IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2007-11-26

00:00 <efc> I dunno how big it has to be to be really hard

00:00 <Romulus> humm how do i find out what to use windows

00:00 <efc> An utterly pointless exercise since you already know the answer..

00:00 <Tank_Master> make it 1000x10000 with one mine

00:01 <MTughan> That's a record... 0 seconds!

00:01 <Tank_Master> lol

00:01 <MTughan> Tank_Master: I would, but it has limits.

00:01 <MTughan> Mine is 24x30 with 10 mines.

00:01 <Tank_Master> would be 1000015 credits for 0 sec of work

00:01 <MTughan> One click, and you're done.  8)

00:02 <MTughan> Yay!!!

00:02 <Tank_Master> :P

00:02 <Tank_Master> sounds like my kinda project

00:02 <MTughan> Well, you can do it.

00:03 <Tank_Master> ill award myseld +1 credit for eeach credit someone else returns to

00:03 <MTughan> Which do you think is better? http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(1904)-SDCZ7-2048-A10-Cruzer_Titanium_2GB.aspx or http://www.corsair.com/products/padlock.aspx

00:03 <Romulus> Title: We’re sorry, the page you requested could not be found (at www.sandisk.com)

00:03 <MTughan> O_O

00:03 <Tank_Master> LOL

00:04 <MTughan> I have it open right now...

00:04 <Tank_Master> probably couldnt handle the double URL

00:04 <MTughan> Well, it's a Sandisk Cruzer Titanium and a Corsair Padlock, both 2GB.

00:05 <Tank_Master> fry's ahs on sale a 16GB for less than $150

00:05 <MTughan> I saw a 32GB here a little while ago...

00:05 <Tank_Master> nice

00:05 <Tank_Master> 64gb are out now to

00:05 <MTughan> $291 CDN. :P

00:06 <Tank_Master> you can run vista off a 64GB

00:06 <MTughan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/main.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016279&cid=990.420

00:06 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1AI:> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

00:06 <MTughan> The thing I would wonder: do you get better rates off USB than an internal drive? Not for HDs, I would think. Faster than CD/DVD for sure.

00:07 <Tank_Master> flask disks have a higher i/o throughput and a lower access time, but a lower top speed

00:08 <Tank_Master> that its getting much better lately

00:08 <MTughan> So USB is the limiter at this point.

00:08 <MTughan> eSATA's nice.

00:08 <Tank_Master> no, its not the interface that the limit

00:08 <Tank_Master> SATA2 is 300Mb/s, whereas USB2.0 is 480Mb/s

00:09 <MTughan> SATA2 is 3Gb/s.

00:09 <Tank_Master> 300MB, yeah, sorry

00:09 <Tank_Master> but there are flash HDs out that use the sata2 interface

00:09 <Tank_Master> those are what I was refering to anywya

00:09 <MTughan> Ah.

00:10 <Tank_Master> mostly 2.5", for laptops

00:10 <MTughan> Because they're more likely to experience shock.

00:10 <Tank_Master> where speed isnt an issue, the lower energy consumption is needed, and the cost is easier to hide

00:11 <Tank_Master> no, more for the energy consumption than the shock

00:11 <Romulus> have you got the cheapest i saw that on that

00:11 <MTughan> Well, shock too.

00:11 <Tank_Master> a flash drive consumes .5w max, but a standard drive is up to 20w

00:12 <MTughan> That's a big difference...

00:12 <MTughan> Now with OLEDs, they just need to bring down wireless power usage.

00:12 <MTughan> Or just LEDs in general.

00:12 <MTughan> Better than fluorescent bulbs.

00:14 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:14 <Tank_Master> better coler reproduction to

00:14 <Tank_Master> color*

00:14 <MTughan> True.

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00:15 <Tank_Master> wb mw~

00:15 <mweltin> thanks

00:15 <Tank_Master> oled wont need a backlight, which would be nice

00:15 <mweltin> que?

00:16 <Tank_Master> talkin to MT

00:16 <MTughan> We're talking about power consumption in laptops.

00:16 <efc> Have they tried building panels of LEDs (Not necessarily with the O)? Seems no harder than building a big LCD panel

00:16 <Tank_Master> flash drivers are starting to be used inside laptops

00:16 <mweltin> ahh, sorry MTughan I said I'b be right back but I got side trackd with the GF

00:16 <Tank_Master> lol

00:17 <MTughan> efc: Those have to be small LEDs...

00:17 <Tank_Master> as long as she's hot and into you, its all good ;)

00:17 <mweltin> not that kind of side tracked.

00:17 <MTughan> New XKCD...

00:17 <Tank_Master> lol

00:17 <mweltin> the, Why don't you spend time with me anymore kind.

00:17 <Tank_Master> ahh

00:17 <Tank_Master> cus BOINC is more important?

00:18 <mweltin> LOL

00:18 <Tank_Master> dosent she understand that this is a global thing?

00:18 <efc> I don't know why a small LED would be hard to make.. normally they make them big, just to be able to see them and dissipate heat better

00:18 <Tank_Master> :D

00:18 <MTughan> http://www.xkcd.com/349/

00:18 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe (at www.xkcd.com)

00:18 <mweltin> some day, she is a nurse/midwife and has the midnight shift today.

00:18 <mweltin> she just went to bed.

00:18 <mweltin> and it's only 6pm here

00:19 <mweltin> so I have several hours to fix this thing.

00:19 <Tank_Master> nice

00:19 <quail> g'afternoon all, how are we all?

00:19 <MTughan> 'lo quail

00:19 <mweltin> hey quail

00:20 <efc> moo quail

00:20 <MTughan> Hey, which do you guys think is better? http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(1904)-SDCZ7-2048-A10-Cruzer_Titanium_2GB.aspx

00:20 <Romulus> Title: We’re sorry, the page you requested could not be found (at www.sandisk.com)

00:20 <MTughan> http://www.corsair.com/products/padlock.aspx

00:20 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to Corsair :: Flash Padlock Product Information (at www.corsair.com)

00:21 <MTughan> I've had Sandisk drives before, and quite liked them. But the Corsair is an interesting idea, and seems to be a fast drive.

00:22 <quail> MTughan: I personall go with the sandisk, as I have never had any probs with products

00:22 <quail> *personally

00:23 <Tank_Master> is trml dead now?

00:23 <mweltin> MTughan, I think you got it, it was the sequence I was not updating correctly.

00:24 <MTughan> Do you have a fix?

00:24 <mweltin> I'm testing it now

00:24 <MTughan> Cool.

00:24 <Tank_Master> will it bring back ouy 11min times? :)

00:24 <mweltin> those days are gone Tank_Master

00:24 <MTughan> lol

00:25 <Tank_Master> :'(

00:25 <Tank_Master> lol

00:25 <mweltin> how about the 2sec app

00:25 <mweltin> those were the good old days

00:25 <MTughan> Getting emotional there, Tank_Master?

00:25 <Tank_Master> whats changed that they cont be like that anymore?

00:25 * MTughan mutilates Tank_Master with an alien door

00:25 <mweltin> log files getting full, running out of disk space.

00:25 <Tank_Master> I joined just after the 1-2sec app

00:25 <MTughan> Is that where zombie67 got all his credit?

00:25 <Tank_Master> ahh, so you made the WU longer to reduse the # of results...

00:26 <mweltin> checkpointing and status for one thing.

00:26 <Tank_Master> no, its his 25 dualcore or better comps

00:26 <MTughan> Does that explain an RAC of 750?

00:26 <mweltin> and take the load off my internet connection

00:26 <Tank_Master> he has 5 or 6 dual quadcore comps to

00:26 <mweltin> zombie is cranking through WU's

00:27 <Tank_Master> some at 3GHz

00:27 <MTughan> I'm at 50 with one dual-core.

00:27 <Tank_Master> I have 2 dualcore

00:27 <Tank_Master> 35 are P3s though

00:27 <mweltin> I have none

00:27 <Tank_Master> slow, but they work

00:27 <Tank_Master> I got arounf 55 total

00:27 <Tank_Master> 12 P4s

00:28 <MTughan> 740 total, 54 recent on TSP for me.

00:28 <Tank_Master> ahh

00:28 <Tank_Master> I got 55 total

00:28 <MTughan> New CAD now too...

00:28 <Tank_Master> all on TSP right now, as well as ABC, (64bit) and lattice (32bit)

00:29 <mweltin> thanks for the support

00:29 <mweltin> oh my GF just put on "the magnificent 7" and turned it off.  Thats a classic

00:30 <MTughan> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20071126

00:30 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1AIc> (at www.ctrlaltdel-online.com)

00:31 <Tank_Master> :P

00:32 <Tank_Master> lol

00:33 <Tank_Master> is zebra officially dead now?

00:33 <Tank_Master> or are they just having server issues

00:33 <mweltin> last suffix is never being updated.

00:33 <mweltin> ok fix coming very soon.

00:33 <Tank_Master> cool

00:35 <rubiks120> Hi

00:35 <Tank_Master> o.O?

00:36 * Tank_Master looks inquisitivly at rubiks120

00:36 <rubiks120> I know, Im a new face

00:36 <Tank_Master> ahh

00:36 <Tank_Master> ok ;)

00:36 <Tank_Master> hows it going?

00:36 <MTughan> As was I once...

00:36 <Tank_Master> werent we all?

00:36 <rubiks120> its going pretty good

00:36 <MTughan> True...

00:37 <Tank_Master> Ive only been here what, 2 weeks?

00:37 <MTughan> Really? Huh...

00:37 <rubiks120> rediscovered SETI after an alien conversation with my friend, then found the irc room

00:37 <mweltin> PovAddict, was born here.

00:37 <Tank_Master> lol, dosent seem like it, huh?

