IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2007-12-14

00:02 <MTughan> &cad

00:02 <Romulus>

00:04 <MTughan> Whoa... Is anyone able to get the latest xkcd?

00:05 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:05 <Romulus>

00:05 <MTughan> I just get the alt text, and viewing the image by itself gets a 403 Forbidden.

00:10 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

00:10 <Tank_Master> &more

00:10 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 38.4F / 3.6C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.31in / 1026.3hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of sprinkles. Fog with areas of dense fog especially around Hillsboro. Patchy freezing fog late. Lows 30 to 35. Light wind.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of sprinkles or light rain Clark County in (1 more message)

00:10 <Romulus> Tank_Master: the morning. Areas of dense fog in the morning with local freezing fog early especially near Hillsboro. Highs 40 to 45. Light wind becoming south 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.; Friday Night - Rain. Lows around 35. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Dense Fog Advisory for Washington County in effect until 11:00 AM PST on December 14, 2007;

00:11 <Tank_Master> great

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00:11 <Tank_Master> guess what city I live in...

00:11 <MTughan> Ah, XKCD's up.

00:12 <MTughan> &zipinfo 97007

00:12 <Romulus> MTughan: City: Beaverton; State: OR; County: Washington; Area Code: 503; Time Zone: PST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 45.4535 (North); Longitude: 122.8761 (West)

00:12 <Tank_Master> mail is beaverson, school is hillsoro

00:13 <Tank_Master> we nevwe got our of the dense fog today, so its not exactly "developing"

00:26 <MTughan> I'm off to bed. Night.

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00:40 <mweltin> &seen MTughan,

00:40 <Romulus> mweltin: I have not seen MTughan,.

00:40 <mweltin> &seen MTughan

00:40 <Romulus> mweltin: MTughan was last seen in #boinc 13 minutes and 21 seconds ago: <MTughan> I'm off to bed. Night.

00:45 <mweltin> ok so who is taking all the work units?

00:45 <mweltin> Dr. someone warned me about this

00:46 <mweltin> 2k of results in progess and I can't make tasks fast enough.

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01:24 <Tank_Master> mw!

01:24 <mweltin> TANK!

01:26 <mweltin> running bench mark test now.

01:26 <mweltin> I'm done building all the pieces.

01:26 <mweltin> finished the work generator a hour ago.

01:27 <mweltin> I still have to test it, and I'm running the bench mark test to get an fpops estimate, but it should be up real soon.

01:28 <mweltin> I'm going with a population size of 10k and a million generations.

01:28 <mweltin> some big (for tsp) workunits.

01:31 * mweltin listens to the crickets in #boinc

01:32 * efc chirp chirp

01:32 <mweltin> e nice to see you

01:33 * Tank_Master gets out his bug spray

01:35 <Tank_Master> &cyborg COD

01:35 <Romulus> Tank_Master: C.O.D.: Construct Optimized for Destruction

01:36 <mweltin> haha I found a guy in my stats list his user name was ....

01:36 <mweltin> hexidecimator

01:37 <mweltin> I just found that to be no end of funny.

01:37 <efc> "I will divide your forces by 16!"

01:37 <mweltin> I wish i had thought of that.

01:37 <mweltin> hahaah

01:38 <mweltin> together we stand, divided we fall to bits.

01:38 <Tank_Master> bits and nibbles

01:39 <Tank_Master> together we byte, appart we are just bits n nibbles

01:39 <mweltin> even better

01:40 <efc> Ranks up there with Sexecutioner and Farticus (that one's mine :) )

01:40 <mweltin> gwar you can't go wrong with that.

01:40 * efc hears a chorus of "No! I am Farticus!"

01:44 <mweltin> wasn't that the guy in 300?

01:50 <efc> Same idea

01:52 <Tank_Master> "Behold the power of my fart!"

01:54 <mweltin> I don't know how I lived without sprintf all these years.

01:55 <mweltin> someone is sucking my results queue dry.

01:55 <mweltin> I thought that wasn't going to happen until after christmas.

01:55 <mweltin> I'm looking at you Tank_Master

01:58 <Tank_Master> sorry

01:58 <mweltin> don't be sorry

01:58 <mweltin> you just have to tell me I'm not making enough work.

01:58 <Tank_Master> then id have to tell you im not running anything but WCG untill jan 5th

01:59 <mweltin> hahahaahahaha

01:59 <mweltin> so its not you

01:59 <Tank_Master> nope

01:59 <mweltin> I wonder what is goign on.

01:59 <Tank_Master> but some other members on my team found out about it

01:59 <Tank_Master> some that make me liike like small fry

01:59 <mweltin> 2k worth of pending results.

01:59 <Tank_Master> look*

01:59 <mweltin> you have a crazy team

02:00 <mweltin> you are double PovAddict team at TSP anyway for both total and RAC

02:05 <mweltin> who is Dr. Dan ?

02:07 <mweltin> allprojectstats dot com

02:07 <mweltin> that was a cool site.

02:09 <efc>

02:09 <Romulus> Title: The Real SMOKING GUN As To Life On Mars (at

02:10 <Tank_Master> dr dan is a member with lots of servers

02:11 <Tank_Master> dr dan t morus, right?

02:11 <mweltin> yup

02:11 <Tank_Master> ya

02:12 <Tank_Master> he sent me a 1u dual socket P4 xeon server a few months back

02:13 <mweltin> nice guy

02:14 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:14 <Tank_Master> was fun to play with

02:15 <Tank_Master> got server 2008 running on it now

02:20 <mweltin> PovAddict, has some funny folks on his team.

02:20 <mweltin> the "housekeeper of Camelot" just signed up for tsp

02:23 <mweltin> what does beta imply in the app table?

02:23 <mweltin> I'm dying to add this ga.  the work generator keeps crashing because it can't find it in the app table.

02:27 <Tank_Master> did you loose it again?

02:27 <mweltin> no

02:27 <Tank_Master> I told you to put it on the counter so you will remember to put it in the table with it was ready

02:28 <mweltin> this thing is crashing all over the place

02:31 <Tank_Master>

02:31 <Romulus> Title: GOD MODE * Gaming Comics Hilarity (at

02:37 <Tank_Master> thought youd like that, mw

02:39 <mweltin> sorry i didn't ehck it out yet

02:41 <mweltin> hahahaha

02:41 <mweltin> I love that game.

02:42 <Tank_Master> :P

02:42 <Tank_Master> anywho, im off to bed

02:43 <mweltin> later

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03:59 <quail> wow 95,000 hectares of Kangaroo Island has been burn

03:59 <mweltin> holy sihiznit, that a  lot of land.

04:00 <quail> its been burning for over a week

04:01 <mweltin> that is crazy

04:03 <quail> yeah

04:05 <Bad_At_Home_> hell thats almost 250.000 acres

04:05 <mweltin> hey bad

04:05 <mweltin> have you are quail used the C api for generating work?

04:07 <quail> mweltin: nope

04:07 <mweltin> ok

04:08 <Bad_At_Home_> 2 am midnight snack lol

04:08 <mweltin> you on the west coast Bad?

04:09 <Bad_At_Home_> Moutain time

04:10 <Bad_At_Home_> here in arizona we dont do daylight savings time

04:10 <mweltin> same here

04:11 <mweltin> no point, so close to the equator every day is the same.

04:11 <Bad_At_Home_> half the year on west coast time half the year on moutain time lol

04:13 <Bad_At_Home_> i broke down and ordered a quad

04:13 <Bad_At_Home_> hope to have it before christmas

04:13 <mweltin> hahaha

04:14 <Bad_At_Home_> will have water cooling out of the box lol

04:14 <Bad_At_Home_> and its new not a refurb

04:15 <mweltin> no WAY

04:15 <Bad_At_Home_> yep

04:15 <mweltin> water cooling

04:15 <Bad_At_Home_> yep

04:15 <mweltin> how does that work?  Can you get an output for your tea?

04:16 <quail> hehe

04:16 <Bad_At_Home_> google cooler master viva cpu

04:16 <mweltin> if you had a tropical fish tank you could use that as your water heater.

04:16 <Bad_At_Home_> lol

04:17 <mweltin> what is the power supply like?

04:17 <Bad_At_Home_> 650 watt sli

04:17 <mweltin> i have a dual core, well I mean I have two crappy laptops.

04:17 <mweltin> what manages the cores?

04:18 <mweltin> can you dedicate one core for one app, and have the other three for other randomstuff?

04:18 <Bad_At_Home_> its in a gigabyye mb xery over clock able my friend runs seti with his quad at 3.8

04:18 <mweltin> what are you going to run on it? (OS wise)

04:18 <Bad_At_Home_> xp x64

04:19 <quail> woot I can here rain

04:19 <mweltin> 64 bit cores?

04:19 <Bad_At_Home_> yes

04:19 <mweltin> how much was it?  If you don't mind me asking.

04:20 <Bad_At_Home_> the refurb i had before it messed up was doing 4 seti wu's every 2 hours

04:20 <Bad_At_Home_> 900.00

04:20 <Bad_At_Home_> with shipping

04:21 <mweltin> nice!

04:21 <mweltin> that was what my 1.3GHz laptop cost me.

04:21 <Bad_At_Home_> custom builders

04:22 <Bad_At_Home_> oh sorry 950.00 forgot shipping

04:22 <mweltin> well you got a good deal as far as i can tell.

04:23 <mweltin> let hope they stay cool.

04:23 <mweltin> is there a safety cut off if the temp goes to high.

04:23 <Bad_At_Home_> shipping would be hell to you lol

04:23 <mweltin> that must run super hot.

04:23 <Bad_At_Home_> yes and an alarm

04:23 <mweltin> you have no idea.

04:24 <mweltin> mail only comes on thrusday and sunday.

04:24 <Bad_At_Home_> the refurb was running 60c crunching seti

04:24 <mweltin> prioriy mail takes 2 and half weeks.

04:24 <mweltin> ground or bulk mail can take over two months.

04:25 <Bad_At_Home_> UPS ?

04:25 <mweltin> dude we don't even have addresses

04:25 <mweltin> the entire island uses PO boxes.

04:25 <Bad_At_Home_> lol

04:25 <mweltin> I'm serious

04:26 <Bad_At_Home_> i hear you

04:26 <mweltin> the directions to my house.

04:26 <mweltin> leave pago toward the korean house, turn up the driveway at the banyon tree and I'm the second house on the left.

04:26 <mweltin> and people know what I'm talking about.

04:27 <Bad_At_Home_> no ups for you

04:27 <mweltin> there is DHL but I have no idea how they find anyone.

04:28 <Bad_At_Home_> hey you have highspeed internet thats a good thing

04:28 <mweltin> LOL

04:28 <mweltin> hahahahahahahahahaaha high speed ahahahahahahahaaha

04:29 <ChristmasCoder> morning

04:29 <mweltin> I spend $75 a month for 128KB service

04:29 <freelarry> ahh america soma (cant spell even after looking)

04:29 <mweltin> KB not MB KB

04:29 <Bad_At_Home_> ow

04:29 <Bad_At_Home_> morning CC

04:29 <ChristmasCoder> hey BAH

04:29 <mweltin> morn'n freelarry and ChristmasCoder

04:29 <ChristmasCoder> hey mweltin

04:29 <ChristmasCoder> hey Larry

04:30 <ChristmasCoder> &weather 45140

04:30 <freelarry> and a Grumpy Blah Hamburger to you too ;)

04:30 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 33.4F / 0.8C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.26in / 1024.6hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then partly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. Northwest winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - A chance of snow...rain...freezing rain (1 more message)

04:30 <mweltin> have either of you used the c api for creating workunits?

