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05:14 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
05:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 38.2°F / 3.4°C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming north after midnight.; Sunday - Partly sunny. (1 more message)
05:15 <CoderForLife> &more
05:15 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Highs in the upper 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;
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06:20 <freelarry> &weather 98366
06:20 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 41°F / 5°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows 40 to 45. South wind around 10 mph.; Saturday - Rain developing. Highs in the upper 40s to mid 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Showers in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a (1 more message)
06:21 <freelarry> &more
06:21 <Romulus> freelarry: chance of showers. Lows near 40. West wind 10 to 15 mph.;
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06:33 <CoderForLife> morning freelarry
06:34 <Romulus> big slug of wet coming up with str2intVec...
06:34 * CoderForLife finishes writing checks to pay the bills
06:35 <CoderForLife> bbiab
07:06 <CoderForLife> checks wriiten - grocery list ready - time to do the Saturday errands - bbl
07:25 <MTughan> All right, am off to my competition. Bye everyone!
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09:09 <Bads_Quad> morning
09:44 <Romulus> Title: The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth: Where in the World Image Quiz (at eol.jsc.nasa.gov)
09:44 <CoderForLife> back from store
09:44 <CoderForLife> morning Bads_Quad and BadBarbarian
09:44 <CoderForLife> brb
09:59 <BadBarbarian> morning
09:59 <BadBarbarian> was making coffee
10:01 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046
10:01 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 32.5°F / 0.3°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 23.71in / 802.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs 62 to 68. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 23 to 33. Light winds.; Sunday - Partly cloudy. Highs 63 to 69. Light winds.;
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10:27 <CoderForLife> back
10:27 <CoderForLife> I guess "brb" is a relative term
10:27 <quail> g'evening all, how are we all? man my noddle is about to explode
10:27 <CoderForLife> depends on what relative is asking me to do somthing
10:27 <CoderForLife> hello quail
10:28 <quail> so much work to get a package into the debian / ubuntu repo
10:29 * CoderForLife brandishes his sledge hammer and cutting torch
10:29 <CoderForLife> let me at'em
10:29 <quail> hehe
10:29 <CoderForLife> my sister went home from the hospital last night
10:30 <quail> :-)
10:30 <CoderForLife> I'm not sure that was the best medical strategy
10:30 <quail> oh
10:30 <CoderForLife> but she and the hospital staff were quite done with each other
10:30 <quail> I hope she is going to be ok
10:30 <CoderForLife> time will tell
10:30 <CoderForLife> the medicine is helping, but she is very sick
10:30 <quail> k
10:31 <quail> what is wrong with her?
10:35 <CoderForLife> she is very overweight, had some kind of massive infection in August, refused to go to doctor (several reasons), her legs are enormous plus swelled, covered with sores and leaking fluid - she finally went to the doctor 2 weeks ago, and said if she didn't get treated she'd lose the legs and quite probably her life
10:35 <CoderForLife> in August over the course of 4 weeks she lost 65 pounds
10:36 <CoderForLife> she's a sick puppy
10:37 <quail> I am sorry to hear that, I hope she gets better soon
10:38 <CoderForLife> yep - we all do - thanks
10:39 <quail> she will just have faith :-)
10:42 <CoderForLife> yep
10:42 <quail> how have you been mate?
10:42 <CoderForLife> busy, as usual
10:42 <quail> me too
10:43 <quail> I have to get my gpg key signed soon
10:43 <CoderForLife> as a result of an executive management meeting on Friday the 9th, I have been rapidly designing a new system so that we can estimate time and cost to build
10:44 <CoderForLife> this new system could potentially handle the flow of hundreds of millions of dollars - no pressure
10:45 <quail> where is the pressure :-P
10:45 <CoderForLife> it's got to be right - first time, every time, not one transaction affected
10:45 <quail> you should beable to handle that in your sleep :-P
10:46 <CoderForLife> I literally have been designing in my sleep
10:46 <quail> oh, got to hate them 1s and 0s dreams
10:47 <CoderForLife> yeah - this was about how to re-submit business to the system, once it had been through the first time and rejected for some reason
10:48 <CoderForLife> as it turns out, the solution is pretty clever
10:48 * CoderForLife pats his dream on the back
10:48 <quail> :-)
10:48 <BadBarbarian> lol morning quail &coderforlife
10:49 <quail> hey BadBarbarian
10:49 <CoderForLife> I'll be putting together a flowchart (from a business process perspective) today and tomorrow
10:49 <CoderForLife> re-hi BadBarbarian
10:49 <BadBarbarian> my quad it now working great
10:49 <quail> nice
10:49 <quail> BadBarbarian: sweet :-)
10:49 <CoderForLife> I saw the lights flicker when you turned it on
10:50 <BadBarbarian> 4 wu's every 2 hrs
10:50 <quail> BadBarbarian: damn that is good :-)
10:51 <CoderForLife> They need to bring another generator online at Glen Canyon to handle your quad
10:51 <CoderForLife> of course, assuming Lake Powell has any water in it at all
10:51 <quail> heeh
10:52 * CoderForLife wants a dual quad
10:52 <quail> it going to be a hot dry summer here again this year
10:52 * CoderForLife was drooling on the local MicroCenter BYOC ad this morning
10:53 <BadBarbarian> i have got to get a new cpu fan
10:53 <quail> BadBarbarian: look at water cooling
10:53 <BadBarbarian> boinc is running and the temp is 60c
10:54 <CoderForLife> water is a precious commodity out BB's way
10:54 <BadBarbarian> nope no water
10:54 <quail> BadBarbarian: well you not using water I should say coolent
10:55 <BadBarbarian> lol to drill a well here you have to use an oilrig the deoth is 2000 meters to good water
10:55 <CoderForLife> water is mostly trucked in, isn't it BB?
