IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2007-11-22

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00:11 <mweltin> &weather 96799

00:11 <Romulus> mweltin: Temperature: 72F / 22C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h ; Today - Occasional showers with isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 80s. Variable winds 10 mph...with higher gusts in showers.; Tonight and Thursday - Scattered showers with isolated thunderstorms. Lows near 80. High near 90. Variable winds 10 (1 more message)

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01:06 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

01:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 61.5F / 16.4C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1001.9hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 9.2mph / 14.8km/h ; Tonight - Widespread showers until early morning...then a chance of showers late. Isolated thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 30s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Thanksgiving Day - Mostly (1 more message)

01:06 <CoderForLife> &more

01:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: cloudy. A slight chance of rain and snow showers. Much cooler. Near steady temperature in the upper 30s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow showers... mainly until midnight. Cooler with lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.;

01:07 <CoderForLife> Hello Old Man Winter

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01:08 <CoderForLife> 'evening BAK

01:08 <BiteAbleKat> evening coderforlife

01:09 <CoderForLife> I couldn't sleep - sitting here listening to the wind in the trees outside

01:10 <CoderForLife> watching the weather radar

01:11 <CoderForLife> kinda peaceful, actually

01:11 <efc> hey CFL, BAK

01:11 <CoderForLife> good morning efc

01:13 * CoderForLife hears the train at the crossing off in the distance

01:15 <BiteAbleKat>

01:15 <Romulus> <> (at

01:15 <BiteAbleKat> tis the season

01:15 <BiteAbleKat> lol

01:15 <BiteAbleKat> heya efc

01:17 <BiteAbleKat> this is an EXCELLENT video:-

01:17 <Romulus> <> (at

01:17 <CoderForLife> lol  "polysorbate 60"

01:17 <BiteAbleKat> yummm

01:17 <BiteAbleKat> lol

01:17 <quail> CoderForLife: hi Don, Happy Thanks Giving :-)

01:18 <CoderForLife> is it a desert topping or a floor wax?

01:18 <CoderForLife> dessert

01:18 <CoderForLife> whatever

01:18 <CoderForLife> hello quail - thanks

01:19 <quail> how are you?

01:19 <CoderForLife> I'm not sure - couldn't sleep

01:19 <quail> :-(

01:19 <CoderForLife> I'm waiting for unconsciousness to overwhelm me, ATM

01:20 <CoderForLife> so far, it's losing

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01:21 <yoyo[RKN]> morning

01:21 <CoderForLife> morning yy

01:22 <quail> afternoon yoyo[RKN]

01:23 <quail> CoderForLife: remember to save me some turkey and the stuffings please :-P

01:24 <CoderForLife> small turkey, no stuffing

01:24 <Romulus> but it was only if a Java app

01:24 <CoderForLife> put I'll set a plate out for you

01:24 <quail> thanks mate :-P

01:30 <CoderForLife> brb  beverage for the wee hours

01:35 <CoderForLife> b

01:36 <quail> wb

01:36 <CoderForLife> thx

01:36 * CoderForLife hears another train in the distance

01:37 <CoderForLife> I wonder how those folks down in the river valley sleep at night

01:37 <CoderForLife> that's the 2nd train in 24 minutes

01:42 * CoderForLife continues to listen to the wind, and watch the approaching rain on radar

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01:52 * quail is back with a bowl of thia noodle soup :-)

01:54 <CoderForLife> seems like maybe I could try the bed again

01:54 <CoderForLife> cya later

01:55 <quail> night night Don

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02:01 <BadBarbarian> evening all

02:01 <yoyo[RKN]> morning

02:01 <mweltin> hey

02:02 <BadBarbarian> lol 12.00 pm here

02:02 <yoyo[RKN]> <--- 8am

02:03 <BadBarbarian> lol

02:03 <mweltin> 8:30 pm here

02:04 <BadBarbarian> lol  very late at night here

02:06 <quail> afternoon BadBarbarian

02:07 <quail> happy thanks giving BadBarbarian

02:08 <BadBarbarian> thanx quail

02:09 <BadBarbarian> you too

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02:17 <quail> BadBarbarian: thanks, but we don't have thanks giving here

02:19 <BadBarbarian> sorry for you lol

02:20 <BadBarbarian> been drinking rum with friends

02:21 <BadBarbarian> lol i am drunk

02:24 <BadBarbarian> night all

02:24 <mweltin> later

02:33 <freelarry> humm no turkey but a very large roast for tomorrow

02:34 <freelarry> 2 pots of coffee some yams corn pretty well set

02:34 <yoyo[RKN]> oh

02:35 <yoyo[RKN]> <--- breakfast

02:35 <freelarry> yeah starting in 5 hrs and lasting all day

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03:28 <E-30> well i am up now

03:29 <quail> evening E-30

03:30 <CoderForLife> awake again

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03:31 <E-30> yea

03:31 <E-30> i went to sleep at 7 pm last night

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03:31 <CoderForLife> ouch

03:31 <quail> wb Don

03:32 <CoderForLife> that hurt - whatever that was

03:34 <E-30> oh well i need it

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03:41 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast I guess

03:42 <CoderForLife> what a rough night

03:42 <E-30> lol

03:42 <Romulus> (btw - do you see Rommie;s comment on that firewall

03:42 <efc> moo

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03:43 <E-30> moo back

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03:45 <sethy> moo

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03:46 <sethy> teh afk :D

03:46 <sethy> ;_;

03:46 <sethy> also lag

03:49 <E-30> lag what kind of lag

03:50 <CoderForLife> back

03:50 <E-30> oh

03:50 * CoderForLife is pretty confused

03:51 * E-30 is wtf is going now now

03:55 <quail> nothing absolutly nothing

03:56 <sethy> :o

03:57 <sethy> i has to make programs using arrays and and

03:57 <sethy> 1.Write a program that automatically stores three strings (1. Nantwhich, 2. Kings Cross, and 3. Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch).

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03:57 <sethy> ;_;

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03:58 <sethy> 'lo CoderForLife

03:59 <sethy> >:o

04:00 <sethy> dev-cpp crashed on me

04:01 <CoderForLife> hello sethy

04:01 <quail> evening sethy

04:01 <sethy> hi

04:01 <sethy> dale and don

04:01 <sethy> don and dale

04:01 <quail> :-)

04:01 <CoderForLife> dungeons and dragons

04:02 <sethy> dragons and dungeons

04:02 <sethy> had parent evening lastnight

04:02 <sethy> heared the unexpected

04:02 <CoderForLife> today will be a long sleepy day

04:02 <sethy> yeay

04:03 <CoderForLife> I've already gotten up twice

04:03 <sethy> i got to sleep at 2:00 and had to get up at 7 D:

04:05 <sethy> my tutor says i have the knoledge to be a better programmer than him, and he's been doing it for 20 years

04:05 <sethy> i was like

04:05 <sethy> O.O

04:05 <CoderForLife> wow that's great

04:05 <CoderForLife> you do know a lot

04:06 <sethy> i dont though

04:06 <sethy> i dont think i do anyway

04:06 <sethy> i lack inteligence

04:06 <sethy> hence TFFE

04:06 <CoderForLife> oh - I guess I'm wrong

04:06 <sethy> but thats my opinion

04:06 <sethy> and thats yours

04:06 <sethy> so nobody is wrong

04:07 <CoderForLife> here I was going around thinking that you knew a lot

04:07 <sethy> and also i'm apparently wise beyond my years, which is scary

04:07 * CoderForLife slaps himself

04:07 * sethy helps

04:08 * CoderForLife wonders what to do today, and what's up with the old chassis

04:08 <sethy> do some modeling?

04:08 <sethy> and i dont mean, posing

04:08 <Romulus> I'll help translating new BOINC Statistics for the boinc compile don't like torrents -- well there is one stand out canditate?

04:08 <sethy> i mean like making miniature buildings from matchsticks

04:09 <sethy> o o o heared anything as regards to dogbytes?

04:09 <sethy> last i remember he was in hospital :(

04:09 <CoderForLife> I have too many important things going on

04:09 <CoderForLife> no - I haven't heard, anything on the forums?

04:10 <sethy> i dont check the forums

04:10 <sethy> they seem messy

04:10 <CoderForLife> life is messy

04:10 <sethy> images are supported too much

04:10 * sethy makes CoderForLife some tea

04:11 * CoderForLife says thanks, and hands it to his wife who drinks tea

04:12 <CoderForLife> non-computer-related agenda for today includes T-Day dinner, cleaning the house, and getting out the Christmas decorations

04:13 <CoderForLife> of course, we'll have the football games on

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04:13 <sethy_watched> someone is watching me use firefox

04:13 <sethy_watched> make close

04:13 <sethy_watched> so i use IE for IRC

04:13 <sethy_watched> fgts

04:15 <sethy_watched> THEY IZ BLOCKINGAGE SITES :@

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04:16 <sethy_watched> i glitched firefox so they canny close

04:16 <sethy_watched> i think

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04:19 <sethy_watched> if they delete shit on my hard drive i am sueing

04:19 <wdsmia> asks sethy_watched to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

04:19 <sethy_watched> sorry

04:21 <CoderForLife> you are watched

04:21 <sethy_watched> i am being watched

04:21 <sethy_watched> god damn vnc

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04:29 * quail has fish, veg and potatoe gems for suppa

04:29 <E-30> wee

04:33 * CoderForLife has doubt for dessert

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04:33 <CoderForLife> fear is my appetizer, and uncertainty is my main course

04:34 * CoderForLife places second order for Christmas presents

04:34 <CoderForLife> getting ahead of the CyberMonday rush

04:35 <CoderForLife> I rarely shop at a physical store anymor

04:35 <CoderForLife> e

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04:36 <CoderForLife> so I absolutely avoid Black Friday

04:37 * CoderForLife considers the amount of effort to install Fedora 8 on his test server

04:42 <E-30> i see

04:46 <quail> that fish was really yummy

04:47 <E-30> cool

04:47 <quail> fresh fish is always yummy

04:48 * CoderForLife considers starting the cleaning chores that don't make a lot of noise

04:49 * CoderForLife considers sitting in his chair until those feelings go away

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04:49 <quail> ah make heaps of noise and get them to help out :-P

04:49 <CoderForLife> ah - a second vote from Germany has arrived

04:50 <CoderForLife> it is 4:49am - I need to show some respect

04:50 <E-30> i see

04:51 <quail> :-P

04:51 <E-30> :-)

04:51 <c0dewarrior> hmmmmmmm

04:52 <c0dewarrior> I see mad cow desease made it in here already

04:52 * c0dewarrior eyes CoderForLife

04:52 <E-30> lol

04:52 <quail> hehe

04:53 <E-30> well i am out

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04:53 <CoderForLife> there's not a holstein in the herd here =)

04:55 <c0dewarrior> hehehehe

04:56 <CoderForLife> The Nokia is "on sale" today on, quail - did you get it yet?

