IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2007-12-12

00:06 <MTughan> &cad

00:06 <Romulus>

00:06 <PovAddict> yeah freelarry

00:06 <PovAddict> thx for reminding me MTughan

00:06 <Tank_Master> fun times!

00:07 <freelarry> about half the machines have updates now waiting for the others

00:07 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:07 <Romulus>

00:07 <PovAddict> "let’s set so double the killer delete select all" <- who recognizes that sentence?

00:08 <Tank_Master> sounds like something rommie would say

00:09 <PovAddict> Vista's speech recognition demo - that sentence is catching popular knowledge, some day it will be like "all your base..."

00:09 <PovAddict>

00:09 <Romulus> <> (at

00:14 <MTughan> PovAddict: Know any header, sys/_types.h?

00:14 <PovAddict> not with the underscore

00:14 <MTughan> That's what I figured... Error encountered by someone else compiling GCC as a cross compiler.

00:14 <PovAddict> but sys/* is, well, kinda system dependent

01:19 <Tank_Master> &math 2^456234573437653429897235324

01:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

01:19 <MTughan> math calc.

01:19 <Tank_Master> &math calc 2^456234573437653429897235324

01:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

01:19 <MTughan> Use ** for power.

01:20 <Tank_Master> &math calc 2 ** 456234573437653429897235324

01:20 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.

01:20 <MTughan> lol

01:20 <Tank_Master> dumb bot

01:20 <Tank_Master> some help it is

01:23 <MTughan> I need to be off to bed...

01:23 <MTughan> &nn all

01:23 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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02:27 <efc> mmm, s@h wants some more $$$

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02:54 <efc> moo

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04:12 <ChristmasCoder> morning

04:13 <ChristmasCoder> I see you got the seti e-mail as well, efc

04:16 <efc> noticed they had a $50k donation sometime last year

04:16 <efc> That Considerably exceeds my sofa-change

04:18 <efc> Sounds like they have some interesting science plans coming up

04:21 <ChristmasCoder> yes

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04:23 * efc sums up all results so far as a crackle of static

04:23 <ChristmasCoder> I think we are alone

04:24 <ChristmasCoder> brb  breakfast and headbetters

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04:32 <ChristmasCoder> wb benje

04:45 <benje> hello ChristmasCoder

04:45 <PriitM_> I wonder if SETI@home is dying

04:46 <benje> comment vas-tu ? ChristmasCoder ;)

04:46 <ChristmasCoder> did you get the e-mail PriitM_?

04:46 <PriitM_> yes I did

04:46 <PriitM_> they need s-load of cash and new volunteers

04:46 <ChristmasCoder> je suis ca va benje, et vous?

04:47 <PriitM_> no spik dat langvitz, sori

04:47 <ChristmasCoder> je dit avec benje

04:47 <benje> well

04:47 <benje> parle ChristmasCoder ;)

04:47 <ChristmasCoder> ah parle

04:48 <ChristmasCoder> je parle une tres peu francais

04:48 <ChristmasCoder> et tres mal

04:48 <ChristmasCoder> but I try

04:48 <benje> that's not important ;)

04:48 <benje> well what i hear ? seti is stoping ?

04:49 <efc> They are just rattling their can I think

04:49 <ChristmasCoder> e-mail came out today benje

04:49 <PriitM_> I wonder if I should run like a rat from sinking ship

04:49 <ChristmasCoder> "To keep SETI@home operating for the next year, and to provide these new capabilities, we will need to raise approximately $476,000. Currently SETI@home is entirely funded by donations from people like you."

04:50 <efc> Thats a lot more than they got last year

04:50 <benje> :/ and the contries do nothing for this ? this is not so much money for a contry

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04:51 <efc> the US cut off funding for SETI research around '74 if I recall correctly

04:51 <ChristmasCoder> it would be nothing for some billionaire like Allen to give them what they need

04:53 <efc> He does fund some other thing.. a telescope array or something? I guess they have to pick their priorities

04:54 <PriitM_> I belive I'm going to run like rat from sinking ship

04:55 <efc> If I was in the 10 digit range, I'd fund a bunch of esoteric junk like this

04:55 <efc> Make sure the wharf isn't on fire first..

04:56 <PriitM_> ;)

04:56 <ChristmasCoder>

04:56 <Romulus> <> (at

04:58 * ChristmasCoder stares at the pieces of his nephews laptop

04:59 <efc> Should we call it?

04:59 <ChristmasCoder> not quite sure how the CCFL is supposed to come out?

05:03 <ChristmasCoder> no advice, eh?

05:09 <efc> time of death/dissasembly

05:12 <ChristmasCoder> I stopped working on it at 10:00 last night because I was too tired

05:12 <ChristmasCoder> a new CCFL would cost $9.95

05:13 <ChristmasCoder> I can get the W720 inverter for $32

05:13 <ChristmasCoder> the trick will be the CCFL, getting the old one out and a new one it without breaking the new one

05:14 <ChristmasCoder> it's $178 for the whole LCD, including the CCFL

05:14 <ChristmasCoder> I'm tempted to just do that

05:15 <ChristmasCoder> I'll see what the local laptop repair place has during lunchtime today

05:17 <efc> a lot for a repair relative to total price

05:17 <ChristmasCoder> yeah - the cost of the laptop is the cost of the LCD plus the Microsoft tax

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05:24 <ChristmasCoder> #$@!!   off to w@#%...

05:46 <xcamel_away> boo

05:56 <desti>

05:56 <Romulus> Title: ta3d (at

06:00 <PriitM_> I wonder why isn't Intel making s939 and AM2 motherboards :<

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06:40 <Bad_At_Home> Morning

06:40 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

06:40 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 4.1F / -15.5C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 23.71in / 802.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 36. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 10 to 20. Light winds.; Thursday - Partly cloudy. Highs around 39. Light winds.;

06:40 <hawmps> indeed

06:41 <Bad_At_Home> Brrrr

06:41 <hawmps> 37.9 here - and rain

06:41 <wdsmia_> &weather 50265

06:41 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 20F / -7C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. High in the upper 20s. North wind near 5 mph in the morning becoming light.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Low around 15. Southwest wind near 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 30s. West wind 10 to 15 mph.;

06:45 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86023

06:45 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 10F / -12.2C | Humidity: 97% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 30 on the North Rim to around 50 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 14 on the North Rim to around 25 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Thursday - Partly cloudy. Highs around 33 (1 more message)

06:45 <Bad_At_Home> @more

06:45 <Bad_At_Home> &more

06:45 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: on the North Rim to around 52 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

07:16 <hawmps> looks like the weather gods might be lining up a double punch for the weekend...

