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00:11 <mweltin> &weather 96799
00:11 <Romulus> mweltin: Temperature: 72°F / 22°C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h ; Today - Occasional showers with isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 80s. Variable winds 10 mph...with higher gusts in showers.; Tonight and Thursday - Scattered showers with isolated thunderstorms. Lows near 80. High near 90. Variable winds 10 (1 more message)
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01:06 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
01:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 61.5°F / 16.4°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1001.9hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 9.2mph / 14.8km/h ; Tonight - Widespread showers until early morning...then a chance of showers late. Isolated thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 30s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Thanksgiving Day - Mostly (1 more message)
01:06 <CoderForLife> &more
01:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: cloudy. A slight chance of rain and snow showers. Much cooler. Near steady temperature in the upper 30s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow showers... mainly until midnight. Cooler with lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.;
01:07 <CoderForLife> Hello Old Man Winter
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01:08 <CoderForLife> 'evening BAK
01:08 <BiteAbleKat> evening coderforlife
01:09 <CoderForLife> I couldn't sleep - sitting here listening to the wind in the trees outside
01:10 <CoderForLife> watching the weather radar
01:11 <CoderForLife> kinda peaceful, actually
01:11 <efc> hey CFL, BAK
01:11 <CoderForLife> good morning efc
01:13 * CoderForLife hears the train at the crossing off in the distance
01:15 <BiteAbleKat> tis the season
01:15 <BiteAbleKat> lol
01:15 <BiteAbleKat> heya efc
01:17 <BiteAbleKat> this is an EXCELLENT video:- http://www.pbs.org/kcet/wiredscience/video/253-geekdad_japanese_robots.html
01:17 <CoderForLife> lol "polysorbate 60"
01:17 <BiteAbleKat> yummm
01:17 <BiteAbleKat> lol
01:17 <quail> CoderForLife: hi Don, Happy Thanks Giving :-)
01:18 <CoderForLife> is it a desert topping or a floor wax?
01:18 <CoderForLife> dessert
01:18 <CoderForLife> whatever
01:18 <CoderForLife> hello quail - thanks
01:19 <quail> how are you?
01:19 <CoderForLife> I'm not sure - couldn't sleep
01:19 <quail> :-(
01:19 <CoderForLife> I'm waiting for unconsciousness to overwhelm me, ATM
01:20 <CoderForLife> so far, it's losing
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01:21 <yoyo[RKN]> morning
01:21 <CoderForLife> morning yy
01:22 <quail> afternoon yoyo[RKN]
01:23 <quail> CoderForLife: remember to save me some turkey and the stuffings please :-P
01:24 <CoderForLife> small turkey, no stuffing
01:24 <Romulus> but it was only if a Java app
01:24 <CoderForLife> put I'll set a plate out for you
01:24 <quail> thanks mate :-P
01:30 <CoderForLife> brb beverage for the wee hours
01:35 <CoderForLife> b
01:36 <quail> wb
01:36 <CoderForLife> thx
01:36 * CoderForLife hears another train in the distance
01:37 <CoderForLife> I wonder how those folks down in the river valley sleep at night
01:37 <CoderForLife> that's the 2nd train in 24 minutes
01:42 * CoderForLife continues to listen to the wind, and watch the approaching rain on radar
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01:52 * quail is back with a bowl of thia noodle soup :-)
01:54 <CoderForLife> seems like maybe I could try the bed again
01:54 <CoderForLife> cya later
01:55 <quail> night night Don
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02:01 <BadBarbarian> evening all
02:01 <yoyo[RKN]> morning
02:01 <mweltin> hey
02:02 <BadBarbarian> lol 12.00 pm here
02:02 <yoyo[RKN]> <--- 8am
02:03 <BadBarbarian> lol
02:03 <mweltin> 8:30 pm here
02:04 <BadBarbarian> lol very late at night here
02:06 <quail> afternoon BadBarbarian
02:07 <quail> happy thanks giving BadBarbarian
02:08 <BadBarbarian> thanx quail
02:09 <BadBarbarian> you too
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02:17 <quail> BadBarbarian: thanks, but we don't have thanks giving here
02:19 <BadBarbarian> sorry for you lol
02:20 <BadBarbarian> been drinking rum with friends
02:21 <BadBarbarian> lol i am drunk
02:24 <BadBarbarian> night all
02:24 <mweltin> later
02:33 <freelarry> humm no turkey but a very large roast for tomorrow
02:34 <freelarry> 2 pots of coffee some yams corn pretty well set
02:34 <yoyo[RKN]> oh
02:35 <yoyo[RKN]> <--- breakfast
02:35 <freelarry> yeah starting in 5 hrs and lasting all day
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03:28 <E-30> well i am up now
03:29 <quail> evening E-30
03:30 <CoderForLife> awake again
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03:31 <E-30> yea
03:31 <E-30> i went to sleep at 7 pm last night
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03:31 <CoderForLife> ouch
03:31 <quail> wb Don
03:32 <CoderForLife> that hurt - whatever that was
03:34 <E-30> oh well i need it
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03:41 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast I guess
03:42 <CoderForLife> what a rough night
03:42 <E-30> lol
03:42 <Romulus> (btw - do you see Rommie;s comment on that firewall
03:42 <efc> moo
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03:43 <E-30> moo back
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03:45 <sethy> moo
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03:46 <sethy> teh afk :D
03:46 <sethy> ;_;
03:46 <sethy> also lag
03:49 <E-30> lag what kind of lag
03:50 <CoderForLife> back
03:50 <E-30> oh
03:50 * CoderForLife is pretty confused
03:51 * E-30 is wtf is going now now
03:55 <quail> nothing absolutly nothing
03:56 <sethy> :o
03:57 <sethy> i has to make programs using arrays and and
03:57 <sethy> 1.Write a program that automatically stores three strings (1. Nantwhich, 2. Kings Cross, and 3. Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch).
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03:57 <sethy> ;_;
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03:58 <sethy> 'lo CoderForLife
03:59 <sethy> >:o
04:00 <sethy> dev-cpp crashed on me
04:01 <CoderForLife> hello sethy
04:01 <quail> evening sethy
04:01 <sethy> hi
04:01 <sethy> dale and don
04:01 <sethy> don and dale
04:01 <quail> :-)
04:01 <CoderForLife> dungeons and dragons
04:02 <sethy> dragons and dungeons
04:02 <sethy> had parent evening lastnight
04:02 <sethy> heared the unexpected
04:02 <CoderForLife> today will be a long sleepy day
04:02 <sethy> yeay
04:03 <CoderForLife> I've already gotten up twice
04:03 <sethy> i got to sleep at 2:00 and had to get up at 7 D:
04:05 <sethy> my tutor says i have the knoledge to be a better programmer than him, and he's been doing it for 20 years
04:05 <sethy> i was like
04:05 <sethy> O.O
04:05 <CoderForLife> wow that's great
04:05 <CoderForLife> you do know a lot
04:06 <sethy> i dont though
04:06 <sethy> i dont think i do anyway
04:06 <sethy> i lack inteligence
04:06 <sethy> hence TFFE
04:06 <CoderForLife> oh - I guess I'm wrong
04:06 <sethy> but thats my opinion
04:06 <sethy> and thats yours
04:06 <sethy> so nobody is wrong
04:07 <CoderForLife> here I was going around thinking that you knew a lot
04:07 <sethy> and also i'm apparently wise beyond my years, which is scary
04:07 * CoderForLife slaps himself
04:07 * sethy helps
04:08 * CoderForLife wonders what to do today, and what's up with the old chassis
04:08 <sethy> do some modeling?
04:08 <sethy> and i dont mean, posing
04:08 <Romulus> I'll help translating new BOINC Statistics for the boinc compile don't like torrents -- well there is one stand out canditate?
04:08 <sethy> i mean like making miniature buildings from matchsticks
04:09 <sethy> o o o heared anything as regards to dogbytes?
04:09 <sethy> last i remember he was in hospital :(
04:09 <CoderForLife> I have too many important things going on
04:09 <CoderForLife> no - I haven't heard, anything on the forums?
04:10 <sethy> i dont check the forums
04:10 <sethy> they seem messy
04:10 <CoderForLife> life is messy
04:10 <sethy> images are supported too much
04:10 * sethy makes CoderForLife some tea
04:11 * CoderForLife says thanks, and hands it to his wife who drinks tea
04:12 <CoderForLife> non-computer-related agenda for today includes T-Day dinner, cleaning the house, and getting out the Christmas decorations
04:13 <CoderForLife> of course, we'll have the football games on
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04:13 <sethy_watched> someone is watching me use firefox
04:13 <sethy_watched> make close
04:13 <sethy_watched> so i use IE for IRC
04:13 <sethy_watched> fgts
04:15 <sethy_watched> THEY IZ BLOCKINGAGE SITES :@
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04:16 <sethy_watched> i glitched firefox so they canny close
04:16 <sethy_watched> i think
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04:19 <sethy_watched> if they delete shit on my hard drive i am sueing
04:19 <wdsmia> asks sethy_watched to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
04:19 <sethy_watched> sorry
04:21 <CoderForLife> you are watched
04:21 <sethy_watched> i am being watched
04:21 <sethy_watched> god damn vnc
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04:29 * quail has fish, veg and potatoe gems for suppa
04:29 <E-30> wee
04:33 * CoderForLife has doubt for dessert
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04:33 <CoderForLife> fear is my appetizer, and uncertainty is my main course
04:34 * CoderForLife places second order for Christmas presents
04:34 <CoderForLife> getting ahead of the CyberMonday rush
04:35 <CoderForLife> I rarely shop at a physical store anymor
04:35 <CoderForLife> e
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04:36 <CoderForLife> so I absolutely avoid Black Friday
04:37 * CoderForLife considers the amount of effort to install Fedora 8 on his test server
04:42 <E-30> i see
04:46 <quail> that fish was really yummy
04:47 <E-30> cool
04:47 <quail> fresh fish is always yummy
04:48 * CoderForLife considers starting the cleaning chores that don't make a lot of noise
04:49 * CoderForLife considers sitting in his chair until those feelings go away
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04:49 <quail> ah make heaps of noise and get them to help out :-P
04:49 <CoderForLife> ah - a second vote from Germany has arrived
04:50 <CoderForLife> it is 4:49am - I need to show some respect
04:50 <E-30> i see
04:51 <quail> :-P
04:51 <E-30> :-)
04:51 <c0dewarrior> hmmmmmmm
04:52 <c0dewarrior> I see mad cow desease made it in here already
04:52 * c0dewarrior eyes CoderForLife
04:52 <E-30> lol
04:52 <quail> hehe
04:53 <E-30> well i am out
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04:53 <CoderForLife> there's not a holstein in the herd here =)
04:55 <c0dewarrior> hehehehe
04:56 <CoderForLife> The Nokia is "on sale" today on amazon.com, quail - did you get it yet?
