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00:40 <quail> afternoon all, how are we all?
00:41 <efc> moo Q
00:41 <quail> hey, how are you?
00:42 <efc> very tired, but working on some math anyway
00:43 <efc> got some more Muzak hehe
00:44 <quail> ;-)
00:44 <efc> Ronstadt doing standards
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00:44 * quail configuring my new mobile phone
00:52 <quail> i bought a nokia 6120 yesterday as my old mobile phone died last weekend
01:19 * CoderForLife falls out of bed and into #boinc
01:20 <CoderForLife> ouch - what a rude awakening
01:25 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
01:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 30°F / -1.1°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy early this evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. A slight chance of snow this evening...then snow after midnight. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Not as cold with lows in the upper 20s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 90 (2 more messages)
01:26 <CoderForLife> &more
01:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.; Friday - Cloudy. A chance of snow with a slight chance of rain in the morning. Highs around 40. South winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Friday Night - Rain likely in the evening...then occasional rain after midnight. Early lows in the lower 30s...then temperatures rising. Light northeast winds. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Snow Advisory for Hamilton County in (1 more message)
01:26 <CoderForLife> &more
01:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: effect until 10:00 AM EST on December 07, 2007;
01:31 <CoderForLife> back 2 bed
01:33 <efc> night cfl
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01:44 <zombie67> hi mweltin
01:44 <zombie67> berkeley still down
01:44 <mweltin> bionc is still down
01:44 <zombie67> hah
01:44 <mweltin> I just checked.
01:45 <zombie67> jinx you owe me a coke
01:45 <mweltin> there will be decay at TSP soon.
01:45 <mweltin> hahaah that reminds me of my all time favorite simpsons quote.
01:45 <zombie67> shoot!
01:45 <mweltin> "I tell you what Smithers, if we come back and they are all slaughtered I owe you a coke."
01:46 <zombie67> heh
01:46 <zombie67> "Homer! There's a man here who thinks he can help you! "
01:46 <zombie67> "Batman? "
01:46 <zombie67> "No, he's a scientist! "
01:46 <zombie67> "Batman's a scientist. "
01:46 <zombie67> "It's NOT Batman! " --Marge and Homer Simpson
01:46 <mweltin> its the one where they do the spoof on the shinning.
01:46 <mweltin> hahahahaah
01:46 <zombie67> homer is my hero
01:47 <mweltin> I'm a Krusty fan myself.
01:47 <zombie67> "Excuse me, sir. Has anyone turned in a left Vulcan ear?"--The Simpsons
01:47 <zombie67> comic book guy is my #2
01:47 <mweltin> Althought the scene where he goes into the witness protection program is classic.
01:48 <zombie67> I like when they take a vacation in FL
01:48 <mweltin> he and bumble bee man rule
01:50 <zombie67> the psychiatrist tell homer to vacation in florida to relieve stress
01:50 <zombie67> Florida? But that's America's wang.
01:50 <zombie67> They prefer "the sunshine state"
01:50 <mweltin> LOL
01:50 <mweltin> I don't think i have seen that one.
01:51 <mweltin> I haven't had a TV for a long time. I miss a lot.
01:51 <zombie67> 30-Apr-2000
01:52 <mweltin> well I had a tv back then
01:52 <zombie67> hah! remembered it pretty good:
01:52 <zombie67> Doctor:What you need is a good, long rest. I suggest Florida.
01:52 <zombie67> Homer:Florida? But that's America's wang!
01:52 <zombie67> Doctor:They prefer, "The Sunshine State."
01:52 <zombie67> not bad for 7 years ago!
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01:53 <mweltin> not bad at all
01:54 <zombie67> so you figured out how to turn on the scheduling for rac decay?
01:54 <Tank_Master> ib
01:55 <mweltin> scheduling is no problem
01:55 <mweltin> Tank_Master!!
01:55 <zombie67> TM!
01:55 <zombie67> sweet.
01:55 <zombie67> it is also the same "section" that does stats updates, I think
01:56 <mweltin> so its a php file?
01:56 <zombie67> no...
01:56 <zombie67> don't think so
01:56 <mweltin> cause its not in been.
01:56 <zombie67> I sure wish BOINC was up
01:56 <zombie67> I should just keep a local cache of that page
01:57 <zombie67> almost every new project needs to be asked to turn on rac decay
01:57 <zombie67> that tells me the problem is not with the admins, but with the BOINC set up
01:58 <Soul_keeper> fun times
01:58 <zombie67> FRY: Uh, just so we'll know, who's the enemy? ZAPP: A valid question. We know nothing about their language, their history or what they look like. But we can assume this: They stand for everything we don't stand for. Also, they told me you guys look like dorks. -- Futurama
01:58 <Soul_keeper> this build dir in linux sure makes my code monkey life easier
02:01 <mweltin> there is a bunhc of stuff in /html/inc/
02:01 <mweltin> host.inc and team.inc
02:01 <mweltin> I'm running grep on decay
02:01 <mweltin> in my project dir.
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02:07 <mweltin> looks like host_update_credit.php may be what I need to run.
02:08 <mweltin> not sure
02:08 <mweltin> I have to take off for a bit
02:08 <mweltin> bbl
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02:12 <zombie67> dang
02:13 <Tank_Master> he left a while ago
02:13 <Tank_Master> your timing with link posts is off tonight ;)
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02:34 <Tank_Master> &cyborg FFT
02:34 <Romulus> Tank_Master: F.F.T.: Forbidden Fighting Technician
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02:58 <zombie67> Z.O.M.B.I.E.: Zombie Optimized for Masterful Battle and Immediate Exploration
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04:09 <freelarry> humm appears ufluid offline
04:13 <CoderForLife> appears freelarry online
04:14 <CoderForLife> morning
04:14 <freelarry> nahh he's never on line CoderForLife
04:15 <freelarry> just some dusty ol ghost around here
04:15 <CoderForLife> lights are on but nobody's home?
