IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2007-11-23

00:14 <quail> afternoon all, how are we all?

00:15 <efc> Moo, doing good on my little simulation

00:15 <quail> sweet :-)

00:18 <quail> I had to go into tafe today and hand some stuff into the lecturer

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03:57 <blendtux> damm, have i finaly finished one wu, is the server down

03:58 <sethy> hai gais

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06:10 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

06:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 33.9F / 1.1C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024.3hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 2.3mph / 3.7km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A slight chance of snow showers this morning. Highs in the upper 30s. Northwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Light northwest winds...becoming southeast (1 more message)

06:10 <CoderForLife> &more

06:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: after midnight.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

06:29 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

06:43 <CoderForLife> b

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06:52 <blendtux> PovAddict you here??

06:53 <blendtux> Romulus: you are evil

06:53 <Romulus> blendtux: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

06:53 <blendtux> you evil bot Romulus

06:58 <CoderForLife> it's best not to make the channel bot mad

06:58 * CoderForLife rubs Rommies chrome dome and puts two more quarters in his slot

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06:59 <CoderForLife> &eightball Is Rommie mad at blendtux?

06:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: No clue.

07:13 <quail> hey what the f@ck up homies

07:13 <MTughan> Interesting way to greet...

07:13 <quail> that me

07:13 <quail> :-P

07:13 <blendtux> lol

07:13 <MTughan> 'lo quail, blendtux

07:14 <quail> hey MTughan, how are things bloke?

07:14 <MTughan> Doing great. Off to school in about 5 minutes.

07:15 <quail> oh :-(., me is pissed

07:15 <quail> pissed = drunk

07:15 <MTughan> I actually have to leave for the bus in 10 minutes, but I make sure my computer's powered down at least 5 minutes beforehand.

07:16 <MTughan> quail: And why are you drunk?

07:17 <quail> cause I can and it late here

07:17 <MTughan> lol

07:18 <quail> :-)

07:20 <MTughan> So how drunk are you at this point? Incapacitated?

07:20 <quail> 1/2 carton drunk

07:20 <MTughan> How big is a carton?

07:21 <quail> 1/2 carton = 12 beers

07:21 <quail> 375 ml bottles

07:22 <MTughan> Holy crap... I think it's good that I have to be off...

07:22 <quail> hehe

07:22 <quail> ttyl mate

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07:50 <CoderForLife> re-hi

07:52 <CoderForLife> it's snowing at the moment

07:53 <CoderForLife> 12 beers???

07:54 <CoderForLife> no wonder you're being obscene

07:58 <PriitM> is there any problems with SETi@home? my communication is deferred 24H

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08:03 <xcamel> 'lo

08:04 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

08:04 <CoderForLife> S@H seems to be OK to me, PriitM

08:04 <xcamel> 'lo Don

08:05 <PriitM> OK, I'll take a look at my settings once again

08:05 <CoderForLife> getting some light snow showers this morning, xcamel - 'tis pretty

08:08 <xcamel> ditto - and 24F

08:08 <CoderForLife> 34F here

08:09 <CoderForLife> I've been lost in memories this morning.  Got an e-mail from a old friend last night, supporting Huckabee.  Caused me to google a number of names from my past.

08:09 <xcamel> lol

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08:12 <PriitM> Hmm, I get message of this kind: Message from server: platform" not found

08:13 <CoderForLife> what kind of system are you running boinc on?

08:14 <CoderForLife> probabky not supported by S@H

08:15 <CoderForLife> bbiab

08:16 <PriitM> using amd64 debian4

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08:30 <xcamel> wb..

08:31 <c0dewarrior> danke

08:31 <c0dewarrior> temporary isp insanity

08:35 <PriitM> Hmm, I get message of this kind: Message from server: platform" not found. Using amd64 debian4

08:37 <xcamel> it happens..

08:38 <PriitM> is it temponary issue?

08:40 <xcamel> you have to read the 'anonymous platform' wiki at the boinc site

08:40 <PriitM> ok, i'll do that

08:40 <PriitM> thx

08:41 <xcamel> some projects won't have work for custom/unique systems

09:07 <PriitM> ah yes, got boinc working correctly

09:07 <xcamel> good for you

09:09 <PriitM> although i hope it's some kind of error: to completion 23-24H per wu

09:09 <xcamel> what project?

09:09 <PriitM> seti@home

09:09 <PriitM> on amd 4200+ dual core with 100% cpu time

09:10 <xcamel> that will settle dow after you run a few..

09:10 <PriitM> oh ok. thanks for the help

09:11 <xcamel> my 6000+ dc does them in 4 hrs.

09:11 <xcamel> usually less

09:12 <PriitM> it takes about 5 hours for my pc, but most of the time i'm using computer

09:15 <PriitM> 5h 20mins if i remember correctly

09:15 <xcamel> that's on my only winbox

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09:19 <xcamel> &weather 12074

09:19 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 22.6F / -5.2C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Isolated snow showers this morning. Much colder with highs in the upper 30s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Cold with lows around 17. Northwest winds (1 more message)

09:19 <xcamel> &more

09:19 <Romulus> xcamel: 10 to 15 mph...becoming west around 5 mph after midnight.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Cold with highs in the mid 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

09:19 <xcamel> burrrr....

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09:21 <PriitM> &weather tallinn

09:21 <Romulus> PriitM: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1004hPa | Conditions: Drizzle | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 3:50 PM EET; Chance of Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Clear. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Clear. Low:26 F. / -3 C.; Chance of Rain. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.;

09:25 <PriitM> i got pile of wires bigger then my belly =/

09:25 <PriitM> can anyone help me find power cord inside it?

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09:46 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

09:46 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 15F / -9C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the upper 30s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Scattered flurries after midnight. Low in the mid 20s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Partly sunny. A 40 (1 more message)

09:46 <wdsmia> &more

09:46 <Romulus> wdsmia: percent chance of snow in the morning. High around 40. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.;

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10:05 <CoderForLife> hello Doug

10:05 <wdsmia> *lo Don

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10:14 <blendtux> PovAddict: you here ??

