IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2007-11-10

00:00 <pattern> well, looks like on gentoo boinc_gui expects its skins to be in /var/lib/boinc/skins

00:00 <pattern> but even though i can select a new skin in boinc_gui's simple view, once i've installed the skin in /var/lib/boinc/skins, the simple view does not change its appearance

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01:10 <Tank_Master> wb z

01:11 <zombie67> hello

01:11 <Tank_Master> you gettin tsp apps on your mac?

01:11 <zombie67> yep

01:11 <Tank_Master> cool

01:12 <zombie67> when thre don't fail DL

01:12 <Tank_Master> I thingk the windows apps are still giving sig failiers, but I may have found the prob

01:12 <zombie67> -

01:12 <zombie67> -

01:12 <zombie67> grr

01:12 <zombie67>

01:12 <Tank_Master> you getting md5 issues or sig error on the app?

01:12 <Romulus> <$BC> (at

01:12 <zombie67> there we go

01:13 <zombie67>   <error_message>MD5 check failed</error_message>

01:13 <zombie67> this was about 4pm today

01:14 <Tank_Master> they dont have any more work now :(

01:14 <zombie67> right now, not getting any errors since I hit the limit

01:14 <zombie67> Results ready to send867

01:14 <Tank_Master> 11/9/2007 10:13:10 PM|traveling salesman problem|Message from server: No work sent

01:14 <Tank_Master> 11/9/2007 10:13:10 PM|traveling salesman problem|Deferring communication for 1 min 0 sec

01:14 <Tank_Master> 11/9/2007 10:13:10 PM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project

01:15 <zombie67> conflicting status

01:15 <Tank_Master> you know about the sig problem for windows?

01:15 <zombie67> Oh!  Just got more work

01:15 <zombie67> I think I saw that error too.

01:16 <zombie67> ah!

01:16 <Tank_Master> its pointing to the wrong app

01:16 <zombie67> changed per day limit to per host limt

01:16 <zombie67> so only 8 per host at a time

01:17 <zombie67> Fri Nov  9 22:15:46 2007|Milkyway@home|Message from server: (reached per-host limit of 8 tasks)

01:17 <Tank_Master> a good way to do it

01:17 <Tank_Master> so one host dosent get tones

01:17 <zombie67> wait, wrong project

01:17 <zombie67> d'oh!

01:17 <Tank_Master> oh

01:17 <Tank_Master> hhaha, yes it it

01:19 <zombie67> sorry, MW is causing major pains

01:19 <zombie67> Fri Nov  9 22:15:46 2007|Milkyway@home|Message from server: (reached per-host limit of 8 tasks)

01:19 <zombie67> grr, I keep forgetting I can't copy/paste with boincmgr.  have to use stupid button

01:20 <zombie67> Fri Nov  9 22:18:16 2007|traveling salesman problem|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 8 results)

01:20 <zombie67> so it looks like he has 2 per CPU, up to 4 CPUs.

01:20 <zombie67> MW keeps having DL tasks getting stuck

01:21 <zombie67> requires constant scrubbing of transfers tab

01:21 <Tank_Master> n/m, I wasnt getting work because I had the app_info.xml in there

01:21 <zombie67> well, when you do start getting work, frequently, you will get tasks stuck DL

01:22 <zombie67> and it won't ask for more to be DL with a task being DL

01:24 <zombie67> 489k @ simap.  Another couple of days, and I can start cranking up POEM, lieden, sztaki, and NQueens

01:24 <Tank_Master> wate.. I tricked it into useing the app...

01:24 <Tank_Master> YES!

01:24 <Tank_Master> I got the 64bit app to run!!

01:25 <Tank_Master> that was funny

01:26 <Tank_Master> I downloaded the app normally, got the sum error.

01:26 <zombie67> gotta go.  bbl

01:27 <Tank_Master> stoped BOINC the set up the app_info.xml to point to it, but didnt get any work and the current WU aborted

01:27 <Tank_Master> then I went back w/i the xml and it accepted the exicutable

01:27 <Tank_Master> ok, hf ;)

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01:46 <Tank_Master> welcome

01:47 <yoyo[RKN]> morning

01:47 <Tank_Master> haha

01:47 <Tank_Master> its 10:45pm here

01:47 <Tank_Master> I got tsp to work witht he win app

01:47 <yoyo[RKN]> 7:45 am here

01:55 <Tank_Master> man o man

01:55 <Tank_Master> you know that problem with the sig error TSP is having with the win app?

01:56 <yoyo[RKN]> i read it in the forum, but do not know what is wrong

01:56 <yoyo[RKN]> I never had it on my project

01:56 <yoyo[RKN]> signatures are always created automatic

01:57 <Tank_Master> if you look in the client.xml file, you can see app version 204 is looking for tsp.2.03.exe

01:57 <Tank_Master> so I think thats the prob, its looking att he wrong app

01:57 <Tank_Master> But, i found a way around it

01:57 <Tank_Master> not easy though

01:58 <Tank_Master> you download the app and have it error out, but dont report it so it dosent get deleted

01:58 <Tank_Master> stop BOINC and cread the app_info.xml to use the app you just downloaded as an annonimous platform

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01:59 <yoyo[RKN]> app_info should be created on the server automatic by update_versions and the content of the apps directory

01:59 <Tank_Master> but you cant get any work like tiat, so next you sto BOINC again and just remove the app_info.xml

01:59 <Tank_Master> then BOINC dosent recheck the sig on the file and just uses it normally

02:00 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm

02:00 <Tank_Master> it would appeear that the sig is only checked when its d/led and then usinf the xml clears the setting that the app is bad

02:00 <Tank_Master> and when you go back to normal, it dosent recheck the sig on the app

02:00 <yoyo[RKN]> there is a option to check the sig also on client start

02:01 <Tank_Master> dosent seem to be doing it right now

02:01 <Tank_Master> but thats interesting to know its there

02:02 <yoyo[RKN]> from trac:

02:02 <yoyo[RKN]> verify_files_on_app_start

02:02 <yoyo[RKN]>     Before starting or restarting an app, check contents of input files and app version files by either MD5 or digital signature check. Detects user tampering with file (but doesn't really increase security, since user could also change MD5s or signatures in client state file).

02:03 <yoyo[RKN]> but i think it only checks and creates errors

02:03 <Tank_Master> so, then why isnt it rechecking it?

02:03 <Tank_Master> I am using 6.1.0, so it might be broke

02:03 <yoyo[RKN]> Markus did not set this option

02:03 <Tank_Master> ahhh, ok

02:04 <yoyo[RKN]> it's an option of the project config.xml

02:04 <Tank_Master> something on the server side?

02:04 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

02:04 <Tank_Master> ok, makes since then

02:05 <Tank_Master> crap, I got a circut at work down

02:05 <Tank_Master> there goes 7 P4s

02:06 <yoyo[RKN]> tsp can also have a different problem which leads to a sig fault

02:06 <Tank_Master> oh?

02:06 <yoyo[RKN]> if files for the application have the same name on win and linux, one overwrites the other and produces sig faults

02:06 <Tank_Master> ahh, :P

02:07 <Tank_Master> tsp_2.04_windows_x86_64.exe is the win app name

02:07 <Tank_Master> so Im assuming the linux would be different

02:07 <yoyo[RKN]> but maybe there are other files which are needed for the app

02:08 <Tank_Master> but like I aid earlyier, its configed for app version 204 to use file named tsp_2.03_windows_x86_64.exe

02:08 <Tank_Master> same as version 203

02:08 <yoyo[RKN]> strange

02:08 <Tank_Master> yet its downloading tsp_2.04_windows_x86_64.exe

02:09 <yoyo[RKN]> in my application I have a job.xml with different content for different OS but it had the same name

02:09 <Tank_Master> so I wonder if somehow its checking the sig for the 2.03 againce the downloaded 2.04 and failing

02:10 <Tank_Master> but in all reality, I really dont know

02:10 <Tank_Master> its just a gess

02:10 <Tank_Master> takes 11 min for it to run

02:10 <Tank_Master> on a core2duo in 64bit mode

02:10 <yoyo[RKN]> ups, fast

02:11 <Tank_Master> and I already reached the daily quota of 10

02:11 <Tank_Master> itll take me several hours to get this working on all my comps at work remotly

02:13 <yoyo[RKN]> let me check what I'm downloading

02:14 <Soul_keeper> as if lead paint wasn't bad enough, the chinese are feeding our kids toys that metabolize into the ghp date rape drug or whatever

02:15 <Romulus> compile on a regular basis but then the estimated time way off today

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02:18 <yoyo[RKN]> reached daily quota of 2 ;)

02:19 <Tank_Master> not getting any more?

02:19 <Tank_Master> theres a way around that ya know ;)

02:19 <yoyo[RKN]> no need for it

02:19 <Tank_Master> :)

02:19 <yoyo[RKN]> have enough projects

02:19 <Tank_Master> true

02:22 <yoyo[RKN]> but in projects folder I have the 2.04 windows exe

02:25 <Tank_Master> yes

02:25 <Tank_Master> now in your client.xml in the root BOINC

02:25 <Tank_Master> client_state.xml

02:25 <Tank_Master> sorry

02:25 <Tank_Master> search for TSP

02:26 <Romulus> and here i am done for tonight - going to 'jog' it - I have a shell script and do daily checks bbl

02:26 <Tank_Master> then in the section just below that were it is talking about the files for the project

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> <app_version>

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]>     <app_name>tsp</app_name>

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]>     <version_num>204</version_num>

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]>     <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]>     <file_ref>

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]>         <file_name>tsp_2.04_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]>         <main_program/>

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]>     </file_ref>

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> </app_version>

02:27 <Tank_Master> opk, so it looks like it may be fixed now...

