00:13 <Soul_keeper> hey
00:14 <Soul_keeper> if i have a postage stamp that says FIRST CLASS on it, but doesn't have a $ amount, then what am i supposed to assume ?
00:15 <Soul_keeper> will it work even tho postage has gone up recently ?
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01:18 <freelarry> Soul_keeper what else is on it picture? or any other printing - even on edges
01:18 <Soul_keeper> says 2006
01:18 <Soul_keeper> lady liberty and an american flag
01:19 <freelarry> then it will require a 2 cent stamp along with it or will be returned
01:19 <freelarry> only counts currently as a 39cent stamp
01:20 <freelarry> 2007 or forever stamps are the 41 cent stamps
01:20 <freelarry> and yes the forever stamps will work on price increase in future
01:21 <freelarry> what they should have done with the first class stamps but commission didn't get the authority to do so
01:33 <Soul_keeper> thanks
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02:47 <freelarry> humm found an old prog called snoopII
02:48 <freelarry> ineractive disassembler for 80x86 family
02:48 <freelarry> and appears the disk still good
02:52 <freelarry> lol very early version as this one operates from dos
02:53 <freelarry> and see it has migrated to a windows type gui
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02:55 <mweltin> anyone have a recomendation for an apahce log file analyzer?
02:56 <mweltin> is there even anyone in this room
02:57 <mweltin> ok
02:57 <mweltin> bye
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03:58 <CoderForLife> morning any and all
03:59 <freelarry> morn CoderForLife
03:59 <CoderForLife> hey freelarry
04:00 <freelarry> found me a super computer at goodwill last night - its 20 mg hd and 16 meg memory good as well as the 5.25 floopy drive
04:00 <CoderForLife> zounds
04:01 <freelarry> seems some of the disks i have are still good
04:01 <CoderForLife> lol nice
04:01 <freelarry> tested out snoop II an 80x86 disassembler prog for dos
04:01 <freelarry> worked
04:02 <freelarry> for 15 dollars was good deal
04:02 <CoderForLife> anyone: when mweltin shows up, tell him "Webalizer" under Linux, and "FunnelWeb" under Windows
04:02 <freelarry> will try to remember
04:03 <CoderForLife> it's four-frakin A.M.
04:03 <CoderForLife> but mercifully it's Friday
04:04 <freelarry> ohh just saw msdos 3.31 disk with quadtel utils disk
04:04 <freelarry> lol went in last night - noticed was still on sched as annual leave so turned in chit for last 2 days of it
04:05 <freelarry> so sat is mon
04:05 <freelarry> 1988 version of turbo pascal
04:06 <efc> before everything got messed up
04:07 <freelarry> 87 version quattro - the professional spreadsheet lol ;)
04:07 <CoderForLife> I have that version in my collection
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04:07 <efc> don't you know borland wishes it was 1988 again
04:07 <CoderForLife> morning efc
04:07 <freelarry> professional write version 2.1 from 89
04:08 <efc> moo
04:08 <CoderForLife> do doubt on Borland
04:08 <freelarry> yeah bet they do - they dominated then
04:08 <CoderForLife> er no*
04:08 <CoderForLife> they were THE THING
04:08 <freelarry> cant wait to try and copy to 3.5 and transfer to hd on one of my other machines
04:09 <CoderForLife> I always like the Borland development environment over MS
04:09 <CoderForLife> My Y2K work was done in Borland C
04:09 <freelarry> not sure what nutshell and leading edge are
04:09 <efc> I did some in it too, was nice enough
04:10 <efc> leading edge was a computer company.. built my 386
04:10 <efc> Triangle thingy logo
04:10 <CoderForLife> I did some programming on Leading Edge = one of my favorite 60% IBM-compatibles
04:11 <CoderForLife> ditto Wang PCs and ALRs (Advanced Logic Research)
04:11 <freelarry> lol well have both disks here
04:11 <freelarry> nope confused again
04:11 <CoderForLife> brb b'fast is calling my name
04:11 <efc> mine was 99%, wang and alr, i remember programs having special modes for them ehhe
04:12 <freelarry> guess that 3.5 useless - got the idtape driver program on it but don't have it anymore
04:13 <freelarry> my early word processor usage was on cpt with 8"floppy drives
04:14 <freelarry> dang got rid of the idtape bu system when i went to win 98 and it wouldn't work with anything anymore
04:19 <freelarry> ohh microtoolware/toolware demo disk (circa 1985)
04:20 <freelarry> got packed up down in sandiego when i transfered and just found
04:20 <freelarry> should have ben turned in when i left
04:22 <CoderForLife> My first system was a CompuPro S-100 bus card cage, 8085 microprocessor, CP/M-80 OS, 64KB RAM, Hazeltine terminal, WordStar word processing, 2 Qume 8" floppy drives, Aztec C, Epson FX80 dot matrix printer - I thought I was in heaven
04:22 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Trunk Monkey Commercial (Road Rage) - Hilarious !! (at www.youtube.com)
04:22 <freelarry> formtool3 can understand don
04:22 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Trunk Monkey Compilation (at www.youtube.com)
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04:25 <freelarry> msdos 3.3 and seagate disk manager/diagnostic 3.4 (circa 88)
04:26 <CoderForLife> My first hard disk drive was the 20MB drive in my Macintosh SE
04:27 <freelarry> think that was what i installed on my first build during microcomputing repair course
04:28 <freelarry> back aroun 85/86
04:28 <freelarry> supper high capacity weren't they
04:29 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Office Rage (at www.youtube.com)
04:30 <freelarry> humm wonder what set him off
04:31 <freelarry> ah thats what it was - guy was throwing pens/pencils at him
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05:05 <CoderForLife> off to see the w@#%zard
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05:22 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Bad day at the office (at www.youtube.com)
05:25 <freelarry> well it might work ;)
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05:26 <quail> hey freelarry, how are you?
05:26 <quail> freelarry: don't mind me tonight I am on a funny bender
05:27 <freelarry> lol i should be sleeping
05:27 <mweltin> hey quail and freelary
05:27 <quail> hey mweltin
05:27 <mweltin> define "funny bender"
05:27 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Bad day at the office (at www.youtube.com)
05:27 <freelarry> got appt with contractor in am and need to try and find a null modem cable rs232
05:28 <mweltin> is that a 3 day binge on N2O
05:28 <freelarry> <CoderForLife> anyone: when mweltin shows up, tell him "Webalizer" under Linux, and "FunnelWeb" under Windows
05:28 <mweltin> I have two (null modem)
05:28 <mweltin> thanks
05:29 <mweltin> I've used webalizer before, that was a whlie ago, but I'm sure i can get that running.
05:29 <mweltin> quail, youtube doesn't really work well for me, it would be a half hour before I saw that.
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05:30 <mweltin> my connection is sllllloooooooooow.