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11:03 <PovAddict> blendtux: no

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11:15 <PriitM> now I'

11:15 <PriitM> I'm getting 8% of the download speed I should get

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11:19 <zombie67> PovAddict:

11:19 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Xubuntu Compiz Fusion VERY OLD computer / Better than Vista (at

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11:51 <xcamel> re-hi

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11:58 <BadBarbarian> lol I am  still full from yesterday

12:01 <xcamel> still wishing I could get rid of this "cold"

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12:03 <BadBarbarian> it was 5 degrees f here this morning

12:03 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

12:04 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 33F / 1C | Humidity: 29% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny in the morning becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 36 on the North Rim to around 59 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 19 on the North Rim to around 35 along the Colorado River. Light (1 more message)

12:04 <BadBarbarian> &more

12:04 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: winds.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 34 on the North Rim to around 56 along the Colorado River. Northeast winds around 15 mph.;

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13:24 <CoderForLife> check out the lack of Vista adoption among gamers

13:24 <Romulus> Title: Valve - Survey Summary Data (at

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13:33 <yoyo[RKN]> zombie67

13:33 <yoyo[RKN]> you got a bunch of evos

13:34 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: omg people with 8 physical CPUs

13:34 <CoderForLife> lol

13:34 <CoderForLife> hardcore gammers

13:34 <CoderForLife> anyway, interesting stats

13:35 <CoderForLife> nvidia rulez

13:35 <PovAddict> I have a powerful card that I'm not taking much advantage of... I'm considering disabling it during the summer (and use the integrated one) to lower electricity usage

13:36 <CoderForLife> going out to put up the Christmas wreath on the house (and use more electricity) - bbl

13:38 <PovAddict> hmm

13:38 <PovAddict> if I disable it by software (device manager or whatever), would it stop getting power, or should I physically remove it for that? :-\

13:54 <zombie67> hi yoyo

13:55 <zombie67> yep, crunching away.

13:55 <zombie67> how is the testing coming along?

13:56 <zombie67> oops, gotta run.  bbl

13:56 <PovAddict> reached 20k on simap

13:56 <PovAddict> and 193k total

14:15 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86331

14:15 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 51.1F / 10.6C | Humidity: 16% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Cooler. Mostly sunny early in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs 55 to 63. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 31 to 41. Light winds becoming north around 15 mph early in the morning.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. (1 more message)

14:15 <blendtux> damm damm damm, sorry for the strong words,

14:15 <xcamel> all the way up to 25F here

14:15 <blendtux> i finaly procesed a wu unit on my slow computer, is the server down, cant upload it :(\

14:15 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

14:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 27F / -3C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.41in / 1030hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. High in the lower 30s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy early in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Scattered flurries after midnight. Low in the mid 20s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Partly (1 more message)

14:16 <blendtux> PovAddict: do you know when burp is up again

14:16 <PovAddict> ask on burp forums?

14:17 <blendtux> lol, the site is down

14:17 <PovAddict> then I don't know more than you about it

14:17 <blendtux> what i dont understand is, why they have not split the webserver from the project server, it seems to me that they run on the same computers

14:18 <blendtux> cause they are always both down

14:18 <zombie67> congrats!

14:18 <blendtux> thanks zombie67

14:19 <zombie67> it is truely amazing how so many project servers break during long holidays....

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14:21 <blendtux> man, i hate this, have a finaly done 2 wu's cant i upload them grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i think i will create my own local boinc project, that way i am always able to uplaod the results

14:21 <PovAddic1> krap

14:21 <PovAddic1> blendtux: why would that be any useful?

14:22 <PovAddic1> apart from the fact that you basically need to re-do what BURP has taken years to do

14:22 <blendtux> it would not be usefull, but then again, this is allso not usefull if this server is crashing everyweek

14:23 <PovAddic1> if Google had stability problems, would you say "i will make my own search engine, that way I can always access it"?

14:23 <blendtux> now, but other people will :)

14:24 <blendtux> anyway. its just my frustration, dont understand why they dont host the project webserver on a different computer, so atleast they can provide info about what is happening

14:24 <PovAddic1> suggest it on the forums when they're back (then donate to buy the new server :P)

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14:25 <blendtux> ahahahah, well if i could donate a new server, i would buy another pc first, instead of trying to crunch wu on my old 600 mhz celeron

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15:13 <mweltin> hey guys

15:14 <xcamel> 'lo

15:15 <mweltin> I can't believe I'm still dealing with some team name issue.

15:15 <mweltin> some guy listed himself as founder of team Planet3D Now and apparently someother guys stated that team 7 years ago.

15:16 <mweltin> so he asked me to ask the other guy to change the name, which he did, but now he doesn't like the new name either.

15:17 <xcamel> SRB's

15:18 <wdsmia> welcome to sys admin... It only gets worse from here,but that why you get paid the Big money lol

15:18 <mweltin> very funny wdsmia

15:18 <wdsmia> not so funny but mostly true

15:20 <xcamel> Welcome to sysadmin. Would you like the red pill, or the blue? You do not have a choice.

15:20 <Romulus> The dumb bot laughs...

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15:27 <zombie67> hi mweltin

15:28 <mweltin> zombie67!

15:28 <mweltin> how goes it?

15:28 <zombie67> smoothly

15:28 <zombie67> 3600 at TSP yesterday

15:29 <mweltin> was that you download speed?

15:29 <zombie67> credits

15:29 <mweltin> nice!

15:29 <mweltin> I have to turn on that strict error checking again.

15:29 <zombie67>

15:29 <Romulus> <> (at

15:30 <zombie67> I had a day over 10k recently

15:30 <mweltin> but that will have ot wait.  I have a meeting regarding the future of American Samoa's intranet.