02:27 <Tank_Master> ok*

02:27 <Tank_Master> it was saying  <file_name>tsp_2.03_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>

02:28 <Tank_Master> even though the version_num wa 204

02:28 <Tank_Master> was*

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02:28 <yoyo[RKN]>

02:28 <Romulus> Title: Please log in (at

02:29 <yoyo[RKN]> oh

02:29 <Tank_Master> Unable to handle request

02:29 <yoyo[RKN]>

02:29 <Romulus> <$Bi> (at

02:30 <yoyo[RKN]> error with the wu

02:30 <Tank_Master> yeah, most everyone is getting that on windows

02:32 <yoyo[RKN]> also foreach wu, the filenames must be unique

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03:09 <Tank_Master> well, tsp just ran out of work, so I am heading to bed ;)

03:10 <Tank_Master> 11/10/2007 12:08:43 AM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project

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03:13 <Tank_Master> hiya z

03:13 <zombie67> back

03:13 <Tank_Master> tsp is now out of work

03:14 <Tank_Master> 11/10/2007 12:08:43 AM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project

03:14 <zombie67> Results ready to send794

03:14 <Tank_Master> on one comp?

03:14 <zombie67> From their web site

03:14 <Tank_Master> or r u talkin about on their server

03:14 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

03:15 <Tank_Master> yeah

03:15 <Tank_Master> 11/10/2007 12:08:43 AM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project

03:15 <Tank_Master> might just meen I cant get those because I alredy tryed and failed

03:16 <Tank_Master> and it looks like I got 2 circuts down in the classoom now

03:16 <zombie67> circuts?  power or netework?

03:16 <Tank_Master> power

03:17 <zombie67> power burp here today, just enough to dim the lights....and cause half the machines to reboot.

03:17 <Tank_Master> that takes out the 3 you gave me, 3 other P4s, a PD 2.0 and around 20 -25 P3s

03:18 <Tank_Master> 2.8*

03:18 <Tank_Master> thats gonna hurt tomorrow

03:18 <zombie67> ouch!  cause?

03:19 <Tank_Master> dunno, probably overload

03:19 <Tank_Master> oh, I found a way to get TSP to work on my windows

03:19 <zombie67> better than a janitor flipping a switch

03:19 <Tank_Master> haha

03:19 <Tank_Master> yeah

03:20 <zombie67> how?

03:20 <zombie67> cosmo & LHC are down

03:20 <Tank_Master> his app takes 11 min +/- 5sec on my core2duo @ 3.07

03:20 <Tank_Master> long story

03:20 <Tank_Master> I saw I had some WUs wating to report to lhc

03:21 <Tank_Master> basicly, you know of the app_info.xml?

03:21 <zombie67> si

03:21 <Tank_Master> I added that in there to point to the app, restarted BOINC to pick it up, then deleted it and restarted BOINC again to go back to normal

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03:22 <Tank_Master> it then didnt recheck the sig on the app

03:22 <Tank_Master> so it ran fine

03:22 <zombie67> Pov has a trick to get around server limits

03:22 <Tank_Master> but I hit a max of 10

03:22 <Tank_Master> I got around the quota to

03:23 <Tank_Master> but now there no work, so no point

03:23 <zombie67> there is work

03:23 <quail> evening all, how are we all?

03:23 <Tank_Master> oh wate, I was just handed more!

03:23 <Tank_Master> not bad

03:23 <zombie67> Results ready to send795

03:24 <Tank_Master> Ive gotten a handfull, but not meny

03:24 <Tank_Master> and the quota of 10 isnt helping

03:24 <zombie67> hi quail

03:24 <zombie67> quota of 10?

03:25 <Tank_Master> the server only sends out 10 per day

03:25 <zombie67> the limit is 2 per core, 4 cores max

03:25 <Tank_Master> that only if you fail meny times on download

03:25 <Tank_Master> its actually 5 per core

03:25 <zombie67> grrr

03:25 <Tank_Master> but if you fail a d/l, then it get reduced

03:26 <Tank_Master> and increases when good WUs

03:26 <Tank_Master> so 10 was for dual core

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03:27 <Tank_Master> how long did the app take on your MAC?

03:29 <zombie67>

03:29 <Romulus> <$BC> (at

03:29 <zombie67> 663 sec

03:29 <Tank_Master> bout the same

03:30 <zombie67> same as?

03:30 <Tank_Master> mine

03:30 <zombie67> you have a mac?

03:30 <Tank_Master> no

03:30 <Tank_Master> my win x64 core2

03:30 <Tank_Master> Im assuming yours is a core2 mac?

03:31 <zombie67> ah, the one at 3.07?

03:31 <Tank_Master> yeah

03:31 <zombie67> that mac is a dual Xeon 5365 (3.0ghz)

03:31 <Tank_Master> 659-675sec

03:32 <zombie67> the mac apps should be the fastes of all the stock apps

03:32 <Tank_Master> 3 are at 659

03:32 <zombie67> eventually

03:32 <Tank_Master> what fsb is that?

03:32 <Tank_Master> 1333?

03:32 <zombie67> I convinced them that since there is no legacy processors to support, they should have all the SSE,2,3 turned on.

03:33 <zombie67> lemme check

03:33 <zombie67> yes

03:33 <Tank_Master> thought so

03:33 <zombie67> but also FB DIMMs

03:34 <zombie67> so that can slow things down compared to DDR2

03:34 <Tank_Master> mine is only 1228

03:35 <Tank_Master> but the DDR2 is set with 3/3/3 timmings

03:35 <zombie67> slowest machine of mine to return a result:

03:35 <Romulus> <$CC> (at

03:35 <Tank_Master> I got some kingston hyperX 800 that I am running at 614MHz

03:35 <zombie67> 3011 sec, a G4 running 1.25ghz

03:36 <zombie67> memory timings baffle me

03:36 <Tank_Master> the lower the number, the fewer cycles pass before the information is returned back to the processor

03:36 <zombie67> yes, I understand lower = faster

03:37 <Tank_Master> lol

03:37 <zombie67> anything beyond that is jibberish

03:38 <zombie67> redskins or eagles Sunday?

03:38 <zombie67> are you on the email lists for boinc?

03:39 <Tank_Master> the boinc_alpha

03:40 <zombie67> I am also on the project and dev lists

03:41 <zombie67> saenger spanked DA pretty good, for good reason, and was ignored

03:44 <zombie67> this channel will not all private conversations.

03:45 <Tank_Master> not unless your nic is registered

03:46 <zombie67> how does one regester it?

03:50 <Tank_Master> oh I forget he command

03:50 <Tank_Master> the*

03:50 <Tank_Master> wasnt hard, just one line for the command then e-mail then password

03:52 <Tank_Master> then when you connect to the server you type in "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY password"

03:52 <zombie67> \/msg

03:52 <Tank_Master> core "password" is whatever you set in the previous command

03:52 <zombie67> alsdkj

03:52 <Tank_Master> lol

03:52 <zombie67> hrm

03:53 <Tank_Master> im getttin tiered to, thinkin its not worth hacking the rest of my P3s to get to have work

03:53 <zombie67> before you go

03:53 <Tank_Master> ya?

03:53 <zombie67> the string you gave

03:54 <Tank_Master> ?

03:54 <zombie67> the only word I replace is password for my own password?

03:54 <Tank_Master> yes

03:54 <Tank_Master> but thats after you figure out the first command

03:54 <Tank_Master> its in the help files somewhere

03:54 <zombie67> from then on, I need to provide that password if I want to use my nick?

03:55 <Tank_Master> yes

03:55 <zombie67> got it

03:55 <zombie67> thanks!

03:55 <Tank_Master> and before you join a room

03:55 <Tank_Master> I set it in the "perform

03:55 <Tank_Master> " button in mIRC

03:55 <zombie67> you no se mirc

03:56 <Tank_Master> ?

03:56 <zombie67> im on a mac

03:56 <zombie67> I am not using mIRC

03:56 <zombie67> I'll get there

03:57 <Tank_Master> ahh, but there still should be something that you can enter in commands to run when you open the irc program

03:57 <Tank_Master> like so you can autojoin a room

03:57 <zombie67> right.  new client, still learning it

03:57 <zombie67> I used to do all this command line

03:57 <zombie67> gui is still a learning process for me

03:57 <Tank_Master> hehe

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03:59 <zombie67> mercy

03:59 <Tank_Master> ?

03:59 <zombie67> tried to bring up a new window for the server, it automatically attached me to this channel too

03:59 <Tank_Master> hehe

04:00 <zombie67> may need to turn off auto join, register, then back on

04:00 <Tank_Master> yep

04:01 <zombie67> okay, I'll say goodnight now.  I may be poping in and out.....

04:01 <Tank_Master> put in the command to register BEFORE the command to join

04:01 <Tank_Master> it wont work right the other way around

04:01 <zombie67> got it.

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04:04 <Tank_Master> wb

04:04 <zombie67> still here?

04:04 <zombie67> no go

04:04 <zombie67> I did the command string you gave me, "The nickname [zombie67] is not registered"

04:05 <Tank_Master> you need to register it first

04:05 <zombie67> I thought that is what I was doing

04:05 <Tank_Master> that command you enter in AFTER you register

04:05 <zombie67> how do I register?

04:05 <Tank_Master> look in the help

04:05 <zombie67> sigh

04:05 <Tank_Master> I dont remember right off

04:06 <zombie67> there is no register command

04:10 <freelarry> ? /msg nickserv for help on registering your name

04:11 <zombie67> Usage: MSG <nick> <message>, sends a private message

04:12 <zombie67> ? /msg nickserv

04:12 <zombie67> ?

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04:12 <freelarry> yeah try /msg nickserv help register

04:12 * CoderForLife wonders why IRC was offline again

04:12 <zombie67> !