05:30 <freelarry> been playing with old equipment myself - got a 15 dollar comp from goodwill that works
05:30 <mweltin> NICE
05:30 <freelarry> not so much so 486sx
05:30 <mweltin> I use the serial cable or a ARM dev baord I work on from time to time.
05:30 <BadBarbarian> lol you guys still awake
05:31 <freelarry> still but soon to bed bb
05:31 <mweltin> it's only 11:30 here
05:31 <freelarry> was looking thru some of the old disk
05:31 <mweltin> can't sleep I'm still sick, I've been in bed for two days.
05:31 <freelarry> 23o here
05:31 <BadBarbarian> 3:30am here
05:31 <mweltin> you guy still away?!
05:31 <BadBarbarian> lol
05:31 * freelarry fingers already drifting off so guess time to say
05:31 <freelarry> &nn all
05:31 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
05:32 <mweltin> I mean awake
05:32 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023
05:32 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...mostly cloudy with a 10 percent chance of rain showers after midnight. Lows around 31 on the North Rim to around 51 along the Colorado River. South winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Friday - (2 more messages)
05:32 <BadBarbarian> &more
05:32 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers in the morning...cloudy with rain in the afternoon. Highs around 41 on the North Rim to around 63 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming south 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.; Friday Night - Rain. Lows around 36 on the North Rim to around 56 along the Colorado River. South winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light...then becoming (1 more message)
05:32 <BadBarbarian> &more
05:32 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: south around 15 mph after midnight.;
05:32 <mweltin> 1 degree
05:32 <mweltin> A whole degree wow
05:32 <freelarry> &weather 98366
05:32 <mweltin> you must be so proud
05:32 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s to lower 30s. North wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the northeast after midnight.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s to lower 40s. North wind to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the 20s to (1 more message)
05:32 <freelarry> ohh 2.5
05:33 <mweltin> we had a flash flood warning today.
05:33 <freelarry> three?
05:33 <mweltin> got an inch and half of rain in one hour, and it rained all day too.
05:33 <mweltin> in fact it's still rainging now.
05:36 <mweltin> I did some research on the TSP, some really smart people have worked on this.
05:37 <mweltin> there are ways to eliminate huge portions of the search space
05:37 <mweltin> I should have done more research
05:37 <mweltin> oh well, I got what I got
05:45 <xcamel> boo
05:45 <mweltin> you are up too
05:46 <BadBarbarian> morning xcamel
05:47 <xcamel> off to work shortly
05:48 <xcamel> tgif
05:49 <mweltin> almost
05:49 <mweltin> what do you do for work?
05:51 <xcamel> my own company
05:52 <xcamel> bbl..
05:52 <mweltin> later
05:55 <mweltin> webalizer is choking on my logfile
05:55 <mweltin> Error: Skipping oversized log record
05:55 <mweltin> Warning: Truncating oversized request field
05:57 <mweltin> well not too bad over all 3491314 records (33 bad) in 234.24 seconds
05:58 <mweltin> OHMG
05:58 <mweltin> if you ever want good web stats run a boinc project
05:58 <mweltin> Total Hits 744662
06:09 <mweltin> ok I'm out
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06:36 <Priit_M> i was sexually abused :<
06:36 <Priit_M> today night
06:36 <Priit_M> cat sucked my nipple
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07:13 <hawmps> 'lo ElG..
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07:52 <PriitM> netsplit ftw =O
07:57 <hawmps> yupper
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09:08 <hawmps> &weather 12020
09:08 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 31.3°F / -0.4°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Scattered snow showers this morning. Highs in the lower 40s. Southwest winds around 15 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with scattered snow showers after midnight. Cold (1 more message)
09:08 <hawmps> &more
09:08 <Romulus> hawmps: with lows around 20. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Colder with highs in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;
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12:05 <BadBarbarian> morning Hawmps
12:06 <BadBarbarian> I mailed freelarrys isa netcard if i am not here someone tell him please
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12:59 <hawmps> will do...
13:00 <TM-Work> you...
13:00 <TM-Work> he has an isa card?
13:01 <TM-Work> man..
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13:13 <E-30> i am back now
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13:23 <BadBarbarian> howdy all
13:24 <E-30> hey how are you doing
13:24 <zombie67> hello
13:27 <BadBarbarian> doing well
13:27 <BadBarbarian> darn isp is acting up i am here than gone lol
13:28 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023
13:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers in the morning...rain in the afternoon. Precipitation may be heavy at times. Highs around 44 on the North Rim to around 62 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph in the (2 more messages)
13:29 <BadBarbarian> &more
13:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: afternoon.; Tonight - Rain. Rain may be heavy at times. Lows around 33 on the North Rim to around 54 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph after midnight.; Saturday - Breezy. Rain showers likely. Snow level 6500 feet in the afternoon. Highs around 40 on the North Rim to around 56 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of showers 70 percent.; (1 more message)
13:29 <BadBarbarian> &more
13:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Flash Flood Watch for Coconino County in effect until 11:00 AM MST on December 01, 2007;
13:30 <hawmps> glad you sent one - I have a box of 24 of them (intel 10/100's)
13:30 <BadBarbarian> np
13:31 <E-30> cool
13:31 <BadBarbarian> i even found drivers online it says the win95 drivers work for dos
13:32 <E-30> wow
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13:37 <zombie67> ugh. the next 24 days are going to be painful, watching me drop in all the other projects... http://boincstats.com/search/all_projects.php?cpid=0a7b8378436fdcaef549d87e35f26480
13:38 <yoyo[RKN]> but your WCG credits will increase zombie67
13:38 <zombie67> yea, one green line, and 60 red lines
13:40 <zombie67> also, I was getting 25-30k/day with crunching all projects. Looks like I will be getting 19k/day 100% wcg.
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13:43 <zombie67> looks like I am ranked 32 by daily credit among BOINC users on WCG.
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14:14 <freelarry> thanks BadBarbarian saw your message in the channels
14:16 <Tank_Master> not bad, Z
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14:17 <BadBarbarian> np larry
14:18 <freelarry> contractor just showed up and got measurements - he'll mail an estimate in a few days for flooring
14:18 <freelarry> wife still beating me over head to use her friends and just buy them the tools
14:19 <freelarry> but either way they going to have to wait till i get my check
14:27 <hawmps> anyone remember how to re-register libs in linux..
14:27 <hawmps> is it a function of ldconfig?
14:29 <freelarry> was looking in book here but i dont know enough to guess
14:42 <freelarry> ohh just tried snoop prog on this machine and it runs
14:42 <freelarry> not that i remember how to use it
14:44 <freelarry> at least under this xp pro just open dos prompt where on win3.1 had to exit to dos to run
14:47 <Tank_Master> you meen exit to get back to dos...