15:30 <mweltin> WOW, I'm giving you too much work.

15:30 <zombie67> ;)

15:30 <zombie67> I think it will even out somewhere around 5k/day

15:31 <PovAddict> whoa

15:32 <PovAddict> java compiler is crashing with a stack overflow

15:32 <mweltin> if == zombie67  credit_granted = 30 lashing with a wet noodle.

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15:36 <mweltin> I have to get ready for my meeting.

15:36 <mweltin> take care

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15:46 <yoyo[RKN]> re

15:47 <zombie67> hello

15:52 <yoyo[RKN]> you got lot of evos

15:52 <zombie67> yep.  everything working so far?

15:52 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

15:52 <zombie67> ETA of mac apps?

15:52 <yoyo[RKN]> later

15:53 <zombie67> heh

15:53 <yoyo[RKN]> still 51 evos unsent

15:54 <zombie67> don't blame me.  I did 5500 in credits for yoyo yesterday.

15:54 <Romulus> <> (at

15:54 <yoyo[RKN]> hehe, cool

15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> evo gives currently standard boinc credits

15:55 <yoyo[RKN]> but I will change this in future

15:56 <zombie67> many people running evo besides me?

15:56 <yoyo[RKN]> round 50 selected beta apps

15:57 <yoyo[RKN]> think 30 got evos

15:58 <zombie67> they would need to select evo and beta to get any, right?

15:58 <yoyo[RKN]> think so, yes

15:59 <zombie67> when will we have stats split out?

15:59 <yoyo[RKN]> good question

15:59 <yoyo[RKN]> how should this be?

16:00 <zombie67> not sure.  But I would like to somehow see how my work is being split out between multiple sub-projects

16:01 <yoyo[RKN]> you mean in your personal stats?

16:01 <zombie67> maybe something on home.php with totals and rac for each?

16:01 <yoyo[RKN]> has any project such things

16:01 <zombie67> primegrid does

16:02 <PovAddict> pirates@home splits credits done by computing and credits from the mechanical turk

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16:04 <yoyo[RKN]> I will take care of it later, there is a lot before it on my list

16:04 <zombie67> cool

16:06 <zombie67> I think PG and RS export the sub-project information, which then allows 3rd parties to deal with showing the data.

16:06 <yoyo[RKN]> first comes credits, mac, maybe linux, maybe 64bit, automatic generation/sending of wus

16:07 <zombie67> look at my sig here:

16:07 <Romulus> <> (at

16:08 <PovAddict> RieselSieve gives advanced stats as well

16:08 <PovAddict> hmm wonder how they do that

16:09 <zombie67> that is what I said,  RS = RieselSieve  ;)

16:09 <PovAddict> yep! it's exported separately

16:10 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: wget -O - | gunzip -c | less

16:11 <yoyo[RKN]> seems that this is tracked in an own table

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16:12 <PovAddict> and here's bryanUC so we can ask about RS :)

16:12 <PovAddict> RS adds a <factors> tag to user.xml

16:12 <zombie67> also on #rielelsieve

16:14 <zombie67> #rieselsieve

16:14 <zombie67> here on this server

16:14 <PovAddict> I never remember if it's riesel or resiel

16:15 <PovAddict> or reisel

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16:27 <MTughan> quail: Still drunk?

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17:05 <yoyo[RKN]> any Tank_Master_ here, I need to refil

17:05 <PriitM_> o.0

17:05 <PriitM> 0.0

17:05 <MTughan> Refill what?

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17:05 <PovAddict> 0.o

17:06 <MTughan> o_O

17:06 <MTughan> I'm just going along with the flow...

17:06 <PriitM> :>

17:06 <wdsmia> right off the cliff

17:06 <yoyo[RKN]> hm

17:07 <MTughan> I'm not a sheep.

17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> ^-^

17:08 <PovAddict> 50 hrs left for the CPDN unit

17:08 <PovAddict> that machine had been off for a while...

17:09 <PovAddict> my uptime here is 23d 16h 58m

17:09 <MTughan> I'm up to 13d.

17:09 <MTughan> 14d, oops.

17:09 <PovAddict> my record is 27d

17:09 <PriitM> im up 8 minutes :/

17:09 <PovAddict> lols

17:09 <MTughan> Wonder what the uptime on a major server is?

17:10 <PovAddict> in years?

17:10 <PriitM> the webhosting companys i use have about 50-120 day uptimes

17:11 <PriitM> well this cheap and bad hosting company server has 135day uptime

17:16 <PriitM> test

17:16 <PovAddict> toast

17:16 <PriitM> beacon

17:17 <MTughan> Don't beacon to me.

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18:10 <MTughan> bbiab

18:12 <CoderForLife> k

18:13 <xcamel> re-hi

18:14 <xcamel> and feeling somewhat better today...

18:15 <wdsmia> Glad your feeling better Jay

18:16 <xcamel> no such ting as a 'standard cold' nowadays...

18:16 <efc> Moo

18:16 <wdsmia> *lo e

18:17 <xcamel> more like the 'mighty morphin power grodie'

18:17 <xcamel> 'lo E

18:17 <efc> I broke down, gonna get a 24" lcd

18:17 <wdsmia> It was the water Jay

18:18 <Romulus> that's because of drivers... getting GPGPU would be 1:10

18:18 <xcamel> watch out for nonstandard resolutions they're trying to pass of lately

18:18 <efc> 1920 x 1200 ?

18:18 <xcamel> nope.. was fine until I passed through Atlanta...

18:18 <PovAddict> the HD standard is 1920x1080

18:19 <PovAddict> on the 16:9 ratio

18:20 <xcamel> I just returned one that was 1680x1050 - a viewsonic no less.

