IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2007-11-18

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00:09 <mweltin> does anyone know Chris Multon?

00:09 <mweltin> he runs the boincprojectstatus.ath.cx site.

00:15 <mweltin> anyone, anyone at all, Beuler?

00:18 <Bads_Quad> hey MW

00:18 <Bads_Quad> wasup

00:18 <mweltin> not much finially get to that assimilator.

00:18 <mweltin> crunch3r hooked me up with a ton of builds.

00:19 <mweltin> win intel 32 and 64 bit

00:19 <mweltin> 64bit linux

00:19 <Bads_Quad> he's the man lol

00:19 <Bads_Quad> cool

00:19 <mweltin> and some special platform for himself.

00:19 <mweltin> yea

00:19 <Bads_Quad> am a window's guy sorry

00:20 <mweltin> I just cant see to get it to build at my house with MSVS 2005

00:21 <Bads_Quad> what flavor linux

00:21 <mweltin> slackware

00:22 <Bads_Quad> ubutu is the one i have on a p3 1.4 gig cruncher

00:23 <Bads_Quad> lol i am still learning vista

00:23 <Bads_Quad> hate it

00:23 <mweltin> Lots o fmy friends run ubuntu and love it, real easy install.

00:23 <mweltin> with anyluck I'll never see vista but you never know.

00:24 <mweltin> I've gone all linux a few times, but windows just keeps pulling me back in.

00:24 <Bads_Quad> its easy to install but you can still do alot of things under the hood

00:24 <Bads_Quad> lol xp or vista

00:24 <mweltin> our threads are getting mixed up.

00:25 <mweltin> but for a while I NEEDED to use MATLAB and the linux version sucked.

00:26 <Bads_Quad> lol thats the problem evryone knows xp but now they (bill gates ) have to change everything (vista)

00:26 <Bads_Quad> lol

00:27 <mweltin> it will be a few more years before I go vista

00:28 <Bads_Quad> well i got this quad refurb and vista home prem on it so i am learning

00:28 <mweltin> is it that different?

00:29 <Bads_Quad> very

00:29 <Bads_Quad> you lose all the control youi had with xp its made for dummys

00:31 <Bads_Quad> as for horse power on the quad just look at this wu

00:31 <Bads_Quad> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=179869708

00:31 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-AO> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

00:32 <Bads_Quad> running vista home prem

00:33 <mweltin> how big are their WU's

00:34 <Bads_Quad> dont know my adverage is 4 wu's per 2.5 hrs

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00:35 <mweltin> well right on Quad

00:36 <Bads_Quad> but a PD 3 gig took 2.25 times the time to do the same wu

00:36 <mweltin> I need a new box.

00:36 <mweltin> I only have single core 1.3GHz boxes.

00:37 <Bads_Quad> refurbs can be the way to go is you don't OC

00:37 <mweltin> that is what my project runs off of.

00:37 <mweltin> I live in American Samoa I'll wait til I get home to the US before I get a new box.

00:37 <Bads_Quad> let me get you the link for this one

00:38 <Bads_Quad> this is the link

00:38 <Bads_Quad> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=179869708

00:38 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-AO> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

00:39 <Bads_Quad> sorry

00:39 <Bads_Quad> lol

00:40 <mweltin> you should join the TSP project.

00:40 <Bads_Quad> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3402767&CatId=3478

00:40 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/191E> (at www.tigerdirect.com)

00:40 <Bads_Quad> thats the link

00:40 <mweltin> gee nice link

00:41 <Bads_Quad> i am waiting till i can get my hands on x64 vista

00:41 <Bads_Quad> than i will get 4000 rac on abc with one box

00:42 <mweltin> you are a cruncher Quad, serious cruncher.

00:42 <Bads_Quad> maybe more

00:42 <Bads_Quad> lol

00:42 <Bads_Quad> not realy

00:43 <Bads_Quad> look at the boxes i have lol

00:43 <Bads_Quad> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=8359453

00:43 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/:xP> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

00:43 <Bads_Quad> and the p4 2.66 died

00:44 <Bads_Quad> dead doa no rez fried

00:44 <Bads_Quad> lol

00:44 <mweltin> nice to you see you have some AMD's

00:44 <Bads_Quad> i love amd but they been sucking the hind tit

00:45 <Bads_Quad> no quad for work stations till next year

00:45 <Bads_Quad> ARRRRRRRRRRRRR

00:46 <mweltin> they only have a 5% market share, they can't move too fast.

00:46 <Bads_Quad> they had a 45% market share and blew it

00:47 <Bads_Quad> when the atlon 64 was introduced they where kicking intels but than they got lazy

00:49 <efc> Intel has quite an advantage on capital reserve and such, sort of like GM, they really have to keep screwing up to sink

00:49 <mweltin> yeah the dual core was a good move, but intel has too wide a distrbution network, they only keep AMD alive so they don't end up a monopoly.

00:53 <Bads_Quad> speaking of gm who do you think makes the chips for all there cars

00:54 <efc> I don't know, I doubt they single-source that

00:54 <Bads_Quad> amd they won the comtract 3 years ago

00:54 <Bads_Quad> 20 year contract

00:55 <Bads_Quad> amd has the money to realy put intel under but keeping the shareholders happy has won out

00:56 <efc> They've barely had a profit for many years.. though I'm not sure how much profit they may be ploughing under for capital

00:57 <Tank_Master> ib

00:57 <Tank_Master> mw, hows it going over there?

00:58 <mweltin> not bad just released the 2.09

00:59 <mweltin> crunch3r hooked me up!

00:59 <mweltin> all but the mac apps.

00:59 <mweltin> working on the assimilator

00:59 <Bads_Quad> hi efc & tank

01:00 <Bads_Quad> that GM contract has to be worth some money

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01:00 <Tank_Master> did he give you a winx64 app?

01:00 <Bads_Quad> hey larry

01:02 <mweltin> yes win64

01:02 <mweltin> and he just dropped a mac app down on me.

01:02 <Tank_Master> nice

01:02 <mweltin> PovAddict is not around so i can't set up the mirror.

01:02 <Bads_Quad> brb got to reboot

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01:02 <mweltin> I'm going to just release a few workunits at a time to keep my bandwidth from dropping off.

01:04 <mweltin> Tank_Master: were you around for the send result abort talk

01:04 <mweltin> that got implimented

01:04 <Tank_Master> no

01:04 <Tank_Master> I havent been here for about 3h or more

01:05 <Tank_Master> I watched some whos and a movie

01:05 <mweltin> yes

01:05 <Tank_Master> shows*

01:05 <mweltin> haha

01:05 <mweltin> it was either Dr. Who's or HO's

01:05 <mweltin> but shows works too

01:06 <freelarry> morn to all - just drifting around

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01:06 <Bads_Quad> back

01:07 <Tank_Master> dr who is an awsome show ;)

01:07 <mweltin> hey fl

01:07 <Tank_Master> I got all of the origonal 19 seasons on my comp

01:08 <mweltin> not bad, depends on who is dr who.

01:08 <mweltin> I'm a fan of police squad.

01:08 <Tank_Master> takes 155GB

01:08 <mweltin> best show ever!

01:08 <Tank_Master> :P

01:08 <Bads_Quad> lol i have 2 more fans in the quad and still running 50c

01:08 <Tank_Master> dont think I have seen that one

01:08 * efc has a gigantic stack of tapes of the original

01:08 <Tank_Master> ooo... tapes ;)

01:08 <Tank_Master> old skool

01:09 <Bads_Quad> lol the dvd is still there

01:09 <mweltin> you have not seen police squad ?!?!?!?!

01:09 <efc> It ran on PBS up to about 1992

01:09 <mweltin> stop what you are doing and watch it at all costs.

01:09 <Bads_Quad> tank do you like the new dr who

01:09 <Tank_Master> defently

01:10 <Bads_Quad> police squad is a classic

01:10 <Tank_Master> I thill think the doc with the long scarf and the k-9 was the best though

01:10 <Tank_Master> still*

01:10 <mweltin> long scarf yes

01:10 <Bads_Quad> k9 came back for the new show

01:10 <Tank_Master> one show

01:11 <Tank_Master> had the origonal actriss to

01:11 <Bads_Quad> well she was'nt going to come back

01:11 <Bads_Quad> k9 was her's

01:11 <Tank_Master> no, but I wish the k-9 had stayed

01:11 <Tank_Master> true

01:11 <efc> Sarah.. last name was..

01:11 <Bads_Quad> ummmm

01:12 <Tank_Master> that I dont remember

01:12 <Bads_Quad> sorry

01:12 <efc> i'm usually a who database

01:12 <efc> elizabeth sladen actress

01:12 <efc> getting rusty

01:13 <efc> sarah jane smith

01:13 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:13 <Bads_Quad> the first season doctor should have stayed he was very good

01:13 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:13 <Bads_Quad> in the new dr who that is

01:13 <Tank_Master> but this new one aint bad

01:14 <Bads_Quad> but i liked the atiitude of the season one dr

01:14 <Tank_Master> true

01:14 <Bads_Quad> i think it was money

01:15 <efc> sometimes the new series seems rushed and ADD to me

01:15 <Tank_Master> I preferd the rose was good to

01:15 <efc> Still like it but used to the old pacing

01:15 <Tank_Master> Rose was good to*

01:17 <Bads_Quad> tank can you put me at 1/2 op on the other channel

01:17 <Bads_Quad> i will get drunky to fix it

01:18 <Tank_Master> I dont have a half op button

01:18 <Bads_Quad> lol

01:18 <Tank_Master> and Im to lazy to type in the command

01:19 <Bads_Quad> the dvd is still there woohoo

01:19 <mweltin> where is the RESULT structure defined?

01:19 <Tank_Master> in the code

01:19 <mweltin> oh, yeah of course, and to think I was looking in the fridge

01:19 <mweltin> how silly of me.

01:19 <Tank_Master> hehe

01:20 <Bads_Quad> tank i put 2 more fans in this thing and still running at 60c what do you think another cpu fan block

01:20 <Tank_Master> you still have that code of conduct you sighned when you started this hole mess, right?

01:20 <Tank_Master> thats the code its in ;)

01:21 <Tank_Master> gl finding anything

01:21 <Tank_Master> I thought it was running at 50c

01:21 <Tank_Master> 50c isnt going to hurt it

01:21 <Bads_Quad> was off a reboot

01:21 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:21 <efc> so you're actually able to run all 4 cores 100% w/o heat problems ?

01:22 <Bads_Quad> 60c

01:22 <Tank_Master> 60 isnt to bad....

01:22 <efc> looked like to me the quad cores TDP was about the same as a fast P4

01:22 <Tank_Master> 50 is the normal for most premade PCs when idle

01:22 <Tank_Master> its 95w, which is less than the Pd's 120w

01:22 <Bads_Quad> but ooler is better

01:22 <Bads_Quad> lol

01:22 <Tank_Master> defently

01:22 <Tank_Master> mine is under 40

01:23 <Tank_Master> but I got a large case, and a large heatsink on it

01:23 <Tank_Master> and the fan I have on it isnt slow either

01:23 <efc> Pd?

01:24 <Bads_Quad> pentium duel core

01:24 <Tank_Master> was the name for the dual core P4

01:24 <Tank_Master> but didnt have HT

01:24 <Tank_Master> it was basicly a stopgap between the P4 and the core2

01:25 <Tank_Master> and also to intel could say they had a dualcore out before AMD

01:25 <Bads_Quad> to combat the 64bit amd

01:25 <Bads_Quad> lol both

01:25 <Tank_Master> the P4 6xx and 5x1s were 64bit

01:26 <Tank_Master> what are you using to look at your CPU temp?

01:28 <Tank_Master> my CPU temp is 35c according to the sensor on the mobo

01:28 <Bads_Quad> speedfan

01:28 <Tank_Master> but the proc is reporting 45c for both cores

01:28 <Tank_Master> same here

01:28 <Romulus> anyway, running the program till I find those is there stipp the CPID

01:29 <Bads_Quad> 52 to 60 here

01:29 <Tank_Master> dide, rommie, sthu and go back to skool to learn to speek

01:29 <Tank_Master> have you tryed running with the case side off?

01:29 * efc is tempted to buy one of these new fangled machines but no good reasons yet

01:30 <Bads_Quad> lol

01:30 <Tank_Master> uh?

01:30 <Tank_Master> no reasons?

01:30 <Tank_Master> heloow? BOINC???

01:30 <Bads_Quad> yes no diff

01:30 <efc> yeah only difference is more WU/KW of space heat

01:30 <Tank_Master> set a fan on the desk blowing intot he case

01:30 <Bads_Quad> 4 wu's every 2.25 hrs is not bad for 1 box

01:31 <Tank_Master> and more cruncher done

01:31 <Bads_Quad> opened the front of the case and added a fan

01:32 <Tank_Master> that didnt help?

01:32 <Bads_Quad> lol i don't have to run a heater in my bedroom anymore

01:32 <Tank_Master> hehe

01:33 <Tank_Master> with a good heatsink, it wont raise the temp much

01:33 <Tank_Master> mine is onlu 35c, or adout 97f

01:33 <efc> cpu's replace the strip heat in this room

01:33 <efc> if it gets cold I turn on some more P3-600s

01:34 <Tank_Master> hehe

01:34 <Tank_Master> I have 32 P3s under my command

01:34 <Bads_Quad> i was thinking of ordering this

01:34 <Bads_Quad> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3071635&CatId=1588

01:34 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Aj> (at www.tigerdirect.com)

01:35 <Bads_Quad> and they all crunch

01:35 <Bads_Quad> lol

01:35 <Tank_Master> interesting design

01:35 <efc> some of the P3s were pretty decent on power

01:35 <efc> around the 600 mhz coppermine era

01:35 <Tank_Master> mine have a 200w or 150w PS

01:35 <Tank_Master> mine are 1GHz

01:36 <efc> somehow i ended up with 3 600 mhz'ers

01:37 <efc> (and a celeron 700 but that one is not worth ressurecting)

01:37 <Tank_Master> slot1 or socket 370?