14:56 <Romulus> Title: NWS radar image loop of Base Reflectivity from Flagstaff, AZ (at radar.weather.gov)
14:56 <BadBarbarian> click on that tank
14:57 <Tank_Master> Java is necessary for radar looping and is best optimized using Java version 1.4.2 or higher
14:57 <Tank_Master> gaa
14:57 <Tank_Master> they trying to kill my system?
14:59 <hawmps> damn slow
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15:00 <Tank_Master> mw!
15:00 <mweltin> hey Tank
15:00 <Tank_Master> Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
15:00 <mweltin> which one?
15:00 <Tank_Master> dumb weather page
15:00 <BadBarbarian> lol
15:01 <mweltin> f'n IE
15:01 <Tank_Master> its not IE's fault the server sucks
15:01 <Tank_Master> oh, btw mw
15:01 <BadBarbarian> its a looping it takes time to download all the images
15:01 <Tank_Master> they are talking about issuing a huricane worning for oregon for sunday
15:01 <BadBarbarian> huh
15:01 <Tank_Master> I dont got no java, so no looping
15:02 <mweltin> wow
15:02 <hawmps> winter storm/noreaster warning here sunday into monday...
15:02 <mweltin> that is serious
15:02 <mweltin> not good
15:02 <Tank_Master> I guess they figure tha last several dozzen 100+ mph storms werent hurricanes, but this on is?
15:03 <mweltin> last several dozen? Was that this year?
15:03 <Tank_Master> its not like its a rare thing allong our coast...
15:04 <Tank_Master> we tipically got one or 2 storms a year with 75+ mph winds
15:04 <Tank_Master> last year was defently a stong one
15:04 <Tank_Master> err.. had one strong one
15:05 <BadBarbarian> portland is a little far north for a huricane they need warm water and oregan dont have warm water lol
15:05 <Tank_Master> we still get winds just a strong though
15:05 <BadBarbarian> ok
15:05 <BadBarbarian> lol
15:05 <Tank_Master> weve already had 2 storms 45mph+
15:05 <mweltin> yeah that is one thing that I don't like about OR
15:05 <Tank_Master> this fall
15:05 <mweltin> cold water
15:05 <BadBarbarian> not good
15:05 <Tank_Master> hehe
15:06 <Tank_Master> thats what a wet suit is for
15:06 <mweltin> I don't know what I'm going to do about diving.
15:06 <Tank_Master> its what, 45f year around?
15:06 <mweltin> no you need a dry stuit
15:06 <mweltin> they are like $1500 for a cheap one.
15:06 <Tank_Master> I dont remember what temp our ocean is right off
15:06 <Tank_Master> wow
15:06 <BadBarbarian> hell even in southern california you need a wet suit
15:07 <BadBarbarian> 50's
15:07 <mweltin> I did my cert dives in a two wet suits
15:07 <mweltin> and I was still cold
15:08 <Tank_Master> lol
15:08 <Romulus> Title: NWS - National Mosaic Enhanced Radar Image: Full Resolution (at radar.weather.gov)
15:08 <BadBarbarian> scroll down to arizona
15:09 <Tank_Master> I detect a disterbance in the weather
15:09 <BadBarbarian> lol you said it
15:10 <BadBarbarian> la is getting hammered
15:11 <Tank_Master> people in LA ALWAYS get hammered
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15:15 <hawmps> no more fire worries...
15:16 <Tank_Master> hope so :)
15:16 <Tank_Master> some are saying more ppl were displaced from the fires than katrena
15:16 <hawmps> not hardly..
15:17 <mweltin> people are allowed to burn their garbage here.
15:18 <mweltin> no chance of fire danger
15:19 <Tank_Master> hehe
15:19 <Tank_Master> you can here to, just not in city limits
15:19 <mweltin> although the local pago store burned down a few days ago.
15:19 <Tank_Master> ouch
15:20 <mweltin> there are only two real supermarkets here so small pack stores have a lot of stuff you wouldn't normally see
15:20 * freelarry just listened to news weather - wants to hide head under furnace - they used the S word for tomorrow afternoon when i have to commute
15:21 <mweltin> anyway after two days the stench was hard to stand
15:21 <Tank_Master> lol
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15:21 <mweltin> the insurance agency said they couldnt' clean it up until they get here.
15:21 <Tank_Master> and you can exactly go far to get away either...
15:21 <freelarry> yeah sounds like insurance
15:22 <mweltin> they called the EPA and they told the insurance company that that was ont going to happen.
15:23 <zombie67> I was worried about that...shouldn't have stopped going full boar until I got my 100k
15:23 <Tank_Master> lol
15:23 <Tank_Master> yeah
15:24 <freelarry> humm anyone want to try out an old dos based 80x86 disassembler?
15:24 <freelarry> <300K total size
15:25 <mweltin> I don't get it, what didn't they expect (nqueens)
15:26 <Tank_Master> the outcome?
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15:28 <mweltin> I like that extra little css box with the server stats
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15:30 <zombie67> TM, any luck joining the race?
15:30 <Tank_Master> havent fond the founder yet and havent gooten any replys about still adding the team anyway
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15:32 <zombie67> did you send email to support?
15:33 <zombie67> pov: the mark all read buttons are now gone from the BOINC forums too. what's up?
15:33 <Tank_Master> yes
15:33 <Tank_Master> e-mail was sent, noth back yet
15:35 <mweltin> I ran webalizer last night
15:35 <zombie67> I sent mine over the holiday break, and they responded on Monday.
15:35 <zombie67> webalizer?
15:35 <mweltin> I was more than a little shocked
15:35 <Tank_Master> I sent mine tureday
15:35 <mweltin> web log analyzer
15:36 <Tank_Master> I was shocked to that they havent responded yet
15:36 <Tank_Master> ;)
15:36 <mweltin> my GF said her blog got more hits then my project
15:36 <zombie67> ;) I figured out that much
15:36 <Tank_Master> LOL
15:36 <mweltin> she had something like 287 page vliews
15:37 <Romulus> Title: Usage Statistics for bob - Last 12 Months (at bob.myisland.as)
15:38 <mweltin> the index page has almost 20k hits
15:39 <zombie67> getting lunch. bbl
15:39 * Tank_Master is eating lunch
15:40 <BadBarbarian> lol had lunch
15:40 <Tank_Master> well, arent you just trying to get ahead ;)
15:45 <BadBarbarian> i am an hour earlyer now
15:45 <Tank_Master> I know
15:45 <mweltin> did you move?
15:46 <Tank_Master> hehe
15:46 <BadBarbarian> no daylight savings time in arizona
15:46 <Tank_Master> Az dosent change the time
15:46 <Tank_Master> they think it makes them special ;)
15:46 <mweltin> we don't either
15:46 <BadBarbarian> good for you
15:46 <Tank_Master> well, oh crap, that would make me the only one chane now...
15:47 <Tank_Master> I guess Im the special one now
15:47 <BadBarbarian> i had a guy in the store that told me that the time change was good for plants lol
15:48 <Tank_Master> o.O?
