IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2007-12-09

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00:11 <zombie67> hi

00:12 <zombie67> pov is asleep now, I think

00:12 <mweltin> I'm just stopping in to say hi.

00:12 <mweltin> did you see I got to hvae dinner with the governor of American Samoa?

00:12 <zombie67> very impressive!

00:12 <zombie67> yep, I say

00:12 <zombie67> saw

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00:13 <zombie67> I subscribe to your news RSS

00:13 <mweltin> yeah, I went out with him and the chief of police for their cert dives.

00:13 <mweltin> nice

00:13 <zombie67> who drives?

00:13 <zombie67> would make me nercvouse to drive with a cop in the car

00:13 <zombie67> nervous

00:14 <zombie67> ro do you all just meet up there?

00:14 <mweltin> divers did I write drivers?

00:14 <mweltin> we had a police boat escort too.

00:14 <zombie67> no, who drives to the dive?

00:14 <mweltin> what?!

00:14 <mweltin> we just drove up to the house

00:15 <mweltin> It's not even a mile away.

00:15 <zombie67> so you met ther

00:15 <zombie67> cool

00:15 <mweltin> for dinner, yes.

00:15 <zombie67> how many people dining?

00:16 <zombie67> do you have an automated work generator?  And if so, is it based on time, or size of the queue?

00:16 <mweltin> me, my GF, dive instructor and his wife, dive master, the gov, and first lady,police chief his wife and daughter.

00:17 <mweltin> based on size of queue.

00:17 <mweltin> runs every hour.

00:17 <zombie67> nice small dinner with the gov!  Even more impressive!@

00:17 <zombie67> cool

00:17 <mweltin> yeah

00:17 <zombie67> on Xmas, I will be hammering your server pretty hard.

00:18 <mweltin> why is that?

00:18 <zombie67> done with the WCH race!

00:18 <zombie67> ECG

00:18 <zombie67> WCG

00:18 <mweltin> nice

00:18 <zombie67> gu

00:18 <zombie67> RAC was 1181, now 763!

00:19 <mweltin> I really need this GA done, so I can trim off lots of the unneeded paths.

00:19 <mweltin> find an optimal path in my lifetime.

00:19 <zombie67> thanks for fixing that, BTW.

00:19 <mweltin> someone ran the numbers again, and its not looking good right now.

00:19 <mweltin> no worries zombie67 thanks for keeping my on my toes.

00:20 <zombie67> for us bigger crunchers, we use the stats to help understand the general health of our farm.

00:20 <zombie67> no time to look at each machine individually

00:21 <zombie67> so keeping stats current is kinda important.

00:21 <zombie67> ooo!

00:21 <zombie67> News:  I just passed 9,000,000 in total BOINC points!

00:21 <mweltin> NICE!!!!

00:22 <mweltin> congrats

00:22 <zombie67> danks

00:22 <zombie67> danka

00:22 <mweltin> bite shurn

00:22 <zombie67>

00:22 <Romulus> <> (at

00:22 <zombie67> #135 in the world.

00:22 <mweltin> holy S%&*#iznit!

00:22 <mweltin> thats crazy

00:23 <zombie67> And that includes users who are really universties and companies

00:23 <mweltin> double crazy.

00:23 <zombie67> double danke

00:24 <zombie67> anyway, on xmas, my macs will be freed up, and I will be attacking TSP and milkyway.

00:24 <zombie67> looking forward to it

00:24 <zombie67> I hear that win is currently much slower than linux on tsp

00:24 <mweltin> same here.

00:25 <mweltin> linux has always been the fastest

00:25 <zombie67> which platform is OSX closer to, performance-wise?

00:25 <mweltin> win

00:25 <zombie67> dang

00:25 <mweltin> in fact I think that one is the worst.

00:26 <zombie67> I was hoping with the similarity of unix to linux....

00:26 <mweltin> which is strange as MTughan uses optimizations that I forget at times.

00:26 <zombie67> PPC vs Intel on OSX?

00:26 <mweltin> that is why I was shocked

00:26 <zombie67> both slow?

00:26 <mweltin> hard to say, I didn't look that deep when I did my review of the results database.

00:27 <zombie67> okay, I'll help provide data

00:27 <mweltin> I just looked at platforms

00:27 <zombie67> that will hopefully help improve speed

00:28 <zombie67> you have some very special help with tsp

00:28 <zombie67> most projects don't, aren't aware it is available, and some wouldn't even welcome it.  sad

00:28 <mweltin> yeah, this room ,and other parts of hte boinc community have just done tons of work.

00:29 <zombie67> some very bright people are eager to help, no strings attached

00:29 <mweltin> I won't have gotten this off the ground without them.

00:29 <mweltin> yeah, very true.

00:29 <mweltin> I'm going to make that a big point in the stuff I write for stgw or whatever its called.

00:30 <zombie67> BTW, I am not one of them.   I just try to provide data when needed, because I have a wide variety of machines.

00:30 <mweltin> hahahahahaahah

00:30 <zombie67> I am no coder

00:31 <zombie67> no l33t sklzs

00:31 <mweltin> I'm getting better.

00:31 <mweltin> of course I've been saying that for 10 years now.

00:31 <mweltin> I'd put odds on PovAddict being much much better than I.

00:32 <zombie67> I have the feeling that POV is a prodigy.  his brain just groks stuff without effort.

00:33 <mweltin> you think

00:33 <mweltin> yeah

00:33 <mweltin> that kid is something else.

00:33 <mweltin> too bad he will burn out and end up a surf bum in Hawaii after comeing up with some multi million dollar deal.

00:34 <zombie67> It is like an illiterate vs. you reading the news paper.  There is a "something" that one has that the other doesn't, and it makes all the difference

00:34 <zombie67> I wish I could end up that badly

00:34 <zombie67> ;)

00:35 <mweltin> same here

00:35 <zombie67> anywho, I need to take care of some bill-paying (ordering comics for Febuary).