01:37 <efc> 1 slot1, all others are sockets

01:38 <efc> You could use a stack like yours to replace the heat strips on a heat pump

01:38 <efc> ours is dual 10kW elements

01:39 <Tank_Master> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2478160&CatId=1997

01:39 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-An> (at www.tigerdirect.com)

01:39 <efc> it hardly ever runs though

01:39 <Tank_Master> thats similer to the HS I have in mine

01:40 <Tank_Master> the AC is constenly running in the room, yet ti still gets up to 80 in there

01:41 <Bads_Quad> i like the reviews on mine better

01:41 <Tank_Master> oh?

01:41 <Bads_Quad> read them

01:42 <Tank_Master> this is one of the best

01:42 <Bads_Quad> lol read

01:42 <Bads_Quad> rember i have a tight case

01:43 <Tank_Master> ahh, then n/m

01:43 <Bads_Quad> lol

01:43 <Tank_Master> you do need lots of room for this one

01:43 <Bads_Quad> yep

01:43 <Tank_Master> its got a 120mm fan ontop it

01:43 <Bads_Quad> so doz the other

01:44 <Tank_Master> but its not ontop

01:44 <Bads_Quad> sorry 110 mm

01:44 <Tank_Master> nice thing about mine it is also blows air over the mobo and ram

01:44 <Bads_Quad> no its not

01:45 <Bads_Quad> but you get cooling on both sides

01:45 <Bads_Quad> lol suck & blow

01:46 <Tank_Master> it should work fine in yours

01:46 <Bads_Quad> k i think so too

01:46 <Tank_Master> but with the room I have, mine is defently a better choise

01:47 <Tank_Master> anywho, when is mweltin gonna release more work??

01:47 <Bads_Quad> i think getting the old one off is going to be the problem

01:47 <Tank_Master> if its the default, its not to bad

01:48 <Tank_Master> press down on the tab and twist

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01:48 <Tank_Master> I guess he dosent want to talk about sending work ;)

01:49 <quail> afternoon all, how are we all?

01:49 <Bads_Quad> well is time to sleep night all

01:49 <Tank_Master> gn

01:49 <Bads_Quad> hey quail wasup

01:49 <Tank_Master> n gl with the new comp

01:49 <Bads_Quad> thanx

01:50 <Tank_Master> evening

01:50 <quail> hi / bye Bads_Quad, not alot

01:50 <Bads_Quad> quail this is my new one BadBarbarian here

01:50 <quail> yeah I gathered that :-)

01:51 <Bads_Quad> talking about cooling lol

01:51 <quail> :-)

01:51 <Bads_Quad> even with the stock fan running 60c on seti

01:51 <Tank_Master> his CPU is hot

01:51 <Tank_Master> mine is cool ;)

01:51 <Tank_Master> 35c

01:52 <quail> my laptop cpu is 42C atm

01:52 <Bads_Quad> thats great if its crunching

01:53 <Tank_Master> thats not to bad for a laptop

01:53 <efc> they got any dual socket MBs that you can actually buy? I looked around a while back and didn't see any

01:53 <Bads_Quad> what time is it downunder

01:54 <quail> 17:25:20

01:54 <Tank_Master> yes, there are dual socket mobos

01:54 <Bads_Quad> i have seen p3 dual's online efc

01:54 <Tank_Master> but not for the core2 or mid range AMDs

01:54 <quail> Bads_Quad: my laptop does not crunch

01:54 <efc> oh yeah tons of those but i mean modern

01:54 <Tank_Master> the xeons and opterons are dual socket capible

01:54 <efc> i had a dual socket P2 but the MB burned up before I got the 2nd one

01:55 <Bads_Quad> amd k8

01:55 <Tank_Master> I have 3 dual P3 mobos

01:55 <Tank_Master> that might not have one

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01:55 <Tank_Master> the CPU dosent have enough transprts built in to talk to another CPU

01:55 <Tank_Master> hiya yoyo

01:55 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

01:55 <Bads_Quad> wb yoyo

01:55 <Tank_Master> morning?

01:56 <Tank_Master> man, what time is it there?

01:56 <yoyo[RKN]> yeah

01:56 <Bads_Quad> lol

01:56 <Bads_Quad> where

01:56 <yoyo[RKN]> 8 am

01:56 <Tank_Master> its 10:56PM here

01:56 <Bads_Quad> 11:56 here

01:56 <yoyo[RKN]> 07:56am here

01:56 <Bads_Quad> uk

01:57 <yoyo[RKN]> I'm one day ahead

01:57 <yoyo[RKN]> <---- Germany

01:57 <Bads_Quad> ahh i was close

01:58 <Tank_Master> always trying to get ahead of us, arent you?

01:58 <Tank_Master> ;)

01:58 <Bads_Quad> :-)

01:58 <Bads_Quad> well good night all

02:02 <Tank_Master> gn

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02:23 <Tank_Master> wb

02:24 <mweltin> hey

02:24 <yoyo[RKN]> ahoi

02:24 <mweltin> just trying to buid the assimilator now

02:24 <Tank_Master> hows your evening progressing?

02:25 <Romulus> blame Windows for a couple of pills too I emagine :(

02:25 <Tank_Master> how is the assenator comming?

02:25 <mweltin> good I think

02:25 <Tank_Master> good to hear

02:25 <Tank_Master> slowly making progress...

02:26 <yoyo[RKN]> <-- breakfast

02:26 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:26 <mweltin> slowly

02:26 <Tank_Master> what time is it where you are?

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> 8:27am

02:27 <Tank_Master> mw?

02:27 <Tank_Master> 11:27pm here

02:27 <Tank_Master> still saterday

02:27 <mweltin> ahhh 8:30 om

02:27 <mweltin> pm

02:28 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:28 <Tank_Master> 12h appart for u 2

02:29 <mweltin> yeah somewhere in italy is the point fartherest away from us.

02:29 <Tank_Master> :)

02:30 <Tank_Master> I got 16 results pending

02:31 <Tank_Master> its almost like other people have slow comps....

02:31 <mweltin> hahahahaah

02:31 <Tank_Master> oh are running other projects

02:32 <Soul_keeper> wtf

02:33 <mweltin> I dont' want to test it by making it active but I think I will

02:33 <mweltin> I'm too lazy to make a test app.

02:34 <Tank_Master> the first 10 rtesults

02:34 <Tank_Master> I looked at didnt have any returned except mine

02:34 <Tank_Master> lol mw

02:37 <mweltin> ok its up, I'm just going to watch the log file.

02:37 <Tank_Master> just hit the refresh and said no new work

02:38 <Tank_Master> hiting refresh again...

02:38 <mweltin> I was waiting for PovAddict to mirror my apps

02:38 <Tank_Master> no work avalible

02:38 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:38 <Tank_Master> ok

02:38 <mweltin> I'll release a 100 tonight

02:38 <mweltin> bandwidth is not too bad at night.

02:39 <mweltin> I stripped the apps so they are not too big.

02:39 <Tank_Master> who's night?

02:39 <mweltin> mine

02:39 <Tank_Master> is there such a thing as night with BOINC?

02:39 <Tank_Master> :)

02:39 <mweltin> no

02:42 <mweltin> m mmmmmmmmm nothing yet

02:42 <Tank_Master> pov went to bed already...

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02:46 <mweltin> ok one failed attempt

02:47 <mweltin> some bad sql

02:47 <Tank_Master> :)

02:47 <Tank_Master> im gonna go take a quick shower

02:47 <Tank_Master> so ill bbl

02:48 <mweltin> ok

02:48 <mweltin> you may be the first witness to the full working TSP.

02:52 <yoyo[RKN]> is it working now?

02:56 <mweltin> not yet

02:57 <mweltin> I think I got it this time.

02:57 <yoyo[RKN]> I have still one old wu in my boinc manager

02:58 <yoyo[RKN]> BF_60_0

02:59 <mweltin> there are about 1k results out there last time I looked.

03:06 <mweltin> yoyo I'm getting an assimilator error

03:06 <mweltin> I don't know how to fix it.

03:07 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm

03:07 <yoyo[RKN]> I use the sample_assimilator

03:07 <mweltin> [CRITICAL] [BF_312] handler returned error 256

03:07 <mweltin> I did too, but added some stuff

03:07 <mweltin> even sample is failing

03:08 <mweltin> I switched out the assimilators.

03:08 <yoyo[RKN]> I modified only the sample_validator

03:09 <mweltin> my assimilator failed on one WU and that is the one giving me all the troule

03:17 <mweltin> cp: missing destination file operand after

03:17 <mweltin> I don't konw how to get around that

03:20 <Tank_Master> is it working now?

03:21 <mweltin> no, and now both the sample_assimilator and mine are crashing

03:21 <Tank_Master> hehe

03:21 <mweltin> its trying to copy a file

03:21 <Tank_Master> man, good times, eh?

03:21 <mweltin> but it does'nt give it a destination.

03:21 <mweltin> this sucks

03:21 <mweltin> the whole thing is f

03:21 <Tank_Master> I hear ya

03:21 <mweltin> ed now

03:21 <Tank_Master> programing can be a pain when it doesnt work as expected

03:26 <mweltin> fixed

03:26 <Tank_Master> congrats!

03:26 * Tank_Master hits the update button repeadly

03:26 <mweltin> well, lets not get ahead of our selves.

03:26 <Tank_Master> hehe

03:27 <Tank_Master> to late

03:28 <mweltin> OH yeah!

03:28 <mweltin> it works

03:28 <Tank_Master> nice

03:28 <mweltin> the id on my paths table is the opaque field in the WU talble

03:28 <mweltin> when the workuint goes out half of the paths fields are filled in

03:28 <Tank_Master> and I got work

03:29 <mweltin> and upon assimilation the rest are

03:29 <Tank_Master> and it did download 2.09

03:29 <mweltin> id 411 worked like a charm.

03:29 <mweltin> SWEET!

03:29 <mweltin> ok its bed time for me.

03:29 <Tank_Master> will, I guess I should say "is", not "did"

03:29 <Tank_Master> hehe

03:29 <mweltin> glad you where here to see the birth of TSP as a real project.

03:29 <Tank_Master> so do we now have a coninious supply?

03:29 <Tank_Master> :P

03:30 <mweltin> sort of

03:30 <mweltin> the work generator is on super low

03:31 <mweltin> runs once a day and only generates 100 WU's

03:31 <mweltin> I'll crank out a bunch by hand now.

03:31 <mweltin> but its been a long day.

03:31 <Tank_Master> gonna test it

03:32 <mweltin> crap

03:32 <mweltin> my genWork just crapped out

03:32 <Tank_Master> just updated 12 comps

03:32 <Tank_Master> lol

03:32 <Tank_Master> I got 9, but I dont know how old they are

03:33 <Tank_Master> it is d/ling

03:35 <Tank_Master> im gettin a 1k xfer now

03:35 <Tank_Master> .99

03:35 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

03:37 <mweltin> its an fopen call that fails

03:37 <mweltin> on a file that is world readable

03:37 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

03:37 <Tank_Master> ?

03:38 <mweltin> hahah runs well if I'm in bin

03:38 <mweltin> but bin/genWork doens't run

03:38 <Tank_Master> odd

03:38 <mweltin> mental note.

03:38 <mweltin> very

03:38 <mweltin> no worries

03:38 <mweltin> I'm out

03:38 <Tank_Master> good think Im updating everything now

03:38 <Tank_Master> :P

03:38 <mweltin> glad you where here

03:38 <Tank_Master> tc man

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05:12 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

05:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 36.5F / 2.5C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 2.3mph / 3.7km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 30s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. Warmer with highs in the lower 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

05:13 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

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07:03 <CoderForLife> hello desti ELGono

07:03 <desti> hi

07:16 <ELGono> http://blog.slash-me.net/uploads/abbe-platz1-klein.jpg

07:16 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-CL> (at blog.slash-me.net)

07:16 <ELGono> http://blog.slash-me.net/uploads/mensa-klein.jpg

07:16 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-CN> (at blog.slash-me.net)

07:17 <ELGono> http://blog.slash-me.net/uploads/abbe-platz2-klein.jpg

07:17 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-CO> (at blog.slash-me.net)

07:17 <ELGono> some pix of our videoinstallation an friday

07:17 <ELGono> it was so wicked

07:18 <ELGono> sorry dudes, i forgot to post the streaming link friday in here

07:18 <ELGono> but on demand stream will be online soon

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08:01 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

08:01 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 37F / 3C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h ; Today - Cloudy with a 30 percent chance of rain. Cooler. High in the mid 40s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 30s. Southeast wind around 10 mph.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Warmer. High in the upper 60s. Southwest wind 10 (1 more message)

08:01 <wdsmia> &more

08:01 <Romulus> wdsmia: to 15 mph.;

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08:25 <CoderForLife> hello wdsmia

08:26 <CoderForLife> you sending that rain chance to me tomorrow?

08:31 <wdsmia> mornin CoderForLife

08:31 <wdsmia> it will be snow by the time it reaches you lol

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08:32 <CoderForLife> gee thanks =)

08:32 <Bads_Quad> morning

08:33 <wdsmia> *lo BBQ

08:33 <CoderForLife> we had our first few snow flurries last Thursday at about noon

08:33 <CoderForLife> hello Quadrophenia

08:33 <Bads_Quad> lol

08:33 <Bads_Quad> great album

08:39 <CoderForLife> "Is it me?  For a moment?"

08:40 <MTughan> No, it's never you. :P

08:40 <CoderForLife> Hey, it's all about me, Michael.

