IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2007-12-10

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01:10 <Tank_Master> wb mw

01:10 <mweltin> nice to be back.

01:10 <mweltin> how is the NW

01:11 <Tank_Master> cold

01:11 <Tank_Master> but mostly dry

01:11 <mweltin> thats all I need to hear.

01:12 <Tank_Master> we had flurries earlyer today

01:12 <Tank_Master> but it didnt stick

01:12 <Soul_keeper>

01:12 <Romulus> <> (at

01:14 <Tank_Master> gotta love new tech

01:15 <mweltin> I'm still partial to the 16's

01:16 <Tank_Master> :)

01:17 <mweltin> back home that is what I remember at the tinny base they had in VT.

01:22 <mweltin> ga looks like it's working

01:22 <mweltin> not well but working

01:22 <Tank_Master> lol

01:22 <mweltin> you seen rubiks120 around?

01:23 <efc> lots of two headed trilobytes before you get a lobster?

01:23 <mweltin> he was going to do some stuff for me but I couldn't wait for him.

01:23 <mweltin> hahahaah

01:23 <mweltin> I like that efc

01:23 <mweltin> I used to say "even a blind squirel finds a nut sometimes"

01:24 <mweltin> I like yours better.

01:24 * efc likes trilobites

01:24 <mweltin> ls

01:25 <efc> Hope we can clone those so I can have some in a fishtank

01:27 * efc forsees a new sci-fi saturday night movie coming from this

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01:39 <mweltin> ok check it out.

01:39 <mweltin> you saw it here first

01:39 <mweltin>

01:41 <mweltin> anyone here?

01:42 <efc> bigger is better?

01:43 <mweltin> I want to see it on the google maps api.

01:44 <Tank_Master> :)

01:45 <mweltin> so you can see it works but converges way too soon.

01:45 <mweltin> I think I have to increase the mutation rate.

01:45 <mweltin> well I really should play with the parameters.

01:45 <mweltin> one problem is that only too a min or two on my sloooooooow box.

01:46 <mweltin> looks like we will be back to the .02sec tasks again at this rate.

01:47 <efc> what problem is this optimizing?

01:47 <mweltin> same one as the brute force method.

01:50 <efc> Yeah, to find a significantly different route, it would have to change several links at once

01:50 <mweltin> yeah, you have to find a balance.  A mutation rate of 100% = random walk

01:51 <mweltin> mutation rate of 0% and nothing happens.

01:52 <Tank_Master> so, its purfect for life on AS

01:53 <mweltin> har har

01:53 <Tank_Master> lol

01:53 <mweltin> so is hostel 2 a scary movie?

01:53 <Tank_Master> never heard of it

01:54 <mweltin> supposed to be creapy

01:54 <mweltin> some psycho puts people in situations where they

01:54 <mweltin> have to kill eachother.

01:55 <Tank_Master> ugg

01:55 <Tank_Master> no thx

01:57 <efc> Does the server start several "strains" with high mutation and hand them out to see where they go?

01:57 <mweltin> no

01:57 <mweltin> as I have it now the server sends it just a seed value for the random number generator.

01:58 <mweltin> the ga app will generate a population at random from that.

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02:18 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

02:18 <Tank_Master> &more

02:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 37.7F / 3.2C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.29in / 1025.6hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers. Patchy fog after midnight. Snow level 500 feet. No snow accumulation. Lows around 30. Light wind.; Monday - Mostly cloudy with patchy fog in the morning...then partly sunny. Highs around 40. (1 more message)

02:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Light wind.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 25 to 35. East wind 5 to 15 mph...except 15 to 30 mph near The Gorge.;

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02:20 <mweltin> that doesn't look god

02:21 <mweltin> freeLarry

02:21 <mweltin> nice to see you.

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02:33 <Tank_Master> well, im off to bed

02:33 <mweltin> later Tank

02:33 * Tank_Master hopes theres snow on the ground in the morning :)

02:33 <mweltin> tanks for dropping in.

02:33 <Tank_Master> np

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03:29 <freelarry> morn all

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04:44 <mweltin> blah blah

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04:51 * ChristmasCoder regains consciousness

04:52 * freelarry thinks ChristmasCoder is only dreaming

04:52 <ChristmasCoder> maybe it's a nightmare

04:52 <freelarry> lol "The Nightmare befoe Xmas"?

04:52 <ChristmasCoder> lol  yeah

04:53 <freelarry> thought i saw a pumpkin on the way home today

04:53 <ChristmasCoder> Actually, I dreamed that I was trying to help my dad find a lost dog

04:53 <freelarry> was it yellow in color?

04:54 <ChristmasCoder> this dog somehow got buried alive in the backyard, and we (especially he) was digging for it, listening for a bark

04:54 <freelarry> ahh

04:54 <ChristmasCoder> he found it

04:55 <freelarry> good outcome then

04:55 <ChristmasCoder> the dog had curly red hair, like my sister in the hospital

04:55 <freelarry> someone watching over someone then

04:56 <ChristmasCoder> I left him last night at the hospital, he was going to stay the night

04:56 <freelarry> sister going to be alright?

