IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2007-11-21

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00:00 <Tank_Master> wb

00:00 <zombie67> TM?

00:00 <Tank_Master> not here

00:00 <zombie67> q:  intel 945, will it support C2Q?

00:00 <Tank_Master> depends

00:00 <Tank_Master> officially no

00:01 <Tank_Master> but apparently some mobo manufactures got it to work (at least the 65nm duo)

00:01 <zombie67> I have a 945G mobo with PD, thinking of upgrading

00:01 <Tank_Master> what speed of Pd?

00:01 <Tank_Master> whats the mobo?

00:02 <zombie67> PD 940

00:02 <zombie67> ECS 945G-M3

00:02 <Tank_Master> agah

00:02 <Tank_Master> I hate ECS

00:02 <zombie67> yeah

00:03 <Tank_Master> Extreamly crappy stuff

00:03 <zombie67> I was on a micro atx kick for a while

00:03 <Tank_Master> my first intuition is no, it will not

00:03 <zombie67> what would be the constraint?  bios?

00:03 <Tank_Master> ECS

00:04 <Tank_Master> its cheep for a reason

00:04 <zombie67> intel says 945G supportd C2D

00:04 <zombie67> okay, another similar case:  gigabyte GA-945GM-S2

00:05 <zombie67> curently running C2D

00:05 <Tank_Master> all duo will more than likely take a quad

00:05 <Tank_Master> there is no differnce in the chipsets

00:05 <Tank_Master> (my just need a bios flash to see the quad)

00:06 <Tank_Master> may*

00:06 <zombie67> last one, curretly a PD945

00:06 <Tank_Master> there maybe 5% that dont have the requiered power supplys, but I would be supprized id gigabyte was one of them

00:07 <zombie67> Asus P5B (P965)

00:07 <zombie67> deffinately, right?

00:07 <Tank_Master> probably

00:08 <Tank_Master> generic p5b?

00:08 <zombie67> I think I will upgrade the asus, and the gigabyte, then take the C2D out of the gig and try it in the ecs

00:09 <Tank_Master> no -e, or premium, ect

00:09 <zombie67> lemme look

00:10 <Tank_Master> Core 2 Quad Q6400 (2.13GHz,1066FSB,L2:2X4MB,rev.B3,4 cores)    ALL  0609

00:10 <Tank_Master> Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.40GHz,1066FSB,L2:2X4MB,rev.B3,4 cores)    ALL  0609

00:10 <Tank_Master> Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.40GHz,1066FSB,L2:2X4MB,rev.G0,4 cores)    ALL  1405

00:10 <Tank_Master> Core 2 Quad Q6700 (2.66GHz,1066FSB,L2:2X4MB,rev.G0,4 cores)    ALL  1405

00:10 <zombie67>

00:10 <Tank_Master> last colum is the bios revision nessicary to have the quad work

00:10 <Romulus> Title: - ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (at

00:10 <Tank_Master> if it is the generic one

00:11 <Tank_Master> yeah it is, or apprears to be

00:11 <zombie67> ok, so it looks it's a go, just need to make sure the bios us up to date

00:11 <Tank_Master> so the gigabyte and asus defently will take a quad

00:11 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:11 <Tank_Master> not a bad idea anyway

00:12 <zombie67> heh.  That means going from a PD 940, PD 945 amd a C2D 2.66, to 2x C2Q and a C2D (maybe Q!)

00:13 <Tank_Master> not bad

00:13 <zombie67> tell me what XP will do to me....

00:13 <Tank_Master> x64?

00:14 <Tank_Master> my duo @ 3.07 gets me 2.7-2.8kRAC in ABC

00:14 <Tank_Master> so roughly 2x that

00:15 <zombie67> no, I mean, after changing processors, how will XP react?

00:15 <Tank_Master> itll be faster

00:15 <Tank_Master> there arent any drivers, and XP dose support upgrading 10 devices before it want to reactivate

00:15 <zombie67> no, I mean, will XP even work?  Or will need to re-register, re-install?

00:16 <Tank_Master> unless you have that volume licence I have

00:16 <zombie67> ah

00:16 <zombie67>

00:16 <Romulus> <> (at

00:16 <Tank_Master> itll work like it did before

00:16 <zombie67> it sayes (v3.0)

00:16 <zombie67> no idea what mine is

00:16 <Tank_Master> Support Intel Core 2 Duo Processor

00:17 <Tank_Master> that last one you posted...

00:17 <zombie67> yeah, so if it supports C2D, maybe C2Q

00:17 <Tank_Master>

00:17 <Tank_Master> dosent look like it

00:17 <Romulus> <> (at

00:18 <zombie67> nuts

00:18 <Tank_Master> not even the extream editions

00:18 <zombie67> at least I can move my C2D 6600 over

00:18 <Tank_Master> it may not be able to supply the 95w needed for the quads

00:18 <Tank_Master> true

00:18 <zombie67> PSU....lemme look

00:18 <Tank_Master> and I can use the Pd ;)

00:19 <Tank_Master> no, the motherboard

00:19 <Tank_Master> not the CPU

00:19 <Tank_Master> PSU*

00:19 <Romulus> Can only do work on it I'll used fixed.

00:19 <Tank_Master> gaa

00:19 <zombie67> 400 W:

00:19 <Romulus> <> (at

00:19 <Tank_Master> 400w is enough for a quad

00:20 <Tank_Master> unless you have some high end vid cards ;)

00:20 <Tank_Master> wich would be a waste for BOINC

00:20 <zombie67> that was the whole point of microATX w/ a G chipset

00:20 <zombie67> small, cheap, no vid needed

00:20 <Tank_Master> :)

00:20 <Tank_Master> so yeah, you can defently get some nice upgrades

00:21 <zombie67> yeah, can you use the PDs?

00:21 <Tank_Master> yep

00:21 <Tank_Master> I got one with a 2.8 in it

00:21 <Tank_Master> and I think another one has a P4 in it that can take a Pd as well

00:22 <zombie67> this is one

00:22 <zombie67>

00:22 <Romulus> <> (at

00:22 <zombie67> the other:

00:22 <Romulus> <> (at

00:22 <Tank_Master> 9xx or 8xx?

00:23 <Tank_Master> that second one has the onboard vid, and the first one dosent, correct?

00:24 <zombie67> check out the result from that first machine:

00:24 <Romulus> <$1> (at

00:24 <zombie67> look at the details....

00:24 <Tank_Master> 4.2GHz

00:24 <Tank_Master> nice

00:25 <zombie67> the other is running stock, since none of the microatx boards are OC-able

00:25 <zombie67> the 4.2 is also the one with the X1950XTX

00:25 <Tank_Master> nice vid card to

00:25 <zombie67> I built when I was on a folding kick

00:26 <Tank_Master> ahh

00:26 <zombie67> used it for the graphics application

00:26 <Tank_Master> yeah, defently to bad they didnt port over to BOINC

00:26 <zombie67> you ever run folding?

00:26 <Tank_Master> nopw

00:26 <Tank_Master> I did UD for a while

00:26 <Tank_Master> United Devices

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00:26 <zombie67> the UD client is still being used by WCG

00:27 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:27 <zombie67> but *finally* being phased out.

00:27 <Tank_Master> but no new projects are being created for it

00:27 <Tank_Master> :)

00:28 <zombie67> soooo

00:29 <zombie67> Q6600 $265, Q6700 $540, QX6850 $999

00:30 <zombie67> Mmmmm:

00:30 <Romulus> <$5> (at

00:31 <Tank_Master> depends on how much you want to spend

00:31 <zombie67> stupid to buy the QX6850

00:31 <Tank_Master> lol

00:31 <Tank_Master> id probably got the 2.44 and try to overclock it

00:31 <zombie67> with the QX9650 just a few weeks away and only $300 more

00:32 <Tank_Master> 9650 may not work on yours

00:32 <zombie67> I have a C2Q 6600 running at 3.0ghz

00:32 <zombie67> could probably do that again

00:32 <Tank_Master> the 45nm dose have different motherboard power requoirnments

00:33 <zombie67> the other two are microATX and no OC

00:33 <Tank_Master> thats probably your safest bet

00:33 <Tank_Master> bummer

00:33 <zombie67> yeah, it will be the lower two I am looking at for these boxes

00:33 <Tank_Master> :)

00:34 <zombie67> For the one I can OC, definatley the 6600.

00:34 <zombie67> for the one I can't, maybe the 6700...

00:35 <Tank_Master> why waste the money on womthing that cant o/c?

00:35 <zombie67> double for .2?

00:35 <zombie67> naw

00:35 <Tank_Master> id just go with two 6600

00:35 <zombie67> not worth it

00:35 <Tank_Master> no

00:35 <Tank_Master> unless your going to o/c the 6700

00:35 <Tank_Master> and have a good setup for it

00:35 <zombie67> why would be, since I can't OC, the 6700 would produce the most crunchgin

00:36 <zombie67> where I *can* OC, go with the cheaper, then OC

00:36 <Tank_Master> id go the other way around, the more expensive one you o/c to get even more out of it ;)

00:37 <Tank_Master> but I dought you could get 2x a 6600, so dont bother

00:37 <zombie67> I work with chips a lot (expecially those from my own company)

00:37 <Tank_Master> get more ram or something

00:37 <Tank_Master> up them to 4GB

00:37 <zombie67> those in the lowest bin, especially this late in the cycle

00:38 <zombie67> are really just down-binned

00:38 <Tank_Master> well, intel is haveing problems meating quotsa right now...

00:38 <Tank_Master> you didnt hear that from me

00:38 <zombie67> in which bin?

