IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2007-12-05

00:00 <Tank_Master> once BOINCStats comes back up I can readd TSP

00:01 <mweltin> I wonder who that was.

00:01 <mweltin> someone said the were going to drop

00:01 <mweltin> maybe wdsmia

00:01 <Tank_Master> MAC and I droped TSP for other races

00:02 <Tank_Master> I will be droping it again between xmas and a week after NYs

00:02 <Tank_Master> gaa, zombie, not MAC

00:02 <Tank_Master> I keep doing that, dont I?

00:03 <zombie67> Hah!  I just checked my spreadsheet, and I had already updated TSP to be Beta and work available = yes.  I just made the update to production.

00:04 <mweltin> nice

00:04 <zombie67> TM:  you are going to do the 10day?

00:04 <mweltin> thanks

00:04 <Tank_Master> dunno yet

00:04 <mweltin> I'm gonna email Anderson soon.  He asked I do when I reach production.

00:04 <Tank_Master> it depends on our other engaements

00:04 <Tank_Master> probably so he can add it to the BOINC page and the BOINC client

00:05 <mweltin> oohhhh added to the boinc client?

00:05 <mweltin> that would be cool

00:05 <Tank_Master> hehe

00:05 <zombie67> mweltin:  what is the status of mac apps?

00:05 <Tank_Master> on that list when you want to add a new project...

00:06 <mweltin> they are all up to date.

00:06 <zombie67> cool

00:06 <mweltin> MTughan, stays up on that.  He is a good guy.

00:07 <zombie67> when I get back, I am going to change my approach

00:07 <Tank_Master> for TSP?

00:07 <zombie67> used to be attached to ALL projects, and just adjust %s

00:07 <zombie67> for at least a while, I will focus on just a few

00:07 <Tank_Master> ahh

00:07 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:08 <zombie67> TSP, RS, POEM, MW

00:08 <zombie67> and if docking comes back, that too

00:08 <mweltin> nice

00:08 <mweltin> what is poem

00:08 <zombie67> protein

00:08 <mweltin> ahhh

00:09 <zombie67>

00:09 <Romulus> Title: POEM@HOME (at

00:09 <zombie67> another project with good project management, that communicates well, and uses fixed credits

00:09 <Tank_Master> POEM@HOME implements a novel approach to understand these aspects of protein structure, which lends itself very well to worldwide distributed computing. The scientific approach behind POEM@HOME is a computational realization of the thermodynamic hypothesis that won C. B. Anfinsen the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1972.

00:10 <zombie67> a lot like TSP

00:10 <mweltin> thanks, that was nice to hear

00:10 <Tank_Master> dose poem haf a chat room?

00:10 <zombie67> But I *REALLY* want a prime # attached to my name!

00:11 <Tank_Master> only TSP's admin chats ;)

00:11 <zombie67> too true!

00:11 <Tank_Master> lol

00:11 <mweltin> everyone else is busy with a real job.

00:11 <Tank_Master> and serfs, way cool

00:11 <zombie67> not true!

00:11 <zombie67> yoyo also chats!

00:11 <Tank_Master> true

00:11 <Tank_Master> true

00:12 <zombie67> and POV

00:12 <Tank_Master> but not at the same time as us normally

00:12 <zombie67> TM, yoyo is here in the AM and after you go to bead

00:12 <Tank_Master> cept POV cant keep any of his projects running long

00:12 <Tank_Master> I know

00:12 <zombie67> TM:  he set that up just to play with the BOINC SW

00:12 <Tank_Master> and his net was down the last 2 days

00:14 <zombie67> mweltin:  you get the "biggest balls" award for running a BOINC project off of a laptop and over (essentially) dial-up.  Bravo!

00:14 <zombie67> :)

00:14 <Tank_Master> lol

00:14 <Tank_Master> and for pringing the internet for your entier country to its knees

00:14 <mweltin> hahahahaha

00:15 <mweltin> my web stats are off the wall for this little rock.

00:16 <mweltin>

00:16 <Tank_Master> clickable:

00:16 <Romulus> Title: Usage Statistics for bob - Last 12 Months (at

00:17 <zombie67> Is Oct > Nov because of all the small WUs you used to send?

00:17 <mweltin> yes

00:17 <mweltin> the big deal is the index page.

00:17 <mweltin> I don't count the cgi pages

00:23 <zombie67> wasn't renderfarm another of POV's?

00:23 <Tank_Master> yes

00:23 <mweltin> that sounds right

00:24 <Tank_Master> one of the projects I am #1 in

00:24 <zombie67> TSP is still smaller

00:24 <Tank_Master> that and TSP

00:24 <zombie67>

00:24 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Statistics for the WORLD (at

00:24 <zombie67> TM:  Not if POV ressurects it!

00:24 <mweltin> I only have like 700 users.

00:24 <Tank_Master> lol

00:25 <zombie67> Then I get to add my IMP credits, and addmore!

00:26 <zombie67> so how old was POV when he did renderfarm?  9?

00:27 <Tank_Master> I dont know

00:27 <Tank_Master> it was just last year

00:27 <zombie67> it ended just last year

00:27 <mweltin> he hacked the ultrasound machine and started in in-vitro

00:27 <Tank_Master> have you guys read the seaworth comics?

00:28 <Tank_Master>

00:28 <Romulus> Title: Seaworthy: A High Seas Adventure Comic (at

00:28 <zombie67> project length was sept-jan

00:29 <Tank_Master> he eported some of the work into BURP

00:29 <zombie67> brb

00:29 <Tank_Master> k

00:33 <BadBarbarian> howdy all

00:33 <Tank_Master> BB!

00:33 <Tank_Master> hows it going?

