00:00 <Tank_Master> once BOINCStats comes back up I can readd TSP
00:01 <mweltin> I wonder who that was.
00:01 <mweltin> someone said the were going to drop
00:01 <mweltin> maybe wdsmia
00:01 <Tank_Master> MAC and I droped TSP for other races
00:02 <Tank_Master> I will be droping it again between xmas and a week after NYs
00:02 <Tank_Master> gaa, zombie, not MAC
00:02 <Tank_Master> I keep doing that, dont I?
00:03 <zombie67> Hah! I just checked my spreadsheet, and I had already updated TSP to be Beta and work available = yes. I just made the update to production.
00:04 <mweltin> nice
00:04 <zombie67> TM: you are going to do the 10day?
00:04 <mweltin> thanks
00:04 <Tank_Master> dunno yet
00:04 <mweltin> I'm gonna email Anderson soon. He asked I do when I reach production.
00:04 <Tank_Master> it depends on our other engaements
00:04 <Tank_Master> probably so he can add it to the BOINC page and the BOINC client
00:05 <mweltin> oohhhh added to the boinc client?
00:05 <mweltin> that would be cool
00:05 <Tank_Master> hehe
00:05 <zombie67> mweltin: what is the status of mac apps?
00:05 <Tank_Master> on that list when you want to add a new project...
00:06 <mweltin> they are all up to date.
00:06 <zombie67> cool
00:06 <mweltin> MTughan, stays up on that. He is a good guy.
00:07 <zombie67> when I get back, I am going to change my approach
00:07 <Tank_Master> for TSP?
00:07 <zombie67> used to be attached to ALL projects, and just adjust %s
00:07 <zombie67> for at least a while, I will focus on just a few
00:07 <Tank_Master> ahh
00:07 <Tank_Master> yeah
00:08 <zombie67> TSP, RS, POEM, MW
00:08 <zombie67> and if docking comes back, that too
00:08 <mweltin> nice
00:08 <mweltin> what is poem
00:08 <zombie67> protein
00:08 <mweltin> ahhh
00:09 <Romulus> Title: POEM@HOME (at boinc.fzk.de)
00:09 <zombie67> another project with good project management, that communicates well, and uses fixed credits
00:09 <Tank_Master> POEM@HOME implements a novel approach to understand these aspects of protein structure, which lends itself very well to worldwide distributed computing. The scientific approach behind POEM@HOME is a computational realization of the thermodynamic hypothesis that won C. B. Anfinsen the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1972.
00:10 <zombie67> a lot like TSP
00:10 <mweltin> thanks, that was nice to hear
00:10 <Tank_Master> dose poem haf a chat room?
00:10 <zombie67> But I *REALLY* want a prime # attached to my name!
00:11 <Tank_Master> only TSP's admin chats ;)
00:11 <zombie67> too true!
00:11 <Tank_Master> lol
00:11 <mweltin> everyone else is busy with a real job.
00:11 <Tank_Master> and serfs, way cool
00:11 <zombie67> not true!
00:11 <zombie67> yoyo also chats!
00:11 <Tank_Master> true
00:11 <Tank_Master> true
00:12 <zombie67> and POV
00:12 <Tank_Master> but not at the same time as us normally
00:12 <zombie67> TM, yoyo is here in the AM and after you go to bead
00:12 <Tank_Master> cept POV cant keep any of his projects running long
00:12 <Tank_Master> I know
00:12 <zombie67> TM: he set that up just to play with the BOINC SW
00:12 <Tank_Master> and his net was down the last 2 days
00:14 <zombie67> mweltin: you get the "biggest balls" award for running a BOINC project off of a laptop and over (essentially) dial-up. Bravo!
00:14 <zombie67> :)
00:14 <Tank_Master> lol
00:14 <Tank_Master> and for pringing the internet for your entier country to its knees
00:14 <mweltin> hahahahaha
00:15 <mweltin> my web stats are off the wall for this little rock.
00:16 <mweltin> bob.myisland.as/webalizer
00:16 <Romulus> Title: Usage Statistics for bob - Last 12 Months (at bob.myisland.as)
00:17 <zombie67> Is Oct > Nov because of all the small WUs you used to send?
00:17 <mweltin> yes
00:17 <mweltin> the big deal is the index page.
00:17 <mweltin> I don't count the cgi pages
00:23 <zombie67> wasn't renderfarm another of POV's?
00:23 <Tank_Master> yes
00:23 <mweltin> that sounds right
00:24 <Tank_Master> one of the projects I am #1 in
00:24 <zombie67> TSP is still smaller
00:24 <Tank_Master> that and TSP
00:24 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Statistics for the WORLD (at www.boincsynergy.com)
00:24 <zombie67> TM: Not if POV ressurects it!
00:24 <mweltin> I only have like 700 users.
00:24 <Tank_Master> lol
00:25 <zombie67> Then I get to add my IMP credits, and addmore!
00:26 <zombie67> so how old was POV when he did renderfarm? 9?
00:27 <Tank_Master> I dont know
00:27 <Tank_Master> it was just last year
00:27 <zombie67> it ended just last year
00:27 <mweltin> he hacked the ultrasound machine and started in in-vitro
00:27 <Tank_Master> have you guys read the seaworth comics?
00:28 <Romulus> Title: Seaworthy: A High Seas Adventure Comic (at www.seaworthycomic.com)
00:28 <zombie67> project length was sept-jan
00:29 <Tank_Master> he eported some of the work into BURP
00:29 <zombie67> brb
00:29 <Tank_Master> k
00:33 <BadBarbarian> howdy all
00:33 <Tank_Master> BB!
00:33 <Tank_Master> hows it going?
