IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2007-11-13

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00:08 <MTughan> I'm off to bed...

00:08 <MTughan> &nn all

00:08 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

00:09 <MTughan> That's a great line...

00:10 <zombie67> night

00:13 <PovAddict> &math calc 27 * 15

00:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: 405

00:13 <MTughan> Hmm... We should do a test sometime, download a TSP WU, and compare it to what mweltin has.

00:13 <MTughan> Anyway, I be off.

00:17 <Tank_Master> gn mt

00:17 <PovAddict> goin' too

00:20 <Tank_Master> gn PA

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00:45 <Bads_quad> i am back lol

00:49 <Tank_Master> wb

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02:20 <AlmightyOatmeal> :D

02:21 <Tank_Master> heh

02:32 <AlmightyOatmeal> ah, the gentle heat output from my laptop running 2 boinc projects :)

02:33 * AlmightyOatmeal grabs a marshmallow and some gram cracker

02:35 * freelarry don't forget the choco bar to go with that

02:36 <AlmightyOatmeal> oo, right :)

02:36 <freelarry> SMORES g'me g'me

02:36 <freelarry> ;)

02:37 <AlmightyOatmeal> need to do something productive with the thermal output of both cores on my thinkpad t60 ;)

02:38 <freelarry> yeah know a little about that before the sife walked off with my laptop

02:38 <AlmightyOatmeal> though i'm disappointed because frequency scaling is killing my boinc mojo :'(

02:38 <freelarry> had it sitting on cookie sheet that was proped up off the table and a fan blowing across

02:39 <AlmightyOatmeal> nice.. i definetly need to get a laptop cooler of sorts

02:39 <AlmightyOatmeal> i try to boinc, watch a movie, and compile updates on my laptop, bugger locks up

02:39 <freelarry> took a little more heat out of machine with my improvision and didn't need to scale

02:40 <freelarry> humm all memory intensive

02:40 <AlmightyOatmeal> scaling strangely turned itself on one day, and my lack of control over it bothers me some so i may need to remove that from the kernel

02:40 <AlmightyOatmeal> i've never used more than 45% of my 2 gigs, even while running virtual machines

02:40 <freelarry> noticed that with FC6 on a HT P4

02:41 <AlmightyOatmeal> interesting

02:41 <AlmightyOatmeal> FC is probably your problem :P

02:41 <freelarry> yeah it doesn't notice the temp i set in bios and uses 50C as default

02:42 <freelarry> or so it seems

02:42 <AlmightyOatmeal> hm, never did check the bios for thermal throttles, don't recall seeing any, but i should look again

02:42 <Romulus> but your memory will have to be close to 200 RAC

02:43 <AlmightyOatmeal> for what?

02:43 * freelarry feeds Romulus a couple of more quarters

02:44 <zombie67> yello!

02:44 * AlmightyOatmeal waits for a redbull to pop out

02:44 <freelarry> in my bios it was under the cpu setting if i remember - howdy zombie67

02:44 <zombie67> gentle heat!?

02:44 * freelarry 65C

02:44 <AlmightyOatmeal> my load average is only 1.13 :'(

02:45 * AlmightyOatmeal 69C

02:45 <zombie67> My core duo mac is @ 80C

02:45 <AlmightyOatmeal> ha

02:45 <AlmightyOatmeal> my laptop locks up anywhere between 69-71C

02:46 <zombie67> the metal strip above the function keys is too hot to touch

02:46 <AlmightyOatmeal> i do need some service work done, seeing its still under warrenty i will let lenovo take care of it

02:47 <AlmightyOatmeal> i had an old gateway solo 333mhz

02:47 <zombie67> it was close to 90c, but I use an app to increase fan speed

02:47 <AlmightyOatmeal> i actually got a 2nd degree burn from touching the hdd caddy, yet the thing never failed because of heat..

02:47 <AlmightyOatmeal> hah

02:48 <freelarry> got darn close to it tho zombie67

02:48 <freelarry> highest i've seen for electronics before failure has ben 115C

02:49 <AlmightyOatmeal> lol, awesome

02:49 <zombie67> it's been crunching for many months now, no probs at all

02:49 <AlmightyOatmeal> that reminds me of this one video i saw of a homebrew heatsink out of pennies and some guy cooking an egg on the processor

02:49 <freelarry> more impressive if he was cooking eggs on case

02:49 <AlmightyOatmeal> touche

02:50 <zombie67> touch what?

02:50 <freelarry> not me

02:50 <AlmightyOatmeal> no comment

02:51 <zombie67> however, the non mobile versions don't seem to hold up to that much heat

02:52 <AlmightyOatmeal> tis a shame

02:52 <zombie67> for example, my C2Q 6600 wont go much over 65C

02:52 <zombie67> nancy chip!

02:54 <freelarry> humm most of my P4's run at 70-75C

02:55 <freelarry> thermal throtaling around 78C

02:55 <zombie67> I have a PD945 running at 4.35ghz, and ~60C

02:55 <AlmightyOatmeal> i must say that frequency scaling is working a bit better since i recompiled

02:55 * freelarry really needs to dust inside of cases again

02:56 * freelarry but there is only 1 lb of dust inside currently

02:57 <zombie67> but it's a *light* pound!

02:57 <AlmightyOatmeal> fire!

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02:58 <zombie67> BOOM!

02:59 <freelarry> naa twas only mi cigar

02:59 <AlmightyOatmeal> im sorry, i just have to share... http://spacecucumber.googlepages.com/conky-002.png

02:59 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$nH> (at spacecucumber.googlepages.com)

02:59 <AlmightyOatmeal> i'm so proud heh

03:01 <zombie67> which part am I supposed to look at and go "wow!"?

03:02 <AlmightyOatmeal> all of it?

03:02 <AlmightyOatmeal> :P

03:02 <AlmightyOatmeal> i'm proud of my boinc status script i wrote for it, my first time playing with xml

03:03 * freelarry to small to read and no icons to enlarge

03:03 <zombie67> Ah!  The stats page itself

03:03 <zombie67> , not the data in it

03:03 <zombie67> "too small"

03:03 <zombie67> I was about to ask what app made that

03:05 <AlmightyOatmeal> conky is the main program, but i wrote about 6 scripts for it to do things that you see there

03:05 * freelarry is only on a 17" monitor and browser boarders take away around 1.2"

03:05 <AlmightyOatmeal> you could always save the png and open it in gimp or pornview or something

03:06 <freelarry> 'porn'view - whatever have you been surfing

03:06 * freelarry tries to drag mind from gutter

03:06 <AlmightyOatmeal> pornview is a great graphics preview/organizer for when i dont have photoshop fired up in a vm :P

03:07 <freelarry> lol figures

03:07 <AlmightyOatmeal> plus i watch alot of porn and it again comes in handy, but thats totally not the point :P

03:07 <freelarry> rofl

03:07 <AlmightyOatmeal> what would you expect a kid my age to do lolz

03:07 <freelarry> humm go on dates

03:08 <AlmightyOatmeal> and inbetween dates? heh

03:08 <freelarry> but you figure more training required

03:08 <zombie67> "I love the feminist movement...especially when I'm walking behind it." -- Rush Limbaugh

03:08 <AlmightyOatmeal> lol

03:08 <freelarry> no comment

03:10 <zombie67> partisan (but funny any way!):  "Democrats are so stupid that if one of 'em fell into a barrel full of titties he'd come out sucking his thumb."   -- Will Durst

03:14 * zombie67 listens to crickets chirping....

03:15 <zombie67> was it that bad?

03:15 <AlmightyOatmeal> i think someone put a laxitive in my cupcake, brb

03:16 <zombie67> turbolax!

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03:23 <AlmightyOatmeal> hah

03:25 <zombie67> everything come out right in the end?

03:26 <zombie67> ;)

03:28 <AlmightyOatmeal> things worked out effortlessly

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03:35 <zombie67> BB?

03:36 <zombie67> BB:  any OC available in the bios?

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04:17 <mweltin> whats the date today?

04:18 <CoderForLife> November 13

04:18 <mweltin> where do you live i.e. what time zone?

04:18 <CoderForLife> Friday the 13th falls on Tuesday rhis month

04:19 <CoderForLife> Eastern (U.S.)

04:19 <mweltin> so its 5am ish?

04:19 <CoderForLife> 4:19

04:19 <mweltin> you are up early.

04:19 <CoderForLife> as usual

04:20 <mweltin> this is your normal time to get up?

04:21 <mweltin> this all comes from the fact that I was looking at my project news and I don't remember doing any today but there in an entry for the 12.

04:21 <CoderForLife> the alarm is set for 5 - I get up the first time I wake up after 4:00

04:21 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

04:22 <mweltin> is it your job that gets you up that early?

04:22 <CoderForLife> this morning it was 3:58 when I woke up

04:23 <CoderForLife> I start w@#% at 7:00

04:23 <CoderForLife> I spend some time here each morning, waking up, eating breakfast and reading the news

04:24 <mweltin> time well spent

04:24 <CoderForLife> not bad

04:24 * CoderForLife listens to the rain, and sniffs the air coming through the slightly-open window

04:26 <mweltin> NE or SE ?

04:26 <mweltin> My folks live in VT

04:28 <mweltin> CFL I just got my validator to bulid correctly so I'm going to hit the hay.

04:28 <mweltin> Enjoy your day.

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06:23 <MTughan> 'lo CFL, didn't realize you're actually up that early.

06:24 <MTughan> Just got up about 10 minutes ago. And we're in the same time zone! :P

06:24 <MTughan> Oh, and this is early for me.

06:31 <MTughan> Well, not sure if you're already off to w@#%, but I'm off to school.

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06:45 <AlmightyOatmeal> lol

06:45 <AlmightyOatmeal> i dont have to leave for school for another hour and a half ;)

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06:57 <E-30> hey is anyone here

06:58 <AlmightyOatmeal> nope

07:01 <PriitM> i'm not here either

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07:12 <E-30> lol

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09:33 <PriitM> I wonder if it's worth running boinc and seti@home on some Pentium 3 or AMD Duron computer

09:33 <c0dewarrior> I have several pIII's dedicated to boinc projects..

