IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2007-12-16

00:00 <Bad_At_Home_> do you have cpuz d00

00:01 <Bad_At_Home_> heres the link but you need to know what your cpu will do lol

00:02 <Bad_At_Home_>

00:02 <Romulus> Title: Seti@Home optimized science apps and information (at

00:03 <Bad_At_Home_> run cpuz and it will tell you what your cpu can do and than pick from the website

00:03 <Bad_At_Home_> i think sse2 intel not sure though

00:04 <Bad_At_Home_> mite be sse

00:11 <d00m1001> Well

00:11 <d00m1001> that's okay.

00:11 <d00m1001> I can actually wait the 30 hours.

00:11 <d00m1001> That whole computer is dedicated to boinc anyways.

00:14 <Bad_At_Home_> np close boinc than copy files to boinc/seti

00:15 <Bad_At_Home_> mat cut your crunch time in half

00:15 <Bad_At_Home_> may

00:17 <d00m1001> How many projects do you run?

00:18 <d00m1001> Jeez

00:18 <d00m1001> Climateprediction is due about a year from now...

00:18 <d00m1001> That's a looong time.

00:27 <Soul_keeper> i think i need to take a break from coding and go buy some ice cream

00:31 <d00m1001> Ice Cream is always good.

00:44 <d00m1001> How come in E@H, it doesn't actually do anything in screen saver mode.

00:44 <d00m1001> I have to be out of it for it to progress any.

01:21 <MTughan> I'm off to bed. XP updates in VMware is estimated to take 1h13m to download. :P

01:22 <Tannk_Master> wow

01:22 <Tannk_Master> what connection do you have?

01:22 <MTughan> It's an ADSL.

01:22 <MTughan> We can usually get between 450 and 500 KB/s download rates.

01:22 <Tannk_Master> not to bad...

01:23 <MTughan> Nice... Tannk_Master? Two "n"'s?

01:24 <Tannk_Master> wtf?

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01:25 <Tank_Master> somehow my alt nick got changed

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02:16 <Tank_Master> talk about a crappy day

02:16 <Tank_Master>

02:16 <Romulus> <> (at

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02:38 <Tank_Master> MT!

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02:53 <efc> scifi continues to plumb the depths

02:55 <Tank_Master> ?

02:56 <efc> Showdown in Area 51

02:56 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:56 <Tank_Master> didnt watch it

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02:57 <Tank_Master> lol

02:57 <Tank_Master> ok

02:58 <efc> Let's sit around talking during the time-critical situation

02:58 <efc> Let's shoot the unkillable monster long after it obviously has no effect

02:59 <efc> at least the chick was cute

03:00 <efc> I rate her a 4 day stay at the ski resort

03:05 <efc> ah, she was the goth chick from farscape

03:05 <efc> The ship is under attack! Violently shake the camera!

03:06 <Tank_Master> lol

03:06 <Tank_Master> theres anexplosing in space! make loud boom!

03:07 <efc> This one is Mars, which suprisingly, has earth-like gravity

03:07 * efc hypothesizes the effect on sag

03:10 <efc> Need a movie to explore that

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03:14 <efc> I think they got House M.D. to be their captain

03:18 <efc> nice, explosive decompression

03:26 <LumpyLarry> Merry Ho Ho to me - 2 750 gig HD's for a little less than 400

03:26 <Tank_Master> not bad

03:26 <Tank_Master> but I say a 1TB external HD of costco tofay for $250

03:26 <Tank_Master> saw*

03:26 <LumpyLarry> not as good as i hoped but still better than expected

03:26 <LumpyLarry> hummm

03:27 <Tank_Master> yess, 2 of those would be more, but this is external...

