IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2007-12-15

00:03 <zombie67> anyone know anything about NNSIMU (neural networks)?

00:05 <Tank_Master> its a BOINC based project running computational thing-a-ma-giggys

00:05 <zombie67> wankage

00:06 <zombie67> I wonder if maybe it was a test environment for http://www.intelligencerealm.com/aisystem/system.php

00:06 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$Pd> (at www.intelligencerealm.com)

00:07 <Tank_Master> what makes you think that?

00:08 <zombie67> read Join the Project section.

00:08 <zombie67> Building a neural network simulator requires ....

00:08 <zombie67> Neural Network Simulations:

00:08 <Tank_Master> ...

00:08 <Tank_Master> true

00:10 <zombie67> TM, you saw the news about a GPU app for seti?

00:10 <zombie67> 98.4k at NQ

00:11 <zombie67> LHC is climbing fast, now up to 34k in WIP

00:11 <Tank_Master> no

00:11 <Tank_Master> I hear people wanting BOINC to use the GPU...

00:11 <Tank_Master> which I agree compleatly...

00:12 <Tank_Master> but I didnt know someone had

00:12 <zombie67> folding uses the GPU.

00:12 <zombie67> http://lunatics.kwsn.net/gpu-crunching/index.0.html

00:12 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Ii_> (at lunatics.kwsn.net)

00:13 <zombie67> LHC hates me.  why release all this work when I cannot afford to crunch, as I must?

00:13 <Tank_Master> lol

00:13 <Tank_Master> no doubt

00:14 <Tank_Master> I wonder if crunch3r know anything about this?

00:14 <zombie67> he helps out on lunatics, so I assume so.

00:15 <Tank_Master> would be cool of other projects could start doing something simmiler

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00:28 <MTughan> WTF was that?

00:30 <zombie67> stepped in what?!

00:31 <MTughan> No, I was disconnected.

00:37 <Tank_Master> sorry

01:03 <MTughan> I really need to be off to bed... Night all.

01:05 <Tank_Master> &sleep MT

01:05 <Romulus> Man I'm tired! Time to hit the sack ;)

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01:26 <Tank_Master> mw!

01:27 <mweltin> Tank!

01:27 <Tank_Master> sup!

01:27 <zombie67> mw

01:27 <mweltin> zombie67!

01:28 <mweltin> I see you are at the tsp forum again, thank you.

01:28 <zombie67> heh, never left!

01:28 <Tank_Master> *snort*

01:28 <Tank_Master> for now

01:29 <mweltin> yes, unlike some people in this room.

01:29 <Tank_Master> :)

01:29 <Tank_Master> I never leave, just, sometimes im not here

01:29 <zombie67> I am already back to crunching!

01:30 <zombie67> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/show_host_detail.php?hostid=95

01:30 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Iiw> (at bob.myisland.as)

01:31 <zombie67> already has a RAC of 3!

01:31 <mweltin> nice

01:31 <mweltin> that is the box you just added the other day?

01:32 <zombie67> yeah

01:32 <mweltin> wow I have made a lot of work units.

01:33 <mweltin> almost 200k

01:33 <zombie67> odd

01:33 <zombie67> I thought you were just running your script more often

01:33 <Tank_Master> he is now

01:34 <Tank_Master> every 1/2 hr

01:34 <zombie67> and it just topped off the

01:34 <Tank_Master> (crapper)

01:34 <zombie67> hehe

01:34 <zombie67> looking for the work

01:34 <zombie67> word

01:34 <mweltin> I'll have to change the upper limit then

01:34 <Tank_Master> sorry, was on my mind from the other room

01:34 <mweltin> I think its set to 200 or something.

01:35 <mweltin> or run it every 5 min like that guy suggested.

01:35 <mweltin> I should get a system monitor.

01:35 <Tank_Master> just set it to 2m

01:35 <mweltin> something to show average load and stuff like that.

01:35 <Tank_Master> that should be enough of a buffer

01:35 <mweltin> hahahaah

01:40 <zombie67> 200k...is the due date set when generated, or when downloaded?

01:41 <mweltin> when generated

01:41 <mweltin> it's part of the workunit template.

01:41 <zombie67> many could expire before ever downloaded

01:42 <zombie67> how many wu d/l per day?

01:42 <mweltin> each host can only have so man

01:42 <mweltin> I forget

01:42 <mweltin> let me check

01:43 <zombie67> I meant in total for the project:  how many wu d/l per day?

01:43 <mweltin> F if I know

01:44 <zombie67> my point:  you may have too many.  people DL some, just to have them due back in minutes or seconds because they are so old

01:44 <mweltin> I can get a upper bound

01:45 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmm there must be some safe guard for that

01:46 <mweltin> the server abort helps

01:46 <mweltin> the WU takes an hour or so and you have a day to finish it.

01:46 <mweltin> here it is

01:47 <mweltin> max_wus_in_progress is 10

01:47 <mweltin> of course max_wus_to_send is set to 10 as well.

01:47 <mweltin> mother f'er I have to read that config.xml options page again.

01:48 <mweltin> thanks zombie67 big help, it's not like I don't have enough to do already.

01:48 <zombie67> sorry

01:49 <mweltin> hahahaha

01:49 <zombie67> I just recalled SZTAKI got into trouble by having a queue too big

01:49 <mweltin> its ok

01:49 <zombie67> how many active hosts do you have?

01:50 <mweltin> like 1400

01:50 <zombie67> and a normal run time?

01:50 <zombie67> per wu

01:51 <mweltin> about an hour give or take on a 1.3GHz box

01:51 <zombie67> so lets do math

01:51 <zombie67> 200,000 houres of work

01:52 <zombie67> 142 hours/machine

01:52 <zombie67> almost 6 days of work per machine

01:52 <zombie67> assuming they are all 100% on TSP

01:52 <zombie67> which they arent

01:53 <zombie67> but due date is only 5 days out

01:53 <zombie67> many of those 200k will expire

01:54 <mweltin> that was 200k from when I started

01:54 <zombie67> ah!

01:54 <mweltin> let me check the data dase and see how many went out yesterday

01:54 <zombie67> I thought you meant there were 200k in the ready to send queue

01:54 <mweltin> no

01:54 <zombie67> ack!

01:54 <zombie67> sorry

01:54 <mweltin> the "highwater" mark is like 100 or 200

01:55 <zombie67> you and I have been on different discussions.

01:55 <zombie67> I read this all wrong:

01:55 <zombie67> [22:32]  <mweltin> wow I have made a lot of work units.

01:55 <zombie67> [22:33]  <mweltin> almost 200k

01:58 <mweltin> crap

01:58 <mweltin> I have a time stamp field

01:58 <zombie67> ?

01:59 <mweltin> mysql I can't jus set select everything for 2007-12-23

01:59 <mweltin> I have to give it a range because it uses hours min secs

01:59 <mweltin> there is a way to do what I want but like so many things I forget.

01:59 <mweltin> I think I went to one to many parties when i was younger

02:00 <zombie67> sorry, I know only very minimal db stuff

02:00 <zombie67> anywho, sorry to panic you earlier.  If you have only 100-200 ready to dl at any given time, you are golden

02:01 <mweltin> 1518 yesterday

02:02 <mweltin> select count(*) from paths where released >= '2007-12-13 00:00:00' and released <= '2007-12-13 23:59:59';

02:02 <mweltin> if you are curious

02:02 <mweltin> but you can do it with the date format command

02:03 <mweltin> released = format_date() or something

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02:03 <mweltin> like I said I forget.

02:03 <mweltin> yoyo

02:03 <Tank_Master> yo yoyo!

02:03 <zombie67> yoyo!  yo!

02:03 <zombie67> jinx

02:03 <yoyo[RKN]> yo morning

02:03 <mweltin> I was able to make one of the changes crunch3r wanted.

02:03 <Tank_Master> ha

02:04 <mweltin> got rid of the use of dirent

02:04 <Tank_Master> you can read what soemone says then say it again for a jink

02:04 <Tank_Master> cant*

02:04 <zombie67> first there wins

02:05 <mweltin> does rom keep track of jinx'es

02:10 <zombie67> "Buffet and Orgy: First Served, First Come" -History of the World Part I

02:11 <mweltin> LOL

02:11 <mweltin> classic movie

02:11 <zombie67> hilarious!  my 2nd fav brooks film.

02:11 <zombie67> #3  Space Balls

02:11 <zombie67> guess at #1?

02:12 <zombie67> sorry

02:12 <zombie67> forgot one

02:12 <mweltin> Blazing Saddles?

02:12 <zombie67> HotW is #3

02:12 <zombie67> Sb is #4

02:12 <zombie67> BS is #2!

02:13 <mweltin> High Anxiety

02:13 <zombie67> Mongo only pawn... in game of life.

02:13 <zombie67> nope

02:14 <zombie67> come on...

02:15 <zombie67> nothing?

02:16 <mweltin> young Frankenstine!

02:16 <zombie67> DING!

02:16 <mweltin> we have a winner

02:16 <mweltin> tell him what he won Johnny!