09:34 <PriitM> I got 4 computer here, but 2 of them have very little uptime :<

09:34 <c0dewarrior> if it's silicone... can compute... and sits idle.... it's a sin

09:34 <c0dewarrior> :-p

09:35 <c0dewarrior> how little uptime?

09:35 <PriitM> Well our media center was bought in Dec. 2005

09:35 <PriitM> and so far the uptime is 40 days

09:36 <PriitM> in total

09:36 <c0dewarrior> 40 days and 40 nights... eery number

09:37 <PriitM> when i start thinking i basicly got only 1 computer at the moment which is good for seti

09:37 <PriitM> media center is never turned on

09:37 <PriitM> moms work pc has bad position and poop cooling

09:37 <PriitM> laptop will start melting

09:38 <c0dewarrior> so that's about 10% uptime a year... good enough for seti, but not for longer-running projects imho (some require weeks of continous running before results are ready)

09:39 <PriitM> it's celeron d :P

09:39 <PriitM> so i wonder if it's even worth it

09:39 <c0dewarrior> every bit helps..

09:40 <PriitM> i gotta find use for media center and then i might put it to work with low cpu time

09:40 <quail> PriitM: I would not boinc on the media centre computer as you need the cpu power for encoding

09:41 <PriitM> 2.8ghz celeron d and it's only used to save movies from pal

09:41 <PriitM> damn.

09:41 <PriitM> silly computers are simply standing here

09:41 <PriitM> pfft.

09:41 <Romulus> uosiu: don't know, i don't have to use

09:42 <sethiroth66> comp up for sale at college

09:42 <sethiroth66> 3.2GHz Pentium IIII

09:43 <sethiroth66> 512/1024 RAM

09:43 <sethiroth66> 80Gb HD

09:43 <PriitM> i belive i will simply stick boincing on my amd box and later add some P3/duron

09:43 <sethiroth66> just the tower

09:43 <sethiroth66> for 175 GBP

09:47 <quail> &convert currency 175 GBP AUD

09:47 <Romulus> quail: Error: The command "convert" is available in the Currency and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "convert".

09:47 <quail> &currency convert 175 GBP AUD

09:47 <Romulus> quail: 175.00 gbp = 405.81 aud

09:48 <PriitM> &currency convert 175 GB EEK

09:48 <Romulus> PriitM: Error: You used an incorrect currency symbol.

09:48 <PriitM> ..

09:48 <PriitM> &currency convert 175 GB USD

09:48 <Romulus> PriitM: Error: You used an incorrect currency symbol.

09:48 <quail> &currency convert 175 GBP USD

09:48 <Romulus> quail: 175.00 gbp = 362.84 usd

09:49 <PriitM> ah yes, my mistake

09:51 <quail> &weather ypad

09:51 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 23% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 1:00 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Clear. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Clear. Low:68 F. / 20 C.;

09:52 <quail> wow it going to be a hot one tomorrow, 33°C

10:25 <Tank_Master> :)

10:25 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

10:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 37.2F / 2.9C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027.0hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Isolated showers in the morning. Highs around 50. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph becoming light in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy. Lows 35 to 40. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph (1 more message)

10:26 <Tank_Master> &more

10:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: shifting to the southeast after midnight.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. Highs 50 to 55. East wind 10 mph... except east wind 20 to 25 mph with gusts to 40 mph near The Gorge.;

10:26 <Tank_Master> its off on the current temp...

10:26 <Tank_Master> its 32/0

10:26 <Tank_Master> and theres not a cloud in the sky either

10:32 <PriitM> -2C here :<

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10:38 <BadBarbarian> morning

10:40 <Tank_Master> im outa here now

10:40 <Tank_Master> c-ya in a few

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11:29 <BadBarbarian> morning zombie

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11:45 <zombie67> hi

11:49 <BadBarbarian> howdy

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12:05 * sethiroth66 wants the xkcd comic #149 shirt

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12:10 <PovAddict> sethiroth66: http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/shot1.png

12:13 <TMatWork> I cant place it, but soemthing dosent look right there

12:13 <TMatWork> oh, thats right

12:13 <PovAddict> all images are flipped

12:13 <TMatWork> yourusing firefox

12:13 <PovAddict> yes I am, but how can you tell that from a screenshot I didn't take?

12:14 <TMatWork> ahh, thought it was yours

12:14 <PovAddict> http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html

12:14 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$vK> (at www.ex-parrot.com)

12:14 <PovAddict> neighbors stealing your wireless? play games with them

12:16 <TMatWork> nice

12:18 <zombie67> Saenger:  Nice work.  Don't let up.

12:18 <PovAddict> wut

12:18 <Saenger> i really don't get it

12:18 <Saenger> why is he hiding?

12:18 <PovAddict> maybe I should check my email

12:19 <PovAddict> zomg

12:19 <Saenger> the discussions always moved away from public:

12:20 <Saenger> from the Seti  boards (where they didn't belon, that was right) to the /dev boards

12:20 <Saenger> from boinczilla to trac

12:20 <Saenger> and now he's leaving berkeley complete for google

12:20 <Romulus> think you will be a problem with boinc

12:21 <PovAddict> the devs never looked into boinczilla, and trac has a lot more features

12:21 <zombie67> clearly, he doesn't like the feedback he is getting, or expects to get.

12:21 <PovAddict> however DA recently locked trac so anonymous users can't read a lot of things

12:21 <Saenger> that's ok, but google has none

12:21 <TMatWork> boinczilla?

12:21 <PovAddict> I managed to get him to put most anonymous permissions back

12:21 <zombie67> go he goes to a new forum where he can control the members, to get the feedback he wants

12:21 <Saenger> the boinc bug system

12:21 <Saenger> once upon a time...

12:21 <PovAddict> using google groups is r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d

12:21 <TMatWork> ahh, ok

12:21 <Saenger> now replaced with the trac system

12:22 <PovAddict> zombie67: on boinc dev he has raw access to the database and the code, what more control does he want??

12:22 <TMatWork> the world

12:22 <zombie67> he wants to control the feedback he gets.  he only wan't to hear feedback that agrees with his opinion.

12:22 <Saenger> is he pinky or the brain?

12:22 <PovAddict> he's close to the people who can send seti executables, so he has some world control there too

12:22 <Saenger> narf

12:23 <PovAddict> Saenger: the brain definitely

12:23 <PovAddict> - wants to take over the world

12:23 <PovAddict> - never succeeds

12:23 <PovAddict> - doesn't quite accept opinions

12:23 <TMatWork> hehe

12:23 <Saenger> hehe

12:23 <Saenger> was he ever here?

12:23 <zombie67> He also considers us (the masses) to be idiots

12:23 <PovAddict> for a split second...

12:24 <zombie67> lock them out of trac, it will scare them!

12:24 <zombie67> remove any useful messages, it will confuse them!

12:24 <PovAddict> I get more scared if it's locked out

12:24 <TMatWork> :P

12:24 <PovAddict> "he locked it, he's hiding something!"

12:24 <Saenger> as if "the masses" ever even knew something about the dev forum or even less about trac

12:24 <zombie67> or even the BOINC forums for that matter

12:25 <PovAddict> yeah some people don't even know the projects have forums

12:25 <zombie67> most people find the project first, and think BOINC comes from there

12:25 <TMatWork> I remember posting where tto use the trac system if you have problems, and right away someone posted that wasnt for the masses...

12:25 <TMatWork> I was like, well, then how are they to know if theres problems?

12:26 <zombie67> the only people who find and use the BOINC forum are truly ineterested goobers like us

12:26 <TMatWork> :)

12:26 <PovAddict> I need help designing my clone...

12:26 <TMatWork> clone?

12:26 <TMatWork> for what?

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12:29 <TMatWork> ill brb

12:31 <zombie67> me 2

12:46 <Saenger> he just wrote that he will totally surrender to google and ditch his own forum

12:46 <PovAddict> WHUT

12:47 <Saenger> Again:

12:47 <Saenger> Mailman (local email list software) has no archive search feature, and is buggy.

12:47 <Saenger> Discussions are publicly visible whether on Mailman or Google.

12:47 <Saenger> The team founders list and any future BOINC email lists will use Google groups.

12:47 <Saenger> -- David

12:47 <zombie67> back

12:47 * PovAddict explodes

12:48 <Saenger> calm and even, PovAddict ;)

12:49 <zombie67> Fair enough.  It's his ball, and he gets to make the rules.  However, he should be posting the rules before the game starts, not making them up retroactively, and keeping them hidden in his pocket.

12:50 <zombie67> if google is the new official place, why doesn't it say so here (at the bottom):  http://boinc.berkeley.edu/  ??

12:50 <Romulus> Title: BOINC (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

12:50 * sethiroth66 sticks PovAddict back together

12:50 <PovAddict> Saenger: http://rafb.net/p/bY7iQS51.html

12:50 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)

12:50 <sethiroth66> need better glue

12:50 <zombie67> Ah!

12:50 <zombie67> It does now

12:51 <zombie67> click on email lists, and at the bottom is the google link

12:55 <zombie67> see, he doesn't like to hear opinions that contradict his own...

12:56 <zombie67> where was that posted?

12:58 <BadBarbarian> well i like the quad but it needs a better fan with seti running its at 60c

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13:04 <zombie67> BB, does the bios support OC?

13:06 <BadBarbarian> no

13:07 <freelarry> that sounds like a low end board then BadBarbarian

13:07 <BadBarbarian> its a b3 cpu

13:07 <BadBarbarian> thats why it was cheap lol

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13:10 <BadBarbarian> but its crunching 4 wu's every 2 hrs on seti with vista 32

13:21 <zombie67> BB, you are using crunch3r's app too, right?