00:37 <Tank_Master> true

00:37 <Tank_Master> same with wdsmia

00:37 <MTughan> And xcamel.

00:37 * Tank_Master slaps TM-Work around a bit with a large trout

00:37 * MTughan slaps Tank_Master with a feared kungfu master

00:38 * MTughan hurts TM-Work with an idling whistle

00:38 <rubiks120> how are you doin Tank_Master

00:39 <Tank_Master> good

00:39 <Tank_Master> working on updating a list

00:39 <Tank_Master> (still)

00:39 <rubiks120> hmm, that sounds... exciting

00:39 <Tank_Master> http://www.setiusa.net/join

00:39 <Romulus> Title: Join Team SETI.USA (at www.setiusa.net)

00:39 <rubiks120> I am avoiding some homework that is due tomorrow

00:39 <Tank_Master> lol

00:39 <Tank_Master> I hear ya

00:40 <MTughan> Tank_Master: No.

00:40 <rubiks120> I have 2 classes and an hour break to get it done

00:40 <MTughan> http://wcg.userfriendly.org/

00:40 <Romulus> Title: Team UserFriendly.Org (at wcg.userfriendly.org)

00:40 <rubiks120> thats a big team there Tank_Master

00:41 <mweltin> rubiks120, have you thought about joining the TSP project?

00:42 <MTughan> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/

00:42 <Romulus> Title: TSP (at bob.myisland.as)

00:42 <rubiks120> mweltin, what is the TSP project? I just got boinc/seti running again

00:42 <mweltin> oh the meeting I was in disucssing the future of the AS intranet.

00:42 <Tank_Master> MTughan: no what?

00:42 <MTughan> It's kind of scary that I've memorized the URL for that...

00:42 <MTughan> Tank_Master: I'm not joining it.

00:42 <rubiks120> although I will say Im not ready to go joining any teams maybe after I get to know you guys

00:42 <mweltin> one guy had the nerve to say irc was dead and had been for years.

00:43 <Tank_Master> no, silly, thats the list im working on

00:43 <Tank_Master> sheesh

00:43 <Tank_Master> just a list of projects

00:43 <MTughan> Meh.

00:43 <mweltin> rubiks120, I'm half kidding, I'm the guy that runs tsp

00:43 <mweltin> I'm always trying to get people to sign up.

00:43 <Tank_Master> or trying to

00:43 <mweltin> LOL

00:43 <rubiks120> Tank_Master, o gotcha

00:43 <mweltin> hahahaaha

00:43 <Tank_Master> I got 16 projects to add to the list

00:43 <mweltin> trying to is a better description of what I do.

00:43 <Tank_Master> thats what I am doing now

00:44 <rubiks120> mweltin, are you in need of support for the project?

00:44 <Tank_Master> always ;)

00:44 <mweltin> always

00:44 <MTughan> GMTA.

00:45 <rubiks120> mweltin, math problems are always interesting, if I wasnt an engineering major I would be studying math, id give you some CPU power for that I think

00:46 <Tank_Master> ru: check this one out:

00:46 <Tank_Master> http://www.nanohive-1.org/atHome/

00:46 <Romulus> Title: NanoHive@Home - (at www.nanohive-1.org)

00:46 <MTughan> Windows only... :(

00:46 <mweltin> thanks, I gots me a degree in that there eng'neerin' too

00:46 <Tank_Master> developing nanosystems

00:46 <mweltin> computer and electrical

00:46 <rubiks120> I am studying mechanical right now

00:46 <mweltin> although I must say I SUCK at analog.

00:46 <MTughan> Looking at software for me.

00:47 <Romulus> nuf 4 2 nite 4 me 4 2 nite

00:47 <MTughan> Software engineering, that is.

00:47 <Tank_Master> im just looking to fix the crap you guys break ;)

00:47 <mweltin> well rubiks120 we would love to have you.

00:47 <Tank_Master> defently

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00:48 <MTughan> definitely*

00:48 <rubiks120> mweltin, is the TSP stuff open source by chance?

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00:48 <rubiks120> well in that case I will stick around, Im always looking for good conversation around this time of night

00:48 <MTughan> I know I'm building Mac clients for him...

00:48 <MTughan> Whether it's open-source or not, I can't say.

00:48 <rubiks120> which project is only windows supported?

00:49 <MTughan> NanoHive.

00:49 <mweltin> yes TSP is open

00:49 <MTughan> There are a few others.

00:49 <rubiks120> well, I cant run it here then, I use linux

00:49 <mweltin> you can grab the source from the svn repository

00:49 <rubiks120> I may do that and take a look

00:49 <mweltin> that reminds me I should change my db passwd.

00:49 <mweltin> it's in someof my code.

00:49 <MTughan> lol

00:49 <Tank_Master> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/

00:49 <Romulus> Title: TSP (at bob.myisland.as)

00:49 <Tank_Master> thats the URL to use

00:50 <MTughan> For BOINC, not SVN.

00:50 <mweltin> mysql will not let anyone connect from an outside host but stil

00:50 <mweltin> http://bob.myisland.as/svn/repos/tsp/trunk

00:50 <mweltin> is the repository

00:50 <mweltin> it will be updated soon if I stop chatting here.

00:50 <rubiks120> ok

00:51 <Tank_Master> LOL

00:51 <MTughan> And then we'll strain his Internet to update the source. >:D

00:53 <rubiks120> so should I wait to check out a copy of that to look at?

00:53 <MTughan> Probably.

00:53 <rubiks120> ok, I will wait then

00:53 <rubiks120> give me a chance to remember how to use svn anyway

00:53 <MTughan> svn co http://bob.myisland.as/svn/repos/tsp/trunk

00:53 <Tank_Master> :)

00:54 <rubiks120> easy enough

00:54 <MTughan> True.

00:54 <rubiks120> well the man page for svn sucks

00:54 <MTughan> svn help co

00:55 <rubiks120> after that I can just use update correct?

00:55 <MTughan> Yep.

00:55 <rubiks120> its starting to come back

00:55 <Tank_Master> nice

00:55 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Why is RenderFarm@Home listed there?

00:56 <Tank_Master> cus we had an account

00:57 <Tank_Master> thats one of the things Im working on, removing old projects

00:57 <rubiks120> so do you guys get involved with a lot of projects here?

00:57 <Tank_Master> RF, zivis, TRML, zebra...

00:57 <MTughan> I think I have 8 now.

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00:57 <Tank_Master> ?

00:57 <Tank_Master> 8 what?

00:57 <MTughan> Projects.

00:57 <Tank_Master> oh

00:57 <rubiks120> and how many computers running?

00:58 <MTughan> <rubiks120> so do you guys get involved with a lot of projects here?

00:58 <MTughan> I'm running only on dual-core.

00:58 <MTughan> s/only/one/

00:58 <Tank_Master> I yeah, I have an account for 71 or 72 projects now

00:58 <mweltin> ok its fixed.

00:58 <MTughan> Update?

00:58 <Tank_Master> sweet

00:58 <mweltin> you loose the last 100 or so

00:58 <mweltin> but that is nothing compared to 11!

00:59 <rubiks120> cool, I have 1 dual core and I may be getting an old computer as a personal server which would of course also run something if everything works out

00:59 <MTughan> So we can update SVN?

00:59 <MTughan> rubiks120: I have a P4 too, but haven't fired it up in a while.

00:59 <rubiks120> gotcha

01:00 <MTughan> mweltin: Did your bugfix work?

01:00 <mweltin> its -O2 right no -zero2

01:00 <mweltin> MTughan,  yes

01:00 <mweltin> although i have said that before.

01:00 <Tank_Master> hope so ;)

01:00 <Tank_Master> how often is the app checkpointing?

01:00 <rubiks120> should be -O2

01:00 <mweltin> same amount of time

01:00 <MTughan> Yes, the letter O.

01:00 <MTughan> Anyway, SVN doesn't seem to be updated.

01:01 <mweltin> I have not commited the changes yet

01:01 <MTughan> Damn my Internet...

01:01 <Tank_Master> hehe

01:01 <MTughan> I received the last 8 messages at once.

01:01 <mweltin> ok

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01:01 <mweltin> it's committed

01:02 <mweltin> revision 21

01:02 <MTughan> Done.

01:02 <Tidus> re:

01:02 <Tank_Master> hi tidus

01:03 <rubiks120> hmm I got a strange error

01:03 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/tsp.tar.bz2 for mweltin.

01:03 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-5w> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

01:03 <mweltin> you were faster than I was .

01:04 <mweltin> anyone here can put together a win app?

01:04 <MTughan> I like that... :P

01:04 <rubiks120> any ideas on 405 Method Not Allowed (http://bob.myisland.as)?

01:04 <MTughan> Hmm... I wonder if I can run MinGW in WINE...

01:04 <MTughan> rubiks120: I just get a link to TSP.

01:05 <rubiks120> that was the svn error

01:05 <MTughan> Although it should probably be an HTTP redirect.

01:05 <mweltin> you need the /tsp

01:05 <mweltin> there is nothing really at bob.myisland.as

01:05 <mweltin> I use it for whatever demo I'm working on.

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01:06 <mweltin> I got a do a moch up for the department of health soon.

01:06 <mweltin> I hate working for those guys.

01:06 <Tank_Master> lol

01:06 <mweltin> I'd just like to stay ignorant of stuff on this island that can kill me.

01:06 <Tank_Master> same here

01:06 <Tank_Master> let me have fun

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01:07 <Tank_Master> not be worried about everything

01:07 <mweltin> but nooooooo I have to make a website for syndromic data.

01:07 <Tank_Master> lol

01:07 <rubiks120> well, svn is having problems

01:07 <Tank_Master> at least you get to go diving almost daily

01:07 <MTughan> rubiks120: Did you use the right URL?