07:18 <PriitM_> uhh ohh, am I the only one who's not getting S@h work?

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07:32 <BadBarbarian> the fireplace takes time to warm it up this morning

07:33 <PriitM> I'm happy without fireplace, I got 89W CPU ;)

07:33 <PriitM> looks worse, but works as good if not better

07:33 <BadBarbarian> lol my laptop at work dont put out much hrat

07:34 <BadBarbarian> heat

07:34 <PriitM> like 20-30W?

07:34 <BadBarbarian> ep

07:34 <BadBarbarian> yep

07:35 <BadBarbarian> amd 3200 moble

07:39 <PriitM> this s939 4200 heats up room very nicely

07:39 <PriitM> and does rather decent results too

07:42 <BadBarbarian> hoping my nrw quad will heat my room lol

07:42 <BadBarbarian> new

07:43 <PriitM> i belive it sure will

07:44 <BadBarbarian> found one cheap

07:48 <PriitM> i wonder if xeon 3220 is good for seti

07:48 <BadBarbarian> should be

07:48 <PriitM> 2.4ghz quad

07:49 <PriitM> 8mb cache

07:49 <BadBarbarian> cool

07:50 <PriitM> rather cheap too

07:53 <PriitM> i'm most likely buying it for my new box

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09:07 <quail> anyone interested in buying a few racal rackmountable HF trancievers?

09:27 <hawmps> pics?

09:40 <PovAddict> time for a reboot soon

09:40 <PovAddict> winders updates

10:08 <ChristmasCoder> that's an oxymoron

10:09 <PovAddict> what is?

10:09 <ChristmasCoder> winders updates

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10:25 <ChristmasCoder> wb PovAddict

10:26 <PovAddict> I sent D.A the sourcecode of my script ->

10:26 <PovAddict> so it may be on the list of addons soon

10:26 <ChristmasCoder> congrats

10:26 <ChristmasCoder> I must get back to w@#% - tc

10:26 <ChristmasCoder> cya later

10:27 <PovAddict> ah fun

10:27 <ChristmasCoder> w@#%ing for a living

10:27 <ChristmasCoder> buh-bye

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10:28 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

10:29 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 35.2F / 1.8C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.41in / 1029.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of light rain...drizzle and flurries in the morning...then a slight chance of rain in the afternoon. Highs around 40. Light wind.; Tonight - Rain likely. Snow level 1000 feet. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Lows 30 (1 more message)

10:29 <Tank_Master> &more

10:29 <Romulus> Tank_Master: to 35. Light wind.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain. Highs 40 to 45. Light wind.;

10:29 <BadBarbarian> Morning Tank

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10:52 <wraund> who has ops in here?

10:52 <PovAddict> xcamel, wdsmia

10:53 <wraund> hmm

10:53 <wraund> how does ops work here, is it a given out or a requested jobby?

10:53 <wraund> cos i have ops in a few channels and wondered in BOINC needed another one

10:54 <PovAddict> well xcamel and wdsmia were among the ones who created the channel many years ago

10:54 <PovAddict> and no i doubt you'll be getting ops :)

10:54 <wraund> lol

10:54 <wraund> always worth asking though :P

11:21 <hawmps> we're alll

11:21 <hawmps> stocked up

11:21 <hawmps> on ops here

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13:01 <PovAddict> LHC work

13:05 * TMatWork is already one it

13:05 <TMatWork> on*

13:05 * TMatWork wonders where PovAddict has been

13:05 <TMatWork> :)

13:05 <PovAddict>

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14:38 <wraund> does anyone know when they are going to make a rosetta version with a linux graphic

14:38 <wraund> the screensaer thing

14:38 <wraund> saver*

14:39 <TMatWork> y would you want graphics?

14:39 <hawmps> good luck....

14:39 <TMatWork> it slows things down

14:44 <wraund> TMatWork: for the pretty ness

14:44 <wraund> pretty-ness

14:45 <TMatWork> hehe

14:45 <TMatWork> well, it dose have that...

14:46 <wraund> on windows yes

14:46 <TMatWork> and the nice "wow" factor

14:46 <wraund> linux ni

14:46 <wraund> i want the protien screensaver

14:46 <TMatWork> well, thats what you get for using a nonstandard OS

14:46 <wraund> TMatWork: it is a standard OS fool

14:46 <wraund> Linux is the 2nd in the world

14:46 <wraund> Solaris

14:47 <wraund> THAT is a nonstandard OS

14:47 <wraund> non-standard indeed

14:47 <PovAddict> TMatWork: Windows is one of the few OSs that doesn't comply to actual standards like POSIX

14:47 <wraund> PovAddict: you use linux?

14:48 <PovAddict> no I use Windows, but I don't go around ranting about how good it is and how linux sucks (like TankMaster does), because I know it's not true

14:49 <TMatWork> lol

14:50 <TMatWork> im just playin around

14:50 <TMatWork> sheesh

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14:53 <wraund> i dont like people going on about how linux is rubbish or for geeks

14:54 <wraund> its probably the best computer invention behind 64bit

14:54 <TMatWork> mw!

14:54 <mweltin> really?

14:54 <mweltin> Tank!

14:54 <mweltin> how is the frozen north.

14:54 <mweltin> ?

14:54 <TMatWork> me?

14:54 <TMatWork> still n snow

14:54 <TMatWork> no*

14:55 <mweltin> I wonder how xcamel's car is doing?

14:56 <mweltin> wraund, there are benifits to linux being marginalized.  Job security for one.

14:56 <TMatWork> :)

14:57 <mweltin> wraund, people in the know rely on linux, and work hard to make it better.  You get less scirpt kiddies trying to attact it.

14:57 <wraund> spose

14:57 <wraund> but that dont answer why they havent made a protien folding screensaver for linux


14:58 <TMatWork> faa, damn cap lock

14:58 <mweltin> screensavers are just eye candy.  If they have a linux app that is what is important.

14:58 <wraund> well yeah

14:58 <wraund> they have the app

14:58 <wraund> now for the eyecand :P

14:58 <TMatWork> who was the idot who put the cap key right next to the a anyway?

14:59 <wraund> Mr. Qwerty

14:59 <mweltin> eyecandy is nice, and it helps get people interested in it.