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13:23 <BadBarbarian> ducks

13:23 <BadBarbarian> let me look for crubch3rs app

13:25 <zombie67> http://calbe.dw70.de/win32.html

13:25 <Romulus> Title: Crunch3rs BOINC page (at calbe.dw70.de)

13:26 <BadBarbarian> there already lol

13:26 <zombie67> I believe that C2Q suppoers SSSE3

13:26 <zombie67> supports

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13:27 <BadBarbarian> running sse3 right now will change it this evening

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13:41 <TMatWork> stll getting md5 errors for TSP

13:41 <Romulus> goldberg - in a screen on my reply to addy of hongkong

13:44 <PovAddict> 5.10.30 coming soon

13:44 <TMatWork> cool

13:44 <TMatWork> whats diff?

13:44 <TMatWork> n for which platforms?

13:44 <PovAddict> all platforms I think

13:45 <TMatWork> k

13:48 <TMatWork> do you know what they tryed to fix or change? (read: what did they break now? :P)

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14:19 <PovAddict> gmail over imap is really slow today

14:19 <zombie67> yes it is

14:19 <zombie67> it's all those BOINC mailing lists....

14:19 <PovAddict> lol

14:20 <PovAddict> well I just got told "not to fan the flames"

14:20 <zombie67> you're kidding!

14:20 <zombie67> rather than address the issue, let's ignore it!

14:20 <zombie67> that always works!

14:21 <TMatWork> has in the past, once or twice, right?

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14:24 * freelarry invisioning a bonfire with a large electric blower pointed at it with PovAddict at switch

14:25 <Saenger> does anybody here know eho was involved in the development of the boinc wide teams?

14:25 <Saenger> and where the discussion really took place?

14:25 * freelarry wait whats that on the spit over fire -- its a copy of boinc source code

14:25 <Romulus> or at least my comp to my localhost but for normal use 50C is pretty (and relatively well-adjusted)

14:25 <zombie67> the right way to handle this is to explicitly state what is being done and why.  Answer questions, educate.

14:25 <PovAddict> afaik, only the Dictator was involved in development of the feature

14:25 <PovAddict> and I think discussions were on the google group

14:26 <PovAddict> zombie67: correct; plus, not insulting while complaining, or he will ignore us

14:26 <zombie67> I heard from a team leader that some of them (top 30 @ seti?) were invited to join the google group

14:27 <TMatWork> why in the world is he using google group?

14:27 <zombie67> so only those he invited are in on it

14:27 <zombie67> my team is #17, but was not invited.

14:27 <zombie67> probably because our team leader at SETI no longer exists....

14:28 <TMatWork> I bet I cant get in even though im on the #1 team...

14:28 <zombie67> he recently opened it up

14:28 <TMatWork> good

14:28 <zombie67> I joined the google group to keep an eye on things.

14:28 <TMatWork> not that I would want to go to google or anything

14:28 <zombie67> but you can read it without joining.

14:29 <zombie67> I think the invitation and google group came out of one of thouse conferences.

14:29 <zombie67> brainstorming on how to help team leaders

14:29 <zombie67> or somesuch

14:30 <zombie67> brb

14:31 <yoyo[RKN]> zombie67

14:31 <yoyo[RKN]> ?

14:31 <yoyo[RKN]> how to join that google team leader group?

14:32 <PovAddict> if you can't figure it out yourself...

14:32 <PovAddict> ...means it's a bad idea

14:32 <TMatWork> lol

14:32 <yoyo[RKN]> I'm not a fan of google stuff, therefor I do not have a google account

14:32 <TMatWork> same here

14:32 <PovAddict> so you can't join

14:33 <PovAddict> you can read anonymously, i think

14:33 <PovAddict> http://groups.google.com/group/boinc-team-founders

14:33 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$xq> (at groups.google.com)

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14:34 <zombie67> back

14:35 <TMatWork> wb

14:35 <Saenger> if he invited Chris, our founder SetiClassic, we were not invited, Chris has since quite a while not been our real leader, just the original founder

14:35 <TMatWork> :P

14:35 <Saenger> nobody on the team has any contact to him any more

14:36 <zombie67> same here

14:36 <Saenger> we could start SETC (Search for extra team Chris) an BOINC ;)

14:36 <zombie67> http://groups.google.com/group/boinc-team-founders/members

14:36 <TMatWork> we ave 4 founders, 1 is no longer really with us, and a econd one keeps leaving and rejoining :P

14:37 <Saenger>     Sorry...

14:37 <Saenger>     You have to be a manager of this group to view this page.

14:37 <PovAddict> zombie67: "you need to be the group admin to see this page"

14:37 <Saenger>     Please return to the main page.

14:37 <Romulus> this is still not running as your user.

14:39 <TMatWork> which page?

14:40 <zombie67> really?  I am not the admin, just a member, and I can view it.

14:41 <TMatWork> same here

14:41 <TMatWork> unless your refering to one of the sub groups?

14:43 <yoyo[RKN]> you must be member of the group to see the members

14:48 <zombie67> here is the list (1/2)  http://homepage.mac.com/zombie67/images/founders1.png

14:48 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$y4> (at homepage.mac.com)

14:49 <zombie67> (2/2)  http://homepage.mac.com/zombie67/images/founders2.png

14:49 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$y5> (at homepage.mac.com)

14:49 <PovAddict> that's a big effing font

14:49 <zombie67> when it converted, it blew everything up for some strange reason

14:49 <TMatWork> lol

14:49 <PovAddict> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/view_profile.php?userid=510 o_O

14:50 <zombie67> crap

14:50 <PovAddict> see the huge rant at the bottom

14:50 <Romulus> Title: Profile: Dr.McLovin (at bob.myisland.as)

14:50 <zombie67> that was only the first 15 of 40

14:51 <Saenger> can you be just decared a member without your knowledge?

14:52 <zombie67> no

14:52 <PovAddict> on Google, it's surely possible...

14:52 <PovAddict> like the personalized search feature

14:52 <zombie67> you need to have a google ID, I think

14:52 <PovAddict> click on "what's this feature about" and without knowing it you might have signed up for it

14:52 <Saenger> it seems that DirkS, our former admin (whgo afaik got this "job" from Chris) is in the list

14:52 <PovAddict> then it's a dozen steps to get out of it

14:53 <PovAddict> I fell inside that hole a few times

14:53 <Saenger> as he's quite sensitive in regard of privacy, I doubt he really joined there

14:54 <zombie67> saenger:  I figured out a way to just email the pages, want me to email the full list to you?

14:54 <PovAddict> 'meh'?

14:54 <PovAddict> Saenger: what browser do you use?

14:54 <Saenger> He even refused to use the email adresses in the projects for a newsletter

14:54 <Saenger> ff

14:54 <Saenger> and I'm here with chatzilla

14:54 <PovAddict> Tools/Options/Privacy/Cookies/Show cookies

14:54 <PovAddict> see if you have a "PREF" cookie from google.com

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14:55 <TMatWork> MW!

14:55 <TMatWork> sup?

14:55 <mweltin> greetings TMatWork, not much just got done with the forum posts.

14:55 <TMatWork> how was the dive?

14:56 <mweltin> we did 3 dives.

14:56 * TMatWork hads over to the forum

14:56 <TMatWork> nice

14:56 <TMatWork> find anything?

14:56 <TMatWork> sand?

14:56 <TMatWork> watter?

14:56 <PovAddict> feesh

14:56 <mweltin> yeah, on one dive I saw 5 sea turtles.

14:56 <TMatWork> nice

14:56 <mweltin> 3 greens and 2 hawks bills

14:56 <zombie67> Saenger:  yes?  no?

14:56 <mweltin> yeah got some good pics too.

14:56 <TMatWork> you got an underwatter camera?

14:56 <PovAddict> Rule 24 of the Internet:

14:57 <TMatWork> sweet!

14:57 <Saenger> yes, i'm interested, sorry for delay

14:57 <PovAddict> pics or it never happened

14:57 <mweltin> I bought a case for my cheap point and shoot.

14:57 <TMatWork> hehe

14:57 <zombie67> rule #2:  even so, it was probably photoshopped

14:57 <Saenger> here's my mail: uwe dot herzke at web dot de

14:57 <zombie67> yeah, I saw it on the email list.

14:57 <PovAddict> Rule 21: If your girlfriend ends in .jpg, she is not real.

14:57 <Saenger> yes, I'm a dev now ;)

14:57 <mweltin> so rather than read some boring doc, I figured

14:58 <mweltin> I'd ask PovAddict ...

14:58 <PovAddict> brb

14:58 <PovAddict> :P

14:58 <mweltin> do you know anything about where the md5checksum for wWU's is created?

14:58 <mweltin> I'm having a melt down with WU's

14:58 <PovAddict> when you create the workunit, its input files are md5'd

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14:58 <loompek> morning yalll

14:59 <PovAddict> and after that, you CAN'T edit the file

14:59 <mweltin> ok, then I have no idea what the problem is.

14:59 <mweltin> I'll have to dig a little deeper.

14:59 <PovAddict> probably you're using the same input filename for more than one workunit

14:59 <loompek> how could i get an account key for rosetta@home

14:59 <PovAddict> loompek: you don't need one

14:59 <loompek> i'd like to have one :D

14:59 <PovAddict> loompek: you attach with email+password

14:59 <zombie67> saenger:  received on your end?

15:00 <mweltin> yeah, due to my naming convention I am, but the craete_work script won't make a duplicate

15:00 <loompek> PovAddict i'm using *nix client

15:00 <TMatWork> you need to sign up for each project indivisually

15:00 <mweltin> you get a warning that the name has been taken and no record is placed in the database.

15:00 <loompek> 32bit client on x86_64 cpu

15:00 <Saenger> GOD is REAL, unless DECLARED INTEGER

15:00 <Saenger> 2 of them

15:00 <loompek> opteron... something

15:00 <PovAddict> loompek: what client version?

15:00 <Saenger> 2 of them was for zombie67

15:00 <loompek> opteron 2214HE

15:00 <loompek> client

15:00 <loompek> umm

15:00 <PovAddict> mweltin: the create_work won't create a duplicate workunit, but you create the input file before calling create_work don't you?

15:00 <mweltin> PovAddict: I see you read Dr.McLovin's profile.