04:56 <CoderForLife> oops - not in stock

04:57 <CoderForLife> that's interesting - they drop the price when they don't have any

04:57 <CoderForLife> to build demand?

04:58 <quail> CoderForLife: I have not got one yet

04:58 <CoderForLife> US$228.99

04:58 <CoderForLife> 43% off list price

04:59 <quail> nice :-)

04:59 <CoderForLife> did you look into ordering it from amazon?

05:02 <CoderForLife> I'm going to start some "quiet" chores - bbl

05:06 <quail> I will have to check out the fine print again

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06:21 <MTughan> And I have to be off to school... Bye.

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06:32 <E-30> ok i am back

06:41 <quail> wb

06:44 <E-30> thanks

06:44 <E-30> well how are you doing now

06:44 <quail> good thanks and you?

06:44 <E-30> i get to work on vista now

06:44 <E-30> as a dual boot system becuse of my new job

06:45 <E-30> i need to know the in and outs of it

06:46 <quail> oh, :-)

06:46 <E-30> not :-) but :-/

06:46 <PriitM> Vista:

06:46 <E-30> ???

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06:46 <E-30> wow

06:47 <E-30> nice one

06:47 <Tidus> hola everyone

06:47 <E-30> hey '

06:47 <PriitM> hallos

06:47 <Tidus> E-30, been a while since i've seen you on

06:48 <E-30> i know

06:48 <Tidus> i've gone and replaced my entire network at home since the last time i seen you lol

06:49 <E-30> i know that

06:49 <E-30> well now i get to play with vista again

06:49 <Tidus> ouchies

06:50 <Tidus> my dually (rest in peace, finally sold that bastard machine) would only run vista or linux.  something between its motherboard drivers and nvidia's video drivers would hardlock xp or 2kpro

06:50 <E-30> yea hath to learn it for my new job so i am doing a dole boot system

06:50 <E-30> wow

06:50 <E-30> how much dod you get for it

06:50 <Tidus> i gone and replaced both my tower (now an athlon-64 3500), and laptop (3 year old dell, bought used for $100, p4-2.4)

06:50 <Tidus> i sold dually for $600

06:51 <E-30> not bad

06:52 <E-30> well i am still oc  on xp and it is still happy

06:53 <Tidus> my athlon-64 (2.2ghz stock) is happy at 2.6

06:53 <E-30> not bad

06:53 <E-30> 2.4 to 3.4 here

06:53 <E-30> thats good for a amd

06:55 <PriitM> impressive

06:56 <Tidus> 2.6 on stock cooling, i might add

06:56 <E-30> well i am running watter cooling on this computer

06:56 <E-30> i know how that is

06:56 <PriitM> i've reached 2.5 on my 2.2stock

06:56 <PriitM> i got horroble mobo

06:56 <CoderForLife>

06:56 <Romulus> Title: iTWire - Vista take-up slow in 2007: Gartner (at

06:56 <E-30> amd 64 dont go much hight then that on watter becuse of hte mouther board

06:58 <PriitM> silly bios lets me add only 0.05V to CPU

06:58 <E-30> dam that not good

06:58 <Tidus> mine locks the multiplier but allows 0.3v vcore adjustment either way

06:58 <E-30> i am running at 1.4 v on my cpu right now

06:58 <Tidus> as well as ram voltages...

06:58 <Tidus> my mobo: MSI K9VGM-V

06:59 <Tidus> via KT890 chipset

06:59 <PriitM> I currently got vcore on auto because of CnQ

06:59 <Tidus> i have CnQ enabled on mine, but it dont work...

06:59 <E-30>

06:59 <Romulus> Title: computer at 3.4 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at

06:59 <Tidus> it never throttles back

06:59 <PriitM> I got some dogpoop 40$ AsRock 939Dual-Vsta with uli 1695chip

06:59 <PriitM> Tidus, you're using windows?

06:59 <Tidus> PriitM, yes, that machine has xp MCE2005 on it

07:00 <PriitM> If yes, then try to change power settings to minimal

07:00 <Tidus> don't work

07:00 <PriitM> oh :<

07:00 <Tidus> it stays at 2.6ghz as reported by windows

07:00 <E-30> use cpu z

07:00 <Tidus> still reports 2.6ghz

07:00 <E-30> it will tell you everything for your cpu and ram too

07:00 <PriitM> mine lowers multiplier to 5(1ghz) and vcore to 1.1

07:00 <E-30> i see

07:01 <Tidus> 2.66 actually... 230x12

07:01 <E-30> not bad there

07:01 <Tidus> 2.2 stock... not too crappy on stock, eh?

07:01 <Tidus> stock cooling *

07:02 <PriitM> temperatures?

07:02 <Tidus> never gets over 41C

07:02 <E-30> my bus is 380

07:02 <E-30> i run at 49 50 c

07:02 <PriitM> CPU Temp:  +53.5C while running SETI@home

07:02 <E-30> and that full load

07:02 <PriitM> and I got asus silent square, which should be quite good

07:03 <PriitM> 32C idle with CnQ

07:03 <E-30> 44 c idle

07:03 <E-30> it all about my rom temp here

07:03 <E-30> room

07:04 <Tidus> mine idles at like 29C

07:04 <PriitM> i think I got some problems with thermal grease - i ran out when applying it :P

07:04 <Tidus> with room at 25

07:04 <E-30> 23.5

07:04 <E-30> c

07:05 <E-30> well time to go eat some food

07:05 <Tidus> PriitM, i'm using arctic silver 5 as thermal goo

07:05 <Tidus> i've done about 15 heatsinks with the same tube and i'm only halfway gone

07:05 <PriitM> I belive I got some mx series from artic cooling

07:05 <Tidus> the only thing is... my A64 needs more ram

07:06 <Tidus> i ran out of money when buying it, so it's only got 512mb in it

07:06 <Tidus> DDR2-667 ram

07:06 <Tidus> had to skimp on ram and cpu

07:06 <PriitM> I ran out of money when buying my PC as well - had to buy junk(40$ asrock mobo)

07:06 <Tidus> lol

07:06 <Tidus> i got cpu and mobo as a combo deal for like 90 bucks

07:06 <PriitM> bios battery socket is broken already :<

07:06 <PriitM> :O

07:07 <Tidus> socket AM2 athlon64 3500 with a MSI K9VGM-V mobo for 90 bucks

07:07 <E-30> not bad

07:07 <Tidus> paid 120 for the video card (geforce 6600gs)

07:07 <Tidus> 150 total for hdds (160+300 sata)

07:07 <Tidus> and re-used my old dvdrw

07:08 <PriitM> i bought floppy device with my pc

07:08 <PriitM> i've never used it :/

07:09 <Tidus> none of my machines have a floopy in them

07:10 <Tidus> last machine i had that had a floppy drive in it was my old p2-333 laptop

07:10 <Tidus> and even then, it didn't work

07:11 <PriitM> i used floppy device last time on my 2200+

07:11 <PriitM> i was trying out some old version of windows

07:12 <Tidus> i still have a brand new, still shrinkwrapped version of WFW3.11 and DOS 6.22

07:12 <E-30> i have one for my raid only

07:13 <Tidus> E-30, my sata controller emulates IDE for windows install, no floopy needed

07:13 <E-30> mine does not

07:13 <PriitM> mine does as well

07:14 <PriitM> by the way: does anyone know how much does OS/2 WARP boxed ver cost(with everything)

07:14 <Tidus> new version of os/2 ?

07:14 <Tidus> i thought os/2 stopped at like version 4

07:14 <PriitM> i don't actually know, i simply got this os/2 warp

07:15 <Tidus> what version?

07:15 <PriitM> i belive its ver 3

07:15 <Tidus> that came back out in the days of windows 3.10

07:16 <Tidus> probably fetch all of 20 bucks on ebay

07:16 <PriitM> bahh, i'll simply keep it for another 5-10 years

07:16 <PriitM> possibly 30 years and then buy myself a nice house for that

07:16 <Tidus> PriitM, if you wanna know how long i keep some machines in service?

07:16 <E-30> lol

07:16 <Tidus> i still have a debian 2.0 machine running

07:16 <Tidus> running kernel 2.2.28

07:17 <PriitM> debian was released in 1992, right?

07:17 <E-30> yea i think so

07:17 <Tidus> i dunno exactly when debian was first released

07:17 <Tidus> i also have an ancient laptop running RH 7.1

07:17 <PriitM> 2.0 was released in 1998 according to wikipedia

07:17 <PriitM> i ran RH 7 on my old 266mhz machine

07:18 <PriitM> in 2002/2003

07:18 <Tidus> my old p3-450 dell router right now is running debian lenny

07:18 <Tidus> lenny's the current testing distro

07:18 <Tidus> thinkin about switchin it over to slack

07:19 <PriitM> i got slackware 12 and debian 4 waiting as .iso right now

07:19 <PriitM> trying out these 'new' vers today

07:19 <PriitM> or in few days

07:19 <Tidus> newest slack i have is 11

07:19 <E-30> not bad

07:20 <Tidus> the router's running a small script called FairNAT

07:20 <E-30> what does that do

07:20 <Tidus> basically, it kiddie-scripts setting up nat, dhcp, and QoS

07:21 <Tidus> so that way my neighbor leeching off my wireless can't clog my bandwidth by downloading porn

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07:21 <PriitM> mikrotik is worth trying - great piece of software

07:21 <MTughan> Well, I was off to school.

07:21 <Tidus> because all P2P traffic is traffic shaped down to lowest priority

07:21 <MTughan> But we got a snow day today! ^^

07:22 <PriitM> snow should be illegal in my country, its awful

07:22 <E-30> lol

07:22 <E-30> you cant ban mouther nature

07:23 <MTughan> So you can't ban Mouther Nature, but you can ban Mother Nature? xD

07:23 <E-30> cool

07:23 <E-30> how

07:23 <E-30> stay inside

07:23 <MTughan> No, you misspelled it.

07:23 <MTughan> Anyway, more time for BOINC!

