00:00 <zombie67> odd...BOINCstats can't find "jedirock"
00:00 <MTughan> It was a bug fixed earlier today and in my apps, but I don't think it's in crunc3r's.
00:00 <MTughan> zombie67: mtughan there...
00:00 <MTughan> I have no idea where it got it from, but it did.
00:00 <Bads_Quad> hey tank it don't mater open closed extra fans still running at 60c
00:00 <zombie67> TM: they take 2 hours
00:00 <Tank_Master> 1h11min on mine
00:00 <MTughan> The only place I used mtughan was at WCG.
00:01 <MTughan> Tank_Master: What percentage are your apps at?
00:01 <Tank_Master> wating to report
00:01 <mycosys> it is broke btw, that is why we need an extra level of microcose interpreters around risclike cores, lost power that could be used pfor processing
00:01 <MTughan> Oh, they're done...
00:01 <Tank_Master> yeah
00:01 <zombie67> MT: you must have a project listed as mtughan, and that makes thing messy
00:01 <MTughan> Yeah, WCG.
00:02 <MTughan> Don't ask why I did that, I did.
00:02 <MTughan> All others are under jedirock.
00:02 <zombie67> fix it
00:02 <Tank_Master> yeah
00:02 <Tank_Master> fix it now
00:02 <Tank_Master> ;)
00:02 <MTughan> Can I change my name?
00:02 <Tank_Master> yes
00:03 <MTughan> Oh, I can...
00:03 <MTughan> Done.
00:03 <MTughan> Should change BOINCStats the next time it's checked.
00:03 <MTughan> Don't hold me to that though.
00:04 <Tank_Master> I got 2k pending
00:04 <zombie67> TM: what kind of OC madness is 1:11?
00:04 <Tank_Master> a massive 3.07GHz
00:04 <Tank_Master> from 2.66
00:04 <zombie67> 2400 pending here
00:05 <Tank_Master> you have more hig end system
00:05 <zombie67> that 3.07 is netburst crap
00:05 <Tank_Master> I bet my
00:05 <Tank_Master> P3 WUs dont go to pending often
00:05 <zombie67> no way this is faster than 3.0 C2Q
00:05 <zombie67> what givs?
00:05 <Tank_Master> mine is a core2duo
00:05 <Tank_Master> you know that
00:05 <zombie67> are you using crunch3r client?
00:05 <Tank_Master> no, well technically yes
00:05 <zombie67> Ah!
00:06 <zombie67> looking backwards.
00:06 <zombie67> OC *to* 3.07
00:06 <Tank_Master> its just what is sent out
00:06 <zombie67> 3.07 was the speed of old XEON
00:06 <Tank_Master> yes
00:06 <zombie67> sorry
00:06 <Tank_Master> hehe
00:06 <zombie67> beb
00:06 <Tank_Master> and the last 533MHz buss P4
00:07 <zombie67> (*&^#$ ie7 broght the whole process to a halt, asking for approval.
00:07 <Bads_Quad> yep it will do that
00:07 <Tank_Master> approvel for waht?
00:08 <Bads_Quad> to install
00:08 <Tank_Master> ahh, right
00:08 <zombie67> "do you want to install?"
00:08 <zombie67> do you approve?
00:08 <Tank_Master> yes
00:08 <Tank_Master> yes
00:08 <zombie67> do you want to click next?
00:08 <Tank_Master> yes
00:08 <Bads_Quad> tank check this wu from the quad
00:08 <Tank_Master> yes
00:08 <Tank_Master> nice time
00:09 <MTughan> &convert 25000 seconds to hours
00:09 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: The command "convert" is available in the Currency and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "convert".
00:09 <MTughan> &math convert 25000 seconds to hours
00:09 <Romulus> MTughan: 6.94444444444
00:09 <MTughan> &math convert 8000 seconds to hours
00:09 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.22222222222
00:09 <MTughan> Nice...
00:09 <zombie67> with OSX, you get a dialog box that pops up when it sees there is one available. you click okay, enter your root passwd.
00:09 <zombie67> thats it
00:09 <zombie67> 6.9444444444
00:09 <zombie67> oh
00:09 <zombie67> 3600 sec/hr
00:10 <zombie67> 86,400/day
00:10 <MTughan> Yep.
00:10 <MTughan> 27.7m/s=100km/h
00:10 <zombie67> back of hand
00:10 <zombie67> brb
00:10 <Tank_Master> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/workunit.php?wuid=174377
00:10 <Tank_Master> thats how long my core2 takes in 64bit
00:11 <MTughan> Under an hour... Nice.
00:11 <Tank_Master> &math convert 3500 sec into hr
00:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: intohr is not a valid unit.
00:11 <Bads_Quad> &math convert 7,827.92 seconds to hours
00:11 <Romulus> Bads_Quad: Error: 7,827.92 is not a valid unit.
00:11 <zombie67> rebooting
00:11 <Tank_Master> &math convert 3500 seconds to hours
00:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 0.972222222222
00:12 <Bads_Quad> &math convert 7,827 seconds to hours
00:12 <Romulus> Bads_Quad: Error: 7,827 is not a valid unit.
00:12 <MTughan> Bads_Quad: Take out the comma.
00:12 <Bads_Quad> ok
00:12 <MTughan> &math convert 7827.92 seconds to hours
00:12 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.17442222222
00:12 <Bads_Quad> &math convert 7827.92 seconds to hours
00:12 <Romulus> Bads_Quad: 2.17442222222
00:12 <Tank_Master> take the damn comma out
00:12 <Bads_Quad> did
00:12 <Tank_Master> I know
00:12 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a fuzzy book by Stephen King
00:12 <Bads_Quad> thats my adverage wu on seti
00:12 <Tank_Master> slow
00:13 <Tank_Master> but it is only 2.4GHz
00:13 <zombie67> my TSP crunching will be marginally reduced, as this PD 940 will be 100% ABC for a while.
00:13 <Tank_Master> you need to o/c the sucker
00:13 <Bads_Quad> how lol
00:13 <Tank_Master> carefully
00:13 <MTughan> lol
00:13 <Bads_Quad> its way better than anything else i have
00:13 <MTughan> Wait, o/c the quad?
00:14 <Bads_Quad> i think 4 wu every 2 hrs is great
00:14 <Tank_Master> the one thats burring up as it is, yeah
00:14 <zombie67> found 5 more (+28) installing now
00:14 <Bads_Quad> lol its hot now
00:14 <Tank_Master> nother one finised in 58min 10sec
00:14 <zombie67> me? cannot OC any dell
00:15 <Tank_Master> you might be able to do a software o/c
00:15 <Bads_Quad> no my gateway
00:15 <zombie67> SW OC??
00:15 <Bads_Quad> isit free
00:15 <MTughan> Damn you Tank_Master... 55 minutes for 64%...
00:15 <Tank_Master> yes its free
00:15 <zombie67> details
00:15 <Tank_Master> sorry MT ;)
00:15 <Bads_Quad> link please
00:16 <mycosys> u cant do a SW OC, u can only use SW that causes ur HW to OC
00:16 <MTughan> WTF? My results... http://bob.myisland.as/tsp//results.php?hostid=322
00:16 <Tank_Master> not exactly
00:17 <MTughan> Why do some of those results have 0 credit granted?
00:17 <Bads_Quad> not good mt
00:17 <Tank_Master> you know the techneq in a CPU to reduse the speed if its overhewating?
00:17 <zombie67> I know the XS guys were working on a SW OC for dual socket XEONS
00:17 <MTughan> All those client errors are the MD5 errors we were having.
00:17 <mycosys> underclocking?
00:17 <zombie67> brb
00:17 <Tank_Master> also if its idle, it lower the CPU speeD?
00:17 <Tank_Master> thats controled by software
00:17 <mycosys> uhuh
00:17 <Tank_Master> o/cing just goes the oppisate way
00:18 <MTughan> Bads_Quad: Except for the compute errors, those were because I moved a dynamic library. Hehe...
00:18 <zombie67> ugh, the .NET updates take FOREVER to install
00:18 <Tank_Master> yes they do
00:18 <mycosys> i know dude, but its still using hardware, and VERY little OC is not controlled by SW
00:18 <Tank_Master> esp .net 2.0
00:18 <Bads_Quad> 3 is the worst
00:18 <Romulus> Title: CPUID (at www.cpuid.com)
00:19 <Tank_Master> no, 2 is slower than 3
00:19 <MTughan> WTF? "Validate state: Invalid"?
00:19 <Tank_Master> for 3 is an extention to 2
00:19 <zombie67> no, *I'm* wrong!...no *I* am!
00:19 <Tank_Master> ok
00:19 <Tank_Master> if you insist
00:23 <zombie67> what was that web site again for drivers?
00:24 <Bads_Quad> driveragent.com
00:25 <Bads_Quad> now the installs maynot work but the drivers will
00:25 <Bads_Quad> you may have to manualy install the drivers
00:25 <zombie67> ?? $30/year?
00:26 <Bads_Quad> yep
00:26 <zombie67> WTF
00:26 <Bads_Quad> i payed it dcc for login
00:26 <zombie67> dcc?
00:26 <Bads_Quad> dcc me
00:26 <Bads_Quad> like before
00:27 <Bads_Quad> private
00:29 <Bads_Quad> call me privately
00:29 <Bads_Quad> i will give you login
00:30 <Tank_Master> do it on the other server
00:31 <Tank_Master> this one has some funky security on it
00:31 <MTughan> You need to be registered to send private messages.
00:32 <MTughan> Wait, you both are... Okay, nvm.
00:33 <Tank_Master> hehe
00:33 <MTughan> I should know better than to underestimate you two. :P
00:34 <Tank_Master> or understand
00:35 <zombie67> w00t!
00:35 <Tank_Master> got it to work?
00:35 <zombie67> driveragent.com found like 20
00:35 <zombie67> and with a reboot each....
00:36 <zombie67> ugh
00:36 <zombie67> still, *very* handy!
00:36 <MTughan> That's Windows for you! xD
00:36 <zombie67> windows system panel saw only 5
00:37 <Tank_Master> most of what driver sees are old ones
00:37 <zombie67> right, functional but older
00:38 <zombie67> should I just update them all? or just the ones that don't work
00:38 <zombie67> brb
00:39 <Bads_Quad> &weather 86046
00:39 <Romulus> Bads_Quad: Temperature: 34.2°F / 1.2°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 23.77in / 804.9hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 26 to 36. Light winds.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs 63 to 69. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the late morning and afternoon.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 31 to 39. Southwest winds around 15 mph.;
00:40 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007
00:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 43.8°F / 6.6°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows 35 to 40. Light wind.; Monday - Showers likely. Highs 45 to 50. Light wind becoming southwest 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy with a slight (1 more message)
00:40 <Tank_Master> &more
00:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: chance of showers. Lows in the lower to mid 30s. West wind 10 to 15 mph in the evening becoming light.;
00:41 <Tank_Master> I thinkk I see a pater there...