00:33 <mweltin> hey barbar
00:33 <zombie67> new to me, but I'll add it to my daily comic list
00:33 <zombie67> hi BB
00:33 <BadBarbarian> good
00:34 <Tank_Master> he dosent come out with them daily
00:34 <Tank_Master> and he's also a memeber of my team ;)
00:34 <BadBarbarian> lol barbar is great
00:34 <Tank_Master> hehe
00:34 <BadBarbarian> hows the wet in portland
00:35 <Tank_Master> i-5 is still shut down
00:35 <Tank_Master> but its much better
00:35 <Tank_Master> my road is no longer flooded
00:35 <BadBarbarian> cool
00:35 <Tank_Master> its got lots of muck in it though
00:37 <zombie67> brb. switching machines
00:37 <Tank_Master> gl
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00:38 <BadBarbarian> lol your choise
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00:40 <zombie67> ooo! Angus is getting feisty!
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00:47 <zombie67> mweltin: are the apps you send to 64 bit hosts really 64 bit? or 32 bit?
00:48 <mweltin> crunch3r built them, I assume they are true 64bit apps. Otherwise whats the point.
00:49 <zombie67> cool. both win and linux?
00:49 <zombie67> speaking of crunch3r, where's he been? It's been weeks since I have seem him on irc
00:49 <mweltin> yes
00:49 <mweltin> I never see him here.
00:50 <zombie67> cool. updating my spreadsheet
00:50 <mweltin> &seen crunch3r
00:50 <Romulus> mweltin: crunch3r was last seen in #boinc 3 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <crunch3r> "Now can you beat unoptimized GCC code..." <--- i can ... just need to enable ipo... the one i did is not very optimized at all ...
00:50 <zombie67> he is a team member of seti.usa, same as TM. he used to show up there.
00:50 <zombie67> seti.usa has an irc channel
00:51 <zombie67> irc://irc.icq.net/#team_seti.usa
00:51 <zombie67> did you hear about NQueens?
00:51 <mweltin> no what happened there.
00:59 <mweltin> what does that mean for the previous boards?
01:00 <mweltin> and If you have an expected result what are you looking for?
01:01 <Tank_Master> cookies
01:01 <Tank_Master> beer n tits
01:03 <mweltin> what is the start to a perfect day, Alex.
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01:04 <Tank_Master> yo yoyo!
01:04 <yoyo[RKN]> moin moin
01:04 <mweltin> hey you yo
01:08 <Tank_Master> hey Z
01:10 <zombie67> yo
01:10 <zombie67> yoyo
01:10 <Tank_Master> MAC gonna play with us in the WCG races ;)
01:10 <zombie67> how's evo mac coming along?
01:11 <zombie67> TM: really?
01:11 <Tank_Master> yep
01:11 <yoyo[RKN]> mac version does not run, dont know why
01:11 <Tank_Master> dunno yet if we are in the 10day race or not
01:12 <yoyo[RKN]> I must contact the author
01:12 <zombie67> it would be good to put Easynews in their place
01:13 <yoyo[RKN]> you mean me? I have no news
01:16 <Tank_Master> now WCG is down?
01:16 <zombie67> no, getting mac (team.seti) to join the WCG race
01:17 <zombie67> no, wcg is up
01:17 <Tank_Master> not really timing out either...
01:17 <zombie67> maybe just the home page is stuck
01:18 <Tank_Master> no, that one to
01:18 <Tank_Master> maybe its my isp...
01:20 <Tank_Master> odd
01:20 <Tank_Master> its still spinning its wheels
01:20 <Tank_Master> not loading, not timing out
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01:23 <Tank_Master> it finally loaded
01:23 <Tank_Master> Error
01:23 <Tank_Master> The application is unavailable at this time, please try again later.
01:23 <Tank_Master> Your action has resulted in an error.
01:31 <zombie67> bs and wcg are loading lightning fast for me
01:32 <Tank_Master> wcg is working now
01:32 <Tank_Master> not sure what the prob was
01:37 <mweltin> I had a hard time wiht irc, ssh, and a IM today.
01:37 <mweltin> my isp asked me which sites I couldn't get to.
01:37 <mweltin> techsupport sucks here.
01:39 <Tank_Master> lol
01:41 <mweltin> he said if my browser was working my internte was up.
01:42 <mweltin> and I had to explain that there is more to the internet than just port 80
01:42 <Tank_Master> lol
01:42 <Tank_Master> "oh
01:42 <Tank_Master> "
01:43 <mweltin> I'm glad you see the humor in that because I didn't.
01:43 <mweltin> thank god ssh and irc started working on their own.
01:43 <mweltin> brb
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01:47 <Tank_Master> :)
01:47 <mweltin> b
01:47 <Tank_Master> WB
01:50 <mweltin> trying to fix a avi for my gf now.
01:50 <Tank_Master> lol
01:50 <mweltin> sometimes it doesn't pay to know how computers work.
01:50 <Tank_Master> gl
01:51 <zombie67> VLC
01:52 <Tank_Master> ?
01:53 <mweltin> anything
01:53 <Tank_Master> vlc?
01:53 <mweltin> a friend sent a copy of bable ripped to an avi
01:53 <mweltin> and no sub-titles
01:53 <zombie67> VLC will play ANYTHING
01:53 <mweltin> yeah, but you hvae more control with mplayer
01:53 <Romulus> Title: VLC media player - Overview (at www.videolan.org)
01:53 <mweltin> I have vlc
01:53 <mweltin> I like mplayer more
01:56 <mweltin> where are fonts on a linux box?
01:58 <Tank_Master> gn
01:59 <Tank_Master> mw: on the HD
02:00 <mweltin> I have an EEPROM that fonts writes to the cpu cache, I forgot about that.