07:23 <E-30> oh well i do that a lot

07:24 <E-30> 5th graders can out spell me

07:24 <MTughan> lol

07:24 <Tidus> PriitM, hardened linux + iptables + fairnat = pretty solid router too

07:24 <E-30> not bad

07:25 <PriitM> Tidus, unfortunately my linux knowledge isn't that great, so I'll stick to 'easy' software :p

07:25 <Tidus> PriitM, lol

07:25 <Tidus> fairnat takes care of the iptables part

07:25 <E-30> vista 93% done down loading now

07:25 <Tidus> eww, vista

07:25 <Tidus> lol

07:25 <E-30> yea

07:25 <Tidus> i'll stick with my xp for now

07:25 <Tidus> since i only have 512mb ram

07:26 <Tidus> heck, it clogs up with less than 2gb

07:26 <E-30> i am running dule boot there

07:26 <E-30> i have 4 gigsnow

07:26 <PriitM> AFAIK XP Pro is only decent windows OS out there

07:26 <MTughan> Ah, Linux isn't that hard to use.

07:26 <MTughan> Besides, it isn't Linux you're finding hard to use. It's the GUI.

07:26 <E-30> yea

07:26 <MTughan> Tidus: I was running the beta and RCs with 1GB of RAM. ^^

07:26 <E-30> but i still game

07:26 <E-30> cool

07:27 <Tidus> MTughan, i was running ultimate with 1gb

07:27 <Tidus> ultimate RTM, that is

07:27 <Tidus> it was so freakin slow on 1gb...

07:27 <MTughan> That's the version I bought, but I haven't upgraded yet. Still on XP for my PC.

07:27 <E-30> i know

07:27 <E-30> i did beta of long horn

07:27 <MTughan> Besides, I like my Mac so much more.

07:27 <MTughan> E-30: Beta 2?

07:28 <E-30> yea

07:28 <Tidus> vista SP1 should take care of most of the performance issues...

07:28 <Tidus> i ran beta2 and RC1

07:28 <E-30> on 1.5gb or ram

07:28 <Tidus> and ultimate RTM

07:28 <MTughan> I did Beta 2 and RC1. Missed RC2.

07:28 <Tidus> MTughan, RC2 never existed, if i remember right

07:28 <E-30> and beta 1

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07:28 <E-30> in like 2004 or 5

07:28 <MTughan> No, it just went for about 1000 downloads.

07:29 <MTughan> Tidus: I read a report that Vista SP1 isn't faster at all.

07:29 <Tidus> MTughan, oh, and i forgot to mention my athlon-64 dual-boots mac OSX 10.4.9 and xp mce2005 :P

07:29 <MTughan> Traitor...

07:29 <Tidus> what, i aint spending double the money for half the machine

07:29 <Tidus> just so it can look shiny as well as run good

07:29 <MTughan> Well, get a Mac and dual-boot XP MCE then.

07:30 <Tidus> i like osx, but hate the hardware

07:30 <MTughan> They're faster.

07:30 <Tidus> can't get an intel mac for 300 bucks

07:30 <Tidus> that's all i paid for my A64

07:30 <MTughan> And you want a PC for $300?

07:30 <MTughan> You'll get a piece of s***.

07:30 <Tidus> MTughan, i only paid $300 for my A64

07:31 <MTughan> And how old is it?

07:31 <Tidus> not including the monitor of course

07:31 <Tidus> MTughan, all parts are brand new

07:31 <E-30> 94%

07:31 <MTughan> It's crap.

07:31 <Tidus> lol...

07:31 <Tidus> how little you know

07:31 <MTughan> I know you can get crap PCs here for $300.

07:31 <Tidus> running 2.66ghz on stock cooling (stock speed for that processor is 2.2)

07:31 <MTughan> I would expect to spend at least $1200.

07:31 <E-30> 2.43 gb to download is a lot

07:32 <Tidus> it's stable

07:32 <Tidus> 41C under load

07:32 <MTughan> I got my Mac laptop for $1500.

07:32 <E-30> i can make a monster box for 1600

07:32 <E-30> with no montor

07:32 <MTughan> Yeah, that's believable.

07:32 <MTughan> No sarcasm there.

07:32 <E-30> quad 6600 and 8800 gts ans 1 tb of hd and 2 gigs of ram

07:32 <MTughan> Tidus:

07:32 <Romulus> Title: Windows Vista SP1 beta lacks 'wow' | Tech news blog - CNET (at

07:32 <Tidus> MTughan, that's the beta

07:33 <MTughan> Yes, it's a beta.

07:33 <Tidus> every windows "beta" service pack i've tried has sucked horribly

07:33 <MTughan> Because SP1 hasn't been released.

07:33 <Tidus> including sp2 beta for xp

07:34 <Tidus> MTughan, i'm not kidding when i say you don't know my machine

07:34 <MTughan> Okay, give me some specs then.

07:34 <E-30> ok

07:34 <E-30> 95%

07:34 <E-30> well my is a monster

07:34 <MTughan> What are you downloading?

07:35 <Tidus> athlon-64 3500, overclocked from 2.2 to 2.66 on stock cooling, 512mb ram (ran out of money), 460gb hd (160+300 sata), nvidia geforce 6600GS graphics

07:35 <Tidus> 22" widescreen monitor

07:35 <E-30> core 2 duo 6600 at 3.4 ghz 4 gigs of ram and 1 tb of hd and 8800 gts

07:35 <E-30> two 21 in sceptre lcd

07:35 <E-30> oh yea watter cooling

07:36 <Tidus> but to be honest... i want the new HP Blackbird 002

07:36 <E-30> thas nice

07:36 <MTughan> Core Duo T2500 at 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HD, Intel GMA950 graphics.

07:36 <E-30> iall i waht is the quad 6600 and then i will be happy

07:36 <MTughan> Yes, the graphics are s***.

07:36 <Tidus> core1 duo... not even 64 bit processor

07:36 <MTughan> So?

07:37 <Tidus> intel GMA950 graphics are easily outran by a midrange nvidia 6xxx chip

07:37 <MTughan> Yes, beat my ATI Radeon 9600.

07:37 <Tidus> i can

07:37 <E-30> lol

07:37 <Tidus> the 9600 wasn't that quick

07:37 <MTughan> Does yours have TV, FM radio, video in?

07:37 <MTughan> The ATI AIW 9600Xt.

07:37 <Tidus> yes, recycled my tv tuner card from dually

07:38 <Tidus> hauppauge PVR-250

07:38 <Tidus> dual tuner

07:38 <MTughan> Oh, and the card is three years old. ^^

07:38 <E-30> i have the usb virson

07:38 <MTughan> I need a new PC.

07:38 <Tidus> i'll admit, my video card don't have tv/fm in, but it does have svideo in and out

07:39 <MTughan> Same. Still not impressed.

07:39 <MTughan> Dual VGA out.

07:39 <Tidus> dual-dvi here

07:39 <E-30> i hat thea intel lock on the core 2 duo 6600

07:39 <Tidus> fanless

07:39 <Tidus> only takes up one slot

07:39 <E-30> then i cold push it obver 4 ghz

07:39 <MTughan> Oh, I was surprised that Vista Aero works on the GMA950 too!

07:39 <E-30> yea same here

07:39 <Tidus> yep, but slows it down massively

07:40 <MTughan> It's not bad, actually.

07:40 <Tidus> my friend bought a laptop with GMA950 graphics... under vista, world of warcraft ran at about 13fps with everything turned down

07:40 <E-30> well they need to come out with something better for dx10

07:40 <Tidus> under xp pro, runs at about mid 30s with everything set in the middle

07:40 <E-30> the games kill the 8800 series

07:40 <MTughan> It's a low end graphics card.

07:41 <Tidus> the rest of that computer is low-end

07:41 <MTughan> If I had had the money for a MacBook Pro, I could've gotten a nice ATI or Nvidia card.

07:41 <Tidus> my friend's acer laptop has the T2600 in it

07:41 <E-30> well time to go eat at last i think

07:41 <MTughan> Tidus: 667MHz Memory. That ain't exactly low quality.

07:41 <E-30> hame and good food

07:42 <Tidus> nice... have fun E-30

07:42 <E-30> thats what i am running now

07:42 <Tidus> MTughan, that's pretty much standard on any core1duo or c2d

07:42 <MTughan> Tidus: Your processor, is it even dual-core?

07:42 <Tidus> that's what i got in my A-64

07:42 <Tidus> MTughan, no, not dual-core, but at least it's 64 bit capable

07:42 <MTughan> Meh.

07:42 <MTughan> I like my dual-core.

07:43 <Tidus> kinda pointless when it's being held back by a poop-ish graphics chip

07:43 <MTughan> Does BOINC need a good graphics card?

07:43 <MTughan> Needs CPU more than anything else.

07:43 <Tidus> i don't boinc on laptops

07:43 <Tidus> the fans get too noisy

07:44 <MTughan> Uh huh...

07:44 <Tidus> and they burn my legs

07:44 <MTughan> Use a desk.

07:44 <Tidus> not enough room on my desk for 4 comps

07:44 <Tidus> the laptop was the newest purchase

07:44 <MTughan> 4 comps? Why do you have that many?

07:44 <Tidus> so it doesn't get any room

07:44 <Tidus> router, gf's pc, my a64, and the laptop

07:45 <MTughan> Router's hardly a PC.

07:45 <Tidus> most of the regulars in here have at least 6

07:45 <PriitM> I got 4 and I got small apartment :<

07:45 <Tidus> spit_theDog has like 16... and she's in her early 50s

07:46 <MTughan> Here we go... Stock MBP. 2.2GHz C2D, 2GB RAM, 120GB HD, Nvidia 8600M graphics.

07:46 <Tidus> not bad, but starting at a price tag way out of my range

07:46 <MTughan> $2200 CDN.

07:46 <Tidus> whereas i can get a dell with the same specs for about 600 less

07:47 <MTughan> Laptop?

07:47 <Tidus> yeah

07:47 <MTughan> Really.

07:47 <Tidus> it's no secret that apple's computers are priced higher than competition.

07:47 <PriitM> we got kind of local brand laptop with similar specs for 1200$ or so

07:47 <Tidus> if you believe that they aren't, i call you an iSheep and /ignore

07:47 <MTughan> Tidus: Similarly compared Mac Pro and Dell, Dell's more.

07:48 <MTughan> I don't know about the laptops.

07:48 <Tidus> that's a professional workstation

07:48 <MTughan> Yeah.

07:48 <Tidus> i've worked on one of those

07:48 <Tidus> they weigh about 80lbs

07:48 <MTughan> lol, yeah.

