IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2007-12-03

00:00 <MTughan> &cad

00:00 <Romulus>

00:01 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:01 <Romulus>

00:10 <zombie67> so, what other boinc related channels are there?

00:12 <zombie67> this one, RS, seti.usa, my EMPTY #teammannn....any others?

00:12 <zombie67> heck, even any other DC irc channels?

00:12 <PovAddict> on other servers maybe

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00:15 <zombie67> I did not mean to limit the questions to just this server.

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00:16 <zombie67> MT:  outstanding!

00:20 <MTughan> And I be off to bed.

00:20 <MTughan> &nn all

00:20 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

00:20 <zombie67> gn

00:20 <Tank_Master> gn mt

00:20 <Tank_Master> z...

00:21 <Tank_Master> from retsof

00:21 <Tank_Master> That is also unfortunate. I wouldn't have thought that it would have made much difference for crunching, but we could always set up a challenge with THEIR name in it.  They would have to come over here to investigate.

00:22 <zombie67> saw that

00:22 <zombie67> it also sounds like he is starting to understand the bigger picture

00:23 <zombie67> this challenge is the camel's nose

00:23 <Tank_Master> :)

00:23 <zombie67> the WCG mods are mostly arrogant pricks, used to living in their UD fish bowl

00:24 <Tank_Master> hehe

00:24 <Tank_Master> BOINC reality hasnt quite sunk in yet, has it?

00:24 <zombie67> there is a bigger world out there, children

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01:06 <zombie67> yo

01:06 <mweltin> hey

01:06 <rubiks120> hey

01:06 <zombie67> we're over on #rieselieve

01:06 <mweltin> hi rubiks120

01:07 <mweltin> what is rieselieve ?

01:07 <zombie67> a prime number boinc project

01:08 <mweltin> ahh

01:08 <mweltin> are they haveing some contest?

01:08 <rubiks120> how are ya doing?

01:09 <mweltin> good

01:09 <mweltin> feeling better anyway

01:09 <zombie67> TM's team is doing an assault on RS

01:09 <rubiks120> thats good

01:10 <zombie67> MT is working on an OSX app for them

01:10 <rubiks120> is it me or is there a lot of competition that goes on within boinc

01:10 <Tank_Master> we be kickin @$$ over there

01:10 <mweltin> nice

01:11 <Tank_Master> howdy MW

01:11 <mweltin> hey Tank_Master

01:12 <mweltin> I guess there is a lot of competition in boinc

01:12 <mweltin> but I'm still too new at it

01:12 <Tank_Master> hehe

01:12 <rubiks120> yea, I've only been around for a week or so really

01:12 <mweltin> plus I don't do much crunching for other projects

01:12 <Tank_Master> gee, wonder y

01:13 <rubiks120> Im only really involved on two projects right now

01:13 <mweltin> bandwidth for one thing, and slow computers for another

01:13 <rubiks120> SETI just because its what got me here in the first place, and yours because, I find the problem interesting

01:13 <mweltin> I might drop some resources on Einstein at home

01:14 <mweltin> my dogs name is einstein and they use ps3's I think that is cool.

01:14 <mweltin> I really feel like I should be crunching for someone besdies me.

01:14 <rubiks120> The project use PS3s?

01:14 <mweltin> thats what I heard on the radio

01:14 <Tank_Master> ps3gris and yoyo

01:15 <Tank_Master> ps3grid*

01:15 <rubiks120> interesting, although, i was looking at the specs on a ps3 and they are pretty rediculous

01:15 <mweltin> yoyo has a ps3 grid?

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01:16 <zombie67> it was unique that yoyo (your peer) created a competition on a competing BOINC prject!

01:17 <zombie67> wow!  serendipity

01:17 <mweltin> I love it PovAddict  is answering on a forum I posted for rubiks120 and I to discuss the ga.

01:17 <mweltin> that guy rocks

01:17 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

01:17 <zombie67> that kid is priliant

01:17 <mweltin> speak of the devil

01:17 <zombie67> b*

01:18 <yoyo[RKN]>

01:18 <Romulus> <> (at

01:19 <rubiks120> mweltin, getting more help?

01:19 <mweltin> rubiks120, I saw you posted to the forum, and PovAddict  posted to answer your question.

01:20 <mweltin> I use some code I got from hte book recipes in C.

01:20 <yoyo[RKN]> mweltin : are your first alg. finished with all wus and the shortest tsp way was found?

01:20 <zombie67> I am #7!!  that right, a team of just about me is #7

01:20 <mweltin> which technically is not open source.

01:20 <rubiks120> o wow, I read that just assuming it was you, looking back at it, it wasnt I guess I should pay a little more attention

01:20 <mweltin> yoyo[RKN], ahahahhahahahahahaha no.

01:20 <yoyo[RKN]> :(

01:21 <rubiks120> mweltin, yea, I was reading your random number code, dont understand it entirely yet, but I also started looking into that mersenne twister

01:21 <zombie67> yoyo:  the mods at WCG are unfriendly to outsiders.

01:21 <yoyo[RKN]> really?

01:22 <mweltin> if that is open source I should switch to it.  The stuff I have now might be old enough so its no longer covered..

01:22 <Tank_Master> yo yoyo

01:22 <rubiks120> I did find some free implementations of it with a google search

01:22 <mweltin> hwoever when I wrote to harvard press about a license they never responded.

01:22 <mweltin> nice shouldn't take too much to rework it.

01:23 <rubiks120>, here is one of the ones that I found

01:23 <mweltin> don't foucus too much on the rNG stuff,  getting a population built si more important.

01:23 <zombie67>     start with Nov. 29 post

01:23 <Romulus> <> (at

01:24 <rubiks120> well, to build a population arent you going to be using an rng though? at least I thought thats what I was doing =P

01:24 <mweltin> yes

01:25 <rubiks120> although I suppose I could have the code without having the number generator and then just plug in the new one when we come up with one that we like

01:25 <mweltin> but that is the nice thing about classes.  You should be able to write your code, and as long as i don't change the api I should be able to change the guts of the class without effecting your progress.

01:26 <rubiks120> yea

01:26 <mweltin> I would suggest you build it with what you have.  focus more on learning the GA, and I'll concern myself with the gory details.

01:27 <rubiks120> ok I think I can handle that, like I said, I am still working my way through all the code that you have now to get a feel for what its doing, but I should be able to start working on that soon

01:27 <mweltin> no worries, whatever you get done is cool.

01:28 <mweltin> can  you send me that link on the RNG, the open source one.

01:28 <rubiks120> is the one I was looking at

01:28 <Romulus> <> (at

01:30 <efc> its supposed to be a good one

01:31 <rubiks120> it was the 2nd hit on google, so I figured I would take a look at it

01:31 <efc> has a good wikipedia article

01:32 <rubiks120> oo, are you talking about the Mersenne twister algorithm?