15:48 <Tank_Master> hoe does that work?
15:48 <BadBarbarian> i didnt know plants could tell time
15:48 <mweltin> he is crazy
15:48 <Tank_Master> lol
15:48 <BadBarbarian> thats what i said to him
15:49 <BadBarbarian> he left
15:49 <Tank_Master> hehe
15:51 <mweltin> does this seem odd to you?
15:51 <mweltin> my friend gets pegged with a 60 suspension of his drivers license
15:51 <mweltin> 60 day
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15:52 <Tank_Master> for what?
15:52 <mweltin> and charged with careless and neglegent driving
15:52 <mweltin> excessive speed
15:52 <Tank_Master> how excessice?
15:52 <Tank_Master> 100kph over?
15:53 <mweltin> so after about 2k in legal fees get gets it plead down to 2 points and $321 fine
15:53 <mweltin> I'm not sure, but honestly that would not surprise me at all
15:53 <Tank_Master> LOL
15:53 <mweltin> so here is the ironic part
15:53 <mweltin> 20 hours of community service, guess what they have him doing.
15:54 <mweltin> Meals on Wheels
15:54 <Tank_Master> you... whate... theres a meals on wheels there?
15:54 <Tank_Master> thats just... so wrong
15:55 <mweltin> he lives in VT
15:55 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok
15:55 <Tank_Master> thats better
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16:08 <zombie67> back
16:11 <Tank_Master> wb
16:17 <zombie67> tm: check this out: http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=zombie67&templatefn=FileSharing46.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.46.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en
16:17 <zombie67> get the spreadsheet and open it.
16:19 <Tank_Master> the wcg one?
16:21 <zombie67> there is only one, yeah
16:21 <Tank_Master> what am I looking at here?
16:22 <PriitM> ooh, 13h WUs
16:22 <PriitM> s@h
16:22 <zombie67> here is the thing: all machines are granted roughly what they requested
16:22 <zombie67> except for the Xp 8-ways
16:23 <zombie67> for those, only FAAH even came close
16:23 <zombie67> At first I* thought it as a particular machine problem. That is why I looked at a second one to make sure
16:24 <Tank_Master> that might be because the windows run better, but get validated againce the linux?
16:24 <zombie67> no, then you would see the same thing with the C2Q
16:24 <Tank_Master> ahh
16:25 <zombie67> And it is not a dual xeon problem, because the mac is okay
16:26 <zombie67> I think the non-FAAH XP apps must have some memory bus thrashing going on, or something
16:27 <Tank_Master> could be
16:28 <zombie67> for some reason, it is taking that combination (8-way + XP) longer, and there by claiming more, than other machines.
16:28 <zombie67> In any case, since I have three of those boxes, I have turned off all projects except FAAH
16:28 <Tank_Master> :)
16:29 <zombie67> that should give me a 10% bump.
16:29 <zombie67> brb
16:29 <Tank_Master> hf
16:33 <zombie67> bcak
16:33 <Tank_Master> wb
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16:39 <MTughan> mweltin: Ah, you're here. Got my Mac building environment back up.
16:40 <mweltin> I'm here
16:40 <mweltin> congrads on your mac building env
16:40 <MTughan> I mean for TSP.
16:41 <mweltin> even better
16:41 <Tank_Master> lol
16:41 <MTughan> I got partial builds of BOINC for 64-bit from zombie67, but I still don't have an x86_64 or a PPC64 app for OS X.
16:44 <MTughan> I also committed a slight change to tspParser.cpp. I turned on warnings just to see what I'd get, and got two things: a wrong output identifier (int instead of unsigned long) and an unused variable.
16:44 <mweltin> ahh I wondered what that was, I ran an svn update
16:45 <mweltin> but I didn't remember changing the tspParser.cpp
16:45 <MTughan> Yeah, that was me. :P
16:46 <Tank_Master> illbbl
16:46 <MTughan> hf
16:46 <mweltin> I'm finally getting started on the ga again
16:46 <MTughan> ga?
16:46 <mweltin> all the pieces are there, but need to be rearranged.
16:47 <mweltin> genetic algorithm
16:47 <MTughan> Ah...
16:47 <MTughan> That's the GA folder in TSP, right?
16:47 <mweltin> yup
16:47 <MTughan> Should I get started on modifying my Makefile to include that, or wait a bit?
16:48 <mweltin> wait
16:48 <MTughan> K.
16:48 <mweltin> it's not close to ready
16:50 <mweltin> crunh3r wants to offer optimized apps on his site
16:51 <MTughan> I need to take a look at some more of the optimizations that GCC can offer. PovAddict says that SSEx won't help.
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16:52 <mweltin> Pov knows his stuff
16:52 <MTughan> Because SSE is meant to help with FP.
16:52 <mweltin> crunch3rs optimizations are only from some cpu specific compiler flags.
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17:17 <xcamel> Daredevil Evel Knievel dead at 69
17:20 <mweltin> when I was in grade school he was the coolest thing on the face of the earth.
17:20 <mweltin> I even had one of those Evel Knievel stunt cycle toys with the wind up crank and ramp.
17:23 <MTughan> Wow... Even though BOINC was out for only a few days, my RAC on TSP has already dropped 20%.
17:23 <MTughan> &math calc 43.81 / 52.29
17:23 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.837827500478
17:23 <MTughan> Okay, 16.2%.
17:24 <mweltin> is boinc your cluster?
17:24 <MTughan> My cluster?
17:24 <mweltin> what was BOINC, you clients ?
17:24 <mweltin> I guess what was down a few days?
17:24 <MTughan> Not sure what you're talking about... My Mac was down.
17:25 <MTughan> Right now, that's my only machine running BOINC.
17:25 <mweltin> Even though BOINC was out for only a few days.... you mean your mac running boinc?
17:25 <MTughan> Yeah.
17:26 * CoderForLife slinks in
17:26 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
17:26 <CoderForLife> oh... Hi!
17:26 <MTughan> Damn, I forgot my slap script was gone... :(
17:26 <mweltin> hey CFL I installed webalizer
17:26 <CoderForLife> oh good - glad you got my message =)
17:26 <mweltin> no, slap script is gone?
17:27 <MTughan> It's on my old hard drive, remember?
17:27 <zombie67> EK was a regular at a local bikini bar. lots of pictures of him, lots of signatures
17:27 <mweltin> I didn't know where it was
17:27 <MTughan> Anything that I'm missing is on my old hard drive.
17:27 <MTughan> If that helps.
17:37 <zombie67> So, SIMAP wasn't able to finish the nov work in nov.
17:38 <MTughan> Even though I got 17 SIMAP WUs pushed to my computer...
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17:45 <mweltin> POV!!!
17:45 <xcamel> wooo... 6" snow my monday (maybe more)
17:47 <xcamel> big coastal storm coming from BB's home turf...