18:20 <PovAddict> eww

18:20 <PovAddict> &math calc 1680/1050

18:20 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1.6

18:21 <efc> most of the 24s seem to be 1920 x 1200, 16:10

18:21 <xcamel> &math calc 16/9

18:21 <Romulus> xcamel: 1.77777777778

18:22 <xcamel> I want std pc resolutions first, then hd via another input

18:22 <PovAddict> yeah, thing is, a 1920 x 1200 (16:10) can fit 1920x1080 (16:9) with fairly small lines on top and bottom... xcamel's 1680x1050 resolution is *weird*

18:23 <PovAddict> hmmm actually 1680x1050 seems to be WSXGA+ which is standard

18:23 <PovAddict> or is it...

18:23 <PovAddict> "It is the widescreen version of SXGA+, but it is not approved by any organization. The next highest resolution (for widescreen) after it is WUXGA, which is 1920×1200 pixels."

18:24 <efc> I wouldn't mind having one that can swivel to portrait for working on music, but its a big jump up in price

18:24 <PovAddict> bah

18:24 <PovAddict> just turn it 90° yourself and add some books or something to hold it :P

18:25 * CoderForLife finishes paying bills and looks back at #boinc

18:25 <efc> They have standard mounts, you could build an ok one

18:25 <zombie67> yoyo?

18:26 <zombie67> not here eh

18:27 <xcamel> it was this one:

18:27 <xcamel>

18:27 <Romulus> <> (at

18:27 <efc> There are some nice looking Dells (and other brands) with the swivel, but thats the top tier, around $600-700

18:27 <efc> I doubt they actually look twice as good as the ~$400 ones, but have not seem them side to side

18:28 <xcamel> the VX2435 is way better

18:28 <xcamel>

18:28 <Romulus> <> (at

18:29 <PovAddict> efc: twice the price for the ability to turn it to portrait is not worth it imho

18:29 <xcamel> my display here is still a VP201mb - now almost 5 years old and still sharp as a tack

18:29 <PovAddict> I have a samsung 19" LCD... I highly un-recommend samsung

18:29 <PovAddict> their dead pixel policy sucks

18:30 <PovAddict> mine has two pixels that don't show red (so white is cyan)

18:30 <efc> I was going to get the samsung 24 (i'm one click away), have two 17s and like them..

18:30 <xcamel> my samsung at work is dying...

18:30 <xcamel> 201T plasma

18:31 <efc> took a few weeks to psyche myself up this far..

18:31 <PovAddict> efc: for a 24" you can have up to TEN dead pixels and samsung considers it "normal" and won't change it

18:32 <efc> Yeah, but is that unusual? Most of them i've seen are 6, or so many in a certain area, stuck on vs stuck off, etc

18:32 <efc> Did you try giving the dead ones a light massage? I've heard that would work

18:33 <PovAddict> the limit for 19" is (if I understand this table correctly): 4 stuck pixels, 7 dead pixels, and no more than 1 group of two adjacent bad pixels

18:33 <PovAddict> mine has two adjacent pixels that don't show red

18:34 <PovAddict> I tried massage, and blinking colors at 60Hz on those pixels

18:34 <PovAddict> using a java applet that was intended for un-stucking pixels

18:34 <efc> I better go help mom.. bbl

18:46 <zombie67> I have a yoyo/evo task that is at 123% and still running

18:46 <PovAddict> 123%? lol

18:46 <xcamel> anyway the vx2435wm is the one I want for at work

18:46 <zombie67> ah!  just finished

18:47 <zombie67> status pending, so at least it did not error out

18:47 <PriitM> as yes, i'm watching the a-team

18:49 <zombie67> I just bought a couple Q6600 to replace pentium Ds.  Due to arrive mid next week

18:49 <CoderForLife> offen for the evening - a few more Christmas decorating things to do, then put the boxes away

18:49 <CoderForLife> cya

18:50 <zombie67> and of course, those machines just recently grabbed the last few tasks from seasonal attribution.

18:50 <zombie67> So now I have to wait!

18:51 <zombie67> I should break 200k at SA in the next day or two.

18:56 <zombie67> where is the up time stored in BOINC?  I need to reset it.

18:57 <PovAddict> client_state.xml

18:57 <PovAddict> client_state/time_stats/on_frac

18:57 <zombie67> thanks!

18:58 <PovAddict> damn

18:58 <PovAddict> I was checking my client_state with 'less'

18:58 <PovAddict> and less locks the file

18:58 <PovAddict> got a "Couldn't write state file: system rename" from the client

18:58 <zombie67> never heard of less.  heard of "more"

18:59 <zombie67> "Couldn't write state file: system rename":  I get that all the time on my macs

18:59 <PovAddict> at least it doesn't cause any bad problems...

18:59 <PovAddict> it just retries later

18:59 <PovAddict> zombie67: less is an improved more

18:59 <zombie67> how better?

19:00 <PovAddict> bidirectional scrolling (horizontal too), searching with regex

19:00 <zombie67> ah

19:00 <zombie67> so, I just make on_fract 1?

19:00 <PovAddict> multiple files

19:00 <PovAddict> yeah

19:00 <zombie67> connect_fract says -1???

19:01 <PovAddict> that isn't used nor calculated atm

19:01 <zombie67> cpu effeciency?

19:01 <PovAddict> that is CPU time vs wall time

19:01 <zombie67> why would it not always be 1?

19:01 <zombie67> OS overhead?

19:02 <PovAddict> because BOINC isn't the only thing running on your computer :)

19:02 <PovAddict> mine is 0.96!

19:02 <zombie67> this is a laptop doing nothing else

19:03 <PovAddict> well, even the manager uses CPU

19:03 <PovAddict> OS overhead

19:03 <zombie67> lemme look at my mac

19:03 <PovAddict> the core client itself

19:03 <PovAddict> ...chatting...

19:03 <Romulus> hint: it was assigning you a winx64 app?