00:41 <Tank_Master> pattern*
00:41 <Bads_Quad> lol
00:42 <mycosys> &weather 2278
00:42 <Romulus> mycosys: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
00:43 <mycosys> oh wel, 30deg C an sunny as anything
00:46 <zombie67> back
00:46 <zombie67> ugh, this may take a while
00:46 <zombie67> can't just let it go
00:46 <zombie67> ok
00:46 <zombie67> ok
00:46 <zombie67> ok
00:46 <zombie67> ok
00:46 <zombie67> ugh
00:46 <mycosys> ok
00:50 <MTughan> All right, I'm off to bed.
00:50 <MTughan> &nn all
00:50 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
00:51 <Tank_Master> gn mt
00:51 <mycosys> night? but its only 10 to 5 in the arvo :P
00:51 <mycosys> hav a gr8 1 dude
00:51 <MTughan> Arvo?
00:52 <mycosys> afternoon
00:52 <MTughan> Ah...
00:52 <MTughan> lol, almost 1AM here.
00:52 <MTughan> I have to be up at 6:40AM for school.
00:52 <Romulus> yeah I have a problem like this would be useful
00:52 <mycosys> i forget u yanks dont undersatn austraslian *lol*
00:52 <MTughan> Not a yank. Canadian!
00:52 <mycosys> meh, 5 hrs should be plenty
00:53 <mycosys> oooohhhhhh, im so sorry dude, how instulting, srsly sorry
00:53 <Tank_Master> you better be
00:53 <MTughan> And you must be in a different part of Australia... I was working with another developer in Aus a little while back, he was 14hrs ahead of me. You're 17.
00:53 <Tank_Master> its an insult to us americans to thing a canadian could be one of us
00:53 <Tank_Master> ;)
00:53 <Tank_Master> j/k
00:54 <mycosys> daylight savings dude
00:54 <MTughan> We're out of it. Are you still in DST?
00:54 <mycosys> ummmm, TM, they didnt elect bush, 2ce
00:54 <Tank_Master> yeah, they elected some panzy
00:55 <MTughan> What, Harper?
00:55 <mycosys> sthn hemisphere, we are now that u rnt
00:55 <Tank_Master> lol. harper
00:55 <MTughan> Current Prime Minister of Canada is Stephen Harper.
00:55 <Tank_Master> there was a harper on andromeda
00:55 <Tank_Master> and sci-fi show
00:55 <MTughan> I guess you could say Harpo Marx was a harper. xD
00:56 <mycosys> then again, aussies elected **** howard 4 times
00:56 <mycosys> hopefully that will all change this weekend
00:56 <MTughan> Well, I must be off. Good talking to you!
00:57 <mycosys> hava gr8 1 dude
00:58 <Tank_Master> tc
01:00 <zombie67> w00t!
01:00 <zombie67> now VNC into my 64xp boc
01:00 <zombie67> box
01:00 <Tank_Master> nice
01:00 <Tank_Master> you done over and driveragent?
01:00 <zombie67> yeah
01:01 <zombie67> couldn't fix one thing, but no matter, not important
01:01 <zombie67> ig I install boinc as service, can I still use mgr?
01:01 <zombie67> i
01:01 <zombie67> if
01:01 <Tank_Master> yes
01:02 <mycosys> just no gfx
01:02 <Tank_Master> it will continue to run w/o the manager to
01:02 <Tank_Master> itll have graphics if you mod one thing
01:02 <mycosys> do tell
01:02 <zombie67> dk about graphics
01:02 <Tank_Master> but what do you need that for? ;)
01:02 <zombie67> just slows things down
01:02 <Tank_Master> true
01:03 <zombie67> uncheck screensaver, check loggin on, right?
01:03 <mycosys> screensaver only runs for 10min anyway on this box, not a huge drain 4 some eye candy
01:03 <Tank_Master> yeah, thats what I do
01:03 <zombie67> k
01:03 <Tank_Master> did you set a pw for logging in?
01:03 <Tank_Master> into windows
01:04 <zombie67> no
01:04 <Tank_Master> then you cant install it as a service by default
01:05 <Tank_Master> however ill walk you throught a wourkaround
01:05 <Tank_Master> also enables toe graphics
01:05 <Tank_Master> just put in any pw when it asks for one
01:05 <zombie67> crap, that just lost me my vnc
01:05 <Tank_Master> then install
01:05 <Tank_Master> when its installing
01:06 <Tank_Master> upen up the comp manager and go to the services
01:06 <Tank_Master> then when it is at the "starting service" part
01:06 <Tank_Master> of the install
01:06 <Tank_Master> on the services window, refresh to see BOINC listed, double click on BOINC
01:06 <zombie67> I just backed it up and installed regular
01:07 <zombie67> too much hassle
01:07 <Tank_Master> a window will pop-up ad select the middle tab, then click on the top radio button
01:07 <Bads_Quad> what didnt work zombie
01:07 <Tank_Master> apply and the install will finish
01:07 <zombie67> installing as service w/o passwd
01:07 <Tank_Master> its not that hard...
01:07 <zombie67> killed my vnc
01:07 <zombie67> rebooting now
01:07 <Tank_Master> ahh
01:07 <Tank_Master> odd
01:07 <Bads_Quad> lol i ment drivers
01:08 <Bads_Quad> did you get every thing you needed
01:08 <zombie67> yeah. all worked but one group, but not necessary for a cruncher.
01:08 <zombie67> thanks again!
01:09 <zombie67> all these pop-up dialog boxes annoy
01:09 <zombie67> gimme a cmd line please
01:09 <zombie67> ;)
01:09 <zombie67> berb
01:09 <zombie67> br
01:09 <Bads_Quad> yes thay are but it works
01:09 <zombie67> brb
01:09 <zombie67> can't type!
01:09 <Bads_Quad> what group
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01:24 <Soul_keeper> hmmm fltk giving me a hard time
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02:04 <zombie67> howdie!
02:04 <zombie67> i see the mac app is up
02:04 <zombie67> for intel
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02:09 <mweltin> hey hey
02:10 <mweltin> yeah crunch3r hooked me up with that.
02:10 <mweltin> I had to bail on MTughan earlier todya.
02:10 <mweltin> he just got the ppc up
02:10 <mweltin> I have not had a chance to get it from him.
02:11 <mweltin> all is working well, my validator assimilator and work generator are all going strong.
02:11 <mweltin> I need to add some more error checking, but its working.
02:12 <zombie67> pov is pretty amazing, no?
02:12 <mweltin> yeah
02:12 <mweltin> very helpful
02:12 <zombie67> you say PPc is up?
02:12 <mweltin> and not pompus about it either.
02:12 <mweltin> no
02:12 <zombie67> oh
02:12 <mweltin> I never had a chance to get it from MTughan
02:13 <mweltin> I had to go to an umu today.
02:13 <mweltin> its a samoan BBQ
02:13 <zombie67> i think he gave it to pov
02:13 <zombie67> nice.
02:13 <mweltin> yeah, a dolphin washed up on shore too.
02:13 <zombie67> curious: are you a native? if not, how did you come to live there?
02:13 <mweltin> I've only been here 9 months.
02:14 <mweltin> I'll be here till Feb of 09
02:14 <zombie67> military? or school?
02:15 <mweltin> slack jaw freak.
02:15 <mweltin> my GF is a midwife at the hospital here.
02:15 <mweltin> I just followed her down.
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02:15 <Tank_Master_> mw!
02:16 <mweltin> Tank_Master!!!
02:16 <mweltin> how goes it?
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02:16 <zombie67> so you met elsewhere and followed her there?
02:16 <Tank_Master> good
02:16 <Tank_Master> slow
02:16 <Tank_Master> are the WUs suposed to take longer than before? (before 2.08)
02:17 <mycosys> is an umu like a hangi?
02:17 <mweltin> whats a hangi
02:17 <mweltin> Tank_Master: no, but there was a move from a while to a for loop
02:17 <mweltin> and the addition of the boinc_fraction_done was added
02:17 <mycosys> hangi is the maori bbq
02:18 <mycosys> done by burying the food
02:18 <mweltin> so it was supposed to be faster but it not even with -O2
02:18 <mweltin> mycosys: yeah its like that.
02:18 <mweltin> you start with a bed of rocks, build a fire on them.
02:18 <Tank_Master> bon fire!!
02:19 <mweltin> then clear out hte coals put hte food in and cover the whole thing with bannana leaves.
02:19 <mycosys> yep, thats just like a hangi
02:19 <mweltin> works well
02:19 <mycosys> sure does
02:19 <mweltin> you can cook a turkey in just over an hour.
02:19 <mweltin> and you can cook a ton of food too.
02:19 <mweltin> Samoans are not a small people.
02:19 <mycosys> and it comes out sooooo moist
02:20 <mycosys> nor are maoris generally
02:20 <Tank_Master> looks like I got a nie load of work in my cache, so im going to head to bed
02:20 <Tank_Master> nice*
02:20 <mweltin> I've been churning out tons of work.
02:21 <mycosys> which projects have ppc/linux versions, u guys know?
02:21 <zombie67> none
02:21 <zombie67> SIMAP may have a manual version
02:21 <mycosys> bugger, well the mac wont be crunchin then
02:22 <mweltin> sorry to hear that.
02:22 <zombie67> nope
02:22 <mweltin> I'll ask someone to build one for me and get back to you.
02:23 <mweltin> I got an email from someone I don't know who just offered to build a 64 bit app.
02:23 <zombie67> careful
02:23 <zombie67> who?
02:23 <mweltin> I'm constantly amazed how nice people are and willing to help.
02:23 <zombie67> deutch?
02:23 <zombie67> or something like that?
02:24 <mweltin> Augustine
02:24 <zombie67> ah!
02:24 <zombie67> good guy
02:24 <mweltin> I was going to check her first.
02:24 <zombie67> he is a big proponent of 64 bit apps
02:24 <zombie67> him, i think
02:25 <mweltin> after that story about the guy that made a worm or something to install an app on other boxes I'm a little concerned who builds apps for me.
02:25 <zombie67> he has been a big help with many projects, getting their apps to 64 bit
02:26 <zombie67> trust POV
02:26 <zombie67> so far, you have a good group of guys
02:26 <zombie67> helpgin
02:26 <zombie67> helping
02:26 <mweltin> right now I'm adding a feature so I can give credit to the user/host that finds the shortest path to date.
02:26 <zombie67> neat!
02:26 <zombie67> like a bonus
02:26 <mweltin> oh yeah, solid bunch of guys.
02:27 <mweltin> it will show up on the www.myisland.as/tsp page.
02:27 <zombie67> BTW, i see you added server side abortion. Awesome!
02:27 <mweltin> yup, that was a great idea (thank you zombie67)
02:28 <mweltin> I'm tyring to write up my experience bringing the reality.
02:28 <mweltin> someone on the project list was asking about what to do after getting uppercase working.
02:28 <zombie67> that way you can still have a higher than needed inital replication to speed things up, but still cut off the excess waste when it's no longer needed.
02:28 <mweltin> there are a lot of docs on getting uppercase working but no many on the next phase.
02:29 <mweltin> I dropped the ntarget down a little too.
02:29 <mweltin> I think min quorum and ntarget are the same now.
02:29 <zombie67> projects like Primegrid have an extra set of stats showing how many of each sub-project have been run, and how many primes you have found.
02:30 <mweltin> To stream line it a little more I'll make min quorum and target equal to 1, and have the validator also calculate the distance reported.
