00:00 <pattern> well, looks like on gentoo boinc_gui expects its skins to be in /var/lib/boinc/skins
00:00 <pattern> but even though i can select a new skin in boinc_gui's simple view, once i've installed the skin in /var/lib/boinc/skins, the simple view does not change its appearance
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01:10 <Tank_Master> wb z
01:11 <zombie67> hello
01:11 <Tank_Master> you gettin tsp apps on your mac?
01:11 <zombie67> yep
01:11 <Tank_Master> cool
01:12 <zombie67> when thre don't fail DL
01:12 <Tank_Master> I thingk the windows apps are still giving sig failiers, but I may have found the prob
01:12 <zombie67> -
01:12 <zombie67> -
01:12 <zombie67> grr
01:12 <Tank_Master> you getting md5 issues or sig error on the app?
01:12 <zombie67> there we go
01:13 <zombie67> <error_message>MD5 check failed</error_message>
01:13 <zombie67> this was about 4pm today
01:14 <Tank_Master> they dont have any more work now :(
01:14 <zombie67> right now, not getting any errors since I hit the limit
01:14 <zombie67> Results ready to send867
01:14 <Tank_Master> 11/9/2007 10:13:10 PM|traveling salesman problem|Message from server: No work sent
01:14 <Tank_Master> 11/9/2007 10:13:10 PM|traveling salesman problem|Deferring communication for 1 min 0 sec
01:14 <Tank_Master> 11/9/2007 10:13:10 PM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project
01:15 <zombie67> conflicting status
01:15 <Tank_Master> you know about the sig problem for windows?
01:15 <zombie67> Oh! Just got more work
01:15 <zombie67> I think I saw that error too.
01:16 <zombie67> ah!
01:16 <Tank_Master> its pointing to the wrong app
01:16 <zombie67> changed per day limit to per host limt
01:16 <zombie67> so only 8 per host at a time
01:17 <zombie67> Fri Nov 9 22:15:46 2007|Milkyway@home|Message from server: (reached per-host limit of 8 tasks)
01:17 <Tank_Master> a good way to do it
01:17 <Tank_Master> so one host dosent get tones
01:17 <zombie67> wait, wrong project
01:17 <zombie67> d'oh!
01:17 <Tank_Master> oh
01:17 <Tank_Master> hhaha, yes it it
01:19 <zombie67> sorry, MW is causing major pains
01:19 <zombie67> Fri Nov 9 22:15:46 2007|Milkyway@home|Message from server: (reached per-host limit of 8 tasks)
01:19 <zombie67> grr, I keep forgetting I can't copy/paste with boincmgr. have to use stupid button
01:20 <zombie67> Fri Nov 9 22:18:16 2007|traveling salesman problem|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 8 results)
01:20 <zombie67> so it looks like he has 2 per CPU, up to 4 CPUs.
01:20 <zombie67> MW keeps having DL tasks getting stuck
01:21 <zombie67> requires constant scrubbing of transfers tab
01:21 <Tank_Master> n/m, I wasnt getting work because I had the app_info.xml in there
01:21 <zombie67> well, when you do start getting work, frequently, you will get tasks stuck DL
01:22 <zombie67> and it won't ask for more to be DL with a task being DL
01:24 <zombie67> 489k @ simap. Another couple of days, and I can start cranking up POEM, lieden, sztaki, and NQueens
01:24 <Tank_Master> wate.. I tricked it into useing the app...
01:24 <Tank_Master> YES!
01:24 <Tank_Master> I got the 64bit app to run!!
01:25 <Tank_Master> that was funny
01:26 <Tank_Master> I downloaded the app normally, got the sum error.
01:26 <zombie67> gotta go. bbl
01:27 <Tank_Master> stoped BOINC the set up the app_info.xml to point to it, but didnt get any work and the current WU aborted
01:27 <Tank_Master> then I went back w/i the xml and it accepted the exicutable
01:27 <Tank_Master> ok, hf ;)
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01:46 <Tank_Master> welcome
01:47 <yoyo[RKN]> morning
01:47 <Tank_Master> haha
01:47 <Tank_Master> its 10:45pm here
01:47 <Tank_Master> I got tsp to work witht he win app
01:47 <yoyo[RKN]> 7:45 am here
01:55 <Tank_Master> man o man
01:55 <Tank_Master> you know that problem with the sig error TSP is having with the win app?
01:56 <yoyo[RKN]> i read it in the forum, but do not know what is wrong
01:56 <yoyo[RKN]> I never had it on my project
01:56 <yoyo[RKN]> signatures are always created automatic
01:57 <Tank_Master> if you look in the client.xml file, you can see app version 204 is looking for tsp.2.03.exe
01:57 <Tank_Master> so I think thats the prob, its looking att he wrong app
01:57 <Tank_Master> But, i found a way around it
01:57 <Tank_Master> not easy though
01:58 <Tank_Master> you download the app and have it error out, but dont report it so it dosent get deleted
01:58 <Tank_Master> stop BOINC and cread the app_info.xml to use the app you just downloaded as an annonimous platform
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01:59 <yoyo[RKN]> app_info should be created on the server automatic by update_versions and the content of the apps directory
01:59 <Tank_Master> but you cant get any work like tiat, so next you sto BOINC again and just remove the app_info.xml
01:59 <Tank_Master> then BOINC dosent recheck the sig on the file and just uses it normally
02:00 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm
02:00 <Tank_Master> it would appeear that the sig is only checked when its d/led and then usinf the xml clears the setting that the app is bad
02:00 <Tank_Master> and when you go back to normal, it dosent recheck the sig on the app
02:00 <yoyo[RKN]> there is a option to check the sig also on client start
02:01 <Tank_Master> dosent seem to be doing it right now
02:01 <Tank_Master> but thats interesting to know its there
02:02 <yoyo[RKN]> from trac:
02:02 <yoyo[RKN]> verify_files_on_app_start
02:02 <yoyo[RKN]> Before starting or restarting an app, check contents of input files and app version files by either MD5 or digital signature check. Detects user tampering with file (but doesn't really increase security, since user could also change MD5s or signatures in client state file).
02:03 <yoyo[RKN]> but i think it only checks and creates errors
02:03 <Tank_Master> so, then why isnt it rechecking it?
02:03 <Tank_Master> I am using 6.1.0, so it might be broke
02:03 <yoyo[RKN]> Markus did not set this option
02:03 <Tank_Master> ahhh, ok
02:04 <yoyo[RKN]> it's an option of the project config.xml
02:04 <Tank_Master> something on the server side?
02:04 <yoyo[RKN]> yes
02:04 <Tank_Master> ok, makes since then
02:05 <Tank_Master> crap, I got a circut at work down
02:05 <Tank_Master> there goes 7 P4s
02:06 <yoyo[RKN]> tsp can also have a different problem which leads to a sig fault
02:06 <Tank_Master> oh?
02:06 <yoyo[RKN]> if files for the application have the same name on win and linux, one overwrites the other and produces sig faults
02:06 <Tank_Master> ahh, :P
02:07 <Tank_Master> tsp_2.04_windows_x86_64.exe is the win app name
02:07 <Tank_Master> so Im assuming the linux would be different
02:07 <yoyo[RKN]> but maybe there are other files which are needed for the app
02:08 <Tank_Master> but like I aid earlyier, its configed for app version 204 to use file named tsp_2.03_windows_x86_64.exe
02:08 <Tank_Master> same as version 203
02:08 <yoyo[RKN]> strange
02:08 <Tank_Master> yet its downloading tsp_2.04_windows_x86_64.exe
02:09 <yoyo[RKN]> in my application I have a job.xml with different content for different OS but it had the same name
02:09 <Tank_Master> so I wonder if somehow its checking the sig for the 2.03 againce the downloaded 2.04 and failing
02:10 <Tank_Master> but in all reality, I really dont know
02:10 <Tank_Master> its just a gess
02:10 <Tank_Master> takes 11 min for it to run
02:10 <Tank_Master> on a core2duo in 64bit mode
02:10 <yoyo[RKN]> ups, fast
02:11 <Tank_Master> and I already reached the daily quota of 10
02:11 <Tank_Master> itll take me several hours to get this working on all my comps at work remotly
02:13 <yoyo[RKN]> let me check what I'm downloading
02:14 <Soul_keeper> as if lead paint wasn't bad enough, the chinese are feeding our kids toys that metabolize into the ghp date rape drug or whatever
02:15 <Romulus> compile on a regular basis but then the estimated time way off today
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02:18 <yoyo[RKN]> reached daily quota of 2 ;)
02:19 <Tank_Master> not getting any more?
02:19 <Tank_Master> theres a way around that ya know ;)
02:19 <yoyo[RKN]> no need for it
02:19 <Tank_Master> :)
02:19 <yoyo[RKN]> have enough projects
02:19 <Tank_Master> true
02:22 <yoyo[RKN]> but in projects folder I have the 2.04 windows exe
02:25 <Tank_Master> yes
02:25 <Tank_Master> now in your client.xml in the root BOINC
02:25 <Tank_Master> client_state.xml
02:25 <Tank_Master> sorry
02:25 <Tank_Master> search for TSP
02:26 <Romulus> and here i am done for tonight - going to 'jog' it - I have a shell script and do daily checks bbl
02:26 <Tank_Master> then in the section just below that were it is talking about the files for the project
02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> <app_version>
02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> <app_name>tsp</app_name>
02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> <version_num>204</version_num>
02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> <file_ref>
02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> <file_name>tsp_2.04_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>
02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> <main_program/>
02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> </file_ref>
02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> </app_version>
02:27 <Tank_Master> opk, so it looks like it may be fixed now...