08:41 <MTughan> lol

08:44 * CoderForLife finds himself whistling the overture to Quadrophenia, for some reason

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08:54 <MTughan> So Bads_Quad: How's the new quad-core?

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08:54 <MTughan> lol on the quit message...

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11:35 <MTughan> PovAddict: IMPFarm forums dipped into German again.

11:36 <MTughan> Did you do a server update?

11:37 <CoderForLife> looks like I'll be away for awhile for Stephen's birthday dinner

11:37 <CoderForLife> (once he gets up)

11:38 <CoderForLife> he turns 23 tomorrow, but has classes until late in the evening

11:39 <CoderForLife> laterzzzzz....

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13:11 <freelarry> quit morning so far

13:12 <freelarry> quiet that is

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13:36 <MTughan> Ah, hello mweltin.

13:36 <MTughan> Still no luck on expat. I have no idea what's wrong.

13:37 <mweltin> Thats ok man thank you for trying.

13:37 <mweltin> crunch3r made one mac app for me.

13:37 <mweltin> intel

13:37 <MTughan> Updated to the latest version?

13:37 <mweltin> no powerpc

13:37 <mweltin> yex

13:37 <mweltin> yes*

13:37 <MTughan> Well, that works for now.

13:38 <mweltin> yup

13:38 <MTughan> Actually, I have one more idea...

13:39 <mweltin> do you know who chris Multon is?

13:39 <MTughan> Nope, never heard of him.

13:39 <mweltin> he run the boincproejctstatus.ath.cx page

13:39 <mweltin> I fogot how to get into the admin section.

13:40 <mweltin> Last night I put the final touch on the assimilator, we are going to be out of beta very soon.

13:40 <mweltin> progress bar needs a (* 100) for fraction done I think.

13:41 <mweltin> but I can sneak that in anytime.

13:41 <Romulus> then 3200GB is a big mirror in space, but would we like to get the replacement server up on me and it runs an agp 6800gs

13:42 <mweltin> what?

13:42 <MTughan> It's a bot.

13:42 <mweltin> oh it's rom

13:42 <mweltin> yeah, I just didn't notice it was from Rom

13:44 <mweltin> where is everyone on a sunday?

13:44 <MTughan> No idea.

13:45 <BadBarbarian> morning all

13:46 <mweltin> vim has code folding!

13:46 <mweltin> who knew

13:49 <freelarry> if things work out here for me - what sort of connection and space would make a good mirror site?

13:49 <mweltin> are you asking me?

13:49 <freelarry> asking in general

13:50 <MTughan> mweltin: -lboinc_api -lboinc /Users/mtughan/boinc/expat-$$arch/lib/libexpat.a -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz -lpthread -lm -lgcc -lstdc++ -lgcc_eh -lc

13:50 <freelarry> still putting together a new box on c2d

13:50 <MTughan> Look good?

13:50 <MTughan> -lexpat doesn't make a difference compared to /Users/mtughan/boinc/expat-$$arch/lib/libexpat.a

13:50 <mweltin> any mega bit connection

13:51 <mweltin> and a few spare gigs

13:51 <mweltin> 30 would be plenty

13:51 <mweltin> but I guess it depends a lot on the project.

13:51 <freelarry> so at least a 1MB upload - planning on 2 500gig drives

13:51 <mweltin> MTughan:

13:51 <MTughan> Gah... Same without.

13:51 <mweltin> I dont see a static flag

13:52 <MTughan> You can't use -static here, because some of the libraries are dynamic only.

13:52 <mweltin> which one?

13:52 <MTughan> /var/tmp//ccdw0f7d.s:3754:FATAL:incompatible feature used: section type non_lazy_symbol_pointers (must specify "-dynamic" to be used)

13:52 <MTughan> I think it's libSystem.dylib.

13:53 <mweltin> looks low level enough to be part of the OS, is that true?

13:53 <MTughan> I believe so. Previous app dynamically linked against it.

13:53 <MTughan> That was the one that worked.

13:54 <MTughan> PovAddict: How large should a typical archive be?

13:54 <mweltin> ok, looks good to me.

13:55 <MTughan> I get the same errors with -lexpat or libexpat.a as without.

13:56 <MTughan> My libexpat.a is 408KB for Intel, 340KB for PPC.

13:56 <mweltin> they should be the same if you use the -static (which we can't)

13:56 <mweltin> 60kb is not much

13:56 <mweltin> I think its safe to assume they are the same.

13:56 <MTughan> That is, if they're complete...

13:57 <mweltin> good point

13:57 <MTughan> Well, the shared is 348KB...

13:58 <MTughan> Wait, I have a libexpat.a that's 600KB...

13:58 <PovAddict> mweltin: vim always has features you don't know of

13:59 <mweltin> mmmmmm the plot thickens.

13:59 <PovAddict> MTughan: a .a should be as big as all its .o's together

13:59 <MTughan> I don't know where those are though.

13:59 <PovAddict> well but it depends on the library

13:59 <PovAddict> some have bigger compiled code :)

14:00 <PovAddict> if I compile povray with debugging enabled and make an archive of all its object files, I get a 100MB archive

14:00 <PovAddict> extremely lowered if I strip debugging symbols

14:00 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : Should the server stopped if I backup mysql?

14:00 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: what server?

14:00 <yoyo[RKN]> boinc server

14:00 <PovAddict> yes, and touch stop_web

14:01 <mweltin> PovAddict: I got the new assimilator up and running.  Opaque field rocks, thanks.

14:01 <PovAddict> ideally nothing should be writing to the DB while you back it up

14:01 <yoyo[RKN]> what is this file for?

14:01 <MTughan> I've got three .o's in expat-2.0.1/lib... Add up to 612KB.

14:01 <yoyo[RKN]> *was grammar right?*

14:01 <mweltin> yeah stop_web never heard of it.

14:01 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: stops anything from accessing the DB, including the webpages

14:02 <mweltin> yoyo don't give your grammar a second thought.

14:02 <MTughan> Four more .o's in expat-2.0.1/xmlwf, add up to 108KB...

14:02 <yoyo[RKN]> and bin/start deletes the file stop_web?

14:03 <PovAddict> I'm not sure

14:03 <PovAddict> doesn't really matter; delete it yourself if it doesn't

14:03 <mweltin> yoyo[RKN]: funny story, when I lived in Germany I was in 6th grade, and the German kids in my class did better than I did in spelling and grammar in out English class.

14:03 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

14:03 <MTughan> Oh, I know why the other one's bigger! It's got both Intel and PPC bundles in it!

14:04 <mweltin> MTughan: if you want to add a 100 * multiplier to the progress you can.

14:05 <MTughan> I want to get this built first.

14:05 <mweltin> I just watched a task go from .996% done to 100%

14:05 <PovAddict> mweltin: no

14:05 <PovAddict> progress has to be 0..1

14:05 <mweltin> really its supposed to be like that?

14:05 <mweltin> ahhh

14:05 <PovAddict> ohwait... you used the two loops?

14:05 <MTughan> Yep.

14:05 <mweltin> yup

14:06 <mweltin> MTughan: set it up so each inner loop does 1% of the work.

14:06 <PovAddict> let me see that code...

14:06 <PovAddict> updating svn

14:07 <PovAddict> loopctr reaches 399168

14:07 <PovAddict> so you should be dividing it by 399168, not 39916800

14:08 <MTughan> Tell me when SVN is updated, and I'll update my copy.

14:08 <mweltin> fixed

14:08 <mweltin> jas

14:09 <mweltin> done

14:10 <MTughan> Updated.

14:10 <mweltin> I should add the user/team to my database that keep tracks of paths.

14:10 <mweltin> moving stuff to a database is going to rock.

14:10 <mweltin> now I can keep all optimal pahts where before I was just holding on to one of them.

14:10 <MTughan> I think I just found a spelling mistake...

14:11 <mweltin> there is a shocker.

14:11 <PovAddict> lol

14:11 <PovAddict> "One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor."

14:11 <mweltin> me and a spelling mistake

14:11 <MTughan> Check line 127. There's a few.

14:11 <MTughan> Error message.

14:11 <mweltin> that will go to a log file, and I'll never notice a spelling error.

14:12 <PovAddict> fix anyways

14:12 <MTughan> And why is perror used in one error catch, but not another?

14:13 <mweltin> I never use the try/catch so that was copied from somewhere else.

14:13 <mweltin> I'm real bad when it comes ot error checking.

14:13 <mweltin> real bad.

14:13 <MTughan> Not actually a try/catch. if statement.

14:14 <mweltin> you mean perror vs. fprintf(stderr ?

14:14 <MTughan> Second uses both.

14:15 <PovAddict> seh rocks

14:15 <MTughan> Starting at line 151.

14:15 <mweltin> yeah I'm there.

14:15 <mweltin> I picked that code out of upper_case example.

14:15 <mweltin> I don't konw what perror does.

14:16 <PovAddict> looks up the error message matching with the code

14:16 <PovAddict> works only for system calls

14:17 <mweltin> Well to answer MTughan's question it's there because I just did a lazy cut and paste from uppercase

14:18 <MTughan> Oh well. I've still got to figure out what's wrong with expat...

14:21 <mweltin> so PovAddict this is my plan for the work generator.   I set it up as a task in config.xml.  It looks at the number of results ready to send and divides that by the ntarget value (now 3) to estimate the number of WU's waiting.  Then subtracts that number from 100 to figure out how many more WU's to make.

14:22 <mweltin> I'm not sure how often to run it to make sure everyone always has work.

14:22 <PovAddict> just enough to avoid the queue to drain...

14:23 <mweltin> are you sure?  because that wasn't obvious.

14:24 <yoyo[RKN]> in _ops you can see how many wus return in 24h. I tuned my work_generator to have nearly 5 times of that as unsent

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14:24 <mweltin> and when you say queue you mean the ready_to_send results right?

14:25 <MTughan> PovAddict: What's -ldl, -lz, -lm, and -lc?

14:25 <mweltin> m is math, z is zip c and dl I forget.

14:25 <mweltin> you need the z, but I have no idea why.

14:27 <MTughan> Funny. Compiling with dynamic expat and no -lz works fine.

14:27 <mweltin> ditch the z

14:27 <MTughan> Whoa... Same thing with -lm.

14:28 <mweltin> ditch it

14:29 <MTughan> And -ldl and -lc... Gonna go through some of the other obvious ones.

14:29 <MTughan> -lgcc_eh isn't needed?

14:30 <MTughan> Same with -lgg.

14:30 <MTughan> -lgcc

14:30 <MTughan> Still linked against libgcc, so it must do it automatically.

14:30 <PovAddict> I removed all those because they aren't there on mingw

14:31 <mweltin> -lexpat -lssl -lcrypto -lpthread  -lstdc++ I'm down to these and it still builds fine

14:31 <MTughan> Wow... -lpthread isn't needed either, along with -lstdc++

14:31 <PovAddict> pthread is needed on linux

14:31 <PovAddict> try removing ssl&crypto

14:32 <MTughan> I'm down to -lboinc_api -lboinc -lexpat -lssl -lcrypto

14:32 <MTughan> Builds without ssl and crypto.

14:32 <mweltin> I dropped ssl and crypto and it still worked.

14:32 <PovAddict> pthread is probably needed on linux, can't be used on windows, and now we find it's not needed on mac

14:33 <mweltin> yup linux needs pthread

14:33 <MTughan> That significantly shortens my include and library strings, not that two paths (libz and libssl/libcrypto) aren't needed.

14:33 <MTughan> now*

14:34 <MTughan> Heh. I figured. -lboinc is needed.

14:35 <mweltin> yeah you may want to keep that one.

14:35 <MTughan> lol

14:37 <MTughan> Okay, now dynamically linked against 4 libraries: libSystem, libgcc_s, libstdc++, and libexpat.

14:37 <MTughan> libexpat's the one that's gotta be worked out.

14:38 <mweltin> I'm going to move on to some fun stuff.  On my shortest path webpage I want to give credit to user/team so I need to add that to my database.

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14:38 <mweltin> I'm generating work every hour

14:39 <mweltin> we will see if that fills the queue

14:39 <MTughan> And now down from about 10-14 terminal windows to 5.

14:39 <mweltin> LOL

14:40 <PovAddict> legal stuff sucks

14:40 <mweltin> one of the coolest things linux/anything but windows has is the multiple desktops

14:40 <mweltin> PovAddict: very much so

14:40 <MTughan> I've never been able to get used to a virtual desktop...

14:40 <PovAddict> I compiled povray for windows without the GUI and gave it to someone who needed to call it from another app

14:41 <PovAddict> (the splash screen was getting too annoying)

14:41 <PovAddict> first reply I get "Btw, are you sure your distribution above complies with the POV-Ray distribution license?"

14:41 <PovAddict> ok... so I need to read the three pages of license before helping somebody?

14:42 <mweltin> send then the license and ask them

14:42 <PovAddict> I can't wait for them to go GPL... but that means an almost-full rewrite and that will take a few years :)

14:42 <MTughan> PovAddict: Where could undefined symbols come from? From a header file, or from an app?

14:42 <PovAddict> an app is trying to use a function that isn't being linked in

14:43 <PovAddict> it *could* be that a header is defining it differently than what the actual function is on the library... but somewhat unlikely

14:43 <MTughan> Any way to discover where it's coming from?

14:44 <mweltin> there is a way to look at a .a or .so for what is defined in it,but I'm sorry I don't know how.

14:45 <PovAddict> what symbol is it?

14:45 <mweltin> I did it once a long time ago, but have had no luck finding that information again.

14:45 <MTughan> I'll let otool take a crack at it...

