2 CPU ::: Intel Core2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz ::: 3075Mhz ::: 4MB ::: Core 2 ::: 100% ::: Intel

18:07 <PovAddict> light gray on white isn't readable

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18:07 <Tank_Master> no, no it isnt

18:07 <Tank_Master> its just how the script was writen

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18:08 <Tank_Master> Boinc CPU-Info - CPU's: 2 GenuineIntel - Microsoft Windows Server "Longhorn" Standard x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, v.275, (06.00.6001.00)

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18:12 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master PovAddict c0dewarrior_ desti sethiroth66

18:12 <CoderForLife> and wdsmia

18:12 <c0dewarrior_> hida

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18:12 <wdsmia> *lo Don

18:12 <CoderForLife> how's everyone?

18:13 <Tank_Master> Hard Drive Space Used: [] -- 68.8% of 603.65GB

18:13 <Tank_Master> im good

18:15 <CoderForLife> ieee  can't... take... the... colors....

18:15 * CoderForLife gasps and quivers

18:15 * CoderForLife goes into chromatic convulsions

18:15 * CoderForLife straightens up and smiles

18:15 <CoderForLife> hi

18:16 <quail>

18:16 <Romulus> <> (at

18:16 <quail> Black holes 'beaming powerful rays at Earth'

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18:16 * CoderForLife puts on his aluminum foil hat

18:16 <quail> g'day Don, how are you mate?

18:16 <CoderForLife> I knew it

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18:17 <CoderForLife> I am fine - Stephen is setting up his new laptop

18:17 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: you think that's bad?

18:17 <PovAddict>

18:17 <Romulus> <> (at

18:17 <CoderForLife> Gutsy is running, now setting up the dual boot for XP 64bit

18:17 <PovAddict> *that* is a chromatic convulsion

18:18 <Tank_Master> OS Version ::: Windows Server (R) 2008 Standard (version: 6.0)

18:18 <CoderForLife> my IRC client is "open a link"-challenged this evening

18:18 <PovAddict> type manually the ln-s url rommie gave?

18:19 <Tank_Master> y u rammie reporting URLs?

18:19 <CoderForLife> wow - that is chromatic

18:19 <Tank_Master> reposting*

18:19 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.22-14-generic |  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz 1595.399 MHz | Bogomips: 3194.48 | Mem: 761/1265M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 264.39G Free: 199.31G | Procs: 109 | Uptime: 2 days 15 hrs 43 mins 3 secs | Load: 0.16 0.08 0.07  | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) GPU clock: 249.750 MHz | eth0: In: 79.75M Out: 99.79M

18:19 <quail> Sensors: HDD: 38°C

18:20 <Tank_Master> System UpTime (record) ::: 16days 18hours 44minutes 27seconds

18:20 <quail> cause rommie is smart

18:20 <PovAddict> s-m-r-t smart

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18:20 <CoderForLife> another opinion weighs in

18:20 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:21 <quail> root@OpenWrt:~# uptime  09:51:07 up 153 days, 19:08, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

18:21 <quail> not bad uptime for an embedded system

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18:22 <Tank_Master> dumb script crashed mirc

18:22 * CoderForLife thinks about becoming an embedded system

18:22 <BadBarbarian> lol

18:22 <CoderForLife> howdy BB

18:23 <BadBarbarian> hry wasup CFL

18:23 <quail> hey BB

18:23 <CoderForLife> not much - getting ready to open up my w@#% laptop and jump on my new wireless access

18:23 <BadBarbarian> hi quail

18:23 <quail> &weather ypad

18:23 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 9:30 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:62 F. / (1 more message)

18:23 <quail> &more

18:23 <Romulus> quail: 17 C.;

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18:25 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

18:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 46F / 8C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. Low in the lower 30s. Northeast wind near 5 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 50s. Northwest wind near 10 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 30s. North wind (1 more message)

18:25 <wdsmia> &more

18:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: around 5 mph shifting to the east after midnight.;

18:25 <CoderForLife> freemode is a bit spastic lately

18:25 <BadBarbarian> i saw earlyer

18:26 <CoderForLife> been a long time since I used that word

18:26 <quail> CoderForLife: freenode got attached yesterday by a script kiddie

18:26 <BadBarbarian> everybody but i was booted several times lol

18:26 <CoderForLife> &dict spastic

18:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Spastic \Spas"tic\, a. [L. spasticus, Gr. ?, fr. ? to draw: cf. F. spastique. See {Spasm}.] (Med.) Of or pertaining to spasm; spasmodic; especially, pertaining to tonic spasm; tetanic. [1913 Webster]; wn: spastic adj 1: relating to or characterized by spasm; "a spastic colon"; "spastic paralysis is a spastic form of cerebral palsy" 2: suffering (4 more messages)

18:26 <CoderForLife> yep - that's what I meant

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18:27 <CoderForLife> c'est tres spastique, n'est pas?