02:30 <zombie67> maybe you could also have a stat that shows the shortest path each user has found.
02:31 <mweltin> oh yeah, thats not a bad idea.
02:31 <Romulus> Title: Top participants (at boinc.rieselsieve.com)
02:32 <zombie67> see how they added an addition column for a custom stat?
02:32 <zombie67> "total factors"
02:32 <zombie67> something like that anyway
02:32 <mweltin> thats cool
02:33 <mweltin> I like that they modified the index page.
02:33 <zombie67> very similar to the primegrid guys
02:33 <zombie67> they both do simiar (but different) work
02:34 <Romulus> Title: Top participants (at www.primegrid.com)
02:34 <zombie67> I like that RS uses pages of 50, instead of the standard 20
02:34 <zombie67> notice PG has google ads for revenue....?
02:34 <zombie67> ;)
02:35 <mweltin> zombie67: do you know chris molton runs the boincprojectstatus.ath.cx page.
02:35 <mweltin> whatever pays the bills.
02:36 <mweltin> I could use some cash.
02:36 <zombie67> wow. that's a new site for me, and I thought I knew them all
02:36 <mweltin> I need to find a job
02:36 <mweltin> he has an admin section but I forgot the url
02:36 <mweltin> gonna try /admin
02:37 <mweltin> and that works
02:37 <zombie67> heh.
02:37 <zombie67> I clicked "all"
02:37 <zombie67> that is NOT all
02:38 <zombie67> this is all: http://homepage.mac.com/zombie67/BOINC_Projects.html
02:38 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Project List (at homepage.mac.com)
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02:40 <zombie67> not sure what that site is all about
02:40 <mweltin> I'm mac friendly
02:40 <zombie67> yes you are :)
02:40 <zombie67> I forgot to put in the X's
02:40 <zombie67> next edition!
02:40 <mweltin> I'm at least in beta
02:40 <zombie67> I update it about monthly
02:41 <mweltin> well since yesterday
02:41 <zombie67> notes
02:41 <zombie67> noted
02:41 <mweltin> after I got the assmilator up
02:41 <mweltin> that was the last big piece
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02:42 <mweltin> I'll have a steady stream of work later too.
02:43 <mweltin> on my project birthday I will restart the sequencer
02:43 <mweltin> and keep track of everything.
02:43 <mweltin> before I was only keep A single optimal solution
02:44 <zombie67> I'ne been trying to understand why, if everything is working now, you are throttling work generation, and work D/L
02:44 <mweltin> but now with the database (thanks pov) I'll be able to keep all the optimal paths.
02:45 <zombie67> question: I keep seeing folding references.
02:45 <mweltin> I'm keeping the queue full there are some 200 odd WU's ready to send.
02:45 <mweltin> folding?
02:45 <zombie67> yeah, just took a while to get there
02:46 <zombie67> anyway: I have seen genetic protein references
02:46 <mweltin> where?
02:46 <Romulus> Title: Convergence of Individuals to single genotype. (at bob.myisland.as)
02:47 <mweltin> oh that was a long time ago.
02:47 <zombie67> are we really trying to find the shortest geographical route?
02:47 <mweltin> yup
02:47 <zombie67> or is this a meatphor for genetics?
02:47 <mweltin> no
02:47 <zombie67> genotype??
02:47 <mweltin> so the problem doesn't have a closed solution, and one heuristic method is genetic algorithms.
02:48 <mweltin> a genotype in this case is the path.
02:48 <zombie67> ah!
02:49 <zombie67> so we are using those to solve a real TSP problem
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02:49 <mweltin> The GA will be the next app.
02:50 <mweltin> in fact it was the first app, but after talking to the alpha testers they seemed more interested in finding the optimal solution.
02:50 <zombie67> GA?
02:50 <zombie67> ah!
02:50 <zombie67> got it
02:50 <mweltin> to do that you need to (GA = genetic algorithm) do an exhaustive search.
02:50 <zombie67> better than brute forse?
02:50 <zombie67> force
02:50 <mweltin> a GA will give you a "good" path but there is no way to know if that is the optimal paht.
02:51 <mweltin> better in the sense that you can find a good path quickly.
02:51 <zombie67> I thought we were doing BF. that is why i asked earlier about the # of paths
02:51 <zombie67> I get it now
02:51 <mweltin> right now its a BF
02:52 <mweltin> once we have the optimal solution, I'll start to evalutate other algorithms.
02:52 <zombie67> well youhave about 45% of my CP time. That works out to about 13,000 per day
02:52 <mweltin> GA, ant colony optimization, simulated annealing, nearist neighbor something something, and any others I can program.
02:53 <mweltin> NICE!
02:53 <zombie67> TM is going DOWN
02:53 <zombie67> given any more thought to points?
02:53 <mweltin> LOL
02:53 <zombie67> he has a farm of 50
02:53 <zombie67> mine is about 20
02:54 <mweltin> wow
02:54 <zombie67> but mine are much more powerful
02:54 <zombie67> ;)
02:54 <zombie67> he gets free power
02:54 <mweltin> no wonder you were at the top of the boincsynergy stats for my project.
02:55 <mweltin> why is that?
02:55 <zombie67> so he takes all the P2-P4 disacrds
02:55 <mweltin> when I get back home I'll have him host my project.
02:55 <zombie67> he is the admin at a school
02:55 <mweltin> we dont' live too far apart from eachother.
02:55 <mweltin> where are you?
02:55 <zombie67> in fact I just gave him 3 P4s and a P3
02:56 <zombie67> I am in Dublin CA
02:56 <mweltin> that was nice of you.
02:56 <zombie67> too expensive to run, PPD
02:56 <zombie67> Points Per Day
02:57 <Romulus> Title: Google Maps (at maps.google.com)
02:57 <zombie67> coencidence
02:58 <zombie67> I discovered that there was a boinc irc channel the same day he was visiting relatives in the bay area
02:58 <zombie67> we compared farms, was amazed that could afford to run so many
02:59 <zombie67> told him I had 4 boxes sitting idle
02:59 <zombie67> and he took them off my hands
02:59 <mweltin> right on
03:00 <zombie67> exactly.
03:00 <zombie67> purchase cost is so much smaller in the long run
03:00 <zombie67> that is why I will now buy no machine with less than 8 cores
03:00 <zombie67> ;)
03:01 <mweltin> what do you do for a living? buying 8 core boxes and what not. You must be living large.
03:01 <zombie67> in return, he just today helped me upgrade a machine to xp64 for ABC where it crunches 2-3 faster
03:02 <zombie67> I work for Sun Micro
03:02 <zombie67> Product manager
03:02 <mweltin> nice
03:02 <mweltin> both sun and xp64
03:03 <zombie67> the PICMIG 3.0 blade server is mine. just released two new blades. http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-11/sunflash.20071113.1.xml
03:03 <zombie67> the N2 processor is sweet
03:03 <zombie67> 8 core, 8 threads per core
03:03 <zombie67> 64 threads!
03:04 <mweltin> with and AMD chip nice
03:04 <zombie67> sorry, externally, its the T2 processor
03:05 <zombie67> yep
03:05 <zombie67> I currently have a sparc, two AMD, T1, T2, and soon an Intel processor blades
03:06 <mweltin> all you do is crunch boinc stuff or what?
03:06 <mweltin> do you run a project?
03:06 <Romulus> Title: Sun Netra CT900 ATCA Blade Server - NEBS-Certified Carrier Grade Blade Server - Overview (at www.sun.com)
03:06 <zombie67> that is my product at work
03:07 <zombie67> me? Purely a cruncher
03:07 <zombie67> just a stupid user
03:07 <zombie67> :)
03:07 <mweltin> O
03:07 <mweltin> M
03:07 <mweltin> G
03:07 <zombie67> just smart enough to get me in trouble
03:08 <zombie67> that Sun stuff is just my job.
03:08 <zombie67> All my BOINC stuff is done on my own machines
03:08 <mweltin> what is arrier-grade Linux ?
03:08 <zombie67> just for the record
03:08 <zombie67> carrier grade?
03:08 <mweltin> yeah
03:08 <zombie67> wind river
03:08 <zombie67> like that
03:09 <zombie67> carriers must be up five 9s
03:09 <mweltin> 99.999% of the time thing
03:10 <mweltin> works out to a couple min a year or something crazy.
03:10 <Romulus> Title: Linux (at www.windriver.com)
03:10 <zombie67> exactly, but that five nines *after* the decimal
03:10 <mweltin> I know windriver when I worked on the rocket at PSU we had a windriver guy build out flight computer.
03:10 <mweltin> LOL (after decimal)
03:11 <zombie67> ugh
03:11 <zombie67> telcos are wors than the government
03:11 <zombie67> talk about immovable object!
03:11 <mweltin> they have to make money
03:12 <zombie67> you think the military has high standards>!
03:12 <zombie67> brb
03:14 <zombie67> back
03:17 <mweltin> goo
03:17 <mweltin> d
03:17 <zombie67> up to 350 pending!
03:17 <zombie67> good
03:18 <Romulus> is back - this is the server yet.
03:18 <zombie67> any idea on when Mac/PPC will be available?
03:18 <mweltin> yeah I didn't think it would get that high.
03:18 <zombie67> 300 is not that much
03:18 <mweltin> tomorrow, MTughan is usually here
03:18 <zombie67> really
03:19 <mweltin> yeah, is that not soon enough for you?
03:19 <zombie67> what formula did you use for work generation?
03:19 <zombie67> tomorrow is fine\
03:19 <zombie67> like I said, I'm just a user
03:20 <mweltin> 100 - (results_ready_to_send / ntarget_results) = WU's to create
03:20 <zombie67> whatever you decide is okay
03:20 <zombie67> hmm... what is ntarget_results?
03:21 <mweltin> the number of results created per workunit.
03:22 <zombie67> so 100 - (say 50/5 IR) = create 10
03:22 <zombie67> is that right?
03:22 <mweltin> 90
03:22 <mweltin> but yes
03:23 <zombie67> ah!
03:23 <zombie67> bad math
03:23 <mweltin> haha
03:23 <mweltin> new math
03:23 <zombie67> so the more waiting, the more it makes?
03:24 <mweltin> no it tries to keep a queue of 100 I thought.
03:24 <zombie67> 50 waiting created 90
03:24 <mweltin> results_ready_to_send / ntarget is approx. equal to the number of WU's not sent out.
03:25 <mweltin> I want to have 100 WU's waiting at all times
03:25 <mweltin> so yeah I guess its working
03:25 <zombie67> ahhhh!
03:25 <mweltin> ntarget is 3
03:25 <zombie67> I confused WUs and results
03:25 <mweltin> so ready to send / 3 ~ 100
03:26 <mweltin> oh yeah, that is way way way confusing
03:26 <mweltin> it took me a long time, before someone just sent me an email about the WU life cycle.
03:26 <zombie67> that may be okay for the short term. but as more people attach, 100 results could be sucked up by 1 or 2 machines
03:27 <mweltin> the genWork task runs every hour.
03:27 <zombie67> worst case, 8 core box, with a 10 day cache setting
03:27 <zombie67> yeah but 100 per hour may not do it
03:27 <mweltin> so you create a 1 WU, and boinc creates ntarget results, or what you may call tasks.
