IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2007-11-17

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05:14 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

05:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 38.2F / 3.4C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming north after midnight.; Sunday - Partly sunny. (1 more message)

05:15 <CoderForLife> &more

05:15 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Highs in the upper 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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06:20 <freelarry> &weather 98366

06:20 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 41F / 5C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows 40 to 45. South wind around 10 mph.; Saturday - Rain developing. Highs in the upper 40s to mid 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Showers in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a (1 more message)

06:21 <freelarry> &more

06:21 <Romulus> freelarry: chance of showers. Lows near 40. West wind 10 to 15 mph.;

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06:33 <CoderForLife> morning freelarry

06:34 <Romulus> big slug of wet coming up with str2intVec...

06:34 * CoderForLife finishes writing checks to pay the bills

06:35 <CoderForLife> bbiab

07:06 <CoderForLife> checks wriiten - grocery list ready - time to do the Saturday errands - bbl

07:25 <MTughan> All right, am off to my competition. Bye everyone!

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09:09 <Bads_Quad> morning

09:44 <desti>

09:44 <Romulus> Title: The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth: Where in the World Image Quiz (at

09:44 <CoderForLife> back from store

09:44 <CoderForLife> morning Bads_Quad and BadBarbarian

09:44 <CoderForLife> brb

09:59 <BadBarbarian> morning

09:59 <BadBarbarian> was making coffee

10:01 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

10:01 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 32.5F / 0.3C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 23.71in / 802.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs 62 to 68. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 23 to 33. Light winds.; Sunday - Partly cloudy. Highs 63 to 69. Light winds.;

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10:27 <CoderForLife> back

10:27 <CoderForLife> I guess "brb" is a relative term

10:27 <quail> g'evening all, how are we all?  man my noddle is about to explode

10:27 <CoderForLife> depends on what relative is asking me to do somthing

10:27 <CoderForLife> hello quail

10:28 <quail> so much work to get a package into the debian / ubuntu repo

10:29 * CoderForLife brandishes his sledge hammer and cutting torch

10:29 <CoderForLife> let me at'em

10:29 <quail> hehe

10:29 <CoderForLife> my sister went home from the hospital last night

10:30 <quail> :-)

10:30 <CoderForLife> I'm not sure that was the best medical strategy

10:30 <quail> oh

10:30 <CoderForLife> but she and the hospital staff were quite done with each other

10:30 <quail> I hope she is going to be ok

10:30 <CoderForLife> time will tell

10:30 <CoderForLife> the medicine is helping, but she is very sick

10:30 <quail> k

10:31 <quail> what is wrong with her?

10:35 <CoderForLife> she is very overweight, had some kind of massive infection in August, refused to go to doctor (several reasons), her legs are enormous plus swelled, covered with sores and leaking fluid - she finally went to the doctor 2 weeks ago, and said if she didn't get treated she'd lose the legs and quite probably her life

10:35 <CoderForLife> in August over the course of 4 weeks she lost 65 pounds

10:36 <CoderForLife> she's a sick puppy

10:37 <quail> I am sorry to hear that, I hope she gets better soon

10:38 <CoderForLife> yep - we all do - thanks

10:39 <quail> she will just have faith :-)

10:42 <CoderForLife> yep

10:42 <quail> how have you been mate?

10:42 <CoderForLife> busy, as usual

10:42 <quail> me too

10:43 <quail> I have to get my gpg key signed soon

10:43 <CoderForLife> as a result of an executive management meeting on Friday the 9th, I have been rapidly designing a new system so that we can estimate time and cost to build

10:44 <CoderForLife> this new system could potentially handle the flow of hundreds of millions of dollars - no pressure

10:45 <quail> where is the pressure :-P

10:45 <CoderForLife> it's got to be right - first time, every time, not one transaction affected

10:45 <quail> you should beable to handle that in your sleep :-P

10:46 <CoderForLife> I literally have been designing in my sleep

10:46 <quail> oh, got to hate them 1s and 0s dreams

10:47 <CoderForLife> yeah - this was about how to re-submit business to the system, once it had been through the first time and rejected for some reason

10:48 <CoderForLife> as it turns out, the solution is pretty clever

10:48 * CoderForLife pats his dream on the back

10:48 <quail> :-)

10:48 <BadBarbarian> lol morning quail &coderforlife

10:49 <quail> hey BadBarbarian

10:49 <CoderForLife> I'll be putting together a flowchart (from a business process perspective) today and tomorrow

10:49 <CoderForLife> re-hi BadBarbarian

10:49 <BadBarbarian> my quad it now working great

10:49 <quail> nice

10:49 <quail> BadBarbarian: sweet :-)

10:49 <CoderForLife> I saw the lights flicker when you turned it on

10:50 <BadBarbarian> 4 wu's every 2 hrs

10:50 <quail> BadBarbarian: damn that is good :-)

10:51 <CoderForLife> They need to bring another generator online at Glen Canyon to handle your quad

10:51 <CoderForLife> of course, assuming Lake Powell has any water in it at all

10:51 <quail> heeh

10:52 * CoderForLife wants a dual quad

10:52 <quail> it going to be a hot dry summer here again this year

10:52 * CoderForLife was drooling on the local MicroCenter BYOC ad this morning

10:53 <BadBarbarian> i have got to get a new cpu fan

10:53 <quail> BadBarbarian: look at water cooling

10:53 <BadBarbarian> boinc is running and the temp is 60c

10:54 <CoderForLife> water is a precious commodity out BB's way

10:54 <BadBarbarian> nope no water

10:54 <quail> BadBarbarian: well you not using water I should say coolent

10:55 <BadBarbarian> lol to drill a well here you have to use an oilrig the deoth is 2000 meters to good water

10:55 <CoderForLife> water is mostly trucked in, isn't it BB?