02:16 <zombie67> Fronkensteeen

02:16 <Tank_Master> mmm.. teens

02:16 * Tank_Master likes teems

02:17 <Tank_Master> waa? no responce?

02:18 <zombie67> was that a misspelling?

02:18 <mweltin> sorry went for a snak

02:18 <zombie67> teems of what>

02:18 <zombie67> ?

02:18 <Tank_Master> man o man

02:18 <mweltin> who is on first?

02:18 <Tank_Master> just teens

02:18 <Tank_Master> yes

02:18 <Tank_Master> he was

02:19 <Tank_Master> til what kicked who's @$$

02:20 <mweltin> oh man, I'm reading about html tables vs. css

02:21 <mweltin> some people get very worked up about that.

02:21 <Tank_Master> :P

02:22 <zombie67> Here is the original, which was paraphrased in blazing saddles...

02:22 <zombie67> "Badges? We ain't got no badges.  We don't need no badges!  I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!!" -- Gold Hat, "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre"

02:26 <zombie67> "I love the feminist movement...especially when I'm walking behind it." -- Rush Limbaugh

02:26 <yoyo[RKN]> I want use subversion on windows, what do I need?

02:26 <yoyo[RKN]> any hints?

02:26 <mweltin> sever or client?

02:27 <yoyo[RKN]> client

02:27 <mweltin> tortoiseSVN

02:27 <mweltin> they make a cvs client as well

02:27 <Tank_Master> its buggy though

02:27 <Tank_Master> I had it at times lock a fine in use when it wasnt

02:27 <mweltin> ends up as a menu item when you right click on a directory.

02:27 <Tank_Master> file*

02:27 <mweltin> works fine for me.

02:27 <Tank_Master> I had it at work

02:28 <yoyo[RKN]> will try it

02:28 <mweltin> well it shows the wron icon sometimes

02:28 <Tank_Master> somethine someone couldnt edit a file because it was checked out to them

02:28 <mweltin> but that is the only problem I have had with it.

02:28 <Tank_Master> yet it easnt..

02:28 <mweltin> the whole point of svn is so multiple people can work on a file.

02:29 <mweltin> source safe used to lock files

02:30 <zombie67> how to sabotage windows....

02:30 <zombie67> that is close to corporate treason!

02:30 <mweltin> put it under source safe control

02:32 <zombie67> 99.5k on NQ

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02:34 <mweltin> desk geko is back

02:35 <mweltin> cat almost got him today.

02:36 <Tank_Master> darn

02:36 <Tank_Master> sorry to hear the can isnt doing it's job

02:36 <mweltin> I like the gekos

02:36 <Tank_Master> :)

02:36 <mweltin> its the rats and other stuff I'm not too fond of.

02:40 <zombie67> I have about a dozen blue bellies around my house

02:40 <mweltin> what is that a skink or something?

02:41 <Tank_Master> I dont have any slimmy crawlers around here (except for the slugs)

02:42 <yoyo[RKN]> how to connect now to berkeley?

02:42 <Tank_Master> like most of us these days

02:42 <Tank_Master> we dont

02:42 <mweltin> right click on a dir and select check out

02:43 <yoyo[RKN]> but first I need to configure from which server

02:43 <mweltin> enter the url of the respository

02:43 <mweltin> the url has the server name

02:43 <zombie67> whoops, I've been calling the little lizards around my house the wrong thing

02:43 <mweltin> forget cvs

02:43 <mweltin> no SVNROOT or anything like that.

02:44 <yoyo[RKN]> url? e.g. this one? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc_samples

02:44 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1IjJ> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

02:44 <mweltin> yup

02:45 <mweltin> and give the destination a name too, i.e. where it goes on your file system

02:45 <zombie67> oh!  maybe not!

02:46 <zombie67> I think this is what they are.  I've never turned one over to look.  but this is what they look like form the top:  http://www.californiaherps.com/identification/lizardsid/sceloporus.sm.id.html

02:46 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1IjK> (at www.californiaherps.com)

02:48 <mweltin> haha

02:49 <mweltin> well its not a skink or a geko

02:55 <zombie67> yep..  they are "Western fence lizards (swifts or bluebellies) "

02:56 <zombie67> they crawl up the east and south sides on my home to sun themselves.

02:56 <mweltin> here the gekos just eat everything in site.

02:56 <zombie67> my lab's favourite thing was to look for them and try to get 'em!

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02:56 <zombie67> never did

02:57 <zombie67> but she had hours of fun.

02:57 <zombie67> sigh

02:57 <zombie67> i miss her

02:58 <mweltin> did she pass away?

02:59 <zombie67> just this past labor day.  tumor in her left rear knee.

03:00 <mweltin> how old was she?

03:00 <zombie67> only 11

03:00 <zombie67> she was not "old" at all

03:00 <mweltin> I'm sorry. That is how old my dog is.

03:00 <zombie67> she was my baby

03:01 <zombie67> thanks

03:01 <mweltin> I'm super attached to my dog.

03:01 <mweltin> he can't do wrong in my eyes.

03:01 <zombie67> it was not the "died in her sleep" I exprected

03:01 <mweltin> well accept chase another dog into the road.

03:01 <zombie67> I had to call the vet to come to my home

03:02 <mweltin> at least she was at home.

03:02 <zombie67> yeah

03:02 <zombie67> Thursday she was limping, and I took her in.

03:02 <zombie67> Monday, I had to call the vet

03:03 <zombie67> it was that fast

03:03 <zombie67> she was in so much pain

03:03 <yoyo[RKN]> how can I compare the latest version with the version before?

03:03 <zombie67> even with doubling the pain meds

03:04 <mweltin> svn diff -r#:# file name

03:04 <mweltin> wow that sucks.

03:04 <mweltin> my last dog went down fast too.  She was acting funny for a month or but nothing serious.

03:05 <mweltin> I went to the vet and they said she has cancer and it's all over her body, there is nothing we can do.

03:05 <zombie67> ugh

03:05 <mweltin> I had to put her down right then and there.

03:06 <zombie67> there is no way to prepare

03:06 <efc> they can't say whats wrong to catch anything early :(

03:06 <zombie67> The best doctor in the world is the veterinarian. He can't ask his patients what is the matter-he's got to just know. -- Will Rogers

03:06 <mweltin> I was in a kind of shock. Didn't hit me until the next day.

03:08 <zombie67> I have (and have had) other dogs.  Roxy was different.  She and I had a special relationship.  we always knew what the other was thinking.  Not fair.

03:09 <mweltin> I won't go that far with Einstine but he goes everywhere with me.

03:09 <mweltin> friends houses, the bank, down to the cornner store for ice cream everywhere.

03:10 <zombie67> yeah, looking back, when I took her in and he told me...I realize mi brain had just shut down.

03:10 <zombie67> I am still amazed we made it back home (20 mi) with out crashing.

03:10 <mweltin> LOL my GF just told me my dog farted in her room and then got up and left to lay down next to me.

03:10 <mweltin> LOL

03:10 <mweltin> you gotta love dogs.

03:10 <Tank_Master> :P

03:11 <Tank_Master> http://www.xkcd.com/256/

03:11 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe (at www.xkcd.com)

03:12 <zombie67> yeah, shenandoah (my black lab) insists on sleeping under my desk when I am on the computer.  She has the WORST gas, and it wafts straight up to me.

03:12 <zombie67> I get at least an hourly "reminder" she's down there.

03:13 <mweltin> maybe you should change her food.

03:13 <zombie67> mweltin, enjoy your time with your dog.  make the most of it.

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03:13 <mweltin> Einstine has lupis and gets a good diet.  Or used to before I moved here.

03:16 <mweltin> we still go hiking all the time and we go on two walks a day.

03:16 <mweltin> its good times Eintein here.

03:16 <mweltin> I'll be back soon.

03:16 <mweltin> I have to give the GF some attention.

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03:17 <Tank_Master> well, I got to give my bed some attention

03:17 <Tank_Master> so im off to bed

03:17 <Tank_Master> gn

03:17 <zombie67> gn

03:18 * Tank_Master s glad there is no work tomorrow

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03:29 <ChristmasCoder> hi-ho

03:30 <ChristmasCoder> &weather 45140

03:30 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 31.8F / -0.1C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.26in / 1024.6hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Lows around 30. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Rain through early morning...Channing to snow late. Sleet and freezing rain may mix in after midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation around an inch. Some (2 more messages)

03:31 <ChristmasCoder> it's going to "channing to snow"

03:31 <ChristmasCoder> &more

03:31 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: ice accumulation possible. Lows in the upper 20s. North winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Sunday - Cloudy. Snow in the morning...then a chance of snow in the afternoon. Additional snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Blustery with highs in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Winter Weather Advisory for (1 more message)

03:31 <ChristmasCoder> &more

03:31 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Hamilton County in effect until 6:00 PM EST on December 15, 2007;

03:37 <efc> Zzz

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03:46 <ChristmasCoder> brb  breakfast

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04:36 <ChristmasCoder> bbiab

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04:55 <ChristmasCoder> morning LL

04:56 <ChristmasCoder> brb

04:56 <LumpyLarry> bah morning bambosler day

04:57 * LumpyLarry is aching from all the containers going thru building today

04:59 <LumpyLarry> little one getting rather vocal about wanting some of my curds

04:59 <ChristmasCoder> b

04:59 <LumpyLarry> wb

05:00 <ChristmasCoder> the mail moves the country, and LL moves the mail

05:00 <LumpyLarry> gumpily along

05:01 <LumpyLarry> cant even say Merry Christmas as not PC at w/*-

05:01 <ChristmasCoder> neither rain nor snow nor grump...