01:07 <rubiks120> mweltin, I did actually type out the full url

01:07 <MTughan> http://bob.myisland.as/svn/repos/tsp/trunk ?

01:07 <rubiks120> I used http://bob.myisland.as/svn/repos/tsp/trunk

01:07 <MTughan> Try svn://bob.myisland.as/svn/repos/tsp/trunk .

01:08 <mweltin> oh sorry,

01:08 <mweltin> I didn't put up the web interface

01:08 <mweltin> or use http

01:08 <mweltin> I installed their svn server

01:08 <mweltin> whatever that is called.

01:08 <rubiks120> ok

01:08 <mweltin> MTughan, is right you have to ues svn://

01:08 <mweltin> sorry

01:09 <rubiks120> ok that worked just fine

01:09 <rubiks120> no need to apologize for that

01:09 <mweltin> I'm gonna give a shot at a  mingW build

01:10 <MTughan> Heh... I may be able to install the MinGW GCC compiler on my system.

01:11 <Tank_Master> gl ;)

01:11 <MTughan> I found instructions. ;)

01:12 <mweltin> nice

01:12 <mweltin> what is dbghelp.h and why don't I have it?

01:14 <Tank_Master> lol

01:14 <Tank_Master> cus your better than it is

01:17 <mweltin> I hate windows

01:17 <Tank_Master> hate?  windows?

01:17 <MTughan> Don't we all...

01:17 <Tank_Master> at least its kernel dosent pannic

01:17 <MTughan> You never BSODed?

01:18 <rubiks120> ahh my roomates starting to snore

01:18 <MTughan> lol

01:18 <Tank_Master> not in a few years

01:18 <Tank_Master> save when the one time I installed the wrong drivers for an old USB device

01:18 <Tank_Master> it didnt like the win98 drivers ;)

01:18 <MTughan> lol

01:19 <Tank_Master> it spit thouse right back out

01:19 <rubiks120> im glad Ive finally started converting my family over to linux

01:19 <Tank_Master> waa?

01:19 <rubiks120> I've convinced them to give up on windows for at least one home computer

01:19 <rubiks120> not including mine

01:19 <Romulus> Ontario. Live just outside trying to build with current technology

01:19 <Tank_Master> yeah, my grandma will never figure that OS out

01:20 <rubiks120> Tank_Master, windows or linux?

01:20 <Tank_Master> linux

01:20 <Tank_Master> she's finally gottin e-mail to work, and solitar

01:20 <rubiks120> set her up with Kubuntu, cant get much closer to windows, dont know about having solitare

01:20 <Tank_Master> havent been able to get her to use the internet much yet

01:21 <Tank_Master> she's still on denila-up to

01:21 <Tank_Master> deinal*

01:21 <MTughan> denial?

01:21 <rubiks120> my grandparents are still on dialup... I dont know how they do it

01:21 <Tank_Master> when was the last time you used dial-up and it didnt deni you from something because of its slow speed?

01:22 <mweltin> my grandfater is in his 90's and is all about the internet and just got a new mp3 player.  The other people where he lives thought it was a hearing aid, and he was very proud to show them it wasn't.

01:22 <MTughan> lol

01:22 <rubiks120> I havent had to use dial up in years, so i cant answer that question =P

01:22 <rubiks120> haha

01:22 <Tank_Master> nice

01:22 <MTughan> I think we last had dial-up over 6 years ago...

01:23 <MTughan> It's been a long time, and I don't know how one of my friends works on dial-up.

01:23 <rubiks120> now its all about wireless high speed internet

01:23 <Tidus> last time i had dial up was about 3 years ago

01:23 <rubiks120> I even went as far as to set up a wireless router in my dorm room so im not tied to my desk

01:25 <MTughan> &ping

01:25 <Romulus> pong

01:25 <MTughan> Okay, so my Internet didn't drop out again...

01:26 <MTughan> Too bad I have to keep the music down... Song's called Adding to the Noise...

01:26 * MTughan is listening to Adding To The Noise by Switchfoot from The Beautiful Letdown

01:26 <Soul_keeper> quake4 rocks

01:26 <Soul_keeper> linux gaming at it's best

01:26 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/quake4/screenshots/

01:26 <Romulus> Title: Index of /quake4/screenshots (at sterlingdesktops.com)

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01:26 <Tank_Master_> humm, dumb internet

01:27 * freelarry just found a 53k modem dial up style while cleaning out old comp room

01:27 <Tank_Master_> nice

01:28 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Very interesting indeed... I'm not one for shooters though.

01:28 * freelarry wonders if should put into the new linux build - for waht - no clue

01:28 * Tank_Master_ missed sole_keeper's post

01:29 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/quake4/screenshots/

01:29 <Romulus> Title: Index of /quake4/screenshots (at sterlingdesktops.com)

01:29 <Soul_keeper> linux gaming at it's best

01:29 <Tank_Master_> lol

01:29 <Tank_Master_> Ill still take my UT3

01:30 <freelarry> so i noticed as has a whole chapter in the fedora 7 book on how to install and setup quake

01:30 <Tank_Master_> lol

01:30 <Tank_Master_> nice

01:31 <Soul_keeper> i'd be playing ut3 right now but they slacked and didn't release it with the linux installer

01:31 <Tank_Master_> its not out yet

01:31 <Soul_keeper> so i had to buy quake4 to tide me over untill they get it released

01:31 <Tank_Master_> well, the demo is...

01:31 <Tank_Master_> is the demo out of beta yet?

01:31 <Soul_keeper> nah ut3 came out the day before thanksgiving

01:31 <Romulus> attaches some deer-freezer lights to the ice, and that feature

01:31 <Tank_Master_> did it?

01:31 <Soul_keeper> i picked it up the day it came out

01:31 <Tank_Master_> I thgouth it wasnt till the 26th

01:31 <Soul_keeper> i was looking forward to it for awhile

01:32 <Soul_keeper> gamestop had it

01:35 <Tank_Master_> I see fry's has it

01:35 <Tank_Master_> man, I wish I had gotten the pre-orger at best-by

01:35 <Tank_Master_> was only $10

01:36 <MTughan> Gah... So exciting, but I really do have to get to bed soon...

01:36 <Tank_Master_> ok, gn MT

01:36 <MTughan> Not your thing, getting MinGW installed on OS X.

01:36 <Soul_keeper> no need for a preorder, they'll likely have it in stock

01:36 <Tank_Master_> but its $50 now

01:36 <Tank_Master_> not $10

01:36 <Soul_keeper> ahh

01:36 <Tank_Master_> big diff

01:36 <Tank_Master_> $50 is a bit much

01:37 <MTughan> What is UT3?

01:37 <Tank_Master_> a first person shooter

01:37 <Tank_Master_> like doom

01:37 <Tank_Master_> or quake

01:37 <Tank_Master_> but better

01:39 <Soul_keeper> :)

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01:50 <Tank_Master> now... why wouldnt hydrogen be showing up on the list of project for my team at boincstats?

01:55 <rubiks120> beats me, but Im out for the night nice talking to you guys

01:58 <Tank_Master> gn

01:58 <MTughan> Hmm... mweltin, any luck on the MinGW app?

01:59 <MTughan> I've got what looks like a working Windows version. :D

01:59 <MTughan> Of MinGW, at least.

01:59 <mweltin> not with mingw but I'm getting closer with MSVS believe it or not.

01:59 <mweltin> I just built my lib dir

01:59 <MTughan> Um... MSYS is just a frontend to MinGW.

02:00 <mweltin> yes

02:00 <mweltin> its the "shell" part

02:00 <MTughan> Well, as long as you know that.

02:01 <MTughan> Hmm, kind of forgot about that until now... I don't have Windows versions of expat or BOINC...

02:02 <MTughan> Well, issue for tomorrow. 2AM now. Night all.

02:02 <MTughan> The fact that I got this far at all is a bit of an achievement...

02:02 <mweltin> night

02:03 <mweltin> thanks for the mac builds

02:03 <MTughan> np

02:03 <Tank_Master> gn MT

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02:43 <Tank_Master> im headin to bed now to

02:43 <mweltin> ok

02:43 <mweltin> later man

02:43 <Tank_Master> gl with the project, mw

02:43 <mweltin> thanks

02:43 <mweltin> g' night

02:47 <Tank_Master> its 26f out now

02:47 <Tank_Master> lowest Ive seen here so far this fall

02:47 <mweltin> it shoudn't get that cold in P-town

02:47 <Romulus> make sure you can put together for the new "grids" on boinc projects?

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02:48 <mweltin> PITS_9293, you ever build boinc projects on windows?

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04:00 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 41.9F / 5.5C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Occasional showers. Highs in the upper 40s. Temperatures falling into the mid 40s this afternoon. East winds 5 to 10 mph... becoming west 10 to 15 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. Rain showers likely (1 more message)

04:00 <CoderForLife> &more

04:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: with a chance of snow showers in the evening...then a chance of rain showers with a slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Little or no snow accumulation. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:01 <Tidus> howdy CFL

04:01 <CoderForLife> hello Tidus

04:01 <mweltin> hey cfl

04:01 <Tidus> how's it goin on your corner of the world ?

04:02 <CoderForLife> Happy Monday After Thanksgiving At 4:00AM

04:02 <CoderForLife> hello mweltin

04:02 <Tidus> lol... only 3am here

04:02 <mweltin> 11pm sunday here

04:02 <CoderForLife> hehe  the best is yet to come

04:02 <mweltin> had a good dive today as well.

04:03 <mweltin> this windows crap is killing me.

04:03 <mweltin> I have been trying to compile on windows for the last two days.

04:03 <Tidus> lol... why do you think i'm gettin rid of windows on my laptop

04:03 <mweltin> so far nothing.