07:48 <Tidus> whereas the mac pro weighs about 55

07:49 <Tidus> dell's also got a beefier power supply in it

07:49 <MTughan> Um... Okay that's out of my price range. Top of the line MBP, full everything. Almost $8000 CDN!

07:49 <Tidus> yeah, see, top of the line dell would only run about $4400 US

07:50 <Tidus> i'm not factoring accessories price into the machine cost

07:50 <Tidus> i'm looking at computer only

07:51 <MTughan> 2.6GHz C2D, 4GB RAM, 200GB HD, High-res display (1920x1200 on a 17"), 30" external monitor, iWork, Aperature, Logic Express preinstalled, iMac, and extra warranty.

07:51 <MTughan> It's a nice machine, for sure.

07:51 <Tidus> machine only

07:51 <MTughan> Yeah...

07:51 <Tidus> so drop the 30" shiny lcd

07:51 <Tidus> lol

07:51 <MTughan> For something that I'd like, $4700.

07:52 <E-30> well i have about 3000 in my computer now

07:52 <Tidus> personally, for a laptop, i'm happy with my old dell 5100

07:52 <E-30> not bad ofr

07:52 <Tidus> that i paid 100 bucks for

07:52 <MTughan> C2D 2.6GHz, 4GB RAM, 200GB HD, DVD+-RW DL 8x, and warrany.

07:52 <MTughan> warranty*

07:52 <E-30> middle of the line on processer but i give it the edage with watter cooling

07:53 <Tidus> p4-2.4 with 512mb ram, 60gb hdd, dvd/cdrw combo

07:53 <E-30> well vista is at 96%now

07:53 <MTughan> Yeah. I've got a Prescott 2.8GHz in my PC. I tried overclocking it to 3.0Ghz once, and it went up to 80C on the stock Intel processor. :P

07:53 <MTughan> s/processor/cooler/

07:53 <Tidus> they dont call it "preshott" for nothing

07:54 <MTughan> I think you said that one before...

07:54 <Tidus> but the core microarchitecture is based on prescott

07:54 <MTughan> But it's much cooler.

07:54 <Tidus> my p4 2.4 in this laptop ... can't remember which one it is

07:54 <Tidus> heck, i don't even know what fsb it is

07:54 <MTughan> Now my CD is running at 81C right now, but that's at full load on a laptop cooler.

07:55 <Tidus> there were 3 different p4-2.4s

07:55 <MTughan> lol

07:55 <Tidus> 81c = OUCH

07:55 <MTughan> Well, the P4 was running that at idle. :P

07:55 <Tidus> under load, this dell barely touches the bottom end of 50

07:55 <MTughan> And this processor can take up to 100C.

07:55 <MTughan> The Dell, I bet it's a single core.

07:55 <Tidus> yeah, older p4

07:56 <Tidus> and i'd rather keep my leg hairs...

07:56 <MTughan> That's why. I have at least twice as much stuff being done.

07:56 <Tidus> 100C on my lap isn't worth the hospital visit

07:56 <MTughan> I'm running TSP and WCG right now.

07:56 <MTughan> lol

07:56 <Tidus> i don't boinc on lappys

07:57 <Tidus> mostly because mine does see use more than 4 feet away from the wall

07:57 <MTughan> The only thing I don't like about Mac OS X is that it uses a heck of a lot of memory.

07:58 <Tidus> actually, it only appears that way

07:58 <MTughan> Kernel alone is taking more than 200MB of RAM.

07:58 <MTughan> WindowServer is taking 150MB.

07:58 <MTughan> And my IRC client is over 100MB.

07:58 <Tidus> last rebooted when?

07:58 <MTughan> 12 days ago.

07:58 <Tidus> hm...

07:59 <MTughan> Actually, coming up on 13.

07:59 <Tidus> don't remember when i last restarted this laptop

07:59 <Tidus> but grand total i'm using 302mb

07:59 <MTughan> I need to restart soon though, because 10.4.11 is available.

07:59 <Tidus> my irc client is only using 4.7mb

07:59 <MTughan> You're on XP ATM?

07:59 <Tidus> ya

08:00 <Tidus> laptop runs xp pro

08:00 <MTughan> Yeah, I know XP is much better at that.

08:00 <PriitM> my current ubuntu takes 420mb with irc, gnome and seti running

08:00 <Tidus> under linux i'd be using less than 128mb for just irc and X

08:00 <MTughan> I don't think SETI takes that much RAM.

08:00 <Tidus> i don't use gnome... i'm more of a minimalist WM kinda person

08:00 <MTughan> Well, the IRC client is subjective too.

08:01 <MTughan> On Linux, I like Fedora, KDE, and Konversation.

08:01 <PriitM> hmm, i got 8x seti apps running, 36mb each

08:01 <Tidus> CTCP/VERSION reply from Tidus : HydraIRC v0.3.151 (19/November/2005) by Dominic Clifton aka Hydra - #HydraIRC on EFNet

08:01 <MTughan> 8 of them?! Well, that could explain some...

08:01 <PriitM> as some, sleeping tasks

08:01 <PriitM> ah*

08:02 <Tidus> that's why.

08:02 <MTughan> PriitM's using XChat.

08:02 <MTughan> XChat is nice...

08:02 <Tidus> xchat runs on osx btw...

08:02 <MTughan> I know, I have it.

08:02 <PriitM> 8.1mb of ram usage after several hours of chatting/idling

08:02 * Tidus prefers irssi on ... just about all OSes

08:02 <MTughan> On #ubuntu too?

08:03 <PriitM> yes

08:03 <MTughan> I'm using Colloquy right now. Mac OS X specific client.

08:03 * Tidus uses irssi on his hackintosh

08:03 <MTughan> PriitM: I can even tell you the kernel version you're using. ^^

08:03 <PriitM> oh really? :P

08:03 <MTughan> 2.6.20-16-generic on an i686.

08:03 <Tidus> [07:03] CTCP/VERSION reply from PriitM : XChat-GNOME IRC Chat 0.16 Linux 2.6.20-16-generic [i686]

08:04 <PriitM> right

08:04 <MTughan> Tidus: Oh, you spoiled it! :P

08:04 <Tidus> which means you might oughta upgrade from ubuntu 7.04 ....

08:04 <PriitM> :P

08:04 <MTughan> Yeah, Gutsy seems nice.

08:04 <PriitM> I feel like 7.10 is slightly too fresh yet

08:05 <Tidus> it's plenty stable

08:05 <MTughan> It seems stable.

08:05 <Tidus> and compiz by default :P

08:05 <MTughan> Yay, compiz!  ^^

08:05 <PriitM> I tried updating after ~week it came out and it ruined my system :>

08:05 <MTughan> Oh...

08:05 <Tidus> PriitM, how did you go about updating it?

08:05 <PriitM> at that point login screen window still had debian logo

08:05 <E-30> lol

08:05 <MTughan> wb E

08:06 <Tidus> wb E-30

08:06 <MTughan> So while Tidus and I can't agree on hardware, we can agree on OS.

08:06 <Tidus> lol

08:06 <MTughan> I like OS X myself, but Linux is king in graphics effects.

08:06 <Tidus> sorry MT, just can't stand apple locked hardware

08:06 <MTughan> Well, Boot Camp helps.

08:07 <Tidus> still locked hardware

08:07 <MTughan> Yeah.

08:07 <Tidus> won't boot xp on its own

08:07 <Tidus> needs boot camp to emulate BIOS

08:07 <MTughan> Because it uses EFI.

08:07 <MTughan> Yeah.

08:07 <Tidus> which slows it down terribly

08:07 <MTughan> How old is BIOS now? Close to 30 years?

08:07 <Tidus> yeah, but if yer gonna run windows...

08:08 <MTughan> Well, let's complain to Microsoft that they're using legacy technologies!

08:08 <MTughan> Hehe...

08:08 <Tidus> some amd64 machines can be configured to boot from efi

08:08 <MTughan> How did you boot OS X 10.4.9 on your machine?

08:09 <MTughan> I'm sure it can't boot from BIOS.

08:09 <Tidus> wouldn't you like to know :P

08:09 <Tidus> nah... hacked darwin kernel

08:09 <MTughan> I don't care, I'm just curios.

08:09 <MTughan> curious*

08:09 <MTughan> Ah...

08:09 <MTughan> So you modded the kernel to boot from BIOS?

08:10 <Tidus> i just script kiddied it.  someone else did it

08:10 <MTughan> Hehe... That works.

08:10 <Tidus> i'm not the only one in this world whos running a hackintosh

08:10 <MTughan> I know.

08:10 <xcamel> 'lo

08:10 <Tidus> hi xcamel

08:10 <MTughan> 'lo Jat

08:10 <MTughan> Jay*

08:12 <Tidus> MTughan, now granted, i cant use a ps/2 mouse or keyboard, and i can only install to a sata drive at the moment... but otherwise it's functional

08:12 <MTughan> Hey, Tidus: Have you seen anything of iLife '08?

08:12 <Tidus> nope... sure havent

08:12 <MTughan> I'm wondering if it's worth the upgrade. I heard iMovie was dumbed down.

08:12 * Tidus has final cut pro universal...

08:12 <MTughan> *Envy*

08:13 <Tidus> and office 2004

08:13 <MTughan> If I had money, I'd get Final Cut Studio.

08:13 <Tidus> so i dont need iLife

08:13 <MTughan> Ah, not one for Office.

08:13 <MTughan> Tidus: You're thinking of iWork.

08:13 <Tidus> oops

08:13 <Tidus> got that one backward

08:13 <MTughan> I use OOo myself.

08:13 <Tidus> i use OO.o on my xp machines

08:14 <Tidus> but that copy of office 2k4 was a free gift

08:14 <MTughan> It's a nice suite.

08:14 <MTughan> Hehe... Well, take what you can get.

08:14 <MTughan> Besides, OOo on OS X runs under X11. So I use NeoOffice.

08:15 <MTughan> It's a Java port of OOo.

08:15 <Tidus> final cut pro was *cough*cough*hack*wheeze*

08:15 <MTughan> So it's pirated?

08:15 <Tidus> >:D

08:15 <CoderForLife> re-hi

08:15 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

08:15 <Tidus> re-hi CoderForLife

08:16 <CoderForLife> hello MTughan Tidus

08:16 <CoderForLife> hello xcamel

08:16 <Romulus> i wish i could use a crazy few hours longer?