10:55 <BadBarbarian> yes
10:55 <quail> well why haven't you done it already :-P
10:55 <CoderForLife> that what I remembered
10:56 <BadBarbarian> .05 cents per gallon and a fuel surcharge
10:56 <quail> BadBarbarian: where do you live?
10:56 <CoderForLife> I remember pulling into a McDonald's south of the Grand Canyon, and my jaw dropped at the prices
10:56 <BadBarbarian> northern arizona near the grand canyon
10:56 <PriitM> CPU Temp: +53.5°C BOINC and starcraft running on 4200+
10:57 <quail> BadBarbarian: wow
10:57 <BadBarbarian> yep the most expsive mac in north america
10:57 <CoderForLife> what's the name of the town, south of the rim, that has the IMAX theatre?
10:57 <BadBarbarian> tusian
10:57 <BadBarbarian> tucian
10:58 <CoderForLife> hmm doesn't ring a bell, but that's where the McDonald's was
10:58 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023
10:58 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 44°F / 7°C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 55 on the North Rim to around 78 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 26 on the North Rim to around 40 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Sunday - Partly cloudy. Highs around (1 more message)
10:58 <BadBarbarian> &more
10:58 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 56 on the North Rim to around 80 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;
10:59 <CoderForLife> why it is warmer along the river?
10:59 <BadBarbarian> 55 at the top and 80 at the bottom lol
10:59 <CoderForLife> oh, at the botton of the Canyon
10:59 <BadBarbarian> lol its down 1 mile
10:59 <CoderForLife> lack of wind? rocks re-radiating? clsoer to magma? =)
11:00 <CoderForLife> closer*
11:00 <BadBarbarian> lower elevition
11:00 <CoderForLife> I guess I'm not used to thinking about elevations like that
11:01 <CoderForLife> I think of it getting colder as you go up mountains
11:01 <BadBarbarian> yep less air too
11:01 <CoderForLife> but not getting warmer as you go down "below ground"
11:02 <CoderForLife> us midwest folks are so limited in our thinking
11:02 <BadBarbarian> depends on how deep you go lol
11:02 <CoderForLife> I like to go out west to stretch my thinking
11:03 <quail> BadBarbarian: wow I just on google eath and there not alot out there were you are
11:03 <CoderForLife> Bryce, Zion, Yellowstone, Tetons, Glacier, etc
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11:03 <BadBarbarian> next time you come around we will have a beer
11:03 <CoderForLife> lol sure
11:04 <CoderForLife> I have gotten to Tucson more than other places
11:04 <BadBarbarian> williams is a great old western town
11:04 <CoderForLife> Been out to Kitt Peak a few times
11:04 <quail> BadBarbarian: make sure you have coopers pale ale on tap please
11:04 <CoderForLife> Sonoran Desert Museum
11:04 <CoderForLife> The Boneyard
11:05 <BadBarbarian> we have better maybe they just opened a brewery in williams
11:05 <CoderForLife> Lost an A/C unit on my van between Phoenix and Tucson one time
11:06 <CoderForLife> it was about 107F that day
11:06 <BadBarbarian> lol murphy law
11:06 <CoderForLife> Van was loaded with camping gear
11:07 <CoderForLife> Pulled directly into a Chrysler dealer in Tucson on Speedway Blvd, and told them to fix it, and here's the plastic card to cover it
11:07 <CoderForLife> we were a sweaty mess
11:08 <quail> :-(
11:08 <BadBarbarian> even with all windows down its still hot
11:08 <CoderForLife> yep "but it's a dry heat"
11:08 <CoderForLife> we were anything but dry =)
11:08 <BadBarbarian> its like the nulibore where you live quail
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11:09 <quail> BadBarbarian: no
11:09 <quail> but it gets bad enough
11:10 <BadBarbarian> lol i have been to alice springs
11:14 <BadBarbarian> bbl have a great day
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11:14 <quail> I grew up not far from here >>> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=olary&sll=-35.198169,138.472992&sspn=0.007961,0.020084&ie=UTF8&ll=-32.275087,140.330944&spn=0.065893,0.160675&t=h&z=13&om=1
11:16 <CoderForLife> Google doesn't get very detailed, does it?
11:17 <CoderForLife> brb
11:17 <quail> no, k
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11:39 * CoderForLife wanders back
11:41 <CoderForLife> PovAddict http://my.telegraph.co.uk/reasonmclucus/november_2007/al_gore_wrong_again.htm
11:42 <quail> wb CoderForLife
11:44 <CoderForLife> thx
11:48 <PovAddict> looooool what an idiot: "Ralph, despite what you hear from the liberal media the majority Americans could not care less what anyone else in the world thinks of us. Our country is superior to your's in every way possible."
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12:33 <PriitM> PovAddict: that person, who wrote that letter is an supreme dumbass.
12:33 <CoderForLife> lunchtime
12:33 <CoderForLife> bbiab
12:34 <Tank_Master> lunch?
12:34 <Tank_Master> I KUST got up...
12:34 <Tank_Master> JUST*
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13:00 <CoderForLife> Cussing because you just got up?
13:00 <CoderForLife> bonjour benje
13:00 <benje> hello CoderForLife
13:00 <benje> how do you do ?
13:01 <CoderForLife> Je suis pas mal, et vous?
13:01 <benje> ca vas bien aussi ;)
13:01 <CoderForLife> manifique )
13:02 <benje> magnifique
13:02 <benje> ;)
13:02 <CoderForLife> mon francais est mal =)
13:02 <benje> CoderForLife, i am lazy
13:03 <Tank_Master> your not lazy
13:03 <benje> many work on server
13:03 <Tank_Master> he is a member of my team...
13:03 <benje> fatiguÃ© ?