05:01 <LumpyLarry> so instead have adopted Bah Humbug

05:02 <LumpyLarry> as i shoot another hamper across the dock to doors

05:02 <ChristmasCoder> I have a Hallmark Bah Humbug button from years ago

05:02 <LumpyLarry> it was too cheery ;)

05:02 <ChristmasCoder> lemme see if I can find a pic

05:02 <LumpyLarry> k

05:04 <ChristmasCoder> no quick pic hit

05:06 <LumpyLarry> tis ok

05:06 <LumpyLarry> scifi fridays sure have gone downhill - watching scorpion king that was on earlier

05:06 <LumpyLarry> or is it the mummy 3

05:07 <ChristmasCoder> It was in it's heyday when BSG was on on Friday nights

05:08 <LumpyLarry> yeah

05:08 <ChristmasCoder> it genuinely got me through the w@#% week - a goal to reach for

05:08 <ChristmasCoder> then they put it late on Sunday night - a real killer for Monday morning

05:09 <ChristmasCoder> more of a chore

05:11 <LumpyLarry> yeah don't even have recorder set for it yet as still reviewing what i record on saturday

05:12 <LumpyLarry> isn't the new ones to start in january?

05:12 <LumpyLarry> assuming writers strike over

05:14 <ChristmasCoder> March

05:15 <LumpyLarry> arrhhh

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05:18 <ChristmasCoder> I think I'll hit the grocery store early, before the weather moves in

05:19 <ChristmasCoder> bbl

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05:26 <LumpyLarry> good shopping

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06:57 <xcamel_away> 'lo

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06:58 <xcamel> Don is right on the 'deep snow' line...

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07:08 <ChristianB> Hi

07:09 <xcamel> 'lo Chris

07:19 <xcamel> &weather 12074

07:19 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 7.5F / -13.6C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.47in / 1031.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Much colder with highs around 19. North winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 3 to 6 inches. Lows around 17. Near steady temperature around 17. (2 more messages)

07:20 <xcamel> &more

07:20 <Romulus> xcamel: Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Sunday - Snow and sleet in the morning...then sleet...snow and freezing rain in the afternoon. Additional snow and sleet accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Ice accumulation around one quarter of an inch. Not as cool with highs in the upper 20s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for (1 more message)

07:20 <xcamel> &more

07:20 <Romulus> xcamel: Saratoga County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on December 17, 2007;

07:34 <xcamel> just not going to be pretty..

07:34 <ChristianB> &weather Leipzig

07:34 <Romulus> ChristianB: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.69in / 1039hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 1:20 PM CET; Clear. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Clear. Low:24 F. / -4 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:26 F. / -3 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:26 F. / -3 C.;

07:34 <xcamel> only 4F here

07:35 <xcamel> like -15C

07:35 <ChristianB> that's pretty cold

07:35 <xcamel> and a big storm on the way...

07:36 <ChristianB> I want to go to the Christmas market today so I better wear a warm jacket

07:36 <xcamel> good idea..

07:37 <xcamel> I have a big charity christmas breakfast this morning..

07:37 <ChristianB> at your house?

07:39 <ChristmasCoder> morning

07:39 <ChristmasCoder> go figure this radar  http://cctvimedia.clearchannel.com/wkrc/weather/13.jpg

07:39 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/DKX> (at cctvimedia.clearchannel.com)

07:39 <xcamel> at the store - for christmas wish...

07:40 <ChristmasCoder> my weather distortion field is working - bwahaha

07:40 <xcamel> we've raised over $30,000 already..

07:40 <ChristianB> We have temperatures around the freezing point now but still no snow here

07:40 <xcamel> &math convert -4 F to C

07:40 <Romulus> xcamel: -20.0

07:40 <ChristmasCoder> I went to the store a bit early this morning

07:41 <xcamel> missing the crowds..

07:41 <ChristmasCoder> yep - my normal weekly run, but I stepped it up a bit

07:42 <ChristmasCoder> I was out of the store by the time I usually enter it

07:42 <xcamel> I hate shopping under any circumstance..

07:42 <ChristmasCoder> we haven't received any precip yet

07:43 <xcamel> you have heavy snow aloft

07:43 <ChristmasCoder> I wonder what causes that big hole

07:44 <xcamel> radar overload

07:44 <xcamel> hehehe...

07:44 <xcamel> need to go out and start the truck..

07:47 <xcamel> dropped down to 3F

07:47 <xcamel> burrrrr...

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07:50 <ChristmasCoder> other local radars only show the southern portion

07:51 <ChristmasCoder> maybe it's reflection off the impenetrable moving front

07:51 <ChristmasCoder> o_O

07:53 <xcamel> damn... it's cold out..

07:56 <ChristmasCoder> 32F here

07:56 <ChristmasCoder> I'm going outside to fill up the birdfeeders

07:56 <ChristmasCoder> bbiab

07:59 <xcamel> well.. off to breakfast with santa..

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08:27 <Bad_At_Home> Mopimg

08:27 <Bad_At_Home> Morning

08:27 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

08:27 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 0.5F / -17.5C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 23.71in / 802.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs 33 to 41. Light winds becoming east around 15 mph early in the afternoon...then becoming light late in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows -5 to 5. Light winds.; Sunday - Not as cold. Mostly sunny. Highs 41 to (1 more message)

08:27 <Bad_At_Home> &more

08:27 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: 47. Light winds.;

08:35 <ChristmasCoder> Morphing morning, BAH

08:53 <ChristmasCoder> it just started snowing

08:56 <BadBarbarian> cool its 15 degrees colder than romie says

09:07 <desti> http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/

09:07 <Romulus> Title: COW - Programming for Bovines (at www.bigzaphod.org)

09:09 <ChristianB> PovAddict: There's this spammer again in the wiki

09:09 <BadBarbarian> Moo

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09:33 <Lorvija> Any apache/webhosting/security specialists here..? (:

09:36 <ChristianB> Lorvija: I'm a bit experienced with apache and webhosting wjat's your problem?

09:37 <Lorvija> well i need some info about security and making some applications _very_ secure

09:37 <ChristianB> you mean web-applications?

09:38 <Lorvija> well applications or scripts (: php scripts specifically

09:39 <ChristianB> oh that should be possible to explain

09:39 <Lorvija> i'm designing certain kind of reservation system which has not been coded very secure way and also it contains _Very_ sensitive data so no unauthorized person must be able to access it..

09:39 <Lorvija> so been thinking about .htaccess for the whole directory + some kind of php session authentication.. and maybe ssl.. (: just would be nice to know if it's enough or overkill..

09:40 <Lorvija> (php session auth = ask password first and if password is okay then create $_SESSION['auth'] = ok... and then give the access... and on top of every page check if it's still ok..)

09:41 <ChristianB> .htacces is the best way I would say, but you have to trust the people which have the password for this

09:41 <Lorvija> the prob is not the ppl with password.. but the possible hackers and outsiders

09:41 <ChristianB> php session handling should be build in if you have multiple users with different rights

09:42 <Lorvija> well i just want it to be very secure.. so that why 2 authentications.. and i might also use it to differentiate the companies i'm selling this for...

09:42 <ChristianB> If you've set up the .htacces you can eliminate all outsiders

09:42 <Lorvija> well is it REALLY secure?

09:43 <ChristianB> .htaccess is tthe best way to secure an apache driven website from unauthorized access at the moment

09:43 <Lorvija> for example would you put your credit card number etc behind .htaccess secured site..?

09:43 <Lorvija> okay

09:44 <ChristianB> No I wouldn't

09:44 <Lorvija> what would you add then?

09:45 <Lorvija> (if we assume the server itself is secure and updated...)

09:46 <ChristianB> If I'm a customer and want to buy something using CC data I expect a php session variable and ssl protection. I expect also that the admin backend and the database is secured by encryption or .htaccess

09:46 <Lorvija> what kind of php session variable you mean?

09:46 <ChristianB> .htaccess is just for the experienced users or admins

09:46 <Lorvija> or where could i find info about that kind of thing..

09:47 <ChristianB> I mean a php session handling using cookies or something

09:47 <Lorvija> (i've used .htaccess etc before but i'm not really into how secure it is..)

09:48 <Lorvija> hmm so how would that php session handling work then..? never heard about that kind of auth.. well heard but really seen how to do it..

09:49 <ChristianB> .htaccess is very secure but you can't differentiate between the users. It's only good as a bouncer

09:50 <ChristianB> http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.session.php

09:50 <Romulus> Title: PHP: Sessions - Manual (at www.php.net)

09:50 <Lorvija> okay so would that kind of auth i described in the beginning of this conversation be sufficient?

