IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2007-11-20

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00:37 <mweltin> no shocker no reply for the plea for help with credits.

00:37 <mweltin> Tank_Master, are you here?

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00:46 <Tank_Master> yes

00:46 <Tank_Master> sorry

00:47 <Romulus> yeah but that should change soon enough for a nap quail

00:47 <Tank_Master> monday night is a get-togher time for my team

00:47 <mweltin> I coudn't tell if you liked fixed credits or not from you post.

00:47 <Tank_Master> hehe

00:48 <Tank_Master> did think you would reading it after I posted it

00:48 <mweltin> you can get back to your team, is MNF

00:48 <mweltin> I read all the posts

00:48 <Tank_Master> fixed credit is fine is each platform is claming about the same

00:48 <mweltin> I try to do it daily

00:48 <Tank_Master> but I think you can set it that each platform grants a differnt amount

00:48 <mweltin> ok

00:49 <mweltin> yeah, it may be manually done but I think it can be done.

00:49 <Tank_Master> at least untill you get the platforms abc to roughly equal again

00:50 <Tank_Master> the problem I see is say windows taking 2x as long as  the linux, but getting the same credit

00:50 <mweltin> I don't think it will happen, or at least I can't bank on it.

00:50 <Tank_Master> but some would jsut say that the linux app is more efficent than the windows, which at this point is true

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00:51 <Tank_Master> so they would say the linux platfor *should* get 2x per day the amount of credit as windows

00:51 <mweltin> that is how I feel about it, but someone with a windows grid will be pissed.

00:52 <Tank_Master> I was supprized to se my x64 windows taking much longer than the 32bit on my P4s

00:52 <Tank_Master> more core2 rocks though

00:52 <Tank_Master> a WU in about 1h

00:52 <mweltin> crunch3r did the 64 bit

00:52 <mweltin> he is in your team right.

00:52 <Tank_Master> yes

00:53 <Tank_Master> ill see if he cant optimize it

00:53 <Tank_Master> for I dont think he has any optimizations in it yet

00:53 <Tank_Master> he dosent come to our message board much though

00:54 <mweltin> the win 64 is still at 2.09

00:54 <mweltin> it doesn't have the fix for the progress bar.

00:54 <Tank_Master> a later verson is out?

00:54 <Tank_Master> aahhhh

00:54 <mweltin> no not for 64

00:54 <Tank_Master> that might help ;)

00:54 <mweltin> just 32

00:55 <mweltin> Pov made it in mingw for me.

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00:55 <Tank_Master> and that slowed down the app by 2x?

00:55 <mweltin> yeah it slowed it down a lot.

00:56 <Tank_Master> wow

00:56 <mweltin> checking far too often.

00:56 <Tank_Master> should I be back to my 11 min WUs?

00:56 <Tank_Master> :)

00:56 <mweltin> not sure if it were 2x

00:56 <Tank_Master> those were nice

00:56 <mweltin> hahaha

00:56 <mweltin> you were cranking htem out.

00:56 <Tank_Master> maybe I can see if cruncher can remove that part, just to save speed ;)

00:57 <Tank_Master> I dont care if I dont see the progress, just as long as they crunch fast :D:D

00:57 <mweltin> the source is publicly accessable

00:57 <mweltin> he can get the new source

00:57 <mweltin> I didn't care either , but a few other alpha tests mentioned it.

00:57 <mweltin> and they noticed right away the 0->1 ->100% done

00:58 <Romulus> i've been using bam from boincstats to attach your computer with the load you have to have a fix?

00:58 <Tank_Master> rommie, shove it till you can speek correctly

01:00 <Tank_Master> oh

01:00 <Tank_Master> my last question I had there

01:01 <Tank_Master> are you going to reset the stats?

01:01 <BadBarbarian> tahk you incorable

01:01 <mweltin> no

01:01 <mweltin> I don't think I can

01:01 <BadBarbarian> incorgable

01:01 <mweltin> other sites archive stats on their own.

01:01 <Tank_Master> if you cleared the DB, and the xml exported 0 for a user, then it would be

01:02 <mweltin> the db_purge grants credits

01:02 <Tank_Master> they would pick up the 0ed stats and replace theirs with yours

01:02 <mweltin> it doens't just erase entires.

01:02 <Tank_Master> ok

01:02 <mweltin> I'm going to stop generating new work Friday.

01:02 <Tank_Master> as long as I get to keep my hard earened stats ;)

01:02 <mweltin> and just let work run out.

01:02 <Tank_Master> ok

01:03 <mweltin> I'm working hard to make sure that I don't loose any credits.

01:03 <Tank_Master> k :)

01:03 <Tank_Master> zombie n I wil be pleased

01:04 <mweltin> you two are crazy (in a good way)

01:04 <Tank_Master> hehe

01:04 <Tank_Master> Ive been to his place to

01:04 <Tank_Master> he runs all his comps out of his house

01:05 <Tank_Master> he has one of those wire shelving  stands in his gaurage with about 12-16 comps on it

01:05 <Tank_Master> some are dual quad comps

01:05 <mweltin> yeah he was saying you have "free" power.

01:05 <Tank_Master> I do at work

01:06 <Tank_Master> which is y 6 of my own comps are at work

01:06 <Tank_Master> left one at home

01:06 <mweltin> he does crazy stuff over at sun, he shot me a url of the project he is working on now.

01:06 <Tank_Master> lol

01:06 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:07 <mweltin> its dinner time

01:07 <mweltin> see ya later

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01:08 <Tank_Master> um, ok

01:21 <quail> afternoon all, how are we all?

01:21 <efc> hey

01:21 <quail> moo efc

01:21 <efc> I guess everyone saw that new fusion-inducing Intel 3.2 ghz quad core

01:22 <quail> nope

01:23 <efc> summary: hot, fast, expensive, unavailable

01:24 <quail> oh

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02:20 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

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02:34 <Tank_Master_> moin?

02:34 <Tank_Master_> for @!#$ sake, is it that time already?

02:34 <Tank_Master_> man I need to be getting to bed earlyer

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02:34 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

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02:50 <yoyo[RKN]> brb --> breakfast

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02:51 <mweltin> &weather 96799

02:51 <Romulus> mweltin: Temperature: 75F / 24C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h ; Today - Occasional showers with isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 80s. Variable winds 10 mph...with higher gusts in showers.; Tonight and Thursday - Scattered showers with isolated thunderstorms. Lows near 80. High near 90. Variable winds 10 (1 more message)

03:02 <yoyo[RKN]> moin mweltin

03:02 <yoyo[RKN]> hu 24C

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03:23 <mweltin> hey

03:23 <mweltin> how are you yoyo

03:29 <Soul_keeper> http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153  phenom a dissapointment

03:29 <Romulus> Title: AnandTech: AMD's Phenom Unveiled: A Somber Farewell to K8 (at anandtech.com)

03:48 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

03:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 60.0F / 15.6C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5.9mph / 9.5km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. South winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly (1 more message)

03:49 <CoderForLife> &more

03:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: cloudy with a slight chance of thunderstorms. A chance of showers in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

03:50 <CoderForLife> "Here comes the rain again... Raining in my head like a tragedy... Tearing me apart like a new emotion..."

03:53 <efc> Yo CFL

03:53 <mweltin> rom needs a tide table

03:54 <CoderForLife> hello efc

03:54 <CoderForLife> hello mweltin

03:54 <mweltin> weather here is the same everyday

03:54 <CoderForLife> are you on the moon?

03:55 <mweltin> low of 84 high of 89 chance of showers.

03:55 <mweltin> the only thing that changes often high and low tide

03:56 <efc> &weather 31088

03:56 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 45F / 7C | Humidity: 99% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Patchy fog early. Highs in the mid 70s. Light and variable winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. Light and variable winds.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. South winds up to 10 mph.;

03:56 <CoderForLife> the moon causes tides, but has no tides, therefore you aren't on the moon

03:57 <CoderForLife> American Samoa??

03:58 <efc> It has mare (mara?) right? So there must be water.

03:58 <CoderForLife> It has seas, of dust.