03:28 <mweltin> there is a 1 to 1 ratio between WU's and Canonical Results.
03:28 <zombie67> 8-core can do 250/day*10 days= 2500 results
03:28 <zombie67> so it will keep sucking and sucking...
03:28 <zombie67> of course
03:28 <mweltin> but there are ntarget results which may or may be equal to the nunber of the quorum.
03:28 <zombie67> the limit
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03:29 <mweltin> I can run the genWork I think as fast as every min if I have to.
03:29 <zombie67> 200 (?) day limit will prevent that
03:29 <zombie67> okay.
03:29 <zombie67> you're probably good
03:30 <zombie67> although now that my 8-way mac is on line, a limit of 300/day would be nice. ;)
03:30 <zombie67> up to you of course
03:30 <mweltin> if I'll monitor this project
03:30 <mweltin> you all keep me on my toes.
03:31 <mweltin> for you zombie67 I'll do it.
03:31 <zombie67> *sweeeet*
03:32 <zombie67> frankly, probably won't be a problem either way. but I can't let TM beat me just cuz I max out
03:32 <zombie67> ;)
03:32 <mweltin> ok done
03:32 <zombie67> danka
03:33 <mweltin> now I have to wait for a result to come in and see if my assimilator mod worked out.
03:34 <zombie67> result from who?
03:34 <zombie67> or what kind of box?
03:34 <mweltin> dosent matter
03:34 <mweltin> just the next one to come in and be assimilated
03:36 <mycosys> what project u run mw?\
03:36 <mweltin> LOL
03:36 <mycosys> ?
03:36 <zombie67> I have none waiting
03:36 <mweltin> guess who got the canonical result for WU 174462?
03:36 <zombie67> moi?
03:37 <mweltin> userid 45 hostid 62, the one the only ZOMBIE67
03:37 <mweltin> mycosys: TSP
03:38 <zombie67> good example.
03:38 <zombie67> one claimed 28
03:38 <zombie67> one claimed 10
03:38 <mweltin> you got 10
03:38 <zombie67> I think average would be better
03:39 <zombie67> My opinion, of course
03:39 <mweltin> what controls the the claimed?
03:39 <zombie67> claimed is based in client
03:39 <zombie67> client claims can be falsified
03:40 <zombie67> so it is possible to claim say 1000
03:40 <mweltin> based on flops or cpu time?
03:40 <zombie67> that is why many projects are moving to fixed credits where possible
03:40 <zombie67> but in this particular case
03:41 <zombie67> it looks like linux is just faster
03:41 <mweltin> apparently there is no good solution to granting credits. No matter what someone has an objection.
03:41 <zombie67> because they are both core2 boxes running at 2.66
03:41 <zombie67> yep
03:42 <zombie67> personally, I like fixed. cheating is impossible.
03:42 <zombie67> but not always possible
03:42 <zombie67> SETI does FLOP counting
03:42 <mweltin> I think it would work for me.
03:42 <mweltin> at least for this BF app.
03:43 <mweltin> everything is pretty much fixed.
03:43 <zombie67> some projects figure out an average and award that.
03:43 <zombie67> over time, it is fair
03:44 <zombie67> getting back to this WU, 10 vs 28 is a HUGE swing
03:44 <mweltin> loop size and fpops should be the same for each.
03:44 <mweltin> yeah that seems odd, was that the lsast one 174462?
03:44 <zombie67> just a sec
03:45 <zombie67> dang. both 2.09
03:45 <zombie67> pick another to look at
03:46 <zombie67> mycosys: he's the admin for tsp
03:46 <zombie67> IR is now only 3?
03:46 <mweltin> you are doing twice as many fpops
03:47 <mweltin> everyone is on 2.09
03:47 <zombie67> another: http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/workunit.php?wuid=174572
03:48 <zombie67> this time the oher guy got the short stick
03:50 <zombie67> mweltin, I know this might seem lime minutae. But you watch what happens as you start getting lots of people joining. Good to work this out now.
03:51 <mweltin> what is going to happen?
03:51 <zombie67> FYI, a comparison chart is here: http://boinc.netsoft-online.com/e107_plugins/boinc/get_cpcs.php
03:52 <mweltin> I have enough results I can calc an fair average and start in with fixed credits.
03:52 <zombie67> what will happen is flame wars on te message boards
03:52 <zombie67> ask TM or POV for their er...point of view
03:53 <zombie67> having a clear (and firm) policy up front will do a lot to mitigate that
03:53 <zombie67> like I said, I am okay whatever way you want to go.
03:54 <zombie67> just be aware of the potential gaming that can go on with each option.
03:54 <mweltin> what the hell did I just look at
03:54 <zombie67> u tell me
03:55 <zombie67> oh, the project comparison?
03:55 <zombie67> tsp is ther too
03:55 <mweltin> yeah, so me vs. seit is 4.xx
03:55 <mweltin> what is the 4.xx
03:55 <mweltin> I grant 4 times the numer of credits?
03:56 <zombie67> there is a horizontal scroll bar on the bottom, not obvious
03:56 <mweltin> my numbers are high across the board.
03:56 <zombie67> anyway, ignore the current numbers
03:57 <zombie67> way too few participants
03:57 <zombie67> plus some may be using over claiming clients
03:57 <zombie67> before you implemented quorum 2
03:58 <zombie67> there are also a *lot* of people who have poked holes in the way this table works
03:58 <zombie67> use it as a guideline, not the "truth"
03:59 <zombie67> when did you implement quorum 2?
03:59 <mweltin> yesterday
03:59 <zombie67> right
03:59 <zombie67> look again in a week
03:59 <zombie67> you are currently running least of 2
04:00 <zombie67> that absolutely kills over-claimers
04:00 <zombie67> unless they get lucky and get two on the same WU
04:00 <zombie67> not likely
04:00 <zombie67> BTW
04:00 <zombie67> what rules do you have wrt a WU
04:01 <mweltin> wrt?
04:01 <zombie67> with regard to
04:01 <zombie67> can I get the same results on the same machine?
04:01 <zombie67> on different machines?
04:01 <mweltin> no rules, yes, its all integer math.
04:02 <mweltin> different machines should produce identical results.
04:02 <zombie67> you should make it so that at least the two results from the same WU cannot go to the same machine
04:02 <Romulus> and thier excuse is - mostly never use it, it's from MS...
04:03 <mweltin> I do that already.
04:03 <zombie67> that is what I am asking
04:03 <mweltin> one_result_per_user_per_wu is set
04:04 <zombie67> okay, that is the most strict i think
04:04 <zombie67> one step down, one result per machine, is probably okay too
04:04 <zombie67> the next step down is too easy to game
04:05 <mweltin> what do you mean "too eady to game"
04:06 <zombie67> if the project is using client benchmarks (claimed) to award, and the same machine can get both results from a WU, then they will get awarded anything they ask for.
04:07 <mweltin> gotch ya
04:08 <zombie67> OTOH, if you restrict it to one result per user, and you don't have enough users, you can get congested.
04:08 <zombie67> IMO, I think one result per machine is best.
04:08 <zombie67> but again I am not an admin.
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04:09 <mweltin> I have to read that page with all the config.xml options again.
04:11 <zombie67> in any case, revisit that site in a week, and see how it looks. Even if you move to the average, it should be slightly less than SETI. optimized apps exist for seti, so they are slightly high
04:11 <mweltin> coudl you drop the url again
04:12 <zombie67> The lattice project does average
04:13 <mweltin> had to add it to my bookmarks
04:13 <zombie67> Project Neuron has a quorum of 3, and uses the middle claim.
04:13 <zombie67> again, these are just estimates at best
04:14 <zombie67> use them as hints, not commandments
04:15 <mweltin> BF will be a fixed credit at some point.
04:15 <zombie67> be forewarned?
04:16 <mweltin> I'll keep track of results, when I have a say 100K I'll take an average and call it good.
04:16 <zombie67> good call.
04:16 <zombie67> that is what QMC does, I think.
04:17 <zombie67> however, the number they come up with is a bit large
04:17 <mweltin> other algorithms might not work as well with that scheme.
04:17 <zombie67> no one complains
04:17 <zombie67> sorry
04:17 <mweltin> perfect, as long as its not an issue that will be great with me.
04:17 <zombie67> there is always *someone* who complaings
04:18 <mweltin> I'd give out 100K credits, what do I care, but Pov said people will care.
04:18 <zombie67> POV is wise
04:18 <mweltin> yup, another wise man once told me.....
04:18 <mweltin> it doesn't take all kinds to make a world, there just are all kinds.
04:19 <zombie67> I am not young enough to know everything. -- Oscar Wilde
04:19 <zombie67> you know POV is a kid, right?
04:20 <mweltin> LOL
04:20 <mweltin> yeah
04:20 <mweltin> he told me one day when no one else was around.
04:20 <zombie67> reminds me of skiing
04:20 <mweltin> he needs to get out more.
04:20 <zombie67> I am on the hairy edge of dying.
04:20 <mweltin> he spends way too much time here.
04:20 <zombie67> and these grade schoosers
04:21 <zombie67> schoolders
04:21 <zombie67> schoolers
04:21 <zombie67> shoot by me like greased lightning
04:21 <mweltin> looks like you are spending too much time here too.
04:21 <zombie67> I work from home
04:22 <mweltin> I mean in #boinc
04:22 <zombie67> so I am here, at work and at play
04:22 <zombie67> want a *real* tip?
04:23 <mweltin> yes
04:23 <mweltin> yes I do
04:23 <Romulus> does yoyo only save data every time I could understnd one empty slot
04:24 <zombie67> you need some GOOd logos
04:24 <zombie67> but that's not the tip
04:25 <zombie67> the tip: Get Cori do design them for you
04:25 <mweltin> well you get what you pay for. I got the ones I have from someone working on the project.
04:25 <mweltin> who is Cori
04:26 <zombie67> she is a fellow cruncher in germany
04:26 <zombie67> many projects have an open "design us a logo" contest.
04:26 <mweltin> there are a ton of Germans out there working on boinc stuff.
04:26 <zombie67> she usually wins
04:26 <mweltin> wow
04:26 <zombie67> and she is great
04:27 <mweltin> is that her user name ?
04:27 <mweltin> I can search my users for her name.
04:27 <zombie67> if you want I can point her here.
04:28 <mweltin> firstname.lastname@example.org
04:28 <zombie67> OTOH, maybe you want to have an open contest
04:28 <mweltin> that one?
04:28 <zombie67> I don't know her email address
04:28 <zombie67> only talked with her on forums'
04:28 <mweltin> I tried to do a logo myself and it sucked something awful.
04:29 <zombie67> hehe
04:29 <mweltin> rebither was teh guy
04:29 <mweltin> he did the ones I have now.
04:29 <zombie67> notice the nqueens link?
04:29 <zombie67> core & reberther
04:30 <mweltin> yeah
04:30 <zombie67> cori & reberther
04:30 <mweltin> that is what reminded
04:30 <zombie67> she's good, and good company
04:30 <zombie67> get her involved, you won't be disapointed
04:30 <mweltin> ok
04:30 <mweltin> will do
04:31 <mweltin> and that was just yesterday.