13:03 <benje> Tank_Master, me ?
13:03 <benje> or CoderForLife ? Tank_Master
13:03 <Tank_Master> [2007:11:17:10:01:14] <benje> CoderForLife, i am lazy
13:04 <Tank_Master> this guy is lazy ;)
13:04 <CoderForLife> Only the laziest, smartest people come to #boinc to get questions answered, rather than waste time trying to learn it on their own =)
13:04 <benje> sorie tired
13:04 <benje> sorry
13:05 <benje> :)
13:05 <Tank_Master> :P
13:06 <benje> oki that a member lazy
13:06 <benje> in french =indolent
13:06 <benje> no i am a tired benje :)
13:07 <benje> i havn't this stats o_0
13:07 <benje> his
13:07 <Tank_Master> :)
13:07 <Tank_Master> not meny do
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13:15 * CoderForLife places his order for TurboTax for 2007
13:46 * CoderForLife notes that any discussion on taxes has a chilling effect on #boinc
13:56 <Tank_Master> yoyo
13:56 <Tank_Master> you want to give me a short discription for yoyo to put on that page of ours?
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14:09 <yoyo[RKN]> hi
14:10 <Tank_Master> yo
14:10 <Tank_Master> I saw your post in SETI.USA
14:10 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)
14:10 <Tank_Master> Im the one who is working on up[dateing the info for that page
14:10 <yoyo[RKN]> The project integrates the Distributed.net Client using the Boinc Wrapper technology. yoyo@home runs the OGR-25 project to find an optimal Golumb ruler of the length 25.
14:11 <Tank_Master> that it?
14:11 <yoyo[RKN]> yes
14:11 <Tank_Master> you can do more if you want
14:11 <Tank_Master> more discription
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14:12 <yoyo[RKN]> you should link OGR to wikipedia
14:12 <Tank_Master> I can put in some links to the other stuff you are talking about if you want
14:12 <Tank_Master> give the links and ill add them
14:12 <Romulus> Title: Golomb ruler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
14:13 <Romulus> Title: distributed.net: Node Zero (at distributed.net)
14:14 <yoyo[RKN]> you see I browse your forum sometimes
14:14 <Tank_Master> im working on the other missing project to, I hope to get something by the end of the day
14:14 <Tank_Master> I do see you listed in the logged in list from time tot ime
14:16 <yoyo[RKN]> as I started yoyo@home I put the links to the early joind teams to my watchlist. Everey evenig (german time) I walk through this list.
14:18 <CoderForLife> bbl
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14:33 <Tank_Master> im defently an early adoptor of projects ;)
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15:15 <MTughan> Hello mweltin.
15:16 <MTughan> I may have some trouble compiling an X86_64 app for TSP on my system. Seems one of the libraries doesn't have 64-bit info. Header file, actually.
15:17 <PovAddict> headers are x-platform
15:17 <PovAddict> hmm
15:17 <PovAddict> or should be
15:17 <mweltin> hey guys
15:17 <mweltin> tweaking the work generator a little
15:17 <MTughan> Except when they are machine exceptions.
15:17 <MTughan> #if TARGET_CPU_X86
15:17 <mweltin> it ran as a task but dumped the workunit files in the wrong palce (i.e. I'm doing it WRONG)
15:18 <MTughan> lol
15:18 <mweltin> MTughan: thanks for fixing hte for loop.
15:18 <MTughan> No prob.
15:18 <Tank_Master> mw!
15:18 <mweltin> Tank_Master!
15:18 <Tank_Master> sup?
15:18 <yoyo[RKN]> hi mweltin
15:19 <mweltin> guten tag Yoyo
15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)
15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> Gruezi
15:20 <mweltin> how is everyone today, you all know its Saturday and you should be out doing something righ?
15:20 <MTughan> I was at my robotics thing.
15:20 <yoyo[RKN]> It's dark outide
15:21 <mweltin> nice you do robotics
15:21 <mweltin> just for that I'll release 100 WU.
15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> you must use the dir_hier_path tool to put the wus in the right download directory
15:21 <MTughan> Thanks!
15:21 <mweltin> I like robotics, I started writing a set of core libs for LPC2103 ARM
15:22 <mweltin> my call to dir_hier_path looks in ../paths and my workunits were not being written to ../paths.
15:23 * Tank_Master is getting work!
15:23 <MTughan> No new tasks for me anyway.
15:23 <MTughan> Still got 7 WUs.
15:24 <Tank_Master> just got even more
15:24 <mweltin> well things should be running faster once 2.10 is up and running.
15:25 <Tank_Master> you gotten ahold of crunch3r yet?
15:25 <mweltin> tsp forum is dead
15:25 <mweltin> no I'll email him right now.
15:25 <Tank_Master> sorry, I tossed some tear gass in there
15:25 <MTughan> lol
15:26 <Tank_Master> oh, mwelton
15:26 <Tank_Master> mweltin*
15:27 <MTughan> What client do you use Tank_Master?
15:27 <Tank_Master> Im writing up a short discription for each project to be added to one of our pages we have on our website
15:27 <Tank_Master> windows, windows x64
15:27 <MTughan> Most IRC clients you can type the first few letters of a nick and press Tab to autocomplete it.
15:27 <mweltin> I'm going to start to refer to TSP as The Search Problem.
15:28 <Tank_Master> nope
15:28 <Tank_Master> mIRC
15:28 <PovAddict> mirc can definitely
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15:28 <Tank_Master> ok, good to know
15:28 <mweltin> but that will only be after I get a second app runnig.
15:28 <MTughan> 'lo e
15:28 <Tank_Master> ill make that chaneg now, that ok?
15:28 <E-30> hey how are
15:28 <Tank_Master> so you dont wamt me to change it yet?
15:28 <MTughan> "... you doing?"? Pretty good.