00:35 <mweltin> right on

00:35 <mweltin> take it easy

00:36 <zombie67> seriously, way to go with the gov.

00:36 <zombie67> impressive

00:36 <mweltin> thanks, it was cool.

00:36 <mweltin> he needs 6 more dives

00:36 <mweltin> and has my number

00:36 <mweltin> with any luck he will call.

00:36 <zombie67> you will be is "spock" in no time!

00:37 <zombie67> spock is so much better than #1

00:37 <mweltin> He is going on a NOWA ship

00:37 <mweltin> hahaha

00:37 <zombie67> ciao

00:37 <zombie67> bbl

00:37 <mweltin> next gen is no where near the cool factor of the orgiginal

00:37 <mweltin> ll

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00:49 <Soul_keeper> lol

00:49 <Soul_keeper> did someone say spock ?

01:19 <mweltin> hey

01:19 <mweltin> zombie67 did

01:19 <mweltin> he is a littel carzy that way

01:28 <mweltin> my genetic algorithm will be ready for alpha testing by tomorrow.

01:40 <Soul_keeper> hey when you get old do you get grey hairs on yur testis ?

01:41 <Soul_keeper> just wondering ...

01:41 <mweltin> you know they keep a log of this irc room right?

01:41 <mweltin> is that what you want to be remembered for?

01:41 <Soul_keeper> that's ok i have no shame

01:41 <mweltin> hahahahaha

01:41 <mweltin> hahahahahahahaha

01:41 <Soul_keeper> i've been caugh saying worse on irc logs

01:41 <mweltin> ok then, fair enough.

01:42 <Soul_keeper> i kinda want an answer tho ...

01:42 <mweltin> you were the one with the linux group that had like 3 windows users?

01:42 <mweltin> I have no idea

01:42 <mweltin> so far I'm clean

01:42 <Soul_keeper> yeah that's me

01:42 <mweltin> or void of gray hair.

01:42 <Soul_keeper> #linuxsociety

01:42 <mweltin> rejected that

01:43 <mweltin> I almost fell out of my chair when you said that.

01:43 <Soul_keeper> lol

01:45 <mweltin> ok I'm going drinking, my GA compiles and I need a break.

01:45 <Soul_keeper> k

01:45 <mweltin> take care

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02:07 <Tank_Master> ugg

02:07 <Tank_Master> missed mw

02:09 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

02:09 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 33.0F / 0.6C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.40in / 1029.3hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Colder. Patchy freezing fog. Lows in the 20s. East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the afternoon. Snow level 500 feet. Highs 35 to 40. Light wind.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of (1 more message)

02:09 <Tank_Master> &more

02:09 <Romulus> Tank_Master: showers in the evening. Snow level 500 feet. Lows around 30. Light wind.;

02:12 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

02:12 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 46.2F / 7.9C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1001.9hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain likely and chance of thunderstorms. Lows 34 to 44. Winds west 15 mph in the evening becoming light. Chance of measurable precipitation 70 percent.; Sunday - Rain and a chance of thunderstorms in the morning...then scattered showers (1 more message)

02:12 <Soul_keeper> it's raining hard now

02:13 <Soul_keeper> &more

02:13 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs 55 to 60 in the western valleys to 47 to 52 near the foothills. Winds east 15 mph.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...becoming mostly clear. Lows 33 to 43. Winds northeast 15 mph in the evening becoming light.; Special Weather Statement for San Diego County in effect until 12:00 AM PST on December 09, 2007;

02:15 <Soul_keeper> lol i just went outside and it is hailing hard now

02:16 <Tank_Master> nice

02:16 <Tank_Master> all hail the weather goddess

02:22 <Soul_keeper>

02:22 <Romulus> Title: Vista Performance Score (at

02:22 <Soul_keeper> man amd has really went into the toilet since hector ruiz took over

02:23 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:23 <Tank_Master> yep

02:23 <Soul_keeper> for some reason he reminds me of roberto gonzalez ...

02:23 <Soul_keeper> maybe he'll suffer the same fate

02:24 <Tank_Master> duno

02:24 <Tank_Master> hope the company dosnt collaps under his command

02:24 <Soul_keeper> it could

02:25 <Soul_keeper> he isn't even focusing on niche markets that could be won and generate profits

02:25 <Tank_Master> to bad

02:30 <Soul_keeper> looks like floyd mayweather won the fight against hatton

02:36 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

02:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 35.9F / 2.2C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023.2hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Tonight - Rain likely. Lows in the upper 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Sunday - Rain with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 50s. East winds around 5 mph...becoming south in the afternoon. Chance of (1 more message)

02:36 <CoderForLife> &more

02:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: rain 90 percent.; Sunday Night - Rain with a chance of thunderstorms. Lows around 40. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

02:36 <Tank_Master> im off to bed

02:37 <Tank_Master> gn

02:37 <Soul_keeper> late

02:37 <CoderForLife> gn T_M

02:39 <CoderForLife> something to drink, and back to bed for me

02:39 <CoderForLife> cya

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03:47 <freelarry> morn all

03:48 <freelarry> if BadBarbarian around package arrived - looks good will try installing on Tues

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03:53 <zombie67> hi yoy

03:53 <zombie67> o

03:54 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

03:54 <zombie67> since I am 100% WCG (due to you!) on all my PCs and macs,

03:54 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

03:55 <zombie67> I decided to take my ps3 from 100% ps3grid to 50/50 with yoyo

03:55 <yoyo[RKN]> thx

03:55 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo had a relly big output yesterday

03:56 <zombie67> and now LHC finally released a bunch of work!

03:56 <zombie67> ack!