04:57 <ChristmasCoder> she made a bit of progress yesterday on a journey of a thousand miles

04:57 <freelarry> humm not familar with that adage

04:57 <freelarry> so not a minor item i would assume

04:57 <ChristmasCoder> "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"

04:58 <freelarry> ahh that caused a couple dustballs to fall out of ears ;)

04:58 <ChristmasCoder> she took a single step forward yesterday, after many backward steps

04:58 * freelarry wont say where the dust accumulated tho

04:58 <ChristmasCoder> anyway... my dream was quite symbolic

04:59 <freelarry> ouch fall down stairs or just pushing recovery a little to much

04:59 <freelarry> yes it was

05:01 <ChristmasCoder> brb  breakfast

05:02 <freelarry> k hope for speedy recovery of your sister and happy holidays to you and yours

05:02 <freelarry> &nn all

05:02 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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05:08 <ChristmasCoder> back

05:08 <ChristmasCoder> ok bye freelarry

05:09 <ChristmasCoder> &weather 45140

05:09 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 39.2F / 4.0C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1023.6hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain . Patchy fog this morning. Highs in the lower 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain. Early lows around 40...then temperature rising into the mid 40s (1 more message)

05:09 <ChristmasCoder> &more

05:09 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: after midnight. Light southeast winds.; Tuesday - Cloudy. A chance of rain in the morning...then rain likely in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

05:16 <quail> god damn it I have no toilet till sometime after lunch tomorrow :-(

05:17 <quail> and cause the stupid person that installed the toilet didn't install a cut off tap and I had to buy a galv cap to put on the input pipe to the toilet to save water going done the toilet <grrr>

05:17 <quail> so when the plumber gets here tomorrow he has to install a cut off tap and fix the float valve that is stuffed in the toilet

05:17 <quail> well that is my rant over and done with

05:17 <quail> how is everyone else?

05:26 <ChristmasCoder> hi quail

05:27 <quail> Hi Don :-)

05:27 <ChristmasCoder> aside from the toilet troubles, how are you

05:28 <quail> good thanks and you?

05:28 <ChristmasCoder> I'm OK

05:28 <quail> :-)

05:29 <ChristmasCoder> have to start getting ready for w@#% in a few minutes

05:29 <quail> :-(

05:29 <quail> well you have a good day then

05:30 <ChristmasCoder> I said I was going to w@#%.... =)

05:30 <quail> well try and have a good day then

05:30 <ChristmasCoder> lol

05:30 <quail> ;-)

05:31 <ChristmasCoder> I need to put in a good day - falling behind due to family issues

05:31 <ChristmasCoder> been busting meetings left and right

05:32 <quail> :-(

05:33 <ChristmasCoder> my mom wanted me to pick her up and drive her to the hospital this afternoon when I had to schedule a meeting at work to keep an initiative on track

05:35 <ChristmasCoder> seems like an easy choice, until you realize that I am delaying some things that would really benefit the companu

05:35 <ChristmasCoder> company

05:39 <ChristmasCoder> don't try to beat this record,2933,316248,00.html

05:39 <Romulus> <> (at

05:40 * ChristmasCoder sighs

05:40 <ChristmasCoder> off to w@#%

05:40 <ChristmasCoder> laterzz

05:40 * ChristmasCoder sees that he is already "away" and sighs again

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06:13 <Bad_At_Home> Morning

06:14 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86023

06:14 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 28F / -2C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of rain and snow showers. Little or little or no snow accumulation. Snow level 5500 feet. Highs around 29 on the North Rim to around 48 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming east around 15 mph in the (2 more messages)

06:14 <Bad_At_Home> &more

06:14 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain and snow showers. Snow accumulation 2 to 4 inches. Snow level 6000 feet. Lows around 20 on the North Rim to around 35 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain and snow showers. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Snow level 5000 feet. Highs around 27 on the North Rim to around (1 more message)

06:14 <Bad_At_Home> &more

06:14 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: 46 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

06:15 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

06:15 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 27.5F / -2.5C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 23.45in / 794.0hPa | Conditions: Heavy Snow | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Snow showers...heavy a times. Snow accumulation 5 to 8 inches. Highs 32 to 38. Light winds becoming east around 15 mph in the afternoon. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Tonight - Snow showers...heavy at times. Snow accumulation 5 to 8 (1 more message)

06:15 <Bad_At_Home> &more

06:15 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: inches. Lows 19 to 25. Light winds.; Tuesday - Snow showers likely in the morning...a chance of snow showers in the afternoon. Snow accumulation 2 to 4 inches. Highs 31 to 37. Light winds. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Coconino County in effect until 6:00 PM MST on December 11, 2007;

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06:44 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:01 <mweltin> &calc 1.42 * 45

07:01 <Romulus> mweltin: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".

