IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2007-11-19

00:00 <zombie67> odd...BOINCstats can't find "jedirock"

00:00 <MTughan> It was a bug fixed earlier today and in my apps, but I don't think it's in crunc3r's.

00:00 <MTughan> zombie67: mtughan there...

00:00 <MTughan> I have no idea where it got it from, but it did.

00:00 <Bads_Quad> hey tank it don't mater open closed extra fans still running at 60c

00:00 <zombie67> TM:  they take 2 hours

00:00 <Tank_Master> 1h11min on mine

00:00 <MTughan> The only place I used mtughan was at WCG.

00:01 <MTughan> Tank_Master: What percentage are your apps at?

00:01 <Tank_Master> wating to report

00:01 <mycosys> it is broke btw, that is why we need an extra level of microcose interpreters around risclike cores, lost power that could be used pfor processing

00:01 <MTughan> Oh, they're done...

00:01 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:01 <zombie67> MT:  you must have a project listed as mtughan, and that makes thing messy

00:01 <MTughan> Yeah, WCG.

00:02 <MTughan> Don't ask why I did that, I did.

00:02 <MTughan> All others are under jedirock.

00:02 <zombie67> fix it

00:02 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:02 <Tank_Master> fix it now

00:02 <Tank_Master> ;)

00:02 <MTughan> Can I change my name?

00:02 <Tank_Master> yes

00:03 <MTughan> Oh, I can...

00:03 <MTughan> Done.

00:03 <MTughan> Should change BOINCStats the next time it's checked.

00:03 <zombie67> Ah!  Shorter suddenly.  My 3ghz C2g is now down to 1:20  http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/results.php?hostid=67

00:03 <MTughan> Don't hold me to that though.

00:03 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Li> (at bob.myisland.as)

00:04 <Tank_Master> I got 2k pending

00:04 <zombie67> TM:  what kind of OC madness is 1:11?

00:04 <Tank_Master> a massive 3.07GHz

00:04 <Tank_Master> from 2.66

00:04 <zombie67> 2400 pending here

00:05 <Tank_Master> you have more hig end system

00:05 <zombie67> that 3.07 is netburst crap

00:05 <Tank_Master> I bet my

00:05 <Tank_Master> P3 WUs dont go to pending often

00:05 <zombie67> no way this is faster than 3.0 C2Q

00:05 <zombie67> what givs?

00:05 <Tank_Master> mine is a core2duo

00:05 <Tank_Master> you know that

00:05 <zombie67> are you using crunch3r client?

00:05 <Tank_Master> no, well technically yes

00:05 <zombie67> Ah!

00:06 <zombie67> looking backwards.

00:06 <zombie67> OC *to* 3.07

00:06 <Tank_Master> its just what is sent out

00:06 <zombie67> 3.07 was the speed of old XEON

00:06 <Tank_Master> yes

00:06 <zombie67> sorry

00:06 <Tank_Master> hehe

00:06 <zombie67> beb

00:06 <Tank_Master> and the last 533MHz buss P4

00:07 <zombie67> (*&^#$ ie7 broght the whole process to a halt, asking for approval.

00:07 <Bads_Quad> yep it will do that

00:07 <Tank_Master> approvel for waht?

00:08 <Bads_Quad> to install

00:08 <Tank_Master> ahh, right

00:08 <zombie67> "do you want to install?"

00:08 <zombie67> do you approve?

00:08 <Tank_Master> yes

00:08 <Tank_Master> yes

00:08 <zombie67> do you want to click next?

00:08 <Tank_Master> yes

00:08 <Bads_Quad> tank check this wu from the quad

00:08 <Tank_Master> yes

00:08 <Bads_Quad> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=179263050

00:08 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Ll> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

00:08 <Tank_Master> nice time

00:09 <MTughan> &convert 25000 seconds to hours

00:09 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: The command "convert" is available in the Currency and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "convert".

00:09 <MTughan> &math convert 25000 seconds to hours

00:09 <Romulus> MTughan: 6.94444444444

00:09 <MTughan> &math convert 8000 seconds to hours

00:09 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.22222222222

00:09 <MTughan> Nice...

00:09 <zombie67> with OSX, you get a dialog box that pops up when it sees there is one available.  you click okay, enter your root passwd.

00:09 <zombie67> thats it

00:09 <zombie67> 6.9444444444

00:09 <zombie67> oh

00:09 <zombie67> 3600 sec/hr

00:10 <zombie67> 86,400/day

00:10 <MTughan> Yep.

00:10 <MTughan> 27.7m/s=100km/h

00:10 <zombie67> back of hand

00:10 <zombie67> brb

00:10 <Tank_Master> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/workunit.php?wuid=174377

00:10 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Ln> (at bob.myisland.as)

00:10 <Tank_Master> thats how long my core2 takes in 64bit

00:11 <MTughan> Under an hour... Nice.

00:11 <Tank_Master> &math convert 3500 sec into hr

00:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: intohr is not a valid unit.

00:11 <Bads_Quad> &math convert 7,827.92 seconds to hours

00:11 <Romulus> Bads_Quad: Error: 7,827.92 is not a valid unit.

00:11 <zombie67> rebooting

00:11 <Tank_Master> &math convert 3500 seconds to hours

00:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 0.972222222222

00:12 <Bads_Quad> &math convert 7,827 seconds to hours

00:12 <Romulus> Bads_Quad: Error: 7,827 is not a valid unit.

00:12 <MTughan> Bads_Quad: Take out the comma.

00:12 <Bads_Quad> ok

00:12 <MTughan> &math convert 7827.92 seconds to hours

00:12 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.17442222222

00:12 <Bads_Quad> &math convert 7827.92 seconds to hours

00:12 <Romulus> Bads_Quad: 2.17442222222

00:12 <Tank_Master> take the damn comma out

00:12 <Bads_Quad> did

00:12 <Tank_Master> I know

00:12 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a fuzzy book by Stephen King

00:12 <Bads_Quad> thats my adverage wu on seti

00:12 <Tank_Master> slow

00:13 <Tank_Master> but it is only 2.4GHz

00:13 <zombie67> my TSP crunching will be marginally reduced, as this PD 940 will be 100% ABC for a while.

00:13 <Tank_Master> you need to o/c the sucker

00:13 <Bads_Quad> how lol

00:13 <Tank_Master> carefully

00:13 <MTughan> lol

00:13 <Bads_Quad> its way better than anything else i have

00:13 <MTughan> Wait, o/c the quad?

00:14 <Bads_Quad> i think 4 wu every 2 hrs is great

00:14 <Tank_Master> the one thats burring up as it is, yeah

00:14 <zombie67> found 5 more (+28) installing now

00:14 <Bads_Quad> lol its hot now

00:14 <Tank_Master> nother one finised in 58min 10sec

00:14 <zombie67> me?  cannot OC any dell

00:15 <Tank_Master> you might be able to do a software o/c

00:15 <Bads_Quad> no my gateway

00:15 <zombie67> SW OC??

00:15 <Bads_Quad> isit free

00:15 <MTughan> Damn you Tank_Master... 55 minutes for 64%...

00:15 <Tank_Master> yes its free

00:15 <zombie67> details

00:15 <Tank_Master> sorry MT ;)

00:15 <Bads_Quad> link please

00:16 <mycosys> u cant do a SW OC, u can only use SW that causes ur HW to OC

00:16 <MTughan> WTF? My results... http://bob.myisland.as/tsp//results.php?hostid=322

00:16 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Lt> (at bob.myisland.as)

00:16 <Tank_Master> not exactly

00:17 <MTughan> Why do some of those results have 0 credit granted?

00:17 <Bads_Quad> not good mt

00:17 <Tank_Master> you know the techneq in a CPU to reduse the speed if its overhewating?

00:17 <zombie67> I know the XS guys were working on a SW OC for dual socket XEONS

00:17 <MTughan> All those client errors are the MD5 errors we were having.

00:17 <mycosys> underclocking?

00:17 <zombie67> brb

00:17 <Tank_Master> also if its idle, it lower the CPU speeD?

00:17 <Tank_Master> thats controled by software

00:17 <mycosys> uhuh

00:17 <Tank_Master> o/cing just goes the oppisate way

00:18 <MTughan> Bads_Quad: Except for the compute errors, those were because I moved a dynamic library. Hehe...

00:18 <zombie67> ugh, the .NET updates take FOREVER to install

00:18 <Tank_Master> yes they do

00:18 <mycosys> i know dude, but its still using hardware, and VERY little OC is not controlled by SW

00:18 <Tank_Master> esp .net 2.0

00:18 <Bads_Quad> 3 is the worst

00:18 <Tank_Master> http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php but tis no longer there

00:18 <Romulus> Title: CPUID (at www.cpuid.com)

00:19 <Tank_Master> no, 2 is slower than 3

00:19 <MTughan> WTF? "Validate state: Invalid"?

00:19 <Tank_Master> for 3 is an extention to 2

00:19 <zombie67> no, *I'm* wrong!...no *I* am!

00:19 <Tank_Master> ok

00:19 <Tank_Master> if you insist

00:23 <zombie67> what was that web site again for drivers?

00:24 <Bads_Quad> driveragent.com

00:25 <Bads_Quad> now the installs maynot work but the drivers will

00:25 <Bads_Quad> you may have to manualy install the drivers

00:25 <zombie67> ??  $30/year?

00:26 <Bads_Quad> yep

00:26 <zombie67> WTF

00:26 <Bads_Quad> i payed it dcc for login

00:26 <zombie67> dcc?

00:26 <Bads_Quad> dcc me

00:26 <Bads_Quad> like before

00:27 <Bads_Quad> private

00:29 <Bads_Quad> call me privately

00:29 <Bads_Quad> i will give you login

00:30 <Tank_Master> do it on the other server

00:31 <Tank_Master> this one has some funky security on it

00:31 <MTughan> You need to be registered to send private messages.

00:32 <MTughan> Wait, you both are... Okay, nvm.

00:33 <Tank_Master> hehe

00:33 <MTughan> I should know better than to underestimate you two. :P

00:34 <Tank_Master> or understand

00:35 <zombie67> w00t!

00:35 <Tank_Master> got it to work?

00:35 <zombie67> driveragent.com found like 20

00:35 <zombie67> and with a reboot each....

00:36 <zombie67> ugh

00:36 <zombie67> still, *very* handy!

00:36 <MTughan> That's Windows for you! xD

00:36 <zombie67> windows system panel saw only 5

00:37 <Tank_Master> most of what driver sees are old ones

00:37 <zombie67> right, functional but older

00:38 <zombie67> should I just update them all?  or just the ones that don't work

00:38 <zombie67> brb

00:39 <Bads_Quad> &weather 86046

00:39 <Romulus> Bads_Quad: Temperature: 34.2F / 1.2C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 23.77in / 804.9hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 26 to 36. Light winds.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs 63 to 69. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the late morning and afternoon.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 31 to 39. Southwest winds around 15 mph.;

00:40 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

00:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 43.8F / 6.6C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows 35 to 40. Light wind.; Monday - Showers likely. Highs 45 to 50. Light wind becoming southwest 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy with a slight (1 more message)

00:40 <Tank_Master> &more

00:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: chance of showers. Lows in the lower to mid 30s. West wind 10 to 15 mph in the evening becoming light.;

00:41 <Tank_Master> I thinkk I see a pater there...

00:41 <Tank_Master> pattern*

00:41 <Bads_Quad> lol

00:42 <mycosys> &weather 2278

00:42 <Romulus> mycosys: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

00:43 <mycosys> oh wel, 30deg C an sunny as anything

00:46 <zombie67> back

00:46 <zombie67> ugh, this may take a while

00:46 <zombie67> can't just let it go

00:46 <zombie67> ok

00:46 <zombie67> ok

00:46 <zombie67> ok

00:46 <zombie67> ok

00:46 <zombie67> ugh

00:46 <mycosys> ok

00:50 <MTughan> All right, I'm off to bed.

