IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2007-11-29

00:03 <zombie67> Wow!  Milkyway news:  "Before the server issues, the project was assimilating about 2-3 workunits a second, which is comparable to the large partition of the BlueGene we have used (1024 processors)."

00:03 <MTughan> And I have Xcode 3 now...

00:03 <MTughan> Nice.

00:04 <zombie67> crap

00:04 <zombie67> BRaTS just thre wout a few WUs, and I wasn't attached

00:04 <zombie67> http://maxwell.dhcp.umsl.edu/brats/all_news.php#19

00:04 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1DLY> (at maxwell.dhcp.umsl.edu)

00:07 <MTughan> Darn it, I don't think I can pull the SDK out...

00:08 <zombie67> ?  just intstall it

00:08 <MTughan> OS X is smarter than you think. It says it requires 10.5.

00:09 <zombie67> ah!  you got the "red !" too

00:09 <MTughan> The "red"?

00:09 <zombie67> when you try to install, there is a red "!" over your drive

00:09 <MTughan> No, I don't get that.

00:10 <MTughan> I can't even get near there.

00:10 <zombie67> so then what's up?

00:10 <zombie67> oh!

00:10 <zombie67> i get it

00:10 <zombie67> you don't have leopard, yet d/l 3.x

00:10 <MTughan> Yeah, so?

00:10 <zombie67> er, you don't have leopard

00:11 <MTughan> That's right.

00:11 <zombie67> *you* told *me* that you needed leopard for that

00:11 <MTughan> No, I didn't. Installer said that.

00:11 <zombie67> either you or POV

00:12 <zombie67> earlier tonight

00:12 <MTughan> Probably me.

00:13 <MTughan> Well, I'm off to bed. Early morning tomorrow.

00:13 <zombie67> gn

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02:25 <efc> so you people that have 200 hosts.. do you use one of the 3rd party managers like BOINCView or similar?

02:25 <Tank_Master> BoincStudio

02:25 <Tank_Master> but its old now and not supported anymore

02:26 <Tank_Master> that and BAM!

02:26 <freelarry> bam for my few

02:26 <efc> I miss the old work queuing system sometimes.. was convenient for farms

02:27 <Tank_Master> yeah...

02:27 <Tank_Master> there are *some* talks of allowing gatewat hosts

02:27 <Tank_Master> but that probably wont be for a few years, if at all

02:28 <efc> Why is it that the WUs are tied to a specific machine?

02:30 <zombie67> I use BAM to manage, and VNC to monitor

02:31 <zombie67> never got BV to work reliably across all plaforms.

02:40 <Tank_Master> im off to bed

02:40 <Tank_Master> gn

02:41 <efc> Night

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02:55 <efc> got the old 866 mhz laptop fired up.. sort slow but probably better WU/watt than this one

02:59 <efc> BOIN seems to think this cpu doesn't have sse2... but cpuz does

03:10 <efc> ugh, I hate trig

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04:18 <CoderForLife> morning

04:31 <efc> moo

04:36 <CoderForLife> hello efc

04:37 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:42 <efc> Is there a good formula to find triangle angles given the sides? Best I know if law of sines + Heron's formula

04:45 <CoderForLife> been too long ago for me to remember

04:46 <CoderForLife> ask Professor Google

04:47 <CoderForLife> sin(angle)=opposite/hyptoneuse

04:47 <CoderForLife> SOH CAH TOA

04:47 <efc> not a right triangle

04:47 <efc> arbitary

04:47 <efc> r

04:47 <CoderForLife> "been too long ago for me to remember"

04:48 <CoderForLife> sum of angles = 360

04:48 <efc> its considerably harder, i did it but the answers seem off

04:49 <efc> its 180

04:49 <CoderForLife> "been too long ago for me to remember"

04:50 <efc> Ah, I got a reflection off the real answer

04:50 <efc> thats why i hate trig, there's more than one answer and tricky to pick out the right one

04:51 <CoderForLife> http://ca.geocities.com/xpf51/ANGLE_CALCULATORS/TRIANGLES.html

04:51 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1DP2> (at ca.geocities.com)

04:52 <efc> sad thing is, this is the easy part of this problem

04:52 * CoderForLife sits, blinking

04:53 <efc> thanks for that link, helped me check some intermediates

04:53 <CoderForLife> sure thing

04:58 <efc> dumb thing is reflected around 90 degrees (90-x instead of 90+x)

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05:19 <CoderForLife> offen to verken

05:19 <CoderForLife> later on down the road

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05:47 <xcamel> boo

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06:28 <hawmps-away> '

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06:35 <hawmps> 'mornin

06:47 <wdsmia> mornin

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10:05 <linux_stu> hello

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10:17 <BadBarbarian> morning

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10:26 <BadBarbarian> Xcamel i need your help i want to make my quad a vista and linux box what linux is best for boinc

10:27 <BadBarbarian> dual boot

10:27 <BadBarbarian> can anybody help lol

10:27 <hawmps> I like fedora - minimum problems

10:28 <BadBarbarian> is it 64bit

10:28 <PovAddict> most big distros support both 32 and 64 nowadays

10:28 <hawmps> fedora x86_64

10:28 <BadBarbarian> got a link so i can download the dvd

10:29 <BadBarbarian> is dual boot on vista a hard thing

10:29 <linux_stu> i am trying to get boinc working on my linux server

10:30 <linux_stu> i ran the command "./boinc_cmd --host locaasdfost --passwd this_is_the_password --acct_mgr_rpc http://bam.boincstats.com/ my_email@gmail.com mypasswd"

10:30 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager (at bam.boincstats.com)

10:30 <linux_stu> and it didn't return anything

10:30 <linux_stu> i assume it worked

10:30 <linux_stu> when i do ./boinc_cmd --get_state, all the fields are empty

10:31 <linux_stu> so i am not sure whether it is doing anything...