01:33 <yoyo[RKN]> &weater berlin

01:33 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

01:33 <efc> yes

01:33 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin

01:33 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 46°F / 8°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 28.94in / 980hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 22mph / 35km/h | Updated: 7:20 AM CET; Rain. High:48 F. / 9 C.; Rain. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Rain. Low:37 F. / 3 C.; Overcast. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:33 F. / 1 C.;

01:34 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

01:34 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 50.1F / 10.1C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 13.0mph / 20.9km/h ; Tonight - Rain...windy. Lows 40 to 45. Southeast wind 15 to 30 mph with local gusts to 45 mph. Winds east 10 to 20 mph at times near The Gorge.; Monday - Rain...windy. Rain may be heavy at times. Highs around 55. South wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts (2 more messages)

01:34 <Tank_Master> &more

01:34 <Romulus> Tank_Master: to 50 mph.; Monday Night - Rain in the evening...then showers after midnight. Breezy. Rain may be heavy at times in the evening. Lows around 45. South wind 15 to 25 mph. Gusts to 45 mph in the evening.; Flood Warning for Washington County in effect until 6:42 PM PST on December 04, 2007; Areal Flood Watch for Washington County in effect until 7:00 AM PST on December 05, 2007; Wind Advisory for (1 more message)

01:34 <Tank_Master> &more

01:34 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Washington County in effect until 10:00 PM PST on December 03, 2007;

01:34 <zombie67> &weather 94568

01:34 <rubiks120> yea it was suggested by PovAddict, from what I have read on it, it looks to be pretty good

01:34 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 55.6F / 13.1C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017.5hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the 40s to lower 50s. Southeast winds 10 to 25 mph.; Monday - Partly cloudy. Highs in the upper 50s to mid 60s. Southeast winds 10 to 25 mph...decreasing in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. A chance of (1 more message)

01:34 <zombie67> &more

01:34 <Romulus> zombie67: rain...mainly north. Lows in the 40s to lower 50s. South winds 10 to 20 mph.;

01:35 <zombie67> meh

01:35 <Tank_Master> huh

01:35 <Tank_Master> theres a seperate flood warning for areal then wide spread...

01:35 <Tank_Master> and we have bot :P

01:35 <Tank_Master> both*

01:37 <Tank_Master>

01:37 <Romulus> Title: NWS - National Mosaic Enhanced Radar Image: Full Resolution Loop (at

01:37 <Tank_Master> looks like another batch of orenge n red headed this way

01:38 <rubiks120> tank your in a great area over there =P

01:39 <zombie67> TM:  you live in rain country.  wouldn't it be more productive to talk about when it wasn't going to rain?

01:39 <mweltin> LOL

01:39 <mweltin> zombie67, that was funny

01:40 <Tank_Master> considering this is the first rain in about 2 months...

01:40 <Tank_Master> not really

01:41 <mweltin> yeah Portland summer is very dry.

01:41 <zombie67> two months???  writing tickets for watering lawns yet?

01:41 <Tank_Master> and it lasted a LOOT longer than normal

01:41 <Tank_Master> sad to say, still no water restrictions...

01:42 <Tank_Master> theres this thing called moutain snow...

01:42 <Tank_Master> taks over a year to met

01:42 <Tank_Master> so we dont have a prob

01:43 <efc> We don't have mountain snow in Georgia unfortunately

01:43 * yoyo[RKN] needs a mac tester @yoyo

01:43 * Tank_Master dosnt want to be a tester for mac

01:44 <zombie67> here's an idea:  A BOINC kibbutz in alaska, where A/C is cheap, no state income tax, and big oil refund checks!

01:44 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

01:44 <Tank_Master> :)

01:44 <zombie67> hi yoyo:  what do you need me to test?

01:44 <Tank_Master> and not to mention, alaska has the highest suisude rate in the country!

01:44 <zombie67> alaska and dentists

01:45 <mweltin> and yet the most snow

01:45 <yoyo[RKN]> need to know if the evo app on mac ppc and mac intel runs

01:45 <Tank_Master> so dont be a dentest in alaska

01:45 <zombie67> yoyo:  I didn't already test that?

01:45 <yoyo[RKN]> no!

01:45 <zombie67> oh

01:45 <zombie67> anyway to test evo, without yoyo?

01:46 <yoyo[RKN]> with yoyo

01:46 <zombie67> ah!

01:46 <zombie67> uncheck "cruncher"?

01:47 <zombie67> that will give me only evo?

01:47 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

01:47 <zombie67> ok

01:47 <Tank_Master> so yeah, you guys are talkin MAC, so im headin out now

01:47 <zombie67> er,

01:47 <Tank_Master> gn

01:47 <zombie67> gn

01:47 <yoyo[RKN]> gn

01:47 <zombie67> that will mess up my ps3

01:47 * Tank_Master just hopes his comp is still running in the morning

01:48 <zombie67> that is okay for short term

01:48 <yoyo[RKN]> there is no ps3 evo application

01:48 <zombie67> yoyo:  do I need to have test app yes or no?

01:48 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

01:49 <yoyo[RKN]> test app:yes, evo: on, cruncher: off

01:49 <zombie67> got it

01:52 <yoyo[RKN]> have to leave and go to work now, bye

01:52 <zombie67> added

01:52 <zombie67> check my machines when you can

01:52 <yoyo[RKN]> thx

01:52 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

01:52 <mweltin> bye

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01:52 <zombie67> er,

01:54 <mweltin> I hate it when peole don't split their hearder and source files.

01:55 <mweltin> the RNG is all in the hearder.

01:58 <zombie67> oh yeah!  me too! ...if I knew what any of that meant

01:58 <zombie67> :)

02:00 <mweltin> hahah

02:00 <mweltin> well you have header files the explain what you are going to do.

02:00 <mweltin> and then you have c files the do what you say you were going to do.

02:01 <mweltin> they are totally different.

02:01 <mweltin> of course the C++ standard si written so you can do whatever the heck you please but I mean C'om ON!

02:04 <zombie67> *snot*  of course!

02:04 <zombie67> crap

02:05 <zombie67> all of yoyo's apps just loop

02:06 <mweltin> what do you mean?

02:06 <rubiks120> mweltin, if you just check google you can probably find one that is better written

02:07 <zombie67> Sun Dec  2 23:03:19 2007|yoyo@home|Task evo_1196518209-652_439KB_4.79_1 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file

02:07 <zombie67> Sun Dec  2 23:03:19 2007|yoyo@home|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.

02:07 <zombie67> Sun Dec  2 23:03:19 2007|yoyo@home|Restarting task evo_1196518209-652_439KB_4.79_1 using evolutionathome version 103

02:07 <zombie67> Sun Dec  2 23:03:20 2007|yoyo@home|Task evo_1196518209-637_439KB_4.79_1 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file

02:07 <zombie67> Sun Dec  2 23:03:20 2007|yoyo@home|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.

02:07 <mweltin> I'm just going to separate them out myself.

02:07 <rubiks120> that works too

02:07 <mweltin> and it has a totally different api

02:08 <mweltin> I think I like the old one better, but this one is open source so I'm sticking with it.

02:08 <mweltin> that reminds me I hsould drop in the gpl stuff in my code too.

02:08 <rubiks120> yea, not a bad idea

02:09 <rubiks120> well, im going to head off to bed, just one quick question, when Im generating a population Im generating strings of city order where the cities are 0 1 2 etc correct? I think I got that from your current code

02:09 <mweltin> mmmmmm yeah

02:09 <mweltin> its 0 based, I think

02:09 <mweltin> let me check

02:10 <rubiks120> Im pretty sure it was 0 basesd

02:10 <mweltin> ok I'll go with that.

02:10 <rubiks120> if it wasnt Ill double check before writing it

02:10 <rubiks120> but Im heading off for the night

02:10 <mweltin> ok

02:10 <mweltin> one more thing

02:10 <rubiks120> k

02:10 <mweltin> make the popsize a define or a variable.

02:11 <rubiks120> I was planning on it

02:11 <mweltin> I want to be able to control that.

02:11 <mweltin> sweet

02:11 <rubiks120> everything that is somehow variable

02:11 <mweltin> don't go crazy but yes good idea.

02:11 <rubiks120> I was going to put in as a define, it makes the code cleaner

02:11 <mweltin> cool, and I'll get you svn write access too when you are ready.

02:12 <rubiks120> ok sounds good

02:12 <rubiks120> night

02:12 <mweltin> and remember update often and commit when you have something good.