10:55 <BadBarbarian> yes

10:55 <quail> well why haven't you done it already :-P

10:55 <CoderForLife> that what I remembered

10:56 <BadBarbarian> .05 cents per gallon and a fuel surcharge

10:56 <quail> BadBarbarian: where do you live?

10:56 <CoderForLife> I remember pulling into a McDonald's south of the Grand Canyon, and my jaw dropped at the prices

10:56 <BadBarbarian> northern arizona near the grand canyon

10:56 <PriitM> CPU Temp:  +53.5C  BOINC and starcraft running on 4200+

10:57 <quail> BadBarbarian: wow

10:57 <BadBarbarian> yep the most expsive mac in north america

10:57 <CoderForLife> what's the name of the town, south of the rim, that has the IMAX theatre?

10:57 <BadBarbarian> tusian

10:57 <BadBarbarian> tucian

10:58 <CoderForLife> hmm doesn't ring a bell, but that's where the McDonald's was

10:58 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

10:58 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 44F / 7C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 55 on the North Rim to around 78 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 26 on the North Rim to around 40 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Sunday - Partly cloudy. Highs around (1 more message)

10:58 <BadBarbarian> &more

10:58 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 56 on the North Rim to around 80 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

10:59 <CoderForLife> why it is warmer along the river?

10:59 <BadBarbarian> 55 at the top and 80 at the bottom lol

10:59 <CoderForLife> oh, at the botton of the Canyon

10:59 <BadBarbarian> lol its down 1 mile

10:59 <CoderForLife> lack of wind?  rocks re-radiating?  clsoer to magma?  =)

11:00 <CoderForLife> closer*

11:00 <BadBarbarian> lower elevition

11:00 <CoderForLife> I guess I'm not used to thinking about elevations like that

11:01 <CoderForLife> I think of it getting colder as you go up mountains

11:01 <BadBarbarian> yep less air too

11:01 <CoderForLife> but not getting warmer as you go down "below ground"

11:02 <CoderForLife> us midwest folks are so limited in our thinking

11:02 <BadBarbarian> depends on how deep you go lol

11:02 <CoderForLife> I like to go out west to stretch my thinking

11:03 <quail> BadBarbarian: wow I just on google eath and there not alot out there were you are

11:03 <CoderForLife> Bryce, Zion, Yellowstone, Tetons, Glacier, etc

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11:03 <BadBarbarian> next time you come around we will have a beer

11:03 <CoderForLife> lol  sure

11:04 <CoderForLife> I have gotten to Tucson more than other places

11:04 <BadBarbarian> williams is a great old western town

11:04 <CoderForLife> Been out to Kitt Peak a few times

11:04 <quail> BadBarbarian: make sure you have coopers pale ale on tap please

11:04 <CoderForLife> Sonoran Desert Museum

11:04 <CoderForLife> The Boneyard

11:05 <BadBarbarian> we have better maybe they just opened a brewery in williams

11:05 <CoderForLife> Lost an A/C unit on my van between Phoenix and Tucson one time

11:06 <CoderForLife> it was about 107F that day

11:06 <BadBarbarian> lol murphy law

11:06 <CoderForLife> Van was loaded with camping gear

11:07 <CoderForLife> Pulled directly into a Chrysler dealer in Tucson on Speedway Blvd, and told them to fix it, and here's the plastic card to cover it

11:07 <CoderForLife> we were a sweaty mess

11:08 <quail> :-(

11:08 <BadBarbarian> even with all windows down its still hot

11:08 <CoderForLife> yep "but it's a dry heat"

11:08 <CoderForLife> we were anything but dry =)

11:08 <BadBarbarian> its like the nulibore where you live quail

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11:09 <quail> BadBarbarian: no

11:09 <quail> but it gets bad enough

11:10 <BadBarbarian> lol i have been to alice springs

11:14 <BadBarbarian> bbl have a great day

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11:14 <quail> I grew up not far from here >>>,138.472992&sspn=0.007961,0.020084&ie=UTF8&ll=-32.275087,140.330944&spn=0.065893,0.160675&t=h&z=13&om=1

11:14 <Romulus> <$a> (at

11:16 <CoderForLife> Google doesn't get very detailed, does it?

11:17 <CoderForLife> brb

11:17 <quail> no, k

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11:41 <CoderForLife> PovAddict

11:41 <Romulus> <$i> (at

11:42 <quail> wb CoderForLife

11:44 <CoderForLife> thx

11:48 <PovAddict> looooool what an idiot: "Ralph, despite what you hear from the liberal media the majority Americans could not care less what anyone else in the world thinks of us. Our country is superior to your's in every way possible."

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12:33 <PriitM> PovAddict: that person, who wrote that letter is an supreme dumbass.

12:33 <CoderForLife> lunchtime

12:33 <CoderForLife> bbiab

12:34 <Tank_Master> lunch?

12:34 <Tank_Master> I KUST got up...

12:34 <Tank_Master> JUST*

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13:00 <CoderForLife> Cussing because you just got up?

13:00 <CoderForLife> bonjour benje

13:00 <benje> hello CoderForLife

13:00 <benje> how do you do ?

13:01 <CoderForLife> Je suis pas mal, et vous?

13:01 <benje> ca vas bien aussi ;)

13:01 <CoderForLife> manifique )

13:02 <benje> magnifique

13:02 <benje> ;)

13:02 <CoderForLife> mon francais est mal  =)

13:02 <benje> CoderForLife, i am lazy

13:03 <Tank_Master> your not lazy

13:03 <benje> many work on server

13:03 <Tank_Master> he is a member of my team...

13:03 <benje> fatigué ?

13:03 <benje> Tank_Master, me ?