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02:11 <mweltin> have you seen jesus camp?
02:11 <mweltin> I don't like where this is going.
02:14 <mweltin> just finished replacing the the RNG for the project.
02:16 <zombie67> I avoid mocumentories
02:17 <zombie67> rng?
02:17 <mweltin> random number generator
02:17 <zombie67> ah
02:17 <zombie67> the non-open source one
02:18 <mweltin> I replaced an old one that i wasn't sure about, with a new one that is open source
02:18 <mweltin> BSD license.
02:21 <mweltin> nice
02:21 <mweltin> tahnks zombie67
02:22 <zombie67> no probl
02:23 <zombie67> few people even know know of my page anyway.
02:23 <zombie67> oh yeah, I put something on my dl page for you, it's the zip file.
02:23 <Romulus> Title: "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken (at web.mac.com)
02:24 <mweltin> ohhh
02:25 <mweltin> jessica Alba.zip ?
02:25 <zombie67> ja
02:25 <mweltin> snap!
02:25 <mweltin> nice pic
02:27 <zombie67> ah, the couple of JA images?
02:27 <zombie67> no way you dl the whole 50mb file that fast
02:27 <mweltin> I love the wall paper
02:27 <mweltin> I checked the preview
02:28 <zombie67> ah! the batgirl image
02:28 <zombie67> yeah that is rockin
02:49 <mweltin> 14MB down
02:50 <mweltin> &seen PovAddict
02:50 <Romulus> mweltin: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 3 hours, 1 minute, and 23 seconds ago: <PovAddict> Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island
02:53 <mweltin> the synergy guys wrote back and will change the status of TSP soon.
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04:35 * CoderForLife sniffs the air
04:36 <CoderForLife> I smell snow
04:36 <PriitM> I smell dirty snow
04:36 <CoderForLife> heh
04:37 <CoderForLife> morning PriitM
04:37 <PriitM> good morning :)
04:37 <PriitM> 11.37 here
04:37 <PriitM> AM
04:41 <CoderForLife> 4:39am here
04:41 <PriitM> someone was looking for badass gift - 32MB MP3 player :>
04:44 <PriitM> Ouch, price difference between my country shops and USA shops are like 15$ and the item is like 40$
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04:45 <pattern> i've been getting an "HTTP file not found" and "Message from server: No work sent" from the seti@home project since dec 2nd... more of my log here: http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/4041/boincpc2.png
04:46 <pattern> is there something wrong with the seti@home project? or is this likely to be a problem on my end?
04:47 <PriitM> I downloaded some work on Dec 4
04:48 <PriitM> I don't think it's project problem, I downloaded some work 4 hours ago
04:49 <pattern> hmm
04:49 <CoderForLife> project seems to be working to me, also
04:50 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast
04:52 <pattern> is there something i could read about possible avenues of troubleshooting i should be exploring on my end given these kinds of error messages?
04:53 <pattern> or some typical problem on my end that could be causing this?
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05:02 <CoderForLife> b
05:03 <CoderForLife> pattern, you could try somthing like http://www.boinc-wiki.info/index.php?title=Troubleshooting_Network_Problems
05:04 <pattern> thanks, coder
05:04 <CoderForLife> np, hth
05:04 * CoderForLife munches on breakfast, watching it snow
05:10 * PriitM wonders if he can build device to listen wireless keyboards
05:11 <PriitM> it would be pretty fun if you could see what your neighbor is typing :P
05:13 <CoderForLife> maybe, but the other parts of being in the KGB aren't so fun
05:14 <PriitM> luckily enough we don't have KGB, we got KAPO here :)
05:14 <PriitM> but i belive they're bad too :P
05:15 <CoderForLife> runs in the family, I reckon
05:15 * CoderForLife yawns
05:15 <PriitM> ahh, this is unusual
05:15 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
05:15 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 31.6°F / -0.2°C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.60in / 1002.3hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Snow...ending by late afternoon. Total accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Highs in the mid 30s. East winds 10 to 15 mph... becoming north with gusts up to 30 mph this afternoon. Chance of snow 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the (1 more message)
05:15 <PriitM> sun shines so nicely onto my screen
05:16 <CoderForLife> &more
05:16 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 15. North winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...decreasing to around 5 mph after midnight.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. Light northeast winds...becoming light southeast winds in the afternoon.; Snow Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 4:00 PM EST on December 05, 2007;
05:16 <PriitM> wonderful sight
05:16 <PriitM> &weather tallinn
05:16 <Romulus> PriitM: Temperature: 34Â°F / 1Â°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 11:50 AM EET; Chance of Rain. High:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 ° F. / 3 ° C.; Rain. High:46 ° F. / 8 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Rain. High:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Rain. Low:35 ° F. / 2 ° C.;
05:21 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#% - cya soon
05:26 <PriitM> w0rk? :P
05:26 <PriitM> work
05:26 <PriitM> pfft, i thought it was censored
06:06 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Crazy driver TIR on Poland (at youtube.com)
07:12 <Romulus> Title: LiveLeak.com - Car chase ends in Death (at www.liveleak.com)
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09:21 <BiteAbleKat> &weather 98404
09:21 <Romulus> BiteAbleKat: Temperature: 43.3°F / 6.3°C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022.2hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers. Highs near 50. Southwest wind around 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the 30s. West wind around 10 mph in the evening becoming light.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower to mid 40s. (1 more message)
09:22 <BiteAbleKat> &more
09:22 <Romulus> BiteAbleKat: North wind around 10 mph.;
09:38 <PovAddict> PriitM: you "thought" it was censored? just wait for freelarry to get you for spelling the word in full
10:01 <BadBarbarian> m
10:01 <BadBarbarian> Morning
10:25 <Tank_Master> mornin
10:25 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007
10:26 <Tank_Master> &more
10:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 44.4°F / 6.9°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021.6hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Areas of fog in the morning. Highs around 50. Light wind.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 35 to 40. Light wind.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs around 45. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Flood Warning for (1 more message)
10:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Washington County in effect until 4:00 AM PST on December 08, 2007;
10:26 <BadBarbarian> morning tank
10:26 <BadBarbarian> talking with fish in the other room
10:28 <Tank_Master> obniously ;)
10:37 <quail> morning all, how are we all?