02:12 <rubiks120> ok

02:12 <mweltin> ok thats all

02:12 <mweltin> good night.

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02:15 <mweltin> PovAddict, I can pretend I have just one thread in my tsp right?

02:16 <zombie67> 's late for POV

02:16 <mweltin> ahhh

02:17 <zombie67> & time agrentina

02:17 <Romulus> zombie67: agrentina

02:17 <zombie67> &time argetina

02:17 <Romulus> zombie67: argetina

02:17 <zombie67> hmm

02:17 <mweltin> dont' ask me I can't spell

02:17 <mweltin> &time argentina

02:17 <Romulus> mweltin: argentina

02:18 <mweltin> &time Argentina

02:18 <Romulus> mweltin: Argentina

02:18 <mweltin> nothing

02:18 <zombie67>

02:18 <Romulus> <> (at

02:18 <zombie67> 4:18 Am there

02:20 <zombie67> milky way is back up

02:22 <Soul_keeper> any C coders in here ?

02:22 <efc> usually get flamed if I say "yes"

02:22 <Soul_keeper> i am having an issue with creating a makefile

02:23 <mweltin> whats wrong

02:23 <mweltin> linux box I assume?

02:23 <Soul_keeper> i have 2 whatever.c programs and i need them both to compile from the same makefile

02:23 <mweltin> ok

02:23 <mweltin> you can say all: prog1 prog2

02:24 <Soul_keeper>

02:24 <Romulus> <> (at

02:24 <Soul_keeper> like that

02:24 <mweltin> and then have directive prog1 and prog2 defined later on.

02:24 <Soul_keeper> but now i want  lsgfx.c  to compile also

02:24 <mweltin> ok

02:25 <mweltin> well this link doens't compile anything

02:25 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

02:25 <Soul_keeper> what do you mean ?

02:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 50.7F / 10.4C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Rain...windy. Lows 40 to 45. Southeast wind 15 to 30 mph with local gusts to 45 mph. Winds east 10 to 20 mph at times near The Gorge.; Monday - Rain...windy. Rain may be heavy at times. Highs around 55. South wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts to (2 more messages)

02:25 <Tank_Master> &more&more

02:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

02:25 <Tank_Master> &more &more

02:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: I haven't seen &more.

02:25 <mweltin> is it the one you are working on?

02:25 <Tank_Master> &more

02:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 50 mph.; Monday Night - Rain in the evening...then showers after midnight. Breezy. Rain may be heavy at times in the evening. Lows around 45. South wind 15 to 25 mph. Gusts to 45 mph in the evening.; Areal Flood Warning for Washington County in effect until 11:00 AM PST on December 03, 2007; Areal Flood Watch for Washington County in effect until 7:00 AM PST on December 05, 2007; Wind Advisory for (1 more message)

02:25 <Tank_Master> &more

02:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Washington County in effect until 10:00 PM PST on December 03, 2007;

02:26 <zombie67> wow!  here we go again!;

02:26 <Romulus> Title: Why Astro got banished and other issues on moderation policy. (at

02:26 <mweltin> Soul_keeper, you still here?

02:27 <Soul_keeper> yeah i can't understand what you are trying to say

02:27 <mweltin> hahaha

02:27 <mweltin> I get that a lot

02:27 <mweltin> when you type make nothing happens right?

02:27 <Soul_keeper> nah it works perfectly

02:27 <mweltin> really

02:27 <Soul_keeper> i just want to make it compile two things now

02:27 <mweltin> what does it do

02:27 <Soul_keeper> lsbench and lsgfx

02:28 <Soul_keeper> it's my benchmark project

02:28 <mweltin> of so you type 'make lsbench' or what?

02:28 <Soul_keeper> no i just type   make    and it creates lsbench

02:28 <mweltin> the url you gave me woudln't do that as far as I can see.

02:28 <Soul_keeper> but i want it to create  lsgfx  also from lsgfx.c

02:29 <mweltin> ok so my suggestion was to add a few lines.

02:29 <mweltin> one line would be ....

02:30 <mweltin> all: lsbench lsgfx

02:30 <Tank_Master> so, mw...

02:30 <Tank_Master> bout those credits of yours...

02:30 <Tank_Master> can you mke mine more "fair" than everyone elses?

02:30 <Tank_Master> :D

02:30 <mweltin> you have already defined lsbench so do the same for lsgfx

02:30 <mweltin> and when you type make

02:30 <mweltin> it should compile both.

02:30 <mweltin> Tank_Master, what about them

02:31 <mweltin> you don't like 16?

02:31 <Tank_Master> 16 is fomr for ht emear mortles, but I want more!

02:31 <Tank_Master> faa

02:31 <Tank_Master> fine for the mear mortals*

02:31 <mweltin> i knew what you ment

02:32 <mweltin> and, for the record,  I don't think of you as a mear motral

02:32 <Soul_keeper> mweltin,  it's trying to combine them into one executable

02:32 <Soul_keeper> complaining about two mains

02:33 <mweltin> I'll post one of my make files in pastebin

02:33 <Tank_Master> well I know I not, which is why I should get more, right?

02:33 <mweltin> yes 32 for you

02:33 <Tank_Master> could you just double my putput for the day?

02:33 <mweltin> no make that 42

02:33 <Soul_keeper>

02:33 <Romulus> <> (at

02:34 * Tank_Master reminde mwelton that he only ran poem today

02:34 <mweltin> ok here is the deal I dont' know what hte Name variable does if anything

02:34 <mweltin> but

02:35 <mweltin>

02:35 <zombie67> clearly, I have contributed 2x than TM for testing and crunching to TSP, therefore, I should get 2x the TH multiplier

02:35 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

02:35 <zombie67> ;)

02:36 <mweltin> zombie67, we will talk when you get back to tsp.

02:36 <Tank_Master> LOL

02:36 <zombie67> ouch!

02:36 <mweltin> at least tank didn't leave me high and dry for some contest.

02:36 <Tank_Master> owned

02:36 <Tank_Master> oh?

02:36 <zombie67> p0wnd?

02:36 <Tank_Master> have you seen my output the last few days?

02:36 <mweltin> I love you zombie67

02:37 <zombie67> careful

02:37 <Tank_Master> its all poem

02:37 <Tank_Master> but alas, tomorrow I go back to my reguler program

02:37 <zombie67> uless you look like jessica alba in that diving movie...

02:37 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:37 <mweltin> Soul_keeper, so the difference in our makefiles is that you are using some aspect of make that I don't understand.

02:37 <Tank_Master> btw

02:38 <Tank_Master> we are now #1 in RS

02:38 <Soul_keeper> yeah this is bullshit

02:38 <mweltin> alba in a diving movie

02:38 <wdsmia> asks Soul_keeper to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

02:38 <mweltin> this is the first I heard o fthat.

02:38 <Soul_keeper> i might as well ditch make and create a bash script to do the compiling

02:38 <Soul_keeper> not worth the hours needed to invest for now

02:38 <mweltin> I'd stick with make if I were you.

02:39 <Soul_keeper> well your options don't work and mine don't either

02:39 <mweltin> its worth it it.

02:39 <Soul_keeper> so i'd need to find a fat manual to read, and it's nearly midnight

02:39 <mweltin> well you are mixing the two styles together.

02:40 <mweltin> well you can skip all the detail in my file and just look at one aspect

02:40 <efc> oh yeah i remember that movie coming out, don't think it has what you want

02:40 <mweltin> I use "all" to call the other compile lines

02:40 <zombie67>

02:40 <Romulus> Title: Into the Blue (2005) (at

02:40 <mweltin> like I suggested to you before use all:  prog1 and prog2

02:40 <zombie67>

02:40 <Romulus> Title: Into the Blue Photos (at

02:41 <mweltin> then later down in the Make file you would have ....