02:27 <Tank_Master> ok*
02:27 <Tank_Master> it was saying <file_name>tsp_2.03_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>
02:28 <Tank_Master> even though the version_num wa 204
02:28 <Tank_Master> was*
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02:28 <Romulus> Title: Please log in (at bob.myisland.as)
02:29 <yoyo[RKN]> oh
02:29 <Tank_Master> Unable to handle request
02:30 <yoyo[RKN]> error with the wu
02:30 <Tank_Master> yeah, most everyone is getting that on windows
02:32 <yoyo[RKN]> also foreach wu, the filenames must be unique
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03:09 <Tank_Master> well, tsp just ran out of work, so I am heading to bed ;)
03:10 <Tank_Master> 11/10/2007 12:08:43 AM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project
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03:13 <Tank_Master> hiya z
03:13 <zombie67> back
03:13 <Tank_Master> tsp is now out of work
03:14 <Tank_Master> 11/10/2007 12:08:43 AM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project
03:14 <zombie67> Results ready to send794
03:14 <Tank_Master> on one comp?
03:14 <zombie67> From their web site
03:14 <Tank_Master> or r u talkin about on their server
03:14 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok
03:15 <Tank_Master> yeah
03:15 <Tank_Master> 11/10/2007 12:08:43 AM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project
03:15 <Tank_Master> might just meen I cant get those because I alredy tryed and failed
03:16 <Tank_Master> and it looks like I got 2 circuts down in the classoom now
03:16 <zombie67> circuts? power or netework?
03:16 <Tank_Master> power
03:17 <zombie67> power burp here today, just enough to dim the lights....and cause half the machines to reboot.
03:17 <Tank_Master> that takes out the 3 you gave me, 3 other P4s, a PD 2.0 and around 20 -25 P3s
03:18 <Tank_Master> 2.8*
03:18 <Tank_Master> thats gonna hurt tomorrow
03:18 <zombie67> ouch! cause?
03:19 <Tank_Master> dunno, probably overload
03:19 <Tank_Master> oh, I found a way to get TSP to work on my windows
03:19 <zombie67> better than a janitor flipping a switch
03:19 <Tank_Master> haha
03:19 <Tank_Master> yeah
03:20 <zombie67> how?
03:20 <zombie67> cosmo & LHC are down
03:20 <Tank_Master> his app takes 11 min +/- 5sec on my core2duo @ 3.07
03:20 <Tank_Master> long story
03:20 <Tank_Master> I saw I had some WUs wating to report to lhc
03:21 <Tank_Master> basicly, you know of the app_info.xml?
03:21 <zombie67> si
03:21 <Tank_Master> I added that in there to point to the app, restarted BOINC to pick it up, then deleted it and restarted BOINC again to go back to normal
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03:22 <Tank_Master> it then didnt recheck the sig on the app
03:22 <Tank_Master> so it ran fine
03:22 <zombie67> Pov has a trick to get around server limits
03:22 <Tank_Master> but I hit a max of 10
03:22 <Tank_Master> I got around the quota to
03:23 <Tank_Master> but now there no work, so no point
03:23 <zombie67> there is work
03:23 <quail> evening all, how are we all?
03:23 <Tank_Master> oh wate, I was just handed more!
03:23 <Tank_Master> not bad
03:23 <zombie67> Results ready to send795
03:24 <Tank_Master> Ive gotten a handfull, but not meny
03:24 <Tank_Master> and the quota of 10 isnt helping
03:24 <zombie67> hi quail
03:24 <zombie67> quota of 10?
03:25 <Tank_Master> the server only sends out 10 per day
03:25 <zombie67> the limit is 2 per core, 4 cores max
03:25 <Tank_Master> that only if you fail meny times on download
03:25 <Tank_Master> its actually 5 per core
03:25 <zombie67> grrr
03:25 <Tank_Master> but if you fail a d/l, then it get reduced
03:26 <Tank_Master> and increases when good WUs
03:26 <Tank_Master> so 10 was for dual core
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03:27 <Tank_Master> how long did the app take on your MAC?
03:29 <zombie67> 663 sec
03:29 <Tank_Master> bout the same
03:30 <zombie67> same as?
03:30 <Tank_Master> mine
03:30 <zombie67> you have a mac?
03:30 <Tank_Master> no
03:30 <Tank_Master> my win x64 core2
03:30 <Tank_Master> Im assuming yours is a core2 mac?
03:31 <zombie67> ah, the one at 3.07?
03:31 <Tank_Master> yeah
03:31 <zombie67> that mac is a dual Xeon 5365 (3.0ghz)
03:31 <Tank_Master> 659-675sec
03:32 <zombie67> the mac apps should be the fastes of all the stock apps
03:32 <Tank_Master> 3 are at 659
03:32 <zombie67> eventually
03:32 <Tank_Master> what fsb is that?
03:32 <Tank_Master> 1333?
03:32 <zombie67> I convinced them that since there is no legacy processors to support, they should have all the SSE,2,3 turned on.
03:33 <zombie67> lemme check
03:33 <zombie67> yes
03:33 <Tank_Master> thought so
03:33 <zombie67> but also FB DIMMs
03:34 <zombie67> so that can slow things down compared to DDR2
03:34 <Tank_Master> mine is only 1228
03:35 <Tank_Master> but the DDR2 is set with 3/3/3 timmings
03:35 <zombie67> slowest machine of mine to return a result: http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/result.php?resultid=880734
03:35 <Tank_Master> I got some kingston hyperX 800 that I am running at 614MHz
03:35 <zombie67> 3011 sec, a G4 running 1.25ghz
03:36 <zombie67> memory timings baffle me
03:36 <Tank_Master> the lower the number, the fewer cycles pass before the information is returned back to the processor
03:36 <zombie67> yes, I understand lower = faster
03:37 <Tank_Master> lol
03:37 <zombie67> anything beyond that is jibberish
03:38 <zombie67> redskins or eagles Sunday?
03:38 <zombie67> are you on the email lists for boinc?
03:39 <Tank_Master> the boinc_alpha
03:40 <zombie67> I am also on the project and dev lists
03:41 <zombie67> saenger spanked DA pretty good, for good reason, and was ignored
03:44 <zombie67> this channel will not all private conversations.
03:45 <Tank_Master> not unless your nic is registered
03:46 <zombie67> how does one regester it?
03:50 <Tank_Master> oh I forget he command
03:50 <Tank_Master> the*
03:50 <Tank_Master> wasnt hard, just one line for the command then e-mail then password
03:52 <Tank_Master> then when you connect to the server you type in "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY password"
03:52 <zombie67> \/msg
03:52 <Tank_Master> core "password" is whatever you set in the previous command
03:52 <zombie67> alsdkj
03:52 <Tank_Master> lol
03:52 <zombie67> hrm
03:53 <Tank_Master> im getttin tiered to, thinkin its not worth hacking the rest of my P3s to get to have work
03:53 <zombie67> before you go
03:53 <Tank_Master> ya?
03:53 <zombie67> the string you gave
03:54 <Tank_Master> ?
03:54 <zombie67> the only word I replace is password for my own password?
03:54 <Tank_Master> yes
03:54 <Tank_Master> but thats after you figure out the first command
03:54 <Tank_Master> its in the help files somewhere
03:54 <zombie67> from then on, I need to provide that password if I want to use my nick?
03:55 <Tank_Master> yes
03:55 <zombie67> got it
03:55 <zombie67> thanks!
03:55 <Tank_Master> and before you join a room
03:55 <Tank_Master> I set it in the "perform
03:55 <Tank_Master> " button in mIRC
03:55 <zombie67> you no se mirc
03:56 <Tank_Master> ?
03:56 <zombie67> im on a mac
03:56 <zombie67> I am not using mIRC
03:56 <zombie67> I'll get there
03:57 <Tank_Master> ahh, but there still should be something that you can enter in commands to run when you open the irc program
03:57 <Tank_Master> like so you can autojoin a room
03:57 <zombie67> right. new client, still learning it
03:57 <zombie67> I used to do all this command line
03:57 <zombie67> gui is still a learning process for me
03:57 <Tank_Master> hehe
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03:59 <zombie67> mercy
03:59 <Tank_Master> ?
03:59 <zombie67> tried to bring up a new window for the server, it automatically attached me to this channel too
03:59 <Tank_Master> hehe
04:00 <zombie67> may need to turn off auto join, register, then back on
04:00 <Tank_Master> yep
04:01 <zombie67> okay, I'll say goodnight now. I may be poping in and out.....
04:01 <Tank_Master> put in the command to register BEFORE the command to join
04:01 <Tank_Master> it wont work right the other way around
04:01 <zombie67> got it.
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04:04 <Tank_Master> wb
04:04 <zombie67> still here?
04:04 <zombie67> no go
04:04 <zombie67> I did the command string you gave me, "The nickname [zombie67] is not registered"
04:05 <Tank_Master> you need to register it first
04:05 <zombie67> I thought that is what I was doing
04:05 <Tank_Master> that command you enter in AFTER you register
04:05 <zombie67> how do I register?
04:05 <Tank_Master> look in the help
04:05 <zombie67> sigh
04:05 <Tank_Master> I dont remember right off
04:06 <zombie67> there is no register command
04:10 <freelarry> ? /msg nickserv for help on registering your name
04:11 <zombie67> Usage: MSG <nick> <message>, sends a private message
04:12 <zombie67> ? /msg nickserv
04:12 <zombie67> ?
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04:12 <freelarry> yeah try /msg nickserv help register
04:12 * CoderForLife wonders why IRC was offline again
04:12 <zombie67> !