18:27 <CoderForLife> c'est vrai, benje?

18:28 <Tank_Master> ?

18:28 <quail> huh? english please

18:28 <BadBarbarian> that laptop still giving you problems

18:28 <benje> spastique ? CoderForLife :)

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18:28 <Tank_Master> I aint got no laptop

18:28 <benje> hello

18:28 <CoderForLife> lol  bonjour

18:28 <BadBarbarian> coderfoflife

18:29 <CoderForLife> no laptop problems here BB

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18:29 <BadBarbarian> cool

18:30 <CoderForLife> my son just got his new one today

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18:30 <CoderForLife> he ripped Vista off of it - had Gusty Gibbon installed, now installing XP 64bit

18:30 <BadBarbarian> what kind

18:30 <CoderForLife> Dell

18:30 <BadBarbarian> verygood

18:30 <CoderForLife> dual core

18:31 <CoderForLife> 2 GB RAM

18:31 <BadBarbarian> 2 gig cpu

18:31 <Tank_Master> Memory Free ::: 338MB/2047MB

18:31 <CoderForLife> um ah 1.5

18:32 <CoderForLife> it was a refurb with the thin, bright display, 9 cell battery

18:32 <CoderForLife> saved about $800 off new

18:33 <CoderForLife> a sweet machine at a fair price

18:33 <BadBarbarian> cool got a core2duo 2 gig refurb  for a friend it was 699.99 and a gateway

18:33 <CoderForLife> yep

18:34 <BadBarbarian> my quad will be here on friday i hope

18:35 <CoderForLife> I want a dual quad

18:35 <BadBarbarian> lol

18:35 <BadBarbarian> amd

18:35 <BadBarbarian> ?

18:35 <CoderForLife> &eightball will I get an eight core?

18:35 <Romulus> CoderForLife: You're kidding, right?

18:36 <quail> CoderForLife: why not just go for a 4 x quad

18:36 <BadBarbarian> the new quad from amd is a screamer

18:36 <CoderForLife> $ure I have $ome extra ca$h

18:37 <quail> kewl, buy me one while you getting yours :-P

18:37 <Tank_Master> haha

18:39 <quail> I am just happy I got my laptop back and I have finally proven that the last of the faults with it was due to dodgy bios and all I had to do is downgrade it

18:40 <Tank_Master> odd

18:40 <Tank_Master> I just got a PM from someone want me to chane the name I used in a post that is well over a year old...

18:40 <paul_l> fix it yo

18:40 <Tank_Master> ha!

18:41 <Tank_Master> they also sent the PM in seti when the post was in docking...

18:43 <BadBarbarian> people are strange

18:43 <Tank_Master> that they are

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18:48 <CoderOnTheCouch> hello Michael

18:48 <MTughan> 'lo COTC

18:48 <MTughan> Comfy?

18:49 <CoderOnTheCouch> it's nice

18:50 <CoderForLife> he's just lazy

18:50 <BadBarbarian> hi MT

18:51 <CoderOnTheCouch> don't lsten to CFL - he's just jealous

18:51 <CoderOnTheCouch> listen*

18:51 <MTughan> lol

18:51 <Tank_Master> :)

18:52 * CoderOnTheCouch stretches out in luxury

18:52 * CoderForLife grinds his teeth

18:52 <MTughan> Anyone on Mac who could test a version of for me?

18:52 * Tank_Master flips the couch over

18:53 <MTughan> lol

18:53 <Tank_Master> hey z??

18:53 <Tank_Master> oh, he's not here

18:53 <PovAddict> what the

18:53 <MTughan> zombie's not here, it seems...

18:53 <Tank_Master> I know zombie has some MACs

18:53 <MTughan> 'lo PovAddict

18:53 <MTughan> Tank_Master: I know he does.

18:53 <PovAddict> getting my tomcat log full of POST / HTTP/1.0

18:53 <MTughan> Not me.

18:53 <PovAddict> I wish I could see the contents of the request

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18:54 <MTughan> Camino doesn't have that tab open anymore.

18:54 <PovAddict> but it's sending POST to this URL:

18:54 <Romulus> Title: Apache Tomcat (at

18:55 <MTughan> Restart the server?

18:55 <PovAddict> it's probably someone trying to h4x or something

18:55 <Tank_Master> could always give it to me, ill make good use of the server

18:55 <Tank_Master> :)

18:56 <PovAddict> someone just sent a CONNECT trying to use me as proxy to spam

18:56 <BadBarbarian> lol the servers in south america

18:57 <PovAddict> it was in case you want to plink him

18:57 <BadBarbarian> or the address was lol

18:57 <PovAddict> attempted to use me as proxy to somebody's port 25

18:57 * CoderForLife loves plinking

18:58 <MTughan> Hmm... We should make a spam revenger. Get an IP, then spam it.