03:59 <efc> The dust shifts around. It caused all sorts of problems on the set, burying the gaffers, etc

03:59 <mweltin> seas of dust

03:59 <mweltin> thats funny

04:00 * efc , master of misinformation

04:02 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:05 <yoyo[RKN]> mweltin : I canceled some tsp wus. after more than 1h the wus were at 0.4%

04:06 <mweltin> yoyo were you running 2.09 or <

04:07 <mweltin> the 2.10 version fixed that.

04:07 <yoyo[RKN]> 2.09

04:07 <mweltin> the workunits were fine there was an error in the fraction_done call.

04:07 <mweltin> progress went from 0->1%

04:07 <mweltin> adn then  it was done.

04:07 <yoyo[RKN]> aha

04:08 <mweltin> I put it up in the news and the forum, sorry about that.

04:08 <mweltin> what platform do you run?

04:08 <mweltin> we have 2.10 for most.

04:08 <yoyo[RKN]> win XP

04:09 <mweltin> you should have the new one by now then.

04:09 <CoderForLife> b

04:11 <yoyo[RKN]> now the wu is at 0.4% after 20seconds

04:12 <yoyo[RKN]> some more question mweltin

04:13 <mweltin> shoot

04:13 <yoyo[RKN]> tsp searches the shortest path of 48 cities?

04:13 <mweltin> yes

04:13 <yoyo[RKN]> how many path are in one wu?

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04:13 <mweltin> 11!

04:13 <mweltin> &math 11!

04:13 <Romulus> mweltin: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

04:13 <Romulus> or going back to what happened to starbuck

04:13 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

04:14 <yoyo[RKN]> how many wus are needed to complete the 48 tsp?

04:15 <mweltin> good question, technically 48!/2, but I never figured out how to remove dupicates, so it will do 48!.  I rationalize it by saying I kept the redundency for error checking, but that is a lie.

04:17 <mweltin> ooops I didn't answer your question

04:18 <mweltin> aaahhhhhhhh shot answer lots, lots and lots and lots.

04:18 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

04:18 <mweltin> off hand I would guess 37!

04:18 <mweltin> but that is a guess

04:18 <yoyo[RKN]> ok

04:18 <CoderForLife> 42

04:19 <yoyo[RKN]> I suggest to use fixed credits and quorum=1

04:19 <blendtux> is burp ever working

04:19 <CoderForLife> 25 or 6 to 4

04:20 <mweltin> I think the fixed credits will do well, and I can move to a quorum of one but it will take a little more work on the validator for me to do that.

04:23 * CoderForLife slides out of the room for the moment

04:26 <mweltin> I'm going to bed

04:26 <mweltin> take care all

04:26 <mweltin> bbt

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04:29 * efc caught that Chicago reference

04:30 <blendtux> could somebody point me to some documentation how burp is working and about Wus etc etc

04:30 <blendtux> i am already on the burp website

04:30 <blendtux> but cant find anything about wus

04:35 <CoderForLife> b

04:35 <CoderForLife> thx efc

04:37 <CoderForLife> as an old trumpet player, I liked Chicago, Bill Chase, Herb Alpert, Maynard Ferguson, Tower of Power

04:38 <CoderForLife> I don't think there is much written on BURP, blendtux

04:39 <blendtux> yeah i noticed that CoderForLife, this is all new to me, trying to get some quality information,

04:40 <blendtux> so i know what i am doing, or better put know what my boinc manager is doing and my computer :)

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04:40 <CoderForLife> it's freelarry - we're saved!

04:41 <freelarry> not likely

04:41 <efc> moo FL

04:41 <freelarry> moo efc

04:41 <CoderForLife> well, hope springs eternal

04:41 <freelarry> lol yah that's what i keep telling myself

04:41 <efc> In the 60s and 70s there was a cool trumpet sound going around.. not sure if it was the way it was miked or what

04:41 <CoderForLife> ya gotta

04:42 <blendtux> anyway i joined burp last week, but nothing has happend since, manager says there is no work, or this CoderForLife: could you poit me to some good explanation how burp is working, or that the project encountered internal error etc etc

04:42 <freelarry> humm think it was a horn baffle usage efc

04:42 <CoderForLife> that's when I grew up efc

04:42 <CoderForLife> graduated high school in '75

04:42 <blendtux> ehm wrong sentence CoderForLife

04:42 <freelarry> 76 here

04:42 <blendtux> lol

04:43 <efc> "Close to you", the trumpet solo, might have been a fluegelhorn, very soft diffuse sound

04:43 <CoderForLife> The Carpenter's song?

04:43 <freelarry> burp is still alpha phase i think blendtux - i don't know if he has had anymore work submitted to him

04:44 <efc> Yep. Just one example

04:44 <CoderForLife> I even like the overture to Tommy - French horn

04:45 <CoderForLife> I had trouble playing French horn - too little differentiation on notes based on air pressure

04:45 <CoderForLife> I slid all over the place, like playing trombone

04:46 <CoderForLife> being in a different key (F?) didn't help this old B-flat guy either

04:46 <efc> I played it a bit, did a few of the mozart concertos, thats as good as i ever got

04:46 * CoderForLife bows to efc's French horn accomplishments

04:48 <freelarry> ah i see janus investigating a webserver crash but thats all i can tell for burp

04:54 <CoderForLife> oh goody goody goody - my copy of TurboTax arrives today

04:55 * CoderForLife does some bizarre cartwheels

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04:56 <CoderForLife> hmm

04:57 <CoderForLife> musta skeert him off

05:02 * freelarry checks - nope shirt still on

05:02 <freelarry> oh CoderForLife was talking bout efc

05:03 <CoderForLife> yup - I mentioned taxes, and he disconnected

05:03 <freelarry> lol lucky you didn't give this machine a cpu attack

05:04 <freelarry> thats almost as bad as word as the 4 letter w word

05:05 * freelarry takes stock of what he needs to purchase tomorrow for quck and dirty repair/improvement to old comp room

05:08 <freelarry> &nn all

05:08 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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05:17 <CoderForLife> later for me too

05:26 <blendtux> i am submitting a file to burp to render, but i find only the settings for an animation, how can i set it to be a still image to be rendered

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06:28 <MTughan> And I'm off to school...

06:28 <MTughan> I'm assuming CoderForLife is already off to w%&$?

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07:07 <hawmps> 'lo

07:08 <wdsmia_> wb Jay

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07:11 <hawmps> thanks

07:11 <wdsmia> how was the trip?

07:14 <hawmps> very nice

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08:59 <blendtux> could somebody explain to me what is happening with my uploaded file? take a look at http://burp.boinc.dk/session.php?id=688

08:59 <Romulus> Title: Session gallery - Still Blender (at burp.boinc.dk)

08:59 <blendtux> yes that is mine

09:00 <blendtux> Romulus: what is happening with it

09:00 <Romulus> blendtux: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

09:00 <blendtux> what do you mean Romulus

09:04 <blendtux> Romulus: ?? are you here

09:04 <Romulus> blendtux: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

09:05 <PriitM> ll

09:05 <PriitM> Romulus is crazy

09:05 <Romulus> PriitM: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

09:06 <blendtux> ehm PriitM, is my render accepted by burp

09:06 <blendtux> http://burp.boinc.dk/session.php?id=688

09:06 <Romulus> Title: Session gallery - Still Blender (at burp.boinc.dk)

09:07 <blendtux> http://blendtux.blogsite.org

09:07 <Romulus> Title: Blender 3D (at blendtux.blogsite.org)

09:07 <blendtux> Romulus: is a nice bot

09:07 <Romulus> blendtux: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

09:07 <PriitM> www.romulus.net

09:07 <PriitM> maybe we can crash him

09:08 <PriitM> Accept20 Nov 2007 13:55:44 UTCDone

09:09 <blendtux> why would you want to crash him PriitM

09:10 <PriitM> actually I don't even know :<

09:11 <blendtux> btw are you a burp contributer

09:11 <PriitM> no, I do only SETI@home

09:11 <Romulus> the bad thing is that a government big enough file anyway

09:12 <blendtux> oke,

09:22 <BadBarbarian> rommies great dont go trying to hurt him

09:22 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86034

09:22 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 31F / -1C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 67. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph late in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 32. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming (1 more message)

09:22 <BadBarbarian> &more

09:22 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: light.; Wednesday - Cooler. Mostly sunny. Highs around 56. Light winds.;

09:26 <hawmps> 'lo BB

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09:45 <hawmps> form:

09:45 <hawmps> &weather La Paz mexico

09:45 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 6:42 AM MST; Scattered Clouds. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Clear. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Clear. High:87 F. / 31 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 F. / 15 C.;

09:46 <hawmps> to:

09:46 <PovAddict> hey hawmps

09:46 <BadBarbarian> 'lo hamps

09:46 <hawmps> &weather 12074

09:46 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 30.3F / -0.9C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain this morning...then a chance of rain this afternoon. Cold with highs in the upper 30s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday (1 more message)

09:46 <BadBarbarian> hawmps

09:46 <PovAddict> heh, weather change

09:46 <hawmps> ya think?

