IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2007-11-30

00:13 <Soul_keeper> hey

00:14 <Soul_keeper> if i have a postage stamp that says  FIRST CLASS on it, but doesn't have a $ amount, then what am i supposed to assume ?

00:15 <Soul_keeper> will it work even tho postage has gone up recently ?

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01:18 <freelarry> Soul_keeper what else is on it picture? or any other printing - even on edges

01:18 <Soul_keeper> says 2006

01:18 <Soul_keeper> lady liberty and an american flag

01:19 <freelarry> then it will require a 2 cent stamp along with it or will be returned

01:19 <freelarry> only counts currently as a 39cent stamp

01:20 <freelarry> 2007 or forever stamps are the 41 cent stamps

01:20 <freelarry> and yes the forever stamps will work on price increase in future

01:21 <freelarry> what they should have done with the first class stamps but commission didn't get the authority to do so

01:33 <Soul_keeper> thanks

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02:47 <freelarry> humm found an old prog called snoopII

02:48 <freelarry> ineractive disassembler for 80x86 family

02:48 <freelarry> and appears the disk still good

02:52 <freelarry> lol very early version as this one operates from dos

02:53 <freelarry> and see it has migrated to a windows type gui

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02:55 <mweltin> anyone have a recomendation for an apahce log file analyzer?

02:56 <mweltin> is there even anyone in this room

02:57 <mweltin> ok

02:57 <mweltin> bye

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03:58 <CoderForLife> morning any and all

03:59 <freelarry> morn CoderForLife

03:59 <CoderForLife> hey freelarry

04:00 <freelarry> found me a super computer at goodwill last night - its 20 mg hd and 16 meg memory good as well as the 5.25 floopy drive

04:00 <CoderForLife> zounds

04:01 <freelarry> seems some of the disks i have are still good

04:01 <CoderForLife> lol  nice

04:01 <freelarry> tested out snoop II an 80x86 disassembler prog for dos

04:01 <freelarry> worked

04:02 <freelarry> for 15 dollars was good deal

04:02 <CoderForLife> anyone: when mweltin shows up, tell him "Webalizer" under Linux, and "FunnelWeb" under Windows

04:02 <freelarry> will try to remember

04:03 <CoderForLife> it's four-frakin A.M.

04:03 <CoderForLife> but mercifully it's Friday

04:04 <freelarry> ohh just saw msdos 3.31 disk with quadtel utils disk

04:04 <freelarry> lol went in last night - noticed was still on sched as annual leave so turned in chit for last 2 days of it

04:05 <freelarry> so sat is mon

04:05 <freelarry> 1988 version of turbo pascal

04:06 <efc> before everything got messed up

04:07 <freelarry> 87 version quattro - the professional spreadsheet lol ;)

04:07 <CoderForLife> I have that version in my collection

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04:07 <efc> don't you know borland wishes it was 1988 again

04:07 <CoderForLife> morning efc

04:07 <freelarry> professional write version 2.1 from 89

04:08 <efc> moo

04:08 <CoderForLife> do doubt on Borland

04:08 <freelarry> yeah bet they do - they dominated then

04:08 <CoderForLife> er no*

04:08 <CoderForLife> they were THE THING

04:08 <freelarry> cant wait to try and copy to 3.5 and transfer to hd on one of my other machines

04:09 <CoderForLife> I always like the Borland development environment over MS

04:09 <CoderForLife> My Y2K work was done in Borland C

04:09 <freelarry> not sure what nutshell and leading edge are

04:09 <efc> I did some in it too, was nice enough

04:10 <efc> leading edge was a computer company.. built my 386

04:10 <efc> Triangle thingy logo

04:10 <CoderForLife> I did some programming on Leading Edge = one of my favorite 60% IBM-compatibles

04:11 <CoderForLife> ditto Wang PCs and ALRs (Advanced Logic Research)

04:11 <freelarry> lol well have both disks here

04:11 <freelarry> nope confused again

04:11 <CoderForLife> brb  b'fast is calling my name

04:11 <efc> mine was 99%, wang and alr, i remember programs having special modes for them ehhe

04:12 <freelarry> guess that 3.5 useless - got the idtape driver program on it but don't have it anymore

04:13 <freelarry> my early word processor usage was on cpt with 8"floppy drives

04:14 <freelarry> dang got rid of the idtape bu system when i went to win 98 and it wouldn't work with anything anymore

04:19 <freelarry> ohh microtoolware/toolware demo disk (circa 1985)

04:20 <freelarry> got packed up down in sandiego when i transfered and just found

04:20 <freelarry> should have ben turned in when i left

04:22 <CoderForLife> My first system was a CompuPro S-100 bus card cage, 8085 microprocessor, CP/M-80 OS, 64KB RAM, Hazeltine terminal, WordStar word processing, 2 Qume 8" floppy drives, Aztec C, Epson FX80 dot matrix printer - I thought I was in heaven

04:22 <quail>

04:22 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Trunk Monkey Commercial (Road Rage) - Hilarious !! (at

04:22 <freelarry> formtool3 can understand don

04:22 <quail>

04:22 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Trunk Monkey Compilation (at

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04:25 <freelarry> msdos 3.3 and seagate disk manager/diagnostic 3.4 (circa 88)

04:26 <CoderForLife> My first hard disk drive was the 20MB drive in my Macintosh SE

04:27 <freelarry> think that was what i installed on my first build during microcomputing repair course

04:28 <freelarry> back aroun 85/86

04:28 <freelarry> supper high capacity weren't they

04:29 <quail>

04:29 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Office Rage (at

04:30 <freelarry> humm wonder what set him off

04:31 <freelarry> ah thats what it was - guy was throwing pens/pencils at him

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05:05 <CoderForLife> off to see the w@#%zard

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05:22 <quail> All you want is a print job >>>  <<<< LMFAO

05:22 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Bad day at the office (at

05:25 <freelarry> well it might work ;)

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05:26 <quail> hey freelarry, how are you?

05:26 <quail> freelarry: don't mind me tonight I am on a funny bender

05:27 <freelarry> lol i should be sleeping

05:27 <mweltin> hey quail and freelary

05:27 <quail> hey mweltin

05:27 <mweltin> define "funny bender"

05:27 <quail> All you want is a print job >>>  <<<< LMFAO

05:27 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Bad day at the office (at

05:27 <freelarry> got appt with contractor in am and need to try and find a null modem cable rs232

05:28 <mweltin> is that a 3 day binge on N2O

05:28 <freelarry> <CoderForLife> anyone: when mweltin shows up, tell him "Webalizer" under Linux, and "FunnelWeb" under Windows

05:28 <mweltin> I have two (null modem)

05:28 <mweltin> thanks

05:29 <mweltin> I've used webalizer before, that was a whlie ago, but I'm sure i can get that running.

05:29 <mweltin> quail, youtube doesn't really work well for me, it would be a half hour before I saw that.