03:56 <yoyo[RKN]> do yu saw this

03:56 <Romulus> <> (at

03:56 <zombie67> I amuct get it while i can

03:58 <zombie67> amuct = must

03:58 <zombie67> yeah, pov showed that to me right off

04:00 <zombie67> yoyo has the second thickest brick on that page

04:00 <yoyo[RKN]> yes!

04:00 <yoyo[RKN]> who has more?

04:00 <zombie67> aps

04:04 <zombie67>

04:04 <Romulus> <> (at

04:05 <zombie67> brb

04:08 <zombie67> back

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04:36 <freelarry> humm anyone remember how to get into bios on an old compaq 633?

04:36 <Christian_B> xcamel: Are you there?

04:36 <freelarry> he's probable sleeping

04:36 <zombie67> crack-it-oa

04:36 <zombie67> ?

04:37 <Christian_B> Have you tried the default keys? Del, F2, F10

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04:37 <Christian_B> I need someone to kick ChristianB

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04:41 <freelarry> del no go will try f2 and f10

04:41 <freelarry> they didn't have network installed so trying to figure out which one to try on win 3.1 and is nic car

04:41 <freelarry> card

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04:43 <freelarry> f10

04:45 <freelarry> boy is that ever a minimal bios

04:45 <zombie67> "Didn't I tell you to go to bed?!?"  "Oh, no! Stupendous Man's stupendous powers are no match against his adversary!  Stupendous Man is vanquished!...This would have been plenty humiliating *without* the goodnight kiss." -- Mom and Calvin

04:46 <freelarry> lol heading that way soon

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04:49 <freelarry> humm going to be fun trying to remember how to connect to internet without dialup on 3.1

04:49 <zombie67> luck!

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04:50 <freelarry> will bneed lots of it

04:50 <freelarry> thanks zombie67

04:51 <freelarry> yuck only looks for dialup modems

04:54 <ChristianB> what version do you have?

04:54 <ChristianB> Windows for Workgroups or the normal version?

05:05 <freelarry> ahh this version requires me to use a proxy server for lan

05:05 <freelarry> lol this is win 3.1

05:06 <freelarry> gots to do a lot of relearning

05:06 <freelarry> regular version for desktop it looks like

05:07 <freelarry> haveing to find where to go to get various tools to come up for access to make any changes

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05:47 * CoderForLife waves

05:47 <CoderForLife> brb after breakfast

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05:55 <Bad_At_Home> Morning Everyone

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05:55 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

05:55 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 23.2F / -4.9C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 23.54in / 797.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow showers. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs 34 to 40. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Lows around 22. Light (1 more message)

05:56 <Bad_At_Home> &more

05:56 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: winds.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow showers in the morning...snow showers likely and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. Snow accumulation 5 to 8 inches possible. Snow level 5500 feet. Highs 33 to 39. Light winds. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;

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06:01 <freelarry> morn Bad_At_Home

06:01 <freelarry> got the package today

06:01 <Bad_At_Home> Cool

06:01 <freelarry> cant seem to get network working on it yet

06:02 <Bad_At_Home> i found win 95 drivers online it says they work for win 3.1

06:02 <freelarry> k will get link from you tuesday when i can play longer

06:02 <Bad_At_Home> like i said lol had no way to test it

06:03 <Bad_At_Home> ok

06:03 <Bad_At_Home> driversguide is where i found it

06:03 <freelarry> true - doesn't detect a new modem when i try so not sure if good or not

06:03 <Bad_At_Home> lol its not a modem

06:04 <Bad_At_Home> netcard

06:04 <freelarry> humm don't have an account with them - could have but probably expired as haven't logged on in over 5 yrs

06:04 <Bad_At_Home> its still free

06:04 <freelarry> yeah win 3.2 very limited as to what it detects

06:04 <freelarry> 3.1

06:04 <Bad_At_Home> lol ta=hat for sur

06:05 <Bad_At_Home> lol thats for sure

06:05 <Bad_At_Home> get the numbers off the big chip thats all you need

06:06 <freelarry> all big chips but think the 9008 number what referred to

06:06 <Bad_At_Home> google the number there are other places that have that driver

06:06 <Bad_At_Home> yes

06:07 <Bad_At_Home> plus some letters in front i think

06:07 <Bad_At_Home> dv or some thing

06:07 <freelarry> yup will have to open case again

06:07 <Bad_At_Home> lol you need to write that stuff down first

06:08 <freelarry> think there is a lot of missing software to make this work

06:08 <freelarry> lol true

06:08 <freelarry> memory not what it was - now what did i just type?

06:08 <Bad_At_Home> let me look real quick brb

06:11 <Bad_At_Home> you have dcc on your chat client i have the file

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06:13 <freelarry> darn missed BadBarbarian while doing a pot of coffee - have dcc

06:14 <freelarry> for his sign off definitely Y

06:16 <freelarry> dm9008f

06:25 <freelarry> wonder if i should get the dos instead? got the win95 but not sure where to put in 3.1

06:25 <Romulus> <> (at

06:26 <freelarry> well bed time talk l8r

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07:18 <CoderForLife> mini-split

07:18 <CoderForLife> beautiful APOD

07:18 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at

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07:19 <CoderForLife> taking another dive into #boinc, mweltin?

07:19 <mweltin> sort of

07:19 <mweltin> ga is built but crashing

07:19 <mweltin> not sure what the deal is.

07:20 <CoderForLife> beautiful APOD

07:20 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at

07:22 <mweltin> wow that is cool

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07:43 <CoderForLife> more split

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07:50 <siofwolves> yeah, its a biggie too.