00:38 <Tank_Master> D1C

00:38 <Tank_Master> dunno the bin numbers

00:38 <zombie67> alkehr you say?

00:38 <zombie67> ;)

00:39 <zombie67> I mean, which way are they having to streach?

00:39 <Tank_Master> my mom works there ;)

00:39 <Tank_Master> they arent making enough

00:39 <Tank_Master> dunno y though

00:39 <zombie67> "short" doesn't tell you enough

00:40 <Tank_Master> this is before they get sorted

00:40 <Tank_Master> and tested

00:40 <zombie67> for example, they may be short in the slow bin, and have to "spend" better chips in the lesser profitable bin

00:40 <Tank_Master> yeah, this is before all that

00:41 <zombie67> but still, some bins will meet volume goals, others will not

00:41 <Tank_Master> they are still all on the wafer as one big round 12" disk

00:41 <Tank_Master> havent been cut or anything

00:41 <zombie67> the key is to find out which bin is starving

00:42 <Tank_Master> my guess with the price, the 6600 are being sold the most

00:43 <zombie67> 2x Q6600s on order!

00:43 <Tank_Master> how much where they?

00:43 <Tank_Master> (can you add one for me :D)

00:43 <zombie67> $265

00:43 <zombie67> ea

00:43 <zombie67> newegg

00:43 <Tank_Master> not bad

00:44 <Tank_Master> im hopeing to get a 45nm chip for xmas

00:44 <zombie67> lemme check something

00:44 <Tank_Master> but I dont know what they are giving out yet for the employees

00:45 <zombie67> wow.  pricewatch shows the best price is $265

00:45 <Tank_Master> lol

00:45 <zombie67> I love newegg

00:47 <Tank_Master> they aint bad

00:48 <zombie67> had a couple bad mobos, they replaced them, no problem

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00:49 <zombie67> what happe3ned to early to bed?

00:50 <Tank_Master> its not even 10 yet

00:52 <zombie67> for MT, I meant

00:52 <Tank_Master> ahh

00:52 <zombie67> TM:  those P4 dell boxes?

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00:52 <zombie67> if you are thinking of upgrading them to PDs, forget it

00:52 <zombie67> already tried

00:53 <zombie67> they don't have the chipsets for it.

00:53 <Tank_Master> no, i got a HP at woth with an Pd 2.8 in it

00:53 <Tank_Master> and an asus board which I am hoping...

00:53 <zombie67> just wanted to save you some work

00:53 <Tank_Master> :)

00:54 <zombie67> 925 chipsets , I think

00:54 <Tank_Master> in the dells?

00:54 <zombie67> yeah

00:54 <Tank_Master> crap[

00:55 <Tank_Master> then the asus wount take a Pd

00:55 <Tank_Master> oh well

00:55 <zombie67> lemme check something

00:55 <zombie67> er, maybe 915?  memory slipping....

00:56 <Tank_Master> at least going form a 2.8 8xx to a 3.4 940 will help

00:56 <zombie67> oh yeah, for sure!

00:56 <zombie67> and OC?

00:56 <Tank_Master> 925 is the glorifyed edition og the 915

00:56 <Tank_Master> no, unfrentlyt

00:57 <Tank_Master> unfortently*

00:57 <zombie67> those folders I gave you with the boxes

00:57 <zombie67> still have them?

00:57 <Tank_Master> yep

00:57 <zombie67> I think I printed out the mobo info

00:57 <Tank_Master> ok

00:57 <Tank_Master> cool

00:57 <zombie67> when I was trying this same thing before with them

00:58 <zombie67> that is why I chucked them instead of upgrading'

00:58 <Tank_Master> right

00:58 <zombie67> ;)

00:58 <Tank_Master> figured as much

00:58 <zombie67> in fact, one of the PD 945 boxes I built to use the chip I had bought to test them out

00:59 <Tank_Master> :)

00:59 <zombie67> can't just lit a PD 945 just SIT there....

01:01 <Tank_Master> corse not

01:03 <zombie67> big old hissy fight going on at the teams forum

01:06 <Tank_Master> ?

01:06 <Tank_Master> your team?

01:06 <Tank_Master> mine is dead quiet

01:06 <Tank_Master> quick question

01:06 <zombie67> no, the boinc teams forum

01:07 <Tank_Master> wtf is exFAT?

01:07 <zombie67>

01:07 <Romulus> <$xq> (at

01:07 <Tank_Master> Im trying to format my USB stick, and its one of the options

01:07 <zombie67> FAT extended?

01:07 <zombie67> no idea

01:07 <efc> fat32?

01:07 <Tank_Master> fat32 (default) is there

01:08 <Tank_Master> NTFS, FAT, FAT32, and exFAT

01:08 <zombie67> I joined your forum.  can't read half the sub forums

01:08 <Tank_Master> wiki time!

01:09 <Tank_Master> Windows Vista Service Pack 1 adds support for exFAT.[1]

01:09 <Tank_Master>

01:09 <Romulus> Title: exFAT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

01:10 <zombie67> ah, if you have a flash drive > 4gb

01:10 <zombie67> use exFAT

01:10 <Tank_Master> mine is = 4GB

01:10 <zombie67> and yes, I was right

01:10 <Tank_Master> but wouldd XP see it?

01:10 <zombie67> ;)

01:10 <zombie67> doubt it

01:10 <Tank_Master> that would be a prob ;)

01:11 <Tank_Master> im taking this up with me to Seattle to use on my g-mas comp

01:11 <Tank_Master> its got that not-to-be-mentioned OS between 98 and XP

01:11 <Tank_Master> so fat32 should work

01:12 <zombie67> yep

01:12 <Tank_Master> with XP, fat32 was the ONLY option

01:13 <Tank_Master> I had to use the cmd promt to format it in ntfs

01:14 <zombie67> lord.  With a mac, the world is your oyster

01:15 <zombie67> pick a fs, any fs!

01:15 <Tank_Master> lol

01:15 <Tank_Master> not ntfs though

01:16 <zombie67> no, but ntfs can be read by osx

01:16 <Tank_Master> true

01:16 <Tank_Master> and by most unix/linux now

01:17 <Tank_Master> at least with some effert (might not be out of the box)

01:19 <zombie67> made 1200 at abc beta so far, since work started again

01:19 <Tank_Master> they still have more?

01:19 <Tank_Master> I ahent gotten any lately

01:19 <Tank_Master> and I didnt get much at all

01:20 <Tank_Master> only 300 credits or so

01:20 <Tank_Master> but I only have 5 comps on it

01:20 <Tank_Master> the 64bit ones

01:22 <zombie67> at a minut run time, i don't think 64 bit is must of a help

01:22 <Tank_Master> I cant wate for cruncher to *fix* the TSP win app

01:22 <zombie67> fix how?

01:23 <Tank_Master> "make better"

01:23 <zombie67> I hear 64 bit won't really help

01:23 <Tank_Master> im guessing to make it performa along the lines of the linus app

01:23 <zombie67> \neither will SSE*

01:23 <Tank_Master> ouch

01:23 <Tank_Master> who said that?

01:23 <zombie67> POV

01:24 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:24 <zombie67> however, perhaps the win current app just is slow for poor programming

01:24 <Tank_Master> im guessing he would know

01:24 <Tank_Master> its also because the app was written for linux

01:24 <zombie67> debug left on, stuff like that

01:24 <zombie67> crunch3r will know

01:24 <Tank_Master> and some of the code dosent translate well to windows

01:25 <zombie67> oh yeah, your forum stinks

01:25 <zombie67> ;)

01:25 <Tank_Master> yes he would

01:25 <Tank_Master> waahoo! I m working on another 1k ABC WU

01:25 <Tank_Master> gotta love credits

01:26 <zombie67> I got a bunch of bigguns with the xp64 box

01:26 <Tank_Master> I started up hydrogen again, droped MW

01:26 <Tank_Master> its nice, aint it?

01:26 <zombie67> this is just over two days:

01:26 <zombie67>

01:26 <Romulus> <> (at

01:27 <zombie67>

01:27 <Romulus> <> (at

01:27 <Tank_Master> just under what my core2 will do in one day ;)

01:27 <zombie67> and a few more pending

01:27 <Tank_Master> true

01:27 <Tank_Master> there is that

01:29 <zombie67> RS is wicked hot with the credits, even with 32 bit

01:29 <Tank_Master> watch that project at the end of the month...

01:29 <zombie67> sup, you arent't making even 10k/day

01:29 <zombie67> what's gonna happen then?

01:30 <Tank_Master> lets just say we want your #1 spot back back

01:30 <Tank_Master> our*

01:30 <zombie67> I got the last ~10 WUs from Seasonal attribution

01:30 <Tank_Master> they are out again?

01:30 <Tank_Master> crap, I missed it again

01:30 <Tank_Master> arg

01:30 <zombie67> yep, and that's all she wrote

01:31 <Tank_Master> oh well

01:31 <zombie67> they still have ~7k in progress

01:31 <Tank_Master> we arent to badd off there

01:31 <zombie67> attach, you may bet some

01:31 <zombie67> get

01:31 <zombie67> re-issues

01:31 <Tank_Master> and to think I detached about a month ago

01:32 <zombie67> SA = CPDN lite

01:32 <zombie67> 14 days, instead of 3 months

01:32 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:32 <zombie67> however, they need 1gb ram/task

01:32 <Tank_Master> Results ready to send 0

01:32 <Tank_Master> true

01:32 <zombie67> re-issues!

01:32 <Tank_Master> I only got 1 P4 with only a GB in it

01:33 <Tank_Master> rest are 1.5 or more

01:33 <zombie67> heh, your biggest slice is "other"

01:33 <Tank_Master> lol

01:33 <Tank_Master> great, isnt it?