02:41 <mweltin> prog1:

02:41 <mweltin> <tab> $(comiplie options) -o outputfile1

02:41 <mweltin> prog2:

02:42 <mweltin> <tab> $(comilie optoins) -o optputfile2

02:42 <Tank_Master> anywho, im out again

02:42 <Tank_Master> gn n gl

02:42 <mweltin> later tank

02:43 <mweltin> alba and diving this could be the worst moive ever and I'd still watch it.

02:43 <zombie67> gn

02:43 <mweltin> Soul_keeper, I'll post antoher example

02:43 <zombie67> I hear its a B- movie.

02:43 <zombie67> however, with alba .....

02:43 <mweltin> its real long but does excatly what you want.

02:44 <zombie67> exactly

02:44 <mweltin>

02:44 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

02:44 <mweltin> and I'm all about diving as well.

02:45 <mweltin> ashley scott is not bad either.

02:46 <mweltin> yeah that has to be bad

02:46 <zombie67> okay, but she's no alba

02:46 <mweltin> true

02:46 <zombie67> kinda gangly body

02:46 <zombie67> with a bit of a belly

02:46 <mweltin> coke will do that to you.

02:46 <mweltin> Soul_keeper, did you get that last pastebin ?

02:46 <zombie67> not that I am anyone to ctitisize

02:47 <mweltin> and they make her dive in a bikini

02:47 <mweltin> nice

02:48 <Soul_keeper> yeah none of that is working

02:48 <zombie67> and then follow her with a cam focused on her jiggly bits

02:48 <mweltin> what error are you getting?

02:48 <zombie67> nice

02:48 <Soul_keeper> ok ic my problem  hold on

02:48 <Soul_keeper> had a pesky include

02:48 <mweltin> that can mess stuff up but good.

02:51 <Soul_keeper> ok i got it thanks

02:51 <mweltin> it was the least I could do.  Your welcome.

02:51 <mweltin> now get some sleep.

02:52 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'll save the version release for tomarrow :)

02:53 <Soul_keeper> needs some fine tuning i'm sure

02:55 <mweltin> yeah i find after banging my head against a wall for a while a nap does me lots of good.

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02:58 <mweltin> zombie67, have you seen that movie yet?

02:58 <mweltin> I'm totally going to see it now.

03:07 <efc>

03:07 <Romulus> Title: Into the Blue (at

03:08 <zombie67> nope.  have the dvd, just waiting.

03:10 <efc> "it's a tale of two booties" hehe

03:11 <mweltin> Jessica Alba shows one nipple, which falls from her blouse during an underwater struggle. She spends much of the film in a bikini, often with most of her bum uncovered.

03:11 <mweltin> new the file is only $11

03:11 <mweltin> not a good sign.

03:12 <mweltin> gave it a B- (hahahaha)

03:12 <efc> That sounds like a stretch

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03:13 <mweltin> I took apart my kitchenaid today.

03:14 <mweltin> thoes things are built like a Tank.

03:18 <mweltin> the muppet show was a classic.

03:21 <zombie67> mw:

03:21 <Romulus> Title: "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken (at

03:21 <zombie67> there are two JA images

03:22 <mweltin> is this you into the blue fan site?

03:22 <zombie67> nope

03:22 <mweltin> too bad.

03:22 <mweltin> its loading now.

03:23 <mweltin> whats pizza@home?

03:23 <zombie67> a joke

03:24 <mweltin> "occasional" "Alpha" I hope that will change for TSP after I launch.

03:25 <mweltin> I mean it this time.   Birthday is as soon as these current resutls run out.

03:26 <mweltin> DC, is that why your avatar is superman?

03:27 <mweltin> LOL

03:27 <mweltin> helps you to accumulate good karma

03:27 <mweltin> roll over teams of losers who deserve their fate.

03:27 <mweltin> LOL

03:28 <zombie67> ?

03:28 <zombie67> DC?

03:28 <mweltin> that is from the Team MacNN description.

03:28 <zombie67> Distributed Computing

03:28 <mweltin> DC comics

03:28 <mweltin> Batman Superman they were DC.

03:29 <mweltin> while all the cool comics came from marvel.

03:29 <zombie67> I use that avatar because is a gorgeous piece if art

03:29 <mweltin> oh

03:29 <zombie67> my 8-way mac is named Hulk

03:30 <zombie67> of art

03:30 <mweltin> is it green and do you like it when it gets angry.

03:30 <zombie67> the madder I get, the faster it crunches

03:31 <mweltin> you don't strike me as a very mad guy.

03:31 <zombie67> you woldnt like me when im mad

03:31 <mweltin> hahahahaah

03:31 <zombie67> like me

03:31 <zombie67> heh

03:32 <zombie67> I am a huge comics guy

03:32 <zombie67> I have well over 100 comics staues

03:32 <zombie67> and 20+ long boxes of comics

03:32 <mweltin> wow, I'd say that was huge.

03:32 <mweltin> double wow

03:32 <mweltin> I liked them, but never got into the collecting of them.

03:33 <zombie67> yeah, in too deep

03:33 <mweltin> I liked the silver surfer, and The Watcher.

03:33 <mweltin> and the regular ones too.

03:33 <zombie67> SS is very cool

03:34 <mweltin> not the fantastic 4 very much.

03:34 <zombie67> too corny the F4

03:34 <mweltin> or spider man, there was too much to follow with spider man.

03:34 <zombie67> Hulk and thor forme

03:34 <mweltin> I had a spider man record when I was a kid.

03:35 <mweltin> Hulk was too one dimentional.

03:35 <mweltin> X-men were good for that.

03:35 <zombie67> jeckl and hyde

03:35 <mweltin> battle wihin, and good and evil mixing up sometimes.

03:35 <zombie67> hulk is very complex

03:35 <mweltin> that was what made marvel great, and dc not so great.

03:36 <zombie67> agreed

03:36 <mweltin> dc the hero never veared off course.

03:36 <zombie67> too much icon

03:36 <mweltin> yeah

03:36 <zombie67> gotta crach

03:36 <zombie67> crash

03:37 <mweltin> later

03:37 <zombie67> gn

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05:02 <freelarry> well back up after a power outage

05:07 <CoderForLife> morning all

05:08 <CoderForLife> I'm back up after a consciousness outage =)

05:08 <PriitM> power outage is bad

05:09 <PriitM> killed my old PC few years ago

05:09 <CoderForLife> Monday mornings are bad

05:09 <PriitM> PC, printer and monitor PSUs were dead

05:10 * CoderForLife sniffs the air to see if it contains oxygen

05:10 <PriitM> maybe you want dehydrated water?

05:14 <CoderForLife> sounds delicious

05:14 <PriitM> indeedf

05:15 <PriitM> -f

05:15 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

05:16 <PriitM> i eat at PC most of the times - does that make me a no lifer?

05:22 * CoderForLife returns with his food

05:22 <CoderForLife> sounds normal to me, PriitM

05:22 <PriitM> aha :>

05:26 <Tank_Master> well, its official now

05:28 <CoderForLife> people eat at their PCs?

05:31 <BadBarbarian_> your up late tank

05:32 <BadBarbarian_> freelarry did you get anything in the mail

05:33 <Tank_Master> my road is flooding

05:33 <Tank_Master> so r u , BB

05:34 <BadBarbarian_> no just got up lol

05:34 <Tank_Master> lol

05:34 <Tank_Master> its 2:#, wtf r u doing up so early?