00:33 <mweltin> hey barbar

00:33 <zombie67> new to me, but I'll add it to my daily comic list

00:33 <zombie67> hi BB

00:33 <BadBarbarian> good

00:34 <Tank_Master> he dosent come out with them daily

00:34 <Tank_Master> and he's also a memeber of my team ;)

00:34 <BadBarbarian> lol barbar is great

00:34 <Tank_Master> hehe

00:34 <BadBarbarian> hows the wet in portland

00:35 <Tank_Master> i-5 is still shut down

00:35 <Tank_Master> but its much better

00:35 <Tank_Master> my road is no longer flooded

00:35 <BadBarbarian> cool

00:35 <Tank_Master> its got lots of muck in it though

00:37 <zombie67> brb.  switching machines

00:37 <Tank_Master> gl

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00:38 <BadBarbarian> lol your choise

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00:40 <zombie67> ooo!  Angus is getting feisty!

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00:47 <zombie67> mweltin:  are the apps you send to 64 bit hosts really 64 bit?  or 32 bit?

00:48 <mweltin> crunch3r built them, I assume they are true 64bit apps.  Otherwise whats the point.

00:49 <zombie67> cool.  both win and linux?

00:49 <zombie67> speaking of crunch3r, where's he been?  It's been weeks since I have seem him on irc

00:49 <mweltin> yes

00:49 <mweltin> I never see him here.

00:50 <zombie67> cool.  updating my spreadsheet

00:50 <mweltin> &seen crunch3r

00:50 <Romulus> mweltin: crunch3r was last seen in #boinc 3 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <crunch3r> "Now can you beat unoptimized GCC code..." <--- i can ... just need to enable ipo... the one i did is not very optimized at all ...

00:50 <zombie67> he is a team member of seti.usa, same as TM.  he used to show up there.

00:50 <zombie67> seti.usa has an irc channel

00:51 <zombie67> irc://

00:51 <zombie67> did you hear about NQueens?

00:51 <mweltin> no what happened there.

00:52 <zombie67>

00:52 <Romulus> <$Q> (at

00:59 <mweltin> what does that mean for the previous boards?

01:00 <mweltin> and If you have an expected result what are you looking for?

01:01 <Tank_Master> cookies

01:01 <Tank_Master> beer n tits

01:03 <mweltin> what is the start to a perfect day, Alex.

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01:04 <Tank_Master> yo yoyo!

01:04 <yoyo[RKN]> moin moin

01:04 <mweltin> hey you yo

01:08 <Tank_Master> hey Z

01:10 <zombie67> yo

01:10 <zombie67> yoyo

01:10 <Tank_Master> MAC gonna play with us in the WCG races ;)

01:10 <zombie67> how's evo mac coming along?

01:11 <zombie67> TM:  really?

01:11 <Tank_Master> yep

01:11 <yoyo[RKN]> mac version does not run, dont know why

01:11 <Tank_Master> dunno yet if we are in the 10day race or not

01:12 <yoyo[RKN]> I must contact the author

01:12 <zombie67> it would be good to put Easynews in their place

01:13 <yoyo[RKN]> you mean me? I have no news

01:16 <Tank_Master> now WCG is down?

01:16 <zombie67> no, getting mac (team.seti) to join the WCG race

01:17 <zombie67> no, wcg is up

01:17 <Tank_Master> isnt loading for me

01:17 <Tank_Master> not really timing out either...

01:17 <zombie67>

01:17 <Romulus> <$p> (at

01:17 <zombie67> maybe just the home page is stuck

01:18 <Tank_Master> no, that one to

01:18 <Tank_Master> maybe its my isp...

01:20 <Tank_Master> odd

01:20 <Tank_Master> its still spinning its wheels

01:20 <Tank_Master> not loading, not timing out

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01:23 <Tank_Master> it finally loaded

01:23 <Tank_Master> Error

01:23 <Tank_Master> The application is unavailable at this time, please try again later.

01:23 <Tank_Master> Your action has resulted in an error.

01:31 <zombie67> bs and wcg are loading lightning fast for me

01:32 <Tank_Master> wcg is working now

01:32 <Tank_Master> not sure what the prob was

01:37 <mweltin> I had a hard time wiht irc, ssh, and a IM today.

01:37 <mweltin> my isp asked me which sites I couldn't get to.

01:37 <mweltin> techsupport sucks here.

01:39 <Tank_Master> lol

01:41 <mweltin> he said if my browser was working my internte was up.

01:42 <mweltin> and I had to explain that there is more to the internet than just port 80

01:42 <Tank_Master> lol

01:42 <Tank_Master> "oh

01:42 <Tank_Master> "

01:43 <mweltin> I'm glad you see the humor in that because I didn't.

01:43 <mweltin> thank god ssh and irc started working on their own.

01:43 <mweltin> brb

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01:47 <Tank_Master> :)

01:47 <mweltin> b

01:47 <Tank_Master> WB

01:50 <mweltin> trying to fix a avi for my gf now.

01:50 <Tank_Master> lol

01:50 <mweltin> sometimes it doesn't pay to know how computers work.

01:50 <Tank_Master> gl

01:51 <zombie67> VLC

01:52 <Tank_Master> ?

01:53 <mweltin> anything

01:53 <Tank_Master> vlc?

01:53 <mweltin> a friend sent a copy of bable ripped to an avi

01:53 <mweltin> and no sub-titles

01:53 <zombie67> VLC will play ANYTHING

01:53 <mweltin> yeah, but you hvae more control with mplayer

01:53 <zombie67>

01:53 <Romulus> Title: VLC media player - Overview (at

01:53 <mweltin> I have vlc

01:53 <mweltin> I like mplayer more

01:56 <mweltin> where are fonts on a linux box?