04:56 <CoderForLife> oops - not in stock
04:57 <CoderForLife> that's interesting - they drop the price when they don't have any
04:57 <CoderForLife> to build demand?
04:58 <quail> CoderForLife: I have not got one yet
04:58 <CoderForLife> US$228.99
04:58 <CoderForLife> 43% off list price
04:59 <quail> nice :-)
04:59 <CoderForLife> did you look into ordering it from amazon?
05:02 <CoderForLife> I'm going to start some "quiet" chores - bbl
05:06 <quail> I will have to check out the fine print again
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06:21 <MTughan> And I have to be off to school... Bye.
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06:32 <E-30> ok i am back
06:41 <quail> wb
06:44 <E-30> thanks
06:44 <E-30> well how are you doing now
06:44 <quail> good thanks and you?
06:44 <E-30> i get to work on vista now
06:44 <E-30> as a dual boot system becuse of my new job
06:45 <E-30> i need to know the in and outs of it
06:46 <quail> oh, :-)
06:46 <E-30> not :-) but :-/
06:46 <E-30> ???
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06:46 <E-30> wow
06:47 <E-30> nice one
06:47 <Tidus> hola everyone
06:47 <E-30> hey '
06:47 <PriitM> hallos
06:47 <Tidus> E-30, been a while since i've seen you on
06:48 <E-30> i know
06:48 <Tidus> i've gone and replaced my entire network at home since the last time i seen you lol
06:49 <E-30> i know that
06:49 <E-30> well now i get to play with vista again
06:49 <Tidus> ouchies
06:50 <Tidus> my dually (rest in peace, finally sold that bastard machine) would only run vista or linux. something between its motherboard drivers and nvidia's video drivers would hardlock xp or 2kpro
06:50 <E-30> yea hath to learn it for my new job so i am doing a dole boot system
06:50 <E-30> wow
06:50 <E-30> how much dod you get for it
06:50 <Tidus> i gone and replaced both my tower (now an athlon-64 3500), and laptop (3 year old dell, bought used for $100, p4-2.4)
06:50 <Tidus> i sold dually for $600
06:51 <E-30> not bad
06:52 <E-30> well i am still oc on xp and it is still happy
06:53 <Tidus> my athlon-64 (2.2ghz stock) is happy at 2.6
06:53 <E-30> not bad
06:53 <E-30> 2.4 to 3.4 here
06:53 <E-30> thats good for a amd
06:55 <PriitM> impressive
06:56 <Tidus> 2.6 on stock cooling, i might add
06:56 <E-30> well i am running watter cooling on this computer
06:56 <E-30> i know how that is
06:56 <PriitM> i've reached 2.5 on my 2.2stock
06:56 <PriitM> i got horroble mobo
06:56 <Romulus> Title: iTWire - Vista take-up slow in 2007: Gartner (at www.itwire.com)
06:56 <E-30> amd 64 dont go much hight then that on watter becuse of hte mouther board
06:58 <PriitM> silly bios lets me add only 0.05V to CPU
06:58 <E-30> dam that not good
06:58 <Tidus> mine locks the multiplier but allows 0.3v vcore adjustment either way
06:58 <E-30> i am running at 1.4 v on my cpu right now
06:58 <Tidus> as well as ram voltages...
06:58 <Tidus> my mobo: MSI K9VGM-V
06:59 <Tidus> via KT890 chipset
06:59 <PriitM> I currently got vcore on auto because of CnQ
06:59 <Tidus> i have CnQ enabled on mine, but it dont work...
06:59 <Romulus> Title: computer at 3.4 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
06:59 <Tidus> it never throttles back
06:59 <PriitM> I got some dogpoop 40$ AsRock 939Dual-Vsta with uli 1695chip
06:59 <PriitM> Tidus, you're using windows?
06:59 <Tidus> PriitM, yes, that machine has xp MCE2005 on it
07:00 <PriitM> If yes, then try to change power settings to minimal
07:00 <Tidus> don't work
07:00 <PriitM> oh :<
07:00 <Tidus> it stays at 2.6ghz as reported by windows
07:00 <E-30> use cpu z
07:00 <Tidus> still reports 2.6ghz
07:00 <E-30> it will tell you everything for your cpu and ram too
07:00 <PriitM> mine lowers multiplier to 5(1ghz) and vcore to 1.1
07:00 <E-30> i see
07:01 <Tidus> 2.66 actually... 230x12
07:01 <E-30> not bad there
07:01 <Tidus> 2.2 stock... not too crappy on stock, eh?
07:01 <Tidus> stock cooling *
07:02 <PriitM> temperatures?
07:02 <Tidus> never gets over 41C
07:02 <E-30> my bus is 380
07:02 <E-30> i run at 49 50 c
07:02 <PriitM> CPU Temp: +53.5°C while running SETI@home
07:02 <E-30> and that full load
07:02 <PriitM> and I got asus silent square, which should be quite good
07:03 <PriitM> 32C idle with CnQ
07:03 <E-30> 44 c idle
07:03 <E-30> it all about my rom temp here
07:03 <E-30> room
07:04 <Tidus> mine idles at like 29C
07:04 <PriitM> i think I got some problems with thermal grease - i ran out when applying it :P
07:04 <Tidus> with room at 25
07:04 <E-30> 23.5
07:04 <E-30> c
07:05 <E-30> well time to go eat some food
07:05 <Tidus> PriitM, i'm using arctic silver 5 as thermal goo
07:05 <Tidus> i've done about 15 heatsinks with the same tube and i'm only halfway gone
07:05 <PriitM> I belive I got some mx series from artic cooling
07:05 <Tidus> the only thing is... my A64 needs more ram
07:06 <Tidus> i ran out of money when buying it, so it's only got 512mb in it
07:06 <Tidus> DDR2-667 ram
07:06 <Tidus> had to skimp on ram and cpu
07:06 <PriitM> I ran out of money when buying my PC as well - had to buy junk(40$ asrock mobo)
07:06 <Tidus> lol
07:06 <Tidus> i got cpu and mobo as a combo deal for like 90 bucks
07:06 <PriitM> bios battery socket is broken already :<
07:06 <PriitM> :O
07:07 <Tidus> socket AM2 athlon64 3500 with a MSI K9VGM-V mobo for 90 bucks
07:07 <E-30> not bad
07:07 <Tidus> paid 120 for the video card (geforce 6600gs)
07:07 <Tidus> 150 total for hdds (160+300 sata)
07:07 <Tidus> and re-used my old dvdrw
07:08 <PriitM> i bought floppy device with my pc
07:08 <PriitM> i've never used it :/
07:09 <Tidus> none of my machines have a floopy in them
07:10 <Tidus> last machine i had that had a floppy drive in it was my old p2-333 laptop
07:10 <Tidus> and even then, it didn't work
07:11 <PriitM> i used floppy device last time on my 2200+
07:11 <PriitM> i was trying out some old version of windows
07:12 <Tidus> i still have a brand new, still shrinkwrapped version of WFW3.11 and DOS 6.22
07:12 <E-30> i have one for my raid only
07:13 <Tidus> E-30, my sata controller emulates IDE for windows install, no floopy needed
07:13 <E-30> mine does not
07:13 <PriitM> mine does as well
07:14 <PriitM> by the way: does anyone know how much does OS/2 WARP boxed ver cost(with everything)
07:14 <Tidus> new version of os/2 ?
07:14 <Tidus> i thought os/2 stopped at like version 4
07:14 <PriitM> i don't actually know, i simply got this os/2 warp
07:15 <Tidus> what version?
07:15 <PriitM> i belive its ver 3
07:15 <Tidus> that came back out in the days of windows 3.10
07:16 <Tidus> probably fetch all of 20 bucks on ebay
07:16 <PriitM> bahh, i'll simply keep it for another 5-10 years
07:16 <PriitM> possibly 30 years and then buy myself a nice house for that
07:16 <Tidus> PriitM, if you wanna know how long i keep some machines in service?
07:16 <E-30> lol
07:16 <Tidus> i still have a debian 2.0 machine running
07:16 <Tidus> running kernel 2.2.28
07:17 <PriitM> debian was released in 1992, right?
07:17 <E-30> yea i think so
07:17 <Tidus> i dunno exactly when debian was first released
07:17 <Tidus> i also have an ancient laptop running RH 7.1
07:17 <PriitM> 2.0 was released in 1998 according to wikipedia
07:17 <PriitM> i ran RH 7 on my old 266mhz machine
07:18 <PriitM> in 2002/2003
07:18 <Tidus> my old p3-450 dell router right now is running debian lenny
07:18 <Tidus> lenny's the current testing distro
07:18 <Tidus> thinkin about switchin it over to slack
07:19 <PriitM> i got slackware 12 and debian 4 waiting as .iso right now
07:19 <PriitM> trying out these 'new' vers today
07:19 <PriitM> or in few days
07:19 <Tidus> newest slack i have is 11
07:19 <E-30> not bad
07:20 <Tidus> the router's running a small script called FairNAT
07:20 <E-30> what does that do
07:20 <Tidus> basically, it kiddie-scripts setting up nat, dhcp, and QoS
07:21 <Tidus> so that way my neighbor leeching off my wireless can't clog my bandwidth by downloading porn
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07:21 <PriitM> mikrotik is worth trying - great piece of software
07:21 <MTughan> Well, I was off to school.
07:21 <Tidus> because all P2P traffic is traffic shaped down to lowest priority
07:21 <MTughan> But we got a snow day today! ^^
07:22 <PriitM> snow should be illegal in my country, its awful
07:22 <E-30> lol
07:22 <E-30> you cant ban mouther nature
07:23 <MTughan> So you can't ban Mouther Nature, but you can ban Mother Nature? xD
07:23 <E-30> cool
07:23 <E-30> how
07:23 <E-30> stay inside
07:23 <MTughan> No, you misspelled it.
07:23 <MTughan> Anyway, more time for BOINC!