17:47 <CoderForLife> I'll probably wash away on Sunday
17:48 <CoderForLife> I plan to get back home tomorrow before the rain/sleet starts in the evening
17:48 <PriitM> some dick offered me bunch of files again
17:49 <PriitM> * FileSender has offered Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso (-1 bytes)
17:49 <PriitM> * FileSender has offered Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso (-1 bytes)
17:49 <PovAddict> -1 bytes?
17:49 <PovAddict> that's trying to exploit some bug
17:49 <PriitM> all those within 1 minute too
17:49 <CoderForLife> downloading that erases your hard drive
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17:49 <PriitM> 10x
17:49 <MTughan> 'lo Doug
17:50 * CoderForLife waits for the Iowa weather report
17:50 <wdsmia> *lo All
17:50 <xcamel> 'lo Don
17:50 <CoderForLife> hey Doug - wattuo
17:50 <CoderForLife> hello Jay
17:50 <wdsmia> weather cold... tomarrow Damn cold and ice
17:50 <xcamel> and Doug
17:50 <CoderForLife> er wattup
17:51 <wdsmia> tgif
17:51 <CoderForLife> indeed
17:51 <xcamel> indeed
17:51 <CoderForLife> lol
17:51 <xcamel> been a long week
17:51 <wdsmia> yes it has
17:51 <zombie67> pov: simap did not finish
17:52 <xcamel> now I have to go dig out the big blower and mount it tomorrow...
17:52 <CoderForLife> I w@#%ed the last 3 weeks for the presentation I did this afternoon in the board room
17:52 <MTughan> And now I've got a convert tomorrow... It's at 9:30 or so, and I have to be there at noon. :P
17:52 <MTughan> concert*
17:52 <MTughan> I'm the light guy. ;)
17:52 <xcamel> converts are more phun...
17:52 <MTughan> lol
17:52 <CoderForLife> lol
17:53 <CoderForLife> much better than presentations on annuity order entry systems
17:54 <xcamel> anyone who sells annuities or VA's should be taken out and shot
17:55 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 30.49in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow after midnight. Low in the lower 20s. Temperature steady or slowly rising after midnight. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Freezing rain...sleet...snow and rain in the morning... then (2 more messages)
17:55 <wdsmia> &more
17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: rain...freezing rain and sleet in the afternoon. Little or no snow and sleet accumulation. Ice accumulation of one quarter to one half of an inch. High in the upper 30s. Southeast wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Saturday Night - Cloudy. Rain likely in the evening...then a chance of rain and areas of drizzle after midnight. Breezy. Not as cool. (1 more message)
17:55 <wdsmia> &more
17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: Low in the mid 30s. South wind 20 to 25 mph shifting to the west 15 to 20 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Ice Storm Warning for Warren County in effect until 3:00 PM CST on December 01, 2007;
17:55 <MTughan> Ouch.
17:56 <CoderForLife> ugh
17:56 <xcamel> nasty..
17:56 <CoderForLife> but I'll take Doug's weather over Jay's solution =)
17:57 <xcamel> btw:
17:57 <zombie67> w00t!
17:57 <xcamel> Daredevil Evel Knievel dead at 69
17:57 <zombie67> new mobo just arrived!
17:57 <CoderForLife> I saw that
17:57 <CoderForLife> couldn't cheat death forever...
17:57 <rubiks120> mweltin, hi
17:57 <zombie67> EK was a regular at a local bikini bar. lots of pictures of him, lots of signatures
17:57 <xcamel> does he get burried, or recycled?
17:58 <zombie67> shot on a rocket into the GC
17:58 <MTughan> lol
17:58 <mweltin> PovAddict, you made a good point about using the same random number seed for different workunits.
17:58 <CoderForLife> lots of spare parts
17:58 <mweltin> how does that work with checkpointing?
17:58 <CoderForLife> bbiab
17:59 <PovAddict> mweltin: you DON'T use rand(), include a random number generator with your app that allows getting its full state
17:59 <mweltin> I can't use the same seed when I return from a checkpoint.
17:59 <mweltin> ok
17:59 <mweltin> sweet I already do that.
17:59 <PovAddict> then you can save the rng state on the checkpoint
18:00 <mweltin> ok I have to check my mail
18:00 <mweltin> I'll bbl
18:00 <mweltin> take care all
18:00 <mweltin> bye
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18:04 <freelarry> ahh gots to stop running up and down stairs
18:05 <MTughan> Getting winded?
18:05 <freelarry> legs threating to run off without me
18:05 <MTughan> lol
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18:09 <zombie67> bbl
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18:16 <freelarry> PovAddict you still around?
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18:18 * CoderForLife , the annuity demon, has returned
18:18 <MTughan> lol
18:19 <CoderForLife> I don't sell them, I just help manufacture them
18:19 <freelarry> really CoderForLife - cashed out my universal life but still have the annuity policy
18:20 <CoderForLife> they help fund my paycheck
18:20 <MTughan> brb
18:20 <freelarry> personnel if tax bite wasn't so bad i would have cashed out the annuity
18:21 <CoderForLife> we'll get about $1.2B in revenue this year from annuity sales
18:21 <freelarry> more costs on it :(
18:21 <freelarry> altho 3500+for cashout deferal of fees on life insurance bad enough
18:22 <freelarry> over 16yrs with that policy
18:23 <freelarry> bil talking about rolling his annuity from same company over to one at edward jones
18:24 <freelarry> after 2 yrs due to fees
18:24 <xcamel> just big fee generating machines...
18:24 <freelarry> thats what i've noticed
18:25 <freelarry> tsp not so bad
18:25 <freelarry> not the traveling salesman
18:25 <xcamel> brokers can really live large selling those products
18:25 <freelarry> he needs the tax break tho
18:26 <MTughan> CoderForLife: Where do you w%$#?
18:28 <freelarry> how do you make something available to internet on xppro shared folder?
18:28 <MTughan> You'll need an unfiltered Internet connection, or a router that's configure to forward the ports you want to your computer.
18:29 <freelarry> ugg
18:29 <MTughan> After that, you should just be able to do normal sharing.
18:29 <freelarry> router set up for nix machine but files on win machine
18:29 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to Ohio National Financial Services (at www.ohionational.com)
18:30 <MTughan> Ah...
18:30 <freelarry> bother w/*-s for something similar but in iowa
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18:35 <MTughan> 'lo e
18:35 <xcamel> 'lo e
18:35 <PovAddict> from a shared folder you *cant* make it available to outside 'net
18:36 <PovAddict> only LAN
18:36 <MTughan> How can XP tell the difference between Internet and LAN though?
18:36 <freelarry> ugg PovAddict can you ssh from nix to win share both on same lan
18:36 <PovAddict> windows has no ssh
18:36 <MTughan> telnet.
18:37 <MTughan> Damn, not that either...