08:16 <xcamel> 'lo Don

08:16 <CoderForLife> cooling off outside

08:17 <MTughan> We got a snow day today! ^^

08:17 <Tidus> CoderForLife, i know what you mean about the snow...

08:17 <Tidus> er... cold

08:17 <CoderForLife> yip yip yippee

08:17 <CoderForLife> Jay has got some fog going-on

08:18 <MTughan> Hey, there's a special CAD for today too.

08:18 <xcamel> icy fog

08:19 <CoderForLife> extra special nice

08:19 <xcamel> uh-huh

08:20 <CoderForLife> I've been cleaning this morning - sweeping and mopping - something they don't teach you in Coder school

08:20 <xcamel> check the fall trip pics..

08:20 <CoderForLife> I looked at them early this morning - is that some kind of large shell you wife is holding?

08:20 <CoderForLife> and that's some spider

08:21 <xcamel> that is a whale flipper bone

08:21 <Tidus> lol...

08:21 <CoderForLife> ah

08:21 <xcamel> and Sinor T. Rantula

08:21 <E-30> lol

08:21 <CoderForLife> Si

08:22 <CoderForLife> el grande

08:22 <xcamel> never could get a picture of Ricardo the iguana

08:22 <CoderForLife> camera shy?

08:22 <xcamel> very

08:26 <E-30> yea

08:26 <E-30> same here

08:26 <MTughan> You have an iguana?

08:27 <E-30> naa cant in the army

08:29 <E-30> well vista at least will have a 250 gb hd to work with

08:29 <E-30> but xp will have a 533gb hd to work with

08:29 <MTughan> You want to give it to Microsoft? lol

08:29 <MTughan> Nice...

08:29 <MTughan> 750GB drive?

08:29 <E-30> naa but that what the os is going to running on

08:30 <E-30> i have like 5 tb of hds now

08:30 <E-30> all of them are less the 600gb

08:30 <MTughan> Wow...

08:30 <E-30> each

08:30 <E-30> i do fansubs a lot

08:30 <MTughan> lol

08:31 <E-30> amine

08:31 <E-30> i have like 500 gb alone of that

08:31 <E-30> 50 gb of music and i dont know about of moves and music vids

08:32 <xcamel> 'lo E

08:32 <E-30> hey xcamel how are you today

08:32 <xcamel> good enough

08:32 <E-30> i aht to learn vista now

08:32 <E-30> hath

08:33 <Tidus> E-30, the correct word is have

08:33 <MTughan> "hath" works in there.

08:33 <E-30> may be

08:33 <MTughan> "I hath to learn Vista now", that's valid English.

08:34 * xcamel still hates vista

08:34 <Tidus> either way works.... i'm just a grammar nazi, and i can't help it sometimes :(

08:34 <xcamel> &version

08:34 <Romulus> xcamel: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs.  The newest version available online is 0.83.3.

08:35 <E-30> cool

08:35 <E-30> &donkeyscoffee

08:35 <Romulus> Here's your coffee three or four lumps!! BANG!

08:36 <E-30> lol

08:37 <yoyo[RKN]> nice hint

08:37 <Tidus> &larrycoffee

08:37 <yoyo[RKN]> <--- coffee making

08:37 <Romulus> Tidus: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

08:37 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

08:37 <Tidus> hah...hah.

08:37 <E-30> &coffee

08:37 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

08:37 <E-30> theres what i need

08:37 <MTughan> Early morning?

08:38 <Tidus> lol

08:38 <E-30> no jest people wont leave me alone i am rudy to kill them today

08:38 <E-30> redy

08:38 <MTughan> ready*

08:38 <yoyo[RKN]> just heating the coffee system

08:38 <E-30> there

08:39 <E-30> well need to restart now to get vista working now

08:39 *** E-30 has quit IRC

08:39 <MTughan> See ya...

08:39 <MTughan> Darn, too late.

08:40 <yoyo[RKN]> making cappuccino

08:40 <Romulus> <> (at

08:41 <MTughan> Nice machine...

08:41 * MTughan doesn't drink coffee

08:41 <yoyo[RKN]> tasty coffee I ever got

08:46 <xcamel> combate coffee is pretty good.. when you can get it...

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08:48 * quail cracks open a beer

08:48 <Tidus> heya quail

08:49 <quail> hey Tidus

08:53 <CoderForLife> I posted a link earlier that indicated that 9% of PCs "hath" Vista now.

08:53 * CoderForLife is late to the conversation

08:53 <Tidus> lol CFL

08:53 <Romulus> this looks like an ammusment park with free anti-virus? shaftware?

08:55 <Tidus> i still hate vista...

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09:01 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

09:01 <zombie67> hi!

09:02 <zombie67> I was just reading the TSP news, and thinking about you.

09:02 <MTughan> Oh?

09:02 <zombie67> new version?

09:02 <MTughan> I haven't heard anything about that...

09:02 <MTughan> If SVN is updated though, I can make it in a flash.

09:03 <zombie67> "Look for the 2.11 version of tsp soon."

09:03 <MTughan> Yeah, just read it now.

09:03 <zombie67> have you talked to him in the past (say) 12 hours?

09:04 <MTughan> No, but I've only been awake for 3.

09:04 <zombie67> BTW, happy thanksgiving!

09:04 <MTughan> It is indeed updated...

09:04 <MTughan> Canada. We already had Thanksgiving. :P

09:04 <MTughan> There is a new CAD about that though...

09:04 <zombie67> d'oh!  right!

09:05 <MTughan> I think xcamel and CoderForLife are in the States though.

09:05 <zombie67> what is boxing day?

09:05 <MTughan> Dec 26th.

09:05 <MTughan> No actual holiday, just a big shopping day I think.

09:05 <zombie67> I mean, what is it, and what does the name come from?

09:05 <zombie67> boxing up xmas ornaments?

09:05 <MTughan> Okay, new TSP apps made, just need mweltin.

09:06 <MTughan> Could be.

09:06 <MTughan> That's the kind of time a Makefile can save. :D

09:07 <zombie67> cool!

09:07 <zombie67> Oh!  BRUP has more work!

09:07 <MTughan> They still have work? Wow...

09:07 <zombie67> new batch.  they were out of work last night

09:07 <MTughan> Ah.

09:09 <xcamel> yup -- turkey day here

09:09 <yoyo[RKN]> hi zombie67

09:09 <yoyo[RKN]> you got an evo wu

09:09 <MTughan> Ooh.. turkey...

09:09 <zombie67> hi yoyo!

09:09 <zombie67> yeah, a bunch of them!

09:09 <xcamel> &weather 12074

09:09 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 36.5F / 2.5C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Areas of fog early this morning. Rain likely. Highs in the upper 50s. Temperature falling into the upper 40s this afternoon. South winds around 5 mph...becoming southwest 10 to 15 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - (1 more message)

09:09 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin

09:09 <xcamel> &more

09:09 <Romulus> xcamel: Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain and snow showers or sleet in the evening. Cooler with lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. Much colder with highs in the mid 30s. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

09:09 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 2:50 PM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:37 F. / 3 C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F. / 4 C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:35 F. / 2 C.;

09:09 <MTughan> Ah, we're colder now...

09:09 <xcamel> dense fog

09:09 <MTughan> &weather Toronto

09:10 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 9:08 AM EST; Today - Snow at times heavy. Snow mixed with freezing rain and ice pellets early this morning and with ice pellets this morning. Snow and ice pellet amount 5 to 10 cm(2.0 to 3.9 in). Wind northeast 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 (1 more message)

09:10 <MTughan> &more

09:10 <Romulus> MTughan: km/h (31 mph) becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) late this afternoon. Temperature falling to -2C(28F) by evening.; Tonight - Light snow ending early this evening then cloudy periods. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light near midnight. Low -10C(14F).; Friday - Sunny. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) early in the afternoon. High -2C(28F).;

09:10 <zombie67> are they being issued under the beta setting, or the evo setting?

09:10 <MTughan> Had a bear of a time clearing the cars of ice...

09:10 <xcamel> always a fun time..

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09:11 <yoyo[RKN]> both

09:11 * CoderForLife returns after telling Louie to sweep the bedroom, bathroom and master closet

09:11 <yoyo[RKN]> evo and beta must be set

09:12 <xcamel> which one of you linux kiddies wants to track down a pesky lib error?

09:12 <Tidus> uhoh

09:12 <zombie67> ah

09:12 <Tidus> what distro, what library

09:12 <MTughan> xcamel: What kind of error?

09:12 <xcamel> fc7, kde, konversation

09:12 <MTughan> Undefined symbol, missing shared library, corrupted?

09:12 <xcamel> Undefined symbol

09:13 <MTughan> Those are the worst... Which library?

09:13 <xcamel> symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: _ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev

09:13 <MTughan> Hey, we've seen that before... QDomDocument...

09:13 <xcamel> I know.. I cant find it

09:13 <xcamel> few if any links on google

09:13 <Tidus> i'm not much for fedora, but i'd say you have a corrupted kde issue

09:14 <MTughan> Well, I have the same system in my VM if you want the library.

09:14 <Tidus> it's part of kdelibs

09:14 <zombie67> aaargh!  One of my 8-way machines had *4* threads locked up with milkyway popups.

09:14 <MTughan> Yeah, 3.4MB.

09:15 <xcamel> it has something to do with either glibc or qt libs

09:15 <MTughan> Want it?

09:15 <xcamel> I have it, but what is the size etc?

09:15 <MTughan> What about an MD5?

09:16 <MTughan> Or a SHA-1?

09:16 <MTughan> Hmm... How do I do an MD5 in FC7?

09:16 <MTughan> I've got a SHA-1.

09:17 <Tidus> MTughan, md5sum

09:17 <Tidus> common to all linuxes

09:17 <xcamel> 9bd75a54a069def54d7e3c72be1bc68e  /usr/lib/

09:17 <MTughan> 76bca1c9105de54f615e8ad774eada08

09:17 <xcamel> huh..

09:17 <MTughan> Those are different all right...

09:18 <xcamel> just a sec ... version of kde?

09:18 <MTughan> Uh... How do I check that?

09:18 <xcamel>   3.5.7-22.fc7

09:18 <Tidus> kcontrol --version ?

09:18 <xcamel> control center

09:18 <MTughan> kcontrol worked. 3.5.6-22.fc7.

09:18 <MTughan> Sorry...

09:19 <xcamel> ah hah

09:19 <MTughan> 3.5.7*

09:19 <MTughan> Typo/

09:20 <MTughan> 3.5.7-22.fc7 for KDE, 3.5.7-21.fc7 for control centre.