07:23 <E-30> oh well i do that a lot
07:24 <E-30> 5th graders can out spell me
07:24 <MTughan> lol
07:24 <Tidus> PriitM, hardened linux + iptables + fairnat = pretty solid router too
07:24 <E-30> not bad
07:25 <PriitM> Tidus, unfortunately my linux knowledge isn't that great, so I'll stick to 'easy' software :p
07:25 <Tidus> PriitM, lol
07:25 <Tidus> fairnat takes care of the iptables part
07:25 <E-30> vista 93% done down loading now
07:25 <Tidus> eww, vista
07:25 <Tidus> lol
07:25 <E-30> yea
07:25 <Tidus> i'll stick with my xp for now
07:25 <Tidus> since i only have 512mb ram
07:26 <Tidus> heck, it clogs up with less than 2gb
07:26 <E-30> i am running dule boot there
07:26 <E-30> i have 4 gigsnow
07:26 <PriitM> AFAIK XP Pro is only decent windows OS out there
07:26 <MTughan> Ah, Linux isn't that hard to use.
07:26 <MTughan> Besides, it isn't Linux you're finding hard to use. It's the GUI.
07:26 <E-30> yea
07:26 <MTughan> Tidus: I was running the beta and RCs with 1GB of RAM. ^^
07:26 <E-30> but i still game
07:26 <E-30> cool
07:27 <Tidus> MTughan, i was running ultimate with 1gb
07:27 <Tidus> ultimate RTM, that is
07:27 <Tidus> it was so freakin slow on 1gb...
07:27 <MTughan> That's the version I bought, but I haven't upgraded yet. Still on XP for my PC.
07:27 <E-30> i know
07:27 <E-30> i did beta of long horn
07:27 <MTughan> Besides, I like my Mac so much more.
07:27 <MTughan> E-30: Beta 2?
07:28 <E-30> yea
07:28 <Tidus> vista SP1 should take care of most of the performance issues...
07:28 <Tidus> i ran beta2 and RC1
07:28 <E-30> on 1.5gb or ram
07:28 <Tidus> and ultimate RTM
07:28 <MTughan> I did Beta 2 and RC1. Missed RC2.
07:28 <Tidus> MTughan, RC2 never existed, if i remember right
07:28 <E-30> and beta 1
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07:28 <E-30> in like 2004 or 5
07:28 <MTughan> No, it just went for about 1000 downloads.
07:29 <MTughan> Tidus: I read a report that Vista SP1 isn't faster at all.
07:29 <Tidus> MTughan, oh, and i forgot to mention my athlon-64 dual-boots mac OSX 10.4.9 and xp mce2005 :P
07:29 <MTughan> Traitor...
07:29 <Tidus> what, i aint spending double the money for half the machine
07:29 <Tidus> just so it can look shiny as well as run good
07:29 <MTughan> Well, get a Mac and dual-boot XP MCE then.
07:30 <Tidus> i like osx, but hate the hardware
07:30 <MTughan> They're faster.
07:30 <Tidus> can't get an intel mac for 300 bucks
07:30 <Tidus> that's all i paid for my A64
07:30 <MTughan> And you want a PC for $300?
07:30 <MTughan> You'll get a piece of s***.
07:30 <Tidus> MTughan, i only paid $300 for my A64
07:31 <MTughan> And how old is it?
07:31 <Tidus> not including the monitor of course
07:31 <Tidus> MTughan, all parts are brand new
07:31 <E-30> 94%
07:31 <MTughan> It's crap.
07:31 <Tidus> lol...
07:31 <Tidus> how little you know
07:31 <MTughan> I know you can get crap PCs here for $300.
07:31 <Tidus> running 2.66ghz on stock cooling (stock speed for that processor is 2.2)
07:31 <MTughan> I would expect to spend at least $1200.
07:31 <E-30> 2.43 gb to download is a lot
07:32 <Tidus> it's stable
07:32 <Tidus> 41C under load
07:32 <MTughan> I got my Mac laptop for $1500.
07:32 <E-30> i can make a monster box for 1600
07:32 <E-30> with no montor
07:32 <MTughan> Yeah, that's believable.
07:32 <MTughan> No sarcasm there.
07:32 <E-30> quad 6600 and 8800 gts ans 1 tb of hd and 2 gigs of ram
07:32 <Romulus> Title: Windows Vista SP1 beta lacks 'wow' | Tech news blog - CNET News.com (at www.news.com)
07:32 <Tidus> MTughan, that's the beta
07:33 <MTughan> Yes, it's a beta.
07:33 <Tidus> every windows "beta" service pack i've tried has sucked horribly
07:33 <MTughan> Because SP1 hasn't been released.
07:33 <Tidus> including sp2 beta for xp
07:34 <Tidus> MTughan, i'm not kidding when i say you don't know my machine
07:34 <MTughan> Okay, give me some specs then.
07:34 <E-30> ok
07:34 <E-30> 95%
07:34 <E-30> well my is a monster
07:34 <MTughan> What are you downloading?
07:35 <Tidus> athlon-64 3500, overclocked from 2.2 to 2.66 on stock cooling, 512mb ram (ran out of money), 460gb hd (160+300 sata), nvidia geforce 6600GS graphics
07:35 <Tidus> 22" widescreen monitor
07:35 <E-30> core 2 duo 6600 at 3.4 ghz 4 gigs of ram and 1 tb of hd and 8800 gts
07:35 <E-30> two 21 in sceptre lcd
07:35 <E-30> oh yea watter cooling
07:36 <Tidus> but to be honest... i want the new HP Blackbird 002
07:36 <E-30> thas nice
07:36 <MTughan> Core Duo T2500 at 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HD, Intel GMA950 graphics.
07:36 <E-30> iall i waht is the quad 6600 and then i will be happy
07:36 <MTughan> Yes, the graphics are s***.
07:36 <Tidus> core1 duo... not even 64 bit processor
07:36 <MTughan> So?
07:37 <Tidus> intel GMA950 graphics are easily outran by a midrange nvidia 6xxx chip
07:37 <MTughan> Yes, beat my ATI Radeon 9600.
07:37 <Tidus> i can
07:37 <E-30> lol
07:37 <Tidus> the 9600 wasn't that quick
07:37 <MTughan> Does yours have TV, FM radio, video in?
07:37 <MTughan> The ATI AIW 9600Xt.
07:37 <Tidus> yes, recycled my tv tuner card from dually
07:38 <Tidus> hauppauge PVR-250
07:38 <Tidus> dual tuner
07:38 <MTughan> Oh, and the card is three years old. ^^
07:38 <E-30> i have the usb virson
07:38 <MTughan> I need a new PC.
07:38 <Tidus> i'll admit, my video card don't have tv/fm in, but it does have svideo in and out
07:39 <MTughan> Same. Still not impressed.
07:39 <MTughan> Dual VGA out.
07:39 <Tidus> dual-dvi here
07:39 <E-30> i hat thea intel lock on the core 2 duo 6600
07:39 <Tidus> fanless
07:39 <Tidus> only takes up one slot
07:39 <E-30> then i cold push it obver 4 ghz
07:39 <MTughan> Oh, I was surprised that Vista Aero works on the GMA950 too!
07:39 <E-30> yea same here
07:39 <Tidus> yep, but slows it down massively
07:40 <MTughan> It's not bad, actually.
07:40 <Tidus> my friend bought a laptop with GMA950 graphics... under vista, world of warcraft ran at about 13fps with everything turned down
07:40 <E-30> well they need to come out with something better for dx10
07:40 <Tidus> under xp pro, runs at about mid 30s with everything set in the middle
07:40 <E-30> the games kill the 8800 series
07:40 <MTughan> It's a low end graphics card.
07:41 <Tidus> the rest of that computer is low-end
07:41 <MTughan> If I had had the money for a MacBook Pro, I could've gotten a nice ATI or Nvidia card.
07:41 <Tidus> my friend's acer laptop has the T2600 in it
07:41 <E-30> well time to go eat at last i think
07:41 <MTughan> Tidus: 667MHz Memory. That ain't exactly low quality.
07:41 <E-30> hame and good food
07:42 <Tidus> nice... have fun E-30
07:42 <E-30> thats what i am running now
07:42 <Tidus> MTughan, that's pretty much standard on any core1duo or c2d
07:42 <MTughan> Tidus: Your processor, is it even dual-core?
07:42 <Tidus> that's what i got in my A-64
07:42 <Tidus> MTughan, no, not dual-core, but at least it's 64 bit capable
07:42 <MTughan> Meh.
07:42 <MTughan> I like my dual-core.
07:43 <Tidus> kinda pointless when it's being held back by a poop-ish graphics chip
07:43 <MTughan> Does BOINC need a good graphics card?
07:43 <MTughan> Needs CPU more than anything else.
07:43 <Tidus> i don't boinc on laptops
07:43 <Tidus> the fans get too noisy
07:44 <MTughan> Uh huh...
07:44 <Tidus> and they burn my legs
07:44 <MTughan> Use a desk.
07:44 <Tidus> not enough room on my desk for 4 comps
07:44 <Tidus> the laptop was the newest purchase
07:44 <MTughan> 4 comps? Why do you have that many?
07:44 <Tidus> so it doesn't get any room
07:44 <Tidus> router, gf's pc, my a64, and the laptop
07:45 <MTughan> Router's hardly a PC.
07:45 <Tidus> most of the regulars in here have at least 6
07:45 <PriitM> I got 4 and I got small apartment :<
07:45 <Tidus> spit_theDog has like 16... and she's in her early 50s
07:46 <MTughan> Here we go... Stock MBP. 2.2GHz C2D, 2GB RAM, 120GB HD, Nvidia 8600M graphics.
07:46 <Tidus> not bad, but starting at a price tag way out of my range
07:46 <MTughan> $2200 CDN.
07:46 <Tidus> whereas i can get a dell with the same specs for about 600 less
07:47 <MTughan> Laptop?
07:47 <Tidus> yeah
07:47 <MTughan> Really.
07:47 <Tidus> it's no secret that apple's computers are priced higher than competition.
07:47 <PriitM> we got kind of local brand laptop with similar specs for 1200$ or so
07:47 <Tidus> if you believe that they aren't, i call you an iSheep and /ignore
07:47 <MTughan> Tidus: Similarly compared Mac Pro and Dell, Dell's more.
07:48 <MTughan> I don't know about the laptops.
07:48 <Tidus> that's a professional workstation
07:48 <MTughan> Yeah.
07:48 <Tidus> i've worked on one of those
07:48 <Tidus> they weigh about 80lbs
07:48 <MTughan> lol, yeah.