14:45 <PovAddict> wtf

14:45 <MTughan> _XML_ErrorString, _XML_GetCurrentLineNumber, _XML_GetErrorCode, _XML_Parse, _XML_ParserCreate, _XML_SetCharacterDataHandler, and _XML_SetElementHandler

14:45 <PovAddict> it rained a short while ago

14:46 <PovAddict> now the sun is coming through the window

14:46 <PovAddict> and it's 27C inside

14:46 <MTughan> Looking at expat.h, the preceeding underscores are added.

14:46 <PovAddict> hey and it's C!

14:46 <MTughan> Yeah, it's also summer for you.

14:46 <PovAddict> if it was C++, you would have a lot more junk added to the symbol name than just an underscore

14:46 <MTughan> It's C.

14:47 <MTughan> Judging by...

14:47 <MTughan> #ifdef __cplusplus

14:47 <MTughan> extern "C" {

14:47 <MTughan> #endif

14:47 <PovAddict> in the header?

14:47 <MTughan> Yep.

14:47 <mweltin> expat is C

14:47 <mweltin> not C++

14:48 <mweltin> there was no love getting a C++ xml parser going.

14:48 <mweltin> xml++ would work but it had to functions (which I didn't use) require dynamic linking.

14:48 <MTughan> Gah, I have no idea where to look for the function definition...

14:49 <mweltin> xercesC was too much of a pain to get working, I could compile an app with it, but I'd always sigsegv out during their constructor call.

14:49 <MTughan> Ouch...

14:50 * PovAddict catches fire

14:50 <mweltin> did you try expat.h

14:50 <MTughan> For what?

14:50 <mweltin> functin defs

14:50 <MTughan> That's where I got the original function calls.

14:51 <PovAddict> is the expat.h from the "same place" as the lib?

14:51 <PovAddict> make sure you aren't using the system-installed expat.h and your self-compiled lib

14:51 <MTughan> Same directory? Should be.

14:52 <MTughan> Now they are, and same error. Well, they should be anyway... Let me check the include paths.

14:52 <PovAddict> add a -I switch pointing to the local .h directory

14:52 <MTughan> It's already there.

14:53 <PovAddict> AND change the #include to use quotes instead of angle brackets

14:53 <MTughan> No diff.

14:54 <PovAddict> edit that expat.h, add an #error somewhere, so you know for sure if it's using that one

14:54 <MTughan> The include directories printed on gcc -v: Is that the order it searches in?

14:54 <MTughan> #error?

14:54 <PovAddict> or #warning "YES I'M BEING INCLUDED"

14:54 <mweltin> brb

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14:55 <MTughan> Yep.

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14:55 <MTughan> Got the warning.

14:55 <MTughan> On multiple files too, so I know it's using the right one for all compiled files.

14:56 <PovAddict> *lost*

14:56 <MTughan> The only thing I can think of is that it's a misnamed function.

14:56 <MTughan> But as you said, that's highly unlikely.

14:57 <BadBarbarian> can you guys give me some advice i need a new cpu fan my quad is running at 60c the case is very tight at the mb level

14:57 <BadBarbarian> i am looking at this fan

14:58 <BadBarbarian> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3071635&Sku=T925-1199

14:58 <Romulus> Title: Thermaltake V1 Multi-Socket 775AM2939754 Copper CPU Cooler CL-P0401 at TigerDirect.com (at www.tigerdirect.com)

14:59 <MTughan> Well... I have about 50 files open right now to search for functions...

15:00 <PovAddict> grep -r!

15:00 <MTughan> TextWrangler, can search multiple files.

15:01 <MTughan> Um... Okay, 1526 occurances of "error"...

15:01 <MTughan> 14 occurances of "ErrorString"... Start there for the first symbol...

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15:03 <MTughan> Oh, found the function def!

15:04 <MTughan> PovAddict: "const XML_LChar * XMLCALL XML_ErrorString(enum XML_Error code) {"

15:05 <MTughan> And from expat.h: "XML_ErrorString(enum XML_Error code);"

15:05 <MTughan> Any idea what it means?

15:07 <PovAddict> where is the def?

15:07 <MTughan> lib/xmlparse.c, line 1847.

15:08 <PovAddict> is xmlparse.o on the archive?

15:08 <MTughan> That's what I'm checking...

15:08 <PovAddict> ar t /path/to/libexpat.a

15:08 <MTughan> Oh, that's helps...

15:09 <MTughan> Yes.

15:09 <MTughan> xmlparse.o

15:09 <MTughan> xmltok.o

15:09 <MTughan> xmlrole.o

15:09 <PovAddict> then I dont get it

15:09 <PovAddict> if you're linking libexpat.a then why is the symbol undefined???

15:10 <MTughan> C doesn't check arguments, does it?

15:10 <MTughan> C++ does...

15:11 <PovAddict> it can't, it just checks for the symbol name

15:11 <PovAddict> in C++, the argument types are encoded in that junk attached to the name

15:11 <MTughan> What's "const XML_LChar * XMLCALL"?

15:11 <PovAddict> (that's how the overloads work)

15:11 <MTughan> I don't think it's a pointer reference.

15:11 <PovAddict> it returns a pointer to a constant XML_Lchar

15:11 <MTughan> What about the space there?

15:12 <PovAddict> int *a, int* a, int * a, are all valid

15:12 <PovAddict> probably int*a too

15:13 <MTughan> Huh...

15:13 <MTughan> Whoa... XMLCALL appears in the next undefined symbol too...

15:14 <PovAddict> hmmm

15:14 <PovAddict> does the .h have XMLCALL?

15:15 <MTughan> Not what it's defined to be.

15:16 <MTughan> In a typedef struct: "void (XMLCALL *release)(void *data);"

15:16 <PovAddict> XMLCALL is probably a define somewhere

15:16 <MTughan> There is another header...

15:16 <PovAddict> does XML_ErrorString on the .h have XMLCALL?

15:16 <MTughan> Got it... #define XMLCALL __cdecl

15:17 <MTughan> Oddly enough, no. XMLPARSEAPI(const XML_LChar *) XML_ErrorString(enum XML_Error code);

15:17 <PovAddict> damned defines - what's XMLPARSEAPI?

15:17 <PovAddict> I'll do my guess: #define XMLPARSEAPI(type) type XMLCALL

15:17 <quail> morning all, how are we all?

15:18 <MTughan> lol

15:18 <MTughan> 'lo quail

15:18 <MTughan> Damn... So close there PovAddict! "#define XMLPARSEAPI(type) XMLIMPORT type XMLCALL"

15:18 * quail feels like death warmed up

15:19 <PovAddict> well sorry but I giev up

15:19 <MTughan> #ifdef XML_USE_MSC_EXTENSIONS

15:19 <MTughan> Microsoft extensions?

15:19 <PovAddict> ewww

15:19 <MTughan> If so, XMLIMPORT is blank.

15:20 <PovAddict> yeah that's probably the dllimport mess needed for .dll's on Windoze

15:20 <MTughan> #define XMLIMPORT __declspec(dllimport)

15:20 <MTughan> yep.

15:20 * quail been up all night researching this >>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/me-tv/+spec/built-in-scanner

15:20 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Fk> (at blueprints.launchpad.net)

15:20 <MTughan> What will be used: "#define XMLIMPORT"

15:20 <PovAddict> then yeah

15:21 <PovAddict> the .c and .h have the same declaration so we're fine

15:21 <MTughan> Hmm... So why is it still undefined then? (Not expecting you to answer, my own pondering)

15:23 <MTughan> Do you know if expat has an SVN repository?

15:23 <PovAddict> what version do you have?

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15:23 <MTughan> Oh, CVS...

15:23 <MTughan> 2.0.1.

15:23 <Romulus> yeah E-30 - get an account @BAM! and auto-login there

15:24 <PovAddict> lol @ BB's quit message

15:24 <MTughan> Should I try 2.0?

15:24 <PovAddict> worth a try

15:24 <PovAddict> brb

15:25 <PovAddict> have a look at my rant/pondering on ##konfabulator when you have time :>

15:25 <MTughan> Yeah.

15:26 <MTughan> Damn it... Still the errors.

15:30 <MTughan> WTF? All the undefined symbols are coming from tspParse.cpp...

15:30 <MTughan> tspParser.cpp*

15:30 <MTughan> So it might be how I'm compiling them in then.

15:32 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do I have to tell gcc to compile the .o's as well as bruteForce.cpp?

15:33 <MTughan> Hmm... Apparently.

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15:41 <MTughan> lo zombie

15:41 <zombie67> hi

15:41 <Tank_Master> zombie!

15:41 <zombie67> TM!

15:41 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

15:41 <Tank_Master> I need your help with something

15:41 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a cushioned penguin

15:41 <zombie67> quick question:  which 64 bit BOINC client should I use?

15:42 <Tank_Master> the latest will work

15:42 <Tank_Master> 5.10.30

15:42 <zombie67> what about crunch3r's versions?

15:42 <Tank_Master> those dont work

15:42 <zombie67> ok

15:43 <zombie67> MT:  how are the mac apps for TSP comming?

15:43 <Tank_Master> and the naming convetion is different, so you wont get work from all the projects

15:43 <MTughan> zombie67: Having linking errors.

15:43 <zombie67> good to know.  thanks

15:43 <MTughan> Actually, that's a bit of an understatement...

15:43 <MTughan> I even got PovAddict stumped.

15:43 <zombie67> ok.  just curious.  I can wait

15:43 <zombie67> maybe crunch3r can hel?

15:43 <zombie67> help?

15:43 <MTughan> That's what I'm thinking now.

15:44 <zombie67> he did the mac apps for aps

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15:45 <Tank_Master> is NNSIMU Project

15:45 <Tank_Master> dead?

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15:45 <MTughan> mw_away: Do you have to use expat?

15:45 <zombie67> I havn't gotten work from them for over a week now

15:46 <Tank_Master> yesterday I tryed going to theis site and just got a 404 error

15:46 <Tank_Master> their*

15:46 <zombie67> TM:  does the 5.10.13 of the 64 bit client work?

15:46 <Tank_Master> yeah

15:46 <zombie67> cool

15:47 <Tank_Master> do you know what NCSSM Grid Computing Project

15:47 <Tank_Master> dose?

15:48 <zombie67> NNsimu site was working until very recently.  the worked stopped well before te site went down

15:48 <MTughan> Hmm... I have an idea...

15:48 <Tank_Master> uh oh

15:48 <Tank_Master> MT has an idea...

15:48 <zombie67> neural network.....

15:48 <MTughan> lol

15:49 <Tank_Master> I can kind a discription anywhere for NCSSM Grid Computing Project

15:49 <Tank_Master> cant*

15:49 <zombie67> this is my guessing:  http://boincstats.com/forum/forum_thread.php?id=2631&nowrap=true#26192

15:49 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-G2> (at boincstats.com)

15:50 <MTughan> PovAddict: Could it work if I tried compiling in the .o's from expat?

15:50 <PovAddict> what file is XML_ErrorString in again?

15:51 <MTughan> lib/xmlparse.c

15:51 <PovAddict> try linking with xmlparse.o, removing the .a

15:51 <MTughan> It's actually xmlparse.lo.

15:51 <PovAddict> really?

15:51 <PovAddict> how big is it?

15:52 <MTughan> Oh, there is an xmlparse.o.

15:52 <MTughan> .lo is 4KB.

15:52 <PovAddict> you MUST use the .o, the .lo is the tiny stub you link with for dynamic linking

15:52 <PovAddict> well actually... how big is the .o

15:52 <MTughan> 164KB.

15:53 <PovAddict> link with the xmlparse.o

15:53 <MTughan> I tried...

15:53 <PovAddict> XML_ErrorString undefined?

15:53 <MTughan> Hold on...

15:54 <MTughan> Ah, there's the errors. Wrong paths.

15:54 <MTughan> This is really annoying. Works fine.

15:55 <MTughan> Now to get the .o's for PPC, and we'll have our apps.

15:55 <MTughan> Yep, links are fine.

16:00 <MTughan> PovAddict: You want the apps, or mweltin (mw_away ATM)? Or both?

16:01 <MTughan> Well, you can both have it.

16:01 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/tsp.tar.bz2

16:01 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-5w> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

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16:06 <mweltin> hey

16:06 <mweltin> ppc is fine.

16:06 <mweltin> I have to go to an umu (traditional samonan BBQ)

16:06 <MTughan> Unless PPC machines came with expat, it isn't.

16:06 <Tank_Master> hey!

16:06 <mweltin> hey tank

16:07 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a flying dummy

16:07 <mweltin> work units should be pumped out every hour.

16:07 <mweltin> you guys have fun crunching

16:07 <mweltin> I' have to take off.

16:07 <MTughan> Bye.

16:07 <mweltin> I won't beback for a few hours.

16:08 <mweltin> thanks for all your help MTughan

16:08 <MTughan> What about the Mac apps?

16:08 <Tank_Master> hf

16:08 <PovAddict> zombie67: ping

16:08 <Tank_Master> pong

16:08 <PovAddict> zombie67: want the apps and an app_info.xml?

16:08 <mweltin> I'll have to deal with those when i get back.

16:08 <mweltin> sorry

16:08 <MTughan> Remember, you deprecated them?

16:08 <MTughan> Okay.

16:08 <Tank_Master> you going diving again?

16:08 <mweltin> there is the intel mac app

16:08 <MTughan> It's up?

16:08 <mweltin> no Tank_Master umu

16:08 <mweltin> should be

16:09 <MTughan> Okay...

16:09 <mweltin> gotta run

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16:10 <MTughan> As of 20 seconds ago, no work.

16:10 <PovAddict> I have one on queue

16:10 <MTughan> I don't have any.

16:10 <PovAddict> 54.8%

16:11 <PovAddict> (actually 0.548%)

16:11 <Tank_Master> 11/18/2007 1:09:37 PM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: no work from project

16:11 <MTughan> I burned through about 7 by moving a dynamic library. Hehe...