01:33 <zombie67> sup with your rac?

01:33 <zombie67> loooooooow

01:33 <Tank_Master> milkyway isnt exporting stats

01:33 <Tank_Master> I got 30k in one day

01:34 <zombie67> I dropped them down to a fraction

01:34 <Tank_Master> which RAC wont see

01:34 <Tank_Master> I killed it off

01:34 <zombie67> the pop-ups are happening again

01:34 <Tank_Master> and most of my P3s were stick wth the pop-up

01:35 <Tank_Master> so who knows how long they wherent running

01:35 <zombie67> yeah, that crap is hard with a farm

01:35 <zombie67> my own team forum is generally dead too

01:35 <Tank_Master> esp when you got about 15-20 comps w/o a monitor

01:35 <zombie67> we're #17 global, yet never talk

01:35 <Tank_Master> we talk, but it goes in spurts

01:35 <zombie67> no one knows anyone else on the team

01:35 <Tank_Master> lol

01:36 <Tank_Master> man, come over to mine ;) well get to know ya

01:36 <Tank_Master> :D:D:D

01:36 <zombie67> it is trueley amazing we are just a large force, especially considering we are all mac users, yet have to esprit de corps

01:36 <zombie67> such, not just

01:37 <zombie67> no, not to

01:37 <zombie67> lord i suck at typing

01:37 <Tank_Master> I dont

01:37 <Tank_Master> it my keyboard that cant interperate what I want correctly

01:38 <zombie67> your team is no better, from the forums I am allowed to see

01:38 <zombie67> I joined, but can't look

01:38 <zombie67> my team forum, everyone is allowed to look at everything.

01:39 <zombie67>

01:39 <Romulus> <> (at

01:40 <Tank_Master> when you join, you should see everything my the members only area

01:40 <zombie67> nope

01:40 <Tank_Master> also, the messageboard and the home page are two seperate logins

01:40 <zombie67> ??

01:40 <Tank_Master> you need to creat an account for both

01:41 <zombie67> bizarre

01:41 <Tank_Master> they were created at two different times

01:41 <Tank_Master> the messageboard first..

01:42 <Tank_Master> then the homepage got a facelift and all that other stuff added, but duging development and testing, they didnt want to ecrew witht he messagenboard DB

01:42 <Tank_Master> and then it was just never joined together

01:42 <Tank_Master> they talked about it, but I think it was fear of breaking things that prevented it from happening

01:43 <zombie67> since they look identical, there are no clues that they are different

01:43 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:43 <Tank_Master> sorry bout that ;)

01:44 <zombie67> wait, there are forums on both??

01:44 <Tank_Master> ?

01:44 <Tank_Master> the main messageboard is

01:44 <Romulus> Title: Team SETI.USA : Forums (at

01:45 <Tank_Master> most of us go strait there and dont look at the home page

01:45 <zombie67> nevermind, it just looks different once logged in

01:45 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:46 <zombie67> many more sub forums displayed

01:46 <Tank_Master> you like the security question?

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01:46 <Tank_Master> "what color is the sky"

01:46 <zombie67> blue?

01:46 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:46 <Tank_Master> that killed all the bots we had for spam

01:47 <zombie67> plus a "what does this picture spell" thing

01:47 <Tank_Master> once that was in place, not more bot has come in

01:47 <Tank_Master> they actually got around that

01:47 <zombie67> do you guys do your own stats?

01:47 <Tank_Master> yep

01:47 <Tank_Master> starting on it

01:48 <Tank_Master> thats rather new, and not all projects are there

01:48 <zombie67> my team does, for the older projects, including the non-boinc ones.  Our team pre-dates boinc

01:48 <Tank_Master>

01:48 <Romulus> Title: SETI.USA Home - Stats (at

01:48 <Tank_Master> ours dosent

01:48 <Tank_Master> though we do have a folding team

01:49 <zombie67> My team:

01:49 <Romulus> <> (at

01:49 <Tank_Master> not much support for it though

01:49 <zombie67> see how tiny?  yet still #17

01:49 <Tank_Master> good comps will do that for ya

01:50 <zombie67> mos of out team member are still running PPCs

01:50 <Tank_Master> older mac, how well do they perform?

01:50 <zombie67> it is mostly running seti + alexkan's app

01:50 <zombie67> pooooorly!

01:50 <Tank_Master> lol

01:51 <zombie67> alexkan is verygood at what he does.

01:51 <zombie67> his app spanks chicken

01:51 <Tank_Master> did you get set up on our message board?

01:51 <Tank_Master> lol

01:51 <Tank_Master> nice

01:51 <zombie67> yep!

01:51 <Tank_Master> what about crunch3rs?

01:52 <zombie67> his too

01:52 <Tank_Master> so I take it you can see much more now?

01:52 <zombie67> and he is even showing "who?" a thing or two

01:52 <zombie67> that will be the real show-down I think

01:53 <zombie67> I was making over 10k at seti with my 8-way mac

01:53 <Tank_Master> not bad at all

01:54 <zombie67> when I re-started crunching with boinc @ seti, I looked for optimized apps for macs.

01:54 <zombie67> I found his, and Team MacNN

01:54 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:55 <zombie67> was grateful, and joined

01:55 <Tank_Master> hency y u joined it

01:55 <zombie67> the rest is history

01:55 <Tank_Master> makes since to me

01:55 <Tank_Master> first team I joined was an Intel one (cus thats where I worked)

01:55 <zombie67> back pre-boinc, I was part of Team Sun

01:55 <Tank_Master> but eventually noone kept working for it and I because 2nd in it without much effert

01:56 <zombie67> same here

01:56 <Tank_Master> yeah, this was pre-

01:56 <Tank_Master> BOINC

01:56 <Tank_Master> then I stoped ASETI and went to UD and was teamless

01:56 <zombie67> at 10M, I am considering changing teams, or maybe going teamless

01:57 <Tank_Master> after a few projects were created for BOINC (4 or 5) I came back

01:57 <zombie67> I think 10M resolves me of any debt

01:57 <zombie67> OTOH, it is hard ot leave 10M behind

01:57 <Tank_Master> what debt?

01:57 <zombie67> debt of grtitude

01:58 <Tank_Master> I stayed with the old team for SETI for a while, but then when SETI,USA was starting up, they were recruting inthe SETI boards..

01:58 <Tank_Master> I almost joined then, but wanted to up my place in the intel team abit more.

01:58 <Tank_Master> few months later I was #2 and no way to get to #1, so I changed teams

01:59 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:59 <Tank_Master> we can always use more crunchers! ;

02:00 <Tank_Master> you may see up saying "we need help here", or "lets all crunch here", but in reality, you crunch what you want

02:00 <Tank_Master> that hasnt changed

02:00 <zombie67>

02:00 <zombie67> sup with JV?

02:00 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats | BOINC combined - User stats - SETI.USA (at

02:00 <Tank_Master> split ID

02:01 <zombie67> who is again?

02:01 <Tank_Master> same with kevint

02:01 <zombie67> right!

02:01 <Tank_Master> thats kev

02:01 <Tank_Master> lol, hes down at 25th to

02:01 <zombie67> JV has 79 + 66 M??

02:02 <Tank_Master> at 10m, youd be jumping in at 11th place for the team

02:02 <Tank_Master> jim works for a university...

02:02 <Tank_Master> need I say more?

02:02 <Tank_Master> :)

02:02 <Tank_Master> some of the classrooms are using core2duos

02:03 <Tank_Master> youll have good compition over here

02:03 <zombie67> but my points for team don't move with me

02:03 <Tank_Master> the climate ones will

02:03 <Tank_Master> the rest wont

02:03 <zombie67> heh

02:04 <Tank_Master> but the list here is your own total, not how mcuh you put into the team

02:04 <zombie67> but I am not sure that boincstats makes the destinction

02:04 <zombie67> yeah

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02:04 <Tank_Master> boincstats will show the climate credits transfering

02:04 <Tank_Master> cimate, BBC, and seasonal

02:04 <zombie67> we'll see

02:05 <Tank_Master> Ive seen it before

02:05 <zombie67> no, I mean we'll see, if I make a move

02:05 <Tank_Master> SETI.USA jumped over 100 places the day I joined for climate ;)

02:05 <Tank_Master> ahh, sorry

02:05 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:06 <zombie67> I seem to be doing 1M ~2 months

02:06 <zombie67> should jump quite a bit soon!

02:06 <Tank_Master> will be quicker witht he quads

02:06 <zombie67> heh

02:07 <zombie67> the other problem, I am the founder and sole member for many of the smaller projects

02:07 <Tank_Master> we do ahve a good hardware trading program

02:07 <Tank_Master> yeah... same here

02:07 <Tank_Master> though generall not the sole person

02:07 <zombie67> where the projects have mac apps, i usually get one or two members to join.  not the others.

02:08 <Tank_Master> In the projects's forum, you should see an "new and upcomming projects" thread

02:08 <Tank_Master> in our message board

02:08 <Tank_Master> thats where I post new projects I signed the team up for

02:09 <Tank_Master> and yes, some I got from you lately ;)

02:09 <zombie67> with my team, whoever gets ther first founds it.

02:09 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:09 <zombie67> oh yea, a new one.

02:09 <zombie67> lemme find it...

02:09 <Tank_Master> with mine, Im the first, so I found it

02:09 <Tank_Master> only the ones lately that auto creat the accoutns am I not the founder

02:10 <zombie67>

02:10 <Romulus> Title: Test Project (at

02:10 <Tank_Master> the zivis spinoff?