00:50 <MTughan> &nn all

00:50 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

00:51 <Tank_Master> gn mt

00:51 <mycosys> night? but its only 10 to 5 in the arvo :P

00:51 <mycosys> hav a gr8 1 dude

00:51 <MTughan> Arvo?

00:52 <mycosys> afternoon

00:52 <MTughan> Ah...

00:52 <MTughan> lol, almost 1AM here.

00:52 <MTughan> I have to be up at 6:40AM for school.

00:52 <Romulus> yeah I have a problem like this would be useful

00:52 <mycosys> i forget u yanks dont undersatn austraslian *lol*

00:52 <MTughan> Not a yank. Canadian!

00:52 <mycosys> meh, 5 hrs should be plenty

00:53 <mycosys> oooohhhhhh, im so sorry dude, how instulting, srsly sorry

00:53 <Tank_Master> you better be

00:53 <MTughan> And you must be in a different part of Australia... I was working with another developer in Aus a little while back, he was 14hrs ahead of me. You're 17.

00:53 <Tank_Master> its an insult to us americans to thing a canadian could be one of us

00:53 <Tank_Master> ;)

00:53 <Tank_Master> j/k

00:54 <mycosys> daylight savings dude

00:54 <MTughan> We're out of it. Are you still in DST?

00:54 <mycosys> ummmm, TM, they didnt elect bush, 2ce

00:54 <Tank_Master> yeah, they elected some panzy

00:55 <MTughan> What, Harper?

00:55 <mycosys> sthn hemisphere, we are now that u rnt

00:55 <Tank_Master> lol. harper

00:55 <MTughan> Current Prime Minister of Canada is Stephen Harper.

00:55 <Tank_Master> there was a harper on andromeda

00:55 <Tank_Master> and sci-fi show

00:55 <MTughan> I guess you could say Harpo Marx was a harper. xD

00:56 <mycosys> then again, aussies elected **** howard 4 times

00:56 <mycosys> hopefully that will all change this weekend

00:56 <MTughan> Well, I must be off. Good talking to you!

00:57 <mycosys> hava gr8 1 dude

00:58 <Tank_Master> tc

01:00 <zombie67> w00t!

01:00 <zombie67> now VNC into my 64xp boc

01:00 <zombie67> box

01:00 <Tank_Master> nice

01:00 <Tank_Master> you done over and driveragent?

01:00 <zombie67> yeah

01:01 <zombie67> couldn't fix one thing, but no matter, not important

01:01 <zombie67> ig I install boinc as service, can I still use mgr?

01:01 <zombie67> i

01:01 <zombie67> if

01:01 <Tank_Master> yes

01:02 <mycosys> just no gfx

01:02 <Tank_Master> it will continue to run w/o the manager to

01:02 <Tank_Master> itll have graphics if you mod one thing

01:02 <mycosys> do tell

01:02 <zombie67> dk about graphics

01:02 <Tank_Master> but what do you need that for? ;)

01:02 <zombie67> just slows things down

01:02 <Tank_Master> true

01:03 <zombie67> uncheck screensaver, check loggin on, right?

01:03 <mycosys> screensaver only runs for 10min anyway on this box, not a huge drain 4 some eye candy

01:03 <Tank_Master> yeah, thats what I do

01:03 <zombie67> k

01:03 <Tank_Master> did you set a pw for logging in?

01:03 <Tank_Master> into windows

01:04 <zombie67> no

01:04 <Tank_Master> then you cant install it as a service by default

01:05 <Tank_Master> however ill walk you throught a wourkaround

01:05 <Tank_Master> also enables toe graphics

01:05 <Tank_Master> just put in any pw when it asks for one

01:05 <zombie67> crap, that just lost me my vnc

01:05 <Tank_Master> then install

01:05 <Tank_Master> when its installing

01:06 <Tank_Master> upen up the comp manager and go to the services

01:06 <Tank_Master> then when it is at the "starting service" part

01:06 <Tank_Master> of the install

01:06 <Tank_Master> on the services window, refresh to see BOINC listed, double click on BOINC

01:06 <zombie67> I just backed it up and installed regular

01:07 <zombie67> too much hassle

01:07 <Tank_Master> a window will pop-up ad select the middle tab, then click on the top radio button

01:07 <Bads_Quad> what didnt work zombie

01:07 <Tank_Master> apply and the install will finish

01:07 <zombie67> installing as service w/o passwd

01:07 <Tank_Master> its not that hard...

01:07 <zombie67> killed my vnc

01:07 <zombie67> rebooting now

01:07 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:07 <Tank_Master> odd

01:07 <Bads_Quad> lol i ment drivers

01:08 <Bads_Quad> did you get every thing you needed

01:08 <zombie67> yeah.  all worked but one group, but not necessary for a cruncher.

01:08 <zombie67> thanks again!

01:09 <zombie67> all these pop-up dialog boxes annoy

01:09 <zombie67> gimme a cmd line please

01:09 <zombie67> ;)

01:09 <zombie67> berb

01:09 <zombie67> br

01:09 <Bads_Quad> yes thay are but it works

01:09 <zombie67> brb

01:09 <zombie67> can't type!

01:09 <Bads_Quad> what group

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01:14 <zombie67> http://abcathome.com/show_host_detail.php?hostid=30122

01:14 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Mc> (at abcathome.com)

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01:14 <zombie67> http://abcathome.com/show_host_detail.php?hostid=30122

01:14 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Mc> (at abcathome.com)

01:24 <Soul_keeper> hmmm fltk giving me a hard time

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02:04 <zombie67> howdie!

02:04 <zombie67> i see the mac app is up

02:04 <zombie67> for intel

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02:09 <mweltin> hey hey

02:10 <mweltin> yeah crunch3r hooked me up with that.

02:10 <mweltin> I had to bail on MTughan earlier todya.

02:10 <mweltin> he just got the ppc up

02:10 <mweltin> I have not had a chance to get it from him.

02:11 <mweltin> all is working well, my validator assimilator and work generator are all going strong.

02:11 <mweltin> I need to add some more error checking, but its working.

02:12 <zombie67> pov is pretty amazing, no?

02:12 <mweltin> yeah

02:12 <mweltin> very helpful

02:12 <zombie67> you say PPc is up?

02:12 <mweltin> and not pompus about it either.

02:12 <mweltin> no

02:12 <zombie67> oh

02:12 <mweltin> I never had a chance to get it from MTughan

02:13 <mweltin> I had to go to an umu today.

02:13 <mweltin> its a samoan BBQ

02:13 <zombie67> i think he gave it to pov

02:13 <zombie67> nice.

02:13 <mweltin> yeah, a dolphin washed up on shore too.

02:13 <zombie67> curious:  are you a native?  if not, how did you come to live there?

02:13 <mweltin> I've only been here 9 months.

02:14 <mweltin> I'll be here till Feb of 09

02:14 <zombie67> military?  or school?

02:15 <mweltin> slack jaw freak.

02:15 <mweltin> my GF is a midwife at the hospital here.

02:15 <mweltin> I just followed her down.

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02:15 <Tank_Master_> mw!

02:16 <mweltin> Tank_Master!!!

02:16 <mweltin> how goes it?

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02:16 <zombie67> so you met elsewhere and followed her there?

02:16 <Tank_Master> good

02:16 <Tank_Master> slow

02:16 <Tank_Master> are the WUs suposed to take longer than before? (before 2.08)

02:17 <mycosys> is an umu like a hangi?

02:17 <mweltin> whats a hangi

02:17 <mweltin> Tank_Master: no, but there was a move from a while to a for loop

02:17 <mweltin> and the addition of the boinc_fraction_done was added

02:17 <mycosys> hangi is the maori bbq

02:18 <mycosys> done by burying the food

02:18 <mweltin> so it was supposed to be faster but it not even with -O2

02:18 <mweltin> mycosys: yeah its like that.

02:18 <mweltin> you start with a bed of rocks, build a fire on them.

02:18 <Tank_Master> bon fire!!

02:19 <mweltin> then clear out hte coals put hte food in and cover the whole thing with bannana leaves.

02:19 <mycosys> yep, thats just like a hangi

02:19 <mweltin> works well

02:19 <mycosys> sure does

02:19 <mweltin> you can cook a turkey in just over an hour.

02:19 <mweltin> and you can cook a ton of food too.

02:19 <mweltin> Samoans are not a small people.

02:19 <mycosys> and it comes out sooooo moist

02:20 <mycosys> nor are maoris generally

02:20 <Tank_Master> looks like I got a nie load of work in my cache, so im going to head to bed

02:20 <Tank_Master> nice*

02:20 <mweltin> I've been churning out tons of work.

02:21 <mycosys> which projects have ppc/linux versions, u guys know?

02:21 <zombie67> none

02:21 <zombie67> SIMAP may have a manual version

02:21 <mycosys> bugger, well the mac wont be crunchin then

02:22 <mweltin> sorry to hear that.

02:22 <zombie67> nope

02:22 <mweltin> I'll ask someone to build one for me and get back to you.

02:23 <mweltin> I got an email from someone I don't know who just offered to build a 64 bit app.

02:23 <zombie67> careful

02:23 <zombie67> who?

02:23 <mweltin> I'm constantly amazed how nice people are and willing to help.

02:23 <zombie67> deutch?

02:23 <zombie67> or something like that?

02:24 <mweltin> Augustine

02:24 <zombie67> ah!

02:24 <zombie67> good guy

02:24 <mweltin> I was going to check her first.

02:24 <zombie67> he is a big proponent of 64 bit apps

02:24 <zombie67> him, i think

02:25 <zombie67> http://boincstats.com/forum/forum_thread.php?id=1774

02:25 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-NT> (at boincstats.com)

02:25 <mweltin> after that story about the guy that made a worm or something to install an app on other boxes I'm a little concerned who builds apps for me.

02:25 <zombie67> he has been a big help with many projects, getting their apps to 64 bit

02:26 <zombie67> trust POV

02:26 <zombie67> so far, you have a good group of guys

02:26 <zombie67> helpgin

02:26 <zombie67> helping

02:26 <mweltin> right now I'm adding a feature so I can give credit to the user/host that finds the shortest path to date.

02:26 <zombie67> neat!

02:26 <zombie67> like a bonus

02:26 <mweltin> oh yeah, solid bunch of guys.

02:27 <mweltin> it will show up on the www.myisland.as/tsp page.

02:27 <zombie67> BTW, i see you added server side abortion.  Awesome!

02:27 <mweltin> yup, that was a great idea (thank you zombie67)

02:28 <mweltin> I'm tyring to write up my experience bringing the reality.

02:28 <mweltin> someone on the project list was asking about what to do after getting uppercase working.

02:28 <zombie67> that way you can still have a higher than needed inital replication to speed things up, but still cut off the excess waste when it's no longer needed.

02:28 <mweltin> there are a lot of docs on getting uppercase working but no many on the next phase.

02:29 <mweltin> I dropped the ntarget down a little too.

02:29 <mweltin> I think min quorum and ntarget are the same now.

02:29 <zombie67> projects like Primegrid have an extra set of stats showing how many of each sub-project have been run, and how many primes you have found.

02:30 <mweltin> To stream line it a little more I'll make min quorum and target equal to 1, and have the validator also calculate the distance reported.

02:30 <zombie67> maybe you could also have a stat that shows the shortest path each user has found.

02:31 <mweltin> oh yeah, thats not a bad idea.

02:31 <zombie67> see here:  http://boinc.rieselsieve.com/orig/top_users.php

02:31 <Romulus> Title: Top participants (at boinc.rieselsieve.com)

02:32 <zombie67> see how they added an addition column for a custom stat?