03:27 <LumpyLarry> lol these internals for next machine i'm putting together

03:28 <LumpyLarry> 16 mb cache 7200 rpm up to 3 gb transfers

03:28 * efc doesn't have that much stuff to store

03:28 <Tank_Master> the 3gb xfer is just fromt hat 16mb cache to the mobo

03:28 <LumpyLarry> neither do i - figure will partition into 3 drives each

03:28 <LumpyLarry> probably

03:29 <Tank_Master> and I noticed my seageates had a jumper on them limiting them to 1.5gb

03:29 <LumpyLarry> will have to look as these are seagates also

03:29 <efc> 1.5 gig?

03:29 <LumpyLarry> show a default of jumper to limit but still 1.5gb more than i would consivable need

03:30 <LumpyLarry> xfer rates efc

03:30 <Tank_Master> yeah

03:30 <Tank_Master> xfer

03:30 <efc> Oh, hmm, what a useful jumper

03:30 <Tank_Master> but it wont make one bit of difference in performance

03:30 <Tank_Master> lol, no kidding

03:30 <LumpyLarry> nope

03:31 * LumpyLarry wonders how many connections would get scambled like eggs if not limited

03:32 <LumpyLarry> ohh look at that 12 lane superhighway with 1000 car pileup

03:32 <LumpyLarry> right under the GB sign

03:34 <efc> network drives?

03:36 * LumpyLarry not sure how to set those up

03:36 <Tank_Master> just plug it into the switch

03:37 <LumpyLarry> humm if i ever get more involved with setting up site here may be worth investing in

03:38 * Christian_B is back.

03:38 <Tank_Master> wb

03:40 <Christian_B> Hi, just finished breakfast

03:40 <Tank_Master> i should be in bed

03:40 <Tank_Master> its 12:40 am here

03:41 <LumpyLarry> yeah just got home myself Tank_Master couple more hours and will be deep in old growth forest clear cutting again

03:41 <Tank_Master> oh?

03:41 <Tank_Master> workin?

03:41 * LumpyLarry single tooth chainsaws take forever to cut thru old tree

03:41 <Christian_B> It's 09:45 am here

03:42 <Christian_B> and freezing cold

03:42 * LumpyLarry wonders why wife has large moth plug by bed

03:42 <LumpyLarry> mouth

03:42 <Tank_Master> why will you be in oldgrowth?

03:42 <LumpyLarry> warm and raining here

03:43 <efc> &weather 30625

03:43 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 41F / 5C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1004hPa | Conditions: Drizzle | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers. Lows in the mid 40s. Near steady temperature in the mid 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest 5 to 15 mph after midnight.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Windy. Highs around 50. West winds 15 to (1 more message)

03:43 <LumpyLarry> trees make louder sound

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03:44 * LumpyLarry humm wonder if reference to snoring to obscure

04:04 <Tank_Master> im finally off to bed

04:04 <Tank_Master> gn

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04:23 <LumpyLarry> &nn Tank_Master and all

04:23 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

04:34 <ChristmasCoder> &weather 45140

04:34 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 37.2F / 2.9C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 29.39in / 995.1hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 7.0mph / 11.3km/h ; Today - Rain...changing to snow early...then a chance of snow this afternoon. Areas of blowing snow. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Windy with temperatures falling into the upper 20s. West winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 45 mph. Chance (2 more messages)

04:34 <ChristmasCoder> these weatherfolk are so confused

04:35 <ChristmasCoder> &more

04:35 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: of precipitation 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of snow showers in the evening. Blustery with lows around 20. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph...decreasing to 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Winter Weather Advisory for Hamilton (1 more message)

04:35 <ChristmasCoder> &more

04:35 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on December 16, 2007;

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05:27 <ChristmasCoder> winders security update reboot - bb hopefully

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05:42 <CoderForLife> I apply updates and reboot, and then suddenly I have a bunch more updates to download - gee, that's annoying

05:48 <LumpyLarry> yah noticed that this week

05:48 * CoderForLife grumbles

05:49 <CoderForLife> I mean, I don't want to be ungrateful, but...