18:58 <BadBarbarian> lol china

18:58 <PovAddict> From to CONNECT HTTP/1.1

18:58 * CoderOnTheCouch shakes his head and stares at the ceiling

18:58 <PovAddict> MTughan: note that most of the spammer IPs are normal home computers with malware...

18:59 <MTughan> Good point...

18:59 <CoderOnTheCouch> zombies

18:59 <BadBarbarian> Name:

18:59 <BadBarbarian> IP Address:

18:59 <BadBarbarian> Location: Taizhong (24.150N, 120.667E)

18:59 <BadBarbarian> Network: APNIC-122

18:59 <BadBarbarian> Registrant:

18:59 <BadBarbarian> Internet Dept., DCBG, Chunghwa Telecom Co., Ltd

18:59 <BadBarbarian>    Data-Bldg, No. 21 Sec.1, Hsin-Yi Rd

18:59 <BadBarbarian>    Taipei, Taiwan 100

18:59 <BadBarbarian>    TW

18:59 <PovAddict> floood

18:59 <BadBarbarian> lol

19:03 <quail> muffin in chinese = horse shit, anyone up for an english muffin?

19:04 * wdsmia asks the room to please watch there language Thanks, your friendly channel op

19:04 <Romulus> it's a really big month for our data processing operations people

19:05 <Tank_Master> heh

19:05 <Tank_Master> I just want to be able to download BOINC for free

19:05 <Tank_Master> I wonder if some bot will pick up on that

19:05 <quail> sorry Doug, I was trying to crack a funny playing with words

19:11 <CoderOnTheCouch> cya folks

19:11 <Tank_Master> gn?

19:11 <MTughan> Bye.

19:11 <PovAddict> bye

19:11 <CoderOnTheCouch> TV

19:11 <wdsmia> cya

19:11 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:11 * PovAddict dinner -->

19:12 <Tank_Master> hf

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19:12 <Tank_Master> its only 4 here

19:12 <MTughan> PST person.

19:12 <Tank_Master> yep

19:12 <MTughan> 7:12 here.

19:13 <Tank_Master> est?

19:13 <MTughan> Personal connection: I have family in Vancouver.

19:13 <MTughan> Yep.

19:13 <Tank_Master> I am assuming you meen vancouver WA and not vancouver BC?

19:13 <MTughan> No, Vancouver BC.

19:13 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:13 <Tank_Master> haha

19:13 <MTughan> There's a Vancouver WA?

19:14 <Tank_Master> yep

19:14 <Tank_Master> just on the other side of the columbia river from portland OR

19:14 <MTughan> Interesting...

19:14 <Tank_Master> basicly all one city if it wasnt for being in different states

19:15 <Tank_Master> I-5 intersects it

19:15 <MTughan> And that means absolutely nothing to me...

19:15 <MTughan> I'm in Toronto.

19:15 <MTughan> I have no idea where I-5 is. :P

19:16 <Tank_Master> 1-5 is the main freeway from alaska, through BC, and down into mexico

19:20 <BadBarbarian> only in the us is it called interstate 5

19:20 <Tank_Master> could be

19:20 <BadBarbarian> lol

19:21 <MTughan> Could be the Coke in BC...

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20:17 <mweltin> Holy Cow I have about 70 dives and that was in the top three.

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20:29 <zombie67>

20:29 <Romulus> <> (at

20:30 <MTughan> Oh, hey zombie67. Can you try a build of for me?

20:33 <MTughan> Holy crap, that's a big collection...

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20:34 <zombie67> I have never used GIMP.  What did you want me to do with it?

20:35 <PovAddict> test his compile

20:35 <MTughan> Just test it. See if it runs. Do you have X11?

20:35 <zombie67> yep

20:35 <zombie67> sure

20:35 <MTughan> One sec...

20:36 <MTughan> You'll need both parts 1 and 2, but hold off on 2 for now.

20:36 <Romulus> Title: Free file hosting by (at

20:36 <MTughan> I'm updating it. 1 has already been updated.

20:37 <MTughan> Interesting... Seems if you cut off uploads on a torrent in Transmission, it cuts off downloads too...

20:37 <zombie67> downloading part 1 now.

20:38 <zombie67> you know, gimp already exists for OSX.

20:38 <MTughan> At the end, you'll have to cat them together, and then it's just a .tar.bz2.

20:38 <MTughan> Yes, I know, but the stable Universal is old, and the latest is an RC and Intel only. This is stable and Unversal. :D

20:39 <zombie67> does it matter which machine I test this on?

20:39 <MTughan> Just finished the last Universal libraries last night.

20:39 <MTughan> No, probably not, although I would appreciate a PPC test.

20:39 <zombie67> ok, part 1 downloaded.

20:40 <zombie67> now whaqt?

20:40 <MTughan> Just wait until I tell you part 2 is uploaded.

20:40 <MTughan> Ugh... 26 minutes at this rate.