10:31 <linux_stu> i just installed it today

10:31 <linux_stu> anyone know whether it is working or how i can tell?

10:32 <BadBarbarian> fedora 7 or 8

10:32 <linux_stu> hawmps: do you have boinc working on a linux box?

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10:40 <linux_stu> any linux users here have boinc running?

10:40 <BadBarbarian> maybe later when more people are on

10:41 <BadBarbarian> evening is a good time

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11:06 <PovAddict> linux_stu: what version of BOINC?

11:06 <linux_stu> one sec PovAddict

11:07 <linux_stu> PovAddict: 5.4.11

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11:38 <BadBarbarian> howdy MT

11:38 <MTughan_> lo BB

11:39 <BadBarbarian> i am downloading fedora 8 for my quad i want a duel boot system with vista

11:39 <PovAddict> you'd need to resize your vista partition

11:40 <BadBarbarian> http://www.pronetworks.org/forum/about78184.html

11:40 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1DWF> (at www.pronetworks.org)

11:41 <BadBarbarian> that says not to

11:41 <MTughan_> You want F8 to resize it?

11:41 <PovAddict> ah right

11:41 <PovAddict> vista changed NTFS and it can't be resized yet

11:42 <BadBarbarian> ms you got to hate them

11:42 <PovAddict> but if you have only one partition, then you need to **reinstall** vista in order to leave space for fedora

11:42 <MTughan_> lol

11:43 <BadBarbarian> i can install a second hd and run linux from there cant i

11:43 <PovAddict> yeah, second hdd would work

11:43 <BadBarbarian> i will need you help lol this will be my first linux install lol

11:51 <BadBarbarian> is linux good at finding wireless netwok cards i am on a wireless network

11:52 <PriitM> WLAN and linux aren't very good friends

11:52 <PriitM> but I've been using WiFi for 4-5 months on this linux box and never had any issues

11:52 <MTughan_> They can work, but you have to have a bit of time.

11:54 <BadBarbarian> seeing if there are any broadcon linux drivers out there

12:05 <Tank_Master> at least with server 2008, you can shrink a partition while its running...

12:05 <Tank_Master> but I dont know about the OS partition though

12:06 <BadBarbarian> ey tank

12:06 <BadBarbarian> hey

12:06 <Tank_Master> sup

12:06 <BadBarbarian> thinking of linux for the quad

12:07 <Tank_Master> y?

12:07 <BadBarbarian> dual boot

12:07 <MTughan_> I did a triple boot a while back... :P

12:08 <BadBarbarian> cause i am learning to hate microsoft

12:08 <MTughan_> Yay! ^^

12:16 <hawmps> not a steep learning curve there

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12:40 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

12:40 <yoyo[RKN]> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/464 how can this be configuerd?

12:40 <Romulus> Title: #464 (Switch for Automatic Abort if Start Beyond Deadline) - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

12:41 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: it's incredibly easy

12:42 <PovAddict> config.xml <send_result_abort>1</send_result_abort>

12:42 <yoyo[RKN]> hehe

12:42 <yoyo[RKN]> will check my config

12:43 <yoyo[RKN]> think I have it

12:43 <yoyo[RKN]> yes its in

12:51 <wraund> any news on the feeder?

12:52 <yoyo[RKN]> ??

13:16 <PovAddict> mmm

13:16 <PovAddict> cake

13:17 <yoyo[RKN]> no coffee

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13:36 <Saenger> &weather bremen, germany

13:36 <Romulus> Saenger: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1002hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 7:20 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:46 F. / 8 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Chance of Rain. High:46 F. / 8 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Chance of Rain. High:48 F. / 9 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F. / 4 C.;

13:36 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires, argentina

13:36 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 81°F / 27°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM ART; Clear. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Clear. Low:69 F. / 21 C.; Clear. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Clear. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Clear. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:71 F. / 22 C.;

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13:39 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin

13:39 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 7:20 PM CET; Rain. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Rain. Low:33 F. / 1 C.; Chance of Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F. / 2 C.; Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:37 F. / 3 C.;

13:42 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather munic

13:42 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

13:43 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather munich

13:43 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 27°F / -3°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Light Freezing Fog | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 7:20 PM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Chance of Rain. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Overcast. Low:33 F. / 1 C.; Chance of Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Rain. Low:37 F. / 3 C.;

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13:54 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

13:54 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 46.5F / 8.1C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1020.9hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Showers...decreasing this afternoon. Highs around 45. South wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers. Snow level 1000 feet. Lows 30 to 35. Light wind...becoming east wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday (1 more message)

13:55 <Tank_Master> &more

13:55 <Romulus> Tank_Master: - Partly sunny. Highs around 40. East wind 5 to 10 mph...but east wind 10 to 20 mph near the Columbia River gorge.;

13:56 <Saenger> &weather giessen, germany

13:56 <Romulus> Saenger: Temperature: 36.1°F / 2.3°C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1008.7hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5.7mph / 9.2km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM CET; Rain. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Rain. Low:33 F. / 1 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:37 F. / 3 C.; Chance of Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:37 F. / 3 C.;