02:10 <zombie67> Oh yeah, just a couple days ago, I finally took over the teams master, so all new will autocreate with me

02:10 <Tank_Master> LOL

02:10 <Tank_Master> nice

02:10 <zombie67> zivis #2 I think.

02:10 <Tank_Master> congrats ;)

02:10 <Tank_Master> btw

02:10 <zombie67> if you look at the zivis page, it talks about it

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02:11 <zombie67> I even got a few WUs from this new site

02:11 <Tank_Master> in our "new members", I posted a welcome for ya

02:11 <zombie67> hi yoyo

02:11 <Tank_Master> hiya yoyo!

02:11 <Tank_Master> is it that late again?

02:11 <zombie67> also AI is just about to go live

02:11 <zombie67>

02:12 <Romulus> <> (at

02:12 <Tank_Master> got that one

02:12 <yoyo[RKN]> morning it is

02:12 <zombie67> eeeeerlyu

02:12 <zombie67> morning

02:12 <zombie67> 8:12

02:12 <zombie67> not so early

02:12 <Tank_Master> zivis2 the only new project this month?

02:13 <zombie67> there was another that I am trying to recall

02:13 <zombie67> yoyo will be adding a second

02:13 <Tank_Master> I dont count those

02:13 <Tank_Master> same URL

02:13 <Tank_Master> same account

02:13 * yoyo[RKN] needs a coffee

02:13 <Tank_Master> just one?

02:13 <yoyo[RKN]> as starter

02:13 <Tank_Master> lol

02:15 <yoyo[RKN]> zombie67 : I send some new wus yesterday for the new application on windows

02:17 <zombie67> I have all my mac and win boxes crunching yoyo

02:17 <Tank_Master> funny, i dont ;)

02:17 <Tank_Master> moew are TSP/hydrogen or tsp/ABC/ABC beta

02:18 <Tank_Master> mine*

02:18 <efc> heh, my ancient cpu is a 0.13 m, and 45 nm is coming out now..

02:18 <zombie67> I have them all attached to all projects.  Just play with the resource share

02:18 <yoyo[RKN]> seti.germany leads the team list

02:18 <Tank_Master> for what?

02:18 <zombie67> for yoyo?

02:18 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

02:18 <Tank_Master> crap. we need to fix that ;)

02:19 <zombie67> I see.....

02:19 <zombie67> No fair, your team had a head start!

02:19 <zombie67> ;)

02:19 <Tank_Master> sorry

02:20 <zombie67> Do you remember me trying to join before it moved to the new site?

02:20 <zombie67> no, yoyo's team started early

02:20 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:22 <zombie67> Hah!  Team MacNN (mine is #9 with only 5 members!  And one member has 94% of that.  SETI.Germany has 76!

02:23 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

02:23 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:23 <Tank_Master> how meny do we have there?

02:23 <zombie67> 9

02:23 <Tank_Master> Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1 is out now

02:23 <Tank_Master>

02:23 <zombie67> more evenly distributed though

02:23 <Romulus> <> (at

02:24 <zombie67> #16

02:24 <Tank_Master> not to bad

02:25 <Tank_Master> did you not do BBC, zombie?

02:26 <zombie67> nope

02:26 <zombie67> CPDN, yes

02:26 <Tank_Master> well why not?

02:26 <Tank_Master> :)

02:26 <zombie67> at the time, I had only macs

02:26 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:26 <Tank_Master> good point

02:26 <zombie67> now closed

02:26 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:26 <Tank_Master> our team standing there are crap

02:26 <Tank_Master> 90th place

02:27 <zombie67> really just moved to CPDN

02:27 <Tank_Master> good credits in climate

02:28 <zombie67> we are 411 at bbc

02:29 <zombie67> 27 at cpdn

02:29 <Tank_Master> yeah, I missed BBC's ending, otherwise I would have had more

02:29 <zombie67> yoyo's team p0wns cpdn

02:30 <zombie67> wait

02:30 <zombie67> yoyo is not seti.germany!

02:30 <yoyo[RKN]> no

02:30 <zombie67> it's

02:30 <Tank_Master> lol

02:31 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

02:31 <yoyo[RKN]> we do not have so much powerfull crunchers

02:31 <yoyo[RKN]> #49 in boinc total

02:31 <zombie67> so you are #6 at your own project?

02:32 <zombie67> 54c members!

02:32 <zombie67> and yoyo = #11 in team @ yoyo

02:32 <zombie67> tsk tsk

02:33 <Tank_Master> man

02:33 <Tank_Master> thats your own project!

02:33 <zombie67> is your project server running boinc?  since it's niced ways down....

02:33 <yoyo[RKN]> no

02:34 <yoyo[RKN]> I need the server to create work and handle all incommin stuff

02:34 <zombie67> I have more credits than your top 10 added together.

02:34 <zombie67> ;)

02:34 <Tank_Master> lol

02:34 <yoyo[RKN]> you should join us ;)

02:34 <Tank_Master> no, you us

02:34 <zombie67> but since it runs such low priority, why can't boinc run too?

02:35 <yoyo[RKN]> my team decided not to do it

02:35 <zombie67> bah!

02:35 <Tank_Master> O.O!

02:35 <zombie67> is yoyo not the man ay yoyo?!

02:35 <zombie67> at

02:35 <zombie67> ;)

02:35 <zombie67> poke poke

02:36 <Tank_Master> yoyo is the one who complaind about yoyo not being on our list...

02:36 <yoyo[RKN]> hehe

02:36 <Romulus> the limited peak times to spit is like what 4.7GB

02:36 <yoyo[RKN]> think you added it

02:36 <yoyo[RKN]> just fight with evolution@home

02:36 <Tank_Master> not yet, take a bit

02:36 <Tank_Master> unless someone else did

02:37 <zombie67> ooo!

02:37 <zombie67> that reminds me

02:37 <Tank_Master> I submot the info to someone who cret the page, then he hands it off the the web admin to out i tthere

02:37 <zombie67> any chance to get individual sub-project stats like at primegrid?

02:37 <Tank_Master> and man am I gettin tiered

02:37 <zombie67> just flew in from NY

02:37 <Tank_Master> on our site?

02:37 <yoyo[RKN]> maybe later zombie67

02:37 <zombie67> cool

02:37 <Tank_Master> ah, n/m ;)

02:37 <yoyo[RKN]> first I need the base running

02:38 <zombie67> ok

02:38 <zombie67> projects with multiple sub-projects are cool, but users need to be able to see contributions to each

02:39 <Tank_Master> the top person on our team for yoyo did 11k this week

02:39 <Tank_Master> but I think he moved on tom something else

02:40 <zombie67> I did 17k

02:40 <Tank_Master> anywho, I really should get to bed

02:40 <Tank_Master> I did 23k

02:40 <Tank_Master> gn all ye all

02:40 <zombie67> PUNK

02:40 <zombie67> night!

02:40 <yoyo[RKN]> n8 Tank_Master

02:40 <yoyo[RKN]> hmmm, my coffee cup is empty

02:42 <zombie67> me too

02:42 <zombie67> yoyo, did you get your q answered?

02:42 <yoyo[RKN]> no

02:42 <yoyo[RKN]> but I found a solution

02:42 <zombie67> ask pov

02:42 <zombie67> cool

02:43 <zombie67> alright, talk to you later.  luck with your new project!

02:43 <yoyo[RKN]> thx

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03:12 <quail> g'evening all, how are we all peeps?

03:12 <Romulus> gnome is the one you cameras has got to find way to specify transparency... so leave uppercase there for 8 years, left for my blood boil when reading it after we talked this morning

03:14 <efc> hey quail

03:15 <quail> moo efc, how is the?

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03:38 <efc> doin ok..

03:41 <quail> :-)

03:43 <efc> one of these days i'm going to make good on my threat to build a motherboard

03:43 <efc> by then the parts probably won't exist

03:44 <efc> a 386 or 486

03:59 <blendtux-away> oke guys i have to reboot, but i am in the middle of crunching some burp wus

03:59 <blendtux-away> when i reboot, does it began at the beginning

03:59 <blendtux-away> or could a resume

03:59 <quail> depends on your setup

04:00 <blendtux-away> oh how do i know

04:00 <quail> what OS you using

04:00 <blendtux-away> i am using linux

04:02 <quail> manually installed or from a distro repository package

04:02 <blendtux-away> manuyally installed the latest version from the website

04:03 <blendtux-away> version 5.10.21 it seems

04:03 <quail> you will have to manually start it unless you have a init.d script to auto matically start it

04:04 <quail> or programmed it into the rc.local file

04:05 <blendtux-away> oke so when i stop the boinc manager and restart it again it wont start at the beginning, or do i have to set something

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04:06 <quail> it will continue from where it left off

04:07 <blendtux-away> oke and what happends if i dont make it for the report deadline

04:07 <blendtux-away> cause overhere at my slow machine its done 17 % in 7 hours

04:07 <quail> nothing you forfit that wu, hence no credit

04:07 <blendtux-away> and the deadline is tommorow at 5:22

04:08 <blendtux-away> so logical dictates i wont make it at that time

04:08 <quail> you just wasting time with the project your on

04:08 <blendtux-away> damm, i hoped i would make some credit,

04:09 <quail> what project you doing?