16:11 <PovAddict> but been running for an hour so I have the broke app

16:11 <MTughan> That's Windows though, isn't it?

16:11 <PovAddict> yeah

16:11 <zombie67> back

16:11 <PovAddict> I might build it myself

16:12 <MTughan> Well, the new Mac apps are the latest build.

16:12 <PovAddict> with targeted-at-my-CPU optimizations

16:12 <MTughan> Of course, they're not up yet.

16:12 <zombie67> thanks.  I can wait

16:12 <PovAddict> zombie67: seems there's no work anyway

16:12 <MTughan> PovAddict: Offered an app_info.xml for the new app, but yeah no work.

16:12 <MTughan> -:

16:13 <zombie67> great newas about the optimizations for the mac apps

16:13 <MTughan> Oh?

16:13 <zombie67> misunderstood

16:13 <zombie67> thought pov was talking about the mac apps

16:14 <zombie67> really about the win apps, right?

16:14 <MTughan> Hehe... No, no new optimizations on the Mac apps.

16:14 <PovAddict> no I was going to compile the app (on windoze) for *my* CPU without caring about any compatibility, just to do it faster myself

16:15 <MTughan> Do you know of any optimizations Intel CPUs can take that would speed TSP up, besides 64-bit?

16:15 <PovAddict> well I know some source-level optimizations I could do, that would work on any CPU, but I'd need to see if they give compatible results

16:16 <PovAddict> and I cba

16:16 <MTughan> For 64-bit, I think I need to wait for Leopard.

16:16 <Tank_Master> waa hoo!

16:16 <Tank_Master> I got work

16:16 <Tank_Master> well, ok, its for ABC

16:17 <MTughan> I don't seem to have the right headers.

16:17 <MTughan> TM: ?

16:17 <MTughan> lol

16:18 <PovAddict> MTughan: what for, to build 64-bit apps?

16:18 <MTughan> Yeah.

16:18 <PovAddict> you need to get a 64-bit-targeted compiler

16:18 <MTughan> What's the -m64 for then?

16:18 <PovAddict> did you try it, does it work?

16:19 <MTughan> Tried it, doesn't quite work.

16:19 <PovAddict> on my mingw gcc, I get "64-bit support wasn't compiled in"

16:19 <MTughan> Problem is in a Framework.

16:19 <Romulus> looks like we are not part of TSP?

16:19 <MTughan> /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/MachineExceptions.h:286: error: typedef 'ExceptionHandlerProcPtr' is initialized (use __typeof__ instead)

16:20 <MTughan> That's one of 7 errors from that header.

16:20 * Tank_Master hands a broken .Net framework 4.7 to MTughan

16:20 <MTughan> There's also: /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Headers/fp.h:1338: error: 'SIGDIGLEN' was not declared in this scope

16:20 <PovAddict> ZOMG .NET

16:20 <PovAddict> *explodes*

16:20 <Tank_Master> :)

16:20 * MTughan bats it off with Darwin :D

16:21 * Tank_Master 's .net framwork servived darwan and went on to evolve

16:21 <PovAddict> and evolved from 1.0 to 1.1

16:21 <MTughan> No, Darwin. As in Mac OS X.

16:21 <PovAddict> breaking most existing apps

16:21 <zombie67> cosmo:  server is out of disk space

16:22 <Tank_Master> zombie, stop torturing cosmo's disk space

16:23 <MTughan> Hey, what in TSP needs Carbon anyway? It's a graphics system!

16:23 <Tank_Master> its to make the carbon copies

16:24 <PovAddict> as fuel?

16:24 <MTughan> Okay, I need a Mac guy... zombie67?

16:25 <MTughan> Hmm... Wonder if I can grab the Framework from a Leopard system and insert it in my Tiger system?

16:26 <PovAddict> that's prone to exploding

16:27 <zombie67> sup?

16:27 <MTughan> Do you know why TSP would need Carbon?

16:27 <zombie67> way over my head

16:27 <MTughan> Crap...

16:27 <zombie67> not a progeammer at all

16:27 <PovAddict> maybe it's the compiler using it by default

16:27 <zombie67> last attempt was with basic in grade school

16:28 <Tank_Master> hehe

16:28 <Tank_Master> basic

16:48 <MTughan> Whoa... I can compile this in Xcode, it seems...

16:54 <zombie67> bbl

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17:11 <MTughan> Holy crap! 3916 warnings on a build in Xcode!

17:13 * CoderForLife looks in on #boinc

17:14 * MTughan hits CoderForLife with a hidden lighting gun

17:14 * CoderForLife burns to a crisp

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17:17 <MTughan> All right, forget Xcode for this.

17:18 <MTughan> 'lo BB

17:21 <quail> CoderForLife: hiya Don, how are you mate?

17:22 <CoderForLife> OK, I reckon - thanks quail

17:22 <quail> :-)

17:25 <MTughan> Hehe... http://home.interlog.com/~kidcare/WorldsEasiestQuiz.html

17:25 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Gj> (at home.interlog.com)

17:25 <MTughan> Java applet.

17:26 <Romulus> caption: March 13: Rare 'snow doughnuts,' formed by the way, i plan on going to be doing beryl

17:27 <BadBarbarian> lo mt

17:27 <MTughan> 'lo BB

17:28 <MTughan> Where's BBQ?

17:28 <BadBarbarian> bads quad is there

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17:28 <MTughan> So he is...

17:28 <MTughan> 'lo Bads_Quad

17:28 <BadBarbarian> lol

17:29 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: I just got Google Groups to crash on me

17:29 <BadBarbarian> its upstairs crunching happily

17:29 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: apparently it's made in Java, and the server was low on memory

17:30 <CoderForLife> that can happen with unmanaged resources

17:31 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/google-groups-error.txt

17:31 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Go> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)

17:31 <MTughan> 1-Go... lol

17:32 <CoderForLife> that sorta looks like the whole server, rather than heap

17:46 <quail> CoderForLife: how was your weekend?

17:47 * CoderForLife looks up from his system design

17:47 <CoderForLife> weekend?

17:48 <CoderForLife> oh, right

17:48 <CoderForLife> tried to figure out changes in health insurance for 2008 yesterday, doing new system design today

17:49 <CoderForLife> did take Stephen out to eat for his birthday, which is tomorrow

17:50 <quail> pass on birthday wishes to him from me :-)

17:51 <CoderForLife> OK

17:51 <CoderForLife> he'll be 23 tomorrow, but will be in class at dinnertime

17:52 <CoderForLife> so I gave him a few more gifts today, his card, etc

17:52 <quail> :-)

18:00 <CoderForLife> He got the new Dell laptop last week.  I gave him Spiderman 3 DVD, Transformers DVD, and two books today.

18:01 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php only has one (python) but i cant even really compare 1 version of svn are you on TSP

18:12 <quail> nice :-)

18:15 <CoderForLife> dindin - bbl

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18:30 <blendtux> yes :) hi people

18:30 <BadBarbarian> hello CFL & Quail

18:31 <PovAddict> hi blendtux

18:31 <BadBarbarian> hi ya Pov

18:31 <blendtux> oke guys i have installed the boinc client

18:31 <BadBarbarian> has anybody here done stardust@home

18:32 <blendtux> but i get error's

18:32 <PovAddict> I have BadBarbarian

18:32 <blendtux> no work available to proces s

18:32 <PovAddict> BadBarbarian:  phase 1 was more fun, now it's a bit frustrating...

18:32 <BadBarbarian> got 7 out of 10 on my first test

18:32 <PovAddict> blendtux: what project?

18:32 <blendtux> ehm the burp project

18:33 <PovAddict> the project is down for maintenance

18:33 <BadBarbarian> need 8 out of 10 to pass

18:33 <PovAddict> go to the website

18:33 <blendtux> oh oke

18:34 <BadBarbarian> i will wait and use my quad its got the best videocard & monitor

18:34 <quail> hi BadBarbarian

18:34 <BadBarbarian> hey quail

18:34 <BadBarbarian> hows life down there

18:35 <quail> really tired

18:35 <BadBarbarian> one more hour i get to go home lol

18:38 <quail> I not slept yet last night, I did try but I just lied the starring into the darkness. So I got up and done some research on this >>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/me-tv/+spec/built-in-scanner

18:38 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Fk> (at blueprints.launchpad.net)

18:38 <BadBarbarian> lol the quad did''nt come with a monitor went into my storage and draged out a 19 in tube monitor god it must weight 90 lbs but it works realy well

18:38 <PovAddict> I had a 17" tube monitor ^^

18:38 <BadBarbarian> hernia time lol

18:39 <PovAddict> I couldn't lift it at all, needed Dad for that

18:39 <quail> I got a 19" widescreen lcd :-)

18:39 <PovAddict> now I have a 19" lcd (not widescreen)

18:39 <quail> &weather ypad

18:39 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 88°F / 31°C | Humidity: 13% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 9:30 AM CST; Clear. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:96 F. / 36 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Rain. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

18:41 <blendtux> is there somebody who is allso doing burp cause i have a couple of questions

18:41 <quail> PovAddict: what the responce time on your lcd mine is 5ms

18:41 <PovAddict> I haven't in a while

18:41 <PovAddict> quail: I don't know but tube monitors kick its ass anyway

18:41 <quail> oh it might be 16ms

18:43 <BadBarbarian> lol my laptops not up to stardust

18:43 <PovAddict> they should make stardust a standalone program

18:43 <PovAddict> it really eats CPU as a web thing

18:44 <quail> &google stardust program

18:44 <Romulus> quail: Search took 0.11 seconds: Stardust - NASA's Comet Sample Return Mission: <http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/>; Stardust Software :: Screen Saver Toolkit: <http://www.stardustsoftware.com/sstoolkit/>; Stardust Software :: Impressionist Paintings Screen Saver Download: <http://www.stardustsoftware.com/downloads/screensavers/impressionistpaintings/>; Stardust Software: Stardust Image Encoder 2004, (3 more messages)

18:44 <PovAddict> &google stardust at home

18:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.10 seconds: Stardust @ Home: <http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/>; Stardust @ Home - About Finding Stardust: <http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/about.php>; Stardust - NASA's Comet Sample Return Mission: <http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/>; Stardust @ home - What We Do | The Planetary Society: <http://www.planetary.org/programs/projects/stardustathome/>; The Story of (2 more messages)

18:44 <PovAddict> that's the one

18:44 <quail> cheers PovAddict

18:46 <BadBarbarian> is lcd better than tube for stardust

18:46 <PovAddict> tube is better for graphics... or so I heard

18:47 <BadBarbarian> ok

18:47 <blendtux> any burp users overhere

18:47 <PovAddict> I haven't done burp in a while

18:48 <PovAddict> but I was quite active before

18:51 <quail> blendtux: ask your questions as someone here might beable to help you with your burp problems

18:52 <blendtux> oke, are the credits calculated on the basis of the amount of work you have done, or the amount that your computer worked

18:53 <PovAddict> ...

18:53 <PovAddict> *you* don't do work

18:53 <PovAddict> the computer does

18:55 <BadBarbarian> is there good credit crunching lhc@home

18:55 <PovAddict> BadBarbarian: LHC has no work atm

18:55 <BadBarbarian> ok

18:56 <BadBarbarian> thanx

18:56 <PovAddict> more like

18:56 <PovAddict> "LHC has no work unless explicitly noted otherwise"

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19:32 <mycosys> hey guys

19:33 <mycosys> anyone know how to acxtually get boink to obey its supposed network and processor usage controls?

19:33 <PovAddict> what is it not obeying?

19:33 <mycosys> seems to be ignoring the network usage times, and processor usage limits

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19:34 <PovAddict> see the activity menu

19:34 <mycosys> winXPproSP2 - boink 5.10.13 and 5.10.28

19:34 <PovAddict> if it says "run always", that's what it will do... you want "run according to preferences"

19:34 <Romulus> one morning I was thinking of all the water

19:35 <mycosys> its set to run according to refs

19:35 * PovAddict hits Romulus with something

19:35 <PovAddict> mycosys: did you set the preference on the project website?

19:35 <mycosys> tho thank u, it was set to always use network

19:35 <mycosys> nope, in the poinc client

19:35 <mycosys> *boinc

19:36 <PovAddict> what prefs did you set?

19:36 <PovAddict> I mean, what preference is it not following?

19:36 <mycosys> 75% maximum processor usage

19:37 <mycosys> wasnt following the time of day limitation for network, but the activity menu fixed thet (what a silly setting)

19:38 <PovAddict> open task manager, see performance tab

19:38 <PovAddict> is it a flat line on 100%?

19:38 <mycosys> looking at processes tab, seti@home process peaks at 95%

19:38 <PovAddict> the CPU usage that is

19:39 <mycosys> nope, just looked at speedfan (once again) and its bouncing up and down constantly

19:39 <PovAddict> well then it *is* following the preference

19:40 <mycosys> ah, a badly written pref setting eh?

19:40 <PovAddict> 75% means run three seconds and pause one, repeatedly

19:40 <PovAddict> it's technically impossible to make it run really 75%, it either computes or it doesn't

19:40 <mycosys> that is maximum avg processor usage, not maximum usage

19:41 <PovAddict> well the preference was made to avoid heat on laptops, mainly

19:41 <mycosys> hmmm

19:41 <PovAddict> so it's average what matters, temperature doesnt change instantly

19:41 <mycosys> if i leave it at 100, my system is a bit slow

19:41 <mycosys> would like to have more frequent time slices available to my apps

19:42 <PovAddict> I have run it for two or three years at 100% and never noticed any slowdown...