04:15 <freelarry> yup
04:16 <freelarry> getting the floors done upstairs
04:16 <freelarry> as well as repainting
04:16 <CoderForLife> progress....
04:17 <freelarry> some 16 yrs with same carpet and it was looking bad to me
04:17 <freelarry> putting lamenant down now
04:17 <CoderForLife> hmm
04:17 <freelarry> tightening the subfloor up also to gt rid os a few sqeaks
04:18 <CoderForLife> good thinking
04:18 * freelarry thinks fingers rebelled on him during the last line of typing
04:19 <CoderForLife> a hole has opened in the snow http://cctvimedia.clearchannel.com/wkrc/weather/13.jpg
04:20 <CoderForLife> my deflector dish must be working
04:20 <freelarry> oh my - are you in the center of the doughnut hole?
04:21 <CoderForLife> not quite
04:21 <CoderForLife> I am just north of the second "o" in "Kenwood"
04:21 <freelarry> ahh
04:22 <freelarry> they finally opened I5 for commercial traffic only - one side with one lane north and south
04:22 <freelarry> looks like monday before regular traffic will be allowed again at earliest
04:23 <freelarry> moved a lot of the jersey barriers while under water
04:23 <CoderForLife> ah - weather service has just canceled the snow advisory
04:23 <freelarry> one side has some bed damage as well as minor surface damage
04:24 <freelarry> thats good - but because they did that - you can expect 4 foot by evening
04:24 <CoderForLife> I remember the hammering the I5 bridge took from Mt. St. Helens
04:24 <freelarry> ;)
04:24 <freelarry> lol bet more than one bridge
04:25 <CoderForLife> battering-ram trees embedded in liquid concrete slamming into the supports
04:25 <freelarry> was in indian ocean when that occured and still got some ash from it
04:27 <freelarry> had just got back to states when Mt Pinatubo went in PI and buried the air field there
04:28 <freelarry> still saw a little of the damage that occured at subic a few years later
04:28 <freelarry> but base had already been closed by that time too
04:29 * freelarry wonders what is going to happen to I5 over the next few years - they don't want to let it keep getting closed due to flooding
04:30 <freelarry> but 20 mile stretch and deepest area was 10ft under water
04:30 <freelarry> a very long bridge?
04:31 <freelarry> or massive roadbed buildup?
04:32 <freelarry> reroute?
04:32 <freelarry> doesn't matter - going to be very expensive no matter what
04:33 <freelarry> oh wait i know - build a tunnel over it 8)
04:34 <freelarry> ufluid back online
04:35 <CoderForLife> yup
04:35 <CoderForLife> they could use my deflection dish
04:42 <freelarry> humm think your deflection dish was aimed at them for a little while ;)
04:43 <freelarry> well it time
04:43 <freelarry> &nn all
04:43 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
04:47 <CoderForLife> me2
04:48 <CoderForLife> w@#%
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07:11 <BadBarbarian> Morning
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07:26 <hawmps> well... made it to wirk...
07:26 <hawmps> er w$%k
07:26 <BadBarbarian> cool
07:27 <hawmps> not betting on length of stay though
07:27 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023
07:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 40°F / 4.4°C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11.3km/h ; Today - Windy. Rain showers. Snow level 7000 feet in the afternoon. Highs around 38 on the North Rim to around 57 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 50 mph.; Tonight - Windy. Mostly cloudy. Rain and snow showers likely (2 more messages)
07:27 <BadBarbarian> &more
07:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: in the evening...a chance of rain and snow showers after midnight. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Snow level 6000 feet. Lows around 24 on the North Rim to around 45 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 45 mph becoming south around 15 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.; Saturday - Colder. Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow (1 more message)
07:27 <BadBarbarian> &more
07:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: and rain showers. Little or no snow accumulation. Snow level 4500 feet. Highs around 30 on the North Rim to around 49 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds around 15 mph in the morning becoming light.; Wind Advisory for Coconino County in effect until 6:00 PM MST on December 07, 2007;
07:28 <BadBarbarian> hell we are havivg gusts to 45 mpn now lol
07:31 <CoderForLife> our 1 to 3 inches turned out to be just a dusting
07:31 <CoderForLife> morning hawmps BadBarbarian
07:31 <CoderForLife> snow advisory was cancelled
07:32 <CoderForLife> well - back to w@#%
07:33 <BadBarbarian> hi CFL
07:34 <BadBarbarian> its blowing a solid 35 mph out side my window
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08:02 <hawmps> 'lo
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08:41 <PriitM> wow, someone asked where to download new video card :/
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11:27 <hawmps> w00t
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11:54 <BadBarbarian> howdy all
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13:48 <_coredump_> hi there
13:49 <TMatWork> yo
13:50 <_coredump_> whats wrong with the latest boinc client...cant connect to my seti account with ubuntu 7.10 linux when installing the client and want to connect to seti
13:50 <PovAddict> what version?
13:50 <_coredump_> latest stable
13:50 <_coredump_> .21
13:50 <PovAddict> what error do you get, if any?
13:50 <_coredump_> rosetta and other projects work
13:50 <PovAddict> oh wait, did you try recently?
13:51 <PovAddict> SETI was down for like 18 hours yesterday
13:51 <_coredump_> no error, i cant enter any mailadress or password when selecting seti-project
13:51 <_coredump_> in the gtk interface
13:51 <_coredump_> i tried one hour ago
13:51 <_coredump_> some minutes after the seti.berkley.edu came back online
13:53 <_coredump_> can i add the projects i use in boinc with boinc_cmd via console command? as workaround for the gui not working?