09:51 <ChristianB> yes If it's done in a clean and secure way

09:51 <Lorvija> okay

09:51 <Lorvija> I guess i'll just do that then (:

09:52 <Lorvija> Then the only consern is how secure the rest of the server is and how secure the rest of the sites on the server are...

09:53 <ChristianB> yes but that's common to every page you create on the web

09:54 <Lorvija> yep... well i guess better would be virtual (or even better dedicated) server and put it behind firewall and use vpn...

09:54 <Lorvija> ?

09:55 <ChristianB> You don't have to be that secure

09:56 <ChristianB> A dedicated server for just one tiny little reservation system is overkill

09:56 <ChristianB> except you want to build a new reservation system for all Hilton hotels in the world

09:56 <Lorvija> humm well that reservation system is for ~20 companies and they completely stop working if that system fucks up (:

09:56 <wdsmia> asks Lorvija to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

09:56 <ChristianB> :)

09:57 <Lorvija> so that's why i kinda would like to be secure.. though that vpn idea was just playing with idea.. (:

09:57 <ChristianB> Oh that's more than I expected, you should ask someone doing this for money than

09:59 <Lorvija> well i trust you.. (: and those companies aren't that big anyways... but anyways i do like to prevent things before they happen... so thats why i'm gonna limit the traffic for the site for only .fi hosts etc.. :E

10:00 <Lorvija> besides dedicated servers aren't that expensive afterall compared to buying web hosting.. so the spent money would be pretty much same...

10:01 <Lorvija> humm.. and if i buy dedicated server i could run boinc.. ;D

10:02 <Lorvija> but thank you... i think i'll go with  php auth, .htaccess and ssl for starters (:

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10:28 <xcamel> that was fun..

10:28 <PriitM> I just solved the CPU heat problem

10:28 <PriitM> well I've figured a way out...

10:29 <PriitM> well I've figured a way out...

10:29 <PriitM> oops, sorry :<

10:34 <xcamel> have to warm up enough to go out and freeze again...

10:35 <xcamel> all the way up to 11F

10:39 <PriitM> don't worry, we got almoust -31F last winter

10:40 <PriitM> hmm, converter error i think :/

10:40 <PriitM> or not.

11:14 <ChristmasCoder> going out to run the snowthrower - we just changed to rain, and I want to get the snow off the drive before it becomes soaked

11:14 <ChristmasCoder> bbl

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12:15 <xcamel> well.. here comes the storm....

12:15 <PovAddict> cool...?

12:15 <xcamel> big coastal storm... looks like a bunch of snow for us...

12:47 <ChristmasCoder> back inside

12:47 <ChristmasCoder> that was a bit tough - I was making slushy snow snakes with the snowthrower

12:47 <ChristmasCoder> thrower is a bad term - "oozer"

12:48 <ChristmasCoder> I'm hungry - bbiab

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13:37 <Sfan00> Hello

13:37 <Sfan00> What kinds of things can BOINC do?

13:38 <Sfan00> (apart from Fourier transfroms ;)

13:38 <Sfan00> )

13:38 <ChristianB> BOINC can do all you want because it's just a framework

13:39 <ChristianB> the project does the science

13:39 <Sfan00> OK

13:39 <ChristianB> There are several different projects available

13:39 <Sfan00> So How do I find someone that know anything about weather models...

13:39 <Sfan00> ?

13:39 <Tank_Master> http://www.setiusa.net/join

13:39 <Romulus> Title: Join Team SETI.USA (at www.setiusa.net)

13:40 <Tank_Master> there are 2 projects strictly doing weather

13:40 <Tank_Master> one is just about over though

13:40 <Sfan00> OK

13:40 <ChristianB> Here is a list of some of them http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php

13:40 <Romulus> Title: Choosing BOINC projects (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

13:40 <Tank_Master> the other, climateprediction.net, is the best one

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13:40 <Tank_Master> but the work units are large

13:41 <Tank_Master> the link I posted has even more, and a discription of the project

13:41 <Sfan00> What I was looking for was some kind of not big project....

13:41 <Sfan00> (in the way that mass climate prediction is)

13:41 <Tank_Master> APS may be the one you want then

13:41 <Sfan00> but more like one parralleled so that the dat got done quickly

13:41 <Tank_Master> but its not active atm because the project admin just got married

13:42 <Tank_Master> a climateprediction moddle will take several weeks to a few months to compleat

13:43 <Sfan00> SO How long does a model for say something smaller like the synopsis for the UK in the next 24 hours take?

13:44 <Tank_Master> there are no shirt term moddeling going on

13:44 <ChristianB> Tank_Master: Wasn't there a list with all projects and estimated runtims and requirements?

13:44 <Tank_Master> short*

13:44 <Sfan00> OK

13:45 <Tank_Master> CB: Zombie might have one

13:45 <Sfan00> It's not so much short term modelling, as needing 'fast' response by massively parralleling the computation

13:45 <Tank_Master> the climate modles got from 50 years past to 50 years in the future

13:45 <Tank_Master> (CPN)

13:46 <Tank_Master> the past to to ensure historical accuricy

13:46 <Tank_Master> if the modle dosnt acuretly reflect the past, then its deams as not a good moddle

13:51 <wdsmia> re-hi

13:52 <Tank_Master> wb

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15:09 <xcamel> looks like the coastal storm is starting to form....

15:18 <ChristmasCoder> un-good

15:19 <ChristmasCoder> the laptop repair has run into a problem - the laptop will not power on at all with the new inverter, and only get power lights with the old inverter

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15:49 <xcamel> too bad on the laptop...

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16:06 <ChristmasCoder> yeah - it'll have to go in to let the laptop repair guys finish it up

16:06 <ChristmasCoder> I'm trying to save money on this charity repair; at every turn it costs more

16:07 * ChristmasCoder sighs

16:07 <ChristmasCoder> as I said before "the things we do for love"

16:08 <efc> Didn't turn out well?

16:08 * efc reads log

16:08 <ChristmasCoder> new LCD is installed

16:09 <ChristmasCoder> having inverter woes

16:09 <efc> Inverter bad.. plug it in backwards

16:10 <ChristmasCoder> how will that help?

16:10 <PovAddict> inverted plug

16:10 <ChristmasCoder> that will probably let the smoke out of it

16:11 <ChristmasCoder> it's the smoke that makes these things work

16:11 * efc was Just Kidding on that one and disclaims all liability

16:12 <ChristmasCoder> here's what this puppy looks like  http://www.laptopking.com/inverter/554992.jpg

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16:13 <d00m1001> Hello

16:13 <ChristmasCoder> maybe I'm missing the big red letters

16:13 <ChristmasCoder> hello d00m1001

16:13 <d00m1001> I'm having a spot of trouble.

16:13 * PovAddict wonders if this channel was recently advertised somewhere

16:13 <ChristmasCoder> trouble seems to follow me around

16:14 <d00m1001> I'm using SETI@home at the moment, and, my downloads go for about 7 seconds and then restarts.

16:14 <d00m1001> restart*

16:14 <PovAddict> d00m1001: downloads?

16:14 <d00m1001> Sorry*

16:14 <d00m1001> Tasks*

16:14 <PovAddict> ah... hmm

16:15 <d00m1001> I'm kind of new to BOINC

16:15 <d00m1001> Have a spare laptop, thought I'd run it.

16:15 <d00m1001> Using Slackware linux.

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16:17 <PovAddict> go to http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php and give me your "account number"

16:17 <Romulus> Title: Please log in (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

16:17 <d00m1001> 8765611

16:17 <PovAddict> hmm SETI server kinda slow today

16:18 <d00m1001> Yeah.

16:18 <PovAddict> ok, doesn't really look like you have been returning lots of bad tasks, you only ever got one

16:18 <PovAddict> where do you notice the task restarting repeatedly?

16:18 <PovAddict> on some system process monitor, or on the BOINC Manager?

16:19 <d00m1001> BOINC Manager

16:19 <d00m1001> It keeps going back to 0%

16:19 <ChristmasCoder> what does boincmgr Message tab say?

16:19 <d00m1001> and the CPU time keeps going to 00:00:00

16:19 <PovAddict> ChristmasCoder: I wonder if he's using the Simple GUI

16:19 <d00m1001> I'm not

16:19 <d00m1001> It says Restarting Task

16:19 <d00m1001> if this happes repeatedly you may need to restart the process

16:19 <d00m1001> lol.

16:20 <d00m1001> There's my answer.

16:20 <ChristmasCoder> anything else?  "error"?

16:20 <PovAddict> hmm strange

16:20 <PovAddict> CPU?

16:20 <d00m1001> cpu??

16:20 <PovAddict> bah nevermind, I can check that myself from your account number

16:20 <d00m1001> Okay.

16:20 <PovAddict> hmm 128MB of RAM?

16:21 <d00m1001> Sounds right.