09:20 <MTughan> 3.3.8 for QT.

09:20 <xcamel> size=3388344

09:20 <MTughan> Same size at least.

09:20 <xcamel> date=2007-09-01

09:20 <Tidus> it should still work if it's the same version or newer

09:21 <MTughan> 14:56?

09:21 <xcamel> see if you can send it

09:21 <xcamel> same time too

09:22 <MTughan> Hold on, VMs being slow.

09:22 <xcamel> or put it somewhere I can dl it

09:22 * xcamel sucks on some more coffee

09:23 <MTughan> What's the FTP client in FC7? Graphical, not ftp.

09:23 <xcamel> can you dcc?

09:23 <MTughan> Probably...

09:23 <xcamel> gftp

09:23 <Tidus> MTughan, konqueror can do ftp

09:24 <xcamel> yes it can - brain on slow mode

09:24 <MTughan> Konqueror can do FTP? Sweet...

09:24 <Tidus> been able to do that for like ... ages.

09:24 <xcamel> indeed

09:26 <MTughan>

09:26 <Romulus> <> (at

09:27 <zombie67> I need a recomendation for a free VNC server for XP64.  I currently use TightVNC, but that isn't working with XP64 very well.

09:27 <Tidus> zombie67, ultravnc maybe?

09:28 <Tidus> for windows to windows i normally just turn on remote desktop

09:28 <zombie67> I am running the client on a mac, so remote desktop doens't work for me.  Thanks.  I'll look into ultravnc

09:30 <MTughan> Ah... zombie67: When they talked about the error in TSP, I was at school. :P

09:30 <CoderForLife> bbl

09:30 <MTughan> sy

09:31 <Tidus> zombie67, really?

09:31 <Tidus> the nx client can connect to windows RDP

09:31 <Tidus>

09:31 <Romulus> Title: NoMachine NX - Desktop Virtualization and Remote Access Management Software (at

09:31 <Tidus> their client speaks the windows remote desktop protocol

09:32 <xcamel> nuts.. didn't fix it

09:32 <MTughan> You can also get remote-desktop for Mac.

09:32 <MTughan> Right from Microsoft.

09:32 <MTughan> xcamel: Same error?

09:32 <xcamel> yes

09:32 <MTughan> kcontrol --version, what's your QT version?

09:33 <xcamel> 3.3.8

09:33 <MTughan> Same as mine...

09:34 <xcamel> yup

09:34 <Tidus> the problem goes deeper

09:34 <Tidus> ldd <that library file name> and see what that spits out

09:34 <MTughan> Google doesn't have anything on the logs...

09:34 <xcamel> a crapload of other libs

09:35 <Tidus> could be any one of those

09:35 <MTughan> Anything to do with QT in there?

09:36 <xcamel> not that I can see

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09:38 <zombie67> I'll give RDC for mac a shot.  thanks!

09:39 <MTughan> xcamel:

09:39 <xcamel> egrep -r '_ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev' /usr/lib/

09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/ matches

09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/ matches

09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/linguist-qt4 matches

09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/linguist matches

09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qdbus matches

09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qdbusviewer matches

09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qt3to4 matches

09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/uic3 matches

09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/ matches

09:41 <zombie67> how do I turn on remote desktop at the remote machine?

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09:41 <MTughan> It's in System Properties on XP.

09:41 <MTughan> xcamel: Is that all?

09:41 <MTughan> I have more than 50 at this point, and it's still going.

09:42 <MTughan> Probably close to 100.

09:43 <xcamel> all it could find

09:44 <MTughan> I'm gonna have to pastebin this...

09:44 <quail> xcamel: hi, happy thanks giving to you :-)

09:44 <xcamel> Thanks, Q

09:45 <quail> hope you are having a good thanks giving Jay

09:45 <xcamel> wish I could get rid of this half-assed cold

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09:45 <quail> hope you get better soon too ;-)

09:45 <xcamel> thanks

09:46 <MTughan> Okay, redoing the search over SSH to make copying and pasting easier...

09:46 <quail> bit under month for me to get the taste of the xmas turkey

09:46 <xcamel> searching all of /usr

09:46 <MTughan> So tempting...

09:47 <quail> locate /usr <file name>

09:47 <MTughan> egrep.

09:47 <xcamel> egreping

09:47 <MTughan> "egrep -r '_ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev' /usr/lib/"

09:47 <zombie67> ah.  it requires I have a passwd set up

09:48 <MTughan> xcamel: libkdeui matches here.

09:48 <xcamel> many of the other binaries that need that symbol run fine...

09:49 <xcamel> wierd.. doesn't match here

09:49 <MTughan> Oh, should be noted that I have GNOME installed too.

09:50 <quail> MTughan: you might need to install qt4-core

09:50 <MTughan> I have it. xcamel's the one with the error.

09:50 <MTughan> I would think I have it anyway.

09:51 <MTughan> libsudoku-gui?

09:51 <MTughan> Seems I installed a Sudoku game and forgot about it...

09:52 <xcamel> bbiab.. need to go feed...

09:52 <MTughan> For you when you get back. 202 matches.

09:52 <MTughan>

09:52 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 793694 (at

09:53 <MTughan> That was just /usr/lib, I don't want to see /usr. :P

09:53 <MTughan> What does egrep do anyway? Looks for matching symbols in binary packages?

09:53 <MTughan> Similar to grep, I imagine.

09:56 <MTughan> Now I'm going to kill my system... 110MB free RAM, booting a video editor. :P

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10:07 <zombie67> ultravnc works like a charm with xp 64

10:07 <zombie67> thanks!

10:28 <quail> xcamel: it is really foggy where you are

10:56 <xcamel> foggy as hell...

10:58 <BadBarbarian> happy thanksgiving everyone

11:00 <xcamel> Thanks BB

11:00 <BadBarbarian> yw

11:18 <blendtux> MTughan: wich video editor are you booting up

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11:33 <PovAddict> I need a raid0... with a proper filesystem on it too...

11:33 <PovAddict> 2GB files take long to read, even worse if they get SO fragmented

11:33 <Romulus> Same, but with no shoes but with tri-channel DDR3

11:53 <xcamel> well... all the food smells good...

11:55 <MTughan> blendtux: Sorry for the delay. I was booting iMovie.

12:04 <yoyo[RKN]> zombie67: ?

12:04 <yoyo[RKN]> do you have a windows vista system

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12:11 <MTughan> PovAddic1: Apparently, TSP had an error in it.

12:24 <MTughan> xcamel: Did you see the list that I pastebinned of egrep?

12:26 <MTughan> Oh, PovAddic1: xcamel had an error that I know we've seen before. About a missing QDomDocument.

12:26 <MTughan> "_ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev"

12:26 <PovAddic1> we saw it before from him

12:26 <PovAddic1> he never got it solved

12:26 <PovAddic1> I have seen that problem before, but not its solution :)

12:26 <MTughan> Well, it's come up again when he tried to boot Konversation.

12:26 <MTughan> Yeah.

12:27 <MTughan> quail thought he might need to install qt4-core.

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12:31 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : which mode handles the feeder tasks if I start the feeder without options

12:31 <PovAddict> I dunno, see the source? :P

12:31 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

12:37 <PovAddict> simap still has loads of work

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12:41 <xcamel> darn good dinner

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12:45 <xcamel> going back to when it happened, it was something that googleearth overwrote. one of the libs sent to /libs

12:46 <BiteAbleKat>

12:46 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - ROBO-ONE Gran Prix 2007 - Retro vs. King Kizer (at

12:46 <BiteAbleKat> king kizer is awesome

12:46 <BiteAbleKat> lol

12:47 <BiteAbleKat> i want my own chore robot

12:47 <xcamel> looks like there is a qt4 update availible too

12:47 <xcamel> available even

12:50 <MTughan> BAK: Well, those robots are a little more sophisticated than the one we have. :P

12:52 <MTughan> Anyway, xcamel: What was matched on my Fedora.

12:52 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 793694 (at

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12:59 <MTughan> BiteAbleKat: Our robot.

12:59 <Romulus> <> (at

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13:00 <PovAddict> nice

13:00 <PovAddict> what are those wheels on the top? to punch? :P

13:00 <MTughan> lol, no. Aesthetics and weight.

13:01 <PovAddict> make it a punching thing ^^

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13:01 <MTughan> Yeah, I wish... No room at this point.

13:01 <PovAddict> I see technically useless gears on the sides too

13:01 <MTughan> Yes, that's one of my team members being bored. ^^

13:01 <MTughan> They do fool other teams though!

13:01 <PovAddict> is it all from NXT kit, or are there extra pieces?

13:02 <MTughan> Everything's from the NXT except for the flag.

13:02 <Romulus> avoids spending too much of a cpdn unit supposed to look like winners?

13:03 <MTughan> Rommie: What's that supposed to mean?

13:04 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Why do yoyo WUs not report intermittent progress?

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13:05 <yoyo[RKN]> this information is not availabe MTughan

13:06 <MTughan> I can tell it's not a script because "available" is misspelled. Any reason? Or can you just not get progress from the subprocesses?

13:07 <yoyo[RKN]> the subprocess can not deliver it, becaus it can not be determined

13:08 <PovAddict> MTughan: there's just pieces like this that I don't remember seeing on the kit

13:08 <MTughan> You can't tell how long each render is going to take? Like the number of frames?

13:08 <PovAddict> do you have the educational kit?

13:08 <PovAddict> MTughan: "render"? :P

13:08 <MTughan> Yeah.

13:08 <yoyo[RKN]> yes I can't tell it

13:08 <MTughan> Isn't that what yoyo@home is?

13:08 <MTughan> Oh, nevermind...

13:09 <yoyo[RKN]> shortly: it is endless recursive algorithm which at some point decides it makes no more sence to proceed

13:10 <yoyo[RKN]> this decission can happen after some seconds or after 10 hours or after 100 hours or or or

13:11 <MTughan> PovAddict: Those pieces, those are standard half bushings. They're not in the retail kit?

13:11 <PovAddict> at least I don't remember seeing them in yellow

13:11 <MTughan> Normally they're the same gray as the full bushings.

13:11 <PovAddict> I just made a total mess! brb

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13:15 <E-30> hey

13:15 <E-30> well got vista running now

13:18 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: are you running update_stats to decay RAC?

13:18 <yoyo[RKN]> in config.xml?

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13:26 <MTughan> mweltin!