07:02 <mweltin> &math calc 1.42 * 45

07:02 <Romulus> mweltin: 63.9

07:02 <mweltin> &google calc 1.42 * 45

07:02 <Romulus> mweltin: 1.42 * 45 = 63.9

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08:41 <ries> hey guys... I run seti at home and world community grid... but I noticed that wcg runs way more often then sah

08:41 <ries> I also always have two hcc1 processes and always one sah process

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09:36 <PovAddict> ries: are your resource shares the same for both projects?

09:37 <ries> Hmmm I never knew I could set that...

09:37 <ries> where can I find such a option?

09:38 <ries> I did set

09:38 <ries> use at most 25% when computer is in use

09:38 <ries> and 80% when it's idle

09:39 <ries> PovAddict: apparet from that I don't have any other settings

09:39 <PovAddict> then you're probably on the default where all projects run the same amount

09:40 <PovAddict> do you actually notice one running more often, or just the processes hanging around idle?

09:41 <ries> PovAddict: once a while I like at it and I see seti always paused... but sometimes not

09:42 <PovAddict> maybe WCG has tighter deadlines, so BOINC runs it more to try to make it in time

09:42 <PovAddict> if that is the case, it will soon stop getting WCG work for a while, until SETI has "caught up"

09:42 <ries> PovAddict: the settings under advanced -> preverences are the only settings?

09:43 <ries> I am just afraid I miss ET I guess :D

09:43 <PovAddict> most settings are set from the project websites, not from the client

09:43 <ries> PovAddict: where can I find that???

09:43 <PovAddict>

09:43 <Romulus> <> (at

09:43 <ries> never could understand all the attached websites well

09:43 <PovAddict> that's the resource share, for instance

09:43 <PovAddict> WCG site is weird...

09:44 <ries> But that's seti...

09:44 <ries> what about wcg?

09:44 <ries> is it not controlled by boinc?

09:45 <PovAddict> no project is controlled by boinc, projects are independent

09:45 <PovAddict> the thing with WCG is that it used to have its own system, and later started to use BOINC, so the website is quite different from other projects

09:46 <ries> alright

09:46 <ries> seti has a resource share of 10%

09:46 <ries> WCG has 100%

09:46 <ries> so that must be teh difference

09:48 <ries> solve... thanks

09:48 <PovAddict> it's not really a % by the way

09:49 <PovAddict> if you have two projects at "100", it means 50% for each

09:49 <PovAddict> if you have one at 100 and another at 200, it's 33% and 66% respectively

09:49 <PovAddict> having all projects at 100 and having all projects at 10 is exactly the same

09:50 <PovAddict> imagine a piechart :)

10:18 <ries> yeaaa.. they all count up to 100% then some division

10:35 <Tank_Master> if project A has a setting of 25, project B 50 and Project C 125, then Project A will get 25/200th of the time, or 12.5% of the day the comp will be running Project A

10:37 <Tank_Master> its the "(sum(Project A+B+C...))/Project A" to get the resorce time that Project A will get

10:37 <PovAddict> other way around...

10:40 <Tank_Master> right

10:40 <Tank_Master> sorry

10:41 <Tank_Master> Project A/(sum(Project A+B+C...))

10:41 <Tank_Master> should think before I get up :P

10:41 <PovAddict>

10:41 <Romulus> Title: Clientcopia : Coping with stupid clients : Quotes, Comments & Remarks (at

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11:33 <BadBarbarian> Morning

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11:54 <wraund> if i wanted to run BOINC in command line only (no graphical or GUI) or linux, what command do i use in the BOINC folder?

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12:13 <PovAddict> wraund: "./boinc --daemon" to start the client, then boinccmd to control it

12:28 <BadBarbarian>

12:28 <Romulus> <> (at

12:28 <BadBarbarian> hehe

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13:12 <wraund> PovAddict: i dont run it like that, i always launch it with ./run_manager

13:12 <PovAddict> wraund: you asked how to use it in command-line only

13:12 <wraund> lol i know and ty :P

13:12 <wraund> ill have to adapt to the new method :P

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15:43 <yoyo_RKN> &seen ChristianB

15:43 <Romulus> yoyo_RKN: ChristianB was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 0 hours, 37 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <ChristianB> I think I'll go to bed now. cu tommorow (hopefully)

15:43 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

15:44 <yoyo_RKN> webe

15:44 <TMatWork> &seen TMatWork

15:44 <Romulus> TMatWork: TMatWork was last seen in #boinc 3 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <TMatWork> lunch time! (and makin a fry's run ;)

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15:48 <zombie67> hello

15:48 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

15:48 <yoyo_RKN> hi zombie67

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15:51 <MTughan> Just got an idea for a BOINC project, from #rieselsieve.