13:03 <benje> or CoderForLife ? Tank_Master

13:03 <Tank_Master> [2007:11:17:10:01:14] <benje> CoderForLife, i am lazy

13:04 <Tank_Master> this guy is lazy ;)

13:04 <Tank_Master>

13:04 <Romulus> <> (at

13:04 <CoderForLife> Only the laziest, smartest people come to #boinc to get questions answered, rather than waste time trying to learn it on their own  =)

13:04 <benje> sorie tired

13:04 <benje> sorry

13:05 <benje> :)

13:05 <Tank_Master> :P

13:06 <benje> oki that a member lazy

13:06 <benje> in french =indolent

13:06 <benje> no i am a tired benje :)

13:07 <benje> i havn't this stats o_0

13:07 <benje> his

13:07 <Tank_Master> :)

13:07 <Tank_Master> not meny do

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13:15 * CoderForLife places his order for TurboTax for 2007

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13:56 <Tank_Master> yoyo

13:56 <Tank_Master> you want to give me  a short discription for yoyo to put on that page of ours?

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14:09 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

14:10 <Tank_Master> yo

14:10 <Tank_Master> I saw your post in SETI.USA

14:10 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

14:10 <Tank_Master> Im the one who is working on up[dateing the info for that page

14:10 <yoyo[RKN]> The project integrates the Client using the Boinc Wrapper technology. yoyo@home runs the OGR-25 project to find an optimal Golumb ruler of the length 25.

14:11 <Tank_Master> that it?

14:11 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

14:11 <Tank_Master> you can do more if you want

14:11 <Tank_Master> more discription

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14:12 <yoyo[RKN]> you should link OGR to wikipedia

14:12 <Tank_Master> I can put in some links to the other stuff you are talking about if you want

14:12 <Tank_Master> give the links and ill add them

14:12 <yoyo[RKN]>

14:12 <Romulus> Title: Golomb ruler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

14:13 <yoyo[RKN]> and this link

14:13 <Romulus> Title: Node Zero (at

14:14 <yoyo[RKN]> you see I browse your forum sometimes

14:14 <Tank_Master> im working on the other missing project to, I hope to get something by the end of the day

14:14 <Tank_Master> I do see you listed in the logged in list from time tot ime

14:16 <yoyo[RKN]> as I started yoyo@home I put the links to the early joind teams to my watchlist. Everey evenig (german time) I walk through this list.

14:18 <CoderForLife> bbl

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14:33 <Tank_Master> im defently an early adoptor of projects ;)

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15:15 <MTughan> Hello mweltin.

15:16 <MTughan> I may have some trouble compiling an X86_64 app for TSP on my system. Seems one of the libraries doesn't have 64-bit info. Header file, actually.

15:17 <PovAddict> headers are x-platform

15:17 <PovAddict> hmm

15:17 <PovAddict> or should be

15:17 <mweltin> hey guys

15:17 <mweltin> tweaking the work generator a little

15:17 <MTughan> Except when they are machine exceptions.

15:17 <MTughan> #if TARGET_CPU_X86

15:17 <mweltin> it ran as a task but dumped the workunit files in the wrong palce (i.e. I'm doing it WRONG)

15:18 <MTughan> lol

15:18 <mweltin> MTughan: thanks for fixing hte for loop.

15:18 <MTughan> No prob.

15:18 <Tank_Master> mw!

15:18 <mweltin> Tank_Master!

15:18 <Tank_Master> sup?

15:18 <yoyo[RKN]> hi mweltin

15:19 <mweltin> guten tag Yoyo

15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> Gruezi

15:20 <mweltin> how is everyone today, you all know its Saturday and you should be out doing something righ?

15:20 <MTughan> I was at my robotics thing.

15:20 <yoyo[RKN]> It's dark outide

15:21 <mweltin> nice you do robotics

15:21 <mweltin> just for that I'll release 100 WU.

15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> you  must use the dir_hier_path tool to put the wus in the right download directory

15:21 <MTughan> Thanks!

15:21 <mweltin> I like robotics, I started writing a set of core libs for LPC2103 ARM

15:22 <mweltin> my call to dir_hier_path looks in ../paths and my workunits were not being written to ../paths.

15:23 * Tank_Master is getting work!

15:23 <MTughan> No new tasks for me anyway.

15:23 <MTughan> Still got 7 WUs.

15:24 <Tank_Master> just got even more

15:24 <mweltin> well things should be running faster once 2.10 is up and running.

15:25 <Tank_Master> you gotten ahold of crunch3r yet?

15:25 <mweltin> tsp forum is dead

15:25 <mweltin> no I'll email him right now.

15:25 <Tank_Master> sorry, I tossed some tear gass in there

15:25 <MTughan> lol

15:26 <Tank_Master> oh, mwelton

15:26 <Tank_Master> mweltin*

15:27 <MTughan> What client do you use Tank_Master?

15:27 <Tank_Master> Im writing up a short discription for each project to be added to one of our pages we have on our website

15:27 <Tank_Master> windows, windows x64

15:27 <MTughan> Most IRC clients you can type the first few letters of a nick and press Tab to autocomplete it.

15:27 <mweltin> I'm going to start to refer to TSP as The Search Problem.

15:28 <Tank_Master> nope

15:28 <Tank_Master> mIRC

15:28 <PovAddict> mirc can definitely

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15:28 <Tank_Master> ok, good to know

15:28 <mweltin> but that will only be after I get a second app runnig.

15:28 <MTughan> 'lo e

15:28 <Tank_Master> ill make that chaneg now, that ok?

15:28 <E-30> hey how are

15:28 <Tank_Master> so you dont wamt me to change it yet?

15:28 <MTughan> "... you doing?"? Pretty good.

15:29 <E-30> i am fine

15:29 <mweltin> sure

15:29 <mweltin> any move forward is a good one.