13:53 <PovAddict> yes, but the syntax was made easier on some version, let me check if .21 has the "old" or "new" cmd line syntax for attach
13:55 <PovAddict> ok, do this:
13:55 <Romulus> Title: SETI@home (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
13:55 <PovAddict> it will print a long alphanumeric code (don't paste it here, or people could get in your account!)
13:56 <Romulus> Title: SETI@home (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
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13:56 <_coredump_> thx PovAddict think that will do the job!
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14:16 <TMatWork> wb z
14:17 <PovAddict> _coredump_: did you get it working?
14:18 <_coredump_> yes PovAddict it worked, thx a lot!
14:23 <PovAddict> 37d uptime!
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14:26 <zombie67> hello
14:26 <zombie67> mweltin, got that rac decay all dialed in now?
14:26 <TMatWork> mw!
14:27 <mweltin> hey I was reading it now, and from what I can tell I already have it working.
14:27 <mweltin> Tank_Master!
14:27 <zombie67> hmmmm
14:27 <mweltin> from ProjectTasks.php it shows update_stats
14:27 <PovAddict> mweltin: MTughan committed some changes to svn, see if it compiles for you now
14:27 <zombie67> ok, my rac right now is 1181
14:27 <mweltin> "updates the recent averate credit fields"
14:27 <zombie67> ill look again tomorrow.
14:28 <zombie67> how often do you have it set to run?
14:28 <PovAddict> update_stats, that's the one
14:28 <mweltin> I dont' see a decay
14:28 <mweltin> period is 7 days.
14:28 <PovAddict> set it daily
14:29 <mweltin> ok
14:30 <zombie67> impressive!
14:30 <PovAddict> peaked at 2x sieve
14:30 <zombie67> I'll help after xmas.
14:31 <PovAddict> yeah I know
14:31 <PovAddict> you're busy with WCG
14:31 <TMatWork> looks like we are really stiring up RS
14:31 <mweltin> ok zombie67 done
14:31 <zombie67> thanks mweltin!
14:31 <zombie67> gotta run. bbl
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14:31 <mweltin> bye
14:35 <hawmps> hmmm... snow...
14:36 <TMatWork> sweet
14:37 <TMatWork> snow is always fun to have
14:37 <TMatWork> no matter how much
14:39 <PovAddict> who wants an auto-updating list of platforms supported by projects?
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14:41 <mweltin> doesn't effect me too much. Sounds like a good idea.
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14:51 <CoderForLife> plink 126.96.36.199
14:52 <PovAddict> plink 188.8.131.52
14:52 <hawmps> snuffed
14:52 <efc> moo
14:54 <CoderForLife> moo
14:55 <CoderForLife> ker-plunked - thx PovAddict
15:02 <TMatWork> we cows now?
15:03 <TMatWork> :)
15:03 <PovAddict> moo
15:05 <hawmps> baaaahhh
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15:12 <CoderForLife> who? who?
15:15 <PovAddict> hrm
15:15 <Romulus> Title: JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library (at java.sun.com)
15:15 <PovAddict> see, even Romulus knows what it is, and Eclipse doesn't?
15:24 <TMatWork> lunch time! (and makin a fry's run ;)
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16:22 <xcamel> re-hi
16:23 <freelarry> howdy
16:23 <mweltin> yo
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16:29 <freelarry> netsplit
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16:38 <Romulus> WB, Boss
16:38 <xcamel> hmm..
16:39 <xcamel> &weather 12074
16:39 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 24.1°F / -4.4°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021.2hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow showers this evening... then a slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 20s. South winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. West (1 more message)
16:39 <xcamel> &more
16:39 <Romulus> xcamel: winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Colder with lows around 11. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;
16:40 <xcamel> you made out ok there larry?
16:42 * CoderForLife pulls himself together
16:42 <xcamel> wow - lag was way off the scale for a while..
16:43 * xcamel is still looking for all the parts
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16:43 <CoderForLife> I need to drive into w@#% to get the company laptop and my notes - I'm afraid to put the laptop in the car and leave it in the hospital parking garage
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16:44 <CoderForLife> alhthough the hard disk is encrypted and there's nothing on there, I hate to tempt folks
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16:45 <mweltin> guess what?
16:45 <CoderForLife> 60 watt
16:45 <xcamel> erg?
16:45 <mweltin> I'm going diving with the govenor or American Samoa
16:46 <PovAddict> be careful with so much diving
16:46 <PovAddict> you may convert into a fish
16:46 <xcamel> sounds like fun... hi name isn't "kennedy" is it.... ???
16:46 <CoderForLife> lol
16:46 <xcamel> watch the bridges...
16:46 <mweltin> ouch
16:46 <CoderForLife> the governors name isn't Mary Jo, is it?
16:47 <PovAddict> &list web
16:47 <Romulus> PovAddict: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
16:47 <mweltin> good point I should look up his name.
16:47 <Romulus> PovAddict: HTTP Error 404: /
16:47 <PovAddict> so it *is* accessible from outside world
16:47 <mweltin> He has to sign my application to approve my business license.
16:47 <mweltin> this is a rare opertunity.
16:48 <mweltin> Togiola T.A. Tulafono
16:48 <PovAddict> 0.o
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16:54 <CoderForLife> I'll bbl
16:54 <xcamel> amazing that it hasn't been above freezing all week...