02:32 <zombie67> "total factors"

02:32 <zombie67> something like that anyway

02:32 <mweltin> thats cool

02:33 <mweltin> I like that they modified the index page.

02:33 <zombie67> very similar to the primegrid guys

02:33 <zombie67> they both do simiar (but different) work

02:34 <zombie67> http://www.primegrid.com/top_users.php

02:34 <Romulus> Title: Top participants (at www.primegrid.com)

02:34 <zombie67> I like that RS uses pages of 50, instead of the standard 20

02:34 <zombie67> notice PG has google ads for revenue....?

02:34 <zombie67> ;)

02:35 <mweltin> zombie67: do you know chris molton runs the boincprojectstatus.ath.cx page.

02:35 <mweltin> whatever pays the bills.

02:36 <mweltin> I could use some cash.

02:36 <zombie67> wow.  that's a new site for me, and I thought I knew them all

02:36 <mweltin> I need to find a job

02:36 <mweltin> he has an admin section but I forgot the url

02:36 <mweltin> gonna try /admin

02:37 <mweltin> and that works

02:37 <zombie67> heh.

02:37 <zombie67> I clicked "all"

02:37 <zombie67> that is NOT all

02:38 <zombie67> this is all:  http://homepage.mac.com/zombie67/BOINC_Projects.html

02:38 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Project List (at homepage.mac.com)

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02:40 <zombie67> not sure what that site is all about

02:40 <mweltin> I'm mac friendly

02:40 <zombie67> yes you are :)

02:40 <zombie67> I forgot to put in the X's

02:40 <zombie67> next edition!

02:40 <mweltin> I'm at least in beta

02:40 <zombie67> I update it about monthly

02:41 <mweltin> well since yesterday

02:41 <zombie67> notes

02:41 <zombie67> noted

02:41 <mweltin> after I got the assmilator up

02:41 <mweltin> that was the last big piece

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02:42 <mweltin> I'll have a steady stream of work later too.

02:43 <mweltin> on my project birthday I will restart the sequencer

02:43 <mweltin> and keep track of everything.

02:43 <mweltin> before I was only keep A single optimal solution

02:44 <zombie67> I'ne been trying to understand why, if everything is working now, you are throttling work generation, and work D/L

02:44 <mweltin> but now with the database (thanks pov) I'll be able to keep all the optimal paths.

02:45 <zombie67> question:  I keep seeing folding references.

02:45 <mweltin> I'm keeping the queue full there are some 200 odd WU's ready to send.

02:45 <mweltin> folding?

02:45 <zombie67> yeah, just took a while to get there

02:46 <zombie67> anyway:  I have seen genetic protein references

02:46 <zombie67> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/forum_thread.php?id=11

02:46 <mweltin> where?

02:46 <Romulus> Title: Convergence of Individuals to single genotype. (at bob.myisland.as)

02:47 <mweltin> oh that was a long time ago.

02:47 <zombie67> are we really trying to find the shortest geographical route?

02:47 <mweltin> yup

02:47 <zombie67> or is this a meatphor for genetics?

02:47 <mweltin> no

02:47 <zombie67> genotype??

02:47 <mweltin> so the problem doesn't have a closed solution, and one heuristic method is genetic algorithms.

02:48 <mweltin> a genotype in this case is the path.

02:48 <zombie67> ah!

02:49 <zombie67> so we are using those to solve a real TSP problem

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02:49 <mweltin> The GA will be the next app.

02:50 <mweltin> in fact it was the first app, but after talking to the alpha testers they seemed more interested in finding the optimal solution.

02:50 <zombie67> GA?

02:50 <zombie67> ah!

02:50 <zombie67> got it

02:50 <mweltin> to do that you need to (GA =  genetic algorithm) do an exhaustive search.

02:50 <zombie67> better than brute forse?

02:50 <zombie67> force

02:50 <mweltin> a GA will give you a "good" path but there is no way to know if that is the optimal paht.

02:51 <mweltin> better in the sense that you can find a good path quickly.

02:51 <zombie67> I thought we were doing BF.  that is why i asked earlier about the # of paths

02:51 <zombie67> I get it now

02:51 <mweltin> right now its a BF

02:52 <mweltin> once we have the optimal solution, I'll start to evalutate other algorithms.

02:52 <zombie67> well youhave about 45% of my CP time.  That works out to about 13,000 per day

02:52 <mweltin> GA, ant colony optimization, simulated annealing, nearist neighbor something something, and any others I can program.

02:53 <mweltin> NICE!

02:53 <zombie67> TM is going DOWN

02:53 <zombie67> given any more thought to points?

02:53 <mweltin> LOL

02:53 <zombie67> he has a farm of 50

02:53 <zombie67> mine is about 20

02:54 <mweltin> wow

02:54 <zombie67> but mine are much more powerful

02:54 <zombie67> ;)

02:54 <zombie67> he gets free power

02:54 <mweltin> no wonder you were at the top of the boincsynergy stats for my project.

02:55 <mweltin> why is that?

02:55 <zombie67> so he takes all the P2-P4 disacrds

02:55 <mweltin> when I get back home I'll have him host my project.

02:55 <zombie67> he is the admin at a school

02:55 <mweltin> we dont' live too far apart from eachother.

02:55 <mweltin> where are you?

02:55 <zombie67> in fact I just gave him 3 P4s and a P3

02:56 <zombie67> I am in Dublin CA

02:56 <mweltin> that was nice of you.

02:56 <zombie67> too expensive to run, PPD

02:56 <zombie67> Points Per Day

02:57 <zombie67> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13&om=1

02:57 <Romulus> Title: Google Maps (at maps.google.com)

02:57 <zombie67> coencidence

02:58 <zombie67> I discovered that there was a boinc irc channel the same day he was visiting relatives in the bay area

02:58 <zombie67> we compared farms, was amazed that could afford to run so many

02:59 <zombie67> told him I had 4 boxes sitting idle

02:59 <zombie67> and he took them off my hands

02:59 <mweltin> right on

03:00 <zombie67> exactly.

03:00 <zombie67> purchase cost is so much smaller in the long run

03:00 <zombie67> that is why I will now buy no machine with less than 8 cores

03:00 <zombie67> ;)

03:01 <mweltin> what do you do for a living?  buying  8 core boxes and what not.  You must be living large.

03:01 <zombie67> in return, he just today helped me upgrade a machine to xp64 for ABC where it crunches 2-3 faster

03:02 <zombie67> I work for Sun Micro

03:02 <zombie67> Product manager

03:02 <mweltin> nice

03:02 <mweltin> both sun and xp64

03:03 <zombie67> the PICMIG 3.0 blade server is mine.  just released two new blades.  http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-11/sunflash.20071113.1.xml

03:03 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-1g> (at www.sun.com)

03:03 <zombie67> the N2 processor is sweet

03:03 <zombie67> 8 core, 8 threads per core

03:03 <zombie67> 64 threads!

03:04 <mweltin> with and AMD chip nice

03:04 <zombie67> sorry, externally, its the T2 processor

03:05 <zombie67> yep

03:05 <zombie67> I currently have a sparc, two AMD, T1, T2, and soon an Intel processor blades

03:06 <mweltin> all you do is crunch boinc stuff or what?

03:06 <mweltin> do you run a project?

03:06 <zombie67> http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hw/networking/ct900/

03:06 <Romulus> Title: Sun Netra CT900 ATCA Blade Server - NEBS-Certified Carrier Grade Blade Server - Overview (at www.sun.com)

03:06 <zombie67> that is my product at work

03:07 <zombie67> me?  Purely a cruncher

03:07 <zombie67> just a stupid user

03:07 <zombie67> :)

03:07 <mweltin> O

03:07 <mweltin> M

03:07 <mweltin> G

03:07 <zombie67> just smart enough to get me in trouble

03:08 <zombie67> that Sun stuff is just my job.

03:08 <zombie67> All my BOINC stuff is done on my own machines

03:08 <mweltin> what is arrier-grade Linux ?

03:08 <zombie67> just for the record

03:08 <zombie67> carrier grade?

03:08 <mweltin> yeah

03:08 <zombie67> wind river

03:08 <zombie67> like that

03:09 <zombie67> carriers must be up five 9s

03:09 <mweltin> 99.999% of the time thing

03:10 <mweltin> works out to a couple min a year or something crazy.

03:10 <zombie67> http://www.windriver.com/linux/

03:10 <Romulus> Title: Linux (at www.windriver.com)

03:10 <zombie67> exactly, but that five nines *after* the decimal

03:10 <mweltin> I know windriver when I worked on the rocket at PSU we had a windriver guy build out flight computer.

03:10 <mweltin> LOL (after decimal)

03:11 <zombie67> ugh

03:11 <zombie67> telcos are wors than the government

03:11 <zombie67> talk about immovable object!

03:11 <mweltin> they have to make money

03:12 <zombie67> you think the military has high standards>!

03:12 <zombie67> brb

03:14 <zombie67> back

03:17 <mweltin> goo

03:17 <mweltin> d

03:17 <zombie67> up to 350 pending!

03:17 <zombie67> good

03:18 <Romulus> is back - this is the server yet.

03:18 <zombie67> any idea on when Mac/PPC will be available?

03:18 <mweltin> yeah I didn't think it would get that high.

03:18 <zombie67> 300 is not that much

03:18 <mweltin> tomorrow, MTughan is usually here

03:18 <zombie67> really

03:19 <mweltin> yeah, is that not soon enough for you?

03:19 <zombie67> what formula did you use for work generation?

03:19 <zombie67> tomorrow is fine\

03:19 <zombie67> like I said, I'm just a user

03:20 <mweltin> 100 - (results_ready_to_send / ntarget_results) = WU's to create

03:20 <zombie67> whatever you decide is okay

03:20 <zombie67> hmm... what is ntarget_results?

03:21 <mweltin> the number of results created per workunit.

03:22 <zombie67> so 100 - (say 50/5 IR) = create 10

03:22 <zombie67> is that right?

03:22 <mweltin> 90

03:22 <mweltin> but yes

03:23 <zombie67> ah!

03:23 <zombie67> bad math

03:23 <mweltin> haha

03:23 <mweltin> new math

03:23 <zombie67> so the more waiting, the more it makes?

03:24 <mweltin> no it tries to keep a queue of 100 I thought.

03:24 <zombie67> 50 waiting created 90

03:24 <mweltin> results_ready_to_send / ntarget is approx. equal to the number of WU's not sent out.

03:25 <mweltin> I want to have 100 WU's waiting at all times

03:25 <mweltin> so yeah I guess its working

03:25 <zombie67> ahhhh!

03:25 <mweltin> ntarget is 3

03:25 <zombie67> I confused WUs and results

03:25 <mweltin> so ready to send / 3 ~ 100

03:26 <mweltin> oh yeah, that is way way way confusing

03:26 <mweltin> it took me a long time, before someone just sent me an email about the WU life cycle.

03:26 <zombie67> that may be okay for the short term.  but as more people attach, 100 results could be sucked up by 1 or 2 machines

03:27 <mweltin> the genWork task runs every hour.

03:27 <zombie67> worst case, 8 core box, with a 10 day cache setting

03:27 <zombie67> yeah but 100 per hour may not do it

03:27 <mweltin> so you create a 1 WU, and boinc creates ntarget results, or what you may call tasks.

03:28 <mweltin> there is a 1 to 1 ratio between WU's and Canonical Results.

03:28 <zombie67> 8-core can do 250/day*10 days= 2500 results

03:28 <zombie67> so it will keep sucking and sucking...

03:28 <zombie67> of course

03:28 <mweltin> but there are ntarget results which may or may be equal to the nunber of the quorum.