15:30 <Tank_Master> sure which ;)

15:30 <Tank_Master> also, then can you provide me a short discription for the project?

15:30 <Tank_Master> like 5 sentences or so

15:31 <Tank_Master> will give you kinda what I am looking for

15:31 <mweltin> yes, I need to update the homepage with a new description.

15:31 <E-30> cool

15:31 <Tank_Master> did NNSIMU Project

15:31 <mweltin> I'll hit that up now, and then the new assimilator and then its a real live project.

15:31 <Tank_Master> go ofline?

15:32 <Tank_Master> or does it have a new URL?

15:32 <Tank_Master> the onlu I have on my list here isnt working

15:32 <Tank_Master> one*

15:39 <mweltin> PovAddict: for task period should it be '1 hour' or '1 hours'

15:39 <Tank_Master> hour

15:39 <E-30> wow

15:39 <Tank_Master> hours is plural, more than one

15:41 <mweltin> the boinc wiki page only shows examples with plurals so I figured...... well I'm not sure what i figured.

15:45 <yoyo[RKN]> I use hours, mweltin

15:45 <mweltin> ok well I'll see if it works in less than a hour.

15:45 <E-30> cool

15:47 <yoyo[RKN]> do you got my example code, mweltin?

15:47 <mweltin> que?

15:48 <mweltin> I don't have any of your code, did you send it via a private message?

15:48 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

15:48 <yoyo[RKN]> for creating work if less than something is available for sending

15:48 <mweltin> yes I did

15:48 <mweltin> thanks

15:49 <E-30> cool so how are thing s gong here then

15:49 <mweltin> I do the same thing, but divid the results by 5 because my ntarget is 5

15:49 <mweltin> so that is an approx of how many WU are out.

15:49 <yoyo[RKN]> ok, my nresults is 1

15:49 * CoderForLife finishes reading health insurance plan changes for next year - it gives him a migraine headache that requires hospitalization

15:50 <MTughan> Hehe...

15:50 <E-30> lol

15:50 * E-30 whants coffee

15:50 <mweltin> OMG  this MoFo has a tsp generator

15:51 <mweltin> I wish I had found this two months ago.

15:51 <E-30> wow

15:52 * CoderForLife wonders why anything as complicated as health insurance is called a "benefit"

15:53 <E-30> whos know

15:53 <E-30> well time to clean out the  watter cooling system now again

15:54 <E-30> no fun there

15:54 <E-30> i will be back sometime tonight

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16:14 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

16:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 55.9F / 13.3C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy this evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming north after midnight.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday Night - Partly (1 more message)

16:18 <MTughan> Darn... mweltin: x86_64 for OS X will probably have to wait until I update to Leopard.

16:18 <mweltin> no worries

16:18 <mweltin> thank MTughan

16:26 <PovAddict> MTughan!

16:26 <MTughan> ?

16:26 <PovAddict> you linked expat dynamically

16:26 <MTughan> Sh*t...

16:26 <PovAddict>

16:26 <Romulus> <> (at

16:26 <MTughan> Okay, back to the apps.

16:27 <MTughan> mweltin: Want the updated apps?

16:27 <MTughan> Wait, one sec...

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16:28 <MTughan> Damn... I need to find where I have my builds of libexpat.

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16:29 <mweltin> MTughan: don't stress out about it, we can wait for your leopard or tabby or whatever they call it now.

16:30 <MTughan> No, current apps are messed.

16:30 <PovAddict> mweltin: deprecate current mac apps, they're all crashing if user doesn't have expat

16:30 <mweltin> current project is messed, I still don't have the assmilator done.

16:30 <mweltin> ok

16:31 <PovAddict> better have mac users not getting work than mac users crashing all work

16:31 <mweltin> true enough, its depricated now.

16:31 <MTughan> Damn... Getting undefined symbols although the archives are there.

16:32 <MTughan> What? Same error for PPC...

16:32 <MTughan> That shouldn't be, PPC has its own build.

16:34 <MTughan> Does TSP need expat?

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16:35 <mweltin> yes

16:36 <mweltin> that is what I use to parse the workunit_state file and the inital workunit "in" file.

16:36 <MTughan> Okay...

16:36 <MTughan> My build seems to have been corrupted.

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16:42 <MTughan> Argh... libexpat won't work!

16:43 <MTughan> Always 7 undefined symbols.

16:43 <PovAddict> how did you manage it on previous versions?

16:43 <MTughan> That's what I'm trying to figure out.

16:44 <mweltin> if you think it will help paste you build line again.

16:44 <MTughan> No, it should work.

16:45 <mweltin> Tank_Master: you still around

16:46 <MTughan> Argh... _XML_ErrorString, _XML_GetCurrentLineNumber, _XML_GetErrorCode, _XML_Parse, _XML_ParserCreate, _XML_SetCharacterDataHandler, _XML_SetElementHandler

16:46 <MTughan> Those are the missing symbols.

16:46 <MTughan> The dynamic libraries link fine.

16:46 <mweltin> thats expat alright.

16:47 <mweltin> did you build expat with static libs?

16:47 <MTughan> Yep.

16:47 <MTughan> I'm gonna rebuild, separate Intel and PPC builds, static only.

16:51 <mweltin> he MTughan thanks.

16:52 <mweltin> hey*

16:52 <MTughan> Damn... Still the same error.

16:53 <mweltin> btw genWork is runnning like a charm

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16:53 <mweltin> i never take my own advice but, MTughan take a break solution will come when you are not thinking about it.

16:53 <MTughan> I wish.

16:53 <mweltin> LOL

16:54 <mweltin> you sound like me.

17:00 <PovAddict> damn crunch3r not here...

17:00 <PovAddict> I need help optimizing a build

17:01 <mweltin> PovAddict: I took your advice and added the -O2 and striped the program when I was done.