15:29 <E-30> i am fine
15:29 <mweltin> sure
15:29 <mweltin> any move forward is a good one.
15:30 <Tank_Master> sure which ;)
15:30 <Tank_Master> also, then can you provide me a short discription for the project?
15:30 <Tank_Master> like 5 sentences or so
15:31 <Tank_Master> www.setiusa.net/join will give you kinda what I am looking for
15:31 <mweltin> yes, I need to update the homepage with a new description.
15:31 <E-30> cool
15:31 <Tank_Master> did NNSIMU Project
15:31 <mweltin> I'll hit that up now, and then the new assimilator and then its a real live project.
15:31 <Tank_Master> go ofline?
15:32 <Tank_Master> or does it have a new URL?
15:32 <Tank_Master> the onlu I have on my list here isnt working
15:32 <Tank_Master> one*
15:39 <mweltin> PovAddict: for task period should it be '1 hour' or '1 hours'
15:39 <Tank_Master> hour
15:39 <E-30> wow
15:39 <Tank_Master> hours is plural, more than one
15:41 <mweltin> the boinc wiki page only shows examples with plurals so I figured...... well I'm not sure what i figured.
15:45 <yoyo[RKN]> I use hours, mweltin
15:45 <mweltin> ok well I'll see if it works in less than a hour.
15:45 <E-30> cool
15:47 <yoyo[RKN]> do you got my example code, mweltin?
15:47 <mweltin> que?
15:48 <mweltin> I don't have any of your code, did you send it via a private message?
15:48 <yoyo[RKN]> yes
15:48 <yoyo[RKN]> for creating work if less than something is available for sending
15:48 <mweltin> yes I did
15:48 <mweltin> thanks
15:49 <E-30> cool so how are thing s gong here then
15:49 <mweltin> I do the same thing, but divid the results by 5 because my ntarget is 5
15:49 <mweltin> so that is an approx of how many WU are out.
15:49 <yoyo[RKN]> ok, my nresults is 1
15:49 * CoderForLife finishes reading health insurance plan changes for next year - it gives him a migraine headache that requires hospitalization
15:50 <MTughan> Hehe...
15:50 <E-30> lol
15:50 * E-30 whants coffee
15:50 <mweltin> OMG www.sju.edu/~sforman this MoFo has a tsp generator
15:51 <mweltin> I wish I had found this two months ago.
15:51 <E-30> wow
15:52 * CoderForLife wonders why anything as complicated as health insurance is called a "benefit"
15:53 <E-30> whos know
15:53 <E-30> well time to clean out the watter cooling system now again
15:54 <E-30> no fun there
15:54 <E-30> i will be back sometime tonight
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16:14 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
16:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 55.9°F / 13.3°C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy this evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming north after midnight.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday Night - Partly (1 more message)
16:18 <MTughan> Darn... mweltin: x86_64 for OS X will probably have to wait until I update to Leopard.
16:18 <mweltin> no worries
16:18 <mweltin> thank MTughan
16:26 <PovAddict> MTughan!
16:26 <MTughan> ?
16:26 <PovAddict> you linked expat dynamically
16:26 <MTughan> Sh*t...
16:26 <MTughan> Okay, back to the apps.
16:27 <MTughan> mweltin: Want the updated apps?
16:27 <MTughan> Wait, one sec...
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16:28 <MTughan> Damn... I need to find where I have my builds of libexpat.
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16:29 <mweltin> MTughan: don't stress out about it, we can wait for your leopard or tabby or whatever they call it now.
16:30 <MTughan> No, current apps are messed.
16:30 <PovAddict> mweltin: deprecate current mac apps, they're all crashing if user doesn't have expat
16:30 <mweltin> current project is messed, I still don't have the assmilator done.
16:30 <mweltin> ok
16:31 <PovAddict> better have mac users not getting work than mac users crashing all work
16:31 <mweltin> true enough, its depricated now.
16:31 <MTughan> Damn... Getting undefined symbols although the archives are there.
16:32 <MTughan> What? Same error for PPC...
16:32 <MTughan> That shouldn't be, PPC has its own build.
16:34 <MTughan> Does TSP need expat?
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16:35 <mweltin> yes
16:36 <mweltin> that is what I use to parse the workunit_state file and the inital workunit "in" file.
16:36 <MTughan> Okay...
16:36 <MTughan> My build seems to have been corrupted.
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16:42 <MTughan> Argh... libexpat won't work!
16:43 <MTughan> Always 7 undefined symbols.
16:43 <PovAddict> how did you manage it on previous versions?
16:43 <MTughan> That's what I'm trying to figure out.
16:44 <mweltin> if you think it will help paste you build line again.
16:44 <MTughan> No, it should work.
16:45 <mweltin> Tank_Master: you still around
16:46 <MTughan> Argh... _XML_ErrorString, _XML_GetCurrentLineNumber, _XML_GetErrorCode, _XML_Parse, _XML_ParserCreate, _XML_SetCharacterDataHandler, _XML_SetElementHandler
16:46 <MTughan> Those are the missing symbols.
16:46 <MTughan> The dynamic libraries link fine.
16:46 <mweltin> thats expat alright.
16:47 <mweltin> did you build expat with static libs?
16:47 <MTughan> Yep.
16:47 <MTughan> I'm gonna rebuild, separate Intel and PPC builds, static only.
16:51 <mweltin> he MTughan thanks.
16:52 <mweltin> hey*
16:52 <MTughan> Damn... Still the same error.
16:53 <mweltin> btw genWork is runnning like a charm
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16:53 <mweltin> i never take my own advice but, MTughan take a break solution will come when you are not thinking about it.
16:53 <MTughan> I wish.
16:53 <mweltin> LOL
16:54 <mweltin> you sound like me.