04:04 <mweltin> I'm only using it for boinc

04:04 <mweltin> trying to build my boinc app on it

04:04 <mweltin> I just don't understand what i'm doing.

04:10 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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04:17 <CoderForLife> b

04:17 <Tidus> wb

04:18 <CoderForLife> thx

04:26 <Tidus> and this is why i don't boinc on laptops...

04:26 <Tidus> <setting not supported>

04:26 <Tidus> cooling mode:critical

04:26 <Tidus> temperature:             68 C

04:26 <Romulus> right side be empty (except for the house up

04:29 <Tidus> this thing be runnin a wee bit warm...

04:31 <mweltin> ya think

04:33 <Tidus> that's with the cpu heatsink / fans cleaned out

04:35 <Tidus> Dell Inspiron 5100 laptop, using a desktop p4-2.4 chip

04:35 <mweltin> what kind of laptop?

04:35 <Tidus> ... crappy design

04:35 <mweltin> ahh

04:35 <mweltin> I have a 600m and it gets hot but not that bad

04:35 <mweltin> my thinkPad is great

04:35 <Tidus> and the 5100s were notorious for having badly designed heatsinks

04:35 <Tidus> this one's been replaced before

04:36 <Tidus> i mean it never gets up to the throttle point, but it gets close

04:36 <Tidus> and that's with a completely clean heatsink

04:38 <mweltin> ok I'm going to call it a night.

04:38 <mweltin> take care Tidus

04:38 <Tidus> alrighty man... seeya round like a doughnut

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05:14 * CoderForLife feverishly tries to get his homew@$% done before having to get ready for w@#%

05:24 <CoderForLife> it's happy happy get-ready-for-w@#% time

05:25 <CoderForLife> cya later

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05:36 <E-30> hey

05:47 <Tidus> howdy

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06:30 <E-30> hey tidus how are you doing today

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06:55 <quail> now this looks kewl >>> http://www.gizoo.co.uk/Products/ToysGames/RadioControl/MeccanoSpykeRobot.htm  <<< I want one

06:55 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1B1K> (at www.gizoo.co.uk)

07:11 <hawmps> 'lo

07:20 <MTughan> And we're off to school...

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07:25 <quail> hiya Jay

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08:06 <hawmps> 'mornin

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08:16 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

08:16 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 15F / -9C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 30.24in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Highs around 44 on the North Rim to around 64 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 26 on the North Rim to around 31 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy. Highs (1 more message)

08:16 <BadBarbarian> &more

08:16 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: around 48 on the North Rim to around 67 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph late in the afternoon.;

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10:30 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

10:30 <Tank_Master> &more

10:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

10:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 37.5F / 3.1C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Patchy fog in the morning. Partly sunny in the morning... then cloudy with a chance of rain in the afternoon. Highs around 45. South wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts to 30 mph.; Tonight - Rain in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows (1 more message)

10:30 <Tank_Master> &more

10:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 35 to 40. Southwest wind 15 to 20 mph decreasing to 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs around 45. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;

10:30 <Romulus> read it and started it as wx-version >=2.6.0

10:31 <freelarry> ah my i see Burp mostly offline as for reporting in or crunching again - server died

10:31 <Tank_Master> 37f out now?? riiigghhtt

10:31 <Tank_Master> try 27

10:31 <freelarry> at least  its not frosty out here today Tank_Master

10:32 <Tank_Master> its frosty here

10:32 <Tank_Master> was foggy last night, and got down to 26...

10:34 <freelarry> yeah last night before bed had to make a run to store and car was frosted over but just damp this am

10:35 <freelarry> tho i heard the weatherman on tv use the S word in his forecast last night ( ran sreaming from room before i heard where)

10:35 <freelarry> screaming that is

10:35 <Tank_Master> :)

10:35 <freelarry> have a great day - gots to run about a bit

10:36 <Tank_Master> the personal weather thingy that we have forcasted flurrys this morning, but allas, didnt happen :(

10:36 <Tank_Master> same here

10:36 <Tank_Master> I gotta g2 work in 5 min

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11:04 <hawmps> &weather 12020

11:04 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 37.2F / 2.9C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain likely this morning...then rain this afternoon. Rain may be heavy at times this afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds around 5 mph...becoming east around 5 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Tonight - Rain. (1 more message)

11:05 <freelarry> burr jay

11:05 <freelarry> &weather 98366

11:05 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 30F / -1C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Today - Rain likely. Highs in the lower to mid 40s. South wind to 10 mph.; Tonight - Rain in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the lower to mid 30s. A little snow possible on the higher hills. West wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - (1 more message)

11:05 <freelarry> my heatpump shows 34 out

11:06 <Romulus> hmm mine was that the one with 192m

11:06 <freelarry> agh censor not working on the weather - there's that S word

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11:19 <hawmps> had some of that this morning...

11:19 <hawmps> didn't last

11:19 <freelarry> thats good - still a little early

11:20 <freelarry> northern ski areas begining to open for season around here

11:20 <hawmps> one opened here

11:20 <freelarry> ski report showed 3 areas open here

11:21 <freelarry> but only around 30 in base

11:21 <PriitM_> &weather Tallinn

11:21 <Romulus> PriitM_: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.39in / 995hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 5:50 PM EET; Chance of Rain. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Chance of Snow. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Overcast. Low:26 F. / -3 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 F. / -4 (1 more message)

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11:26 * freelarry guesses a trip to cable company in order today - wife asking about a particular tv channel type and need to see if its offered from them

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11:42 <BadBarbarian> we are still below freezing here at 10 am lol

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11:44 <E-30> hi

11:50 <freelarry> morn

11:50 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_simap_object_month_users_343.gif

11:50 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Bbb> (at boincstats.com)

11:50 <Romulus> Tidus: I read about McCulloch, but can;t seem to break orbit of planet MC, and prepare for FTL jump

11:51 <freelarry> looking good PovAddict

11:53 <E-30> hey

11:53 <E-30> good job

11:53 <E-30> how did you get that much in one day

11:54 <PovAddict> not in one day

11:54 <PovAddict> that's the monthly graph

11:54 <PovAddict> see the scale at the bottom

11:54 <BadBarbarian> morning all

11:54 <E-30> i see not bad

11:57 <E-30> morring

11:59 <E-30> well time to go play my games now

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12:47 <E-30> ok i am back

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14:10 <mweltin> ha'lo everybody

14:11 <yoyo[RKN]> good evening Markus

14:11 <mweltin> I think my app is debugged.

14:11 <mweltin> i ran  query looking for invalid results for the new app version and came up empty.

14:12 <PovAddict> lies

14:12 <PovAddict> there's always hidden bugs

14:12 <mweltin> I'm looking at the total number now.

14:12 <yoyo[RKN]> there is no bug free software

14:12 <mweltin> as long as they stay hidden what is the difference.

14:13 <mweltin> which reminds me PovAddict would you be kind enough to make a mingw version.

14:13 <mweltin> of course turns out there are only 44 results

14:13 <mweltin> I thought there would be more.

14:13 <mweltin> I got closer to building under windows myself last night.

14:14 <mweltin> finially found libboincapi.lib

14:14 <mweltin> it was in boinc_samples which only downloaded the first time, but didn't think I needed again.

14:14 <mweltin> I'm stil having linking issues.

14:15 <mweltin> but I got one step closer and that is a good thing.

14:18 <freelarry> well last 2 machines on a kvm again - had to figure out kb switch again

14:18 <PovAddict> http://cad-comic.com/comics/20071124.jpg

14:23 <mweltin> PovAddict, if you have time would you build a mingw tsp app please?

14:24 <Romulus> anyone running boinc and is thankful that it should probably hold of that yet whil i was hoping to cut it...

14:25 <PovAddict> crap, more conflicts

14:25 <PovAddict> why does the makefile always show as a conflict? did you edit it again?

14:26 <mweltin> I took out the absolute paths, they seemed to upset you last time.

14:26 <PovAddict> well I dont have an E: drive

14:26 <mweltin> and I took out hte -g and put in -O2

14:27 <mweltin> but that was the only change I recall.

14:27 <mweltin> ahhh but I use the DEBUG variable to do both.

14:27 <mweltin> I'll make a new variable for optimization next time.

14:27 <mweltin> and just comment one or the other out.

14:28 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/tsp_21.exe

14:30 <mweltin> many thanks

14:30 <mweltin> is my $PORJ_ROOT visible to the outside world?

14:31 <PovAddict> define outside world?

14:31 <mweltin> Anyone other than me.

14:31 <PovAddict> nope...

14:32 <sethy> almost xmas, better dig out the /ns info

14:32 <mweltin> David Anderson reminded me to move my keys to a different machine.

14:32 <PovAddict> after all there's users' account keys on projectroot/logs/cgi.log

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14:33 <PovAddict> yeah thing is, IF somebody hacks into your "server", but you moved the private keys to another machine, he won't be able to send new (malicious) applications

14:33 <sethy> WTF

14:33 <mweltin> I think he means my code signing keys.

14:33 <PovAddict> correct

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14:33 <The_XMas_Turkey> thur we goes

14:33 <mweltin> I don't really have the resources to move them to a non networked machince.

14:34 <PovAddict> me neither

14:34 <PovAddict> honestly I just kept them on a passworded zip

14:34 <mweltin> I feel safer with them on this box, more so than my winXP box

14:34 <mweltin> ok

14:34 <PovAddict> 7zip, with AES encryption (not the lame easily-crackable .zip encryption)

14:35 <The_XMas_Turkey> SamInside for lm hash?

14:35 <The_XMas_Turkey> or cain <3?

14:36 <mweltin> I can always generate new keys right?

14:36 <The_XMas_Turkey> everyone can generate keys

14:36 <mweltin> What I thik I'll do is drop then an a usb drive.

14:36 <PovAddict> no you can't generate new keys... that's the whole point...