19:04 <PovAddict> particularly on mac, moving the mouse around on the dock can eat CPU :)

19:05 <zombie67> .91

19:05 <zombie67> but this is also the machine I do all my work work on, as well as all my personal stuff

19:07 <zombie67> I think I am about to get screwed out of a 1k result on ABC

19:07 <zombie67>

19:07 <Romulus> Title: Workunit (at

19:07 <zombie67> the first two aparrently don't match, so a third one going out.  Mine is the only mac of the three.

19:07 <PovAddict> computer#22143 is having BAD problems

19:08 <PovAddict> ah yours :|

19:08 <zombie67> how so?

19:08 <PovAddict> lots of "No heartbeat from core client"

19:08 <PovAddict>

19:08 <Romulus> <> (at

19:09 <zombie67> yeah

19:09 <zombie67> BOINC was locked up because my router was down for a while

19:09 <PovAddict> and yours took 24 hours of CPU time to finish

19:09 <PovAddict> the other guy took 7 hours

19:10 <PovAddict> with a wintel quad 2.6GHz

19:11 <PovAddict> it's possible that all the restarts corrupted the stats

19:11 <PovAddict> state*

19:11 <PovAddict> your output doesn't mention 'rounds'

19:12 <zombie67> it's not a quad

19:12 <PovAddict> actually it's different app versions too...

19:12 <zombie67> it's a Core Duo

19:12 <PovAddict> "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU"

19:12 <Romulus> <> (at

19:13 <zombie67> wrong host

19:13 <zombie67>

19:13 <Romulus> <> (at

19:13 <PovAddict> that's yours

19:13 <zombie67> yes

19:13 <zombie67> it is a Core Duo

19:13 <MTughan> He was talking about the other persons machine.

19:13 <PovAddict> yours took 24 hours of CPU time to finish

19:13 <PovAddict> the other guy took 7 hours with a wintel quad 2.6GHz

19:14 <zombie67> right, it is a slower chip

19:14 <zombie67> mine is

19:14 <MTughan> Yeah, 2.6GHz compared to 2.16GHz. Doesn't explain a 17 hour difference.

19:14 <zombie67> more than that

19:15 <MTughan> Quad-core to dual-core doesn't matter.

19:15 <zombie67> 2.6 Core 2 Duo vs. 2.16 Core Duo

19:15 <zombie67> Core 2 is much faster than Core

19:15 <MTughan> Oh, C2D to CD... Still doesn't explain 17 hours.

19:15 <zombie67> no, not all of it.

19:15 <PovAddict> it was all his restarts...

19:15 <zombie67> Oh!  The tre'es here.  I have to go get it off the truck.

19:15 <zombie67> bbl

19:16 <MTughan> "Tre'es", or "tree's"?

19:16 <PovAddict> the app kills itself after 30 seconds of timeout waiting for the client heartbeat, without caring if it has checkpointed recently

19:16 <PovAddict> that might be a good addition actually...

19:17 <PovAddict> after 30 seconds of timeout, wait 30 more for the app to checkpoint

19:17 <PovAddict> many apps would checkpoint immediately (those that check can-i-checkpoint-now many times a second)

19:18 <MTughan> Like TSP?

19:18 <PovAddict> exactly

19:19 <MTughan> Do most apps do that?

19:20 <PovAddict> well, at least most get in a "ready to checkpoint" state *many* times per minute

19:20 <MTughan> My guess is that yoyo doesn't.

19:21 <PovAddict> no, yoyo ogr app uses a wrapper, so it can only "checkpoint" on every task

19:21 <PovAddict> it's split in separate tasks just to allow checkpoint and progress

19:21 <PovAddict> brb

19:21 <MTughan> Oh... I'm sitting here wondering why it's taking so long to charge up my laptop, and I have Bluetooth on!

19:22 <xcamel> lol

19:23 <PovAddict> wi-fi eats more

19:23 <MTughan> Yeah, but Bluetooth eats quite a bit too.

19:24 <MTughan> Enough to explain why my battery also depleted really fast on the bus home!

19:24 <MTughan> Actually, CPU takes more still.

19:24 <PovAddict> got boinc on while on battery?

19:24 <MTughan> No.

19:24 <MTughan> And that's why/

19:27 <MTughan> Yet, we still wonder how Apple coaxed 6 hours out of the battery. The best I can do with little to no CPU, no wireless, no Bluetooth, no USB, no speakers, is about 3.5 hours.

19:39 <MTughan> PovAddict: To see a white flash from a CD drive while it's burning is generally not a good sign, right?

19:39 <PovAddict> :|

19:39 <PovAddict> is it still burning?

19:39 <MTughan> smmagic in #wehatevista is having it.

19:39 <MTughan> Yes, still burning. 75% done.

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19:39 <PovAddict> tell him to get a fire extinguisher *before* he needs him

19:40 <PovAddict> err

19:40 <PovAddict> s/him$/it

19:41 <MTughan> Oh, and the computer's salvaged. :P

19:49 <MTughan> I think the burn finished... How, I have no idea. He left the room for a little while.

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19:52 * xcamel needs to find another cheap ait-3 drive

19:56 <PovAddict> I started reading the boinc api code, to see if I could add the try-to-checkpoint-before-dying feature easily

19:56 <MTughan> And it appears to be fine...

19:57 <PovAddict> I found something else that could be improved, patch posted :P

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20:21 <xcamel> small fixes are good fixes

20:23 <efc> They don't advertise the bits per pixel on LCDs much anymore

20:23 <wdsmia> Fix/upgrade=Take out known problems add brand new ones

20:24 <MTughan> 'lo Jay, e, Doug

20:24 <MTughan> lol Doug

20:24 <wdsmia> *lo Michael

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20:41 <quail> afternoon all

20:41 <MTughan> 'lo quail

20:42 <quail> how are we all?

20:42 * MTughan tortures Tank_Master with a small club (with a nail in it)

20:42 <MTughan> I feel like slapping Tank_Master...