19:42 <PovAddict> go to processes tab

19:42 <mycosys> lookin at it now

19:42 <PovAddict> View | Select columns

19:42 <PovAddict> add "base priority" column

19:42 <mycosys> dont need to, boinc runs as low

19:42 <PovAddict> you'll see seti process is on low priority

19:43 <PovAddict> that's enough... Windows will only give timeslices to seti when no "Normal" process is needing one... and that *does* happen with a 10ms resolution instead of 1 second

19:44 <mycosys> still sometimes takes time

19:46 <mycosys> if ur involved in the project, perhaps renaming the preference would be a good idea

19:47 <mycosys> as would changing the default activity preference to run according to preferences, and network access according to prefs

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19:55 <mycosys> thanks btw

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20:17 <PovAddict> the default *is* using both according to preferences

20:26 <Soul_keeper> where is the cheapest place to buy a quality office/computer chair ?

20:26 <Soul_keeper> mine is falling appart

20:26 <PovAddict> mine has no cushion anymore

20:26 <PovAddict> well it does but it's as flat as it can get

20:26 <Soul_keeper> the bolts holding mine together stripped out

20:27 <PovAddict> lol

20:27 <Soul_keeper> so it leans way forward and pushes on my tail bone

20:27 <PovAddict> I read that as "the bolts holding me together stripped out"

20:27 <Soul_keeper> heh

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20:27 <Soul_keeper> last time i went to office depot they wanted like 120 bucks for a chair

20:28 <PovAddict> O.O

20:28 <Soul_keeper> staples is probably similar in price

20:29 <Soul_keeper> i'd rather not buy walmart chinese stuff, but i might not have a choice

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20:46 <QrX> hi romulus my fav bot :p

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20:50 <blendtux> is the burp project still down, because on the website its saying that all the server's are up however i dont recieve any jobs

20:50 <PovAddict> go to the main page

20:50 <PovAddict> it has a big message saying it's on maintenance

20:52 <blendtux> ah i see :)

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20:53 <PovAddict> MTughan: reported the language problem

21:01 <MTughan> PovAddict: Thanks.

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21:17 <zombie67> tank_master:  you there?

21:26 <Tank_Master> no

21:30 <zombie67> ah!

21:30 <zombie67> trying to install xp64

21:30 <Tank_Master> having fun?

21:30 <zombie67> get to the point where it asks me to select a partition

21:30 <Tank_Master> k...

21:30 <zombie67> choices are C: or an 8mb partition reserved for windows.

21:31 <Tank_Master> you can creat, delete, but not change

21:31 <zombie67> cannot create

21:31 <Tank_Master> 8 isnt enough

21:31 <Tank_Master> 8mb

21:31 <PovAddict> any data on that C:?

21:31 <zombie67> it says to "C" to create, but does nothing

21:31 <PovAddict> you should be able to delete both and create a new one using all the disk

21:31 <zombie67> on C?  yeah, my 32bit XP install

21:31 <PovAddict> including those 8mb

21:31 <PovAddict> hmm

21:32 <PovAddict> I mean any data you want to keep or is it safe to reformat?

21:32 <Tank_Master> but he wasnt to keep the curent C partion

21:32 <zombie67> I want to be able to dual boot

21:32 <Tank_Master> for it has 32bit XP on it

21:32 <PovAddict> then you need a second partition, a big one

21:32 <zombie67> right

21:32 <zombie67> but it wont't let me

21:32 <PovAddict> non-destructive repartitioning was added on Vista

21:32 <Tank_Master> you need either a second disk, or to resize the current partition

21:32 <zombie67> so, how do I split C

21:33 <PovAddict> and I'm not even sure if it's possible from the installer

21:33 <PovAddict> use gparted from an Ubuntu livecd

21:33 <zombie67> not, aparrently

21:33 <Tank_Master> XP can resize

21:33 <zombie67> so how, from within XP32, do I create a new partition?

21:33 <PovAddict> you can only create partitions on "unpartitioned space"

21:33 <zombie67> or at least reduce the size of C

21:33 <Tank_Master> server 2008 I know can expand a partition, but I do not know if it can shrink from the installer..

21:33 <PovAddict> non-destructive repartitioning was added on *Vista*

21:34 <zombie67> ah, ubuntu

21:34 <PovAddict> if you want to do it without selling your soul to the devil (M$) use gparted

21:35 <zombie67> what is the path onthe dvd?

21:35 <zombie67> to gparted?

21:35 <PovAddict> err it's on the app menu...

21:35 <zombie67> so, let me summarize, run ubuntu via live DVD, then run gparted

21:36 <zombie67> correct?

21:36 <PovAddict> yep...

21:36 <zombie67> okay.  Thanks!  will you be around?

21:36 <Tank_Master> yes

21:37 <zombie67> thanks again!  bb in a bit

21:37 <PovAddict> do you have ubuntu cd already?

21:37 <zombie67> dvd, but yeah, lots of tem

21:38 <PovAddict> it's on the menu as "partition manager" IIRC; but you can start it from console as 'gksudo gparted' too

21:39 <zombie67> okay

21:48 <Bads_Quad> evening all

21:49 <Tank_Master> I got TSP work!

21:49 <Tank_Master> yeeippy!

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21:53 <Tank_Master> yes, bad, its because of the song...

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21:53 <PovAddict> lol

21:54 <Soul_keeper> china loves you !!!

21:54 <PovAddict> lolwut

21:55 <zombie67> well, that didn't work.

21:55 <PovAddict> o?

21:55 <zombie67> set new partition size at half of what it was

21:55 <zombie67> applied

21:56 <zombie67> it thought about for a second

21:56 <zombie67> then flash, back to original settings.

21:56 <zombie67> that was with ubuntu 6

21:56 <zombie67> I am going to try again with an ubuntu 7 dvd

21:56 <PovAddict> you resized first partition to half, then added a new one on the free space?

21:57 <Romulus> yes, but i had a better paying job, but i friend has a bad start anyway

21:57 <PovAddict> shutup bot

21:57 <zombie67> can't even get to the adding a new partion step

21:57 <PovAddict> you can't add a new partition if you don't have free space

21:57 <zombie67> just trying to reduce the c partition would now work

21:57 <zombie67> i know

21:57 <PovAddict> is there actually an 8mb partition, or is it 8mb of free space?

21:58 <zombie67> I am only trying to reduce the c partition

21:58 <zombie67> the 8mb shows as free space

21:58 <PovAddict> ubuntu 7 booting now?

21:58 <zombie67> yeah, much slower to boot than 6

21:59 <PovAddict> go figure

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22:02 <zombie67> 7 provides more info, but still fails

22:02 <PovAddict> any error?

22:02 <zombie67> "NTFS journal unclean.  Windows was not shut down cleanly.

22:02 <zombie67> Okay, so I am going to reboot/shutdown win

22:02 <PovAddict> boot into XP, run the disk checking thingy

22:02 <zombie67> beb

22:02 <zombie67> brb

22:03 <PovAddict> (it's not called scandisk anymore)

22:03 <PovAddict> ah chkdsk on nt

22:04 <zombie67> not fsck?

22:04 <PovAddict> that's linux...

22:04 <zombie67> no

22:04 <zombie67> that's unix

22:04 <PovAddict> os x has fsck too?

22:04 <zombie67> ;)

22:04 <zombie67> sure

22:05 <zombie67> if you turn on boot verbose, you will see fsck

22:05 <zombie67> brb

22:06 <zombie67> fyi, the machine is the garage, that is why I keep having to leave

22:06 <Bads_Quad> howdy zombie

22:06 <zombie67> hi BB

22:06 <zombie67> got that quad humming now?

22:06 <Bads_Quad> its got heat issues

22:07 <PovAddict> crap

22:07 <PovAddict> my clock adjusted and boinc locked

22:07 <Tank_Master> lol

22:07 <PovAddict> shows two apps "running" but not using CPU

22:07 <PovAddict> if I click "suspend", it still says "running"

22:07 <Tank_Master> it will once the clock gose past the time it used to be at

22:08 <PovAddict> I think the adjustment was forwards... anyway, restarted it now

22:08 <zombie67> BB:  replacing HS should help

22:09 <Bads_Quad> looking at the thermatake V!

22:09 <Bads_Quad> new fan

22:10 <zombie67> don't let anyone talk you into running it with the covers off

22:10 <zombie67> they are critical for directing airflow

22:10 <zombie67> the CPU is not the only thing that needs cooling

22:10 <zombie67> brb

22:10 <PovAddict> on my old P4, taking covers off really helped

22:10 <Bads_Quad> lol case is closed

22:10 <PovAddict> probably won't here

22:10 <PovAddict> the other case sucked some...

22:11 <Tank_Master> my case it 10c hotter with the cover on

22:11 <zombie67> the bigger companies like dell, HP, etc, have many thermal engineers who design those cases

22:11 <Tank_Master> true

22:11 <PovAddict> well I don't have any prebuilt so...

22:11 <Bads_Quad> lol lets put it this way i dont have to turn on the heat in my bedroom

22:11 <zombie67> they spend many $M on optimizing air flow

22:11 <PovAddict> best way is cover off *and* a BIG fan next to it lol

22:11 <mycosys> does ur case have fans pushing in at the bottom an out at the top??

22:12 <PovAddict> my case has holes everywhere o_o

22:12 <Bads_Quad> pushing out the back

22:12 <Bads_Quad> yes

22:12 <zombie67> the point:  taking off covers may help cool CPU, but reduce cooling on other components at the same time

22:12 <PovAddict> it has a fan on the top, front, back

22:12 <Bads_Quad> back

22:12 <PovAddict> *lots* of tiny holes on the sides

22:12 <Bads_Quad> only

22:12 <zombie67> air should flow from front bottom to rear top

22:12 <mycosys> povaddict: 40cm box fan makes a gr8 side for the case

22:13 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:13 <PovAddict> exactly mycosys lol

22:13 <mycosys> indeed zombie

22:13 <PovAddict> that's where cover off is a good idea... when you replace cover with 40cm fan :)

22:13 <mycosys> used to live in sorta outback, needed it

22:13 <PovAddict> throw some dry ice inside case too

22:13 <zombie67> holes in the side are okay, so long as they are designed to allow air *in*.  if it is flowing *out*, it is leaving components starved of air flow.

22:13 <Bads_Quad> i hai have a small box fan i might open the case and put the box fan on it

22:14 <PovAddict> CO2 coming out of case may be bad for your health tho

22:14 <PovAddict> zombie67: I don't really feel air flow on the sides

22:14 <mycosys> i have my side holes lecto taped up

22:14 <PovAddict> maybe it's just letting *dust* in lol

22:14 <mycosys> *lecko

22:15 <PovAddict> I hate the dust around here

22:15 <PovAddict> stupid...house

22:15 <mycosys> where r ya?

22:15 <Tank_Master> we get a lot of pollen around here

22:16 <PovAddict> I have two nice holes on the front of case

22:16 <PovAddict> with a grid thing covering it of course (otherwise I'd get fingers hurted by the fan)

22:17 <PovAddict> seems to be blowing in

22:17 <PovAddict> the grid gets full of dust :\

22:17 <mycosys> top rear o the case blowing out?

22:17 <mycosys> u can add a filter if u need to

22:17 <zombie67> I have several 3rd party boxes that have holes on the side with a funnel for the CPU.  Of course it does not fit around the monster cololers I use.  So the funned is removed, and the holes taped over.

22:17 <PovAddict> I'd need to clean the filter every week...

22:18 <Romulus> i found that i'm off for a bit... Blender still not done beryl yet...

22:18 <mycosys> use a tissue, just replace it

22:18 <zombie67> if more air flow is needed, consider adding fans blowing in from the fron, and blowing out from the back

22:18 <PovAddict> there is a front one just behind those holes

22:19 <zombie67> adding filters can also reduce air flow.  more fans may then be needed, bit that is okay.

22:19 <Bads_Quad> i can do that'

22:19 <PovAddict> (it's 8x4cm holes btw)

22:19 <zombie67> looks like it working, but it may take a while to complete....

22:20 <PovAddict> I noticed the top fan is blowing some hotter-than-last-i-checked air...

22:20 <Bads_Quad> well i am trying a 12 inch box fan blowing in the sidewith out cover let see how that works

22:20 <zombie67> when choosing box fans, look at the air flow rating, also noise.

22:20 <mycosys> fan blowing out from the 5.25 bays helps too

22:21 <zombie67> BB, do you have a front fan?

22:21 <PovAddict> my mom again started to complain about leaving computer on 24/7

22:21 <mycosys> Bads_Quad: works really well

22:22 <Tank_Master> haha

22:22 <Tank_Master> I hate it when they do that

22:22 <PovAddict> can I somehow prove it's *not* the biggest electricity sucker on the house?

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22:22 <zombie67> a super large side fan could overpower an inward blowing fan, cause problem

22:22 <Bads_Quad> no

22:22 <zombie67> light bulbs

22:22 <mycosys> used to live in an area that was regularly over 40, big box fan blowing in worked wonders

22:22 <zombie67> how many 100 wat bulbs run in the evening?

22:23 <zombie67> how many 500w halogen bulbs?

22:23 <zombie67> hair4 dryers?  electric oven?

22:23 <zombie67> hot water heater is electric?

22:23 <zombie67> TV?

22:24 <PovAddict> we replaced most bulbs with CFLs

22:24 <mycosys> hot water is generally the boggest draw, followed by heating/cooling

22:24 <zombie67> CFLs are full of mercury

22:24 <zombie67> bad for the enviro

22:24 <mycosys> then the fridge and stove

22:24 <zombie67> Fridge!  right!

22:24 <mycosys> zombie67: only if u dispose of them incorrectly

22:24 <PovAddict> lightbulbs don't emit light

22:25 <PovAddict> they suck the room darkness

22:25 <zombie67> mycosys:  and what % are disposed of correctly?  10%?  if that...