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08:01 <xcamel> &weather 12074

08:01 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 23.5F / -4.7C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.42in / 1030.0hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow this afternoon. Highs around 30. Light and variable winds. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Tonight - Snow and sleet. Freezing rain after midnight. Total accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Ice accumulation around one (1 more message)

08:01 <xcamel> &more

08:01 <Romulus> xcamel: quarter of an inch. Not as cool with lows in the upper 20s. Light and variable winds. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 30s. Light and variable winds...becoming northwest 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.; Winter Weather Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on December 10, 2007;

08:02 <CoderForLife> morning Jay

08:02 <xcamel> 'lo Don

08:02 <CoderForLife> how's the cold?

08:03 <xcamel> breaking up slowly

08:08 <CoderForLife> breaking up - good, slowly - sorry

08:11 <xcamel>

08:11 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2007 December 9 - The Fairy of Eagle Nebula (at

08:12 <CoderForLife> yep - beautiful - I shared that link with mweltin this morning

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08:17 <xcamel> ice storm headed your way... and then on toward me....

08:18 <CoderForLife> ack

08:18 <xcamel> indeed

08:18 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

08:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 36.5F / 2.5C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022.2hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 2.3mph / 3.7km/h ; Today - Rain likely this morning. Rain with a chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the upper 40s. East winds around 5 mph...becoming south this afternoon. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Rain with a chance of thunderstorms in (1 more message)

08:18 <CoderForLife> &more

08:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the evening. Lows around 40. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming northwest after midnight. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Monday - Cloudy. Rain likely in the morning...then a chance of rain in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 40s. North winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

08:18 <CoderForLife> looks too warm

08:19 <xcamel>

08:19 <Romulus> <> (at

08:20 <xcamel> you might get lucky and stay on the warm side

08:21 <CoderForLife> yeah, sometimes random chance falls your way

08:21 <xcamel> daughter has her road test again tomorrow

08:21 <CoderForLife> I have to go see my sister this afternoon, so I'd rather have rain than ice

08:22 <xcamel> lol

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08:23 <CoderForLife> I need to get in the 4:00-5:00 visitor window for ICU

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08:36 <xcamel> little split..

08:37 <CoderForLife> been a splitty morning

08:38 <xcamel> midwest winter radar is looking pretty ugly

08:48 <xcamel> funny:

08:48 <xcamel>

08:48 <Romulus> <> (at

08:48 <xcamel> hoax or not?

08:49 <CoderForLife> who knows

08:50 <CoderForLife> may have just been a honeypot

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09:01 <xcamel> morning Doug

09:02 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

09:02 <xcamel> getting some bad weather?

09:03 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

09:03 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 12F / -11C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Today - Periods of sleet...snow and patchy freezing drizzle in the morning...then occasional light snow...sleet and areas of freezing drizzle in the afternoon. Little or no new snow and sleet accumulation. High 15 to 20. North wind around 10 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

09:03 <wdsmia> &more

09:03 <Romulus> wdsmia: precipitation 80 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Areas of freezing drizzle in the evening. Low 5 to 10 above. Northwest wind around 5 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 20s. Southwest wind around 5 mph.; Winter Storm Watch for Warren County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on December 11, 2007;

09:06 <xcamel> sheck out camera 2 on mi site...

09:07 <xcamel> wild turkeys VS gray squirrels

09:09 <xcamel> we're quite sure they are the offspring of my old bronze tom who died last spring

09:09 <xcamel>

09:09 <CoderForLife> checks out the Darwinian struggle

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09:10 <CoderForLife> morning wdsmia

09:13 <CoderForLife> that's something that I haven't seen stroll through here yet - wild turkeys

09:18 <xcamel> btw... reports that a hunter shot "a wolf or something" in the next town south of me - nearly 70 lbs

09:18 <xcamel> one down... maybe...

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09:29 <CoderForLife> did you think there was more than one?

09:32 <BadBarbarian> morning

09:32 <CoderForLife> morning citizens of Arizona

09:32 <xcamel> we're fairly sure there were 3 as recently as last august

09:33 <CoderForLife> yikes

09:34 <xcamel> they didn't seem to be traveling together

09:34 <CoderForLife> that seems odd

09:38 <xcamel> I know..

09:51 * CoderForLife listens to the blue jay call go out - "Peanuts! Peanuts!"

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09:54 * CoderForLife hears the announcement spread far and wide

09:54 * ChristianB is listening to Porcelain by Red Hot Chili Peppers on Californication [Amarok]

10:01 * CoderForLife continues listening to the bluejays as they swoop in to get peanuts

10:04 <xcamel> our bluejays steal the dog food...

10:04 <xcamel> en masse, as it were...

10:04 <CoderForLife>   I wish they'd steal the neighbors dog...

10:05 * CoderForLife listens to the rain grow heavier

10:05 <xcamel> a bit yappy?

10:05 <CoderForLife> the dog's name is Lulu

10:06 <CoderForLife> 'splains it all

10:07 <CoderForLife> I asked for a "no bark" device for Christmas

10:08 <CoderForLife> next year, my request for a no-bark device will be in the form of a firearm

10:11 <xcamel> wow - and just damn....

10:12 <xcamel> potentially 413 billion barrels of oil underneath North Dakota and Montana

10:12 <xcamel> Bakken's shale formation

10:12 <CoderForLife> excellent

10:12 <CoderForLife> that's a lot

10:12 <CoderForLife> what's the Saudi reserve?

10:13 <xcamel> 8 times bigger than anwar - if we can figure out how to get it

10:13 <CoderForLife> why is capture2 red, Jay?

10:13 <xcamel> red?

10:13 <xcamel> ah... auto iris stuck

10:13 <CoderForLife> ah

10:15 <xcamel> ficed

10:15 <xcamel> fixed, even

10:16 <CoderForLife> yup - mucho better

10:16 <CoderForLife>

10:16 <Romulus> Title: Bakken Shale Formation | Williston Basis Montana (at

10:16 <CoderForLife> "Prominent geochemists estimate the recoverable resources in the Bakken from 271 to 503 billion barrels. "

10:16 <BadBarbarian> morning

10:17 <xcamel> mornin BB

10:17 <CoderForLife> morning again Arizona

10:17 <BadBarbarian> i have a question

10:17 <CoderForLife> you have the microphone

10:17 <xcamel> go for it..