20:42 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around a bit with a large trout

20:43 * MTughan blends Tank_Master with a nick named python script

20:45 <efc> moo Q

20:45 <PovAddict> Debugging: the process of replacing an existing bug by two new ones

20:47 * wdsmia slaps PovAddict around with 2 or 3 new bugs

20:50 <PovAddict> zombie67: how many 8-way machines do you have?

20:50 <wdsmia> too many

20:50 <MTughan> lol

20:50 <PovAddict> wdsmia: worrying about your rank? :)

20:52 * wdsmia has 100,320

20:52 <MTughan> I have two towers in Vector TD that do 460,000 damage...

20:52 <wdsmia> this week :P

20:55 <wdsmia> its off this week due to qmc mega wu's

20:59 <xcamel> qmc - 1,043,054 so far...

20:59 <wdsmia> Im moving up fast Jay

21:00 <xcamel> I dumped cosmo - it cost me 10 days downtime last week

21:00 <xcamel> knocked out everything

21:03 <wdsmia> Sh%$% Happens on Alpha projects

21:03 <xcamel> uh-huh

21:04 <PovAddict> you didn't have a backup project?

21:04 <xcamel> who?

21:04 <PovAddict> were you attached only to cosmo?

21:04 <xcamel> not hardly...the cosmo units would go wild and knock boinc core out

21:05 <PovAddict> ugh...

21:05 <MTughan> Nice...

21:05 <Romulus> sure, but I guess I have svn:// but I'm in Denmark

21:05 <xcamel> not so nice

21:05 <PovAddict> I remember seeing that myself with my project

21:05 <PovAddict> workunit finished, and the core had a segfault

21:05 <PovAddict> every time

21:05 <MTughan> I'm assuming you figured it out.

21:05 <xcamel> basically...

21:06 <wdsmia> just like the one milkway wu I had stuck on download would not alow any other project to download

21:06 <PovAddict> turned out to be a bug on the client, stderr was going through sprintf, and I had some percentage signs on the log

21:06 <MTughan> lol

21:06 <MTughan> And sprintf was trying to parse them?

21:07 <PovAddict> %s reads a string... whatever junk was there got read as a pointer

21:07 <wdsmia> Idot proof programming

21:08 <PovAddict> or not...

21:09 <efc> scanf and forget it, its totally safe...

21:09 <PovAddict>

21:09 <Romulus> <> (at

21:09 <PovAddict> suuuure efc

21:10 <MTughan> Why the f*** was it trying to access my local network...

21:12 <wdsmia> you must have loaded that new boinc project keyclicker@home

21:12 <MTughan> Who, me?

21:13 <wdsmia> j/k lol

21:13 <MTughan> No, the webpage came up with a password dialog for a machine on my network.

21:13 <xcamel> %B%Ikeyclicker@home%I%B

21:13 <xcamel> well... that didn't work...

21:13 <MTughan> keyclicker@home you mean?

21:14 <xcamel> keylogger@home

21:14 <xcamel> keylogger@home

21:15 <xcamel> anyway...

21:15 <MTughan> What is keylogger@home?

21:15 <wdsmia> your_screwed@home

21:16 <efc> microsoft dotbotnet

21:16 <MTughan> So it's actually a keylogger?

21:16 <PovAddict> no he's messing with you

21:19 <wdsmia> Hey MTughan look up

21:19 <MTughan> It's a ceiling.

21:19 <wdsmia> lol

21:25 <xcamel> friggin snowing out again...

21:26 <xcamel> Knock it off, Mike

21:26 <MTughan> What?!

21:26 <efc> Send some of that down here

21:26 <xcamel> Ontario dandruff storm...

21:26 <MTughan> &weather Toronto

21:26 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 23°F / -5°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.40in / 1030hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM EST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Low -9C(15F) with temperature rising to -3C(26F) by morning.; Saturday - Becoming cloudy. 30 percent chance of flurries late in the morning and in the afternoon. Wind becoming southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting (1 more message)

21:26 <MTughan> &more

21:26 <Romulus> MTughan: to 50 km/h (31 mph) in the afternoon. High 1C(34F). Saturday night cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of flurries in the evening. Wind west 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph). Low -2C(28F).; Sunday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 5C(41F).;

21:26 <xcamel> it's all your fault.

21:26 <PovAddict> "rising to -3C"  sounds strange :P

21:26 <xcamel> too many frigid women in canada...

21:27 <MTughan> You complain, it's friggin cold here.

21:27 <xcamel> -4C here...

21:27 <MTughan> Seasonal is about 4C here.

21:28 <xcamel> more like light lake effect squalls

21:30 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

21:30 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 27F / -3C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming cloudy. Scattered flurries after midnight. Low in the mid 20s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow in the morning... then partly sunny in the afternoon. High in (1 more message)

21:30 <wdsmia> &more

21:30 <Romulus> wdsmia: the upper 30s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 20s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;

21:31 <MTughan> Not bad... About the same as us.

21:33 <wdsmia> that just because CA blows and mex sucks

21:33 * wdsmia asks the room to please watch there language Thanks, your friendly channel op

21:34 <MTughan> lol, you tripped your own script.

21:34 <xcamel> hoisted by your own petards...

21:34 <MTughan> "Sucks"?

21:34 <wdsmia> script doesnt trigger on my posts

21:35 <MTughan> What is it then?

21:35 <Romulus> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.17-11-generic | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz 3224.096 MHz Bogomips: 12563.34 Mem: 483/1012M [||||||||||] HDD: 372.07G/644.11GGB [||||||||||] Up: 1 day

21:35 <wdsmia> tell him rommie

21:36 <MTughan> lol... quail, is that from you?

21:37 <wdsmia> quail is at the beach or i would be if I was him

21:37 <MTughan> Where is he?

21:39 <wdsmia> AU :P

21:39 <MTughan> Nice!