16:55 <efc> &weather 30625
16:55 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 61°F / 16°C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. Light and variable winds becoming southeast up to 5 mph after midnight.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. Light and variable winds.; Saturday Night - Mostly (1 more message)
17:09 <MTughan> PovAddict: Thanks for telling me, will do.
17:09 <MTughan> I get no updates.
17:09 <PovAddict> wut
17:09 <MTughan> TSP, apparently mweltin made changes.
17:09 <mweltin> crap now what
17:09 <PovAddict> I was telling mweltin that *you* had made changes
17:09 <MTughan> Oh... Oops. :P
17:10 <MTughan> Yeah, I figured out the problem.
17:10 <mweltin> I updated the period update_stats runs.
17:14 <mweltin> I'm going to have to start branching.
17:14 <mweltin> I keep breaking my own build
17:16 <MTughan> Did you try what I committed to SV?
17:16 <MTughan> SVN*
17:16 <PovAddict> hmm right
17:17 <MTughan> <smmagic> About to run windows 3.11 on my PS
17:17 <MTughan> PSP, that is.
17:17 <mweltin> yeah
17:17 <PovAddict> O_O
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17:26 <MTughan> Did he even notice that I had updated SVN?
17:26 <PovAddict> maybe
17:26 <PovAddict> maybe not
17:27 <MTughan> If he did, he didn't say.
17:31 <MTughan> Hehe... Nice.
17:31 <MTughan> &xkcd
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17:35 <yoyo[RKN]> ha
17:35 <yoyo[RKN]> was a problem t connect
17:35 <yoyo[RKN]> moin
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17:50 <wraund> on BOINC i can 'attach to account manager', is that meant for people who run more than one project?
17:51 <PovAddict> it's meant for people who... use an account manager :)
17:51 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)
17:51 <wraund> sigh
17:51 <PovAddict> account managers are useful if you have many projects and many computers, even more if you don't have easy access to all your computers
17:51 <wraund> but what does it MEAN
17:51 <wraund> ah
17:51 <wraund> i have a laptop and desktop beside me :)
17:51 <wraund> both running just rosetta
17:51 <wraund> no problems so far
17:51 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager (at bam.boincstats.com)
17:53 <wraund> :o
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18:39 <CoderForLife> back
18:41 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
18:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 35.3°F / 1.8°C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022.6hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Occasional rain. Lows in the mid 30s. Light northeast winds. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Saturday - Cloudy. A chance of rain in the morning. Highs in the lower 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; (1 more message)
18:41 <CoderForLife> &more
18:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Saturday Night - Rain. Lows in the upper 30s. Temperature rising into the lower 40s after midnight. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.;
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18:41 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
18:41 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 24°F / -4°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Low around 15. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Cloudy. A chance of snow in the morning...then snow likely in the afternoon. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. High around 20. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 (1 more message)
18:41 <wdsmia> &more
18:41 <Romulus> wdsmia: percent.; Saturday Night - Snow likely. Snow accumulation around 1 inch. Low around 15. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.;
18:41 <CoderForLife> &sendrainbacktoiowa
18:42 <CoderForLife> dang
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18:42 <wdsmia> &sendsnowtoohio
18:42 <wdsmia> double dang lol
18:42 <CoderForLife> =)
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18:48 <Tank_Master> hey
18:48 <wdsmia> *lo TM
18:49 <Tank_Master> &recallsnowfromChina
18:49 <Tank_Master> you download it!
18:49 <Tank_Master> you bot you!
18:50 <wdsmia> &8ball will rommie ever find his PySQLLite plugin
18:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: One would be wise to think so.
18:51 <Tank_Master> lol
18:51 <Tank_Master> &8ball so in other words no... correct?
18:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: What are you asking me for?
18:52 <Tank_Master> this is one sad sad bot
18:53 <wdsmia> &8ball is Tank_Master ever correct?
18:53 <Romulus> wdsmia: In your dreams.
18:54 <Tank_Master> &8ball will you ever answer a question with yes or no?
18:54 <Romulus> Tank_Master: What are you asking me for?
18:54 <wdsmia> &8ball will you ever answer Tank_Master's question?
18:54 <Romulus> wdsmia: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
18:54 <PovAddict> &8b should I slap Tank_Master?
18:54 <Romulus> PovAddict: Come again?
18:55 <xcamel> TM.. write me a better one...
18:55 * CoderForLife shakes his head, laughing
18:55 <PovAddict> &8b should Tank_Master write a better 8ball plugin for SupyBot?
18:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: Maybe...
18:55 <Tank_Master> &8ball will xcamel clarify what he is talking about?
18:55 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Obviously.
18:55 <CoderForLife> I knew I could depend on this crowd to cheer me up
18:56 <Tank_Master> &8ball is CFL really happy now?
18:56 <Romulus> Tank_Master: The outlook is good.
18:56 <CoderForLife> =)
18:56 <Tank_Master> :)
18:56 <CoderForLife> somewhat happy - got a long way to go on the upside
18:57 <PovAddict> should we ask the downside or not?
18:57 <CoderForLife> but enough of that
18:57 <Tank_Master> &8ball will CFL reach the upside soon?
18:57 <Romulus> Tank_Master: The answer is a resounding no.
18:57 <Tank_Master> well crap
18:57 <PovAddict> :o
18:57 * PovAddict slaps Romulus
18:58 <Tank_Master> lol
18:58 * PovAddict slaps Tank_Master too, for no special reason
18:58 <Tank_Master> soory you can to see that, CFL
18:58 * Tank_Master slaps the slapper
18:59 <CoderForLife> Today is Pearl Harbor Day
18:59 <xcamel> CFL depressed?
19:00 <CoderForLife> my sister was taken back into the ICU this evening from the PCU
19:00 <CoderForLife> she was delirious while I was there today
19:00 * PovAddict looks up acronyms
19:01 <xcamel> ouch, sory to hear that.