01:58 <Tank_Master> gn

01:59 <Tank_Master> mw: on the HD

02:00 <mweltin> I have an EEPROM that fonts writes to the cpu cache, I forgot about that.

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02:11 <mweltin> have you seen jesus camp?

02:11 <mweltin> I don't like where this is going.

02:14 <mweltin> just finished replacing the the RNG for the project.

02:16 <zombie67> I avoid mocumentories

02:17 <zombie67> rng?

02:17 <mweltin> random number generator

02:17 <zombie67> ah

02:17 <zombie67> the non-open source one

02:18 <mweltin> I replaced an old one that i wasn't sure about, with a new one that is open source

02:18 <mweltin> BSD license.

02:19 <zombie67>

02:19 <Romulus> <> (at

02:21 <mweltin> nice

02:21 <mweltin> tahnks zombie67

02:22 <zombie67> no probl

02:23 <zombie67> few people even know know of my page anyway.

02:23 <zombie67> oh yeah, I put something on my dl page for you, it's the zip file.

02:23 <zombie67>

02:23 <Romulus> Title: "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken (at

02:24 <mweltin> ohhh

02:25 <mweltin> jessica ?

02:25 <zombie67> ja

02:25 <mweltin> snap!

02:25 <mweltin> nice pic

02:27 <zombie67> ah, the couple of JA images?

02:27 <zombie67> no way you dl the whole 50mb file that fast

02:27 <mweltin> I love the wall paper

02:27 <mweltin> I checked the preview

02:28 <zombie67> ah!  the batgirl image

02:28 <zombie67> yeah that is rockin

02:49 <mweltin> 14MB down

02:50 <mweltin> &seen PovAddict

02:50 <Romulus> mweltin: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 3 hours, 1 minute, and 23 seconds ago: <PovAddict> Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island

02:53 <mweltin> the synergy guys wrote back and will change the status of TSP soon.

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04:35 * CoderForLife sniffs the air

04:36 <CoderForLife> I smell snow

04:36 <PriitM> I smell dirty snow

04:36 <CoderForLife> heh

04:37 <CoderForLife> morning PriitM

04:37 <PriitM> good morning :)

04:37 <PriitM> 11.37 here

04:37 <PriitM> AM

04:41 <CoderForLife> 4:39am here

04:41 <PriitM> someone was looking for badass gift - 32MB MP3 player :>

04:44 <PriitM> Ouch, price difference between my country shops and USA shops are like 15$ and the item is like 40$

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04:45 <pattern> i've been getting an "HTTP file not found" and "Message from server: No work sent" from the seti@home project since dec 2nd...  more of my log here:

04:45 <Romulus> <> (at

04:46 <pattern> is there something wrong with the seti@home project?  or is this likely to be a problem on my end?

04:47 <PriitM> I downloaded some work on Dec 4

04:48 <PriitM> I don't think it's project problem, I downloaded some work 4 hours ago

04:49 <pattern> hmm

04:49 <CoderForLife> project seems to be working to me, also

04:50 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

04:52 <pattern> is there something i could read about possible avenues of troubleshooting i should be exploring on my end given these kinds of error messages?

04:53 <pattern> or some typical problem on my end that could be causing this?

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05:02 <CoderForLife> b

05:03 <CoderForLife> pattern, you could try somthing like

05:03 <Romulus> <> (at

05:04 <pattern> thanks, coder

05:04 <CoderForLife> np, hth

05:04 * CoderForLife munches on breakfast, watching it snow

05:10 * PriitM wonders if he can build device to listen wireless keyboards

05:11 <PriitM> it would be pretty fun if you could see what your neighbor is typing :P

05:13 <CoderForLife> maybe, but the other parts of being in the KGB aren't so fun

05:14 <PriitM> luckily enough we don't have KGB, we got KAPO here :)

05:14 <PriitM> but i belive they're bad too :P

05:15 <CoderForLife> runs in the family, I reckon

05:15 * CoderForLife yawns

05:15 <PriitM> ahh, this is unusual

05:15 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

05:15 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 31.6F / -0.2C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.60in / 1002.3hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Snow...ending by late afternoon. Total accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Highs in the mid 30s. East winds 10 to 15 mph... becoming north with gusts up to 30 mph this afternoon. Chance of snow 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the (1 more message)

05:15 <PriitM> sun shines so nicely onto my screen

05:16 <CoderForLife> &more

05:16 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 15. North winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...decreasing to around 5 mph after midnight.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. Light northeast winds...becoming light southeast winds in the afternoon.; Snow Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 4:00 PM EST on December 05, 2007;

05:16 <PriitM> wonderful sight

05:16 <PriitM> &weather tallinn

05:16 <Romulus> PriitM: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 11:50 AM EET; Chance of Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F. / 3 C.; Rain. High:46 F. / 8 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F. / 4 C.; Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Rain. Low:35 F. / 2 C.;

05:21 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#% - cya soon

05:26 <PriitM> w0rk? :P

05:26 <PriitM> work

05:26 <PriitM> pfft, i thought it was censored

06:06 <PriitM> and i thought i was driving dangerously: :P

06:06 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Crazy driver TIR on Poland (at

07:12 <PriitM> GTA2:

07:12 <Romulus> Title: - Car chase ends in Death (at

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09:21 <BiteAbleKat> &weather 98404

09:21 <Romulus> BiteAbleKat: Temperature: 43.3F / 6.3C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022.2hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers. Highs near 50. Southwest wind around 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the 30s. West wind around 10 mph in the evening becoming light.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower to mid 40s. (1 more message)

09:22 <BiteAbleKat> &more

09:22 <Romulus> BiteAbleKat: North wind around 10 mph.;

09:38 <PovAddict> PriitM: you "thought" it was censored? just wait for freelarry to get you for spelling the word in full

10:01 <BadBarbarian> m

10:01 <BadBarbarian> Morning

10:25 <Tank_Master> mornin

10:25 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

10:26 <Tank_Master> &more

10:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 44.4F / 6.9C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021.6hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Areas of fog in the morning. Highs around 50. Light wind.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 35 to 40. Light wind.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs around 45. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Flood Warning for (1 more message)

10:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Washington County in effect until 4:00 AM PST on December 08, 2007;

10:26 <BadBarbarian> morning tank

10:26 <BadBarbarian> talking with fish in the other room

10:28 <Tank_Master> obniously ;)

10:37 <quail> morning all, how are we all?