21:42 <wdsmia> &seen TheGasGiant

21:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: TheGasGiant was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 31 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <TheGasGiant> &bye freelarry

21:45 <quail> wdsmia: no beach for me ;-P

21:45 <wdsmia> lol wb

21:45 <quail> thanks

21:46 <quail> &weather ypad

21:46 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 68°F / 20°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 1:00 PM CST; Clear. High:75 F. / 24 C.; Clear. Low:53 F. / 12 C.; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Clear. Low:53 F. / 12 C.; Clear. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Clear. Low:55 F. / 13 C.;

21:48 <wdsmia> Ruby says hi to all her relatives down there

21:49 <xcamel> &weather MMLP

21:49 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 68°F / 20°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 6:46 PM MST; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:57 F. / 14 C.; Clear. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F. / 13 C.;

21:49 <xcamel> pretty close

21:49 <quail> "The secret to immortality is to live a life worth remembering." - Bruce Lee

21:50 * quail passes on the greetings :-P

21:51 <wdsmia> If I had to live my life again, I'd make the same mistakes, only sooner.

21:51 <wdsmia> Tallulah Bankhead

21:54 <xcamel> quotebotXL

21:54 <xcamel> :-/

21:58 <xcamel> laterz...

21:59 <MTughan> Bye.

21:59 <wdsmia> cya

21:59 <quail> bye

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22:56 <wdsmia> &ping

22:56 <Romulus> pong

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22:56 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin

22:57 <mweltin> MTughan,  how ya do'n

22:57 <MTughan> Pretty good.

22:57 <wdsmia> how goes the war mweltin

22:58 <mweltin> well, I sent pipin (the original owner) a message saying that Molf is just trying to make you mad, and that you should just move on and focus your energy on more positive things.

22:59 <PovAddict> and wasting your time with team crap when you should be CODING

22:59 <mweltin> I pointed out how his team is ranked 9th on some world stat page, and that is something to be very proud of, and I doubt anyone will confuse Planet3dnow with plantet3dNever.

23:00 <mweltin> tell me about it, I'm still not sure why some times the bestPath is not filled in.

23:00 <mweltin> and I don't know how to add this

23:00 <wdsmia> for mweltin

23:00 <Romulus> Title: Changeset 14294 - BOINC - Trac (at

23:00 <Romulus> Title: man sysadmin (at

23:00 <PovAddict> bofh \o/

23:01 <PovAddict> mweltin: just upgrade...

23:01 <mweltin> bofh is great

23:01 <mweltin> just an svn update?

23:02 <mweltin> Jord suggests not ot upgrade everything

23:02 <PovAddict> why

23:02 <mweltin> We're reasonably stable at revision 14246 at Enigma, but TJM just added 14292 to the test server tonight and it toppled over with lots of fatal errors.

23:03 <PovAddict> mostly new forum crap...

23:03 <mweltin> what is the syntax for and svn update of a specific version?

23:03 <mweltin> -r####

23:03 <mweltin> ?

23:03 <PovAddict> if you update to any version, you get all the changes from previous versions, naturally...

23:03 <MTughan> You mean to get a specific revision?

23:04 <mweltin> yeah  I assume 14294 refers to a revision number.

23:04 <MTughan> It does.

23:04 <PovAddict> that's the latest anyway

23:04 <PovAddict> it would be the same to do 'svn update'

23:05 <MTughan> But if you don't want the latest, it is -r #####.

23:05 <MTughan> Notice the space there.

23:05 <mweltin> so I should run the update from $PROJ_ROOT/html/user ?

23:05 <PovAddict> no, from your boinc working copy

23:05 <PovAddict> if you don't have it anymore, checkout again

23:06 <mweltin> I still have it

23:06 <MTughan> Then update there.

23:06 <MTughan> That was probably unneeded, but I said it.

23:07 <mweltin> I'd rather not do the entire thing, takes a long time.  Also I'm not sure how that change will be reflected in my project?

23:07 <PovAddict> what takes a long time?

23:08 <mweltin> update of the boinc source working copy.

23:08 <MTughan> Update/checkout. Remember his internet?

23:08 <PovAddict> svn update only gets changes

23:08 <mweltin> I just did the html dir in the working copy.

23:08 <mweltin> ok I'm doing the entire thing.

23:08 <mweltin> but I still don't see how this will effect my $PROJECT_ROOT/html dir.

23:09 <PovAddict> running the upgrade script

23:09 <mweltin> ahhh

23:11 <mweltin> so wdsmia I told the guy if he stll wants to press the name issue I would contact David Anderson and so what he suggests, but I'd rather he drop the issue, and I have not heard back from him yet.

23:12 <mweltin> does it matter where I run the upgrade script from?

23:12 <PovAddict> well it's on the 'tools' directory

23:12 <PovAddict> working directory doesn't matter, afaik

23:12 <mweltin> yes, I found it, but I was curious if I needed to be there or what.

23:12 <mweltin> ok

23:12 <mweltin> thanks

23:12 <PovAddict>

23:12 <Romulus> Title: ToolUpgrade - BOINC - Trac (at

23:13 <Romulus> Don't ask why I Code my own GUI, I can't hear bad language hurts my lungs to run off to w#$%

23:15 <PovAddict> that wiki page needs some work...

23:15 <mweltin> This brings up a good point,  a while back there was a good discussion about making changes to the database.

23:15 <PovAddict> for efficiency, yes

23:15 <mweltin> is there a wiki page about different types of upgrades.

23:16 <PovAddict> that database changes never went to anything more than just discussion

23:16 <mweltin> this upgrade will not effect my database stucture.

23:16 <mweltin> mmm it sounded like a real good idea.

23:17 <mweltin> You may need to do database upgrades also.

23:17 <mweltin> that was from SDTOUT of hte upgrade scirpt.

23:17 <PovAddict> yeah like adding new fields

23:18 <PovAddict> have you ever run the db_upgrade thing?

23:18 <mweltin> no, this was the first upgrade ever.  It doesn't look liek the db_upgrade is in my task list either (config.xml)

23:18 <PovAddict> wait, any idea how old the code was before?