17:00 <PovAddict> damn crunch3r not here...
17:00 <PovAddict> I need help optimizing a build
17:01 <mweltin> PovAddict: I took your advice and added the -O2 and striped the program when I was done.
17:01 <PovAddict> smaller?
17:02 <mweltin> does the strip help performance or just size?
17:02 <MTughan> Should be both.
17:02 <PovAddict> strip only removes the debugging symbols and stuff
17:02 <PovAddict> making it smaller
17:02 <MTughan> Hold on, getting hungry.
17:02 <PovAddict> in practice it may make it *slightly* faster, since the smaller it is, the better it fits on the CPU cache
17:03 <PovAddict> but that's probably a negligible speedup
17:06 <Tank_Master> ib
17:06 <mweltin> someone gave me a newcastle last night, it was the single best taste experience in the last 9 months.
17:08 <Tank_Master> :)
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17:10 <E-30> ok i am back now
17:10 <mweltin> that was fast E-30
17:10 <Tank_Master> what took so long?
17:11 <E-30> had to get the hose unkenk
17:12 <Tank_Master> :P
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17:12 * PovAddict points blaming finger at MTughan
17:12 <zombie67> hi mweltin
17:12 <Tank_Master> zombie!
17:12 <zombie67> I assume everyone already knows?
17:12 <zombie67> hi
17:13 <mweltin> hey zom
17:13 <PovAddict> I saw your post and told people here
17:13 <E-30> it sucked trying to get it were it will be happy
17:13 <zombie67> cool
17:13 <E-30> i tighten ti too much so it kink
17:13 <mweltin> told them what?
17:13 <E-30> it
17:13 <PovAddict> mweltin: mac app crashing
17:14 <E-30> mot like my cpu temp went up to 110 C
17:14 <PovAddict> holy crapz0r
17:14 <mweltin> ouch
17:14 <E-30> yea it back down to 50 c now
17:14 <PovAddict> I think my mingw supports 64-bit
17:14 <PovAddict> gotta try this out
17:15 <PovAddict> aww nope
17:15 <PovAddict> "sorry, unimplemented: 64-bit mode not compiled in"
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17:16 <Tank_Master> ill bbl
17:17 <zombie67> c ya
17:18 <E-30> c you latter
17:18 <zombie67> today ends the 2 month waiting period for the global team founder....FINALLY
17:20 <zombie67> next, I get to see of the transfer function actuall works for global teams
17:22 <zombie67> I got the last 3 season attribution tasks...
17:22 <mweltin> what is this global team thing?
17:23 <zombie67> pov can explain it better than I can
17:23 <PovAddict> but I'd rather not
17:24 <zombie67> teams are created at the boinc site. then, when new projects are created, they automatically import the teams and founders
17:24 <zombie67> lot of problems with how it was implemented
17:25 <mweltin> is that what was on the project list about sending personal info?
17:26 * CoderForLife lingers in the shadows, watching the activities in the room
17:26 <zombie67> yeah. also, it is not encrypted beyond rot13
17:26 <zombie67> also, rather than having each team set up their defaults, they just copied all the teams in from seti@home
17:26 <PovAddict> all?
17:27 <zombie67> all, most, top #, whatever
17:27 <zombie67> problem is that not all those team founders at SETI still exist any more.
17:27 <zombie67> like with my team
17:28 <zombie67> so I submitted a transfer request two months ago to take over founder of the global default team.
17:28 <zombie67> but during that time, the crap founder infor has been replicated at most of the new projects
17:29 <zombie67> which means more transfer requests, and more waiting to fix
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17:32 <zombie67> yea! it looks like the validation problem at tsp is fixed
17:32 <mweltin> sounds like a headach
17:32 <CoderForLife> 0|[|[ 4 2 |\||73
17:32 <zombie67> yeah, DA created a real mess by just shooting from the hip.
17:32 <CoderForLife> cya folks to-mah-rah
17:33 <mweltin> later CFL
17:33 <PovAddict> CFL wtf was that
17:34 <mweltin> CoderForLife
17:34 <zombie67> your password
17:34 <zombie67> gotta run
17:34 <zombie67> bbl
17:34 <mweltin> bye
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17:34 <PovAddict> I don't get 0|[|[
17:34 <CoderForLife> OFF
17:34 <mweltin> same here didn't get that.
17:34 <PovAddict> o_o
17:35 <CoderForLife> f=|[
17:35 <PovAddict> the lower horizontal line is way too low
17:35 <CoderForLife> as they say - not my problem =)
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17:36 <CoderForLife> buh-bye
17:36 <mweltin> Tank_Master:
17:36 <mweltin> ?
17:37 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
17:40 <Tank_Master> ok
17:40 <Tank_Master> sorry, was out buying icecream ;)
17:40 <Tank_Master> it was on sale, 2 for $6
17:42 <Tank_Master> cities is spelled wrong
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17:43 <mweltin> I'll hit it up with the spell checker.
17:43 <yoyo_RKN> re
17:43 <Tank_Master> found 2 grammer issues, but spellchecker will get those to
17:43 <Tank_Master> also, in the second to last secentince in the last paragraph
17:44 <yoyo_RKN> where is the link to the global teams?
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17:44 <Tank_Master> should be "The Search Problem (TSP) is..."