15:52 <MTughan> See how many digits of pi you can make. :D

15:52 <Saenger> out of my head?

15:52 <PovAddict> a single computer can probably generate some million digits in an acceptable time... so... that server will need some storage to store the pi digits generated by hundreds of computers

15:52 <MTughan> It's a simple equation, 4 * arctan(1).

15:54 <zombie67> MT:  any progress on the RS mac app?

15:55 <PovAddict> zombie67:

15:55 <MTughan> Still haven't heard back from Rogue.

15:57 <zombie67> Pov:  wow, ln-s is ssssllllooooowww.  WIP adds up to only 66%

15:57 <PovAddict> did it take long to *load*?

15:57 <PovAddict> or to start loading?

15:57 <MTughan> zombie67: I can't do anything on the Mac app for RS until I can get the ASM issues cleared up, and that's beyond my current knowledge.

15:58 <zombie67> okay.  appreciate the issue.

15:59 <zombie67> took forever to start loading.

15:59 <zombie67> ln-s is slow for everything, at least for me.

16:01 <zombie67> what is that sig looking at?  total project WIP?  WIP on a particular machine?  For a particular user?

16:01 <PovAddict> workunits currently running on my machine

16:01 <TMatWork> wip on his comp

16:02 <zombie67> ah!  so that is for individual WUs.  That is why they don't add up to 100%.

16:02 <PovAddict> refresh :)

16:03 <zombie67> cool.

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16:05 <MTughan> Um... Okay.!/

16:05 <Romulus> <> (at

16:06 <zombie67> OOh!  got a depspid siider!

16:07 <PovAddict> my P4 has been getting those at least since the CPDN unit ended

16:07 <zombie67> these ate test WUs.  No credit will be awarded for quite a while

16:08 <TMatWork> got one to

16:08 <xcamel> 'lo

16:08 <MTughan> Gah... Seems my comp was crunching pretty well nothing while I was gone. >_>

16:09 <PovAddict> :o

16:09 <PovAddict> computer uptime: 40d 15h 58m

16:09 <MTughan> I've still got plenty of SIMAP WUs, due on the 13th.

16:09 <PovAddict> idle time: 41h

16:09 <PovAddict> more than I like :\

16:09 <MTughan> And quite a few RCN WUs due on the 18th.

16:10 <MTughan> There we go. 5 TSP WUs were cancelled by the server for taking too long. >_>

16:12 <MTughan> &math convert 2700 hours to days

16:12 <Romulus> MTughan: 112.5

16:12 <zombie67> I have 15 spiders

16:14 <MTughan> Hey PovAddict: Do you know if TSP was updated while I was gone?

16:15 <PovAddict> hm nope

16:15 <MTughan> Whoa... He got rid of two libraries.

16:15 <MTughan> And added at least one.

16:15 <zombie67> "Please note that the validator/assimilator currently isn't running and credits for the new tasks won't be granted before January. " depspid admin

16:22 <TMatWork> yeah, saw that

16:22 <TMatWork> I als have around 15 spiders...

16:22 <MTughan> Oh boy... I've got two definitions of the same function.

16:22 <zombie67> like an investiment

16:22 <MTughan> And they're the same in what they do too.

16:22 <MTughan> &seen mweltin

16:22 <Romulus> MTughan: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 9 hours, 20 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <mweltin> &google calc 1.42 * 45

16:23 <MTughan> ChristmasCoder? Nice...

16:23 <PovAddict> The_XMas_Turkey is sethy

16:24 <MTughan> ChristmasCoder is CoderForLife?

16:24 <PovAddict> yes

16:25 <PovAddict> TheGasGiant used to change name to TheJollyRedGiant on xmas

16:25 <MTughan> Nice.

16:25 <MTughan> Well, GA compiles fine.

16:25 <zombie67> Cori got 2 spiders

16:25 <MTughan> With one modification, he still included a file that he deleted.

16:26 <MTughan> As for BruteForce, I don't know what I'm going to do about that, because I don't know which definition he want to keep.

16:26 <PovAddict> zombie67: did she post on depspid forums or what?

16:26 <zombie67> I looked at here computers

16:26 <PovAddict> oic

16:27 <zombie67> two of them have 1 each

16:27 <PovAddict> o.O

16:27 <PovAddict>

16:27 <Romulus> <> (at

16:27 <TMatWork> you can onely get 1 WU at a time per host

16:28 <TMatWork> for depspid

16:28 <PovAddict> TMatWork: lies

16:28 <PovAddict> TMatWork: it's configurable on their wobsite

16:28 <TMatWork> thats what the forum sais

16:28 <TMatWork> nono

16:28 <TMatWork> its being overwridden my the project admin

16:28 <TMatWork> server is set to 1 per host

16:28 <ChristmasCoder> hello MTughan

16:28 <MTughan> 'lo CC

16:28 <TMatWork> anywho, im out here

16:29 <ChristmasCoder> you like the seasonal nick, huh?