03:28 <zombie67> the limit

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03:29 <mweltin> I can run the genWork I think as fast as every min if I have to.

03:29 <zombie67> 200 (?) day limit will prevent that

03:29 <zombie67> okay.

03:29 <zombie67> you're probably good

03:30 <zombie67> although now that my 8-way mac is on line, a limit of 300/day would be nice.  ;)

03:30 <zombie67> up to you of course

03:30 <mweltin> if I'll monitor this project

03:30 <mweltin> you all keep me on my toes.

03:31 <mweltin> for you zombie67 I'll do it.

03:31 <zombie67> *sweeeet*

03:32 <zombie67> frankly, probably won't be a problem either way.  but I can't let TM beat me just cuz I max out

03:32 <zombie67> ;)

03:32 <mweltin> ok done

03:32 <zombie67> danka

03:33 <mweltin> now I have to wait for a result to come in and see if my assimilator mod worked out.

03:34 <zombie67> result from who?

03:34 <zombie67> or what kind of box?

03:34 <mweltin> dosent matter

03:34 <mweltin> just the next one to come in and be assimilated

03:36 <mycosys> what project u run mw?\

03:36 <mweltin> LOL

03:36 <mycosys> ?

03:36 <zombie67> I have none waiting

03:36 <mweltin> guess who got the canonical result for WU 174462?

03:36 <zombie67> moi?

03:37 <mweltin> userid 45 hostid 62, the one the only ZOMBIE67

03:37 <mweltin> mycosys: TSP

03:38 <zombie67> good example.

03:38 <zombie67> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/workunit.php?wuid=174462

03:38 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-O:> (at bob.myisland.as)

03:38 <zombie67> one claimed 28

03:38 <zombie67> one claimed 10

03:38 <mweltin> you got 10

03:38 <zombie67> I think average would be better

03:39 <zombie67> My opinion, of course

03:39 <mweltin> what controls the the claimed?

03:39 <zombie67> claimed is based in client

03:39 <zombie67> client claims can be falsified

03:40 <zombie67> so it is possible to claim say 1000

03:40 <mweltin> based on flops or cpu time?

03:40 <zombie67> that is why many projects are moving to fixed credits where possible

03:40 <zombie67> but in this particular case

03:41 <zombie67> it looks like linux is just faster

03:41 <mweltin> apparently there is no good solution to granting credits.  No matter what someone has an objection.

03:41 <zombie67> because they are both core2 boxes running at 2.66

03:41 <zombie67> yep

03:42 <zombie67> personally, I like fixed.  cheating is impossible.

03:42 <zombie67> but not always possible

03:42 <zombie67> SETI does FLOP counting

03:42 <mweltin> I think it would work for me.

03:42 <mweltin> at least for this BF app.

03:43 <mweltin> everything is pretty much fixed.

03:43 <zombie67> some projects figure out an average and award that.

03:43 <zombie67> over time, it is fair

03:44 <zombie67> getting back to this WU, 10 vs 28 is a HUGE swing

03:44 <mweltin> loop size and fpops should be the same for each.

03:44 <mweltin> yeah that seems odd, was that the lsast one 174462?

03:44 <zombie67> just a sec

03:45 <zombie67> dang.  both 2.09

03:45 <zombie67> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/workunit.php?wuid=174462

03:45 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-O:> (at bob.myisland.as)

03:45 <zombie67> pick another to look at

03:46 <zombie67> mycosys:  he's the admin for tsp

03:46 <zombie67> IR is now only 3?

03:46 <mweltin> you are doing twice as many fpops

03:47 <mweltin> everyone is on 2.09

03:47 <zombie67> another:  http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/workunit.php?wuid=174572

03:47 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-OQ> (at bob.myisland.as)

03:48 <zombie67> this time the oher guy got the short stick

03:50 <zombie67> mweltin, I know this might seem lime minutae.  But you watch what happens as you start getting lots of people joining.  Good to work this out now.

03:51 <mweltin> what is going to happen?

03:51 <zombie67> FYI, a comparison chart is here:  http://boinc.netsoft-online.com/e107_plugins/boinc/get_cpcs.php

03:51 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-OU> (at boinc.netsoft-online.com)

03:52 <mweltin> I have enough results I can calc an fair average and start in with fixed credits.

03:52 <zombie67> what will happen is flame wars on te message boards

03:52 <zombie67> ask TM or POV for their er...point of view

03:53 <zombie67> having a clear (and firm) policy up front will do a lot to mitigate that

03:53 <zombie67> like I said, I am okay whatever way you want to go.

03:54 <zombie67> just be aware of the potential gaming that can go on with each option.

03:54 <mweltin> what the hell did I just look at

03:54 <zombie67> u tell me

03:55 <zombie67> oh, the project comparison?

03:55 <zombie67> tsp is ther too

03:55 <mweltin> yeah, so me vs. seit is 4.xx

03:55 <mweltin> what is the 4.xx

03:55 <mweltin> I grant 4 times the numer of credits?

03:56 <zombie67> there is a horizontal scroll bar on the bottom, not obvious

03:56 <mweltin> my numbers are high across the board.

03:56 <zombie67> anyway, ignore the current numbers

03:57 <zombie67> way too few participants

03:57 <zombie67> plus some may be using over claiming clients

03:57 <zombie67> before you implemented quorum 2

03:58 <zombie67> there are also a *lot* of people who have poked holes in the way this table works

03:58 <zombie67> use it as a guideline, not the "truth"

03:59 <zombie67> when did you implement quorum 2?

03:59 <mweltin> yesterday

03:59 <zombie67> right

03:59 <zombie67> look again in a week

03:59 <zombie67> you are currently running least of 2

04:00 <zombie67> that absolutely kills over-claimers

04:00 <zombie67> unless they get lucky and get two on the same WU

04:00 <zombie67> not likely

04:00 <zombie67> BTW

04:00 <zombie67> what rules do you have wrt a WU

04:01 <mweltin> wrt?

04:01 <zombie67> with regard to

04:01 <zombie67> can I get the same results on the same machine?

04:01 <zombie67> on different machines?

04:01 <mweltin> no rules, yes, its all integer math.

04:02 <mweltin> different machines should produce identical results.

04:02 <zombie67> you should make it so that at least the two results from the same WU cannot go to the same machine

04:02 <Romulus> and thier excuse is - mostly never use it, it's from MS...

04:03 <mweltin> I do that already.

04:03 <zombie67> that is what I am asking

04:03 <mweltin> one_result_per_user_per_wu is set

04:04 <zombie67> okay, that is the most strict i think

04:04 <zombie67> one step down, one result per machine, is probably okay too

04:04 <zombie67> the next step down is too easy to game

04:05 <mweltin> what do you mean "too eady to game"

04:06 <zombie67> if the project is using client benchmarks (claimed) to award, and the same machine can get both results  from a WU, then they will get awarded anything they ask for.

04:07 <mweltin> gotch ya

04:08 <zombie67> OTOH, if you restrict it to one result per user, and you don't have enough users, you can get congested.

04:08 <zombie67> IMO, I think one result per machine is best.

04:08 <zombie67> but again I am not an admin.

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04:09 <mweltin> I have to read that page with all the config.xml options again.

04:11 <zombie67> in any case, revisit that site in a week, and see how it looks.  Even if you move to the average, it should be slightly less than SETI.  optimized apps exist for seti, so they are slightly high

04:11 <mweltin> coudl you drop the url again

04:12 <zombie67> The lattice project does average

04:12 <zombie67> http://boinc.netsoft-online.com/e107_plugins/boinc/get_cpcs.php

04:12 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-OU> (at boinc.netsoft-online.com)

04:13 <mweltin> had to add it to my bookmarks

04:13 <zombie67> Project Neuron has a quorum of 3, and uses the middle claim.

04:13 <zombie67> again, these are just estimates at best

04:14 <zombie67> use them as hints, not commandments

04:15 <mweltin> BF will be a fixed credit at some point.

04:15 <zombie67> be forewarned?

04:16 <mweltin> I'll keep track of results, when I have a say 100K I'll take an average and call it good.

04:16 <zombie67> good call.

04:16 <zombie67> that is what QMC does, I think.

04:17 <zombie67> however, the number they come up with is a bit large

04:17 <mweltin> other algorithms might not work as well with that scheme.

04:17 <zombie67> no one complains

04:17 <zombie67> sorry

04:17 <mweltin> perfect, as long as its not an issue that will be great with me.

04:17 <zombie67> there is always *someone* who complaings

04:18 <mweltin> I'd give out 100K credits, what do I care, but Pov said people will care.

04:18 <zombie67> POV is wise

04:18 <mweltin> yup, another wise man once told me.....

04:18 <mweltin> it doesn't take all kinds to make a world, there just are all kinds.

04:19 <zombie67> I am not young enough to know everything. -- Oscar Wilde

04:19 <zombie67> you know POV is a kid, right?

04:20 <mweltin> LOL

04:20 <mweltin> yeah

04:20 <mweltin> he told me one day when no one else was around.

04:20 <zombie67> reminds me of skiing

04:20 <mweltin> he needs to get out more.

04:20 <zombie67> I am on the hairy edge of dying.

04:20 <mweltin> he spends way too much time here.

04:20 <zombie67> and these grade schoosers

04:21 <zombie67> schoolders

04:21 <zombie67> schoolers

04:21 <zombie67> shoot by me like greased lightning

04:21 <mweltin> looks like you are spending too much time here too.

04:21 <zombie67> I work from home

04:22 <mweltin> I mean in #boinc

04:22 <zombie67> so I am here, at work and at play

04:22 <zombie67> want a *real* tip?

04:23 <mweltin> yes

04:23 <mweltin> yes  I do

04:23 <Romulus> does yoyo only save data every time I could understnd one empty slot

04:24 <zombie67> you need some GOOd logos

04:24 <zombie67> but that's not the tip

04:25 <zombie67> the tip:  Get Cori do design them for you

04:25 <mweltin> well you get what you pay for.  I got the ones I have from someone working on the project.

04:25 <mweltin> who is Cori

04:26 <zombie67> she is a fellow cruncher in germany

04:26 <zombie67> many projects have an open "design us a logo" contest.

04:26 <mweltin> there are a ton of Germans out there working on boinc stuff.

04:26 <zombie67> she usually wins

04:26 <mweltin> wow

04:26 <zombie67> and she is great

04:26 <zombie67> http://dist2.ist.tugraz.at/sudoku/forum_thread.php?id=46

04:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Os> (at dist2.ist.tugraz.at)

04:27 <mweltin> is that her user name ?

04:27 <mweltin> I can search my users for her name.

04:27 <zombie67> http://nqueens.ing.udec.cl/forum_thread.php?id=30

04:27 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-Ot> (at nqueens.ing.udec.cl)

04:27 <zombie67> if you want I can point her here.

04:28 <mweltin> corinnacut@aol.com

04:28 <zombie67> OTOH, maybe you want to have an open contest

04:28 <mweltin> that one?

04:28 <zombie67> I don't know her email address

04:28 <zombie67> only talked with her on forums'

04:28 <mweltin> I tried to do a logo myself and it sucked something awful.

04:29 <zombie67> hehe

04:29 <mweltin> rebither was teh guy

04:29 <mweltin> he did the ones I have now.

04:29 <zombie67> notice the nqueens link?

04:29 <zombie67> core & reberther

04:30 <mweltin> yeah

04:30 <zombie67> cori & reberther

04:30 <mweltin> that is what reminded

04:30 <zombie67> she's good, and good company

04:30 <zombie67> get her involved, you won't be disapointed

04:30 <mweltin> ok

04:30 <mweltin> will do

04:31 <mweltin> and that was just yesterday.

04:31 <zombie67> she is a graphics artist

04:31 <mweltin> LOL

04:31 <zombie67> anyway, great work all around.