09:47 <BadBarbarian> any snow yet

09:50 <PriitM> we had some few days ago :>

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09:53 <hawmps> was snow &b ice this am

09:58 <BadBarbarian> morning zombie

10:03 <PovAddict> Firefox 3 Beta 1 is out

10:04 <PovAddict> if you're brave enough to try it, **backup your firefox profile first**; on first run firefox3 will convert your profile to a new format not recognized by firefox2 and there is no way back

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10:27 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

10:27 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 42.9F / 6.1C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 30.41in / 1029.7hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Morning clouds with patchy fog...then mostly sunny. Highs around 45. Light wind. Near The Gorge... light wind becoming east 5 to 15 mph by late in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...then mostly cloudy with patchy fog. (1 more message)

10:27 <Tank_Master> &more

10:27 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Lows 30 to 35. Light wind...except east wind 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 45 to 50. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Near The Gorge...east wind 15 to 30 mph.;

10:36 <zombie67> hello, I was making breakfast

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10:37 <Tank_Master> just ate mine

10:41 <Tank_Master> and im off to work now

10:41 <Tank_Master> c-ya guys later

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11:27 <hawmps> lol - waiting for lunch...

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11:42 <blendtux> well my image got renderd with burp

11:42 <PovAddict> nice, link?

11:44 <zombie67> bbl

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11:48 <blendtux> PovAddict: well its not much, but overhere it would take me something like a day to render it

11:48 <PovAddict> a day is nothing :)

11:48 <blendtux> and remember this is an old image and i am using blender only for a couple of weeks now

11:48 <blendtux> i know a day is nothing but now i get a very fast

11:49 <blendtux> the still blender is mine http://burp.boinc.dk/gallery.php the resolution is 1920 x 1028

11:49 <Romulus> Title: Session gallery (at burp.boinc.dk)

11:49 <blendtux> the funny thing is, that the render is wrong

11:49 <blendtux> its not the way it should look

11:50 <blendtux> the lighting is wrong,

11:50 <blendtux> there must be some error in the way the image is processed

11:51 <hawmps> "Es simplemente demasiado frío maldito"

11:52 <PovAddict> o_o

11:52 <blendtux> what PovAddict

11:53 <blendtux> besides what i dont understand is allso that this image is accepted cause i dont have any credits yet

11:53 <PovAddict> the initial idea was that you used your credits to "pay" for the rendering service

11:54 <PovAddict> to avoid somebody submitting a HUGE animation but not contributing CPU time himself

11:54 <PovAddict> but so far the system is working fine keeping the renders totally free, so there is no need

11:54 <blendtux> oh oke, btw i have my boinc client open, but i dont get something todo

11:54 <PovAddict> see burp website

11:55 <blendtux> i dont understand, i did the render so i could see how it works when my computer starts working

11:55 <PovAddict> "0 workunits waiting"

11:55 <blendtux> so people should upload some files to render

11:56 <blendtux> this is alpha right, testing phase

11:56 <blendtux> but what do you think of the render, PovAddict

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12:11 <E-30> HI

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12:43 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

12:43 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : ?

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12:48 <zombie67> yoyo[rkn]:  are you there?

12:50 <yoyo[RKN]> yeah, fighting with my project

12:50 <zombie67> hi!

12:51 <zombie67> problem with yoyo (ogr)

12:51 <yoyo[RKN]> ahhhhh, nt yet

12:51 <zombie67> I mean, I am having a problem

12:51 <zombie67> the tast gets to the 8th part, and then starts looping

12:52 <yoyo[RKN]> hm

12:52 <zombie67> Tue Nov 20 09:51:27 2007|yoyo@home|Task ogr_071117142028_72_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file

12:52 <zombie67> Tue Nov 20 09:51:27 2007|yoyo@home|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.

12:52 <zombie67> Tue Nov 20 09:51:27 2007|yoyo@home|Restarting task ogr_071117142028_72_0 using crunch version 107

12:52 <yoyo[RKN]> which operating system?

12:52 <zombie67> this is happening more an more frequently lately, but not every time.  Maybe 10%.  And I notice it only on OSX

12:52 <zombie67> 10.4/tiger

12:53 <yoyo[RKN]> i saw in some logs, that on Linux and mac sometimes some ogr are lost

12:53 <yoyo[RKN]> which leads in the end to that loop

12:53 <zombie67> always during the 87.5% section

12:54 <yoyo[RKN]> ppc or intel mac?

12:54 <zombie67> intel

12:54 <zombie67> I don't recall seeing it on PPC macs

12:55 <zombie67> but that may be just because they are so much slower, and aren't crunching that much

12:55 <zombie67> I have one doing it now.  Anything you want me to do before I abort it?

12:56 <yoyo[RKN]> no

12:56 <yoyo[RKN]> have an idea what the problem can be

12:56 <yoyo[RKN]> will make a new version in some hours

12:56 <zombie67> okay, I will abort now

12:57 <zombie67> thanks for looking into this!

12:58 <zombie67> FWIW, I have my yoyo settings for all projects, and for test apps

12:59 <yoyo[RKN]> I create one test wu, but it will not be send

13:00 <yoyo[RKN]> and I don't know why

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13:12 <zombie67> TM:  you're slacking at TSP....

13:13 <TMatWork> the 64bit app ahsnt been updated yet

13:13 <TMatWork> so its still much slower

13:13 <zombie67> yesterday, I was only a couple thou ahead.

13:13 <zombie67> now 8k ahead

13:13 <TMatWork> sent a PM to cruncher, but I dont think he has read it yet

13:14 <TMatWork> that all?

13:14 <zombie67> how is your pending?

13:14 <TMatWork> you should be double me

13:14 <zombie67> I am still crunching all the other projects too

13:14 <zombie67> I have 4500 in pending

13:15 <TMatWork> 1,601

13:15 <TMatWork> ill brb

13:21 <TMatWork> ib

13:21 <TMatWork> im working on milkyway to

13:22 <TMatWork> als, with the 64bit win app, because its taking longer, I clam 45e credits but only get 10 or 20

13:22 <TMatWork> so thats hurting me

13:22 <TMatWork> the linix apps are claming 10 and getting 20 usually

13:22 <TMatWork> because of the win app

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13:29 * yoyo[RKN] is too stupid

13:29 <yoyo[RKN]> can someone explain it to me:

13:29 <yoyo[RKN]> -priority_order_create_time

13:29 <yoyo[RKN]>     Enumerate work items in order of decreasing result.priority, then increasing workunit.create_time

13:31 <TMatWork> my unedumacated guess:

13:31 <TMatWork> its refering to a WU going into "high priority" when it gets near its deadline, and not working on other WUs

13:32 <yoyo[RKN]> i have a lot of old wus with prio 0 and one new with prio 1

13:32 <yoyo[RKN]> i want the prio 1 wu to be sent out

13:32 <TMatWork> ahh, this server side?

13:33 <yoyo[RKN]> yeah

13:33 <TMatWork> then I hevent a clue ;)

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13:57 <TMatWork> mw!

13:59 <TMatWork> hows it going?

14:01 <zombie67> hello

14:02 <TMatWork> I think im gonna kill off milkyeay

14:02 <TMatWork> to meny errors

14:02 <zombie67> why?

14:02 <zombie67> \ah

14:02 <zombie67> for me, the pop-up errors have dropped significantly

14:02 <zombie67> It's been at least a day since I have had one

14:03 <TMatWork> its been a while since I looks at some of these last

14:03 <TMatWork> so they probably still have the old app

14:03 <zombie67> I seem to recall the admin saying something about some bad WUs in the wild

14:04 <zombie67> if true, should be clear soon

14:05 <TMatWork> some?