04:31 <zombie67> she is a graphics artist
04:31 <mweltin> LOL
04:31 <zombie67> anyway, great work all around.
04:31 <zombie67> going to crash
04:31 <mweltin> and you were pushing the server status on that site too.
04:31 <mweltin> LOL
04:32 <mweltin> you too
04:32 <mweltin> thanks
04:32 <zombie67> on which site?
04:32 <mweltin> talk to you later
04:32 <mweltin> NQueens
04:32 <zombie67> ah!
04:32 <zombie67> heh
04:32 <zombie67> okay c ya!
04:32 <mweltin> bye
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05:41 <PriitM> argh, junk. i forgoth to download some extra WUs
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07:17 <MTughan> Well, mweltin's gone now. But I have to leave in about three minutes anyway, so it works out.
07:18 <MTughan> Tank_Master: While you may like the 11m WUs on TSP, these new one are nice in that you get 17 credits per WU. Rather than 3 or 4.
07:18 <MTughan> Although time to compute on 32-bit is about the same ratio...
07:18 <MTughan> Mine take 1h25m.
07:21 <MTughan> Well, I'm off to school.
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09:00 <yoyo[RKN]> moin Romulus
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11:24 <E-30> waa qmc is down again
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12:39 <Bads_Quad> tank you o
12:39 <Bads_Quad> on
12:39 <Bads_Quad> lol
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13:04 <Bads_Quad> morning all
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13:06 <Bads_Quad> hi mw
13:06 <PovAddict> crap
13:06 <PovAddict> spam on boinc wiki again
13:07 <PovAddict> I forgot to restart my trac-spam-deleter script
13:07 <Bads_Quad> that sucks
13:07 <mweltin> hey
13:07 <PovAddict> now deleting
13:07 <Bads_Quad> well i am conviced vista sucks
13:08 <Bads_Quad> backing up just in case going for xp x64
13:08 <mweltin> hey PovAddict zombie67 keeps suggesting a change in the credit granting.
13:08 <mweltin> what do you think of this......
13:09 <PovAddict> just make sure it's not way off from what other projects give
13:09 <mweltin> I wait for about 100k results to come in, and take a average of all the claimed credits.
13:10 <mweltin> zombie pointed out some boinc.netsoft_online.com where they have a big credit granting matirx that compaires you with a bunch of other projects.
13:10 <mweltin> somehow TSP is on there.
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13:12 <mweltin> thats the one yoyo
13:12 <PovAddict> wow
13:12 <PovAddict> wtf
13:12 <ELGono> ahoi
13:12 <PovAddict> seems to be granting more
13:14 <PovAddict> but WH
13:14 <PovAddict> WHY*
13:15 <mweltin> I changed ntarget and added teh server abort, zombie said to check back in a week.
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13:43 <mweltin> hey E
13:43 <PovAddict> boinc server down
13:43 <mweltin> yours?
13:43 <PovAddict> boinc.berkeley.edu
13:43 <E-30> yeqa
13:44 <E-30> qmc is down now
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13:58 <mweltin> just did a quick calc, the average valid credit for version 2.09 of my app is about 20
13:58 <mweltin> that should be good.
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13:58 <mweltin> I'm going to wait for credit granting to become a real issue before I do anything about it.
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13:58 <E-30> hoiw long are the units
13:59 <mweltin> depends a great deal on your box.
13:59 <mweltin> 1.3GHz box single core
13:59 <E-30> on a core 2 duo
13:59 <E-30> 2.43.
14:00 <mweltin> did you join TSP?
14:00 <E-30> yea
14:00 <mweltin> give me a sec I'll check
14:00 <E-30> it was about 15 min last time
14:01 <PovAddict> takes definitely longer...
14:01 <mweltin> well the workuints have not changed in a while.
14:02 <mweltin> I'm not finding you with E-30 for a name
14:04 <E-30> give me the web address again to join
14:04 <Romulus> Title: TSP (at bob.myisland.as)
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14:05 <E-30> thats why i wase30 i forgot the dash
14:06 <MTughan> 'lo all
14:06 <E-30> but i fixed it now
14:06 <PovAddict> oh noes it's MTughan
14:06 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft releases Visual Studio 2008 and .Net Framework 3.5 | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)
14:06 <PovAddict> first comment says it all
14:07 <Bads_Quad> yep
14:09 <mweltin> MTughan: how goes it.
14:09 <mweltin> ?
14:09 <MTughan> Pretty good. Although it seems that credits granted for WUs aren't put into my overall stats.
14:10 <MTughan> Oh, now it's there.
14:10 <mweltin> good
14:11 <MTughan> I moved up 9 spots with that result, and more coming.
14:11 <mweltin> nice
14:12 <PovAddict> >:D
14:12 <MTughan> Let me guess: because you got your dual-core.
14:12 <mweltin> I have to make some coffee, brb
14:12 <MTughan> It's running BOINC all the time, mine's only running for about 14 hours a day.
14:12 <PovAddict> well seems I have been pwning you in credits/day even before I got the dualcore
14:13 <PovAddict> >:D
14:13 <MTughan> &math calc 14/24
14:13 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.583333333333
14:13 <MTughan> I've only been getting 60% of the credits that I could.
14:14 <MTughan> How many computers does he have?
14:15 <PovAddict> he attached many friends' computers on his account >.>
14:15 <MTughan> Or is it a quad-core? Those are some nice numbers...
14:15 <MTughan> Oh.
14:15 <PovAddict> apparently there is a quad on the list
14:15 <PovAddict> with 274k by itself
14:15 <MTughan> Oh...
14:15 <PovAddict> god damnit
14:15 <MTughan> Well, he can go screw himself.
14:15 <PovAddict> lol
14:16 <PovAddict> heh...
14:16 <MTughan> Damn, if I had unlimited resources I could challenge that too!
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14:17 * PovAddict looks at wdsmia
14:17 <MTughan> Yes well... That's a few years of results, isn't it?
14:17 <MTughan> Although the RAC isn;t...
14:17 <PovAddict> he has a 13k RAC
14:17 <MTughan> Is one project not running the decay script?
14:18 <PovAddict> it's 11k as calculated by BOINCStats
14:19 <MTughan> Oh, that's nice... BOINC Manager automatically gets rid of redundant results.
14:19 <PovAddict> "The only truly effective filter against phishing schemes is your wetware."
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14:20 <PovAddict> wetware being the brain
14:20 <MTughan> mweltin: Are we going to get the new Mac apps up? The current Intel one has the bad progress reporting.
14:21 <E-30> wow it went longer now
14:22 <MTughan> What did?
14:22 <PovAddict> tsp wu
14:22 <MTughan> I think they're bigger. Or it's the for loop.
14:23 <PovAddict> maybe his app is old one without the inner loop but with reporting?
14:23 <MTughan> I don't think there'd be that big a difference between a for loop and a while loop...
14:23 <MTughan> Maybe, the dynamically linked expat one did that.
14:23 <PovAddict> I mean the reporting
14:23 <E-30> ok
14:23 <PovAddict> with progress reporting on each iteration
14:23 <MTughan> It had reporting but the long reporting.
14:23 <MTughan> repeating*
14:24 <MTughan> Well, it's computing fine anyway.
14:24 <MTughan> Maybe I can get a stack trace...
14:25 <E-30> its going ok been running for 15 mins no problems
14:25 <MTughan> Hmm... Seems I can't attach to TSP...
14:25 <PovAddict> E-30: what % done?
14:26 <E-30> .229
14:26 <MTughan> Oh, I know why...
14:26 <E-30> .231
14:26 <E-30> .236
14:26 <E-30> going up slowing npw
14:26 <E-30> noe
14:26 <MTughan> Yeah, that's the old app. True percentage is that *100.
14:26 <PovAddict> when it reaches 1% it will be done
14:26 <E-30> ik
14:27 <E-30> i see
14:27 <MTughan> There we go... Can attach now.
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14:30 <MTughan> What the... I think I know crunch3r's real name...
14:30 <MTughan> Path that the app was compiled on is: /Users/matthias/Desktop/APS/boinc/lib/app_ipc.C
14:30 <PovAddict> I'm convincing sethiroth66 to attach all his comps (and the others too :P) to simap, see how fast we can make them run out of work
14:30 <MTughan> That's a BOINC library anyway.
14:31 <PovAddict> &math calc (100648-96391)+(111182-30481)+(58787)+(60904-2)
14:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: 204647
14:31 <PovAddict> 204647 WUs left on simap
14:32 <MTughan> They don't make more?
14:32 <PovAddict> December 1st would be next batch
14:32 <MTughan> You want to drain 200000 WUs in 11 days?
14:32 <PovAddict> there's actually 9854 shown as unsent
14:32 <MTughan> Well, that's easier...
14:33 <PovAddict> and 55k in progress
14:33 <MTughan> &math calc 10000/200000
14:33 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.05
14:33 <MTughan> Only 5% of the value you said...
14:33 <PovAddict> but they probably add more constantly, reading from the "science database"
14:33 <PovAddict> and there's 200k left there
14:34 <PriitM> PovAddict, it might not be much help, but could you use 1 AMD 4200+ doing it as well?
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14:34 <GregorVP> \o/
14:34 <PovAddict> PriitM: sure :P
14:34 * GregorVP slaps PovAddict around a bit with a large trout
14:35 <MTughan> Damn, where's Colloquy when I need it...
14:35 * PovAddict slaps GregorVP, takes the trout and puts it back into the stream
14:35 <PriitM> it's SIMAP right?
14:35 <PovAddict> yeah
14:35 <PovAddict> PriitM: http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/batchmonitor.php
14:38 <MTughan> j #wehatevista
14:38 <MTughan> Damn... :P
14:38 <PriitM> want me to help any particular team as well? I got 4200+ running 24/7 and avg. credit it SETI was ~250.
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14:43 * MTughan still needs to update to 10.4.11... Hehe...
14:44 <PovAddict> my dad had problems with that yesterday
14:44 <PovAddict> after a while (definitely not finished downloading the whole 70MB) it said there was an installation error
14:44 <PovAddict> happened twice
14:45 <PovAddict> he waited an hour and tried again, worked
14:53 <mweltin> MTughan: did you ever get the powerpc 2.09 compiled?
14:54 <mweltin> I guess it would be 2.10 now that the progress is fixed.
14:54 <MTughan> Yeah, package contains both PPC and Intel.
14:55 <mweltin> how much do you rock!
14:56 <mweltin> I'll put those up as soon as I get back from my walk.
14:56 <mweltin> Dog is a little anxious
14:56 <MTughan> Hehe...
14:56 <Romulus> they think the only thing I have a 5.3 over all apps and an error log grow by 100%
14:58 <MTughan> And school's over...
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15:07 <sethiroth66> where is MTughan?
15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> there -------------->
15:08 <sethiroth66> anyway does mac come with free anti-virus? shaftware?
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15:43 <sethiroth66> also where is pov?
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15:43 <TMatWork> he is now
15:44 <sethiroth66> psychic
15:44 <sethiroth66> also PovAddict
15:44 <sethiroth66> breaking news
15:44 <sethiroth66> and you will be shocked
15:44 <PovAddict> ....