04:30 * freelarry looks ovr shoulder to make sure tax collectors not on tail

04:30 <ChristmasCoder> &more

04:30 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: and sleet in the morning...then rain in the afternoon. Snow accumulation less than an inch. Highs in the mid 30s. East winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 6:00 AM EST on December 16, 2007;

04:30 <ChristmasCoder> ah - backing down on the forecast

04:31 <freelarry> humm after seeing your forecast will keep quiet about mine

04:31 <Bad_At_Home_> &weather 86046

04:31 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home_: Temperature: 10.6F / -11.9C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 23.54in / 797.1hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.2mph / 3.5km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Patchy fog late. Increasing clouds...becoming mostly cloudy with a 10 percent chance of light snow after midnight. No accumulation expected. Lows 6 to 14. Light winds.; Friday - Partly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of snow (1 more message)

04:31 <Bad_At_Home_> &more

04:31 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home_: in the morning. No snow accumulation. Highs 32 to 38. Light winds becoming north around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 11 to 17. Light winds.;

04:31 <freelarry> just glad i'm not in mountains

04:31 <ChristmasCoder> signficantly less chance of Armageddon

04:31 <mweltin> Highs of 32

04:31 <freelarry> just rain here

04:31 <mweltin> LOL

04:31 <mweltin> your high is below freezing.

04:32 <freelarry> thats what ice melt for

04:32 <mweltin> our water temp is 84

04:32 <Bad_At_Home_> lol

04:32 <freelarry> &weather 98366

04:32 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 39F / 4C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Rain likely. Lows in the mid to upper 30s. South wind 5 to 15 mph.; Friday - Rain likely. Highs in the 40s. South wind around 10 mph.; Friday Night - Rain. Lows near 40. South wind 10 to 20 mph.;

04:34 <Bad_At_Home_> well i need a little more sleep see you'all later

04:34 <efc> &weather 30625

04:34 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 55F / 13C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Light and variable winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. Light and variable winds.; Saturday - Slight chance of rain and patchy drizzle in the morning...then rain in the afternoon. Highs in the lower (1 more message)

04:35 <ChristmasCoder> see ya BAH humbug

04:36 <ChristmasCoder> the new LCD for my nephew's laptop should arrive today

04:37 * ChristmasCoder does a peculiar little dance around the room

04:37 <freelarry> oh had to have a repair done?

04:37 <freelarry> or seperate monitor

04:38 <ChristmasCoder> his laptop backlight quit working

04:38 <mweltin> that sucks

04:38 <freelarry> ouch those are hard florescent bulbs to reach

04:38 <ChristmasCoder> with my sister in the hospital, it became a job for Uncle Don

04:38 <mweltin> friend of mine got a GREAT deal on a laptop once because of that.  He had it fixed in a day.

04:38 <freelarry> i know i haven't the patience to disassemble that far

04:39 <efc> Any advice from the nerdsquad which Roomba model would be good?

04:40 <ChristmasCoder> I have 3 Discovery models

04:40 <freelarry> not from me - looked at what the NEX had in stock but at 250 decided to pass

04:40 <ChristmasCoder> er, quantity 3 of the Discovery model

04:40 <mweltin> the vacume robots?

04:40 <freelarry> thats dem

04:40 <quail> &weather ypad

04:40 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 7:30 PM CST; Chance of Rain. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:57 F. / 14 C.; Chance of Rain. High:71 F. / 22 C.; Overcast. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:51 F. / 11 (1 more message)

04:40 <ChristmasCoder> mine all have names

04:41 <ChristmasCoder> Huey, Dewey and Louie

04:41 <efc> They have refurb schedulers for $157

04:41 <freelarry> fraid little one might take a liking to one if i had it in the house

04:41 <efc> More a toy to me than an appliance..

04:41 <ChristmasCoder> I can't *ever* see using a schedule

04:41 * freelarry wonders what to call half dachsund half roomba mix

04:41 <ChristmasCoder> they are the main way I keep up on the house

04:41 <efc> me neither. I have no schedule, why should my bot.

04:42 <ChristmasCoder> the problem is that the socks I toss on the floor don't know about the schedule

04:42 <mweltin> what is its path? random? does it learn the house?

04:43 <ChristmasCoder> I had a Roomba climb a window shade cord that I careless left touching the floor

04:43 <efc> I'll never, ever get my floor clear hehe

04:43 * freelarry wonders if roomba brain could run a street sweeper

04:44 <ChristmasCoder> the Roomba runs 3 patterns - sprial, wall-following and room-crossing

04:44 <freelarry> that way efc may get floor cleaned/cleared ;)

04:44 <mweltin> doesn't Rodney Brooks have somethign to do with that company?

04:45 <ChristmasCoder> it works those patterns in such a way as to cover the room, but it does not "map" the room

04:45 <mweltin> you think they could come up withsomethign better than that.

04:45 <ChristmasCoder> dunno Rodney Brooks

04:45 <efc> Bushhog is what I need

04:45 <mweltin> he is mr. robot.

04:45 <mweltin> lala brush hog

04:45 <mweltin> haha*

04:46 <freelarry> some streetsweepers bet that attachment

04:46 <freelarry> gt

04:46 <freelarry> get

04:47 * freelarry Glares at keyboard and reaches for frozen trout

04:47 <freelarry> &nn all 9am comes too fast and painters will showup about that time

04:47 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

04:47 <ChristmasCoder> yes Rodney Brooks is a co-founder

04:47 <Romulus> Title: iRobot Corporation: Management Team (at

04:48 <ChristmasCoder> cya FL

04:48 <mweltin> there you go

04:48 <quail>

04:48 <Romulus> Title: Data Robotics, Inc. (at

04:48 <ChristmasCoder> here I go - brb breakfast

04:49 <quail> k

04:49 <mweltin> so the "tasks" in the config.xml file, where are they run from? tmp_HOST?

04:53 <efc> I vacuum about once every 6 months

04:54 <mweltin> I don't vacuum or do laundry, I do mow the lawn and do the dishes.

04:54 <mweltin> and take out the trash and slack off diving as much as I can.

04:55 <efc> Yeah, I draw the line at organic garbage that smells

04:56 <ChristmasCoder> b w/b

04:56 <mweltin> I'm getting good at this boinc stuff

04:57 * ChristmasCoder applauds

04:57 <mweltin> I think i just worked out all my auto workgenerator stuff.

04:57 <mweltin> thanks

04:58 <mweltin> it was part C++ part PHP before and I had a few probleme along the way.

04:58 <mweltin> now its all in C using hte boinc api.

04:58 <mweltin> wasn't too easy to figure out, but I think its done.

04:59 * ChristmasCoder dives into Code whenever he can

04:59 <mweltin> what project do you run?

05:00 <ChristmasCoder> SAH, QMC, LHC mostly lately

05:00 <mweltin> you code for all those ?!!? you are a code hound.

05:01 <efc> I've been working on my Galactic Positioning System.. its turned out to be extremely un-elegant, odd for such a math-heavy thing

05:01 <ChristmasCoder> I Code for the glory of it

05:01 <quail> ChristmasCoder: whats for breakfast?

05:01 <mweltin> lol efc

05:02 <ChristmasCoder> you must not speak of breakfast in the past tense

05:02 <efc> makes me suspect I have no idea what I'm doing

05:02 <mweltin> that must be freak on crazy stuff efc

05:02 <ChristmasCoder> and you-don't-want-to-know

05:02 <ChristmasCoder> errr

05:02 <ChristmasCoder> you must now*

05:02 <mweltin> I found if I just ignore that and keep doing it sooner or later it works.

05:03 <mweltin> I'm often in a position where I have no idea what i'm doing.

05:03 <efc> I've been doing this stuff long enough I can tell garbage brain-dead code, and this looks flatlined to me..

05:04 <mweltin> ouch

05:05 <mweltin> one of my profs said you always start with something simple, anaylize the hell creating a huge mess in the proces,and you know your are done when its simple again.

05:05 <mweltin> "the hell out of it"*

05:06 <efc> Its just got tons of degenerate cases that have to be tested somehow, and I've only worked it out in 2D, so far

05:06 <efc> in 3d its going to cause a brain aneurysm

05:06 <mweltin> so I aways skip the anaysis part

05:07 <mweltin> trepanation is your only hope efc

05:08 <efc> unfortunately this isn't the part I actually wanted to work on... this is more the math part, and I'm more into algorithms

05:08 <mweltin> math is hard, i wish I was better at it.

05:09 <mweltin> I'm off

05:09 <mweltin> got a lot done in the last two days.

05:09 <mweltin> tsp will have a new search algorithm very soon.

05:09 <mweltin> efc what is your favorite search algorithm?

05:09 <efc> What kind?

05:10 <efc> With regard to TSP or in general?

05:10 <mweltin> tsp first, then general

05:11 <efc> I'm not a TSP specialist, but dynamic programming sounds interesting for it

05:11 <mweltin> I'm looking for the next app.

05:11 <efc> in general search, spatial subdivision algorithms are interesting to me, thats what I'm trying with this star locating stuff once I get past the math

05:11 <mweltin> progams that make programs?

05:12 <efc> dynamic programming is a method of tabulating known partial solutions and reusing them. Its a bad name.

05:12 <mweltin> oh yeah you mentioned that before.

05:12 <efc> I don't remember any of the approximation algorithms for TSP being all that exciting

05:12 <mweltin> a GA kind of does that but not in any directed way.

05:13 <efc> I like the subset-sum class of problems better in general

05:13 <mweltin> what are those?

05:14 <efc> Given a set of integers and a target integer T, does a subset exist that sums to T. (The decision form of the problem)

05:14 <efc> Its NP-complete, but somewhat simpler than TSP.

05:14 <mweltin> I'm on wikipedia right now.

05:15 <mweltin> funny I thought TSP was only np-hard.

05:15 <mweltin> knapsack problem, thats a classic.

05:16 <mweltin> seems a similar to TSP

05:17 <efc> If you solve TSP in polynomial time, you solve all those, and vice versa

05:18 <mweltin> gotcha

05:18 <mweltin> and so starts the endless stream of wikipedia links.

05:19 <efc> interesting section in the TSP article on some big instances of the problem that have been solved

05:19 <mweltin> yeah some huge ones were done.

05:21 <mweltin> I should have done cycles

05:21 <mweltin> I'm check Hamiltonian paths at the moment.

05:21 <mweltin> I'm going to bed

05:22 <mweltin> take care efc

05:22 <ChristmasCoder> cya

05:22 <mweltin> later ChristmasCoder

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05:22 <ChristmasCoder> I'll bbiab

05:22 <ChristmasCoder> somewhere in polynomial time

05:24 * quail is back

05:25 * quail had to feed the animals

05:34 <efc> Ciao

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05:53 <malcom_> olà

05:53 <malcom_> anyone uses seti@home?

05:55 <quail> I do but not duing summer

05:55 <quail> during

05:55 <malcom_> I've activated screensaver... I think it's a new version because now it's 3d

05:55 <malcom_> but it seems to be slow

05:55 <malcom_> (the animation)

05:55 <malcom_> is possible to return the old screensaver version?

05:55 <quail> sorry I use linux

05:56 <malcom_> ah k

05:56 <quail> your prob best to ask on the seti@home forums

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05:58 <PriitM_> vizdaaa

05:58 <PriitM_> wuntoss vizdaa

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06:02 <CoderForLife> back

06:02 <CoderForLife> dagnabbit - what happened?

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06:03 <ChristmasCoder> bah humbug

06:04 <ChristmasCoder> oh well

06:07 <ChristmasCoder> brb  beverage - I leave the house today in 1.5 hours to pick up my mom and take her to the hospital

06:11 <quail> while you getting a beverage, can you grab me a beer please :-P

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06:12 <ChristmasCoder> no beer here, quail =)

06:13 <quail> ok a bourbon on the rocks :-P

06:15 <ChristmasCoder> I'm not much on alcohol - saw my extended family destroyed by drinking while growing up - a bunch of mean drunks

06:16 <quail> oh, sorry to hear that

06:16 * ChristmasCoder pours a frosty Coca-Cola

06:18 * quail has a frosty bottle coopers pale ale :-)

06:20 <ChristmasCoder> to believe the advertising here, you all are supposed to only drink Fosters

06:21 <quail> ah that is cat urine

06:22 <ELGono> ;)

06:22 <ELGono> morning dudes

06:23 <quail> hey ELGono

06:24 <ChristmasCoder> hey ELGono

06:24 <ChristmasCoder> was just studying the local weather forecast

06:24 <hawmps> 'lo

06:25 <ChristmasCoder> hey hawmps

06:25 <quail> hey Jay

06:26 <ChristmasCoder> how were the roads this morning?