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14:46 <freelarry> yikes 1800 for materials to do the flooring upstairs

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14:46 <wraund> aw man, now BOINC site is down for maintenence :(

14:46 <PovAddict> o rly

14:46 <PovAddict> works for me

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14:47 <wraund> rosetta sorry

14:47 <wraund> thats down

14:48 <Tank_Master> damn netsplit

14:48 <freelarry> lol yea makes me wonder if i'm all that unpopular ;)

14:48 <freelarry> or was it PovAddict

14:49 <freelarry> nope me

14:49 <Tank_Master> I vote for PovAddict

14:49 <PovAddict> me what

14:49 <freelarry> lol - he's very well liked ;)

14:49 <Tank_Master> you always

14:49 <Tank_Master> caused the netsplit ;)

14:49 <freelarry> scaring the net there again pov ;)

14:50 * freelarry puts away his pick

14:50 <PriitM> someone tried to send me mirc.ini 6x this night.. :/

14:50 <PriitM> * DCC RECV mirc.ini to Barbecue aborte

14:50 <freelarry> not nice - have seen reports of mirc virus attempts growing in frequency

14:51 <Tank_Master> thats bytes

14:51 <freelarry> truely

14:51 <PriitM> still why the hell would someone send me .ini file :/

14:52 <Tank_Master> cus they are noob

14:52 <freelarry> to bring in sites it wants you to run

14:52 <PovAddict> hoping you would overwrite yours with theirs

14:52 <PriitM> most likely

14:52 <freelarry> the next time you start your irc

14:52 <yoyo_RKN> hehe Tank_Master to join the race you must join a different team ;)

14:53 <PriitM> silly noob offered me mirc.ini =/

14:54 <Tank_Master> ha!

14:54 <PriitM> ho!

14:54 <Tank_Master> how ment yoyo credits will you give me if I join your team? ;)

14:54 <Tank_Master> hehe

14:54 <freelarry> you should send him back a link to a closed circle porn visiter site

14:55 <Tank_Master> the old gay porn one?

14:55 <yoyo_RKN> I will let you enjoy the race in our team

14:55 <freelarry> yeah - the nasty one that disables the close buttons

14:55 <Tank_Master> sorry, not good enough compencation

14:55 <freelarry> for the .ini sender not you Tank_Master

14:56 <Tank_Master> cose, with xp and vista, ther is the "claso all" from the task bar...

14:56 <PriitM> i like  to add asshole people to transsexual and gay mailinglists

14:56 <freelarry> true but if they are sending .ini files do you really think they know about the task close buttons

14:56 <hawmps> nasty nasty

14:57 <Tank_Master> one can hope not

14:57 <freelarry> ahh the voice of reason - or is that grandpa jay

14:57 <PriitM> they're coming to take me away...

14:57 <Tank_Master> also, would be a good idea to tell them that if they shut down the comp, or unplud the power, they will looses all their info on the HD

14:57 <hawmps> things like that always come back to bite you...

14:58 <freelarry> lol - have seen that a few times when i first started - didn't believe them then and for most part not now either

14:59 * freelarry checks mirror in back - reaffirms rear still attached alabit a lot smaller

15:00 <freelarry> hey hawmps how does 1800 sound for lamenant flooring and mats for approx 700 sqft

15:00 <freelarry> a little less actually

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15:01 <Tank_Master> BB!

15:01 <hawmps> unknown

15:02 <hawmps> I would have to look it up

15:02 <freelarry> true - pricing varies widely - this the lowest cost for what they stock but higher grade underlament mats

15:03 <hawmps> there is a ton of them out there - mostly junk

15:04 <freelarry> yah i know - got moderna line down here and getting a different line for upstairs and still a different line for front poarch

15:04 <freelarry> still all supposedly 20 yrs warrenty

15:04 <BadBarbarian> what up tank

15:05 <hawmps> if it does what you want and is worth what you're willing to pay....

15:05 <freelarry> lol the moths are mounting an offensive play as i reached for wallet

15:06 <hawmps> lol

15:06 <freelarry> still getting estimates for labor - legs and back say don't even think about all those trips up and down the 2 flights

15:07 <freelarry> of stairs

15:07 <hawmps> habla espanol?

15:07 <freelarry> no speakassey englisshh

15:07 <freelarry> even

15:08 * freelarry thinks espanol is something used to spray in pans for cooking

15:08 <freelarry> no offense meant to anyone

15:08 <Tank_Master> lol

15:09 <Tank_Master> .me thiks it an excuse to get out of breaking the law

15:09 * Tank_Master thiks it an excuse to get out of breaking the law

15:10 <PovAddict> bah

15:10 <hawmps> either way..

15:10 <PovAddict> I need a strong password but I'm limited to 8 chars

15:11 <hawmps> SHA1 your birthdy, and use the last 8 chars

15:11 <Tank_Master> *ucker0!