14:06 <TMatWork> its been like this since I started the project

14:06 <zombie67> I can only say that they have slowed way down for me

14:06 <TMatWork> the astronamy application has encounteres an eror  debug or exit

14:06 <mweltin> hello

14:06 <TMatWork> thats good

14:07 <TMatWork> hows it going?

14:07 <zombie67> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/forum_thread.php?id=53

14:07 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-yU> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

14:07 <mweltin> things are good

14:07 <TMatWork> you have your test yet?

14:08 <mweltin> no, I was going to do that now

14:08 <yoyo[RKN]> zombie67

14:08 <mweltin> you mean the platfrom test?

14:08 <zombie67> yes?

14:08 <yoyo[RKN]> I made new versions

14:08 <zombie67> great!

14:09 <TMatWork> no, didnt you say last night you were going to go study for a test?

14:09 <yoyo[RKN]> for intel/pps mac and 32/64 linux

14:09 <mweltin> oh, yeah my advanced dive cert.

14:09 <TMatWork> yeah

14:09 <zombie67> I take it you found the bug?

14:09 <mweltin> the tests take a few days

14:10 <TMatWork> ahh

14:10 <TMatWork> ok

14:10 <TMatWork> crunch3r still hasnt made a 64bit 2.10 app?

14:11 <mweltin> no not yet

14:11 <TMatWork> bummer

14:11 <mweltin> I'll email him right now, he is very responsive.

14:12 <TMatWork> I think I have an idea why my core2 still runs rather well even with the excessive looking

14:12 <TMatWork> tell him to check his PM over at SETI.USA

14:13 <TMatWork> the large cache and better out-of-ordre exictution probably helps a lot

14:13 <mweltin> PM?

14:13 <TMatWork> private message

14:14 <TMatWork> I sent him soemthing there, but I dont know if he read it yet or not

14:14 <mweltin> ok will do

14:15 <zombie67> bbl

14:15 <TMatWork> thx

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14:16 <TMatWork> I asked if he could build me an app w/o the progress updating ;)

14:17 <mweltin> sorry crunch3r has a hole pile of new apps for me already

14:17 <mweltin> I had not checked my tsp PM

14:17 <TMatWork> hehe

14:17 <TMatWork> cool

14:18 <TMatWork> so soon I should have a 2.10 for my 64bit?

14:20 <mweltin> win 64, his own platform

14:20 <mweltin> very soon

14:20 <TMatWork> :D

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14:24 <freelarry> humm this machine getting on last legs it would seem

14:24 <TMatWork> lol

14:24 <freelarry> beginning to give alarms spurously

14:24 <TMatWork> not good

14:25 <freelarry> nope but what can i say the case has had 3 diffrent mb and cpu's in it over the years and the last over 5 yrs ago

14:26 <freelarry> last time i looked at mb notices a few caps beginning to bulge on top so about time i guess

14:27 <TMatWork> yeah...

14:27 <TMatWork> sounds like it

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14:27 <TMatWork> the core2s will blow it out of the watter anyway

14:27 <TMatWork> howdy E

14:27 <freelarry> lol almost anything will blow it out of water - old P4 single 2.8

14:28 <TMatWork> hehe

14:28 <freelarry> socket 478

14:28 <TMatWork> no HT?

14:28 <freelarry> older than HT

14:28 <E-30> hey how are you soing

14:28 <E-30> doing

14:28 <TMatWork> not bad

14:28 <E-30> cool

14:28 <E-30> well jest got off work

14:28 <TMatWork> I got one of those chips at church, slow as hell to work with

14:28 * freelarry ducks head and puts tape over mouth before spoouting

14:28 <TMatWork> nice

14:29 <E-30> lol

14:29 <TMatWork> its 11:30 here, so my luch ic comming soon

14:29 <freelarry> lol TMatWork you should have tried an old 8088 cpu

14:29 <E-30> its 8:31pm here

14:29 <freelarry> 1130am here

14:29 <TMatWork> I was in grade school then

14:29 <TMatWork> well, sctually kindergarden

14:30 <freelarry> i was halfway thru my time in service at the time i got one

14:30 <freelarry> and yes i retired

14:30 <TMatWork> my mom made those ;)

14:30 <TMatWork> she works for intel

14:30 <freelarry> ahh

14:31 <freelarry> i think they still use them but with embedded programming for some appliances

14:31 <TMatWork> they were used in the boing 747s

14:31 <TMatWork> dunno if they still are or not

14:31 <freelarry> means they still are

14:32 <freelarry> at least the older ones

14:32 <TMatWork> yeah

14:33 * freelarry remembers the vast improvement to combat systems on ship when the 8088 mainframes were installed

14:33 <TMatWork> lol

14:33 <TMatWork> yet nothing compaired too what they are now...

14:33 <freelarry> yeah the 286 series was already hitting the market

14:34 <freelarry> magamp analog comps before the 8088

14:34 <TMatWork> :)

14:34 <TMatWork> good times

14:34 <E-30> lol

14:34 <TMatWork> things were a lot slower back then

14:35 <freelarry> always - wondered why the ET's were calling the ship's electrician to go fix thier systems - they couldn't understand magamps

14:35 <TMatWork> lol

14:36 <E-30> wow

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14:47 <mweltin> ok Tank_Master your 64bit is up.

14:47 <mweltin> not mirrored so you will have to get it the hard way.

14:47 <PovAddict> hi

14:49 <mweltin> PovAddict! nice to see you.

14:53 <E-30> yea

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14:54 <Canadian> Hello,

14:54 <E-30> hi

14:54 <Canadian> could some one help me determine why i'm getting errors?

14:55 <PovAddict> maybe

14:55 <E-30> on what project

14:55 <PovAddict> can't tell until we see the errors...

14:55 <E-30> true

14:55 <Canadian> rosetta

14:55 <Canadian> host id 647042

14:56 <Canadian> http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=121617732

14:56 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-zY> (at boinc.bakerlab.org)

14:56 <PovAddict> yep looks like half your workunits are crashing

14:56 <Canadian> there is one of a half a dozen examples

14:57 <TMatWork> tsp now as all app up to 2.10

14:57 <PovAddict> Canadian: 5.4.11 is *old*

14:58 <TMatWork> 5.10.20 the stadard now? or did they move it up again?

14:58 <Canadian> thats on some of the older WU.

14:58 <Canadian> i just upgraded.

14:58 <TMatWork> 6.1.x is in development

14:58 <PovAddict> ah sorry, lemme check

14:58 <PovAddict> yeah, 5.10.8 and still crash

14:58 <Canadian> to 5.10.8 as seen here...

14:58 <PovAddict> you may want to post on the rosetta forums

14:59 <TMatWork> don tuse it yet if you see it around

14:59 <Romulus> had big thunder-boomers around midnight last night and they had qualifying on TV too and compare the difference between workunits?

14:59 <Canadian> ok thanks

15:00 <TMatWork> I dont know if thise auto scripts are to be funny, but they sure are alloying

15:00 <mweltin> If a project has multiple apps, is it possible for a client to process just one type?

15:00 <TMatWork> yes

15:00 <mweltin> I'm still working on the credit thing.

15:00 <PovAddict> mweltin: yes but you need to write some web code yourself...

15:00 <TMatWork> you meen more than one app for each pltform?

15:00 <mweltin> I think I can handle that.

15:00 <mweltin> what is the web portion?

15:01 <mweltin> My thought is that the brute force lends itself well to fixed credits, but the genetic algorithm does not.

15:01 <mweltin> hence, after I finish the ga, people will be able to get credits based on the system they like best.

15:02 <mweltin> everyone is happy (almost)

15:02 <E-30> not bad

15:02 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AppFiltering

15:02 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/153X> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

15:02 <PovAddict> ...geez

15:02 <mweltin> and the ones that do it just becaues the like the project don't care either way.

15:02 <PovAddict> that's really little docs

15:03 <mweltin> my webhost rebuilt apache/php and didn't build in mysqli

15:03 <mweltin> every page on www.myisland.as crashes.

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15:04 <TMatWork> ouch

15:04 <mweltin> app filtering doesn't see too hard.

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15:04 <yoyo[RKN]> hi PovAddict

15:04 <PovAddict> you need to write your own web code to add that parameter to the user's prefs

15:05 <mweltin> yeah, that will be easy.