15:44 <sethiroth66> i'm concidering getting
15:44 <sethiroth66> IPhone
15:44 <PovAddict> :o
15:44 <PovAddict> :o!
15:45 <Romulus> that's what I grew up not so fair comparison if both edit same line, there is enough to keep or is it still ddr2
15:45 <sethiroth66> :o
15:45 <sethiroth66> DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION 2?
15:45 <sethiroth66> or DDR2 Ram
15:45 <sethiroth66> ?
15:45 <PovAddict> ram probs
15:45 <sethiroth66> Rom's Ram
15:45 <sethiroth66> sounds like a lemonade stand
15:48 <sethiroth66> OMG OMG OMG THERE IS GLASS ON TV AND IT SAYS FRAGILE <3
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15:51 <zombie67> i have an iphone
15:51 <sethiroth66> IkNOW
15:51 <PovAddict> time to install a scanner driver and try to avoid all the extra bundled crap
15:57 <Tank_Master> who would want an icrap?
15:57 <sethiroth66> not me
15:57 <Romulus> ah, sorry about the ice around the world you mean!
15:57 <Tank_Master> yes, rommie
15:57 <Tank_Master> im working as fast as I can to get rid of the ice
15:57 <PriitM> I don't want to start flame, but I think most of apple products itself cost like 20% of the price and 80% is pointless brand chit chat
15:58 <Tank_Master> lol
15:58 <PovAddict> I hate software made in year 2000 still using installers made for Windows 3.1 (
15:58 * Tank_Master things its more like 10% cost and 90% bundeled crap
15:58 <PovAddict> (I swear setup.exe is a 16-bit executable)
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15:58 <PriitM> Tankmaster, that might be true aswell
16:00 <sethiroth66> would windows 3.1 install on a 32bit system?
16:00 <sethiroth66> somehow
16:00 <PovAddict> definitely yes
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16:00 <sethiroth66> i burned it to CD and it didnt boot
16:01 <PovAddict> well win3.1 is not a livecd lol
16:01 <sethiroth66> i know
16:01 <sethiroth66> thats why i tried install
16:01 <PovAddict> I think you need DOS installed first to install 3.1
16:01 <sethiroth66> i'll keep fedora 7 then
16:02 <Tank_Master> windows 3.1 is an app. not an os
16:02 <PovAddict> I wonder if GIMP supports TWAIN on Windows...
16:02 <PovAddict> windows 3.1 is a desktop environment for DOS :)
16:02 <Tank_Master> tep
16:02 <PovAddict> like what KDE is on Linux... just... 1000x crappier
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16:03 <zombie67> yoyo is adding another prioject
16:03 <PovAddict> omfg
16:03 <PovAddict> I installed the wrong driver
16:03 <PovAddict> it's all in FRENCH
16:03 <PovAddict> HOW DO I REMOVE THE DRIVER
16:03 <Tank_Master> haha
16:03 <Tank_Master> uninstall?
16:04 <PovAddict> I noticed the setup.exe thing was just to install the bundled crap
16:04 <zombie67> evolution@home
16:04 <PovAddict> for the TWAIN driver I just plugged the scanner with the install CD in and Windows found the driver there
16:04 <Tank_Master> will that be appart of yoyo, or a seperate url?
16:04 <PovAddict> new app on yoyo or new proj?
16:04 <zombie67> part of yoyo
16:04 <Tank_Master> k
16:04 <PovAddict> I like what he's doing
16:05 <PovAddict> linking existing cool stuff into BOINC
16:05 <Tank_Master> :P
16:05 <PovAddict> BOINCers don't like crunching for non-BOINC projects that need a new client
16:05 <PovAddict> like F@H
16:07 <zombie67> like primegrid, you can choose which sub projects to run
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16:11 <MTughan> mweltin: Mac apps?
16:14 <MTughan> Hey, XP SP3 is in beta...
16:14 <Romulus> i'm scanning ebay.. there were free and public FTP servers to download
16:15 <PovAddict> o_O
16:15 <sethiroth66> should i keep fedora7?
16:21 <MTughan> I like Fedora myself. What else are you considering, sethiroth66?
16:22 <MTughan> Haven't had a chance to upgrade my VM to Fedora 8 yet...
16:22 <sethiroth66> i has hard drive with fedora7 on
16:22 <zombie67> any word on the PPC apps for tsp?
16:23 <MTughan> Wait... PovAddict: About the new Mac apps, if they're going to 1%, that means that it is using the modified for loops.
16:23 <sethiroth66> LOOP HOLES
16:23 <PovAddict> correct
16:23 <MTughan> zombie67: They're made, just waiting for mweltin to put them up.
16:23 <PovAddict> after changing to new loops, before fixing progress
16:23 <MTughan> Yep, that's what crunch3r got.
16:24 <PovAddict> I'm having trouble uninstalling the scanner driver
16:24 <MTughan> brb
16:26 <MTughan> Did mweltin say he was going anywhere?
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16:58 <BadBarbarian_> zombie did you get all the drivers you need last night
16:59 <MTughan> What happened with BadBarbarian?
16:59 <BadBarbarian_> my quad you mean
16:59 <MTughan> No. *points to the underscore*
16:59 <PovAddict> did you grow a tail?
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17:06 <c0dewarrior> guess you pissed off the tai
17:06 <c0dewarrior> *tail
17:06 <MTughan> lol
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17:08 <yoyo_RKN> PovAddict : can I spezify a file with a leading blank in result template, will this work?
17:08 <PovAddict> as in...?
17:08 <PovAddict> <name> foo</name>?
17:08 <yoyo_RKN> yes
17:09 <PovAddict> I think the BOINC XML parser is stupid enough to choke at that
17:09 <yoyo_RKN> I will try and see
17:09 <c0dewarrior> 0_0
17:09 <c0dewarrior> is it a microsoft parser?
17:10 <MTughan> lol
17:10 <MTughan> I wouldn't be surprised.
17:10 <yoyo_RKN> it is a berkeley parser
17:10 <c0dewarrior> so it is a microsoft parser with an opensource license..
17:10 * c0dewarrior hides
17:11 <c0dewarrior> and evening gents..
17:11 <MTughan> 'lo c0dey
17:12 <c0dewarrior> how's life eating you?
17:12 <c0dewarrior> *treating you
17:12 <MTughan> Hey, life could be eating me... :P
17:12 <MTughan> Our robot kicked ass today!
17:12 <c0dewarrior> robot?
17:13 * c0dewarrior pulls his "invasion survival kit" closer
17:13 <MTughan> I'm in a robotics competition with LEGO NXT.
17:13 <c0dewarrior> ahhhh
17:13 <c0dewarrior> videos/photos?
17:13 <MTughan> Nope, sorry. Just a test run anyway.
17:14 <c0dewarrior> test runs makes for nice video's/photos! :-p
17:15 <MTughan> Tomorrow, we're doing another tomorrow.
17:15 <MTughan> Can you get out to Toronto? You could watch it for yourself! :P
17:16 <c0dewarrior> hehehehe, would take me over a day to get there by plane even if I wanted to ;-)
17:16 <MTughan> Nice...
17:25 * CoderForLife throws back the invisibility cloak
17:25 <CoderForLife> hello
17:25 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
17:25 <CoderForLife> hello MT
17:25 <Romulus> well see you folks had another big box to get as festive as some of you own any so it should be no restriction on the Tasks tab, each workunit should get a "file not found"
17:25 <PovAddict> o/
17:26 <CoderForLife> hello PA \o
17:26 <CoderForLife> watzappin
17:26 <MTughan> .NET 3.5 was released...
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17:26 * CoderForLife splodes
17:27 * PovAddict shakes head
17:27 * PovAddict goes back to some Code
17:27 <PovAddict> be careful with .NET
17:27 <CoderForLife> i.e., not .NET
17:28 <PovAddict> C# has a *few* interesting features
17:28 <MTughan> Yeah, what about Brainf***?
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17:28 <MTughan> 'lo BB
17:28 <PovAddict> MTughan: I wouldn't be surprised if there is a BF.NET implementation
17:28 <MTughan> lol
17:28 <PovAddict> there is COBOL.NET
17:28 <CoderForLife> I just had to remind someone at w@#% today that we don't have a strategy that includes .NET
17:28 <MTughan> Yay! ^^
17:28 <PovAddict> and somebody wrote a program that compiles lolcode directly into a .NET executable
17:29 <CoderForLife> poor demented soul
17:29 <PovAddict> they were trying to make a lolcode interpreter in lolcode to prove turing-completeness
17:29 <PovAddict> not long later, the community vanished
17:29 <MTughan> It's gone?
17:30 <PovAddict> well, in a week the IRC channel went almost empty
17:30 <MTughan> Wow...
17:30 <PovAddict> kids found other shiny balls to play with
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17:32 <BadBarbarian> hey MT
17:33 <MTughan> Lost the tail? :P
17:33 <BadBarbarian> \lol
17:37 <zombie67> BB: working great. thanks again
17:38 <BadBarbarian> np you said there was one driver that did''nt work
17:39 <zombie67> yeah, can't recall which one, but aparrently I don't need it to crunch.
17:39 <BadBarbarian> ok
17:39 <CoderForLife> &seen efc
17:39 <Romulus> CoderForLife: efc was last seen in #boinc 19 hours, 1 minute, and 2 seconds ago: <efc> of course, the rated wattages is the output, not the input
17:39 <CoderForLife> oh
17:40 <CoderForLife> must be on the late shift
17:40 <CoderForLife> when's xcamel due to be back?
17:41 <BadBarbarian> thats the best 30.00 dollars i have spent in a while its a life saver lol
17:41 <CoderForLife> Rommie has been hanging in
17:41 <PovAddict> BadBarbarian: what 30 dollars?
17:42 * CoderForLife polishes Rommie's chrome dome and puts two more quarters in his slot
17:42 <MTughan> driveragent.com?
17:42 <BadBarbarian> driveragent
17:42 <BadBarbarian> yep
17:42 <BadBarbarian> scans your windows based systems and finds drivers for you
17:43 <PovAddict> interesting that it has a BIG button saying "scan now, it's FREE"
17:43 <BadBarbarian> scan is free
17:43 <BadBarbarian> downloading costs
17:43 <PovAddict> but that "detail" of course isn't on the front page
17:44 <BadBarbarian> lol
17:44 <PovAddict> "entrance free!"
17:44 <PovAddict> (we'll charge you 40 dollars at the exit)
17:44 <BadBarbarian> lol
17:46 <PovAddict> well I started to mumble about lolcode and didn't finish the other stuff I was saying
17:46 <Tank_Master> its like an ammusment park with free entrence, but 20$ per ryde
17:47 <PovAddict> careful with .NET, don't look too closely at it or you may start to get interested...