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16:01 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:19 <freelarry> well time for commute weather

16:19 <freelarry> &weather 98366

16:19 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 43F / 6C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers this morning. Highs near 40. Northeast wind to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s to lower 30s. East wind to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the 30s to lower 40s. Northeast wind around 10 (1 more message)

16:20 <Tank_Master> hf gettin home

16:20 <ZaB|SHC|> hi. i'm running boinc 5.10.27 on linux (archlinux with 2.6.23.8) and in the past few weeks my laptop aborts approx. 50% of my wus. here is an example: http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/result.php?resultid=89105963

16:20 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Db7> (at einstein.phys.uwm.edu)

16:20 <Tank_Master> &more freelarry

16:20 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mph.; Special Weather Statement for Kitsap County in effect until 4:30 AM PST on November 30, 2007;

16:20 <freelarry> yeah know black ice can form tonight

16:20 <Tank_Master> free, where did you say you live?

16:20 <Tank_Master> they say a chance of snow here

16:21 <freelarry> &zipinfo 98366

16:21 <Romulus> freelarry: City: Port Orchard; State: WA; County: Kitsap; Area Code: 360; Time Zone: PST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 47.5378 (North); Longitude: 122.5894 (West)

16:21 <Tank_Master> thought so

16:21 <freelarry> around the 500 ft elevation for me

16:21 <Tank_Master> you know a dave bowlan?

16:21 <Tank_Master> im at 220' here

16:21 <freelarry> humm cant say so

16:22 <Tank_Master> huh, he grew up there

16:22 <freelarry> lol i grew up in burlington iowa

16:22 <Tank_Master> ahh

16:22 <freelarry> retired here in 94 after 18+ in navy

16:23 <Tank_Master> nice

16:23 * freelarry wishes retirement amount was a little better - almost enough to pay first mortage now

16:24 <Tank_Master> hehe

16:24 <freelarry> time it will reach first morgage payment size - first morgage will be paid off

16:25 <freelarry> then it might be large enough to pay the taxes on this property ;/

16:26 <freelarry> well its time

16:26 <freelarry> &bye all bbl

16:26 <Romulus> later ace

16:26 <Tank_Master> hf

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16:47 <Tank_Master> MW!

16:47 <Tank_Master> feelin better?

16:47 <mweltin> much, turns out I have strep

16:47 <mweltin> huts to eat or drink, but my fever is down, and feeling much better.

16:48 <Tank_Master> well thats something at least

16:48 <mweltin> we are being hit with monsoon like rains.

16:48 <mweltin> early today we had a inch and half in one hour.

16:48 <Tank_Master> nice

16:49 <Tank_Master> decent amount

16:49 <mweltin> so there has been a flash flood warning in effect

16:49 <BadBarbarian_> where

16:49 <mweltin> American Samoa

16:49 <mweltin> &weather 96799

16:49 <BadBarbarian_> ahh now i remember

16:49 <Romulus> mweltin: Temperature: 80F / 27C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Today - Occasional showers with isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 80s. Variable winds 10 mph...with higher gusts in showers.; Tonight and Thursday - Scattered showers with isolated thunderstorms. Lows near 80. High near 90. Variable winds 10 (1 more message)

16:49 <mweltin> &more

16:49 <Romulus> mweltin: mph.; Friday and Saturday - Occasional showers. Highs in the upper 80s. Lows near 80. Variable winds 10 mph.;

16:50 <mweltin> wow nothing about the flood warning

16:50 <mweltin> it rains all the time here.

16:50 <mweltin> but never really lasts all that long

16:51 <mweltin> but its been raining solid for a several hours

16:51 <mweltin> it started during hte night sometime

16:55 <PriitM> evening, could someone give me advice?

16:55 <PriitM> I'm thinking of buying this used ARCHOS Pocket Media Assistant 430 for 150$

16:55 <PriitM> full package

16:55 <PriitM> would it be good deal? :p

16:56 <mweltin> sounds cool, but I have no idea what it is. sorry.

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16:58 <PriitM> it is like laptop/pda put together

16:58 <PriitM> has wifi and 30gb hdd

16:58 <PriitM> runs linux

16:58 <mweltin> that's worth 150 right  there

16:58 <mweltin> what else does it do

16:59 <PriitM> record stuff from dvds and tv, has infrared, browses web, can mess with packages

16:59 <mweltin> its not on ebay is it?

16:59 <PriitM> it is on 'local' ebay

16:59 <mweltin> ssh client?

16:59 <PriitM> here in estonia =)

16:59 <Tank_Master> hehe

16:59 <PriitM> i belive you can install ssh

16:59 <mweltin> I'm looking at it now on some website

17:00 <PriitM> here's the manual with pictures and stuff: http://www.archos.com/support/download/manuals/EN_PMA400_Manual_V21.pdf

17:00 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Dbg> (at www.archos.com)

17:01 <mweltin> what does it retail for?

17:01 <PriitM> it was released in 2005 and i found prices of 1500$

17:02 <quail> g'morning all, how are we all?

17:02 <PriitM> Price Range: $541.99 - $541.99 (2 Sellers) *includes rebates and used pricing for new on pricespider

17:02 <mweltin> can you see it before you buy it?

17:02 <mweltin> sounds too good a deal

17:02 <mweltin> at 150$

17:02 <PriitM> yeah

17:02 <mweltin> well can't hurt to check it out

17:03 <PriitM> yeah, luckily enough seller lives in same city as me

17:03 <PriitM> thx for the advice :)

17:05 <PriitM> hmm, they got shop of some kind of manufactors site

17:05 <PriitM> new ones and newer versions cost like 200$

17:06 <mweltin> wow  1500 down to 200

17:06 <mweltin> technology is funny

17:06 <PriitM> indeed

17:06 <mweltin> you might as well just drop an extra 50 and get a new one.