16:21 <ChristmasCoder> wow, I have 7 LHC WUs completed today

16:21 <PovAddict> @everybody, how much RAM does SETI use nowadays? I haven't ran SETI for a long while

16:22 <efc> Optimized client, 28.7 megs atm

16:22 <d00m1001> Well

16:22 <PovAddict> d00m1001: now i see you aborted that task and got another http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=4062100

16:22 <d00m1001> I restarted the Task..

16:22 <d00m1001> Well yeah.

16:22 <d00m1001> I aborted

16:22 <Romulus> Title: Tasks for computer (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

16:22 <d00m1001> And now it seems fine.

16:23 <PovAddict> maybe that task had problems

16:23 <d00m1001> Yeah.

16:24 <d00m1001> I was runing Rosetta earlier.

16:24 <d00m1001> But the tasks just completely crashed my comp.

16:24 <d00m1001> The Show graphics didn't work either.

16:24 <PovAddict> Rosetta needs more RAM than you have on that computer

16:24 <PovAddict> and it has no graphics for Linux currently

16:24 <d00m1001> I figured.

16:24 <d00m1001> Ohh.

16:24 <d00m1001> That would explain.

16:25 <d00m1001> Shoot.

16:25 <d00m1001> SETI Task ran for ~1min. restarted.

16:25 <d00m1001> Same problem again now.

16:26 <d00m1001> What @home uses the least RAM?

16:26 <PovAddict> I doubt your current problem is due to RAM...

16:27 <ChristmasCoder> I have S@H, er, "running" on host 2845972, Pentium 200, with 128MB RAM, under Ubuntu (large swap)

16:28 <efc> Yeah, it'll run on 80 MB too

16:28 <PovAddict> ChristmasCoder: "walking"?

16:28 <ChristmasCoder> just keeps the SETI candle lit in the cathedral of my heart

16:28 <efc> Win 95 or 2000, I forget which I had on there

16:28 <d00m1001> Hmm

16:28 <d00m1001> Wonder what the problem is then.

16:28 <ChristmasCoder> average turnaround = 8 days

16:28 <d00m1001> Think I should try it on Win?

16:28 <PovAddict> lol ChristmasCoder, 8 days??

16:29 <ChristmasCoder> less than "walking"

16:29 <ChristmasCoder> wouldn't want that candle to burn too quickly

16:30 <PovAddict> d00m1001: have you been starting the graphics?

16:30 <d00m1001> Yeah, it seems to 0 out when I show graphics.

16:30 <d00m1001> Which is kind of lame.

16:30 <PovAddict> then that's the prob...

16:30 <d00m1001> Yeah but...

16:30 <d00m1001> I kind of want to see them.

16:31 <PovAddict> SETI graphics are OpenGL

16:31 <ChristmasCoder> graphics grabs all memory?

16:31 <PovAddict> you don't exactly need a high-end graphics card, but you do need *some* 3D acceleration...

16:32 <d00m1001> Is there someone to get an alternate graphic? I guess... kind of like a still animation

16:32 <PovAddict> I see from the task logs that the tasks are returning:

16:32 <PovAddict> freeglut (screensaver): Unable to create direct context rendering for window 'setiathome_enhanced version 5.27 [workunit: 30ja07ad.11177.25021.3.6.36]' This may hurt performance.

16:32 <PovAddict> oh btw, you also need proper drivers, which may be hard to find for some gfx cards under Linux

16:33 <d00m1001> Think I should try Win?

16:33 <PovAddict> you could try...

16:33 <ChristmasCoder> wife just said "dinner in 5 minutes" - bbl

16:33 <PovAddict> future versions of SETI (= those supporting BOINC 6.0) may allow 3rd party graphic apps

16:34 <d00m1001> Yeah... I'll try windows.

16:34 <d00m1001> Probably Windows Server 2000

16:34 <d00m1001> 2003*

16:42 <efc> Hmm, haven't read about another big credit card breach, but i bet there was one

16:49 <d00m1001> Ahhh

16:49 <d00m1001> The beauty of having 3 computers in a room.

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16:57 <ChristmasCoder> back

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17:00 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

17:00 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 19F / -7C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow. North wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow in the evening. Low 5 to 10 above. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. High in the lower 20s. (1 more message)

17:00 * xcamel yawns

17:00 <wdsmia> &more

17:00 <Romulus> wdsmia: Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;

17:01 <xcamel> now there is a huge slug of rain headed up through georgia

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17:02 <xcamel> storm warnings up all over now...

17:03 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin

17:03 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.74in / 1041hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 10:50 PM CET; Clear. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Clear. Low:26 F. / -3 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:28 F. / -2 C.;

17:03 <efc> Awesome, we need the rain, bring it on

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17:03 <efc> You call that a storm?! Is that the best you can ?!

17:03 * efc tries to psyche out nature

17:04 * wdsmia reminds efc its not nice to fool with mother nature

17:05 <xcamel> http://wten.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/special.jpg

17:05 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Io0> (at wten.images.worldnow.com)

17:06 <xcamel> it may change a bit though

17:06 <d00m1001> &weather 85086

17:06 <Romulus> d00m1001: Temperature: 58.7F / 14.8C | Humidity: 24% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs 53 to 58. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 30 to 40. Light wind in the evening... becoming north 5 to 15 mph after midnight.; Sunday - Sunny and warmer. Highs 59 to 64. East wind 5 to 15 mph.;

17:07 <d00m1001> Lies.

17:07 <d00m1001> My Linux temp. says 55.9

17:08 <ChristmasCoder> &weather 45140

17:08 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 32.9F / 0.5C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1010.7hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Rain. Freezing rain and snow likely after midnight. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches with light ice accumulation. Lows around 30. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming north 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph late. Chance of (2 more messages)

17:08 <ChristmasCoder> &more

17:08 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: precipitation 100 percent.; Sunday - Snow likely. Total accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Blustery with highs around 30. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 45 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Cooler with lows around 20. West winds 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph in the evening. (1 more message)

17:08 <d00m1001> Snow?

17:08 <d00m1001> Ugh...

17:08 <ChristmasCoder> &more

17:08 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Chance of snow 20 percent.; Winter Weather Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 6:00 PM EST on December 15, 2007;

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17:09 <d00m1001> What state is that?

17:09 <ChristmasCoder> Ohio

17:09 <d00m1001> Ah.

17:09 <d00m1001> <- Arizona

17:09 <BadBarbarian> lol

17:09 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

17:09 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 39.6F / 4.2C | Humidity: 30% | Pressure: 23.71in / 802.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 3.6mph / 5.8km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs 33 to 41. Light winds becoming east around 15 mph early in the afternoon...then becoming light late in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows -5 to 5. Light winds.; Sunday - Not as cold. Mostly sunny. Highs 41 to (1 more message)

17:09 <BadBarbarian> &more

17:09 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 47. Light winds.;

17:10 <BadBarbarian> theres arizona for you

17:10 <d00m1001> Sierra Vista?

17:10 <BadBarbarian> Williams

17:10 <d00m1001> Oh.

17:10 <xcamel> I'd take 55 about now... 75 would be nicer..

17:10 <d00m1001> I only know Phoenix and Tucson area codes.

17:11 <xcamel> &weather 12074

17:11 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 12.9F / -10.6C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.55in / 1034.4hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - A slight chance of snow this evening...then snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Lows around 17. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Sunday - Sleet and freezing rain. Snow. Additional snow and sleet (2 more messages)

17:12 <xcamel> &more

17:12 <Romulus> xcamel: accumulation of 3 to 6 inches. Ice accumulation around one quarter of an inch. Cold with highs in the upper 20s. East winds around 15 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Sunday Night - Snow. Total accumulation of 5 to 10 inches. Lows around 17. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming west 10 to 20 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Saratoga County in (1 more message)

17:12 <xcamel> &more

17:12 <Romulus> xcamel: effect until 7:00 AM EST on December 17, 2007;

17:12 <BadBarbarian> your getting pounded like we were 3 days ago xcamel

17:12 <BadBarbarian> same storm

17:13 <xcamel> with allot more cols and available moisture coming in...

17:14 <xcamel> er cold air, that is...

17:14 <xcamel> tomorrow will be the "pounding"

17:14 <xcamel> on into monday..

17:15 <ChristmasCoder> this is a bit different   http://www.usbcell.com/

17:15 <Romulus> Title: usbcell - revolutionary rechargeable usb battery that can charge from any USB port (at www.usbcell.com)

17:15 <ChristmasCoder> seems handy

17:18 <xcamel> USBCELL used for corporate eco-Events, Featured at the Clinton Global Initiative << that puts it on my "junk" list...

17:20 <ChristmasCoder> ah

17:21 <ChristmasCoder> would be nice for my wireless mouse that I use with the company laptop

17:23 <ChristmasCoder> bbl

17:27 * ChristianB|away is back.

17:27 *** ChristianB|away is now known as ChristianB

17:38 <PriitM> sweet, i'm getting ping of 25ms to my ISP server

17:45 <xcamel> fairly quick

17:47 <ChristianB> Hi

17:48 <ChristianB> xcamel: Do you know a java irc client that is used to connect easily to this channel?