15:01 <loompek> boinc_5.4.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu

15:01 <mweltin> yes

15:01 <TMatWork> thats an old version

15:01 <PovAddict> loompek: that's old - here's the instructions on how to get the account key from that version:

15:01 <TMatWork> recommended is 5.10.28

15:01 <PovAddict> erm actually

15:01 <loompek> i only have console

15:01 <PovAddict> I'll search my forum post explaining it, since I don't quite remember

15:01 <loompek> i'm running this on a server

15:02 <zombie67> Saenger:  get third yet?

15:03 <Saenger> no, havn't

15:04 <mweltin> brb

15:04 *** mweltin is now known as mw_away

15:04 <loompek> PovAddict okay.. i've installed that version... console only... what now...

15:04 <loompek> i'd like to add rosetta@home

15:04 <PovAddict> which version did you install now?

15:04 <loompek> and i'd like to 'add that computer' to my list

15:04 <loompek> 5.10.28

15:04 <zombie67> odd, I received all three.  which one is stillmissing?

15:04 <PovAddict> ok, did you start the client?

15:05 <PovAddict> ./boinc --daemon

15:05 <loompek> don't i need to set my email&password somewhere?

15:05 <PovAddict> first start the client

15:06 <loompek> this computer is not attached to any projects

15:06 <loompek> visit http:// for instructions

15:07 <Saenger> zombie67: 3/3 is missing, but the interesting person is di...@setigermany.de

15:07 <PovAddict> ok, now you use ./boinc_cmd --lookup_account http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/ email@example.com password

15:07 <Romulus> Title: Rosetta@home (at boinc.bakerlab.org)

15:07 <loompek> PovAddict okay.. thanks

15:07 <PovAddict> I don't remember if that attaches you directly, or gives you the account key

15:07 <Saenger> he's on the first page

15:07 *** mw_away is now known as mweltin

15:07 <TMatWork> wb

15:08 <loompek> http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/connect: connection refused

15:08 <PovAddict> in the latter case, pass the account key to ./boinc_cmd --attach_project http://boinc.bakerlab.../ key

15:08 <loompek> can'tconnect to local host

15:08 <PovAddict> you need the client running...

15:08 <loompek> i see

15:08 <loompek> okay..

15:08 <loompek> got the key

15:08 <TMatWork> and for a firewall not to block it?

15:09 <freelarry> humm was intrested in finding out a little more about my isp account - seems they offer 30 MB of personnel webspace with account

15:09 <freelarry> is that enough for a boinc site?

15:09 <freelarry> or at least a redirect to local server inhouse?

15:09 <TMatWork> if you dont want to hand out work...

15:09 <PovAddict> no it's not

15:09 <PovAddict> if they give you 1TB that's still not enough

15:10 <TMatWork> lol

15:10 <PovAddict> you need shell access, which they probably won't provide

15:10 <freelarry> lol yeah next machine will have at least a TB storage on it

15:10 <PovAddict> I bet they don't even give any kind of scripting, just static html

15:10 <freelarry> http://www.wavebroadband.com/art.php?id=personalweb is the directions

15:10 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$yW> (at www.wavebroadband.com)

15:11 <freelarry> but haven't activated yet

15:11 <PovAddict> yep looks like just plain storage

15:11 <freelarry> could that plain storage then access my machine direct?

15:11 <Saenger> our current admin has just joined the group with some opld fake google address and asked the same questions i asked without getting answers

15:12 <Saenger> let's see how davea reacts

15:12 <PovAddict> no...

15:12 <freelarry> thanks pov

15:12 * freelarry shakes head over another dashed hope

15:12 <TMatWork> pov's good at that ;)

15:12 <freelarry> lol i know

15:13 <mweltin> PovAddict: I have only check two so far, but from the forum posts the WU's without md5checksums are missing from the WU table.

15:13 <loompek> seems it's running rosetta only on one cpu core

15:13 <loompek> do i need to run that thing twice?

15:13 <zombie67> I see the email now

15:13 <TMatWork> loom, no

15:14 <PovAddict> loompek: it should run two workunits at a time

15:14 <loompek> that's exactly my point...

15:14 <loompek> oly one process is running.. rosetta_beta_5.

15:14 <TMatWork> it should be in your preferences, which you will need to log into the website to modify

15:14 <PovAddict> http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/prefs.php?subset=global what does "On multiprocessors, use at most" say?

15:14 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/+C$> (at boinc.bakerlab.org)

15:14 <zombie67> it may take a few minutes to download a second sork unit

15:14 <PovAddict> sork unit? XD

15:15 <zombie67> work unit

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15:15 <loompek> 16 processors

15:15 <loompek> :D

15:15 <zombie67> it asks for only 1 sec of work the first time.

15:15 <TMatWork> lol

15:15 <loompek> okay..

15:15 <TMatWork> thats right

15:15 <loompek> now it seems it uses both cores

15:15 <loompek> nice :D

15:15 <TMatWork> good

15:16 <loompek> i'm proud of all.. running one at home, one on my laptop and one on my server

15:16 <zombie67> toilet sign:  'We aim to please. You aim too please!'

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15:17 <TMatWork> howdy MT

15:17 <MTughan> 'lo all from my school

15:17 <PovAddict> o/

15:17 <MTughan> I'm gonna be here until for about another two hours, so I figured I might as well join using IRC@Work.

15:17 <mweltin> MTughan: hey buddy!

15:17 <MTughan> Yo.

15:18 <zombie67> yo-yo

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15:18 <MTughan> yoyo here?

15:18 <TMatWork> was

15:18 <MTughan> Yep...

15:18 <MTughan> Well, he's on the room.

15:18 <TMatWork> dont meen he's behind a keyboard

15:18 <MTughan> Yeah.

15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> ?

15:19 <TMatWork> well, that got his attantion

15:19 <MTughan> Hehe... We were just talking about you.

15:19 <PovAddict> http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=3833172

15:19 <Romulus> Title: Is U.S. Government Reading Your Email? (at abcnews.go.com)

15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> ups

15:20 * yoyo[RKN] fights with google

15:20 <TMatWork> how can brown screw you today?

15:20 <MTughan> ol

15:20 <MTughan> lol*

15:21 <Saenger> zombie67: I've just looked at the profile of DirkS, the member of S.G in the team leaders group, his last activity was in 2000, he probably never went near google ever since

15:21 <Saenger> he was probably "invited" without his knowledge

15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> I tried to create an google account, but did not get the activation mail.

15:21 <Saenger> but you're listed as a member

15:21 <TMatWork> thats because its not a certifyed g-mail account

15:21 <Saenger> btw: #3/3 arrived, dunno why it was missing

15:22 <TMatWork> you check your junk?

15:22 <Saenger> DirkS last post was here: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.seti/browse_thread/thread/73a5fd5613153451/e27fdf2dfd9eee29#e27fdf2dfd9eee29

15:22 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$yi> (at groups.google.com)

15:22 <yoyo[RKN]> yes 3 times

15:22 <TMatWork> :)

15:24 <MTughan> mweltin: Looking at building 64-bit versions of the apps too, for the G5s and the 64-bit Intels, the Xeons and the G5s.

15:24 <zombie67> did he also use that google email account for is SETI founder?

15:24 <Tidus> MTughan, all intel macs are 64 bit

15:24 <MTughan> Just need to figure out the right compiler flags.

15:24 <mweltin> MTughan:  nice!

15:24 <MTughan> Tidus: No, they aren't.

15:24 <Tidus> MTughan, core2duo is EM64T

15:24 <mweltin> I just have to work out this WU problem.

15:25 <MTughan> The Core Duos aren't.

15:25 <MTughan> Yes, the C2Ds are.

15:25 <zombie67> yes they are

15:25 <MTughan> Core Duos? They're 32-bit.

15:26 <Tidus> MTughan is right.  yonah doesn't support em64t

15:26 <Tidus> the c2d does

15:27 <MTughan> I don't know the codenames for the Intel processors, apart from the quad Clovertowns.

15:27 <Saenger> zombie67: no, he's not even the founder on Seti, that's still Chris from old Classic

15:27 <Saenger> Dirk is "just" the former admin of our homopage

15:27 <zombie67> bizarre.

15:28 <Saenger> second o should be a e

15:28 <zombie67> http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/coreduo.htm

15:28 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$yn> (at www.intel.com)

15:28 <MTughan> Interesting... I can't find out any details about the processor from System Profiler.

15:28 * freelarry humm wonder is soho or enterprise would be enough for povs useage here http://www.wavebroadband.com/product.php?id=9#SP

15:28 <Romulus> Title: Wave Broadband ~ Business Internet (at www.wavebroadband.com)

15:28 <zombie67> at the bottom of that page is a footnote that talks about 64 bit

15:29 <MTughan> So?

15:29 <zombie67> but it doesn't say yes or no

15:29 <MTughan> Yeah... This processor is the T2500.

15:30 <MTughan> Judging from the clock speed and memory bandwidth.

15:30 <TMatWork> T series is mobel, isnt it?

15:30 <TMatWork> the core or core2 for laptops

15:31 <Tidus> the T2500 doesn't support em64t

15:31 <Tidus> it's core duo

15:31 <TMatWork> those do not support 64bit

15:31 <Tidus> not c2d

15:31 <MTughan> I know. I'm talking about my system.

15:31 <TMatWork> :P

15:31 <MTughan> 2.0GHz Core Duo, memory is 667MHz.

15:32 <freelarry> e6750 what my next will be http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2duo.htm

15:32 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$yz> (at www.intel.com)

15:32 <MTughan> Nice...

15:33 <MTughan> Yeah, see there's a column for 64-bit there. Not in the Core Duos.

15:33 <TMatWork> only duo?

15:33 <TMatWork> not quad?

15:33 <TMatWork> :P

15:33 <MTughan> Why do they put the column in though? All the processors are 64-bit...

15:33 <freelarry> yeah couldn't afford quad yet

15:34 <MTughan> Talk to zombie67. :P

15:34 <freelarry> mb will support quad when i can

15:34 <Tidus> i want one of the new core2extreme ones

15:34 <TMatWork> 2,4 is only $225

15:34 <Tidus> the 3.00ghz with 12mb cache

15:34 <MTughan> He's got an 8-core Mac Pro.