04:12 <freelarry> mre than you ever want to know
04:13 <CoderForLife> morning
04:13 <freelarry> morn CoderForLife
04:13 <zombie67> help register
04:13 <zombie67> grrr
04:13 * CoderForLife sniffs the air, tentatively
04:13 <CoderForLife> seems like there's enough oxygen to support life
04:14 <freelarry> zombie67 try "/msg nickserv help register"
04:14 <Tank_Master> its "/msg nickserv register password"
04:14 <freelarry> minus the quotes
04:14 <Tank_Master> well, change "password" for your own
04:14 <freelarry> ahh i was going to let him read thru the help message
04:14 <zombie67> yes, and that gave me tips, but not the commands to actually register
04:15 <Tank_Master> try mine
04:15 <freelarry> yes it does as Tank_Master master has said
04:15 <freelarry> it will register your current nick in use
04:15 <zombie67> REGISTER :Unknown command
04:16 <Tank_Master> do it in the server window, not here
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04:16 <Tank_Master> also you dont need to leave
04:16 <CoderForLife> lol
04:16 <Tank_Master> ugg
04:16 <Tank_Master> was gonna tell him to set the e-mail
04:17 <Romulus> Title: freenode: frequently-asked questions (at freenode.net)
04:17 <freelarry> -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password>
04:17 <Tank_Master> I hate bots
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04:17 <Tank_Master> wb
04:17 <Romulus> Title: freenode: frequently-asked questions (at freenode.net)
04:17 <Tank_Master> I hate bots
04:17 <zombie67> nope, didn't work there either
04:17 <Tank_Master> did for me
04:18 <zombie67> REGISTER :Unknown command
04:18 <zombie67> register :Unknown command
04:18 <zombie67> ah!
04:18 <Tank_Master> when you connect to this server, you get a window
04:18 <Tank_Master> and another window for the room
04:18 <freelarry> humm worked for me - came back telling me i'm already registered
04:18 <zombie67> the web site has differnt instructions
04:19 <Tank_Master> the website is what I used
04:19 <Tank_Master> and reported here
04:19 <Tank_Master> reposted*
04:19 <zombie67> "/msg nickserv help register" says "Syntax: REGISTER <password>"
04:19 <Tank_Master> ahh
04:19 <zombie67> web site says "/msg nickserv register <your-password>"
04:20 <Tank_Master> but I posted "/msg nickserv register password"
04:20 <Tank_Master> :P
04:20 <zombie67> hmmm
04:20 <zombie67> but that didn't work. let me try again.
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04:21 <Tank_Master> ehh, well, its late
04:21 <Tank_Master> almost 1:30 AM
04:21 <Tank_Master> so im outa here
04:21 <CoderForLife> cya
04:22 <freelarry> &nn Tank_Master
04:22 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
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04:22 <Tank_Master> I hate bots
04:22 <zombie_67> how do I tell if it worked?
04:22 <freelarry> zombie_67 once you register try /msg nickserv identify password
04:23 <freelarry> messages should appear in the server window
04:23 <zombie_67> The nickname [zombie67] is not registered
04:24 <zombie_67> can't pm either
04:24 <freelarry> what are you using for chat?
04:24 <freelarry> i'm on mirc
04:24 <freelarry> no pm until registered
04:24 <zombie_67> X-Chat Aqua
04:25 <freelarry> not familiar with it
04:25 <Tank_Master> did you use the identify command before joining the room?
04:25 <Tank_Master> but after the server
04:25 <freelarry> mirc has a server window and room window
04:25 <zombie_67> can't PM you back , TM
04:25 <Tank_Master> huh
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04:26 <Tank_Master> im outa here
04:26 <freelarry> k
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04:27 <freelarry> lookst of zombie_67 problem may be his use of http
04:28 <zombie_67> may have worked a second time, different response this time
04:28 <zombie_67> brb
04:28 <freelarry> nope CoderForLife uses http also so not that
04:28 <freelarry> k
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04:29 <CoderForLife> hmm?
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04:30 <freelarry> whois shows you identified also
04:30 <zombie67> the nesxt step in the faq says "Add a valid email address to your primary nickserv entry so that we have a way to reset your password,"
04:30 <zombie67> but no instructions on how
04:31 * freelarry scratches head and tries to remember but think it was in the tools section options
04:31 <zombie67> all this stuff should be accessable via command line
04:33 <zombie67> going to quit/restart client to make sure it really works.
04:33 <zombie67> brb
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04:37 <zombie67> can anyone see me?
04:38 <freelarry> your in the room
04:38 <freelarry> and identified
04:38 <zombie67> thanks for all the help
04:39 <freelarry> well time for me to say
04:39 <freelarry> &nn all
04:39 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
04:40 <zombie67> night!
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05:50 <quail> evening all, how are we all?
05:53 <CoderForLife> morning
05:53 <quail> hey Don, how are you?
05:54 <CoderForLife> well, a careful inspection reveals all parts are accounted for, so I guess I'm OK
05:55 <CoderForLife> aside from the crazy "wake up at 400am on Saturday" thing
05:57 * CoderForLife continues his development of the new workflow system for change control for w@#%
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06:11 <quail> kewl, what have you planned for the weekend there?
06:14 <CoderForLife> this one is scary - plink spb-62-141-121-182.sovintel.spb.ru
06:15 <freelarry> soviet intellengence?
06:17 <CoderForLife> um - that's what I infer it says...
06:18 <freelarry> another oxymorn like naval intellegence
06:18 <CoderForLife> 1913 attempts to get into my FTP service this morning
06:19 <freelarry> brute force attack?
06:19 <CoderForLife> when was the Bolshevik revolution?
06:19 <freelarry> hummm
06:19 <freelarry> &google Bolshevik revolution
06:19 <Romulus> freelarry: Search took 0.14 seconds: October Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution>; Bolshevik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik>; Bolshevik Revolution : 1917: <http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/EastEurope/OctRev.html>; The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early ...: (2 more messages)
06:20 <CoderForLife> ah 1917
06:20 <CoderForLife> I thought "1913" was close...
06:20 <freelarry> so did i
06:20 <CoderForLife> they tried 1913 different passwords for Administrator
06:20 <Romulus> yeah that neat the way the linux version
06:20 <freelarry> lol then got tired
06:21 <freelarry> maybe you need to rule the attempts before blocking ip for some minutes
06:21 <CoderForLife> I am running ossec, and it is doing exactly that
06:22 <freelarry> thought i saw something in one of these linux magazines ahh
06:22 <CoderForLife> it blocks for 15 minutes
06:22 <CoderForLife> then at the top of the next hour, the attacks start again
06:22 <freelarry> how many attempts before it blocks?
06:22 <CoderForLife> I don't remember off-hand
06:22 <freelarry> ohh they bot'ing it
06:23 <freelarry> and brute forcing
06:24 <CoderForLife> hmm
06:25 <CoderForLife> my cfg may not be working
06:25 <CoderForLife> I had changed the active response from the defautl of 600 sec to 5400 sec
06:26 <CoderForLife> should block that next hour, unless they come back looking different
06:28 <CoderForLife> wow - the IP address puts it in St. Petersburg
06:32 <CoderForLife> about time for the Saturday morning errands - post office, gasoline, banking, grocery store
06:32 <CoderForLife> still dark outside
06:33 <CoderForLife> laterzzzzzz
06:33 * quail currently watching Star Wars Attack of the clones
06:34 <quail> ttyl Don, have fun with the errends
06:34 <Romulus> that's why the hell does BBC install to replace a 50 cent
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07:37 <BadBarbarian> morning all
07:39 * c0dewarrior clubs the barbarian over the head
07:58 * BadBarbarian slaps c0dewarrior with a rainbow trout
07:59 <BadBarbarian> lol
07:59 <c0dewarrior> grin
07:59 <c0dewarrior> howdy
07:59 <BadBarbarian> hows your morning going
07:59 <c0dewarrior> afternoon here, but good
07:59 <Romulus> damn it getting to point at laugh at something on irc
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08:00 <BadBarbarian> my new quad wont be here till tuesday ups dont work on veterans day
08:00 <c0dewarrior> nice
08:01 <c0dewarrior> which quad
08:01 <BadBarbarian> found a realy good deal on a refurb
08:02 <BadBarbarian> tell me what you think please
08:02 <quail> I get my brand new nvidia FX 5200 tomorrow :-)
08:02 <quail> it only been sitting at my friends place for like the last couple weeks
08:03 <BadBarbarian> cool morning quail
08:03 <BadBarbarian> or evening
08:03 <BadBarbarian> cant rember
08:04 <c0dewarrior> BadBarbarian: nice machine, good price
08:04 <BadBarbarian> thanx
08:04 <c0dewarrior> good deal
08:04 <BadBarbarian> had enough money left to add 2 more gigs of ram
08:06 <BadBarbarian> the refurb has a NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT
08:06 <c0dewarrior> good card, have a 8600gt and very happy
08:07 <BadBarbarian> dont know how much memorys on it
08:09 <quail> 8500GT iirc are 512MB ddr memory on them
08:10 <BadBarbarian> cool
08:12 <BadBarbarian> it has a tvcard i will be able to convert all the old family video tapes lol they have been in a bos for 20 years
08:12 <BadBarbarian> box
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08:33 <quail> BadBarbarian: kewl
08:33 <quail> wdsmia: hiya Doug, how are things?
08:34 <wdsmia> growl grunt scratch need coffee!