13:28 <yoyo[RKN]> yes PovAddict, every hour

13:29 <MTughan> mweltin: I'm assuming that SVN was updated with the new file with the fix.

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13:30 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : this is my config.xml part

13:30 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Unbenannt - post number 793876 (at

13:30 <Romulus> lol...i can't believe i have 20GB month data limit

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13:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: you mentioned tsp code having indentation mess...

13:33 <PovAddict> guess who else has a mess with tabs and spaces

13:34 <MTughan> Oh, nice... yoyo's config.xml?

13:34 <PovAddict> Sun

13:34 <MTughan> Sun does?

13:34 <PovAddict> did you see the source for the classes?

13:34 <MTughan> No.

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13:37 <freelarry> well just got the wife a new toy - buffet serving tray (warmer)

13:37 <freelarry> 3 bin and not for an army

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13:58 <E-30> wee i am back now vista is working bettter now

13:59 <E-30> had to do some work on it

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14:22 <freelarry> &weather 98366

14:22 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 43F / 6C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Today - Sunny. Patchy fog this morning. Highs in the mid 40s. North wind to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Areas of fog forming late. Lows in the upper 20s to mid 30s. North wind to 10 mph.; Friday - Sunny after areas of morning fog. Highs in the mid and (1 more message)

14:22 <freelarry> &more

14:22 <Romulus> freelarry: upper 40s. Light wind.;

14:23 <freelarry> black ice conditions continue for tonight - hope all the holiday travelers stay safe

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14:54 <CoderForLife> Happy Thanksgiving, freelarry

14:54 * CoderForLife wanders back to dinner prep and football

14:56 <freelarry> lol know the feeling CoderForLife - cooking preps - cleaning - getting table(s) ready - and trying to go thru the stuff in old comp room

14:57 <freelarry> finally got the 10" duct hiden behind an enclosure and made shelving under it

14:57 <freelarry> now got to get the rest of the stuff out so can tear out the old carpeting and put lamenant flooring down

14:58 <MTughan> That's "laminate".

15:10 <MTughan> mweltin: You need 2.11 Mac apps for TSP?

15:12 <xcamel> re-back

15:14 <xcamel> found that update for qt4 also

15:14 <mweltin> hey hey

15:15 <mweltin> MTughan, yes a 2.11 mac would be perfect

15:15 <MTughan> They're already done.

15:15 <Romulus> aye there was life in kansas anymore either...

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15:16 <mweltin> you got a url for those?

15:17 <MTughan> One sec...

15:17 <MTughan>

15:17 <Romulus> <> (at

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15:20 <mweltin> ok, I'm getting ready for turkey-day umu.

15:20 <mweltin> I'm going to have to slowly sneak these apps in during the day.

15:20 <mweltin> I'm on KP right now.

15:20 <mweltin> oh and thanks to crunch3r we now will have bsd support.

15:20 <mweltin> bye guys

15:21 <MTughan> Bye.

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15:37 <freelarry> min men sounds the same

15:37 * freelarry is aching from all the up/down stairs cycles

15:37 <xcamel> happy turkey, larry..

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16:01 <freelarry> roasty beasty instead xcamel ;)

16:01 <MTughan> xcamel left...

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16:01 <Romulus> WB, Boss

16:02 <MTughan> Or you just have very good timing...

16:02 <freelarry> noticed MTughan

16:02 <MTughan> <freelarry> roasty beasty instead xcamel ;)

16:03 <freelarry> shrimp, lumpia, deviled eggs, yams, mushed pot-a-oes, etc

16:04 <freelarry> but if they want alcohal to drink its BYOB

16:05 <freelarry> gots a new warming plate with 3 trays to keep things going during meal time

16:06 * freelarry thinks wifey already plotting who going to gt it after holidays

16:07 <freelarry> daughter doing the turkey and one of the boys trying to start his own holiday traditions this year

16:07 * freelarry doesn't feel comfortable going to thier places as they are nonsmokers

16:09 <xcamel> I know the feeling...

16:10 <freelarry> so you going to stop by xcamel ;) only a xcountry trip

16:10 <xcamel> got the car, mowers, and some other junk put away for the winter...

16:10 <freelarry> skies on the path paver yet?

16:10 <freelarry> or do you use a snowmobile?

16:11 <xcamel> Jeep commander for the winter

16:11 * freelarry had hard frost on ground today when i got up

16:11 <freelarry> lol getting bigger (and warmer)

16:11 <xcamel> fog and rain all day...

16:11 <freelarry> bright and sunny currently

16:12 <freelarry> nippy tho

16:12 <xcamel> wish I was still back in mexico..

16:12 <freelarry> lol yeah warm down there

16:12 <xcamel> need to reboot for kernel update..

16:12 <xcamel> bbiab

16:13 <freelarry> &weather mexicocity

16:13 <Romulus> freelarry: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

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16:13 <freelarry> &weather mexico city

16:13 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 66°F / 19°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Smoke | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 2:45 PM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:53 F. / (1 more message)

16:13 <freelarry> &more

16:13 <Romulus> freelarry: 12 C.;

16:13 <freelarry> don't even get to thier lows for my highs currently

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16:24 <Romulus> WB, Boss

16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin

16:26 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 41°F / 5°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 10:20 PM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:37 F. / 3 C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F. / 4 C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:35 F. / 2 C.;

16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> &more

16:27 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

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16:36 <yoyo[RKN]> Tank_Master: ?

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17:03 <PriitM> sweet

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17:49 * xcamel yawns

17:50 <PriitM> my ISP is piece of brown and smelly stuff

17:51 <PriitM> first it capped torrent download limit to 50kb/sec on daytime and now I'm downloading software updates from decent server at 60kb/sec

17:52 <PriitM> not by torrent

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17:57 <mweltin> PovAddict, you here?

18:00 <PovAddict> now I am

18:00 <PovAddict> PriitM: hey, at least you consider that a capping

18:01 <PovAddict> PriitM: 70KB/s is the maximum my ISP plan goes

18:01 <mweltin> hey I was wondering if you could do a mingW build of tsp_2.11

18:01 <PovAddict> PriitM: and ask mweltin before complaining about slow 'net!

18:01 <PriitM> Well, I'm paying for 4mbit connection and I get shitty 512kbit :/

18:01 <wdsmia> asks PriitM to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:02 <mweltin> how much do you pay PriitM

18:02 <PovAddict> George W Bush

18:02 <PovAddict> ...

18:02 <PovAddict> hmm didn't complain about bad language

18:02 <PovAddict> 'work'

18:02 <mweltin> I pay $75 a month for 128kb serivce taht I only get a 10% for sure.

18:02 <PovAddict> wdsmia: you gotta update your script :)

18:02 <PriitM> approx 40$ for cable tv(70 channels) and 4mbit net

18:02 <PovAddict> [#2 SIZE:89.2MiB/241.1MiB(37%) CN:2 SPD:70.89KiB/s ETA:36m33s]

18:03 <PriitM> wow, that's expensive

18:03 <PriitM> we get 15mbit here for such price

18:03 <mweltin> you should feel luck then

18:03 <PriitM> I still feel like whining :)

18:03 <PovAddict> damn, I gotta merge makefiles again

18:03 <PriitM> I finally switched to Debian

18:04 <PriitM> feels kind of comfortable

18:04 <mweltin> that is a step forward.

18:04 <mweltin> I'd suggest slackware but that is just me.

18:04 <PriitM> I consider myself silly noob, but I'm learning

18:04 <PriitM> I also tried Solaris 10 today

18:05 <PriitM> after clean installation important apps such as system monitor didn't start and crashed caused by java error

18:05 <PriitM> (not that java wasn't installed, but error in code)

18:06 <mweltin> PovAddict, where is the list of platform names.

18:06 <PovAddict> BoincPlatforms wiki page

18:06 <mweltin> thsnks

18:07 <PovAddict>

18:07 <mweltin> I dont' see one for bsd, so I'll add a new one to my project.xml

18:08 <mweltin> any suggestions on the  name ?

18:08 <mweltin> thnsk for th tsp

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18:09 <mweltin> crunch3r gave me this name  tsp_2.11_i386-portbld-freebsd

18:10 <PovAddict> to be *really* sure, ask David Anderson to add an official name to the list

18:10 <mweltin> ok, I'll hit the project mailing list.

18:11 <PovAddict> but it would be good if he could sync a bit with existing practice... that is, existing names in use

18:11 <PovAddict> wonder what the hell portbld means...

18:12 <mweltin> I have port build ?

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19:08 * xcamel yawns

19:10 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

19:11 <xcamel> Hi Mike

19:13 <MTughan> Haha! I have a 13+" flag on top of my robot now!

19:13 <MTughan> It's probably about 15" long. xD

19:18 <xcamel> ldd -r /usr/bin/konversation provides some clues..

19:19 <MTughan> I shut down Fedora already.

19:20 <xcamel> no problem

19:20 <xcamel> one of my backup drives took a powder too

19:30 * quail returns from the shopping

19:37 <xcamel> wb

19:40 <xcamel> wind now whipping up ans snowing lightly

19:43 <quail> :-)

19:45 <xcamel> er and, even

20:02 <xcamel> looking at -9C by saturday

20:03 <MTughan> Ouch...

20:03 <xcamel> &math convert 18 F to C

20:03 <Romulus> xcamel: -7.77777777778

20:03 <xcamel> close enough

20:05 <quail> &weather ypad

20:05 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 11:00 AM CST; Clear. High:71 F. / 22 C.; Clear. Low:51 F. / 11 C.; Clear. High:75 F. / 24 C.; Clear. Low:51 F. / 11 C.; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Clear. Low:55 F. / 13 C.;

20:06 <quail> xcamel: brrr that is cold

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20:16 <xcamel> &weather 12074

20:16 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 31.4F / -0.3C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1008.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain showers this evening...then partly cloudy with isolated snow showers after midnight. Much cooler with lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

20:16 <xcamel> &more

20:16 <Romulus> xcamel: precipitation 20 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. Much colder with highs in the upper 30s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Colder with lows around 13. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...becoming west around 5 mph after midnight.;

20:17 <xcamel> &math convert 13 F to C

20:17 <Romulus> xcamel: -10.5555555556

20:17 <xcamel> lol

20:17 <xcamel> not looking forward to that at all...

20:21 <xcamel> ground is a bit white now too..

20:21 <PovAddict> sn&w?

20:22 <xcamel> oh yes... there will be snow

20:22 * xcamel yawns again

20:23 <xcamel> turkey coma

20:24 <efc> moo

20:24 <MTughan> 'lo e

20:24 <efc> It never feels right, not having any work to do..