22:26 <zombie67> the *real* change will come with LED

22:26 <zombie67> so very close

22:26 <mycosys> still, they are not in themselves bad for the environment

22:26 <zombie67> also CFL cand do dimming

22:26 <zombie67> can't

22:26 <mycosys> incorrect disposal is, just like plastics

22:27 <PovAddict> water heater uses natural gas

22:27 <mycosys> fridge?

22:27 <mycosys> oven? stove?

22:28 <PovAddict> fridge probably eats its nice amount of electricity yeah

22:28 <zombie67> also, plastics don't kill water supplies

22:28 <zombie67> cause birth defects

22:28 <zombie67> mercury is a hazardous substance

22:28 <Bads_Quad> this damn thing dont have a fan for the PS

22:28 <zombie67> there is a fan in the PSU, for sure

22:29 <Bads_Quad> nope

22:29 <mycosys> :S:S:S:S

22:29 <zombie67> don't believe it

22:29 <Bads_Quad> a box with coils lol

22:29 <zombie67> retrying 64xp install now

22:30 <Tank_Master> gl

22:31 <zombie67> BB, what is the machine model again?

22:31 <mycosys> BQ - u runnin a mac or somethin?

22:31 <Bads_Quad> tank can you op me on the other

22:32 <Tank_Master> no

22:32 <Bads_Quad> GM5485E

22:32 <zombie67> brand?

22:32 <Tank_Master> tyakes to much effert

22:33 <Bads_Quad> gateway

22:33 <mycosys> yikes

22:33 <PovAddict> other what

22:33 <PovAddict> op

22:33 <PovAddict> you're hiding a channel >:o

22:33 <Bads_Quad> hey it was a cheap refurb

22:33 * PovAddict looks behind Tank_Master's back

22:33 <Tank_Master> its out team's channle

22:33 <Tank_Master> our*

22:34 <zombie67> lord their site is s l o w

22:34 <mycosys> how hard is it to type / mode +O blah

22:34 <Bads_Quad> lol

22:34 <Tank_Master> actually I just right click on the person and select Op

22:34 <zombie67> can't find GM5485E

22:35 <Bads_Quad> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3402767&CatId=3478

22:35 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/191E> (at www.tigerdirect.com)

22:35 <Bads_Quad> thats where i got it

22:35 <zombie67> found it

22:36 <Bads_Quad> that little panel that says gateway in the front it removable

22:36 <zombie67> 400w PSU

22:37 <Bads_Quad> and no fan

22:37 <zombie67> http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6506042R/6506042Rmv.shtml

22:37 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-KP> (at support.gateway.com)

22:37 <mycosys> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=nLx&q=+site:support.gateway.com++GM5485E+

22:37 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-KR> (at www.google.com.au)

22:37 <zombie67> here is the fan:  http://support.gateway.com/s/POWER/6501066/6501066bv.shtml

22:37 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-KS> (at support.gateway.com)

22:37 <Bads_Quad> god there site is slow

22:38 <zombie67> on the bottom the PSU

22:38 <zombie67> air goes in the bottom, pulled by fan

22:38 <zombie67> air goes out the back

22:38 <Bads_Quad> ok the case is so tight cant see there

22:38 <efc> of course, the rated wattages is the output, not the input

22:38 <Bads_Quad> right at the cpu arrrrrg

22:39 * PovAddict watches Bads_Quad get electrocuted

22:39 <mycosys> *from, the cpu dude

22:39 <Bads_Quad> lol ok

22:41 <zombie67> don't worry about the heat of the PSU.

22:41 <mycosys> the PSU is copping the heat of the CPU, not the other way round - its not a prob

22:41 <MTughan> Unless it starts smoking. That's generally a bad sign...

22:42 <zombie67> in fact, the original P1/P2 boxes had no box fans

22:42 <zombie67> they used the PSU fan to push the air

22:42 <PovAddict> and old GPUs didn't have onboard fans...

22:42 <mycosys> most machines up to p4 didnt have case fans

22:42 <MTughan> Their clock speed was low enough that they didn't make that much heat?

22:43 <mycosys> ever seen a mac cube? no fans at all

22:43 <PovAddict> MTughan: slow clock doesn't mean less heat

22:43 <Romulus> that's one hell of a wu with lowest possible priority, and will that go

22:43 <MTughan> Wonder what'll happen when they move to optical connections...

22:43 <zombie67> copying files now at 50%

22:43 <PovAddict> it's possible that Pentium I at 33MHz heated as much as current computers

22:43 <MTughan> No, it's the electricity moving through the transistors.

22:43 <MTughan> mycosys: Yeah, those things look cool. Never seen one in person though...

22:43 <PovAddict> and the 80-core Intel is working on will use as much power as current CPUs too

22:43 <mycosys> nope

22:43 <zombie67> hi MT!

22:43 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

22:44 <MTughan> mycosys: The Mac minis don't have any fans either.

22:44 <zombie67> any better on the mac apps yet?

22:44 <zombie67> are you sure?

22:44 <MTughan> Oh yeah, they're fixed. Had to go a bit lower level, but they work.

22:44 <MTughan> Well, the PPC versions didn't have any fans.

22:44 <MTughan> mweltin's not here though...

22:44 <PovAddict> zombie67: he already got them, mweltin has to get them uploaded and working...

22:44 <zombie67> cool!  has he had time to post the pas yet?

22:44 <zombie67> ah

22:44 <mycosys> MT - when they are at 1 there is very little resistance, and hence little heat, when they are at 0 there is next to no current, so again little heat, swithching produces heat

22:45 <MTughan> I think he did get an Intel app up.

22:45 <mycosys> macs have heaps of good apps, they run a true unix

22:45 <MTughan> FreeBSD.

22:45 <PovAddict> zombie67: you could use app_info...

22:45 <MTughan> Is there work?

22:45 <zombie67> naw

22:45 <zombie67> there is no work

22:45 <zombie67> no rush

22:45 <MTughan> 74 WUs...

22:46 <zombie67> ??  is that real?

22:46 <MTughan> I just got 5 tasks.

22:46 <zombie67> if so, yes please

22:46 <MTughan> He said he has an Intel app from crunch3r up.

22:46 <zombie67> can someone send me the app, and the app_info.xml?

22:46 <PovAddict> I got two apps a short while ago

22:46 <PovAddict> (win)

22:47 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/tsp.tar.bz2

22:47 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-5w> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

22:47 <MTughan> Contains the PPC and Intel apps.

22:47 <zombie67> ah!

22:47 <zombie67> never mind, my intel mac already has work!

22:47 <zombie67> i just assumed....

22:47 <MTughan> As I said, he has an Intel app from crunch3r...

22:48 <zombie67> TM:  when do I need to check on the install?  and how many times?

22:48 <PovAddict> MTughan: updated with correct progress bar?

22:48 <MTughan> Yes.

22:48 <zombie67> i'm confused.  crunch3r is also making apps?

22:48 <MTughan> That's the latest code, updated just today.

22:48 <PovAddict> zombie67: yeah crunch3r built some too

22:48 <PovAddict> zombie67: see this for a sample app_info to base on to make the tsp one http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AnonymousPlatform#project-app

22:48 <MTughan> crunch3r said he could make optimized Intel apps through Intel's compiler.

22:48 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Kh> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

22:49 <zombie67> ah!

22:49 <MTughan> However, between simple optimization he did there and optimization I did on GCC, they run the same.

22:49 <zombie67> pov:  yes, I know that page.  I must have a mental block. I can never seem to build one myself that works.

22:50 <zombie67> so no PPC yet

22:50 <MTughan> Hmm... Pov, any idea what version of the for loop crunch3r used?

22:51 <MTughan> Seems to be slow...

22:51 <Bads_Quad> nudgey says i should get this fan  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=2932377&sku=T925-1183

22:51 <PovAddict> no idea

22:51 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Kj> (at www.tigerdirect.com)

22:51 <MTughan> I'm thinking he might've used the original loop, without the middle loop.

22:51 <mycosys> there isnt a ppc linux version is there?

22:52 <MTughan> I don't think so...

22:52 <zombie67> got a ps3??

22:52 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:52 <MTughan> Or maybe... Could be that he doesn't have the fix we did earlier today, where loopCtr is being divided by too big a number.

22:52 <MTughan> PovAddict: BOINC Manager calculates remaining time?

22:53 <zombie67> TM:  when do I need to check on the install?  and how many times?

22:53 <mycosys> nope, my ol mac is runnin suse

22:53 <PovAddict> MTughan: yes

22:53 <zombie67> linux on a mac?  kinda like tits on a bull

22:53 <MTughan> Okay, so it could be using the middle loop of 100, just not showing the right number.

22:53 <MTughan> zombie67!

22:53 <mycosys> seems a pity,, a lot of the most powerful machines on the planet are power linux machines

22:54 <zombie67> .....and unix machines....

22:54 <Tank_Master> zombie, after you tell it where to shove the files, about 10-15 min itll ask for some settings (comp name, cd key, time zone, network setting, ect...)

22:54 <MTughan> Well, OS X and Linux have the same base, Unix. Linux is based on Unix, right?

22:54 <PovAddict> zombie67: use tsp_ppc from MTughan's archive and http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/app_info.xml

22:54 <mycosys> zombie67:depends if u have OSX install disks

22:54 <PovAddict> MTughan: Linux is a Unix written from scratch

22:54 <MTughan> Oh...

22:54 <zombie67> ah!

22:54 <Tank_Master> then just after it reboots the last time ill ask if you wan to set up auto update and for user names

22:54 <zombie67> thanks TM

22:54 <mycosys>     linux is NOT a unix

22:55 <MTughan> I know it's written by Linus Torvalds.

22:55 <MTughan> Hey, how the heck would you compile for PS3 anyways?

22:55 <zombie67> but is is veeeeeery similar....almost, a copy, one might say.

22:55 <PovAddict> MTughan: with a cross compiler, or from the PS3 itself (after you get linux on it)

22:55 <zombie67> compile just like PPC

22:55 <mycosys> MT: install yellowdog on the PS3

22:56 <zombie67> my PS3 has YDL on it, and crunching

22:56 <zombie67> br

22:56 <zombie67> b

22:56 <MTughan> Interesting... Not that I'll be able to do it. I don't own a PS3.

22:56 <Tank_Master> gl

22:56 <PovAddict> compiling apps for PS3 is a bad idea unless they were *made* for the PS3

22:56 <PovAddict> it's a waste otherwise

22:56 <MTughan> Why?

22:56 <PovAddict> because you're basically using one core out of 6

22:57 <mycosys> PS3 would be ideal for cruching, its integer performance is average, but SIMD floating point performane is out o this world

22:57 <MTughan> BOINC can't distribute one task among each of the cores?

22:57 <PovAddict> MTughan: it's not that kind of cores, that's the problem

22:57 <MTughan> Oh...

22:57 <MTughan> GPU cores?

22:57 <PovAddict> yeah somewhat

22:57 <mycosys> the *7* other cores are completely slaved to the main core

22:58 <PovAddict> there is one main CPU that can be programmed for in the usual way

22:58 <mycosys> they are SIMD optimised cores for DSP

22:58 <PovAddict> that's what you'd be using if you just compile a normal app

22:58 <PovAddict> then there are the other 7 SPEs which are oriented for "stream processing" similar to a GPU

22:59 <PovAddict> the main core usually isn't used to compute, just to handle I/O with the SPEs

22:59 <mycosys> its kinda odd there isnt a cell optimised boinc, there are a lot of supercomputers coming out based round it

23:00 <PovAddict> mycosys: what would a cell optimized boinc do?

23:00 <PovAddict> remember boinc doesn't compute anything

23:00 <mycosys> fair point

23:00 <mycosys> cell optimised boinc aps then

23:00 <PovAddict> MTughan: if you're really interested: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-linuxps3-1/#N1020A

23:00 <Romulus> Title: Programming high-performance applications on the Cell BE processor, Part 1: An introduction to Linux on the PLAYSTATION 3 (at www-128.ibm.com)

23:00 <zombie67> the main core is a PPC G4

23:00 <MTughan> You can have cell optimized BOINC apps, but that's what we were talking about.

23:00 <PovAddict> mycosys: there are two projects supporting that already

23:01 <MTughan> PS3Grid, and what?

23:01 <zombie67> yoyo

23:01 <mycosys> main core is not a G4 it is the IBM power arch

23:01 <MTughan> Oh, ABC?

23:01 <PovAddict> yoyo

23:01 <MTughan> Oh...

23:01 <Tank_Master> yoyo

23:01 <PovAddict> the app yoyo is using already had code for Cell

23:01 <zombie67> it is very similar to a g4

23:01 <zombie67> SIMAP has a PPC/linux app

23:01 <mycosys> its also similar to an IBM risc 6000

23:02 <PovAddict> *gone*

23:02 <zombie67> it runs on just on the PPE, not suing the 6 SPEs

23:02 <MTughan> Not suing them, or not using them?

23:02 <zombie67> using

23:03 <MTughan> I was a little concerned about your sanity there for a sec... ;)

23:03 <zombie67> as far as the app knows, it is running in a G4 PPC linux box

23:03 <zombie67> ;)

23:03 <zombie67> a fairly simple explination is here (pictures too)  http://www.ps3grid.net/PS3GRID/technology.php

23:03 <Romulus> Title: Technology (at www.ps3grid.net)

23:04 <mycosys> great irony that mac dumped the power arch just as it REALLY took off

23:04 <MTughan> I still think it was a good idea to go to Intel.

23:04 <zombie67> the prob with PPC and Cell is power consumption

23:04 <zombie67> apple needs laptop CPUs

23:04 <zombie67> PPC is not going there

23:04 <mycosys> nope, just with the motorola chip at the time

23:04 <zombie67> tell me any PPC that will do laptop

23:05 <zombie67> and compete with C2

23:05 <mycosys> the cell could handle it

23:05 <MTughan> Laptop?