06:26 <hawmps> just wet..

06:26 <ChristmasCoder> ah good

06:26 <hawmps> getting all plowed out

06:27 <ChristmasCoder> that's change

06:27 <ChristmasCoder> er that'll change

06:27 <hawmps> storm is looking bigger got tomorrow and sunday...

06:27 <hawmps> er 'for' even

06:27 <ChristmasCoder> yeah - it's winding up

06:27 <ChristmasCoder> for a knockout punch

06:28 <quail> hawmps: 95,000 hectares of Kangaroo Island has been burnt

06:28 <ELGono> ouch

06:28 <ELGono> that sounds a lot

06:28 <quail> if this rain keeps up tonight the fire fighters will be happy

06:29 <quail> hawmps: ~250,000 acres

06:29 <ELGono> hehe whats an acre ;)

06:29 <hawmps> you'll be surprised how fast it will all grow back

06:30 <ELGono> well 0,38 hectar ;)

06:30 <quail> hawmps: yeah

06:30 <ELGono> north winds blowing in some snow here

06:31 <quail> ELGono: :-)

06:50 * ChristmasCoder searches unclaimed funds website for any forgotten treasures

06:51 <quail> :-)

06:51 <ChristmasCoder> unfortunately the site search engine isn't working

06:52 * quail leaves ChristmasCoder a australian 1 dollar :-)

06:53 <ChristmasCoder> thx

06:53 <ChristmasCoder> brb

06:57 <quail> k

07:03 <ELGono> apropos search engines ....

07:03 <Romulus> Title: TrackMeNot (at

07:03 <ELGono> since 0.4 it even makes sense with random queries

07:06 <ChristmasCoder> back for a few

07:06 * ChristmasCoder pours a sparkling Welch's grape soda

07:09 <ELGono> #coffee

07:10 <ELGono> damn it! bought 2 500 GB disks last week

07:10 <ELGono> and running into low diskspace now ;(

07:11 * hawmps grabs a fresh coffee..

07:12 <ELGono> just grinded to coffee

07:12 <ELGono> now waiting for heating up of maschine

07:14 <ChristmasCoder> 20 minutes until mom...

07:18 <ChristmasCoder> unclaimed funds search working now

07:18 <ChristmasCoder> ColdFusion sites never work right

07:20 <MTughan> ChristmasCoder: Shouldn't you be at w%#*?

07:21 <ChristmasCoder> looks like 2 - one for $16.78 and one for $29.95

07:21 <ChristmasCoder> are you my boss, MTughan?

07:21 <MTughan> No, just seems odd that you'd still be here.

07:21 <MTughan> I don't mind, although I have to leave for school in a few minutes.

07:21 <ChristmasCoder> but... but...  I live here

07:21 <MTughan> lol

07:22 <ChristmasCoder> I am picking my mom up from her house and taking her to the hospital this morning

07:22 <quail> ChristmasCoder: but how much is it going to cost you to claim that money

07:22 <ChristmasCoder> I leave in 10 minutes

07:22 <ChristmasCoder> print off the forms, add some "proof" and mail

07:23 <quail> ChristmasCoder: what is the unclaimed funds web site

07:23 <MTughan> Well, I'm gone. See you all this afternoon.

07:23 <ChristmasCoder> cya MT

07:23 <ChristmasCoder>

07:24 <ChristmasCoder> need to prove a 1994 relationship with the cable company, and a 2005 relationship with Intuit (TurboTax refund, I guess)

07:25 <ChristmasCoder> a Christmas vacation project

07:25 <quail> well I am not on there :-(

07:27 <ChristmasCoder> well - time to go

07:27 <ChristmasCoder> tty all later

07:27 <quail> bye Don

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08:24 <hawmps> big split.....

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09:13 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

09:13 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 15.4F / -9.2C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 23.56in / 797.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Colder. Partly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of snow showers in the morning. Patchy fog in the morning. No snow accumulation. Highs around 31. Light winds becoming northwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 12 to (1 more message)

09:13 <BadBarbarian> &more

09:13 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 18. Northeast winds around 15 mph.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 36. Northeast winds around 15 mph early in the morning becoming light.;

09:13 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

09:13 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 29°F / -1°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.66in / 1038hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 11mph / 18km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM CET; Scattered Clouds. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Clear. Low:26 F. / -3 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Clear. Low:22 F. / -5 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Clear. Low:22 F. / -5 C.;

09:14 <BadBarbarian> Morning ELG

09:19 <ELGono> Y0

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11:27 <BadBarbarian> &weather cusco

11:27 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at < acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

11:27 <BadBarbarian> &weather cusco peru

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12:31 <hawmps> re-hi

12:39 <hawmps> &weather Cusco, Peru

12:39 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at < acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

12:39 <hawmps> weird..

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12:42 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

12:42 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 38.8F / 3.8C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022.6hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of sprinkles or light rain. Areas of fog in the morning. Highs 40 to 45. Light wind.; Tonight - Rain. Lows around 35. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Showers likely. Highs around 45. Southwest wind 5 to (1 more message)

12:42 <Tank_Master> &more

12:43 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 15 mph.;

12:44 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

12:45 <Tank_Master> morning

12:50 <Lorvija> evening (:

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14:09 <freelarry> &weather 98366

14:09 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 43F / 6C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Cloudy with a chance of rain this morning...then rain likely this afternoon. Highs in the 40s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Rain. Lows near 40. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.; Saturday - Showers. Highs in the lower to mid 40s. Southwest wind 10 (1 more message)

14:09 <freelarry> &more

14:09 <Romulus> freelarry: to 20 mph.;

14:10 <BadBarbarian> hi larry

14:10 <Tank_Master> gee, soulds similler to mine...

14:11 <BadBarbarian> hes not to far from you tanl

14:11 <BadBarbarian> tank

14:11 <Tank_Master> I know

14:11 <Tank_Master> hence y it sounds simmiler

14:12 <Tank_Master> but we didnt get the freezing fog they predicted last night

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14:28 <Tank_Master> mw!

14:28 <PovAddict>

14:28 <Romulus> <> (at

14:28 <mweltin> Tank_Master, PovAddict ! how is everyone.

14:28 <mweltin> PovAddict, I think I figured out the work generation.  I had a few questions though.

14:29 <mweltin> Tasks as defined in the config.xml run from tmp_HOST correct?

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14:29 <PovAddict> yes

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14:29 <PovAddict> so you always use ../ to access the project root

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14:29 <Alubia> Hi

14:30 <Alubia> Can I ask you something?

14:30 <Alubia> It's about SETI@Home

14:30 <mweltin> good, and the create_work function in the C api, will update the opaque field?

14:30 <PovAddict> sure Alubia

14:30 <mweltin> go ahead Alubia

14:30 <Alubia> ?

14:30 * yoyo[RKN] sees life in this channel now

14:30 <mweltin> go ahead and ask your question.

14:30 <PovAddict> getting an answer depends on how much we know, but it won't hurt to ask :)

14:31 <mweltin> hi Yoyo.

14:31 <mweltin> thanks again for that code snippet, well file I guess.

14:31 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

14:31 <Alubia> I ' ve just created an account and joinned seti@home, but I dont know what is doing BOINC Manager at the moment. I see "Time remaining: 23h" , What is this manager downloading?

14:32 <mweltin> yoyo[RKN], you generate work with the  C api right?

14:32 <yoyo[RKN]> no

14:32 <mweltin> ok

14:32 <yoyo[RKN]> I use the command line tool

14:32 <PovAddict> Alubia: on the Tasks tab?

14:33 <mweltin> yoyo[RKN], I messed up using the command line tool.  Remember when I had all those bad workunits.

14:34 <mweltin> Moving to a database driven workunit (i.e. using the opaque field in the workunit table reference an id in a different table) helped out a lot.

14:35 <mweltin> with the command line too I had to call dir_hier_something as well.

14:35 <PovAddict> oh mweltin: the C api always had the opaque thing

14:35 <mweltin> now with the api my workgeneration is more stable.

14:35 <PovAddict> all the command line tool does is call the C api after all :)

14:35 <mweltin> PovAddict, thanks.

14:35 <mweltin> haha that makes sense.

14:36 <yoyo[RKN]> command line tools are simple to use mweltin

14:36 <yoyo[RKN]> only 2 lines:

14:36 <mweltin> so who has a fast linux box and wants to try out the new app.

14:36 <yoyo[RKN]>   cp $dir_dnet/$wu `bin/dir_hier_path $wu`

14:36 <yoyo[RKN]>   bin/create_work -appname crunch -wu_name ${wu0}_${i} -wu_template templates/crunch_wu -result_template templates/crunch_result $wu

14:36 <yoyo[RKN]>   cp $dir_dnet/$wu `bin/dir_hier_path $wu`

14:36 <yoyo[RKN]>   bin/create_work -appname crunch -wu_name ${wu0}_${i} -wu_template templates/crunch_wu -result_template templates/crunch_result $wu

14:36 <PovAddict> Alubia: if you're on the Tasks tab, and you see a row that says "Running", then it already finished downloading, it's processing the workunit

14:36 <mweltin> yoyo[RKN], and some how I managed to mess it up.

14:37 <mweltin> I may have made this ga too big.

14:37 <Tank_Master> Alubia: that shold be the estimated time remaining to compleat that work unit

14:37 <PovAddict> Alubia: 23 hours seems a bit high for SETI; what CPU do you have?

14:37 <Alubia> Is boinc spable?

14:37 <mweltin> it's been running for 9 hours now.

14:37 <Alubia> IT's a good pc

14:37 <Alubia> stable*

14:37 <Tank_Master> yes, it is

14:37 <mweltin> yes boinc is stable

14:37 <PovAddict> what BOINC version do you have?

14:37 <Tank_Master> BOINC has been around for several years now

14:37 <mweltin> good question PovAddict

14:38 <Alubia> the lastest one i think

14:38 <mweltin> 5.10 very stable

14:38 <PovAddict> give the version *number*

14:38 <Tank_Master> you just downloded it, correct?

14:38 <PovAddict> if you really have the latest (as in, the development version released 5 minutes ago), then it's not stable :P

14:38 <Alubia> 5.10.28

14:39 <Tank_Master> it should give the version number in hte lower rt hand corner of the manager window

14:39 <mweltin> good

14:39 <Tank_Master> good

14:39 <mweltin> what OS?

14:39 <Tank_Master> thats stable enough

14:39 <Alubia> Windows

14:39 <Alubia> I 've joinned seti@home

14:39 <PovAddict> yeah that's the latest recommended

14:39 <Alubia> aplication : seti home enhanced

14:39 <Alubia> time remaning 22h 23min

14:39 <ChristianB> Hi boys

14:40 <mweltin> correct that the ga has been running for 11 hrs and 45 min.

14:40 <mweltin> ChristianB hi

14:40 <Alubia> GA?

14:40 <Tank_Master> sometimes its esitments are off when you first start running a project

14:40 <PovAddict> mweltin: wow - do you have progress reporting yet?

14:40 <mweltin> Alubia, I run the tsp project, and I'm trying to release a genetic algorithm for it.

14:40 <Alubia> OK

14:41 <mweltin> tsp app does but the ga doens't

14:41 <Alubia> Sorry, Im a noob

14:41 <PovAddict> mweltin: I may try it, do I just compile last head? or is that version from the branch?

14:41 <mweltin> I got that from the process list.

14:41 <mweltin> I'm a noob too.

14:41 <Tank_Master> mw is a tool

14:41 <Tank_Master> ;)

14:41 <Alubia> So, seti@home works when I'm off

14:41 <PovAddict> shush mweltin, noobs can't be project owners

14:41 <Alubia> is it?