14:59 <TMatWork> its just as bad as the shift right next tot he enter key

14:59 <mweltin> I remember the first time I saw the seti screen saver, I thought WOW that is cool.

14:59 <wraund> aha

14:59 <wraund> there you go

14:59 <wraund> there is a SETi screensaver for linux

14:59 <wraund> but not rosetta :(

14:59 <TMatWork> I do have to admin that rostta does have one of the best screansavers

14:59 <wraund> madness i say!

15:00 <TMatWork> admit*

15:00 <mweltin> and it got me interested in the project

15:00 <mweltin> but what kept me interested was the project itself.

15:01 <wraund> my team :)

15:01 <Romulus> <> (at

15:01 <wraund> thats the 3rd time ive seen that

15:01 <wraund> is Romulus a troll?

15:02 <TMatWork> what bot isnt?

15:02 <mweltin> you mean a tool

15:02 <TMatWork> no, thats just you

15:02 <TMatWork> ;)

15:02 <mweltin> lol

15:02 <wraund> eer Romulus is a bot?

15:02 <TMatWork> ws: yes

15:02 <TMatWork> wr*

15:02 <wraund> ah kk

15:05 <TMatWork> mw:

15:06 <TMatWork> just remember:  waring biker spanex makes you a tool, but waring it with a croud of others also waring the same thing, now your the shyt!

15:07 <TMatWork> anyone know what show that is from?

15:07 <mweltin> no

15:07 <mweltin> should I

15:08 <TMatWork> possably

15:08 <TMatWork> wasnt around log

15:08 <TMatWork> Dead like Me

15:08 <mweltin> never saw it.

15:08 <TMatWork> ahh

15:09 <TMatWork> I liked it

15:09 <mweltin> now the muppet show, that was good TV.

15:09 <TMatWork> bit colorfull on te language though

15:09 <TMatWork> lol

15:09 <TMatWork> they do have some good stuff

15:16 <mweltin> my GF has been getting muppet shows from netflix.

15:29 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin

15:29 <mweltin> MTughan!

15:29 <MTughan> Do you need help then?

15:30 <mweltin> yes, Some folks with slow machines are asking for the initial workunit replication to match the quorum.

15:31 <PovAddict> so do it... :)

15:31 <mweltin> I think the downside is that it will make granting credits to fast people take longer.

15:31 <MTughan> Well, that's why they're fast.

15:31 <mweltin> that is what I'm trying do decide PovAddict,

15:31 <mweltin> nice to see you by the way.

15:31 <zombie67> not slow machines, intermittent net connection is the problem

15:32 <mweltin> yeah,

15:32 <mweltin> zombie67, is right

15:32 <PovAddict> increases credit-granting latency, same credit-granting throughput, but increased computing throughput

15:32 <zombie67> they end up doing "useless" work

15:32 <mweltin> but honestly, I live in the middle of nowhere and i dont' have dialup.  I have sub-dialup speed but still.

15:33 <mweltin> you like the status quo right zombie67 ?

15:33 <mweltin> PovAddict, MTughan any thoughts?

15:33 <zombie67> good justification for ir >quorum is when the prohject needs the results back to generate the next batch

15:34 <zombie67> I am okay either way.  The questions is really:  how fast does the project need the results back?

15:34 <mweltin> which  I don't, my workgenerator is only looks at the queue of WU's ready to send.

15:34 <MTughan> I don't know exactly what you're talking about, sorry.

15:34 <mweltin> the overdue time is one day.

15:34 <zombie67> don't let pending time influence you

15:34 <mweltin> zombie67, I dont' need them back that fast.

15:34 <zombie67> so then go with ir = quorum

15:35 <zombie67> but any time ir > quorum, SSA should be used too.

15:35 <zombie67> all IMO, of course

15:35 <mweltin> which they are.

15:36 <mweltin> and my one test of 1k wu' showed 13 aborts.

15:36 <zombie67> you can also influence pending time by changing the due date

15:37 <mweltin> pending was in reference to work units ready to send.

15:37 <mweltin> due date is 24 hours I think.

15:38 <zombie67> ah, if due date is 24 hours, then waiting for credits to be granted is really a non-issue

15:38 <mweltin> ok I'll try it.

15:39 <mweltin> If I get much pushback I set it back to ir > quorum

15:43 <zombie67> did everyone get some LHC today?

15:43 <MTughan> Mac, so no.

15:43 <mweltin> LHC?

15:43 <MTughan> Large Hadron Collider.

15:43 <zombie67>

15:43 <Romulus> Title: LHC@home (at

15:43 <PovAddict> I did

15:44 <mweltin> those crazy swiss

15:44 <TMatWork> :P

15:44 <zombie67> they rarely have work, so when any is issued, it is a mad rush to get as much as possible

15:44 * TMatWork agrees

15:44 <mweltin> both my parents are swiss, so I know crazy when I see it.

15:44 <TMatWork> lol

15:45 <mweltin> nice home page.

15:45 <zombie67> it's okay

15:45 <zombie67> VERY old

15:45 <zombie67> many things broken

15:46 <mweltin> I'd just like to have a nicer layout, but I don't think its even on the priority list.

15:46 <mweltin> more of a wish list.

15:46 <PovAddict> it's hard to do nice layouts basing on the mess that boinc pages are

15:46 <mweltin> haha

15:46 <zombie67> Keep with the standard layout.  People are familiar with it, going from project to project, and can find things easily.

15:47 <zombie67> easier to upgrade too

15:47 <mweltin> I'm digg'n into the

15:47 <mweltin> lots of cool stuff in there.

15:47 <mweltin> trying to make the interface so popel can sign up for the ga.

15:48 <zombie67> LHC is still issuing more new work, in trickles.

15:48 <MTughan> Damn you Java...

15:48 <TMatWork> sun java sucks

15:48 <zombie67> any OSX/RS app news?

15:48 <MTughan> This is Apple Java.

15:49 <TMatWork> still from sun...

15:49 <MTughan> zombie67: Haven't checked for a response from rogue today...

15:49 <zombie67> ok.  No rush.  won't be able to crunch for RS until xmas

15:49 <TMatWork> ms java was much better untill the DOJ say "hey, your doing better than the peopel who created it, you have to stop"

15:50 <MTughan> MS Java was limited.