17:44 <E-30> thats better now
17:44 <E-30> lol
17:46 <Tank_Master> wb E
17:46 <E-30> thx
17:47 <E-30> well now my rac in qmc is down becuse of computer trubble
17:47 <Tank_Master> yoyo, I think this is the one they are talking about:
17:47 <Romulus> Title: BOINC-wide teams (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
17:48 <Tank_Master> sorry to hear that, E
17:48 <PovAddict> wow a 3h 43m yoyo unit
17:48 <E-30> thats ok i am still over 4000 rac total
17:48 * PovAddict forces report
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17:48 <Tank_Master> wb BB
17:48 <E-30> bue i will be ile 800 more if my box us running full time
17:48 <BadBarbarian> thanx
17:49 * PovAddict looks at yoyo[RKN] and his clone yoyo_RKN
17:49 <E-30> lol
17:49 <Tank_Master> its his alter ego, pov
17:49 <E-30> it like E-30 and E-30219
17:49 <E-30> my two i have
17:49 <Tank_Master> :)
17:49 <yoyo_RKN> one will disconnect soon
17:49 <Tank_Master> took mine almost 20 min to time out once
17:49 <E-30> and next mouth i will be under e-30219
17:49 <PovAddict> how small is 3h 43m yoyo_RKN?
17:50 <yoyo_RKN> it is a fast WU
17:50 <E-30> yea it was
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17:52 <Tank_Master> there ya go!
17:52 <yoyo_RKN> what about FFE? We will catch you http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_bo_compare_credits_teams_40;808.gif
17:52 <PovAddict> :O
17:53 * Tank_Master wonders which project this is for
17:54 * Tank_Master thinks to amount is to low to be a total combined
17:54 <yoyo_RKN> hehe
17:54 <Tank_Master> :)
17:57 <yoyo_RKN> Tank_Master : http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_yoyo_compare_credits_teams_1;64.gif
17:57 <mweltin> ls
17:57 <PovAddict> ...
17:58 <PovAddict> you_are_typing_on_the_wrong_window.txt
17:58 <PovAddict> $
17:58 <mweltin> maybe
18:00 <E-30> lol
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18:04 <zombie67> what about server-side abortions?
18:04 <PovAddict> what about them
18:04 <zombie67> 3 of the 5 are no longer needed
18:04 <zombie67> it would be good to abort any that have not yet started crunching
18:06 <zombie67> also, it looks like credit is awareded based on the lesser of the two. It would be better, IMO, to take the average of the two.
18:06 <PovAddict> how do you know it was the lesser?
18:06 <PovAddict> maybe it granted 14.499
18:06 <zombie67> one claimed 15, one claimed 14. 14 was awarded
18:06 <mweltin> I'm trying to stay away from the credit granting.
18:06 <zombie67> true, hard to tell now
18:06 <PovAddict> I was just arguing it could be rounding
18:07 <PovAddict> but yes it awarded the lowest: 13.8958812408018
18:07 <zombie67> mweltin, not asking you to do make judjements
18:07 <mweltin> oh
18:07 <zombie67> just adjust the methodology
18:07 <PovAddict> mweltin: yeah nobody asked your opinion!
18:07 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: there is keyboard/mouse input (same as a whole, if i copy that from the ops
18:07 <PovAddict> j/k
18:07 <zombie67> I think the default is lesser
18:08 <zombie67> most projects that don't use fixed credits use the average of the two
18:09 <zombie67> of course it is up to you. but using the lesser of the two will drive away some crunchers.
18:09 <zombie67> back to server side abortions....
18:09 <mweltin> I must say, using the stderr for the output helps checking for errors.
18:10 <zombie67> seti uses them very sucessfully
18:10 <zombie67> avoids waste of time and energy
18:10 <mweltin> if I ever change it I'll used fixed.
18:10 <zombie67> fair enough
18:10 <mweltin> at least with these workunits
18:10 <mweltin> well on second thought
18:11 <PovAddict> zombie67: the default is the median, I think...
18:11 <mweltin> if you found several successive shorter paths it would take a lot more computation than one that is full of just crap paths.
18:11 <mweltin> so fixed is not a good idea.
18:11 <PovAddict> I thought all WUs took the same time?
18:12 <zombie67> if you knew what the average over-all would be, you could still make fixed work.
18:12 <mweltin> mmmmmmmm
18:12 <mweltin> yes
18:12 <mweltin> you are right
18:12 <zombie67> I am happy either way
18:12 <mweltin> all work units should take the same amount of time, htey still have to evaluate every path regardless of its fitness.
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18:12 <mweltin> so fixed will work well.
18:13 <mweltin> but then picking the fixed number has its own problems.
18:13 <zombie67> I think the bigger issue is the initial replication of 5, with a quorum of 2. Either IR should be dropped to 2, or automated server-side abortions should be implemented. All IMO, of course.
18:14 <mweltin> if people don't want to crunch because I use the default then I guess that is the way it is.
18:15 <mweltin> what are server side abortions? is that using the trigger messages?
18:15 <PovAddict> the server tells the client "if you haven't started workunit X yet, abort it, it's not useful anyway"
18:15 <mweltin> I should raise the min quorum
18:15 <zombie67> using that WU as an example, you have three machines crunching for ~1 hr. for no benefit to anyone. You could be using that for needed work, or it could be going to other projects if you are temporarily out of work.
18:15 <E-30> yea
18:16 <zombie67> does the science need a higher min quorum?
18:16 <mweltin> ok I like that
18:16 <mweltin> no
18:16 <zombie67> if not, again it is just burning energy and time unnecessarily.
18:16 <mweltin> so I doubt the the boinc wiki calls it server side abortions, or does it?
18:17 <mweltin> I need to figure out how to get that going.
18:17 <mweltin> first priority is the assimilator, then this.
18:17 <zombie67> fure thing. glad to hear!
18:18 <zombie67> sure
18:18 <PovAddict> did you disable the old one?
18:18 <PovAddict> server-side aborts are <send_result_abort>1</send_result_abort> on config.xml, btw
18:18 <zombie67> I believer there are two times
18:19 <mweltin> thats all you have to do?!
18:19 <zombie67> 1) forces the abortion regardless of crunch state. Not nice for people that are already 75% into it.