14:36 <PovAddict> if you could generate new keys, so would a hacker getting on your server

14:36 <PovAddict> if you sign the apps using different keys, the clients will refuse to run the apps

14:37 <The_XMas_Turkey> so would a sethy getting on your server?

14:37 <mweltin> lets assume I get hacked,

14:37 <The_XMas_Turkey> it wasnt me

14:37 <The_XMas_Turkey> i swear

14:37 <mweltin> I believe you

14:37 <The_XMas_Turkey> good

14:38 <mweltin> rebuilding my apps and generating news keys will not help me?

14:38 <The_XMas_Turkey> there is a german beer festival near my college, its awesome :D

14:38 <The_XMas_Turkey> CoderForLife: howdo

14:38 <PovAddict> if you get hacked, the hacker can't send new apps, because he doesn't have the private keys

14:38 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmm I miss beer.

14:38 <mweltin> ok

14:38 <The_XMas_Turkey> PovAddict & mweltin: PGP?

14:38 <PovAddict> (well, he can, but the clients won't run them anyway)

14:38 <mweltin> I get it thanks PovAddict

14:39 <PovAddict> The_XMas_Turkey: yes it's PGP

14:39 <The_XMas_Turkey> <3

14:39 <The_XMas_Turkey> pgp is awesome

14:39 <PovAddict> note it's a PGP signature, not encryption...

14:39 <The_XMas_Turkey> i love the 2048 bit keys you can generate

14:40 <PovAddict> I think boinc uses 2048 bit keys, yeah

14:40 <mweltin> as I recall I need to keep the public keys readable by the server.

14:40 <The_XMas_Turkey> very sexy

14:40 <mweltin> is that true?

14:40 <PovAddict> mweltin: yes, the server sends the public key to the client, the client uses the public key to check the signature of the apps

14:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> the client can resend info back to you and you open it with private key

14:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> amrite?

14:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> or amrite?

14:41 <mweltin> ok so as per Andersons suggestion, I dumped my private keys to a usb drive and deleted them from my $POJROOT/keys

14:41 <PovAddict> there is another signing key for uploaded files but I don't understand how that one is used

14:41 <PovAddict> mweltin: only the code signing key

14:41 <mweltin> oops

14:42 <PovAddict> mweltin: I think both upload keys are needed on the server

14:42 <The_XMas_Turkey> i beleive sabayon comes standard with a pgp app

14:42 <The_XMas_Turkey> i want a windows one

14:42 * The_XMas_Turkey gewgles

14:42 <PovAddict> The_XMas_Turkey: I believe all linux distros have gpg

14:42 <PovAddict> I think GPG = GNU PGP

14:42 <The_XMas_Turkey> DSL DOESNT!

14:42 <PovAddict> s/all/most

14:42 <PovAddict> FINE?

14:42 <The_XMas_Turkey> no

14:42 <The_XMas_Turkey> gOS doesnt

14:42 <PovAddict> ~11

14:43 <PovAddict> I bet it does

14:43 <The_XMas_Turkey> i like gOS actually, you tried it?

14:43 <PovAddict> no I didnt try it

14:43 <The_XMas_Turkey> go nao

14:43 <The_XMas_Turkey> i bet it doesnt

14:43 <PovAddict> noes

14:43 <PovAddict> open a shell and type pgp, I bet it does

14:43 <PovAddict> it just doesn't have a GUI thingy

14:43 <The_XMas_Turkey> open a shell and type k PovAddict 15

14:43 <The_XMas_Turkey> i bet it does

14:44 <PovAddict> wut

14:44 <The_XMas_Turkey> nothing :$

14:44 <mweltin> I like that you build apps with hte svn revision number.

14:45 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: ping

14:45 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: how often do you generate xml stats?

14:49 <The_XMas_Turkey> WHO USES PACKETSTORM?

14:50 <yoyo[RKN]> pong

14:50 <yoyo[RKN]> every 2h

14:50 <The_XMas_Turkey> ping

14:50 <The_XMas_Turkey> &ping

14:50 <Romulus> pong

14:50 <The_XMas_Turkey> ty

14:51 <yoyo[RKN]> why PovAddict

14:51 <mweltin> ok gotta take care of the dog.  Thanks for the app PovAddict I honestly thing I got it this time.

14:51 <yoyo[RKN]> maybe I reduce it

14:52 <mweltin> got it as in, fixed all visible bugs.

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15:05 <The_XMas_Turkey> o o o PovAddict

15:05 <The_XMas_Turkey> you know textfiles.com?

15:05 <PovAddict> no

15:05 <The_XMas_Turkey> well go look now

15:06 <The_XMas_Turkey> you will like it very much so

15:06 <The_XMas_Turkey> and click on where are the files? to see the files

15:07 <PovAddict> http://www.textfiles.com/100/balls.txt

15:07 <The_XMas_Turkey> did you say balls?

15:09 <The_XMas_Turkey> how come romy hasnt uberlinkied it yet?

15:09 <PovAddict> not html?

15:09 <The_XMas_Turkey> true

15:09 <The_XMas_Turkey> but still would have expected tinyurl

15:10 <The_XMas_Turkey> http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/hijack.hac

15:11 <The_XMas_Turkey> k?

15:11 <yoyo[RKN]> i changed it to 6h PovAddict

15:12 <The_XMas_Turkey> pov if you wana download them all use here http://archives.textfiles.com/

15:12 <Romulus> Title: Index of / (at archives.textfiles.com)

15:12 <The_XMas_Turkey> INDEX

15:14 <The_XMas_Turkey> NDWrapper

15:17 <The_XMas_Turkey> SPAM: Apple iPhone now available in the UK

15:17 <The_XMas_Turkey> liek I KNOW!!

15:19 <The_XMas_Turkey> PovAddict: remember when you said you want my B/W

15:19 <The_XMas_Turkey> ?

15:19 <PovAddict> yea

15:19 <PovAddict> well

15:20 <PovAddict> gotta wait for seti to update its stats i guess

15:20 <The_XMas_Turkey> you so do not want it right now

15:20 <The_XMas_Turkey> getting less than dialup speed here...

15:20 <PovAddict> or we could start a stats archive from a different proj

15:20 <The_XMas_Turkey> what did i just say?

15:23 <The_XMas_Turkey> lol @ xkcd

15:23 <PovAddict> lol @ tooltip text

15:23 <PovAddict> "40% of OpenBSD installs lead to shark attacks.  It's their only standing security issue."

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15:24 <E-30> ok

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15:25 <PovAddict> I have like 580 pendings on simap

15:26 <The_XMas_Turkey> i have gay download rate

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15:28 <PovAddict> The_XMas_Turkey: www.speedtest.net

15:28 <The_XMas_Turkey> cant

15:28 <The_XMas_Turkey> busy

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15:30 <The_XMas_Turkey> PovAddict: http://www.speedtest.net/result/206125781.png

15:31 <The_XMas_Turkey> but DTA is giving me < 56K modem

15:31 <PovAddict> downloading what?

15:31 <Romulus> is that the one to wrk at lats

15:32 <The_XMas_Turkey> teh textfiles zip archives

15:32 <PovAddict> textfiles server slow?

15:32 <The_XMas_Turkey> nowai

15:33 <The_XMas_Turkey> anyway i'm meant to be on 8Meg Broadband not 2

15:37 <The_XMas_Turkey> sexy sleep taimz for me, ttyl (yes i know its early)

15:41 <PriitM_> http://www.speedtest.net/result/206132261.png I'm supposed to have 4mbit net =/

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16:00 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : Is your project IMP@home or renderfarm@home or both and in which state is it, when will it be open to render something?

16:03 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:24 <E-30> &weather wiesbaden

16:24 <Romulus> E-30: Temperature: 37.0°F / 2.8°C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1026.6hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 3.6mph / 5.8km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:33 F. / 1 C.; Chance of Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F. / 4 (1 more message)

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16:26 <xcamel> 'lo E-30

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16:28 <freelarry> http://www.speedtest.net/result/206157871.png

16:28 <E-30> hey freelarry

16:29 <rubiks120> anyone here running the tsp project?

16:29 <mweltin> I am

16:30 <freelarry> http://www.speedtest.net/result/206158826.png

16:30 <freelarry> howdy E-30

16:30 <rubiks120> ok, is it normal for it to have a validation error on 4 out of 5 work units?

16:30 <Romulus> 14 hours uptime, 4 hours ago. oh well - back feeling good about now

16:30 <freelarry> looks like i get faster dl's from further away but slower ul

16:31 * freelarry seems to remember a conversation that tsp had a bunch of bad wu's that needed to be ran thru

16:32 <mweltin> no

16:32 <mweltin> which app version do you have? 2.15?

16:32 <rubiks120> hang on

16:32 <mweltin> 2.14 may have lots of validation errors.

16:33 <rubiks120> I have whatever it downloaded to run.. let me see if I can find that

16:34 <mweltin> windows box?

16:35 <rubiks120> linux, this is my first time with this software on linux

16:35 <rubiks120> still learning where it puts everything

16:35 <mweltin> sometimes you can see in the message.

16:35 <mweltin> do you know the WU id's

16:35 <mweltin> i can check them for you.

16:36 <rubiks120> hang on

16:36 <yoyo[RKN]> http://www.speedtest.net/result/206160723.png

16:36 <rubiks120> 180111 is one of them

16:37 <rubiks120> and tsp version 2.14

16:37 * yoyo[RKN] wonders why tsp wu number is so big

16:38 <mweltin> ok, 2.15 fixed a bug in the checkpointing code.

16:38 <mweltin> if the app was suspended for some reason, and it had to restart by reading the worunit_state file it would have got some incorrect data.