07:48 <Tidus> whereas the mac pro weighs about 55
07:49 <Tidus> dell's also got a beefier power supply in it
07:49 <MTughan> Um... Okay that's out of my price range. Top of the line MBP, full everything. Almost $8000 CDN!
07:49 <Tidus> yeah, see, top of the line dell would only run about $4400 US
07:50 <Tidus> i'm not factoring accessories price into the machine cost
07:50 <Tidus> i'm looking at computer only
07:51 <MTughan> 2.6GHz C2D, 4GB RAM, 200GB HD, High-res display (1920x1200 on a 17"), 30" external monitor, iWork, Aperature, Logic Express preinstalled, iMac, and extra warranty.
07:51 <MTughan> It's a nice machine, for sure.
07:51 <Tidus> machine only
07:51 <MTughan> Yeah...
07:51 <Tidus> so drop the 30" shiny lcd
07:51 <Tidus> lol
07:51 <MTughan> For something that I'd like, $4700.
07:52 <E-30> well i have about 3000 in my computer now
07:52 <Tidus> personally, for a laptop, i'm happy with my old dell 5100
07:52 <E-30> not bad ofr
07:52 <Tidus> that i paid 100 bucks for
07:52 <MTughan> C2D 2.6GHz, 4GB RAM, 200GB HD, DVD+-RW DL 8x, and warrany.
07:52 <MTughan> warranty*
07:52 <E-30> middle of the line on processer but i give it the edage with watter cooling
07:53 <Tidus> p4-2.4 with 512mb ram, 60gb hdd, dvd/cdrw combo
07:53 <E-30> well vista is at 96%now
07:53 <MTughan> Yeah. I've got a Prescott 2.8GHz in my PC. I tried overclocking it to 3.0Ghz once, and it went up to 80C on the stock Intel processor. :P
07:53 <MTughan> s/processor/cooler/
07:53 <Tidus> they dont call it "preshott" for nothing
07:54 <MTughan> I think you said that one before...
07:54 <Tidus> but the core microarchitecture is based on prescott
07:54 <MTughan> But it's much cooler.
07:54 <Tidus> my p4 2.4 in this laptop ... can't remember which one it is
07:54 <Tidus> heck, i don't even know what fsb it is
07:54 <MTughan> Now my CD is running at 81C right now, but that's at full load on a laptop cooler.
07:55 <Tidus> there were 3 different p4-2.4s
07:55 <MTughan> lol
07:55 <Tidus> 81c = OUCH
07:55 <MTughan> Well, the P4 was running that at idle. :P
07:55 <Tidus> under load, this dell barely touches the bottom end of 50
07:55 <MTughan> And this processor can take up to 100C.
07:55 <MTughan> The Dell, I bet it's a single core.
07:55 <Tidus> yeah, older p4
07:56 <Tidus> and i'd rather keep my leg hairs...
07:56 <MTughan> That's why. I have at least twice as much stuff being done.
07:56 <Tidus> 100C on my lap isn't worth the hospital visit
07:56 <MTughan> I'm running TSP and WCG right now.
07:56 <MTughan> lol
07:56 <Tidus> i don't boinc on lappys
07:57 <Tidus> mostly because mine does see use more than 4 feet away from the wall
07:57 <MTughan> The only thing I don't like about Mac OS X is that it uses a heck of a lot of memory.
07:58 <Tidus> actually, it only appears that way
07:58 <MTughan> Kernel alone is taking more than 200MB of RAM.
07:58 <MTughan> WindowServer is taking 150MB.
07:58 <MTughan> And my IRC client is over 100MB.
07:58 <Tidus> last rebooted when?
07:58 <MTughan> 12 days ago.
07:58 <Tidus> hm...
07:59 <MTughan> Actually, coming up on 13.
07:59 <Tidus> don't remember when i last restarted this laptop
07:59 <Tidus> but grand total i'm using 302mb
07:59 <MTughan> I need to restart soon though, because 10.4.11 is available.
07:59 <Tidus> my irc client is only using 4.7mb
07:59 <MTughan> You're on XP ATM?
07:59 <Tidus> ya
08:00 <Tidus> laptop runs xp pro
08:00 <MTughan> Yeah, I know XP is much better at that.
08:00 <PriitM> my current ubuntu takes 420mb with irc, gnome and seti running
08:00 <Tidus> under linux i'd be using less than 128mb for just irc and X
08:00 <MTughan> I don't think SETI takes that much RAM.
08:00 <Tidus> i don't use gnome... i'm more of a minimalist WM kinda person
08:00 <MTughan> Well, the IRC client is subjective too.
08:01 <MTughan> On Linux, I like Fedora, KDE, and Konversation.
08:01 <PriitM> hmm, i got 8x seti apps running, 36mb each
08:01 <Tidus> CTCP/VERSION reply from Tidus : HydraIRC v0.3.151 (19/November/2005) by Dominic Clifton aka Hydra - #HydraIRC on EFNet
08:01 <MTughan> 8 of them?! Well, that could explain some...
08:01 <PriitM> as some, sleeping tasks
08:01 <PriitM> ah*
08:02 <Tidus> that's why.
08:02 <MTughan> PriitM's using XChat.
08:02 <MTughan> XChat is nice...
08:02 <Tidus> xchat runs on osx btw...
08:02 <MTughan> I know, I have it.
08:02 <PriitM> 8.1mb of ram usage after several hours of chatting/idling
08:02 * Tidus prefers irssi on ... just about all OSes
08:02 <MTughan> On #ubuntu too?
08:03 <PriitM> yes
08:03 <MTughan> I'm using Colloquy right now. Mac OS X specific client.
08:03 * Tidus uses irssi on his hackintosh
08:03 <MTughan> PriitM: I can even tell you the kernel version you're using. ^^
08:03 <PriitM> oh really? :P
08:03 <MTughan> 2.6.20-16-generic on an i686.
08:03 <Tidus> [07:03] CTCP/VERSION reply from PriitM : XChat-GNOME IRC Chat 0.16 Linux 2.6.20-16-generic [i686]
08:04 <PriitM> right
08:04 <MTughan> Tidus: Oh, you spoiled it! :P
08:04 <Tidus> which means you might oughta upgrade from ubuntu 7.04 ....
08:04 <PriitM> :P
08:04 <MTughan> Yeah, Gutsy seems nice.
08:04 <PriitM> I feel like 7.10 is slightly too fresh yet
08:05 <Tidus> it's plenty stable
08:05 <MTughan> It seems stable.
08:05 <Tidus> and compiz by default :P
08:05 <MTughan> Yay, compiz! ^^
08:05 <PriitM> I tried updating after ~week it came out and it ruined my system :>
08:05 <MTughan> Oh...
08:05 <Tidus> PriitM, how did you go about updating it?
08:05 <PriitM> at that point login screen window still had debian logo
08:05 <E-30> lol
08:05 <MTughan> wb E
08:06 <Tidus> wb E-30
08:06 <MTughan> So while Tidus and I can't agree on hardware, we can agree on OS.
08:06 <Tidus> lol
08:06 <MTughan> I like OS X myself, but Linux is king in graphics effects.
08:06 <Tidus> sorry MT, just can't stand apple locked hardware
08:06 <MTughan> Well, Boot Camp helps.
08:07 <Tidus> still locked hardware
08:07 <MTughan> Yeah.
08:07 <Tidus> won't boot xp on its own
08:07 <Tidus> needs boot camp to emulate BIOS
08:07 <MTughan> Because it uses EFI.
08:07 <MTughan> Yeah.
08:07 <Tidus> which slows it down terribly
08:07 <MTughan> How old is BIOS now? Close to 30 years?
08:07 <Tidus> yeah, but if yer gonna run windows...
08:08 <MTughan> Well, let's complain to Microsoft that they're using legacy technologies!
08:08 <MTughan> Hehe...
08:08 <Tidus> some amd64 machines can be configured to boot from efi
08:08 <MTughan> How did you boot OS X 10.4.9 on your machine?
08:09 <MTughan> I'm sure it can't boot from BIOS.
08:09 <Tidus> wouldn't you like to know :P
08:09 <Tidus> nah... hacked darwin kernel
08:09 <MTughan> I don't care, I'm just curios.
08:09 <MTughan> curious*
08:09 <MTughan> Ah...
08:09 <MTughan> So you modded the kernel to boot from BIOS?
08:10 <Tidus> i just script kiddied it. someone else did it
08:10 <MTughan> Hehe... That works.
08:10 <Tidus> i'm not the only one in this world whos running a hackintosh
08:10 <MTughan> I know.
08:10 <xcamel> 'lo
08:10 <Tidus> hi xcamel
08:10 <MTughan> 'lo Jat
08:10 <MTughan> Jay*
08:12 <Tidus> MTughan, now granted, i cant use a ps/2 mouse or keyboard, and i can only install to a sata drive at the moment... but otherwise it's functional
08:12 <MTughan> Hey, Tidus: Have you seen anything of iLife '08?
08:12 <Tidus> nope... sure havent
08:12 <MTughan> I'm wondering if it's worth the upgrade. I heard iMovie was dumbed down.
08:12 * Tidus has final cut pro universal...
08:12 <MTughan> *Envy*
08:13 <Tidus> and office 2004
08:13 <MTughan> If I had money, I'd get Final Cut Studio.
08:13 <Tidus> so i dont need iLife
08:13 <MTughan> Ah, not one for Office.
08:13 <MTughan> Tidus: You're thinking of iWork.
08:13 <Tidus> oops
08:13 <Tidus> got that one backward
08:13 <MTughan> I use OOo myself.
08:13 <Tidus> i use OO.o on my xp machines
08:14 <Tidus> but that copy of office 2k4 was a free gift
08:14 <MTughan> It's a nice suite.
08:14 <MTughan> Hehe... Well, take what you can get.
08:14 <MTughan> Besides, OOo on OS X runs under X11. So I use NeoOffice.
08:15 <MTughan> It's a Java port of OOo.
08:15 <Tidus> final cut pro was *cough*cough*hack*wheeze*
08:15 <MTughan> So it's pirated?
08:15 <Tidus> >:D
08:15 <CoderForLife> re-hi
08:15 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
08:15 <Tidus> re-hi CoderForLife
08:16 <CoderForLife> hello MTughan Tidus
08:16 <CoderForLife> hello xcamel
08:16 <Romulus> i wish i could use a crazy few hours longer?