10:38 <Tank_Master> not to bad
10:38 * quail can't sleep so he thought he'd drop in an say hi :-)
10:38 <Romulus> Title: Interstate 5 near Chehalis shut down indefinitely | KATU.com - Portland, Oregon | News (at www.katu.com)
10:38 <Tank_Master> better than some folk out there
10:39 <quail> :-)
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14:03 <PovAddict> 99.555% CPDN
14:03 <PovAddict> omg!
14:07 <yoyo[RKN]> the evo app is beta, to set it to normal I must update app set beta =0 ?
14:08 <PovAddict> yes
14:08 <PovAddict> and restart feeder
14:09 <yoyo[RKN]> is there a file which I can touch to restart feeder?
14:09 <PovAddict> oh yea, but I dont remember the name
14:09 <yoyo[RKN]> i will search in trac
14:09 <PovAddict> reread_db
14:10 <PovAddict> touch reread_db on the project root dir and the feeder will re-read app and app_versions
14:10 <PovAddict> (update_versions touches that file)
14:10 <yoyo[RKN]> ok
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14:12 <mweltin> so why are there 37 names listed but only 5-10 ever are here.
14:12 <PovAddict> welcome to IRC
14:12 <PovAddict> #ubuntu usually has close to a thousand people
14:12 <yoyo[RKN]> welcome to idle channel
14:13 <PovAddict> it's more chatty than others, but *definitely* not all 1000 are talking
14:13 <PovAddict> try idlerpg
14:13 <PovAddict> basic rules: if you talk on the channel, you lose; the more time you are in the channel, the more points you get
14:14 <PovAddict> everything else happens automatically
14:15 <mweltin> haha
14:19 <PriitM> idle channels indeed are useful
14:32 <yoyo[RKN]> in the project management is a function Clear Host .... [clear RPC]. what is it for?
14:33 <PovAddict> I dunno
14:33 <PovAddict> so don't touch
14:33 <mweltin> I don't either sorry.
14:33 <PovAddict> Don't Press The Red Button
14:33 <yoyo[RKN]> lol
14:33 <Romulus> Title: Do not push the red button (at www.i-am-bored.com)
14:35 <yoyo[RKN]> this is done: mysql_query("update host set rpc_time=0 where id='$hostid'");
14:37 <mweltin> what is rpc time?
14:40 <yoyo[RKN]> dont know
14:40 <mweltin> i recomend the moive "hot rod"
14:40 <mweltin> I have only seen 15min of it and its great.
14:45 <TM-Work> hey
14:45 <TM-Work> mw!
14:45 <TM-Work> yo yoyo!
14:46 <mweltin> hey TANK
14:46 <yoyo[RKN]> hi tank
14:47 <TM-Work> sup?
14:49 <mweltin> not much going on
14:49 <mweltin> hvae you seen hot rod?
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15:03 <TMatWork> ugg, that was defently the wrong comp to turn off
15:03 <TMatWork> anywho, lunch time! ;)
15:24 <mweltin> ok I'm not done yet,but "Hot Rod" is AWESOME!!!
15:24 <mweltin> rent it, rip it, steal it, whatever you do just see it!
15:26 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
15:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 26.9°F / -2.8°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; This Afternoon - A chance of snow with intermittent sleet. Total accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Highs in the mid 30s. North winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the (1 more message)
15:26 <CoderForLife> &more
15:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 15. North winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...decreasing to around 5 mph after midnight.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. Light northeast winds...becoming light southeast winds in the afternoon.; Snow Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 4:00 PM EST on December 05, 2007;
15:28 <MTughan> Hmm... Who flashed me earlier?
15:28 <CoderForLife> interesting http://www.happynews.com/news/1252007/electricity-revives-bali-coral-reefs.htm
15:28 <mweltin> not me
15:29 <MTughan> 'lo CFL, mweltin
15:29 <CoderForLife> hey
15:29 <mweltin> hey
15:29 <MTughan> lol
15:29 <mweltin> dude watch Hot Rod, its a wonderful moive.
15:29 <MTughan> Hot Rod?
15:30 <Romulus> Title: Hot Rod (2007) (at www.imdb.com)
15:30 <MTughan> Ooo, Andy Samburg...
15:30 <mweltin> it's wonderful
15:30 <mweltin> I got tears watching it, and its not over yet.
15:56 <MTughan> brb
16:09 <Romulus> Title: Polar Bear SOS: Join NRDC's Campaign to Save the Polar Bears (at www.polarbearsos.org)
16:33 <mweltin> inline functions are had to deal with.
16:33 <MTughan> How about inline assembler? :P
16:34 <PriitM> <kow`> "There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't."
16:34 <PriitM> <SpaceRain> That's only 2 types of people, kow.
16:34 <PriitM> <SpaceRain> STUPID
16:34 <MTughan> Hehe... Trapped!
16:34 <MTughan> Yeah, that's a classic one.
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16:54 <mweltin> even with #ifndef's in the rng source file I can't avoid a multiple definition error with gcc.
16:54 <MTughan> Is it in SVN?