15:50 <TMatWork> (was etter at lease on windows)

15:50 <PovAddict> MS Java wasn't better, it was hell for applet authors

15:51 <TMatWork> well, it did perform better and was more secure...

15:51 <PovAddict> working around bugs on the MSJVM

15:51 <TMatWork> not from what I heard...

15:52 <TMatWork> but it dosent *really* matter now...

15:53 <MTughan> zombie67: No response from rogue yet. Although I just sent him a PM last night.

15:53 <MTughan> Damn, my computer's slow right now... Low on free mem, so it's shuttling stuff to VM.

15:54 <TMatWork> hate that

15:54 <PovAddict> hint:close stuff

15:54 <PovAddict> :D

15:55 <MTughan> The problem is what?

15:55 <PovAddict> wow my server log is getting quite flooded with b-sig.php requests :)

15:55 <TMatWork> hint: stop watching porn

15:55 <MTughan> >_>

15:55 <MTughan> The big memory taker is WindowServer.

15:55 <MTughan> Getting close to 1.2GB now.

15:56 <MTughan> Damn... Just shedded down to 80MB...

15:56 <TMatWork> nice amount...

15:56 <MTughan> And all because of one stupid Java program... F***ing thing.

15:56 <MTughan> 1.33GB free now.

15:56 <MTughan> Out of 2GB.

15:57 <TMatWork> :)

15:57 <TMatWork> I thake it things are running better now?

15:57 <MTughan> Much.

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15:59 <zombie67> My PowerMac has 4gb

15:59 <zombie67> sorry, My Mac Pro

15:59 <MTughan> Yeah, they have more slots.

15:59 <zombie67> habits die hard

16:00 <MTughan> My XP machine has 1GB, but I can bump it to 4.

16:00 <MTughan> This can theoretically take 4GB, but I need 2GB RAM cards, which are quite expensive right now.

16:00 <TMatWork> my server 2008 comp has 2GB in it

16:00 <MTughan> Yes, but that's Vista.

16:01 <TMatWork> but I can bump it to 8

16:01 <zombie67> MT:  your machine is XP64?

16:01 <TMatWork> its vista w/o some of the goodies, like the games

16:01 <MTughan> My XP machine is 32-bit. Same with my Tiger machine.

16:01 <PovAddict> but with all the badies!

16:01 <zombie67> then it's limited to just over 3gb

16:02 <MTughan> Is it? Oh well.

16:02 <TMatWork> its a hardware limitation

16:02 <MTughan> So I wonder why ASUS made 478-pin MBs with 4 RAM slots then?

16:02 <TMatWork> 4GB isnt just main memory, its all devices

16:02 <TMatWork> including the vid ram

16:03 <MTughan> It has an AGP slot, no builtin card.

16:03 <TMatWork> so the more vid ram you have, the less allicatable main RAM you can have

16:03 <zombie67> also, need 4 DIMMs to do dual channel mode

16:03 <MTughan> My vid card has its own RAM.

16:03 <TMatWork> its got VID ram in it...

16:03 <TMatWork> its still part of the addressing

16:03 <MTughan> For what?

16:04 <TMatWork> memory addressing

16:04 <zombie67> to to get dual channel, and max ram, you have to install 4gb, even though you can use only 3gb of it

16:04 <PovAddict> with 32-bit there is a limit of 4GB of virtual addressing

16:04 <PovAddict> but you can't use all for physical RAM

16:04 <TMatWork> yeah, some is for the BOINC, some for the vidieo card, ect

16:05 <TMatWork> BOIS*

16:05 <PovAddict> lol

16:05 <PovAddict> BIOS*

16:05 <TMatWork> gee, wonder were my mind was..

16:05 <mweltin> does the boinc client set anything in the project_prefs field in the user table?

16:05 <PovAddict> memory-mapped files, communication with devices, BIOS, etc. use other addresses that aren't part of the physical memory

16:05 <PovAddict> mweltin: the boinc client doesn't set anything there

16:06 <mweltin> I ask because there are already the stubs for project_specifci_prefs..._edit(), _parse()

16:06 <MTughan> mweltin: crunch3r just posted on the TSP forums about his Linux optimized app.

16:06 <MTughan>

16:06 <Romulus> <> (at

16:06 <TMatWork> shweet

16:06 <mweltin> so those are not used and I can put whatever I want them.

16:06 <TMatWork> now if only I had a linux comp...

16:06 <MTughan> You do. It's just running Windows right now.

16:07 <TMatWork> heh

16:07 <mweltin> cool, he said he said he was going to have some intel dude look at them.

16:07 <TMatWork> nice

16:07 <mweltin> lol

16:08 * xcamel_away is back.

16:08 *** xcamel_away is now known as xcamel

16:08 <xcamel> re-hi

16:08 <TMatWork> crap

16:08 <MTughan> Gah... Reading about the hardware conditions, and if I wasn't protected by a gateway that I had no control over, I might offer something here.

16:08 <TMatWork> he's back

16:08 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

16:08 <TMatWork> ;)

16:15 <wraund> i love boinc, take any old machine and its even more chance of curing diseasees :D

16:17 <TMatWork> :P

16:17 <TMatWork> true

16:36 <mweltin> PovAddict, what is the boinc way to get data out of the database?

16:38 <TMatWork> convuluted

16:45 <mweltin> this is my first time trying to hack at the php code base.

16:45 <mweltin> not working out so well.

16:46 <TMatWork> lol

16:46 <TMatWork> at least your learning

16:46 <mweltin> not really

16:47 <PovAddict> I dunno, look at how other pages do it...

16:47 <PovAddict> it was quite changed recently

16:55 <mweltin> do you ever ues the BoincDB class?

16:56 <PovAddict> that was added recently, I never used it

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16:56 <mweltin> ok I'll keep plugging away.

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16:58 <zombie67> BURP has work again!

16:58 <mweltin> :w

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17:06 <TM-Work> same with depspid

17:06 <TM-Work> I got at lease 12 WUs off depspid

17:06 <PovAddict> I still have LHC!