17:48 <PovAddict> there's many java applets online that you can connect to any server

17:48 <xcamel> almost any java client will connect...

17:49 <PovAddict> or, ircatwork.com, which is a public cgi:irc (doesn't need Java)

17:53 <ChristianB> thx

17:54 <xcamel> too damn cold for december..

17:54 <xcamel> 12F

17:57 <wdsmia> Just wait till Jan and Feb

17:57 <xcamel> thrillsville...

17:58 <bryanUC> xcamel: I'd take cold over sleet/freezing rain

17:58 <bryanUC> &weather 43016

17:58 <Romulus> bryanUC: Temperature: 32F / 0C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Light Freezing Rain | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Rain. Freezing rain and snow after midnight. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches with light ice accumulation. Lows in the lower 30s. East winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming south with gusts up to 20 mph late. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; (2 more messages)

17:58 <bryanUC> &more

17:58 <Romulus> bryanUC: Sunday - Snow with a chance of freezing rain in the morning... changing to all snow in the afternoon. Total accumulation of 4 to 6 inches. Blustery with highs in the lower 30s. West winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph...increasing to 50 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow in the evening... then a slight chance of snow after (1 more message)

17:58 <bryanUC> heh, now we're going to get snow all day & night tomorrow?

17:59 <bryanUC> hmm, snow day?

17:59 <bryanUC> &more

17:59 <Romulus> bryanUC: midnight. Blustery and colder with lows in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 50 mph...decreasing to 35 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Franklin County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on December 16, 2007; Wind Advisory for Franklin County in effect until 6:00 PM EST on December 16, 2007;

17:59 <bryanUC> yeah, I'd take 12F over this

17:59 <xcamel> &zipinfo 43016

17:59 <Romulus> xcamel: City: Dublin; State: OH; County: Franklin; Area Code: 614; Time Zone: EST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 40.1249 (North); Longitude: 83.0956 (West)

17:59 <xcamel> still snowing there?

17:59 <bryanUC> switched to sleet & freezing rain

17:59 <bryanUC> got about 3" of snow before it changed over around 3:30pm

18:00 <bryanUC> now it's a nice icy mixutre

18:00 <xcamel> we could get 12-20" of snow tomorrow..

18:00 <bryanUC> that would be awesome

18:00 <bryanUC> last year we had a 12" storm...last 20"+ was in '03

18:00 <xcamel> you don't have to clean it all up...

18:00 <bryanUC> heh, no...I pay people to do it

18:00 <bryanUC> well, not directly

18:01 <xcamel> it's not going to be pretty...

18:02 <bryanUC> where are you?

18:02 <bryanUC> obviously somewhere north/colder

18:02 <xcamel> upstate ny

18:02 <bryanUC> heh

18:02 <bryanUC> I thought you guys still play golf in 12" snow up there

18:02 <xcamel> north of Albany

18:02 <bryanUC> bad-asses

18:02 <xcamel> frozen-asses

18:02 <bryanUC> lol

18:02 <bryanUC> yeah, my fiance's cousin is getting married the 3rd weekend in January....in VERMONT

18:02 <bryanUC> who does that

18:02 <bryanUC> lol

18:02 <bryanUC> there's a travel nightmare waiting to happenj

18:03 <xcamel> uh-huh.

18:03 <efc> Maybe there's schedule pressure :)

18:03 <xcamel> you getting rain now e?

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18:04 <efc> Good rain

18:05 <IRCTester> It's working

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18:11 <ChristmasCoder> ah

18:12 <ChristmasCoder> ..WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS CANCELLED...

18:12 <ChristmasCoder> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN WILMINGTON HAS CANCELLED THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY. TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN ABOVE FREEZING THIS EVENING. RAIN WILL CHANGE OVER TO SNOW EARLY SUNDAY MORNING WITH ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATION OF LESS THAN AN INCH.

18:14 <bryanUC> ChristmasCoder: how far south are you?

18:15 <ChristianB> Where can I find FAQ's for BOINC and/or projects?

18:15 <ChristianB> Is the inofficial wiki still maintained?

18:15 <PovAddict> sort of

18:15 <PovAddict> there is also http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/

18:15 <Romulus> Title: BOINC FAQ Service (at boincfaq.mundayweb.com)

18:16 <xcamel> lucky you, Don..

18:22 <ChristmasCoder> yep

18:22 <ChristmasCoder> I am in Cincinnati, bryanUC

18:22 <ChristmasCoder> &weather Manchester, NH

18:22 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 18F / -8C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 30.57in / 1035hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Lows around 17. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Sunday - Snow in the morning...then rain...snow and sleet in the afternoon. Precipitation may be (2 more messages)

18:23 <ChristmasCoder> &more

18:23 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: heavy at times in the afternoon. Additional snow and sleet accumulation of 3 to 5 inches. Not as cool with highs in the lower 30s. Northeast winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Rain...freezing rain likely with a chance of snow in the evening. Total accumulation of 6 to 10 inches possible. Brisk with lows in the (1 more message)

18:23 <ChristmasCoder> &more

18:23 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: lower 20s. North winds 15 to 25 mph...becoming west around 15 mph after midnight. Gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Hillsborough County in effect until 7:00 PM EST on December 16, 2007;

18:25 <ChristmasCoder> we have a guest (supposedly) flying out of Manchester tomorrow morning to Cincinnati

18:29 <ChristmasCoder> &weather Chelmsford, MA

18:29 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 16.7F / -8.5C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.49in / 1032.4hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Lows around 18. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Sunday - Snow...sleet and freezing rain in the morning...then rain with a chance of sleet in the (2 more messages)

18:29 <ChristmasCoder> &more

18:29 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: afternoon. Precipitation may be heavy at times in the afternoon. Additional snow and sleet accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Brisk and not as cool with highs in the mid 30s. Northeast winds 10 to 20 mph...increasing to 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Rain...freezing rain likely with a chance of snow in the (1 more message)

18:29 <ChristmasCoder> &more

18:29 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: evening. Total accumulation of 4 to 6 inches possible. Brisk with lows in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Middlesex County in effect until 7:00 PM EST on December 16, 2007;

18:31 <ChristianB> @all: If someone wants a place where he/she can find some help or advise for BOINC and/or the projects what places would you suggest? (apart from this channel)

18:32 <ChristianB> I already have:

18:32 <ChristianB> BOINC online help

18:32 <ChristianB> this channel

18:32 <ChristianB> unofficial BOINC Wiki

18:32 <ChristianB> boinc FAQ service (mundayweb)

18:33 <ChristianB> anything else to mention?

18:34 <yoyo[RKN]> the forum of the attached project and the boinc forum

18:35 <ChristianB> which boinc forum?

18:35 <ChristianB> the .edu/dev ?

18:35 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/

18:35 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Message boardsBOINC Message boards (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

18:36 <yoyo[RKN]> yes this one

18:36 <ChristianB> Is it realy used?

18:36 <PovAddict> see the Last Post timestamps...

18:46 <ChristianB> http://blog.os-tools.net/?p=32&preview=true

18:46 <Romulus> Title: open-source Notes Blog Archive (at blog.os-tools.net)

18:47 <ChristianB> can so0meone proof read this plz?

18:48 <PovAddict> "Sorry, no posts matched your criteria."

18:50 <ChristianB> oops, it's just working if you're logged in.

18:50 <ChristianB> Ok I'll publish it and correct it afterwards

18:52 <ChristianB> It's online now: http://blog.os-tools.net/?p=32

18:52 <Romulus> Title: open-source Notes Blog Archive Where do I get BOINC support? (at blog.os-tools.net)

18:57 * ChristianB is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.

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18:57 <PovAddict> well, works

18:57 <BadBarbarian> evening Pov

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19:10 <wdsmia> 1,071,372 @QMC sorry Jay :)

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20:18 <xcamel> back again ish

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20:28 <RedBlade7> hi, i just came back to boinc (installed it on a new computer), it's a core 2 duo, and i'm having a problem: the projects are stuck at 0% and the time remaning increases. i am running the linux client.

20:29 <RedBlade7> currently "yoyo" and "enigma" are doing this

20:29 <RedBlade7> is it running in the background?

20:31 <Tannk_Master> make sore the clisent isnt set to "suspend while use is active"

20:31 <Tannk_Master> user*

20:31 <Tannk_Master> that would be in your project settings

20:34 <xcamel> which project(s)?

20:34 <RedBlade7> right now, yoyo@home and enigma@home

20:39 <xcamel> yup - check your project prefs at the project websites

20:40 <RedBlade7> ok, thanks, it works now

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20:44 <xcamel> another satisfied customer

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21:45 <d00m1001> Hey giys

21:45 <d00m1001> guys*

21:45 <d00m1001> I can't make an account on climateprediction

21:45 <d00m1001> Is there an online form?

21:46 <PovAddict> are you trying to make the account from the manager?

21:46 <d00m1001> Yeah

21:46 <d00m1001> Btw PovAddict

21:46 <PovAddict> what URL are you using?