04:31 <zombie67> going to crash

04:31 <mweltin> and you were pushing the server status on that site too.

04:31 <mweltin> LOL

04:32 <mweltin> you too

04:32 <mweltin> thanks

04:32 <zombie67> on which site?

04:32 <mweltin> talk to you later

04:32 <mweltin> NQueens

04:32 <zombie67> ah!

04:32 <zombie67> heh

04:32 <zombie67> okay c ya!

04:32 <mweltin> bye

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04:49 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 40.6F / 4.8C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1021.9hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers this morning. Warmer with highs in the upper 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Warmer. Early (1 more message)

04:50 <CoderForLife> &more

04:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: lows in the lower 50s...then temperatures rising into the mid 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.;

05:05 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

05:15 <CoderForLife> b

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05:41 <PriitM> argh, junk. i forgoth to download some extra WUs

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07:17 <MTughan> Well, mweltin's gone now. But I have to leave in about three minutes anyway, so it works out.

07:18 <MTughan> Tank_Master: While you may like the 11m WUs on TSP, these new one are nice in that you get 17 credits per WU. Rather than 3 or 4.

07:18 <MTughan> Although time to compute on 32-bit is about the same ratio...

07:18 <MTughan> Mine take 1h25m.

07:21 <MTughan> Well, I'm off to school.

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09:00 <yoyo[RKN]> moin Romulus

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11:24 <E-30> waa qmc is down again

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12:39 <Bads_Quad> tank you o

12:39 <Bads_Quad> on

12:39 <Bads_Quad> lol

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13:04 <Bads_Quad> morning all

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13:06 <Bads_Quad> hi mw

13:06 <PovAddict> crap

13:06 <PovAddict> spam on boinc wiki again

13:07 <PovAddict> I forgot to restart my trac-spam-deleter script

13:07 <Bads_Quad> that sucks

13:07 <mweltin> hey

13:07 <PovAddict> now deleting

13:07 <Bads_Quad> well i am conviced vista sucks

13:08 <Bads_Quad> backing up just in case going for xp x64

13:08 <mweltin> hey PovAddict zombie67 keeps suggesting a change in the credit granting.

13:08 <mweltin> what do you think of this......

13:09 <PovAddict> just make sure it's not way off from what other projects give

13:09 <mweltin> I wait for about 100k results to come in, and take a average of all the claimed credits.

13:10 <mweltin> zombie pointed out some boinc.netsoft_online.com where they have a big credit granting matirx that compaires you with a bunch of other projects.

13:10 <mweltin> somehow TSP is on there.

13:12 <yoyo[RKN]> http://boinc.netsoft-online.com/e107_plugins/boinc/get_cpcs.php

13:12 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-OU> (at boinc.netsoft-online.com)

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13:12 <mweltin> thats the one yoyo

13:12 <PovAddict> wow

13:12 <PovAddict> wtf

13:12 <ELGono> ahoi

13:12 <PovAddict> seems to be granting more

13:14 <PovAddict> but WH

13:14 <PovAddict> WHY*

13:15 <mweltin> I changed ntarget and added teh server abort, zombie said to check back in a week.

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13:43 <mweltin> hey E

13:43 <PovAddict> boinc server down

13:43 <mweltin> yours?

13:43 <PovAddict> boinc.berkeley.edu

13:43 <E-30> yeqa

13:44 <E-30> qmc is down now

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13:58 <mweltin> just did a quick calc, the average valid credit for version 2.09 of my app is about 20

13:58 <mweltin> that should be good.

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13:58 <mweltin> I'm going to wait for credit granting to become a real issue before I do anything about it.

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13:58 <E-30> hoiw long are the units

13:59 <mweltin> depends a great deal on your box.

13:59 <mweltin> 1.3GHz box single core

13:59 <E-30> on a core 2 duo

13:59 <E-30> 2.43.

14:00 <mweltin> did you join TSP?

14:00 <E-30> yea

14:00 <mweltin> give me a sec I'll check

14:00 <E-30> it was about 15 min last time

14:01 <PovAddict> takes definitely longer...

14:01 <mweltin> well the workuints have not changed in a while.

14:02 <mweltin> I'm not finding you with E-30 for a name

14:04 <E-30> give me the web address again to join

14:04 <mweltin> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp

14:04 <Romulus> Title: TSP (at bob.myisland.as)

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14:05 <E-30> thats why i wase30 i forgot the dash

14:06 <MTughan> 'lo all

14:06 <E-30> but i fixed it now

14:06 <PovAddict> oh noes it's MTughan

14:06 <MTughan> I have something much worse: .NET 3.5 http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9820007-7.html

14:06 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft releases Visual Studio 2008 and .Net Framework 3.5 | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)

14:06 <PovAddict> first comment says it all

14:07 <Bads_Quad> yep

14:09 <mweltin> MTughan: how goes it.

14:09 <mweltin> ?

14:09 <MTughan> Pretty good. Although it seems that credits granted for WUs aren't put into my overall stats.

14:10 <MTughan> Oh, now it's there.

14:10 <mweltin> good

14:11 <MTughan> I moved up 9 spots with that result, and more coming.

14:11 <mweltin> nice

14:11 <PovAddict> MTughan: http://boincstats.com/stats/compare_graph.php?pr=bo&table=users&id%5B%5D=991407&id%5B%5D=76151

14:11 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-ZO> (at boincstats.com)

14:12 <PovAddict> >:D

14:12 <MTughan> Let me guess: because you got your dual-core.

14:12 <mweltin> I have to make some coffee, brb

14:12 <MTughan> It's running BOINC all the time, mine's only running for about 14 hours a day.

14:12 <PovAddict> well seems I have been pwning you in credits/day even before I got the dualcore

14:13 <PovAddict> >:D

14:13 <MTughan> &math calc 14/24

14:13 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.583333333333

14:13 <MTughan> I've only been getting 60% of the credits that I could.

14:14 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/stats/compare_graph.php?pr=bo&table=users&id%5B%5D=991407&id%5B%5D=76151&id%5B%5D=844547

14:14 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-ZY> (at boincstats.com)

14:14 <MTughan> How many computers does he have?

14:15 <PovAddict> he attached many friends' computers on his account >.>

14:15 <MTughan> Or is it a quad-core? Those are some nice numbers...

14:15 <MTughan> Oh.

14:15 <PovAddict> apparently there is a quad on the list

14:15 <PovAddict> with 274k by itself

14:15 <MTughan> Oh...

14:15 <PovAddict> god damnit

14:15 <MTughan> Well, he can go screw himself.

14:15 <PovAddict> lol

14:16 <PovAddict> heh...

14:16 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/stats/compare_graph.php?pr=bo&table=users&id%5B%5D=991407&id%5B%5D=844547&id%5B%5D=76151&id%5B%5D=100947

14:16 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-ZZ> (at boincstats.com)

14:16 <MTughan> Damn, if I had unlimited resources I could challenge that too!

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14:17 * PovAddict looks at wdsmia

14:17 <MTughan> Yes well... That's a few years of results, isn't it?

14:17 <MTughan> Although the RAC isn;t...

14:17 <PovAddict> he has a 13k RAC

14:17 <MTughan> Is one project not running the decay script?

14:18 <PovAddict> it's 11k as calculated by BOINCStats

14:19 <MTughan> Oh, that's nice... BOINC Manager automatically gets rid of redundant results.

14:19 <PovAddict> "The only truly effective filter against phishing schemes is your wetware."

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14:20 <PovAddict> wetware being the brain

14:20 <MTughan> mweltin: Are we going to get the new Mac apps up? The current Intel one has the bad progress reporting.

14:21 <E-30> wow it went longer now

14:22 <MTughan> What did?

14:22 <PovAddict> tsp wu

14:22 <MTughan> I think they're bigger. Or it's the for loop.

14:23 <PovAddict> maybe his app is old one without the inner loop but with reporting?

14:23 <MTughan> I don't think there'd be that big a difference between a for loop and a while loop...

14:23 <MTughan> Maybe, the dynamically linked expat one did that.

14:23 <PovAddict> I mean the reporting

14:23 <E-30> ok

14:23 <PovAddict> with progress reporting on each iteration

14:23 <MTughan> It had reporting but the long reporting.

14:23 <MTughan> repeating*

14:24 <MTughan> Well, it's computing fine anyway.

14:24 <MTughan> Maybe I can get a stack trace...

14:25 <E-30> its going ok been running for 15 mins no problems

14:25 <MTughan> Hmm... Seems I can't attach to TSP...

14:25 <PovAddict> E-30: what % done?

14:26 <E-30> .229

14:26 <MTughan> Oh, I know why...

14:26 <E-30> .231

14:26 <E-30> .236

14:26 <E-30> going up slowing npw

14:26 <E-30> noe

14:26 <MTughan> Yeah, that's the old app. True percentage is that *100.

14:26 <PovAddict> when it reaches 1% it will be done

14:26 <E-30> ik

14:27 <E-30> i see

14:27 <MTughan> There we go... Can attach now.

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14:30 <MTughan> What the... I think I know crunch3r's real name...

14:30 <MTughan> Path that the app was compiled on is: /Users/matthias/Desktop/APS/boinc/lib/app_ipc.C

14:30 <PovAddict> I'm convincing sethiroth66 to attach all his comps (and the others too :P) to simap, see how fast we can make them run out of work

14:30 <MTughan> That's a BOINC library anyway.

14:30 <PovAddict> http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/batchmonitor.php

14:30 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/181D> (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

14:31 <PovAddict> &math calc (100648-96391)+(111182-30481)+(58787)+(60904-2)

14:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: 204647

14:31 <PovAddict> 204647 WUs left on simap

14:32 <MTughan> They don't make more?

14:32 <PovAddict> December 1st would be next batch

14:32 <MTughan> You want to drain 200000 WUs in 11 days?

14:32 <PovAddict> there's actually 9854 shown as unsent

14:32 <MTughan> Well, that's easier...

14:33 <PovAddict> and 55k in progress

14:33 <MTughan> &math calc 10000/200000

14:33 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.05

14:33 <MTughan> Only 5% of the value you said...

14:33 <PovAddict> but they probably add more constantly, reading from the "science database"

14:33 <PovAddict> and there's 200k left there

14:34 <PriitM> PovAddict, it might not be much help, but could  you use 1 AMD 4200+ doing it as well?

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14:34 <GregorVP> \o/

14:34 <PovAddict> PriitM: sure :P

14:34 * GregorVP slaps PovAddict around a bit with a large trout

14:35 <MTughan> Damn, where's Colloquy when I need it...

14:35 * PovAddict slaps GregorVP, takes the trout and puts it back into the stream

14:35 <PriitM> it's SIMAP right?

14:35 <PovAddict> yeah

14:35 <PovAddict> PriitM: http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/batchmonitor.php

14:35 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/181D> (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

14:38 <MTughan> j #wehatevista

14:38 <MTughan> Damn... :P

14:38 <PriitM> want me to help any particular team as well? I got 4200+ running 24/7 and avg. credit it SETI was ~250.

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14:43 * MTughan still needs to update to 10.4.11... Hehe...

14:44 <PovAddict> my dad had problems with that yesterday

14:44 <PovAddict> after a while (definitely not finished downloading the whole 70MB) it said there was an installation error

14:44 <PovAddict> happened twice

14:45 <PovAddict> he waited an hour and tried again, worked

14:53 <mweltin> MTughan: did you ever get the powerpc 2.09 compiled?

14:54 <mweltin> I guess it would be 2.10 now that the progress is fixed.

14:54 <MTughan> Yeah, package contains both PPC and Intel.

14:54 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/tsp.tar.bz2

14:54 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-5w> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

14:55 <mweltin> how much do you rock!