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08:50 <quail> The mathematical relationship of "funny" is as follows: The awesomeness of the prank is directly proportionate to the volume of shite it can land you in. Therefor, removing all toilet paper rolls from a workplace is less awesome than ordering a hooker to show up to the first appearance of a new pope and accusing him of getting her pregnant
08:53 <quail> Pranks can also be improved by adding a 3rd variable independent of the other two, IE removing all toilet paper on the same day that you dissolve laxatives in all the water bottles and coffee machines, or ordering the hooker who shows up for the pope to be male
08:53 <quail> At this point, the awesomeness growth ceases to be proportionate to another variable, but instead becomes exponential
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09:07 <CoderForLife> plink srv1.agenda-ftp.noris.de
09:10 <quail> plonk
09:11 <CoderForLife> gas mask, StormTrooper or Mickey Mouse as riot policeman? http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=4&photo_id=4846
09:11 <quail> CoderForLife: like my funnies above
09:13 <CoderForLife> bbiab
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09:45 <MTughan> Well, that was nice... Just woke up about an hour ago.
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09:48 <yoyo[RKN]> moin MTughan
09:48 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo
09:48 <MTughan> Thanks for your help with the yoyo WUs before. They're crunching fine now.
09:49 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)
09:50 <yoyo[RKN]> the project runs currently without touching it
09:50 <MTughan> Cool...
09:50 <Romulus> it couldn't but that looks at long rabfe hi-rez radar
09:50 <Romulus> Title: Is it Christmas? (at www.isitchristmas.com)
09:51 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)
09:53 <MTughan> Still no mweltin... Have some more optimized apps for OS X here.
09:54 <yoyo[RKN]> how do you optimize it?
09:54 <MTughan> GCC flags.
09:55 <MTughan> For Intel, I have "-O3 -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math -msse -msse2 -mfpmath=sse -march=prescott"
09:55 <MTughan> For PPC, I have "-O3 -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math -mcpu=powerpc"
09:55 <yoyo[RKN]> aha
09:56 <MTughan> I have no idea if any of the processor specific flags work though. Haven't done any tests on them. -O3, -ftree-vectorize, and -ffast-math do speed the app up by about 25% over unoptimized though.
09:57 <yoyo[RKN]> why are such switches necessary and not set as default
09:57 <MTughan> Because it's normally unoptimized for easier debugging.
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10:19 <MTughan> Your connection seems to be unstable...
10:19 <Romulus> mweltin: WU finished in 2 or 3 ?
10:19 <MTughan> lol. Rommie, mweltin
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10:19 <MTughan> ../s not here.
10:23 <MTughan> Hmm... Might have to start again on trying to get BURP for Mac...
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10:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do you remember the instructions to compile BURP? I think I'll need Blender from their site, but I don't remember and am in the middle of looking for instructions in the forums.
10:46 <CoderForLife> hello all
10:46 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
10:46 <CoderForLife> how are you, Michael
10:46 <MTughan> PRetty good.
10:46 <CoderForLife> any snow up Toronto way?
10:46 <MTughan> Had some yesterday, but it melted on contact with the ground.
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10:46 <MTughan> 'lo BB
10:46 <CoderForLife> the best is yet to come
10:47 <CoderForLife> hellooo Arizona
10:47 <BadBarbarian> lo
10:47 <BadBarbarian> hey
10:47 <BadBarbarian> i was thinking
10:47 * CoderForLife hides
10:47 <MTughan> lol
10:47 * CoderForLife peeks out
10:47 <BadBarbarian> with your help i might try putting linux on my new quad
10:48 <CoderForLife> who is "your"?
10:48 * CoderForLife points to MT
10:48 <MTughan> What?
10:48 <BadBarbarian> lol anybody is better installing linux than i am
10:48 <CoderForLife> lol
10:49 <MTughan> Whether you can actually use all four cores is beyond my expertise.
10:50 <MTughan> Any idea how to compile BURP?
10:50 <BadBarbarian> me not a clue
10:51 <MTughan> Ah, there's the instructions...
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11:06 <Tank_Master> hey
11:06 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with a silver marshmallow
11:06 <MTughan> :D
11:16 <Tank_Master> down to les tha 300 WUs in TSP
11:20 <MTughan> Anyone know where the include paths are stored for GCC?
11:21 <Tank_Master> nope
11:25 <MTughan> Well, I'm off for a bit... Blender still not fully built, but it'll have to wait.
11:25 <CoderForLife> later
11:27 <Tank_Master> hf
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11:34 * your moma
11:34 <BadBarbarian> lol
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11:35 <Tank_Master> someone already registered "your"
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11:50 <Tank_Master> I got 107 credits pending in tsp
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13:39 <wdsmia> &ping
13:39 <Romulus> pong
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13:44 <BadBarbarian> lol
13:44 <BadBarbarian> &pong
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14:05 <E-30> hey
14:06 <yoyo[RKN]> hey
14:13 <E-30> how are you doing
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14:38 <PovAddict> tsp failing to resolve DNS :|
14:38 <Tank_Master> its working finr for me...
14:38 <Tank_Master> fine*
14:39 <PovAddict> then get me its IP please :P
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14:43 <Tank_Master> ?
14:44 <Tank_Master> cant figure it ouut
14:44 <Tank_Master> 22.214.171.124
14:45 <Tank_Master> ill bbl
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15:26 <MTughan> Hello mweltin.
15:27 <yoyo[RKN]> moin markus
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15:32 <MTughan> Hello mweltin_.
16:07 <PovAddict> mweltin_: *poke*
16:10 <mweltin_> hey
16:10 <mweltin_> sorry
16:10 <mweltin_> cleaning up the house a little
16:10 <PovAddict> I posted some on the forum
16:10 <MTughan> And I have new applications for you.
16:10 <Romulus> E down down for 3 days 10 hrs 21 mins 6 secs | Load: 1.15 1.18 1.16 | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 41.80M Out: 3.22M
16:10 <mweltin_> I loved the pic "your doing it wrong"
16:10 <MTughan> Hehe...
16:10 <PovAddict> www.doingitwrong.com
16:12 <mweltin_> MTughan: where is the app
16:12 <MTughan> I have it on my system right now... Let me upload it.
16:13 <mweltin_> so PovAddict what is the deal with news, I just let that file grow out of control?
16:13 <PovAddict> yep
16:14 <PovAddict> the main page will only show recent ones
16:14 <PovAddict> the RSS feed will only show recent ones
16:14 <Romulus> Title: News archive (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
16:14 <PovAddict> see how far back it goes
16:14 <MTughan> Hold up on the i386, I messed up the upload...
16:16 <mweltin_> I'll have those up soon, I'm trying to catch up with the forum a bit.
16:16 <MTughan> Okay.
16:17 <mweltin_> Tank_Master is still getting a sig error, I assume its a signature error.
16:18 <PovAddict> yeah
16:18 <MTughan> WTF? http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/1435_ATT00048.jpg
16:18 <PovAddict> I think you should deprecate that version and make a new one
16:18 <mweltin_> good call
16:18 <PovAddict> what platform fails?
16:18 <MTughan> Haha! http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/wegfahrsperre.jpg
16:19 <PovAddict> 32 or 64bit windoze?
16:19 <mweltin_> 64 was the last one he was talking about in the forum.
16:20 <PovAddict> check on the ops page the XML for that version
16:20 <PovAddict> should have md5, sig, url...
16:20 <MTughan> And shouldn't that be mirrored on your server too?
16:21 <PovAddict> nope, if it was, I would be able to change it...
16:21 <MTughan> Except for sig errors.
16:21 <mweltin_> PovAddict has the 32 bit one.
16:21 <MTughan> And you'd definitely had MD5 errors.
16:21 <PovAddict> I mean, the xml is not on my server
16:22 <PovAddict> I host the executable only
16:23 <PovAddict> mweltin_: I have the 64-bit too
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16:24 <mweltin_> that it
16:24 <MTughan> 'lo BB
16:24 <BadBarbarian> lo
16:24 <mweltin_> the file signature is the first one I generated
16:24 <mweltin_> I used the wrong syntax for the crypt_prog file
16:24 <mweltin_> and update_versions never changed it, like I assumed it would
16:24 <mweltin_> assumptions, hahahaha
16:24 <mweltin_> and such an ass
16:25 <mweltin_> ok
16:25 <MTughan> Nice...
16:25 <PovAddict> you could try editing the app_versions table directly to have the right sig; or making a new version
16:26 <mweltin_> I'll just make a new version, I'm good with databases but one wrong where clause and it would be a disaster. Just as easy to make a new version.
16:29 <MTughan> crunch3r said last night that he could do a better job at optimizing the app if he wanted to. His version was just about on par with mine.
16:29 <mweltin_> are you guys changing the code or just the build?
16:30 <Romulus> I only know how much Jack will go thru but other would have eaten it ourselves
16:30 <PovAddict> crunch3r has been known for changing the SETI code manually to use SSE-something instructions with intrinsics; I don't think he's doing that for your app
16:31 <MTughan> &ping
16:31 <Romulus> pong
16:32 <mweltin_> well I have svn users for MTughan Tank_Master PovAddict and crunch3r, you are all welcome to do what you want in your own branch.
16:32 <MTughan> Hmm, what happened to Rommie?
16:32 <mweltin_> who?
16:32 <PovAddict> Romulus
16:32 <mweltin_> oh
16:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: ping
16:33 <PovAddict> are *you* having lag?
16:33 <MTughan> PovAddict: Still there?
16:34 <PovAddict> yes
16:34 <PovAddict> sounds like you're in write-only mode in the channel
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16:35 <mweltin_> ls
16:35 <PovAddict> MTughan: wtf?
16:35 <MTughan> &ping
16:35 <Romulus> pong
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16:35 <MTughan> Rommie doesn't seem to be responding...