16:29 <ChristmasCoder> kind of a #boinc tradition

16:29 <TMatWork> hehe

16:29 <ChristmasCoder> bbiab  dinner

16:37 <zombie67> bbl

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16:56 <ChristmasCoder> b

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17:30 <ChristmasCoder> going to do w@#% homew@#% on the laptop downstairs - laterz

17:32 <PovAddict> later

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17:43 <xcamel> back again

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18:15 <Bah_Humbug> &weather 50265

18:15 <Romulus> Bah_Humbug: Temperature: 22F / -6C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - A slight chance of freezing rain in the evening...then freezing rain...sleet and snow after midnight. Not as cold. Snow and sleet accumulation up to 1 inch. Ice accumulation of one quarter to one half of an inch. Low in the lower 20s. Temperature (2 more messages)

18:15 <Bah_Humbug> &more

18:15 <Romulus> Bah_Humbug: steady or slowly rising after midnight. South wind around 5 mph shifting to the west up to 5 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tuesday - Sleet and freezing rain in the morning...then sleet likely in the afternoon. Sleet accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Total snow accumulation 1 to 3 inches. Ice accumulation of up to one quarter of an inch. High in the upper 20s. North (1 more message)

18:15 <Bah_Humbug> &more

18:15 <Romulus> Bah_Humbug: wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow in the evening. Low 15 to 20. North wind 5 to 15 mph.; Winter Storm Warning for Warren County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on December 11, 2007;

18:16 <Bah_Humbug> yuk

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18:20 <xcamel> lol

18:20 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

18:21 <xcamel> hi

18:22 <xcamel> not too much on the boinc/dev font lately...

18:22 <wdsmia> what else can they break?

18:23 <xcamel> no comment

18:29 <xcamel> I thought those were features...

18:31 <wdsmia> they could always add a few dozen more annoying pop-up's

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18:36 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

18:37 <MTughan> Still no word from mweltin...

18:37 <wdsmia> *lo Michael

18:37 <MTughan> So how goes the crunching?

18:38 * PovAddict throws MTughan into ##konfabulator and hits him with an image link

18:38 <wdsmia> if my isp would get there act togetter and fix the drop outs it would be better

18:45 <xcamel> Hi Mike

18:45 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

18:47 <BadBarbarian> evening all

18:47 <MTughan> 'lo BB

18:47 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

18:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 33.1F / 0.6C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 23.33in / 790.0hPa | Conditions: Snow | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Snow showers. Snow accumulation 6 to 9 inches. Lows 19 to 29. Light winds.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. Snow showers likely in the morning...a chance of snow showers in the afternoon. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Highs around 34. Light (1 more message)

18:47 <BadBarbarian> &more

18:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: winds. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Lows 13 to 23. Light winds.; Winter Storm Warning for Coconino County in effect until 6:00 PM MST on December 11, 2007;

18:47 <xcamel> Hiya BB

18:48 <xcamel> we got a little today, and likely more tomorrow

18:49 <wdsmia> looking at the radar the crude is almost here :(

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18:54 <BadBarbarian> xcamel have you ever done a mythtv install

18:55 <xcamel> no

18:55 <MTughan> My dad has.

18:55 <xcamel> I have seen them completed

18:59 <MTughan> bbiab

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19:15 <BadBarbarian> thinking of trying a dual boot with vista when i get the quad

19:17 <xcamel> vista is still a dirty word

19:18 <Tank_Master> just like newclear

19:18 <BadBarbarian> now i agree but till i am up to speed i need a cruch

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19:21 <MTughan> Crystal Clear was released about a week ago, so I just installed it.

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19:34 <xcamel> 'lo eddie

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19:46 <zombie67> BURP is back up.  finally returned the completed WUs.

19:48 <Tank_Master> :)

19:50 <MTughan> Thanks for the info, now BURP initialization can finish. :P

19:50 <Tank_Master> hehe

19:51 <Tank_Master> I havent ran burn in quite some time

19:51 <Tank_Master> it used to slow down the comps at work to much

19:51 <Tank_Master> was 3rd before I droped it

19:51 <PovAddict> how long ago was that?

19:51 <Tank_Master> months

19:51 <Tank_Master> year?

19:51 <xcamel> lhc out of work again?

19:51 <Tank_Master> long time...

19:51 <Tank_Master> yeah

19:51 <PovAddict> xcamel: didn't last long

19:51 <xcamel> nope

19:51 <Tank_Master> lhc dosent have work for long

19:51 <Bad_At_Home> not in winter

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19:52 <MTughan> Those lazy bums... :P

19:52 <Bad_At_Home> france needs the power to heat homes

19:52 <Tank_Master> lol

19:52 <zombie67> SIMAP:  "Current estimates make us believe it will last to... about end of january!"

19:53 <MTughan> Tell me about it! I have a number of WUs due on the 13th...