14:56 <mweltin> I'll put those up as soon as I get back from my walk.

14:56 <mweltin> Dog is a little anxious

14:56 <MTughan> Hehe...

14:56 <Romulus> they think the only thing I have a 5.3 over all apps and an error log grow by 100%

14:58 <MTughan> And school's over...

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15:07 <sethiroth66> where is MTughan?

15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> there -------------->

15:08 <sethiroth66> anyway does mac come with free anti-virus? shaftware?

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15:43 <sethiroth66> also where is pov?

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15:43 <TMatWork> he is now

15:44 <sethiroth66> psychic

15:44 <sethiroth66> also PovAddict

15:44 <sethiroth66> breaking news

15:44 <sethiroth66> and you will be shocked

15:44 <PovAddict> ....

15:44 <sethiroth66> i'm concidering getting

15:44 <sethiroth66> IPhone

15:44 <PovAddict> :o

15:44 <PovAddict> :o!

15:45 <Romulus> that's what I grew up not so fair comparison if both edit same line, there is enough to keep or is it still ddr2

15:45 <sethiroth66> :o

15:45 <sethiroth66> DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION 2?

15:45 <sethiroth66> or DDR2 Ram

15:45 <sethiroth66> ?

15:45 <PovAddict> ram probs

15:45 <sethiroth66> Rom's Ram

15:45 <sethiroth66> sounds like a lemonade stand

15:48 <sethiroth66> OMG OMG OMG THERE IS GLASS ON TV AND IT SAYS FRAGILE <3

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15:51 <zombie67> i have an iphone

15:51 <sethiroth66> IkNOW

15:51 <PovAddict> time to install a scanner driver and try to avoid all the extra bundled crap

15:57 <Tank_Master> who would want an icrap?

15:57 <sethiroth66> not me

15:57 <Romulus> ah, sorry about the ice around the world you mean!

15:57 <Tank_Master> yes, rommie

15:57 <Tank_Master> im working as fast as I can to get rid of the ice

15:57 <PriitM> I don't want to start flame, but I think most of apple products itself cost like 20% of the price and 80% is pointless brand chit chat

15:58 <Tank_Master> lol

15:58 <PovAddict> I hate software made in year 2000 still using installers made for Windows 3.1 (

15:58 * Tank_Master things its more like 10% cost and 90% bundeled crap

15:58 <PovAddict> (I swear setup.exe is a 16-bit executable)

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15:58 <PriitM> Tankmaster, that might be true aswell

16:00 <sethiroth66> would windows 3.1 install on a 32bit system?

16:00 <sethiroth66> somehow

16:00 <PovAddict> definitely yes

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16:00 <sethiroth66> i burned it to CD and it didnt boot

16:01 <PovAddict> well win3.1 is not a livecd lol

16:01 <sethiroth66> i know

16:01 <sethiroth66> thats why i tried install

16:01 <PovAddict> I think you need DOS installed first to install 3.1

16:01 <sethiroth66> i'll keep fedora 7 then

16:02 <Tank_Master> windows 3.1 is an app. not an os

16:02 <PovAddict> I wonder if GIMP supports TWAIN on Windows...

16:02 <PovAddict> windows 3.1 is a desktop environment for DOS :)

16:02 <Tank_Master> tep

16:02 <PovAddict> like what KDE is on Linux... just... 1000x crappier

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16:03 <zombie67> yoyo is adding another prioject

16:03 <PovAddict> omfg

16:03 <PovAddict> I installed the wrong driver

16:03 <PovAddict> it's all in FRENCH

16:03 <PovAddict> HOW DO I REMOVE THE DRIVER

16:03 <Tank_Master> haha

16:03 <Tank_Master> uninstall?

16:04 <PovAddict> I noticed the setup.exe thing was just to install the bundled crap

16:04 <zombie67> evolution@home

16:04 <PovAddict> for the TWAIN driver I just plugged the scanner with the install CD in and Windows found the driver there

16:04 <Tank_Master> will that be appart of yoyo, or a seperate url?

16:04 <PovAddict> new app on yoyo or new proj?

16:04 <zombie67> part of yoyo

16:04 <Tank_Master> k

16:04 <PovAddict> I like what he's doing

16:05 <PovAddict> linking existing cool stuff into BOINC

16:05 <Tank_Master> :P

16:05 <PovAddict> BOINCers don't like crunching for non-BOINC projects that need a new client

16:05 <PovAddict> like F@H

16:05 <zombie67> http://www.rechenkraft.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=8223

16:05 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-aw> (at www.rechenkraft.net)

16:07 <zombie67> like primegrid, you can choose which sub projects to run

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16:11 <MTughan> mweltin: Mac apps?

16:14 <MTughan> Hey, XP SP3 is in beta...

16:14 <Romulus> i'm scanning ebay.. there were free and public FTP servers to download

16:15 <PovAddict> o_O

16:15 <sethiroth66> should i keep fedora7?

16:21 <MTughan> I like Fedora myself. What else are you considering, sethiroth66?

16:22 <MTughan> Haven't had a chance to upgrade my VM to Fedora 8 yet...

16:22 <sethiroth66> i has hard drive with fedora7 on

16:22 <zombie67> any word on the PPC apps for tsp?

16:23 <MTughan> Wait... PovAddict: About the new Mac apps, if they're going to 1%, that means that it is using the modified for loops.

16:23 <sethiroth66> LOOP HOLES

16:23 <PovAddict> correct

16:23 <MTughan> zombie67: They're made, just waiting for mweltin to put them up.

16:23 <PovAddict> after changing to new loops, before fixing progress

16:23 <MTughan> Yep, that's what crunch3r got.

16:24 <PovAddict> I'm having trouble uninstalling the scanner driver

16:24 <MTughan> brb

16:26 <MTughan> Did mweltin say he was going anywhere?

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16:58 <BadBarbarian_> zombie did you get all the drivers you need last night

16:59 <MTughan> What happened with BadBarbarian?

16:59 <BadBarbarian_> my quad you mean

16:59 <MTughan> No. *points to the underscore*

16:59 <PovAddict> did you grow a tail?

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17:06 <c0dewarrior> guess you pissed off the tai

17:06 <c0dewarrior> *tail

17:06 <MTughan> lol

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17:08 <yoyo_RKN> PovAddict : can I spezify a file with a leading blank in result template, will this work?

17:08 <PovAddict> as in...?

17:08 <PovAddict> <name> foo</name>?

17:08 <yoyo_RKN> yes

17:09 <PovAddict> I think the BOINC XML parser is stupid enough to choke at that

17:09 <yoyo_RKN> I will try and see

17:09 <c0dewarrior> 0_0

17:09 <c0dewarrior> is it a microsoft parser?

17:10 <MTughan> lol

17:10 <MTughan> I wouldn't be surprised.

17:10 <yoyo_RKN> it is a berkeley parser

17:10 <c0dewarrior> so it is a microsoft parser with an opensource license..

17:10 * c0dewarrior hides

17:11 <c0dewarrior> and evening gents..

17:11 <MTughan> 'lo c0dey

17:12 <c0dewarrior> how's life eating you?

17:12 <c0dewarrior> *treating you

17:12 <MTughan> Hey, life could be eating me... :P

17:12 <MTughan> Our robot kicked ass today!

17:12 <c0dewarrior> robot?

17:13 * c0dewarrior pulls his "invasion survival kit" closer

17:13 <MTughan> I'm in a robotics competition with LEGO NXT.

17:13 <c0dewarrior> ahhhh

17:13 <c0dewarrior> videos/photos?

17:13 <MTughan> Nope, sorry. Just a test run anyway.

17:14 <c0dewarrior> test runs makes for nice video's/photos! :-p

17:15 <MTughan> Tomorrow, we're doing another tomorrow.

17:15 <MTughan> Can you get out to Toronto? You could watch it for yourself! :P

17:16 <c0dewarrior> hehehehe, would take me over a day to get there by plane even if I wanted to ;-)

17:16 <MTughan> Nice...

17:25 * CoderForLife throws back the invisibility cloak

17:25 <CoderForLife> hello

17:25 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

17:25 <CoderForLife> hello MT

17:25 <Romulus> well see you folks had another big box to get as festive as some of you own any so it should be no restriction on the Tasks tab, each workunit should get a "file not found"

17:25 <PovAddict> o/

17:26 <CoderForLife> hello PA  \o

17:26 <CoderForLife> watzappin

17:26 <MTughan> .NET 3.5 was released...

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17:26 * CoderForLife splodes

17:27 * PovAddict shakes head

17:27 * PovAddict goes back to some Code

17:27 <PovAddict> be careful with .NET

17:27 <CoderForLife> i.e., not .NET

17:28 <PovAddict> C# has a *few* interesting features

17:28 <MTughan> Yeah, what about Brainf***?

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17:28 <MTughan> 'lo BB

17:28 <PovAddict> MTughan: I wouldn't be surprised if there is a BF.NET implementation

17:28 <MTughan> lol

17:28 <PovAddict> there is COBOL.NET

17:28 <CoderForLife> I just had to remind someone at w@#% today that we don't have a strategy that includes .NET

17:28 <MTughan> Yay! ^^

17:28 <PovAddict> and somebody wrote a program that compiles lolcode directly into a .NET executable

17:29 <CoderForLife> poor demented soul

17:29 <PovAddict> they were trying to make a lolcode interpreter in lolcode to prove turing-completeness

17:29 <PovAddict> not long later, the community vanished

17:29 <MTughan> It's gone?

17:30 <PovAddict> well, in a week the IRC channel went almost empty

17:30 <MTughan> Wow...

17:30 <PovAddict> kids found other shiny balls to play with

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17:32 <BadBarbarian> hey MT

17:33 <MTughan> Lost the tail? :P

17:33 <BadBarbarian> \lol

17:37 <zombie67> BB:  working great.  thanks again

17:38 <BadBarbarian> np you said there was one driver that did''nt work

17:39 <zombie67> yeah, can't recall which one, but aparrently I don't need it to crunch.

17:39 <BadBarbarian> ok

17:39 <CoderForLife> &seen efc

17:39 <Romulus> CoderForLife: efc was last seen in #boinc 19 hours, 1 minute, and 2 seconds ago: <efc> of course, the rated wattages is the output, not the input

17:39 <CoderForLife> oh

17:40 <CoderForLife> must be on the late shift

17:40 <CoderForLife> when's xcamel due to be back?

17:41 <BadBarbarian> thats the best 30.00 dollars i have spent in a while its a life saver lol

17:41 <CoderForLife> Rommie has been hanging in

17:41 <PovAddict> BadBarbarian: what 30 dollars?

17:42 * CoderForLife polishes Rommie's chrome dome and puts two more quarters in his slot

17:42 <MTughan> driveragent.com?

17:42 <BadBarbarian> driveragent

17:42 <BadBarbarian> yep

17:42 <BadBarbarian> scans your windows based systems and finds drivers for you

17:43 <PovAddict> interesting that it has a BIG button saying "scan now, it's FREE"

17:43 <BadBarbarian> scan is free

17:43 <BadBarbarian> downloading costs

17:43 <PovAddict> but that "detail" of course isn't on the front page

17:44 <BadBarbarian> lol

17:44 <PovAddict> "entrance free!"

17:44 <PovAddict> (we'll charge you 40 dollars at the exit)

17:44 <BadBarbarian> lol

17:46 <PovAddict> well I started to mumble about lolcode and didn't finish the other stuff I was saying

17:46 <Tank_Master> its like an ammusment park with free entrence, but 20$ per ryde

17:47 <PovAddict> careful with .NET, don't look too closely at it or you may start to get interested...