14:41 <mweltin> let me do a merge

14:41 <mweltin> LOL

14:41 <PovAddict> Alubia: depends on your settings... I make it work all the time :)

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14:42 <Alubia> How can I do that?

14:42 <PovAddict>

14:42 <Romulus> <> (at

14:42 <PovAddict> what does it say under "Suspend work while computer is in use"?

14:42 <Alubia> I think i have it working all the time now

14:43 <ChristianB> Alubia: What type of installation did you have selected?

14:43 <Alubia> What do you mean?

14:43 <Alubia> SETI@Home?

14:43 <PovAddict> probably single user...

14:43 <PovAddict> it's marked as default, and says "recommended", so it's probably what a new user would pick :)

14:43 <ChristianB> single user, shared or service?

14:43 <Alubia> Yesss!

14:43 <Alubia> this one "recommended"

14:43 <ChristianB> ok

14:43 <Alubia> Did I do it bad? :(

14:43 <PovAddict> nope

14:44 <Alubia> oki

14:44 <ChristianB> that means BOINC and Seti@home just runs if the manager is running. You have to make sure you are logged into the computer to get Seti@home to work

14:44 <Alubia> So , am I installing the project right now?

14:44 <Alubia> Ah ok

14:44 <PovAddict> Alubia: no, seems it's already happily running

14:45 <Alubia> but I see Time Remaining?

14:45 <Alubia> Time remaining for what?

14:45 <Tank_Master> to compleat the task

14:45 <Alubia> PovAddict te importa que hablemos en espaol ?XD

14:45 <ChristianB> Time remaining to finish the actual workunit

14:45 <PovAddict> Alubia: to finish that task; but it will get more before it finishes, to keep your computer busy

14:46 <PovAddict> hmm I wonder how to make this stupid IRC client stop marking "SETI@Home" as an email address :-\

14:46 <ChristianB> what client do you use? My konveration doesn't mark seti@home

14:46 <PovAddict> pidgin :<

14:46 <Alubia> uhm

14:47 <Alubia> just english here PovAddict ?o se puede espaol

14:47 <mweltin> PovAddict, merging is taking a while.  I need to figure out the right way to do it.

14:47 <mweltin> i always end up with these .merge-left -right.r# numbered files.

14:47 <PovAddict> Alubia: well I know spanish but if you speak spanish you won't get help from anyone else

14:48 <mweltin> i assume I shouldn't if I do it correctly.

14:48 <PovAddict> mweltin: ah probably a conflict

14:48 <PovAddict> mweltin: guess what freenode has... #svn :)

14:48 <mweltin> yes that what generates it

14:48 <mweltin> of course it does.

14:48 <mweltin> I rtfm first then go there.

14:48 <Alubia> PovAddict entonces , hago doble click sobre el grafico que pone en boinc y aparece una pantalla que pone setiathome_enhanced version 5.27

14:49 <Alubia> eso esta bien?

14:49 <PovAddict> Alubia: tienes el Manager en español? (asi sé si te dice Running o Ejecutando)

14:49 <Alubia> en ingles

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14:50 <Alubia> pone Running

14:50 <Alubia> y Graphics avaliable

14:51 <PovAddict> oops, yo estaba en advanced view... :P

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14:51 <PovAddict> ahora si...

14:51 <PovAddict> elapsed time esta subiendo, no?

14:51 <Alubia> Claro

14:51 <Alubia> 26min

14:53 <PovAddict> entonces ya esta funcionando todo bien... ya descargo los archivos que necesitaba y ahora esta procesando la tarea

14:53 <Alubia> y eso de credits?

14:53 <PovAddict> o sea, siendo seti, procesando la señal de radio :)

14:54 <PovAddict> cuando completas las tareas y se envian de vuelta, te da credits

14:54 <Alubia> y para que sirven?

14:54 <Alubia> va x el 10%

14:55 <Alubia> e puesto 100% uso de cpu y 50GB ahora que me voy ya

14:55 <PovAddict> no los puedes "usar" para nada, sirven nada mas para competir y cosas asi :)

14:55 <PovAddict> yo tengo 211.056,84 credits, despues de 2 o 3 años de usar BOINC... hay gente con millones, porque tienen muchas computadoras, ni te molestes en competir contra ellos! :D

14:58 <PovAddict> did the spanish kill the room? where did everybody go? :|

14:59 <mweltin> I'm here

15:03 <ChristianB> I just thought about using the babblefish

15:04 <ChristianB> I'm currently struggling with apache, sudo, chgrp, chmod and some other fancy permission stuff on my box

15:04 <PovAddict> I'm currently seeing how crappy and inconsistent the boinc gui rpc protocol is

15:05 <ChristianB> adding just one site to my apache server is more work than I expected

15:05 <PovAddict> site? you mean a virtual host?

15:05 <mweltin> I get frustrated sometimes with the boinc docs, but if you consider the size of the project they are rather good.

15:05 <ChristianB> no I'm not that stupid

15:06 <PovAddict> <active_task_state>9</active_task_state> means process is suspended, but you don't really know why

15:06 <ChristianB> I just try to organize my test installations of several CMS into different apache config files

15:07 <PovAddict> if it's suspended because the user clicked suspend on the task, it has a <suspended_via_gui/>, which is the only state that isnt specified numerically

15:07 <PovAddict> and <project_suspended_via_gui/> if the project was suspended

15:08 <PovAddict> if you suspend boinc completely, there is no flag saying so at all, you need to use a different RPC to notice

15:08 <PovAddict> argh!

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15:10 <mweltin> big Z!

15:10 <zombie67> hi mweltin

15:11 <ChristianB> yeah I got it

15:11 <zombie67> my PII/Linux finally returned a TSP task:

15:11 <Romulus> <> (at

15:11 <zombie67> 7.4 hours

15:11 <zombie67> ;)

15:13 <zombie67> on the up side, claimed 11.6, granted 16.  :)

15:16 <ChristianB> PovAddict: Have your read my proposals on boinc_dev?

15:16 <mweltin> the task took 7.4 hours?

15:17 <mweltin> on a P2?

15:17 <mweltin> mercy that seems bad

15:17 <Tank_Master> lol

15:18 * Tank_Master thingks mw dosent realize how crappy P2s really are

15:18 <mweltin> can't be that bad

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15:20 <mweltin> I really need to get the gnu build tools working.

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15:20 <Tank_Master> 256k 1/2 speed cache... yeah, they werent good

15:20 <mweltin> this constant messing with Make files suckes.

15:21 <Tank_Master> takes 3-4h on a P3 1GHz for a tsp WU

15:21 <mweltin> maybe I should rething the size of my ga WU's

15:21 <mweltin> 12hrs on a 1.3GHz box and not done.

15:22 <Tank_Master> most projects wouldnt be

15:22 <Tank_Master> also, the longer the UW, the less load on your network

15:22 <PovAddict> just keep it under 24h, and with checkpoints :)

15:23 <mweltin> checkpoints I have, did do the status bar yet.

15:23 * PovAddict thinks there is a 'not' missing there

15:23 <mweltin> yes

15:23 <Tank_Master> lol

15:23 <mweltin> status I not did yes.

15:24 <zombie67> are you yoda now?

15:25 <mweltin> yoda not far he is.

15:25 <mweltin> ok PovAddict the trunk is updated.

15:25 <mweltin> the Makefiles are a mess, sorry.

15:26 <mweltin> revision 54

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15:49 <mweltin> PovAddict, my process list has three ga's running, 2 with 0 time.  Are those the threads boinc makes?

15:49 <mweltin> their process id's are sequential.

15:49 <PovAddict> weird

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15:52 <tinloaf> hi guys. how can i retrieve my account key? no, i can not read it from some xml-file, and the mail which is sent to me is not really helpful as it only contains a link...

15:52 <PovAddict> tinloaf: have you set a password on your account?

15:52 <tinloaf> PovAddict: of course i have - but this password is not my account key, is it?

15:53 <PovAddict> then you *don't need* an account key

15:53 <PovAddict> you use the email+password to attach

15:53 <tinloaf> PovAddict: I'm using the BOINCManager 4.7x-GUI

15:53 <PovAddict> that's like two years old

15:53 <tinloaf> this wants a project URL and a account key

15:53 <tinloaf> well, that's what is in gentoo's portage

15:54 <PovAddict> yeah most distros have ancient boinc packages; compile your own from the official source or use the official binaries

15:56 <tinloaf> so there is like no chance to retrieve the account key?

15:57 <PovAddict> it's not on the email when you ask for it?

15:57 <PovAddict> yes, there is a way to get the key from the email + password (that's what happens internally when you attach with email+pw) but it's quite hard to do manually

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15:59 <tinloaf> seeing the keys i guess it's some md5 algorithm.. is there documentation on it?

16:00 <PovAddict> the keys are md5 hashes of random data...

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16:01 <PovAddict> to get your key, go to http://projecturl/lookup_account.php?email_addr=your@email&passwd_hash=hash where 'hash' is md5(password+email)

16:01 <mweltin> How do you remember all this stuff PovAddict?

16:02 <PovAddict> mweltin: I just remember where information is, and I have my browser handy...

16:02 <Romulus> <> (at

16:05 <tinloaf> PovAddict: thanks, that worked ;-)

16:05 <PovAddict> :)

16:05 <mweltin> whoes the man?

16:06 <mweltin> I'm going to work a little on the tsp eye candy and then I'm going to try to add the gnu build system.

16:10 * xcamel_ is back.

16:11 <mweltin> X !

16:11 <mweltin> glad you are back

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16:13 <mweltin> PovAddict, you ever get that tsp source?

16:13 <mweltin> sorry about the Makefile mess again.  That should work itself out soon.

16:13 <xcamel_> re-hi

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16:22 <xcamel> &weather 12074

16:22 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 32.2F / 0.1C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of flurries this evening... then partly cloudy after midnight. Cooler with lows around 14. Northwest winds around 15 mph...decreasing to 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Saturday - Partly sunny in the (2 more messages)

16:22 <xcamel> &more

16:22 <Romulus> xcamel: morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Much colder with highs in the mid 20s. Northwest winds around 5 mph...becoming northeast in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - Cloudy. Snow after midnight. Snow accumulation around an inch. Lows around 17. Near steady temperature around 19. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on (1 more message)

16:22 <xcamel> &more

16:22 <Romulus> xcamel: December 17, 2007;

16:22 <xcamel> could be a foot ++

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16:47 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

16:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 28.2F / -2.1C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 23.62in / 799.8hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 8.7mph / 14.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of snow showers late in the morning. Patchy fog late in the morning. No new snow accumulation. Highs around 31. Light winds becoming northwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - (1 more message)

16:47 <BadBarbarian> &more

16:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Mostly clear. Lows 12 to 18. Northeast winds around 15 mph.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 36. Northeast winds around 15 mph early in the morning becoming light.;

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17:04 <zombie67> bbl

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17:32 <mweltin> who is good at sql?

17:33 <PovAddict> #mysql?

17:33 <mweltin> yeah

17:33 <mweltin> I have a query that works fine, but when I join a second table it returns an empty set and I'm not sure why

17:34 <mweltin>

17:34 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

17:35 <mweltin> first one works as expected but the second one returns an empty set.

17:38 <mweltin> it's only a problem because the user has a team id of 0.

17:38 <mweltin> but I don't see why that is a problem.

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17:41 <mweltin> I went to #mysql and asked my question.

17:41 <mweltin> everyone started to leave the room

17:41 <xcamel> lol

17:42 <Boulevardie> mweltin: what was your question?

17:43 <mweltin>

17:43 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

17:44 <mweltin> first one works as expected but the second one returns an empty set.

17:44 <mweltin> it's only a problem because the user has a team id of 0.

17:44 <mweltin> and 0 is not in the team table

17:44 <PovAddict> and teamid != 0?