18:37 <PovAddict> disabled by default, and Windows has few useful things available from cmd line anyway
18:37 <MTughan> Well, I'm sure you could get ssh for Windows.
18:37 <freelarry> ahve putty on this machine too pov
18:37 <MTughan> That's a client.
18:37 <freelarry> gnome shows but know you dont use gui
18:38 <PovAddict> I have no idea how to access a windows share from linux
18:38 <MTughan> Samba.
18:38 <PovAddict> well, I have no idea how to use samba
18:38 <MTughan> smb://ip
18:38 <PovAddict> typed where?
18:39 <MTughan> I like Konqueror.
18:39 <MTughan> Nautilus should work too though.
18:39 <PovAddict> konqueror from ssh won't work :)
18:39 <MTughan> Well, curl might be able to pick it up.
18:39 <MTughan> I've never tried that myself, but oughta work.
18:42 <Tank_Master> ib
18:42 <MTughan> wb
18:42 <MTughan> PovAddict: You could always install Apache on Windows too...
18:43 <PovAddict> I know
18:43 <PovAddict> but I have no idea what the hell larry is doing
18:44 <Tank_Master> something off in his own little world
18:44 <MTughan> lol
18:46 <MTughan> bbl
18:47 <Tank_Master> hf
18:50 <xcamel> checking different weather models... this one could be a wopper... or not.
18:52 <Tank_Master> which one where?
18:52 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007
18:52 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 40.8°F / 4.9°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Snow level 500 feet. Lows around 30. Light wind...except east 10 to 15 mph near The Gorge.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow in (1 more message)
18:52 <Tank_Master> &more
18:52 <Romulus> Tank_Master: the morning...then rain...mixed with or as snow...likely in the afternoon. Minor accumulations possible...with up to 1 inch on higher hills. Highs 35 to 40. East wind 10 mph... becoming south wind 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Rain. Lows around 35. South wind 10 to 20 mph.;
18:54 <CoderForLife> looks like they drew a bullseye over Iowa
18:54 <wdsmia> looks that way :-(
18:54 <Tank_Master> they are saying 2-4" of snow tomorrow and hurricane force winds on sunday for here
18:54 <Tank_Master> and 4" of ran as well sunday
18:54 <CoderForLife> you don't look very good in pink, Doug
18:55 <Tank_Master> lol
18:55 * wdsmia sends it ESE to CoderForLife
18:56 * CoderForLife brandishes his flamethrower
18:57 <Tank_Master> that to melt the ice n snow?
18:58 <CoderForLife> melts anything that's pink
18:58 <xcamel> Doug's storm is the kicker for our coastal blast
18:58 <xcamel> will all the moisture from the SW
18:58 <wdsmia> it could get messy
18:58 <CoderForLife> the first thing we do around here is assign blame
18:59 <Tank_Master> lol
18:59 <CoderForLife> thanks, Doug =)
18:59 <xcamel> and point fingers
18:59 <CoderForLife> omg http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/11/britains-lost-d.html
19:00 <CoderForLife> I guess I missed that in the news
19:00 <Tank_Master> now THAT sucks
19:01 <CoderForLife> very very ugly
19:01 <Tank_Master> to bad they werent using vista's bitlocker dive encription
19:02 <PovAddict> too bad they weren't using ANY encryption
19:02 <PovAddict> file-level encryption would do for that
19:02 <xcamel> that'll leave a mark..
19:02 <Tank_Master> hehe
19:02 <Tank_Master> and a bad taste in the mouth
19:02 <CoderForLife> and a limp
19:03 <xcamel> &weather 12074
19:03 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 30.0°F / -1.1°C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with isolated snow showers this evening... then mostly cloudy with scattered snow showers after midnight. Cold with lows in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Much (1 more message)
19:03 <xcamel> &more
19:03 <Romulus> xcamel: colder with highs in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Colder with lows around 10 above. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Winter Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on December 03, 2007;
19:03 <xcamel> yummy
19:03 <CoderForLife> or not
19:12 <xcamel> guess I'll have to gas up the honda snowblower then...
19:12 <Tank_Master> :P
19:13 <Tank_Master> fun times
19:13 <xcamel> and dig out the heavy winter gloves
19:13 <xcamel> and hats
19:13 <xcamel> and mukluks
19:13 <Tank_Master> and waa?
19:14 <xcamel> boots
19:14 <wdsmia> rofl
19:16 <Tank_Master> ahh
19:19 <xcamel> about time...
19:36 <xcamel> tap tap tap...
19:37 <freelarry> hates to think about weather as tv keeps using S word for tomorrow
19:44 * CoderForLife gets off the phone with Mom
19:45 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
19:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 40.3°F / 4.6°C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029.0hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 20s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. East winds 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Cloudy. A chance of showers after midnight. Evening lows in the upper 30s...then (1 more message)
19:46 <CoderForLife> &more
19:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: temperatures rising into the mid 40s after midnight. Southeast winds around 15 mph...becoming south after midnight. Chance of rain 50 percent.;
19:46 <CoderForLife> then, a Sunday soaker
19:46 <CoderForLife> brb
19:57 <xcamel> off to watch some scifi
19:57 <xcamel> laterz..
20:03 <CoderForLife> nighty-night pour moi
20:04 <CoderForLife> bonsoir
20:04 <PovAddict> _o/
20:04 <CoderForLife> et vous aussi, mon ami PovAddict
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20:19 * FauxFaux notes that nobody has bothered to make the client actually work on vista yet, goddamn, I really don't want to have to do it myself. :p
20:19 <Tank_Master> ?
20:20 <FauxFaux> "Work around Vista problems by running all components with administrative rights." <-- Epic solution.
20:20 <Tank_Master> im having no problems with the BOINC client on server 2008... ahh
20:20 <Tank_Master> yeah, thatll have to wate for 6.x
20:20 <FauxFaux> It's, like, the opposite of a solution.
20:20 <Tank_Master> 6.1.2 is out, bit only 32bit
20:21 <FauxFaux> Aaaaaaaaagh, the pain.
20:21 <Tank_Master> hehe
20:21 <Tank_Master> its addrssing the vista problems
20:21 <FauxFaux> You'd have thought that, with the whole needing to be portable thing, they'd have sacrificed anyone who wrote non-64-bit-safe code by now.
20:23 <FauxFaux> I also find it amusing that the version that's in Debian Stable AMD64 isn't actually high enough to request 64-bit apps from the server in the broken way, such that it doesn't work with the majority of the projects, which is just as lulz, but not actually boinc's fault (for once). :p
20:24 <Tank_Master> they didnt have the capibility to request 32bit apps for the 64bit client... sad, I know
20:24 <FauxFaux> The fact that the projects can't provide 64-bit builds is pretty sad, too. How long has /all new hardware/ been x64? :(
20:25 * FauxFaux orders another 4gb of ram, just to spite people.