17:47 <zombie67> bbl

17:47 <MTughan> lol

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17:47 <PovAddict> it's like Vista and the hawt screenshots with the Aero effect

17:47 <PovAddict> ...tempting o.O

17:47 <Tank_Master> whats tempting about vista for me is the extra 20-25min of war a day I get

17:47 <Tank_Master> work*

17:48 <MTughan> War, work, same diff. xD

17:48 <Tank_Master> only if you are war driving to get access to work

17:49 <PovAddict> initial tests with Vista SP1 show it doesn't solve any performance problems, makes it slightly worse

17:49 <PovAddict> http://bink.nu/news/vista-sp1-a-performance-dud.aspx

17:49 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-do> (at bink.nu)

17:49 <Tank_Master> ive been reasing the oppiste

17:51 <Tank_Master> but still, disk i/o and gammin are way faster than on XP

17:51 <Tank_Master> gaming*

17:51 <Tank_Master> so I ant going back

17:51 <Tank_Master> :)

17:51 <MTughan> XP SP3 is in beta.

17:52 <Tank_Master> yep

17:52 <Tank_Master> wont need a key to install anymore

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17:56 <MTughan> bbiab

17:56 <Tank_Master> k

17:59 <CoderForLife> &seen xcamel

17:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: xcamel was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, and 55 seconds ago: <xcamel> well.. catch you all when I get back..

18:00 <CoderForLife> off to sit and talk to the wife

18:00 <CoderForLife> cya folks

18:00 <Tank_Master> &seen mweltin

18:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <mweltin> Dog is a little anxious

18:00 <Tank_Master> tc

18:00 <Tank_Master> n gl

18:04 <PovAddict> http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/11/19/Gartner-predicts-lower-software-licenses-ahead_1.html

18:04 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-e9> (at www.infoworld.com)

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18:33 <BadBarbarian> tank you here

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18:48 <BadBarbarian_> lol here twice

18:49 <wdsmia> you want me to fix that?

18:49 <PovAddict> I do :)

18:49 <BadBarbarian_> please

18:49 <BadBarbarian_> wait

18:50 <BadBarbarian_> i will fix it

18:50 <MTughan> You can ghost the old nick.

18:50 <PovAddict> fix it by kicking both

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18:50 <Romulus> ok that's a good day E-30, FreeLarry & Spit_theDog :)

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18:50 <PovAddict> &seen Spit_theDog

18:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: Spit_theDog was last seen in #boinc 26 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 21 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Spit_theDog> Bye for now all :)

18:50 <PovAddict> gosh darn it

18:50 <BadBarbarian_> wierd

18:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

18:50 <PovAddict> both!

18:51 <PovAddict> >:)

18:51 <PovAddict> (:<

18:51 *** BadBarbarian was kicked by wdsmia (Out, damn spot, out I say)

18:51 <MTughan> BadBarbarian_: /msg NickServ GHOST BadBarbarian <password>

18:51 <BadBarbarian_> thant

18:51 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia

18:51 <BadBarbarian_> thanx

18:51 <MTughan> /nick BadBarbarian

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18:55 <MTughan> New one!

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18:55 <MTughan> BadBarbarian is taken... :(

18:55 <BadBarbarian_> yep lol

18:55 <BadBarbarian_> its not a problem

18:56 <BadBarbarian_> darn cant find my key for xp x64 in the middle of an install

18:56 <PovAddict> abort install

18:56 <PovAddict> take CD out

18:56 <PovAddict> insert Linux CD

18:56 <wdsmia> now that is a problem lol

18:56 <PovAddict> reboot

18:56 <BadBarbarian_> lol

18:57 <PovAddict> missing license key not a problem anymore

18:57 <MTughan> lol

18:57 <MTughan> This is where you say "That was vaguely amusing." xD

18:57 <BadBarbarian_> lol povaddict if i had the knowage to run linux i would

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19:31 <MTughan> 'lo e

19:33 <efc> hey

19:33 <mweltin> ok I'm back

19:33 <mweltin> that took a while

19:33 <MTughan> Mac apps?

19:33 <mweltin> I did get ot help disect a dophin

19:33 <mweltin> I'm doing it right now.

19:33 <MTughan> Interesting...

19:34 <MTughan> Not sure I'd want to dissect a dolphin, but it sounds interesting.

19:34 <mweltin> it was cool

19:34 <mweltin> it washed up dead yesterday at the umu.

19:37 <mweltin> MTughan: these have the correct progress ticker right?

19:37 <MTughan> Yes.

19:37 <mweltin> ok you then have the first 2.10 versions out

19:39 <mweltin> ok start downloading your app!

19:39 <mweltin> many thanks MTughan

19:41 <MTughan> I guess it still needs to be mirrored by PovAddict...

19:41 <mweltin> I failed to mirror the last ones and it worked out ok.

19:41 <mweltin> I should depricate the current ones.

19:41 <MTughan> Yeah, it's just slower and harder on your bandwidth.

19:41 <mweltin> yeah

19:42 <mweltin> oddly enough I didn't notice too much of a slow down on myside.

19:42 <MTughan> Not a slowdown on your side. It's just slow for us.

19:43 <wdsmia> back  Keg lines are now clean... one nasty job that has a sweet reward at the end :-)

19:45 <mweltin> I can't believe credits are such a volatile issue.

19:46 <wdsmia> its the only pay we get

19:46 <mweltin> science for the sake of science?  no reward there?

19:47 <MTughan> Wow... a $7000 bike frame... http://www.news.com/Is-this-bike-made-from-spider-webs/2100-1008_3-6219404.html

19:47 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-g3> (at www.news.com)

19:47 <mweltin> for 7k it should massage my butt for me while I ride.

19:47 <MTughan> How about being 2.7lbs?

19:48 <mweltin> not a bad start, is it made out of snow lepard?

19:48 <MTughan> Oh, and that's just the frame. The full bike is $12k.

19:48 <PovAddict> dinner ->

19:48 <MTughan> Bye.

19:49 <mweltin> later

19:49 <mweltin> MTughan: you beat me to the 2.10 and I have the source on my box.

19:49 <mweltin> I'm slacking

19:50 <MTughan> That's the advantage of having a Makefile. Makes both, then bunzips them. :D

19:51 <mweltin> I have all I need I just didn't think to do it.

19:51 <mweltin> do you know Augustine?

19:51 <MTughan> Person? No.

19:51 <mweltin> he offered to build a linux 64 app.

19:51 <MTughan> Nice...

19:52 <mweltin> I trust you all, but I don't know this guy.  I was wondering if you knew him.  Zombie67 things he knows him, and said he was alright.

19:53 <MTughan> Well, I'd offer to build it, but I don't have a 64-bit box, let alone a 64-bit Linux box.

19:54 <MTughan> Weasel Stomping Day!

19:54 * MTughan is listening to Weasel Stomping Day by Weird Al Yankovic from Straight Outta Lynwood

19:55 <mweltin> mmmmm good times.

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20:06 <QrX> Hello

20:06 <MTughan> 'lo QrX

20:07 <QrX> anyone experienced connection troubles with seti server ?

20:07 <QrX> Hi Mister coder :p

20:07 <MTughan> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ is up.

20:08 <Romulus> Title: SETI@home (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

20:08 <QrX> yup but data server seems to have some troubles or maybe its due to lot cons at the same time now

20:08 <MTughan> Any info you want is here: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

20:08 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

20:08 <wdsmia> network is really lagging there

20:09 <MTughan> Master science database is disabled.

20:09 <mweltin> are they in American Samoa?

20:09 <MTughan> lol, no. Berkeley California.

20:09 <QrX> :p

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20:25 <blendtux-away> so is burp already up and running

20:25 <MTughan> There's not BURP WUs.

20:26 <MTughan> no*

20:26 <sethiroth66> PovAddict: http://squatch.deviantart.com/art/love-c-11394177

20:26 <Romulus> Title: love.c by ~squatch on deviantART (at squatch.deviantart.com)

20:27 <PovAddict> mweltin: Augustine is known for pushing to get 64-bit apps on all projects

20:27 <PovAddict> and built some of the first 64-bit boinc clients before there was the official one

20:27 <mweltin> so he is a good guy.

20:28 <PovAddict> I'm gonna mirror the mac apps

20:28 <PovAddict> .10?

20:28 <PovAddict> hmm seems I'm not hosting the .09 either

20:29 <MTughan> No, you weren't.

20:29 <blendtux-away> np burp WUs, what are burp wus MTughan

20:29 <PovAddict> gonna free some space

20:29 <mweltin> ye

20:29 <MTughan> blendtux-away: BURP workunits.

20:29 <mweltin> 10 has the progess bar fix

20:29 <PovAddict> mweltin: remove the redirects for old apps, except .08's

20:29 <blendtux-away> what does that mean, nobody is willing to share his cpu cycles

20:30 <PovAddict> blendtux-away: means the server admin hasn't put more work yet

20:30 <MTughan> I've got two TSP WUs running right now, then two more on the old app. Then I have two WUs ready to run with the new one.

20:30 <blendtux-away> oh isee

20:30 <blendtux-away> oke thansk

20:31 <PovAddict> mweltin: md5s for .09s and .10s plz

20:31 <mweltin> PovAddict: the opaque field was a great call, now I can even give credit to whoever finds the shortest path to date with ease.

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20:31 <MTughan> PovAddict: Just wondering... Would it be possible for me to compile the Linux apps on my machine? I guess with the right cross-compiler.

20:31 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

20:31 <MTughan> New PPC app up.

20:31 <PovAddict> MTughan: maybe...

20:31 <mweltin> would you crank out a 10 for widows in mingW?

20:31 <zombie67> sweet!

20:32 <MTughan> New Intel app up, with progress fix.

20:32 <MTughan> They're being mirrored right now.

20:32 <zombie67> my PII linux box just finished a task, just over 7 hours

20:32 <MTughan> lol, nice.

20:32 <MTughan> Anyway, bbiab

20:32 <mweltin> ouch

20:32 <mweltin> how much credit did you get.

20:32 <PovAddict> updating boinc api from svn

20:32 <mweltin> one guy already piped up on fixed credits on the forum.

20:33 <PovAddict> I think there were no changes, but anyway...

20:33 <mweltin> didn't like them, said they granted too much or to little.

20:33 <PovAddict> updating tsp

20:33 <zombie67> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/result.php?resultid=934939

20:33 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-gh> (at bob.myisland.as)

20:33 <blendtux-away> if i have one credit how long can i render something

20:34 <zombie67> only asked for 11

20:34 <PovAddict> crap on a stick

20:34 <zombie67> my wingman will not be happy

20:34 <PovAddict> makefile conflicts

20:34 <mweltin> I was thinking of 20 credits fixed.

20:34 <PovAddict> who edited the makefiles >.>

20:34 <zombie67> that poster made no sense to me at all

20:35 <mweltin> not much of an argument, just didn't like it that was about all he said.

20:35 <BadBarbarian_> hey zombie how the weather in Dublin

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20:35 <zombie67> &weather 94568

20:35 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 55.9F / 13.3C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Clear. Lows around 40. Northwest winds around 5 mph.;

20:35 <BadBarbarian_> lol

20:35 <zombie67> &more

20:35 <Romulus> zombie67: Error: That's all, there is no more.

20:36 <zombie67> mweltin:  I looked at my machines

20:36 <mweltin> wait you are missing a bestPath in your stderr

20:36 <zombie67> they all aked for either 19 or 27

20:36 <mweltin> that is strange.

20:36 <zombie67> who, me?

20:36 <mweltin> yeah

20:37 <zombie67> averaging my macbines, I think 20 is a bit low.

20:37 <zombie67> maybe 24 or 35

20:37 <BadBarbarian_> &zip info 94568

20:37 <Romulus> BadBarbarian_: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

20:37 <BadBarbarian_> lol

20:37 <zombie67> 24 or 25

20:38 <PovAddict> mweltin: md5s for .09s and .10s plz

20:38 <mweltin> I took 6k results and took an avg of claimed_credits for valid results.