19:01 <CoderForLife> sorry Intensive Care Unit
19:01 <Tank_Master> &cyborg PCU
19:01 <Romulus> Tank_Master: P.C.U.: Positronic Cybernetic Unit
19:01 <CoderForLife> Progressive Care Unit
19:01 <PovAddict> :-\
19:01 <CoderForLife> PCU is a step down from ICU
19:01 <Tank_Master> ahh
19:01 <CoderForLife> she's one sick puppy
19:01 <CoderForLife> 5 years younger than me
19:01 <xcamel> god don't let them turn her into a "progressive"....
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19:01 <CoderForLife> lol
19:02 <CoderForLife> she's basically followed the family Democratic slant
19:02 <xcamel> I have 2 sisters like that...
19:02 <xcamel> sick, I mean...
19:02 <CoderForLife> FDR was God, you know
19:02 <CoderForLife> therefore, I am the pariah of the family
19:03 <xcamel> it's a dirty job...
19:03 * PovAddict sends some best wishes in CFL's sister's general direction
19:03 <CoderForLife> as my grandma told me "you don't make enough money to be a Republican"
19:04 <CoderForLife> thanks very much, PovAddict
19:04 <xcamel> I don't make enough money to vote for a democrat...
19:04 <CoderForLife> lol zackly
19:05 <CoderForLife> everytime the subject starts up, we have to talk about what FDR did
19:05 <CoderForLife> and what Bush is doing
19:05 <CoderForLife> I say - "move on"
19:06 <CoderForLife> and "what about you and me and Stephen"
19:06 <xcamel> one sis will probably die with crack in her system, one from something no one ever heard of...
19:06 <CoderForLife> ugh, sorry
19:07 <Tank_Master> yeah, it dosent make sence any more to complain about what Bush is or is not doing, for he's leaving anyway
19:07 <xcamel> can't do a damned thing about it.
19:07 <xcamel> WSJ: Squeezed by Retail Rivals, CompUSA to Shut Down
19:08 <CoderForLife> on the brighter side, Stephen has a parttime job lined up starting in January to code PHP templates for online gaming guild web sites
19:08 <Tank_Master> :)
19:08 <Romulus> Title: ATeamGuild.com - Stonemaul Alliance PVP (at www.ateamguild.com)
19:08 <CoderForLife> yup
19:09 <CoderForLife> he'll balance Coding with classes
19:11 <PovAddict> OOP
19:11 <PovAddict> oh wait, not that kind of classes...
19:11 <CoderForLife> lol
19:11 <Tank_Master> :)
19:11 <CoderForLife> yeah classes on classes
19:12 <Tank_Master> Id rather get a rase when my araise are working
19:12 <xcamel> good for him.
19:12 <PovAddict> hmm seems David just added a feature for 'weak authenticator' on boinc
19:12 <Tank_Master> what dose it do?
19:12 <PovAddict> a separate account key that lets you get workunits but not login to the account or change anything
19:12 <PovAddict> good for public computers and such
19:13 <CoderForLife> yeah - the first real step off the gravy train
19:13 <Tank_Master> FINALLY!
19:13 <Tank_Master> wont need your ream pw in scripts or to hand out to your minions
19:13 <Tank_Master> real*
19:14 <PovAddict> if you change your real password, the weak key goes invalid
19:14 <Tank_Master> y?
19:14 <PovAddict> that's how it works...
19:14 <Tank_Master> I wish they had 2 PWs
19:14 <Tank_Master> one for attaching only and one for account management
19:14 <PovAddict> the weak key is a hash of the real password and the real authenticator
19:15 <Tank_Master> so what good is it?
19:15 <PovAddict> being a hash, you can't reverse it, so it's safe
19:15 <PovAddict> hmm wait...
19:15 <Tank_Master> ahh
19:15 <Tank_Master> ok... makes since
19:15 <PovAddict> it's a hash of the real auth, and the hash of the real password
19:15 <PovAddict> so yeah even more safe
19:15 <PovAddict> hash( auth + hash(pw) )
19:16 <Tank_Master> still wish you didnt need your real pw ti attacha host
19:16 <Tank_Master> would be good for large distributions
19:17 <PovAddict> you don't, you can attach with auth
19:17 <Tank_Master> ?
19:17 <PovAddict> (or with weak auth, now)
19:17 <Tank_Master> the milti-digit key code they send out?
19:17 <PovAddict> yeah
19:17 <PovAddict> I'm not sure how to do it from the GUI though
19:18 <PovAddict> I think if you leave email blank and enter auth on password field or something
19:18 <Tank_Master> you can still use that to get into someone account
19:18 <Tank_Master> but sounds like the weak one you probably cannot
19:18 <PovAddict> yeah
19:18 <Tank_Master> good
19:18 <PovAddict> anyway, not even seti has it yet
19:18 <Tank_Master> more allong the lines what what I want
19:19 <Tank_Master> ehh, sounds like itll come with time
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19:19 <PovAddict> boinc alpha has it
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19:23 <CoderForLife> off to talk to the wife - cya back here soon
19:23 <PovAddict> cya
19:23 <Romulus> Title: WeakAuth - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
19:24 <zombie67> now everyone will have grandma attach their comupters
19:26 <Tank_Master> so if we change our pw, we have to manually change all the files on all the hosts?
19:26 <PovAddict> apparently
19:26 <Tank_Master> Im trying to figure out how the invalidness works
19:26 <Tank_Master> that would suck
19:26 <PovAddict> if the password changes, the weak key changes too
19:27 <Tank_Master> so we wont need to do anything on the hosts already attached?