16:54 <mweltin> yes
16:55 <MTughan> What file?
16:55 <mweltin> its the GA I'm trying to build
16:55 <mweltin> the GNG builds no problem
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16:58 <MTughan> What is gaParser.o?
16:58 <PovAddict> you committed a .o to the svn? baad
16:59 <MTughan> No, he didn't.
16:59 <MTughan> He's trying to use it in his Makefile, but there's no corresponding source.
16:59 <PovAddict> is there any generic rule?
16:59 <PovAddict> like %.o: %.c
16:59 <MTughan> Nope.
17:00 <mweltin> mmmmm its not much of anything, justs prases the input file
17:01 <PovAddict> mweltin: your makefile refers to that .o but you aren't telling how to build it
17:01 <MTughan> Where's the source?
17:01 <MTughan> PovAddict: It's a work in progress.
17:02 <mweltin> in ../lib
17:02 <MTughan> Well, it wasn't committed to SVN then.
17:02 <MTughan> I just did an update and it's not there.
17:03 <mweltin> its not in ../lib?
17:03 <mweltin> should be
17:04 <MTughan> Nope.
17:04 <mweltin> I just tried to commit and it's not in hte list
17:04 <mweltin> maybe I didn't add it.
17:04 <MTughan> I can tell you didn't. It's not downloading.
17:04 <mweltin> ok just added it.
17:04 <PovAddict> use "svn status" to know if you have
17:05 <PovAddict> if it shows a questionmark, svn doesn't know about it
17:05 <mweltin> can committed
17:05 <MTughan> There we go.
17:05 <PovAddict> if it shows an A, it's Added, ready to be committed
17:06 <MTughan> I seem to have conflicting copies of MersenneTwister.cpp and MersenneTwister.h...
17:06 <PovAddict> hmm
17:06 <mweltin> yes I'ts a work in progress
17:07 <mweltin> delete the MerenneTwister.cpp
17:07 <PovAddict> MTughan: did you modify it/them?
17:07 <MTughan> Nice... Spotlight searches update automatically..
17:07 <mweltin> hte source distrobution comes as one large header file.
17:07 <MTughan> Oh wow...
17:07 <mweltin> i did since my last commit
17:07 <mweltin> I wanted to have them separated.
17:08 <mweltin> like I siad I'm having trouble.
17:08 <PovAddict> I mean if MTughan modified it, and you modified it, svn maybe can't merge both changes
17:08 <MTughan> "Restored 'src/lib/MersenneTwister.cpp'"
17:08 <PovAddict> so, conflict
17:08 <MTughan> I modified one thing, it was a slight mismatch between a signed and unsigned int.
17:08 <mweltin> look at MersenneTwister.h
17:08 <mweltin> it it has the cpp code just delete the MersenneTwister.cpp
17:09 <mweltin> all the functions are inline, and I think that is where all the trouble is coming from.
17:09 <mweltin> I had separate cpp and h files.
17:09 <MTughan> Seems so...
17:09 <MTughan> Now you're running into signed and unsigned ints again.
17:09 <MTughan> ../lib/MersenneTwister.h:449: error: prototype for 'void MTRand::randperm(std::vector<int, std::allocator<int> >&, int)' does not match any in class 'MTRand'
17:09 <MTughan> ../lib/MersenneTwister.h:119: error: candidate is: void MTRand::randperm(std::vector<int, std::allocator<int> >&, unsigned int)
17:10 <MTughan> Either that, or that's my mod...
17:10 <PovAddict> svn revert ../lib/MersenneTwister.h
17:10 <PovAddict> oh, use svn diff [filename] to know what changes you did
17:10 <MTughan> Doesn't matter, I should commit my changes anyway.
17:11 <PovAddict> you should check what they are too :)
17:11 <MTughan> ga.cpp needs to be modified, includes MersenneTwister.cpp.
17:11 <PovAddict> "svn diff" without extra arguments shows changes "recursively"
17:11 <MTughan> I know what change I made.
17:12 <mweltin> I made that change already
17:12 <MTughan> Okay, only one error now. What's -lidn?
17:12 <mweltin> ditch it
17:13 <MTughan> Builds fine here, nothing clashing.
17:13 <PovAddict> ok what should I try building?
17:13 <PovAddict> lib first?
17:13 <MTughan> mylib.cpp and gaParser.cpp.
17:14 <mweltin> GA
17:14 <PovAddict> a splode
17:14 <PovAddict> I gotta do my usual changes with the boinc lib
17:15 <PovAddict> redefinition errors
17:15 <mweltin> so ga.cpp and IndividualClass.cpp both call functions in MersenneTwister
17:15 <mweltin> yeah
17:15 <mweltin> from different objects.
17:15 <MTughan> Strange, I don't get them.
17:16 <PovAddict> you're including both the .cpp and the .h!
17:16 <MTughan> In ga.cpp, yep. Remove the cpp include.
17:16 <mweltin> well that was when I split them up.
17:17 <mweltin> I did already
17:17 <MTughan> Oh, those redefinition errors...
17:17 <mweltin> but it was the same thing
17:17 <MTughan> Hehe, right, that would cause it.
17:17 <PovAddict> ok I removed the .cpp include, and works
17:18 <mweltin> :q
17:18 <PovAddict> now I just remove a dozen -l switches that don't work on mingw
17:18 <PovAddict> and I got a ga.exe
17:19 <PovAddict> CoderForLife, quail, and anyone else interested: plink 18.104.22.168
17:19 <MTughan> Okay, i386 GA works in my custom Makefile.