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05:52 <LumpyLarry> lol know the feeling

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06:10 <CoderForLife> Bill Gates wants me to reboot again

06:10 <CoderForLife> bb, if I'm lucky

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06:22 <CoderForLife> @#$^  there's 5 *more* Windows updates now

06:22 <CoderForLife> I quit for today

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08:24 <BadBarbarian> Morning all

08:24 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

08:24 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 11.7F / -11.3C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 23.65in / 800.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 3.1mph / 5.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 42. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 10 to 18. Light winds.; Monday - Partly cloudy. Highs around 44. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the (1 more message)

08:25 <BadBarbarian> &more

08:25 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: afternoon.;

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08:26 * xcamel_away is back.

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08:27 <xcamel> 'lo

08:27 <PriitM> halo

08:40 <xcamel> Sci-fi guru Clarke marks 90th orbit of sun

08:40 <xcamel>

08:40 <Romulus> <> (at

08:41 <CoderForLife> salute, Sir Clarke

08:43 <xcamel> indeed

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08:44 <xcamel> not tons of snow yet... but lots of sleet..

08:51 <xcamel> sinus pressure is killing me atm..

08:55 <xcamel> How's the mess at your place Don?

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09:00 <xcamel> &weather 12074

09:00 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 16.9F / -8.4C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008.4hPa | Conditions: Light Ice Pellets | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Snow and sleet. Freezing rain this afternoon. Snow and sleet accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Ice accumulation around one third of an inch. Not as cool with highs in the upper 20s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation (2 more messages)

09:00 <xcamel> &more

09:00 <Romulus> xcamel: near 100 percent.; Tonight - Snow in the evening...then snow likely after midnight. Total accumulation of 5 to 10 inches. Lows around 13. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny. A chance of flurries in the morning. Cold with highs in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Winter Storm Warning for Saratoga County (1 more message)

09:01 <xcamel> &more

09:01 <Romulus> xcamel: in effect until 7:00 AM EST on December 17, 2007;

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09:05 <xcamel> 'lo BB

09:08 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

09:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 13F / -11C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Today - Cloudy in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. High in the mid 20s. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low 10 to 15. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Monday - Sunny. High in the lower 30s. South wind 5 to 10 (1 more message)

09:08 <wdsmia> &more

09:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: mph.;

09:15 <BadBarbarian> 'lo xcamel

09:36 <xcamel> Don is keeping the great noreaster low to himself over ohio

09:37 <xcamel> the 2nd half of this could be kinda 'interesting'

09:39 <wdsmia> whats that under your bird feeder on camera 2?

09:40 <xcamel> 2 wild turkeys...

09:40 <xcamel> we think they are the offspring of our old "bronze boy" who died last spring...

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09:43 <wdsmia> If it keeps snowing the turkey will be higher than the feeder

09:43 <tinloaf> hi. is the problem of seti not showing any graphics a known one?

09:45 <xcamel> depends on the project

09:45 <tinloaf> Seti@Home

09:45 <xcamel> what platform?

09:46 <tinloaf> Linux, Gentoo. Running "Boinc Manager 5.8.15"

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09:46 <xcamel> running boincmgr?

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09:46 <tinloaf> boinc_gui to be exact

09:47 <xcamel> did you start it via 'run_manager' ?

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09:47 <tinloaf> i don't think that i have such a script.. i start it directly by starting a "boing_gui" executable

09:49 <xcamel> check your install.. you should have it.

09:49 <xcamel> then start boinc from the desktop via the 'run_manager' script

09:50 <xcamel> 5.8 is a little old, but useable...

09:51 <tinloaf> it's the latest what is in gentoo's portage ;-)

09:56 <xcamel> the best install is independent of the portage, keeping all the files in one 'home' directory

09:56 <xcamel> and fairly easy to do.

10:01 <xcamel> damn... 40-50mph winds for later...