17:47 <zombie67> bbl
17:47 <MTughan> lol
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17:47 <PovAddict> it's like Vista and the hawt screenshots with the Aero effect
17:47 <PovAddict> ...tempting o.O
17:47 <Tank_Master> whats tempting about vista for me is the extra 20-25min of war a day I get
17:47 <Tank_Master> work*
17:48 <MTughan> War, work, same diff. xD
17:48 <Tank_Master> only if you are war driving to get access to work
17:49 <PovAddict> initial tests with Vista SP1 show it doesn't solve any performance problems, makes it slightly worse
17:49 <Tank_Master> ive been reasing the oppiste
17:51 <Tank_Master> but still, disk i/o and gammin are way faster than on XP
17:51 <Tank_Master> gaming*
17:51 <Tank_Master> so I ant going back
17:51 <Tank_Master> :)
17:51 <MTughan> XP SP3 is in beta.
17:52 <Tank_Master> yep
17:52 <Tank_Master> wont need a key to install anymore
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17:56 <MTughan> bbiab
17:56 <Tank_Master> k
17:59 <CoderForLife> &seen xcamel
17:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: xcamel was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, and 55 seconds ago: <xcamel> well.. catch you all when I get back..
18:00 <CoderForLife> off to sit and talk to the wife
18:00 <CoderForLife> cya folks
18:00 <Tank_Master> &seen mweltin
18:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <mweltin> Dog is a little anxious
18:00 <Tank_Master> tc
18:00 <Tank_Master> n gl
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18:33 <BadBarbarian> tank you here
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18:48 <BadBarbarian_> lol here twice
18:49 <wdsmia> you want me to fix that?
18:49 <PovAddict> I do :)
18:49 <BadBarbarian_> please
18:49 <BadBarbarian_> wait
18:50 <BadBarbarian_> i will fix it
18:50 <MTughan> You can ghost the old nick.
18:50 <PovAddict> fix it by kicking both
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18:50 <Romulus> ok that's a good day E-30, FreeLarry & Spit_theDog :)
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18:50 <PovAddict> &seen Spit_theDog
18:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: Spit_theDog was last seen in #boinc 26 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 21 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Spit_theDog> Bye for now all :)
18:50 <PovAddict> gosh darn it
18:50 <BadBarbarian_> wierd
18:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia
18:50 <PovAddict> both!
18:51 <PovAddict> >:)
18:51 <PovAddict> (:<
18:51 *** BadBarbarian was kicked by wdsmia (Out, damn spot, out I say)
18:51 <MTughan> BadBarbarian_: /msg NickServ GHOST BadBarbarian <password>
18:51 <BadBarbarian_> thant
18:51 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia
18:51 <BadBarbarian_> thanx
18:51 <MTughan> /nick BadBarbarian
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18:55 <MTughan> New one!
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18:55 <MTughan> BadBarbarian is taken... :(
18:55 <BadBarbarian_> yep lol
18:55 <BadBarbarian_> its not a problem
18:56 <BadBarbarian_> darn cant find my key for xp x64 in the middle of an install
18:56 <PovAddict> abort install
18:56 <PovAddict> take CD out
18:56 <PovAddict> insert Linux CD
18:56 <wdsmia> now that is a problem lol
18:56 <PovAddict> reboot
18:56 <BadBarbarian_> lol
18:57 <PovAddict> missing license key not a problem anymore
18:57 <MTughan> lol
18:57 <MTughan> This is where you say "That was vaguely amusing." xD
18:57 <BadBarbarian_> lol povaddict if i had the knowage to run linux i would
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19:31 <MTughan> 'lo e
19:33 <efc> hey
19:33 <mweltin> ok I'm back
19:33 <mweltin> that took a while
19:33 <MTughan> Mac apps?
19:33 <mweltin> I did get ot help disect a dophin
19:33 <mweltin> I'm doing it right now.
19:33 <MTughan> Interesting...
19:34 <MTughan> Not sure I'd want to dissect a dolphin, but it sounds interesting.
19:34 <mweltin> it was cool
19:34 <mweltin> it washed up dead yesterday at the umu.
19:37 <mweltin> MTughan: these have the correct progress ticker right?
19:37 <MTughan> Yes.
19:37 <mweltin> ok you then have the first 2.10 versions out
19:39 <mweltin> ok start downloading your app!
19:39 <mweltin> many thanks MTughan
19:41 <MTughan> I guess it still needs to be mirrored by PovAddict...
19:41 <mweltin> I failed to mirror the last ones and it worked out ok.
19:41 <mweltin> I should depricate the current ones.
19:41 <MTughan> Yeah, it's just slower and harder on your bandwidth.
19:41 <mweltin> yeah
19:42 <mweltin> oddly enough I didn't notice too much of a slow down on myside.
19:42 <MTughan> Not a slowdown on your side. It's just slow for us.
19:43 <wdsmia> back Keg lines are now clean... one nasty job that has a sweet reward at the end :-)
19:45 <mweltin> I can't believe credits are such a volatile issue.
19:46 <wdsmia> its the only pay we get
19:46 <mweltin> science for the sake of science? no reward there?
19:47 <MTughan> Wow... a $7000 bike frame... http://www.news.com/Is-this-bike-made-from-spider-webs/2100-1008_3-6219404.html
19:47 <mweltin> for 7k it should massage my butt for me while I ride.
19:47 <MTughan> How about being 2.7lbs?
19:48 <mweltin> not a bad start, is it made out of snow lepard?
19:48 <MTughan> Oh, and that's just the frame. The full bike is $12k.
19:48 <PovAddict> dinner ->
19:48 <MTughan> Bye.
19:49 <mweltin> later
19:49 <mweltin> MTughan: you beat me to the 2.10 and I have the source on my box.
19:49 <mweltin> I'm slacking
19:50 <MTughan> That's the advantage of having a Makefile. Makes both, then bunzips them. :D
19:51 <mweltin> I have all I need I just didn't think to do it.
19:51 <mweltin> do you know Augustine?
19:51 <MTughan> Person? No.
19:51 <mweltin> he offered to build a linux 64 app.
19:51 <MTughan> Nice...
19:52 <mweltin> I trust you all, but I don't know this guy. I was wondering if you knew him. Zombie67 things he knows him, and said he was alright.
19:53 <MTughan> Well, I'd offer to build it, but I don't have a 64-bit box, let alone a 64-bit Linux box.
19:54 <MTughan> Weasel Stomping Day!
19:54 * MTughan is listening to Weasel Stomping Day by Weird Al Yankovic from Straight Outta Lynwood
19:55 <mweltin> mmmmm good times.
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20:06 <QrX> Hello
20:06 <MTughan> 'lo QrX
20:07 <QrX> anyone experienced connection troubles with seti server ?
20:07 <QrX> Hi Mister coder :p
20:08 <Romulus> Title: SETI@home (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
20:08 <QrX> yup but data server seems to have some troubles or maybe its due to lot cons at the same time now
20:08 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
20:08 <wdsmia> network is really lagging there
20:09 <MTughan> Master science database is disabled.
20:09 <mweltin> are they in American Samoa?
20:09 <MTughan> lol, no. Berkeley California.
20:09 <QrX> :p
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20:25 <blendtux-away> so is burp already up and running
20:25 <MTughan> There's not BURP WUs.
20:26 <MTughan> no*
20:26 <Romulus> Title: love.c by ~squatch on deviantART (at squatch.deviantart.com)
20:27 <PovAddict> mweltin: Augustine is known for pushing to get 64-bit apps on all projects
20:27 <PovAddict> and built some of the first 64-bit boinc clients before there was the official one
20:27 <mweltin> so he is a good guy.
20:28 <PovAddict> I'm gonna mirror the mac apps
20:28 <PovAddict> .10?
20:28 <PovAddict> hmm seems I'm not hosting the .09 either
20:29 <MTughan> No, you weren't.
20:29 <blendtux-away> np burp WUs, what are burp wus MTughan
20:29 <PovAddict> gonna free some space
20:29 <mweltin> ye
20:29 <MTughan> blendtux-away: BURP workunits.
20:29 <mweltin> 10 has the progess bar fix
20:29 <PovAddict> mweltin: remove the redirects for old apps, except .08's
20:29 <blendtux-away> what does that mean, nobody is willing to share his cpu cycles
20:30 <PovAddict> blendtux-away: means the server admin hasn't put more work yet
20:30 <MTughan> I've got two TSP WUs running right now, then two more on the old app. Then I have two WUs ready to run with the new one.
20:30 <blendtux-away> oh isee
20:30 <blendtux-away> oke thansk
20:31 <PovAddict> mweltin: md5s for .09s and .10s plz
20:31 <mweltin> PovAddict: the opaque field was a great call, now I can even give credit to whoever finds the shortest path to date with ease.
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20:31 <MTughan> PovAddict: Just wondering... Would it be possible for me to compile the Linux apps on my machine? I guess with the right cross-compiler.
20:31 <MTughan> 'lo zombie
20:31 <MTughan> New PPC app up.
20:31 <PovAddict> MTughan: maybe...
20:31 <mweltin> would you crank out a 10 for widows in mingW?
20:31 <zombie67> sweet!
20:32 <MTughan> New Intel app up, with progress fix.
20:32 <MTughan> They're being mirrored right now.
20:32 <zombie67> my PII linux box just finished a task, just over 7 hours
20:32 <MTughan> lol, nice.
20:32 <MTughan> Anyway, bbiab
20:32 <mweltin> ouch
20:32 <mweltin> how much credit did you get.
20:32 <PovAddict> updating boinc api from svn
20:32 <mweltin> one guy already piped up on fixed credits on the forum.
20:33 <PovAddict> I think there were no changes, but anyway...
20:33 <mweltin> didn't like them, said they granted too much or to little.
20:33 <PovAddict> updating tsp
20:33 <blendtux-away> if i have one credit how long can i render something
20:34 <zombie67> only asked for 11
20:34 <PovAddict> crap on a stick
20:34 <zombie67> my wingman will not be happy
20:34 <PovAddict> makefile conflicts
20:34 <mweltin> I was thinking of 20 credits fixed.
20:34 <PovAddict> who edited the makefiles >.>
20:34 <zombie67> that poster made no sense to me at all
20:35 <mweltin> not much of an argument, just didn't like it that was about all he said.
20:35 <BadBarbarian_> hey zombie how the weather in Dublin
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20:35 <zombie67> &weather 94568
20:35 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 55.9°F / 13.3°C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Clear. Lows around 40. Northwest winds around 5 mph.;
20:35 <BadBarbarian_> lol
20:35 <zombie67> &more
20:35 <Romulus> zombie67: Error: That's all, there is no more.
20:36 <zombie67> mweltin: I looked at my machines
20:36 <mweltin> wait you are missing a bestPath in your stderr
20:36 <zombie67> they all aked for either 19 or 27
20:36 <mweltin> that is strange.
20:36 <zombie67> who, me?
20:36 <mweltin> yeah
20:37 <zombie67> averaging my macbines, I think 20 is a bit low.
20:37 <zombie67> maybe 24 or 35
20:37 <BadBarbarian_> &zip info 94568
20:37 <BadBarbarian_> lol
20:37 <zombie67> 24 or 25
20:38 <PovAddict> mweltin: md5s for .09s and .10s plz
20:38 <mweltin> I took 6k results and took an avg of claimed_credits for valid results.
20:38 <mweltin> ok PovAddict
20:38 <mweltin> just a sec
20:38 <zombie67> but whatevery oyou choose is okay by me
20:39 <PovAddict> and I have the mingw build
20:39 <zombie67> brb
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20:41 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
20:41 <zombie67> back
20:42 <mweltin> PovAddict: you only mirror the mac's 2.10, linux_i686, and win 32bit.