17:19 <mweltin> where is this call to the .cpp
17:19 <MTughan> ga.cpp
17:20 <MTughan> #include "MersenneTwister.cpp"
17:20 <mweltin> I dropped that a line a while ago
17:20 <MTughan> It didn't get to SVN.
17:20 <mweltin> but still cna't build it.
17:20 <PovAddict> not on my version
17:20 <MTughan> Got an unused variable...
17:20 <PovAddict> plink 22.214.171.124 too (same attack)
17:21 <MTughan> Line 51, char output_path
17:21 <mweltin> I'll use it later
17:21 <MTughan> Okay...
17:21 <MTughan> And then two more warnings.
17:21 <mweltin> right now I just need a build
17:21 <MTughan> ./src/lib/MersenneTwister.h:457: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
17:21 <PovAddict> should I send you my ga.exe?
17:21 <MTughan> That's one I fixed...
17:21 <mweltin> no
17:22 <mweltin> its far from done
17:22 <MTughan> And...
17:22 <MTughan> src/lib/mylib.cpp:59: warning: no return statement in function returning non-void
17:22 <MTughan> src/lib/mylib.cpp:59: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
17:22 <mweltin> I need to figure out what is oging on here
17:22 <MTughan> Okay, that function is currently empty.
17:23 <mweltin> oh yeah, just a stub for now.
17:23 <MTughan> That's fine.
17:23 <MTughan> For the first warning, I had a fix before. Want me to make it and commit it?
17:24 <mweltin> sure
17:24 <mweltin> I have to run
17:24 <MTughan> Okay, see you.
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17:26 <MTughan> Done. PovAddict, you can grab it if you want.
17:26 <MTughan> Changed MersenneTwister.h.
17:30 <CoderForLife> somebody call me?
17:30 <CoderForLife> ah PovAddict
17:30 <CoderForLife> plinking
17:30 <MTughan> Yeah, two plinks.
17:31 <CoderForLife> ah and a 2nd
17:31 <CoderForLife> thx MT
17:31 <MTughan> np
17:31 <CoderForLife> evil
17:32 <MTughan> Trying to get free disk space?
17:32 <MTughan> Or not...
17:32 <PovAddict> if all those tests succeed, it means they have quite a bit of power, and they can easily throw a second script doing worse things
17:32 <CoderForLife> evil**2
17:33 <MTughan> Hmm...
17:33 <MTughan> &math calc evil ** 2
17:33 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: 'evil' is not a defined function.
17:33 <MTughan> >:D
17:33 * CoderForLife reveals his FORTRAN education
17:33 <PovAddict> this java code sucks
17:33 * CoderForLife sighs
17:34 <PovAddict> it has like
17:34 <PovAddict> 2 comments
17:34 <MTughan> Sounds like me...
17:34 <PovAddict> (out of 1400 lines)
17:34 <PovAddict> function names have ThisNamingScheme instead of thisOne
17:34 <MTughan> WTF?
17:34 <PovAddict> s/function/method/
17:34 <MTughan> Those are for class names, aren't they?
17:35 <PovAddict> both classes and methods are UsingThisCrap
17:35 <PovAddict> :-\
17:35 <MTughan> Ow...
17:35 <CoderForLife> yuck-ow
17:35 <PovAddict> the programmer clearly knows a lot of maths, but his mind is Windows-programming-corrupted
17:36 <MTughan> Even I'm not that bad...
17:36 <CoderForLife> brb -- changing out of street clothes since I don't need to go back out
17:36 <PovAddict> using uppercase on method names and starting interfaces with I (like ICodeProgress) is clearly a COM thing
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17:37 <MTughan> 'lo zombit
17:37 <MTughan> zombie*
17:37 <PovAddict> and the bad api... the C LZMA interface has like 4 different ways to use it...
17:37 <PovAddict> the java version can only take an InputStream and an OutputStream and then you lose your control over the program until it's done compressing/decompressing (like SAX when parsing)
17:39 <PovAddict> you could keep control by running the (en|de)coder on a separate thread, but...
17:40 * CoderForLife returns
17:40 <MTughan> wb
17:40 <CoderForLife> ty
17:41 <MTughan> You gotta love these acronyms...
17:43 <CoderForLife> I'm going to go fill out some forms that HR told me I was late in getting to them, but they never gave them to me until after I asked "what forms?"
17:43 <MTughan> lol
17:43 <CoderForLife> "I must have mistyped your name in the bulk e-mail"
17:43 <MTughan> Suuuure...
17:44 <PovAddict> "bulk"?
17:44 <CoderForLife> another induhvidual
17:44 <PovAddict> why would somebody send a "bulk" email and type email addresses by hand?!
17:44 <CoderForLife> we use Lotus Notes - it get *real* upset about trying to send to people that it doesn't know
17:45 <CoderForLife> all you have to do is type F-L-A-tab and it autofills my name
17:45 <Romulus> Title: Timeline - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
17:45 <CoderForLife> if you try to send to a typo, it barks at you
17:46 <CoderForLife> in other words, blame it on the technology
17:46 <CoderForLife> oh well, I'm in hurry-up-forms-mode
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17:46 <CoderForLife> laterz doodz
17:47 <PovAddict> o/
17:48 <MTughan> Hehe... .PHONY: all build_bf build_ga package_bf package_ga clean clean_bf clean_ga bf_i386 bf_i386_64 bf_ppc bf_ppc_64 update ga_i386 ga_i386_64 ga_ppc ga_ppc_64
17:48 <MTughan> Think I have enough targets? ^^
17:48 <PovAddict> no
17:48 <PovAddict> go look at gcc's makefile
17:48 <MTughan> Yes, but that's automade.
17:48 <MTughan> And TSP isn't anything nearly as big as GCC.