04:12 <freelarry> mre than you ever want to know

04:13 <CoderForLife> morning

04:13 <freelarry> morn CoderForLife

04:13 <zombie67> help register

04:13 <zombie67> grrr

04:13 * CoderForLife sniffs the air, tentatively

04:13 <CoderForLife> seems like there's enough oxygen to support life

04:14 <freelarry> zombie67 try "/msg nickserv help register"

04:14 <Tank_Master> its "/msg nickserv register password"

04:14 <freelarry> minus the quotes

04:14 <Tank_Master> well, change "password" for your own

04:14 <freelarry> ahh i was going to let him read thru the help message

04:14 <zombie67> yes, and that gave me tips, but not the commands to actually register

04:15 <Tank_Master> try mine

04:15 <freelarry> yes it does as Tank_Master master has said

04:15 <freelarry> it will register your current nick in use

04:15 <zombie67> REGISTER :Unknown command

04:16 <Tank_Master> do it in the server window, not here

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04:16 <Tank_Master> also you dont need to leave

04:16 <CoderForLife> lol

04:16 <Tank_Master> ugg

04:16 <Tank_Master> was gonna tell him to set the e-mail

04:17 <Tank_Master>

04:17 <Romulus> Title: freenode: frequently-asked questions (at

04:17 <freelarry> -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password>

04:17 <Tank_Master> I hate bots

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04:17 <Tank_Master> wb

04:17 <Tank_Master>

04:17 <Romulus> Title: freenode: frequently-asked questions (at

04:17 <Tank_Master> I hate bots

04:17 <zombie67> nope, didn't work there either

04:17 <Tank_Master> did for me

04:18 <zombie67> REGISTER :Unknown command

04:18 <zombie67> register :Unknown command

04:18 <zombie67> ah!

04:18 <Tank_Master> when you connect to this server, you get a window

04:18 <Tank_Master> and another window for the room

04:18 <freelarry> humm worked for me - came back telling me i'm already registered

04:18 <zombie67> the web site has differnt instructions

04:19 <Tank_Master> the website is what I used

04:19 <Tank_Master> and reported here

04:19 <Tank_Master> reposted*

04:19 <zombie67> "/msg nickserv help register" says "Syntax: REGISTER <password>"

04:19 <Tank_Master> ahh

04:19 <zombie67> web site says "/msg nickserv register <your-password>"

04:20 <Tank_Master> but I posted "/msg nickserv register password"

04:20 <Tank_Master> :P

04:20 <zombie67> hmmm

04:20 <zombie67> but that didn't work.  let me try again.

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04:21 <Tank_Master> ehh, well, its late

04:21 <Tank_Master> almost 1:30 AM

04:21 <Tank_Master> so im outa here

04:21 <CoderForLife> cya

04:22 <freelarry> &nn Tank_Master

04:22 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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04:22 <Tank_Master> I hate bots

04:22 <zombie_67> how do I tell if it worked?

04:22 <freelarry> zombie_67 once you register try /msg nickserv identify password

04:23 <freelarry> messages should appear in the server window

04:23 <zombie_67> The nickname [zombie67] is not registered

04:24 <zombie_67> can't pm either

04:24 <freelarry> what are you using for chat?

04:24 <freelarry> i'm on mirc

04:24 <freelarry> no pm until registered

04:24 <zombie_67> X-Chat Aqua

04:25 <freelarry> not familiar with it

04:25 <Tank_Master> did you use the identify command before joining the room?

04:25 <Tank_Master> but after the server

04:25 <freelarry> mirc has a server window and room window

04:25 <zombie_67> can't PM you back , TM

04:25 <Tank_Master> huh

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04:26 <Tank_Master> im outa here

04:26 <freelarry> k

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04:27 <freelarry> lookst of zombie_67 problem may be his use of http

04:28 <zombie_67> may have worked a second time, different response this time

04:28 <zombie_67> brb

04:28 <freelarry> nope CoderForLife uses http also so not that

04:28 <freelarry> k

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04:29 <CoderForLife> hmm?

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04:30 <freelarry> whois shows you identified also

04:30 <zombie67> the nesxt step in the faq says "Add a valid email address to your primary nickserv entry so that we have a way to reset your password,"

04:30 <zombie67> but no instructions on how

04:31 * freelarry scratches head and tries to remember but think it was in the tools section options

04:31 <zombie67> all this stuff should be accessable via command line

04:33 <zombie67> going to quit/restart client to make sure it really works.

04:33 <zombie67> brb

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04:37 <zombie67> can anyone see me?

04:38 <freelarry> your in the room

04:38 <freelarry> and identified

04:38 <zombie67> thanks for all the help

04:39 <freelarry> well time for me to say

04:39 <freelarry> &nn all

04:39 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

04:40 <zombie67> night!

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05:50 <quail> evening all, how are we all?

05:53 <CoderForLife> morning

05:53 <quail> hey Don, how are you?

05:54 <CoderForLife> well, a careful inspection reveals all parts are accounted for, so I guess I'm OK

05:55 <CoderForLife> aside from the crazy "wake up at 400am on Saturday" thing

05:57 * CoderForLife continues his development of the new workflow system for change control for w@#%

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06:11 <quail> kewl, what have you planned for the weekend there?

06:14 <CoderForLife> this one is scary - plink

06:15 <freelarry> soviet intellengence?

06:17 <CoderForLife> um - that's what I infer it says...

06:18 <freelarry> another oxymorn like naval intellegence

06:18 <CoderForLife> 1913 attempts to get into my FTP service this morning

06:19 <freelarry> brute force attack?

06:19 <CoderForLife> when was the Bolshevik revolution?

06:19 <freelarry> hummm

06:19 <freelarry> &google Bolshevik revolution

06:19 <Romulus> freelarry: Search took 0.14 seconds: October Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Bolshevik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Bolshevik Revolution : 1917: <>; The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early ...: (2 more messages)

06:20 <CoderForLife> ah 1917

06:20 <CoderForLife> I thought "1913" was close...

06:20 <freelarry> so did i

06:20 <CoderForLife> they tried 1913 different passwords for Administrator

06:20 <Romulus> yeah that neat the way the linux version

06:20 <freelarry> lol then got tired

06:21 <freelarry> maybe you need to rule the attempts before blocking ip for some minutes

06:21 <CoderForLife> I am running ossec, and it is doing exactly that

06:22 <freelarry> thought i saw something in one of these linux magazines ahh

06:22 <CoderForLife> it blocks for 15 minutes

06:22 <CoderForLife> then at the top of the next hour, the attacks start again

06:22 <freelarry> how many attempts before it blocks?

06:22 <CoderForLife> I don't remember off-hand

06:22 <freelarry> ohh they bot'ing it

06:23 <freelarry> and brute forcing

06:24 <CoderForLife> hmm

06:25 <CoderForLife> my cfg may not be working

06:25 <CoderForLife> I had changed the active response from the defautl of 600 sec to 5400 sec

06:26 <CoderForLife> should block that next hour, unless they come back looking different

06:28 <CoderForLife> wow - the IP address puts it in St. Petersburg

06:32 <CoderForLife> about time for the Saturday morning errands - post office, gasoline, banking, grocery store

06:32 <CoderForLife> still dark outside

06:33 <CoderForLife> laterzzzzzz

06:33 * quail currently watching Star Wars Attack of the clones

06:34 <quail> ttyl Don, have fun with the errends

06:34 <Romulus> that's why the hell does BBC install to replace a 50 cent

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07:37 <BadBarbarian> morning all

07:39 * c0dewarrior clubs the barbarian over the head

07:58 * BadBarbarian slaps c0dewarrior with a rainbow trout

07:59 <BadBarbarian> lol

07:59 <c0dewarrior> grin

07:59 <c0dewarrior> howdy

07:59 <BadBarbarian> hows your morning going

07:59 <c0dewarrior> afternoon here, but good

07:59 <Romulus> damn it getting to point at laugh at something on irc

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08:00 <BadBarbarian> my new quad wont be here till tuesday ups dont work on veterans day

08:00 <c0dewarrior> nice

08:01 <c0dewarrior> which quad

08:01 <BadBarbarian> found a realy good deal on a refurb

08:01 <BadBarbarian>

08:01 <Romulus> <> (at

08:02 <BadBarbarian> tell me what you think please

08:02 <quail> I get my brand new nvidia FX 5200 tomorrow :-)

08:02 <quail> it only been sitting at my friends place for like the last couple weeks

08:03 <BadBarbarian> cool morning quail

08:03 <BadBarbarian> or evening

08:03 <BadBarbarian> cant rember

08:04 <c0dewarrior> BadBarbarian: nice machine, good price

08:04 <BadBarbarian> thanx

08:04 <c0dewarrior> good deal

08:04 <BadBarbarian> had enough money left to add 2 more gigs of ram

08:06 <BadBarbarian> the refurb has a NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT

08:06 <c0dewarrior> good card, have a 8600gt and very happy

08:07 <BadBarbarian> dont know how much memorys on it

08:09 <quail> 8500GT iirc are 512MB ddr memory on them

08:10 <BadBarbarian> cool

08:12 <BadBarbarian> it has a tvcard i will be able to convert all the old family video tapes lol they have been in a bos for 20 years

08:12 <BadBarbarian> box

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08:33 <quail> BadBarbarian: kewl

08:33 <quail> wdsmia: hiya Doug, how are things?

08:34 <wdsmia> growl grunt scratch need coffee!

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08:50 <quail> The mathematical relationship of "funny" is as follows: The awesomeness of the prank is directly proportionate to the volume of shite it can land you in. Therefor, removing all toilet paper rolls from a workplace is less awesome than ordering a hooker to show up to the first appearance of a new pope and accusing him of getting her pregnant

08:53 <quail> Pranks can also be improved by adding a 3rd variable independent of the other two, IE removing all toilet paper on the same day that you dissolve laxatives in all the water bottles and coffee machines, or ordering the hooker who shows up for the pope to be male

08:53 <quail> At this point, the awesomeness growth ceases to be proportionate to another variable, but instead becomes exponential

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09:07 <CoderForLife> plink

09:10 <quail> plonk

09:11 <CoderForLife> gas mask, StormTrooper or Mickey Mouse as riot policeman?