10:18 <BadBarbarian> i want to put mythbuntu on my quad stand alone no vista

10:18 <BadBarbarian> but like most peiple i have been in windows for 20 years

10:19 <BadBarbarian> how hard is the learning curve

10:19 <xcamel> iirc.. myth(tv) takes quite a bit of work to get configured correctly

10:20 <xcamel> but there is a ton of 'howto' on the net

10:20 <BadBarbarian> reading at mythbuntu now

10:20 <BadBarbarian> is it x64

10:21 <xcamel> I haven't attempted it yet, but it will work in fedora 7/8 also

10:21 <BadBarbarian> i have fedora 8 on hand

10:21 <xcamel> but as a system - myth is pretty impressive.

10:21 <xcamel> tons of people working on it all the time

10:22 <xcamel> note to self - tylenol head cold gives me "buzzy head" - take off the list

10:23 <BadBarbarian> take a theriflu

10:23 <xcamel> I hate that stuff.

10:24 <BadBarbarian> i do too but 2 teaspoons of sugar work for me

10:24 <xcamel> the new aklaseltzer cold formula works well - and it's not 'gag a maggot' flavor any more.

10:24 <BadBarbarian> lol

10:24 <BadBarbarian> unlike theriflu

10:25 <xcamel> now 'baby asprin' flavor

10:28 <BadBarbarian> there is an amd 64 build but i dont see an intel 64 build

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10:53 * CoderForLife wanders back

10:54 <desti> The launch of space shuttle Atlantis has been rescheduled for no earlier than Jan. 2, 2008. Engineers are evaluating false readings from the engine cutoff sensor system.

10:58 <CoderForLife> 'tis a shame - my sister's youngest daughter loves "everything NASA", and was looking forward to the launch

11:03 <desti>

11:03 <Romulus> <> (at

11:07 <CoderForLife> wow - great pic

11:08 <desti> yea

11:31 <CoderForLife> found a picture of my house from the county auditor's web site, certainly pre-2003 and probably pre-1999

11:32 <CoderForLife> the roof is now black - replaced after storm damage in 2003

11:32 <CoderForLife> I wish I had the green paint off the front door

11:32 <CoderForLife> lunchtime - bbl

11:34 <BadBarbarian> if the turbo pumps run dry on the shuttle they can explode thats why they wont launch the sencors shut down the pumps before that can happen

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12:14 <xcamel> back again

12:14 <CoderForLife> me2

12:15 <Tank_Master> and im outa here

12:15 <CoderForLife> did you see the article about the flying saucers around Saturn?,2933,316061,00.html

12:15 <Romulus> <> (at

12:16 <Tank_Master> lol

12:20 <wraund> A personal question, but if anyone lives in Anglia, UK, then consider joining this team :)

12:20 <Romulus> <> (at

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12:55 <xcamel> blah..

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12:55 <CoderForLife> blah?

12:56 <xcamel> waiting for the nasty weather to start...

12:59 <xcamel> looks like it's about 50 miles north of you...

12:59 <xcamel> severe icing

13:00 <xcamel> chicago looks socked down pretty hard

13:01 <wdsmia_> South of me but it looks like your in for it Jay

13:04 <CoderForLife> raining heavy again

13:05 <xcamel> WKRC webcam totally fogged

13:05 <CoderForLife> 39F locally

13:05 <CoderForLife> here's their radar

13:05 <Romulus> <> (at

13:06 <CoderForLife> yeah - that's me in the yellow rain dot

13:09 <xcamel> the freezing line is really tricky..

13:28 <CoderForLife> I accept that "freezing" and "tricky" always go together

13:28 <PovAddict> yo

13:29 <CoderForLife> yo PovAddict

13:30 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: ping

13:32 <CoderForLife> I've been doing a few LHC WUs apparently

13:33 <CoderForLife> 6 to report

13:33 <PovAddict> 39d 13h 18m uptime

13:37 <xcamel> I got some too it seems

13:42 <wdsmia_> looks like I got about 320

13:43 <xcamel> units?

13:44 <wdsmia_> yep

13:44 <PovAddict> o.0

13:44 <PovAddict> lucky bastard

13:44 <xcamel> I never get more than 2 or 3 per box

13:46 <xcamel> wandering off for a few..

13:48 * wdsmia_ also has about 150 >1 credit wu's stuck in pending :(

14:00 <wdsmia_> TM must have got a load his RAC is about 60 above mine

14:11 * CoderForLife wanders back

14:11 <CoderForLife> filled the water softener with salt...

14:11 <CoderForLife> yip yip yipee

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14:33 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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14:59 <Tank_Master> its snowing!

14:59 * Tank_Master is happy!

15:00 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

15:00 <Tank_Master> &more

15:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 36.1F / 2.3C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.34in / 1027.3hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Light rain or snow likely. Snow level 500 feet or less. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs 35 to 40. Light wind.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of flurries or sprinkles mainly in the evening. Patchy fog after midnight. Snow level (1 more message)

15:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 500 feet or less. No snow accumulation. Lows around 30. Light wind.; Monday - Mostly cloudy...becoming partly sunny in the afternoon. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs around 40. Light wind.;

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15:04 <ChristianB> &weather Leipzig

15:04 <Romulus> ChristianB: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.36in / 994hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 8:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:39 F. / 4 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 F. / (1 more message)

15:05 <ChristianB> &more

15:05 <Romulus> ChristianB: 4 C.;

15:05 <ChristianB> I think I'll go to bed now. cu tommorow (hopefully)

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15:12 <Tank_Master> wb efc

15:13 <efc> Hey

15:14 <BadBarbarian> hey tank

15:14 <Tank_Master> hey

15:14 <Tank_Master> BB

15:14 <Tank_Master> still lightly snowing

15:15 <BadBarbarian> dallas getting an ass wooping

15:15 <Tank_Master> so?