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05:30 <mweltin> my connection is sllllloooooooooow.

05:30 <freelarry> been playing with old equipment myself - got a 15 dollar comp from goodwill that works

05:30 <mweltin> NICE

05:30 <freelarry> not so much so 486sx

05:30 <mweltin> I use the serial cable or a ARM dev baord I work on from time to time.

05:30 <BadBarbarian> lol you guys still awake

05:31 <freelarry> still but soon to bed bb

05:31 <mweltin> it's only 11:30 here

05:31 <freelarry> was looking thru some of the old disk

05:31 <mweltin> can't sleep I'm still sick, I've been in bed for two days.

05:31 <freelarry> 23o here

05:31 <BadBarbarian> 3:30am here

05:31 <mweltin> you guy still away?!

05:31 <BadBarbarian> lol

05:31 * freelarry fingers already drifting off so guess time to say

05:31 <freelarry> &nn all

05:31 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

05:32 <mweltin> I mean awake

05:32 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

05:32 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 34F / 1C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...mostly cloudy with a 10 percent chance of rain showers after midnight. Lows around 31 on the North Rim to around 51 along the Colorado River. South winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Friday - (2 more messages)

05:32 <BadBarbarian> &more

05:32 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers in the morning...cloudy with rain in the afternoon. Highs around 41 on the North Rim to around 63 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming south 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.; Friday Night - Rain. Lows around 36 on the North Rim to around 56 along the Colorado River. South winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light...then becoming (1 more message)

05:32 <BadBarbarian> &more

05:32 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: south around 15 mph after midnight.;

05:32 <mweltin> 1 degree

05:32 <mweltin> A whole degree wow

05:32 <freelarry> &weather 98366

05:32 <mweltin> you must be so proud

05:32 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 37F / 3C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s to lower 30s. North wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the northeast after midnight.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s to lower 40s. North wind to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the 20s to (1 more message)

05:32 <freelarry> ohh 2.5

05:33 <mweltin> we had a flash flood warning today.

05:33 <freelarry> three?

05:33 <mweltin> got an inch and half of rain in one hour, and it rained all day too.

05:33 <mweltin> in fact it's still rainging now.

05:36 <mweltin> I did some research on the TSP, some really smart people have worked on this.

05:37 <mweltin> there are ways to eliminate huge portions of the search space

05:37 <mweltin> I should have done more research

05:37 <mweltin> oh well, I got what I got

05:45 <xcamel> boo

05:45 <mweltin> you are up too

05:46 <BadBarbarian> morning xcamel

05:47 <xcamel> off to work shortly

05:48 <xcamel> tgif

05:49 <mweltin> almost

05:49 <mweltin> what do you do for work?

05:51 <xcamel> my own company

05:52 <xcamel> bbl..

05:52 <mweltin> later

05:55 <mweltin> webalizer is choking on my logfile

05:55 <mweltin> Error: Skipping oversized log record

05:55 <mweltin> Warning: Truncating oversized request field

05:57 <mweltin> well not too bad over all 3491314 records (33 bad) in 234.24 seconds

05:58 <mweltin> OHMG

05:58 <mweltin> if you ever want good web stats run a boinc project

05:58 <mweltin> Total Hits 744662

06:09 <mweltin> ok I'm out

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06:36 <Priit_M> i was sexually abused :<

06:36 <Priit_M> today night

06:36 <Priit_M> cat sucked my nipple

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07:13 <hawmps> 'lo ElG..

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07:52 <PriitM> netsplit ftw =O

07:57 <hawmps> yupper

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09:08 <hawmps> &weather 12020

09:08 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 31.3F / -0.4C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Scattered snow showers this morning. Highs in the lower 40s. Southwest winds around 15 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with scattered snow showers after midnight. Cold (1 more message)

09:08 <hawmps> &more

09:08 <Romulus> hawmps: with lows around 20. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Colder with highs in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

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12:05 <BadBarbarian> morning Hawmps

12:06 <BadBarbarian> I mailed freelarrys isa netcard if i am not here someone tell him please

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12:59 <hawmps> will do...

13:00 <TM-Work> you...

13:00 <TM-Work> he has an isa card?

13:01 <TM-Work> man..

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13:13 <E-30> i am back now

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13:23 <BadBarbarian> howdy all

13:24 <E-30> hey how are you doing

13:24 <zombie67> hello

13:27 <BadBarbarian> doing well

13:27 <BadBarbarian> darn isp is acting up i am here than gone lol

13:28 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

13:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 43F / 6C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers in the morning...rain in the afternoon. Precipitation may be heavy at times. Highs around 44 on the North Rim to around 62 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph in the (2 more messages)

13:29 <BadBarbarian> &more

13:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: afternoon.; Tonight - Rain. Rain may be heavy at times. Lows around 33 on the North Rim to around 54 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph after midnight.; Saturday - Breezy. Rain showers likely. Snow level 6500 feet in the afternoon. Highs around 40 on the North Rim to around 56 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of showers 70 percent.; (1 more message)

13:29 <BadBarbarian> &more

13:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Flash Flood Watch for Coconino County in effect until 11:00 AM MST on December 01, 2007;

13:30 <hawmps> glad you sent one - I have a box of 24 of them (intel 10/100's)

13:30 <BadBarbarian> np

13:31 <E-30> cool

13:31 <BadBarbarian> i even found drivers online it says the win95 drivers work for dos

13:32 <E-30> wow

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13:37 <zombie67> ugh.  the next 24 days are going to be painful, watching me drop in all the other projects...

13:37 <Romulus> <> (at

13:38 <yoyo[RKN]> but your WCG credits will increase zombie67

13:38 <hawmps>

13:38 <Romulus> <> (at

13:38 <zombie67> yea, one green line, and 60 red lines

13:40 <zombie67> also, I was getting 25-30k/day with crunching all projects.  Looks like I will be getting 19k/day 100% wcg.

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13:43 <zombie67> looks like I am ranked 32 by daily credit among BOINC users on WCG.

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14:14 <freelarry> thanks BadBarbarian saw your message in the channels

14:16 <Tank_Master> not bad, Z

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14:17 <BadBarbarian> np larry

14:18 <freelarry> contractor just showed up and got measurements - he'll mail an estimate in a few days for flooring

14:18 <freelarry> wife still beating me over head to use her friends and just buy them the tools

14:19 <freelarry> but either way they going to have to wait till i get my check

14:27 <hawmps> anyone remember how to re-register libs in linux..

14:27 <hawmps> is it a function of ldconfig?

14:29 <freelarry> was looking in book here but i dont know enough to guess

14:42 <freelarry> ohh just tried snoop prog on this machine and it runs

14:42 <freelarry> not that i remember how to use it

14:44 <freelarry> at least under this xp pro just open dos prompt where on win3.1 had to exit to dos to run

14:47 <Tank_Master> you meen exit to get back to dos...