19:27 <PovAddict> er
19:27 <Tank_Master> just mod the scripts for when we attach new hosts or reattach hosts
19:27 <PovAddict> if the password changes, the correct weak key changes, so the clients using the old key won't work
19:28 <zombie67> "f you change your password, your weak account key changes, and the previous weak account key becomes invalid."
19:29 <Tank_Master> dosent stats what I want to know though
19:30 <Tank_Master> I want to know if it will updates the weak account key on the hosts already attached or not
19:30 <PovAddict> if you attach a hundred clients with the weak key, and then you change your password, those hundred clients won't be able to communicate until you change their key
19:30 <Tank_Master> manually?
19:30 <PovAddict> yep, so don't change your password
19:30 <zombie67> manually update 100 hosts?
19:30 <Tank_Master> no big orgization will go for that
19:30 <zombie67> probably on machines that you don't have access to?
19:30 <PovAddict> don't change your password then
19:31 <zombie67> what if it becomes comprimised?
19:31 <Tank_Master> not with 1,000+ coms spread over different domains
19:31 <PovAddict> you tell me, how do you think it would be possible for the server to tell the client the new key?
19:31 <zombie67> hmmm, what is comprimised here?
19:31 <zombie67> who cares if anyone knowes?
19:31 <Tank_Master> send the new key to hosts already attached
19:32 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: how? server can't send stuff to client, client has to ask for it
19:32 <zombie67> someone may attach a machine to my account? why would I say no?
19:32 <PovAddict> but if client asks for it, he will get "bad account key"
19:32 <Tank_Master> if someone looks in the xml files right now, they will be able to log into the account
19:33 <PovAddict> if you use the feature, don't change your password; simple enough
19:33 <zombie67> ah! If my main password becomes compromised, I may be foreced to change it, which will cause the weak password to change!
19:33 <Tank_Master> perhaps if the hostID is already in the db, it can accept the old key long enough to issue the new onw?
19:33 <PovAddict> exactly
19:33 <zombie67> so you can't just say "don't ever change it"
19:33 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: the weak key is never stored on the database; it's calculated on the fly from the password and real auth
19:34 <Tank_Master> ahh
19:34 <PovAddict> so old key isn't stored, in the same way the DB doesn't keep your old password when you change it
19:34 <zombie67> so some how, the weak password needs to be completely independant of the strong password.
19:35 <PovAddict> by generating it randomly in the same way the real auth is generated, and storing it in the DB, for example
19:35 <Tank_Master> I like the idea of a second PW for attaching and updating hosts only
19:35 <zombie67> agreed
19:36 <zombie67> changing the strong password is unavoidable at times, and should not change the weak password.
19:36 <Tank_Master> keep the primary PW for loging intot he account to make changes
19:36 <zombie67> because the weak password really never should need to change
19:36 <PovAddict> well, a second pw would need a second key anyway
19:36 <Tank_Master> yeah
19:36 <Tank_Master> true
19:36 <PovAddict> remember the client uses the pw only the first time you attach
19:37 <zombie67> ?
19:37 <Tank_Master> but the second PW cannot be used to loginto the website to make changes
19:37 <Tank_Master> (in my world
19:37 <Tank_Master> )
19:37 <zombie67> so once attached, changing the passwd will never have any impact?
19:38 <PovAddict> correct
19:38 <PovAddict> the client never keeps your password
19:38 <PovAddict> search all your XMLs for it, you won't find it
19:38 <zombie67> ah, then TM your question is moot
19:38 <PovAddict> when you attach, client asks the server for the account key from the email and pw; then the client does all the other communication using the key, pw isn't stored on the client
19:39 <PovAddict> the pw is just something easier to remember than thirty-two alphanumeric characters
19:40 <Tank_Master> you can log in using the account key
19:41 <Tank_Master> and it dose store tha
19:41 <PovAddict> internally, you always log in using the account key
19:41 <PovAddict> the only thing your password does is: fetch your account key and use it for everything else
19:42 <Tank_Master> and hence the current problem
19:44 <zombie67> i am still confused
19:44 <zombie67> if I change my strong passwd, does my account key change?
19:44 <Tank_Master> no
19:44 <PovAddict> no, your account key NEVER changes
19:45 <Tank_Master> so anyone can look in the xml file at any time and the the account key and always log in using that
19:45 <Tank_Master> the weak key fixes that vunerbility
19:45 <zombie67> ok, so then changing my strong passwd, which automatically change my weak passwd, which will han NO impact on clients already attached using the weak passwd. Correct?
19:46 <Tank_Master> the weak key is a hash of the PW and the account key
19:46 <PovAddict> there is no weak passwd
19:46 <PovAddict> if you change your real passwd (the only one), the weak key changes
19:46 <PovAddict> if the weak key changes, existing clients attached using the weak key won't work anymore
19:46 <Tank_Master> change the PW and the hash changes
19:46 <Tank_Master> key/pw, potato/pototo
19:47 <zombie67> so if I am forced to change my passwd, then the 1000 clients that have attached via weak key suddenly stop working?
19:47 <Tank_Master> yes
19:47 <PovAddict> yes
19:47 <Tank_Master> if our understanding is correct
19:47 <zombie67> well that is clearly broken
19:47 <Tank_Master> yeah
19:48 <Tank_Master> but noone can log in with the weak key...
19:48 <zombie67> the whole point of the weak key is to make this work, not to break it.
19:48 <PovAddict> I'm waiting for Romulus's online log to update to give the link to DA
19:48 <Tank_Master> only attach hosts and fo the hosts to update
19:49 <Tank_Master> the point of the eak key is to projects your account
19:49 <Tank_Master> not make it easy ;)
19:49 <Tank_Master> protect*
19:49 <zombie67> protect, yes. "briik" BOINC installations, no.