17:06 <PriitM> yeah, it seems reasonable

17:06 <PriitM> thanks for the help :>

17:07 <mweltin> I'm full of free adivce

17:07 <PriitM> i see that

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17:11 <PriitM> so odd...

17:12 <PriitM> newer generations cost like 200-400 and this old generation one is still sold for 500$ on UK ebay

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17:58 <xcamel> another quiet night..

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18:08 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

18:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 40F / 4C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 20s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. Colder. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow (1 more message)

18:08 <wdsmia> &more

18:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: after midnight. Low in the lower 20s. Northeast wind near 5 mph increasing to southeast 10 to 15 mph after midnight.; Winter Storm Watch for Warren County in effect until 6:00 AM CST on December 02, 2007;

18:11 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

18:11 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

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18:11 <xcamel> hows things out there..

18:11 <wdsmia> dark

18:11 <wdsmia> lol

18:11 <xcamel> ditto

18:12 <wdsmia> another day at w@#% done

18:14 <wdsmia> had the directors yearly meeting today so half the afternoon was shot

18:24 <Tank_Master> ouch

18:24 <Tank_Master> thats about all meatings are good for

18:24 * xcamel hates meetings

18:25 <xcamel> looks like we're going to have a fairly big noreaster whip up this weekend

18:26 <wdsmia> your all very important, your all doing a great job, my door is always open, talk to you all in a year

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18:39 <MTughan> 'lo all

18:40 <zombie67> hi

18:40 <wdsmia> *lo Michael

18:41 <MTughan> Hmm, missed mweltin by just under an hour...

18:42 <Tank_Master> :)

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19:29 <MTughan> I had posed this question to PovAddict, but maybe someone here can answer it: Is there any advantage to using a typedef over a #define for "aliasing" variable types?

19:32 <MTughan> And 'lo to you BB and e

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19:35 <efc> yo

19:35 <efc> Aliasing?

19:35 <MTughan> typedef int <another_name>

19:36 <efc> Oh. Well it would let you selectively use the renamed form, instead of replacing all the ints

19:37 <MTughan> What? Do you know what a typedef does?

19:37 <CoderForLife> hello all

19:37 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

19:38 <CoderForLife> plink 220.85.13.116

19:39 <efc> Yep

19:40 * CoderForLife is an old typedefer

19:40 <MTughan> lol

19:40 <efc> if you are suggesting #define int myInt vs. typedef int myInt

19:41 <MTughan> Yeah, something like that.

19:44 <MTughan> Wow... 16 minutes to update stats on WCG? http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/stat/viewGlobal.do

19:44 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Deg> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

19:45 <Tank_Master> used to take several hours

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19:48 * CoderForLife wonders how idiots are measured - what units are used

19:48 <MTughan> Idiotic-ness?

19:49 <MTughan> Darwin Awards winners would score the highest, no doubt.

19:49 <CoderForLife> are they measured in "duh"s?

19:49 <MTughan> Hehe...

19:49 <CoderForLife> Darwinian units

19:49 <MTughan> DUs.

19:49 <CoderForLife> Beagles?

19:49 <MTughan> Hehe... They're still duh's...

19:49 <CoderForLife> lol

19:49 <CoderForLife> true that

19:50 <MTughan> I like it... Darwininan units.

19:50 <CoderForLife> yupper

19:50 <MTughan> Now how are they measured?

19:50 <CoderForLife> frequently

19:51 <MTughan> No, how do you determine how many DUs a person is?

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19:53 <MTughan> Hmm... I think even though I have WUs left on my old drive, I'll need to just get BOINC up and running again.

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19:55 <CoderForLife> You use DU stick to measure them

19:55 <MTughan> What, hit them with it, see how long it takes for them to fight back?

19:56 <MTughan> I think I may have just started something I'm not sure I want to...

19:56 <CoderForLife> No you hold DU stick next to the induhvidual and you see if they notice

19:56 <MTughan> lol

20:04 <MTughan> Holy crap! I got a buttload of SIMAP WUs, all due in 5 days!

20:04 <MTughan> 17 of them...

20:07 <xcamel> I should have been a lawyer..

20:07 <MTughan> lol

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20:10 <xcamel> had to go to court to get charges against my dog dismissed

20:11 <wdsmia> did your dog stick its nose up the wrong persons butt?

20:12 <CoderForLife> did the timberwolf file harassment charges?

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20:19 <efc> patent infringment.. "Expressing a plurality of ideas using precise placement of bodily waste products on lawn"

20:19 <MTughan> Ah... And someone filed charges?

20:19 <MTughan> Oh, nvm... I thought you were xcamel! xD

20:20 <wdsmia> tune in tomarrow to find out how xcamel's dog made the 10 most wanted list..... same bat time same bat channel

20:22 <efc> It took a dump that was classified as a WMD

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20:26 <wdsmia> xcamel needs to stop feeding him chili

20:32 <xcamel> this old fart that walks by the house is "intimidated" buy my 40lb mutt

20:34 <wdsmia> want to borrow my 110lb monster he's good at intimidation just before he licks you to death

20:35 <Tank_Master> lol

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20:36 <xcamel> I also have a 165lb newfie and a 100lb lab mutt

20:36 <efc> Oh the irony

20:37 <Tank_Master> I have a 23lb cat

20:37 <freelarry> b

20:37 <MTughan> 'lo fl

20:38 <MTughan> Tank_Master: That's a bit big... Our cat is about 8lbs or so.