20:40 <MTughan> All right, Fedora can wait.

20:42 <MTughan> Stupid thing... Upload stopped. >_>

20:43 <MTughan> Unless I can send it to you over CCTP.

20:43 <MTughan> Actually, 11 and a half minutes. Restarted it.

20:49 <zombie67> okay, downloaded part 1 to an intel and a ppc mac

20:49 <zombie67> both tiger

20:50 <zombie67>

20:50 <Romulus> <> (at

20:51 <MTughan> 5 minutes on part 2...

20:52 <MTughan> o_O

20:53 <MTughan> Less than 3 minutes... Uploading at 80KB/s.

20:54 <MTughan> Why is it that upload speeds are always so much slower than download speeds?

20:54 <MTughan> I can get up to about 500KB/s down. Only 1/5th of that for uploads... Ridiculous.

20:54 <zombie67> intentional

20:55 <MTughan> What do you mean?

20:55 <MTughan> 20 seconds...

20:55 <zombie67> look at any ISP.  They always have much slower UL speeds.

20:56 <MTughan> Uploaded. Go get part 2.

20:56 <PovAddict> I have 15KB/s up when on a lucky day

20:56 <zombie67> okay, gimme a sec.

20:56 <MTughan> Ugh... We'd hate to have you have to upload 100MB.

20:59 <zombie67> ugh, that web site is so slow

20:59 <MTughan> It's the only option I have, unless you want me to split 100MB up into 5MB chunks.

20:59 <MTughan> Or I could go to a different site.

21:00 <zombie67> no, they are going now

21:00 <MTughan> Well, I didn't mean for this. For later stuff.

21:00 <zombie67> almost done

21:00 <zombie67> give me the command to combine

21:00 <PovAddict> 5.10.29 coming soon

21:00 <MTughan> "cat >"

21:00 <zombie67> no thanks

21:00 <MTughan> I think I'm still on .27...

21:01 <MTughan> Yep.

21:01 <MTughan> zombie67: You want to extract on the command line too?

21:01 <zombie67> nope

21:02 <zombie67> finder is doing it just fine

21:02 <MTughan> Yeah.

21:02 <zombie67> starting.....

21:03 <zombie67> done

21:03 <MTughan> Moment of truth...

21:03 <zombie67> seems to work.

21:03 <zombie67> anything in particular?

21:03 <MTughan> Okay, that's good. What machine is this?

21:03 <zombie67> intel 8-way

21:03 <MTughan> Well, see if you can at least make a new image.

21:03 <zombie67> duh...

21:03 <zombie67> how?

21:03 <MTughan> Ctrl+Shift+N I think it is. It's in the File menu too.

21:04 <zombie67> yep, used a paint brush no problem

21:04 <MTughan> Okay. How about a PPC machine?

21:04 <zombie67> okay, let me try the ppc

21:05 <MTughan> This one is the one I'm more iffy about. I think I got everything.

21:05 <PovAddict> is the menu text OK?

21:05 <PovAddict> text rendering was a problem...

21:05 <MTughan> Something seemed to fix it.

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21:05 <zombie67> text in the menues looks fine

21:05 <MTughan> They were all boxes before.

21:06 <PovAddict> .29 seems to be mac-only

21:07 <zombie67> text in menues looks like OO

21:07 <MTughan> OO?

21:07 <MTughan> Oh, OpenOffice...

21:07 <zombie67> open office, another X11 app

21:07 <MTughan> Yeah. Ever tried NeoOffice?

21:07 <zombie67> neooffice is what I use

21:08 <zombie67> a new patch came out today

21:08 <MTughan> Ah, thanks.

21:08 <zombie67> unarchiving.....

21:08 <zombie67> slowing down my crunching.....

21:08 <PovAddict> onoes

21:08 <PovAddict> hmm are md5 hashes 16 bytes?

21:08 <MTughan> ?

21:09 <MTughan> Not sure...

21:09 <zombie67> oKJYDB *&6de5gn?

21:09 <PovAddict> 4cec9c46028e92d34ebdc5932f6a6173

21:09 <PovAddict> yeah 'tis

21:09 <MTughan> You want me to confirm it?

21:10 <PovAddict> it's 32 hex chars

21:10 <zombie67> no go

21:10 <PovAddict> so 16 bytes

21:10 <MTughan> zombie67: What's wrong?

21:10 <zombie67> X11 starts, then the gimp icon shows up on the dock, then goes away.

21:10 <MTughan> Ugh... Anything in

21:10 <PovAddict> did you launch it from console? should have printed something hmm

21:11 <zombie67> oh yeah, lots of concole output

21:11 <MTughan> Yeah, lots of python errors, I know.

21:12 <zombie67> cat >

21:12 <MTughan> Yep.