08:16 <xcamel> 'lo Don
08:16 <CoderForLife> cooling off outside
08:17 <MTughan> We got a snow day today! ^^
08:17 <Tidus> CoderForLife, i know what you mean about the snow...
08:17 <Tidus> er... cold
08:17 <CoderForLife> yip yip yippee
08:17 <CoderForLife> Jay has got some fog going-on
08:18 <MTughan> Hey, there's a special CAD for today too.
08:18 <xcamel> icy fog
08:19 <CoderForLife> extra special nice
08:19 <xcamel> uh-huh
08:20 <CoderForLife> I've been cleaning this morning - sweeping and mopping - something they don't teach you in Coder school
08:20 <xcamel> check the fall trip pics..
08:20 <CoderForLife> I looked at them early this morning - is that some kind of large shell you wife is holding?
08:20 <CoderForLife> and that's some spider
08:21 <xcamel> that is a whale flipper bone
08:21 <Tidus> lol...
08:21 <CoderForLife> ah
08:21 <xcamel> and Sinor T. Rantula
08:21 <E-30> lol
08:21 <CoderForLife> Si
08:22 <CoderForLife> el grande
08:22 <xcamel> never could get a picture of Ricardo the iguana
08:22 <CoderForLife> camera shy?
08:22 <xcamel> very
08:26 <E-30> yea
08:26 <E-30> same here
08:26 <MTughan> You have an iguana?
08:27 <E-30> naa cant in the army
08:29 <E-30> well vista at least will have a 250 gb hd to work with
08:29 <E-30> but xp will have a 533gb hd to work with
08:29 <MTughan> You want to give it to Microsoft? lol
08:29 <MTughan> Nice...
08:29 <MTughan> 750GB drive?
08:29 <E-30> naa but that what the os is going to running on
08:30 <E-30> i have like 5 tb of hds now
08:30 <E-30> all of them are less the 600gb
08:30 <MTughan> Wow...
08:30 <E-30> each
08:30 <E-30> i do fansubs a lot
08:30 <MTughan> lol
08:31 <E-30> amine
08:31 <E-30> i have like 500 gb alone of that
08:31 <E-30> 50 gb of music and i dont know about of moves and music vids
08:32 <xcamel> 'lo E
08:32 <E-30> hey xcamel how are you today
08:32 <xcamel> good enough
08:32 <E-30> i aht to learn vista now
08:32 <E-30> hath
08:33 <Tidus> E-30, the correct word is have
08:33 <MTughan> "hath" works in there.
08:33 <E-30> may be
08:33 <MTughan> "I hath to learn Vista now", that's valid English.
08:34 * xcamel still hates vista
08:34 <Tidus> either way works.... i'm just a grammar nazi, and i can't help it sometimes :(
08:34 <xcamel> &version
08:34 <Romulus> xcamel: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs. The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
08:35 <E-30> cool
08:35 <E-30> &donkeyscoffee
08:35 <Romulus> Here's your coffee three or four lumps!! BANG!
08:36 <E-30> lol
08:37 <yoyo[RKN]> nice hint
08:37 <Tidus> &larrycoffee
08:37 <yoyo[RKN]> <--- coffee making
08:37 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo
08:37 <Tidus> hah...hah.
08:37 <E-30> &coffee
08:37 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?
08:37 <E-30> theres what i need
08:37 <MTughan> Early morning?
08:38 <Tidus> lol
08:38 <E-30> no jest people wont leave me alone i am rudy to kill them today
08:38 <E-30> redy
08:38 <MTughan> ready*
08:38 <yoyo[RKN]> just heating the coffee system
08:38 <E-30> there
08:39 <E-30> well need to restart now to get vista working now
08:39 *** E-30 has quit IRC
08:39 <MTughan> See ya...
08:39 <MTughan> Darn, too late.
08:40 <yoyo[RKN]> making cappuccino http://www.appliancist.com/delonghi-magnifica-espresso-machine.jpg
08:41 <MTughan> Nice machine...
08:41 * MTughan doesn't drink coffee
08:41 <yoyo[RKN]> tasty coffee I ever got
08:46 <xcamel> combate coffee is pretty good.. when you can get it...
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08:48 * quail cracks open a beer
08:48 <Tidus> heya quail
08:49 <quail> hey Tidus
08:53 <CoderForLife> I posted a link earlier that indicated that 9% of PCs "hath" Vista now.
08:53 * CoderForLife is late to the conversation
08:53 <Tidus> lol CFL
08:53 <Romulus> this looks like an ammusment park with free anti-virus? shaftware?
08:55 <Tidus> i still hate vista...
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09:01 <MTughan> 'lo zombie
09:01 <zombie67> hi!
09:02 <zombie67> I was just reading the TSP news, and thinking about you.
09:02 <MTughan> Oh?
09:02 <zombie67> new version?
09:02 <MTughan> I haven't heard anything about that...
09:02 <MTughan> If SVN is updated though, I can make it in a flash.
09:03 <zombie67> "Look for the 2.11 version of tsp soon."
09:03 <MTughan> Yeah, just read it now.
09:03 <zombie67> have you talked to him in the past (say) 12 hours?
09:04 <MTughan> No, but I've only been awake for 3.
09:04 <zombie67> BTW, happy thanksgiving!
09:04 <MTughan> It is indeed updated...
09:04 <MTughan> Canada. We already had Thanksgiving. :P
09:04 <MTughan> There is a new CAD about that though...
09:04 <zombie67> d'oh! right!
09:05 <MTughan> I think xcamel and CoderForLife are in the States though.
09:05 <zombie67> what is boxing day?
09:05 <MTughan> Dec 26th.
09:05 <MTughan> No actual holiday, just a big shopping day I think.
09:05 <zombie67> I mean, what is it, and what does the name come from?
09:05 <zombie67> boxing up xmas ornaments?
09:05 <MTughan> Okay, new TSP apps made, just need mweltin.
09:06 <MTughan> Could be.
09:06 <MTughan> That's the kind of time a Makefile can save. :D
09:07 <zombie67> cool!
09:07 <zombie67> Oh! BRUP has more work!
09:07 <MTughan> They still have work? Wow...
09:07 <zombie67> new batch. they were out of work last night
09:07 <MTughan> Ah.
09:09 <xcamel> yup -- turkey day here
09:09 <yoyo[RKN]> hi zombie67
09:09 <yoyo[RKN]> you got an evo wu
09:09 <MTughan> Ooh.. turkey...
09:09 <zombie67> hi yoyo!
09:09 <zombie67> yeah, a bunch of them!
09:09 <xcamel> &weather 12074
09:09 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 36.5°F / 2.5°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Areas of fog early this morning. Rain likely. Highs in the upper 50s. Temperature falling into the upper 40s this afternoon. South winds around 5 mph...becoming southwest 10 to 15 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - (1 more message)
09:09 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin
09:09 <xcamel> &more
09:09 <Romulus> xcamel: Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain and snow showers or sleet in the evening. Cooler with lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. Much colder with highs in the mid 30s. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;
09:09 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 45Â°F / 7Â°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 2:50 PM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:37 ° F. / 3 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:35 ° F. / 2 ° C.;
09:09 <MTughan> Ah, we're colder now...
09:09 <xcamel> dense fog
09:09 <MTughan> &weather Toronto
09:10 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 28Â°F / -2Â°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 9:08 AM EST; Today - Snow at times heavy. Snow mixed with freezing rain and ice pellets early this morning and with ice pellets this morning. Snow and ice pellet amount 5 to 10 cm(2.0 to 3.9 in). Wind northeast 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 (1 more message)
09:10 <MTughan> &more
09:10 <Romulus> MTughan: km/h (31 mph) becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) late this afternoon. Temperature falling to -2C(28F) by evening.; Tonight - Light snow ending early this evening then cloudy periods. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light near midnight. Low -10C(14F).; Friday - Sunny. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) early in the afternoon. High -2C(28F).;
09:10 <zombie67> are they being issued under the beta setting, or the evo setting?
09:10 <MTughan> Had a bear of a time clearing the cars of ice...
09:10 <xcamel> always a fun time..
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09:11 <yoyo[RKN]> both
09:11 * CoderForLife returns after telling Louie to sweep the bedroom, bathroom and master closet
09:11 <yoyo[RKN]> evo and beta must be set
09:12 <xcamel> which one of you linux kiddies wants to track down a pesky lib error?
09:12 <Tidus> uhoh
09:12 <zombie67> ah
09:12 <Tidus> what distro, what library
09:12 <MTughan> xcamel: What kind of error?
09:12 <xcamel> fc7, kde, konversation
09:12 <MTughan> Undefined symbol, missing shared library, corrupted?
09:12 <xcamel> Undefined symbol
09:13 <MTughan> Those are the worst... Which library?
09:13 <xcamel> symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev
09:13 <MTughan> Hey, we've seen that before... QDomDocument...
09:13 <xcamel> I know.. I cant find it
09:13 <xcamel> few if any links on google
09:13 <Tidus> i'm not much for fedora, but i'd say you have a corrupted kde issue
09:14 <MTughan> Well, I have the same system in my VM if you want the library.
09:14 <Tidus> it's part of kdelibs
09:14 <zombie67> aaargh! One of my 8-way machines had *4* threads locked up with milkyway popups.
09:14 <MTughan> Yeah, libkdeui.so.4.2.0. 3.4MB.
09:15 <xcamel> it has something to do with either glibc or qt libs
09:15 <MTughan> Want it?
09:15 <xcamel> I have it, but what is the size etc?
09:15 <MTughan> What about an MD5?
09:16 <MTughan> Or a SHA-1?
09:16 <MTughan> Hmm... How do I do an MD5 in FC7?
09:16 <MTughan> I've got a SHA-1.
09:17 <Tidus> MTughan, md5sum
09:17 <Tidus> common to all linuxes
09:17 <xcamel> 9bd75a54a069def54d7e3c72be1bc68e /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4.2.0
09:17 <MTughan> 76bca1c9105de54f615e8ad774eada08
09:17 <xcamel> huh..
09:17 <MTughan> Those are different all right...
09:18 <xcamel> just a sec ... version of kde?
09:18 <MTughan> Uh... How do I check that?
09:18 <xcamel> 3.5.7-22.fc7
09:18 <Tidus> kcontrol --version ?
09:18 <xcamel> control center
09:18 <MTughan> kcontrol worked. 3.5.6-22.fc7.
09:18 <MTughan> Sorry...