17:45 <mweltin> but I wouldn't expect an empty set from the second query, just an empty team name

17:45 <mweltin> no it does

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17:48 <CoderForLife> dagnabbit again

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17:48 <mweltin> turned out to be left joins were needed.

17:48 <CoderForLife> keep getting disconnected today

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17:52 <xcamel> blame it on a storm?

17:53 <xcamel> damn.. NRM model looks like 12-18" right here... good thing I got the important toys fixed today

17:53 <Tank_Master>

17:53 <Romulus> <> (at

17:54 <xcamel> a free whopper is like a "free" case of the crabs...

17:54 <mweltin> hey could someone check hte tsp home page

17:54 <mweltin> its not coming up for me.

17:55 <mweltin>

17:55 <PovAddict> yeah doesnt work

17:55 <mweltin> wtf

17:55 <PovAddict> other pages load though

17:55 <PovAddict> you broke it

17:56 <PovAddict> there was a forum post 49 minutes ago reporting it, so it has been broken for that long

17:56 <mweltin> I wonder what I did

17:56 <mweltin> looks fine

17:57 <ChristmasCoder> anybody else having IRC connection problems?

17:57 <PovAddict> nope...

17:58 <PovAddict> but maybe some freenode server has problems and you're having the luck to be connecting to it

17:58 <ChristmasCoder> um... luck?

17:58 <PovAddict> of the 'bad' kind

17:58 <PovAddict> :)

17:59 <mweltin> bombing out on the require_once pages

17:59 <wdsmia_> re-hi

17:59 * Tank_Master slaps wdsmia_ around a bit with a large trout

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18:00 <mweltin> I screwed up the news page

18:00 <mweltin> :q

18:00 <Tank_Master> doh

18:00 * wdsmia op's himself and kicks Tank_Master butt up around his ears

18:00 <mweltin> ok all better.

18:00 <ChristmasCoder> lucknot

18:01 <ChristmasCoder> or locknut

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18:01 <Sfan00> Good evening

18:01 <Tank_Master> evening

18:01 <ChristmasCoder> evening Sfan00

18:01 <Sfan00> Does anyone have a pointer to a text-only boot from CD Boinc?

18:02 <Sfan00> I have a spare machine that I want to use...

18:02 <PovAddict> are you building your own liveCD?

18:02 <Tank_Master> skunkworks is developing a new supersonic plane plane for commercial use

18:02 <Tank_Master>

18:02 <Sfan00> But don't need anything more complex then a text-mode

18:02 <Romulus> <> (at

18:02 <Sfan00> PoVAddict: In a sense yes

18:03 <Sfan00> but I don't need grpahics

18:03 <PovAddict> I have no idea about that :)

18:03 <Sfan00> All I need is text mode

18:03 <Tank_Master> la-paris in 4.5-5h

18:03 <Sfan00> Tnak_Master: what about the emissions?

18:03 <PovAddict> boinc-specific info: you start the client first, with the --daemon switch so that it doesn't use up a console, and then you use boinc_cmd to control it

18:03 <Tank_Master> less than a standard jet

18:04 <Sfan00> I am used to the W32 version

18:04 <Sfan00> not the CLI one

18:05 <Tank_Master> its got sonic bomm supression technoliges on it, which will signifagly reduse noise when crossing the sonic barrier

18:06 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master with a sonic boom

18:06 * Tank_Master slams wdsmia with a boom stick

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18:09 <efc> I get off earlier on Fri..

18:09 <Tank_Master> sweet

18:17 <xcamel> I took of a little early today too..

18:17 <xcamel> got the polaris all tuned up and ready to groom trails

18:17 <Tank_Master> :)

18:17 <xcamel> when I had it serviced they never changed the plugs...

18:17 <xcamel> not very bright

18:19 <mweltin> you know what is funny, I call myself a web developer and I'm really not that good at it.

18:19 <Tank_Master> y fix whats not broke?

18:19 <mweltin> div's and ajax and all this new stuff I coudn't care less about.

18:20 <Tank_Master> hehe

18:22 <xcamel> like this:

18:22 <xcamel>

18:22 <Romulus> <> (at

18:24 <wdsmia> what, no gun rack

18:25 <Tank_Master> lol

18:27 <xcamel> no need - I just run them down...

18:27 <Tank_Master> :P

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18:29 <ChristmasCoder> wow - that looks like fun xcamel

18:29 <xcamel> it'll go anywhere in the snow

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18:30 <xcamel> that's what I pull the groomer with..

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18:40 <PovAddict> wow big thing

18:42 <xcamel> 800 CC twin cyl.

18:42 <ChristmasCoder> yowsa

18:43 <ChristmasCoder> very nice

18:50 <xcamel> long as it's running right....

18:51 <mweltin> ok lunch

18:51 <mweltin> bbl

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18:51 <Tank_Master> um, ok

19:02 <Tank_Master>

19:02 <Romulus> Title: World's Most Effective Speed Bump (at

19:02 <Tank_Master> heres a great diy idea

19:03 <BadBarbarian> heres the snow buggy i use to have at home in idaho

19:03 <BadBarbarian>

19:03 <Romulus> <> (at

19:05 <xcamel> now that was funny.

19:05 <BadBarbarian> it was

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19:13 <Tank_Master> boincstats is now down...

19:13 <Tank_Master> hey crunch3r!

19:13 <crunch3r> ^^ who cares :P

19:13 <Tank_Master> lol

19:13 <ChristmasCoder> cute BB

19:13 <crunch3r> Hi Keith !

19:13 <crunch3r> :P

19:14 <crunch3r> is markus here ?

19:14 <PovAddict> &seen mweltin

19:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 22 minutes and 51 seconds ago: <mweltin> bbl

19:14 <Tank_Master> no

19:14 <crunch3r> hmmm i need a test wu for the GA app

19:14 <Tank_Master>

19:14 <Romulus> Title: World's Most Effective Speed Bump (at

19:15 <Tank_Master> he aint gonna be speeding no more!

19:16 <crunch3r> ^^ ya really wanna know what speding is ?

19:16 <crunch3r> +e

19:16 <xcamel> A new one...

19:16 <xcamel>

19:16 <Romulus> Title: Christmas Light & Sound (at

19:16 <crunch3r> <--- that's speeding :P

19:16 <Romulus> <> (at

19:17 <PovAddict> 4.8ghz overclock?

19:17 <PovAddict> wait

19:17 <PovAddict> also quad?!

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19:18 <crunch3r> not quad --- V8

19:18 <Tank_Master> no, thats the skulltrail... dual quads @ 4.8...

19:18 <crunch3r> :P

19:18 <crunch3r> ^^ it is ...

19:18 <PovAddict> omg

19:18 <Tank_Master> that would be sweet on 64bit ABC

19:18 <crunch3r> ^^no ... it'll be on seti first

19:18 <Tank_Master> wb z

19:19 <crunch3r> i know for sure :P

19:19 <Tank_Master> ytf would you waste it there?

19:19 <zombie67> yo

19:19 <crunch3r> no but i know it'll be there soon :P

19:19 <zombie67> crunch3r, did you see the APS admin ask us to not use any optimized apps?

19:19 <crunch3r> yes i did see that

19:20 <PovAddict> invalid results?

19:20 <zombie67> something about validation problems

19:20 <Tank_Master> or did the zero-RAC-crew get tom him?

19:20 <crunch3r> probably he's referinf to the OSX optimized one... i allready send James a mail in regard to that ;)

19:20 <Tank_Master> to*

19:20 <zombie67> does that mean you will be working on new versions?

19:20 <zombie67> cool

19:20 <zombie67> no, no issues about the credits

19:21 <zombie67> issue with functionality

19:21 <crunch3r> ^^ well actually it'll be no "new"  version ... only a version tag change as far as i know ...

19:21 <xcamel> 'lo crunch3r - LTNS...

19:22 <crunch3r> LTNS <--- ???

19:22 <crunch3r> Long time no see ?

19:22 <zombie67> long time no see

19:22 <xcamel> long-time-no-see

19:22 <zombie67> jinx

19:22 <crunch3r> hehe ... lol

19:22 <zombie67> you both owe me a cke

19:22 <zombie67> coke

19:22 <xcamel> fat chance

19:22 <Tank_Master> no, just camle

19:22 <crunch3r> ^^ well i'm having a beer now :P

19:22 <crunch3r> so no coke here :P

19:22 <Tank_Master> cruncher was a sec ahead of you, Z

19:23 <zombie67> I called jinx

19:23 <crunch3r> it's allready 1.25 am here in germany

19:23 <xcamel> I call op and boot...

19:23 <Tank_Master> dosent count if its not at the same time

19:23 <Tank_Master> lol

19:23 <zombie67> so crunch3r, does that mean you will need to update something with the aps app?

19:23 <xcamel> <evil grin>

19:24 <crunch3r> @zombie67 ...well we need to see what James comes up with till christmas ... (sent him my email yesterday ...)

19:24 <zombie67> ah

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19:24 <PovAddict> speaking about...

19:24 <zombie67> hi mweltin

19:24 <zombie67> ah, well no work right now anyway

19:25 <crunch3r> ahhh... Mr. Markus Weltin :)

19:25 <mweltin> hey guys

19:25 <mweltin> what did I miss?

19:25 <mweltin> out of work again?

19:25 <crunch3r> ^^ hi there

19:25 <BadBarbarian> hi chunch3r

19:25 <crunch3r> missed much :P

19:26 <PovAddict> lies

19:26 <crunch3r> hi BB :P

19:26 <mweltin> man who is sucking up all these results

19:26 <PovAddict> you can find out...

19:26 <crunch3r> ^^ MArkus did you get my PMs ?

19:26 <mweltin> yes

19:26 <crunch3r> the last one too ?

19:26 <zombie67> mweltin, I was talking about aps@home being out of work

19:26 <crunch3r> i need a test WU ....

19:26 <mweltin> I have not had time to download the ms 2005 stuff.

19:27 <Tank_Master> mw!

19:27 <mweltin> Tank_Master!

19:27 <Tank_Master> sup?

19:27 <mweltin> crunch3r, for the ga?

19:27 <crunch3r> sure, for the GA application

19:27 <crunch3r> ga_in

19:27 <crunch3r> ;)

19:28 <Tank_Master> the Gaa! app

19:28 <xcamel> bbiab - need coffee...

19:28 <mweltin> ok I'm pm one over right away.

19:28 <Tank_Master> coffie?

19:28 <Tank_Master> this late at night?

19:28 <crunch3r> well i tried renaming a TSP test WU to a GA_IN but that one was done in about  15 min ....

19:29 <mweltin> that worked?

19:29 <PovAddict> mweltin: SELECT userid, COUNT(*) AS total FROM result WHERE server_state=4 GROUP BY userid ORDER BY total DESC LIMIT 30;

19:29 <crunch3r> yes...

19:30 <mweltin> what did you get for output?

19:30 <crunch3r> whait a second ...

19:30 <zombie67> mmmm sake

19:30 <crunch3r> GA_IN

19:30 <crunch3r> <wu>

19:30 <crunch3r> <prefix>0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,40,43,37</prefix>

19:30 <crunch3r> <suffix>34,35,36,38,39,41,42,44,45,46,47</suffix>

19:30 <crunch3r> </wu>

19:30 <PovAddict>

19:31 <mweltin> Dr. Dan T. Morris @ SETI.USA

19:31 <PovAddict> mweltin: how many does he has?

19:31 <zombie67> will there be a mac GA app?

19:31 <crunch3r> GA_OUT

19:31 <crunch3r> <ga_out>

19:31 <crunch3r> <bestPath>44,34,3,25,9,23,31,38,41,1,28,4,47,33,40,15,39,21,2,22,13,24,12,20,46,10,19,11,32,30,37,7,0,8,14,45,43,17,6,35,27,5,18,36,26,16,42,29</bestPath>

19:31 <crunch3r> <distance>11493</distance>

19:31 <crunch3r> </ga_out>

19:31 <mweltin> 933

19:31 <PovAddict> mweltin: holy crapz0r - what's his userid?