20:38 <freelarry> well found an old compaq Presario 633 that has a 5.25 drive

20:38 <MTughan> And she's coming up on 17 years old.

20:38 <Tank_Master> 81?

20:38 <wdsmia> 23lb cat you must get 5lb hair balls lol

20:38 <MTughan> No, 8 lbs.

20:38 <Tank_Master> ahh

20:39 <freelarry> any suggestions on how to get broke off pin out of a vga connector?

20:39 <Tank_Master> neddle nose plyers?

20:39 <MTughan> Neddle nose, lol

20:39 <freelarry> only thing i see wrong currently - below the surface of connector

20:40 <Tank_Master> a needle then?

20:40 <freelarry> have to open case to see if i can get to it

20:40 <Tank_Master> large magnet

20:40 <freelarry> ffiab wife just got home

20:40 <freelarry> bbiab

20:40 <Tank_Master> gl

20:40 <efc> the wires are probably not iron based

20:41 <efc> You can clip the pin off the mating connector :) Then it will fit!

20:41 <wdsmia> lol

20:41 <Tank_Master> or just shome another one in real hard and pull it out the back side

20:42 <MTughan> Anyone have Leopard here?

20:43 <Tank_Master> dont you need a permit for those?

20:43 <MTughan> Not a leopard. Leopard.

20:43 <Tank_Master> to keep as a pet

20:43 <MTughan> As in OS X.

20:43 <Tank_Master> oohh...

20:43 <Tank_Master> :P

20:43 <MTughan> lol, yes I believe you need a permit to handle a leopard. :P

20:45 * wdsmia leaves to build a fire in the fireplace and watch a bit of the boob tube bbl

20:47 <CoderForLife> I'm going to wander off - cya folks back here soon

20:47 <Tank_Master> boob..

20:47 <Tank_Master> hehe, he said boob

20:47 * Tank_Master likes boobs

20:48 * CoderForLife shakes his head as he leaves

20:48 <IdleOne> HD boobs are great!

20:50 <MTughan> I'm not quite sure if I like where this is going...

20:51 <Tank_Master> LOL

20:51 * Tank_Master does

20:52 * MTughan is very intrigued by Tank_Master now

20:53 * Tank_Master is getting a stong tengly feeling of unease twords MTughan

20:53 <MTughan> tingly* ?

20:54 <xcamel> bras were not invented by Otto Titzling

20:54 <MTughan> ...

20:54 <Tank_Master> o.O? huh?

20:55 <MTughan> Replace the z with an s...

20:55 <Tank_Master> anywho, my dinner is ready

20:55 <MTughan> Bye.

20:57 <freelarry> humm looking at jumpers and processor would appear someone tried oc'ing it

20:57 <freelarry> no broken pin - intentional plug will have to look at different monitor

20:58 * MTughan needs Darwine

20:59 <MTughan> Looks like there's just a PPC version for now.

20:59 <xcamel> "The bra turns 100 years old - with no signs of sagging"

21:00 <xcamel> http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2007/09/27/2007-09-27_the_bra_turns_100_years_old__with_no_sig.html

21:00 <MTughan> Oh...

21:00 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Dfm> (at www.nydailynews.com)

21:02 <xcamel> useless fun facts...

21:14 <freelarry> ohh this is a super computer - 486sx33 mhz

21:15 <freelarry> and all 4 memory slots filled maybe a whole 512m?

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21:16 <MTughan> 'lo BB

21:16 <freelarry> and of course a telephone fax/modem all slots are isa

21:16 <BadBarbarian> lo MT

21:16 <freelarry> cant tell hd size but suspect 20M

21:16 <BadBarbarian> hey larry

21:17 <freelarry> and a massive 146W ps

21:17 <freelarry> heyya bb

21:17 <freelarry> have to find a drill bit to open the vga opening so can plug a non compaq monitor into it

21:18 <BadBarbarian> i think i will with some help lol make my quad a dual boot fedora 8 x64 and vista 32

21:19 * freelarry quake in fear of BadBarbarian comment

21:20 <BadBarbarian> lol with lots of help from the experts here

21:20 <BadBarbarian> kde and knome what the diferance

21:21 <MTughan> GNOME you mean.

21:21 <BadBarbarian> opps yes gnome

21:22 <MTughan> KDE is Windows like, GNOME is more similar to OS X, but they're still quite different.

21:22 <MTughan> For a simple summary.

21:22 <BadBarbarian> ok can you install both

21:22 <MTughan> Yes, you can.

21:23 <BadBarbarian> than i will download them and decide after its up and running

21:23 <MTughan> FC7 has a package manager which can install them. I wouldn't be surprised if F8 had one too.

21:24 <BadBarbarian> it has a broadcom wireless card and a tv capture card

21:24 <BadBarbarian> will this be a major problem

21:24 <MTughan> The TV capture card probably will not be able to be used. Wireless is iffy.

21:25 <BadBarbarian> darn my whole network is wireless

21:25 <MTughan> Some cards do work.

21:25 <xcamel> use KDE - much less "handholding"

21:25 <BadBarbarian> ok

21:25 <MTughan> I like KDE too.

21:26 <BadBarbarian> is there an equivient to media center in the linux world

21:26 <MTughan> Probably MythTV.

21:26 <freelarry> oh my a whole 16 M of memory

21:27 <MTughan> fl: We get it.