09:19 <xcamel> ah hah
09:19 <MTughan> 3.5.7*
09:19 <MTughan> Typo/
09:20 <MTughan> 3.5.7-22.fc7 for KDE, 3.5.7-21.fc7 for control centre.
09:20 <MTughan> 3.3.8 for QT.
09:20 <xcamel> size=3388344
09:20 <MTughan> Same size at least.
09:20 <xcamel> date=2007-09-01
09:20 <Tidus> it should still work if it's the same version or newer
09:21 <MTughan> 14:56?
09:21 <xcamel> see if you can send it
09:21 <xcamel> same time too
09:22 <MTughan> Hold on, VMs being slow.
09:22 <xcamel> or put it somewhere I can dl it
09:22 * xcamel sucks on some more coffee
09:23 <MTughan> What's the FTP client in FC7? Graphical, not ftp.
09:23 <xcamel> can you dcc?
09:23 <MTughan> Probably...
09:23 <xcamel> gftp
09:23 <Tidus> MTughan, konqueror can do ftp
09:24 <xcamel> yes it can - brain on slow mode
09:24 <MTughan> Konqueror can do FTP? Sweet...
09:24 <Tidus> been able to do that for like ... ages.
09:24 <xcamel> indeed
09:27 <zombie67> I need a recomendation for a free VNC server for XP64. I currently use TightVNC, but that isn't working with XP64 very well.
09:27 <Tidus> zombie67, ultravnc maybe?
09:28 <Tidus> for windows to windows i normally just turn on remote desktop
09:28 <zombie67> I am running the client on a mac, so remote desktop doens't work for me. Thanks. I'll look into ultravnc
09:30 <MTughan> Ah... zombie67: When they talked about the error in TSP, I was at school. :P
09:30 <CoderForLife> bbl
09:30 <MTughan> sy
09:31 <Tidus> zombie67, really?
09:31 <Tidus> the nx client can connect to windows RDP
09:31 <Romulus> Title: NoMachine NX - Desktop Virtualization and Remote Access Management Software (at www.nomachine.com)
09:31 <Tidus> their client speaks the windows remote desktop protocol
09:32 <xcamel> nuts.. didn't fix it
09:32 <MTughan> You can also get remote-desktop for Mac.
09:32 <MTughan> Right from Microsoft.
09:32 <MTughan> xcamel: Same error?
09:32 <xcamel> yes
09:32 <MTughan> kcontrol --version, what's your QT version?
09:33 <xcamel> 3.3.8
09:33 <MTughan> Same as mine...
09:34 <xcamel> yup
09:34 <Tidus> the problem goes deeper
09:34 <Tidus> ldd <that library file name> and see what that spits out
09:34 <MTughan> Google doesn't have anything on the logs...
09:34 <xcamel> a crapload of other libs
09:35 <Tidus> could be any one of those
09:35 <MTughan> Anything to do with QT in there?
09:36 <xcamel> not that I can see
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09:38 <zombie67> I'll give RDC for mac a shot. thanks!
09:39 <MTughan> xcamel: libqt-mt.so.3
09:39 <xcamel> egrep -r '_ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev' /usr/lib/
09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/libkio.so.4 matches
09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/libknewstuff.so matches
09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/linguist-qt4 matches
09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/linguist matches
09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qdbus matches
09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qdbusviewer matches
09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qt3to4 matches
09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/qt4/bin/uic3 matches
09:40 <xcamel> Binary file /usr/lib/libkonq.so matches
09:41 <zombie67> how do I turn on remote desktop at the remote machine?
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09:41 <MTughan> It's in System Properties on XP.
09:41 <MTughan> xcamel: Is that all?
09:41 <MTughan> I have more than 50 at this point, and it's still going.
09:42 <MTughan> Probably close to 100.
09:43 <xcamel> all it could find
09:44 <MTughan> I'm gonna have to pastebin this...
09:44 <quail> xcamel: hi, happy thanks giving to you :-)
09:44 <xcamel> Thanks, Q
09:45 <quail> hope you are having a good thanks giving Jay
09:45 <xcamel> wish I could get rid of this half-assed cold
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09:45 <quail> hope you get better soon too ;-)
09:45 <xcamel> thanks
09:46 <MTughan> Okay, redoing the search over SSH to make copying and pasting easier...
09:46 <quail> bit under month for me to get the taste of the xmas turkey
09:46 <xcamel> searching all of /usr
09:46 <MTughan> So tempting...
09:47 <quail> locate /usr <file name>
09:47 <MTughan> egrep.
09:47 <xcamel> egreping
09:47 <MTughan> "egrep -r '_ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev' /usr/lib/"
09:47 <zombie67> ah. it requires I have a passwd set up
09:48 <MTughan> xcamel: libkdeui matches here.
09:48 <xcamel> many of the other binaries that need that symbol run fine...
09:49 <xcamel> wierd.. doesn't match here
09:49 <MTughan> Oh, should be noted that I have GNOME installed too.
09:50 <quail> MTughan: you might need to install qt4-core
09:50 <MTughan> I have it. xcamel's the one with the error.
09:50 <MTughan> I would think I have it anyway.
09:51 <MTughan> libsudoku-gui?
09:51 <MTughan> Seems I installed a Sudoku game and forgot about it...
09:52 <xcamel> bbiab.. need to go feed...
09:52 <MTughan> For you when you get back. 202 matches.
09:52 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 793694 (at www.pastebin.ca)
09:53 <MTughan> That was just /usr/lib, I don't want to see /usr. :P
09:53 <MTughan> What does egrep do anyway? Looks for matching symbols in binary packages?
09:53 <MTughan> Similar to grep, I imagine.
09:56 <MTughan> Now I'm going to kill my system... 110MB free RAM, booting a video editor. :P
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10:07 <zombie67> ultravnc works like a charm with xp 64
10:07 <zombie67> thanks!
10:28 <quail> xcamel: it is really foggy where you are
10:56 <xcamel> foggy as hell...
10:58 <BadBarbarian> happy thanksgiving everyone
11:00 <xcamel> Thanks BB
11:00 <BadBarbarian> yw
11:18 <blendtux> MTughan: wich video editor are you booting up
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11:33 <PovAddict> I need a raid0... with a proper filesystem on it too...
11:33 <PovAddict> 2GB files take long to read, even worse if they get SO fragmented
11:33 <Romulus> Same, but with no shoes but with tri-channel DDR3
11:53 <xcamel> well... all the food smells good...
11:55 <MTughan> blendtux: Sorry for the delay. I was booting iMovie.
12:04 <yoyo[RKN]> zombie67: ?
12:04 <yoyo[RKN]> do you have a windows vista system
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12:11 <MTughan> PovAddic1: Apparently, TSP had an error in it.
12:24 <MTughan> xcamel: Did you see the list that I pastebinned of egrep?
12:26 <MTughan> Oh, PovAddic1: xcamel had an error that I know we've seen before. About a missing QDomDocument.
12:26 <MTughan> "_ZN12QDomDocumentC1Ev"
12:26 <PovAddic1> we saw it before from him
12:26 <PovAddic1> he never got it solved
12:26 <PovAddic1> I have seen that problem before, but not its solution :)
12:26 <MTughan> Well, it's come up again when he tried to boot Konversation.
12:26 <MTughan> Yeah.
12:27 <MTughan> quail thought he might need to install qt4-core.
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12:31 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : which mode handles the feeder tasks if I start the feeder without options
12:31 <PovAddict> I dunno, see the source? :P
12:31 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)
12:37 <PovAddict> simap still has loads of work
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12:41 <xcamel> darn good dinner
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12:45 <xcamel> going back to when it happened, it was something that googleearth overwrote. one of the libs sent to /libs
12:46 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - ROBO-ONE Gran Prix 2007 - Retro vs. King Kizer (at www.youtube.com)
12:46 <BiteAbleKat> king kizer is awesome
12:46 <BiteAbleKat> lol
12:47 <BiteAbleKat> i want my own chore robot
12:47 <xcamel> looks like there is a qt4 update availible too
12:47 <xcamel> available even
12:50 <MTughan> BAK: Well, those robots are a little more sophisticated than the one we have. :P
12:52 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 793694 (at www.pastebin.ca)
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12:59 <MTughan> BiteAbleKat: Our robot. http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/DSC03219.jpg
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13:00 <PovAddict> nice
13:00 <PovAddict> what are those wheels on the top? to punch? :P
13:00 <MTughan> lol, no. Aesthetics and weight.
13:01 <PovAddict> make it a punching thing ^^
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13:01 <MTughan> Yeah, I wish... No room at this point.
13:01 <PovAddict> I see technically useless gears on the sides too
13:01 <MTughan> Yes, that's one of my team members being bored. ^^
13:01 <MTughan> They do fool other teams though!
13:01 <PovAddict> is it all from NXT kit, or are there extra pieces?
13:02 <MTughan> Everything's from the NXT except for the flag.
13:02 <Romulus> avoids spending too much of a cpdn unit supposed to look like winners?
13:03 <MTughan> Rommie: What's that supposed to mean?
13:04 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Why do yoyo WUs not report intermittent progress?
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13:05 <yoyo[RKN]> this information is not availabe MTughan
13:06 <MTughan> I can tell it's not a script because "available" is misspelled. Any reason? Or can you just not get progress from the subprocesses?
13:07 <yoyo[RKN]> the subprocess can not deliver it, becaus it can not be determined
13:08 <MTughan> You can't tell how long each render is going to take? Like the number of frames?
13:08 <PovAddict> do you have the educational kit?
13:08 <PovAddict> MTughan: "render"? :P
13:08 <MTughan> Yeah.
13:08 <yoyo[RKN]> yes I can't tell it
13:08 <MTughan> Isn't that what yoyo@home is?
13:08 <MTughan> Oh, nevermind...
13:09 <yoyo[RKN]> shortly: it is endless recursive algorithm which at some point decides it makes no more sence to proceed
13:10 <yoyo[RKN]> this decission can happen after some seconds or after 10 hours or after 100 hours or or or
13:11 <MTughan> PovAddict: Those pieces, those are standard half bushings. They're not in the retail kit?
13:11 <PovAddict> at least I don't remember seeing them in yellow
13:11 <MTughan> Normally they're the same gray as the full bushings.
13:11 <PovAddict> I just made a total mess! brb
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13:15 <E-30> hey
13:15 <E-30> well got vista running now
13:18 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: are you running update_stats to decay RAC?
13:18 <yoyo[RKN]> in config.xml?
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13:26 <MTughan> mweltin!