10:01 <xcamel> that's gonna get ugly

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10:02 <xcamel> 'lo Desti

10:02 <xcamel> not...

10:02 <BadBarbarian> lol

10:02 * xcamel should remember to read first

10:03 <xcamel> looks like the low is headed for the coast now...

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10:17 <xcamel> wow.. up to 20F

10:18 <BadBarbarian> lol still 15f here

10:21 <xcamel> radar says it's not snowing - but there is this extremely fine sleet coming down...

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10:37 <xcamel> I guess it's really snow...

10:39 <xcamel> >>

10:39 <Romulus> <> (at

10:39 <xcamel> I'm on the 8-12 line

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10:49 <CoderForLife> hello xcamel

10:50 <CoderForLife> hello BadBarbarian

10:50 <xcamel> mornin Don

10:50 <xcamel> how's the mess there?

10:50 <CoderForLife> not much mess IMHO

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10:51 <CoderForLife> yesterday's 3 inches washed off the pavement, leaving a tihn coat of ice, and now a very light dusting of fine snow

10:51 <CoderForLife> er thin*

10:52 <CoderForLife> In other words, "we escaped"

10:53 <CoderForLife> I've stayed home; my parents have been doing the multi-county commute to the hospital

10:54 <CoderForLife> looks like our guest is making her way from Manchester to Cincinnati on time

10:55 <CoderForLife> &monologue

10:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Your current monologue is at least 7 lines long.

10:56 * CoderForLife wanders away to clean some more

10:59 <xcamel> still building up here...

11:08 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

11:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 39.3F / 4.1C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010.0hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain in the morning... then rain increasing in the afternoon. Highs around 45. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to 30 mph.; Tonight - Rain. Lows 35 to 40. South wind 15 to 25 mph.; Monday - Showers (1 more message)

11:08 <Tank_Master> &more

11:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: likely. Highs around 40. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;

11:10 <PovAddict> (2:46:28) d00m1001: How come in E@H, it doesn't actually do anything in screen saver mode.

11:10 <PovAddict> (2:46:37) d00m1001: I have to be out of it for it to progress any.

11:10 <PovAddict> d00m1001: the screensaver is eating all the CPU

11:11 <d00m1001> PovAddict

11:11 <PovAddict> d00m1001: on a more modern computer, your graphics card would take care of the screensaver and the CPU would be all free for useful computing

11:11 <d00m1001> Well how do they expect me to get anything done then hahah.

11:11 <d00m1001> Cause after a while, my computer goes to screen saver mode.

11:12 <PovAddict> by 1. not running the graphics or 2. getting a gfx card with 3D acceleration :)

11:12 <PovAddict> is that on Windows?

11:13 <d00m1001> Yeah

11:13 <d00m1001> I switched remember?

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12:16 <d00m1001> How do you stop a Task from running in high priority

12:17 <PovAddict> you don't

12:17 <PovAddict> if it wasn't high priority, it would probably miss the deadline

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12:59 <xcamel> well.. cleaned out for the time being..

13:00 <CoderForLife> well done - wonder how long it will last

13:03 <xcamel> just waiting for the next half of the storm..

13:03 <CoderForLife> so you're half done?

13:04 <xcamel> still a fine freezing rain coming down..

13:04 <xcamel> sinuses stopped pounding - now the cheekbones hurt from the cold..

13:04 <CoderForLife> you certainly don't mean "fine" as in "wonderful"  =)

13:05 <xcamel> um... no

13:05 <CoderForLife> maybe "fine" as in "monetary penalty"

13:06 <xcamel> "fine" as in really getting to hate winter

13:06 <CoderForLife> lol

13:06 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

13:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 68°F / 20°C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM ART; Clear. High:73 F. / 23 C.; Clear. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Clear. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Clear. Low:66 F. / 19 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:87 F. / 31 C.; Clear. Low:69 F. / 21 C.;

13:07 <PovAddict> cold today

13:07 <PovAddict> :D

13:07 <PovAddict> *runs away from xcamel*

13:09 <CoderForLife> heh

13:09 * xcamel slaps <PovAddict> with a cold dead fish.