14:56 <BadBarbarian>

14:56 <Romulus> Title: NWS radar image loop of Base Reflectivity from Flagstaff, AZ (at

14:56 <BadBarbarian> click on that tank

14:57 <Tank_Master> Java is necessary for radar looping and is best optimized using Java version 1.4.2 or higher

14:57 <Tank_Master> gaa

14:57 <Tank_Master> they trying to kill my system?

14:59 <hawmps> damn slow

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15:00 <Tank_Master> mw!

15:00 <mweltin> hey Tank

15:00 <Tank_Master> Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

15:00 <mweltin> which one?

15:00 <Tank_Master> dumb weather page

15:00 <BadBarbarian> lol

15:01 <mweltin> f'n IE

15:01 <Tank_Master> its not IE's fault the server sucks

15:01 <Tank_Master> oh, btw mw

15:01 <BadBarbarian> its a looping it takes time to download all the images

15:01 <Tank_Master> they are talking about issuing a huricane worning for oregon for sunday

15:01 <BadBarbarian> huh

15:01 <Tank_Master> I dont got no java, so no looping

15:02 <mweltin> wow

15:02 <hawmps> winter storm/noreaster warning here sunday into monday...

15:02 <mweltin> that is serious

15:02 <mweltin> not good

15:02 <Tank_Master> I guess they figure tha last several dozzen 100+ mph storms werent hurricanes, but this on is?

15:03 <mweltin> last several dozen?  Was that this year?

15:03 <Tank_Master> its not like its a rare thing allong our coast...

15:04 <Tank_Master> we tipically got one or 2 storms a year with 75+ mph winds

15:04 <Tank_Master> last year was defently a stong one

15:04 <Tank_Master> err.. had one strong one

15:05 <BadBarbarian> portland is a little far north for a huricane they need warm water and oregan dont have warm water lol

15:05 <Tank_Master> we still get winds just a strong though

15:05 <BadBarbarian> ok

15:05 <BadBarbarian> lol

15:05 <Tank_Master> weve already had 2 storms 45mph+

15:05 <mweltin> yeah that is one thing that I don't like about OR

15:05 <Tank_Master> this fall

15:05 <mweltin> cold water

15:05 <BadBarbarian> not good

15:05 <Tank_Master> hehe

15:06 <Tank_Master> thats what a wet suit is for

15:06 <mweltin> I don't know what I'm going to do about diving.

15:06 <Tank_Master> its what, 45f year around?

15:06 <mweltin> no you need a dry stuit

15:06 <mweltin> they are like $1500 for a cheap one.

15:06 <Tank_Master> I dont remember what temp our ocean is right off

15:06 <Tank_Master> wow

15:06 <BadBarbarian> hell even in southern california you need a wet suit

15:07 <BadBarbarian> 50's

15:07 <mweltin> I did my cert dives in a two wet suits

15:07 <mweltin> and I was still cold

15:08 <Tank_Master> lol

15:08 <BadBarbarian>

15:08 <Romulus> Title: NWS - National Mosaic Enhanced Radar Image: Full Resolution (at

15:08 <BadBarbarian> scroll down to arizona

15:09 <Tank_Master> I detect a disterbance in the weather

15:09 <BadBarbarian> lol you said it

15:10 <BadBarbarian> la is getting hammered

15:11 <Tank_Master> people in LA ALWAYS get hammered

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15:15 <hawmps> no more fire worries...

15:16 <Tank_Master> hope so :)

15:16 <Tank_Master> some are saying more ppl were displaced from the fires than katrena

15:16 <hawmps> not hardly..

15:17 <mweltin> people are allowed to burn their garbage here.

15:18 <mweltin> no chance of fire danger

15:19 <Tank_Master> hehe

15:19 <Tank_Master> you can here to, just not in city limits

15:19 <mweltin> although the local pago store burned down a few days ago.

15:19 <Tank_Master> ouch

15:20 <mweltin> there are only two real supermarkets here so small pack stores have a lot of stuff you wouldn't normally see

15:20 * freelarry just listened to news weather - wants to hide head under furnace - they used the S word for tomorrow afternoon when i have to commute

15:21 <mweltin> anyway after two days the stench was hard to stand

15:21 <Tank_Master> lol

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15:21 <mweltin> the insurance agency said they couldnt' clean it up until they get here.

15:21 <Tank_Master> and you can exactly go far to get away either...

15:21 <zombie67>

15:21 <Romulus> <> (at

15:21 <freelarry> yeah sounds like insurance

15:22 <mweltin> they called the EPA and they told the insurance company that that was ont going to happen.

15:23 <zombie67> I was worried about that...shouldn't have stopped going full boar until I got my 100k

15:23 <Tank_Master> lol

15:23 <Tank_Master> yeah

15:24 <freelarry> humm anyone want to try out an old dos based 80x86 disassembler?

15:24 <freelarry> <300K total size

15:25 <mweltin> I don't get it, what didn't they expect (nqueens)

15:26 <Tank_Master> the outcome?

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15:28 <mweltin> I like that extra little css box with the server stats

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15:30 <zombie67> TM, any luck joining the race?

15:30 <Tank_Master> havent fond the founder yet and havent gooten any replys about still adding the team anyway

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15:32 <zombie67> did you send email to support?

15:33 <zombie67> pov:  the mark all read buttons are now gone from the BOINC forums too.  what's up?

15:33 <Tank_Master> yes

15:33 <Tank_Master> e-mail was sent, noth back yet

15:35 <mweltin> I ran webalizer last night

15:35 <zombie67> I sent mine over the holiday break, and they responded on Monday.

15:35 <zombie67> webalizer?

15:35 <mweltin> I was more than a little shocked

15:35 <Tank_Master> I sent mine tureday

15:35 <mweltin> web log analyzer

15:36 <Tank_Master> I was shocked to that they havent responded yet

15:36 <Tank_Master> ;)

15:36 <mweltin> my GF said her blog got more hits then my project

15:36 <zombie67> ;)  I figured out that much

15:36 <Tank_Master> LOL

15:36 <mweltin> she had something like 287 page vliews

15:37 <mweltin>

15:37 <Romulus> Title: Usage Statistics for bob - Last 12 Months (at

15:38 <mweltin> the index page has almost 20k hits

15:39 <zombie67> getting lunch.  bbl

15:39 * Tank_Master is eating lunch

15:40 <BadBarbarian> lol had lunch

15:40 <Tank_Master> well, arent you just trying to get ahead ;)

15:45 <BadBarbarian> i am an hour earlyer now

15:45 <Tank_Master> I know

15:45 <mweltin> did you move?

15:46 <Tank_Master> hehe

15:46 <BadBarbarian> no daylight savings time in arizona

15:46 <Tank_Master> Az dosent change the time

15:46 <Tank_Master> they think it makes them special ;)

15:46 <mweltin> we don't either

15:46 <BadBarbarian> good for you

15:46 <Tank_Master> well, oh crap, that would make me the only one chane now...