13:28 <yoyo[RKN]> yes PovAddict, every hour
13:29 <MTughan> mweltin: I'm assuming that SVN was updated with the new file with the fix.
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13:30 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Unbenannt - post number 793876 (at pastebin.ca)
13:30 <Romulus> lol...i can't believe i have 20GB month data limit
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13:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: you mentioned tsp code having indentation mess...
13:33 <PovAddict> guess who else has a mess with tabs and spaces
13:34 <MTughan> Oh, nice... yoyo's config.xml?
13:34 <PovAddict> Sun
13:34 <MTughan> Sun does?
13:34 <PovAddict> did you see the source for the classes?
13:34 <MTughan> No.
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13:37 <freelarry> well just got the wife a new toy - buffet serving tray (warmer)
13:37 <freelarry> 3 bin and not for an army
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13:58 <E-30> wee i am back now vista is working bettter now
13:59 <E-30> had to do some work on it
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14:22 <freelarry> &weather 98366
14:22 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Today - Sunny. Patchy fog this morning. Highs in the mid 40s. North wind to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Areas of fog forming late. Lows in the upper 20s to mid 30s. North wind to 10 mph.; Friday - Sunny after areas of morning fog. Highs in the mid and (1 more message)
14:22 <freelarry> &more
14:22 <Romulus> freelarry: upper 40s. Light wind.;
14:23 <freelarry> black ice conditions continue for tonight - hope all the holiday travelers stay safe
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14:54 <CoderForLife> Happy Thanksgiving, freelarry
14:54 * CoderForLife wanders back to dinner prep and football
14:56 <freelarry> lol know the feeling CoderForLife - cooking preps - cleaning - getting table(s) ready - and trying to go thru the stuff in old comp room
14:57 <freelarry> finally got the 10" duct hiden behind an enclosure and made shelving under it
14:57 <freelarry> now got to get the rest of the stuff out so can tear out the old carpeting and put lamenant flooring down
14:58 <MTughan> That's "laminate".
15:10 <MTughan> mweltin: You need 2.11 Mac apps for TSP?
15:12 <xcamel> re-back
15:14 <xcamel> found that update for qt4 also
15:14 <mweltin> hey hey
15:15 <mweltin> MTughan, yes a 2.11 mac would be perfect
15:15 <MTughan> They're already done.
15:15 <Romulus> aye there was life in kansas anymore either...
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15:16 <mweltin> you got a url for those?
15:17 <MTughan> One sec...
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15:20 <mweltin> ok, I'm getting ready for turkey-day umu.
15:20 <mweltin> I'm going to have to slowly sneak these apps in during the day.
15:20 <mweltin> I'm on KP right now.
15:20 <mweltin> oh and thanks to crunch3r we now will have bsd support.
15:20 <mweltin> bye guys
15:21 <MTughan> Bye.
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15:37 <freelarry> min men sounds the same
15:37 * freelarry is aching from all the up/down stairs cycles
15:37 <xcamel> happy turkey, larry..
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16:01 <freelarry> roasty beasty instead xcamel ;)
16:01 <MTughan> xcamel left...
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16:01 <Romulus> WB, Boss
16:02 <MTughan> Or you just have very good timing...
16:02 <freelarry> noticed MTughan
16:02 <MTughan> <freelarry> roasty beasty instead xcamel ;)
16:03 <freelarry> shrimp, lumpia, deviled eggs, yams, mushed pot-a-oes, etc
16:04 <freelarry> but if they want alcohal to drink its BYOB
16:05 <freelarry> gots a new warming plate with 3 trays to keep things going during meal time
16:06 * freelarry thinks wifey already plotting who going to gt it after holidays
16:07 <freelarry> daughter doing the turkey and one of the boys trying to start his own holiday traditions this year
16:07 * freelarry doesn't feel comfortable going to thier places as they are nonsmokers
16:09 <xcamel> I know the feeling...
16:10 <freelarry> so you going to stop by xcamel ;) only a xcountry trip
16:10 <xcamel> got the car, mowers, and some other junk put away for the winter...
16:10 <freelarry> skies on the path paver yet?
16:10 <freelarry> or do you use a snowmobile?
16:11 <xcamel> Jeep commander for the winter
16:11 * freelarry had hard frost on ground today when i got up
16:11 <freelarry> lol getting bigger (and warmer)
16:11 <xcamel> fog and rain all day...
16:11 <freelarry> bright and sunny currently
16:12 <freelarry> nippy tho
16:12 <xcamel> wish I was still back in mexico..
16:12 <freelarry> lol yeah warm down there
16:12 <xcamel> need to reboot for kernel update..
16:12 <xcamel> bbiab
16:13 <freelarry> &weather mexicocity
16:13 <Romulus> freelarry: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
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16:13 <freelarry> &weather mexico city
16:13 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 66Â°F / 19Â°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Smoke | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 2:45 PM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:55 ° F. / 13 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:55 ° F. / 13 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:53 ° F. / (1 more message)
16:13 <freelarry> &more
16:13 <Romulus> freelarry: 12 ° C.;
16:13 <freelarry> don't even get to thier lows for my highs currently
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16:24 <Romulus> WB, Boss
16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin
16:26 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 41Â°F / 5Â°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 10:20 PM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:37 ° F. / 3 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:35 ° F. / 2 ° C.;
16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> &more
16:27 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
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17:03 <PriitM> sweet
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17:49 * xcamel yawns
17:50 <PriitM> my ISP is piece of brown and smelly stuff
17:51 <PriitM> first it capped torrent download limit to 50kb/sec on daytime and now I'm downloading software updates from decent server at 60kb/sec
17:52 <PriitM> not by torrent
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17:57 <mweltin> PovAddict, you here?
18:00 <PovAddict> now I am
18:00 <PovAddict> PriitM: hey, at least you consider that a capping
18:01 <PovAddict> PriitM: 70KB/s is the maximum my ISP plan goes
18:01 <mweltin> hey I was wondering if you could do a mingW build of tsp_2.11
18:01 <PovAddict> PriitM: and ask mweltin before complaining about slow 'net!
18:01 <PriitM> Well, I'm paying for 4mbit connection and I get shitty 512kbit :/
18:01 <wdsmia> asks PriitM to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
18:02 <mweltin> how much do you pay PriitM
18:02 <PovAddict> George W Bush
18:02 <PovAddict> ...
18:02 <PovAddict> hmm didn't complain about bad language
18:02 <PovAddict> 'work'
18:02 <mweltin> I pay $75 a month for 128kb serivce taht I only get a 10% for sure.
18:02 <PovAddict> wdsmia: you gotta update your script :)
18:02 <PriitM> approx 40$ for cable tv(70 channels) and 4mbit net
18:02 <PovAddict> [#2 SIZE:89.2MiB/241.1MiB(37%) CN:2 SPD:70.89KiB/s ETA:36m33s]
18:03 <PriitM> wow, that's expensive
18:03 <PriitM> we get 15mbit here for such price
18:03 <mweltin> you should feel luck then
18:03 <PriitM> I still feel like whining :)
18:03 <PovAddict> damn, I gotta merge makefiles again
18:03 <PriitM> I finally switched to Debian
18:04 <PriitM> feels kind of comfortable
18:04 <mweltin> that is a step forward.
18:04 <mweltin> I'd suggest slackware but that is just me.
18:04 <PriitM> I consider myself silly noob, but I'm learning
18:04 <PriitM> I also tried Solaris 10 today
18:05 <PriitM> after clean installation important apps such as system monitor didn't start and crashed caused by java error
18:05 <PriitM> (not that java wasn't installed, but error in code)
18:06 <mweltin> PovAddict, where is the list of platform names.
18:06 <PovAddict> BoincPlatforms wiki page
18:06 <mweltin> thsnks
18:07 <mweltin> I dont' see one for bsd, so I'll add a new one to my project.xml
18:08 <mweltin> any suggestions on the name ?
18:08 <mweltin> thnsk for th tsp
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18:09 <mweltin> crunch3r gave me this name tsp_2.11_i386-portbld-freebsd
18:10 <PovAddict> to be *really* sure, ask David Anderson to add an official name to the list
18:10 <mweltin> ok, I'll hit the project mailing list.
18:11 <PovAddict> but it would be good if he could sync a bit with existing practice... that is, existing names in use
18:11 <PovAddict> wonder what the hell portbld means...
18:12 <mweltin> I have port build ?
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19:08 * xcamel yawns
19:10 <MTughan> 'lo Jay
19:11 <xcamel> Hi Mike
19:13 <MTughan> Haha! I have a 13+" flag on top of my robot now!
19:13 <MTughan> It's probably about 15" long. xD
19:18 <xcamel> ldd -r /usr/bin/konversation provides some clues..
19:19 <MTughan> I shut down Fedora already.
19:20 <xcamel> no problem
19:20 <xcamel> one of my backup drives took a powder too
19:30 * quail returns from the shopping
19:37 <xcamel> wb
19:40 <xcamel> wind now whipping up ans snowing lightly
19:43 <quail> :-)
19:45 <xcamel> er and, even
20:02 <xcamel> looking at -9C by saturday
20:03 <MTughan> Ouch...
20:03 <xcamel> &math convert 18 F to C
20:03 <Romulus> xcamel: -7.77777777778
20:03 <xcamel> close enough
20:05 <quail> &weather ypad
20:05 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 64Â°F / 18Â°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 11:00 AM CST; Clear. High:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Clear. Low:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Clear. High:75 ° F. / 24 ° C.; Clear. Low:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Clear. High:78 ° F. / 26 ° C.; Clear. Low:55 ° F. / 13 ° C.;
20:06 <quail> xcamel: brrr that is cold
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20:16 <xcamel> &weather 12074
20:16 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 31.4°F / -0.3°C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1008.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain showers this evening...then partly cloudy with isolated snow showers after midnight. Much cooler with lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of (1 more message)
20:16 <xcamel> &more
20:16 <Romulus> xcamel: precipitation 20 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. Much colder with highs in the upper 30s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Colder with lows around 13. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...becoming west around 5 mph after midnight.;
20:17 <xcamel> &math convert 13 F to C
20:17 <Romulus> xcamel: -10.5555555556
20:17 <xcamel> lol
20:17 <xcamel> not looking forward to that at all...
20:21 <xcamel> ground is a bit white now too..
20:21 <PovAddict> sn&w?