09:11 <quail> CoderForLife: like my funnies above

09:11 <Romulus> <$DY> (at

09:13 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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09:45 <MTughan> Well, that was nice... Just woke up about an hour ago.

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09:48 <yoyo[RKN]> moin MTughan

09:48 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

09:48 <MTughan> Thanks for your help with the yoyo WUs before. They're crunching fine now.

09:49 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

09:50 <yoyo[RKN]> the project runs currently without touching it

09:50 <MTughan> Cool...

09:50 <Romulus> it couldn't but that looks at long rabfe hi-rez radar

09:50 <MTughan> rofl! The Link of the Day:

09:50 <Romulus> Title: Is it Christmas? (at

09:51 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

09:53 <MTughan> Still no mweltin... Have some more optimized apps for OS X here.

09:54 <yoyo[RKN]> how do you optimize it?

09:54 <MTughan> GCC flags.

09:55 <MTughan> For Intel, I have "-O3 -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math -msse -msse2 -mfpmath=sse -march=prescott"

09:55 <MTughan> For PPC, I have "-O3 -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math -mcpu=powerpc"

09:55 <yoyo[RKN]> aha

09:56 <MTughan> I have no idea if any of the processor specific flags work though. Haven't done any tests on them. -O3, -ftree-vectorize, and -ffast-math do speed the app up by about 25% over unoptimized though.

09:57 <yoyo[RKN]> why are such switches necessary and not set as default

09:57 <MTughan> Because it's normally unoptimized for easier debugging.

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10:19 <MTughan> Your connection seems to be unstable...

10:19 <Romulus> mweltin: WU finished in 2 or 3 ?

10:19 <MTughan> lol. Rommie, mweltin

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10:19 <MTughan> ../s not here.

10:23 <MTughan> Hmm... Might have to start again on trying to get BURP for Mac...

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10:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do you remember the instructions to compile BURP? I think I'll need Blender from their site, but I don't remember and am in the middle of looking for instructions in the forums.

10:46 <CoderForLife> hello all

10:46 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

10:46 <CoderForLife> how are you, Michael

10:46 <MTughan> PRetty good.

10:46 <CoderForLife> any snow up Toronto way?

10:46 <MTughan> Had some yesterday, but it melted on contact with the ground.

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10:46 <MTughan> 'lo BB

10:46 <CoderForLife> the best is yet to come

10:47 <CoderForLife> hellooo Arizona

10:47 <BadBarbarian> lo

10:47 <BadBarbarian> hey

10:47 <BadBarbarian> i was thinking

10:47 * CoderForLife hides

10:47 <MTughan> lol

10:47 * CoderForLife peeks out

10:47 <BadBarbarian> with your help i might try putting linux on my new quad

10:48 <CoderForLife> who is "your"?

10:48 * CoderForLife points to MT

10:48 <MTughan> What?

10:48 <BadBarbarian> lol anybody is better installing linux than i am

10:48 <CoderForLife> lol

10:49 <MTughan> Whether you can actually use all four cores is beyond my expertise.

10:50 <MTughan> Any idea how to compile BURP?

10:50 <BadBarbarian> me not a clue

10:51 <MTughan> Ah, there's the instructions...

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11:06 <Tank_Master> hey

11:06 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with a silver marshmallow

11:06 <MTughan> :D

11:16 <Tank_Master> down to les tha 300 WUs in TSP

11:20 <MTughan> Anyone know where the include paths are stored for GCC?

11:21 <Tank_Master> nope

11:25 <MTughan> Well, I'm off for a bit... Blender still not fully built, but it'll have to wait.

11:25 <CoderForLife> later

11:27 <Tank_Master> hf

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11:34 * your moma

11:34 <BadBarbarian> lol

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11:35 <Tank_Master> someone already registered "your"

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11:50 <Tank_Master> I got 107 credits pending in tsp

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13:39 <wdsmia> &ping

13:39 <Romulus> pong

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13:44 <BadBarbarian> lol

13:44 <BadBarbarian> &pong

13:44 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

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14:05 <E-30> hey

14:06 <yoyo[RKN]> hey

14:13 <E-30> how are you doing

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14:38 <PovAddict> tsp failing to resolve DNS :|

14:38 <Tank_Master> its working finr for me...

14:38 <Tank_Master> fine*

14:39 <PovAddict> then get me its IP please :P

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14:43 <Tank_Master> ?

14:44 <Tank_Master> cant figure it ouut

14:44 <Tank_Master>

14:45 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

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15:26 <MTughan> Hello mweltin.

15:27 <yoyo[RKN]> moin markus

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15:32 <MTughan> Hello mweltin_.

16:07 <PovAddict> mweltin_: *poke*

16:10 <mweltin_> hey

16:10 <mweltin_> sorry

16:10 <mweltin_> cleaning up the house a little

16:10 <PovAddict> I posted some on the forum

16:10 <MTughan> And I have new applications for you.

16:10 <Romulus> E down down for 3 days 10 hrs 21 mins 6 secs | Load: 1.15 1.18 1.16 | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 41.80M Out: 3.22M

16:10 <mweltin_> I loved the pic "your doing it wrong"

16:10 <MTughan> Hehe...

16:10 <PovAddict>

16:12 <mweltin_> MTughan: where is the app

16:12 <MTughan> I have it on my system right now... Let me upload it.

16:13 <mweltin_> so PovAddict what is the deal with news, I just let that file grow out of control?

16:13 <PovAddict> yep

16:14 <PovAddict> the main page will only show recent ones

16:14 <PovAddict> the RSS feed will only show recent ones

16:14 <MTughan>

16:14 <Romulus> <$-_> (at

16:14 <PovAddict> and the all_news and old_news links will show everything, like here

16:14 <Romulus> Title: News archive (at

16:14 <PovAddict> see how far back it goes

16:14 <MTughan> Hold up on the i386, I messed up the upload...

16:15 <MTughan>

16:15 <Romulus> <$:H> (at

16:16 <mweltin_> I'll have those up soon, I'm trying to catch up with the forum a bit.

16:16 <MTughan> Okay.

16:17 <mweltin_> Tank_Master is still getting a sig error, I assume its a signature error.

16:18 <PovAddict> yeah

16:18 <MTughan> WTF?

16:18 <Romulus> <$Fs> (at

16:18 <PovAddict> I think you should deprecate that version and make a new one

16:18 <mweltin_> good call

16:18 <PovAddict> what platform fails?

16:18 <MTughan> Haha!

16:18 <Romulus> <$Ft> (at

16:19 <PovAddict> 32 or 64bit windoze?

16:19 <mweltin_> 64 was the last one he was talking about in the forum.

16:20 <PovAddict> check on the ops page the XML for that version

16:20 <PovAddict> should have md5, sig, url...

16:20 <MTughan> And shouldn't that be mirrored on your server too?

16:21 <PovAddict> nope, if it was, I would be able to change it...

16:21 <MTughan> Except for sig errors.

16:21 <mweltin_> PovAddict has the 32 bit one.

16:21 <MTughan> And you'd definitely had MD5 errors.

16:21 <PovAddict> I mean, the xml is not on my server

16:22 <PovAddict> I host the executable only

16:23 <PovAddict> mweltin_: I have the 64-bit too

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16:24 <mweltin_> that it

16:24 <MTughan> 'lo BB

16:24 <BadBarbarian> lo

16:24 <mweltin_> the file signature is the first one I generated

16:24 <mweltin_> I used the wrong syntax for the crypt_prog file

16:24 <mweltin_> and update_versions never changed it, like I assumed it would

16:24 <mweltin_> assumptions, hahahaha

16:24 <mweltin_> and such an ass

16:25 <mweltin_> ok

16:25 <MTughan> Nice...

16:25 <PovAddict> you could try editing the app_versions table directly to have the right sig; or making a new version

16:26 <mweltin_> I'll just make a new version,  I'm good with databases but one wrong where clause and it would be a disaster.  Just as easy to make a new version.

16:29 <MTughan> crunch3r said last night that he could do a better job at optimizing the app if he wanted to. His version was just about on par with mine.

16:29 <mweltin_> are you guys changing the code or just the build?

16:30 <Romulus> I only know how much Jack will go thru but other would have eaten it ourselves

16:30 <PovAddict> crunch3r has been known for changing the SETI code manually to use SSE-something instructions with intrinsics; I don't think he's doing that for your app

16:31 <MTughan> &ping

16:31 <Romulus> pong

16:32 <mweltin_> well I have svn users for MTughan Tank_Master PovAddict and crunch3r, you are all welcome to do what you want in your own branch.

16:32 <MTughan> Hmm, what happened to Rommie?

16:32 <mweltin_> who?

16:32 <PovAddict> Romulus

16:32 <mweltin_> oh

16:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: ping

16:33 <PovAddict> are *you* having lag?

16:33 <MTughan> PovAddict: Still there?

16:34 <PovAddict> yes

16:34 <PovAddict> sounds like you're in write-only mode in the channel

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16:35 <mweltin_> ls

16:35 <PovAddict> MTughan: wtf?

16:35 <MTughan> &ping

16:35 <Romulus> pong

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16:35 <MTughan> Rommie doesn't seem to be responding...

16:35 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

16:35 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly cloudy early in the morning then becoming mostly sunny. Highs 57 to 63. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 28 to 34. Light winds.; Veterans Day - Cooler. Partly cloudy. Highs 51 to 57. Light winds.;

16:36 <MTughan> Well, I know that I'm at least receiving stuff now. 'lo BB

16:36 <BadBarbarian> your rught rommies on strike

16:36 <PovAddict> MTughan: are you in write-only mode or what?