19:53 <PovAddict> wow

19:53 <PovAddict> too bad I'm busy doing RS

19:53 <MTughan> And bryanUC just quit.

19:54 <MTughan> I still don't have an email back from Rogue about the ASM issues.

19:58 <zombie67> ugh.  time to call thailand again.

19:58 <Tank_Master> hf

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19:59 <zombie67> oops.  "877" con-call number is busy...that should never be...

19:59 <Tank_Master> doh

20:00 <zombie67> there we go.  working now.

20:01 <Tank_Master> sweet

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20:06 <xcamel> thinking of reasons to call thailand.... Hello?? Are the Mai Tai's cold?

20:07 <xcamel> >>click<<

20:07 <Tank_Master> well, they DO make 60% of the worlds memory

20:08 <xcamel> did they forget the other 40% ??

20:08 <Tank_Master> yeah

20:08 <xcamel> >>groan<<

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20:08 <Tank_Master> wb mt

20:08 <MTughan> Okay, should be fine now.

20:09 <Tank_Master> bout time?

20:09 <xcamel> we thought you broke it.

20:09 <MTughan> That was me hitting my computer hard enough to restart it.

20:09 <MTughan> Then encountering a kernel panic on restart.

20:09 <PovAddict> o.0

20:09 <PovAddict> 0.o

20:09 <xcamel> attack?

20:09 <MTughan> Camino crashed twice closing the same tab.

20:09 <xcamel> oops

20:09 <MTughan> There we go, closed now. >_>

20:10 <MTughan> Had to stuff some more kleenex under the touchpad too.

20:12 <MTughan> Anyway, what'd I miss?

20:12 <PovAddict> bryanUC joined #rieselsieve

20:13 <xcamel> Miss?? Miss??

20:13 <MTughan> So I saw before I crashed.

20:13 <MTughan> And joined here as well.

20:13 <xcamel> is rieselsieve still running?

20:14 <MTughan> The channel sure is. You mean the project? If so, of course.

20:14 <xcamel> hmm..

20:15 <xcamel> what's the credit system?

20:16 <PovAddict> fixed on both apps

20:16 <xcamel> wu time?

20:16 <PovAddict> llr ~4 hours, sieve ~2h30m

20:16 <xcamel> interesting..

20:17 <PovAddict> you need to enable test apps for llr

20:18 <PovAddict> they're "needing" more llr users, but can't take it out of test apps because it still crashes on a few computers

20:20 <xcamel> where is the "enable test" option?

20:20 <PovAddict>

20:20 <Romulus> <> (at

20:22 <xcamel> ok.. we'll see how this goes..

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20:48 <mweltin> heyHEY

20:48 * PovAddict hides

20:51 <mweltin> haha

20:51 <mweltin> no things are good PovAddict

20:51 <mweltin> no reason to hide

20:51 <mweltin> in fact I got a letter from someone at seti.usa or something

20:52 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin

20:52 <MTughan> You know you broke both BruteForce and GA with your recent updates?

20:52 <mweltin> they said they were going to take over the number one spot

20:52 <mweltin> Hey MTughan

20:52 <mweltin> really?

20:52 <MTughan> Yeah. You have duplicate symbols.

20:53 <PovAddict> seti.usa is already at the top

20:53 <mweltin> when did you last update?

20:53 <MTughan> Just today.

20:53 <mweltin> mmmmmmmm

20:53 <PovAddict> &echo seti.usa has [math calc 68073-49057] more credits than Boinc Synergy (which is #2)

20:53 <Romulus> seti.usa has 19016 more credits than Boinc Synergy (which is #2)

20:53 <mweltin> I need to switch to use a branch

20:54 <mweltin> I was just owrking so hard on getting the ga working I didn't have time to look in to branching with svn

20:55 <mweltin> I gotta fix a bug I found in the GA code.  I borrowed it from another project I did a while back for OHSU.

20:55 <mweltin> I need to fix their code.

20:56 <xcamel> llr looks like 3hrs on kyzyl

20:56 <xcamel> seems stable enough though

20:56 <MTughan> Here we go... getdist(std::vector<int, std::allocator<int> >), both in mylib and bruteForce. I compared them manually, same character for character.

20:57 <mweltin> yes that can happen, int2str and tokenize are other functions that got duplicated along the way.

20:58 <PovAddict> xcamel: if you suspend and resume, CPU time may go to 0, but it does have checkpoints

20:58 <PovAddict> credit won't be affected either since it's fixed

20:58 <MTughan> I didn't do anything about it because I didn't know which one you wanted to keep.

20:58 <mweltin> I want to keep the mylib one

20:59 <MTughan> Want me to commit bruteForce or will you?

20:59 <zombie67> done with my thailand call.  switching machines

20:59 <zombie67> brb

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21:00 <mweltin> I committed everything last night.

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21:00 <mweltin> you can go ahead.