05:34 <Tank_Master> 2:30

05:34 <BadBarbarian_> 3:30

05:34 <CoderForLife> 5:32 - time for me to get ready for w@#%

05:35 <Tank_Master> same diff

05:35 <CoderForLife> cya folks soon

05:35 <Tank_Master> hf@work

05:35 <CoderForLife> not possible

05:35 <Tank_Master> hehe

05:35 <CoderForLife> buh-bye

05:35 <Tank_Master> I dont think im gonna be able to g2 work today

05:36 <BadBarbarian_> after 20 years in the army i get up about 4am everyday

05:36 <Tank_Master> sorry to hear that

05:36 <Tank_Master> ;)

05:39 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

05:39 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 52.3F / 11.3C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Rain...windy. Lows 40 to 45. Southeast wind 15 to 30 mph with local gusts to 45 mph. Winds east 10 to 20 mph at times near The Gorge.; Monday - Rain...windy. Rain may be heavy at times. Highs around 55. South wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts to (2 more messages)

05:39 <Tank_Master> &more

05:39 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 50 mph.; Monday Night - Rain in the evening...then showers after midnight. Breezy. Rain may be heavy at times in the evening. Lows around 45. South wind 15 to 25 mph. Gusts to 45 mph in the evening.; Flood Warning for Washington County in effect until 8:19 PM PST on December 04, 2007; Areal Flood Watch for Washington County in effect until 7:00 AM PST on December 05, 2007; Wind Advisory for (1 more message)

05:39 <Tank_Master> &more

05:39 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Washington County in effect until 10:00 PM PST on December 03, 2007;

05:39 <Tank_Master> wind 1mph? you kidding me?

05:39 <Tank_Master> I see the sky lighting up from blowen transformers....

05:40 <BadBarbarian_> @weather 86023

05:40 <BadBarbarian_> &weather 86023

05:40 <Romulus> BadBarbarian_: Temperature: 20F / -7C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.57in / 1035hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Today - Not as cool. Mostly sunny. Highs around 47 on the North Rim to around 61 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Clear. Lows around 21 on the North Rim to around 26 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tuesday - Sunny. Highs around 52 (1 more message)

05:41 <BadBarbarian_> &more

05:41 <Romulus> BadBarbarian_: on the North Rim to around 68 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming north around 15 mph in the afternoon.;

05:43 <Tank_Master> im hewadin back to bed

05:43 <Tank_Master> gn

05:44 <BadBarbarian_> later

05:44 <Tank_Master> waahoo! I passed 50k in poem

05:46 <PriitM> I belive I gotta cut the time I spend using PC

05:47 <PriitM> god, computer is one addicting piece of poop :<

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07:12 <hawmps> 'lo

07:12 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

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07:13 <MTughan> I'm here for a few minutes before I'm off to school.

07:15 <wdsmia> Mornin

07:16 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

07:17 <wdsmia> Jay congrats on reaching 6M

07:17 <hawmps> thanks

07:17 <MTughan> 6M overall? Nice...

07:21 <MTughan> Well, I'm off to school. See you guys later on today.

07:22 <MTughan> Should be able to have a Riesel Sieve Mac app later on today too... ;)

07:22 <MTughan> Anyway, off with me...

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10:07 <BadBarbarian_> Mornin everyone

10:08 <Tank_Master> morning

10:09 <BadBarbarian_> how things is the water running in the door yet

10:09 <Tank_Master> haha, never

10:09 <Tank_Master> im on a hill

10:09 <Tank_Master> but I did see some noob just about stall out in it

10:09 <BadBarbarian_> are the busses running

10:09 <Tank_Master> you NEVER plow into watter then stop in the middle of it

10:10 <Tank_Master> probably

10:10 <BadBarbarian_> well you highspeed not drowned yet so thats a good thing

10:11 <Tank_Master> :)

10:11 <BadBarbarian_> has freelarry been on

10:11 <Tank_Master> looking online, no busses are having deturers yet

10:12 <BadBarbarian_> want too see if he got that netcard i mailed him

10:13 <BadBarbarian_> lol hr needed an isa netcard i had one in my junk pile

10:13 <BadBarbarian_> he

10:14 <Tank_Master> saw that

10:16 <BadBarbarian_> if freelarry was on

10:16 * Tank_Master slaps freelarry around a bit with a large trout

10:16 <BadBarbarian_>

10:16 <Romulus> <> (at

10:16 <BadBarbarian_> now thats just wrong

10:18 <Tank_Master> yeah, that is sad

10:40 <Tank_Master> im off to work...

10:40 <Tank_Master> this aught to be "fun"

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13:32 <PovAddict>

13:32 <Romulus> <> (at

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16:29 <mweltin> ping PovAddict

16:31 <mweltin> &seen PovAddict

16:31 <Romulus> mweltin: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <PovAddict>

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16:36 <old511> Hi all

16:37 *** old511 is now known as old

16:38 <old> #weather 87321

16:39 <PovAddict> TheBorg hasn't been here in months... use Romulus

16:39 <PovAddict> &weather 87321

16:39 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 47F / 8C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 30.58in / 1035hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Not as cool. Highs in the 50s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid teens to lower 30s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Warmer. Highs in the upper 50s to mid 60s. (1 more message)

16:40 <PovAddict> 8C? nice weather you have there... 31C here

16:40 <old> THX Pov :) been so long I forgot how to use  IRC :(

16:40 <old> snowev yesterday ,go figger

16:40 <mweltin> hey PovAddict I had a question about threads

16:41 <PovAddict> forum threads?

16:41 <PovAddict> guess not

16:42 <mweltin> the RNG said it wasn't thread safe, but as I recall everytime I ask you about threads in my app, I get the impression that the main loop of my app is a thread that doens't fork (not sure if that is the right term).

16:42 <mweltin> so I believe I can use the RNG.

16:42 <PovAddict> if you aren't calling the RNG from multiple threads, you don't care about its "threadsafeness"

16:43 <mweltin> cool, that is what I wanted to hear.

16:43 <PovAddict> boinc_init starts a thread or two to talk to the client and other things

16:43 <PovAddict> but those threads obviously won't be using your RNG :)

16:43 <mweltin> yup

16:43 <old> later all have to finish setting up my new zone alarm router and the new switch ,will be back laters to catach up on what's going on :)

16:44 <mweltin> I also realized I can trim off tons of work from my brute force algorithm.

16:44 <mweltin> later old

16:44 <PovAddict> cya old

16:44 <PovAddict> mweltin: the silly concatenating-strings-and-parsing-the-result? :P

16:44 <mweltin> even better

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16:44 * old511 is away - L.A.S.F. - Later all Simper Fi - Pager[Off] Log[On]

16:45 <PovAddict> :o

16:45 <mweltin> once the ga comes back with a good path

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16:45 <mweltin> my work generator will check the prefix to see if its longer that the best path to date.

16:46 <mweltin> if it is there is no reason to send out that work unit.

16:46 <PovAddict> :o true

16:46 <mweltin> also I should precalc  the prefix in the WU and only sum up the cites in the suffix

16:46 <PovAddict> if the *prefix* is longer than the whole best path, it's obviously useless

16:47 <mweltin> I'm feeling much better.  I took a few days off I was rather sick for a while.

16:47 <mweltin> yup

16:47 <mweltin> and thanks for the tip on the MersenneTwister

16:47 <PovAddict> yeah I heard it's quite a good one

16:47 <mweltin> I found an opensource version.  My old rng was not open source.

16:48 <PovAddict> mersenne twister is just an algorithm, there are loads of implementations

16:48 <mweltin> yeah I'm building a wrapper so I can use the old calls from the previous rng, and so the save and load will use xml.