16:39 <rubiks120> ok so that means everyone of my units will error out

16:39 <mweltin> no

16:39 <mweltin> only the ones that get restarted for some reason.

16:39 <rubiks120> well, they dont finish before being paused

16:39 <rubiks120> they are taking a litlte over an hour, and my computer switches every hour between this and seti

16:39 <mweltin> and when you get the 2.15 app you should be in good standing.

16:40 <E-30> well thats better now

16:40 <mweltin> how fast is your computer.

16:40 <mweltin> on my 1.3GHz box all my WU's would fail.

16:40 <mweltin> but on a faster box my Wu's can finish in under an hour.

16:40 <rubiks120> I have a dual core 1.83 ghz but boinc only gets 50% of the cpu

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16:41 <mweltin> yoyo[RKN], I produce a lot of workunits.

16:41 <yoyo[RKN]> I'm just at 130.000

16:42 <mweltin> I have 790 users (wow that always shocks me)

16:42 <rubiks120> ok, well I paused boinc I will let tsp finish these out so I can get some units done, then I will worry about upgrading to 2.15 which it seems boinc hasnt wanted to do yet

16:42 <rubiks120> err I paused seti

16:42 <mweltin> you can just abort those Wu's

16:42 <mweltin> no reason to waste time on them.

16:42 <mweltin> what platform do you run?

16:42 <rubiks120> platform? for boinc?

16:42 <BadBarbarian> hi all

16:42 <mweltin> no, OS

16:43 <yoyo[RKN]> 1327 user @yoyo

16:43 <rubiks120> oo Im using gentoo linux

16:43 <mweltin> winXP, Mac, linux ?

16:43 <E-30> vista

16:43 <E-30> and xp

16:43 <mweltin> mmmmmmm you should already have 2.15

16:43 <mweltin> I put that up yesterday.

16:44 <rubiks120> i just tried to update and it didnt seem to pull in a new one from the messages

16:44 <mweltin> wow yoyo[RKN] you have a lot of users!

16:44 <yoyo[RKN]> I deleted already some spammer

16:44 <rubiks120> I will see if it comes in while Im finished these

16:45 <rubiks120> not a huge deal

16:45 <mweltin> that is strange as the 2.14 was depricated for linux a while ago.

16:45 <mweltin> WHAT!

16:45 <mweltin> not a huge deal ?!?!?

16:45 <mweltin> jsut kidding

16:45 <mweltin> you are right it's not a big deal.

16:45 <rubiks120> look at it this way, your getting more CPU time because of it, at least for today

16:45 <mweltin> but please let me know if you still have trouble.

16:45 <rubiks120> ill keep you posted

16:46 <mweltin> thanks

16:46 <rubiks120> at any rate, how are ya doing today?

16:46 <yoyo[RKN]> mweltin : spammers are already in your project

16:46 <yoyo[RKN]> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/profile_search_action.php?search_string=cheap

16:46 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1CES> (at bob.myisland.as)

16:47 <mweltin> crap

16:48 <E-30> wow

16:48 <E-30> not cool

16:48 <rubiks120> crap? the days been that good?

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16:48 <rubiks120> nvm, just checked the link

16:48 <mweltin> well I'm going to have to use the askimet key

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16:52 <mweltin> yoyo[RKN], how do you delete users?

16:52 <mweltin> or ban them from posting.

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16:53 <rubiks120> yea

16:53 <yoyo[RKN]> I use a sql statement to find suspicious user

16:53 <yoyo[RKN]> user without a host attached

16:53 <yoyo[RKN]> select user.id, user.name, user.total_credit from user left join host on user.id=host.userid where teamid=0 and host.userid is null order by user.id;

16:54 <yoyo[RKN]> in this output you see on the name if it is a spammer or not

16:55 <mweltin> but then what.

16:55 <yoyo[RKN]> to delete the user you must delete the id in user, profile, forum tables

16:55 <mweltin> just delete from user where user.id = xxx ?

16:55 <Romulus> daim thyme zones thats what we are not always reliable?

16:55 <mweltin> ok

16:56 <mweltin> and to think I thought this was going to be a good day.

16:56 <mweltin> thanks yoyo[RKN] that was very very helpful.

16:56 <yoyo[RKN]> I had that problem already ;)

16:57 <E-30> oh well

16:57 <rubiks120> this is why I am glad I am not really involved with maintaining anything on the web

16:58 <mweltin> yeah, it's a sad state of affairs.

16:59 <rubiks120> the internet?

17:00 <mweltin> I don't see a userid in hte forum table;

17:01 <yoyo[RKN]> this can be

17:01 <mweltin> how do you removed their posts?

17:01 <yoyo[RKN]> in this case he do no have a forum message posted

17:01 <yoyo[RKN]> postings are stored in the forum table

17:02 <yoyo[RKN]> I do not use the boinc forum, I use a different forum

17:02 <mweltin> yes, but I can't see how to remove posts based on userid.

17:02 <mweltin> oh ok

17:03 <mweltin> forum_logging holds the user id and thread id.

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17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> mweltin : ping

17:10 <mweltin> yeah

17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> do you have a quorum?

17:11 <mweltin> 2

17:12 <yoyo[RKN]> how do you give credits?

17:12 <E-30> well it all ok

17:13 <mweltin> for now the default system but after i get enough data, they will be fixed

17:13 <E-30> cool

17:13 <yoyo[RKN]> quorum of 2 is waste of CPU power, it should be set to 1 if possible

17:14 <E-30> why 2  is a waste

17:14 <yoyo[RKN]> 2 computer are running the same job

17:14 <mweltin> yeah i agree, but it limits possible fraud

17:14 <E-30> yea it shuld be one then

17:14 <mweltin> if a prefect world I would have a quorum of 1, but I'd also not have any spammers.

17:15 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo has a quorum of 1

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17:17 <mweltin> I know, but how do make sure you do not get false results?

17:17 <Romulus> that's their swan song before the next thing you see this >>> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/23/2031206&tid=163

17:18 <yoyo[RKN]> results are encrypted by the client which I wrap

17:18 <mweltin> I don't have that level of protection.

17:18 <PovAddict> you can't have that level of protection if you client is open source

17:22 <yoyo[RKN]> mweltin : do you use a own validator?

17:23 <mweltin> yes

17:23 <mweltin> it is what uncovered all the bugs I have been dealing with lately.

17:24 * yoyo[RKN] thinks the sample_bitwise_validator is faulty

17:24 <yoyo[RKN]> but I have to re check it

17:25 <yoyo[RKN]> different results are declared as valid

17:29 <mweltin> maybe you should have a quorum ;)

17:29 <yoyo[RKN]> make no sense

17:29 <yoyo[RKN]> for evolution@home

17:30 <yoyo[RKN]> the wus are simulations which starts with an random number

17:30 <mweltin> I was kidding.

17:30 <mweltin> I'll be facing that same issue soon.

17:30 <mweltin> my next app is a genetic algorithm

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17:30 <mweltin> how do you generate your random numbers?

17:31 <mweltin> I'm looking into random.irb.hr

17:31 <yoyo[RKN]> it is in the application which I wrap, so I do not have the source for it

17:32 <yoyo[RKN]> but it is a random generator which is initialized with the current milliseconds

17:32 <rubiks120> isnt that how most random number generators work?

17:33 <mweltin> yes, almost all random number generators are that way, but take a look at http://random.irb.hr

17:33 <Romulus> Title: Quantum Random Bit Generator Service (at random.irb.hr)

17:33 <mweltin> it's very cool

17:33 <Tank_Master> hey

17:33 <mweltin> NOT psudo random like everything else baed on a seed.

17:34 <rubiks120> Hi Tank_Master

17:34 <mweltin> Tank_Master!!!1

17:34 <Tank_Master> sup?

17:34 <mweltin> good to see you.

17:34 <mweltin> I got spammers

17:34 <Tank_Master> sweet?

17:34 <Tank_Master> :)

17:34 <mweltin> but I think version 2.15 fixed the last of the  bugs.

17:34 <Tank_Master> good

17:35 <yoyo[RKN]> hi Tank_Master

17:35 <rubiks120> mweltin, I think I have seen that before, its pretty cool

17:35 <yoyo[RKN]> must be late now

17:35 <Tank_Master> yo yoyo

17:35 <Tank_Master> sup?

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17:37 <rubiks120> how ya doin tank?

17:37 <Tank_Master> good

17:37 <Tank_Master> cold

17:38 <rubiks120> winter?

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17:40 <mweltin> cold, you live in the NW, try NE for cold.

17:40 <Tank_Master> lol

17:40 <Tank_Master> or NC

17:40 <rubiks120> whats wrong with New England?

17:41 <rubiks120> I love it up here

17:41 <Tank_Master> to busy

17:41 <BadBarbarian> or arizona

17:41 <mweltin> nothing its jut f'n cold.

17:41 <mweltin> I grew up in Vermont.

17:41 <Tank_Master> true, you have gottin snow already in az, right?

17:41 <rubiks120> ehh, you really get used to the cold, I mean today its in the 40s and Im still comfortable in shorts

17:41 <mweltin> even got frost bite once.