16:35 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046
16:35 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly cloudy early in the morning then becoming mostly sunny. Highs 57 to 63. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 28 to 34. Light winds.; Veterans Day - Cooler. Partly cloudy. Highs 51 to 57. Light winds.;
16:36 <MTughan> Well, I know that I'm at least receiving stuff now. 'lo BB
16:36 <BadBarbarian> your rught rommies on strike
16:36 <PovAddict> MTughan: are you in write-only mode or what?
16:36 <MTughan> Like Hollywood writers. :(
16:36 <BadBarbarian> right
16:36 <BadBarbarian> yep
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16:38 <MTughan_> Damn you, Colloquy...
16:38 <PovAddict> it was a netsplit this time
16:38 <MTughan_> For you. Not me.
16:38 <PovAddict> and services (chanserv and friends) are down again
16:39 <MTughan_> Yep... So I can't ghost MTughan
16:39 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
16:40 <MTughan_> I didn't see any of that...
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16:40 <PovAddict> netsplit over
16:40 <MTughan_> And that was posted as C++. :P
16:40 <PovAddict> meh
16:40 <Romulus> yep - got to go to the store
16:41 <PovAddict> <Tstarnes> and my ghost is still haunting me
16:41 <MTughan_> Whoa... Colloquy connected to a different server, it seems.
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16:42 <MTughan_> WTF was that?
16:42 <PovAddict> freenode is currently experiencing some turbulence
16:43 <PovAddict> so hold to your seat and wait
16:43 <MTughan_> * Closing Link: ip-126.96.36.199.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net (Killed by ballard.freenode.net (Nick collision))
16:43 <PovAddict> ah right
16:43 <PovAddict> you got your nickname back, but it was still alive in another server
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16:43 <PovAddict> when those servers reconnect to each other, suddenly there's two people with the same name
16:43 <MTughan_> There's Colloquy...
16:43 <PovAddict> solution: kick *both*
16:44 <MTughan_> WTF? Colloquy seems to be connected, but nothing from there comes through...
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16:45 <mweltin_> ok, new mac and windows are up.
16:45 <MTughan_> Ah, f*ck Colloquy for now.
16:45 <MTughan_> Okay, cool...
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16:46 <PovAddict> mweltin_: so four new files?
16:46 <PovAddict> win 32/64 mac intel/ppc?
16:46 <MTughan> MD5 error...
16:46 <mweltin_> mac's are not nad hte 32/64 are just a version number change.
16:47 <mweltin_> MTughan: are you kidding me?
16:47 <MTughan> Nope.
16:47 <mweltin_> WTF
16:47 <MTughan> Second worked.
16:48 <PovAddict> hmm what's up with .05 and .06 for mac?
16:48 <mweltin_> they should be 06
16:48 <MTughan> That's what I got.
16:48 <MTughan> Running.
16:48 <mweltin_> I have to change the version number for update_versions to see it as new.
16:49 <PovAddict> both new windows apps are .05, and there is a .05 on mac, what was that one?
16:49 <mweltin_> the two windws are 05
16:49 <mweltin_> and the two macs are 06
16:49 <PovAddict> give me md5s for all four files
16:49 <mweltin_> ok
16:50 <PovAddict> win apps are 300KB?! wow
16:50 <MTughan> Man, Freenode really is screwed up right now...
16:51 <MTughan> That explains it.
16:51 <Romulus> that government will fall pretty soon... and Thanks for the ages
16:51 <PovAddict> btw, I'd suggest you ./bin/stop until I get the apps mirrored... ;)
16:51 <mweltin_> ok
16:51 <PovAddict> so that your bandwidth doesn't suffer so much
16:52 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
16:52 <mweltin_> those are the md5sums
16:55 <mweltin_> project is stopped so let me know whey you are ready
16:55 <PovAddict> I'm still downloading the apps from your server, slowly
16:55 <PovAddict> tsp_2.06_i686-apple-darwin (the other three are done): 14% [====> ] 172,528 9.39K/s ETA 02:33
16:56 <mweltin_> you are getting at lest 19kb/s
16:56 <mweltin_> whats your problem?
16:56 <PovAddict> ok just sped up to 10KB/s
16:56 <MTughan> PovAddict: You want the versions from my server?
16:56 <mweltin_> LOL
16:57 <PovAddict> only 30 seconds remaining, so no thanks
16:57 <PovAddict> omgrain
16:57 <MTughan> For both to be downloaded?
16:58 <PovAddict> and done
16:58 <PovAddict> the other was done already
16:58 <MTughan> Okay, that works.
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16:58 <PovAddict> and sum matches
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16:58 <PovAddict> another nick collision...
16:59 <MTughan> Damn, that was annoying...
16:59 <PovAddict> mweltin_: ok, add the redirects for all four apps
16:59 <mweltin_> PovAddict: do I need to add a redirect for the win64bit ?
16:59 <MTughan> Yeah, Colloquy seems to kill me.
16:59 <MTughan> And then promptly crash. >_>
16:59 <PovAddict> it was the server that killed your connection
16:59 <PovAddict> colloquy seems to mis-handle that...
17:00 <MTughan> Could be.
17:00 <mweltin_> PovAddict: did you get teh windows 64 as well or just the 32?
17:00 <PovAddict> all four files: tsp_2.06_i686-apple-darwin, tsp_2.06_powerpc-apple-darwin, tsp_2.05_windows_x86_64.exe, tsp_2.05_windows_intelx86.exe
17:01 <mweltin_> sweet
17:01 <mweltin_> ok apache restarted and project started
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17:02 <PovAddict> I see 775 requests on my access log, I'll count from now :)
17:02 <Romulus> eek, wasted CPU time all the way movie actors portray them ;)
17:02 <mweltin_> I only have 13GB left, and NEWS once a day might just fill that up sooner than I think.
17:03 <PovAddict> hmm, still not getting any new req
17:04 <PovAddict> *one* download
17:05 <PovAddict> I thought I would get flooded
17:05 <mweltin_> what is your quota?
17:05 <MTughan> Ah, ChanServ seems to be back...
17:05 <PovAddict> mweltin_: I'm not attached...
17:06 <mweltin_> ahh
17:06 <PovAddict> I got only one download on my server
17:06 <MTughan> I already downloaded the Mac version. Tank_Master, can you try it?
17:07 <MTughan> Still no zombie67 either... He could test both the Intel and PPC versions on stock machines.
17:08 <MTughan> Okay, gonna risk bringing Colloquy back on...
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17:08 <PovAddict> still nobody else downloaded the app?! wtf
17:08 <MTughan_> There we go!
17:08 <PovAddict> I got a single request for tsp/tsp_2.05_windows_intelx86.exe and nothing else since that
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17:09 <mweltin_> I assume most people are over their quota or not getting new tasks.
17:09 <PovAddict> do you *have* tasks?
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17:10 <mweltin_> there are about 60 WU's ready to send.
17:10 <PovAddict> can you force the server status to update?
17:10 <MTughan> I've got two. First one finished, about the same amount of time.
17:10 <mweltin_> yeah just a sec
17:10 <MTughan> Enabling SSE didn't seem to do too much.
17:11 <PovAddict> so yes there is work...
17:11 <mweltin_> updated sever status
17:12 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do you know how average CPU times are calculated for machines on most projects? Are they generated from the machine benchmarks?
17:12 <PovAddict> UPDATE host SET max_results_day=30; maybe?
17:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: you mean the estimate?
17:12 <MTughan> Yep.
17:12 <MTughan> 1670 hrs seems high.
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17:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: it's the estimated task fpops divided by the machine benchmarks
17:13 <PovAddict> the former is wrong, ask mweltin :)
17:13 <MTughan> So the estimated FPOPS is off...
17:13 <MTughan> lol
17:13 <mweltin_> MTughan: way off
17:13 <mweltin_> just made it super high so it wouldn't be a problem.
17:13 <MTughan> So I see. 1670 hrs down to 14 minutes? :D
17:13 <mweltin_> fpops_bound and estimate are lik 1E16
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17:14 <MTughan> )_)
17:14 <MTughan> O_O
17:14 <PovAddict> hmm
17:14 <MTughan> Wrong key...
17:14 <PovAddict> WTF
17:14 <PovAddict> 28 days estimate
17:15 <PovAddict> on my machine
17:15 <MTughan> &math convert 1670 hours to days
17:15 <Romulus> MTughan: 69.5833333333
17:15 <PovAddict> &math calc 1e16 / 4056331450
17:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
17:15 <PovAddict> that second number is my benchmarks
17:15 <PovAddict> hmm
17:15 <PovAddict> &math calc (10**16) / 4056331450
17:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2465281.77573
17:15 <mweltin_> I'll set max results to 5 because I think that is what it is in hte config.xml
17:16 <PovAddict> mweltin_: huh? 5 per day? that's low
17:16 <MTughan> 14 minutes a WU, and I could run 2.
17:16 <PovAddict> I just got another win download request
17:16 <MTughan> &math convert 24 hours to minutes
17:16 <Romulus> MTughan: 1440
17:16 <MTughan> &math convert 1440 / 14
17:16 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: is not a valid unit.
17:16 <MTughan> &math calc 1440 / 14
17:16 <Romulus> MTughan: 102.857142857
17:16 <MTughan> So I could do 200 WUs a day.
17:17 <mweltin_> let me check the dealy_bound
17:17 <MTughan> zombie67 has an 8-core 3.0GHz Intel machine. Mine is 2.0GHz.
17:17 <mweltin_> I htink the delay is still one day
17:18 <PovAddict> did you reset everybody's daily quota already?
17:18 <mweltin_> I figured on my box stuff was taking ~ an hour, and if I had five and shutdown my box I may not get them all done.