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17:07 <PovAddict> and just got depspid

17:07 <ChristmasCoder> greetings Boincites

17:07 <MTughan> 'lo CC

17:08 <ChristmasCoder> hey MT

17:08 <PovAddict>

17:08 <ChristmasCoder> hey PovAddict

17:09 <ChristmasCoder> yum LHC

17:09 <ChristmasCoder> looks like I have 4 WUs waiting for QMC to get out of the way

17:11 <ChristmasCoder> &weather 45140

17:11 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 42.1F / 5.6C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1023.6hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Becoming cloudy. A chance of rain this evening...then rain after midnight. Lows in the upper 30s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Thursday - Rain in the morning...then a chance of rain in the afternoon. (1 more message)

17:11 * PovAddict moves a bit the % and adds depspid to the project list on his sig

17:11 <PovAddict> also had to enlarge sig, 4 tasks didn't fit

17:11 <ChristmasCoder> it's cut off a bit

17:12 <PovAddict> *now* it's ok

17:12 <PovAddict> finished tweaking

17:12 <ChristmasCoder> mucho bettero

17:12 <ChristmasCoder> *more

17:12 <ChristmasCoder> oops

17:12 <ChristmasCoder> &more

17:12 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Highs in the mid 40s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph... becoming west in the afternoon. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

17:13 <ChristmasCoder> looks like it *might* rain

17:14 <TM-Work> lol

17:15 * TM-Work has had his quota for the week

17:15 <TM-Work> over 6" last weekend

17:16 <ChristmasCoder> bbiab - shopping for laptop parts

17:17 <TM-Work> hf

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17:38 <mweltin> hwo do you put a \n into a databae update query.  I want <app_id>1</app_id>\n<app_id>2</app_id>

17:38 <mweltin> i want the app_id's on different lines.

17:38 <xcamel> must be winduhs update day..

17:38 <mweltin> \n workes

17:39 <mweltin> I had mine the other day

17:39 <mweltin> lost o f" security updates"

17:44 <xcamel> yup

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17:45 <zombie67> Wow!  Check out POEM@home's infrastructure!

17:46 <Romulus> <> (at

17:47 <PovAddict> O_o

17:47 <zombie67> impressive, eh?

17:47 <PovAddict> 8cpu is the main server

17:47 <PovAddict> and a 100cpu cluster if neede

17:47 <PovAddict> d

17:47 <PovAddict> wow

17:48 <zombie67> we have power (likely because we have a lot of nuclear facilities on campus)

17:48 <zombie67> Regarding bandwidth we are lucky anyway, because the research center is to evaluate terabytes of large hadron collider data (LHC) in "real-time", so we have one of the fastest internet access points in Germany.

17:53 <mweltin> is there some globla prefs php object ?

17:53 <PovAddict> search :)

17:54 <mweltin> thanks

17:54 <mweltin> here is the thing, its says that for each app you need a <app_id>N</app_id>

17:54 <PovAddict> ask other projects (that have implemented app filtering) for help

17:55 <mweltin> ok

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17:57 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:57 <xcamel> weathers gods still angry

17:58 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:59 <wdsmia> not bad today a few more days like this and maybe the ice will be off the roads

17:59 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

17:59 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 24F / -4C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.26in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Low 15 to 20. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 30s. West wind 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy until early morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Low 10 to 15. West wind 5 to 10 (1 more message)

17:59 <wdsmia> &more

17:59 <Romulus> wdsmia: mph.;

17:59 <BadBarbarian> hi all

17:59 <wdsmia> *lo BB

18:00 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

18:00 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 34.5F / 1.4C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 23.74in / 803.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog early in the evening...areas of dense fog in the late evening and overnight. Lows 12 to 20. Light winds.; Thursday - Partly cloudy. Areas of dense fog in the morning... patchy fog in the afternoon. Highs around (1 more message)

18:00 <BadBarbarian> &more

18:00 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 39. Light winds.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog in the evening. A 10 percent chance of snow after midnight. No snow accumulation. Lows 14 to 20. Light winds.;

18:01 <mweltin> ok so there is some $prefs struct define, although I have no idea where it came from.

18:04 <xcamel> looks like a big noreaster for this weekend

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18:06 <zombie67> My WCG stats are going to stink tomorrow.  LHC, NQueens are taking a big chunk

18:15 <mweltin> ok time for another credit discussion.

18:16 <PovAddict> ohnoes /o\

18:16 <mweltin> you konw you are right

18:16 <mweltin> I'm just going to grant an average of credits.

18:17 <PovAddict> just tweak it here and there if users complain it's too off

18:17 <PovAddict> I heard cosmology recently started granting too much

18:17 <mweltin> I haven't checked to see hwo tsp stacks up nwo that I'm on fixed credits.

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18:29 * wdsmia likes short wu's with large credit scores

18:29 <PovAddict> =cheating?

18:30 <wdsmia> ?

18:30 <xcamel> cosmo has too many crashes..

18:30 <PovAddict> WUs that take little time and give a lot?

18:32 <wdsmia> so your saying that if you crunch a project that has short wu's and good credit that im cheating?

18:32 <PovAddict> "good credit"?

18:32 <wdsmia> err that I

18:34 <wdsmia> yes good credit

18:34 <ChristmasCoder> back

18:35 <wdsmia> *lo Don

18:35 <ChristmasCoder> laptop parts ordering done

18:35 <ChristmasCoder> hello Doug - what kind of weather do you have in store for me?  =)

18:35 <ChristmasCoder> &seen Tidus

18:35 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Tidus was last seen in #boinc 3 days, 19 hours, 23 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Tidus> yast in 10.3 has been completely reworked.

18:36 <ChristmasCoder> &seen Rookie_69

18:36 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Rookie_69 was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 3 days, 20 hours, 1 minute, and 35 seconds ago: <Rookie_69> NN.

18:36 <wdsmia> Dry but cold

18:36 <ChristmasCoder> I like your forecast better than what they're saying here

18:37 <zombie67> what's the problem with the current credit set up?

18:37 * wdsmia looks at the radar and thinks ChristmasCoder is screwed

18:37 <PovAddict> lol

18:38 * ChristmasCoder reaches for the screwdriver

18:39 <xcamel> looks like all rain

18:39 <ChristmasCoder> yeah, until Saturday

18:40 <ChristmasCoder> then >foof<

18:40 <xcamel> ditto..

18:40 <ChristmasCoder> heavy snow predicted

18:40 <xcamel> ditto

18:41 * ChristmasCoder reads US District Court settlement of fees on foreign credit card transactions

18:41 <xcamel> already sent mine in...

18:41 <ChristmasCoder> I thought it was junk mail at first

18:41 <xcamel> so did I

18:41 <ChristmasCoder> did you take the easy refund?

18:42 <xcamel> nope

18:42 <xcamel> over $25,000 spent in the last 10 years overseas..