17:49 <PovAddict> look at the .am file then
17:49 <PovAddict> I think you need a configure script btw...
17:49 <MTughan> Me?
17:49 <PovAddict> yesh
17:49 <PovAddict> instead of different make targets
17:49 <MTughan> Why?
17:52 <MTughan> PovAddict?
17:52 <PovAddict> because it's how everybody does it...
17:54 <MTughan> But I'm often making for more than one architecture at a time.
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17:54 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.26in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low around 15. North wind near 5 mph shifting to the south after midnight.; Thursday - Snow. Snow accumulation of 3 to 4 inches. High in the lower 30s. South wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the afternoon. Chance of (1 more message)
17:55 <wdsmia> &more
17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: snow 90 percent.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of snow in the evening. Low in the mid 20s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Snow Advisory for Warren County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on December 06, 2007;
17:58 <MTughan> PovAddict: The .am file, right?
17:58 <PovAddict> MTughan: you don't really need to use autohell
17:58 <PovAddict> er
17:58 <PovAddict> autotools
17:59 <PovAddict> a configure script is no more than a shell script
17:59 <MTughan> I was wanting to take a look at GCC's Makefile.am, but there's none in there.
17:59 <MTughan> And I know what a configure script is.
17:59 <PovAddict> general idea is that your makefile includes another file, and the configure script creates that file, setting some variables the makefile uses
17:59 <PovAddict> it could also create a config.h, for stuff that changes in the code (mostly ifdefs)
18:00 <MTughan> Anyway, there's Makefile.def, Makefile.in, and Makefile.tpl.
18:00 <MTughan> After configure, there's Makefile.
18:00 <PovAddict> might be the .in then
18:00 <MTughan> # Makefile.in is generated from Makefile.tpl by 'autogen Makefile.def'.
18:00 <MTughan> I think that explains somewhat...
18:01 <PovAddict> maybe gcc isn't the best place to be learning about it :) it's not the most "normal" use of autotools, lots of special cases
18:01 <MTughan> Hehe...
18:01 <MTughan> I've got company anyway, will see you all later. My Makefile works just fine for now.
18:01 <MTughan> In fact... I should look at getting MinGW back on, and maybe some other platforms. BSD?
18:03 <MTughan> You're doing the Windows apps right now, right?
18:03 <PovAddict> yeah
18:03 <MTughan> I know mweltin's doing the Linux apps, I'm doing the Mac apps...
18:03 <MTughan> That leaves a custom crunch3r build it looks like and FreeBSD.
18:03 <MTughan> I have no idea what "Linux running crunch3r's boxes EV67 and DEC" is.
18:04 <MTughan> Anyway, that's discussion for later today. Bye for now.
18:05 <xcamel> 'lo
18:12 * CoderForLife calls from far away, "hope you are feeling better, xcamel"
18:13 <xcamel> thanks, but not quite yet...
18:15 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2007 December 5 - Comet Holmes Over Hungary (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)
18:29 <xcamel> &ping
18:29 <Romulus> pong
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19:32 <MTughan> 'lo e
19:34 <efc> hey
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19:44 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin
19:44 <mweltin> hey
19:44 <MTughan> So I fixed that warning, it's in SVN.
19:44 <mweltin> I still can't build it
19:44 <MTughan> Even with that removed #include in ga.cpp?
19:45 <mweltin> yeah I had done that long ago
19:45 <MTughan> What are the errors?
19:45 <mweltin> now?
19:45 <MTughan> Whenever.
19:45 <mweltin> it can't see a global variable
19:45 <mweltin> before it was redeclaration of randperm
19:45 <zombie67> hello
19:46 <MTughan> Can you pastebin the current errors?
19:46 <MTughan> 'lo zombie
19:46 <zombie67> MT: any progress on RS?
19:46 <mweltin> hey zombie67
19:46 <mweltin> MTughan, let me monkey with it a little longer.
19:46 <MTughan> I've emailed a guy who apparently built it on Mac x86_64, see what he says.
19:46 <MTughan> Hehe... http://www.theonion.com/content/infograph/microsoft_vista_released
19:46 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft Vista Released | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (at www.theonion.com)
19:47 <zombie67> PG has a new prime project
19:48 <xcamel> back-ish
19:53 <efc> Didn't get blown away, xcamel ?
19:54 <xcamel> eh?
19:54 <efc> Storms a few nights ago
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20:00 <xcamel> didn't amount to much
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20:40 <zombie67> just got a handful of LHC
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20:56 <xcamel> bleah...
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21:23 <Tank_Master_> lhc?
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21:29 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046
21:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 50.2°F / 10.1°C | Humidity: 29% | Pressure: 23.56in / 797.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 29 to 35. Light winds.; Thursday - Breezy...cooler. Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs 49 to 55. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Thursday Night - Breezy. Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of (1 more message)
21:29 <BadBarbarian> &more
21:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: rain showers in the evening...a chance of rain showers after midnight. Snow level above 9000 feet. Lows 37 to 43. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of showers 40 percent.;
21:29 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023
21:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 38°F / 3°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 29 on the North Rim to around 47 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs around 45 on the North Rim to around 63 along the Colorado (1 more message)
21:30 <BadBarbarian> &more
21:30 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain showers. Lows around 35 on the North Rim to around 57 along the Colorado River. South winds 15 to 20 mph.;
21:30 <Tank_Master_> &weather 97007
21:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master_: Temperature: 48.5°F / 9.2°C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain likely. Lows around 40. Light wind.; Thursday - Rain likely. Highs around 45. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 30 to 35. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Flood Warning for Washington County in effect (1 more message)
21:30 <Tank_Master_> &more
21:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master_: until 10:49 PM PST on December 07, 2007;
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21:43 <PovAddict> I have LHC work
21:43 <PovAddict> and it seems I already ran and reported other two workunits
21:44 <PovAddict> hmm this doesn't seem right
21:45 <PovAddict> 8.24 credits for 2300 seconds
21:45 <PovAddict> hmm wait that's less than an hour
21:50 <BadBarbarian> evening all
21:50 * Tank_Master_ is glad PovAddict can count
21:50 <PovAddict> <.<
21:51 <BadBarbarian> tigerdirect messed up and credited my account so i have to check the bank and than reorder the quad
21:51 <Soul_keeper> what does the performance of a A110(800MHz) cpu compare to ?