21:27 <freelarry> and starting in msdos

21:27 <BadBarbarian> lol larry is it a 386

21:27 <xcamel> if you get the whole package - MythTV is really cool

21:27 <BadBarbarian> will it use a tv card

21:28 <BadBarbarian> just a thought experiment right now

21:29 <MTughan> What kind of card?

21:29 <BadBarbarian> avera somthing

21:29 <xcamel> instant HD-DVR and any other kind of media you can think of..

21:29 <BadBarbarian> let me look

21:32 <BadBarbarian> Avermedia M791 TV tuner

21:35 * freelarry wonders where he could locate an isa nic card

21:36 <PovAddic1> me what?

21:36 <PovAddic1> oh

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21:36 <MTughan> 'lo Pov

21:37 <BadBarbarian> i could mail one to you lol

21:37 <xcamel> probably have a large box of them somewhere..

21:38 <BadBarbarian> me to old stuff is easy i never throw anything away

21:38 <xcamel> I even have a couple eisa cards somewhere

21:40 <freelarry> lol yeah iwas looking on internet - everything refurb

21:41 * freelarry is preping a new super comp for PovAddict to use (evil grin)

21:41 <BadBarbarian> lol they havent been made for 10 years

21:41 <freelarry> i was wrong on the hd size - only 10Meg

21:41 <freelarry> at least BadBarbarian

21:42 <PovAddict> can it parse 1.7GB XML files quickly enough? lol

21:42 <PovAddict> lol can't even hold it on disk

21:42 <freelarry> it has win 3.1 installed and working ;)

21:42 * PovAddict notes Yahoo Widget Engine 4.5 installer is 14MB, doesn't fit the hd

21:42 <xcamel> sheesh

21:43 <PovAddict> freelarry: ohh we were talking about those nostalgic stuff... could you send me pbrush.exe?

21:43 <PovAddict> from the win3.1 install

21:43 <freelarry> nope trying to tie it onto the local net so you could use the newest tech (5.25" floppy) and copy over to the nix machine

21:43 <freelarry> cant even get it onto the net yet as dialup modem

21:44 <freelarry> but for 15 dollars looks like good ol machine

21:44 <PovAddict> you need a null modem serial cable

21:44 * freelarry looks very confused

21:44 <PovAddict> you could network them via the serial port (RS232)

21:45 <MTughan> brb

21:45 <freelarry> haven't seen one of those types cable for over a decade

21:47 <freelarry> may have better luck finding a 10 m isa nic card

21:47 <freelarry> will check a couple of shops tomorrow

21:47 <BadBarbarian> larry i have in hand an isa net card

21:47 <freelarry> ohhh where you at

21:47 <BadBarbarian> az

21:48 <xcamel> arid-zona

21:48 <freelarry> och bit far from washington state

21:48 <BadBarbarian> not for mail

21:48 <freelarry> true side for addy?

21:48 <BadBarbarian> 2 days

21:48 <BadBarbarian> ok

21:49 <BadBarbarian> let me locate a pen

21:49 <freelarry> can send check to cover postage

21:51 <freelarry> humm BadBarbarian one of us must not be identified

21:52 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_host_graph.php?pr=bo&id=1793513

21:52 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1DgW> (at boincstats.com)

21:53 <PovAddict> 32 cores o.0

21:59 <xcamel> laterz all

21:59 <freelarry> l8r xcamel

21:59 <BadBarbarian> bye xcamel

22:00 <BadBarbarian> i  dont think it weights more than 8 oz larry

22:00 <freelarry> should be good then BadBarbarian

22:00 <BadBarbarian> got a webcam i could show it to you

22:01 <freelarry> no webcam here

22:01 <BadBarbarian> no need got msn

22:01 <freelarry> humm will sign in

22:01 <PovAddict> freelarry: the other direction... he has webcam

22:02 <freelarry> you know i'm denser than blackhole

22:02 <BadBarbarian> getting mine pluged in

22:02 <freelarry> ah its online now

22:03 <BadBarbarian> ok setup is running be a min.

22:03 <freelarry> larryweak at hotmail dot com

22:03 <MTughan> PovAddict: I wonder what kind of heat that 32-core throws off... :P

22:04 <freelarry> lots

22:04 <MTughan> RAC of 5652?!

22:04 <BadBarbarian> run_spock_run@hotmail.comi bet it will throw some real heat

22:04 <BadBarbarian> opps larry

22:05 <MTughan> Damn, despite that heat, I want one...

22:05 <BadBarbarian> run_spock_run@hotmail.com

22:06 <BadBarbarian> webcam is working

22:06 <BadBarbarian> call me

22:11 <BadBarbarian> there

22:13 <BadBarbarian> we think it will work but drivers i dont know about

22:14 <freelarry> lol if nothing else will search the compaq website

22:14 <freelarry> or card manufacturers site

22:16 <freelarry> bbl - have to visit the granddaughter over at the boys house

22:18 <BadBarbarian> DM9008f

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22:18 <BadBarbarian> thats the chipset i found win95 driver

22:19 <BadBarbarian> no dos driver though

22:19 <BadBarbarian> yet

22:21 <BadBarbarian> it says that the win95 driver will work with dos 6.2

22:33 <freelarry> ohh nice this machine is dos 6.0

22:44 <MTughan> Am I able to get a Windows library from someone?