15:47 <Tank_Master> I guess Im the special one now

15:47 <BadBarbarian> i had a guy in the store that told me that the time change was good for plants lol

15:48 <Tank_Master> o.O?

15:48 <Tank_Master> hoe does that work?

15:48 <BadBarbarian> i didnt know plants could tell time

15:48 <mweltin> he is crazy

15:48 <Tank_Master> lol

15:48 <BadBarbarian> thats what i said to him

15:49 <BadBarbarian> he left

15:49 <Tank_Master> hehe

15:51 <mweltin> does this seem odd to you?

15:51 <mweltin> my friend gets pegged with a 60 suspension of his drivers license

15:51 <mweltin> 60 day

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15:52 <Tank_Master> for what?

15:52 <mweltin> and charged with careless and neglegent driving

15:52 <mweltin> excessive speed

15:52 <Tank_Master> how excessice?

15:52 <Tank_Master> 100kph over?

15:53 <mweltin> so after about 2k in legal fees get gets it plead down to 2 points and $321 fine

15:53 <mweltin> I'm not sure, but honestly that would not surprise me at all

15:53 <Tank_Master> LOL

15:53 <mweltin> so here is the ironic part

15:53 <mweltin> 20 hours of community service, guess what they have him doing.

15:54 <mweltin> Meals on Wheels

15:54 <Tank_Master> you... whate... theres a meals on wheels there?

15:54 <Tank_Master> thats just... so wrong

15:55 <mweltin> he lives in VT

15:55 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

15:55 <Tank_Master> thats better

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16:08 <zombie67> back

16:11 <Tank_Master> wb

16:17 <zombie67> tm:  check this out:

16:17 <Romulus> <$> (at

16:17 <zombie67> get the spreadsheet and open it.

16:19 <Tank_Master> the wcg one?

16:21 <zombie67> there is only one, yeah

16:21 <Tank_Master> what am I looking at here?

16:22 <PriitM> ooh, 13h WUs

16:22 <PriitM> s@h

16:22 <zombie67> here is the thing:  all machines are granted roughly what they requested

16:22 <zombie67> except for the Xp 8-ways

16:23 <zombie67> for those, only FAAH even came close

16:23 <zombie67> At first I* thought it as a particular machine problem.  That is why I looked at a second one to make sure

16:24 <Tank_Master> that might be because the windows run better, but get validated againce the linux?

16:24 <zombie67> no, then you would see the same thing with the C2Q

16:24 <Tank_Master> ahh

16:25 <zombie67> And it is not a dual xeon problem, because the mac is okay

16:26 <zombie67> I think the non-FAAH XP apps must have some memory bus thrashing going on, or something

16:27 <Tank_Master> could be

16:28 <zombie67> for some reason, it is taking that combination (8-way + XP) longer, and there by claiming more, than other machines.

16:28 <zombie67> In any case, since I have three of those boxes, I have turned off all projects except FAAH

16:28 <Tank_Master> :)

16:29 <zombie67> that should give me a 10% bump.

16:29 <zombie67> brb

16:29 <Tank_Master> hf

16:33 <zombie67> bcak

16:33 <Tank_Master> wb

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16:39 <MTughan> mweltin: Ah, you're here. Got my Mac building environment back up.

16:40 <mweltin> I'm here

16:40 <mweltin> congrads on your mac building env

16:40 <MTughan> I mean for TSP.

16:41 <mweltin> even better

16:41 <Tank_Master> lol

16:41 <MTughan> I got partial builds of BOINC for 64-bit from zombie67, but I still don't have an x86_64 or a PPC64 app for OS X.

16:44 <MTughan> I also committed a slight change to tspParser.cpp. I turned on warnings just to see what I'd get, and got two things: a wrong output identifier (int instead of unsigned long) and an unused variable.

16:44 <mweltin> ahh I wondered what that was, I ran an svn update

16:45 <mweltin> but I didn't remember changing the tspParser.cpp

16:45 <MTughan> Yeah, that was me. :P

16:46 <Tank_Master> illbbl

16:46 <MTughan> hf

16:46 <mweltin> I'm finally getting started on the ga again

16:46 <MTughan> ga?

16:46 <mweltin> all the pieces are there, but need to be rearranged.

16:47 <mweltin> genetic algorithm

16:47 <MTughan> Ah...

16:47 <MTughan> That's the GA folder in TSP, right?

16:47 <mweltin> yup

16:47 <MTughan> Should I get started on modifying my Makefile to include that, or wait a bit?

16:48 <mweltin> wait

16:48 <MTughan> K.

16:48 <mweltin> it's not close to ready

16:50 <mweltin> crunh3r wants to offer optimized apps on his site

16:51 <MTughan> I need to take a look at some more of the optimizations that GCC can offer. PovAddict says that SSEx won't help.

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16:52 <mweltin> Pov knows his stuff

16:52 <MTughan> Because SSE is meant to help with FP.

16:52 <mweltin> crunch3rs optimizations are only from some cpu specific compiler flags.

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17:17 <xcamel> Daredevil Evel Knievel dead at 69

17:18 <xcamel>

17:18 <Romulus> <> (at

17:20 <mweltin> when I was in grade school he was the coolest thing on the face of the earth.

17:20 <mweltin> I even had one of those Evel Knievel stunt cycle toys with the wind up crank and ramp.

17:23 <MTughan> Wow... Even though BOINC was out for only a few days, my RAC on TSP has already dropped 20%.

17:23 <MTughan> &math calc 43.81 / 52.29

17:23 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.837827500478

17:23 <MTughan> Okay, 16.2%.

17:24 <mweltin> is boinc your cluster?

17:24 <MTughan> My cluster?

17:24 <mweltin> what was BOINC, you clients ?

17:24 <mweltin> I guess what was down a few days?

17:24 <MTughan> Not sure what you're talking about... My Mac was down.

17:25 <MTughan> Right now, that's my only machine running BOINC.

17:25 <mweltin> Even though BOINC was out for only a few days.... you mean your mac running boinc?

17:25 <MTughan> Yeah.

17:26 * CoderForLife slinks in

17:26 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

17:26 <CoderForLife> oh... Hi!

17:26 <MTughan> Damn, I forgot my slap script was gone... :(

17:26 <mweltin> hey CFL I installed webalizer

17:26 <CoderForLife> oh good - glad you got my message =)

17:26 <mweltin> no, slap script is gone?

17:27 <MTughan> It's on my old hard drive, remember?

17:27 <zombie67> EK was a regular at a local bikini bar.  lots of pictures of him, lots of signatures

17:27 <mweltin> I didn't know where it was

17:27 <MTughan> Anything that I'm missing is on my old hard drive.

17:27 <MTughan> If that helps.

17:37 <zombie67> So, SIMAP wasn't able to finish the nov work in nov.

17:38 <MTughan> Even though I got 17 SIMAP WUs pushed to my computer...