18:19 <zombie67> 2) forces abortion of all units, only if they have not yet started to crunch
18:20 <PovAddict> zombie67: that happens automatically... only if the workunit doesn't exist on the DB at all, it aborts regardless of crunch state
18:20 <zombie67> #1 is used primarily for bad WUs
18:21 <zombie67> #2 is used for the situation here, where IR > min quorum, to save resources
18:21 <mweltin> that was easy
18:21 <PovAddict> "If the client is processing a result for a WU that has been cancelled or is not in the DB (i.e. there's no chance of getting credit) send <result_abort>. If client is processing a result for a WU that has been assimilated or is overdue (i.e. there's a chance of not getting credit) send <result_abort_if_not_started>."
18:22 <mweltin> ok now I'm confused again, is <result_abort_if_not_started> another direcitve or is that send_result_abort =2 ?
18:23 <PovAddict> no that's internal server->client messages you don't have to care about
18:23 <mweltin> ok, its official then TSP send_result_abort = 2.
18:23 <mweltin> I'll restart the server again.
18:23 <zombie67> sweet!!
18:23 <mweltin> oh and that reminds me I'm going to drop the daily quota back down to 10
18:24 <PovAddict> why
18:24 <zombie67> fair
18:24 <PovAddict> WHY
18:24 <zombie67> limited work?
18:24 <mweltin> a daily quota of 100 doesn't make sense
18:24 <mweltin> they take an hour
18:24 <mweltin> and the delay bound is 24 hours
18:24 <PovAddict> the only reason for the quota to even exist is to avoid somebody who is doing one workunit a second because they're all crashing
18:25 <zombie67> if the work is available, my 8 core can do 24x8 = 192/day
18:25 <mweltin> they was why the limit got raised, so we could crunch through all the bad workunits.
18:25 <mweltin> I did not think of that.
18:25 <zombie67> I think pov is asking, why limit it at all?
18:25 <mweltin> I'm so 1.3GHz centric some times.
18:26 <mweltin> ok
18:26 <zombie67> I could understand a limit if the amount of work is < the capacity of crunchers.
18:26 <PovAddict> there limit *has* to be there to avoid a single client getting work and crashing it
18:26 <zombie67> helps fair distribution
18:26 <mweltin> so just ditch the <daily_result_quota> altogether.
18:26 <PovAddict> but it doesn't have to be so low
18:26 <PovAddict> try 500 or something
18:26 <mweltin> I do have the one_result_per_user_per_wu
18:27 <zombie67> another option could be to limit the # ot results on a machine at any given time.
18:27 <mweltin> so that keeps from one person getting all the work.
18:27 <PovAddict> mweltin: yep, he can only get 1/5th of all the server's work :P
18:27 <PovAddict> THAT'S STILL A F'ING LOT
18:27 <zombie67> I think a minimum number for that method should be 24 (3 results/core).
18:28 <PovAddict> daily quota *is* needed, but set it higher than anybody's speed
18:28 <PovAddict> zombie67: or hack the code to make the limit per-core as I originally made it >.>
18:28 <mweltin> ok so a 200 daily quota should be good then.
18:28 <zombie67> heh
18:28 <PovAddict> bbl, time to try doing something productive
18:28 <zombie67> let me do some math
18:28 <PovAddict> mweltin: go work on the assimilator
18:28 <zombie67> my 8-way XP machine is 2700 sec.
18:28 <mweltin> but PovAddict this is productive.
18:29 <zombie67> that works out to 32 results per core per day. or 256
18:29 <zombie67> my mac 8-way is even faster. probably 300/day
18:29 <zombie67> use whatever number you like
18:29 <zombie67> just providing some data
18:30 <mweltin> ok I'll go with 200 for now
18:30 <zombie67> I need to get going too. Lots of great progress mweltin! you are going to have a very sucessful project, I think.
18:31 <zombie67> one last question: when do you estimate mac apps will be available again?
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18:32 <mweltin> after MTughan gets something to eat, and takes a nap.
18:32 <PovAddict> zombie67: yeah the mac apps aren't mweltin's problem, blame MTughan
18:33 <zombie67> cool. I'll take a look again tomorrow.
18:33 <zombie67> heh
18:33 <zombie67> night all!
18:33 <PovAddict> mweltin: I edited the ProjectOptions page, hope it's clearer now
18:33 <PovAddict> about server-side abort setting
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18:37 <mweltin> PovAddict: thats better, but it says nothing about the values to set it to.
18:37 <PovAddict> 0 or 1
18:37 <mweltin> so my 2 is meaningless
18:37 <PovAddict> the values are shown on the summary on the top of the page
18:37 <mweltin> sweet
18:37 <mweltin> got it
18:38 <mweltin> I went with 200 as a daily quota
18:38 <mweltin> now back to the assimilator
18:38 <Romulus> Title: SandBox - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
18:40 <mweltin> looks the same
18:41 <PovAddict> does it...
18:41 <mweltin> but with a much better index
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18:48 <mweltin> looks good
18:48 <mweltin> my GS just flipped out on me
18:48 <mweltin> I have to do some damage control
18:48 <mweltin> bbl
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19:07 <E-30> welll then time for me to go to bed now
19:07 <E-30> &nn
19:07 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
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19:08 <Tank_Master> bed?
19:08 <Tank_Master> at 4pm?
19:08 <Tank_Master> :P
19:09 <PovAddict> TIMEZONES
19:09 <Tank_Master> timewhat?
19:09 <Tank_Master> that like the twilitezones?
19:23 <Tank_Master> :)
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19:31 <BadBarbarian> lol
19:44 <MTughan> Well, that was fun... What'd I miss?
19:44 <PovAddict> well, that you didn't make the mac apps yet :P
19:44 <MTughan> lol
19:44 <PovAddict> but you missed more interesting stuff on the other channel
19:44 <MTughan> Damn... IMPFarm forums are in German again.