20:38 <mweltin> ok PovAddict

20:38 <mweltin> just a sec

20:38 <zombie67> but whatevery oyou choose is okay by me

20:39 <PovAddict> and I have the mingw build

20:39 <zombie67> brb

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20:41 <mweltin> PovAddict: http://pastebin.com/d22fa5b5f

20:41 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

20:41 <zombie67> back

20:42 <mweltin> PovAddict: you only mirror the mac's 2.10, linux_i686, and win 32bit.

20:43 <zombie67> woot!  my quad G5 just picked up some RSP work.

20:43 <mweltin> or at least that is all I'm redirecting to you.

20:43 <zombie67> tsp

20:43 <PovAddict> tsp_2.10_i686-apple-darwin, tsp_2.10_i686-pc-linux-gnu, tsp_2.10_powerpc-apple-darwin  mirrored

20:43 <mweltin> 2.09 win?

20:43 <zombie67> d/l ing 2.10

20:43 <PovAddict> still not downloaded from you

20:44 <mweltin> you gave it to me.

20:44 <mweltin> 2.9 win is your mingW build.

20:44 <PovAddict> the .09 win is from two days ago

20:44 <mweltin> yes

20:44 <mweltin> we never did a redirect for it.

20:45 <PovAddict> I never put it on the mirror

20:45 <mweltin> not that I know of.

20:45 <PovAddict> ok all five mirrored now

20:45 <mweltin> ok

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20:45 <mweltin> apache is restarted.

20:48 <mweltin> So here is the deal

20:48 <mweltin> friday I'm going to stop the work generator.

20:49 <mweltin> let the WU's run out, then on monday I'm going to reset the sequence generator and TSP will be on official project.

20:49 <mweltin> we will be out of BETA.

20:50 <zombie67> got a bunch of 2.10s on my intel macs too.

20:50 <PovAddict> one download hit on mirror

20:50 <mweltin> I'll ask crunch3r to complie the 2.10's for win 32 and 64.

20:50 <PovAddict> partial (resumed) download of tsp_2.10_powerpc-apple-darwin

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20:51 <zombie67> does win64 add any speed?

20:51 <zombie67> to tsp?

20:51 <mweltin> I dont know, I dont have a 64bit anything.

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20:52 <mweltin> I would doubt it, math is simple and shouldn't require 64bits but honestly I'm not positive on that.

20:52 <mweltin> I noticed I let a lot of details slip trying to move forward.

20:53 <PovAddict> you should work on a decent app...

20:53 <PovAddict> you know, one that doesn't use bruteforce :)

20:53 <mweltin> there were a lot of time I thought, I should do this or that, but always said I'll get back to that later, and then never did.

20:53 <PovAddict> that's what notes are good for

20:53 <mweltin> PovAddict: that is the plan.

20:54 <mweltin> I have an entire note book full of chicken scratches regarding things to do.

20:54 <mweltin> genetic algorithm is next,

20:54 <mweltin> followed by ant colony optimization.

20:54 <mweltin> then some nearest neighbor methods.

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20:56 <zombie67> I'm off to watch MNF

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20:58 <PovAddict> heh

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20:58 <PovAddict> "how do I grant credits more fairly without having the community eat me alive"?

20:59 <mweltin> I just posted that to the project list.

20:59 <mweltin> I asked for advice on granting credits.

20:59 <PovAddict> yep, I commented that after seeing the new message notification

20:59 <mweltin> LOL, you don't miss a beat PovAddict

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21:10 <PovAddict> not getting too many downloads

21:10 <PovAddict> did you redir the .09 win?

21:11 <MTughan> I downloaded 2.10 already from his server.

21:11 <mweltin> yea tsp_2.09_windows_intelx86.exe

21:11 <mweltin> they have been up for a long time

21:11 <PovAddict> well strange I didn't get a single download of that yet

21:11 <mweltin> I would assume most people have the 2.09 already.

21:12 <PovAddict> right...

21:12 <mweltin> I never redriected it to you.

21:12 <MTughan> Does it have the progress issue/fix?

21:12 <mweltin> either I had to run or you did  I forget.

21:12 <mweltin> 2.10 has the progress fix.

21:12 <MTughan> No, 2.09 Win.

21:12 <mweltin> no 2.09 win goes from 0-1%->100%

21:13 <mweltin> in all versions

21:13 <PovAddict> I sent you the .10 mingw...

21:13 <mweltin> cool

21:13 <PovAddict> IRC private message

21:13 <PovAddict> didn't you get it?

21:13 <mweltin> checking now

21:13 <MTughan> wdsmia: You can change the title, right?

21:14 <mweltin> where did you send it?

21:14 <PovAddict> I gave you the link via IRC private message

21:14 <MTughan> The versions are out. Windows and OS X are on 5.10.30.

21:14 <MTughan> *nix is still on 5.10.28.

21:15 <mweltin> it could be because I'm using irssi and I have no idea how it works.

21:15 <MTughan> lol

21:15 <PovAddict> fair enough

21:15 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/tsp_200711192239.exe

21:15 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-hK> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)

21:15 <mweltin> when I type who I don't get a list, but I have not taken the time to read the man page.

21:15 <MTughan> PovAddict: What're the numbers? First 8 are the date, I can tell... Last 4 are time?

21:16 <PovAddict> 2007 nov 19 22:39

21:16 <MTughan> So about 35 minutes ago.

21:16 <PovAddict> hrm

21:16 <PovAddict> 202.70.115.106 is downloadingit, and 208.96.51.42 is downloading it *twice*

21:16 <PovAddict> wtf

21:17 <MTughan> mweltin is the first one.

21:17 <mweltin> 202 is me

21:17 <mweltin> as MTughan has already pointed out.

21:18 <PovAddict> and the other IP maps to turing.morons.org

21:18 <MTughan> lol

21:19 <mweltin> strange I'm not getting hte download box in firefox.

21:19 <mweltin> LOL

21:20 <mweltin> I'm just hanging waiting for a response from stuff.povaddict

21:20 <PovAddict> I killed apache to get rid of the morons.orgt

21:20 <mweltin> and then it failed to connect

21:20 <PovAddict> try again

21:20 <mweltin> starnge

21:20 <mweltin> I'm using wget

21:20 <PovAddict> get it again

21:20 <mweltin> that should be no probem right

21:21 <mweltin> now we are getting somewhere.

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21:22 <MTughan> Weird... No one here seems to have that IP.

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21:23 <MTughan> What was that?

21:23 <mweltin> I switched to xchat

21:23 <mweltin> see if I like ti better than irssi

21:24 <mweltin> well I like irssi better but this maybe easier to use.

21:24 <MTughan> As I said while you were gone. No one on this channel seems to have the 208 IP.

21:24 <Tank_Master> mw!

21:24 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with a dull IE Version 5.5

21:24 <mweltin> ahh Tank_Master

21:24 <MTughan> I love having Colloquy back...

21:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

21:25 <MTughan> And we all fall silent as wdsmia flexes his op muscles...

21:25 *** wdsmia changes topic to "BOINC | stats & logs: http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/ Versions: all dev: 5.10.30 windows, Windows x64, 5.10.30 osx/darwin, 5.10.28 *nix/32/64 | Romulus (&) is the channel bot"

21:25 * Tank_Master look up an the imposing wdsmia and backs away slowly

21:26 <MTughan> lol

21:26 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia

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21:27 <MTughan> Well, I'm off to read a book for a while. TSP will continue on...

21:27 <MTughan> 'lo BB

21:28 <mweltin> bye

21:28 * wdsmia looks down at Tank_Master and figures he's not worth the trouble

21:29 <MTughan> Hear that Tank_Master? You're insignificant.

21:29 <MTughan> xD

21:30 * Tank_Master is happy now

21:30 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with a hidden insignificance

21:31 * PovAddict deletes tsp exe from his www

21:31 <wdsmia> Hmmm kick entire room never seen that option before

21:31 <MTughan> Yeah...

21:31 <Tank_Master> LOL

21:31 <MTughan> I dearly hope you're not thinking of using it.

21:31 * MTughan beats up MTughan with a silver thermonuclear weapon

21:31 <MTughan> I gave him the idea...

21:32 <Tank_Master> my, grandma, thats one biig boot you have there..

21:32 <wdsmia> thats grandpa :P

21:32 <MTughan> Oh, so you aren't a cross-dresser. Phew! :P

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21:33 <PovAddict> &math calc 400 / 3

21:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: 133.333333333

21:33 <PovAddict> had it right

21:35 <Tank_Master> lol

21:35 <PovAddict> mweltin:

21:35 <PovAddict> fail

21:35 <PovAddict> you redirected 2.10 win to my server without even telling me - it's not there

21:35 <PovAddict> so clients are failing the download

21:35 <mweltin> oh I thought you said it was up

21:36 <wdsmia> PovAddict quick whats 2+2 without using a calculator

21:36 <MTughan> 4

21:36 <PovAddict> no, I said "I gave it to you, go update the version" :P

21:36 <PovAddict> wdsmia: 4

21:36 <PovAddict> MTughan: nobody asked you

21:36 <MTughan> :DDDD

21:36 <mweltin> ok that is fixed.

21:36 <mweltin> done

21:36 <mweltin> version update

21:36 <mweltin> is done

21:37 <PovAddict> ok, now I'll put it on the mirror

21:37 <PovAddict> 3.66K/s

21:37 <mweltin> I assume you have the md5, or does it change when the name of the app changes?

21:37 <PovAddict> I don't have md5

21:37 <PovAddict> and I deleted my file here after you downloaded it

21:37 <mweltin> want it?

21:38 <PovAddict> wait I think I have it...

21:38 <PovAddict> 3966509451ed44de5c11cccb8a80f0d3

21:38 <mweltin> yeah thats it

21:39 <PovAddict> 2.2KB/s

21:39 <mweltin> good day in samoa

21:39 <MTughan> Hehe... Some people with way too much time on their hands. http://lug.oregonstate.edu/events/firefox/crop-circle

21:39 <Romulus> Title: Take Back the Field | Oregon State Linux Users Group (at lug.oregonstate.edu)

21:40 <PovAddict> up

21:40 <PovAddict> get the redirection back

21:40 <Tank_Master> MT, you dont think alians did it?

21:40 <mweltin> done

21:42 <MTughan> &math convert 10000 feet to kilometers

21:42 <Romulus> MTughan: 3.048

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21:54 <mweltin> I gotta go study for my advanced dive cert I'll see you all later.

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22:39 <Tank_Master> yes! mw finally updated my stats

22:40 <Tank_Master> +30k for the day

22:40 <wdsmia> to bad he is going to wipe it all out at the end of the week

22:41 <Tank_Master> WWAHH!

22:41 <Tank_Master> your kidding...

22:41 <wdsmia> nope

22:41 <Tank_Master> why on god's green earth would he do that?

22:41 <wdsmia> read the tsp home page

22:42 <Tank_Master> I was refering to miklyway...

22:43 <wdsmia> Oh ok sorry was wondering how you got 30k on tsp lol

22:43 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:44 <Tank_Master> yeah, that would be a cool though

22:45 <Tank_Master> and to think I did break 10k to...

22:45 * wdsmia thinks he broke 49 lol

22:46 <Tank_Master> lmao

22:46 <Tank_Master> big numers there ;)

22:46 <Tank_Master> zombie isnt going to be happy...

22:48 <wdsmia> as mweltin said people crunch for the science not the credit

22:48 <Tank_Master> rriiigghhht

22:49 <Tank_Master> I coined the fraze "the science of collecting credit"

22:49 <wdsmia> rofl

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