15:15 <Tank_Master> ;)

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15:34 <PovAddict> 31 minutes left for my CPDN WU!

15:34 <Tank_Master> lol

15:34 <Tank_Master> not bad

15:34 <PovAddict> elapsed: 2758 hrs

15:34 <Tank_Master> wow

15:34 <Tank_Master> for a cpdn WU, thats short

15:37 <PovAddict> it's a Pentium IV 3.0GHz running it

15:38 <Tank_Master> most of mine take 4k hrs on a P4 3.0

15:38 <PovAddict> well I got this one the 17th of april

15:39 <Tank_Master> the UW?

15:39 <PovAddict>

15:40 <BadBarbarian_> how much credit do you get for a cpdn wu

15:40 <Tank_Master> lots

15:40 <Tank_Master> more per hr then SETI

15:41 <PovAddict> I dont understand why that WU has initial replication 4!

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15:42 <PovAddict> wow it seems to be speeding up

15:42 <PovAddict> ETA going down at "three seconds per second"

15:44 <Tank_Master> hehe

15:48 <CoderForLife> I'm off - prolly for the rest of the day

15:48 <CoderForLife> cya folks

15:48 <BadBarbarian_> later bud

15:48 <PovAddict> cya

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15:50 <BadBarbarian_> afternoon yoyo

15:50 <Tank_Master> yo yoyo

15:50 * Tank_Master is heading out to for a bit

15:50 <BadBarbarian_> later

15:50 <Tank_Master> snow has stoped falling, so im gonna go take a nap

15:50 <BadBarbarian_> stuck at work here lol

15:51 <Tank_Master> lol

15:51 <Tank_Master> s2bu

15:51 <BadBarbarian_> lol

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16:23 <freelarry> just quick note BadBarbarian_ not sure that the isa slots are working on that old machine as he modem also doesnot initialize

16:23 <freelarry> both on the same exension riser and no other slots avail on mb

16:24 <freelarry> will look for null modem cable to see if can get to go into another machine and out

16:25 <freelarry> off to w/*-

16:30 <efc> need to network old machine?

16:31 <BadBarbarian_> did you get it running

16:31 <BadBarbarian_> have you cleaned the slots

16:32 <BadBarbarian_> isa is bad about dust

16:32 <efc> Never had a bus go bad but guess its possible

16:33 <BadBarbarian_> wipe card bottoms with alcohol and use air on slots

16:34 <BadBarbarian_> happened all the time back than

16:34 <BadBarbarian_> dirty slots that is

16:36 <BadBarbarian_> clean the bottom of the riser too

16:37 <BadBarbarian_> lol the first system i ever built was a 80286 12 so i realy do know lol

16:47 <xcamel> re-hi

16:47 <BadBarbarian_> 'lo xcamel

16:48 <BadBarbarian_> have you ever done a ubutu myth install xcamel

16:48 <xcamel> Hiya BB

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17:06 <xcamel> well... the latest mess has started...

17:06 <xcamel> looks like we're north of the ice line for a while

17:09 <BadBarbarian_> still snowing here

17:15 <xcamel> how much so far?

17:16 <BadBarbarian_> well some melted and started again 4 inch last night

17:18 <xcamel> just flurries so far, but could get to be a real mess by tomorrow...

17:19 <BadBarbarian_> your in new mexico right

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17:30 <PovAddict> o_o

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17:31 <xcamel> I don't trust those...

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18:16 <Tank_Master> mw!

18:16 <mweltin> hey hey Tank_Master

18:16 <mweltin> hwo goes it.

18:16 <mweltin> I'm in debug heck right now.

18:17 <mweltin> it will be full blow hell in three hours.

18:17 <Tank_Master> lol

18:17 <Tank_Master> we r getting some flurries here :)

18:17 <mweltin> but for now its just annoying bits of ga not working and STL and inline functions messing up gdb.

18:17 <Tank_Master> nothing is sticking of corse

18:17 <mweltin> hahahahahahaah

18:18 <PovAddict> mweltin: are you compiling with optimization?

18:18 <mweltin> first let me get it working, and then yes. level 2 or 3 I forget which.

18:18 <PovAddict> don't

18:18 <PovAddict> debugging with optimization is hell

18:19 <mweltin> I don't complie with optimization when I debug.

18:19 <PovAddict> ah ok

18:19 <mweltin> only after, when I want to release it.

18:19 <PovAddict> the compiler may change your program upside down to make it faster, but give the same results... however that's totally painful when debugging

18:19 <mweltin> I recompile it and strip it.

18:19 <PovAddict> you go step by step and the code jumps all over the place

18:20 <mweltin> yes I have run into that problem before.  Back when I couldn't read a makefile or even knew about optimizations.

18:20 <mweltin> a week or so ago :)

18:29 <Tank_Master> Pov

18:30 <Tank_Master> I see you took down your platform page :)

18:32 <mweltin> is PovAddict gone?

18:32 <PovAddict> nt rly

18:32 <mweltin> I have a code question

18:33 <mweltin> If I declare a STL vector of some class say A like so....

18:33 <mweltin> vector<A> myvec;

18:33 <mweltin> is the A constructor ever called?

18:34 <PovAddict> I seem to recall it's a bad idea to use STL containers with objects

18:34 <PovAddict> as opposed to *pointers* to objects

18:35 <mweltin> its a pain in the ass, but I would have to rewrite a ton of code if I change it now.

18:36 <mweltin> I'm pushing hard to get the GA in at least in a alpha state for the tsp project.