16:36 <MTughan> Like Hollywood writers. :(

16:36 <BadBarbarian> right

16:36 <BadBarbarian> yep

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16:38 <MTughan_> Damn you, Colloquy...

16:38 <PovAddict> it was a netsplit this time

16:38 <MTughan_> For you. Not me.

16:38 <PovAddict> and services (chanserv and friends) are down again

16:39 <MTughan_> Yep... So I can't ghost MTughan

16:39 <PovAddict>

16:39 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

16:40 <MTughan_> I didn't see any of that...

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16:40 <PovAddict> netsplit over

16:40 <MTughan_> And that was posted as C++. :P

16:40 <PovAddict> meh

16:40 <Romulus> yep - got to go to the store

16:41 <PovAddict> <Tstarnes> and my ghost is still haunting me

16:41 <MTughan_> Whoa... Colloquy connected to a different server, it seems.

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16:42 <MTughan_> WTF was that?

16:42 <PovAddict> freenode is currently experiencing some turbulence

16:43 <PovAddict> so hold to your seat and wait

16:43 <MTughan_> * Closing Link: (Killed by (Nick collision))

16:43 <PovAddict> ah right

16:43 <PovAddict> you got your nickname back, but it was still alive in another server

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16:43 <PovAddict> when those servers reconnect to each other, suddenly there's two people with the same name

16:43 <MTughan_> There's Colloquy...

16:43 <PovAddict> solution: kick *both*

16:44 <MTughan_> WTF? Colloquy seems to be connected, but nothing from there comes through...

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16:45 <mweltin_> ok, new mac and windows are up.

16:45 <MTughan_> Ah, f*ck Colloquy for now.

16:45 <MTughan_> Okay, cool...

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16:46 <PovAddict> mweltin_: so four new files?

16:46 <PovAddict> win 32/64 mac intel/ppc?

16:46 <MTughan> MD5 error...

16:46 <mweltin_> mac's are not nad hte 32/64 are just a version number change.

16:47 <mweltin_> MTughan: are you kidding me?

16:47 <MTughan> Nope.

16:47 <mweltin_> WTF

16:47 <MTughan> Second worked.

16:48 <PovAddict> hmm what's up with .05 and .06 for mac?

16:48 <mweltin_> they should be 06

16:48 <MTughan> That's what I got.

16:48 <MTughan> Running.

16:48 <mweltin_> I have to change the version number for update_versions to see it as new.

16:49 <PovAddict> both new windows apps are .05, and there is a .05 on mac, what was that one?

16:49 <mweltin_> the two windws are 05

16:49 <mweltin_> and the two macs are 06

16:49 <PovAddict> give me md5s for all four files

16:49 <mweltin_> ok

16:50 <PovAddict> win apps are 300KB?! wow

16:50 <MTughan> Man, Freenode really is screwed up right now...

16:51 <MTughan> That explains it.

16:51 <Romulus> that government will fall pretty soon... and Thanks for the ages

16:51 <PovAddict> btw, I'd suggest you ./bin/stop until I get the apps mirrored... ;)

16:51 <mweltin_> ok

16:51 <PovAddict> so that your bandwidth doesn't suffer so much

16:52 <mweltin_>

16:52 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

16:52 <mweltin_> those are the md5sums

16:55 <mweltin_> project is stopped so let me know whey you are ready

16:55 <PovAddict> I'm still downloading the apps from your server, slowly

16:55 <PovAddict> tsp_2.06_i686-apple-darwin (the other three are done): 14% [====>                                ] 172,528        9.39K/s    ETA 02:33

16:56 <mweltin_> you are getting at lest 19kb/s

16:56 <mweltin_> whats your problem?

16:56 <PovAddict> ok just sped up to 10KB/s

16:56 <MTughan> PovAddict: You want the versions from my server?

16:56 <mweltin_> LOL

16:57 <MTughan>

16:57 <Romulus> <$-_> (at

16:57 <PovAddict> only 30 seconds remaining, so no thanks

16:57 <PovAddict> omgrain

16:57 <MTughan> For both to be downloaded?

16:58 <PovAddict> and done

16:58 <PovAddict> the other was done already

16:58 <MTughan> Okay, that works.

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16:58 <PovAddict> and sum matches

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16:58 <PovAddict> another nick collision...

16:59 <MTughan> Damn, that was annoying...

16:59 <PovAddict> mweltin_: ok, add the redirects for all four apps

16:59 <mweltin_> PovAddict: do I need to add a redirect for the win64bit ?

16:59 <MTughan> Yeah, Colloquy seems to kill me.

16:59 <MTughan> And then promptly crash. >_>

16:59 <PovAddict> it was the server that killed your connection

16:59 <PovAddict> colloquy seems to mis-handle that...

17:00 <MTughan> Could be.

17:00 <mweltin_> PovAddict: did you get teh windows 64 as well or just the 32?

17:00 <PovAddict> all four files: tsp_2.06_i686-apple-darwin, tsp_2.06_powerpc-apple-darwin, tsp_2.05_windows_x86_64.exe, tsp_2.05_windows_intelx86.exe

17:01 <mweltin_> sweet

17:01 <mweltin_> ok apache restarted and project started

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17:02 <PovAddict> I see 775 requests on my access log, I'll count from now :)

17:02 <Romulus> eek, wasted CPU time all the way movie actors portray them ;)

17:02 <mweltin_> I only have 13GB left, and NEWS once a day might just fill that up sooner than I think.

17:03 <PovAddict> hmm, still not getting any new req

17:04 <PovAddict> *one* download

17:05 <PovAddict> I thought I would get flooded

17:05 <mweltin_> what is your quota?

17:05 <MTughan> Ah, ChanServ seems to be back...

17:05 <PovAddict> mweltin_: I'm not attached...

17:06 <mweltin_> ahh

17:06 <PovAddict> I got only one download on my server

17:06 <MTughan> I already downloaded the Mac version. Tank_Master, can you try it?

17:07 <MTughan> Still no zombie67 either... He could test both the Intel and PPC versions on stock machines.

17:08 <MTughan> Okay, gonna risk bringing Colloquy back on...

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17:08 <PovAddict> still nobody else downloaded the app?! wtf

17:08 <MTughan_> There we go!

17:08 <PovAddict> I got a single request for tsp/tsp_2.05_windows_intelx86.exe and nothing else since that

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17:09 <mweltin_> I assume most people are over their quota or not getting new tasks.

17:09 <PovAddict> do you *have* tasks?

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17:10 <mweltin_> there are about 60 WU's ready to send.

17:10 <PovAddict> can you force the server status to update?

17:10 <MTughan> I've got two. First one finished, about the same amount of time.

17:10 <mweltin_> yeah just a sec

17:10 <MTughan> Enabling SSE didn't seem to do too much.

17:11 <PovAddict> so yes there is work...

17:11 <mweltin_> updated sever status

17:12 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do you know how average CPU times are calculated for machines on most projects? Are they generated from the machine benchmarks?

17:12 <PovAddict> UPDATE host SET max_results_day=30; maybe?

17:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: you mean the estimate?

17:12 <MTughan> Yep.

17:12 <MTughan> 1670 hrs seems high.

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17:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: it's the estimated task fpops divided by the machine benchmarks

17:13 <PovAddict> the former is wrong, ask mweltin :)

17:13 <MTughan> So the estimated FPOPS is off...

17:13 <MTughan> lol

17:13 <mweltin_> MTughan: way off

17:13 <mweltin_> just made it super high so it wouldn't be a problem.

17:13 <MTughan> So I see. 1670 hrs down to 14 minutes? :D

17:13 <mweltin_> fpops_bound and estimate are lik 1E16

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17:14 <MTughan> )_)

17:14 <MTughan> O_O

17:14 <PovAddict> hmm

17:14 <MTughan> Wrong key...

17:14 <PovAddict> WTF

17:14 <PovAddict> 28 days estimate

17:15 <PovAddict> on my machine

17:15 <MTughan> &math convert 1670 hours to days

17:15 <Romulus> MTughan: 69.5833333333

17:15 <PovAddict> &math calc 1e16 / 4056331450

17:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

17:15 <PovAddict> that second number is my benchmarks

17:15 <PovAddict> hmm

17:15 <PovAddict> &math calc (10**16) / 4056331450

17:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2465281.77573

17:15 <mweltin_> I'll set max results to 5 because I think that is what it is in hte config.xml

17:16 <PovAddict> mweltin_: huh? 5 per day? that's low

17:16 <MTughan> 14 minutes a WU, and I could run 2.

17:16 <PovAddict> I just got another win download request

17:16 <MTughan> &math convert 24 hours to minutes

17:16 <Romulus> MTughan: 1440

17:16 <MTughan> &math convert 1440 / 14

17:16 <Romulus> MTughan: Error:  is not a valid unit.

17:16 <MTughan> &math calc 1440 / 14

17:16 <Romulus> MTughan: 102.857142857

17:16 <MTughan> So I could do 200 WUs a day.

17:17 <mweltin_> let me check the dealy_bound

17:17 <MTughan> zombie67 has an 8-core 3.0GHz Intel machine. Mine is 2.0GHz.

17:17 <mweltin_> I htink the delay is still one day

17:18 <PovAddict> did you reset everybody's daily quota already?

17:18 <mweltin_> I figured on my box stuff was taking ~ an hour, and if I had five and shutdown my box I may not get them all done.

17:18 <mweltin_> no

17:18 <mweltin_> ok

17:18 <mweltin_> now its one

17:18 <PovAddict> mweltin_: well it's boinc's problem to handle how much to download

17:18 <mweltin_> I made it 20

17:19 <mweltin_> PovAddict: what do you mean?