15:34 <TMatWork> then me must use the xeons

15:34 <MTughan> Yep. Two quad Xeons.

15:35 <zombie67> my mac has dual 5365s

15:35 <freelarry> yummy but have to save for a few more years - at least the way the wife is using my income

15:35 <Tidus> i want amd's quad core chips that are coming out

15:35 <zombie67> i have three XP systems with dual 5355s

15:35 <freelarry> buy a piece here and there and wait till i can afford another piece

15:36 <TMatWork> the current quad from intel beats AMD's quad

15:36 <TMatWork> for high end desktop

15:36 <MTughan> Yeah. But will it stay that way?

15:36 <Tidus> meh

15:36 <zombie67> yeah, barcelona is not going to be good for crunching

15:36 <zombie67> good IO probably

15:36 <Tidus> next processor that i'm buyin for this thing is the socket AM2 athlon-64 X2 5000+ Black Edition

15:36 <MTughan> Yeah. How do AMDs generally perform against Intels anyway?

15:36 <TMatWork> its still got intel beet in multi-way servers

15:36 <TMatWork> 4 or more sockets

15:36 <Tidus> unlocked multiplier for overclocking :)

15:36 <zombie67> very small L2, even with L3, still not so great

15:37 <TMatWork> they dont need as much cache with the intergrated mem controler

15:37 <Tidus> 2.6ghz stock i believe? easy to run it up to 3.0+ without hassle

15:37 <MTughan> Nice...

15:37 <zombie67> some applications need a very large L2

15:37 <zombie67> otherwise, lots of swapping

15:38 <TMatWork> intel's up to over 3g now

15:38 <zombie67> some apps will fit nicely in only 512k

15:38 <Tidus> so is amd

15:38 <TMatWork> 4g aircooled

15:38 <TMatWork> for o/cing

15:38 <Tidus> one processor i like from intel

15:38 <TMatWork> not for the quad

15:38 <Tidus> was the Pentium D 805 with the B0 stepping

15:38 <Tidus> 2.66ghz stock

15:38 <zombie67> 805 has small cache too

15:38 <MTughan> Yeah, I heard that was amazing for o/clocking.

15:38 <Tidus> but i've seen videos of that processor bein taken up to 4.1 on air

15:39 <TMatWork> the 45nm hipsjust released are up to 3.2, and can o/c to 4

15:39 <MTughan> And what, up to about 5.1GHz on water?

15:39 <TMatWork> havent seen yet

15:39 <Tidus> MTughan, i think they had it to like 4.6 on water

15:39 <MTughan> It was absolutely insane. I know someone did manage to o/clock a processor to past 5GHz.

15:39 <TMatWork> a touch over 6 with liquid nitrgen

15:39 <MTughan> lol

15:40 <MTughan> But who has liquid nitrogen at their disposal for CPU cooling?

15:40 <TMatWork> that would crunch like mad...

15:40 <TMatWork> dont you?

15:40 <TMatWork> :P

15:40 <MTughan> Not as much as 8-core 3.0GHz Xeons...

15:40 <MTughan> lol, no I don't.

15:40 <Tidus> right now i'm semi-happy with my ath64 3500

15:40 <TMatWork> if it cant do 24x7, 100% load, Im not interested

15:40 <Tidus> oced from 2.2 to 2.6

15:40 <TMatWork> not bad

15:41 <freelarry> liquid N2 - talk to thegasgiant

15:41 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan : what were you talking about me?

15:41 <MTughan> I had said "Yo" to someone, someone else said "Yo-yo" back, and then I asked if you were here.

15:41 <Tidus> wanna know a chip i still love to try to overclock because they're just so danged cheap

15:41 <Tidus> the t-bred athlon-xp 1600

15:41 <Tidus> had one of those up to like 2.2ghz

15:42 <MTughan> What's the stock?

15:42 <Tidus> like 1.3

15:42 <MTughan> :o

15:42 <MTughan> Nicely done...

15:42 <Tidus> 1366mhz stock

15:42 <Tidus> because the 1700 was 1433

15:42 <yoyo[RKN]> ahh yoyo

15:42 * freelarry backed away from oc'ing - was having to many caps start to bulge while doing it

15:42 <TMatWork> lol

15:43 <zombie67> nancy

15:43 <MTughan> I tried to overclock my P4 Prescott 2.8Ghz. I got up to about 3.0GHz, but then my processor began running at 80+C.

15:43 <freelarry> yup - but still have 7 working systems ;)

15:43 <MTughan> So it's back at 2.8GHz.

15:43 <TMatWork> I got my 2.0 to 3.2

15:43 <Tidus> MTughan, they don't nickname those "presHott" for nothing

15:43 <TMatWork> 2.8

15:43 <MTughan> Oh, this was with Intel's stock cooler too. That was a mistake.

15:43 <Romulus> "Man trying to attach gdb to a star

15:44 <TMatWork> yes it was..

15:44 <zombie67> I have a Pentium D 945 running at 4.35

15:44 <TMatWork> I got a typhoon on mine

15:44 <TMatWork> with an upgraded fan

15:44 <MTughan> It's now on a Zalman cooler.

15:44 <zombie67> and a C2Q 6600 running at 3ghz

15:44 <MTughan> I should try o/clocking it again... I could probably push it a bit higher.

15:44 <TMatWork> :)

15:45 <TMatWork> im outa here, off to lunch

15:45 <Tidus> i got my ath-64 3500 up to 2.6 (2.2 stock) on the stock amd coolewr

15:45 <MTughan> It was running about about 68C with stock, now at 55C... Bye.

15:45 <Tidus> using as5 as the paste

15:45 <Tidus> i scraped that wax pad off before i ever assembled it

15:46 <mweltin> MTughan: are you tsp WU's failing due to md5 checksum errors?

15:46 <MTughan> Let me try downloading some...

15:46 <PriitM> i reached only 2.6ghz with my 4200+(2.2ghz default). simply because of this poopy 50$ mobo

15:46 <MTughan> Yes.

15:46 <loompek> is it odd for my slowest computer to be the fastest?

15:47 <MTughan> lol

15:47 <loompek> http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/hosts_user.php?userid=220009

15:47 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$zC> (at boinc.bakerlab.org)

15:47 <zombie67> gotta run

15:47 <MTughan> mweltin: Yes, just got one. Failed due to MD5.

15:47 <MTughan> Bye.

15:47 <mweltin> ybye

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15:47 <loompek> i've got 3 boxes... and my p4-3.2ghz with ht seems to have the most measured fp and int operations per second

15:48 <loompek> my laptop that has c2d t7700 has less

15:48 <MTughan> No, the AMD is faster. Just checking the other...

15:48 <loompek> and server's opteron 2214he has less

15:49 <PriitM> is boinc working slower on linux boxes then on windows boxes?

15:49 <MTughan> C2D is also faster than the P4.

15:50 <MTughan> Integer, C2D: 5490.4; AMD: 3061.2; P4: 2154.0

15:50 <PovAddict> back

15:50 <mweltin> MTughan: what was the file name for that WU?

15:51 <MTughan> Floating-point, C2D: 2261.83; AMD: 1627.64; P4: 1259.4

15:51 <loompek> oh i see

15:51 <loompek> guess i didn't look good enough :D

15:51 <MTughan> mweltin: 11Seq_32_33_36_38_39_40_41_42_43_44_46

15:51 <PovAddict> mweltin: it's quite simple...

15:52 <PovAddict> mweltin: you open file A, and write the XML on it

15:52 <mweltin> thats what I do.

15:52 <PovAddict> mweltin: then run create_work to create workunit A with that file

15:52 <PovAddict> your bad naming scheme is causing duplicates, right?

15:52 <mweltin> that is also what I do.

15:53 <MTughan> Oh... I think I see where he's going

15:53 <PovAddict> so you then again do a workunit called A

15:53 <mweltin> yes, but I was under the impression the duplicates are not entering into the database

15:53 <PovAddict> and they arent, but go on reading:

15:53 <MTughan> It's overwriting old WUs with the same name, and not overwriting the MD5s? Or the other way around?

15:53 <mweltin> ok

15:53 <mweltin> sorry

15:53 <PovAddict> you open file A, write the XML for the new workunit, then create_work fails because A already exists, so it's not added to the DB

15:53 <PovAddict> but the file *is* modified

15:54 <MTughan> And that throws off MD5...

15:54 <mweltin> well here is where I disagree

15:54 <MTughan> Which is still on the old, unmodified WU.

15:54 <mweltin> all files get put in ./pahts

15:54 <mweltin> and then craete_work would move it from paths to ./upload

15:55 <PovAddict> you mean download...

15:55 <mweltin> but that never happens, or so I think, (yes download)

15:55 <PovAddict> create_work doesn't move the file

15:55 <PovAddict> your work generator calls dir_hier_path to know where in the download directory to put it

15:56 <PovAddict> ok I found your workgen script

15:56 <mweltin> it gets copied from ./paths to download/

15:57 <PovAddict> even if line 11 fails on a duplicate, line 9 doesn't; it overwrites the old file

15:57 <mweltin> ahh yes it does.

15:58 <MTughan> So you need to check for a duplicate earlier.

15:58 <mweltin> I'm F'ed

15:58 <MTughan> Or can you?

15:58 <mweltin> I'm going to go back to my last nameing convention

15:58 <MTughan> mweltin: Almost didn't see the apostrophe there, thought you said you were a fed. :P

15:58 <PovAddict> the HUGE one?

15:58 <PovAddict> make the name have just an ID number, instead of all the paths involved...

15:59 <PovAddict> protein folding projects don't put the whole protein structure on the name... >.>

15:59 <mweltin> I was thinking about using the workunit id, but they would have to get in the database first.

15:59 <PovAddict> not really

16:00 <mweltin> just read the last id

16:00 <mweltin> and increment that ?

16:00 <PovAddict> make your *own* db table containing the id, the input paths, and maybe also the output (to have the assimilator store the output on the DB too)

16:00 <PovAddict> now here's something that is *designed* for such layout but isn't documented:

16:00 <PovAddict> all workunits have an "opaque" field

16:01 <PovAddict> it's a number that isn't used in boinc itself, it's there for the project-specific apps to use it

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16:01 <MTughan> Opaque? Didn't know data could have transparency...