21:46 <d00m1001> Windows worked, thanks.

21:46 <d00m1001> PovAddict, It's on the BOINC Manager

21:46 <d00m1001> I just highlight Climateprediction.net

21:46 <PovAddict> ah yes...

21:47 <d00m1001> Some sites have an o-line reg form thoguh

21:47 <d00m1001> though*

21:47 <PovAddict> what error do you get with the manager?

21:47 <d00m1001> NEvermind

21:47 <d00m1001> I was successfully attatched.

21:47 <d00m1001> :s...

21:47 <d00m1001> go figure.

21:56 <d00m1001> Can you run two graphics at once?

22:03 <d00m1001> Cause when I start my climateprediction graphic, I can't look at my SETI anymore.

22:05 <mweltin> hey

22:06 <d00m1001> Actually, how do you get two projects running at once.

22:06 <d00m1001> two tasks*

22:07 <mweltin> I don't see how you could run to graphics at once

22:08 <mweltin> I'm looking at my boin mangaer now

22:08 <mweltin> I'm only signed up for one project

22:08 <mweltin> which manager view are you using d00m1001

22:08 <d00m1001> Advanced

22:08 <mweltin> god

22:08 <mweltin> good

22:09 <d00m1001> I just want to run two tasks at once.

22:09 <mweltin> I think you can only run one task at a time

22:10 <mweltin> In the boinc manager prferences

22:10 <mweltin> it has a setting

22:10 <mweltin> "switch between applications between every" x # of minutes.

22:10 <mweltin> you can download lots of tasks and have them waiting to be worked on

22:11 <mweltin> but I think you only run one at a time.

22:11 <d00m1001> Dang

22:11 <mweltin> unless you have multiple cores

22:11 <d00m1001> Will the graphics automatically popup?

22:11 <mweltin> which is getting very common.

22:11 <mweltin> I have no idea about graphics, sorry.

22:11 <mweltin> I would assume so.

22:11 <mweltin> you are talking about the screen savers?

22:11 <d00m1001> Yes

22:12 <mweltin> yes they should appear automaticly.

22:12 <mweltin> what OS do you have?

22:12 <d00m1001> I know how to set the screen saver

22:12 <mweltin> good

22:13 <d00m1001> I have several machines by the way

22:13 <d00m1001> The one with Boinc is windows server 2003

22:13 <mweltin> why don't you run it on all of them?

22:14 <d00m1001> Cause I use all my other machines :)

22:14 <d00m1001> I devote my whole boinc machines to boinc

22:14 <d00m1001> machine*

22:14 <mweltin> well at least you do that.  BOINC projects thank you for that.

22:14 <d00m1001> Yeah

22:15 <MTughan> 'lo mweltin

22:15 <MTughan> 'lo d00m1001

22:15 <d00m1001> 'lol

22:15 <d00m1001> ;lo*

22:15 <mweltin> MTughan!

22:15 <d00m1001> Time for dinner though.

22:15 <mweltin> later

22:15 <PovAddict> d00m1001: to run two tasks together, buy a dualcore :)

22:15 <PovAddict> hi MTughan!

22:16 <MTughan> 'lo Pov

22:16 <mweltin> Guess what guys!

22:16 <MTughan> Oh, is GA done?

22:16 <mweltin> yes, but better than that.

22:16 <PovAddict> omg I downloaded 42MB?

22:16 <mweltin> My friend is going to get me a vitural server state side for Christmas.

22:17 <mweltin> T1 here I come.

22:17 <MTughan> Yay! ^^

22:17 <PovAddict> omg insanity

22:17 <PovAddict> 20MB xml

22:17 <mweltin> I know!

22:17 <mweltin> ouch

22:17 <MTughan> Hey, at least it's not 1.7GB.

22:17 <mweltin> let me guess 20KB of real data.

22:18 <PovAddict> it has a list of files

22:18 <PovAddict> URL to get the file from

22:18 <PovAddict> and MD5 hash

22:18 <PovAddict> thing is, it's 58454 files

22:18 <mweltin> what is it?

22:19 <PovAddict> a metalink of netbsd

22:19 <MTughan> It's a download file, showing different parts for a file, if I'm not mistaken.

22:19 <PovAddict> http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/pub/pub/metalinks/netbsd.metalink

22:19 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1IpM> (at ftp.iasi.roedu.net)

22:19 <PovAddict> it would be so much more efficient if it those files were tar'd...

22:20 <MTughan> mweltin: You said GA was done. Are you wanting apps for it?

22:20 <PovAddict> ok 571 files crawled

22:20 <mweltin> I'm still trying to dial in the population size and number of generations.

22:20 <PovAddict> (ab)using google

22:20 <MTughan> Okay.

22:20 <mweltin> 10,000 pop size and 1 million generations was too long

22:21 <mweltin> I stopped it after 26 hours.

22:21 <PovAddict> you should print to stderr the generation number

22:21 <PovAddict> so you know progress

22:21 <PovAddict> mainly, so you know if you should lower it by a 10 factor or a 1000 factor :)

22:21 <mweltin> I'm trying 100k generations now.

22:22 <PovAddict> if it's calculating 10 generations per minute, you're in trouble

22:22 <mweltin> as always PovAddict good call

22:22 <mweltin> its been running for 2 hours now.

22:23 <MTughan> All right, bbiab. Getting some food.

22:23 <mweltin> late MTughan

22:23 <PovAddict> ok I have these 571 XML files to parse and check for validity

22:24 <mweltin> the validity should be easy.

22:24 <mweltin> just xml validity or data validity?

22:24 <PovAddict> one step at a time :) first check if they're well-formed XML

22:24 <mweltin> that should be easy

22:25 <mweltin> there are several apps to do that.

22:25 <mweltin> expat comes with one wfx or wfm I forget

22:25 <mweltin> something like that.

22:26 <mweltin> xmlwf                (1)  - Determines if an XML document is well-formed

22:26 <mweltin> I added some features to the "eye candy" for tsp

22:26 <mweltin> a couple div's that show some meta data on the path found.

22:29 <Soul_keeper> hey PovAddict  do you code in C ?

22:29 <Soul_keeper> i an having a small precedence issue

22:29 <Soul_keeper> am*

22:29 <mweltin> I do sometimes

22:29 <mweltin> use ()

22:29 <Soul_keeper>         printf("\nRunning ALU tests(2 for now):");

22:29 <Soul_keeper>         system("aludir/lsalu");

22:30 <Soul_keeper> the system  is getting executed before printf

22:30 <MTughan> How can you tell?

22:30 <Soul_keeper> well it is getting displayed after it runs

22:30 <mweltin> did you compile with optimizations?

22:30 <Soul_keeper> yes

22:30 <mweltin> that may be why

22:30 <Soul_keeper> figures

22:30 <PovAddict> mweltin: gcc is smart enough not to reorder stuff if it causes different results

22:30 <mweltin> try it without the -O

22:31 <Soul_keeper> i had this issue once before and just thru a sleep(3); in there and it went away ...

22:31 <Soul_keeper> thanks

22:31 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: I think stdout is getting flushed on a newline, and you aren't printing a newline *after* the "Running ALU tests", so you need to fflush(stdout) after the printf

22:31 <Soul_keeper> i'll just have to put the printf in the called program

22:32 <mweltin> in C++ I switch from cout to cerr

22:32 <mweltin> flush the buffer right away if you call cerr.

22:32 <mweltin> cout gets pushed out when it feels like it.

22:32 <MTughan> But cerr is for a specific purpose, not for general messages.

22:32 <mweltin> true

22:32 <PovAddict> mweltin: in C++, endl is actually "\n"-and-flush-the-buffer

22:32 <MTughan> That's what cout is for.

22:33 <MTughan> Or stdout as known in C and Java.

22:33 <mweltin> I use endl and have still had to switch.

22:33 <mweltin> Soul_keeper,  is not using either

22:34 <MTughan> C doesn't have cout, cerr, or endl.

22:34 <Soul_keeper> :)

22:34 <mweltin> his results wouldn't chagne if you chagned the order

22:34 <Soul_keeper> i'll just have to reaarange my code to conform, doing it now,  or compile without the ops

22:34 <mweltin> the printf doesn' rely on anything from the system call.

22:34 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Try the fflush(stdout) first.

22:35 <Soul_keeper> before printf ?

22:35 <mweltin> try the without ops.  I'm curious.

22:35 <MTughan> After.

22:35 <mweltin> after

22:35 <Soul_keeper> after each instance ?

22:35 <mweltin> PovAddict, is more than likely right.

22:35 <Soul_keeper> i have like 7 of this setups

22:35 <MTughan> Just try it on that one first.

22:35 <mweltin> only when you want to make sure it get printed.

22:35 <PovAddict> there should be a way to disable buffering too

22:38 <Soul_keeper> hmmm it seems to have worked

22:38 <mweltin> what did you try?

22:38 <Soul_keeper> nice

22:38 <MTughan> fflush(stdout)

22:39 <mweltin> fflush good to know.