19:31 <mweltin> sorry

19:32 <mweltin> that is his id he has 372

19:32 <mweltin> Al Dente is next with 162

19:32 <PovAddict> userid 933 = Carbonne from L'Alliance Francophone

19:32 <crunch3r> ga_state is to lage to post here ...

19:32 <PovAddict> weird he has no credits, and apparently only one computer with 10 results

19:33 <PovAddict> you sure you didn't get them mixed up again?

19:34 <mweltin> SELECT userid, , COUNT(*) AS total FROM result join user on result.userid =  WHERE server_state=4 GROUP BY userid ORDER BY total DESC LIMIT 30;

19:34 <mweltin> 933 | Dr. Dan T. Morris @ SETI.USA  |   372

19:34 <crunch3r> wtf,,, what's wrong with "our" DR dan ?

19:34 <PovAddict> right, it was MY typo

19:35 <mweltin>   1013 | KWSN - Housekeeper of Camelot |    40

19:35 <PovAddict> crunch3r: nothing wrong, just he's crunching LOTS... he has 2400 rac

19:35 <Tank_Master> thats not much

19:35 <Tank_Master> thats peanuts for him

19:35 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: and 372 workunits in queue

19:35 <zombie67> 10 days before I take back the #1 spot

19:35 <mweltin> no but its the only other name I recognize.

19:35 <Tank_Master> DrDan can do around 40k

19:35 <crunch3r> yeah i know ...Team SETI.USA will keepp the #1 spot a TSP...

19:35 <zombie67> 40k/day?

19:35 <Tank_Master> ya

19:36 <zombie67> and he is 100% TSP?

19:36 <Tank_Master> probably not

19:36 <zombie67> then no you wont

19:36 <zombie67> ;)

19:36 <Tank_Master> lol

19:36 <mweltin> crunch3r, you may want to change the LOOP_SIZE define.

19:36 <zombie67> will there be a mac GA app?

19:36 <mweltin> 1000000 is a little big.

19:36 <mweltin> ask MTughan

19:36 <zombie67> okay

19:36 <crunch3r> ^^ 40k is not an issue single core amd athlon XP @2.1GHz would get a 650/RAC ad day if supplied with wus constantly

19:37 <mweltin> I just updated the work unit generator.

19:37 <crunch3r> @mweltin... so the current source is not in svn trunk ?

19:37 <mweltin> it runs every half hour.

19:37 <zombie67> will the BF work continue in parallel with the GA?

19:37 <mweltin> no its there.

19:38 <mweltin> I made a mweltin branch for ga dev.  I'm trying to keep the trunk clean.

19:38 <mweltin> zombie67, yes

19:38 <zombie67> sweet

19:38 <mweltin> they will run in parallel. But you will be able to opt out of one if you want.

19:38 <zombie67> that way I can still crunch if MT is delayed

19:38 <mweltin> its a user pref now.

19:39 <crunch3r> so the current ga applications in in the mweltin branch ?

19:39 <mweltin> crunch3r, I updated the trunk today.

19:39 <mweltin> everything should be in trunk, but hte Makefiles are a mess.

19:39 <zombie67> I am eating some Portuguese cheese for the first time.  Very tasty!

19:40 <mweltin> I need to get the gnu build tools working.

19:40 <crunch3r> hmmm ... that sucks i synced around 2 pm CEST...

19:40 <mweltin> I'm +11 GMT or something close to that.

19:40 <mweltin> did the update around 10am SST

19:41 <zombie67> TM:  seti.usa is currently #3 (Team MacNN is #2).

19:41 <crunch3r> will grap a copy of the mweltin branch tomorrow... an compile/fix it .... send you the updated sources tomorrow

19:41 <Tank_Master> whos #1?

19:41 <mweltin> the ga I have running for a test is at 16 hours.

19:41 <zombie67> Unidad de Servicios Informaticos

19:41 <crunch3r> team SETI.USA is #1

19:41 <PovAddict> zombie67: what project?

19:41 <zombie67> TSP

19:41 <zombie67> not on TSP

19:42 <crunch3r> seti usa holds at least 8 #1 spots ;)

19:42 <mweltin> Dr Dan said he wasn't going to hit tsp hard until after christmas.

19:42 <Tank_Master> hehe

19:42 <PovAddict> crunch3r: you should get working on einstein, you're kinda low there

19:42 <crunch3r> ^^ why ?

19:42 <zombie67> because your low there.

19:42 <crunch3r> 546k is low ?

19:42 <Tank_Master> for MAC, yes

19:43 <PovAddict> I meant you = seti.usa

19:43 <zombie67> seti.usa is lowest on WCG

19:43 <PovAddict> seti.usa is on thirty-something rank on einstein

19:43 <mweltin> hwo do you get div's to line up side by side?

19:43 <PovAddict> mweltin: voodoo

19:43 <crunch3r> atm i was working on getting my  ABC@Home at 500K .. that goal was achieved as of today ;P

19:43 <ChristmasCoder> cya folks again soon

19:43 <PovAddict> bye XmasCoder

19:43 <zombie67> congrats

19:44 * ChristmasCoder waves

19:44 <crunch3r> next will be QMC@Home to get towards 500K

19:44 <PovAddict> mweltin: it depends on... lots of things... like where the divs are... what page are you tweaking?

19:44 <mweltin> lol

19:44 <zombie67> is boincstats down?

19:44 <mweltin> ok I'll google it

19:44 <PovAddict> zombie67: yes

19:44 <PovAddict> mweltin: try making both divs have style="float:left"

19:44 <crunch3r> @mweltin ... regarding the "inline" stuff you posted.... was that on vs or using gcc ?

19:45 <crunch3r> ^^ mersenneXXX.XXX....

19:45 <Soul_keeper> is boincstats down ?

19:45 <crunch3r> ^^ btw... the TSP app got some pointer an aliasing issues in the code ....

19:46 <PovAddict> mmm cheese

19:46 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: yes

19:46 <Soul_keeper> k

19:47 <PovAddict> I'm working on a decent gui rpc protocol... the current one is such a hack...

19:47 <mweltin> cool

19:47 <PovAddict> reminds me of the Microsoft OOXML format: dump all internal structures into XML and call it done

19:47 <mweltin> I'm not sure what aliasing is

19:47 <mweltin> yeah it was an easy way to go.

19:48 <zombie67> seti.usa is 97th on WCG

19:48 <PovAddict> for an internal format, yes... but if you want any kind of i14y

19:49 <crunch3r> aliasing is "pointer" issues's not clean code...

19:49 <Soul_keeper>

19:49 <Romulus> <> (at

19:49 * PovAddict notes clean code is becoming rare

19:49 <crunch3r> it's like a "long" on 64 bit linux is not like a "long" on windows 64 .... etc ...

19:49 <mweltin> yeah I kind of rush though it.  If it works I move on.

19:50 <PovAddict> ohh

19:50 <PovAddict> pointer<->integer conversions?

19:50 <PovAddict> assumptions of pointer length?

19:50 <mweltin> I have sooooo much other stuff I want to do with tsp.

19:51 <crunch3r> <--- a good place to start

19:51 <Romulus> <> (at

19:51 <zombie67> 95.7k @ NQ

19:51 <crunch3r> however ...we'll be working on GA on this weeksend ....

19:52 <mweltin> thank you crunch3r

19:52 <mweltin> I'm grateful for your help.

19:53 <crunch3r> ^^ yeah, i only need to wait for Francois... he's still working on skulltrail but today we had a chat and tomorrow we bot will have aa look at the source .

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19:53 <crunch3r> basically there are 3 issues in the TSP app...

19:53 <crunch3r> 1. allignment issues

19:54 <crunch3r> 2. pointer issues

19:54 <mweltin> and

19:54 <crunch3r> 3. portability issues ...

19:55 <crunch3r> all depends on how much IO is required to run the TSP app...

19:55 <mweltin> well my ego can take a good beating so dont be shy with the critisim.  In the end it will only make me a better coder.

19:55 <crunch3r> ^^ you're sure :)

19:55 <mweltin> I'm sure.

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19:56 <mweltin> when i build in win I get a warning that FILE is depricated.

19:56 <mweltin> but boinc uses it so there is no real way around that.

19:56 <PovAddict> FILE deprecated? weird... maybe because you should use iostreams instead? what compiler, gcc or msvc?

19:57 <crunch3r> ^^ well to figure out the first bottlenecks ..well you don't need to be a programmer... Hell no ... since i'm not a programmer too..

19:57 <mweltin> and I'm almost psoitive I don't need dirent.  I was using that for the work generator.

19:57 <mweltin> msvc

19:57 <mweltin> gcc takes it no problem

19:57 <crunch3r> @POV --> FILE deprecated? weird... maybe because you should use iostreams instead? what compiler, gcc or msvc? ??????????????????????????????

19:57 <mweltin> I was going to run stuff through gprof ( a profiler) but I had a hard time with the results.

19:58 <crunch3r> ^^ don't use that ...

19:58 <mweltin> ok

19:58 <mweltin> I'm poor so I don't have a lot of profiler options beyond gprof.

19:59 <crunch3r> get yourself a copy of the intel compiler and use idb for debugging... it's free for on comcercial use and way better than gdb

19:59 <mweltin> really, when I worked at intel that was not the case.

19:59 <mweltin> this is from the intel guys in New Hampshier?

20:00 <mweltin> I worked on two of their chip design tools.

20:00 <mweltin> I forget the names.

20:01 <crunch3r> @mweltin.... i used the intel compiler adn the intel debugger myself on linux to debugg some code for the SETI@Home optimzed app V2.4... the only debuger that worked was the one from intel !

20:01 <mweltin> cool, I'll get a copy then.

20:01 <mweltin> does it come in binaries or source?

20:01 <mweltin> I have the 2.4 kernel.

20:02 <mweltin> is why I ask.

20:02 <mweltin> 2.6 has been out so long that I don't see 2.4 binaries much

20:02 <crunch3r> ^^ it's free ... it comes in binary (rpm packages) .

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20:04 <mweltin> I don't do rmp's

20:04 <mweltin> I though Intel switched to Novel (aka suse)

20:05 <PovAddict> rpm is still standard enough to be a good package choice...

20:05 <PovAddict> if the idea is running everywhere

20:05 <crunch3r>

20:05 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:06 <crunch3r> @mweltin you could use rpm2tgz

20:06 <mweltin> ok

20:07 <xcamel> straight rpms are better..

20:07 <crunch3r> ^^ but won't work on every computer...

20:07 <zombie67> ooo!  more LHC

20:07 <PovAddict> o rly

20:07 <PovAddict> 14/12/2007 22:09:39|lhcathome|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.  Requesting 5606 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

20:07 <PovAddict> 14/12/2007 22:09:44|lhcathome|Scheduler request succeeded: got 1 new tasks

20:08 <crunch3r> @mweltin if you got issues seting up the compiler ...let me know iÄll help you!

20:09 <mweltin> thanks curnch3r

20:09 <mweltin> I'm sure i'll have a question or two

20:10 <crunch3r> ^^ i'm sure we can answer your questions very quickly too ;)

20:10 <mweltin> well registration went well

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20:11 <crunch3r> So...while we're at it .... a new code branch for svn sync ?  like optimized or so ?

20:13 <xcamel> lhc should just let the units fly - the limiter is getting pretty boring

20:13 <crunch3r> *blubb*

20:13 <mweltin> I assume I want IA-32

20:13 <mweltin> sure crunch3r that sounds good

20:13 <crunch3r> ^^weltin the 64 bit icc is a crosscompiler....

20:14 <zombie67> when is BS due back up?

20:14 <crunch3r> same as on windows...

20:14 <xcamel> I still haven't been able to build a new boinc core myself for 8 months now - wxGTK is still hosed up in the makefile

20:14 <crunch3r> BS ???? BULLSHITT ???