16:01 <PovAddict> so that's where the id on your project-specific table would be

16:01 <MTughan> :P

16:01 <mweltin> someone in the projects mailing list had a similar suggestion.

16:01 <PovAddict> my 3d-rendering project has something like that, except it's three tables instead of one

16:02 * yoyo[RKN] wus named with year,month,day,hour,minute,counter when they were created

16:02 <PovAddict> animation table: animation ID, total frames, input file path, etc.

16:02 <MTughan> Oh, BTW: The forums on IMPFarm are in German for me.

16:03 <PovAddict> frame table: frame ID, animid (referring to an entry on the animation table), frame number within animation

16:03 <MTughan> And I don't see a language field anywhere.

16:03 <PovAddict> tile table: tile ID, frame (referring to an entry on the frame table), tile number within frame, and if it's completed or not

16:03 <PovAddict> I store the tile ID on the workunit's opaque field

16:04 <PovAddict> the assimilator then deferences all that mess to know what anim/frame/tile that workunit is, to know where to save the output file

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16:04 <MTughan> sethiroth66: Got an iPhone yet? xD

16:04 <PovAddict> and since I'm using a PHP script as work generator like you, instead of a C++ workgen, I had to modify create_work to add an -opaque switch

16:04 <mweltin> ok cool I feel better now PovAddict

16:05 <PovAddict> hmm

16:05 <PovAddict> I should get the devs to add -opaque to the official code

16:05 <mweltin> mine is split, I have genWork a C++ prog that makes all the XML files and then calls genWork.php

16:06 <PovAddict> well mine is a bit of a mess :]

16:06 <mweltin> same here

16:06 <PovAddict> I should see if I can make a native-PHP create_work

16:07 <PovAddict> would be much more efficient to have the PHP script add the workunits to the DB

16:07 <mweltin> yes that would be handy.

16:07 <PovAddict> instead of spawning a new process that connects to the DB, adds the entry, disconnects from DB, and dies

16:07 <PovAddict> repeatedly

16:07 <MTughan> Are you joining BOINC then?

16:07 <PovAddict> ...wut

16:08 <MTughan> As a dev?

16:08 <MTughan> You seem to be doing a lot of work on it.

16:08 <PovAddict> I'm here already -> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectPeople

16:08 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$zb> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

16:08 <PovAddict> but I don't have (and don't really want) a SVN account

16:08 <MTughan> Heh, cool...

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16:36 <PriitM> http://englishrussia.com/?p=256#more-256 :>

16:36 <Romulus> Title: English Russia What a ferry line (at englishrussia.com)

16:40 <TMatWork> ib

16:41 <PovAddict> .

16:42 <freelarry> pov side?

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16:52 <MTughan> Bye for now...

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16:58 <TMatWork> boinc 5.10.30 for win is up

16:58 <TMatWork> and im outa here to

16:58 <mweltin> I'm out, working on expat error checked and what not.

16:58 <mweltin> later

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16:59 <TMatWork> gl ;)

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17:05 * CoderForLife falls backwards into the room

17:05 <CoderForLife> dang those revolving doors

17:05 * freelarry pulls his bed of nails out of way for CoderForLife to hit floor

17:06 <CoderForLife> oh wow - thanks - that was close

17:07 <freelarry> lol perforated you know what if wasn't fast enough

17:09 <CoderForLife> yeah, I'd hate to lose all these balloons I'm carrying

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17:27 <freelarry> lol

17:27 <freelarry> hey CoderForLife you up on hardware requirements for ip's?

17:28 <CoderForLife> for ip's?

17:28 <freelarry> ie question is can 4 static ip's be assigned to one modem?

17:28 <PovAddict> you don't *need* more than one external IP

17:29 <CoderForLife> when I had a DSL router, it had 4 IP addresses

17:29 <Romulus> don't like the fact that it makes sense

17:29 <freelarry> isp would give 4 static ip's so could they assign them to thier modem to my machines?

17:29 <freelarry> then only one connection required ;)

17:30 <CoderForLife> do you need separate domain names?

17:30 <CoderForLife> with separate IP addresses?

17:31 <freelarry> not sure - currently thinking about home website and email

17:31 <freelarry> on local machine

17:31 <CoderForLife> I have multiple domains and one IP address

17:32 <freelarry> one static ip is 10 dollars per month 4 is thirty

17:32 <CoderForLife> I use virtual hosts in Apache to manage the web sites

17:32 <CoderForLife> My one sendmail server manages mail for all the domains

17:32 <freelarry> wondering as thinking of allowing pov to start up his site again but don't want isp to classify his mailserver as spammer again

17:33 <CoderForLife> don't send spam and it won't be a problem

17:33 <freelarry> so set up of sendmail on machine and then have him do is forum updates thru it?

17:33 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: forum post notifications were being sent

17:33 <PovAddict> users choosing to subscribe

17:33 <PovAddict> and his ISP screamed SPAM

17:34 <CoderForLife> if the IP address is in the range assigned to dynamic or home users, it will automatically be labelled as spam, unless you send out through the ISP's official smtp gateway

17:34 <CoderForLife> my sendmail server sends all mail out through the ISP gateway

17:34 <PovAddict> well anyway, I already have a hosting

17:35 <freelarry> thats why thinking business account (soho size with at least one static ip) currently on ddns

17:35 <freelarry> true pov

17:36 <freelarry> is renderathome up then? r did you rename

17:39 <CoderForLife> cosmology is down

17:40 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2269&nowrap=true#13796

17:40 <Romulus> Title: News on Project OutagesNews on Project Outages (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

17:41 <PovAddict> wow, there is actually two <title> tags

17:55 * CoderForLife opens boxes just delivered by UPS

17:55 * freelarry peeks ovr shouldr and wonders if new lappy

17:56 <CoderForLife> that was "last" week

17:56 * freelarry avoids boxes by ups as they contain mostly bills for him

17:56 <CoderForLife> new laptop is sweet

17:56 <freelarry> so haven't burned your lap yet then ;)

17:57 <CoderForLife> it mostly rests on Stephen's lap

17:57 <freelarry> lol lt him get the warming then

17:58 <PovAddict> "...and use the SWT instead of Swing.  This causes a TREMENDOUS improvement in the speed of the application."

17:58 <PovAddict> wow nice

17:58 * CoderForLife opens the Christmas music on CD that he used on have on an album many years ago

17:58 <PovAddict> I always said I would never use the ugly Swing because I prefer the gui to be really native, not "looks and feels like it but not quite"

17:58 <PovAddict> I didn't know it would be so much faster too

17:59 <CoderForLife> do you know anything about xquery, Pov?

17:59 <PovAddict> hmm

17:59 <PovAddict> only xpath, which I think is a part of xquery

17:59 <CoderForLife> yup

17:59 <PovAddict> yeah I used xpath quite a bit

18:00 <CoderForLife> how's speed?

18:00 <CoderForLife> from PHP?

18:00 <PovAddict> hmm dunno, I always used it on relatively small XML documents

18:00 <CoderForLife> mine is 100 pages long if printed out

18:01 <PovAddict> I think the slowest part is building the DOM tree (xpath can't be used along with something like SAX, you *need* a tree)

18:01 <CoderForLife> sure - they're all DOM based

18:01 <CoderForLife> can't traverse it if you can't follow the hierarchy

18:02 <PovAddict> well, I think there are some regex-optimizing concepts you can apply there too

18:03 <PovAddict> for example, giving the full path to the element is probably faster than leaving some "wildcards" (like body//p to match a p anywhere in the body regardless of depth)

18:04 <PovAddict> do your own benchmarking :)

18:05 <CoderForLife> I will =)

18:05 <PovAddict> I never used it on anything requiring high traversing performance

18:05 <PovAddict> always downloading the xml from the remote server was a lot slower :)

18:06 <PovAddict> switching sides... how slow is dynamic casting in Java?

18:06 <PovAddict> both instanceof and casts

18:07 <CoderForLife> um, dunno

18:07 <PovAddict> I read an article saying it was quite slow, but it was very old, from before Java had generics

18:07 <PovAddict> so it probably improved since that article

18:08 <CoderForLife> probably - even in the JVM handling of usch things

18:08 <PovAddict> yeah that's what I mean

18:08 <PovAddict> JVMs improved a lot

18:08 <CoderForLife> correct

18:09 * CoderForLife tries to decide whether to start down the xpath or xquery route

18:09 * CoderForLife googles xpath versus xquery

18:09 <PovAddict> lol

18:09 <PovAddict> "I have even stopped complaining about the Java GUI elements that used to suck like a vacuum cleaner"

18:10 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: xpath is *part of* xquery so I'm not sure if that's a good comparison to make...

18:14 <CoderForLife> xquery has conditional logic, like SQL WHERE clause

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18:14 * CoderForLife is ocnfused, for the moment

18:14 <CoderForLife> lol

18:14 <CoderForLife> confused*

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18:16 <PovAddict> heh that looks weird... a JVM assembler

18:16 <PovAddict> syntax for class and method structure is like java, but the method body is in the JVM bytecode mnemonics

18:17 <Romulus> the only thing I am going to do the PM in seti that's down, due to storms last night

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18:19 * CoderForLife reads on

18:19 <CoderForLife> I think I need xquery to return data from the XML document

18:19 <CoderForLife> does xpath collect and return data?

18:19 <PovAddict> ohh hold on there..

18:19 <PovAddict> I think PHP has no xquery support

18:19 <CoderForLife> Xquery Lite

18:20 <PovAddict> unless you use a 3rd party extension or something...

18:20 <CoderForLife> right

18:20 <PovAddict> hmm my classpath went weird

18:20 <CoderForLife> if I want to get *real* serious - PHP Java bridge to Saxon

18:20 <PovAddict> doesn't contain '.'

18:22 <CoderForLife> that could be a problem

18:22 <PovAddict> how do I allow the jvm to use more memory?