19:45 <Tank_Master> NNOOO!!!!!
19:45 <PovAddict> whut
19:45 <Tank_Master> lol
19:46 <Tank_Master> us americans cant read foreigneese
19:46 <MTughan> I'm Canadian.
19:46 <Tank_Master> ahh
19:46 <Tank_Master> well, your close enough ;)
19:46 <Tank_Master> just french and english
19:46 <MTughan> Meh. Still not American.
19:47 <Tank_Master> north american...
19:47 <MTughan> A continent is a very large piece of land.
19:47 <Tank_Master> but that includes mexico, so we wont og there
19:47 <PovAddict> rant: AMERICA IS A COUNTRY
19:47 <MTughan> Consider Europe.
19:47 <Tank_Master> yes, yes it is
19:47 <Tank_Master> North Americe is a contnent
19:48 <Tank_Master> @#%$en keyboard
19:48 <PovAddict> USA calls itself america because they keep thinking they're the center of the world
19:48 <PovAddict> 'sif there weren't other countries in america
19:48 <Tank_Master> we are, all points on a sphere are the center in relatinship to all other points
19:48 <MTughan> You're referring to North, Central, and South America at this point, right?
19:54 <Tank_Master> I was
19:54 <MTughan> Talking about Pov.
19:54 <Tank_Master> though so ;)
19:54 <Tank_Master> but the silence was deffening
19:54 <MTughan> lol
19:54 <MTughan> And that's "deafening".
19:55 <Tank_Master> same diff
19:55 <MTughan> Oops... Killed the last of the TSP WUs by moving the dynamic library of expat... :P
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19:59 <MTughan> Any Mac people here? Notice zombie's not here.
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20:12 <MTughan> &ping
20:12 <Romulus> pong
20:14 <MTughan> Damn it! Why are there symbols undefined?!
20:21 <MTughan> PovAddict: Would it work if I compiled libexpat.a right in, rather than using -lexpat?
20:25 <MTughan> Gah... I have the feeling that it's still trying to find the f***ing dynamic libraries.
20:26 <MTughan> BUT THEY AREN'T THERE!!!!
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20:31 <PovAddict> <--
20:31 <Romulus> wich has most cable as 6 of 8 tasks)
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20:37 <MTughan> PovAddict: Any idea? I'm completely stumped here.
20:38 <PovAddict> did you compile expat yourself?
20:38 <MTughan> Yep.
20:38 <PovAddict> I think your best bet is building it yourself with a non-default prefix and forcing the tsp makefile to get it from there
20:38 <MTughan> That's what I did.
20:39 <MTughan> Problem is I don't know if which libexpat it's using.
20:39 <PovAddict> try pointing it to the .a directly
20:39 <MTughan> K...
20:40 <MTughan> Still the same.
20:42 <MTughan> Do you know if libexpat could be worked out?
20:42 <PovAddict> are you sure that .a is static?
20:42 <MTughan> How can I tell?
20:43 <PovAddict> if it's big?
20:43 <MTughan> 408KB enough?
20:43 <MTughan> 340KB for PPC.
20:43 <PovAddict> pastebin the linker errors
20:44 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 778936 (at www.pastebin.ca)
20:45 <MTughan> Actually, I can remove ./src/lib. That's not used anymore.
20:49 <MTughan> Hey, I never thought of this... Are header files tied to libraries? Because if I'm using the wrong header file for a library...
20:49 <PovAddict> well they are... somewhat
20:49 <MTughan> In what functions are defined?
20:49 <PovAddict> but it would only matter if you're using different versions
20:50 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't think I am... But good to just check.
20:50 <MTughan> What header files are associated with expat? I have expat.h and expat_external.h right now.
20:51 <PovAddict> I never used expat, I consider push event XML parsers to be masochism
20:51 <MTughan> All right, one sec...
20:51 <MTughan> The only header file found in the expat build folder is expat_external.h...
20:52 <MTughan> So where did expat.h come from then, I wonder?
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20:52 <PovAddict> weird because that's the one included from tsp probably
20:52 <MTughan> Wait, that's expat-config.h...
20:52 <MTughan> Okay, expat.h and expat_external.h from /usr/local/include, expat-config.h from expat build.
20:54 <MTughan> Nuts... Same result.
20:54 <MTughan> I did have file not found errors with expat.h though, so I know it was being referenced.
20:54 <MTughan> Those are fixed.
20:58 <MTughan> Any other ideas?
21:10 <Tank_Master> make it more gooder
21:10 <MTughan> You want to try and fix it?
21:11 <Tank_Master> LOL
21:11 <Tank_Master> you want a working app?
21:11 <MTughan> Yes.
21:11 <Tank_Master> then you dont want me to try
21:11 <Tank_Master> ;)
21:12 <MTughan> Good. Then I don't want your suggestions.
21:13 * Tank_Master goes into the corner and sulks
21:14 <Tank_Master> it was an idea...
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21:23 <Tank_Master> im outa here, pizza is done ;)
21:28 <PovAddict> ooo pizza
21:31 <PovAddict> &ping
21:31 <Romulus> pong
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21:52 <mweltin> bb soon
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23:03 <Bads_Quad> evening all
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23:10 <mweltin> crunch3r just hooked me up with the suite of apps
23:10 <mweltin> once I get the mac apps I'm in business.
23:14 <Bads_Quad> evening pov & Mw
23:14 <mweltin> hey HEY
23:14 <Romulus> lowers his voice and his wife "The Fat Frutas Lady" is in rosetta@home, maybe it even rained a bit of lightning...
23:15 <Bads_Quad> lol romies on a roll
23:19 <mweltin> PovAddict: you feel like doing the mirror thing?
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