20:14 <wdsmia> asks crunch3r to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

20:15 <zombie67> boincstats

20:15 <crunch3r> hehe ... LOL what kinda bot ist that "wdsmia>asks crunch3r to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op." ... LOL

20:15 <xcamel> family channel...

20:16 <crunch3r> sure i know it's BS... but hey ... sometines it's  BS... like now ;P

20:16 <crunch3r> get the point ;P

20:18 <crunch3r> *blubb*

20:20 <xcamel> blubb?

20:20 <crunch3r> dontcha know that ?

20:23 <crunch3r> ok... time to start a GA bench ---> GA_1.00_windows_intelx86_SSE.2exe ...32 bit

20:24 <mweltin> crunch3r, what is the diff between product and package on te download page?

20:25 <mweltin> do you have svn write access crunch3r?

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20:26 <zombie67> BB

20:26 <crunch3r> No. I do not have svn wrtie access... until now i did not want too... however if we could ger a optimized "branch" tag ... that would be fine....

20:27 <Bad_At_Home> howdy

20:27 <xcamel> 'lo BB

20:27 <crunch3r> Not sure what you're talking about the "product" and "package" thing ... ...

20:27 <zombie67> LHC work in progress steadily climbing...

20:27 <Bad_At_Home> 'lo xcamel

20:28 <Bad_At_Home> its so cold in my room the 2.7 p4 has a temp of 29c crunching lol

20:29 <mweltin> I want to make a windows dir, much like the way the BOINC source does it.

20:29 <mweltin> but an optimized branche is a good idea.

20:31 <crunch3r> WOW... GA application is done in about 15 min on a Pentium D @3.6 GHZ... (using the GA_in from the latest PM)....

20:31 <xcamel> damn.. now I think they really mean it... 12-24" of snow starting tomorrow...

20:31 <mweltin> what is the LOOP_SIZE and POP_SIZE ?

20:31 <crunch3r> it's the old code ...from trunk...

20:33 <crunch3r> i'll compile a new app tomorrow from the mweltin branch OR the optimized if you could set up that one that quick.

20:33 <mweltin> send me your password crunch3r via PM or soemthing

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20:33 <mweltin> optimized is set up

20:33 <mweltin> mweltin and trunk should be the same right now.

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20:33 <mweltin> like I said I'm tyring to make trunk = latest stable

20:34 <crunch3r> ATM in the source i use --> #define LOOP_SIZE 100

20:34 <mweltin> my 16hr+ one has a million

20:34 <crunch3r> #define POP_SIZE 10000

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20:35 <mweltin> crunch3r, send me your password for svn

20:35 <mweltin> not here but in email orsomething

20:36 <xcamel> hmm.. 6 whole lhc units

20:36 <crunch3r> hmmm... svn .. i need to log in to the server fisrt.... you'll got a pm n the board in about a minute..

20:37 <mweltin> ok

20:37 <mweltin> I just made the optimized branch by taking a copy of the current trunk

20:38 <crunch3r> pm is sent....

20:38 <crunch3r> ok

20:38 <mweltin> passwd is set

20:38 <mweltin> not sure if I have to restart the server or not.

20:39 <mweltin> give it a try

20:39 <mweltin> svn://

20:39 <mweltin> opps

20:39 <mweltin> didn't owrk

20:39 <crunch3r> i only figure how to check out how to sync with pw enabled

20:40 <crunch3r> +need

20:40 <mweltin> I think it only checks the passwd when you check in

20:40 <mweltin> and then it will prompt you for that passwd

20:41 <mweltin> there is a typo in the url above

20:41 <mweltin> respos = repos

20:42 <crunch3r> well i'll see tomorrow.... atm i'm just about to go to bed... it's 2.42 am here in germany... can't keep my eyes open any more .... however, i'll let you know when i'm done with the source so it'll compile ;P

20:43 <mweltin> get some sleep crunch3r

20:43 <mweltin> thanks again.

20:43 <xcamel> 'laterz, c3r

20:43 <zombie67> ciao

20:43 <crunch3r> so gn8 at all :) cya soon ;P

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20:44 <xcamel> he did a hell of a job on the original einstein optimizations...

20:45 <xcamel> a couple years ago, but then some spoiled rotten brats really torqued him off

20:45 <zombie67> brb

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20:52 <xcamel> <poof>

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20:53 <zombie67> messing around with a new client (chatzilla)

20:54 <xcamel> not always stable

20:55 <xcamel> well... guess I'll wander off to watch some scifi...

20:55 <zombie67> cya

20:56 <zombie67> ugh, not liking it

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20:56 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

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21:02 <mweltin> dog walk time

21:02 <mweltin> later guys

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22:18 <Tank_Master> On this day in history...

22:18 <Tank_Master> 1924

22:18 <Tank_Master> The temperature at Helena MT plunged 79 degrees in 24 hours, and 88 degrees in 34 hours. The mercury plummeted from 63 above to 25 below zero. At Fairfield MT the temperature plunged 84 degrees in just 12 hours, from 63 at Noon to 21 below zero at midnight.

22:19 <PovAddict> repeat that in °C

22:19 <PovAddict> actually, wait

22:19 <PovAddict> &math convert 79 F C

22:19 <Romulus> PovAddict: 26.1111111111

22:20 <PovAddict> &echo The temperature at Helena MT plunged [math convert 79 F C] degrees in 24 hours, and [math convert 88 F C] degrees in 34 hours. The mercury plummeted from [math convert 63 F C] above to [math convert 25 F C] below zero. At Fairfield MT the temperature plunged [math convert 84 F to C] degrees in just 12 hours, from [math convert 63 F C] at Noon to [math convert 21 F C] below zero at midnight.

22:20 <Romulus> The temperature at Helena MT plunged 26.1111111111 degrees in 24 hours, and 31.1111111111 degrees in 34 hours. The mercury plummeted from 17.2222222222 above to -3.88888888889 below zero. At Fairfield MT the temperature plunged 28.8888888889 degrees in just 12 hours, from 17.2222222222 at Noon to -6.11111111111 below zero at midnight.

22:20 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:20 <PovAddict> stupid decimals

22:21 <Tank_Master> can you do rounding?

22:21 <PovAddict> wait, -3 below zero? crap

22:21 <PovAddict> &echo  from [math convert 63 F C] above to [math convert -25 F C]. At Fairfield MT the temperature plunged [math convert 84 F to C] degrees in just 12 hours, from [math convert 63 F C] at Noon to [math convert -21 F C] at midnight.

22:21 <Romulus> from 17.2222222222 above to -31.6666666667 . At Fairfield MT the temperature plunged 28.8888888889 degrees in just 12 hours, from 17.2222222222 at Noon to -29.4444444444 at midnight.

22:21 <Tank_Master> hold on povaddict

22:22 <Tank_Master> &math convert -6 f c

22:22 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: f is not a valid unit.

22:22 <Tank_Master> &math convert -6 F C

22:22 <Romulus> Tank_Master: -21.1111111111

22:22 <Tank_Master> thats better

22:23 <Soul_keeper> ok

22:23 <zombie67> TM:  when I said you weren't #1 on TSP, I was looking at NQ

22:23 <Tank_Master> so yeah, about 30c above to -30c below in 12h

22:23 <Tank_Master> thats one heck of a cold frount

22:23 <Tank_Master> ok, Z ;)

22:24 <zombie67> you are #1 on TPS, and Team MacNN has dropped to #4

22:25 <zombie67> check out the difference....

22:25 <zombie67>

22:25 <Romulus> <> (at

22:26 <zombie67>

22:26 <Romulus> <> (at

22:26 <Tank_Master> man

22:26 <Tank_Master> lots of sMAC'n tosses

22:26 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:26 <Tank_Master> I screwed up the hosts stats

22:26 <zombie67> look at the difference in numbers too

22:27 <Tank_Master> I bet all 16 of those server "longhorn" is the comp im on now

22:27 <zombie67> you have ~29k

22:27 <zombie67> er

22:27 <zombie67> ~20k

22:27 <zombie67> mine has ~2.5k

22:27 <Tank_Master> yeah, I set my initial goals at 10k, not 100

22:28 <Tank_Master> your MAC only got 2.5k?

22:28 <zombie67> of course, those number are way inflated, due to duplicate hosts

22:28 <zombie67> I was talking about the number of hosts

22:28 <Tank_Master> I kept changeing my host ID so I could d/l more work

22:29 <PovAddict> make sure to merge later

22:29 <zombie67> can't do that on a lot of prohjects

22:29 <zombie67> server too old

22:30 <PovAddict> do what?

22:30 <PovAddict> merge or change hostid?

22:30 <PovAddict> I did it on LHC, change hostid and then merge

22:30 <zombie67> too old to merge hosts

22:30 <PovAddict> nothing is older than that

22:30 <Tank_Master> boincstats is back up

22:30 <PovAddict> ah it was their scheduled downtime

22:31 <Tank_Master> ya

22:31 <zombie67> LHC will not allow merge if everything is not *exactly* the same

22:31 <zombie67> BOINC changed the processor description several times

22:31 <zombie67> so now I cannot merge the same hosts

22:32 <PovAddict> ah yeah

22:32 <zombie67> newer server is smarter

22:32 <zombie67> *lots* of older projects still have this problem

22:33 <PovAddict> newer server has hacks needed to cope with all the fuckups boinc devs did with the OS/CPU data

22:33 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

22:33 * Tank_Master slaps wdsmia around a bit with a large trout

22:34 <zombie67> add to that, dead projects, which prevent remerging hostids

22:34 <zombie67> why does the warning come from wdsmia and not rommie?

22:34 <PovAddict> oh wait there's a bigger problem cross-project

22:35 <Tank_Master> Error: Can't merge host 1246 into 1252 - they're incompatible

22:35 <PovAddict> if you merge everything you had to merge, on all projects, stats sites may still show dups

22:35 <zombie67> right.  Need to be able to crunch a WU on each to get them all synched again

22:35 <Tank_Master> man I love having so mney of the same type of comps ;)

22:35 <PovAddict> hosts also have CPIDs that I have no idea how to align...

22:35 <zombie67> dead projects prevent that

22:36 <Tank_Master> I merged 12 comps with different names into the same ID

22:36 <zombie67> solution is to crunch one WU on each project with the same host

22:36 <PovAddict> I seriously can't be bothered to do that - so I have over 10 hosts on stats sites

22:36 <PovAddict> yet I keep hosts merged on individual projects

22:37 <zombie67> BOINCstats says I have 130+

22:37 <Tank_Master> congrats

22:37 <PovAddict> there you go

22:37 <Tank_Master> some sites say I have over 500

22:37 <zombie67> I really have had only about 30 alltogether.

22:38 <zombie67> though many are retired or have had their processor and/or OS changed.  Okay, maybe 40 counting all that.

22:38 <zombie67> about once ever couple of weeks, I go to EVERY project, and try to merge all dups

22:39 <Tank_Master> y?

22:39 <zombie67> with all that work, I still have 3x too many

22:41 <zombie67> because I am borderline OCD, and would like to be able to use BS as a tool to monitor my boxes

22:41 <zombie67> can't do that when they are split all over the place

22:41 <zombie67> LHC is up to 26k WIP

22:42 <Tank_Master> yeah, looks like I got a few of dem WUs

22:43 <Tank_Master> hey Z

22:44 <Tank_Master> zombie?

22:44 <zombie67> si?

22:44 <Tank_Master> MS office 2008 has just hit RTM

22:44 <zombie67> RTM?

22:45 <Tank_Master> (for tha MAC)

22:45 <Tank_Master> Released to Manufacture

22:45 <zombie67> ah, like gold

22:45 <Tank_Master> the "gold" disk isfinilized and is now being massed produced

22:45 <zombie67> jinx

22:45 <Tank_Master> heh

22:45 <Tank_Master> you wish

22:46 <zombie67> that means the beta stops working?

22:46 <Tank_Master> lol

22:46 <Tank_Master> yes, they are no longer develiping it

22:46 <zombie67> i assume it expires?

22:47 <Tank_Master> ?