20:25 <Tank_Master> well, given that my amd 1.15GHz is 64bit....
20:25 <Tank_Master> bout the same time the P4s came out, if not a touch earlyer
20:26 <Tank_Master> but they say that 64bit wont give them additional speed...
20:26 <Tank_Master> I think they are just to lazy
20:27 * Tank_Master looks around the room and notes yoy isnt here....
20:27 <FauxFaux> That, and, odds on, they have /epically terrible/ code.
20:27 <Tank_Master> :)
20:29 <FauxFaux> The next Windows release is just going to drop support for x32 everything, hence solving this for a while. *repeats in head* *repeats in head*
20:30 <Tank_Master> hehe
20:30 <Tank_Master> yeah, server 2008 should be the last 32bit build from what I hear
20:31 <FauxFaux> Yeah, they've dropped support wrt. sql server etc.
20:56 <PovAddict> FauxFaux: what do you mean "nobody bothered to make the client actually work on vista"?
20:56 <PovAddict> it's the ONLY thing they have been doing with the client lately
20:56 <Tank_Master> sad to say, but they arent doing to well in that area
20:57 <PovAddict> what on earth are you doing with those pre-alpha versions anyway
20:57 <Tank_Master> @#$!ing around
21:14 <FauxFaux> $RCS head is the place to be, man.
21:15 <Tank_Master> ?
21:15 <PovAddict> sure... just don't complain when things fail
21:18 <PovAddict> and boinc does support 64-bit, they just have no need to make 64-bit builds of internal testing 6.x versions that users shouldn't be getting
21:20 <Tank_Master> then y put it where people can grab it?
21:20 <PovAddict> I dunno
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22:21 <MTughan> Hehe... BOINC Manager's starting to freak a bit now. I have 6 E@H WUs due on Dec. 13. They're 35h each.
22:22 <Tank_Master> :)
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22:25 <MTughan> Where do you see that 6.1.2 is out?
22:25 <PovAddict> it's not
22:26 <MTughan> Well, not stable anyway.
22:26 <PovAddict> the installer is available on /dl/ but it's not really "out"
22:26 <MTughan> Yeah. Alpha?
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22:32 <Tank_Master> its out
22:32 <Tank_Master> but not out out
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22:39 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin
22:39 <Tank_Master> mw!
22:40 <mweltin> hey boys
22:40 <mweltin> hwo goes it?
22:40 <mweltin> did I miss anything?
22:40 <mweltin> hahaha
22:41 <mweltin> do you guys know the pink panther movies?
22:41 <MTughan> I know one.
22:42 <mweltin> the very first one was called "A shot in the dark" it's really the best of them all.
22:42 <MTughan> Okay, I know two then.
22:42 <mweltin> I only mention it because I'm watching it now
22:42 <MTughan> Hehe...
22:42 <BadBarbarian> evening all
22:43 <MTughan> 'lo BB
22:43 <mweltin> can't imagine they were big in Canada
22:43 <MTughan> What, Peter Sellers?
22:44 <mweltin> pink panther movies
22:44 <mweltin> Peter Sellers is great
22:44 <MTughan> I wouldn't know... We've got a Shot in the Dark and Pink Panther Strikes Again.
22:45 <mweltin> I have an old movie called "the Party" with him, and of course "Dr. Strangelove"
22:45 <mweltin> now that was a moive
22:45 <mweltin> I sitll love watching that.
22:45 <MTughan> I have both... Strangelove is awesome.
22:45 <Tank_Master> thats a great mod for UT
22:45 <MTughan> Where he plays three parts... :P
22:46 <mweltin> yeah
22:46 <mweltin> george c scott rules in that movie
22:46 <MTughan> And we have the Party too. That was interesting too... "Birdie num nums!"
22:46 <MTughan> Ever seen him in Patton?
22:47 <mweltin> yeah, he makes a better Patton than Patton. Patton has a Mike Tyson voice, and is real short.
22:47 <mweltin> plus he was a little nuts
22:47 <MTughan> War will do that.
22:48 <mweltin> so I have heard, I managed to avoid it myself.
22:50 * Tank_Master avoids watching TV sports alltogether
22:50 <BadBarbarian> "Dr. Strangelove" was the best with slim pickins WAAHOO
22:50 <MTughan> Hehe...
22:51 <mweltin> I love the line "There will be no fighting in the war room!"
22:51 <BadBarbarian> lol
22:51 <mweltin> come to think of it there are tons of classic lines from that movie
22:51 <BadBarbarian> true
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23:06 <MTughan> I'm off to do some reading.
23:07 <Tank_Master> gn
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23:11 <PovAddict> 199,722.12 total credits
23:11 <PovAddict> SO CLOSE
23:12 <Tank_Master> ?
23:12 <PovAddict> to 200k
23:12 <Tank_Master> for which project?
23:12 <Tank_Master> hehe
23:12 <PovAddict> all projects together...
23:12 <Tank_Master> not to bad for a small fry ;)
23:12 <wdsmia> 135,196
23:13 <mweltin> not bad at all
23:13 <wdsmia> this week :P
23:15 <PovAddict> we could say I already reached 200k
23:15 <PovAddict> I have 700+
23:15 <PovAddict> damn
23:15 <PovAddict> I have 700+ pendings on simap
23:15 <Tank_Master> there ya go
23:17 <Tank_Master> man, theres a lot of projects now
23:18 <PovAddict> "so many projects, so few computers"
23:18 <Tank_Master> anywho, ill bbl
23:18 <Tank_Master> I hear ya Pov, and I even have 50 comps....
23:18 <PovAddict> lol
23:18 <mweltin> LOL
23:18 <PovAddict> ok enough SIMAP
23:18 <Tank_Master> there mmore projects now than I have comps
23:18 <BadBarbarian> evening all
23:18 <Tank_Master> hiya BB
23:18 <Tank_Master> ill bbl
23:18 <BadBarbarian> hey tank
23:18 <Tank_Master> watcing the boob toob
23:18 <PovAddict> I'll switch to Enigma@Home
23:19 <Tank_Master> cool ;)
23:19 <Tank_Master> oh, we missed out on the winter race by 3h
23:19 <PovAddict> simap.nnw = true; enigma.nnw = false;
23:19 <Tank_Master> finally got the founder changed, but they didnt let us know...
23:20 <Tank_Master> grr
23:20 <PovAddict> my mom wants me to turn comp off @ night
23:21 <mweltin> What?!!?
23:21 <mweltin> what is her number ? I'll give her a call.
23:21 <PovAddict> why should I have to do that because of the gov. stupid decisions?
23:22 <PovAddict> if the gov decides to increase electricity price instead of getting new power sources, it's not my fault
23:22 <freelarry> does she shut off all lights at night?
23:22 <mweltin> normally electricity is cheaper at night
23:23 <PovAddict> electricity price changes depending on the hour there?! how the hell do they measure that?