19:49 <zombie67> :brick"
19:50 <zombie67> "brick"
19:50 <zombie67> can't type
19:50 <Tank_Master> blame th ekeyboard
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19:50 <Tank_Master> I just cant see mac2312 using it...
19:51 <Tank_Master> hiya SK
19:51 <zombie67> so, having bricked my 1000 machines, the only solution is to long into each machine, one by one, and provide the new weak key. That will never happen.
19:51 <Tank_Master> you can write a script to do it...
19:51 <Tank_Master> just overwright the file
19:51 <PovAddict> if you have access to all the computers
19:51 <zombie67> right, *IF* you have access....
19:52 <Tank_Master> but yeah, its sitll a pain and not 100% garenteed the script will work on all 1000+ comps
19:52 <Tank_Master> use AD to run on bootup?
19:52 <Tank_Master> (active directory)
19:52 <PovAddict> if you have enough access to change the key on 1000+ comps in an automated way, then you probably don't need the weak key, the normal account key will do
19:52 <zombie67> this needs to be changed somehow, so that changing the passwd has nothing to do with the weaki key
19:53 <zombie67> they need to be completely separate.
19:53 <Tank_Master> its fine if the weak key changes, so long as I dont have to go back to all 50 million comps to manually change the weak key
19:53 <PovAddict> it can't change automatically
19:53 <PovAddict> so, it better not change
19:53 <Tank_Master> I prefer a second PW/key
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19:54 <zombie67> TM: I agree
19:54 <zombie67> second PW/key
19:54 <Tank_Master> one for the website and one for attaching hosts
19:54 <zombie67> is the way to go
19:54 <Tank_Master> they can be the same if the uses desides to, but it should also work if its different
19:55 <Tank_Master> I know willy talked about using blank PWs to attach hosts to BAM!
19:55 <Tank_Master> but it never happened
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19:57 <zombie67> did anyone discuss this weak key modification first? I am on all three lists and did not see it.
19:57 <Tank_Master> probably not
19:57 <PovAddict> no
19:58 <PovAddict> DA announced the feature, but there was never any discussion before
19:58 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master, zombie67, and PovAddict with a thirty-two alphanumeric character key
19:58 <Tank_Master> DA should visit here more often ;)
19:58 <zombie67> if a dummy like me can see the problem...
19:59 <zombie67> discussion in a forum of people first would probably avoided this.
19:59 * Tank_Master slaps wdsmia with romulus
20:02 <Tank_Master> one pw for me to access the website and make changes tot he account, and another pw for the host to communicate to the server
20:02 <Tank_Master> then the pw for the client could even be blank
20:03 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master with Hillary Clinton
20:03 <Tank_Master> i meen, y DO we need a pw to attach a host to our account?
20:04 * Tank_Master soves wdsmia under Bill Clinton's desk
20:05 <zombie67> smoky underthere...
20:05 <Tank_Master> lol
20:05 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007
20:05 <Tank_Master> &more
20:05 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 45.3°F / 7.4°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Patchy fog in the morning. Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers in (1 more message)
20:05 <Romulus> Tank_Master: the morning...then mostly sunny in the afternoon. Snow level 1500 feet in the morning. Highs 40 to 45. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear and colder. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the mid to upper 20s. Light wind...except east to 10 mph near the Columbia Gorge.;
20:07 <Tank_Master> Z.. gettin enough rain?
20:08 <zombie67> no rain here
20:08 <zombie67> &weather 94568
20:09 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 52.7°F / 11.5°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1003.6hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy...becoming mostly clear. Lows in the lower 40s. West winds 10 to 20 mph.; Saturday - Partly cloudy. Highs in the lower to mid 50s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 30s. (1 more message)
20:09 <zombie67> &more
20:09 <Romulus> zombie67: North winds 5 to 15 mph.;
20:09 <wdsmia> theres no rain here eather
20:09 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
20:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 21°F / -6°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Low around 15. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Cloudy. A chance of snow in the morning...then snow likely in the afternoon. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. High around 20. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 (1 more message)
20:09 <wdsmia> &more
20:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: percent.; Saturday Night - Snow likely. Snow accumulation around 1 inch. Low around 15. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.;
20:10 <wdsmia> snow on the other hand we have plenty :(
20:11 <Tank_Master> can you box up some of that snow and send it my way?
20:11 <wdsmia> take as much as you like but I dont deliver :P
20:11 <Tank_Master> lol
20:12 <Tank_Master> fed-ex it
20:12 <Tank_Master> im sure they wont mind
20:14 * wdsmia wonders how much dry ice it would take to keep a ton of snow from melting on it trip to Tank_Master
20:14 <Tank_Master> lol
20:14 <Tank_Master> depends on if the cabon is refridgerated ir not
20:18 <Romulus> Title: Join Team SETI.USA (at www.setiusa.net)
20:24 * wdsmia wonders why anyone would join a second rate team like that? :P
20:25 <Tank_Master> its a list of projects an their discriptin
20:25 <Tank_Master> I worked hard on that page...