17:01 <PovAddict> smaller?

17:02 <mweltin> does the strip help performance or just size?

17:02 <MTughan> Should be both.

17:02 <PovAddict> strip only removes the debugging symbols and stuff

17:02 <PovAddict> making it smaller

17:02 <MTughan> Hold on, getting hungry.

17:02 <PovAddict> in practice it may make it *slightly* faster, since the smaller it is, the better it fits on the CPU cache

17:03 <PovAddict> but that's probably a negligible speedup

17:06 <Tank_Master> ib

17:06 <mweltin> someone gave me a newcastle last night, it was the single best taste experience in the last 9 months.

17:08 <Tank_Master> :)

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17:10 <E-30> ok i am back now

17:10 <mweltin> that was fast E-30

17:10 <Tank_Master> what took so long?

17:11 <E-30> had to get the hose unkenk

17:12 <Tank_Master> :P

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17:12 * PovAddict points blaming finger at MTughan

17:12 <zombie67> hi mweltin

17:12 <Tank_Master> zombie!

17:12 <zombie67> I assume everyone already knows?

17:12 <zombie67> hi

17:13 <mweltin> hey zom

17:13 <PovAddict> I saw your post and told people here

17:13 <E-30> it sucked trying to get it were it will be happy

17:13 <zombie67> cool

17:13 <E-30> i tighten ti too much so it kink

17:13 <mweltin> told them what?

17:13 <E-30> it

17:13 <PovAddict> mweltin: mac app crashing

17:14 <E-30> mot like my cpu temp went up to 110 C

17:14 <PovAddict> holy crapz0r

17:14 <mweltin> ouch

17:14 <E-30> yea it back down to 50 c now

17:14 <PovAddict> I think my mingw supports 64-bit

17:14 <PovAddict> gotta try this out

17:15 <PovAddict> aww nope

17:15 <PovAddict> "sorry, unimplemented: 64-bit mode not compiled in"

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17:16 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

17:17 <zombie67> c ya

17:18 <E-30> c you latter

17:18 <zombie67> today ends the 2 month waiting period for the global team founder....FINALLY

17:20 <zombie67> next, I get to see of the transfer function actuall works for global teams

17:22 <zombie67> I got the last 3 season attribution tasks...

17:22 <mweltin> what is this global team thing?

17:23 <zombie67> pov can explain it better than I can

17:23 <PovAddict> but I'd rather not

17:24 <zombie67> teams are created at the boinc site.  then, when new projects are created, they automatically import the teams and founders

17:24 <zombie67> lot of problems with how it was implemented

17:25 <mweltin> is that what was on the project list about sending personal info?

17:26 * CoderForLife lingers in the shadows, watching the activities in the room

17:26 <zombie67> yeah.  also, it is not encrypted beyond rot13

17:26 <zombie67> also, rather than having each team set up their defaults, they just copied all the teams in from seti@home

17:26 <PovAddict> all?

17:27 <zombie67> all, most, top #, whatever

17:27 <zombie67> problem is that not all those team founders at SETI still exist any more.

17:27 <zombie67> like with my team

17:28 <zombie67> so I submitted a transfer request two months ago to take over founder of the global default team.

17:28 <zombie67> but during that time, the crap founder infor has been replicated at most of the new projects

17:29 <zombie67> which means more transfer requests, and more waiting to fix

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17:32 <zombie67> yea!  it looks like the validation problem at tsp is fixed

17:32 <mweltin> sounds like a headach

17:32 <CoderForLife> 0|[|[ 4 2 |\||73

17:32 <zombie67> yeah, DA created a real mess by just shooting from the hip.

17:32 <CoderForLife> cya folks to-mah-rah

17:33 <mweltin> later CFL

17:33 <PovAddict> CFL wtf was that

17:34 <mweltin> CoderForLife

17:34 <zombie67> your password

17:34 <zombie67> gotta run

17:34 <zombie67> bbl

17:34 <mweltin> bye

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17:34 <PovAddict> I don't get 0|[|[

17:34 <CoderForLife> OFF

17:34 <mweltin> same here didn't get that.

17:34 <PovAddict> o_o

17:35 <CoderForLife> f=|[

17:35 <PovAddict> the lower horizontal line is way too low

17:35 <CoderForLife> as they say - not my problem =)

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17:36 <CoderForLife> buh-bye

17:36 <mweltin> Tank_Master:

17:36 <mweltin> ?

17:37 <mweltin> Tank_Master: here is the copy I'm thinking of posting

17:37 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

17:40 <Tank_Master> ok

17:40 <Tank_Master> sorry, was out buying icecream ;)

17:40 <Tank_Master> it was on sale, 2 for $6

17:42 <Tank_Master> cities is spelled wrong

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17:43 <mweltin> I'll hit it up with the spell checker.

17:43 <yoyo_RKN> re

17:43 <Tank_Master> found 2 grammer issues, but spellchecker will get those to

17:43 <Tank_Master> also, in the second to last secentince in the last paragraph

17:44 <yoyo_RKN> where is the link to the global teams?

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17:44 <Tank_Master> should be "The Search Problem (TSP) is..."

17:44 <E-30> thats better now

17:44 <E-30> lol

17:46 <Tank_Master> wb E

17:46 <E-30> thx

17:47 <E-30> well now my rac in qmc is down becuse of computer trubble

17:47 <Tank_Master> yoyo, I think  this is the one they are talking about:

17:47 <Tank_Master>

17:47 <Romulus> Title: BOINC-wide teams (at

17:48 <Tank_Master> sorry to hear that, E

17:48 <PovAddict> wow a 3h 43m yoyo unit

17:48 <E-30> thats ok i am still over 4000 rac total

17:48 * PovAddict forces report

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17:48 <Tank_Master> wb BB

17:48 <E-30> bue i will be ile 800 more if my box us running full time

17:48 <BadBarbarian> thanx

17:49 * PovAddict looks at yoyo[RKN] and his clone yoyo_RKN

17:49 <E-30> lol

17:49 <Tank_Master> its his alter ego, pov

17:49 <E-30> it like E-30 and E-30219

17:49 <E-30> my two i have

17:49 <Tank_Master> :)

17:49 <yoyo_RKN> one will disconnect soon

17:49 <Tank_Master> took mine almost 20 min to time out once

17:49 <E-30> and next mouth i will be under e-30219

17:49 <PovAddict> how small is 3h 43m yoyo_RKN?