23:05 <mycosys> why not?

23:05 <MTughan> Power, heat.

23:05 <mycosys> it doesnt have to run at 3Ghz

23:05 <zombie67> it has to be competitive with C2

23:05 <zombie67> PPC or cell is not

23:05 <zombie67> with the same power envelope

23:06 <zombie67> the heaqt my PS3 gives off is wicked hot

23:06 <mycosys> given the amount of embedded power cores, i think u err

23:06 <zombie67> can't close the doors on my cabinet (and the back is open)

23:07 <zombie67> sorry, two factors, power and cost

23:07 <mycosys> the x64 arch is just so vastly inferior

23:07 <zombie67> maybe, but not for the cost

23:07 <MTughan> It's an improvement over 32-bit.

23:08 <mycosys> not an improvement over 64bit powerarch risc systems

23:09 <zombie67> finalizing install

23:09 <MTughan> Are you a PPC freak or something?

23:09 <Tank_Master> congraks Z

23:09 <zombie67> I have them all, AMD, PPC, Cell, Intel

23:09 <mycosys> electronic engineering student

23:09 <MTughan> I still think quad-core Xeons at 3.0GHz kick PPC ass.

23:09 <zombie67> oh yeah, and I manage many SPARC products....

23:09 <zombie67> kick PPC?  yes.

23:09 <zombie67> Kick Cell?  can't tell

23:10 <mycosys> most of what i run is x64, but the power arch is undouptedly superior

23:10 <zombie67> no apples to apples

23:11 <MTughan> What the? Anyone else having trouble with this page? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/volunteer.php

23:11 <Romulus> Title: Volunteer computing (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

23:11 <MTughan> I see a bunch of characters that Camino can't print.

23:11 <mycosys> http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=0162468rH3bTdGZj9N6830

23:11 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-L7> (at www.freescale.com)

23:12 <MTughan> Those are integrated products.

23:13 <mycosys> they are also low power fast power arch systems that can compete with C2D

23:13 <zombie67> well crap

23:13 <zombie67> XP64 doesn't have drivers for my DELL box.

23:13 <mycosys> they just arent marketed as such

23:14 <Bads_Quad> what kind of dell zombie

23:14 <mycosys> should be able to DL em zombie

23:15 <zombie67> dinension 5150

23:15 <mycosys> XP may not have had it out of the box, but its likely dell has provided em

23:15 <zombie67> Dl them, with no network

23:15 <mycosys> what u on now?

23:15 <mycosys> got a usb key?

23:15 <zombie67> yeah I know

23:15 <zombie67> still a PITA

23:15 <mycosys> ur gonna need the serial # btw

23:16 <mycosys> model # is useless with dells

23:16 <Bads_Quad> zombie i think i can help dcc me please

23:17 <mycosys> i can prolly find em for u too zombie, but need a lot more info than 5150

23:18 <mycosys> there would be a bunch o models by that name

23:22 <mycosys> http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/format.aspx?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb&deviceid=4030&libid=5&releaseid=R105478&vercnt=1&formatcnt=0&SystemID=DIMENSION%205150/E510&servicetag=&os=WW1&osl=en&catid=-1&impid=-1

23:22 <Romulus> Title: Drivers and Downloads (at support.dell.com)

23:22 <mycosys> network driver for the 5150 (not 5150c)

23:22 <MTughan> mycosys: Comparison between PPC G5 and Intel Xeon. http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/compare/?top=5600&bottom=3707

23:22 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-LD> (at browse.geekbench.ca)

23:23 <MTughan> They're fairly close, but there are a few areas where the Intel stands out, and some where the PPC edges out.

23:24 <mycosys> and the G5 is anchient, a more moder Powerarch CPU would eat the xeon

23:24 <MTughan> The G5 is ancient?

23:24 <MTughan> Uh huh...

23:25 <Tank_Master> you should be able to get drivers off dell's site

23:26 <Bads_Quad> not for one that old

23:26 <zombie67> dell only lists "XP" for this friver, for this machine

23:26 <Tank_Master> ahh

23:26 <zombie67> intel lists a XP64 driver

23:26 <Bads_Quad> vista drivers will work on x64

23:26 <zombie67> dell prob. never offered the 5150 with xp64

23:26 <Tank_Master> depends on if it is a intel NIC or not

23:26 <zombie67> it is intel chi[

23:26 <zombie67> p

23:26 <zombie67> PRO/100 VE Network

23:26 <Bads_Quad> belarc should be able to tell what nic you have

23:26 <zombie67> brb

23:26 <Tank_Master> ok

23:27 <Tank_Master> then yeah

23:27 <Tank_Master> just d/l off intel's site

23:27 <MTughan> CPU-Z is a nice app too.

23:27 <mycosys> G5 is 2002 vintage, 5yrs old

23:27 <Tank_Master> true dat

23:27 <Tank_Master> and speedfan

23:29 <zombie67> rebooting now

23:29 <Bads_Quad> cool

23:29 <Tank_Master> congrats

23:29 <zombie67> FYI, PS3GRID just released a "live" thumb drive image for YDL

23:29 <mycosys> well done

23:29 <zombie67> no need to install YDL on the HD to run BOINC

23:29 <mycosys> v cool

23:29 <Tank_Master> saw that a bit ago

23:30 <Tank_Master> only needs 1gb to

23:30 <Tank_Master> those are hella cheep these days

23:30 <zombie67> no, now smaller

23:30 <Bads_Quad> i guess ps3's are good crunchers

23:30 <zombie67> they just rereleased 512mb

23:31 <MTughan> Ah... mycosys: More comparisons. http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2007/08/mac-performance-august-2007/

23:31 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-LI> (at www.primatelabs.ca)

23:33 <zombie67> DING!  d'/ and installing 28 updates

23:33 <Tank_Master> not to bad

23:33 <Bads_Quad> cool

23:33 <Tank_Master> better than 32bit XP

23:34 <zombie67> we'll see.  there will probably be more after the reboot

23:34 <Bads_Quad> goto driveragent.com and scan

23:34 <Tank_Master> was it just the nic it didnt find?

23:34 <zombie67> thanks.  Will do that after the updates

23:34 <Bads_Quad> on dcc i will give you my log on

23:34 <zombie67> dunno.  let me look.

23:35 <Bads_Quad> updates can wait

23:35 <Bads_Quad> lets get drivers first

23:35 <mycosys> cot a cpmarison between a more modern power arch CPU and a C2D?

23:35 <MTughan> Problem is finding a neutral OS.

23:35 <Bads_Quad> lol i need sleep

23:35 <MTughan> Linux should do the trick...

23:36 <zombie67> missing:  audio, SM bus, vidro, display adaptor

23:36 <Bads_Quad> np

23:36 <Bads_Quad> goto driveragent.com and scan than dcc me

23:36 <MTughan> mycosys: Can you do some searching of your own too?

23:37 <zombie67> i'll give driveragent a shot, but update is inprocess

23:37 <zombie67> next

23:37 <Bads_Quad> cansel

23:37 <mycosys> lookin

23:39 <mycosys> 7 of the top 10 and 21 of the top 50 fastest supercomputers in the world, according to the TOP500-list, are using IBM's technologies based on Power Architecture.

23:39 <zombie67> pov:  the chinese are looking for BOINC help...

23:40 <MTughan> mycosys: That just means that people like using PowerPC, doesn't talk about the actual processor.

23:41 <mycosys> so 7 of the top 10 most powerful machines on the planet are power, but they aint the fastest system?

23:41 <zombie67> many of the top machines are funded (in part) by their mfgr for publicity

23:42 <MTughan> And how many processors do they contain? Get enough processors together and you can have unlimited speed. Still doesn't say anything about the processor.

23:42 <zombie67> for example, Sun could probably build the fastest one with N2, if it chose to do so.'

23:42 <Bads_Quad> did you get to driveragent zombie

23:42 <Tank_Master> not yet

23:42 <zombie67> not yet.  d/l complete, install still at #2 of 28

23:42 <Tank_Master> its updateing

23:43 <Bads_Quad> lol you can still go there and scan your system

23:43 <zombie67> mycosys, don't get me wrong

23:43 <zombie67> I am not saying that PPC is not very good

23:44 <zombie67> I am saying that it is hard to compare apples to apples.  and for BOINC, PPC is no longer an option for most crunchers.

23:44 <zombie67> so, of the chips available *now*, what is best?  Intel

23:45 <zombie67> and as far as I can tell, they are only going to increase their gap over AMD

23:45 <Bads_Quad> not a chance

23:45 <zombie67> hah!  My PII has 5 TSPs

23:45 <Bads_Quad> phenom will be here next quarter

23:45 <Tank_Master> hehe

23:46 <zombie67> I am sure 4 of them will be cancelled before the first one is finished

23:46 <Tank_Master> it wont bead out the quadcore that intel just released...

23:46 <Tank_Master> sorry

23:46 <zombie67> I think I convinced him to implement server side abortion with pov's help

23:47 <zombie67> let me say this.  I manage a product at sun.  PICMIG 3.x blade server.

23:47 <zombie67> we offer blades with sparc, AMD and eventually Intel

23:48 <zombie67> we see both roadmaps under NDA.

23:48 <zombie67> I will say no more than I have already said

23:48 <zombie67> ;)

23:51 <zombie67> TM:  prepare to be blown out on TSP....

23:51 <zombie67> my mac is back in th game...

23:51 <MTughan> lol

23:51 <MTughan> Don't forget me...

23:51 <mycosys> im presuming tho that the intel and AMD offerings arent the antique x86 arch

23:51 <Tank_Master> lol z

23:52 <MTughan> mycosys: What Intel and AMD offerings?

23:52 <Tank_Master> mycosys, yes they are

23:52 <zombie67> MT:  I don't see you on the top0 20...

23:52 <Tank_Master> the x64 is just a gloifyed 286 arch

23:52 <MTughan> zombie67: Not yet... ;)

23:52 <zombie67> MT:  I see the roadmaps out many years...

23:53 <zombie67> MT:  what is your total or RAC?

23:53 <Tank_Master> 3

23:53 <zombie67> *snort*

23:53 <Tank_Master> lol

23:53 <mycosys> try a glorified 8080

23:53 <MTughan> I thought I had higher than that...

23:53 <Tank_Master> sorry

23:53 <MTughan> mycosys: The Intel 8080 is truly ancient.

23:53 <zombie67> just trying to find your ID

23:53 <Tank_Master> i didnt remember how far back it went

23:54 <Tank_Master> my mom made those

23:54 <MTughan> Damn... 4!

23:54 <zombie67> crunch3r has 118 points

23:54 <Bads_Quad> zombie dcc me again with paper & pencil i will give my logon for driver agent.com

23:54 <MTughan> 92nd position.

23:54 <mycosys> mtughan: that is the prob with the x86 arch, it has legacy back to before i was born

23:54 <Tank_Master> lol

23:54 <MTughan> Was the 8080 x86?

23:54 <Bads_Quad> no

23:54 <Tank_Master> thats why intel developed the itanium

23:55 <mycosys> it is what it is based on

23:55 <MTughan> Oh, total credit of 54.

23:55 <zombie67> 92 by rac ror total?

23:55 <Bads_Quad> 8 bit cpu

23:55 <MTughan> RAC.

23:55 <Tank_Master> to replace the x86

23:55 <mycosys> but we still have x86 machines

23:55 <MTughan> Because x86 has served our needs.

23:56 <mycosys> and the whole CISC paradigm was  for a time when mamory was more exxy than processor

23:56 <MTughan> Damn... 103rd on Total.

23:56 <Bads_Quad> x86 wont run on any thing pre pentium

23:56 <mycosys> but its still obsolete

23:56 <MTughan> Really?

23:56 <zombie67> hmmm....stats must not be updated.  you don't show as 54.  gimme the url to your id

23:56 <Tank_Master> isnt the bios still 4bit?

23:56 <MTughan> Why is it still being used then?

23:56 <mycosys> legacy

23:56 <MTughan> New Macs use EFI, not BIOS.

23:56 <Tank_Master> people dont want to rewright their apps

23:57 <mycosys> yup, legacy

23:57 <Tank_Master> true

23:57 <MTughan> mycosys: Give one reason why x86 should be scrapped.

23:57 <zombie67> simple = MICROSOFT

23:57 <Tank_Master> and that is good

23:57 <zombie67> they impose so many legacy restrictions....

23:57 <Tank_Master> I wish MS had enabled supprot for EFI

23:57 <MTughan> zombie67: http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/show_user.php?userid=298

23:57 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Lb> (at bob.myisland.as)

23:57 <zombie67> EFI is part of VISTA!

23:57 <zombie67> er.

23:57 <mycosys> not saying it should be scrapped, just that it is obsolete compared to non legacy archs like power and sparc

23:57 <zombie67> New file syrtem!

23:57 <zombie67> er

23:57 <Tank_Master> it is, but I dont think its enabled

23:57 <zombie67> New search!

23:57 <zombie67> er.

23:58 <MTughan> Who cares if it's legacy if it works? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

23:58 <zombie67> ah!  jedirock != MTughan

23:58 <zombie67> i was looking for the wrong id

23:58 <MTughan> I normally go by jedirock.

23:58 <zombie67> confusing

23:58 <zombie67> brb

23:59 <MTughan> Wow... I've been "crunching" for almost a month now...

23:59 <zombie67> 26 of 28

23:59 <Tank_Master> the tSP apps are taking yet longer

23:59 <Tank_Master> 1h10min now

23:59 <Tank_Master> I liked the 11min WUs

23:59 <MTughan> No, they're fine. They'll actually only get up to 1% I think. xD

23:59 <Bads_Quad> lol

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