18:42 <ChristmasCoder> you probably have more than I, considering business and La Paz

18:42 <ChristmasCoder> like I said... =)

18:43 <xcamel> it was easy enough to do...

18:44 <ChristmasCoder> I'll pull my records, but I don't think 1% of mine will be much

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18:46 <Tank_Master> efc!

18:46 <ChristmasCoder> speaking of easy money...

18:46 <ChristmasCoder> wb efc

18:47 <xcamel> 'lo eddie

18:49 <efc> Hey

18:50 <xcamel> anyone read about the latest darwin award nominee?

18:51 <Tank_Master> what has apple done now?

18:51 <xcamel>

18:51 <Romulus> <> (at

18:53 <Tank_Master> well, at least he got it to work...

18:53 <xcamel> uh-huh

19:00 <zombie67> mweltin, you there?

19:00 <Tank_Master> z

19:01 <mweltin> I'm here

19:01 <mweltin> killing myself with boinc php code

19:01 <Tank_Master> did you see the link in ht eother forum?

19:01 <Tank_Master>

19:01 <Romulus> <> (at

19:01 <mweltin> yeah the link in the forum sure sure I did. wtf

19:01 <zombie67> I just did some number crunching on credits for tsp

19:01 <mweltin> ok

19:01 <zombie67> took the to win box, top linux box, and top mac box

19:01 <mweltin> I'll check it out right now.

19:02 <ChristmasCoder> off 4 2 nite - cya folks

19:02 <Tank_Master> hf

19:02 <efc> night CC

19:02 <zombie67> just a sec

19:03 <zombie67> for each one, I took the last 60 valid results

19:04 <zombie67> you can see it here:

19:04 <Romulus> Title: "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken (at

19:04 <zombie67> go to the downloads page

19:04 <mweltin> funny you should mention that I think Im running 2.4, in fact I know I am.

19:06 <zombie67> summary:  win machine claimed 14.24, and was granted 16...pretty close!

19:07 <zombie67> linux claimed 10.77, granted 16, pretty high

19:07 <mweltin> you posted a link to the welcome page

19:07 <zombie67> go to the downloads page

19:07 <zombie67> for the mac, requested 18.6, granted 16, a little low.

19:07 <Tank_Master> thats what I said, Z

19:08 <Tank_Master> windows is way low

19:08 <zombie67> it's not that windows is low.

19:08 <zombie67> it is that linux is high.

19:08 <zombie67> win is actually slightly too high, linux is way too high, mac is slightly too low.

19:08 <Tank_Master> he took the average of the 3, and since linus id much more efficent...

19:08 <Tank_Master> it skewed the results to much

19:09 <zombie67> the only OS that is being under credited is OSX

19:10 <Tank_Master> well, didnt the windows app get better recently?

19:10 <mweltin> sorry I had to boot windows

19:11 <mweltin> as it is a xls and I dn't hae open office or the patients to wait for it to do load for a week.

19:11 <zombie67> I added a line for average.  if you downloaded it, download it again.

19:11 <zombie67> ??

19:12 <zombie67> I use openoffice.  works for me.

19:12 <PovAddict> zombie67: takes ages to download openoffice on his connection

19:12 <zombie67> ah

19:12 <zombie67> okay, hang on

19:13 <mweltin> no worries

19:13 <mweltin> I have it open now.

19:13 <mweltin> just had to start windows

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19:15 <zombie67> oh, sorry

19:15 <zombie67> none of these machines look like they are using inflated benchmarks, so the goal would to be as close to the claim as possible.

19:16 <mweltin> I knew it was going to look like that.

19:16 <mweltin> I picked 16 so that the fewest number of people would get screwed.

19:16 <zombie67> to repeat (in case you missed it earlier):  win is actually slightly too high, linux is way too high, mac is slightly too low.

19:17 <zombie67> so except for linux, your fixed credits are pretty close.

19:17 <mweltin> If I just did an average all the win folks would get screwed.

19:17 <mweltin> yeah I know

19:17 <zombie67> and the mac folks would get (even more) screwed.

19:19 <mweltin> did you read the forum I posted in the science section?

19:19 <mweltin> thread id 58

19:20 <PovAddict>

19:20 <Romulus> <> (at

19:20 <mweltin> it explains why I picked 16 as a value.

19:21 <zombie67> yeah.  now you are considering changing away from fixed credits?

19:21 <zombie67> question:  why is the linux app so much faster?

19:21 <Tank_Master> its native

19:22 <Tank_Master> the windows app isnt

19:22 <zombie67> average run times:  Win = 3277, Lin = 1664, OSX = 3143

19:22 <Tank_Master> and he know linux better than windows ;)

19:22 <Tank_Master> (or mac)

19:22 <zombie67> that doesn't explain why OSX is as slow as Win

19:22 <Tank_Master> he didnt build the MAC app

19:22 <mweltin> only the ga will go with a different credit scheme.

19:23 <zombie67> OSX and Linux should have similar performance

19:23 <mweltin> Q,why is linux app faster: A,linux is that much cooler

19:23 <Tank_Master> heh

19:23 <mweltin> to be honest I dont know.  I assume it has to do with the STL.

19:24 <zombie67> stl?

19:24 <mweltin> standard template lib.

19:24 <mweltin> it has stuff like vectors and lists and other common data storage containers in it.

19:24 <mweltin> so you don't have to re-write them over and over.

19:25 <zombie67> and osx's stl is that much different?

19:25 <mweltin> plus there are a bunch of algorithms that are , I assumed optimized,

19:25 <mweltin> such as searching and sorting

19:25 <mweltin> I have no idea.

19:25 <mweltin> I can't explain the diff between OSX and linux.

19:26 <Tank_Master> osx10.3&4 is freebsd, not linux

19:26 <mweltin> for now I'll just blame MTughan, cause he built them.

19:26 <Tank_Master> lol

19:26 * mweltin I hope he is not insulted by that. I'm grateful for his help.

19:28 * Tank_Master slaps MTughan around a bit with a large trout

19:28 <zombie67> I just attached my PII/linux box... ;)

19:28 <Tank_Master> lol

19:32 <xcamel> hmmm.. 3-5" possible tomorrow

19:32 <mweltin> zombie67, you have been holding out boxes from tsp?

19:32 <zombie67> I think people are starting to hit their daily limit on LHC

19:32 <PovAddict> I have LHC waiting to run

19:32 * PovAddict suspends RS

19:33 <zombie67> I had none attached to tsp, due to the christmas race on wcg.