21:00 <quail> g'afternoon all, how are we all?

21:01 <MTughan> Hmm... Still getting errors.

21:01 <MTughan> bf_i386/mylib.o definition of _cityDist in section (__DATA,__data)

21:01 <MTughan> /var/tmp//ccaBO601.o definition of _cityDist in section (__DATA,__data)

21:01 <mweltin> commit error MTughan ?

21:01 <xcamel> hiya Q

21:01 <MTughan> The latter is compiled bruteForce.

21:01 <MTughan> No, compile errors. Haven't tried to commit yet.

21:01 <zombie67> hi mweltin!  RAC decay seems to be working.  My RAC is way down now.

21:02 <quail> hey Jay, whats been happening?

21:02 <zombie67> thanks for doing that

21:02 <mweltin> cool beanszombie67

21:02 <mweltin> you are welcome

21:05 <xcamel> not much - finally getting over the early winter "guess what kind of sick you'll be today" stuff...

21:06 <PovAddict> lol

21:06 <xcamel> shaddup PoV - it's summer down there...

21:06 <PovAddict> ^^

21:07 <xcamel> hey.. "planetflip@home" sounds like a good project...

21:07 <PovAddict> :o?

21:07 <xcamel> just keep the "bottome half" in perpetual winter...

21:07 <MTughan> Feeling particularly mean today, Jay?

21:07 <xcamel> lol

21:08 <xcamel> At some point Mike, you'll be old enough to be "sick of winters"

21:09 <zombie67> how much would we weigh if the planet stops spinning?

21:09 <xcamel> exactly the same.

21:09 <zombie67> cant be

21:09 <MTughan> No, because we'd lose the centripedal force.

21:10 <xcamel> we would just be a hurling mass westward at 2400 mph.

21:10 <zombie67> must be heavier w/o spinning

21:10 <zombie67> I mean after we stopped flying ;)

21:10 <PovAddict> MTughan: you sure you dont mean Centrifugal?

21:10 <quail> xcamel: we not having the best summer done here

21:10 <xcamel> then you would be the weight of a grease spot.

21:11 <xcamel> on the side of some hill...

21:11 <MTughan> PovAddict: That's the common knowledge, but there's no such thing as centrifugal force.

21:11 <mweltin> gravity is a function of mass not spin

21:11 <PovAddict> wikipedia shows them as two different forces

21:11 <quail> xcamel: most of Kangaroo Island is on fire cause the the last thunder storm we had

21:11 <PovAddict> and the internet is always right :>

21:11 <xcamel> centripetal force

21:11 <MTughan> The forces you feel is actually a combination of inertia and tension.

21:12 <MTughan> Hooray for grade 12 physics...

21:12 <quail> the fires were started cause of lightening

21:12 <xcamel> ouch

21:12 <xcamel> kind of early for fire season

21:13 <MTughan> PovAddict: There's your physics lesson for today.

21:13 <zombie67>

21:13 <Romulus> <> (at

21:14 <mweltin> oh I did break this something awful

21:15 <zombie67> If the centrifugal force is removed, the gravitational force will not

21:15 <zombie67> change. Since the centrifugal force acted in a direction generally

21:15 <zombie67> opposite to that of gravity, it reduced the resultant force; in its

21:15 <zombie67> absence, the resultant force increases and you will weigh more.

21:15 <zombie67> Note that centrifugal force does not act straight up, and that its strength depends on one's latitude. At the poles, centrifugal force has no effect on one's weight.

21:15 <mweltin> yes

21:15 <quail> xcamel: yeah, but it been a strange summer so far eg 37C one day and the next 24C for example

21:15 <xcamel> HA! Wrong!!

21:16 <mweltin> but I dont' htink you could measure how much the spin attributes to your weight.

21:16 <zombie67> So!  If you want to know the difference, go to one of the oples!

21:16 <zombie67> poles

21:16 <MTughan> zombie67: Not quite. The poles aren't actually where the earth rotates.

21:16 <zombie67> not talking about magnetic pole

21:16 <MTughan> It's not the magnetic pole either.

21:17 <MTughan> That's the one you don't often hear about.

21:17 <xcamel> it was proved not to be true, because you would theoretically weigh more at the exact north (or south) pole where the force is not acting on you - there was no weight change.

21:17 <MTughan> Yeah, that force is small.

21:18 <xcamel> that would be the exact rotational pole

21:18 <MTughan> Apparently if you take a look at Jupiter and compare it a circle though, it's slightly ellipsical.

21:18 <zombie67> Over eons, objects at the equator would gradually increase in weight as they got closer to the center of gravity; this would be in addition to the immediate increase in weight due to the removal of the centrifugal force.

21:18 <MTughan> Because it has a 2 hour rotation.

21:18 <zombie67> On the other hand, objects at the poles would have no immediate change in weight since they would experience no centrifugal force, but they would gradually decrease in weight as the earth rebounded and they got farther from the center.