10:38 <Tank_Master> not to bad

10:38 <Tank_Master>

10:38 * quail can't sleep so he thought he'd drop in an say hi :-)

10:38 <Romulus> Title: Interstate 5 near Chehalis shut down indefinitely | - Portland, Oregon | News (at

10:38 <Tank_Master> better than some folk out there

10:39 <quail> :-)

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14:03 <PovAddict> 99.555% CPDN

14:03 <PovAddict> omg!

14:07 <yoyo[RKN]> the evo app is beta, to set it to normal I must update app set beta =0 ?

14:08 <PovAddict> yes

14:08 <PovAddict> and restart feeder

14:09 <yoyo[RKN]> is there a file which I can touch to restart feeder?

14:09 <PovAddict> oh yea, but I dont remember the name

14:09 <yoyo[RKN]> i will search in trac

14:09 <PovAddict> reread_db

14:10 <PovAddict> touch reread_db on the project root dir and the feeder will re-read app and app_versions

14:10 <PovAddict> (update_versions touches that file)

14:10 <yoyo[RKN]> ok

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14:12 <mweltin> so why are there 37 names listed but only 5-10 ever are here.

14:12 <PovAddict> welcome to IRC

14:12 <PovAddict> #ubuntu usually has close to a thousand people

14:12 <yoyo[RKN]> welcome to idle channel

14:13 <PovAddict> it's more chatty than others, but *definitely* not all 1000 are talking

14:13 <PovAddict> try idlerpg

14:13 <PovAddict> basic rules: if you talk on the channel, you lose; the more time you are in the channel, the more points you get

14:14 <PovAddict> everything else happens automatically

14:15 <mweltin> haha

14:19 <PriitM> idle channels indeed are useful

14:32 <yoyo[RKN]> in the project management is a function Clear Host .... [clear RPC]. what is it for?

14:33 <PovAddict> I dunno

14:33 <PovAddict> so don't touch

14:33 <mweltin> I don't either sorry.

14:33 <PovAddict> Don't Press The Red Button

14:33 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

14:33 <PovAddict>

14:33 <Romulus> Title: Do not push the red button (at

14:35 <yoyo[RKN]> this is done: mysql_query("update host set rpc_time=0 where id='$hostid'");

14:37 <mweltin> what is rpc time?

14:40 <yoyo[RKN]> dont know

14:40 <mweltin> i recomend the moive "hot rod"

14:40 <mweltin> I have only seen 15min of it and its great.

14:45 <TM-Work> hey

14:45 <TM-Work> mw!

14:45 <TM-Work> yo yoyo!

14:46 <mweltin> hey TANK

14:46 <yoyo[RKN]> hi tank

14:47 <TM-Work> sup?

14:49 <mweltin> not much going on

14:49 <mweltin> hvae you seen hot rod?

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15:03 <TMatWork> ugg, that was defently the wrong comp to turn off

15:03 <TMatWork> anywho, lunch time! ;)

15:05 <zombie67>

15:05 <Romulus> <> (at

15:24 <mweltin> ok I'm not done yet,but "Hot Rod" is AWESOME!!!

15:24 <mweltin> rent it, rip it, steal it, whatever you do just see it!

15:26 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

15:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 26.9F / -2.8C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; This Afternoon - A chance of snow with intermittent sleet. Total accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Highs in the mid 30s. North winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the (1 more message)

15:26 <CoderForLife> &more

15:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 15. North winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...decreasing to around 5 mph after midnight.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. Light northeast winds...becoming light southeast winds in the afternoon.; Snow Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 4:00 PM EST on December 05, 2007;

15:28 <MTughan> Hmm... Who flashed me earlier?

15:28 <CoderForLife> interesting

15:28 <Romulus> <> (at

15:28 <mweltin> not me

15:29 <MTughan> 'lo CFL, mweltin

15:29 <CoderForLife> hey

15:29 <mweltin> hey

15:29 <MTughan> lol

15:29 <mweltin> dude watch Hot Rod, its a wonderful moive.

15:29 <MTughan> Hot Rod?

15:30 <zombie67>

15:30 <Romulus> Title: Hot Rod (2007) (at

15:30 <MTughan> Ooo, Andy Samburg...

15:30 <mweltin> it's wonderful

15:30 <mweltin> I got tears watching it, and its not over yet.

15:56 <MTughan> brb

16:09 <PovAddict>

16:09 <Romulus> Title: Polar Bear SOS: Join NRDC's Campaign to Save the Polar Bears (at

16:33 <mweltin> inline functions are had to deal with.

16:33 <MTughan> How about inline assembler? :P

16:34 <PriitM> <kow`> "There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't."

16:34 <PriitM> <SpaceRain> That's only 2 types of people, kow.

16:34 <PriitM> <SpaceRain> STUPID

16:34 <MTughan> Hehe... Trapped!

16:34 <MTughan> Yeah, that's a classic one.