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19:33 <zombie67> now I have 1!

19:33 <Tank_Master> lhc?

19:33 <zombie67> a PII, but since it is linux, it runs like a PIII!!!

19:33 <zombie67> ;)

19:34 <zombie67> now 39000 in progress at LHC

19:34 <PovAddict> wow nice

19:34 <zombie67> once xmas arrives, my macs will move to TSP

19:35 <zombie67> and my win boxes to RS and a few others.

19:36 <Tank_Master> having db issues mw?

19:36 <mweltin> yes!

19:36 <Tank_Master> ok

19:38 <mweltin> I'm getting pissed to

19:38 <mweltin> I cant find the error.

19:39 <mweltin> for some reason the db object I created forgets its name.

19:40 <mweltin> get_logged_in_user works fine, but when I makea instance of BoincDb it has no name.

19:40 <mweltin> I can't even set it by hand.

19:41 <xcamel> >> Windows Vista SP1 Includes More Than 300 Hot Fixes

19:42 <xcamel> >> "w00t" crowned word of year by US dictionary

19:42 <xcamel> ...hard to believe

19:48 <zombie67> not the first one...

19:57 <xcamel>

19:57 <Romulus> <> (at

19:58 <xcamel> "Year's Best" Meteor Shower to Peak December 13-14

19:58 <Tank_Master> shweet

20:02 <BadBarbarian> well tank the orders in

20:04 <mweltin> man I do not understand this syntax at all.

20:04 <Tank_Master> congrats

20:05 <MTughan> mweltin: "query: select * from tsp.user where authenticator='db019fb1d728637e7fd781aecc12b932'"

20:05 <MTughan> On

20:06 <Romulus> Title: TSP Message boards (at

20:06 <Tank_Master> he know

20:06 <mweltin> no I didn't know that.

20:07 <PovAddict> fixed now o.0

20:07 <mweltin> I was just messing with a different page

20:08 <mweltin> I've been hacking at this for hours

20:08 <Tank_Master> I asked earlyer, you said "yes"

20:08 <mweltin> you asked if I was haveing db troubles.

20:09 <Tank_Master> yeah...

20:09 <Tank_Master> and the page is haveing querey issues

20:10 <MTughan> Ow... I just stabbed my gum with a potato chip...

20:10 <PovAddict> that's no fun...

20:10 <PovAddict> but...

20:10 <PovAddict> now you made me want

20:10 * PovAddict wonders if he has any pringles left - brb

20:10 <Tank_Master> :P

20:11 <PovAddict> hmm nope :-\

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20:13 <mweltin> so BoincDb is a php class, so you would assume you could call new and have an instance of that class no?

20:14 <PovAddict> I think some other file (like the one where the class is defined) already creates an instance

20:16 <mweltin> its like they just use it for the namespace but dont really make it a class with a constructor

20:17 <PovAddict> you should use the existing instance

20:17 <PovAddict> again, best way is seeing how other pages do it

20:19 <Tank_Master> wow, Im almost done witha 10h ABC WU...

20:27 <PovAddict> still getting more LHC units!

20:29 <Tank_Master> same here

20:31 <mweltin> ok I'm sorry but this is f'ed up.

20:31 <mweltin> I have to make a instance of BoincDB

20:32 <mweltin> then use that to make an instance of BdConn

20:32 <mweltin> when it clearly states BoincDB extends DbConn in the class def.

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20:42 <_Q> heh, just noticed I broke 100K credits yesterday

20:42 <MTughan> Nice!

20:45 <_Q> seems the SIMAP project has started feeding me work units to be processed using HMMER@home instead of SIMAP@home

20:46 <_Q> and LHC is idle, as usual

20:47 <MTughan> There were WUs earlier today.

20:47 <MTughan> For LHC.

20:47 <_Q> got in about 200 credits a few days ago

20:47 <_Q> and nothing since

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20:56 <mweltin> ok now that that mess is straight i'm going to work on something I know a little about.

20:57 <mweltin> take care guys.

20:57 <MTughan> Bye.

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21:00 <xcamel> re-back

21:02 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

21:06 <xcamel> Hi mike

21:08 <xcamel> looks like big snow this weekend..

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21:13 <zombie67> back

21:14 <zombie67> up to 41k in progress at LHC

21:14 <xcamel> only got two.

21:14 <xcamel> which sucks.

21:14 <zombie67> when is the 24hr clock reset?

21:15 <PovAddict> 24 hours after the previous one for your host

21:15 <zombie67> so, 24 hours from the time I got my 1st one?

21:16 <PovAddict> I guess

21:16 <zombie67> anyone recall when they started this round?

21:17 <zombie67> I think I'm hitting the wall, but can't tell for sure.

21:23 <xcamel> late yesterday...

21:23 <xcamel> it went fast..

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21:44 <xcamel> res: you're here twice...

21:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

21:52 <freelarry> uh oh xcamel getting ready to be Mr. Grinch ;)

21:52 <MTughan> Don't tick off the op...

21:52 <freelarry> lol i know

21:52 <Bad_At_Home> hi larry

21:52 <zombie67> something is going on now...

21:52 <Romulus> Title: Superlink@EGEE queue (at

21:52 <freelarry> howdy

21:53 <Bad_At_Home> did it work

21:53 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel

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21:55 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

21:55 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 13.6F / -10.2C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 23.71in / 802.8hPa | Conditions: Light Freezing Fog | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.7mph / 4.3km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog early in the evening...areas of dense fog in the late evening and overnight. Lows 12 to 20. Light winds.; Thursday - Partly cloudy. Areas of dense fog in the morning... patchy fog in the afternoon. (1 more message)

21:55 <xcamel> well... off with me..

21:55 <Bad_At_Home> &more

21:55 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Highs around 39. Light winds.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog in the evening. A 10 percent chance of snow after midnight. No snow accumulation. Lows 14 to 20. Light winds.;

21:55 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

21:55 *** xcamel is now known as xcamel_away

21:55 <MTughan> Bye Jay.