17:50 <yoyo_RKN> it is a fast WU

17:50 <E-30> yea it was

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17:52 <Tank_Master> there ya go!

17:52 <yoyo_RKN> what about FFE?  We will catch you;808.gif

17:52 <Romulus> <> (at

17:52 <PovAddict> :O

17:53 * Tank_Master wonders which project this is for

17:54 * Tank_Master thinks to amount is to low to be a total combined

17:54 <yoyo_RKN> hehe

17:54 <Tank_Master> :)

17:57 <yoyo_RKN> Tank_Master :;64.gif

17:57 <Romulus> <> (at

17:57 <mweltin> ls

17:57 <PovAddict> ...

17:58 <PovAddict> you_are_typing_on_the_wrong_window.txt

17:58 <PovAddict> $

17:58 <mweltin> maybe

18:00 <E-30> lol

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18:04 <zombie67> what about server-side abortions?

18:04 <PovAddict> what about them

18:04 <zombie67>

18:04 <Romulus> <> (at

18:04 <zombie67> 3 of the 5 are no longer needed

18:04 <zombie67> it would be good to abort any that have not yet started crunching

18:06 <zombie67> also, it looks like credit is awareded based on the lesser of the two.  It would be better, IMO, to take the average of the two.

18:06 <PovAddict> how do you know it was the lesser?

18:06 <PovAddict> maybe it granted 14.499

18:06 <zombie67> one claimed 15, one claimed 14.  14 was awarded

18:06 <mweltin> I'm trying to stay away from the credit granting.

18:06 <zombie67> true, hard to tell now

18:06 <PovAddict> I was just arguing it could be rounding

18:07 <PovAddict> but yes it awarded the lowest: 13.8958812408018

18:07 <zombie67> mweltin, not asking you to do make judjements

18:07 <mweltin> oh

18:07 <zombie67> just adjust the methodology

18:07 <PovAddict> mweltin: yeah nobody asked your opinion!

18:07 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: there is keyboard/mouse input (same as a whole, if i copy that from the ops

18:07 <PovAddict> j/k

18:07 <zombie67> I think the default is lesser

18:08 <zombie67> most projects that don't use fixed credits use the average of the two

18:09 <zombie67> of course it is up to you.  but using the lesser of the two will drive away some crunchers.

18:09 <zombie67> back to server side abortions....

18:09 <mweltin> I must say, using the stderr for the output helps checking for errors.

18:10 <zombie67> seti uses them very sucessfully

18:10 <zombie67> avoids waste of time and energy

18:10 <mweltin> if I ever change it I'll used fixed.

18:10 <zombie67> fair enough

18:10 <mweltin> at least with these workunits

18:10 <mweltin> well on second thought

18:11 <PovAddict> zombie67: the default is the median, I think...

18:11 <mweltin> if you found several successive shorter paths it would take a lot more computation than one that is full of just crap paths.

18:11 <mweltin> so fixed is not a good idea.

18:11 <PovAddict> I thought all WUs took the same time?

18:12 <zombie67> if you knew what the average over-all would be, you could still make fixed work.

18:12 <mweltin> mmmmmmmm

18:12 <mweltin> yes

18:12 <mweltin> you are right

18:12 <zombie67> I am happy either way

18:12 <mweltin> all work units should take the same amount of time, htey still have to evaluate every path regardless of its fitness.

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18:12 <mweltin> so fixed will work well.

18:13 <mweltin> but then picking the fixed number has its own problems.

18:13 <zombie67> I think the bigger issue is the initial replication of 5, with a quorum of 2.  Either IR should be dropped to 2, or automated server-side abortions should be implemented.  All IMO, of course.

18:14 <mweltin> if people don't want to crunch because I use the default then I guess that is the way it is.

18:15 <mweltin> what are server side abortions?  is that using the trigger messages?

18:15 <PovAddict> the server tells the client "if you haven't started workunit X yet, abort it, it's not useful anyway"

18:15 <mweltin> I should raise the min quorum

18:15 <zombie67> using that WU as an example, you have three machines crunching for ~1 hr. for no benefit to anyone.  You could be using that for needed work, or it could be going to other projects if you are temporarily out of work.

18:15 <E-30> yea

18:16 <zombie67> does the science need a higher min quorum?

18:16 <mweltin> ok I like that

18:16 <mweltin> no

18:16 <zombie67> if not, again it is just burning energy and time unnecessarily.

18:16 <mweltin> so I doubt the the boinc wiki calls it server side abortions, or does it?

18:17 <mweltin> I need to figure out how to get that going.

18:17 <mweltin> first priority is the assimilator, then this.

18:17 <zombie67> fure thing.  glad to hear!

18:18 <zombie67> sure

18:18 <PovAddict> did you disable the old one?

18:18 <PovAddict> server-side aborts are <send_result_abort>1</send_result_abort> on config.xml, btw

18:18 <zombie67> I believer there are two times

18:19 <mweltin> thats all you have to do?!

18:19 <zombie67> 1)  forces the abortion regardless of crunch state.  Not nice for people that are already 75% into it.