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17:45 <mweltin> POV!!!

17:45 <xcamel> wooo... 6" snow my monday (maybe more)

17:47 <xcamel> big coastal storm coming from BB's home turf...

17:47 <CoderForLife> I'll probably wash away on Sunday

17:48 <CoderForLife> I plan to get back home tomorrow before the rain/sleet starts in the evening

17:48 <PriitM> some dick offered me bunch of files again

17:49 <PriitM> * FileSender has offered Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso (-1 bytes)

17:49 <PriitM> * FileSender has offered Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso (-1 bytes)

17:49 <PovAddict> -1 bytes?

17:49 <PovAddict> that's trying to exploit some bug

17:49 <PriitM> all those within 1 minute too

17:49 <CoderForLife> downloading that erases your hard drive

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17:49 <PriitM> 10x

17:49 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

17:50 * CoderForLife waits for the Iowa weather report

17:50 <wdsmia> *lo All

17:50 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:50 <CoderForLife> hey Doug - wattuo

17:50 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

17:50 <wdsmia> weather cold... tomarrow Damn cold and ice

17:50 <xcamel> and Doug

17:50 <CoderForLife> er wattup

17:51 <wdsmia> tgif

17:51 <CoderForLife> indeed

17:51 <xcamel> indeed

17:51 <CoderForLife> lol

17:51 <xcamel> been a long week

17:51 <wdsmia> yes it has

17:51 <zombie67> pov:  simap did not finish

17:52 <xcamel> now I have to go dig out the big blower and mount it tomorrow...

17:52 <CoderForLife> I w@#%ed the last 3 weeks for the presentation I did this afternoon in the board room

17:52 <MTughan> And now I've got a convert tomorrow... It's at 9:30 or so, and I have to be there at noon. :P

17:52 <MTughan> concert*

17:52 <MTughan> I'm the light guy. ;)

17:52 <xcamel> converts are more phun...

17:52 <MTughan> lol

17:52 <CoderForLife> lol

17:53 <CoderForLife> much better than presentations on annuity order entry systems

17:54 <xcamel> anyone who sells annuities or VA's should be taken out and shot

17:55 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 25F / -4C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 30.49in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow after midnight. Low in the lower 20s. Temperature steady or slowly rising after midnight. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Freezing rain...sleet...snow and rain in the morning... then (2 more messages)

17:55 <wdsmia> &more

17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: rain...freezing rain and sleet in the afternoon. Little or no snow and sleet accumulation. Ice accumulation of one quarter to one half of an inch. High in the upper 30s. Southeast wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Saturday Night - Cloudy. Rain likely in the evening...then a chance of rain and areas of drizzle after midnight. Breezy. Not as cool. (1 more message)

17:55 <wdsmia> &more

17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: Low in the mid 30s. South wind 20 to 25 mph shifting to the west 15 to 20 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Ice Storm Warning for Warren County in effect until 3:00 PM CST on December 01, 2007;

17:55 <MTughan> Ouch.

17:56 <CoderForLife> ugh

17:56 <xcamel> nasty..

17:56 <CoderForLife> but I'll take Doug's weather over Jay's solution =)

17:57 <xcamel> btw:

17:57 <zombie67> w00t!

17:57 <xcamel> Daredevil Evel Knievel dead at 69

17:57 <zombie67> new mobo just arrived!

17:57 <CoderForLife> I saw that

17:57 <CoderForLife> couldn't cheat death forever...

17:57 <rubiks120> mweltin, hi

17:57 <zombie67> EK was a regular at a local bikini bar.  lots of pictures of him, lots of signatures

17:57 <xcamel> does he get burried, or recycled?

17:58 <zombie67> shot on a rocket into the GC

17:58 <MTughan> lol

17:58 <mweltin> PovAddict, you made a good point about using the same random number seed for different workunits.

17:58 <CoderForLife> lots of spare parts

17:58 <mweltin> how does that work with checkpointing?

17:58 <CoderForLife> bbiab

17:59 <PovAddict> mweltin: you DON'T use rand(), include a random number generator with your app that allows getting its full state

17:59 <mweltin> I can't use the same seed when I return from a checkpoint.

17:59 <mweltin> ok

17:59 <mweltin> sweet I already do that.

17:59 <PovAddict> then you can save the rng state on the checkpoint

18:00 <mweltin> ok I have to check my mail

18:00 <mweltin> I'll bbl

18:00 <mweltin> take care all

18:00 <mweltin> bye

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18:04 <freelarry> ahh gots to stop running up and down stairs

18:05 <MTughan> Getting winded?

18:05 <freelarry> legs threating to run off without me

18:05 <MTughan> lol

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18:09 <zombie67> bbl

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18:16 <freelarry> PovAddict you still around?

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18:18 * CoderForLife , the annuity demon, has returned

18:18 <MTughan> lol

18:19 <CoderForLife> I don't sell them, I just help manufacture them

18:19 <freelarry> really CoderForLife - cashed out my universal life but still have the annuity policy

18:20 <CoderForLife> they help fund my paycheck

18:20 <MTughan> brb

18:20 <freelarry> personnel if tax bite wasn't so bad i would have cashed out the annuity

18:21 <CoderForLife> we'll get about $1.2B in revenue this year from annuity sales

18:21 <freelarry> more costs on it :(

18:21 <freelarry> altho 3500+for cashout deferal of fees on life insurance bad enough

18:22 <freelarry> over 16yrs with that policy

18:23 <freelarry> bil talking about rolling his annuity from same company over to one at edward jones

18:24 <freelarry> after 2 yrs due to fees

18:24 <xcamel> just big fee generating machines...

18:24 <freelarry> thats what i've noticed

18:25 <freelarry> tsp not so bad

18:25 <freelarry> not the traveling salesman

18:25 <xcamel> brokers can really live large selling those products

18:25 <freelarry> he needs the tax break tho

18:26 <MTughan> CoderForLife: Where do you w%$#?

18:28 <freelarry> how do you make something available to internet on xppro shared folder?

18:28 <MTughan> You'll need an unfiltered Internet connection, or a router that's configure to forward the ports you want to your computer.

18:29 <freelarry> ugg

18:29 <MTughan> After that, you should just be able to do normal sharing.

18:29 <freelarry> router set up for nix machine but files on win machine

18:29 <CoderForLife> MTughan:

18:29 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to Ohio National Financial Services (at

18:30 <MTughan> Ah...

18:30 <freelarry> bother w/*-s for something similar but in iowa

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18:35 <MTughan> 'lo e

18:35 <xcamel> 'lo e

18:35 <PovAddict> from a shared folder you *cant* make it available to outside 'net

18:36 <PovAddict> only LAN

18:36 <MTughan> How can XP tell the difference between Internet and LAN though?

18:36 <freelarry> ugg PovAddict can you ssh from nix to win share both on same lan

18:36 <PovAddict> windows has no ssh

18:36 <MTughan> telnet.