20:22 <xcamel> oh yes... there will be snow
20:22 * xcamel yawns again
20:23 <xcamel> turkey coma
20:24 <efc> moo
20:24 <MTughan> 'lo e
20:24 <efc> It never feels right, not having any work to do..
20:25 <xcamel> 'lo eddie
20:25 <xcamel> oh.. and got the snowblower out of storage
20:26 <xcamel> started on the first pull
20:33 <efc> Sweet
20:37 <efc> Doubt we'll get snow anywhere in the state this year, but who knows
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20:48 <xcamel> ya never know..
20:49 <MTughan> mweltin: Got the new Mac apps up then?
20:49 <zombie67> hi!
20:49 <MTughan> 'lo zombie
20:50 <MTughan> Oh, I'm a part of SIMAP now. :D
20:50 <MTughan> Due to PovAddict's insistence.
20:51 <zombie67> I already crunched 140,000 for SIMAP this monthly cycle
20:52 <MTughan> Yes, well you have much more resources than I do too.
20:52 <zombie67> ;)
20:52 <zombie67> finally broke 500k
20:52 <MTughan> How do you afford all of those machines?
20:53 <zombie67> I will be upgrading two of my Pentium Ds to C2 quads in a few days.
20:53 <MTughan> Oh, and the electricity.
20:53 <efc> You lose money on each one, but make it up with the volume
20:53 <zombie67> exactly!
20:54 <zombie67> need to stay away from anything less than 4 cores, to minimize power costs
20:55 <zombie67> I'm single, so I can spend my money on my hobies
20:55 <MTughan> Oh, the robot we've been working on...
20:56 <zombie67> neat!
20:56 <zombie67> look like all the apps listed at TSP are now 2.11
20:56 <MTughan> They should be.
20:56 <zombie67> thanks!
21:08 <zombie67> poem is increasing their fixed credits
21:08 <PovAddict> hmm
21:09 <PovAddict> they are high compared to some projects, and low compared to others
21:09 <PovAddict> 1.147 compared to leiden, for example
21:13 * efc considers a new monitor.. to umm, run BOINC better, yeah thats it
21:13 <PovAddict> why do they compare with seti? on average, seti gives more than those using benchmarks
21:14 <zombie67> right, because many on SETI used optimized apps
21:14 <xcamel> I finally dumped cosmo
21:14 <zombie67> also, seti counts flops, not benchmarks
21:14 <PovAddict> I know
21:15 <efc> I haven't followed the discussions... optimized s@h good, bad, indifferent, etc? I use em..
21:15 <zombie67> so comparing apples to oranges.
21:15 <PovAddict> but they should try to match the credits that benchmarks give
21:15 <zombie67> optimized apps at seti actually crunch faster, so good
21:15 <PovAddict> it's not like because a project flop-counts they can give 10x more credits per day than one with benchmarks
21:15 <PovAddict> optimized apps... that's probably the reason
21:16 <MTughan> bbiab
21:16 <PovAddict> but then again, poem shouldn't be comparing with seti since poem doesn't have special optimized apps... *that* is apples to oranges :)
21:16 <zombie67> I believe that seti tries to make the stock app = benchmark method roughly
21:17 <zombie67> optimized app is of course more
21:17 <zombie67> or rather faster
21:17 <zombie67> same amount awarded
21:18 <PovAddict> I went 81 places down on world rank today...
21:19 <zombie67> poem will be releasing optimized apps, enigma already has them
21:19 <zombie67> APS has them too
21:19 <PovAddict> does enigma have fixed credits?
21:19 <zombie67> ouch!
21:19 <zombie67> not sure
21:20 <efc> &math convert 100000 LY to km
21:20 <Romulus> efc: Error: LY is not a valid unit.
21:20 <PovAddict> LY?
21:20 <efc> &math convert 100000 lightyears to km
21:20 <Romulus> efc: 946073047258080000
21:21 <PovAddict> &units distance
21:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: valid types: mass, length, time, scheduling, temperature, temp. diff., current, charge, potential, resistance, conductance, capacitance, magn. flux, inductance, flux density, molecular qty, size of a mol, lum. intens., luminous flux, illuminance, luminance, angle, solid angle, data, data transfer, quantity, interest rate, concentration, force, area, volume, velocity, rot. velocity, fluid flow, gas (1 more message)
21:21 <PovAddict> &units length
21:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: length units: m, meter, metre, decimeter, cm, centimeter, mm, millimeter, micrometer, micron, nanometer, nm, dekameter, hectometer, km, kilometer, megameter, angstrom, fermi, barn, inch, in, inches, mil, microinch, microinches, foot, ft, feet, yard, yd, mile, mi, nautical mile, nmi, league, chain, fathom, rod, furlong, hand, cubit, point, pica, caliber, football field, marathon, au, astronomical (1 more message)
21:21 <PovAddict> &more
21:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: unit, light year, light minute, light second, parsec, kiloparsec, megaparsec, screw size, AWG, American Wire Gauge, standard gauge, zinc gauge, ring size, shoe size mens, shoe size womens
21:21 <efc> &math convert 100000 lightyears to shoe size womens
21:21 <Romulus> efc: 111740911093473993555968
21:21 <PovAddict> rofl
21:21 <efc> That clears it up for me
21:21 <efc> &math convert 100000 lightyears to AWG
21:21 <Romulus> efc: Error: Bad equation for AWG
21:22 <PovAddict> &math convert 100000 lightyears to foolball fields
21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: foolballfields is not a valid unit.
21:22 <efc> "You're gonna need a bigger wire"
21:22 <MTughan> &math convert 100000 lightyears to parsecs
21:22 <Romulus> MTughan: 30660.1393805
21:22 <PovAddict> &math convert 100000 lightyears to "foolball fields"
21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: foolballfields is not a valid unit.
21:22 <PovAddict> &math convert 100000 lightyears to "foolball field"
21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: foolballfield is not a valid unit.
21:22 <PovAddict> ...
21:22 <MTughan> Foolball or football?
21:22 <PovAddict> &math convert 100000 lightyears to football fields
21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: 10346380656803149824
21:22 <MTughan> That's a few...
21:23 <efc> I'm gonna try to simulate a galaxy semi-realistically. It creates some interesting problems doing something that physically big..
21:23 <PovAddict> need CPU time?
21:23 <efc> More with numerical accuracy and addressing
21:24 <efc> With 64 bits, you can only get down to about 50 meter accuracy over that distance
21:24 <efc> (normally doesn't matter, but sometimes it might)
21:24 <MTughan> Only?
21:24 <PovAddict> then you need to fake big integers, which is a lot slower
21:24 <MTughan> That's fairly accurate...
21:24 <PovAddict> (or are you using floating point?)
21:25 <MTughan> Yeah, floating point would hold more than int or long.
21:25 <PovAddict> well, no
21:25 <MTughan> floating point = double
21:25 <efc> No more addressable positions..
21:25 <PovAddict> double = 64-bit
21:25 <MTughan> Ah...
21:25 <efc> 64 bits is at most 2^64 distinct values, no matter how you slice it
21:25 <MTughan> And int on 64-bit CPU = 64-bit.
21:26 <PovAddict> efc: 1 light year / 2^64 = 0.5 millimeters
21:26 <efc> The first time i was dealing with it, it was for games, and flying spaceships around, and it might matter there, if you wanted one coordinate system for everything
21:26 <efc> hmm
21:26 <MTughan> &math calc (convert 100000 lightyears to ml) / 2**64
21:26 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
21:26 <MTughan> I don't know the syntax for that...
21:26 <PovAddict> square brackets
21:26 <PovAddict> and you need 'math convert'
21:27 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 100000 lightyears to ml] / 2**64
21:27 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: ml is not a valid unit.
21:27 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 100000 lightyears to millimeters] / 2**64
21:27 <Romulus> MTughan: 51286.7226584
21:27 * efc stills gets 51 meters, whats wrong..
21:27 <MTughan> Yeah, that's 51m.
21:27 <PovAddict> ah I calculated 1 light year, not 100000
21:27 <MTughan> .5 * 100000 = 50000.
21:28 <efc> anyway for this, i just need +/- 1 LY precision so guess i'll use floats
21:28 <MTughan> Or that.
21:28 <MTughan> +- 1 LY? That's quite inaccurate, I would think...
21:28 <efc> I want to try to populate a simulated galaxy to test some algorithms
21:29 <MTughan> Well, maybe not. 0.001% error?
21:29 <efc> getting a halfway realistic population luminosity wise is harder than the spatial stuff
21:29 <MTughan> &math calc 1 / 100000
21:29 <Romulus> MTughan: 1e-05
21:29 <MTughan> Yeah.
21:29 <efc> I'm not sure thats even known, even if it is, it varies throughout a galaxy
21:29 <MTughan> Just seems that 1LY is a lot to be off by. Over 100,000 LYs though, it's not that bad...
21:29 <efc> so i'll just punt
21:30 <efc> Its a navigation thing, to locate your position, < 1 LY is good enough just to play with
21:30 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm used to being +- 1cm at most in my physics class. :P
21:34 <efc> I guess for the running-around-the-galaxy game, you might use 64 bits for addressing stellar objects, with another 32 or 64 bit local coordinate system, that occasionally gets normalized
21:47 <MTughan> I'm off to do some reading, and then off to bed.
21:47 <MTughan> &nn all
21:47 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
21:47 <zombie67> night!
21:47 <zombie67> bbl
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21:48 <MTughan> What the? PovAddict: Is this the issue mweltin saw? http://bob.myisland.as/tsp//workunit.php?wuid=177117 I'm comp 322.
21:48 <PovAddict> it's your machine that returned invalid result
21:48 <PovAddict> <bestPath></bestPath>
21:49 <PovAddict> the reason for the app returning that is still unknown
21:49 <MTughan> Oh, how 'bout that...
21:49 <MTughan> The problem is it says that the outcome was successful, but when you look at the task by itself, it says invalid.
21:49 <PovAddict> the fixed bug is that before it was possible for the two empty ones to be marked as valid, and the correct one marked invalid because it didn't match the bad ones
21:50 <PovAddict> well, the client said it was successful, the server-side validator looked at it and said it was invalid
21:50 <MTughan> Ah...
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21:51 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a forgotten Encyclopaedia Britannica
21:51 * MTughan slaps Tank_Master_ with a dead PowerBook
21:51 <MTughan> And I'm off now...
21:52 * freelarry guesses tanks-given was successful as left overs being transported to kids house for second feast
21:52 <freelarry> as well as what they are cooking
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23:17 <zombie_67> tm. you there?
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