15:06 <yoyo[RKN]> the feeder option -priority_order_create_time seems not to work. It sends always oldest work units, not wus with higher prio first.

15:07 <PovAddict> note it doesn't change the order things are sent

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15:07 <PovAddict> strictly said, it changes the order workunits are loaded from the database into the feeder queue

15:07 <yoyo[RKN]> I know, but it sends wrong

15:07 <PovAddict> the order things are taken out of that queue is random

15:07 <mweltin> do my apps need to parse out hte app_init_data, or does the boinc client handle that?

15:07 <PovAddict> mweltin: what for?

15:08 <PovAddict> mweltin: parsing that is for app settings like to change the colors on the screensaver or something

15:08 <mweltin> the app filtering

15:08 <PovAddict> uh, the server handles that

15:08 <PovAddict> what would you do? crash the app if it's not the one chosen by user? :P

15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> I changed it to -priority_order and higher priorities are sent first

15:08 <mweltin> thats what didn't make sense.

15:09 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: hmm interesting

15:09 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: time to dig on sched code? :-\

15:09 <mweltin> the project-preferences page says you define the structure of the XML, but its seems that the app_id is predefined.

15:09 <TMatWork> PovAddict: well, crashing the app woould prevent it from running the wong app...

15:09 <TMatWork> err WU

15:10 <PovAddict> TMatWork: but it's an UGLY way to do it

15:10 <TMatWork> hehe

15:10 <TMatWork> quick and durty way, id say

15:12 <TMatWork> ill bbl, lunch time ;)

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15:49 <TMatWork> ib

15:50 <mweltin> nice

15:50 <TMatWork> had a bacon cheese burger

15:51 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmmm

15:51 <TMatWork> lots of manayse and ketchup

15:51 <PovAddict> :)

15:52 <PovAddict> http://icanhascheezburger.com/

15:52 <Romulus> Title: Lolcats n Funny Pictures - I Can Has Cheezburger? (at icanhascheezburger.com)

15:52 <TMatWork> had a liece of lettise on it to, so I have had my greens for the day

15:52 <TMatWork> piece*

16:16 * freelarry thinks the happy face pic on PovAddict link is him

16:22 <mweltin> ok I'm outta here.  I have to look for a job for real now.

16:22 <mweltin> bye

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16:24 <xcamel> re-hi

16:24 <freelarry> howdy

16:24 <PovAddict> hey xcamel

16:24 <xcamel> we be back

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16:26 <MTughan> Hey PovAddict: Want to test an application that was just emailed to me?

16:26 <MTughan> Just for fun. :P

16:26 <PovAddict> o_o?

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16:32 <MTughan> Heh... TSP WUs, my computer always claims the lowest credit of the three tasks sent out, and it's usually the value I say that is the actual credited value!

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16:37 <MTughan> 'lo c0dey

16:37 <MTughan> Excess flood, eh? Tsk, tsk, tsk...

16:38 <xcamel> 'lo CFL

16:38 <MTughan> Jay!

16:38 <xcamel> 'lo MT

16:38 <xcamel> er C0dr even

16:43 <xcamel> too damn cold here

16:44 <xcamel> should have stayed in mexico

16:44 <TMatWork> :)

16:45 <MTughan> 9C here.

16:45 <MTughan> Today's actually fairly warm.

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16:57 <PriitM> 0C here

16:58 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

16:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 72.7°F / 22.6°C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h | Updated: 6:58 PM ART; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Clear. Low:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Clear. Low:66 F. / 19 C.; Clear. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:75 F. / 24 C.;

16:58 <PovAddict> ...

16:59 <PriitM> &weather tallinn

16:59 <Romulus> PriitM: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 11:50 PM EET; Scattered Clouds. High:34 F. / 1 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:31 F. / -1 C.; Clear. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Overcast. Low:33 F. / 1 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F. / 3 C.;

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17:06 <xcamel> 0 here

17:06 <xcamel> 0C that is

17:09 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin

17:09 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 10:50 PM CET; Overcast. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Clear. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Rain. High:48 F. / 9 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:35 F. / 2 C.;

17:12 <xcamel> brb

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17:14 <zombie67> heh.  bit of a hissy fit going on the teams forum

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17:23 <Romulus> WB, Boss

17:23 <zombie67> tank_master:  you there?

17:23 <MTughan> Hey, nice greeting message...

17:24 <xcamel> :-)

17:24 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with an unworthy machine

17:26 <zombie67> MT:  thanks for them mac apps!

17:27 <MTughan> np

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17:29 <MTughan> Bye c0dey...

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17:46 <xcamel> 'lo Don

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18:01 <MTughan> Oh great... More netsplits.

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18:09 <CoderForLife> hmm  wot happened

18:09 <CoderForLife> a netsplit about a half hour ago?

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18:10 <CoderForLife> is this microphone on?

18:10 <CoderForLife> anybody got a copy on me, good buddy?

18:12 * CoderForLife peaks his finals

18:12 <CoderForLife> CQ CQ CQ

18:12 <CoderForLife> &ping

18:12 <Romulus> pong

18:13 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

18:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 61.4F / 16.3C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 2.3mph / 3.7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers late. Lows in the mid 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning... then showers with a slight chance of (1 more message)

18:23 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

18:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 40F / 4C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Areas of drizzle and a slight chance of rain in the evening. Areas of fog in the evening. Low in the mid 30s. North wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Wednesday - Cloudy. A chance of snow in the morning...then snow in the (2 more messages)

18:24 <wdsmia> &more

18:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: afternoon. Colder. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. High in the mid 30s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. North wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of snow in the evening. Colder. Low in the lower 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Snow Advisory for Warren County in (1 more message)

18:24 <wdsmia> &more

18:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: effect until 6:00 PM CST on November 21, 2007;

18:24 <wdsmia> Blah!

18:26 <CoderForLife> &more

18:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 60s. Southwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Wednesday Night - Showers. A slight chance of thunderstorms in the evening. Lows around 40. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.;

18:26 <CoderForLife> snow!

18:26 <CoderForLife> an Iowa blizzard

18:27 <wdsmia> thats what the man said :(

18:27 <CoderForLife> we have a Warren County in Ohio too

18:28 <CoderForLife> just a couple of miles north of me

18:28 <CoderForLife> we just had a family meeting to go over the health care plan options for next year

18:29 <CoderForLife> it's nice when we're all in agreement

18:29 <wdsmia> option 1 dont get sick

18:30 <CoderForLife> option 2 - use OPM if you can to py for it

18:30 <CoderForLife> py=pay

18:30 * wdsmia reads typo

18:30 <CoderForLife> option 3 - pay for it with before-tax dollars

18:30 <CoderForLife> lol

18:31 <wdsmia> or better know as use it or lose it

18:31 <CoderForLife> OPM=Other People's Money

18:32 <CoderForLife> freenode just wanted to know my IRC client version

18:32 <CoderForLife> OPM is one of my favorite TLAs

18:34 <MTughan> Ow... http://www.news.com/Nvidias-weekend-gaming-bash/1606-2_3-6219577.html

18:34 <Romulus> Title: CNET News.com (at www.news.com)

18:34 <MTughan> 48 hours of solid gaming.

18:35 <wdsmia> just think of all them wasted cpu cycles that could be going to boinc

18:35 <MTughan> lol

18:36 * CoderForLife shudders at the thought of it

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18:42 <xcamel> re-hi

18:42 <Tank_Master> wb camle

18:42 <BadBarbarian> 'lo xcamel

18:43 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

18:43 <Tank_Master> BB!

18:43 <BadBarbarian> hi

18:44 <xcamel> 'lo BB

18:44 <xcamel> did something stupid on kyzyl again - now running system restore

18:44 <Tank_Master> hehe'

18:45 <MTughan> How's TSP working out for everyone?

18:45 <xcamel> tsp?

18:46 <Tank_Master> slower than I would like

18:46 <MTughan> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/

18:46 <Romulus> Title: TSP (at bob.myisland.as)

18:46 <Tank_Master> I GOT ABC BETA WORK!

18:48 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

18:49 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

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18:52 <Tank_Master> waa?

18:52 <Tank_Master> dont tell my my work connection just dies on me

18:52 <Tank_Master> me*

18:52 <wdsmia> lol

18:53 <MTughan> "don't tell my me work connection just dies on me"? xD

18:53 <xcamel> about ready to dump cosmo

18:53 <Tank_Master> I still see it in my other chat server

18:53 <xcamel> your work connection just dies you.