17:18 <mweltin_> no
17:18 <mweltin_> ok
17:18 <mweltin_> now its one
17:18 <PovAddict> mweltin_: well it's boinc's problem to handle how much to download
17:18 <mweltin_> I made it 20
17:19 <mweltin_> PovAddict: what do you mean?
17:19 <PovAddict> the client will handle how much it downloads according to its speed, how much time of the day it's on, etc
17:19 <mweltin_> my client correctes itself to not get 20 if I can't finish 20
17:20 <mweltin_> ok so I should really dial in the fpops_est and bound then?
17:20 <mweltin_> or do they not count for much?
17:20 <PovAddict> you should have correct estimates, yes
17:20 <PovAddict> as accurate as possible
17:20 <mweltin_> ok
17:20 <PovAddict> I still get few downloads btw
17:21 <PovAddict> well, a bit more than before
17:22 <MTughan> Hehe... By my calculations, zombie67 should be able to do 1152 of these WUs a day...
17:22 <PovAddict> o.o
17:22 <mweltin_> ok my time (this is real time not cpu time) was 71m11.2275 sec, and my integer benchmark was 1890 on the same machine......
17:23 <MTughan> Of course, no other projects running, but that's beside the point.
17:23 <mweltin_> 8.01e6
17:23 <PovAddict> 1890 *million*
17:23 <MTughan> ?
17:23 <mweltin_> so would making my bound double that and my estimate that be good?
17:24 <PovAddict> you need ~8e12
17:24 <mweltin_> I'm re running the benchmark now.
17:24 <mweltin_> just to make sure.
17:24 <mweltin_> 1898 MIPS
17:25 <mweltin_> ok so million wich is just e6
17:25 <mweltin_> so my estimate should be 8.1e12th
17:25 <PovAddict> 71m 11.2275s = 4271.2275 seconds
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17:26 <PovAddict> &math calc 4271.2275 * 1898000000
17:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: 8106789795000
17:26 <MTughan> Yeah, I can tell your machine is slower... From your project, I have 4426.07 million ops/sec.
17:26 <PovAddict> 8.1067898e12
17:26 <PovAddict> yeah, 8.1e12 will do
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17:27 <MTughan> Wait, floating point or integer?
17:27 <MTughan> FP, 1586.85 million ops/sec
17:27 <mweltin_> that was integer
17:27 <PovAddict> tsp app doesn't use fp anyway
17:27 <MTughan> Okay, so Intel's processors has really come along.
17:27 <MTughan> Well, that could explain why SSE had no effect... --mfp-math=sse
17:28 <MTughan> GCC switch. FP math didn't exist. :P
17:28 <mweltin_> 100 * est is good for bound or what?
17:28 <PovAddict> 10* is enough
17:28 <PovAddict> with 100x it would run for 5 days before getting aborted
17:28 <MTughan> Okay, so I can remake these and when we have more updates, we can use that. SSE won't hurt for now.
17:29 <mweltin_> ok nest round will be good.
17:30 <mweltin_> now its finally time for some new code.
17:30 <mweltin_> I'm going to try to ditch the while loop (crunh3r suggested that as an optimization) I have and add the status in.
17:33 <mweltin_> And THANK YOU a millions times over for all your help. If you are ever in the neighbor hood stop by, we can go diving.
17:33 <MTughan> I don't think I'll be getting out to AS anytime soon... :P
17:33 <PovAddict> ditto
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17:34 <mweltin_> well the offer still stands
17:35 <Romulus> Title: EA donates SimCity to OLPC | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)
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17:49 <CoderForLife> hello
17:49 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
17:50 <CoderForLife> pretty cool news on SimCity
17:50 <CoderForLife> 'lo MTughan
17:51 <CoderForLife> brb need to close down a birdfeeder so the raccoons can't empty it overnight
17:56 <MTughan> bbiab too. Got a C++ book today. :D
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17:56 <mweltin_> same here I'm going to slack off a bit
17:57 <mweltin_> before I go boincers
17:57 <mweltin_> later
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17:57 <MTughan> &nn all
17:57 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
17:57 <MTughan> Is that supposed to be "night, night"? Oops...
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18:26 * CoderForLife finally gets back to his desk
18:28 * PovAddict tries to understand JSP
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18:31 <CoderForLife> <picture><talking><in><tags></tags></in></talking></picture>
18:31 <Romulus> MiB is explicitly geared to general multimedia production."
18:31 <MTughan> <picture_talking_in_tags />
18:32 <CoderForLife> <or not/>
18:32 <MTughan> Holy crap! http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/1611_trains-side-swipe-each-other.jpg
18:32 <CoderForLife> look what it did to the faces of those men!
18:32 <BadBarbarian> ohio just lost lsu #1
18:33 * CoderForLife stands and salutes The Ohio State University
18:34 <CoderForLife> besides PovAddict, JSP is "legacy" - JSF is the new approach
18:34 <PovAddict> the higher level I go, the more the low-level components screw up the HTML
18:34 <PovAddict> I have never seen a SINGLE JavaEE-based webapp with valid HTML
18:36 <PovAddict> "Unlike other traditional request-driven MVC web frameworks, JSF uses a component-based approach. The state of UI components is saved when the client requests a new page and then is restored when the request is returned."
18:36 <PovAddict> ...
18:36 <PovAddict> definitely "no thanks"
18:38 <CoderForLife> it is the way of things
18:38 * CoderForLife steadfastly points to the future
18:38 * PovAddict points at Steve Gibson
18:39 <PovAddict> he uses assembler
18:39 <CoderForLife> we are converting everything from JSP to JSF
18:39 <PovAddict> opposite ends? :P
18:40 <CoderForLife> we just converted a critical app from Struts so that it works better with the portal and JSF
18:41 <CoderForLife> any whey....
18:41 <CoderForLife> off for the evening - take care folks
18:41 <CoderForLife> hmm - looks like I'm already "away"
18:42 * CoderForLife makes it official
18:50 <Tank_Master> howdy
18:50 <Tank_Master> ge CFL
18:51 <Tank_Master> (good evening)
18:55 <BadBarbarian> you have to go to this website and click on picture
18:55 <Romulus> Title: DOING IT WRONG (at www.doingitwrong.com)
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18:59 <sethiroth66> PovAddict
18:59 <PovAddict> :o
18:59 <sethiroth66> :o
18:59 <sethiroth66> guess what day it is here
19:00 <PovAddict> 11/11?
19:00 <sethiroth66> yes
19:00 <sethiroth66> but
19:00 <sethiroth66> in binary?
19:00 <sethiroth66> its the last of the set?
19:00 <PovAddict> ......
19:01 <sethiroth66> 1111
19:01 <sethiroth66> and when its 11:09 we can be like
19:01 <sethiroth66> omg 1111 1110 next
19:01 <PovAddict> ......
19:01 <sethiroth66> and then 1111 1111
19:01 <sethiroth66> <3
19:02 <PovAddict> well...
19:02 <PovAddict> now I don't know what's more weird
19:02 <PovAddict> the ocremix song I was listening to, or you
19:02 <PovAddict> the song being: The Legend of Zelda 'The Music Of My Groin'
19:03 <sethiroth66> doint dis zelda!
19:03 <Romulus> Title: ReMix: The Legend of Zelda 'The Music Of My Groin' - OverClocked ReMix (at www.ocremix.org)
19:03 <sethiroth66> and i noticed in the 0001 - 1000 torrent on ocremix isnt even 1000
19:04 <PovAddict> waitIphail
19:04 <sethiroth66> LOLPHAIL
19:04 <sethiroth66> erm
19:04 <sethiroth66> *scrolls up*
19:05 <sethiroth66> i want them all d:
19:08 <sethiroth66> you know on tv at night there are them quiz shows?
19:09 <PovAddict> on your country maybe
19:09 <sethiroth66> like find the word call some number and win this ammount but we charge you if you get through or not
19:10 <sethiroth66> welll there is this woman on now and she has nipple on
19:10 <Romulus> but no IP block for ever :( Godizilla has been using BOINC?
19:10 <sethiroth66> Mozilla or Gidzilla?
19:10 <sethiroth66> god even
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19:19 <PovAddict> &cyborg fsm
19:19 <Romulus> PovAddict: F.S.M.: Functional Synthetic Machine
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19:47 <mweltin> PovAddict: you here?
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19:50 <BadBarbarian> whats up with the srever
19:50 <BadBarbarian> server
19:59 <Tank_Master> which server?
19:59 <Tank_Master> hiya mw
20:00 <Tank_Master> @cyborg BOINC
20:00 <Tank_Master> &cyborg BOINC
20:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: B.O.I.N.C.: Biomechanical Operational Immediate Nullification Construct
20:00 <mweltin> hey Tank_Master
20:00 <mweltin> things seem to be working a little better now.
20:01 <mweltin> Pov hooked me up on both the rss and sig issues.
20:01 <mweltin> and MTughan made some new mac apps
20:01 <mweltin> it was a busy morning
20:01 <MTughan> Booya!
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20:02 <MTughan> Sorry...
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20:10 <Tank_Master> I found a workaround on the windows app yesterday
20:10 <Tank_Master> to be able to still use the app that was d/led
20:10 <Tank_Master> bit now none have validated
20:10 <Tank_Master> and your out of work
20:11 <mweltin> yeah, I figured out my mistake on my naming convention.
20:11 <mweltin> I have to put the prefix back on.
20:11 <Tank_Master> what it what I pointed out?
20:11 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok
20:11 <mweltin> I'll run my genWork prog, and told it to generate 100 WU's
20:12 <mweltin> and I only got 70, due to name collisions.
20:12 <mweltin> with past workunits.
20:13 <Tank_Master> Ive gotten *some* credit now!
20:14 <mweltin> YEAH!!!!
20:14 <mweltin> you earned that and more.