04:09 <blendtux-away> but i hope that these wus are smaller cpu wise so i could do it with this slow machine

04:09 <blendtux-away> burp

04:09 <blendtux-away>

04:09 <quail> ping PovAddict about the burp project

04:09 <Romulus> Title: Session gallery - Modified 139 timetest (at

04:09 <quail> he can inform you more about it

04:11 <blendtux-away> oke thanks

04:12 <quail> np

04:15 <blendtux-away> brb

04:16 <blendtux-away> need to reboot

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04:23 <CoderForLife> ugh

04:23 <CoderForLife> morning again

04:23 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:23 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 58.6F / 14.8C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4.7mph / 7.6km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers this morning... then showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight (2 more messages)

04:24 <CoderForLife> &more

04:24 <Romulus> CoderForLife: - A slight chance of thunderstorms in the evening. Showers. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds around 10 mph... becoming west 10 to 20 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Thanksgiving Day - Cloudy. A chance of rain showers in the morning...then a chance of snow showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. Temperature falling into the mid 30s in the afternoon. Northwest winds (1 more message)

04:24 <CoderForLife> &more

04:24 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.;

04:24 <CoderForLife> "here comes the rain again"

04:29 <quail> hey Mr Don, how are you mate?

04:33 <CoderForLife> hungry

04:33 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:42 <CoderForLife> b

04:44 <quail> wb

04:48 <CoderForLife> thx

04:51 <CoderForLife> four-day weekend coming - Thanksgiving Day tomorrow

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04:54 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:06 <CoderForLife> b

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05:12 <switchcat> wow I think boinc/WCG just caused a kernel panic on my system

05:13 <switchcat> (ubuntu 7.10)

05:15 <CoderForLife> it's possible

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05:18 <switchcat> I've been having a lot of freezes lately, and I'm concerned that this may be a symptom that Something Is Wrong(tm) with boinc currently. (Or perhaps with some sort of recent upgrades that 'broke' something between boinc and ubuntu..)

05:18 <switchcat> I hadnt seen a kernel panic before.

05:23 <CoderForLife> have you seen this problem, quail?

05:23 * CoderForLife reaches over to wake quail up

05:26 <CoderForLife> sometimes it's hard to wake these Aussies up

05:27 <CoderForLife> I must start getting ready for w@#% - Eastern time zone, ya know

05:28 <CoderForLife> I'll bb later - Happy Thanksgiving to whom it may concern

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05:43 <blendtux> PovAddict: you here

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06:10 <switchcat> ugh

06:13 <PriitM>

06:28 <hawmps> 'lo

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06:50 <hawmps>

06:50 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2007 November 21 - Expansive Comet Holmes (at

07:06 <blendtux> PovAddict: you here

07:06 <MTughan> PovAddict's still away, but I might be able to answer your question.

07:07 <MTughan> Just make it quick, I've got to leave in less than 10 minutes.

07:10 <blendtux> oke

07:10 <blendtux> i am doing work on burp

07:10 <blendtux> however my computer is very slow

07:10 <blendtux> the report date is tommorow morning at 6

07:10 <blendtux> i have done 1 % in 4 hours

07:11 <MTughan> Ouch...

07:11 <blendtux> so my guess i wont make the report deadline

07:11 <MTughan> Yeah, at that rate, it'll take about 400 hours.

07:11 <MTughan> &math convert 400 hours to days

07:11 <Romulus> MTughan: 16.6666666667

07:11 <MTughan> Yeah, you don't exactly have 17 days...

07:12 <blendtux> yeah, so that does not make sense to continue for me right

07:12 <blendtux> i am on a celeron 800 mhz with 256 of ram

07:12 <MTughan> Is it something slowing down your computer, or is it just an old, and slow computer...

07:12 <MTughan> Okay yeah, that's a slow computer. :P

07:13 <blendtux> so i dont understand they scanned my computer so burp know's i can't do the wu on time

07:13 <MTughan> You're probably fine to abort the WU, if the extra crunching of it will just be useless.

07:13 <MTughan> BURP doesn't discriminate computers. If you signed up for work, you'll get work.

07:14 <switchcat> what is burp?

07:14 <MTughan> I don't think any BOINC project discriminates computer...

07:14 <blendtux> yeah but the design should be more intelligent if you have a report deadline

07:14 <blendtux> it does not make sens to upload the date to me and then i wont make it

07:14 <MTughan> switchcat: Big Ugly Rendering Project

07:14 <Romulus> Title: BURP (at

07:14 <MTughan> Well, they haven't programmed it that way.

07:15 <blendtux> waste of mine cpu cycles and time for the burp project, cause they could upload to someone else instead

07:15 <MTughan> I agree with that.

07:15 <MTughan> Why not detach from the project?

07:15 <blendtux> ehm no i like that project :)

07:15 <blendtux> only need a faster computer lol

07:16 <MTughan> Projects are basically computer independent. You can have custom projects on each computer you have.

07:16 <blendtux> yeah but i need the credits so i can render my own projects

07:16 <MTughan> So if you detach from BURP on one computer, doesn't mean that a second machine will detach.

07:16 <MTughan> Oh...

07:17 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

07:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 32F / 0C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h ; Today - Cloudy. A chance of snow in the morning...then snow in the afternoon. Colder. New snow accumulation of 2 to 3 inches. High in the mid 30s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. North wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; (1 more message)

07:17 <wdsmia> &more

07:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: Tonight - Mostly cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Colder. Scattered flurries in the evening. Low in the lower 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Thanksgiving Day - Partly sunny. Scattered flurries in the afternoon. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Snow Advisory for Warren County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on November 21, 2007;

07:18 <switchcat> oh so it's a distributed computer graphics /rendering/raytracing project? to generate shorts, I guess..

07:18 <MTughan> Well, I've got to go. blendtux: Not sure, but I might be able to do something with my computer about that.

07:18 <hawmps> yuk...

07:18 <MTughan> switchcat: Not just shorts.

07:18 <MTughan> And it just uses Blender.

07:18 <blendtux> what do you mean MTughan

07:18 <MTughan> I have a few credits now. I might be able to get it rendered for you.

07:18 <blendtux> oh i see, that would be cool

07:19 <blendtux> well my project is not done yet, but i keep it in mind :) thanks :)

07:19 <MTughan> All right, I have to leave. Bye for now.

07:19 <blendtux> adios MTughan

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08:53 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin

08:53 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 41°F / 5°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 2:20 PM CET; Overcast. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Clear. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Rain. High:48 F. / 9 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:35 F. / 2 C.;

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09:14 <PriitM> &weather tallinn

09:14 <Romulus> PriitM: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 3:50 PM EET; Scattered Clouds. High:34 F. / 1 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:31 F. / -1 C.; Clear. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Overcast. Low:33 F. / 1 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F. / 3 C.;

09:16 <freelarry> humm where is tallinn

09:16 <freelarry> &google tallinn

09:16 <Romulus> freelarry: Search took 0.09 seconds: Tallinn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Tallinn: <>; Digital Tallinn - city guide of the Capital of Estonia: <>; Tallinn: <>; Welcome to Tallinn: <>; Tallinn travel guide - Wikitravel: (1 more message)

09:18 <PriitM> :P

09:18 <freelarry> estonia

09:19 <freelarry> looks interesting

09:19 <freelarry> nevr made it to europe

09:19 <PriitM> we got cheap alcohol here

09:19 <PriitM> russia has cheaper, but we got quite cheap too

09:19 <PriitM> lots of drunk finnish tourists

09:20 <PriitM> horroble traffic

09:20 <freelarry> lol - and if the docs hadn't said call the morque if i drank might be good ;)

09:20 <PriitM> :P

09:21 <freelarry> yah good incentive to stay sober and not use alcohal based products

09:21 <freelarry> gots enough things trying to make me visit morques as is

09:22 <PriitM> we also have true shithole parts here too

09:22 <wdsmia> asks PriitM to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

09:22 <freelarry> doug you in or just scripting?

09:22 <freelarry> response very fast

09:23 <PriitM> scripting

09:23 * freelarry dang censors

09:23 <PriitM> 7.00-7.34

09:23 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - rahaboss (at

09:23 <freelarry> humm wnder if he got the real bad word -- work

09:23 <PriitM> estonian alcoholics having a party =/

09:24 * freelarry grabs bar of pumice soap to scrub fingers

09:24 <PriitM> 1.50 is good too =/

09:25 <freelarry> guy at beginning looks a bit like me

09:25 <PriitM> they guy in t shirt?

09:26 <PriitM> the*

09:26 <freelarry> thinks so - hey the room looks like my comp room

09:26 <freelarry> entrance

09:27 <freelarry> nope the button down shirt

09:27 <PovAddict> blendtux: you don't need credits to send your own projects to render

09:27 <PriitM> after 7 min it gets fun :>

09:28 <blendtux> ehm i noticed that yesterday, cause my image got rendered, but i tought thats was because i am a new member in the burp project

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09:29 <PriitM> actually 6.30

09:29 <PriitM> you rarely see that kind of junk in your country? :P

09:32 <freelarry> couldn't understand a word PriitM but brings back a few memories

09:33 <freelarry> actually see a lot of it around here - watch the cops show

09:33 <PriitM> that was some kind of cops show aswell

09:33 <freelarry> noticed the beginning

09:34 <freelarry> well time to get the trash out or will miss the run

09:38 <freelarry> brr

09:38 <freelarry> &weather 98366

09:38 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 34F / 1C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.51in / 1033hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Patchy fog this morning. Highs in the mid and upper 40s. Light wind.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog late. Lows in the upper 20s to mid 30s. Northeast wind to 10 mph.; Thanksgiving Day - Sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs in the (1 more message)

09:38 <Romulus> think she really realizes what that is the only projects giving work or not using the maximum it could be a problem and i will change by 2 cylinders. Then, I should be so far no luck running run_boinc

09:38 <freelarry> &more

09:38 <Romulus> freelarry: mid and upper 40s. North wind to 10 mph.;

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09:39 <freelarry> humm grocery shopping day if feast tomorrow

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09:39 * freelarry mac and cheese -- check coffee -- check

09:39 <freelarry> all set

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09:40 <E-30> hey

09:40 <freelarry> morn E-30

09:40 <E-30> it night here 3pm

09:40 <E-30> well how are you doing

09:40 <freelarry> 630 am

09:40 <E-30> wow it morring there

09:41 <freelarry> getting things quieted down again - wife trying to change but will be a long term project

09:41 <E-30> mush be in the states

09:41 <freelarry> west coast

09:41 <E-30> yea

09:41 <E-30> well computer is doing good still

09:42 <freelarry> time to wake up the neighbors by working on walls in old comp room again

09:42 <freelarry> no new alarms as yet on this machine

09:42 <freelarry> surprised it didn't go into hibernation - maybe boinc running stopped it?