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16:54 <mweltin> even with #ifndef's in the rng source file I can't avoid a multiple definition error with gcc.

16:54 <MTughan> Is it in SVN?

16:54 <mweltin> yes

16:55 <MTughan> What file?

16:55 <mweltin> its the GA I'm trying to build

16:55 <mweltin> the GNG builds no problem

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16:58 <MTughan> What is gaParser.o?

16:58 <PovAddict> you committed a .o to the svn? baad

16:59 <MTughan> No, he didn't.

16:59 <MTughan> He's trying to use it in his Makefile, but there's no corresponding source.

16:59 <PovAddict> is there any generic rule?

16:59 <PovAddict> like %.o: %.c

16:59 <MTughan> Nope.

17:00 <mweltin> mmmmm  its not much of anything, justs prases the input file

17:01 <PovAddict> mweltin: your makefile refers to that .o but you aren't telling how to build it

17:01 <MTughan> Where's the source?

17:01 <MTughan> PovAddict: It's a work in progress.

17:02 <mweltin> in ../lib

17:02 <MTughan> Well, it wasn't committed to SVN then.

17:02 <MTughan> I just did an update and it's not there.

17:03 <mweltin> its not in ../lib?

17:03 <mweltin> should be

17:04 <MTughan> Nope.

17:04 <mweltin> I just tried to commit and it's not in hte list

17:04 <mweltin> maybe I didn't add it.

17:04 <MTughan> I can tell you didn't. It's not downloading.

17:04 <mweltin> ok just added it.

17:04 <PovAddict> use "svn status" to know if you have

17:05 <PovAddict> if it shows a questionmark, svn doesn't know about it

17:05 <mweltin> can committed

17:05 <MTughan> There we go.

17:05 <PovAddict> if it shows an A, it's Added, ready to be committed

17:06 <MTughan> I seem to have conflicting copies of MersenneTwister.cpp and MersenneTwister.h...

17:06 <PovAddict> hmm

17:06 <mweltin> yes I'ts a work in progress

17:07 <mweltin> delete the MerenneTwister.cpp

17:07 <PovAddict> MTughan: did you modify it/them?

17:07 <MTughan> Nice... Spotlight searches update automatically..

17:07 <mweltin> hte source distrobution comes as one large header file.

17:07 <MTughan> Oh wow...

17:07 <mweltin> i did since my last commit

17:07 <mweltin> I wanted to have them separated.

17:08 <mweltin> like I siad I'm having trouble.

17:08 <PovAddict> I mean if MTughan modified it, and you modified it, svn maybe can't merge both changes

17:08 <MTughan> "Restored 'src/lib/MersenneTwister.cpp'"

17:08 <PovAddict> so, conflict

17:08 <MTughan> I modified one thing, it was a slight mismatch between a signed and unsigned int.

17:08 <mweltin> look at MersenneTwister.h

17:08 <mweltin> it it has the cpp code just delete the MersenneTwister.cpp

17:09 <mweltin> all the functions are inline, and I think that is where all the trouble is coming from.

17:09 <mweltin> I had separate cpp and h files.

17:09 <MTughan> Seems so...

17:09 <MTughan> Now you're running into signed and unsigned ints again.

17:09 <MTughan> ../lib/MersenneTwister.h:449: error: prototype for 'void MTRand::randperm(std::vector<int, std::allocator<int> >&, int)' does not match any in class 'MTRand'

17:09 <MTughan> ../lib/MersenneTwister.h:119: error: candidate is: void MTRand::randperm(std::vector<int, std::allocator<int> >&, unsigned int)

17:10 <MTughan> Either that, or that's my mod...

17:10 <PovAddict> svn revert ../lib/MersenneTwister.h

17:10 <PovAddict> oh, use svn diff [filename] to know what changes you did

17:10 <MTughan> Doesn't matter, I should commit my changes anyway.

17:11 <PovAddict> you should check what they are too :)

17:11 <MTughan> ga.cpp needs to be modified, includes MersenneTwister.cpp.

17:11 <PovAddict> "svn diff" without extra arguments shows changes "recursively"

17:11 <MTughan> I know what change I made.

17:12 <mweltin> I made that change already

17:12 <MTughan> Okay, only one error now. What's -lidn?

17:12 <mweltin> ditch it

17:13 <MTughan> Builds fine here, nothing clashing.

17:13 <PovAddict> ok what should I try building?

17:13 <PovAddict> lib first?

17:13 <MTughan> mylib.cpp and gaParser.cpp.

17:14 <mweltin> GA

17:14 <PovAddict> a splode

17:14 <PovAddict> I gotta do my usual changes with the boinc lib

17:15 <PovAddict> redefinition errors

17:15 <mweltin> so ga.cpp and IndividualClass.cpp both call functions in MersenneTwister

17:15 <mweltin> yeah

17:15 <mweltin> from different objects.

17:15 <MTughan> Strange, I don't get them.

17:16 <PovAddict> you're including both the .cpp and the .h!

17:16 <MTughan> In ga.cpp, yep. Remove the cpp include.

17:16 <mweltin> well that was when  I split them up.

17:17 <mweltin> I did already

17:17 <MTughan> Oh, those redefinition errors...

17:17 <mweltin> but it was the same thing

17:17 <MTughan> Hehe, right, that would cause it.

17:17 <PovAddict> ok I removed the .cpp include, and works

17:18 <mweltin> :q

17:18 <PovAddict> now I just remove a dozen -l switches that don't work on mingw

17:18 <PovAddict> and I got a ga.exe

17:19 <PovAddict> CoderForLife, quail, and anyone else interested: plink

17:19 <MTughan> Okay, i386 GA works in my custom Makefile.