17:19 <PovAddict> the client will handle how much it downloads according to its speed, how much time of the day it's on, etc

17:19 <mweltin_> my client correctes itself to not get 20 if I can't finish 20

17:20 <mweltin_> ok so I should really dial in the fpops_est and bound then?

17:20 <mweltin_> or do they not count for much?

17:20 <PovAddict> you should have correct estimates, yes

17:20 <PovAddict> as accurate as possible

17:20 <mweltin_> ok

17:20 <PovAddict> I still get few downloads btw

17:21 <PovAddict> well, a bit more than before

17:22 <MTughan> Hehe... By my calculations, zombie67 should be able to do 1152 of these WUs a day...

17:22 <PovAddict> o.o

17:22 <mweltin_> ok my time (this is real time not cpu time) was 71m11.2275 sec, and my integer benchmark was 1890 on the same machine......

17:23 <MTughan> Of course, no other projects running, but that's beside the point.

17:23 <mweltin_> 8.01e6

17:23 <PovAddict> 1890 *million*

17:23 <MTughan> ?

17:23 <mweltin_> so would making my bound double that and my estimate that be good?

17:24 <PovAddict> you need ~8e12

17:24 <mweltin_> I'm re running the benchmark now.

17:24 <mweltin_> just to make sure.

17:24 <mweltin_> 1898 MIPS

17:25 <mweltin_> ok so million wich is just e6

17:25 <mweltin_> so my estimate should be 8.1e12th

17:25 <PovAddict> 71m 11.2275s = 4271.2275 seconds

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17:26 <PovAddict> &math calc 4271.2275 * 1898000000

17:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: 8106789795000

17:26 <MTughan> Yeah, I can tell your machine is slower... From your project, I have 4426.07 million ops/sec.

17:26 <PovAddict> 8.1067898e12

17:26 <PovAddict> yeah, 8.1e12 will do

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17:27 <MTughan> Wait, floating point or integer?

17:27 <MTughan> FP, 1586.85 million ops/sec

17:27 <mweltin_> that was integer

17:27 <PovAddict> tsp app doesn't use fp anyway

17:27 <MTughan> Okay, so Intel's processors has really come along.

17:27 <MTughan> Well, that could explain why SSE had no effect... --mfp-math=sse

17:28 <MTughan> GCC switch. FP math didn't exist. :P

17:28 <mweltin_> 100 * est is good for bound or what?

17:28 <PovAddict> 10* is enough

17:28 <PovAddict> with 100x it would run for 5 days before getting aborted

17:28 <MTughan> Okay, so I can remake these and when we have more updates, we can use that. SSE won't hurt for now.

17:29 <mweltin_> ok nest round will be good.

17:30 <mweltin_> now its finally time for some new code.

17:30 <mweltin_> I'm going to try to ditch the while loop (crunh3r suggested that as an optimization) I have and add the status in.

17:33 <mweltin_> And THANK YOU a millions times over for all your help.  If you are ever in the neighbor hood stop by, we can go diving.

17:33 <MTughan> I don't think I'll be getting out to AS anytime soon... :P

17:33 <PovAddict> ditto

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17:34 <mweltin_> well the offer still stands

17:35 <MTughan> Whoa...

17:35 <Romulus> Title: EA donates SimCity to OLPC | Tech news blog - CNET (at

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17:49 <CoderForLife> hello

17:49 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

17:50 <CoderForLife> pretty cool news on SimCity

17:50 <CoderForLife> 'lo MTughan

17:51 <CoderForLife> brb  need to close down a birdfeeder so the raccoons can't empty it overnight

17:56 <MTughan> bbiab too. Got a C++ book today. :D

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17:56 <mweltin_> same here I'm going to slack off a bit

17:57 <mweltin_> before I go boincers

17:57 <mweltin_> later

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17:57 <MTughan> &nn all

17:57 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

17:57 <MTughan> Is that supposed to be "night, night"? Oops...

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18:26 * CoderForLife finally gets back to his desk

18:28 * PovAddict tries to understand JSP

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18:31 <CoderForLife> <picture><talking><in><tags></tags></in></talking></picture>

18:31 <Romulus> MiB is explicitly geared to general multimedia production."

18:31 <MTughan> <picture_talking_in_tags />

18:32 <CoderForLife> <or not/>

18:32 <MTughan> Holy crap!

18:32 <Romulus> <$GW> (at

18:32 <CoderForLife> look what it did to the faces of those men!

18:32 <BadBarbarian> ohio just lost lsu #1

18:33 * CoderForLife stands and salutes The Ohio State University

18:34 <CoderForLife> besides PovAddict, JSP is "legacy" - JSF is the new approach

18:34 <PovAddict> the higher level I go, the more the low-level components screw up the HTML

18:34 <PovAddict> I have never seen a SINGLE JavaEE-based webapp with valid HTML

18:36 <PovAddict> "Unlike other traditional request-driven MVC web frameworks, JSF uses a component-based approach. The state of UI components is saved when the client requests a new page and then is restored when the request is returned."

18:36 <PovAddict> ...

18:36 <PovAddict> definitely "no thanks"

18:38 <CoderForLife> it is the way of things

18:38 * CoderForLife steadfastly points to the future

18:38 * PovAddict points at Steve Gibson

18:39 <PovAddict> he uses assembler

18:39 <CoderForLife> we are converting everything from JSP to JSF

18:39 <PovAddict> opposite ends? :P

18:40 <CoderForLife> we just converted a critical app from Struts so that it works better with the portal and JSF

18:41 <CoderForLife> any whey....

18:41 <CoderForLife> off for the evening - take care folks

18:41 <CoderForLife> hmm - looks like I'm already "away"

18:42 * CoderForLife makes it official

18:50 <Tank_Master> howdy

18:50 <Tank_Master> ge CFL

18:51 <Tank_Master> (good evening)

18:55 <BadBarbarian> you have to go to this website and click on picture

18:55 <BadBarbarian>

18:55 <Romulus> Title: DOING IT WRONG (at

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18:59 <sethiroth66> PovAddict

18:59 <PovAddict> :o

18:59 <sethiroth66> :o

18:59 <sethiroth66> guess what day it is here

19:00 <PovAddict> 11/11?

19:00 <sethiroth66> yes

19:00 <sethiroth66> but

19:00 <sethiroth66> in binary?

19:00 <sethiroth66> its the last of the set?

19:00 <PovAddict> ......

19:01 <sethiroth66> 1111

19:01 <sethiroth66> and when its 11:09 we can be like

19:01 <sethiroth66> omg 1111 1110 next

19:01 <PovAddict> ......

19:01 <sethiroth66> and then 1111 1111

19:01 <sethiroth66> <3

19:02 <PovAddict> well...

19:02 <PovAddict> now I don't know what's more weird

19:02 <PovAddict> the ocremix song I was listening to, or you

19:02 <PovAddict> the song being: The Legend of Zelda 'The Music Of My Groin'

19:03 <sethiroth66> doint dis zelda!

19:03 <PovAddict>

19:03 <Romulus> Title: ReMix: The Legend of Zelda 'The Music Of My Groin' - OverClocked ReMix (at

19:03 <sethiroth66> and i noticed  in the 0001 - 1000 torrent on ocremix isnt even 1000

19:04 <PovAddict> that's on the FAQ:

19:04 <Romulus> Title: OverClocked ReMix BitTorrent Tracker ( (at

19:04 <PovAddict> waitIphail

19:04 <PovAddict>

19:04 <sethiroth66> LOLPHAIL

19:04 <Romulus> Title: OverClocked ReMix BitTorrent Tracker ( (at

19:04 <sethiroth66> erm

19:04 <sethiroth66> *scrolls up*

19:05 <sethiroth66> i want them all d:

19:08 <sethiroth66> you know on tv at night there are them quiz shows?

19:09 <PovAddict> on your country maybe

19:09 <sethiroth66> like find the word call some number and win this ammount but we charge you if you get through or not

19:10 <sethiroth66> welll there is this woman on now and she has nipple on

19:10 <Romulus> but no IP block for ever :( Godizilla has been using BOINC?

19:10 <sethiroth66> Mozilla or Gidzilla?

19:10 <sethiroth66> god even

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19:19 <PovAddict> &cyborg fsm

19:19 <Romulus> PovAddict: F.S.M.: Functional Synthetic Machine

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19:47 <mweltin> PovAddict: you here?

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19:50 <BadBarbarian> whats up with the srever

19:50 <BadBarbarian> server

19:59 <Tank_Master> which server?

19:59 <Tank_Master> hiya mw

20:00 <Tank_Master> @cyborg BOINC

20:00 <Tank_Master> &cyborg BOINC

20:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: B.O.I.N.C.: Biomechanical Operational Immediate Nullification Construct

20:00 <mweltin> hey Tank_Master

20:00 <mweltin> things seem to be working a little better now.

20:01 <mweltin> Pov hooked me up on both the rss and sig issues.

20:01 <mweltin> and MTughan made some new mac apps

20:01 <mweltin> it was a busy morning

20:01 <MTughan> Booya!

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20:02 <MTughan> Sorry...

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20:10 <Tank_Master> I found a workaround on the windows app yesterday

20:10 <Tank_Master> to be able to still use the app that was d/led

20:10 <Tank_Master> bit now none have validated

20:10 <Tank_Master> and your out of work

20:11 <mweltin> yeah, I figured out my mistake on my naming convention.

20:11 <mweltin> I have to put the prefix back on.

20:11 <Tank_Master> what it what I pointed out?

20:11 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

20:11 <mweltin> I'll run my genWork prog, and told it to generate 100 WU's

20:12 <mweltin> and I only got 70, due to name collisions.

20:12 <mweltin> with past workunits.

20:13 <Tank_Master> Ive gotten *some* credit now!