21:13 <zombie67> sorry, wrong c/p

21:13 <Romulus> we're up to the computer and a fan blowing in the market don't do the glass-looking reflection with Photoshop

21:13 <zombie67> I forgot I was doing this in a VNC window

21:13 <MTughan> MD5 of 6b630b867c21d51a1818078a9b6ed066

21:14 <zombie67> GThread-ERROR **: file gthread-posix.c: line 197 (): error 'Invalid argument' during 'pthread_mutex_trylock'

21:14 <zombie67> aborting...

21:14 <MTughan> SHA-1 b7c233f8a2228a32548e671ba2e42bbe76b73845

21:14 <zombie67> grrr

21:14 <MTughan> Whoa...

21:14 <zombie67> got an email address?

21:14 <MTughan> Me? Can you just pastebin it?

21:14 <zombie67> what's that?

21:14 <MTughan>

21:14 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - simplified internet collaboration (at

21:14 <MTughan> bbiab

21:15 <zombie67> bbiab?

21:16 <MTughan> Ugh. My mom called me down because they bought ice cream. Big whoop.

21:16 <MTughan> "Be back in a bit"

21:16 <zombie67> I think I just posted it to pastebin

21:16 <zombie67> crap, and my email address too.

21:16 <MTughan> lol

21:17 <zombie67>

21:17 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - console - post number 766713 (at

21:17 <zombie67> error at the bottom

21:18 <MTughan> Ah, it seems that I missed a library...

21:19 <MTughan> Okay, so somehow I've got to figure out how to update those... Ugh.

21:20 <MTughan> Yeah, it is an Intel only build.

21:20 <PovAddict> pango again... fun

21:20 <MTughan> Well, I may just not have copied them over, but they may have been updated.

21:21 <zombie67> I should delete the .apps now?

21:21 <MTughan> Yep, that's it. :D

21:21 <MTughan> No, don't delete the PPC yet...

21:22 <PovAddict> <zombie67> too late

21:22 <zombie67> hang on, still in the trash

21:23 <MTughan> Here we go, got an 84KB bunzip of the modules.

21:23 <zombie67> okay, recovered

21:23 <MTughan>

21:23 <Romulus> <> (at

21:24 <MTughan> Extract those to

21:26 <zombie67> replace?

21:27 <MTughan> Yep.

21:27 <zombie67> done

21:27 <MTughan> Try it now.

21:27 <zombie67> want me to try starting again?

21:27 <MTughan> The problem was that those were build Universal on my system, but I forgot to copy them over to the package.

21:27 <zombie67> failed

21:29 <MTughan> I wonder if I can debug these by using Rosetta mode...

21:29 <zombie67> Failed to execute message bus daemon /opt/local/bin/dbus-daemon: No such file or directory.  Will try again without full path.

21:29 <MTughan> Runs fine, but I don't know if the actual GIMP process is running as PPC, because it's not the same application as the application bundle executable.

21:29 <MTughan> Not that, that's not your problem.

21:29 <zombie67> GThread-ERROR **: file gthread-posix.c: line 197 (): error 'Invalid argument' during 'pthread_mutex_trylock' aborting...

21:29 <Romulus> i have chkroot and root kit hunter running

21:29 <MTughan> That is... Anything before that?

21:29 <zombie67>   /Applications/ terminated: Abort trap

21:30 <MTughan> Unfortunately, you're my guinea pig here. :P

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21:30 <MTughan> I don't have a PPC machine myself.

21:30 <zombie67> nope, that's it.

21:30 <MTughan> Ugh...

21:30 <zombie67> i cleared out the console, then restarted, that is everything

21:31 <zombie67> one thing different this time

21:31 <MTughan> libgthread is universal...

21:31 <zombie67> I am getting the splash screen for a moment

21:31 <zombie67> before, no splash screen

21:31 <MTughan> Well, that's a start.

21:32 <zombie67> I have to get going.  I'll be back tomorrow, if you want me to try out anything.

21:32 <MTughan> Do you know how to run an executable as PPC on an Intel mac?

21:32 <MTughan> Okay, that's fine. Thanks for your help.

21:32 <zombie67> nope.

21:32 <zombie67> see ya

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21:33 <PovAddict> I hate how gerasim seems to be rewriting boinc server making it worse than the original

21:40 <Tank_Master> ib

21:42 <PovAddict> hmm

21:42 <PovAddict> I wonder if there is any way to download stuff to a Palm without having to install the official (crappy) software

21:43 <Tank_Master> :P

21:43 <PovAddict> oh, duh

21:43 <PovAddict> plugging the SD card directly will do for my needs

21:43 <PovAddict> now that I have a memory reader...

21:43 <MTughan> Simple enough.

21:44 <Tank_Master> haha

21:48 <Tank_Master> so did you get the mac app to run?

21:49 <MTughan> I've got someone else ready to help.

21:49 <Romulus> we got some long-running WUs being crunched ?

21:49 <Tank_Master> I saw that z was helpin ya

21:49 <PovAddict> agh

21:49 <PovAddict> I cant find...