20:43 <zombie67> woot! my quad G5 just picked up some RSP work.
20:43 <mweltin> or at least that is all I'm redirecting to you.
20:43 <zombie67> tsp
20:43 <PovAddict> tsp_2.10_i686-apple-darwin, tsp_2.10_i686-pc-linux-gnu, tsp_2.10_powerpc-apple-darwin mirrored
20:43 <mweltin> 2.09 win?
20:43 <zombie67> d/l ing 2.10
20:43 <PovAddict> still not downloaded from you
20:44 <mweltin> you gave it to me.
20:44 <mweltin> 2.9 win is your mingW build.
20:44 <PovAddict> the .09 win is from two days ago
20:44 <mweltin> yes
20:44 <mweltin> we never did a redirect for it.
20:45 <PovAddict> I never put it on the mirror
20:45 <mweltin> not that I know of.
20:45 <PovAddict> ok all five mirrored now
20:45 <mweltin> ok
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20:45 <mweltin> apache is restarted.
20:48 <mweltin> So here is the deal
20:48 <mweltin> friday I'm going to stop the work generator.
20:49 <mweltin> let the WU's run out, then on monday I'm going to reset the sequence generator and TSP will be on official project.
20:49 <mweltin> we will be out of BETA.
20:50 <zombie67> got a bunch of 2.10s on my intel macs too.
20:50 <PovAddict> one download hit on mirror
20:50 <mweltin> I'll ask crunch3r to complie the 2.10's for win 32 and 64.
20:50 <PovAddict> partial (resumed) download of tsp_2.10_powerpc-apple-darwin
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20:51 <zombie67> does win64 add any speed?
20:51 <zombie67> to tsp?
20:51 <mweltin> I dont know, I dont have a 64bit anything.
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20:52 <mweltin> I would doubt it, math is simple and shouldn't require 64bits but honestly I'm not positive on that.
20:52 <mweltin> I noticed I let a lot of details slip trying to move forward.
20:53 <PovAddict> you should work on a decent app...
20:53 <PovAddict> you know, one that doesn't use bruteforce :)
20:53 <mweltin> there were a lot of time I thought, I should do this or that, but always said I'll get back to that later, and then never did.
20:53 <PovAddict> that's what notes are good for
20:53 <mweltin> PovAddict: that is the plan.
20:54 <mweltin> I have an entire note book full of chicken scratches regarding things to do.
20:54 <mweltin> genetic algorithm is next,
20:54 <mweltin> followed by ant colony optimization.
20:54 <mweltin> then some nearest neighbor methods.
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20:56 <zombie67> I'm off to watch MNF
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20:58 <PovAddict> heh
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20:58 <PovAddict> "how do I grant credits more fairly without having the community eat me alive"?
20:59 <mweltin> I just posted that to the project list.
20:59 <mweltin> I asked for advice on granting credits.
20:59 <PovAddict> yep, I commented that after seeing the new message notification
20:59 <mweltin> LOL, you don't miss a beat PovAddict
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21:10 <PovAddict> not getting too many downloads
21:10 <PovAddict> did you redir the .09 win?
21:11 <MTughan> I downloaded 2.10 already from his server.
21:11 <mweltin> yea tsp_2.09_windows_intelx86.exe
21:11 <mweltin> they have been up for a long time
21:11 <PovAddict> well strange I didn't get a single download of that yet
21:11 <mweltin> I would assume most people have the 2.09 already.
21:12 <PovAddict> right...
21:12 <mweltin> I never redriected it to you.
21:12 <MTughan> Does it have the progress issue/fix?
21:12 <mweltin> either I had to run or you did I forget.
21:12 <mweltin> 2.10 has the progress fix.
21:12 <MTughan> No, 2.09 Win.
21:12 <mweltin> no 2.09 win goes from 0-1%->100%
21:13 <mweltin> in all versions
21:13 <PovAddict> I sent you the .10 mingw...
21:13 <mweltin> cool
21:13 <PovAddict> IRC private message
21:13 <PovAddict> didn't you get it?
21:13 <mweltin> checking now
21:13 <MTughan> wdsmia: You can change the title, right?
21:14 <mweltin> where did you send it?
21:14 <PovAddict> I gave you the link via IRC private message
21:14 <MTughan> The versions are out. Windows and OS X are on 5.10.30.
21:14 <MTughan> *nix is still on 5.10.28.
21:15 <mweltin> it could be because I'm using irssi and I have no idea how it works.
21:15 <MTughan> lol
21:15 <PovAddict> fair enough
21:15 <mweltin> when I type who I don't get a list, but I have not taken the time to read the man page.
21:15 <MTughan> PovAddict: What're the numbers? First 8 are the date, I can tell... Last 4 are time?
21:16 <PovAddict> 2007 nov 19 22:39
21:16 <MTughan> So about 35 minutes ago.
21:16 <PovAddict> hrm
21:16 <PovAddict> 184.108.40.206 is downloadingit, and 220.127.116.11 is downloading it *twice*
21:16 <PovAddict> wtf
21:17 <MTughan> mweltin is the first one.
21:17 <mweltin> 202 is me
21:17 <mweltin> as MTughan has already pointed out.
21:18 <PovAddict> and the other IP maps to turing.morons.org
21:18 <MTughan> lol
21:19 <mweltin> strange I'm not getting hte download box in firefox.
21:19 <mweltin> LOL
21:20 <mweltin> I'm just hanging waiting for a response from stuff.povaddict
21:20 <PovAddict> I killed apache to get rid of the morons.orgt
21:20 <mweltin> and then it failed to connect
21:20 <PovAddict> try again
21:20 <mweltin> starnge
21:20 <mweltin> I'm using wget
21:20 <PovAddict> get it again
21:20 <mweltin> that should be no probem right
21:21 <mweltin> now we are getting somewhere.
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21:22 <MTughan> Weird... No one here seems to have that IP.
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21:23 <MTughan> What was that?
21:23 <mweltin> I switched to xchat
21:23 <mweltin> see if I like ti better than irssi
21:24 <mweltin> well I like irssi better but this maybe easier to use.
21:24 <MTughan> As I said while you were gone. No one on this channel seems to have the 208 IP.
21:24 <Tank_Master> mw!
21:24 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a dull IE Version 5.5
21:24 <mweltin> ahh Tank_Master
21:24 <MTughan> I love having Colloquy back...
21:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia
21:25 <MTughan> And we all fall silent as wdsmia flexes his op muscles...
21:25 *** wdsmia changes topic to "BOINC | stats & logs: http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/ Versions: all dev: 5.10.30 windows, Windows x64, 5.10.30 osx/darwin, 5.10.28 *nix/32/64 | Romulus (&) is the channel bot"
21:25 * Tank_Master look up an the imposing wdsmia and backs away slowly
21:26 <MTughan> lol
21:26 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia
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21:27 <MTughan> Well, I'm off to read a book for a while. TSP will continue on...
21:27 <MTughan> 'lo BB
21:28 <mweltin> bye
21:28 * wdsmia looks down at Tank_Master and figures he's not worth the trouble
21:29 <MTughan> Hear that Tank_Master? You're insignificant.
21:29 <MTughan> xD
21:30 * Tank_Master is happy now
21:30 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with a hidden insignificance
21:31 * PovAddict deletes tsp exe from his www
21:31 <wdsmia> Hmmm kick entire room never seen that option before
21:31 <MTughan> Yeah...
21:31 <Tank_Master> LOL
21:31 <MTughan> I dearly hope you're not thinking of using it.
21:31 * MTughan beats up MTughan with a silver thermonuclear weapon
21:31 <MTughan> I gave him the idea...
21:32 <Tank_Master> my, grandma, thats one biig boot you have there..
21:32 <wdsmia> thats grandpa :P
21:32 <MTughan> Oh, so you aren't a cross-dresser. Phew! :P
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21:33 <PovAddict> &math calc 400 / 3
21:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: 133.333333333
21:33 <PovAddict> had it right
21:35 <Tank_Master> lol
21:35 <PovAddict> mweltin:
21:35 <PovAddict> fail
21:35 <PovAddict> you redirected 2.10 win to my server without even telling me - it's not there
21:35 <PovAddict> so clients are failing the download
21:35 <mweltin> oh I thought you said it was up
21:36 <wdsmia> PovAddict quick whats 2+2 without using a calculator
21:36 <MTughan> 4
21:36 <PovAddict> no, I said "I gave it to you, go update the version" :P
21:36 <PovAddict> wdsmia: 4
21:36 <PovAddict> MTughan: nobody asked you
21:36 <MTughan> :DDDD
21:36 <mweltin> ok that is fixed.
21:36 <mweltin> done
21:36 <mweltin> version update
21:36 <mweltin> is done
21:37 <PovAddict> ok, now I'll put it on the mirror
21:37 <PovAddict> 3.66K/s
21:37 <mweltin> I assume you have the md5, or does it change when the name of the app changes?
21:37 <PovAddict> I don't have md5
21:37 <PovAddict> and I deleted my file here after you downloaded it
21:37 <mweltin> want it?
21:38 <PovAddict> wait I think I have it...
21:38 <PovAddict> 3966509451ed44de5c11cccb8a80f0d3
21:38 <mweltin> yeah thats it
21:39 <PovAddict> 2.2KB/s
21:39 <mweltin> good day in samoa
21:39 <MTughan> Hehe... Some people with way too much time on their hands. http://lug.oregonstate.edu/events/firefox/crop-circle
21:39 <Romulus> Title: Take Back the Field | Oregon State Linux Users Group (at lug.oregonstate.edu)
21:40 <PovAddict> up
21:40 <PovAddict> get the redirection back
21:40 <Tank_Master> MT, you dont think alians did it?
21:40 <mweltin> done
21:42 <MTughan> &math convert 10000 feet to kilometers
21:42 <Romulus> MTughan: 3.048
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21:54 <mweltin> I gotta go study for my advanced dive cert I'll see you all later.
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22:39 <Tank_Master> yes! mw finally updated my stats
22:40 <Tank_Master> +30k for the day
22:40 <wdsmia> to bad he is going to wipe it all out at the end of the week
22:41 <Tank_Master> WWAHH!
22:41 <Tank_Master> your kidding...
22:41 <wdsmia> nope
22:41 <Tank_Master> why on god's green earth would he do that?
22:41 <wdsmia> read the tsp home page
22:42 <Tank_Master> I was refering to miklyway...
22:43 <wdsmia> Oh ok sorry was wondering how you got 30k on tsp lol
22:43 <Tank_Master> hehe
22:44 <Tank_Master> yeah, that would be a cool though
22:45 <Tank_Master> and to think I did break 10k to...
22:45 * wdsmia thinks he broke 49 lol
22:46 <Tank_Master> lmao
22:46 <Tank_Master> big numers there ;)
22:46 <Tank_Master> zombie isnt going to be happy...
22:48 <wdsmia> as mweltin said people crunch for the science not the credit
22:48 <Tank_Master> rriiigghhht
22:49 <Tank_Master> I coined the fraze "the science of collecting credit"
22:49 <wdsmia> rofl
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