20:14 <mweltin> YEAH!!!!

20:14 <mweltin> you earned that and more.

20:14 <Tank_Master> still getting several not validatsin (think it "Still")

20:15 <mweltin> I'm working on the validator now.

20:15 <PovAddict> boo

20:15 <MTughan> apt-get moo

20:15 <mweltin> going to switch it to xml based

20:15 <Tank_Master> wich I coulda gotten my 330 credits I claimed for one 40h WU the other day ;)

20:15 <Tank_Master> cool

20:15 <Tank_Master> are you going to revalidate the past WUs?

20:17 <Tank_Master> wow, I did 10k yesterday in ABC with only 5 P4s and one core2

20:17 <MTughan> Nice.

20:17 <Tank_Master> gotta love 64bit ;)_

20:17 <MTughan> Is it because of 64-bit, or are the machines just fast?

20:18 <Tank_Master> those 1k WUs are nice to

20:18 <PovAddict> 64-bit is a lot faster on ABC

20:18 <Tank_Master> for ABC, because its integer math, 64bit double your throughput

20:18 <MTughan> Good point.

20:18 <MTughan> Looks like about 9 hours for one ABC WU here.

20:19 <Tank_Master> dedicating more core2duo 2.66@3.07 can get a RAC of 2.9K

20:19 <Tank_Master> it vetties

20:19 <Tank_Master> verries*

20:19 <MTughan> varies*

20:20 <Tank_Master> most will take lecc than a 1/2 hr, others will take over 6 on my core2

20:20 <mweltin> hey how do I search the boinc_projects mailing list archive?

20:20 <Tank_Master> the 6h ones you get 1,000 credits for

20:20 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a private 64-bit P4

20:21 * Tank_Master is immuned to 64bit P4 privates, for he owns 5

20:21 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a buggy 64-bit P4

20:21 * Tank_Master puts MTughan's MAC to good use as a boat ancher

20:21 <MTughan> Better?

20:21 <MTughan> Better?

20:21 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with an eerie 64-bit P4

20:22 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:22 <MTughan> Now random objects...

20:22 * MTughan smacks Tank_Master with an idling channel operator

20:22 * Tank_Master slaps MTughan with a bot

20:22 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with a summoned zergling

20:22 <MTughan> &cyborg zergling

20:22 * Tank_Master has his seage tank ready

20:23 <Romulus> MTughan: Z.E.R.G.L.I.N.G.: Zeta Electronic Replicant Generated for Logical Infiltration and Nocturnal Gratification

20:23 <MTughan> siege?

20:23 <Tank_Master> same diff

20:24 <Tank_Master> $cyborg Leviathan

20:24 <MTughan> &

20:24 <Tank_Master> &cyborg Leviathan

20:24 <MTughan> &cybord Leviathan

20:24 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

20:24 <Romulus> Tank_Master: L.E.V.I.A.T.H.A.N.: Lifelike Electronic Variant Intended for Assassination, Thorough Harm and Accurate Nullification

20:24 <MTughan> I typed too fast.

20:25 <MTughan> lol

20:25 <Tank_Master> haha, so true

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20:25 * MTughan bashes Tank_Master with a mechanic bottle

20:27 <mweltin> PovAddict: there is something I'm missing about the validator?

20:27 <PovAddict> I can't really read your mind from here

20:27 * Tank_Master womps MTughan with a purple wombat

20:27 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:27 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with an unworthy tooth fairy

20:27 <Tank_Master> well, why not?

20:27 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a good sword of haste

20:27 <mweltin> it all stats with init_result

20:27 <mweltin> reading my mind is easy, usually blank.

20:28 <mweltin> does the validator only get called when there is a min_quorum?

20:28 <PovAddict> well, if min_quorum is 1, it gets called to validate (init_result) the single result, and the comparison function is never called

20:28 <PovAddict> I guess...

20:28 <mweltin> ok

20:29 <mweltin> so lets say min_quorum is 3

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20:29 <mweltin> init_result is called 3 times?

20:29 <Tank_Master> ill bbl, makin pizza

20:29 <mweltin> e.g. reslut a, b, c

20:29 <MTughan> reslut?

20:29 <PovAddict> it's called for all results available, actually...

20:30 <MTughan> That didn't come out right, lol

20:30 <Tank_Master> why noe x, y, and z?

20:30 <mweltin> so is it called on a timer, like once a day?

20:30 <PovAddict> for example, when a single result comes back, init_result gets called to see if it's at least valid XML (without being able to *compare* it of course)

20:30 * wdsmia asks the room to please watch there language… Thanks, your friendly channel op

20:31 <MTughan> Sorry...

20:32 <mweltin> so init_result is called everytime a result comes in.

20:32 <PovAddict> ...sort of

20:32 <mweltin> so all init_result does it pack data into a structure "data"

20:32 <PovAddict> well, yeah

20:32 <mweltin> that is its only job.

20:32 <mweltin> ok, lets just go with that for now.

20:33 <PovAddict> but for your files, you'd need to parse the XML

20:33 <PovAddict> right?

20:33 <mweltin> yes

20:33 <mweltin> I understand.

20:33 <PovAddict> so if it's totally invalid XML, that's where you'd notice

20:33 <mweltin> so init_results can also be used to mark results as invalid?

20:34 <mweltin> like a kind of prefilter?

20:34 <PovAddict> yep, that validates the result alone

20:35 <mweltin> ok, and I use the return value to mark the valid state.

20:35 <PovAddict> "Any other return value [from init_result] indicates a permanent error. Example: an output file is missing, or *has a syntax error*. The result will be marked as invalid."

20:35 <mweltin> ok

20:35 <mweltin> I'm looking at that page now.

20:35 <mweltin> but here is where things are still a little fuzzy.

20:36 <mweltin> compare_results has two data structures pointers.

20:36 <mweltin> where they both created using init_result?

20:36 <PovAddict> yep

20:38 <mweltin> ok so there is some internal boinc bookkeeper (maby validator.C or validate_util.C) that is keeping track of, and making all these calls to init and compare _results.

20:38 <PovAddict> imagine it's called like this:

20:38 <PovAddict> init_result(result1, structure1);

20:38 <PovAddict> init_result(result2, structure2);

20:38 <PovAddict> compare_results(result1, structure1, result2, structure2, match);

20:39 <mweltin> the decision on the canonical result is arbitrary?

20:39 <mweltin> done by boinc, not me?

20:39 <PovAddict> yes, the canonical result is "one of" the valid ones

20:39 <PovAddict> if you need control over what the canonical result is, you need to use the "advanced" validator framework

20:40 <mweltin> ok, its all int stuff so for now simple framework will do.

20:40 <mweltin> I think I get this now.

20:40 <PovAddict> (in fact, the simple framework is made with the advanced validator, calling your functions)

20:40 <mweltin> seems obvious after the conversation.

20:40 <PovAddict>

20:40 <Romulus> <$Gn> (at

20:44 <mweltin> PovAddict: in you opnion is it better to fix the numer of credits per workunit.

20:44 <PovAddict> yeah, but it's a bit tricky...

20:44 <mweltin> I dont' care about credits, so for all I care I'll hand them out like candy.

20:44 <mweltin> but somepeople are serious about credits.

20:44 <PovAddict> if your project gives ten times less credits than other projects, people will complain a lot

20:45 <PovAddict> if your project gives ten times more credits than other projects, people will complain just as much

20:45 <mweltin> perfect

20:45 <MTughan> Just different people?

20:45 <PovAddict> so even with fixed credits, you need to try keeping a bit in sync with the "standard" amount of credits

20:46 <PovAddict> if *everybody* gets (considerably) more or less credits per day on this project than on others, problems happen...

20:48 <mweltin> so what is the standard, is it based on fpops?

20:48 <mweltin> time?

20:48 <PovAddict> yeah

20:49 <mweltin> does every valid result get credit?

20:49 <PovAddict> actually, I mean you shouldn't go disproportionally off

20:49 <mweltin> or just the canonical

20:49 <PovAddict> yes, every valid result gets credit

20:49 <mweltin> ok

20:49 <mweltin> is there a real formula?

20:49 <mweltin> fpops = x credits?

20:49 <PovAddict> yep...

20:49 <PovAddict> all your workunits take the same time, right?

20:50 <PovAddict> (btw, get your validator working, test it lots, *then* bother about credits)

20:51 <mweltin> depends on the box, but yes.

20:51 <PovAddict> well of course it depends on the computer

20:52 <mweltin> PovAddict: you speak the truth on the testing.

20:52 <PovAddict> but no difference between workunits?

20:52 <mweltin> I'm thinking of making a parallel project that I'm the only memberof.

20:52 <mweltin> no right now all workunits are the same.

20:52 <mweltin> and that brings up another question.

20:53 <PovAddict> and I'm thinking of rewriting the whole server in Java :]

20:53 <MTughan> lol

20:53 <mweltin> whats the best way to make different style of workunits.

20:53 <PovAddict> I might need that J2EE course after all

20:53 <mweltin> I can have different workunit/result templates

20:53 <mweltin> but what about the app?

20:54 <mweltin> should the app use some kind of flag in the workunit to figure out what it should do?

20:54 <PovAddict> if you need a totally different app... add a different app, that's actually easy

20:54 <mweltin> should I have differnet apps.

20:54 <mweltin> ok

20:54 <Tank_Master> ib

20:54 <PovAddict> if you want the same app to have different behavior, like changing settings, that's a different way...

20:54 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a stinkin Millenium Falcon

20:54 <mweltin> so how does boinc know which app goes with wich workunit.

20:54 <PovAddict> it may be easier or not...

20:54 <PovAddict> well, you pass the app name when you create the workunit...

20:55 <mweltin> oh YEAH

20:55 <Tank_Master> lol

20:55 <mweltin> tsp = app for brut force and I can have tsp_ga for geneitc algorithm

20:55 <mweltin> and of course different versions for all.