16:48 <mweltin> yeah the one I got seems clean, nice, and the api is intuitive.

16:50 <mweltin> TSP has some direction again. Feels good.

16:51 <rubiks120> mweltin, it didnt have a direction a week ago?

16:52 <mweltin> i had a direction but no path.

16:52 <mweltin> now I can see how to get where I want to go.

16:53 <mweltin> I was having lots of trouble tyring to figure out how to not go through all the paths.

16:53 <mweltin> find some logical way to trim the paths down.

16:53 <mweltin> I found a good, but it depends on getting the GA done.

16:53 <rubiks120> so the GA is your new path?

16:54 <mweltin> if the prefix is longer than the GA's best path there is no need to go through all the permutations of the suffix.

16:54 <mweltin> but I got to get the GA done.

16:55 <mweltin> send an email to my gmail account as to what you want your svn pasword to be.

16:55 <rubiks120> once it gets going it should come together fairly quickly

16:55 <MTughan> Who, me?

16:55 <mweltin> yeah, I've built all the parts already

16:55 <MTughan> I already have an SVN password...

16:56 <PovAddict> no he was telling rubiks120

16:56 <mweltin> not you MTughan but good to see you.

16:56 <mweltin> I was talkl.....

16:56 <rubiks120> ok, I will

16:56 <mweltin> what PovAddict said

16:56 <MTughan> lol

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16:58 <CoderForLife> hello boincers

16:58 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

16:58 <CoderForLife> hey Michael

16:58 <mweltin> CFL nice to see you.

16:58 * CoderForLife looks around the room

16:58 <CoderForLife> where's the camera?

16:59 <MTughan> WTF? PHP 5 install from MacPorts installs bunzip...

16:59 * CoderForLife waves at the ceiling to mweltin

17:00 <MTughan> Aw, s***... Once again crash into libxslt...

17:00 <mweltin> the camera is in the west wall cfl, and I'm not telling you were the mic is.

17:00 <PovAddict> MTughan: compile php yourself with xslt support disabled

17:00 * CoderForLife carefully studies his bookshelf

17:00 <PovAddict> building php isn't hard...

17:01 <MTughan> Yeah, but it's nice when it's automated. :P

17:01 <CoderForLife> unless of course you want mysql support built-in

17:01 * PovAddict points at the lazy one

17:01 <MTughan> Hey, looks at binaries.

17:01 <MTughan> At least this is from source.

17:01 <CoderForLife> who would *ever* want to use PHP with mysql??!??

17:01 <MTughan> Moi!

17:02 <mweltin> hahahahaah

17:02 <MTughan> And BOINC... :D

17:02 <CoderForLife> I spent a TON of time trying to figure out the magic incantation to make that work

17:02 <MTughan> Nvm, xslt is building now.

17:02 <mweltin> boinc what is that?

17:02 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: wonder what was up with your system...

17:02 * CoderForLife curses and spits in the general direction of mweltin's camera

17:03 <PovAddict> 'twas easy enough here

17:03 <PovAddict> (mysql itself from binaries though)

17:03 * CoderForLife utters expletives

17:03 * MTughan backs away from CoderForLife

17:03 <mweltin> I heard that

17:04 <CoderForLife>

17:04 <Romulus> <> (at

17:06 <MTughan> Anyone know what pcre is?

17:06 <PovAddict> perl-compatible regular expressions

17:06 <MTughan> Ah... Makes sense.

17:07 * CoderForLife likes regexs

17:08 * CoderForLife didn't like the PHP5 non-support OOTB of mysql

17:09 <mweltin> they have OTB (Off Track Betting) support?

17:09 <CoderForLife> OOTB

17:09 <CoderForLife> out-of-the-box

17:09 <mweltin> whats that

17:09 <PovAddict> sounds like oobe

17:10 <CoderForLife> oot-bee

17:10 <mweltin> I still think OTB support woudl be cool.

17:13 * CoderForLife casts a sidewards glance at the bookshelf

17:15 <PovAddict> SETI going down this thursday for lab-wide electrical repairs

17:15 <PovAddict> boinc websites will be affected too

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17:16 <mweltin> big Z

17:16 <mweltin> whats up?

17:16 <zombie67> hi

17:16 <zombie67> on a con call, bored out of my mind

17:16 <CoderForLife> conference calls bore into your mind

17:16 <CoderForLife> Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

17:17 <CoderForLife> like a dentist drill

17:17 <MTughan> I could poke you in the shoulder a bunch of times, ought annoy you more...

17:17 <MTughan> *poke*

17:17 <MTughan> *poke*

17:17 <zombie67> just had my water heater replaced.

17:17 <mweltin> can't they hear you typing

17:17 <MTughan> *poke*

17:17 <zombie67> that was painful too.

17:17 <MTughan> *poke*

17:17 <MTughan> *poke*

17:18 <MTughan> *poke*

17:18 <mweltin> how much was that

17:18 <MTughan> *poke*

17:18 <MTughan> *poke*

17:18 <zombie67> with the install, about $1k

17:18 <MTughan> Oh, you're no fun. :(

17:18 <zombie67> it's a big one

17:18 <mweltin> ouch

17:18 <zombie67> yeash

17:18 <PovAddict> CoderForLife

17:18 <PovAddict> dont

17:18 <PovAddict> mention

17:18 <PovAddict> the word

17:18 <PovAddict> "dentist"

17:19 <mweltin> or alaska

17:19 <PovAddict> especially not near the word "drill"

17:19 <MTughan> Construction drill is fine?

17:19 <CoderForLife> what's wrong with the word "dentist"?

17:19 <MTughan> He doesn't like them.

17:19 <CoderForLife> welcome to the human race

17:19 <zombie67> wow, looks like a BOM went off on the seti forums

17:19 <PovAddict> :o?

17:20 <zombie67> the mods went on a banning spree

17:20 <zombie67>

17:20 <Romulus> <> (at

17:20 <PovAddict> good thing I stay away from seti

17:20 <PovAddict> thx for the link

17:20 <CoderForLife> sun going down - the woods behind the house look pink

17:21 <CoderForLife> Christmas lights just came on automagically out front also

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17:21 <zombie67> look at the authors for threads here:

17:21 <Romulus> <> (at

17:24 <PovAddict> it's a single user

17:25 <zombie67> it is at least that user

17:25 <zombie67> but I think several others stuck up for him and got banned as well

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17:31 <CoderForLife> I need to go - cya folks

17:31 <zombie67> cy

17:32 <zombie67> a

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17:48 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

17:48 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 36F / 2C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 20s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of rain and snow in the afternoon. High in the lower 40s. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance (1 more message)

17:48 <wdsmia> &more

17:48 <Romulus> wdsmia: of snow. Breezy. Low 15 to 20. Northwest wind 10 to 25 mph.;

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18:08 <MTughan> PovAddict: How do I enable PHP support in Apache?

18:12 <MTughan> PovAddict?

18:13 <bryanUC> MTughan: what OS?

18:13 <MTughan> OS X.

18:13 <bryanUC> oh

18:14 <bryanUC> how did you install apache?

18:14 <MTughan> I installed Apache 2 from source though.

18:14 <bryanUC> ah

18:14 <bryanUC> with or without apxs

18:14 <MTughan> One sec...

18:14 <bryanUC> ok

18:14 <bryanUC> &weather 43016

18:14 <Romulus> bryanUC: Temperature: 27F / -3C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. West winds 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph this evening.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Tuesday Night - (1 more message)

18:14 <bryanUC> too cold for this early in december

18:15 <MTughan> PHP was compiled without.

18:17 <bryanUC> hmm, it looks like since you compiled from source, you need to recompile --with-apxs2

18:17 <MTughan> Yeah, looking at that now.