18:37 <MTughan> Damn, not that either...

18:37 <PovAddict> disabled by default, and Windows has few useful things available from cmd line anyway

18:37 <MTughan> Well, I'm sure you could get ssh for Windows.

18:37 <freelarry> ahve putty on this machine too pov

18:37 <MTughan> That's a client.

18:37 <freelarry> gnome shows but know you dont use gui

18:38 <PovAddict> I have no idea how to access a windows share from linux

18:38 <MTughan> Samba.

18:38 <PovAddict> well, I have no idea how to use samba

18:38 <MTughan> smb://ip

18:38 <PovAddict> typed where?

18:39 <MTughan> I like Konqueror.

18:39 <MTughan> Nautilus should work too though.

18:39 <PovAddict> konqueror from ssh won't work :)

18:39 <MTughan> Well, curl might be able to pick it up.

18:39 <MTughan> I've never tried that myself, but oughta work.

18:42 <Tank_Master> ib

18:42 <MTughan> wb

18:42 <MTughan> PovAddict: You could always install Apache on Windows too...

18:43 <PovAddict> I know

18:43 <PovAddict> but I have no idea what the hell larry is doing

18:44 <Tank_Master> something off in his own little world

18:44 <MTughan> lol

18:46 <MTughan> bbl

18:47 <Tank_Master> hf

18:50 <xcamel> checking different weather models... this one could be a wopper... or not.

18:52 <Tank_Master> which one where?

18:52 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

18:52 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 40.8F / 4.9C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Snow level 500 feet. Lows around 30. Light wind...except east 10 to 15 mph near The Gorge.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow in (1 more message)

18:52 <Tank_Master> &more

18:52 <Romulus> Tank_Master: the morning...then rain...mixed with or as snow...likely in the afternoon. Minor accumulations possible...with up to 1 inch on higher hills. Highs 35 to 40. East wind 10 mph... becoming south wind 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Rain. Lows around 35. South wind 10 to 20 mph.;

18:52 <wdsmia> yuk...

18:52 <Romulus> <> (at

18:54 <CoderForLife> looks like they drew a bullseye over Iowa

18:54 <wdsmia> looks that way :-(

18:54 <Tank_Master> they are saying 2-4" of snow tomorrow and hurricane force winds on sunday for here

18:54 <Tank_Master> and 4" of ran as well sunday

18:54 <CoderForLife> you don't look very good in pink, Doug

18:55 <Tank_Master> lol

18:55 * wdsmia sends it ESE to CoderForLife

18:56 * CoderForLife brandishes his flamethrower

18:57 <Tank_Master> that to melt the ice n snow?

18:58 <CoderForLife> melts anything that's pink

18:58 <xcamel> Doug's storm is the kicker for our coastal blast

18:58 <xcamel> will all the moisture from the SW

18:58 <wdsmia> it could get messy

18:58 <CoderForLife> the first thing we do around here is assign blame

18:59 <Tank_Master> lol

18:59 <CoderForLife> thanks, Doug =)

18:59 <xcamel> and point fingers

18:59 <CoderForLife> omg

18:59 <Romulus> <> (at

19:00 <CoderForLife> I guess I missed that in the news

19:00 <Tank_Master> now THAT sucks

19:01 <CoderForLife> very very ugly

19:01 <Tank_Master> to bad they werent using vista's bitlocker dive encription

19:02 <PovAddict> too bad they weren't using ANY encryption

19:02 <PovAddict> file-level encryption would do for that

19:02 <xcamel> that'll leave a mark..

19:02 <Tank_Master> hehe

19:02 <Tank_Master> and a bad taste in the mouth

19:02 <CoderForLife> and a limp

19:03 <xcamel> &weather 12074

19:03 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 30.0F / -1.1C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with isolated snow showers this evening... then mostly cloudy with scattered snow showers after midnight. Cold with lows in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Much (1 more message)

19:03 <xcamel> &more

19:03 <Romulus> xcamel: colder with highs in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Colder with lows around 10 above. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Winter Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on December 03, 2007;

19:03 <xcamel> yummy

19:03 <CoderForLife> or not

19:12 <xcamel> guess I'll have to gas up the honda snowblower then...

19:12 <Tank_Master> :P

19:13 <Tank_Master> fun times

19:13 <xcamel> and dig out the heavy winter gloves

19:13 <xcamel> and hats

19:13 <xcamel> and mukluks

19:13 <Tank_Master> and waa?

19:14 <xcamel> boots

19:14 <wdsmia> rofl

19:16 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:19 <xcamel> about time...

19:36 <xcamel> tap tap tap...

19:37 <freelarry> hates to think about weather as tv keeps using S word for tomorrow

19:44 * CoderForLife gets off the phone with Mom

19:45 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

19:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 40.3F / 4.6C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029.0hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 20s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. East winds 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Cloudy. A chance of showers after midnight. Evening lows in the upper 30s...then (1 more message)

19:46 <CoderForLife> &more

19:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: temperatures rising into the mid 40s after midnight. Southeast winds around 15 mph...becoming south after midnight. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

19:46 <CoderForLife> then, a Sunday soaker

19:46 <CoderForLife> brb

19:57 <xcamel> off to watch some scifi

19:57 <xcamel> laterz..

20:03 <CoderForLife> nighty-night pour moi

20:04 <CoderForLife> bonsoir

20:04 <PovAddict> _o/

20:04 <CoderForLife> et vous aussi, mon ami PovAddict

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20:19 * FauxFaux notes that nobody has bothered to make the client actually work on vista yet, goddamn, I really don't want to have to do it myself. :p

20:19 <Tank_Master> ?

20:20 <FauxFaux> "Work around Vista problems by running all components with administrative rights." <-- Epic solution.

20:20 <Tank_Master> im having no problems with the BOINC client on server 2008... ahh

20:20 <Tank_Master> yeah, thatll have to wate for 6.x

20:20 <FauxFaux> It's, like, the opposite of a solution.

20:20 <Tank_Master> 6.1.2 is out, bit only 32bit

20:21 <FauxFaux> Aaaaaaaaagh, the pain.

20:21 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:21 <Tank_Master> its addrssing the vista problems

20:21 <FauxFaux> You'd have thought that, with the whole needing to be portable thing, they'd have sacrificed anyone who wrote non-64-bit-safe code by now.

20:23 <FauxFaux> I also find it amusing that the version that's in Debian Stable AMD64 isn't actually high enough to request 64-bit apps from the server in the broken way, such that it doesn't work with the majority of the projects, which is just as lulz, but not actually boinc's fault (for once). :p

20:24 <Tank_Master> they didnt have the capibility to request 32bit apps for the 64bit client... sad, I know

20:24 <FauxFaux> The fact that the projects can't provide 64-bit builds is pretty sad, too. How long has /all new hardware/ been x64? :(

20:25 * FauxFaux orders another 4gb of ram, just to spite people.