21:49 <Tank_Master> a life?

21:49 <PovAddict> some offline web browser for Palm that I used

21:49 <Tank_Master> hehe, j/k

21:49 <PovAddict> I need to download the converter

21:49 <PovAddict> ...and that

21:50 <Tank_Master> lol

21:50 <Tank_Master> thats ok, I havent found one either

21:50 <MTughan> lol

21:50 <PovAddict> PLUCKER

21:50 <Tank_Master> :

21:50 <PovAddict>

21:50 <Romulus> Title: Plucker: The best HTML and ebook reader for Palm and Windows mobile devices (at

21:50 <PovAddict> THAT WAS IT

21:51 <Tank_Master> (-:

21:51 <Tank_Master> (-:

21:51 <Tank_Master> hats off to ya

21:54 <PovAddict> 15 secs remaining for download

21:55 <Tank_Master> MT, where you going to release any work today?

21:55 <PovAddict> installing

21:55 <MTughan> Tank_Master: What?

21:55 <PovAddict> MTughan:  doesn't have a project

21:55 <Tank_Master> oh

21:55 <PovAddict> ...stupid tab completion trying to be smart adding a colon

21:55 <MTughan> Maybe you're thinking of mweltin.

21:55 <Tank_Master> I was thinkin of mweltin

21:55 <Tank_Master> sorry :P

21:56 <BadBarbarian> :-)

21:56 <MTughan> 'lo BB

21:56 <Tank_Master> funny, you didnt say anything on our team, BB

21:56 <Tank_Master> ;)

21:58 <PovAddict> hmm

21:58 <BadBarbarian> lo back at ya

21:58 <PovAddict> does my Palm have 256 colors or not o_O

21:58 <BadBarbarian> yes

22:00 <BadBarbarian> hmmm i will have to change that

22:00 <BadBarbarian> nitey night for me later ya'll

22:00 <Tank_Master> gn

22:00 <MTughan> Night.

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22:12 <PovAddict> 662KB, nice

22:12 <Tank_Master> and now its quiet

22:13 <wdsmia> &quiet

22:13 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers

22:13 <Tank_Master> its night now though

22:13 <wdsmia> its day somewhere in the world

22:14 <Tank_Master> theres the man I was looking for earlyer!

22:14 <Tank_Master> I hope

22:14 <Tank_Master> nope

22:14 <PovAddict> omg

22:14 <PovAddict> where's the cam

22:14 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:15 <PovAddict> I wonder if a webcam will work without having to go through driver-sh!t

22:15 <MTughan> In XP, should.

22:20 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do you need the Ubuntu AMD64 DVD and CD ISOs anymore?

22:20 <PovAddict> no

22:20 <MTughan> Okay, good.

22:21 <PovAddict> can you imagine a page like this on a PDA?

22:21 <Romulus> <> (at

22:21 <PovAddict> 160x160 screen

22:21 <Tank_Master> LOL

22:21 <PovAddict> I even get the graphics! (thumbnail on the page, scrollable full view when clicking it)

22:21 <Tank_Master> not really

22:22 <PovAddict> when I click a graphic it hangs for like 5 seconds loading it

22:22 <Tank_Master> at least it works

22:22 <MTughan> PovAddict: Thanks, that freed up about 5GB.

22:22 <Tank_Master> nice

22:22 <PovAddict> heh

22:22 <PovAddict> now defrag

22:22 <PovAddict> err

22:23 * PovAddict tries to clear that Windows thought from his mind

22:23 <MTughan> OS X doesn't come with any defragging utils.

22:23 <Tank_Master> huh

22:24 <MTughan> There is a program that comes with one, but I don't have it.

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22:25 <Tank_Master> wb

22:26 <PovAddict> gone to sleep

22:26 <MTughan> Bye.

22:26 <Tank_Master> gn

22:26 <PovAddict> ...pure lies

22:26 <mweltin> bye

22:26 <MTughan> lol

22:26 <PovAddict> gone read about J2EE patterns on a 2 inch screen

22:26 <PovAddict> from bed

22:27 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:27 <Tank_Master> hf

22:27 <PovAddict> I wish the text was antialiased...

22:27 <Tank_Master> mw, were ya gonna release work today?

22:28 <PovAddict> on this kind of screen, text would look a LOT better with sub-pixel antialiasing

22:28 <Tank_Master> true

22:28 <mweltin> Tank_Master: yes

22:29 <Tank_Master> co

22:29 <mweltin> I'm not sure the app I got for the 32 bit is working.

22:29 <mweltin> I just got home and started testing it now.

22:29 <Tank_Master> I can test, as well as the 64bit one

22:29 <Tank_Master> sounds good

22:29 <mweltin> its in the process list, but returned to the command promopt when I ran it.

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22:30 <PovAddict> weird

22:30 <mweltin> So I think its running

22:30 <PovAddict> using CPU?