22:44 <PovAddict> o/

22:44 <PovAddict> whatdayawant

22:44 <MTughan> It's for WINE. MSVCP60.dll

22:45 <PovAddict> 404KB

22:45 <MTughan> Hmm... I think that means it was programmed in Visual C...

22:45 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/msvcp60.dll

22:45 <PovAddict> and no

22:45 <PovAddict> even mingw links against that

22:45 <MTughan> Oh...

22:45 <PovAddict> against msvcrt actually

22:46 <MTughan> Well, whatever it's used for. Thanks.

22:46 <PovAddict> it's the only dll with the standard C library :)

22:46 <PovAddict> hmm I should tweak some config here

22:46 <PovAddict> 413696 bytes sent over the network

22:47 <PovAddict> you could have downloaded 112232, but I'm only gzipping text/plain and text/html responses

22:48 <freelarry> oh nice the drive works ;)

22:49 <MTughan> PovAddict: Where's you find it?

22:49 <MTughan> Where'd*

22:49 <PovAddict> find what?

22:49 <MTughan> The DLL. What folder?

22:49 <PovAddict> C:\Windows\system32

22:49 <MTughan> Thanks.

22:50 <BadBarbarian> larry what cpu has it got

22:50 <freelarry> 486sx 33 mhz

22:50 <BadBarbarian> you could run 98 onit

22:50 <freelarry> like the second machine i put together long ago

22:51 <BadBarbarian> how much memory

22:51 <freelarry> 16M

22:51 <BadBarbarian> 16 meg

22:51 <BadBarbarian> never mind lol

22:51 <freelarry> with all slots used

22:51 <PovAddict> will it blend?

22:51 <BadBarbarian> 4 4meg huh

22:52 <MTughan> Well, not working right now, but I am in WINE. Anyway, got Notepad++ as a portable version. Runs fine on WINE.

22:52 <freelarry> yup

22:52 <freelarry> don't know PovAddict

22:52 <BadBarbarian> did you read i fond the driver

22:52 <MTughan> http://www.willitblend.com/ xD

22:52 <Romulus> Title: Will It Blend? | Presented By Blendtec (at www.willitblend.com)

22:52 <freelarry> thinking of minimal linux for it

22:52 <BadBarbarian> found

22:53 <freelarry> yeah to bad they never upgraded the dos on that machine

22:53 <PovAddict> you can probably find dos6.2 somewhere on the 'net

22:53 <PovAddict> heck, I once found leaked MS DOS *sourcecode*

22:53 <freelarry> true PovAddict but have to reach the net first

22:53 <BadBarbarian> i  read the win95 driver will work with dos 6.2

22:53 <PovAddict> freelarry: does it have a 3 1/4" drive?

22:53 <freelarry> lol win 3.1

22:54 <freelarry> yup

22:54 <PovAddict> do you have a 3 1/4" drive on any other computer with internet access?

22:54 <freelarry> 3.5 for a, 5.25 for b and 10Meg hd as c:

22:54 <freelarry> this one and maybe one other

22:54 <PovAddict> search & download from another machine, save to floppies, install :)

22:55 * freelarry thinks PovAddict has to much time on hands

22:55 <PovAddict> in fact, I think *I* have a DOS 6.2 torrent on the other machine, I'll check tomorrow

22:55 <BadBarbarian> dm9008f is the chipset on the card google it

22:55 <PovAddict> DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1

22:55 <PovAddict> I think it's about 6MB everything lol

22:56 <BadBarbarian> will it run boinc

22:56 <PovAddict> lol no way

22:56 <BadBarbarian> lol i wu per week

22:56 <PovAddict> waitwait

22:56 <PovAddict> somebody actually ran SETI on "Win32s"

22:56 <BadBarbarian> the sx has the math co disabled

22:57 <PovAddict> which is some emulator that lets you run some 32-bit apps on Windows 3.11

22:57 <PovAddict> so in other words

22:57 <PovAddict> somebody actually ran SETI on Windows 3.11

22:57 <freelarry> lol just check version 3.1 not 3.11

22:58 <freelarry> nope has no math coprocessor at all

22:58 <PovAddict> that will suck at computing

22:58 <freelarry> was seperate chip at that time dx had them on die

22:58 <freelarry> oh my was mistaken 6.2 for msdos is the version ;)

22:59 <BadBarbarian> can you even get an internet software for it

23:00 <PovAddict> sure you can

23:00 <PovAddict> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Internet_Explorer_2.0.png

23:00 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1DhA> (at upload.wikimedia.org)

23:00 <PovAddict> that's running on Windows 3.x

23:00 <BadBarbarian> oh lol

23:00 <BadBarbarian> cool

23:01 <BadBarbarian> well i have to getup early night all

23:01 <MTughan> Night.

23:01 <PovAddict> found hostid

23:01 *** BadBarbarian has quit IRC

23:01 <PovAddict> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=85410

23:01 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1DhE> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

23:02 <PovAddict> seems quite a powerful machine to be running Win32s environment (on Win3.11)

23:02 <MTughan> Hehe... http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=guitarhero

23:03 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1DhG> (at www.willitblend.com)

23:14 <MTughan> I'm off to bed...

23:14 <MTughan> &nn all

23:14 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

23:14 <MTughan> Oh, found this today too...

23:14 <MTughan> &syn

23:14 <Romulus> ACK!

23:15 <MTughan> Someone having fun with TCP? :P

23:30 <PovAddict> http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/11/29/google-to-further-personalize-results/

23:30 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1DhZ> (at paulstamatiou.com)

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