09:43 <E-30> maybe whos know

09:43 <E-30> what os is on it

09:43 <freelarry> xp pro

09:43 <freelarry> 32bit

09:44 <E-30> same here

09:44 <E-30> it does stop it

09:44 <freelarry> ahh

09:44 <freelarry> so will have to remember to manually hibernate the machine then

09:44 <E-30> yea

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09:48 <BadBarbarian> morning

09:48 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

09:48 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 21.7F / -5.7C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 23.68in / 801.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cooler. Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs 49 to 55. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 19 to 29. Light winds.; Thanksgiving Day - Partly cloudy in the morning...mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of (1 more message)

09:48 <BadBarbarian> &more

09:48 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: rain and snow showers in the afternoon. No snow accumulation. Snow level 8000 feet. Highs 47 to 53. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph late in the afternoon.;

09:49 <E-30> morring

09:54 <E-30> wow hes out again

10:00 <hawmps> 'lo

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10:39 <BadBarbarian> 'lo hawmps

10:47 <PovAddict> 191198.74 credits

10:52 <hawmps> hi

11:05 <yoyo[RKN]> 2 sample_assimilator seems not to work

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11:34 <zombie67> ABC Beta did it *again*.....grrrr

11:41 <zombie67> bbl

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11:59 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023\

12:00 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 37F / 3C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h ; Today - Cooler. Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 45 on the North Rim to around 63 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 18 on the North Rim to around 33 along the Colorado River. (1 more message)

12:00 <BadBarbarian> &more

12:00 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Light winds.; Thanksgiving Day - Partly cloudy. Highs around 43 on the North Rim to around 65 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

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12:21 <E-30> ok i am back now

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12:31 <BadBarbarian> Happy Thanksgiving Everyone

12:31 <PovAddict> meh

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13:08 <PovAddict> &math calc 173093696 / 1771189891

13:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: 0.0977273509066

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13:38 <wdsmia_> Its starting to get nasty out there

13:38 <wdsmia_> &weather 50265

13:38 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 28F / -2C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h ; Rest of Today - Snow...colder. New snow accumulation of 2 to 3 inches. High in the lower 30s. North wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Colder. Scattered flurries in the (1 more message)

13:38 <wdsmia_> &more

13:38 <Romulus> wdsmia_: evening. Low in the lower 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Thanksgiving Day - Partly sunny. Scattered flurries in the afternoon. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Snow Advisory for Warren County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on November 21, 2007;

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14:18 <zombie67> povaddict:  you there?

14:18 <PovAddict> yeah

14:18 <zombie67> SIMAP still has a *buttload* of work

14:19 <PovAddict> exactly...

14:19 <zombie67> I doubt it will be finished off before the next monthly cycle

14:19 <PovAddict> that's what I'm trying to avoid ;)

14:20 <zombie67> this month, I started at 367k, currently at 510k

14:20 <zombie67> so I already did 143k

14:21 <PovAddict> I'm doing some tests with SETI stats files...

14:21 <PovAddict> anything takes ages

14:21 <PovAddict> it's 1.7GB of XML

14:21 <zombie67> wow

14:21 <PovAddict> I'm processing only a few thousand hosts per second...

14:21 <zombie67> that is a 39% increase for me just this month

14:22 <zombie67> my goal going forward is 100k/cycle

14:22 <PovAddict> I didn't get more than 1000/sec using a "real" XML parser, so now I'm processing it line-by-line

14:23 <zombie67> sounds painful

14:23 <PovAddict> Hosts processed: 893250

14:23 <PovAddict> after 5m 18s of CPU time

14:24 <PovAddict> &math calc 979796 / (5*60+52)

14:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2783.51136364

14:24 <zombie67> you need a better machine

14:24 <PovAddict> 2783 hosts per second

14:24 <PovAddict> no, I should write this in C or something :P but I cba, just testing...

14:25 <zombie67> big old hussy fit on the team founder group

14:27 <zombie67> hussy -> hissy fit

14:29 <zombie67> I whish this page (for any project) also had the little yellow icon, denoting new messages since my last visit.

14:29 <Romulus> Title: IMP@Home Message boards (at

14:30 <zombie67> currently, I have to look at the time of the last post, and make a judgement call for each sub forum

14:30 <PovAddict> boincstats has it but it's an ugly hack that doesn't work quite right (rytis told me)

14:30 <PovAddict> I just middle click the ones with lower last post count

14:31 <zombie67> too time consuming with looking at over 60 site forums at a shot

14:31 <zombie67> need something quick and visual

14:31 <PovAddict> like clicking "get new messages" on your newsreader? ;)

14:32 <zombie67> yes!

14:32 <zombie67> that would be even better, of course

14:32 <PovAddict>

14:32 <Romulus> <> (at

14:32 <zombie67> especially with several thousand new team forums baing added.....

14:33 <zombie67> yep.  It's coming down

14:33 <zombie67> comparing to seti is wrong, since they use flop counting

14:33 <zombie67> should compare to something like TLP

14:33 <zombie67> or tankpaku

14:34 <PovAddict> seti is wrong then

14:34 <zombie67> yeah, but everyone uses it as the standard

14:35 <zombie67> I wonder if the stats for TSP were somehow being rounded up, when the WUs were being awarded only fractional credits?

14:36 <PovAddict> the exported stats have all the decimals

14:36 <zombie67> it is not like overclaiming works, unless you get lucky, and paired up with another

14:36 <zombie67> hmmmm

14:36 <PovAddict> <total_credit>10679.541961</total_credit>

14:36 <zombie67> and my over-all RAC did NOT go up when I was heavily crunching TSP

14:36 <zombie67> infact, it dropped

14:37 <zombie67> so *I* was not getting any extra credits.

14:37 <PovAddict> overall RAC as shown on boincstats?

14:37 <zombie67> yes

14:37 <PovAddict> after they had added TSP? :P

14:37 <zombie67> right

14:38 <zombie67>

14:38 <Romulus> <> (at

14:38 <zombie67> look at the daily chart

14:38 <zombie67> bobs betweek 20k and 40k

14:38 <PovAddict> <- o_O

14:38 <Romulus> <> (at

14:39 <zombie67> the big spikes were due to cosmo & milky way having export problems over the past couple weeks

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14:40 <zombie67> bbl

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14:50 <mweltin> anyone here I have a real problem

14:50 <PovAddict> hi

14:50 <PovAddict> planning to edit the news? :P

14:50 <mweltin> Hey Pov or should I say Nicholas?

14:50 <PovAddict> no 'h'

14:51 <mweltin> no I got a email from from pipin, and he says his team name has been stolen by some guy.

14:51 <PovAddict> MTughan: He thought PovAddict and Nicolas Alvarez were different people.

14:51 <PovAddict> MTughan: And he just about killed himself laughing.

14:52 <PovAddict> team name stolen?

14:52 <mweltin> I sent an email to Molf (the accused) asking him to change the name.

14:52 <mweltin> yeah I'll drop the message in pastebin

14:54 <mweltin>

14:54 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

14:54 <PovAddict> &math calc (100648-100428)+(111182-68937)+(58787)+(60904-2)+(35600)

14:54 <Romulus> PovAddict: 197754

14:55 <mweltin> I sent him a letter saying I would ask Molf to change his team name.  The are both german, and have no computers attached to my project.

14:55 <PovAddict> both have no comps?

14:56 <mweltin> yup

14:56 <PovAddict> I'm doing some "experiments" with seti stats

14:56 <PovAddict> it's 1.7GB of XML (!)

14:56 <mweltin> LOL

14:56 <PovAddict> 240MB gzipped

14:57 <PovAddict> bzip2 got it to 165MB

14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> &math calc 12431 / 3600

14:57 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 3.45305555556

14:57 <PovAddict> I made a PHP script to parse the XML with XMLReader and convert it to another format, and could do only 1000 hosts per second (out of 1.5 million)...

14:58 <PovAddict> now I managed 2200 per second

14:58 <PovAddict> still takes over 10 minutes to process the whole file

14:58 <mweltin> wow

14:58 <PovAddict> XML is an abuse for that...

14:59 <yoyo[RKN]> if you want it nice use XML. if you want it fast don't use XML.

14:59 <PovAddict> it's also BIG

14:59 <mweltin> we all know my thoughts on XML

15:00 <PovAddict> 1.64GB in XML, I converted it to bencode format (the same .torrent files use): 1.14GB

15:00 <PovAddict> but compressing both ends up with the bencoded one slightly *bigger*

15:00 <mweltin> but what about this team thing, I was going to mail the project list but it doesn't seem liek the right place.

15:00 <PriitM> :D

15:00 <Romulus> <$> (at

15:01 <PovAddict> mweltin: if you think he deserves to get his team back, you can change it manually

15:01 <PovAddict> 1.07GB! storing integers differently

15:02 <mweltin> Well how do I find out who is the real owner?  Suppose Molf writes back and says he is the real owner of the team?

15:02 <PovAddict> check who's the founder of that team on other projects?