22:30 <mweltin> the task manager says so.

22:30 <mweltin> in fact its using all of it.

22:30 <mweltin> 99%

22:30 <Tank_Master> multi CPU?

22:30 <Tank_Master> err core

22:31 <Tank_Master> or 99% of one core?

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22:44 <Tank_Master> clone?

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22:45 <mweltin_> so Crunch3r must have forked off the process.  Its working fine.

22:45 <mweltin_> I saw a work_state file produced by the checkpoint

22:46 <mweltin_> I started running it at 4:39 so if its done by 5:30 I'll be happy.

22:46 <PovAddict> forking off is of no real importance as long as *some* process attaches to the shared memory block the core client told it to, and crunches :)

22:46 <PovAddict> gone ->

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22:52 <Tank_Master> mw, do you have a 64bit windows box?

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22:53 <mweltin_> LOL Tank_Master I run a boinc project off of a IBM T40, and that is my good box.  The other is a Inspiron 600m.

22:54 <mweltin_> 64 bit lol, that kills me.

22:54 <MTughan> I know Pov has one.

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22:55 <Tank_Master> I have 6

22:55 <Tank_Master> 5 P4s and one core2

22:56 <MTughan> P4s aren't 64-bit, as I know.

22:56 <Tank_Master> they either run xp x64 or server 2008 RCo x64

22:56 <mweltin_> I'll have to check my HR I think I set it to coarse.

22:56 <mweltin_> but I could up that to fine, given this.

22:56 <Tank_Master> the 5x1, 600 and 900 series are

22:57 <mweltin_> Crunch3r was very kind, even offered to do some other platforms.

22:57 <Tank_Master> yes, he is

22:57 <mweltin_> svn is a top priority now.

22:57 <Tank_Master> he;s working on a intel MAC app

22:58 <mweltin_> given my limited computing power it would be a great help to me if others could build this app for different platforms.

22:58 <MTughan> I can do that for Mac.

22:58 <mweltin_> I'm a little nervous about just letting anyone do it.

22:58 <mweltin_> for now I'll use this group as a filter.

22:58 <Tank_Master> He's built an itanium and spark app for APS as well

22:58 <mweltin_> MTughan: that would be wonderful.

22:59 <Tank_Master> MT, bith intel an PPC?

22:59 <Tank_Master> both*

22:59 <MTughan> I can do both.

22:59 <mweltin_> It uses expat.

22:59 <mweltin_> do you have that MTughan

22:59 <MTughan> And I have thta.

22:59 <MTughan> that*

23:00 <mweltin_> I assume dirent is on mac's as well.

23:00 <Tank_Master> cus Zombie was asking cruncher if he can, but crunch3r hasnt built a PPC app before

23:00 <mweltin_> I had to find a port for windows.

23:00 <MTughan> I'll have to check for dirent.

23:00 <mweltin_> should be standard I think, but I have no idea.

23:01 <Tank_Master> and do you have any idea if a different app for OSX 10.5 is requiered

23:01 <Tank_Master> given that they are now using linux instead of BSD

23:01 <MTughan> Maybe, but I doubt it.

23:02 <mweltin_> NO WAY!

23:02 <mweltin_> mac gave up on BSD?

23:02 <Tank_Master> I know the BOINC client had to change, but because of the security differences

23:02 <Tank_Master> yep

23:02 <MTughan> I didn't hear that either.

23:02 <mweltin_> I didn't konw that.

23:02 <Tank_Master> I forget the distro, but its a main one, like redhat

23:02 <Tank_Master> though dont quote me on the redhat part

23:02 <mweltin_> I wonder what caused that, more linux developers than BSD ones?

23:03 <Tank_Master> probably more opensorce, more apps, ect

23:03 <mweltin_> Nothing good ever came out of berkely anyway. (I kid I kid)

23:03 <Tank_Master> haha

23:03 <Tank_Master> lots would agrea with you, especually on the SETI side.. ;)

23:03 <mweltin_> oh irony how I love you so.

23:05 <Tank_Master> mweltin_ are you going to release an app in the 1/2 hr?

23:06 <Tank_Master> I was gonna take a short break and watch something recorded

23:06 <mweltin_> yes

23:06 <Tank_Master> or work rather

23:06 <Tank_Master> if what crunch3r gave you works, are you going to release it to everyone?

23:07 <Tank_Master> so just some people?

23:07 <mweltin_> everyone

23:07 <Tank_Master> I alreay have it on most of my P4s

23:07 <Tank_Master> coo, so I wont have to do anything

23:07 <mweltin_> nice

23:07 <mweltin_> thank you

23:07 <Tank_Master> np

23:07 <mweltin_> I drop 500 or so WU's.