22:39 <Soul_keeper> now i can get onto the next phase of my program

22:39 <Soul_keeper> :)

22:40 <d00m1001> Hey guys

22:40 <d00m1001> With SETI

22:40 <d00m1001> if you find aliens

22:40 <d00m1001> Do you win a prize?

22:40 <MTughan> PovAddict: Look up setvbuf. Can turn off buffering.

22:40 <mweltin> yes, the cia comes to your house and you are never seen again.

22:40 <d00m1001> Hahah

22:40 <MTughan> d00m1001: First, I have no idea. Second, you can type more than a few words on a line. :P

22:41 <mweltin> I hear they will take you to a "happy palce"

22:41 <MTughan> Gitmo?

22:41 <d00m1001> Sorry MTughan

22:41 <PovAddict> d00m1001: the possibility is so remote that I don't think they thought about it :)

22:41 <d00m1001> It never hurts to dream PovAddict

22:41 <MTughan> Do they take you to Gitmo?

22:41 <d00m1001> I wonder if theres some way to alert you though.

22:41 <mweltin> no you might get seen there.

22:42 <MTughan> PovAddict: Looks like setvbuf(stdout, NULL, _IONBF, 10) oughta turn off buffering.

22:42 <PovAddict> I'm sure if you find it, they would spend months quadruple-checking it before it even goes public...

22:44 <d00m1001> PovAddict, probably..

22:46 <mweltin> hwo hard is a screen saver to make?

22:46 <d00m1001> Like, your own screen saver?

22:46 <mweltin> no for a BOINC project

22:46 <d00m1001> I wouldn't even know where to start.

22:47 <PovAddict> mweltin: no BOINC-specific code needed

22:47 <d00m1001> That would be a cool idea though... A custom BOINC screen saver skin site.

22:47 <mweltin> you just the wxWidgets or what?

22:48 <mweltin> do you need different ones for different platforms?

22:48 <PovAddict> mweltin: do you know any library that lets you do full screen *and* windowed graphics? most projects use OpenGL and GLUT

22:48 <mweltin> if so there is no way that will happen for TSP

22:49 <mweltin> I know about OpenGL and GLUT but only used OpenGL once a few years ago.

22:49 <PovAddict> for OpenGL I would personally stay away from GLUT (where it's hard to get anything done without resorting to global variables) and use SDL instead

22:49 <mweltin> is SDL a wrapper around OpenGL or what?

22:50 <mweltin> how does it tie in with the running app?

22:50 <PovAddict> well, it handles the "opening a window" and "handling events" parts, like GLUT

22:50 <PovAddict> and a lot of other stuff, for non-GL apps for example

22:50 <PovAddict> it's mostly oriented for games

22:51 <PovAddict> access to joysticks, cross-platform threads...

22:51 <mweltin> so can I write just one screen saver for all platforms?

22:52 <PovAddict> sure, or not

22:52 <PovAddict> your choice

22:52 <mweltin> will they have users have to download other libs to get it to work?

22:52 <PovAddict> OpenGL is bundled on most OSs

22:52 <mweltin> I made a gui with GTK once

22:52 <PovAddict> and you can bundle other libraries with your app...

22:53 <mweltin> was a pain in the butt to get anyone to use it bacuse htey have to intall some GTK libs.  I already had them for gimp, but didn't realize it was going to so hard for other folks to use.

22:53 <PovAddict> well, gimp installer comes with gtk libs

22:53 <PovAddict> you could make your own app come with gtk libs as well, simple :)

22:53 <mweltin> I noticed there is a defaul BOINC screen saver.

22:53 <Soul_keeper> as far as a program's version is concerned x.y.z  would y be considered a subversion ?  what names would you give to x y and z ?

22:54 <mweltin> will that call my screen saver?

22:54 <PovAddict> mweltin: yes

22:54 <Soul_keeper> x = major version y = subversion z = minor version  ?

22:54 <PovAddict> x is major, y is minor, not sure what z would be

22:55 <mweltin> ok so I don't have to make a different apps.  just a screen saver.

22:55 <MTughan> Revision?

22:55 <PovAddict> mweltin: a screensaver is a separate app currently

22:55 <mweltin> how would I access the slot dir ?

22:55 <mweltin> I figure I coudl put some dynamic data there.

22:56 <PovAddict> mweltin: actually, it would be more efficient to make both apps talk to each other without having to use files (like having screensaver read checkpoint)

22:56 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: wikipedia says: major.minor[.revision[.build]]

22:56 <Soul_keeper> ok thanks

22:57 <mweltin> that souds like ti will require OS specific stuff.

22:57 <Soul_keeper> well i'm not ready yet for a major version, yet the addition of a gtk frontend and a new modular design  warrants the most substantial version change i'm ready for i suppose

22:58 <PovAddict> mweltin: BOINC provides x-platform calls to use shared memory

22:58 <PovAddict> (wrapping around the platform-specific code)

22:58 <mweltin> good times

22:59 <mweltin> now if I can just find some sucker to build it for me.

23:01 <mweltin> does the boinc code come with an example screensaver?  It has samples for everything else.

23:01 <PovAddict> the sample uppercase application has graphics

23:02 <mweltin> right on

23:02 <mweltin> not sure why I want to bother, but it seems cool.

23:05 <mweltin> I'm off for a nap

23:05 <mweltin> later

23:05 <MTughan> Bye.

23:05 <mweltin> my dog ate a bunch of trash yesterday.

23:05 <mweltin> he got mud butt real bad and kept waking me up to let him out.

23:05 <mweltin> later

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23:13 <MTughan> Gah... It's not my internet that's the problem here. Turns out it's my damn wireless connection.

23:14 <MTughan> Says I have full (or nearly full) signal strength, but it can't be that with the way it's dropping out.

23:16 <MTughan> And just dropped again. >_>

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23:33 <MTughan> That should help. Got a wireless repeater in place.

23:41 <MTughan> Wow... Disk Utility will not make a disk image of a CD for the life of me. I have to resort to command-line tools for this. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

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23:45 <Soul_keeper> "i'm jewish miss sanderson, there is no hell!"

23:46 <MTughan> Movie?

23:47 <Soul_keeper> law and order (some lawyer), just thought that was funny

23:47 <MTughan> Ah. lol

23:47 <Soul_keeper> hmmm gtk is confusing me

23:48 <Soul_keeper> signal handlers  bla

23:48 <MTughan> Damn mousepad.

23:50 <Soul_keeper> g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (button), "clicked", G_CALLBACK (callback), (gpointer) "button 1");

23:50 <Bad_At_Home_> evening everyone

23:50 <MTughan> 'lo BAH

23:51 <Soul_keeper> i need to modify/remove/replace that in some way so it just calls a  function();  of my choice instead of delivering data to that static void callback()

23:51 <Bad_At_Home_> Bah ?

23:51 <Bad_At_Home_> ok lol

23:51 <MTughan> Bad_At_Home_.

23:51 <MTughan> BAH.

23:51 <Bad_At_Home_> wasup in somoa

23:51 <Bad_At_Home_> my spelling sucks

23:52 <d00m1001> Hey, are your tasks usually very long? Such as, take about 870 hours to complete 1.

23:52 <Bad_At_Home_> what wu

23:52 <d00m1001> Any

23:52 <Bad_At_Home_> cpn

23:53 <Bad_At_Home_> i dont do bbc climate change

23:53 <Bad_At_Home_> thats the only one i know thats that long

23:53 <d00m1001> Yeah..

23:53 <d00m1001> The climate one is.

23:53 <Bad_At_Home_> yep

23:53 <d00m1001> My other ones are 31-71 hours.

23:53 <MTughan> Ah, dammit. ISO's either corrupted or ripped wrong. >_>

23:53 <Bad_At_Home_> mega credits though\

23:54 <d00m1001> Do 30-70 hours sound right?

23:54 <d00m1001> For Einstein and SETI

23:54 <MTughan> I usually get 16h WUs for E@H.

23:54 <Bad_At_Home_> 4 hrs seti onan 3200 moble amd

23:54 <d00m1001> I guess my computer is just lacking.

23:54 <Bad_At_Home_> for seti

23:54 <d00m1001> 128MB RAM

23:54 <Bad_At_Home_> ow

23:55 <Bad_At_Home_> thats a problem

23:55 <d00m1001> I dedicated a spare lappy to BOINC

23:55 <d00m1001> So, it works.

23:55 <d00m1001> Just kind of slow....

23:55 <Bad_At_Home_> what cpu

23:55 <d00m1001> Whatever though right? Doesn't really matter, as long as it gets the job done.

23:55 <Bad_At_Home_> what cpu

23:56 <d00m1001> GenuineIntel

23:56 <d00m1001> Pentium III (Coppermine) [Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 10]

23:56 <Bad_At_Home_> have you got ducks seti app

23:56 <efc> Those were good ones

23:57 <d00m1001> ducks seti app? no.

23:57 <Bad_At_Home_> you running seti

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23:57 <d00m1001> Yeah

23:58 <Bad_At_Home_> wait one will have a link

23:58 <Soul_keeper> wow i'm completely not getting the information i want from reference manuals

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