20:32 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023
20:32 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 37°F / 2.8°C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 12.9km/h ; Tonight - Breezy. Mostly cloudy. Rain and snow showers in the evening...scattered rain and snow showers after midnight. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Snow level 7000 feet decreasing to 5500 feet after midnight. Lows around 25 on the North Rim to around (2 more messages)
20:32 <BadBarbarian> &more
20:32 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 44 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph decreasing to 30 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Saturday - Colder. Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of rain and snow showers. No snow accumulation. Snow level 4500 feet. Highs around 30 on the North Rim to around 49 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds around 15 mph.; Saturday Night (1 more message)
20:32 <BadBarbarian> &more
20:32 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow and rain showers in the evening...a slight chance of rain and snow showers after midnight. No snow accumulation. Snow level 4000 feet. Lows around 19 on the North Rim to around 38 along the Colorado River. Light winds. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; Wind Advisory for Coconino County in effect until 8:00 PM MST on December 07, 2007;
20:32 <PovAddict> dinner ->
20:32 <wdsmia> &8ball will Tank_Master ever learn that he will get nothing but sarcasm on any job well done in this room
20:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: Come again?
20:32 <Tank_Master> &more BB
20:32 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: I haven't seen BB.
20:33 <BadBarbarian> &more
20:33 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Error: That's all, there is no more.
20:33 <Tank_Master> :)
20:33 <Tank_Master> &more luser
20:33 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: I haven't seen luser.
20:33 <Tank_Master> &more a fly on the wall
20:33 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: I haven't seen a.
20:33 <Tank_Master> &more a_fly_on_the_wall
20:33 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: I haven't seen a_fly_on_the_wall.
20:34 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around with a large fly swatter
20:34 * BadBarbarian slaps Tank_Master with a rainbow trout
20:34 * Tank_Master takes a shot at the rod on the fly swatter and scores a direct hit
20:35 <BadBarbarian> has freelarry been on
20:35 * Tank_Master causes the fly swater to swing around and hit wdsmia in the face
20:35 <wdsmia> freelarry (4h.5m.49s idle)
20:36 <BadBarbarian> thanx
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20:37 * wdsmia takes the fly swatter and stick it up Tank_Master's .....
20:38 * Tank_Master shoots the fly swater out his ___ and hits wdsmia in the gut
20:38 * wdsmia takes a shower
20:39 * Tank_Master puts some HCL in wdsmia's watter
20:40 <efc2> All this has happened before, and all this will happen again. Three hours later when the first rerun hits.
20:40 <Tank_Master> hehe
20:40 <wdsmia> lol
20:40 <Tank_Master> I could neevr understand why people make the same dumb mistates in the reruns
20:41 <wdsmia> well time to find something to eat bbiab
20:41 <Tank_Master> its almost like their life is scripted or somrthing
20:41 <Tank_Master> hf
20:41 <efc2> Brought to you by Quizno's. Mmm Mmm Mmm, Toasy
20:41 <Tank_Master> ugg
20:42 <efc2> I either didn't catch that or they skipped it in the rerun
20:44 <Tank_Master> I think im gonna skipp the next several lines and catch a nap
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21:02 <xcamel> back again
21:10 <efc2> Yo
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22:03 <efc2> darn, there's not a #hair
22:14 <wdsmia> going bald there efc2 ?
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22:55 <efc2> Just watching these shampoo commercials with the gorgeous hair.. how do you get that ?!?!
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23:32 <Tank_Master> wb bb
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23:36 <Tank_Master> is Belgian Beer@Home
23:36 <Tank_Master> dead?
23:36 <PovAddict> kinda
23:37 <Tank_Master> I cant get to the url
23:37 <BadBarbarian> evening tank & POV
23:37 <Tank_Master> there ya are
23:37 <PovAddict> seems the subdomain expired
23:37 <Tank_Master> ouch
23:37 <PovAddict> dyndns sends warning emails, so they probably don't care
23:37 <PovAddict> OR
23:37 <PovAddict> they deleted it manually
23:37 <Tank_Master> sould I out it in the retiered section?
23:38 <PovAddict> I'd say...
23:38 <PovAddict> btw I'm making a list of projects and its supported platforms
23:39 <Tank_Master> zombie already has that
23:39 <PovAddict> does it automatically update?
23:39 <Tank_Master> hehe
23:39 <Tank_Master> I not 100% sure, but I think not
23:40 <Tank_Master> when you get it up and running, mind if we put a link to it from our join page?
23:41 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080/boinc-stuff/projects <- hardcoded data atm
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23:48 <PovAddict> who's 184.108.40.206
23:49 <Tank_Master> no me
23:49 <MTughan> Not me either.
23:49 <Tank_Master> mine is 71.x.x.x
23:49 <PovAddict> his IP maps to morons.org
23:49 <Tank_Master> lol
23:49 <MTughan> Tank_Master: We can get your IP from IRC.
23:49 <PovAddict> MTughan: I whois'd almost everybody on the channel
23:50 <PovAddict> figured Tank_Master and BadBarbarian saw the page but I can't find who 220.127.116.11 is
23:50 <Tank_Master> I dunno
23:52 <Tank_Master> I havent yet reposted it either
23:52 <Tank_Master> (yet)
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23:54 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: you gotta update /join
23:54 <PovAddict> yoyo@home now also runs evo
23:54 <PovAddict> the description only mentions golomb ruler
23:57 <Tank_Master> oh, well, its word for wrld what yoyo wanted
23:57 <Tank_Master> I asked him spicifically "what do you want so to post there?"
23:57 <Tank_Master> us*
23:57 <PovAddict> maybe that was before he added the new app :)
23:57 <Tank_Master> probably
23:58 <PovAddict> nnsimu needs description
23:58 <Tank_Master> all reask him when he gets on
23:58 <Tank_Master> I didnt have one
23:58 <PovAddict> ncssm doesn't say what it does
23:58 <PovAddict> well I'm just reporting
23:58 <Tank_Master> I know
23:58 <Tank_Master> one isnt reachable any more and the other wont say for crap
23:59 <PovAddict> depspid: I think first and second paragraph should be swapped... first say what it does, *then* say it's windows-only