21:19 <xcamel> acceleration changes, not mass

21:20 <MTughan> Weight depends on mass and gravity.

21:20 <xcamel> also the reason for the great eddy currents in the earth's magma

21:22 <MTughan> PovAddict: Know why we would have a redefinition error with this?

21:22 <MTughan> /var/tmp//ccUZDYhG.o definition of _cityDist in section (__DATA,__data)

21:22 <MTughan> bf_i386/mylib.o definition of _cityDist in section (__DATA,__data)

21:22 <mweltin> MTughan, build is fixed.

21:22 <MTughan> I don't have any updates on SVN.

21:22 <mweltin> MTughan, I dumped about three classes that I was not using out of svn

21:23 <mweltin> just a second

21:23 <MTughan> Yep, saw that.

21:23 <mweltin> I just fixed it

21:23 <MTughan> Anyway, PovAddict: The line with cityDist: retval = retval + cityDist[*follow][*lead];

21:24 <MTughan> It's an array, not a function.

21:25 <mweltin> revision 38 should work.

21:25 <mweltin> In the future I want to be able to swap out matricies of city distances.

21:25 <mweltin> this 48 node TSP is kid stuff.

21:25 <MTughan> Okay, yeah. It works.

21:26 <mweltin> someone did a 900 city TSP

21:26 <mweltin> that is crazy

21:26 <MTughan> Ah... Where'd cityDist go? mylib.h?

21:26 <mweltin> my GA found a path that was 16+k long I'm curious to see that.

21:26 <mweltin> yes

21:26 <mweltin> it went into a header distArray.h

21:26 <MTughan> Ah, there.

21:27 <mweltin> which mylib includes.

21:27 <MTughan> Yeah. You want new BruteForce apps, or is it the same?

21:27 <mweltin> its the same

21:27 <MTughan> And how's GA?

21:27 <mweltin> nothing changed there.

21:27 <mweltin> its working

21:28 <mweltin> I need to test it to make sure I will get duplicate results, even if it is restarted from a checkpoint.

21:28 <MTughan> Sweet...

21:28 <mweltin> then the assmilator and validator which should be trivial-ish

21:29 <zombie67> what happened to eternity2?

21:30 <mweltin> I couldn't resist running a big one last night.  I think I went for a million generations.

21:38 <mweltin> debugging is strange

21:39 <mweltin> sometimes I can single step ('n') and it works

21:39 <mweltin> other times I make a step and it acts as if I asked it to continue.

21:39 <mweltin> can't find a consistant example either.

21:44 <mweltin> oops forgot the loop counter

21:52 <xcamel> well.. off with me..

21:53 <mweltin> bye

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22:05 <Tank_Master> mw!

22:05 <mweltin> TM!

22:06 <Tank_Master> sup?

22:06 <mweltin> ga testing.

22:06 <mweltin> you?

22:07 <mweltin> i let one run for million generations

22:07 <mweltin> found a 16K+ path

22:07 <PovAddict> mweltin: are you sure your logic isn't inverted?

22:07 <PovAddict> make sure your app isn't searching for the longest path :)

22:07 <mweltin> no

22:08 <PovAddict> heh that would suck

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22:08 <mweltin> yeah well the graph from the news shows its working right.

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22:12 <mweltin> Bad!

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22:30 <mweltin> my dog has the best internal clock for food

22:30 <mweltin> 4:30 to the min

22:31 <MTughan> lol

22:31 <Soul_keeper> maybe it has just learned to read the clock :)

22:31 <mweltin> he is amazing

22:31 <mweltin> either way its amazing

22:32 <zombie67> My mastiffs are the same way.  No need for an alarm clock....ever.

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22:48 <mweltin> how do you kill a process if kill -9 doesn't work?

22:48 <MTughan> kill <pid> doesn't work, or is -9 more persistent?

22:49 <Tank_Master> turn the comp off

22:49 <MTughan> lol

22:49 <Tank_Master> unplug the cord

22:49 <PovAddict> if kill -9 doesn't work, I think you're pretty much screwed

22:49 <mweltin> well it was windows I'd just reboot

22:49 <Tank_Master> lol

22:49 <mweltin> ok

22:50 <mweltin> I'll kill X later

22:50 <mweltin> that will do it.

22:50 <MTughan> WTF! I've been banned again!

22:50 <Tank_Master> haha

22:50 <PovAddict> they saw your face!

22:50 <Tank_Master> Wate, y?

22:50 <MTughan> "You have been banned from this forum."

22:50 <MTughan> I'm still on the proxy...

22:50 <PovAddict> you need more IPs

22:51 <Tank_Master> you need an auto IP generator

22:51 <Tank_Master> each connection is on a different IP

22:51 <MTughan> Wait... It's only when I try to log in...

22:57 <mweltin> Godzilla rules

23:08 <mweltin> trilobite!

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