18:53 <Tank_Master> died

18:54 <Tank_Master> that where baout 95% of my fleet is

18:59 <wdsmia> @Jay if Sethy was catching up to me that fast... I would dump cosmo too :P

19:00 <xcamel> keeps crashing boinc in linux

19:01 <wdsmia> just looking at your errors... insufficient virtual memory  yuk!

19:01 <Tank_Master> ouch

19:01 <Tank_Master> need more RAM

19:02 <wdsmia> 3 gigs on that box lol

19:02 <Tank_Master> needs more

19:02 <Tank_Master> :D

19:03 <wdsmia> Jay simple fix RUN WINDOWS  lol

19:06 <Tank_Master> :)

19:06 <wdsmia> well that killed the room

19:06 <zombie67> damn!  missed it!

19:06 <Tank_Master> lol

19:06 <Tank_Master> hiya z

19:06 <zombie67> hi

19:07 <Tank_Master> ABC beta has work

19:07 <zombie67> now can you crunch it time before it goes down again

19:07 <Romulus> well yeah that's what you are doing with the author of PerlBOINC and he looks to be opened in the llama grain though

19:07 <Tank_Master> no kiddin

19:07 <zombie67> did you hold on to those old WUs?

19:07 <Tank_Master> yep

19:07 <zombie67> did you get credit?

19:07 <Tank_Master> all 5 of them

19:07 <Tank_Master> have a clue

19:07 <zombie67> take a look

19:07 <Tank_Master> havent*

19:08 <zombie67> I take back what I said about milkiyway.  3 more pop-ups just after we talked

19:08 <Tank_Master> lol

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19:10 <Tank_Master> its gone

19:10 <Tank_Master> my oldest result is from today

19:11 <zombie67> that's what I thought

19:11 <Tank_Master> arg

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19:11 <Romulus> WB, Boss

19:12 <zombie67> oooo!  PPC app!

19:12 <Tank_Master> the 2.10 tsp app isnt much faster on my core2

19:12 <xcamel> me again

19:12 <Tank_Master> for win x64

19:12 <xcamel> yea for system restore

19:12 <Tank_Master> wb cam

19:12 <Tank_Master> lol

19:13 <zombie67> if they wanted to test ppc, they should tell us first.  now all work gone, and probably no PPC attached

19:13 <Tank_Master> test for who?

19:13 <zombie67> abc beta

19:13 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:13 <zombie67> they just added ppc app

19:13 <Tank_Master> im still d/ling work

19:13 <zombie67> no work

19:14 <Tank_Master> 11/20/2007 4:13:07 PM|ABC@home beta|Reason: no work from project

19:14 <Tank_Master> well ill be

19:14 <Tank_Master> a few sec ago I got some

19:18 <Tank_Master> short WUs for the beta

19:18 <Tank_Master> got more

19:21 <zombie67> got a few

19:22 <zombie67> the old results showing as past due oct 23, no reply

19:23 <zombie67> oo!  My PPCs have some.

19:23 <Tank_Master> I dont have any of the old ones on my list

19:24 <zombie67> did you look account -> results?

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19:24 <zombie67> or account -> machine -> results

19:24 <zombie67> nevermind

19:24 <zombie67> mine show up both ways

19:25 <Tank_Master> both ways do not show anything older than today

19:25 <zombie67> the machine that had them, has it contacted the server yet?

19:25 <Tank_Master> yes

19:25 <zombie67> hmmmm

19:25 <Tank_Master> its got new WU

19:25 <Tank_Master> they all do

19:25 <mweltin> anything wrong with giving out result information to users?

19:25 <Tank_Master> im going to hammer it for all its got

19:26 <zombie67> Ooo!

19:26 <mweltin> j2satx  asked for it because we were talking about credit granting systems.

19:26 <Tank_Master> mw!

19:26 <zombie67> PPC app was added to regular beta today too

19:26 <mweltin> Tank_Master,

19:26 <Tank_Master> wate, what?

19:26 <Tank_Master> :P

19:26 <mweltin> crunch3r is "fixing my code"

19:26 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:27 <Tank_Master> its just odd that I didnt see any speed-up on my core2

19:27 <MTughan> And I'm trying to make your favicon on the site better. More like the main logo.

19:27 <Tank_Master> gl

19:27 <MTughan> It's going pretty good.

19:28 <Tank_Master> good

19:28 <Tank_Master> im taking a slight break from tsp

19:28 <mweltin> funny I didn't know anything about favicon's until this project.  I was curious but never cared to find out.

19:28 <Tank_Master> ABC beta has work only once every other blue moon

19:28 <mweltin> WHAT?!

19:29 <Tank_Master> sowwy ;)

19:29 <Tank_Master> but man, you talk about short WUs

19:29 <Tank_Master> most are taking 9 sec, or less

19:29 <wdsmia> not much credit there Tank_Master

19:30 <zombie67> crap

19:30 <Tank_Master> im making u for it in volume

19:30 <wdsmia> lol

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19:31 <zombie67> no wonder they are going so fast

19:31 <Tank_Master> probably small number range

19:31 <Tank_Master> something just for testing

19:31 <Tank_Master> I did have one WU take over 2 min!

19:32 <Tank_Master> its just barly keeping up with the u/l

19:33 <Tank_Master> dosntn help when I get 6 WUs in a row that only take 1 sec

19:33 <zombie67> sorta like TSP in the early days

19:33 <Tank_Master> yeah, I just missed that

19:34 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/tspfavicon.png mweltin

19:34 <wdsmia> well it sounds like a good server bandwidth test lol

19:34 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1:5h> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

19:34 <Tank_Master> i out of WUs

19:35 <Tank_Master> so back to tsp

19:35 <zombie67> my PD 940 is kicking ass on ABC

19:35 <MTughan> Sized down from 253x167 to 16x16.

19:35 <mweltin> very funny zombie67 (tsp early days)

19:35 <Tank_Master> x64?

19:35 <zombie67> thats the one w/ xp 64

19:35 <Tank_Master> my core2duo was in the top 10 for quite some time

19:35 <Tank_Master> then people had the nerve to buy dual quads

19:35 <zombie67> I wonder what one of my 8-way 5355 w/ Xp64 could do....

19:35 <MTughan> "had the nerve"? lol

19:36 <Tank_Master> :P

19:36 <Tank_Master> what speed?

19:36 <MTughan> mweltin: What do you think of the favicon? Enough detail? Too much detail?

19:36 <Tank_Master> zombie?

19:37 <Tank_Master> 2.66

19:37 <Tank_Master> thx

19:38 <Tank_Master> I would estimate somewhere around 10-11k RAC

19:38 <Tank_Master> possably 12

19:38 <zombie67> ?

19:38 <MTughan> Please don't tempt me...

19:38 <zombie67> yes?

19:38 <Tank_Master> for your dual quad

19:38 <zombie67> Xeon 5355 = 2.66ghz

19:38 <Tank_Master> between 10 and 12k for 64bit ABC

19:39 <zombie67> my mac is 5356 - 3.0ghz

19:39 <mweltin> MTughan, ahh qood question, the favicon is by its nature hard to see.

19:39 <Tank_Master> closer to 12k

19:39 <MTughan> 16x16 isn't too much room, eh?

19:39 <Tank_Master> lol

19:39 <mweltin> MTughan,  so I would say too much detail as few peiple recognzie it as the letters tsp

19:39 <MTughan> It's not the letters. It's the paths.

19:40 <Tank_Master> not that meny will notice it anyway

19:40 <zombie67> TM:  what frequency do you have set for BAM connections?

19:40 <Tank_Master> on my 2048x1536, all I see are a few lines in the favcom

19:40 <MTughan> mweltin: It's the paths for the problem on the homepage.

19:41 <Tank_Master> z: every hr

19:41 <sethiroth66> wdsmia: dumping cosmo?

19:42 <Tank_Master> linux has probs

19:42 <mweltin> no MTughan  is letters

19:42 <MTughan> You want the letters on the favicon?

19:42 <wdsmia> not me

19:43 <wdsmia> Jay is having problems with it

19:43 <sethiroth66> aww :(

19:44 <MTughan> Hey, mweltin: Where you acknowledge us on your homepage, you put PovAddict twice.