21:51 <Tank_Master_> gl
21:52 <Soul_keeper> is it atleast as fast as an 800MHz P3 ?
21:52 <Tank_Master_> a110?
21:52 <PovAddict> &google a110
21:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.13 seconds: Circular No. A-110 -- Uniform Administrative Requirements for ...: <http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars/a110/a110.html>; Request for Comments on Clarifying Changes to Proposed Revision on ...: <http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg/2ndnotice-a110.html>; IntelÂ® Processor A100 and A110 on 90 nm Process with 512-KB L2 ...: (2 more messages)
21:52 <Soul_keeper> it's intel's cpu for small laptops and handheld devices
21:52 <PovAddict> whitehouse?!
21:52 <PovAddict> &more
21:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: <http://www.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/316908.htm>; IntelÂ® Ultra Mobile Platform 2007: <http://www.intel.com/products/mid/ultramobile2007.htm>; Alpine A110 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_A110>; To NIH Grantees and Applicants: Notice Of Amendment To A-110: <http://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/a110/a110_guidance_dec1999.htm>; Illusions Reveal the (1 more message)
21:53 <Soul_keeper> i'm wondering how it compares to a via c7 1.2GHz cpu
21:54 <Soul_keeper> which is essentially as fast as the slowest P4 willamente
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21:59 <Soul_keeper> why does everything i want cost money ?
21:59 <Tank_Master> cus the world is crule in that way
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22:33 <zombie67> "8.24 credits for 2300 seconds" why do you say that looks wrong?
22:33 <PovAddict> because I didn't think it correctly
22:33 <PovAddict> I wish the workunit page showed hh:mm:ss instead of a total second count
22:34 <zombie67> ah
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23:21 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: you'll like this http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431
23:21 <PovAddict> and now I'm off to sleep
23:24 <Soul_keeper> late
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23:46 <mweltin> ok I'm stummped
23:46 <mweltin> I still can't get this thing to build
23:47 <MTughan> Can you pastebin the errors?
23:47 <mweltin> I'm used Mersenne as one big monolithick file and not
23:47 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
23:48 <mweltin> right now Mersenne is split into two files.
23:48 <mweltin> a header and the cpp code
23:49 <mweltin> I need to understand what is happening with the inline functions?
23:49 <mweltin> are they really placed in line i.e. in the code they are callled in?
23:49 <MTughan> Those are missing functions...
23:49 <mweltin> thats the thing htey are defined in the header file.
23:50 <mweltin> and both the ga.cpp and Individual.cpp call the header file.
23:50 <MTughan> Yeah, don't try to compile MersenneTwister.cpp with it.
23:50 <mweltin> so I have no idea why they would be undefinded.
23:50 <mweltin> it is
23:50 <mweltin> last file in the list of source files.
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23:51 <mweltin> order doens't matter.
23:51 <MTughan> Why are you trying to compile IndividualClass.cpp and MersenneTwister.cpp with it?
23:51 <mweltin> i needs those files, ga.cpp creates a vector of Individuals
23:52 <MTughan> ga.cpp should already have the functions from MersenneTwister.h in it, so you don't need that.
23:52 <mweltin> and ga.cpp is what will read the state of the RNG
23:52 <mweltin> I split the MersenneTwister.h into cpp and h compoments.
23:52 <MTughan> Ah, so the .h is actually a header file now.
23:53 <mweltin> yes, I had no luck the other way, I kept getting the redefinition error.
23:53 <mweltin> and yes I made sure there was no inclucde to Mesenner.cpp
23:53 <MTughan> Yeah, because you were trying to include the same code twice.
23:54 <MTughan> Try with just the full .h again, and try this command:
23:54 <MTughan> g++ -g -static -I/boinc/include/BOINC -I../lib IndividualClass.cpp ga.cpp -L/boinc/lib -lboinc_api -L/boinc/lib -lboinc -L../lib ../lib/gaParser.o ../lib/mylib.o -lexpat -lpthread -o ga
23:54 <MTughan> Should get rid of at least two of those errors.
23:55 <MTughan> And tell IndividualClass.cpp to import MersenneTwister.h if it doesn't already.
23:57 <mweltin> now I'm back to the multiple definition of randperm
23:57 <MTughan> Whoa... Two things: what's with the "<<<<<<< .mine" on line 37, and why is MersenneTwister.h being included twice?
23:57 <MTughan> ga.cpp here.
23:57 <mweltin> <<<<< is a conflict from svn
23:57 <MTughan> Okay, so I'll remove it.
23:58 <mweltin> and both ga.cpp and Individual need to have the headr inof.
23:58 <mweltin> yes
23:58 <MTughan> Wait, that's it...
23:58 <mweltin> what?
23:58 <MTughan> Something I've seen in other Makefiles... Hold on, I'll make the change and commit it to SVN.
23:58 <MTughan> s/Makefiles/header files/
23:59 <MTughan> Wait, nvm. It's there.
23:59 <mweltin> #ifndef
23:59 <mweltin> yeah
23:59 <mweltin> thats another thing that is messed up.