23:23 <mweltin> at least in the USA prime rates are at prime hours.
23:23 * freelarry wonders what she would think of his electic bill - smallest over last few months has been 156 usd
23:24 <PovAddict> how do they know that? the.. thing that measures your electricity usage would need to have a clock and keep the history
23:24 <mweltin> beats me, but if you can squeeze penny out of a consumer, and American will figure out how.
23:24 <freelarry> intellegent meters
23:24 <freelarry> they send info back thru the power lines to collection points for upload of usage to mainframe
23:24 <PovAddict> omg
23:24 <PovAddict> meters here just count kWh's and somebody comes check them every month, comparing the total meter says with the total measured the previous month
23:25 <freelarry> they changed mine over about 3 yrs ago
23:26 <freelarry> billing hasn't changed to reflect peak/nonpeak but a few more lines were added for other things
23:26 <PovAddict> mweltin said: "if you can squeeze penny out of a consumer, an American will figure out how."
23:26 <freelarry> and then try to tell you they didn't ;)
23:26 <PovAddict> well, if you use technical measures to squeeze pennies out of customers, an American customer will figure out how to work around it
23:27 <PovAddict> heck, I read that remote controls to open garage doors nowadays use crypto key exchange
23:27 <PovAddict> and car thieves have a way around that...
23:27 <freelarry> that must be why they took over 7 yrs figureing out how to secure data transmissions
23:28 <PovAddict> little devices that you can hide near the house and bruteforce the crypto keys 24/7
23:28 <freelarry> yup they have to be around to capture the signals
23:28 <mweltin> security is a myth
23:28 <mweltin> if you changed the key every hour you would be safe
23:28 <freelarry> thats why the keys change after every use it seems on some openers
23:29 <PovAddict> I bet the security on the remote control we have for our garage sends a 4-digit code, just to avoid opening somebody else's door
23:29 <mweltin> trouble is I don't or will ever have enough in my garage to be worth stealing, hence on auto door opener for me.
23:29 <PovAddict> nobody would bother making an electronic device to bruteforce keys
23:29 <freelarry> my old one was manual punch out for code - new one is electronic per device
23:30 <mweltin> someone would, just to see if they could.
23:30 <freelarry> and they have
23:30 <PovAddict> not here I mean
23:30 <freelarry> much like cellphone hyjacking
23:30 <mweltin> whats in your garage?
23:30 <freelarry> you mean the garbage
23:30 <PovAddict> doesn't matter... thieves here aren't as smart I mean
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23:31 <freelarry> PovAddict you get my side?
23:32 <mweltin> hey zombie67
23:32 <zombie67> mi!
23:32 <zombie67> hi!
23:32 <zombie67> the race starts today. I'll be back at tsp in 25 days
23:32 <PovAddict> what race?
23:33 <zombie67> christmas race at wcg
23:33 <mweltin> nice
23:33 * freelarry wonders if anyone wants a 1988 version of hopefully full turbopascal
23:33 <mweltin> by then I should have the new app
23:33 <zombie67> feeling any better?
23:33 <mweltin> freelarry my dad might
23:33 <mweltin> a little thanks for asking
23:34 <mweltin> I doubt I'll be diving this weekend but I'm getting better.
23:34 <freelarry> got it zipped here you want me to try and send mweltin?
23:34 <mweltin> no
23:34 <zombie67> I would hate to cough up a phlem ball while under water!
23:34 <PovAddict> WCG credits seem quite "constant"
23:34 <freelarry> lol thats why i asked
23:34 <PovAddict> zombie67: EWWW
23:34 <mweltin> my internet connection is to slow
23:34 <zombie67> constant for who?
23:35 <mweltin> I'll ask my dad if he wants it first.
23:35 <PovAddict> I expected a peak for the race, even some days before
23:35 <freelarry> ohh big file 640K
23:35 <mweltin> I'm more worried about my ears diving.
23:35 <zombie67> yeah, with a quorum of 2 or 3, you really needed to start priming the pump at least several days before
23:36 <zombie67> most people participating in the race are already crunching for WCG
23:36 * freelarry hated the feeling in ears when eustationtubes plugged
23:36 <zombie67> breathing under water would be my first concern....
23:36 <mweltin> thats not bad
23:36 <mweltin> I take a tank with me
23:37 <zombie67> hard to breath with some colds, especially head colds.
23:37 <freelarry> only did free dive - or snorkeling - ears never were much good for pressure changes >1/2#
23:37 <zombie67> pov: look here: http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_wcg_project_new_credits.gif
23:38 <zombie67> it has been trending up in the past week or so
23:38 <mweltin> I just constantly clear my ears as I decend.
23:38 <mweltin> freelarry 640k isn't too bad in size
23:39 <PovAddict> mweltin: more wouldn't fit on the 5 1/4" floppy
23:39 <freelarry> well it did come off a 1.2 floppy
23:39 <zombie67> in 20 min, one of my boxes finishes its last WU, then a mobo and processor PD -> C2Q swap!
23:40 <freelarry> and i compressed into a zipped
23:40 <mweltin> you can send it to my gamil account
23:40 <mweltin> same user name as here.
23:40 <freelarry> just did for pov earlier
23:41 <mweltin> if you dont mind
23:41 <PovAddict> I didnt get anything
23:41 <freelarry> dang must have used the wrong email
23:41 <freelarry> gmail.com?
23:41 <PovAddict> yeah
23:41 <PovAddict> wait
23:41 <mweltin> yes
23:41 <PovAddict> gmail doesn't allow zips with executables inside
23:41 <freelarry> ohh thats why then
23:41 <mweltin> freaks
23:42 <PovAddict> "security"
23:42 <mweltin> try at cs.pdx.edu
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23:43 <efc> Hmm, i'm getting a lot of mail bounces that I didn't send.. what scam is that?
23:44 <mweltin> from the boinc project list?
23:44 <mweltin> I got that yesterday.
23:44 <PovAddict> I got over 50
23:45 <PovAddict> if you're on a mailing list, it's because the bounces went to the mailing list, and the list repeated it to all users
23:45 <freelarry> message text rejected by gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com:
23:45 <freelarry> 552 5.7.0 Illegal Attachment g21si14709885rvb
23:45 <freelarry> was what i just got from the one to you pov
23:45 <freelarry> mweltin jsut tried you
23:46 <mweltin> thanks
23:46 <efc> it seems to be random stuff from russia
23:47 <efc> maybe somebody is using me as a fake return address
23:47 <PovAddict> yeah
23:49 <PovAddict> sleep ->
23:49 <mweltin> my GF was bragging about the number of hits here blog got, so I set up webalizer last night.
23:49 <mweltin> I was shocked to see the results
23:49 <mweltin> night PovAddict
23:49 <freelarry> nn PovAddict
23:50 <zombie67> gn
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