21:55 <zombie67> Zivis has a home page again

21:55 <Romulus> Title: IBERCIVIS (at

21:55 <Bad_At_Home> bye xcamel

21:55 <PovAddict> :o

21:55 <freelarry> Bad_At_Home card works - i'm still trying to get software straightened tho

21:56 <Bad_At_Home> cool

21:56 <Bad_At_Home> dirty slots

21:56 <freelarry> card is for utp only tho

21:56 <freelarry> so part of problem i think

21:56 <Bad_At_Home> did you wash the card edge in alcohol

21:57 <freelarry> checked with the util program from davicom

21:57 <PovAddict> zombie67: my quick n dirty translation: "Page under construction - Via the connection of participants' computers an e-science platform will be created for the Spanish investigators. Ivercivis will be launched to the public soon and on this webpage you will find all the related information"

21:57 <freelarry> didn't need to

21:57 <Bad_At_Home> they get tarnished

21:57 <Bad_At_Home> cool

21:57 <zombie67> thanks!

21:57 <freelarry> true but could see good connection spots

21:58 <zombie67> Zivis II/test has lots of work:

21:58 <Romulus> Title: Test Project (at

21:58 <freelarry> well back upstairs again

21:58 <zombie67> however, no validation seems to be going on

21:58 <PovAddict> better not be uppercase

21:59 <zombie67> not any more

21:59 <zombie67> they just uploaded a new app today

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22:31 <mweltin> who offers multiple apps, yoyo?

22:31 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin

22:31 <mweltin> hey

22:31 <zombie67> hello

22:31 <PovAddict> rieselsieve too, so you could ask bryanUC

22:32 <PovAddict> they use perlboinc, but the webpage parts are the same

22:32 <zombie67> feels like I am coming into the middle of a conversation

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22:32 <MTughan> I know WCG does, but I don't know anyone there.

22:32 <MTughan> zombie67: Multiple applications for different purposes.

22:32 <mweltin> I'm about ready to kill

22:32 <zombie67> ah

22:32 <zombie67> Primegrid

22:32 <PovAddict> mweltin: are you asking who gives different apps, or who lets the user choose between apps?

22:32 <zombie67> Malaria control

22:32 <zombie67> RS

22:32 <zombie67> yoyo

22:33 <PovAddict> no wait

22:33 <mweltin> who lets users choose.

22:33 <PovAddict> RS uses the beta test system, not the app filtering, so no...

22:33 <zombie67> primegrid

22:33 <zombie67> yoyo

22:33 <zombie67> malaria control

22:33 <zombie67> RS

22:33 <zombie67> ;)

22:33 <MTughan> zombie67: Who we know someone from.

22:33 <mweltin> I got it working, and then I realized, it should really be controled from the prefs.php page.

22:33 <mweltin> and now I'm lost as to how to integrate it.

22:33 <zombie67> WCG

22:34 <mweltin> Place your version in project_specific/

22:34 <zombie67> Lattice

22:34 <mweltin> what does that mean?

22:34 <MTughan> Would it just be RS with bryanUC and yoyo@home with yoyo[RKN]?

22:34 <mweltin> is that in the html root?

22:34 <zombie67> I don't know who you know

22:34 <MTughan> Well, who's on IRC?

22:34 <PovAddict> mweltin: html/project/

22:34 <mweltin> I'm checking skype for yoyo

22:35 <zombie67> you can also try this team's IRC channel

22:35 <zombie67> it is a bit early for yoyo

22:35 <mweltin> the comments in that page say to place your version in project_specific/

22:35 <PovAddict> mweltin: what page? I see clearly html/project/

22:36 <PovAddict> on ProjectSpecificPrefs

22:36 <mweltin> I read taht page PovAddict

22:37 <zombie67> the WCG guy posts to the dev or projects mail lists

22:37 <PovAddict> where [the hell] did you see project_specific/

22:37 <mweltin> I finished a app that edits the proj_spec filed in the database.

22:37 <PovAddict> damn i g2g

22:37 <zombie67> haven't I seen rytis on irc?

22:37 <mweltin> but it really needs to be mangaed from the boinc project Preferences link at the bottom of the home page.

22:38 <mweltin> PovAddict, look at the html/project/

22:38 <mweltin> right at the top the comments there.

22:38 <zombie67> 4:38 AM in germany.  Bive him 2-3 hours

22:38 <zombie67> Give

22:46 <mweltin> so is the color scheme means nothing?

22:48 <zombie67> color?  are you mixing privite and public conversations?

22:48 <mweltin> no it goes back to prefs thread

22:49 <zombie67> ah

22:50 <mweltin> so do boinc projects have a color scheme or a Max frames per second?

22:50 <mweltin> are are these just there for no reason.

22:51 <mweltin> well, or the reson of demonstration

22:51 <mweltin> reason*

22:51 <zombie67> in addition to the multiple app method, there is the test app setting too.

22:51 <mweltin> what multiple app method?

22:52 <mweltin> passing <app_id>N</app_id> ?

22:53 <zombie67> whoaway over my head

22:53 <zombie67> All I know is that there is way to turn on/off a test app flag.

22:54 <mweltin> for which project?

22:54 <zombie67> and there is also a way to allow people to select from multiple non-test apps

22:54 <zombie67> let me look

22:55 <zombie67> Malaria control does both.

22:56 <mweltin> can you post a screen shot or something of the preferences page?

22:56 <zombie67> RS uses the test app flag to allow the user to choose seive or LLR apps

22:56 <zombie67> ok

22:59 <zombie67> do you still have my web site?

22:59 <mweltin> yes

23:00 <zombie67> RS and malaria are in the DL page

23:01 <mweltin> ok

23:01 <mweltin> sweet

23:01 <mweltin> it is where I would expect it to be.

23:01 <mweltin> what is the if short hand. exp?true:flase ??

23:02 <MTughan> If it is, it's false, not flase.

23:02 <zombie67> greek

23:03 <zombie67> just added yoyo.  he does test and multiple apps too.

23:04 <MTughan> Ah, there they are...

23:05 <mweltin> yeah, its just f'ed up. The api is easy if all the tags are unique.

23:05 <mweltin> but for multiple apps you need to use the same tag for each app.

23:05 <mweltin> <app_id>#appid</app_id>

23:06 <mweltin> so its a lot of cludge crap to get it to work.

23:08 <zombie67> heh, if you ever need to know which projects do what, I'm your guy.  If you want to know HOW they do what, POV and yoyo are your guys

23:17 <zombie67> changing machines.  brb

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23:23 <zombie67> heh.  the LHC volunteers have definately hit their daily maximums.  the server is now up to 53k in progress, with several hundred available.

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23:27 <zombie67> has LHC upped their limit??  I have 22 on a dual core!

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