13:10 * MTughan_ hits PovAddict with a terrifying QuakeNET server

13:10 <CoderForLife> generously warmed to 20C

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13:10 <MTughan> Gotta love that slap script...

13:10 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to play nice with the other children

13:11 <MTughan> :(

13:11 <CoderForLife> our guest was late taking off from Manchester

13:11 <MTughan> Heh. wdsmia's script has a hole.

13:11 * MTughan slap PovAddict

13:12 <CoderForLife> about 1h 40m delay

13:12 <MTughan> Anyway, lunch time for me...

13:12 <CoderForLife> I say "our guest" - really Stephen's

13:13 * xcamel is currently "doing" lunch

13:14 <xcamel> really kind of hard to tell what this is going to do next..

13:24 <xcamel> looks like a slug of heavy freezing rain coming in...

13:28 <d00m1001> xcamel, ewww..

13:29 <d00m1001> I hate cold rain.

13:35 <MTughan> xcamel: Getting hit by the same storm we are?

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13:50 <ChristianB> Hi boys

13:52 <d00m1001> ChristianB, Hello.

14:01 <yoyo[RKN]> hi ChristianB

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14:03 <MTughan> 'lo e

14:08 <efc> hey

14:12 <BadBarbarian> &seen biteablekat

14:13 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: biteablekat was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <BiteAbleKat> &more

14:13 <PovAddict> &seen tamar

14:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: tamar was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 13 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <tamar> lol

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14:31 <PriitM> &seen PriitM

14:31 <Romulus> PriitM: PriitM was last seen in #boinc 6 hours, 3 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <PriitM> halo

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14:58 <xcamel> yuk...

14:59 <xcamel> heavy freezing rain...

14:59 <efc> had > 2 inches here, finally

14:59 <xcamel> that should help a bit...

15:00 <efc> In our local newspaper they were telling us to take dropped ice cubes and water the plants with them

15:00 <efc> save shower water and put in the toilets to flush

15:01 <efc> There's no problem in approving a 1300 house subdivision though. Thats a lot of ice cubes.

15:02 <PriitM> we got nice warm weather here

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15:02 <MTughan_> That was odd...

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15:03 <MTughan> I was playing a game of Sudoku, and it kernel panicked.

15:08 <xcamel> oops..

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15:08 <MTughan> Oh, it was on a webpage too.

15:17 <MTughan> Got a concert to do lighting for, bye for now.

15:26 <d00m1001> Nice.

15:26 <d00m1001> I played a concert last night.

15:26 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : is there a description of the 6.x graphic api?

15:27 <PovAddict> yes, in the same place the 5.x used to be

15:28 <yoyo[RKN]> is there a way to test the graphic without distributing it via the boinc server?

15:28 <Tank_Master> &quiet

15:28 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers

15:28 <PovAddict> running standalone opens the graphics

15:28 <PovAddict> that has always been like that

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> but if the graphic displays the credits they are read from the xml file, which not exists in standalone mode?

15:30 <PovAddict> 0 for those, then

15:30 <PovAddict> if you want to do a full test, use anonymous platform on the client with real workunits

15:40 <xcamel> 6.x is NRPT

15:41 <Tank_Master> ?

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16:03 <PovAddict> I'm going

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16:03 <eigma> I'm having trouble resetting my Seti@home classic account password via e-mail. any admins around that might be able to help?

16:05 <PovAddict> your classic account?

16:05 <PovAddict> SETI classic was closed a year ago... or two

16:05 <PovAddict> I don't know if you can still login at all

16:05 <eigma> I made my account in 2001. I went to "forgot password", and received the e-mail, but when I click on the link, I get a login page again

16:06 <eigma> my profile is still there, I guess my account was migrated

16:06 <PovAddict> well, I was just going

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17:10 <xcamel> still snowing..