18:19 <zombie67> 2)  forces abortion of all units, only if they have not yet started to crunch

18:20 <PovAddict> zombie67: that happens automatically... only if the workunit doesn't exist on the DB at all, it aborts regardless of crunch state

18:20 <zombie67> #1 is used primarily for bad WUs

18:21 <zombie67> #2 is used for the situation here, where IR > min quorum, to save resources

18:21 <mweltin> that was easy

18:21 <PovAddict> "If the client is processing a result for a WU that has been cancelled or is not in the DB (i.e. there's no chance of getting credit) send <result_abort>. If client is processing a result for a WU that has been assimilated or is overdue (i.e. there's a chance of not getting credit) send <result_abort_if_not_started>."

18:22 <mweltin> ok now I'm confused again, is <result_abort_if_not_started> another direcitve or is that send_result_abort =2 ?

18:23 <PovAddict> no that's internal server->client messages you don't have to care about

18:23 <mweltin> ok, its official then TSP send_result_abort = 2.

18:23 <mweltin> I'll restart the server again.

18:23 <zombie67> sweet!!

18:23 <mweltin> oh and that reminds me I'm going to drop the daily quota back down to 10

18:24 <PovAddict> why

18:24 <zombie67> fair

18:24 <PovAddict> WHY

18:24 <zombie67> limited work?

18:24 <mweltin> a daily quota of 100 doesn't make sense

18:24 <mweltin> they take an hour

18:24 <mweltin> and the delay bound is 24 hours

18:24 <PovAddict> the only reason for the quota to even exist is to avoid somebody who is doing one workunit a second because they're all crashing

18:25 <zombie67> if the work is available, my 8 core can do 24x8 = 192/day

18:25 <mweltin> they was why the limit got raised, so we could crunch through all the bad workunits.

18:25 <mweltin> I did not think of that.

18:25 <zombie67> I think pov is asking, why limit it at all?

18:25 <mweltin> I'm so 1.3GHz centric some times.

18:26 <mweltin> ok

18:26 <zombie67> I could understand a limit if the amount of work is < the capacity of crunchers.

18:26 <PovAddict> there limit *has* to be there to avoid a single client getting work and crashing it

18:26 <zombie67> helps fair distribution

18:26 <mweltin> so just ditch the <daily_result_quota> altogether.

18:26 <PovAddict> but it doesn't have to be so low

18:26 <PovAddict> try 500 or something

18:26 <mweltin> I do have the one_result_per_user_per_wu

18:27 <zombie67> another option could be to limit the # ot results on a machine at any given time.

18:27 <mweltin> so that keeps from one person getting all the work.

18:27 <PovAddict> mweltin: yep, he can only get 1/5th of all the server's work :P

18:27 <PovAddict> THAT'S STILL A F'ING LOT

18:27 <zombie67> I think a minimum number for that method should be 24 (3 results/core).

18:28 <PovAddict> daily quota *is* needed, but set it higher than anybody's speed

18:28 <PovAddict> zombie67: or hack the code to make the limit per-core as I originally made it >.>

18:28 <mweltin> ok so a 200 daily quota should be good then.

18:28 <zombie67> heh

18:28 <PovAddict> bbl, time to try doing something productive

18:28 <zombie67> let me do some math

18:28 <PovAddict> mweltin: go work on the assimilator

18:28 <zombie67> my 8-way XP machine is 2700 sec.

18:28 <mweltin> but PovAddict this is productive.

18:29 <zombie67> that works out to 32 results per core per day.  or 256

18:29 <zombie67> my mac 8-way is even faster.  probably 300/day

18:29 <zombie67> use whatever number you like

18:29 <zombie67> just providing some data

18:30 <mweltin> ok I'll go with 200 for now

18:30 <zombie67> I need to get going too.  Lots of great progress mweltin!  you are going to have a very sucessful project, I think.

18:31 <zombie67> one last question:  when do you estimate mac apps will be available again?

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18:32 <mweltin> after MTughan gets something to eat, and takes a nap.

18:32 <PovAddict> zombie67: yeah the mac apps aren't mweltin's problem, blame MTughan

18:33 <zombie67> cool.  I'll take a look again tomorrow.

18:33 <zombie67> heh

18:33 <zombie67> night all!

18:33 <PovAddict> mweltin: I edited the ProjectOptions page, hope it's clearer now

18:33 <PovAddict> about server-side abort setting

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18:37 <mweltin> PovAddict: thats better, but it says nothing about the values to set it to.

18:37 <PovAddict> 0 or 1

18:37 <mweltin> so my 2 is meaningless

18:37 <PovAddict> the values are shown on the summary on the top of the page

18:37 <mweltin> sweet

18:37 <mweltin> got it

18:38 <mweltin> I went with 200 as a daily quota

18:38 <mweltin> now back to the assimilator

18:38 <PovAddict> what do you think of this layout?

18:38 <Romulus> Title: SandBox - BOINC - Trac (at

18:40 <mweltin> looks the same

18:41 <PovAddict> does it...

18:41 <mweltin> but with a much better index

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18:48 <mweltin> looks good

18:48 <mweltin> my GS just flipped out on me

18:48 <mweltin> I have to do some damage control

18:48 <mweltin> bbl

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19:07 <E-30> welll then time for me to go to bed now

19:07 <E-30> &nn

19:07 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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19:08 <Tank_Master> bed?

19:08 <Tank_Master> at 4pm?

19:08 <Tank_Master> :P

19:09 <PovAddict> TIMEZONES

19:09 <Tank_Master> timewhat?

19:09 <Tank_Master> that like the twilitezones?

19:23 <Tank_Master> :)

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19:31 <BadBarbarian> lol

19:44 <MTughan> Well, that was fun... What'd I miss?

19:44 <PovAddict> well, that you didn't make the mac apps yet :P

19:44 <MTughan> lol

19:44 <PovAddict> but you missed more interesting stuff on the other channel

19:44 <MTughan> Damn... IMPFarm forums are in German again.