20:25 <Tank_Master> well, given that my amd 1.15GHz is 64bit....

20:25 <Tank_Master> bout the same time the P4s came out, if not a touch earlyer

20:26 <Tank_Master> but they say that 64bit wont give them additional speed...

20:26 <Tank_Master> I think they are just to lazy

20:27 * Tank_Master looks around the room and notes yoy isnt here....

20:27 <FauxFaux> That, and, odds on, they have /epically terrible/ code.

20:27 <Tank_Master> :)

20:29 <FauxFaux> The next Windows release is just going to drop support for x32 everything, hence solving this for a while. *repeats in head* *repeats in head*

20:30 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:30 <Tank_Master> yeah, server 2008 should be the last 32bit build from what I hear

20:31 <FauxFaux> Yeah, they've dropped support wrt. sql server etc.

20:56 <PovAddict> FauxFaux: what do you mean "nobody bothered to make the client actually work on vista"?

20:56 <PovAddict> it's the ONLY thing they have been doing with the client lately

20:56 <Tank_Master> sad to say, but they arent doing to well in that area

20:57 <PovAddict> what on earth are you doing with those pre-alpha versions anyway

20:57 <Tank_Master> @#$!ing around

21:14 <FauxFaux> $RCS head is the place to be, man.

21:15 <Tank_Master> ?

21:15 <PovAddict> sure... just don't complain when things fail

21:18 <PovAddict> and boinc does support 64-bit, they just have no need to make 64-bit builds of internal testing 6.x versions that users shouldn't be getting

21:20 <Tank_Master> then y put it where people can grab it?

21:20 <PovAddict> I dunno

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22:21 <MTughan> Hehe... BOINC Manager's starting to freak a bit now. I have 6 E@H WUs due on Dec. 13. They're 35h each.

22:22 <Tank_Master> :)

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22:25 <MTughan> Where do you see that 6.1.2 is out?

22:25 <PovAddict> it's not

22:26 <MTughan> Well, not stable anyway.

22:26 <PovAddict> the installer is available on /dl/ but it's not really "out"

22:26 <MTughan> Yeah. Alpha?

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22:32 <Tank_Master> its out

22:32 <Tank_Master> but not out out

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22:39 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin

22:39 <Tank_Master> mw!

22:40 <mweltin> hey boys

22:40 <mweltin> hwo goes it?

22:40 <mweltin> did I miss anything?

22:40 <mweltin> hahaha

22:41 <mweltin> do you guys know the pink panther movies?

22:41 <MTughan> I know one.

22:42 <mweltin> the very first one was called "A shot in the dark"  it's really the best of them all.

22:42 <MTughan> Okay, I know two then.

22:42 <mweltin> I only mention it because I'm watching it now

22:42 <MTughan> Hehe...

22:42 <BadBarbarian> evening all

22:43 <MTughan> 'lo BB

22:43 <mweltin> can't imagine they were big in Canada

22:43 <MTughan> What, Peter Sellers?

22:44 <mweltin> pink panther movies

22:44 <mweltin> Peter Sellers is great

22:44 <MTughan> I wouldn't know... We've got a Shot in the Dark and Pink Panther Strikes Again.

22:45 <mweltin> I have an old movie called "the Party" with him, and of course "Dr. Strangelove"

22:45 <mweltin> now that was a moive

22:45 <mweltin> I sitll love watching that.

22:45 <MTughan> I have both... Strangelove is awesome.

22:45 <Tank_Master> thats a great mod for UT

22:45 <MTughan> Where he plays three parts... :P

22:46 <mweltin> yeah

22:46 <mweltin> george c scott rules in that movie

22:46 <MTughan> And we have the Party too. That was interesting too... "Birdie num nums!"

22:46 <MTughan> Ever seen him in Patton?

22:47 <mweltin> yeah, he makes a better Patton than Patton.  Patton has a Mike Tyson voice, and is real short.

22:47 <mweltin> plus he was a little nuts

22:47 <MTughan> War will do that.

22:48 <mweltin> so I have heard, I managed to avoid it myself.

22:50 * Tank_Master avoids watching TV sports alltogether

22:50 <BadBarbarian> "Dr. Strangelove" was the best with slim pickins WAAHOO

22:50 <MTughan> Hehe...

22:51 <mweltin> I love the line "There will be no fighting in the war room!"

22:51 <BadBarbarian> lol

22:51 <mweltin> come to think of it there are tons of classic lines from that movie

22:51 <BadBarbarian> true

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23:06 <MTughan> I'm off to do some reading.

23:07 <Tank_Master> gn

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23:11 <PovAddict> 199,722.12 total credits

23:11 <PovAddict> SO CLOSE

23:12 <Tank_Master> ?

23:12 <PovAddict> to 200k

23:12 <Tank_Master> for which project?

23:12 <Tank_Master> hehe

23:12 <PovAddict> all projects together...

23:12 <Tank_Master> not to bad for a small fry ;)

23:12 <wdsmia> 135,196

23:13 <mweltin> not bad at all

23:13 <wdsmia> this week :P

23:13 <PovAddict>

23:13 <Romulus> <> (at

23:15 <PovAddict> we could say I already reached 200k

23:15 <PovAddict> I have 700+

23:15 <PovAddict> damn

23:15 <PovAddict> I have 700+ pendings on simap

23:15 <Tank_Master> there ya go

23:17 <Tank_Master>

23:17 <Romulus> <> (at

23:17 <Tank_Master> man, theres a lot of projects now

23:18 <PovAddict> "so many projects, so few computers"

23:18 <Tank_Master> anywho, ill bbl

23:18 <Tank_Master> I hear ya Pov, and I even have 50 comps....

23:18 <PovAddict> lol

23:18 <mweltin> LOL

23:18 <PovAddict> ok enough SIMAP

23:18 <Tank_Master> there mmore projects now than I have comps

23:18 <BadBarbarian> evening all

23:18 <Tank_Master> hiya BB

23:18 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

23:18 <BadBarbarian> hey tank

23:18 <Tank_Master> watcing the boob toob

23:18 <PovAddict> I'll switch to Enigma@Home

23:19 <Tank_Master> cool ;)

23:19 <Tank_Master> oh, we missed out on the winter race by 3h

23:19 <PovAddict> simap.nnw = true; enigma.nnw = false;

23:19 <Tank_Master> finally got the founder changed, but they didnt let us know...

23:20 <Tank_Master> grr

23:20 <PovAddict> my mom wants me to turn comp off @ night

23:21 <mweltin> What?!!?

23:21 <mweltin> what is her number ?  I'll give her a call.

23:21 <PovAddict> why should I have to do that because of the gov. stupid decisions?

23:22 <PovAddict> if the gov decides to increase electricity price instead of getting new power sources, it's not my fault

23:22 <freelarry> does she shut off all lights at night?

23:22 <mweltin> normally electricity is cheaper at night

23:23 <PovAddict> electricity price changes depending on the hour there?! how the hell do they measure that?