17:16 <Soul_keeper> nice

17:16 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

17:16 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 64F / 18C | Humidity: 30% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...becoming partly cloudy. Patchy fog. Lows 32 to 42. Light winds.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs around 64 in the western valleys to 58 to 63 near the foothills. Light winds.; Monday (1 more message)

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17:51 <xcamel> &boring

17:51 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

17:53 <BadBarbarian> rehi xcamel

17:55 <xcamel> 'lo BB

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18:29 <zombie67> looks like superlink is about to start back up again.

18:41 <xcamel> eh?

18:47 <PovAddict> o rly

18:47 <PovAddict> still with insane requirements?

18:50 <zombie67> insane?

18:50 <zombie67> 1gb/wu were the requirements

18:50 <PovAddict> on its first days, it ate lots of RAM, used very big files, and took too little CPU time to be useful

18:51 <zombie67> new URL, project requirements on the front page:

18:51 <Romulus> <> (at

18:51 <PovAddict> got any work?

18:51 <zombie67> not yet.

18:52 <PovAddict> any idea of runtime?

18:52 <zombie67>

18:52 <Romulus> <> (at

18:53 <zombie67> I am trying to recall.  If I remember correctly, they ran about one hour.  could be wrong

18:53 <zombie67> ah!  Are you thinking of scilink?

18:53 <PovAddict> ...maybe

18:53 <PovAddict> 'link' made me mix 'em up

18:53 <zombie67> scilink had results that generated thousands of files, and ran only a second or two

18:54 <zombie67> caused BOINC to lock up

18:54 <zombie67>

18:54 <Romulus> Title: SciLINC (at

18:54 <PovAddict> it's silly to produce multiple output files

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18:54 <zombie67> superlink is a proteins project

18:55 <zombie67> scilinc is some sort of documentation project

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18:56 <zombie67> superlink had a server crash, and put the whole thing on hold, until they could get redundent HW in place.

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19:53 <efc> &weather 30625

19:53 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 36F / 2C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Colder. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.; Monday - Sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Light and variable winds.;

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20:37 <zombie67> LHC is sending our more work!

20:37 <PovAddict> :o!

20:37 <PovAddict> 16/12/2007 22:37:48|lhcathome|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.  Requesting 5575 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

20:37 <PovAddict> 16/12/2007 22:37:53|lhcathome|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

20:38 <PovAddict> bastards

20:38 <zombie67> they generally send itout in trickles.  This AM, there was only 10k WIP, now there are 21k WIP

20:40 <zombie67> i've received 43 today

20:40 <zombie67> so far

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21:22 <zombie67> hi mweltin!

21:22 <mweltin> hey

21:22 <mweltin> my dog is real sick

21:22 <zombie67> very quiet here

21:23 <zombie67> oh no!

21:23 <PovAddict> for the trash he ate?

21:23 <mweltin> he has a bowel obstruction.

21:23 <zombie67> how so?

21:23 <mweltin> yes

21:23 <zombie67> that's bad

21:23 <zombie67> surgery?

21:23 <mweltin> the only vet is in Apia until the 22nd

21:23 <zombie67> are you kidding me?!

21:23 <mweltin> just have to hope he pulls through on his own.

21:23 <mweltin> no

21:24 <zombie67> anything you can do to "draino" his bowles?

21:24 * PovAddict has a nasty mental image

21:24 <mweltin> he got an enema (sp?) and I gave him some fiber.

21:24 <zombie67> that will work on organic stuff

21:24 <mweltin> he can wakl, and still eats a little which is a good sign.

21:25 <mweltin> yeah, chances are good it's not organic.