18:23 <CoderForLife> several command line switches

18:23 <CoderForLife> -X something

18:23 <CoderForLife> can set default heap size

18:24 <PovAddict> creating a few million Strings for a test...

18:25 <CoderForLife> wow

18:26 <CoderForLife> looks like I'm going to start with http://phpxmlclasses.sourceforge.net/class_xquery_lite.html

18:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1+28> (at phpxmlclasses.sourceforge.net)

18:26 <PovAddict> hmm nice

18:27 <PovAddict> it's xquery but uses xpath internally

18:29 <PovAddict> ok I did the benchmark

18:30 <PovAddict> looks like instanceof is sometimes slower and sometimes faster than reflection, but in any case, both take milliseconds over five thousand Strings

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18:35 <CoderForLife> dagnabbit

18:36 <CoderForLife> this getting old just drains the Coder out of me

18:38 <PovAddict> hmm I'm not sure how to design this at all...

18:39 <PovAddict> a forum thread has a subject, an author, timestamp, etc

18:39 * CoderForLife thinks he ahs to apply an XLST transform to the results of the xquery call =(

18:39 <PovAddict> modern forums have features like making threads sticky, closing them to avoid further posting, etc

18:39 <CoderForLife> has*  XSLT*

18:39 <PovAddict> I want to make those features into independent modules

18:40 <CoderForLife> so would those features, when added, extend the existing objects?

18:40 <PovAddict> which means, if the sticky module is enabled, the thread now has a new property: boolean sticky, and when displaying the thread list, the module needs to change the order of threads to make sticky ones show on top

18:41 <PovAddict> so hmm yeah, extend ForumThread with a class that adds the sticky property, and the module has to cast it to access the property

18:42 <CoderForLife> I'd sure like to know the answer to this one:  http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web_Development/Web_Languages-Standards/PHP/Q_20616283.html

18:42 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1+2I> (at www.experts-exchange.com)

18:42 <PovAddict> but Java has no multiple inheritance, how do I add the close-thread and sticky-thread modules together, if both need to add properties?

18:42 <PovAddict> both need to be stored somewhere too (DB?)

18:43 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: the solution shows for me, at the very bottom of the page

18:43 <CoderForLife> could you repeatedly apply the features, creating threads with all the features?

18:43 <CoderForLife> can you PM the solution to me?

18:43 <PovAddict> http://rafb.net/p/ZTjFEb32.html

18:43 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)

18:43 <PovAddict> I dunno why it shows, I definitely don't have an account

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18:45 <PovAddict> maybe I need some more abstract way... instead of extending it, have the ForumThread keep a Map of custom properties?

18:46 <CoderForLife> and apply the one it needs?

18:46 <PovAddict> forum.setProperty("sticky", true);

18:47 <PovAddict> err, thread*

18:47 <PovAddict> w,e

18:47 <Romulus> oh - you better attach a project, it get's a "no work from project

18:48 <PovAddict> that seems to be the only way... if I have a "ForumThreadWithStickyFeature extends ForumThread", I can't have multiple features

18:48 <Tank_Master> ib

18:48 <CoderForLife> ForumThreadWithGooeyFeature extends ForumThreadWithStickyFeature

18:49 <PovAddict> then I can't have Gooey feature without the Sticky feature as well :-\

18:49 <CoderForLife> a-yuppa

18:49 <Tank_Master> ForumThreadWithStickyFeature extends ForumThreadWithThatOtherFeature

18:50 <CoderForLife> I'm sorry to bale out here - but my brain is baked for today

18:50 <Tank_Master> stop smoking

18:50 * CoderForLife thinks "baked brain not good"

18:50 <Tank_Master> its bad for your BOINCing

18:50 <CoderForLife> I have never smoked

18:50 <Tank_Master> good

18:50 <PovAddict> "and never will again"

18:50 <CoderForLife> thanks

18:51 <CoderForLife> sooooooo.......

18:51 <CoderForLife> cya =)

18:52 <Tank_Master> tc

18:52 <Tank_Master> did TSP get fixed yet?

18:59 <wdsmia> just passed the 1M mark on einstein ;-)

18:59 <Tank_Master> congrats!

19:01 <wdsmia> TSP still seems to be fubar

19:01 <Tank_Master> bummer

19:02 <Tank_Master> so I wont try to reset my host ID to get more work then ;)

19:03 <wdsmia> lol

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19:41 <Bads_quad> howdy

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20:18 <MTughan> 'lo all

20:18 <MTughan> Did mweltin get anywhere?

20:18 <zombie67> hello

20:19 <zombie67> md5 fixed yet?

20:19 <MTughan> That's what I asking...

20:19 <zombie67> I just got here too

20:19 <MTughan> Ah.

20:19 <MTughan> Nope.

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21:02 <PovAddict> http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/sum/index.html

21:02 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1+4+> (at download.zonealarm.com)

21:03 <Romulus> much better job at all (coming from a "cutoff low"

21:03 <MTughan> Cool...

21:04 <zombie67> spyware?  what's that?

21:04 <zombie67> ;)

21:05 <PovAddict> some crap you get on Windoze machines

21:05 <MTughan> Hehe... I like your way of thinking, zombie67.

21:07 <zombie67> even with windows machines, NAT router + firewall is good enough, if you stay away from p0rn sites....

21:07 <MTughan> Yeah.

21:07 <zombie67> don't open attachments

21:07 <zombie67> simple stuff

21:07 <MTughan> That most people ignore.

21:08 <zombie67> the biggest security hole, is always the user....

21:08 <PovAddict> I have a nat router, no software firewall, and I don't stay away from pr0n sites

21:08 <MTughan> :o

21:08 <PovAddict> but I use NoScript

21:08 <zombie67> NoScript?

21:08 <PovAddict> and if I click a picture and gets me a .exe, I do notice...

21:09 <PovAddict> zombie67: Firefox plugin; disabled Javascript, Flash, etc. unless site is on whitelist

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21:09 <zombie67> ah

21:09 <PovAddict> also blocks lots of XSS attacks

21:10 <zombie67> http://noscript.net/

21:10 <Romulus> Title: NoScript - JavaScript/Java/Flash blocker for a safer Firefox experience! - what is it? - InformAction (at noscript.net)

21:10 <zombie67> there are p0rn sites on whitelists?

21:10 <zombie67> ;)

21:10 <PovAddict> the whitelist is empty, you build it

21:11 <zombie67> ah.  i assumed they provided a starter list.

21:11 <PovAddict> it's easy to add stuff

21:11 <zombie67> how do you know a site is bad until after you catch something?

21:12 <MTughan> You disable everything, and add after you trust it.

21:12 <PovAddict> everything is blocked unless on whitelist, not the other way around

21:12 <zombie67> but you can't go to any site to learn if it is trustworthy

21:12 <PovAddict> yes you can, it's just JS won't work on it

21:12 <zombie67> ah

21:12 <PovAddict> or Flash or Java or Silverlight or...

21:13 <freelarry> does it work with ie6?

21:14 <MTughan> FF.

21:14 <PovAddict> it's a Firefox plugin, so no

21:14 <zombie67> *snort*

21:14 <freelarry> darn

21:14 <Romulus> the media centre I've got, but was not vectorized: unsupported loop structure.

21:14 <zombie67> ie = huge security holes

21:14 <freelarry> true

21:14 <PovAddict> it's a feature, zombie67

21:14 <zombie67> of course.

21:15 <zombie67> 98.8k at POEM.  Be there by the end of the night.

21:16 <zombie67> Pov: did tsp fix the md5 problem yet?

21:16 <MTughan> No, I just got one.

21:17 <zombie67> i've never seen the problem before.

21:17 <zombie67> he must be messing up in a special way

21:17 <MTughan> I think we did figure out the root cause.

21:21 <freelarry> pov you want to try the ubantu release of .28 on nix machine?

21:21 * freelarry come on i know you do

21:21 <zombie67> that does not work on my xubuntu 6 system

21:21 <freelarry> ahh pov has edgy on this one

21:22 <freelarry> and mostly just ssh to that machine now

21:23 * freelarry think its time for me to go scan the wifes machine - she was surfing again and still have lots of addies on router log long after she got off

21:23 <zombie67> milkyway is out of work

21:24 <PovAddict> and it's the normal ubuntu, not (k|x|edu|go)buntu

21:26 <zombie67> I used xubuntu because it is a PII.  less is better....

21:31 <zombie67> PovAddict:  http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/forum_thread.php?id=32&nowrap=true#471

21:31 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1+4m> (at bob.myisland.as)

21:32 <zombie67> 99k @ POEM

21:35 <wdsmia> passed 1M @ Einstein today

21:36 <zombie67> w00t!

21:36 <MTughan> Sweet...

21:36 <MTughan> Nearing 100K in Einstein myself.

21:36 <Romulus> mabey they have buried so much there, my mediocre bash scripting skills are somewhat rusty though :)

21:38 <zombie67> my Mac Pro (8-way) just passed 1M, starting from April.

21:39 <MTughan> Hey, passed 150K total!

21:39 <Tank_Master> congrats

21:39 <PovAddict> 183k here

21:40 <Tank_Master> Im closing in on 5.75m

21:41 <zombie67> who is user "deprecated"?

21:42 <PovAddict> Mac users: do you have a /etc/hosts?

21:42 <MTughan> Yes.

21:43 <zombie67> 99.2k....

21:51 <MTughan> PovAddict: Is TSP Linux hosted on your machine?

21:52 <MTughan> I seem to remember getting more than 20KB/s from you.

21:52 <PovAddict> no, imp server

21:52 <MTughan> I thought that had a better connection then...

21:52 <MTughan> Downloading at 21KB/s.

21:52 <PovAddict> well, I think it's one of these http://www.positive-internet.com/dolphin/dolphin.html

21:52 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1+58> (at www.positive-internet.com)

21:53 <zombie67> P4s??

21:53 <MTughan> Huh?

21:56 <MTughan> Oh yeah, BURP...

22:01 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do you know how to apply a patch? Trying for BURP, but it wants to check it out again, and I don't want to do that.

22:05 <zombie67> looks like milkyway finally fixed their stuck downloads problem.