23:18 <PovAddict> no. db upgrade is always run manually

23:19 <PovAddict> what revision did you have before upgrade?

23:19 <mweltin> I started doing this 2 months ago.

23:19 <mweltin> I had the server 6 code I think, but hte old client code

23:20 <PovAddict> no idea what rev. you had before?

23:20 <PovAddict> enter mysql prompt

23:20 <mweltin> no, but as with all upgrades what it was going to fix it didn't , and it broke some stuff.

23:21 <mweltin> Jord suggested it for the big pictures in the UOTD area.

23:21 <PovAddict> I see no big pics on UOTD

23:21 <mweltin> that remains, and now two links are broken

23:21 <PovAddict> well forum is broken until you do the db upgrades

23:21 <mweltin> for tsp

23:21 <mweltin> have not even looked there yet

23:22 <PovAddict> enter mysql prompt

23:22 <mweltin> good advice " Don't run this unless you know what you're doing!"

23:22 <PovAddict> what says that?

23:23 <MTughan> sudo?

23:23 <mweltin> db_update

23:23 <mweltin> .php

23:23 <mweltin> ok I have a mysql prompt.

23:23 <PovAddict> do 'show tables;' and see if you have a 'team_delta' table

23:23 <mweltin> yes

23:24 <mweltin> that table is there.

23:24 <PovAddict> ok, next change...

23:24 <PovAddict> describe table team;

23:25 <mweltin> ok

23:25 <PovAddict> what's the type of the 'ping_user' column?

23:25 <mweltin> int 11

23:25 <PovAddict> signed or unsigned?

23:25 <PovAddict> I think it should say...

23:26 <mweltin> dosen't say so my guess is signed.

23:26 <mweltin> ping time is unsigned.

23:26 <mweltin> are you checking to see if I have to run the db_update.php ?

23:27 <PovAddict> I'm checking to see what changes you need to apply

23:27 <PovAddict> what type is the description field on tem?

23:27 <PovAddict> team*

23:27 <mweltin> blob

23:27 <PovAddict> got it then

23:28 <PovAddict> you need all db updates starting on update_9_28_2007()

23:29 <mweltin> ok, there  are no comments in the db_update.php file that explain how to use it.

23:29 <PovAddict> ok hold on

23:29 <mweltin> for example how dose it know what database to use?

23:29 <mweltin> or did that get updated by the upgrade script, and I run that from my $PROJ_ROOT

23:30 <PovAddict> edit the script, go to the end

23:30 <mweltin> in PROJ_ROOT or boinc_working_copy ?

23:30 <PovAddict> in tsp/html/ops/db_upgrade.php

23:31 <PovAddict> so, project

23:31 <mweltin> ok

23:31 <PovAddict> see that commented out update_11_14_2007() call at the very end?

23:31 <mweltin> yes

23:31 <PovAddict> well, there you need to call all updates starting on update_9_28_2007()

23:32 <PovAddict> thanks to some regex I got the list:

23:32 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

23:32 <PovAddict> fairly ready to paste there

23:32 <mweltin> ok

23:32 <PovAddict> so, add that to the end of the file, then run it from the command line

23:33 <mweltin> so in the future how am I supposed to know what to add?

23:33 <PovAddict> remember what's the last that run...

23:33 <MTughan> Yeah, it's not exactly user friendly.

23:34 <mweltin> yeah, not exactly.

23:34 <mweltin> close

23:34 <PovAddict> you do the ./upgrade, then look at db_update.php and see... if there is any update you don't remember seeing before

23:34 <PovAddict> o.0

23:35 <mweltin> ok

23:35 <mweltin> cool, I can do that.

23:38 <mweltin> home page is still broke.

23:39 <MTughan> Nice...

23:39 <PovAddict> complaints > boinc_projects

23:39 <MTughan> You also misspelled crunch3r on the home page news.

23:39 <MTughan> "curnch3r"

23:39 <PovAddict> and I'm still twice \o/

23:40 <mweltin> yeah, I'll fix that later, right now the other errors are more my focus

23:40 <mweltin> you are that good PovAddict

23:40 <MTughan> Those are just missing localizations.

23:40 <mweltin> you should get double billing.

23:41 <MTughan> What are the two lines mentioned in the PHP notices?

23:41 <MTughan> 32 and 48.

23:41 <PovAddict> can't tell - his index.php is obviously customized

23:41 <mweltin> .tr(RULES_TITLE)

23:42 <mweltin> .tr(APPS_TITLE)

23:42 <MTughan> .tr(APPS_TITLE)

23:42 <MTughan> What's .tr()?

23:42 <mweltin> some tr function

23:42 <PovAddict> translation

23:42 <mweltin> I didnt' write it.

23:42 <PovAddict> mweltin: try deleting html/languages/last_compile_timer

23:42 <MTughan> Okay, so it is a missing translation then.

23:42 <MTughan> Well, localization issue.

23:42 <mweltin> I tried that already

23:44 <mweltin> just tried it again to make sure but no change

23:44 <PovAddict> complaints > boinc_projects

23:56 <MTughan> Holy crap... A 32GB USB flash drive!

23:56 <MTughan> $300CDN, but it exists...

23:56 <PovAddict> :o!

23:57 <MTughan>

23:57 <Romulus> <> (at

23:57 <MTughan> Rather ugly colour in my opinion...

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23:58 <MTughan> And what does 150X speed mean?

23:58 <PovAddict> I think it's CD rates

23:58 <MTughan> ...

23:58 <PovAddict> the same unit used for CD and CD drive speeds

23:58 <MTughan> What about DVDs?

23:59 <PovAddict> DVDs use a different unit

23:59 <MTughan> Yeah.

23:59 <MTughan> Anyway, the flash drive I'm looking at getting.

23:59 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to Corsair :: Flash Padlock Product Information (at

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