17:41 <BadBarbarian> no just very cold

17:41 <rubiks120> I was in the water the other day, it was 15 degrees, it was stupid

17:41 <Tank_Master> it was 25 last night and still isnt out of the 30s et today

17:42 <rubiks120> thats a little rough Tank

17:42 <rubiks120> ill give you that one

17:42 <rubiks120> although I was hiking in upstate NY last week

17:43 <rubiks120> that was cold

17:43 <Tank_Master> its normally 35 and raining for our winter

17:43 <rubiks120> it was high of low 20s up there during the day

17:43 <Tank_Master> but its been dry for the past month

17:43 <rubiks120> about 6 at night

17:44 <Tank_Master> yeah, thats cold

17:44 <Tank_Master> we dont get that cold here

17:44 <Tank_Master> lowest I ever remember is -3f

17:45 <rubiks120> we had one day a couple years ago it was around 0 with a wind chill that was too cold for them to start the busses so school was cancelled

17:45 <xcamel> finally warmed up to 38F here

17:46 <xcamel> I'm really getting to hate winter

17:46 <rubiks120> I still love the winter

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17:48 <rubiks120> mweltin, I just finished a workunit that didnt get puased and it uploaded fine, so now the only question is why hasnt boinc upgraded to 2.15 yet

17:49 <PovAddict> mweltin and yoyo[RKN]: about randomness, that quantum-based service sounds interesting, but it's NOT what you want for BOINC

17:49 <PovAddict> seed-based is great for BOINC... each workunit a different seed, two results from the same workunit would validate correctly

17:51 <mweltin> good point on seed based WU's

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17:51 <mweltin> and rubiks120 I'm not sure.

17:52 <PovAddict> a hard thing is checkpoints...

17:52 <mweltin> PovAddict, rubiks120 is not getting the 2.15 version for some reason.

17:52 <mweltin> I depircated all the old versions

17:52 <PovAddict> well he would get it when he gets more work

17:52 <mweltin> he is running linux, which i updated to 2.15 early yesterday.

17:52 <PovAddict> to force it, reset project

17:52 <mweltin> ok

17:53 <rubiks120> reset?

17:53 <mweltin> rubiks120, did you get that, for a reset of your project from the boinc mgr

17:53 <mweltin> in the projects tab

17:53 <PovAddict> waitwait

17:53 <PovAddict> don't reset

17:53 <PovAddict> mweltin: try ./bin/stop; ./bin/start;

17:53 <rubiks120> ok, will do, I tried to update instead before thatd be why it didnt pick it up

17:53 <mweltin> I did that already

17:53 <PovAddict> mweltin: maybe the feeder didn't "notice" you deprecated versions

17:53 <mweltin> I got spammers so I put the askimet key back

17:54 <mweltin> rubiks120, hold on a sec

17:54 <PovAddict> on the forum?

17:54 <rubiks120> ok, no problem

17:54 <mweltin> I'm going to restart the project

17:54 <mweltin> yes forum

17:54 <rubiks120> ok

17:54 <mweltin> ok rubiks120

17:55 <mweltin> go ahead and reset the project.

17:55 <rubiks120> ok

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17:56 <rubiks120> ok that bumped me to 2.15

17:56 <rubiks120> thanks for the help

17:58 <mweltin> on, thank YOU!

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18:13 <Tank_Master> gotta love bots, eh?

18:14 <Romulus> you need sheep shears first a razor would die

18:14 <Tank_Master> wow, rommie, that just about made since!

18:15 <BadBarbarian> sense

18:15 <BadBarbarian> lol

18:16 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

18:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 38F / 3C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 20s. West wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. High around 40. West wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the south in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 30s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.;

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18:25 <xcamel> 'lo Doug, Don

18:25 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

18:25 <xcamel> &weather 12074

18:25 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 36.5F / 2.5C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010.0hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Areas of fog this evening. Rain this evening...then periods of rain after midnight. Rain may be heavy at times this evening. Lows in the lower 40s. South winds around 5 mph...becoming southwest after midnight. Chance of rain near 100 (2 more messages)

18:26 <Tank_Master> 2?

18:26 <xcamel> &version

18:26 <Romulus> xcamel: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3.  The newest version available online is 0.83.3.

18:26 <xcamel> yea!

18:26 <Tank_Master> type in &more to get the next message

18:26 <xcamel> upgrade worked

18:26 <Tank_Master> sweet

18:26 <PovAddict> &more xcamel

18:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning. Highs in the upper 40s. West winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain or snow showers in the evening...then partly cloudy with a chance of snow showers after midnight. Much cooler with lows in the mid 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph...decreasing to (1 more message)

18:26 <xcamel> &more

18:26 <Romulus> xcamel: percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning. Highs in the upper 40s. West winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain or snow showers in the evening...then partly cloudy with a chance of snow showers after midnight. Much cooler with lows in the mid 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph...decreasing to (1 more message)

18:26 <xcamel> &more

18:26 <Romulus> xcamel: around 5 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.;

18:26 <PovAddict> &list google

18:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats

18:27 <PovAddict> google plugin on my bot wasn't working

18:27 <Tank_Master> anything added or changed in the weather portion?

18:27 <PovAddict> I found I needed a key for the SOAP service from Google

18:27 <PovAddict> but they discontinued the service

18:27 <Tank_Master> ouch

18:27 <Tank_Master> lol

18:27 <xcamel> &ham 12074

18:27 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: No such location could be found.

18:27 <PovAddict> old keys work (so Romulus works), but can't get new keys

18:27 <Tank_Master> &ham pdx

18:28 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: No such location could be found.

18:28 <xcamel> &cnn 12074

18:28 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

18:28 <Tank_Master> &cnn pdx

18:28 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

18:28 <PovAddict> :-\

18:28 <xcamel> nope, might need to re-link the plugins

18:28 <PovAddict> is 'weather' included by default?

18:28 <PovAddict> you may need to upgrade it separately... dunno

18:31 <Tank_Master> showing only the current weather would be nice

18:33 <wdsmia> look outside

18:33 <Tank_Master> how dose that help you know what is is here?

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18:38 <MTughan> PovAddict: Any idea what HAVE_AS_GOTOFF_IN_DATA is?

18:38 <PovAddict> looks like a constant

18:38 <MTughan> Compiling MinGW GCC.

18:38 <PovAddict> x-compiling from mac?

18:39 <MTughan> Yep.

18:39 <PovAddict> I never managed to compile mingw gcc from mingw, or x-compiling from cygwin

18:39 <PovAddict> so...

18:39 <PovAddict> have fun

18:39 <MTughan> I got rid of two previous problems. But this one I'm stumped with. I don't know where it is.

18:40 <MTughan> I can't find the name in any of the header files.

18:41 <MTughan> Closest thing looks like "#define HAVE_AS_GOTOFF_IN_DATA `if test $gcc_cv_as_ix86_gotoff_in_data = yes; then echo 1; else echo 0; fi`" in configure.

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18:44 <MTughan> xcamel at work?

18:44 <PovAddict> he's upgrading Romulus

18:44 <Tank_Master> &ham 97007

18:44 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: No such location could be found.

18:45 <Tank_Master> &cnn 97007

18:45 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

18:45 <xcamel> please stop

18:45 <Tank_Master> sorry

18:45 <Tank_Master> :P

18:45 <xcamel> damn hard to fix it when you're hammering on it

18:46 <Tank_Master> I can post more tests, if you want ;)

18:46 <MTughan> Hey, PovAddict... header included by config.h... "/* #undef HAVE_AS_GOTOFF_IN_DATA */"

18:46 <PovAddict> then configure decided that define shouldn't be set

18:46 <MTughan> The only other reference is "/* Define true if the assembler supports '.long foo@GOTOFF'. */"

18:46 <PovAddict> (because your system doesn't_have_gotoff_in_data, whatever that means)

18:47 <PovAddict> where did you get gcc from?

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18:52 * Tank_Master sees more sun in his forcast

18:52 <PovAddict> well... dunno

18:53 <Tank_Master> so, can we hammer rommie some more now?

18:53 <PovAddict> #mingw, #gcc, ##workingset

18:53 <MTughan> Okay, will try...

18:53 <mweltin> directory allowOveride

18:53 <mweltin> hahaha

18:53 <mweltin> apache you are so silly

18:53 <PovAddict> s/r/rr/

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18:56 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout

18:56 * MTughan mutilates Tank_Master with an armoured half-orc

18:56 <Tank_Master> a waa?

18:57 * MTughan hits Tank_Master with an unworthy script

18:57 * PovAddict hits MTughan with Tank_Master

18:57 <MTughan> Hehe...

18:57 <Tank_Master> O.O!

18:57 * CoderForLife lies low

18:57 * MTughan bashes Tank_Master against the nearest wall

18:57 * PovAddict considers throwing a CFL

18:57 <CoderForLife> what the mercury

18:57 * Tank_Master nocks PovAddict over CoderForLife

18:57 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

18:57 <MTughan> Hey, CFL football finished last night.

18:57 <CoderForLife> I did?

18:58 <PovAddict> not CoderForLife, a compact fluorescent(sp?) lamp

18:58 <MTughan> No, Canadian Football League.

18:58 * PovAddict hides from the +o

18:58 <MTughan> Saskatchewan won over Winnepeg.

18:58 <CoderForLife> wan won?

18:58 <MTughan> lol

18:59 <CoderForLife> if wan won what did peg do?

18:59 <Tank_Master> whats wong with wan win?

18:59 <MTughan> As Weird Al says, all Canadians want to drive a Zamboni all over Saskatchewan. xD

18:59 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia

18:59 * Tank_Master feels safer now

18:59 <mweltin> that is not just a Canadian dream I want to do that too.

19:00 <Tank_Master> LOL

19:00 <MTughan> lol

19:00 <mweltin> sport center should a a "pimp my Zamboni" show.

19:01 <PovAddict> -- http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/breaking-massive-amounts-of-malware.html --

19:01 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1CWd> (at sunbeltblog.blogspot.com)

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19:03 <MTughan> 'lo e

19:03 <efc> Hey

19:06 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

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19:14 * CoderForLife gets up from his desk to go downstairs and work on the laptop

19:14 <CoderForLife> cya folks back here soon

19:14 <MTughan> PovAddict: Got info of a package to build MinGW for you.Bye.

19:14 <MTughan> Damn up key...

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19:14 <PovAddict> o.o?