22:06 <Romulus> can you say? can't hear it transmitted via bone

22:06 <deprecated> <zombie67> who is user "deprecated"? ~ That would be me. Lurking in the bushes as always.

22:06 <MTughan> lol

22:08 <PovAddict> MTughan: there is a conveniently-named tool for that: patch

22:08 <MTughan> Yes, but I don't want to have to enter the name of every file.

22:09 <PovAddict> the patch has the names of the files

22:09 <MTughan> Yes, but they're in different directories.

22:09 <PovAddict> correction

22:09 <PovAddict> the patch has the relative paths of the files

22:10 <PovAddict> patch -p0 < thingy.diff (read the manpage about -p and adjust number as needed; you may need to see the .diff to see what level they were made for; or look at the script, see what it uses)

22:11 <zombie67> 99.4k

22:20 <Tank_Master> still getting md5 errors in tsp.. :(

22:20 <zombie67> yeah

22:21 <Tank_Master> should I contunue in hopes I get a good one?

22:21 <Tank_Master> or keep it set to nnw?

22:21 <MTughan> Naw.

22:22 <zombie67> I am leaving it on, and will take whatever I happen to get.

22:22 <Tank_Master> :P

22:22 <zombie67> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/forum_thread.php?id=32&nowrap=true#471

22:22 <PovAddict> at least you aren't wasting CPU

22:22 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1+4m> (at bob.myisland.as)

22:22 <Tank_Master> it is rather easy to change the host ID and get more...

22:22 <Tank_Master> true, povA

22:22 <zombie67> he says we have to wait for 14,000 WUs to cycle through??

22:23 <PovAddict> he should cancel them!

22:23 <Tank_Master> :P

22:23 <zombie67> maybe he doesn't know about canceling?

22:23 <PovAddict> I think he did it for some past WUs

22:24 <Tank_Master> arg

22:24 <Tank_Master> I got some that took over 6k sec and got a validate error

22:25 <Romulus> so having games use all CPU would defeat the purpose

22:25 <PovAddict> yeah Rommie

22:25 <Tank_Master> stfu rommie

22:25 <Tank_Master> I like my games

22:27 * Tank_Master is buring through WUs like no tomorrow

22:27 <Tank_Master> 16 down none good

22:28 <Tank_Master> im glad he didnt for the 1min backoff

22:32 <Tank_Master> anyone know why my mIRC is always ontop all the other windows?

22:33 <zombie67> for Macs, there really arn't many choices for high-credit projects.

22:33 <PovAddict> because you told it so?

22:33 <Tank_Master> didnt think I did

22:33 <zombie67> SETI w/ optimized, and yoyo

22:33 <Tank_Master> how do I set it straight?

22:33 <zombie67> that's about it.

22:33 <PovAddict> right click titlebar

22:33 <MTughan> zombie67: What's SETI w/ optimized?

22:34 <PovAddict> SETI using an optimized app

22:34 <MTughan> Ah.

22:34 <Tank_Master> ahh, thx pov

22:34 <Tank_Master> much better ;)

22:34 <Tank_Master> never woulda thought to look there

22:35 <zombie67> I already have 1.4M with SETI, so I really want to focus on something else...

22:35 <Tank_Master> aps?

22:35 <Tank_Master> oh, it might help if they had work...

22:35 <PovAddict> lol

22:35 <zombie67> right

22:36 <zombie67> marriage over BOINC?!?  unthinkable

22:36 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:36 <PovAddict> WUT

22:37 <Tank_Master> ok, now I have burned through 50 TSP WUs and not one good one was found

22:37 <zombie67> 13,950 to go

22:37 <Tank_Master> lol

22:37 <Tank_Master> to true

22:37 <zombie67> keep up the good work

22:38 <Tank_Master> knowing my luck, youll; get the good one of the batch

22:38 <Tank_Master> it would be quicker if I could d/l more than 4 at once

22:39 <zombie67> If he really is not going to abort the bad ones, he should remove any DL limits

22:39 <PovAddict> let us kill them faster

22:39 <Tank_Master> true

22:39 <MTughan> There, I now have a piece of kleenex squished between the back of my trackpad and my batter.

22:39 <MTughan> battery*

22:40 <MTughan> Should improve clicking.

22:40 <MTughan> Oh yeah, much firmer.

22:40 * Tank_Master dosent want to kno

22:40 <Tank_Master> w

22:41 <MTughan> I think I hit it too hard one too many times.

22:41 <MTughan> A click would send two clicks.

22:42 <Tank_Master> well, drained some of the queue

22:42 <Tank_Master> 11/13/2007 7:40:37 PM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project

22:42 <zombie67> #rieselsieve is hopping tonight

22:42 <Tank_Master> oh?

22:42 <zombie67> Results ready to send14,116

22:43 <Tank_Master> you know it isnt all avalible right away...

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22:44 <Tank_Master> wb MT

22:44 <zombie67> well, hopping compared to a normal night, when it is completly dead.

22:45 <MTughan_> Colloquy stopped doing visual updates.

22:45 <Tank_Master> nad its not now?

22:45 <zombie67> everyone shut up when you two joined.

22:45 <Tank_Master> they havent said a word since I got there..

22:45 <Tank_Master> lol

22:45 <Tank_Master> figures

22:46 <zombie67> earlier I asked what % was boinc vs. non-boinc for RS

22:46 <zombie67> answer #1:  sieve - about 95-97% boinc

22:46 <zombie67> answer #2:  LLRNet, I'd say 60-40, 70-30 tops for BOINC

22:48 <MTughan_> Okay, I have my Mac and my Linux VM both burning through WUs.

22:49 <Tank_Master> :)

22:49 <Tank_Master> nice

22:49 <Tank_Master> might b y I am only getting 1 WU at a time now, instead of 4?

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22:50 <Tank_Master> wb

22:50 <MTughan> Thanks.

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22:51 <Tank_Master> there goes your alter ego

22:53 <Tank_Master> waa!

22:53 <Tank_Master> I got a good one!

22:53 <MTughan> lol

22:53 <PovAddict> tsp??

22:53 <Tank_Master> yep

22:54 <Tank_Master> +2 good

22:54 <MTughan> Nothing here yet.

22:54 <Tank_Master> 3 in total now

22:54 <Tank_Master> its estimating at 46min though

22:54 <MTughan> Damn... How are you getting them?

22:55 <Tank_Master> must be a good part of the batch?

22:55 <MTughan> Mac reached quota.

22:55 <Tank_Master> haha

22:55 <Tank_Master> yeah, got that 4 times in a row on this comp

22:55 <Tank_Master> 4th d/led and wating

22:55 <MTughan> Still have a VM that could get WUs.

22:56 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:56 <Tank_Master> I just changed the host ID, then d/led more

22:56 <Tank_Master> maxed out and repeated

22:56 <MTughan> You can change the host ID?

22:56 <Tank_Master> not easly

22:57 <Tank_Master> its a heavly multi-step process

22:57 <Tank_Master> and its frowned appon by some

22:57 <MTughan> Damn... VM just hit quota. 10 results?

22:57 <Tank_Master> 10?

22:57 <Tank_Master> more like 20

22:57 <MTughan> 10 on both...

22:58 <MTughan> Could it be 20 per user?

22:58 <Tank_Master> it stoped getting more when I got down to 12

22:58 <Tank_Master> no, per host

22:58 <MTughan> That's what I thought...

22:58 <Tank_Master> id be in a world of hurt if it was per user

22:58 <Tank_Master> with 50 comps

22:58 <MTughan> lol

23:01 <PovAddict> I just got windoze updates

23:01 <Tank_Master> uep

23:01 <Tank_Master> 3?

23:01 <PovAddict> 2

23:01 <Tank_Master> no office?

23:01 <bryanUC_> it's update tuesday?

23:01 <PovAddict> it is

23:01 <Tank_Master> one was just the junkmail filter for outlok

23:01 <PovAddict> 1 security update, and the usual "malware removal tool"

23:01 <PovAddict> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS07-061.mspx

23:01 <bryanUC_> I thought it was the 3rd tuesday for some reason

23:01 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1+63> (at www.microsoft.com)

23:01 <PovAddict> no it's 2nd

23:01 <Tank_Master> nope

23:04 <Tank_Master> 1st one compleated in 11min06sec

23:04 <Tank_Master> uploaded and onother downloaded w/o probs

23:05 <Tank_Master> so we *may* be out of the woods

23:05 <Tank_Master> for now

23:05 <Tank_Master> thx to my efferts ;)

23:08 <Tank_Master> lol, one WU took 666.64 sec

23:08 <Romulus> i can't remember how to grep the pid outta the ps aux also, sometimes a crashed boinc will let lenovo take care of myself, have a pair of earplugs

23:08 <zombie67> already reached my daily quota of *2*

23:08 <Tank_Master> lol

23:08 <PovAddict> reached my quota of 12

23:14 <zombie67> 99.7k

23:15 <Tank_Master> for poem?

23:20 <zombie67> yep

23:20 <zombie67> almost done.

23:21 <Tank_Master> coo

23:21 <Tank_Master> poem seems like a worthy project

23:23 <zombie67> I will concentrate again after they release optimized apps.

23:23 <Tank_Master> how optimized?

23:26 <Tank_Master> seems as though TSP's ul server has stoped handing out work...

23:26 <PovAddict> I reached my quota

23:26 <PovAddict> but I have lots of suspended WUs

23:27 <PovAddict> can't be bothered to close it to edit my client_state hostid

23:28 <Tank_Master> :P

23:28 <zombie67> all my machines hit thier quota 12 hours ago.

23:28 <Tank_Master> bytes, huh?

23:28 <Tank_Master> well, its not handing me any work now...

23:28 <Tank_Master> so you arent really missing out

23:29 <Tank_Master> ok, scratch that, got another UW

23:29 *** bryanUC_ is now known as rootkiller

23:29 <Tank_Master> MD5 craped at it thoguh

23:29 <Tank_Master> hiya rootkiller

23:33 *** rootkiller is now known as bryanUC

23:39 <zombie67> 99.8k

23:58 <zombie67> night all

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