23:08 <Tank_Master> I cna get most of the P3s rather quick, but it doesnt sound like I need to

23:08 <Tank_Master> server status page hasnt updated in 7 min, and so it still shows no tasks

23:09 <mweltin_> yeah I'm waiting unitl the app is done running.  I'm going to get a .sig file for it and have it all ready to go.

23:10 <Tank_Master> makes since

23:11 <mweltin_> PovAddict: was getting great results with mingw.

23:11 <mweltin_> I'm still having trouble getting it to compile boinc.

23:11 <MTughan> Do you want me to start working on your application? I'm finished off with Gimp for a while.

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23:13 <mweltin_> Sure that would be great.  As I recall there is a self extracting zip file at

23:13 <mweltin_> I can make a tar ball if you perfer.

23:13 <Tank_Master> sounds sticky

23:13 <MTughan> mweltin_: That's a Windows binary.

23:14 <MTughan> Actually, I have Wine, so it might work...

23:14 <mweltin_> its the source zipped up

23:14 <mweltin_> I'll make a tar for you.

23:14 <MTughan> TAR or ZIP.

23:14 <Tank_Master> yes

23:15 <mweltin_> tar.gz

23:15 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

23:15 <Tank_Master> my eyes need rest ;)

23:15 <MTughan> lol

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23:17 <mweltin_> I know I can untar and unzip with the tar commnad but can I tar and zip with it to?

23:18 <MTughan> tar and gunzip? "tar -zcf"

23:18 <MTughan> The -z flag.

23:18 <MTughan> -j for bunzip if you have it.

23:19 <mweltin_> I had the switches in the wrong order

23:19 <mweltin_> -cfz didn't work to well.

23:19 <MTughan> lol

23:19 <mweltin_> seems odd, like it shouldn't matter the order they are in.

23:19 <MTughan> -f has to be last.

23:19 <MTughan> -z -c and -v if you have it, order doesn't matter.

23:20 <mweltin_> ok htt:// should be there

23:21 <MTughan> Downloaded.

23:21 <mweltin_> Crunch3r did it well.  It finished on my box in less than an hour.

23:21 <mweltin_> I'll sign them and up them up.

23:21 <mweltin_> I don't need the HR anymore but I'm going to keep it for now.

23:22 <MTughan> Seemed to extract fine.

23:22 <mweltin_> cool

23:22 <mweltin_> oh, you have to build the stuff in lib first.

23:22 <mweltin_> then BruteForce.

23:22 <MTughan> Okay.

23:22 <MTughan> I'll just try Intel libraries for now.

23:22 <mweltin_> I don't have a cool Makefile gnubuild tools deal.

23:23 <MTughan> So just compile all the files in lib, then BruteForce. Compile them into applications?

23:24 <mweltin_> BruteForce is the app

23:24 <mweltin_> lib just has a parser and some other common functions.

23:24 <MTughan> So what do I do with lib then?

23:25 <MTughan> Oh, just compile into object files.

23:25 <mweltin_> the Make file in BruteForce will reference all the *.o's in lib.

23:25 <mweltin_> yes

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23:27 <mweltin_> Tank_Master: I'm goign to change the version number.  Not sure if that effects you.

23:27 <MTughan> For BruteForce, use the Makefile?

23:28 <mweltin_> You will have to edit it.  I used the prefix /boinc when I run configure in the boinc src, so your boinc libs are not where mine are.

23:29 <MTughan> Yeah, just noticed that.

23:35 <mweltin_> I'm so excited!

23:35 <mweltin_> this is really going to work this time.

23:35 <mweltin_> yeah me!

23:36 <MTughan> Great... I know I have the BOINC headers somewhere because I build an application for PovAddict, but I don't remember where they are. :P

23:36 <mweltin_> This has been a great day, a top three dive, and a bunch of new platforms.

23:37 <MTughan> Theoretically, I could do Linux app too, because I have a Linux VM here.

23:37 <MTughan> Which I run tsp off of right now. :P

23:37 <mweltin_> and I just checked, the last set of workunits all had canonical results.

23:38 <mweltin_> you should at least leave something for me to build.

23:38 <MTughan> Ah, you can take Windows 32-bit.

23:38 <mweltin_> next time I'll strip the app first.

23:38 <mweltin_> LOL we already figured out I was not good at that.

23:38 <MTughan> Oh...

23:39 <MTughan> Well, that's the only platform you have. I have Intel Mac, PPC Mac, Windows x86, and Linux x86.

23:39 <MTughan> Because gcc on Intel can build for both PPC and Intel. Probably the same for gcc on PPC.

23:43 <mweltin_> oopss sig verification failed.

23:48 <mweltin_> dose the boinc app keep checking the sig file?

23:49 <mweltin_> or do I have to run update_versions or something?

23:56 <MTughan> WTF? "libtool: link: cannot find the library `'"

23:56 <MTughan> Rebuilding the BOINC APIs.

23:56 <MTughan> Actually, they're probably updated... I should grab the latest copies.

23:57 <mweltin_> wtf?

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