19:45 <Tank_Master> NNOOO!!!!!

19:45 <PovAddict> whut

19:45 <Tank_Master> lol

19:46 <Tank_Master> us americans cant read foreigneese

19:46 <MTughan> I'm Canadian.

19:46 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:46 <Tank_Master> well, your close enough ;)

19:46 <Tank_Master> just french and english

19:46 <MTughan> Meh. Still not American.

19:47 <Tank_Master> north american...

19:47 <MTughan> A continent is a very large piece of land.

19:47 <Tank_Master> but that includes mexico, so we wont og there

19:47 <PovAddict> rant: AMERICA IS A COUNTRY

19:47 <MTughan> Consider Europe.

19:47 <Tank_Master> yes, yes it is

19:47 <Tank_Master> North Americe is a contnent

19:48 <Tank_Master> @#%$en keyboard

19:48 <PovAddict> USA calls itself america because they keep thinking they're the center of the world

19:48 <PovAddict> 'sif there weren't other countries in america

19:48 <Tank_Master> we are, all points on a sphere are the center in relatinship to all other points

19:48 <MTughan> You're referring to North, Central, and South America at this point, right?

19:54 <Tank_Master> I was

19:54 <MTughan> Talking about Pov.

19:54 <Tank_Master> though so ;)

19:54 <Tank_Master> but the silence was deffening

19:54 <MTughan> lol

19:54 <MTughan> And that's "deafening".

19:55 <Tank_Master> same diff

19:55 <MTughan> Oops... Killed the last of the TSP WUs by moving the dynamic library of expat... :P

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19:59 <MTughan> Any Mac people here? Notice zombie's not here.

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20:12 <MTughan> &ping

20:12 <Romulus> pong

20:14 <MTughan> Damn it! Why are there symbols undefined?!

20:21 <MTughan> PovAddict: Would it work if I compiled libexpat.a right in, rather than using -lexpat?

20:25 <MTughan> Gah... I have the feeling that it's still trying to find the f***ing dynamic libraries.

20:26 <MTughan> BUT THEY AREN'T THERE!!!!

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20:31 <PovAddict> <--

20:31 <Romulus> wich has most cable as 6 of 8 tasks)

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20:37 <MTughan> PovAddict: Any idea? I'm completely stumped here.

20:38 <PovAddict> did you compile expat yourself?

20:38 <MTughan> Yep.

20:38 <PovAddict> I think your best bet is building it yourself with a non-default prefix and forcing the tsp makefile to get it from there

20:38 <MTughan> That's what I did.

20:39 <MTughan> Problem is I don't know if which libexpat it's using.

20:39 <PovAddict> try pointing it to the .a directly

20:39 <MTughan> K...

20:40 <MTughan> Still the same.

20:42 <MTughan> Do you know if libexpat could be worked out?

20:42 <PovAddict> are you sure that .a is static?

20:42 <MTughan> How can I tell?

20:43 <PovAddict> if it's big?

20:43 <MTughan> 408KB enough?

20:43 <MTughan> 340KB for PPC.

20:43 <PovAddict> pastebin the linker errors

20:44 <MTughan> I turned -v on.

20:44 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 778936 (at

20:45 <MTughan> Actually, I can remove ./src/lib. That's not used anymore.

20:49 <MTughan> Hey, I never thought of this... Are header files tied to libraries? Because if I'm using the wrong header file for a library...

20:49 <PovAddict> well they are... somewhat

20:49 <MTughan> In what functions are defined?

20:49 <PovAddict> but it would only matter if you're using different versions

20:50 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't think I am... But good to just check.

20:50 <MTughan> What header files are associated with expat? I have expat.h and expat_external.h right now.

20:51 <PovAddict> I never used expat, I consider push event XML parsers to be masochism

20:51 <MTughan> All right, one sec...

20:51 <MTughan> The only header file found in the expat build folder is expat_external.h...

20:52 <MTughan> So where did expat.h come from then, I wonder?

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20:52 <PovAddict> weird because that's the one included from tsp probably

20:52 <MTughan> Wait, that's expat-config.h...

20:52 <MTughan> Okay, expat.h and expat_external.h from /usr/local/include, expat-config.h from expat build.

20:54 <MTughan> Nuts... Same result.

20:54 <MTughan> I did have file not found errors with expat.h though, so I know it was being referenced.

20:54 <MTughan> Those are fixed.

20:58 <MTughan> Any other ideas?

21:10 <Tank_Master> make it more gooder

21:10 <MTughan> You want to try and fix it?

21:11 <Tank_Master> LOL

21:11 <Tank_Master> you want a working app?

21:11 <MTughan> Yes.

21:11 <Tank_Master> then you dont want me to try

21:11 <Tank_Master> ;)

21:12 <MTughan> Good. Then I don't want your suggestions.

21:13 * Tank_Master goes into the corner and sulks

21:14 <Tank_Master> it was an idea...

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21:23 <Tank_Master> im outa here, pizza is done ;)

21:28 <PovAddict> ooo pizza

21:31 <PovAddict> &ping

21:31 <Romulus> pong

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21:52 <mweltin> bb soon

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23:03 <Bads_Quad> evening all

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23:10 <mweltin> crunch3r just hooked me up with the suite of apps

23:10 <mweltin> once I get the mac apps I'm in business.

23:14 <Bads_Quad> evening pov & Mw

23:14 <mweltin> hey HEY

23:14 <Romulus> lowers his voice and his wife "The Fat Frutas Lady" is in rosetta@home, maybe it even rained a bit of lightning...

23:15 <Bads_Quad> lol romies on a roll

23:19 <mweltin> PovAddict: you feel like doing the mirror thing?

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