18:18 <MTughan> It was installed using an automated installer, so I had to look up the reference file.

18:18 <MTughan> And turns out there's actually an option so I don't have to add it manually.

18:20 <bryanUC> cool

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18:45 <MTughan> Yeah! Got it working...

18:45 <MTughan> I needed that for another assignment.

18:46 <MTughan> Hey, what happened to all the TSP WUs anyway?

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18:52 <PovAddict> bk

18:53 <Tank_Master> MT: his wating for them to all come back

18:53 <Tank_Master> then we move into production

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19:04 <zombie67> good news:  my two new Q6600 machines have run stable for several days, and I just OC them both from 2.4 to 2.7.  They appear to be running quite stable.  I'll let them go for a couple days, before pushing further.

19:05 <Tank_Master> congrats

19:05 <zombie67> bad news:  HW heater replaced today, which forced me to shut down 10 machines in the garage.  The circuit breaker was already on the hairy edge and I didn't want their power tools tripping it.

19:05 <zombie67> so I lost ~3 hours of crunching for the race.

19:05 <Tank_Master> ouch

19:07 <zombie67> looks like I top out at ~23k running 100% WCG (+3-4k on my PS3 for ps3grid & yoyo)

19:07 <zombie67>

19:07 <Romulus> <> (at

19:08 <zombie67> if you look at the daily numbers, you can see the impact of the 2x Q6600

19:08 <PovAddict> wow did you have a cpid split before 11-26?

19:08 <zombie67> no

19:08 <PovAddict> or what the heck was that

19:09 <zombie67> why?

19:09 <zombie67> that is when my share for WCH went from <1% to 100%

19:09 <PovAddict> ohh that's for a single project...

19:09 <PovAddict> :P

19:09 <zombie67> for the race

19:09 <zombie67> the team of me is still #7 of 102!

19:10 <PovAddict> any chance of pwning halimedia?

19:10 <zombie67>

19:10 <Romulus> <> (at

19:10 <zombie67> not with running only WCG.

19:11 <PovAddict>;645414.gif

19:11 <Romulus> <> (at

19:12 <zombie67> halimedia runs 100% SETI w/ optimized app

19:12 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:12 <zombie67> If I did the same, I would catch him

19:12 <zombie67> that comparison chart shows me starting to drop back, with only WCG

19:13 <Tank_Master> not suprising

19:13 <Tank_Master> givin how low the credits are

19:13 <zombie67> after the race, I am going to go heavy on RS, that should help, esp. if they have a mac app by then!

19:14 <MTughan> Nice... You have more than 3x as many credits as the second person on WCG...

19:14 <MTughan> In your team.

19:14 <PovAddict> 3x?

19:14 <zombie67> yeah.  Like I said, a team of "me" on WCG

19:14 <PovAddict> &math calc 446051 / 90928

19:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: 4.90554064755

19:15 <PovAddict> almost 5x

19:15 <MTughan> What I looked at:

19:15 <Romulus> <> (at

19:15 <zombie67> It is even worse when you look at the daily rate (not rac)

19:15 <Romulus> <> (at

19:15 <MTughan> &math calc 2966905 / 905699

19:15 <Romulus> MTughan: 3.27581790418

19:15 <PovAddict> !

19:15 <zombie67> 51x

19:16 <Tank_Master> lol

19:16 <PovAddict> &math calc 22920 / 448

19:16 <Romulus> PovAddict: 51.1607142857

19:16 <PovAddict> XD

19:16 <Tank_Master> cant you do any better?

19:16 <zombie67> the only way better, would be if they had ps3 app

19:16 <zombie67> I guess I could add by PII and get another 20/day....

19:17 <Tank_Master> hehe

19:18 <zombie67> anyone get any LHC last night?

19:18 <PovAddict> I got some...

19:18 <PovAddict> currently doing RS

19:18 <xcamel> 'lo

19:19 <PovAddict> hey xcamel

19:19 <Tank_Master> I got 1 WU

19:20 <Tank_Master> took a wapping 1.7 sec to

19:20 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

19:21 <zombie67> docking should be back up soon

19:21 <zombie67> probably after the break

19:21 <Tank_Master> good

19:22 <zombie67> so many good projects out there.

19:25 <Tank_Master> yep

19:41 <MTughan> o_O iStat Menus has a world time location of Omicron Persei 8...

19:41 <MTughan> lol, it just says Jan 1, 3000.

19:41 <Tank_Master> ?

19:42 <MTughan> It's a world in Futurama.

19:42 <Tank_Master> oh

19:42 <Tank_Master> right...

19:44 <PovAddict> lol

19:46 <MTughan>

19:46 <Romulus> <> (at

19:47 <zombie67> Lur

19:48 <MTughan> Nice... Look at the logo. :P

19:48 <Romulus> Title: PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor (at

19:48 <PovAddict> they did that other years iirc

19:49 <MTughan> Hey, any news on PHP6?

19:49 <PovAddict> oh, lots

19:49 <PovAddict> just not on the main php site

19:49 <MTughan> So I noticed.

19:51 <PovAddict>

19:51 <Romulus> <> (at

19:51 <MTughan> Meh. PHP is nice and all, but I still like Perl.

19:52 <MTughan> I don't know Python or Ruby.

19:52 <PovAddict> interesting j2ee isn't on the list at all :P

19:52 <MTughan> Know why? Because NO ONE USES IT!

19:52 <PovAddict> could be :)

19:52 <MTughan> Well, not enough compared to even Perl.

19:52 <MTughan> Let alone PHP.

19:53 <PovAddict> ASP isn't there either

19:53 <PovAddict> not even ASP.NET

19:53 <MTughan> Hehe... TAKE THAT MICROSOFT!!!

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19:54 <MTughan> 'lo e

19:54 <PovAddict> what about ColdFusion?

19:54 <PovAddict> XDD

19:54 <MTughan> ...

19:54 <efc> hey

19:54 <PovAddict> do you even know what ColdFusion is?

19:54 <MTughan> Yeah, Adobe crap.

19:54 <Tank_Master> lol

19:55 <efc> Pons & Fleishman

19:55 <MTughan> I know Dreamweaver is a graphical HTML editor.

19:56 <PovAddict> "Ruby is really good at building those apps that have already been built before. PHP is good at finding out what the next Wordpress is."

19:56 <MTughan> Hmm... What about AJAX? xD

19:58 <PovAddict>

19:58 <Romulus> Title: PHP6 (at

19:59 <MTughan> Thanks, I'll look it over a bit later.

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20:37 <efc> &math convert 60 acres to roods

20:37 <Romulus> efc: Error: roods is not a valid unit.

20:38 <efc> &math convert 60 acres to homesteads

20:38 <Romulus> efc: 0.375

20:38 <MTughan> &math convert 60 acres to rods

20:38 <MTughan> ?

20:38 <MTughan> Rommie?

20:38 <MTughan> &ping

20:38 <MTughan> Damn, there goes my Internet again...

20:38 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: unit categories did not match

20:38 <Romulus> pong

20:38 <MTughan> Okay, I'm back.

20:38 <efc> the rod is a linear measure

20:38 <MTughan> I've never heard of a rod.

20:39 <PovAddict> MTughan: your last messages came all together

20:39 <MTughan> Or a homestead.

20:39 <MTughan> Yeah, I know.

20:39 <PovAddict> dinner ->

20:39 <MTughan> Bye.

20:39 <efc> probably from the homestead act

20:39 <MTughan> Yes, well that's American history.