15:03 <yoyo[RKN]> how long can a wu name be?

15:03 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: from a technical standpoint, I think 256 chars

15:03 <mweltin> yoyo[RKN], long, I would guess it depends on the platform but 255 is a good gess.

15:04 <PovAddict> but users won't like too long ones

15:04 <PovAddict> hmm actually, less

15:04 <yoyo[RKN]> I'm now at 85 characters

15:04 <PovAddict> the result name is the wu name plus an underscore plus the result number, so add two or three bytes there

15:04 <PovAddict> output filenames are the result name plus an underscore plus the output file number, so add two or three bytes there

15:05 <PovAddict> think about filesystems

15:05 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: paste a sample of one of those names

15:05 <yoyo[RKN]> evo_439KB_2.21_1929724837_5000_10_0.1_-0.0001_0_0.0001_-5e-07_0_500_1000000_3_0

15:06 <PovAddict> think about filesystems... will the user's computer handle the following path?

15:06 <PovAddict> C:\Program files\BOINC\projects\www.rechenkraft.net_yoyo\evo_439KB_2.21_1929724837_5000_10_0.1_-0.0001_0_0.0001_-5e-07_0_500_1000000_3_0_0

15:06 <mweltin> nice name

15:07 <TM-Work> MW!

15:07 <mweltin> you can always get a tinny url for it.

15:07 <mweltin> Tank_Master!

15:07 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

15:07 <PovAddict> mweltin: of a local file? nope

15:07 <TM-Work> im off for vacation now

15:07 <TM-Work> (thx giving in the states)

15:08 <TM-Work> so ill c-ya guys next weekend

15:08 <mweltin> it's only Wednesday

15:10 <mweltin> PovAddict, just double check, in the validator, a non zero return value for init_result makes it an invalid result correct?

15:11 <PovAddict> correct

15:11 <mweltin> Some of my workunits are coming back with an empty distance or best path field.

15:11 <mweltin> ok

15:11 <mweltin> Someone just posted that they have a best path but the result was invalid, because the previous two results had no bestPath.

15:12 <PovAddict> oh bad

15:12 <PovAddict> you should really mark it as invalid immediately if it has no bestPath, without comparison

15:12 <PovAddict> do all the sanity checks you can on the init_result

15:12 <mweltin> yes, that is the change I'm making now.

15:15 <mweltin> will do

15:23 <mweltin> can I add custom error codes to my validator, that get reported in the tsp_ops section.

15:23 <PovAddict> there are quite a bit of numbers that aren't 0 :)

15:24 <mweltin> yeah, the error messag shows up in the results page.

15:25 <mweltin> I'd like to map custom numbers to custom error messages that show up on in the ops pages.

15:25 <PovAddict> ah, you probably need to edit that PHP script to show the appropriate messages

15:25 <mweltin> is there a global php error message page?

15:26 <PovAddict> I don't think so

15:26 <mweltin> ok

15:26 <mweltin> I'll checkit out

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15:29 <QrX> Plop

15:37 <PovAddict> &math convert 256MB to bytes

15:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 256MB is not a valid unit.

15:38 <PovAddict> &math convert 256 MiB to bytes

15:38 <Romulus> PovAddict: 268435456

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16:00 <BadBarbarian> &math convert 1 gigabyte to bytes

16:00 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 1000000000

16:00 <QrX> lol

16:00 <PovAddict> &math convert 1 gibibyte to bytes

16:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1073741824

16:05 <mweltin> PovAddict, db_ops has a function called outcome_string, this holds all the error messages.

16:06 <mweltin> I updated my validator to produce unique return values, and updated that function I'm going to see if that works.

16:09 <mweltin> ok that didn't work but I'm finding a lot more errors than I should

16:11 <mweltin> crap

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16:54 <mweltin> CRAP!  the call the genNext Perm is in the wrong place

16:54 <mweltin> tsp 2.11

16:54 <mweltin> here we go

17:00 <yoyo[RKN]> hehe

17:00 <yoyo[RKN]> I created some evo's

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17:02 <mweltin> good for you waht is an evo?

17:02 <yoyo[RKN]> a second application for yoyo@home

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17:04 <PovAddict> evo

17:04 <PovAddict> -lution

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17:08 <mweltin> PovAddict,  good call on the error checking.  Found a huge error in the code for the BF algorithm.

17:09 <mweltin> the call for the next permutation of cities was outside the for loop that did all the work.

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17:09 <Romulus> WB, Boss

17:13 <mweltin> yoyo are you going to allow people to pick which app they want ?

17:14 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

17:14 <mweltin> nice let me know if you run into problems, that will be a step I take soon as well.

17:14 <yoyo[RKN]> no probs there

17:15 <mweltin> ok bye for now guys

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17:21 <wdsmia-work> well almost time to go play bumper cars...bbiab

17:21 <CoderForLife> greetings to all silicon and carbon based life forms

17:22 <PovAddict> wdsmia-work: you mean drive back home?

17:22 <wdsmia-work> Hi Don...  Bye Don

17:22 <CoderForLife> hi-bye

17:22 <PovAddict> hi CFL

17:22 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict =)

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17:23 <PovAddict> been doing some experiments with seti stats...

17:23 <PovAddict> what an abuse of XML

17:23 <CoderForLife> lol

17:23 <PovAddict> 1.7 gigs of XML

17:23 <CoderForLife> ouch

17:23 <CoderForLife> gross abuse of a data file

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17:23 <PovAddict> I made a php script to convert it to another format, took 10 minutes

17:23 <CoderForLife> must be some kinda law against that...

17:24 <CoderForLife> Script to the rescue!

17:24 <PovAddict> now I imported it to a SQLite database... I have no idea how much time it took, but the .db file is two gigs

17:24 <PovAddict> I think it would be faster now to create other formats from the db instead of from the original xml

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17:52 <PovAddict> heh

17:52 <PovAddict> I can reduce SETI stats by like 30MB

17:53 <PovAddict> get this... there are 1650000 hosts

17:53 <PovAddict> the stats have the full OS name for all

17:53 <PovAddict> if you filter duplicates, you end up with 35 OS names

17:53 <wdsmia> back

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18:02 <xcamel> re-hi

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18:21 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

18:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 29F / -2C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Snow. New snow accumulation around 1 inch. North wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered light snow showers in the evening. Total snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches. Low in the lower 20s. (1 more message)

18:21 <wdsmia> &more

18:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Northwest wind around 15 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Thanksgiving Day - Partly sunny. Scattered flurries. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Snow Advisory for Warren County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on November 21, 2007;

18:28 <xcamel> a bit nippy

18:30 <wdsmia> just a bit

18:31 <xcamel> a warm 44 here

18:37 <xcamel> ATL is still the crossroads of the worlds worst colds...

18:58 <xcamel> poof night

18:59 <xcamel> &weather 12074

18:59 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 41.7F / 5.4C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with scattered showers. Lows in the mid 40s. South winds around 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Thanksgiving Day - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers in the morning...then numerous showers in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. (1 more message)

18:59 <xcamel> &more

18:59 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature falling into the upper 40s in the afternoon. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Thursday Night - A chance of rain showers in the evening. Partly cloudy with a chance of snow showers. Much cooler with lows in the mid 20s. West winds around 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.;

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19:04 <CoderForLife> welcome back xcamel

19:04 <Romulus> just found out a city wide blackout and over

19:05 <CoderForLife> off for the evening - Happy Thanksgiving

19:05 <xcamel> Hi Don

19:05 <CoderForLife> hey Jay

19:06 <xcamel> not glad to be back though

19:06 <CoderForLife> glad you're back - hope things went well

19:06 <xcamel> too well - it was sunny and warm the whole time

19:06 <CoderForLife> probelms? or went very well?

19:06 <CoderForLife> sounds great

19:06 <xcamel> should have stayed...

19:06 <xcamel> a few more weeks

19:07 <CoderForLife> lol   welcome back to The Real World, Neo

19:07 <PovAddict> lol

19:07 <xcamel> now fighting a nasty chest cold

19:07 <CoderForLife> oh, ungood

19:07 <xcamel> zactly

19:08 <xcamel> and to thing I was soo relaxed and rested...

19:09 <xcamel> and to think I was soo relaxed and rested even

19:12 <CoderForLife> soon you'll lose that silly vacation smile, regrettably

19:12 <xcamel> that left when the congestion hit

19:13 <xcamel> good pics up now

19:13 <xcamel>

19:13 <xcamel> some good Baja 1000 pics

19:14 <CoderForLife> excellent - I'll check them out tomorrow

19:14 <xcamel> this one is for PoV:

19:14 <CoderForLife> off 4 tuna nite

19:14 <Romulus> <> (at

19:14 <CoderForLife> cya folks - glad you made it home safe, xcamel

19:14 <PovAddict> eek

19:15 <PovAddict> seth will like it too (not)

19:15 * CoderForLife slides out

19:15 <PovAddict> bye CoderForLife

19:16 <xcamel> nice tarantula that dropped by...

19:16 <xcamel> harmless kind..

19:25 <wdsmia> eight legged mexican mosquito

19:25 <PovAddict> lol

19:33 <xcamel> hehehe

19:40 <wdsmia> photo 34 makes a nice desktop background... im going to steal it from you Jay

19:43 <xcamel> "North El Cerrito Beach"

19:44 <wdsmia> wish I was there, looks warm

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19:46 <xcamel> it was..

19:47 <QrX> MThugan u there ?

19:49 <PovAddict> no he's not

19:50 <QrX> seems :p

20:00 <QrX> pov do you know Python ?

20:00 <PovAddict> no

20:00 <QrX> k

20:00 <QrX> and C ?