19:44 <sethiroth66> i'll catch up to you dont worry wdsmia :)

19:44 <wdsmia> I was just thinking of putting my quad on it for a few days to bump up the rac :)

19:45 <Tank_Master> Pov deserves the reconition twice for all his efferts ;)

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19:45 <MTughan> 'lo e

19:45 <MTughan> lol TM

19:45 <efc> hey

19:45 <sethiroth66> moo

19:45 <Tank_Master> sup

19:45 <MTughan> He was put once as PovAddict, then second as Nicolas Alvarez.

19:45 <MTughan> They're one and the same. :P

19:46 <sethiroth66> or are they...

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19:46 <MTughan> Yes, they are.

19:46 <sethiroth66> dun dun DUN~!

19:46 <MTughan> DUN~!?

19:46 <mweltin> no way really?

19:46 <mweltin> pov = alvarez ?

19:46 <MTughan> Yeah.

19:46 <mweltin> LOL HAHAHAHAAHAHA LOL HAHAHAHAAHAAHAH

19:46 <MTughan> Next time he comes on, see what IRC reports his real name to be.

19:46 <mweltin> ROLF

19:46 <mweltin> HAHAHAHAAH

19:47 <mweltin> thats awesome!

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19:47 <Romulus> WB, Boss

19:47 <Tank_Master> hehe

19:47 <Tank_Master> wb x

19:47 <mweltin> ok I have to go and submit a american Samoa business license application.

19:47 <mweltin> bbl

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19:47 <zombie67> I was wondering is you knew that....

19:47 <Romulus> the 'ubuntu' package uses newer versions of the

19:47 <Tank_Master> man that was quick

19:48 <MTughan> If I knew that?

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19:48 <Tank_Master> not you

19:48 <Tank_Master> LOL

19:48 <PovAddict> >.>

19:48 <PovAddict> <.<

19:48 <Tank_Master> speeking of whom

19:48 <zombie67> mweltin knew pox = NA

19:48 * PovAddict points at the spy sethiroth66

19:48 <zombie67> pov

19:48 <Tank_Master> man, mw just missed ya by a few sec

19:48 <sethiroth66> ASSASSIN/NINJA

19:48 <sethiroth66> SETHY != SPY

19:48 <MTughan> He thought PovAddict and Nicolas Alvarez were different people.

19:48 <MTughan> xD

19:49 <PovAddict> spying ninja?

19:49 <sethiroth66> ninja == spy

19:49 <sethiroth66> ninja == spy++ [Kills];

19:49 <Tank_Master> PovAddict is n=Nicolas@*.*.*.* * Nicolas Alvarez

19:49 <sethiroth66> kthx

19:49 <PovAddict> ohh

19:50 * PovAddict joins #povray

19:50 * sethiroth66 wonders if there is a wiki on assassins creed

19:50 <sethiroth66> :o @ povray

19:50 <MTughan> Anyway, mw just about killed himself laughing.

19:50 <Tank_Master> :)

19:50 <zombie67> this is my rifle, this is my gun

19:50 <PovAddict> there will be a new Short Code Competition

19:50 <MTughan> Where do you think the nick PovAddict came from? He's addicted to POV-Ray!

19:50 <MTughan> Or was at one point...

19:50 <PovAddict> was

19:50 <Tank_Master> may the shortest coder win!

19:50 <PovAddict> lol

19:51 <sethiroth66> PovAddict: have you seen assassins creed?

19:51 <MTughan> 1m60cm!

19:51 <MTughan> Wait, are there any midgets in the house?

19:51 <Tank_Master> no, just dwarfs

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19:54 <MTughan> Rommie? I thought you greeted your maker?

19:54 <MTughan> &ping

19:54 <Romulus> pong

19:55 <wdsmia> &ding

19:55 <Romulus> DONG!

19:55 <MTughan> &coffee

19:55 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

19:55 <MTughan> Ha, I don't!

19:56 <wdsmia> &beer

19:56 <Romulus> Here's your beer, wdsmia... Now drink up before I slap you silly!

19:57 <sethiroth66> &pizza wdsmia

19:57 <Romulus> sethiroth66: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

19:57 <sethiroth66> :o

19:57 <sethiroth66> WHY1?!

19:57 <MTughan> You can make aliases.

19:57 <MTughan> I don't know how, but I know you can make them.

19:57 <MTughan> xcamel?

19:58 <PovAddict> &help alias add

19:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," and cannot be (1 more message)

19:58 <PovAddict> but don't get xcamel angry, Don't Abuse The Bot

19:58 <MTughan> Oh... That helps.

19:59 <sethiroth66> &alias add Here is a slice of pizza for you $1

19:59 <Romulus> sethiroth66: The operation succeeded.

19:59 <sethiroth66> &pizza MTughan

19:59 <Romulus> sethiroth66: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

19:59 <sethiroth66> :o

19:59 <sethiroth66> OHSHIT

19:59 <wdsmia> asks sethiroth66 to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:59 <sethiroth66> sorry

19:59 <MTughan> &alias pizza add Here is a slice of pizza for you $1

19:59 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

19:59 <PovAddict> no... you phail

19:59 <MTughan> &alias add pizza Here is a slice of pizza for you $1

19:59 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

19:59 <MTughan> &pizza sethiroth66

19:59 <PovAddict> you made the alias do this:

19:59 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

19:59 <PovAddict> &Here is a slice of pizza for you

19:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

19:59 <PovAddict> and &Here command doesn't exist

20:00 <MTughan> &alias add Here is a slice of pizza for you $1 pizza

20:00 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

20:00 <PovAddict> &alias add pizza echo Here is a slice of pizza for you $1

20:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

20:00 <MTughan> &pizza sethiroth66

20:00 <Romulus> Here is a slice of pizza for you sethiroth66

20:00 <PovAddict> I win

20:00 <PovAddict> you lose

20:00 <PovAddict> bwahahaha

20:00 <PovAddict> bwahaha

20:00 <xcamel> ok.. knockt it off...

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20:00 <PovAddict> see, you made xcamel angry already

20:00 <MTughan> Well, I have no idea how to do that!

20:00 <sethiroth66> :(

20:00 <sethiroth66> &pizza xcamel

20:00 <Romulus> Here is a slice of pizza for you xcamel

20:00 <blendtux-away> yes ive work todo for burp

20:01 <PovAddict> yep seems 705 workunits to go

20:01 <xcamel> it will cause romy to ignore you for a long period of time...

20:01 <PovAddict> janus himself sent a session... seems he's testing a new burp feature

20:01 <MTughan> There's BURP work?

20:01 <blendtux-away> yeah

20:01 <MTughan> Nice...

20:01 <blendtux-away> i changed my client

20:01 * MTughan fires up the VM

20:01 <blendtux-away> and then it gave me work

20:01 <Romulus> I have some databases at 1/2 op on the hozion for you now?

20:01 <blendtux-away> the linux client wich came with my distro is not working

20:02 <PovAddict> linux clients distributed on distro packages are currently **old**

20:02 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/tspfavicon.png PovAddict, what do you think of that?

20:02 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1:5h> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

20:02 <blendtux-away> yeah

20:02 <PovAddict> MTughan: tiny?

20:02 <MTughan> Favicon, so 16x16.

20:03 <PovAddict> MTughan: it already has a favicon anyway..

20:03 <MTughan> I figured that could use a facelift.

20:03 <PovAddict> I think the existing favicon design is easier to see on a lower size than the existing page logo

20:03 <PovAddict> so, base on that

20:04 <sethiroth66> back to assassins creed for me

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20:04 <blendtux-away> funny PovAddict  burp its actualy running blender on my pc

20:04 <MTughan> Well... I could always get transparency on the current one then.

20:04 <MTughan> Yeah, BURP is just a BOINC blender renderer.

20:04 <PovAddict> blendtux-away: what did you expect it to do...?

20:05 <seth_afk> quickly backup something

20:05 <MTughan> BURP: Big Ugly Rendering Project.

20:05 <PovAddict> explode?

20:05 <seth_afk> one of my mates at college called his USBStick 'Porn'

20:05 <MTughan> ...

20:05 <seth_afk> just so he can ask, have you seen my porn?