19:16 <xcamel> &cnn 12074

19:16 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

19:16 <xcamel> crap

19:16 <xcamel> oh well.. time to find a new bot

19:23 <MTughan> Still no MinGW, but I'm off for a bit.

19:26 <mweltin> I'm outta here

19:26 <mweltin> take care

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19:27 <xcamel> Harley-Davidson idles 5,400 workers -- must be they finally ran out of sucker-yuppies

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20:18 <xcamel> got mighty quiet..

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20:32 <freelarry> don't doubt it

20:33 <freelarry> finally got the motherinlaw's wall connection to work with cable box and she has her philippino channel

20:38 <xcamel> dancing with tsunamis?

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21:07 <MTughan> Back.

21:12 <Tank_Master> wb

21:21 <Tank_Master> you know, it would be nice if the forcast from the local station could at least be realistic

21:21 <MTughan> PovAddict: Is .PHONY a builtin target for make?

21:21 <PovAddict> yes

21:21 <PovAddict> it's for special targets like 'clean'

21:21 <Tank_Master> they still say the high fortoday was to be 47, and the low 38, but it never got above 35 today

21:21 <PovAddict> if it's not on the PHONY list, you'd have problems if you have a file actually called 'clean'

21:21 <MTughan> Oh, I see...

21:22 <MTughan> So ".PHONY: all" means that it won't look for a file named all.

21:22 <PovAddict> right

21:22 <MTughan> Nice...

21:22 <PovAddict> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Phony-Targets.html for the long boring and detailed description

21:22 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1CaS> (at www.gnu.org)

21:22 <MTughan> I think I've got it, thanks.

21:23 <MTughan> if [ -f stage_last ]; Checks what?

21:23 <PovAddict> hmm that's shell script

21:23 <MTughan> Yep.

21:23 <PovAddict> I think it's "if file exists"

21:24 <MTughan> Well, that lets me know what's run...

21:24 <PovAddict> -f FILE        True if file exists and is a regular file.

21:24 <MTughan> For some reason, makeinfo isn't found on my system, even though it's there.

21:24 <MTughan> Oh, and it's in /usr/bin.

21:24 <PovAddict> (no symlink, no directory, no device, no pipe; *regular file*)

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21:45 <MTughan> PovAddict: Any idea? http://bob.myisland.as/tsp//result.php?resultid=953757

21:45 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Cas> (at bob.myisland.as)

21:46 <PovAddict> well, the suffix end doesn't match the one that was returned by the other user

21:46 <PovAddict> but yours was marked as invalid without comparison

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21:58 <xcamel> later folks..

21:58 <MTughan> Bye.

21:59 <PovAddict> Firefox 2.0.0.10 is out

22:02 <The_XMas_Turkey> PovAddict: i've been asleep and its still downloading the textfiles archives ;_;

22:02 <PovAddict> lolphail

22:02 <The_XMas_Turkey> u

22:06 <MTughan> Hey, I know what we need for Rommie... CAD and XKCD aliases to print out links!

22:06 <MTughan> &cad

22:06 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

22:06 <PovAddict> lazy ass

22:07 <MTughan> lol

22:07 <PovAddict> nothing new anyway

22:07 <MTughan> &#boinc

22:07 <Romulus> There are 24 #boinc channels spread across the known IRC spectrum. #boinc on freenode is the oldest, and largest.

22:07 <MTughan> Interesting...

22:08 <PovAddict> o_o

22:08 <PovAddict> o rly

22:08 <PovAddict> I know there's one on EFnet, TheBorg used to relay between that one and this one

22:10 <MTughan> &cad

22:10 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

22:10 <MTughan> Hehe...

22:11 <MTughan> &xkcd

22:11 <Romulus> http://www.xkcd.com/

22:11 <PovAddict> xcamel will get you

22:11 <MTughan> Why?

22:11 <The_XMas_Turkey> &explosm

22:11 <Romulus> The_XMas_Turkey: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

22:11 <The_XMas_Turkey> no cyanide and happiness?

22:12 <MTughan> This? http://www.explosm.net/

22:12 <Romulus> Title: Explosm.net - Flash Animations, Daily Comics, and more! (at www.explosm.net)

22:12 <The_XMas_Turkey> yes

22:15 <PovAddict> &math calc 23062.37 + 665.89

22:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: 23728.26

22:17 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

22:17 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 38.6F / 3.7C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the 30s. Light wind except east wind 10 to 20 mph near The Gorge. Wind becoming west 10 to 15 mph during the evening.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. (1 more message)

22:17 <Tank_Master> &more

22:17 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Highs around 45. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy with a slight chance of showers. Lows 30 to 35. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph becoming light after midnight.;

22:24 <MTughan> PovAddict: To compile BOINC and expat with MinGW, will I need the --target flags or just to change the CC flag?

22:31 <MTughan> Well, it's a question for tomorrow. Gonna read for a while, then down to bed. Probably won't come back.

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23:19 <Tank_Master_> mw!

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23:19 <mweltin> hey buddy

23:20 <Tank_Master> sup?

23:20 <mweltin> did you manualy abort some TSP workunits?

23:20 <Tank_Master> no

23:20 <zombie67> mw, fyi, I will be crunching for WCG for the next 30 days, but I'll be back!

23:20 <Tank_Master> should I?

23:20 <mweltin> not much going over results

23:20 <mweltin> no

23:20 <mweltin> they were most likely server aborts

23:20 <mweltin> just a few

23:21 <mweltin> I'm going to over the resluts from the new 2.15 app

23:21 <Tank_Master> I do see an odd on here that at 100% but no CPU time

23:21 <Tank_Master> might be a server abort

23:21 <mweltin> just trying to see if the bug is really fixed.

23:21 <Tank_Master> not even 0:00 time

23:22 <mweltin> out of the 166 or so results I have back I'd say I have less than 10 invalid resuts

23:22 <mweltin> and most of those I'm guessing are server side aborts.

23:22 <mweltin> which is a very good sign.

23:23 <Tank_Master> :)

23:23 <mweltin> database searchers are taking a long time

23:23 <mweltin> my pooor laptop.

23:23 <Tank_Master> :P

23:24 <Tank_Master> my core2 now has 500 results returned

23:25 <mweltin> thats the kind of person we like at TSP

23:25 <mweltin> we like zombie too but he is going to help someone else out for a while.

23:26 <Tank_Master> Redundant result Cancelled by server 0.00

23:26 <Tank_Master> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/workunit.php?wuid=180261

23:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1CcD> (at bob.myisland.as)

23:26 <MTughan> How 'bout this one? http://bob.myisland.as/tsp//result.php?resultid=953757

23:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Cas> (at bob.myisland.as)

23:26 <Tank_Master> Redundant result Done 0.00

23:26 <zombie67> ;)

23:26 <Tank_Master> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/workunit.php?wuid=180395

23:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1CcF> (at bob.myisland.as)

23:26 <quail> g'afternoon all, how are we all?

23:27 <Tank_Master> its evening

23:27 <Tank_Master> ;)

23:27 <Tank_Master> not bad

23:27 <quail> ;-)

23:27 <MTughan> Oh, mweltin: Got MinGW working on my laptop, so I might be able to take care of the Windows apps sometime soon. I still need to build BOINC and expat as Windows libraries, but they're coming.

23:28 <mweltin> nice MTughan thanks

23:28 <mweltin> I'm still working on getting them to compile on msvs but its not going well.

23:28 <mweltin> I just checked the 13 invalid results and they all had a cpu time of 0

23:30 <mweltin> nice i just got a guy from switzerland as a user

23:30 <Tank_Master> I had 2 validate errors fromthe tasks on my core2 yesterday

23:30 <Tank_Master> which woulda been the 2.14

23:31 <Tank_Master> I JUST cleared out my last 2.14 WU on this thing

23:31 <mweltin> good call

23:31 <MTughan> 2.15 is available?

23:31 <Tank_Master> yep

23:31 <mweltin> it should be the only app

23:31 <Tank_Master> for win x64 anyway

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23:32 <mweltin> I don't have 64bit apps yet

23:32 <MTughan> I've got 2.14s for my Mac... So there's SVN update then?

23:32 <mweltin> got a weird email about crunch3r from Jord

23:32 <Tank_Master> gaa!

23:32 <mweltin> you built the 2.15 last night or today I forget

23:32 * Tank_Master is cloging up his shanny 64bit core with 32bit apps

23:33 <Tank_Master> shinny*

23:33 <MTughan> Okay, that works.

23:33 <mweltin> I liked shanny better

23:34 <Tank_Master> sorry

23:34 <Tank_Master> ;)

23:35 * Tank_Master is up to 36k in TSP

23:36 <Tank_Master> with 1.5k pending

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23:43 <Tank_Master_> ugg

23:43 <MTughan> Well, I'm off to bed.

23:43 <MTughan> &nn all

23:43 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

23:43 <Tank_Master_> ok, gn MT

23:44 <mweltin> honestly what is the problem.  I try to compile with boinc_api.C and I get an error in the version of  cstdio that came with MSVS.

23:44 <mweltin> let MTughan

23:44 <mweltin> later

23:44 <MTughan> Try g++, not gcc.

23:45 <MTughan> I actually did notice a difference today when trying out MinGW.

23:45 <MTughan> Anyway, I'll attempt my own build tomorrow.

23:48 <mweltin> do you have to build boinc under mingw

23:48 <mweltin> or can I link in the libs from msvs

23:48 <mweltin> cause I can build boinc with msvs but not with mingw

23:49 <mweltin> I just wish I knew what I was doing.

23:50 <Tank_Master_> hehe

23:50 <Tank_Master_> but just think of all the stuff you are learning

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23:51 <mweltin> that goes double for using irc

23:52 <mweltin> just kicked my self off

23:52 <mweltin> I joined #visualC++ but only two bots were there.

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