22:47 <zombie67> the beta

22:47 <zombie67> the version you use

22:47 <Tank_Master> ahh, if you had the beta, it probably will eventually

22:47 <Tank_Master> no, Im refering to office 2008, not server 2008

22:48 <Tank_Master> office for MAC

22:48 <zombie67> AAAHQ

22:48 <zombie67> got ya

22:48 <zombie67> sorry, not reading carefully enough

22:48 <zombie67> I use openoffice

22:48 <Tank_Master> sorry to hear that

22:48 <Tank_Master> ;)

22:49 <zombie67> Works for me

22:49 <Tank_Master> well thats a good thing

22:49 <zombie67> also, my company uses StarOffice (OO+ some other stuff) anyway

22:49 <zombie67> and it's free

22:49 <zombie67> and it reads/saves office

22:50 <Tank_Master> so is the office 2007 I am using

22:50 <Tank_Master> (andf yes, its legal)

22:50 <zombie67> does it read/save opendoc?

22:51 <Tank_Master> who cares if all you have is office docs?

22:51 <zombie67> you couldn;t open the spreadsheet on wcg I tried to send you.

22:51 <Tank_Master> but ues, it uses an open standard

22:51 <zombie67> that is the opendoc standard

22:52 <PovAddict> kinda... you aren't *allowed* to use MS Office if you work at Sun

22:52 <PovAddict> or windoze

22:52 <zombie67> not true

22:52 <zombie67> partly

22:52 <Tank_Master> somewhat

22:52 <zombie67> windows is supported, because sun supports work-from-home

22:53 <PovAddict> yeah it's *supported*

22:53 <PovAddict> my dad works at Sun, you don't see a windoze machine anywhere, and there's a reason they gave him a Mac laptop

22:53 <zombie67> not on campus, no

22:53 <PovAddict> but of course he can work-from-home using this windoze desktop

22:53 <zombie67> however, with so many people wfh now, they do support it.

22:53 <zombie67> and MS and Sun are big buddies now

22:54 <Tank_Master> cool

22:54 <Tank_Master> :)

22:54 <zombie67> Sun support MS more than Mac

22:54 <zombie67> for employees

22:54 <zombie67> we offer Solaris, MS, and Linux on Sun machines to customers

22:55 <Tank_Master> can you send a test server my way? ;)

22:55 <zombie67> i'll get right on that

22:55 <Tank_Master> good

22:55 <Tank_Master> thx bud

22:56 * Tank_Master goes outside and wates for the package

22:56 <zombie67> If I could, it would be running BOINC for MMEEE

22:56 <Tank_Master> hehe

22:56 <Tank_Master> anywho, ill brb

22:56 <Tank_Master> making more cookies

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23:04 <zombie67>

23:04 <Romulus> <> (at

23:05 <PovAddict> blank page

23:05 <zombie67> 2nd to last shout

23:05 <zombie67> on BS

23:05 <PovAddict> I keep refreshing and getting blank page

23:05 <zombie67> GPU app for seti?!

23:05 <zombie67>

23:05 <PovAddict> yeah I wonder who the hell did it

23:05 <Romulus> <$> (at

23:05 <zombie67> what is cuad?

23:05 <zombie67> cuda

23:06 <PovAddict> I wonder if it really validates

23:06 <PovAddict> &google cuda nvidia

23:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.14 seconds: NVIDIA CUDA: <>; NVIDIA CUDA SDK Code Samples: <>; NVIDIA CUDA Programming Guide: <>; CUDA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; NVIDIA (2 more messages)

23:06 <zombie67> i was wondering the same thing

23:06 <zombie67> ah NVIDIA

23:06 <zombie67> of course, I have ATI

23:11 <zombie67> what happened to Simon at lunatics?

23:13 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

23:13 <PovAddict> MTughan!

23:13 <MTughan> Looks like the flash is off the history...

23:13 <zombie67> hi MT!

23:13 <zombie67> huh?

23:13 <MTughan> Someone flashed me while I was gone.

23:13 <zombie67> ah

23:14 <zombie67> mweltin told me to ask you about mac apps for GN TSP

23:14 <MTughan> GA TSP?

23:15 <MTughan> Still compiles fine, he can have the binaries if he wants.

23:15 <zombie67> no, no.  I wasn't clear.

23:15 <MTughan> Gah... Still no response from rogue.

23:16 <zombie67> I asked him when mac apps would be available for the new project on TSP.

23:16 <zombie67> he redirected me to you.

23:16 <MTughan> You mean the new method, the genetic algorithm?

23:16 <zombie67> yes

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23:17 <zombie67> GPU app for seti on unatics

23:18 <zombie67> lunatics

23:18 <MTughan> Whenever it's done, I'll have apps for him.

23:18 <MTughan> 'lo quail

23:18 <zombie67> cool

23:19 <MTughan> Gah, I really do hate my Internet at times. Keeps dropping out.

23:20 <zombie67> MT, did you see the post from Charlie Fenton on the dev/projects aliases

23:20 <MTughan> "[boinc_projects] building BOINC apps on leopard  "?

23:20 <zombie67> yeah, that one

23:21 <MTughan> Yeah, I read it already. I don't have Leopard though.

23:21 <MTughan> o_O

23:21 <Romulus> <> (at

23:23 <zombie67> "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!!"

23:24 <MTughan> Hey, when was mweltin here?

23:24 <zombie67> he checked out 2:20 ago

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23:32 <MTughan> Ah, there's the flash.

23:34 <MTughan> Well, mweltin should be back later tonight. He was just walking his dog.

23:34 <zombie67> POEM is going to participate for the first time with POEM@HOME in the bi-annual protein structure prediction contest (CASP).

23:35 <MTughan> He still hasn't registered his nick...

23:35 <Tank_Master> what dose that meen for us, z?

23:35 <zombie67> nothing.  but many of the protein projects compete, as well as non-boinc projecs

23:37 <zombie67> I recall for the last one  Baker (sp?) on rosetta asking for extra crunching druing that period

23:37 <PovAddict> when will it be?

23:38 <zombie67> &google CASP

23:38 <Romulus> zombie67: Search took 0.23 seconds: Home - Prediction Center: <>; CASP7 Home page: <>; Prediction Center Moved: <>; CASP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; California Anti-SLAPP Project: <>; Christian Associates: <>; (1 more message)

23:38 <wdsmia> asks Romulus to play nice with the other children

23:38 <MTughan> ?

23:38 <MTughan> What did Rommie do now?

23:38 <zombie67> there was a$$ in teh response

23:39 <zombie67>

23:39 <Romulus> Title: CASP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

23:40 <PovAddict> where

23:40 <zombie67> Christian Associates

23:40 <MTughan> >_>

23:40 <MTughan> &more zombie67

23:40 <Romulus> MTughan: CASP: <>; canadian association for suicide prevention casp: <>; CASP - Reports and Research: <>; CASP / ACPS Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention ...: <>

23:41 <PovAddict> ass

23:41 <PovAddict> doesn't seem to be it

23:41 <PovAddict> &echo associates

23:41 <Romulus> associates

23:41 <MTughan> &google CASP

23:41 <Romulus> MTughan: Search took 0.02 seconds: Home - Prediction Center: <>; CASP7 Home page: <>; Prediction Center Moved: <>; CASP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; California Anti-SLAPP Project: <>; Christian Associates: <>; (1 more message)

23:41 <wdsmia> asks Romulus to play nice with the other children

23:41 <MTughan> ...

23:41 <zombie67> see

23:41 <zombie67> &echo slapp

23:41 <Romulus> slapp

23:41 <wdsmia> asks zombie67 to play nice with the other children

23:41 <wdsmia> asks Romulus to play nice with the other children

23:41 <PovAddict> &echo slapp

23:41 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to play nice with the other children

23:41 <Romulus> slapp

23:41 <wdsmia> asks Romulus to play nice with the other children

23:41 <PovAddict> lol that was it XD

23:42 <zombie67> jinx

23:42 <MTughan> Slapp?

23:42 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to play nice with the other children

23:42 <MTughan> Not slap?

23:42 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to play nice with the other children

23:42 <MTughan> Oh, both...

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23:42 <Tank_Master> sam lapp?

23:42 <zombie67> just one.  it happens that the second includes the first

23:42 <Soul_keeper> any friday night talkers around ?

23:42 <MTughan> Ah.

23:43 <MTughan> So asjlfksdslapajlksfjdlksjd triggers it?

23:43 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to play nice with the other children

23:43 <zombie67> slapadapalopolist

23:43 <wdsmia> asks zombie67 to play nice with the other children

23:43 <MTughan> lol

23:43 <MTughan> Now watch us all get kicked...

23:43 <zombie67> heh

23:44 <zombie67> is that word a "/" action?

23:44 <MTughan> At least he's not op right now.

23:44 <MTughan> I have a /sl*p in mine.

23:44 <PovAddict> slap slap

23:44 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to play nice with the other children

23:44 <PovAddict> I'm outta here

23:44 <zombie67> unknown command

23:44 <zombie67> gn pov

23:44 <MTughan> Night.

23:44 * Tank_Master slaps wdsmia for being a broken record

23:45 <Tank_Master> gn pov

23:45 <Tank_Master> slap

23:45 <wdsmia> asks Tank_Master to play nice with the other children

23:45 <Tank_Master> SLAP!

23:45 <wdsmia> asks Tank_Master to play nice with the other children

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23:47 <Tank_Master> uh oh

23:47 <Tank_Master> efc is back ;)

23:47 <efc> Mooo

23:47 <efc> Here's a good OT story for you..

23:48 <efc> A couple weeks ago, there were some fraud charges on my credit card, so I called and had it canceled

23:48 <efc> I just got the new one in the mail. Before I'd even opened the envelope, somebody had tried to hit it already

23:48 <efc> My new account.. that I'd never even seen

23:48 <Tank_Master> wow

23:49 <MTughan> Here we go...

23:49 <Tank_Master> what r they gonna do now?

23:49 * MTughan hurts awith a terrifying mIRC 6.01

23:49 <MTughan> Nice, that needs some tweaking.

23:49 <efc> Cancel the card (that was never activated) and send me yet another

23:49 <efc> sounds like somebody on the inside to me

23:51 <efc> I say execute them, I'll pay for the shotgun shell

23:51 <Tank_Master> lol

23:51 * MTughan hurts Tank_Master with an extra large shovel

23:51 <MTughan> :D

23:52 <MTughan> It's a rather limited list of nouns, verbs, and adverbs ATM, but those can probably be picked up again.

23:52 <efc> Nothing cruel or unusual about a 12-gauge

23:52 <MTughan> lol

23:52 <Tank_Master> lol

23:52 <efc> One of the charges was $9500 in Saudi Arabia

23:53 <MTughan> 12-gauge shotgun or 12 gauge electrical wire?

23:53 <MTughan> 12 gauge electrical wire could carry some serious current...

23:53 <efc> Haha, wrap 'em up in it, and then death by induction

23:54 <Tank_Master> lol

23:54 <MTughan> Maybe we could magnetize them... xD

23:54 <MTughan> They couldn't drive a car anymore!

23:54 <efc> Enough magnetic flux to knock the iron out of the hemoglobin in their blood

23:54 <efc> (see wikipedia article on Magnetars)

23:55 <MTughan> Ah, who cares?

23:55 <MTughan> I still say run a few thousand volts through them.

23:55 <MTughan> Not right now, gotta go to bed sometime soon.

23:56 <MTughan> I've got to be up at my church for 9:45AM tomorrow for a dress rehearsal.

23:56 <efc> For wha ?

23:56 <Tank_Master> sonds fun

23:56 <MTughan> Doing the lights at a kids' christmas concert.

23:56 <efc> Ah

23:57 <efc> Used to play in the Messiah every yeah

23:57 <MTughan> <punchcard> you're expecting useful assistance in an irc channel?

23:57 <efc> Nobody wants me anymore tho

23:57 <MTughan> Just said in #rieselsieve

23:58 <Tank_Master> hi efc

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