18:36 <mweltin> by today

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18:50 <mweltin> fourty_two, thats funny, its the seed for my random number generator right now.

18:50 <PovAddict> &google calc the answer to life, the universe, and everything

18:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: the answer to life, the universe, and everything = 42

18:51 <mweltin> lol

18:51 <mweltin> but what's the question?

18:52 <fourty_two> what is 'the answer to life, the universe, and everything'

18:52 <PovAddict>

18:52 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:57 <mweltin> HAHAAHAAHAHAAH

18:57 <mweltin> my ga doesn't actually calculate a fitness value!!!!!!!!!

18:57 <mweltin> LOL

18:57 <mweltin> I can't belive poeple hire me to write code sometimes.

18:59 <Tank_Master> lol

19:07 <PovAddict> mweltin:

19:07 <Romulus> <> (at

19:07 <PovAddict> if I consider that online 'lite' version "priceless", I'm sure I will eventually buy the full book

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19:11 <mweltin> it's all K&R here.  In fact I when I filled out a personal add I listed that as the best book I ever read.

19:11 <PovAddict> K&R is probably useful for C

19:11 <PovAddict> C++ is a different beast

19:12 <mweltin> C++ is C with duct tape and wire holding a ton of other stuff to it.

19:13 <PovAddict> ever used classes? yes you have

19:13 <PovAddict> ever used templates?

19:13 <mweltin> and the funny thing is I still like it more than java.

19:13 <PovAddict> virtual methods in classes? exceptions?

19:13 <mweltin> I never got the hang of templates

19:13 <mweltin> virtual methods yes.

19:13 <PovAddict> C++ is a lot more than C with classes

19:14 <mweltin> I was implying that maybe some features could have been implimented differently.

19:15 <PovAddict> like in any language on earth

19:15 <mweltin> very true

19:15 <mweltin> take my spelling for example

19:15 <PovAddict> programming hasn't existed for long enough

19:15 <mweltin> very different from traditional english.

19:15 <PovAddict> lol

19:16 <PovAddict> you need a chat client with built-in spell checker

19:16 <mweltin> yes, its need a lot of things saddly.

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19:17 <mweltin> do you know if xchat has that?

19:17 <Tank_Master> or a keyborad they types what you want it to type and not what you tell it to

19:17 <mweltin> that would be much better

19:17 * PovAddict gives Tank_Master a lollipop

19:18 <mweltin> speaking of candy, my kitchenaid mixer crashed.

19:19 <mweltin> some worm gear got all chewed up.

19:19 <Tank_Master> bummer

19:19 <mweltin> those things are bulit like tanks.

19:19 <mweltin> its all metal, no plastic at all.

19:19 <mweltin> new wormgear assembly was $24

19:19 <mweltin> of course it will be three weeks before i get it.

19:19 <mweltin> no christmas cookies for me.

19:20 * efc wants a mixer with internal combustion engine and manual pull-start cord

19:20 <mweltin> I bet you could convert an old weed wacker.

19:30 <The_XMas_Turkey> i am the turkey

19:30 <The_XMas_Turkey> bow down to me

19:30 <The_XMas_Turkey> RARW!

19:30 <The_XMas_Turkey> ohai thur CoderForLife

19:31 <mweltin> bbl

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19:35 * wdsmia kicks Sethy and his Turkey thou the goal post... three points :)

19:44 <The_XMas_Turkey> who's sethy?

19:44 <The_XMas_Turkey> :)

19:47 <efc> I guess you heard that the Prez pardons turkeys every now and then...

19:47 <efc> What you haven't heard is that the un-pardoned turkeys are being waterboarded down at Guantanamo

19:52 <CoderForLife> somebody rang?

19:52 <PovAddict> The_XMas_Turkey said hi

19:52 * efc gurgle gurgle GobbleGobble! gurgle gurgle

19:53 <CoderForLife> hello The_XMas_Turkey

19:53 <PovAddict>

19:53 <CoderForLife> it is about time for the seasonal change in nicks

19:53 <PovAddict> somebody in #rieselsieve told me "I didn't know your name was Santa"

19:54 * CoderForLife wonders where TheJollyRedGiant and Fairy Nuff will be this year

19:54 <PovAddict> &seen Fairy_Nuff

19:54 <Romulus> PovAddict: Fairy_Nuff was last seen in #boinc 48 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 13 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <Fairy_Nuff> and good night from here

19:54 <PovAddict> &seen Spit_theDog

19:54 <Romulus> PovAddict: Spit_theDog was last seen in #boinc 29 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, 25 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Spit_theDog> Bye for now all :)

19:54 *** CoderForLife is now known as ChristmasCoder

19:54 <PovAddict> &google calc 29 weeks 4 days to months

19:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: 29 weeks 4 days = 6.80096661 months

19:55 <PovAddict> :(

19:56 <ChristmasCoder> 'tis a sadness upon the season

19:57 <ChristmasCoder> just got back from the hospital - my sister is doing a little bit better but a long long way to go - thanks for the prayers, thoughts, well-wishes, YMMV

19:58 <PovAddict> well that's a good thing...

19:58 <ChristmasCoder> yeah, she recognized me

19:58 <PovAddict> guess what I thought when my workunit reached 1%...

19:58 <PovAddict> "so far so good but a long way to go"

19:59 <ChristmasCoder> yup - your WU might win this race

19:59 <PovAddict> it finished successfully today

19:59 <ChristmasCoder> congrats

20:01 <ChristmasCoder> well - off to find something mindless to watch on TV, probably football

20:01 <ChristmasCoder> gn boinclanders

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20:16 <The_XMas_Turkey> rawr

20:16 <The_XMas_Turkey> i'm in ur ovens

20:16 <The_XMas_Turkey> marinating

20:16 <The_XMas_Turkey> on ur stock

20:16 <The_XMas_Turkey> everyone lol?