20:55 <mweltin> right on!

20:55 <Tank_Master> &cyborg TSP

20:55 <Romulus> Tank_Master: T.S.P.: Transforming Synthetic Person

20:55 <mweltin> its all coming to gether.

20:56 <mweltin> nice

20:56 <Tank_Master> :)

20:56 *** quail has quit IRC

20:56 <mweltin> the amp cyborg ?

20:56 <PovAddict> if you think that given your app design it's a better idea to have the same app do both (for example, to avoid lots of duplicate code), then you can do that too

20:56 <MTughan> Heh... BSOD on a PSP.

20:56 <Romulus> <$Gq> (at

20:56 <mweltin> no I think it will be better to have differnet apps.

20:56 <mweltin> I want to try several different kinds of search algorithms.

20:56 <PovAddict> MTughan: "Your PSP asplode"

20:57 <MTughan> Not mine.

20:57 <MTughan> Notice the username? I'm jedirock or legomodeller.

20:57 <PovAddict> I know it's not yours

20:57 <PovAddict> maybe the bsod should say that... *asplode*

20:57 <MTughan> lol

20:58 <Tank_Master> &cyborg Goliath Tank

20:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: (cyborg [<name>]) -- Returns a cyborg acronym for <name> from <>. If <name> is not specified, uses that of the user.

20:58 <Tank_Master> &cyborg GoliathTank

20:58 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: a single word, and less than 10 chars

20:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Names can't have more than 10 letters. Please enter another name.

20:58 <PovAddict> told you so

20:58 <PovAddict> ^^

20:58 <Tank_Master> oh for @#%@'s sake

20:58 <mweltin> is it the same each time &cyborg TSP

20:58 <PovAddict> yeah it is

20:59 <PovAddict> &markov tsp

20:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: I was unable to generate a Markov chain at least 8 words long.

20:59 <MTughan> &cyborg GoliathTan

20:59 <PovAddict> &markov tsp

20:59 <Romulus> MTughan: G.O.L.I.A.T.H.T.A.N.: General Operational Lifeform Intended for Accurate Troubleshooting, Hazardous Tactics and Adept Nullification

20:59 <Romulus> tsp can also run a short movie in the back seat - and half the battle

20:59 <Tank_Master> &cyborg Hellbender

20:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: H.E.L.L.B.E.N.D.E.R.: Handcrafted Electronic Lifeform Limited to Basic Exploration, Nocturnal Destruction and Efficient Repair

20:59 <PovAddict> having fun...?

20:59 <Tank_Master> defently

20:59 <Tank_Master> :D

20:59 <mweltin> lol

21:00 <PovAddict> until wdsmia comes with his boot and kicks your collective butts

21:00 <Tank_Master> lol

21:00 <mweltin> I think the David Anderson slap was one of the irc high lights.

21:00 <MTughan> <smmagic> PSP

21:00 <MTughan> <smmagic> Funny things

21:00 <mweltin> I should have put that up on

21:00 * MTughan slaps mweltin with a returning David Anderson

21:01 <mweltin> LOL

21:01 <MTughan> More?

21:01 <mweltin> please

21:01 <MTughan> More?

21:01 * MTughan hurts mweltin with a breath taking David Anderson

21:01 <PovAddict> oh, somebody that will hurt worse

21:01 <MTughan> Damn history...

21:01 * MTughan bashes David with a colorful Hasselhoff

21:01 <MTughan> Damn...

21:02 * MTughan tortures mweltin with a golden David Hasselhoff

21:02 <PovAddict> use boinc html code as hitting object?

21:02 <mweltin> Hasselhoff references never get old.

21:03 * MTughan tortures PovAddict with a surreal BOINC&apos;s HTML code

21:03 <MTughan> Darn it...

21:03 * MTughan mutilates PovAddict with an enormous portion of HTML BOINC code

21:04 <Tank_Master> Ive gottin 37 points today in TSP!

21:04 <Tank_Master> *sigh*

21:04 <wdsmia> lol

21:05 <mweltin> wow you are cooking Tank_Master

21:05 <mweltin> we might get out of beta this week.

21:06 * MTughan hurts mweltin with an enourmous tsp

21:06 <Tank_Master> today is the last day for the week...

21:06 <Tank_Master> ;)

21:06 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a self-made movie

21:06 <MTughan> I'm glad I found this script again...

21:06 <PovAddict> :o

21:06 <Tank_Master> lol

21:06 <MTughan> Anyone on Colloquy who wants it?

21:07 <Tank_Master> huh?

21:07 <MTughan> The script.

21:07 <Tank_Master> oh, right

21:08 <Tank_Master> anywho, my dinner is ready, so ill bbl

21:08 <MTughan> lol, mIRC can't use it.

21:08 <Tank_Master> then I dont want it, its below me

21:08 <Tank_Master> hehe j/k

21:09 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a semi-functional mIRC

21:09 <PovAddict> HUH?

21:09 <Tank_Master> :P

21:09 <PovAddict> semi-funcitional mIRC?

21:09 <Tank_Master> kinda like a MAC

21:09 <PovAddict> is there such thing as a fully-functional mIRC?

21:09 * MTughan smacks Tank_Master with a terrifying mIRC

21:09 <Tank_Master> runs thing, but not like a filly blowen linux box

21:09 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with an open sourced mIRC

21:09 * MTughan bashes Tank_Master with a returning mIRC

21:10 <PovAddict> OPEN SOURCED MIRC?

21:10 <mweltin> like a mac LOL

21:10 <MTughan> Tank_Master: yes, not a fully blown Linux box. Fully blown Unix box.

21:10 <PovAddict> blown up?

21:10 <MTughan> lol

21:10 * MTughan smacks Tank_Master with a large mIRC

21:10 <Tank_Master> well, osx10.5 is linux

21:10 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a rugged mIRC

21:10 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with a small mIRC

21:10 * wdsmia asks all the children to play nice

21:10 <PovAddict> lies

21:10 <MTughan> No, I heard that too.

21:11 <PovAddict> ...

21:11 <PovAddict> lies

21:11 <MTughan> I haven't confirmed it, but I heard it.

21:11 <mweltin> this is the most I have heard from wdsmia ever.

21:11 <Tank_Master> its in the boinc alpha e-mails

21:11 <PovAddict> Lie: Telling the truth in a creative way.

21:11 <mweltin> you three sound like an old married couple sometimes.

21:11 <Tank_Master> they were talking about the changes needed to BOINC because o fthe different OS

21:12 <PovAddict> "Usually done by pathological liars, liberal  terrorists, and women."

21:16 <mweltin> ok nap time

21:16 <mweltin> later guys

21:16 <MTughan> Bye.

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21:46 <wdsmia> &ding

21:46 <Romulus> DONG!

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21:55 <MTughan> 'lo BB

21:55 <MTughan> Oh, 'lo quail too.

21:56 <Romulus> Well, I'm not mangling, er muddling, er meddling, er managing

21:56 <PovAddict> wow

21:58 <BadBarbarian> lo MT &Pov

22:01 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.22-14-generic |  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz 1595.469 MHz | Bogomips: 3194.48 | Mem: 991/1265M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 264.39G Free: 202.84G | Procs: 105 | Uptime: 16 mins 30 secs | Load: 0.12 0.50 0.52  | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) GPU clock: 270.000 MHz | eth0: In: 3.46M Out: 0.36M

22:01 <quail> Sensors: HDD: 34°C

22:01 * quail got new video card installed now

22:02 <quail> hiya MTughan and all

22:03 <BadBarbarian> howdy quail

22:03 <wdsmia> *lo quail

22:03 <quail> how are we all?

22:03 <MTughan> Good.

22:04 <quail> :-)

22:04 * MTughan needs to get his butt back into BURP

22:05 <wdsmia> butt burp?

22:05 <MTughan> lol

22:06 <BadBarbarian> lol

22:06 <MTughan> I was trying to compile a BURP client for Mac. Got Blender compiled without patching as a test, now to patch and rebuild.

22:06 <MTughan> But I'm feeling lazy...

22:09 <MTughan> bbiab, more C++

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23:35 * Tank_Master bitch slaps MTughan with a red headed step child

23:37 <Tank_Master> MilkyWay is now supported by BAM!.

23:39 <Tank_Master> Zombie is going to have a nice boost in credits tomorrow on BOINCstats...

23:39 <Tank_Master> he's got over 100k in MW credits

23:55 * MTughan mutilates Tank_Master with a blue dummy

23:55 * Tank_Master sets pills the pin on a gernade and holds it in his hand

23:56 <Tank_Master> pulls*

23:56 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with an empty Doombringer

23:56 * Tank_Master plays hot potato with MTughan

23:56 * MTughan bashes Tank_Master with an alien Wolverine

23:57 * Tank_Master tosses the gernade to MTughan and runs

23:57 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with a fluffy iPod

23:57 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with an undead flip chart

23:57 * MTughan smacks Tank_Master with an unreal cow

23:58 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with a real wiki

23:58 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a private dschinn

23:58 * MTughan bashes Tank_Master with a stolen rogue

23:58 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with a bad statue of liberty

23:58 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with a nifty Cpt. Picard

23:58 * Tank_Master unleases an unreal warlock on MTughan

23:58 <MTughan> This is a script. With history, I can unleased a flood of these.

23:58 <MTughan> unleash*

23:58 <Tank_Master> I bet

23:59 <PovAddict> well, don't

23:59 <Tank_Master> to bad you cant come up with any of your own!

23:59 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with an emerald iPod

23:59 <Tank_Master> whats a waste of emeralds

23:59 <Tank_Master> what*

23:59 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a blue missile

23:59 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a forgotten tea pot

23:59 * Tank_Master agrees with PovAddict

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