17:19 <mweltin> where is this call to the .cpp

17:19 <MTughan> ga.cpp

17:20 <MTughan> #include "MersenneTwister.cpp"

17:20 <mweltin> I dropped that a line a while ago

17:20 <MTughan> It didn't get to SVN.

17:20 <mweltin> but still cna't build it.

17:20 <PovAddict> not on my version

17:20 <MTughan> Got an unused variable...

17:20 <PovAddict> plink too (same attack)

17:21 <MTughan> Line 51, char output_path[512]

17:21 <mweltin> I'll use it later

17:21 <MTughan> Okay...

17:21 <MTughan> And then two more warnings.

17:21 <mweltin> right now I just need a build

17:21 <MTughan> ./src/lib/MersenneTwister.h:457: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions

17:21 <PovAddict> should I send you my ga.exe?

17:21 <MTughan> That's one I fixed...

17:21 <mweltin> no

17:22 <mweltin> its far from done

17:22 <MTughan> And...

17:22 <MTughan> src/lib/mylib.cpp:59: warning: no return statement in function returning non-void

17:22 <MTughan> src/lib/mylib.cpp:59: warning: control reaches end of non-void function

17:22 <mweltin> I need to figure out what is oging on here

17:22 <MTughan> Okay, that function is currently empty.

17:23 <mweltin> oh yeah, just a stub for now.

17:23 <MTughan> That's fine.

17:23 <MTughan> For the first warning, I had a fix before. Want me to make it and commit it?

17:24 <mweltin> sure

17:24 <mweltin> I have to run

17:24 <MTughan> Okay, see you.

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17:26 <MTughan> Done. PovAddict, you can grab it if you want.

17:26 <MTughan> Changed MersenneTwister.h.

17:30 <CoderForLife> somebody call me?

17:30 <CoderForLife> ah PovAddict

17:30 <CoderForLife> plinking

17:30 <MTughan> Yeah, two plinks.

17:31 <CoderForLife> ah and a 2nd

17:31 <CoderForLife> thx MT

17:31 <MTughan> np

17:31 <PovAddict> both were trying to get my server running this:

17:31 <CoderForLife> evil

17:32 <MTughan> Trying to get free disk space?

17:32 <MTughan> Or not...

17:32 <PovAddict> if all those tests succeed, it means they have quite a bit of power, and they can easily throw a second script doing worse things

17:32 <CoderForLife> evil**2

17:33 <MTughan> Hmm...

17:33 <MTughan> &math calc evil ** 2

17:33 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: 'evil' is not a defined function.

17:33 <MTughan> >:D

17:33 * CoderForLife reveals his FORTRAN education

17:33 <PovAddict> this java code sucks

17:33 * CoderForLife sighs

17:34 <PovAddict> it has like

17:34 <PovAddict> 2 comments

17:34 <MTughan> Sounds like me...

17:34 <PovAddict> (out of 1400 lines)

17:34 <PovAddict> function names have ThisNamingScheme instead of thisOne

17:34 <MTughan> WTF?

17:34 <PovAddict> s/function/method/

17:34 <MTughan> Those are for class names, aren't they?

17:35 <PovAddict> both classes and methods are UsingThisCrap

17:35 <PovAddict> :-\

17:35 <MTughan> Ow...

17:35 <CoderForLife> yuck-ow

17:35 <PovAddict> the programmer clearly knows a lot of maths, but his mind is Windows-programming-corrupted

17:36 <MTughan> Even I'm not that bad...

17:36 <CoderForLife> brb  --  changing out of street clothes since I don't need to go back out

17:36 <PovAddict> using uppercase on method names and starting interfaces with I (like ICodeProgress) is clearly a COM thing

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17:37 <MTughan> 'lo zombit

17:37 <MTughan> zombie*

17:37 <PovAddict> and the bad api... the C LZMA interface has like 4 different ways to use it...

17:37 <PovAddict> the java version can only take an InputStream and an OutputStream and then you lose your control over the program until it's done compressing/decompressing (like SAX when parsing)

17:39 <PovAddict> you could keep control by running the (en|de)coder on a separate thread, but...

17:40 * CoderForLife returns

17:40 <MTughan> wb

17:40 <CoderForLife> ty

17:41 <MTughan> You gotta love these acronyms...

17:43 <CoderForLife> I'm going to go fill out some forms that HR told me I was late in getting to them, but they never gave them to me until after I asked "what forms?"

17:43 <MTughan> lol

17:43 <CoderForLife> "I must have mistyped your name in the bulk e-mail"

17:43 <MTughan> Suuuure...

17:44 <PovAddict> "bulk"?

17:44 <CoderForLife> another induhvidual

17:44 <PovAddict> why would somebody send a "bulk" email and type email addresses by hand?!

17:44 <CoderForLife> we use Lotus Notes - it get *real* upset about trying to send to people that it doesn't know

17:45 <PovAddict> somebody went on ticket-closing spree

17:45 <CoderForLife> all you have to do is type F-L-A-tab and it autofills my name

17:45 <Romulus> Title: Timeline - BOINC - Trac (at

17:45 <CoderForLife> if you try to send to a typo, it barks at you

17:46 <CoderForLife> in other words, blame it on the technology

17:46 <CoderForLife> oh well, I'm in hurry-up-forms-mode

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17:46 <CoderForLife> laterz doodz

17:47 <PovAddict> o/

17:48 <MTughan> Hehe... .PHONY: all build_bf build_ga package_bf package_ga clean clean_bf clean_ga bf_i386 bf_i386_64 bf_ppc bf_ppc_64 update ga_i386 ga_i386_64 ga_ppc ga_ppc_64

17:48 <MTughan> Think I have enough targets? ^^

17:48 <PovAddict> no

17:48 <PovAddict> go look at gcc's makefile

17:48 <MTughan> Yes, but that's automade.