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20:57 <wdsmia> &quiet

20:57 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers

20:57 <Romulus> its not the greatest in the computer is idle or not.

20:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

20:59 *** wdsmia changes topic to "BOINC | stats & logs: Versions: all dev: 5.10.30 windows, Windows x64, 5.10.30 osx/darwin, 5.10.28 *nix/32/64 | Romulus (&) is the idiot channel bot"

20:59 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia

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21:06 <xcamel> re-hi

21:06 <wdsmia> re-*lo

21:06 <xcamel> wazzamatyta?

21:08 <wdsmia> ?

21:09 <Soul_keeper> WTF ?

21:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

21:09 *** xcamel changes topic to "BOINC | stats & logs: Versions: all dev: 5.10.30 windows, Windows x64, 5.10.30 osx/darwin, 5.10.28 *nix/32/64 | Romulus (&) is the channel bot"

21:10 <Soul_keeper> boinc versions come out faster than windows viruses i swear ...

21:10 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel

21:10 <PovAddict> boinc forum bugs and their hack^H^H^H^H fixes come even faster

21:11 <wdsmia> your no fun Jay :p

21:11 <Soul_keeper> i got a question for ya

21:11 <Soul_keeper> what's better

21:11 <Soul_keeper>

21:11 <Romulus> <> (at

21:11 <Soul_keeper> or

21:12 <Soul_keeper>

21:12 <Romulus> <> (at

21:12 <Romulus> tries to report the workunit list there, with one hand

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21:12 <PovAddict> cellphones are nothing but little money-wasting machines

21:12 <Soul_keeper> not a cellphone

21:12 <Soul_keeper> a full x86

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21:13 <PovAddict> I never said I was replying to you, but ok

21:13 <PovAddict> the pictures make them look hawt

21:14 <wdsmia> wrong button :-{

21:14 <Soul_keeper> hmmmm

21:14 <Soul_keeper> so much for that conversation ...

21:14 <PovAddict> I dunno

21:14 <xcamel> 'lo SK

21:14 <PovAddict> I don't think I would buy one

21:16 <Soul_keeper> buy one what ?

21:17 <Soul_keeper> i've just been looking for something sub 2lbs, with full keyboard, x86, for like 200-800 bucks

21:17 <Soul_keeper> so i can hookup portable wireless broadband and use the internet on the road

21:23 <wdsmia> take wdsmia's advice can the cell phone and the pda and see what life is like without the web

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21:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm not interested in cell phones or pda's

21:39 <Soul_keeper> it's all about umpc's for me

21:43 <wdsmia> the matrix clams another lol

21:47 <Soul_keeper> w00t ut3 is out

21:49 <xcamel> ut3 any good?

21:49 <xcamel> ut(1) was the best of all

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21:55 <MTughan> I like starting BOINC right after I come in from the cold... My laptop's a cool 19C when I start it up. ;)

21:55 <MTughan> And the case is still nice and cool. :P

21:59 <xcamel> 'lo Mt

21:59 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

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22:00 <xcamel> time to wander off though...

22:00 <MTughan> Bye Jay.

22:00 <MTughan> :P

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22:01 <wdsmia> *lo MT

22:01 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

22:02 <wdsmia> so how is Michael tonight

22:03 <MTughan> Pretty good. Doing more crunching, have an 8h WU due in 6 days. :P

22:03 <wdsmia> lol

22:06 * wdsmia thinks 6 days = 100k in credit

22:06 <MTughan> I plan to be done way before then.

22:08 <wdsmia> it sucks to have a large wu and miss the deadline by a hr

22:08 <MTughan> No kiddin'...

22:12 <wdsmia> been there, seen it, have the t-shirt, sold the movie rights

22:12 <MTughan> lol

22:12 <PovAddict> faster to type btdtgtts

22:13 <PovAddict> &google btdtgtts

22:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.32 seconds: BTDTGTTS - What does BTDTGTTS stand for? Acronyms and ...: <>; Abbreviations and acronyms from Acronym Finder: What does BTDTGTTS ...: <>; This will soon be the new home of the domain btdtgtts .com: <>; BTDTGTTS - Wikipedia, the free (2 more messages)

22:13 <MTughan> Been there, done that...

22:13 <MTughan> What's the rest?

22:13 <PovAddict> got the t-shirt

22:13 <wdsmia> faster is not allways better PovAddict

22:14 <PovAddict> say that to people running optimized boinc apps

22:16 <wdsmia> I did back when the  optimized boinc apps were erroring out 90% of the time... there much better now

22:21 <wdsmia> I also remember when boinc manager reached 2MB in size and everone screamed blotware

22:21 <MTughan> lol

22:21 <MTughan> That would've been a while ago...

22:21 <MTughan> Oldie!

22:22 <PovAddict> it's 4MB here

22:22 <wdsmia> your point being?

22:24 <wdsmia> DA loves to try to make things idot proof....

22:24 <PovAddict> there's always a better idiot tho

22:25 <wdsmia> Rommie grab that line lol

22:32 <wdsmia> @MTughan... yes I am a old grumpy sob!

22:32 <MTughan> lol

22:41 <MTughan> There we go.. Broke the top 50 on TSP. :P

22:42 <MTughan> 49 in RAC, 55 in total cred.

22:42 <wdsmia> rofl

22:42 <MTughan> Hey, this is one dual-core machine.

22:43 <MTughan> I don't exactly have the resources that you or zombie67 have.

22:44 <MTughan> Hehe... I should get the computers at my school on BOINC. That would add about 130 min 2.8GHz P4s to my account...

22:44 <PovAddict> how good is the network security there?

22:44 <MTughan> Pretty good. Why?

22:44 <PovAddict> are there IT managers with brains?

22:44 <wdsmia> its not you or your machine its the project your crunching

22:44 <MTughan> Yes.

22:45 <PovAddict> then you should ask first :)

22:45 <MTughan> wdsmia: True, but you need machines to crunch first.

22:45 <MTughan> PovAddict: That, and the machine wipes itself with an image on startup.

22:45 <PovAddict> :-\

22:46 <MTughan> Hey, you unleash 450 teenagers on 130 computers, and things are bound to happen.

22:46 <PovAddict> they take the fun away lol

22:47 <wdsmia> wait till they find how to edit the boot track then the fun begins lol

22:47 <MTughan> How?

22:51 <wdsmia> lets just say that I remember one person that everytime he would reboot his computer it would scroll F#$^ you blondo

22:51 <MTughan> lol

22:52 <MTughan> Ouch... How about a 6h BURP WU due tomorrow at 7AM?

22:52 <Romulus> we're in the server he hosts it on P2P... he says you're going to hath to work

22:52 <MTughan> It's going to get done, it's just going to be close.

22:53 <wdsmia> Burp messed up the return time on this batch

22:53 <MTughan> And because I'm running the VM, I'm in a memory crunch, especially since Camino decided it needed 300MB RAM of its own.

22:54 <MTughan> Gah... Well, that works. Computation error. >_>

22:54 <wdsmia> lol

22:57 <MTughan> There. Not exactly the cleanest way to restart a browser, but at least I keep my tabs.

22:57 <MTughan> Kill the process.

22:57 <MTughan> Camino detects that it didn't shut down properly, and offers to reopen the open tabs.

22:58 <MTughan> Freed about 170MB of RAM.

23:00 * wdsmia processes another SA wu... three to one

23:02 <quail> afternoon all

23:02 <MTughan> 'lo quail

23:03 <quail> hows things?

23:03 <wdsmia> *lo q

23:03 <quail> hey Doug, hows things?

23:03 <wdsmia> snowie and cold here

23:05 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

23:05 <quail> fire time there to keep warm :-)

23:05 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 28F / -2C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered light snow showers in the evening. Colder. Low in the lower 20s. Northwest wind around 15 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Thanksgiving Day - Partly sunny. Scattered flurries. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 5 (1 more message)

23:05 <wdsmia> &more

23:05 <Romulus> wdsmia: to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Low 15 to 20. West wind around 5 mph.;

23:05 <quail> happy thanks giving to you all in the USA

23:05 <wdsmia> ty

23:06 <quail> :-)

23:06 <wdsmia> nice to have 2 days off

23:08 <PovAddict> bed ->

23:09 <wdsmia> cya Pov

23:09 <quail> wdsmia: nice are you having turkey and all the stuffings?

23:09 <MTughan> Bye.

23:09 <quail> night night PovAddict

23:09 <MTughan> I'm off to bed too. Gotta get up early.

23:10 <wdsmia> well yes im having turkey... if what is in a tv dinner can be called turkey

23:15 <quail> night night MTughan

23:16 <quail> wdsmia: you not spending thanks giving with your family?

23:18 <wdsmia> family is 10 hours driving time away in (good weather)

23:18 <Romulus> first "real" storm since all the grass to wet for snow here tomorrow - 2 of them

23:26 <quail> wdsmia: oh, sorry to hear you goin to be allow for thanks giving

23:27 <quail> s/allow/alone

23:29 <wdsmia> alone... not with the zoo i have here lol

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23:39 <wdsmia> *lo e

23:43 <efc> Hey

23:43 <wdsmia> well time to enjoy the fire in the fire place for a few before bed...cya all tomarrow

23:45 <efc> Night

23:57 <quail> night night wdsmia

23:57 <quail> moo efc

23:57 <efc> moo

23:57 <quail> happy thanks giving efc

23:58 <efc> Thanks

23:59 <efc> I'm trying to conjur up a semi realistic galaxy full of stars.. need to find some info on the distributions of brightness

23:59 <Romulus> "Sir, have you gotten ahold of crunch3r yet?

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