23:23 <mweltin> at least in the USA prime rates are at prime hours.

23:23 * freelarry wonders what she would think of his electic bill - smallest over last few months has been 156 usd

23:24 <PovAddict> how do they know that? the.. thing that measures your electricity usage would need to have a clock and keep the history

23:24 <mweltin> beats me, but if you can squeeze penny out of a consumer, and American will figure out how.

23:24 <freelarry> intellegent meters

23:24 <freelarry> they send info back thru the power lines to collection points for upload of usage to mainframe

23:24 <PovAddict> omg

23:24 <PovAddict> meters here just count kWh's and somebody comes check them every month, comparing the total meter says with the total measured the previous month

23:25 <freelarry> they changed mine over about 3 yrs ago

23:26 <freelarry> billing hasn't changed to reflect peak/nonpeak but a few more lines were added for other things

23:26 <PovAddict> mweltin said: "if you can squeeze penny out of a consumer, an American will figure out how."

23:26 <freelarry> and then try to tell you they didn't ;)

23:26 <PovAddict> well, if you use technical measures to squeeze pennies out of customers, an American customer will figure out how to work around it

23:27 <PovAddict> heck, I read that remote controls to open garage doors nowadays use crypto key exchange

23:27 <PovAddict> and car thieves have a way around that...

23:27 <freelarry> that must be why they took over 7 yrs figureing out how to secure data transmissions

23:28 <PovAddict> little devices that you can hide near the house and bruteforce the crypto keys 24/7

23:28 <freelarry> yup they have to be around to capture the signals

23:28 <mweltin> security is a myth

23:28 <mweltin> if you changed the key every hour you would be safe

23:28 <freelarry> thats why the keys change after every use it seems on some openers

23:29 <PovAddict> I bet the security on the remote control we have for our garage sends a 4-digit code, just to avoid opening somebody else's door

23:29 <mweltin> trouble is I don't or will ever have enough in my garage to be worth stealing, hence on auto door opener for me.

23:29 <PovAddict> nobody would bother making an electronic device to bruteforce keys

23:29 <freelarry> my old one was manual punch out for code - new one is electronic per device

23:30 <mweltin> someone would, just to see if they could.

23:30 <freelarry> and they have

23:30 <PovAddict> not here I mean

23:30 <freelarry> much like cellphone hyjacking

23:30 <mweltin> whats in your garage?

23:30 <freelarry> you mean the garbage

23:30 <PovAddict> doesn't matter... thieves here aren't as smart I mean

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23:31 <freelarry> PovAddict you get my side?

23:32 <mweltin> hey zombie67

23:32 <zombie67> mi!

23:32 <zombie67> hi!

23:32 <zombie67> the race starts today.  I'll be back at tsp in 25 days

23:32 <PovAddict> what race?

23:33 <zombie67> christmas race at wcg

23:33 <mweltin> nice

23:33 * freelarry wonders if anyone wants a 1988 version of hopefully full turbopascal

23:33 <mweltin> by then I should have the new app

23:33 <zombie67> feeling any better?

23:33 <mweltin> freelarry my dad might

23:33 <mweltin> a little thanks for asking

23:34 <mweltin> I doubt I'll be diving this weekend but I'm getting better.

23:34 <freelarry> got it zipped here you want me to try and send mweltin?

23:34 <mweltin> no

23:34 <zombie67> I would hate to cough up a phlem ball while under water!

23:34 <PovAddict> WCG credits seem quite "constant"

23:34 <freelarry> lol thats why i asked

23:34 <PovAddict> zombie67: EWWW

23:34 <mweltin> my internet connection is to slow

23:34 <zombie67> constant for who?

23:35 <PovAddict>

23:35 <Romulus> <> (at

23:35 <mweltin> I'll ask my dad if he wants it first.

23:35 <PovAddict> I expected a peak for the race, even some days before

23:35 <freelarry> ohh big file 640K

23:35 <mweltin> I'm more worried about my ears diving.

23:35 <zombie67> yeah, with a quorum of 2 or 3, you really needed to start priming the pump at least several days before

23:36 <zombie67> most people participating in the race are already crunching for WCG

23:36 * freelarry hated the feeling in ears when eustationtubes plugged

23:36 <zombie67> breathing under water would be my first concern....

23:36 <mweltin> thats not bad

23:36 <mweltin> I take a tank with me

23:37 <zombie67> hard to breath with some colds, especially head colds.

23:37 <freelarry> only did free dive - or snorkeling - ears never were much good for pressure changes >1/2#

23:37 <zombie67> pov:  look here:

23:37 <Romulus> <> (at

23:38 <zombie67> it has been trending up in the past week or so

23:38 <mweltin> I just constantly clear my ears as I decend.

23:38 <mweltin> freelarry 640k isn't too bad in size

23:39 <PovAddict> mweltin: more wouldn't fit on the 5 1/4" floppy

23:39 <freelarry> well it did come off a 1.2 floppy

23:39 <zombie67> in 20 min, one of my boxes finishes its last WU, then a mobo and processor PD -> C2Q swap!

23:40 <freelarry> and i compressed into a zipped

23:40 <mweltin> you can send it to my gamil account

23:40 <mweltin> same user name as here.

23:40 <freelarry> just did for pov earlier

23:41 <mweltin> if you dont mind

23:41 <PovAddict> I didnt get anything

23:41 <freelarry> dang must have used the wrong email

23:41 <freelarry>

23:41 <PovAddict> yeah

23:41 <PovAddict> wait

23:41 <mweltin> yes

23:41 <PovAddict> gmail doesn't allow zips with executables inside

23:41 <freelarry> ohh thats why then

23:41 <mweltin> freaks

23:42 <PovAddict> "security"

23:42 <mweltin> try  at

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23:43 <efc> Hmm, i'm getting a lot of mail bounces that I didn't send.. what scam is that?

23:44 <mweltin> from the boinc project list?

23:44 <mweltin> I got that yesterday.

23:44 <PovAddict> I got over 50

23:45 <PovAddict> if you're on a mailing list, it's because the bounces went to the mailing list, and the list repeated it to all users

23:45 <freelarry> message text rejected by

23:45 <freelarry> 552 5.7.0 Illegal Attachment g21si14709885rvb

23:45 <freelarry> was what i just got from the one to you pov

23:45 <freelarry> mweltin jsut tried you

23:46 <mweltin> thanks

23:46 <efc> it seems to be random stuff from russia

23:47 <efc> maybe somebody is using me as a fake return address

23:47 <PovAddict> yeah

23:49 <PovAddict> sleep ->

23:49 <mweltin> my GF was bragging about the number of hits here blog got, so I set up webalizer last night.

23:49 <mweltin> I was shocked to see the results

23:49 <mweltin> night PovAddict

23:49 <freelarry> nn PovAddict

23:50 <zombie67> gn

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