17:48 <MTughan> And TSP isn't anything nearly as big as GCC.

17:49 <PovAddict> look at the .am file then

17:49 <PovAddict> I think you need a configure script btw...

17:49 <MTughan> Me?

17:49 <PovAddict> yesh

17:49 <PovAddict> instead of different make targets

17:49 <MTughan> Why?

17:52 <MTughan> PovAddict?

17:52 <PovAddict> because it's how everybody does it...

17:54 <MTughan> But I'm often making for more than one architecture at a time.

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17:54 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 25F / -4C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.26in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low around 15. North wind near 5 mph shifting to the south after midnight.; Thursday - Snow. Snow accumulation of 3 to 4 inches. High in the lower 30s. South wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the afternoon. Chance of (1 more message)

17:55 <wdsmia> &more

17:55 <Romulus> wdsmia: snow 90 percent.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of snow in the evening. Low in the mid 20s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Snow Advisory for Warren County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on December 06, 2007;

17:58 <MTughan> PovAddict: The .am file, right?

17:58 <PovAddict> MTughan: you don't really need to use autohell

17:58 <PovAddict> er

17:58 <PovAddict> autotools

17:59 <PovAddict> a configure script is no more than a shell script

17:59 <MTughan> I was wanting to take a look at GCC's, but there's none in there.

17:59 <MTughan> And I know what a configure script is.

17:59 <PovAddict> general idea is that your makefile includes another file, and the configure script creates that file, setting some variables the makefile uses

17:59 <PovAddict> it could also create a config.h, for stuff that changes in the code (mostly ifdefs)

18:00 <MTughan> Anyway, there's Makefile.def,, and Makefile.tpl.

18:00 <MTughan> After configure, there's Makefile.

18:00 <PovAddict> might be the .in then

18:00 <MTughan> # is generated from Makefile.tpl by 'autogen Makefile.def'.

18:00 <MTughan> I think that explains somewhat...

18:01 <PovAddict> maybe gcc isn't the best place to be learning about it :) it's not the most "normal" use of autotools, lots of special cases

18:01 <MTughan> Hehe...

18:01 <MTughan> I've got company anyway, will see you all later. My Makefile works just fine for now.

18:01 <MTughan> In fact... I should look at getting MinGW back on, and maybe some other platforms. BSD?

18:03 <MTughan> You're doing the Windows apps right now, right?

18:03 <PovAddict> yeah

18:03 <MTughan> I know mweltin's doing the Linux apps, I'm doing the Mac apps...

18:03 <MTughan> That leaves a custom crunch3r build it looks like and FreeBSD.

18:03 <MTughan> I have no idea what "Linux running crunch3r's boxes EV67 and DEC" is.

18:04 <MTughan> Anyway, that's discussion for later today. Bye for now.

18:05 <xcamel> 'lo

18:12 * CoderForLife calls from far away, "hope you are feeling better, xcamel"

18:13 <xcamel> thanks, but not quite yet...

18:15 <xcamel>

18:15 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2007 December 5 - Comet Holmes Over Hungary (at

18:29 <xcamel> &ping

18:29 <Romulus> pong

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19:32 <MTughan> 'lo e

19:34 <efc> hey

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19:44 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin

19:44 <mweltin> hey

19:44 <MTughan> So I fixed that warning, it's in SVN.

19:44 <mweltin> I still can't build it

19:44 <MTughan> Even with that removed #include in ga.cpp?

19:45 <mweltin> yeah I had done that long ago

19:45 <MTughan> What are the errors?

19:45 <mweltin> now?

19:45 <MTughan> Whenever.

19:45 <mweltin> it can't see a global variable

19:45 <mweltin> before it was redeclaration of randperm

19:45 <zombie67> hello

19:46 <MTughan> Can you pastebin the current errors?

19:46 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

19:46 <zombie67> MT:  any progress on RS?

19:46 <mweltin> hey zombie67

19:46 <mweltin> MTughan, let me monkey with it a little longer.

19:46 <MTughan> I've emailed a guy who apparently built it on Mac x86_64, see what he says.

19:46 <MTughan> Hehe...

19:46 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft Vista Released | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (at

19:47 <zombie67> PG has a new prime project

19:48 <xcamel> back-ish

19:53 <efc> Didn't get blown away, xcamel ?

19:54 <xcamel> eh?

19:54 <efc> Storms a few nights ago

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20:00 <xcamel> didn't amount to much

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20:40 <zombie67> just got a handful of LHC

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20:56 <xcamel> bleah...

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21:23 <Tank_Master_> lhc?

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21:29 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

21:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 50.2F / 10.1C | Humidity: 29% | Pressure: 23.56in / 797.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 29 to 35. Light winds.; Thursday - Breezy...cooler. Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs 49 to 55. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Thursday Night - Breezy. Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of (1 more message)

21:29 <BadBarbarian> &more

21:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: rain showers in the evening...a chance of rain showers after midnight. Snow level above 9000 feet. Lows 37 to 43. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of showers 40 percent.;

21:29 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

21:29 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 38F / 3C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 29 on the North Rim to around 47 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs around 45 on the North Rim to around 63 along the Colorado (1 more message)

21:30 <BadBarbarian> &more

21:30 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain showers. Lows around 35 on the North Rim to around 57 along the Colorado River. South winds 15 to 20 mph.;

21:30 <Tank_Master_> &weather 97007

21:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master_: Temperature: 48.5F / 9.2C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain likely. Lows around 40. Light wind.; Thursday - Rain likely. Highs around 45. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 30 to 35. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Flood Warning for Washington County in effect (1 more message)

21:30 <Tank_Master_> &more

21:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master_: until 10:49 PM PST on December 07, 2007;

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21:43 <PovAddict> I have LHC work

21:43 <PovAddict> and it seems I already ran and reported other two workunits

21:44 <PovAddict> hmm this doesn't seem right

21:45 <PovAddict> 8.24 credits for 2300 seconds

21:45 <PovAddict> hmm wait that's less than an hour

21:50 <BadBarbarian> evening all

21:50 * Tank_Master_ is glad PovAddict can count

21:50 <PovAddict> <.<

21:51 <BadBarbarian> tigerdirect messed up and credited my account so i have to check the bank and than reorder the quad

21:51 <Soul_keeper> what does the performance of a  A110(800MHz)  cpu compare to ?