20:14 <Tank_Master> still getting several not validatsin (think it "Still")
20:15 <mweltin> I'm working on the validator now.
20:15 <PovAddict> boo
20:15 <MTughan> apt-get moo
20:15 <mweltin> going to switch it to xml based
20:15 <Tank_Master> wich I coulda gotten my 330 credits I claimed for one 40h WU the other day ;)
20:15 <Tank_Master> cool
20:15 <Tank_Master> are you going to revalidate the past WUs?
20:17 <Tank_Master> wow, I did 10k yesterday in ABC with only 5 P4s and one core2
20:17 <MTughan> Nice.
20:17 <Tank_Master> gotta love 64bit ;)_
20:17 <MTughan> Is it because of 64-bit, or are the machines just fast?
20:18 <Tank_Master> those 1k WUs are nice to
20:18 <PovAddict> 64-bit is a lot faster on ABC
20:18 <Tank_Master> for ABC, because its integer math, 64bit double your throughput
20:18 <MTughan> Good point.
20:18 <MTughan> Looks like about 9 hours for one ABC WU here.
20:19 <Tank_Master> dedicating more core2duo firstname.lastname@example.org can get a RAC of 2.9K
20:19 <Tank_Master> it vetties
20:19 <Tank_Master> verries*
20:19 <MTughan> varies*
20:20 <Tank_Master> most will take lecc than a 1/2 hr, others will take over 6 on my core2
20:20 <mweltin> hey how do I search the boinc_projects mailing list archive?
20:20 <Tank_Master> the 6h ones you get 1,000 credits for
20:20 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a private 64-bit P4
20:21 * Tank_Master is immuned to 64bit P4 privates, for he owns 5
20:21 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a buggy 64-bit P4
20:21 * Tank_Master puts MTughan's MAC to good use as a boat ancher
20:21 <MTughan> Better?
20:21 <MTughan> Better?
20:21 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with an eerie 64-bit P4
20:22 <Tank_Master> hehe
20:22 <MTughan> Now random objects...
20:22 * MTughan smacks Tank_Master with an idling channel operator
20:22 * Tank_Master slaps MTughan with a bot
20:22 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with a summoned zergling
20:22 <MTughan> &cyborg zergling
20:22 * Tank_Master has his seage tank ready
20:23 <Romulus> MTughan: Z.E.R.G.L.I.N.G.: Zeta Electronic Replicant Generated for Logical Infiltration and Nocturnal Gratification
20:23 <MTughan> siege?
20:23 <Tank_Master> same diff
20:24 <Tank_Master> $cyborg Leviathan
20:24 <MTughan> &
20:24 <Tank_Master> &cyborg Leviathan
20:24 <MTughan> &cybord Leviathan
20:24 <Romulus> Tank_Master: L.E.V.I.A.T.H.A.N.: Lifelike Electronic Variant Intended for Assassination, Thorough Harm and Accurate Nullification
20:24 <MTughan> I typed too fast.
20:25 <MTughan> lol
20:25 <Tank_Master> haha, so true
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20:25 * MTughan bashes Tank_Master with a mechanic bottle
20:27 <mweltin> PovAddict: there is something I'm missing about the validator?
20:27 <PovAddict> I can't really read your mind from here
20:27 * Tank_Master womps MTughan with a purple wombat
20:27 <Tank_Master> hehe
20:27 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with an unworthy tooth fairy
20:27 <Tank_Master> well, why not?
20:27 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a good sword of haste
20:27 <mweltin> it all stats with init_result
20:27 <mweltin> reading my mind is easy, usually blank.
20:28 <mweltin> does the validator only get called when there is a min_quorum?
20:28 <PovAddict> well, if min_quorum is 1, it gets called to validate (init_result) the single result, and the comparison function is never called
20:28 <PovAddict> I guess...
20:28 <mweltin> ok
20:29 <mweltin> so lets say min_quorum is 3
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20:29 <mweltin> init_result is called 3 times?
20:29 <Tank_Master> ill bbl, makin pizza
20:29 <mweltin> e.g. reslut a, b, c
20:29 <MTughan> reslut?
20:29 <PovAddict> it's called for all results available, actually...
20:30 <MTughan> That didn't come out right, lol
20:30 <Tank_Master> why noe x, y, and z?
20:30 <mweltin> so is it called on a timer, like once a day?
20:30 <PovAddict> for example, when a single result comes back, init_result gets called to see if it's at least valid XML (without being able to *compare* it of course)
20:30 * wdsmia asks the room to please watch there language… Thanks, your friendly channel op
20:31 <MTughan> Sorry...
20:32 <mweltin> so init_result is called everytime a result comes in.
20:32 <PovAddict> ...sort of
20:32 <mweltin> so all init_result does it pack data into a structure "data"
20:32 <PovAddict> well, yeah
20:32 <mweltin> that is its only job.
20:32 <mweltin> ok, lets just go with that for now.
20:33 <PovAddict> but for your files, you'd need to parse the XML
20:33 <PovAddict> right?
20:33 <mweltin> yes
20:33 <mweltin> I understand.
20:33 <PovAddict> so if it's totally invalid XML, that's where you'd notice
20:33 <mweltin> so init_results can also be used to mark results as invalid?
20:34 <mweltin> like a kind of prefilter?
20:34 <PovAddict> yep, that validates the result alone
20:35 <mweltin> ok, and I use the return value to mark the valid state.
20:35 <PovAddict> "Any other return value [from init_result] indicates a permanent error. Example: an output file is missing, or *has a syntax error*. The result will be marked as invalid."
20:35 <mweltin> ok
20:35 <mweltin> I'm looking at that page now.
20:35 <mweltin> but here is where things are still a little fuzzy.
20:36 <mweltin> compare_results has two data structures pointers.
20:36 <mweltin> where they both created using init_result?
20:36 <PovAddict> yep
20:38 <mweltin> ok so there is some internal boinc bookkeeper (maby validator.C or validate_util.C) that is keeping track of, and making all these calls to init and compare _results.
20:38 <PovAddict> imagine it's called like this:
20:38 <PovAddict> init_result(result1, structure1);
20:38 <PovAddict> init_result(result2, structure2);
20:38 <PovAddict> compare_results(result1, structure1, result2, structure2, match);
20:39 <mweltin> the decision on the canonical result is arbitrary?
20:39 <mweltin> done by boinc, not me?
20:39 <PovAddict> yes, the canonical result is "one of" the valid ones
20:39 <PovAddict> if you need control over what the canonical result is, you need to use the "advanced" validator framework
20:40 <mweltin> ok, its all int stuff so for now simple framework will do.
20:40 <mweltin> I think I get this now.
20:40 <PovAddict> (in fact, the simple framework is made with the advanced validator, calling your functions)
20:40 <mweltin> seems obvious after the conversation.
20:44 <mweltin> PovAddict: in you opnion is it better to fix the numer of credits per workunit.
20:44 <PovAddict> yeah, but it's a bit tricky...
20:44 <mweltin> I dont' care about credits, so for all I care I'll hand them out like candy.
20:44 <mweltin> but somepeople are serious about credits.
20:44 <PovAddict> if your project gives ten times less credits than other projects, people will complain a lot
20:45 <PovAddict> if your project gives ten times more credits than other projects, people will complain just as much
20:45 <mweltin> perfect
20:45 <MTughan> Just different people?
20:45 <PovAddict> so even with fixed credits, you need to try keeping a bit in sync with the "standard" amount of credits
20:46 <PovAddict> if *everybody* gets (considerably) more or less credits per day on this project than on others, problems happen...
20:48 <mweltin> so what is the standard, is it based on fpops?
20:48 <mweltin> time?
20:48 <PovAddict> yeah
20:49 <mweltin> does every valid result get credit?
20:49 <PovAddict> actually, I mean you shouldn't go disproportionally off
20:49 <mweltin> or just the canonical
20:49 <PovAddict> yes, every valid result gets credit
20:49 <mweltin> ok
20:49 <mweltin> is there a real formula?
20:49 <mweltin> fpops = x credits?
20:49 <PovAddict> yep...
20:49 <PovAddict> all your workunits take the same time, right?
20:50 <PovAddict> (btw, get your validator working, test it lots, *then* bother about credits)
20:51 <mweltin> depends on the box, but yes.
20:51 <PovAddict> well of course it depends on the computer
20:52 <mweltin> PovAddict: you speak the truth on the testing.
20:52 <PovAddict> but no difference between workunits?
20:52 <mweltin> I'm thinking of making a parallel project that I'm the only memberof.
20:52 <mweltin> no right now all workunits are the same.
20:52 <mweltin> and that brings up another question.
20:53 <PovAddict> and I'm thinking of rewriting the whole server in Java :]
20:53 <MTughan> lol
20:53 <mweltin> whats the best way to make different style of workunits.
20:53 <PovAddict> I might need that J2EE course after all
20:53 <mweltin> I can have different workunit/result templates
20:53 <mweltin> but what about the app?
20:54 <mweltin> should the app use some kind of flag in the workunit to figure out what it should do?
20:54 <PovAddict> if you need a totally different app... add a different app, that's actually easy
20:54 <mweltin> should I have differnet apps.
20:54 <mweltin> ok
20:54 <Tank_Master> ib
20:54 <PovAddict> if you want the same app to have different behavior, like changing settings, that's a different way...
20:54 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a stinkin Millenium Falcon
20:54 <mweltin> so how does boinc know which app goes with wich workunit.
20:54 <PovAddict> it may be easier or not...
20:54 <PovAddict> well, you pass the app name when you create the workunit...