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21:18 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

21:18 <Tank_Master> &more

21:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 56.8F / 13.8C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Rain in the evening...then showers after midnight. Windy this evening with south wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 45 mph. Wind becoming southwest 15 to 20 mph shortly before midnight. Lows around 50.; Tuesday - Showers likely. Highs (1 more message)

21:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: around 55. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.; Tuesday Night - Showers likely. Lows around 40. West wind 5 to 15 mph.; Areal Flood Warning for Washington County in effect until 1:30 PM PST on December 04, 2007; Areal Flood Watch for Washington County in effect until 7:00 AM PST on December 05, 2007; Wind Advisory for Washington County in effect until 10:00 PM PST on December 03, 2007;

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22:00 <MTughan> &math calc 2 ** 52

22:00 <Romulus> MTughan: 4503599627370496

22:01 <Tank_Master> small number

22:01 <MTughan> lol

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22:18 <MTughan> Whoa... Lots of updates to TSP...

22:18 <Tank_Master> ?

22:19 <MTughan> SVN.

22:19 <Tank_Master> ahh

22:19 <MTughan> Heh... I have my Makefile package the apps, I should have it upload it to FTP too...

22:20 <MTughan> PovAddict: Can curl upload files?

22:20 <PovAddict> yeah

22:21 <PovAddict> curl --manual | less #you HAVE to pipe it to less, or your console scrollback won't handle it all :P

22:21 <PovAddict> search -T

22:21 <MTughan> Well, I don't have to pipe it. My console window scrolls.

22:22 <PovAddict> curl -T localfile ftp://whatever/directory/ (last slash important)

22:26 <MTughan> Oh, I like that... Any other ways of passing username and password besides on the URL?

22:26 <MTughan> Also, any way to suppress the output?

22:26 <PovAddict> -s for silent

22:27 <MTughan> And username/password? Just on the URL?

22:27 <PovAddict> I think yeah only way...

22:27 <MTughan> All right.

22:30 <MTughan> Okay, that's just awesome...

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23:06 <MTughan> Hey, PovAddict: Cori wants a Christmas WU for IMPFarm. :P

23:06 <Tank_Master> lol

23:06 <MTughan>

23:06 <Romulus> <> (at

23:06 <PovAddict> well there was an idea on povray.general about a team work making a xmas image

23:06 <PovAddict> no much interest

23:09 <MTughan> Shoot... What is it called when you get three goals in a game of hockey?

23:11 <Tank_Master> hat trick

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23:11 <MTughan> Yes, that's it... Thank you.

23:11 <Tank_Master> mw!

23:11 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin

23:11 <mweltin> hey

23:11 <mweltin> how is the fast lane?

23:12 <Tank_Master> flowing down stream quick

23:12 <Tank_Master> I-5 is closed

23:12 <Tank_Master> as are most of the raods over the coastal range

23:12 <mweltin> what for?

23:13 <Tank_Master> river over the road

23:13 <Tank_Master> down trees

23:13 <Tank_Master> mud slides, you name it

23:13 <mweltin> at least it's not sonw.

23:13 <Tank_Master> lol

23:14 <Tank_Master> the worlds tallest Sitka spruce has fallen

23:14 <mweltin> crap

23:14 <mweltin> I went there too

23:14 <Tank_Master> it was 700 years old

23:14 <Tank_Master> same here

23:14 <Tank_Master> meny times

23:14 <mweltin> they just finished the nice park sign near it too a few years ago.

23:15 <Tank_Master> lol

23:15 <Tank_Master> yeah

23:15 <Tank_Master> the trunk it still there

23:15 <mweltin> that sucks

23:15 <Tank_Master> but no top

23:15 <Tank_Master> its all over the place

23:15 <MTughan> mweltin: What were all the updates in TSP SVN for?

23:15 <mweltin> how did portland take it?

23:15 <mweltin> me trying to figure out what the hell I'm doing with the GA

23:16 <Tank_Master>

23:16 <Romulus> <> (at

23:16 <mweltin> I changed the RNG and its having wide reaching effects.

23:16 <Tank_Master> not to bad

23:16 <Tank_Master> mostly just rain

23:16 <MTughan> I noticed an update with bruteForce.cpp too.

23:16 <mweltin> really?

23:16 <MTughan> Yeah.

23:16 <mweltin> was it me/

23:16 <mweltin> ?

23:16 <MTughan> Wasn't me.

23:16 <mweltin> do you konw how to look at svn log entires?

23:17 <MTughan> Nope.

23:17 <mweltin> never mind I dont' have time for it.

23:17 <Tank_Master> lol

23:17 <mweltin> I neeed this GA done soon.

23:17 <MTughan> Okay.

23:17 <Tank_Master> ga?

23:17 <mweltin> I had a great idea to save time on the burt eforce

23:17 <mweltin> genetic algorithm.

23:17 <MTughan> Genetic Algorithm, isn't it?

23:17 <mweltin> yea

23:17 <Tank_Master> ahh

23:17 <Tank_Master> gl

23:17 <PovAddict> svn help log

23:18 <MTughan> How about this for a last name? "Dykxhoorn"

23:18 <PovAddict> "svn log" alone gives useful stuff already

23:18 <mweltin> yeah the bruteforce thing

23:18 <mweltin> I hate it when header files call header files

23:18 <mweltin> so I was just cleaning that up.

23:19 <Tank_Master> MW: we got hit by the remains of 3 typhoons in 2 dyas

23:19 <mweltin> had to make a change in the bruteForce.cpp to allow for some of the changes I made.

23:19 <Tank_Master> bay city hit 129 mph gust

23:19 <mweltin> Tank_Master that sounds not good.

23:19 <Tank_Master> no

23:19 <MTughan> You want new apps?

23:19 <Romulus> <> (at

23:20 <Tank_Master> we here in the vally had about 6" or rain in 2 days

23:21 <mweltin> we got 1.5" in an hour just the other day.

23:21 <mweltin> F'n crazy how much rain that is.

23:21 <mweltin> monsoon passed over AS

23:22 <Tank_Master> might have been what hit us

23:22 <Tank_Master> parts of the coast got over 12"

23:26 <mweltin> &seen rubicks120

23:26 <Romulus> mweltin: I have not seen rubicks120.

23:27 <PovAddict> &seen rubiks120

23:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: rubiks120 was last seen in #boinc 6 hours, 30 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <rubiks120> ok, I will

23:27 <mweltin> thanks

23:29 <PovAddict> fucking spammer

23:29 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

23:29 <PovAddict>

23:29 <Romulus> <> (at

23:29 * PovAddict notes wdsmia's script doesn't like the word "spammer"

23:29 <MTughan> Holy sh*t...

23:29 <PovAddict> or...

23:29 <mweltin> LOL

23:29 <PovAddict> he changed the CSS he used to hide the spam

23:29 <PovAddict> so my script wasn't deleting it

23:30 <MTughan> I agree with your swearing in this case...

23:32 <PovAddict> deleting

23:33 <PovAddict>

23:39 <PovAddict> spam removed

23:39 <PovAddict> Getting search page...done.

23:39 <PovAddict> 0 pages fetched

23:39 <PovAddict> Sleeping for 24 seconds...

23:41 * wdsmia doesn't like spammers and isnt to crazy about pov

23:44 <mweltin> what Pov is a crazy spammer

23:44 <mweltin> thats a little hard don't you think wdsmia

23:44 <MTughan> No, the language.

23:44 <MTughan> Did you need new Mac apps for TSP?

23:44 <mweltin> not yet

23:44 <mweltin> but thanks for asking

23:44 <MTughan> Okay.

23:46 <PovAddict>

23:46 <Romulus> <> (at

23:48 <MTughan> Hey, Manitoulin Island...

23:49 <PovAddict> that page makes your head hurt

23:49 <PovAddict> Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island

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