20:05 <MTughan> Okay, that's not bad...

20:05 * wdsmia asks the room to please watch there language Thanks, your friendly channel op

20:06 <blendtux-away> dunno PovAddict

20:06 <seth_afk> tu parler en francais?

20:06 <blendtux-away> btw did it install another binary of blender om my pc or is it using my binary on my pc

20:06 <MTughan> Installed a stripped down version.

20:06 <zombie67> can't connect to BURP

20:07 <PovAddict> you don't need blender installed to process on burp

20:07 <PovAddict> dinn3r->

20:07 <MTughan> Bye.

20:07 <zombie67> can't connect

20:07 <zombie67> server down

20:07 <MTughan> I don't know. I'm doing fine.

20:08 <zombie67> Project communication failed:  attempting access to reference site

20:08 <Tank_Master> for what?

20:08 <MTughan> BURP.

20:08 <zombie67> "project servers may be temporarily down"

20:09 <zombie67> MT:  can you try manyally updating and see what messages you get?

20:09 <MTughan> I've already got a WU.

20:09 <zombie67> I know

20:09 <MTughan> Just got it about a minute ago.

20:09 <zombie67> I want to know what it says when you try to connect

20:10 <MTughan> Success.

20:10 <zombie67> did their URL change?

20:10 <MTughan> http://burp.boinc.dk/

20:10 <Romulus> Title: BURP (at burp.boinc.dk)

20:11 <zombie67> all my machines are giving me the same error message with BURP

20:11 <MTughan> Can you access the site in a browser?

20:11 <zombie67> yep

20:12 <MTughan> Sounds like a specific port problem then.

20:12 <zombie67> 9 consectutive time...backing off for 1 day

20:12 <zombie67> not with me

20:13 <zombie67> I have 78,000 credits there

20:13 <zombie67> I can reach all other projects

20:13 <zombie67> nothing has changed on my network since forever

20:14 <zombie67> also, BAM cannot contact BUR{

20:14 <zombie67> P

20:14 <zombie67> and stat updates havent happened in orver a day

20:14 <zombie67> at BOINCstats

20:14 <MTughan> Well, I don't know. It's working for me.

20:15 <zombie67> so BAM & BOINCstats cannot reach BURP, neither can I

20:15 <zombie67> what country are you in?

20:15 <MTughan> Canada.

20:15 <zombie67> hmmmmm

20:16 <zombie67> I take that back, BAM can reach BURP

20:17 <MTughan> BURP is reachable here too: http://www.esea.dk/esea/boincschedulers.php

20:19 <CoderForLife> nighty-nite

20:19 <MTughan> Night CFL.

20:19 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: there are no video renders or games going, you should have an average house here

20:22 <xcamel> by CFL

20:23 <Tank_Master> romulus: you sould stop spamming the boards

20:23 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

20:23 <Tank_Master> romulus: you sould stop spamming the boards

20:23 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

20:23 <zombie67> I just tried detach/reattach.  no good

20:23 * MTughan mutilates Tank_Master with a chaotic elephant

20:23 * MTughan blends Romulus with a buggy wand of fire

20:26 <zombie67> well, this suck

20:26 <zombie67> s

20:26 * wdsmia asks the room to please watch there language Thanks, your friendly channel op

20:26 <MTughan> wdsmia: Seems to be a fairly open script...

20:27 <zombie67> sucks is a bad word?

20:27 <MTughan> zombie67: Well, there's still plenty of WUs if you can get it working.

20:27 <wdsmia> that one isnt a script per say

20:27 <zombie67> problem is not at my end, so nothing I can do to fix

20:27 <zombie67> I posted on their board

20:27 <MTughan> Maybe your ISP then.

20:28 <MTughan> It's not their problem, because everyone can get it.

20:28 <MTughan> Everyone else, that is.

20:28 <zombie67> like I said, I have 78k.  so I have been able to get work in the past

20:28 <zombie67> doubtful they just now sytarted blocking that IP

20:29 <MTughan> Not the IP, because web access works.

20:29 <wdsmia> zombie67 same problem on only one box cant find referance site

20:29 <zombie67> I have the same problem across all my win boxes

20:29 <MTughan> Any Linux boxes?

20:29 <zombie67> thanks wdsmia, good to know I am not the only one

20:30 <xcamel> many here

20:31 <wdsmia> no your not crazy... maybe alittle nuts

20:32 <zombie67> linux works fine!

20:33 <zombie67> just downloaded work

20:34 <zombie67> only a problem with XP

20:37 <wdsmia> just fixed it on my box kill boinc manager and restart it

20:38 <zombie67> ding!!

20:39 <zombie67> should have figured.  Windows:  exit/start, or cycle the power

20:39 <wdsmia> yep

20:40 <zombie67> thanks!!

20:42 <xcamel> NNTN: UN Discusses Global Warming in Spain as Snow Pummels Switzerland...

20:42 <PovAddict> <--

20:42 <xcamel> 62cm so far...

20:47 <zombie67> brb

20:57 <Soul_keeper> what !?!?!

20:57 <zombie67> now have 48 tasks dl'd

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21:15 <zombie67> BB

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21:15 <zombie67> hi bye

21:27 <zombie67> bbl

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21:29 <Soul_keeper> wtf

21:32 <Tank_Master> yo

21:33 <MTughan> 'lo TM

21:33 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a terrifying ring

21:33 <MTughan> Hey, I beat 150K total... Woohoo!

21:34 <PovAddict> 190969.54

21:34 <wdsmia> 6,568,444.02

21:34 <MTughan> lol

21:34 <PovAddict> we're talking about different orders of magnitude here

21:34 <PovAddict> (geez)

21:35 <MTughan> 150K to 190K, and then 6.6 million.

21:35 <PovAddict> wdsmia: don't worry nobody's trying to beat you

21:35 <Romulus> 1. a bit small for 14 trees a month for a Mac person.

21:35 <MTughan> Heh. 64% of my total credits is in E@H.

21:35 <PovAddict> Romulus: you're the most weird thing alive

21:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

21:36 <PovAddict> and you lack PySQLite too

21:36 <MTughan> Who would program in Python anyway?

21:37 <PovAddict> suPYbot

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21:42 <MTughan> brb

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21:51 <MTughan> Where'd you get the pirate quote?

21:52 <Romulus> Well, I can get them there for today?

21:58 <zombie67> pirate quote?

21:59 <Tank_Master> "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. M

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22:07 <MTughan> Still no mweltin... For his favicon, sized it down from 40x40 to 16x16 and added transparency.

22:07 <MTughan> Modified the current one.

22:22 <zombie67> Ah, it must trunkate the like

22:22 <zombie67> line

22:22 <zombie67> "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken

22:23 <zombie67> "Love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence."-- H.L. Mencken

22:23 <zombie67> A man may be a fool and not know it, but not if he's married. -- H.L. Mencken

22:28 <wdsmia> It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man.

22:28 <wdsmia> H. L. Mencken

22:28 <Romulus> you should make a team in the us is that almost every time I attached another project work)

22:30 <wdsmia> well on that note

22:30 <wdsmia> &nn

22:30 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

22:30 <Tank_Master> gn

22:38 <MTughan> I'm probably going to be saying night soon too. Past few nights, I've come awful close to falling asleep at my computer. :P

22:40 <Tank_Master> lol

22:40 <Tank_Master> same here

22:44 <MTughan> Hmm... zombie67, apparently that quote is actually sourced to him, but not actually sourced from him.

22:45 <MTughan> Same with the second you put, the one about love. The married one is sourced to him though.

22:47 <MTughan> wdsmia: I can't find that quote on Wikiquote. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken

22:47 <Romulus> Title: H. L. Mencken - Wikiquote (at en.wikiquote.org)

22:47 <MTughan> Oh, he went bye...

23:12 <zombie67> back

23:12 <zombie67> really?

23:13 <zombie67> if not him, then who?

23:13 <Tank_Master> ?

23:15 <zombie67> "apparently that quote is actually sourced to him, but not actually sourced from him"

23:19 <MTughan> Yeah, it's unsourced. It's been attributed to him.

23:20 <MTughan> But not actually confirmed as his saying.

23:22 <MTughan> Well, I'm off to bed. Night all.

23:23 <Tank_Master> gn

23:23 <Romulus> It's running - but couldn't sit for long though

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