20:55 <mweltin> oh YEAH
20:55 <Tank_Master> lol
20:55 <mweltin> tsp = app for brut force and I can have tsp_ga for geneitc algorithm
20:55 <mweltin> and of course different versions for all.
20:55 <mweltin> right on!
20:55 <Tank_Master> &cyborg TSP
20:55 <Romulus> Tank_Master: T.S.P.: Transforming Synthetic Person
20:55 <mweltin> its all coming to gether.
20:56 <mweltin> nice
20:56 <Tank_Master> :)
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20:56 <mweltin> the amp cyborg ?
20:56 <PovAddict> if you think that given your app design it's a better idea to have the same app do both (for example, to avoid lots of duplicate code), then you can do that too
20:56 <MTughan> Heh... BSOD on a PSP. http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee187/smmagic/?action=view¤t=00001.jpg
20:56 <mweltin> no I think it will be better to have differnet apps.
20:56 <mweltin> I want to try several different kinds of search algorithms.
20:56 <PovAddict> MTughan: "Your PSP asplode"
20:57 <MTughan> Not mine.
20:57 <MTughan> Notice the username? I'm jedirock or legomodeller.
20:57 <PovAddict> I know it's not yours
20:57 <PovAddict> maybe the bsod should say that... *asplode*
20:57 <MTughan> lol
20:58 <Tank_Master> &cyborg Goliath Tank
20:58 <Tank_Master> &cyborg GoliathTank
20:58 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: a single word, and less than 10 chars
20:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Names can't have more than 10 letters. Please enter another name.
20:58 <PovAddict> told you so
20:58 <PovAddict> ^^
20:58 <Tank_Master> oh for @#%@'s sake
20:58 <mweltin> is it the same each time &cyborg TSP
20:58 <PovAddict> yeah it is
20:59 <PovAddict> &markov tsp
20:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: I was unable to generate a Markov chain at least 8 words long.
20:59 <MTughan> &cyborg GoliathTan
20:59 <PovAddict> &markov tsp
20:59 <Romulus> MTughan: G.O.L.I.A.T.H.T.A.N.: General Operational Lifeform Intended for Accurate Troubleshooting, Hazardous Tactics and Adept Nullification
20:59 <Romulus> tsp can also run a short movie in the back seat - and half the battle
20:59 <Tank_Master> &cyborg Hellbender
20:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: H.E.L.L.B.E.N.D.E.R.: Handcrafted Electronic Lifeform Limited to Basic Exploration, Nocturnal Destruction and Efficient Repair
20:59 <PovAddict> having fun...?
20:59 <Tank_Master> defently
20:59 <Tank_Master> :D
20:59 <mweltin> lol
21:00 <PovAddict> until wdsmia comes with his boot and kicks your collective butts
21:00 <Tank_Master> lol
21:00 <mweltin> I think the David Anderson slap was one of the irc high lights.
21:00 <MTughan> <smmagic> PSP
21:00 <MTughan> <smmagic> Funny things
21:00 <mweltin> I should have put that up on bash.org
21:00 * MTughan slaps mweltin with a returning David Anderson
21:01 <mweltin> LOL
21:01 <MTughan> More?
21:01 <mweltin> please
21:01 <MTughan> More?
21:01 * MTughan hurts mweltin with a breath taking David Anderson
21:01 <PovAddict> oh, somebody that will hurt worse
21:01 <MTughan> Damn history...
21:01 * MTughan bashes David with a colorful Hasselhoff
21:01 <MTughan> Damn...
21:02 * MTughan tortures mweltin with a golden David Hasselhoff
21:02 <PovAddict> use boinc html code as hitting object?
21:02 <mweltin> Hasselhoff references never get old.
21:03 * MTughan tortures PovAddict with a surreal BOINC's HTML code
21:03 <MTughan> Darn it...
21:03 * MTughan mutilates PovAddict with an enormous portion of HTML BOINC code
21:04 <Tank_Master> Ive gottin 37 points today in TSP!
21:04 <Tank_Master> *sigh*
21:04 <wdsmia> lol
21:05 <mweltin> wow you are cooking Tank_Master
21:05 <mweltin> we might get out of beta this week.
21:06 * MTughan hurts mweltin with an enourmous tsp
21:06 <Tank_Master> today is the last day for the week...
21:06 <Tank_Master> ;)
21:06 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a self-made movie
21:06 <MTughan> I'm glad I found this script again...
21:06 <PovAddict> :o
21:06 <Tank_Master> lol
21:06 <MTughan> Anyone on Colloquy who wants it?
21:07 <Tank_Master> huh?
21:07 <MTughan> The script.
21:07 <Tank_Master> oh, right
21:08 <Tank_Master> anywho, my dinner is ready, so ill bbl
21:08 <MTughan> lol, mIRC can't use it.
21:08 <Tank_Master> then I dont want it, its below me
21:08 <Tank_Master> hehe j/k
21:09 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a semi-functional mIRC
21:09 <PovAddict> HUH?
21:09 <Tank_Master> :P
21:09 <PovAddict> semi-funcitional mIRC?
21:09 <Tank_Master> kinda like a MAC
21:09 <PovAddict> is there such thing as a fully-functional mIRC?
21:09 * MTughan smacks Tank_Master with a terrifying mIRC
21:09 <Tank_Master> runs thing, but not like a filly blowen linux box
21:09 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with an open sourced mIRC
21:09 * MTughan bashes Tank_Master with a returning mIRC
21:10 <PovAddict> OPEN SOURCED MIRC?
21:10 <mweltin> like a mac LOL
21:10 <MTughan> Tank_Master: yes, not a fully blown Linux box. Fully blown Unix box.
21:10 <PovAddict> blown up?
21:10 <MTughan> lol
21:10 * MTughan smacks Tank_Master with a large mIRC
21:10 <Tank_Master> well, osx10.5 is linux
21:10 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a rugged mIRC
21:10 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with a small mIRC
21:10 * wdsmia asks all the children to play nice
21:10 <PovAddict> lies
21:10 <MTughan> No, I heard that too.
21:11 <PovAddict> ...
21:11 <PovAddict> lies
21:11 <MTughan> I haven't confirmed it, but I heard it.
21:11 <mweltin> this is the most I have heard from wdsmia ever.
21:11 <Tank_Master> its in the boinc alpha e-mails
21:11 <PovAddict> Lie: Telling the truth in a creative way.
21:11 <mweltin> you three sound like an old married couple sometimes.
21:11 <Tank_Master> they were talking about the changes needed to BOINC because o fthe different OS
21:12 <PovAddict> "Usually done by pathological liars, liberal terrorists, and women."
21:16 <mweltin> ok nap time
21:16 <mweltin> later guys
21:16 <MTughan> Bye.
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21:46 <wdsmia> &ding
21:46 <Romulus> DONG!
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21:55 <MTughan> 'lo BB
21:55 <MTughan> Oh, 'lo quail too.
21:56 <Romulus> Well, I'm not mangling, er muddling, er meddling, er managing
21:56 <PovAddict> wow
21:58 <BadBarbarian> lo MT &Pov
22:01 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.22-14-generic | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz 1595.469 MHz | Bogomips: 3194.48 | Mem: 991/1265M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 264.39G Free: 202.84G | Procs: 105 | Uptime: 16 mins 30 secs | Load: 0.12 0.50 0.52 | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) GPU clock: 270.000 MHz | eth0: In: 3.46M Out: 0.36M
22:01 <quail> Sensors: HDD: 34Â°C
22:01 * quail got new video card installed now
22:02 <quail> hiya MTughan and all
22:03 <BadBarbarian> howdy quail
22:03 <wdsmia> *lo quail
22:03 <quail> how are we all?
22:03 <MTughan> Good.
22:04 <quail> :-)
22:04 * MTughan needs to get his butt back into BURP
22:05 <wdsmia> butt burp?
22:05 <MTughan> lol
22:06 <BadBarbarian> lol
22:06 <MTughan> I was trying to compile a BURP client for Mac. Got Blender compiled without patching as a test, now to patch and rebuild.
22:06 <MTughan> But I'm feeling lazy...
22:09 <MTughan> bbiab, more C++
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23:35 * Tank_Master bitch slaps MTughan with a red headed step child
23:37 <Tank_Master> MilkyWay is now supported by BAM!.
23:39 <Tank_Master> Zombie is going to have a nice boost in credits tomorrow on BOINCstats...
23:39 <Tank_Master> he's got over 100k in MW credits
23:55 * MTughan mutilates Tank_Master with a blue dummy
23:55 * Tank_Master sets pills the pin on a gernade and holds it in his hand
23:56 <Tank_Master> pulls*
23:56 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with an empty Doombringer
23:56 * Tank_Master plays hot potato with MTughan
23:56 * MTughan bashes Tank_Master with an alien Wolverine
23:57 * Tank_Master tosses the gernade to MTughan and runs
23:57 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with a fluffy iPod
23:57 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with an undead flip chart
23:57 * MTughan smacks Tank_Master with an unreal cow
23:58 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with a real wiki
23:58 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a private dschinn
23:58 * MTughan bashes Tank_Master with a stolen rogue
23:58 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with a bad statue of liberty
23:58 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with a nifty Cpt. Picard
23:58 * Tank_Master unleases an unreal warlock on MTughan
23:58 <MTughan> This is a script. With history, I can unleased a flood of these.
23:58 <MTughan> unleash*
23:58 <Tank_Master> I bet
23:59 <PovAddict> well, don't
23:59 <Tank_Master> to bad you cant come up with any of your own!
23:59 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with an emerald iPod
23:59 <Tank_Master> whats a waste of emeralds
23:59 <Tank_Master> what*
23:59 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a blue missile
23:59 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a forgotten tea pot
23:59 * Tank_Master agrees with PovAddict