20:25 <xcamel> 'lo eddie

20:25 <xcamel> oh.. and got the snowblower out of storage

20:26 <xcamel> started on the first pull

20:33 <efc> Sweet

20:37 <efc> Doubt we'll get snow anywhere in the state this year, but who knows

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20:48 <xcamel> ya never know..

20:49 <MTughan> mweltin: Got the new Mac apps up then?

20:49 <zombie67> hi!

20:49 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

20:50 <MTughan> Oh, I'm a part of SIMAP now. :D

20:50 <MTughan> Due to PovAddict's insistence.

20:51 <zombie67> I already crunched 140,000 for SIMAP this monthly cycle

20:52 <MTughan> Yes, well you have much more resources than I do too.

20:52 <zombie67> ;)

20:52 <zombie67> finally broke 500k

20:52 <MTughan> How do you afford all of those machines?

20:53 <zombie67> I will be upgrading two of my Pentium Ds to C2 quads in a few days.

20:53 <MTughan> Oh, and the electricity.

20:53 <efc> You lose money on each one, but make it up with the volume

20:53 <zombie67> exactly!

20:54 <zombie67> need to stay away from anything less than 4 cores, to minimize power costs

20:55 <zombie67> I'm single, so I can spend my money on my hobies

20:55 <MTughan> Oh, the robot we've been working on...

20:55 <MTughan>

20:55 <Romulus> <> (at

20:56 <zombie67> neat!

20:56 <zombie67> look like all the apps listed at TSP are now 2.11

20:56 <MTughan> They should be.

20:56 <zombie67> thanks!

21:08 <zombie67> poem is increasing their fixed credits

21:08 <PovAddict> hmm

21:09 <PovAddict> they are high compared to some projects, and low compared to others

21:09 <PovAddict> 1.147 compared to leiden, for example

21:11 <zombie67>

21:11 <Romulus> <> (at

21:13 * efc considers a new monitor.. to umm, run BOINC better, yeah thats it

21:13 <PovAddict> why do they compare with seti? on average, seti gives more than those using benchmarks

21:14 <zombie67> right, because many on SETI used optimized apps

21:14 <xcamel> I finally dumped cosmo

21:14 <zombie67> also, seti counts flops, not benchmarks

21:14 <PovAddict> I know

21:15 <efc> I haven't followed the discussions... optimized s@h good, bad, indifferent, etc? I use em..

21:15 <zombie67> so comparing apples to oranges.

21:15 <PovAddict> but they should try to match the credits that benchmarks give

21:15 <zombie67> optimized apps at seti actually crunch faster, so good

21:15 <PovAddict> it's not like because a project flop-counts they can give 10x more credits per day than one with benchmarks

21:15 <PovAddict> optimized apps... that's probably the reason

21:16 <MTughan> bbiab

21:16 <PovAddict> but then again, poem shouldn't be comparing with seti since poem doesn't have special optimized apps... *that* is apples to oranges :)

21:16 <zombie67> I believe that seti tries to make the stock app = benchmark method roughly

21:17 <zombie67> optimized app is of course more

21:17 <zombie67> or rather faster

21:17 <zombie67> same amount awarded

21:18 <PovAddict> I went 81 places down on world rank today...

21:19 <zombie67> poem will be releasing optimized apps, enigma already has them

21:19 <zombie67> APS has them too

21:19 <PovAddict> does enigma have fixed credits?

21:19 <zombie67> ouch!

21:19 <zombie67> not sure

21:20 <efc> &math convert 100000 LY to km

21:20 <Romulus> efc: Error: LY is not a valid unit.

21:20 <PovAddict> LY?

21:20 <efc> &math convert 100000 lightyears to km

21:20 <Romulus> efc: 946073047258080000

21:21 <PovAddict> &units distance

21:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: valid types: mass, length, time, scheduling, temperature, temp. diff., current, charge, potential, resistance, conductance, capacitance, magn. flux, inductance, flux density, molecular qty, size of a mol, lum. intens., luminous flux, illuminance, luminance, angle, solid angle, data, data transfer, quantity, interest rate, concentration, force, area, volume, velocity, rot. velocity, fluid flow, gas (1 more message)

21:21 <PovAddict> &units length

21:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: length units: m, meter, metre, decimeter, cm, centimeter, mm, millimeter, micrometer, micron, nanometer, nm, dekameter, hectometer, km, kilometer, megameter, angstrom, fermi, barn, inch, in, inches, mil, microinch, microinches, foot, ft, feet, yard, yd, mile, mi, nautical mile, nmi, league, chain, fathom, rod, furlong, hand, cubit, point, pica, caliber, football field, marathon, au, astronomical (1 more message)

21:21 <PovAddict> &more

21:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: unit, light year, light minute, light second, parsec, kiloparsec, megaparsec, screw size, AWG, American Wire Gauge, standard gauge, zinc gauge, ring size, shoe size mens, shoe size womens

21:21 <efc> &math convert 100000 lightyears to shoe size womens

21:21 <Romulus> efc: 111740911093473993555968

21:21 <PovAddict> rofl

21:21 <efc> That clears it up for me

21:21 <efc> &math convert 100000 lightyears to AWG

21:21 <Romulus> efc: Error: Bad equation for AWG

21:22 <PovAddict> &math convert 100000 lightyears to foolball fields

21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: foolballfields is not a valid unit.

21:22 <efc> "You're gonna need a bigger wire"

21:22 <MTughan> &math convert 100000 lightyears to parsecs

21:22 <Romulus> MTughan: 30660.1393805

21:22 <PovAddict> &math convert 100000 lightyears to "foolball fields"

21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: foolballfields is not a valid unit.

21:22 <PovAddict> &math convert 100000 lightyears to "foolball field"

21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: foolballfield is not a valid unit.

21:22 <PovAddict> ...

21:22 <MTughan> Foolball or football?

21:22 <PovAddict> &math convert 100000 lightyears to football fields

21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: 10346380656803149824

21:22 <MTughan> That's a few...

21:23 <efc> I'm gonna try to simulate a galaxy semi-realistically. It creates some interesting problems doing something that physically big..

21:23 <PovAddict> need CPU time?

21:23 <efc> More with numerical accuracy and addressing

21:24 <efc> With 64 bits, you can only get down to about 50 meter accuracy over that distance

21:24 <efc> (normally doesn't matter, but sometimes it might)

21:24 <MTughan> Only?

21:24 <PovAddict> then you need to fake big integers, which is a lot slower

21:24 <MTughan> That's fairly accurate...

21:24 <PovAddict> (or are you using floating point?)

21:25 <MTughan> Yeah, floating point would hold more than int or long.

21:25 <PovAddict> well, no

21:25 <MTughan> floating point = double

21:25 <efc> No more addressable positions..

21:25 <PovAddict> double = 64-bit

21:25 <MTughan> Ah...

21:25 <efc> 64 bits is at most 2^64 distinct values, no matter how you slice it

21:25 <MTughan> And int on 64-bit CPU = 64-bit.

21:26 <PovAddict> efc: 1 light year / 2^64 = 0.5 millimeters

21:26 <efc> The first time i was dealing with it, it was for games, and flying spaceships around, and it might matter there, if you wanted one coordinate system for everything

21:26 <efc> hmm

21:26 <MTughan> &math calc (convert 100000 lightyears to ml) / 2**64

21:26 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

21:26 <MTughan> I don't know the syntax for that...

21:26 <PovAddict> square brackets

21:26 <PovAddict> and you need 'math convert'

21:27 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 100000 lightyears to ml] / 2**64

21:27 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: ml is not a valid unit.

21:27 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 100000 lightyears to millimeters] / 2**64

21:27 <Romulus> MTughan: 51286.7226584

21:27 * efc stills gets 51 meters, whats wrong..

21:27 <MTughan> Yeah, that's 51m.

21:27 <PovAddict> ah I calculated 1 light year, not 100000

21:27 <MTughan> .5 * 100000 = 50000.

21:28 <PovAddict>

21:28 <Romulus> <> (at

21:28 <efc> anyway for this, i just need +/- 1 LY precision so guess i'll use floats

21:28 <MTughan> Or that.

21:28 <MTughan> +- 1 LY? That's quite inaccurate, I would think...

21:28 <efc> I want to try to populate a simulated galaxy to test some algorithms

21:29 <MTughan> Well, maybe not. 0.001% error?

21:29 <efc> getting a halfway realistic population luminosity wise is harder than the spatial stuff

21:29 <MTughan> &math calc 1 / 100000

21:29 <Romulus> MTughan: 1e-05

21:29 <MTughan> Yeah.

21:29 <efc> I'm not sure thats even known, even if it is, it varies throughout a galaxy

21:29 <MTughan> Just seems that 1LY is a lot to be off by. Over 100,000 LYs though, it's not that bad...

21:29 <efc> so i'll just punt

21:30 <efc> Its a navigation thing, to locate your position, < 1 LY is good enough just to play with

21:30 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm used to being +- 1cm at most in my physics class. :P

21:34 <efc> I guess for the running-around-the-galaxy game, you might use 64 bits for addressing stellar objects, with another 32 or 64 bit local coordinate system, that occasionally gets normalized

21:47 <MTughan> I'm off to do some reading, and then off to bed.

21:47 <MTughan> &nn all

21:47 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

21:47 <zombie67> night!

21:47 <zombie67> bbl

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21:48 <MTughan> What the? PovAddict: Is this the issue mweltin saw? I'm comp 322.

21:48 <Romulus> <> (at

21:48 <PovAddict> it's your machine that returned invalid result

21:48 <PovAddict> <bestPath></bestPath>

21:49 <PovAddict> the reason for the app returning that is still unknown

21:49 <MTughan> Oh, how 'bout that...

21:49 <MTughan> The problem is it says that the outcome was successful, but when you look at the task by itself, it says invalid.

21:49 <PovAddict> the fixed bug is that before it was possible for the two empty ones to be marked as valid, and the correct one marked invalid because it didn't match the bad ones

21:50 <PovAddict> well, the client said it was successful, the server-side validator looked at it and said it was invalid

21:50 <MTughan> Ah...

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21:51 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a forgotten Encyclopaedia Britannica

21:51 * MTughan slaps Tank_Master_ with a dead PowerBook

21:51 <MTughan> And I'm off now...

21:52 * freelarry guesses tanks-given was successful as left overs being transported to kids house for second feast

21:52 <freelarry> as well as what they are cooking

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