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20:23 <The_XMas_Turkey> hey mweltin

20:24 <mweltin> hey sethy

20:24 <mweltin> hwo goes it?

20:24 <mweltin> or should I say Mr. The_XMas_Turkey

20:24 <The_XMas_Turkey> it goes left and right

20:25 <The_XMas_Turkey> and in the oven

20:25 <PovAddict> you seriously remind me of ethan from cad

20:26 <PovAddict> for your lack of sanity

20:26 <The_XMas_Turkey> :D

20:31 <mweltin> PovAddict, life is way easier with the new expat parsers.  Just say NO to global variables.

20:31 <mweltin> thanks for the tip.

20:35 <The_XMas_Turkey> false @ Global variables and true at local?

20:36 <The_XMas_Turkey> also PovAddict, sanity holds people back from life, its better to be borderline and in controll

20:37 <mweltin> well the tricky thing I find with sanity is that, you are really not the one to judge.  You can only tell you were insane after you become sane again.

20:37 <mweltin> Hence knowing where the line is and controll are illusions at best.

20:40 <The_XMas_Turkey> but the turkey said there is a line

20:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> but there is no real line

20:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> the line is just a physical representation of a breaking point

20:42 <mweltin> a physical representation of a metal breaking point?  Surely the giraffe speaks the truth?

20:42 <The_XMas_Turkey> mental

20:42 <mweltin> hahaha

20:42 <mweltin> yes

20:43 <The_XMas_Turkey> see

20:43 <mweltin> mendal

20:43 <The_XMas_Turkey> its got to you already

20:43 <The_XMas_Turkey> but then again your mom has the office 2007 look

20:44 <mweltin> I still contest I can't tell if I'm insane, by the fact that I question it, I'm not.

20:44 <mweltin> que?

20:44 <The_XMas_Turkey> non

20:45 <mweltin> oddly enough I feel less sane than I did an hour ago.

20:45 <xcamel> that happens... try getting old

20:45 <The_XMas_Turkey> thats because your talking to the master

20:45 <The_XMas_Turkey> or that

20:47 <xcamel> sethy - master - bwahahaha

20:47 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmm so the biq question is, is sanity a line or a ring?  Can I go so insane I'm sane again?

20:47 <xcamel> sanity is a sphere...

20:48 <mweltin> so its possible, but unlikely to come back where you started given the random walk nature of insanity.

20:48 <mweltin> very interesting.

20:49 * mweltin ponders the hypercube of sanity.

20:49 <xcamel> insanity is an octachoron

20:49 <mweltin> a what?

20:50 <xcamel> look it up..

20:50 <mweltin> &define octachoron

20:50 <Romulus> mweltin: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

20:50 <mweltin> lazy bot

20:50 <xcamel> try google

20:51 <mweltin> &google define octachoron

20:51 <Romulus> mweltin: Search took 0.18 seconds: tesseract: Definition and Much More from <>; octad - definition of octad by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <>; Octachord - definition of Octachord by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <>; Re: "Wrinkle.." Author Dies: (2 more messages)

20:53 <mweltin> maybe a kline bottle would be a better description

20:56 <xcamel> basically... hypercube.

20:56 <xcamel> just an old term for it.

20:57 <mweltin> I'm not positive but I think hypercube is a generic n-dimenstional thing-a-ma-gig.

20:58 <The_XMas_Turkey> I HAS TO GO NAO

20:58 <The_XMas_Turkey> ANd sanity is a hypersphere

20:58 <The_XMas_Turkey> not tesseract

20:58 <mweltin> good to know

20:59 <The_XMas_Turkey> bais all <3

20:59 * mweltin thinks The_XMas_Turkey is insane for thinking that.

21:22 <mweltin> how is you gdb?

21:47 <Bad_At_Home> I Allway miss the fun

21:47 <Bad_At_Home> lol

21:47 <mweltin> the sanity check?

21:47 <Bad_At_Home> yep

21:47 <mweltin> yeah I needed that

21:47 <Bad_At_Home> lol

21:47 <mweltin> Sunday pouring over code blahhh

21:47 <Bad_At_Home> ow

21:49 <mweltin> making good headway on the genetic algorithm

21:49 <mweltin> but a little boring

21:49 <Bad_At_Home> cool

21:50 <Bad_At_Home> check the price my friemd found for me at frys

21:50 <Bad_At_Home>

21:50 <Romulus> <> (at

21:52 <Bad_At_Home> 20 dollars more than the refurb i had and its new

21:54 <mweltin> be careful at frys

21:54 <mweltin> I stopped going there after a while.

21:55 <mweltin> the nearest one was in willsonville

21:55 <xcamel> btw: CompUSA is going out....

21:55 <Bad_At_Home> the warrenty is through gateway

21:55 <Bad_At_Home> online i should be fine

21:55 <xcamel> old Carlos can't seem to make enough money at it...

21:55 <mweltin> so buy it from them

21:56 <Bad_At_Home> no quads for sale sorry been there

21:56 <mweltin> there are good deals at fry's but more often than not I end up with crap.

21:56 <mweltin> spent harddrives, bad mother boards,

21:56 <mweltin> bad ram

21:57 <mweltin> it just wasn't worth it.

21:57 <Bad_At_Home> gareway should be all right

21:57 <xcamel> well... off with me...

21:57 <mweltin> I ended up going to Enu

21:57 <mweltin> a local store

21:57 <mweltin> real limitted warrenty

21:57 <mweltin> but I never had to bring anything back.

21:58 <Bad_At_Home> 12 months

21:58 <mweltin> getways are good, taht was my first computer I ever bought.

21:58 <mweltin> i got a 8MB video card upgrade for free.

21:58 <mweltin> up from 4MB

21:59 <mweltin> ok Bad_At_Home I'm out too. going to walk my dog and brush out the cobwebs from my fry'ed mind.

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