21:51 <Tank_Master_> gl

21:52 <Soul_keeper> is it atleast as fast as an 800MHz P3 ?

21:52 <Tank_Master_> a110?

21:52 <PovAddict> &google a110

21:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.13 seconds: Circular No. A-110 -- Uniform Administrative Requirements for ...: <>; Request for Comments on Clarifying Changes to Proposed Revision on ...: <>; Intel® Processor A100 and A110 on 90 nm Process with 512-KB L2 ...: (2 more messages)

21:52 <Soul_keeper> it's intel's cpu for small laptops and handheld devices

21:52 <PovAddict> whitehouse?!

21:52 <PovAddict> &more

21:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: <>; Intel® Ultra Mobile Platform 2007: <>; Alpine A110 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; To NIH Grantees and Applicants: Notice Of Amendment To A-110: <>; Illusions Reveal the (1 more message)

21:53 <Soul_keeper> i'm wondering how it compares to a via c7 1.2GHz cpu

21:54 <Soul_keeper> which is essentially as fast as the slowest P4 willamente

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21:59 <Soul_keeper> why does everything i want cost money ?

21:59 <Tank_Master> cus the world is crule in that way

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22:33 <zombie67> "8.24 credits for 2300 seconds" why do you say that looks wrong?

22:33 <PovAddict> because I didn't think it correctly

22:33 <PovAddict> I wish the workunit page showed hh:mm:ss instead of a total second count

22:34 <zombie67> ah

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23:21 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: you'll like this

23:21 <Romulus> <> (at

23:21 <PovAddict> and now I'm off to sleep

23:24 <Soul_keeper> late

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23:46 <mweltin> ok I'm stummped

23:46 <mweltin> I still can't get this thing to build

23:47 <MTughan> Can you pastebin the errors?

23:47 <mweltin> I'm used Mersenne as one big monolithick file and not

23:47 <mweltin>

23:47 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

23:48 <mweltin> right now Mersenne is split into two files.

23:48 <mweltin> a header and the cpp code

23:49 <mweltin> I need to understand what is happening with the inline functions?

23:49 <mweltin> are they really placed in line i.e. in the code they are callled in?

23:49 <MTughan> Those are missing functions...

23:49 <mweltin> thats the thing htey are defined in the header file.

23:50 <mweltin> and both the ga.cpp and Individual.cpp call the header file.

23:50 <MTughan> Yeah, don't try to compile MersenneTwister.cpp with it.

23:50 <mweltin> so I have no idea why they would be undefinded.

23:50 <mweltin> it is

23:50 <mweltin> last file in the list of source files.

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23:51 <mweltin> order doens't matter.

23:51 <MTughan> Why are you trying to compile IndividualClass.cpp and MersenneTwister.cpp with it?

23:51 <mweltin> i needs those files, ga.cpp creates a vector of Individuals

23:52 <MTughan> ga.cpp should already have the functions from MersenneTwister.h in it, so you don't need that.

23:52 <mweltin> and ga.cpp is what will read the state of the RNG

23:52 <mweltin> I split the MersenneTwister.h into cpp and h compoments.

23:52 <MTughan> Ah, so the .h is actually a header file now.

23:53 <mweltin> yes, I had no luck the other way, I kept getting the redefinition error.

23:53 <mweltin> and yes I made sure there was no inclucde to Mesenner.cpp

23:53 <MTughan> Yeah, because you were trying to include the same code twice.

23:54 <MTughan> Try with just the full .h again, and try this command:

23:54 <MTughan> g++ -g  -static  -I/boinc/include/BOINC  -I../lib IndividualClass.cpp ga.cpp -L/boinc/lib -lboinc_api -L/boinc/lib -lboinc -L../lib ../lib/gaParser.o ../lib/mylib.o   -lexpat -lpthread  -o ga

23:54 <MTughan> Should get rid of at least two of those errors.

23:55 <MTughan> And tell IndividualClass.cpp to import MersenneTwister.h if it doesn't already.

23:57 <mweltin> now I'm back to the multiple definition of randperm

23:57 <MTughan> Whoa... Two things: what's with the "<<<<<<< .mine" on line 37, and why is MersenneTwister.h being included twice?

23:57 <MTughan> ga.cpp here.

23:57 <mweltin> <<<<< is a conflict from svn

23:57 <MTughan> Okay, so I'll remove it.

23:58 <mweltin> and both ga.cpp and Individual need to have the headr inof.

23:58 <mweltin> yes

23:58 <MTughan> Wait, that's it...

23:58 <mweltin> what?

23:58 <MTughan> Something I've seen in other Makefiles... Hold on, I'll make the change and commit it to SVN.

23:58 <MTughan> s/Makefiles/header files/

23:59 <MTughan> Wait, nvm. It's there.

23:59 <mweltin> #ifndef

23:59 <mweltin> yeah

23:59 <mweltin> thats another thing that is messed up.

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