21:25 <zombie67> problems occur when eating non-organic stringy stuff

21:25 <zombie67> can cause knotting

21:25 <zombie67> rubber bands, 6-pack plastic things

21:25 <mweltin> it may be styrofoam

21:26 <PovAddict> wtf

21:26 <zombie67> ugh

21:26 <zombie67> any way you could take him off island to get help?

21:26 <mweltin> not sure where i wuold go

21:26 <mweltin> next flight to hawaii is not until thursday.

21:27 <zombie67> what about japan or australia?

21:27 <mweltin> flights to Western can not take dogs his size.

21:27 <PovAddict> closer than the 22nd but still...

21:27 <PovAddict> get a vet to fly TO samoa?

21:27 <mweltin> not direct flights to those palces.

21:28 <zombie67> way to think outside the box POV!

21:28 <PovAddict> flights *from* Western can probably take *vets* of any size :)

21:28 <zombie67> tell them you'll take them diving!

21:28 <PovAddict> lol

21:28 <mweltin> diving is not that popular among samoans.

21:29 <mweltin> he is stable for the moment.

21:29 <zombie67> has there been no "production" at all?

21:29 <mweltin> he woke me up today moaning, and felt distended.

21:29 <mweltin> very little

21:30 <zombie67> do you have any pain killers?

21:30 <mweltin> yes, but I have not used them yet.

21:31 <zombie67> how can there be no vet?!

21:31 <zombie67> a replacemtn should come in before the local can leave

21:32 <mweltin> he is the agriculture vet.

21:32 <mweltin> does mostly pigs.

21:32 <mweltin> poeple here don't think of pets they way we do.

21:32 <zombie67> even more important, if livelyhood & industry requires his presence.

21:33 <mweltin> its crazy, back home dove lewis is a full ER for pets.  X-ray, catscan, MRI, everything.

21:34 <PovAddict> oooo LHC work

21:34 <PovAddict> finally

21:34 <zombie67> up to 25k WIP

21:36 <zombie67> any human docs that could take a look?

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21:37 <zombie67> call in a favor from your govenor buddy?

21:37 <mweltin> for now I'm going to have to wait.

21:38 * zombie67 hates waiting

21:39 <mweltin> this morning he couldn't even get up, and now he can.  so at least he got a little better.

21:39 <mweltin> he is not out of the woods, but I'm hopeful

21:41 <PovAddict> hey look at the boincstats frontpage...

21:41 <zombie67> does doggy exlax exist?

21:41 <mweltin> you can give them milk of magnesia

21:41 <zombie67> I am there

21:41 <PovAddict> zombie67: the right column

21:41 <zombie67> seti old update?

21:41 <PovAddict> lower

21:42 <zombie67> I saw cori wish you a HB earlier.

21:44 <zombie67> what weight is your dog?  Name again?

21:44 <mweltin> Einstein

21:45 <zombie67> does he have a nick name?  or do you say the whole name every time?

21:45 <mweltin> boo

21:46 <zombie67> I have learned that any name over two sylables will guarentee a nickname

21:46 <mweltin> yup

21:46 <mweltin> sometimes I go with boo boo

21:47 <zombie67> my black lab is Shenandoah (I grew up in northern virginia).  she gets called shanan

21:48 <mweltin> I had a guy comment that he thought the TSP was not a worth while BOINC project.  And that after giving useless adivce on the subject of path generation.

21:49 <mweltin> I agree that just sovling one instance of a TSP is not very useful, but I think I'm tyring to do something a little deeper than that.

21:50 <zombie67> I agree

21:53 <mweltin> sometimes I don't think people grasp how big a search space a 48 city TSP is.

21:53 <zombie67> POV, I think LHC is done generating new work.  WIP is dropping now.

21:53 <mweltin> he said my algorithm was in trouble if that was the best path found so far (looking at the webpage that shows the path)

21:54 <zombie67> I saw that.

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21:55 <mweltin> i dont' think I even hit 1% of the paths yet.

21:55 <zombie67> the best path so far, is that based on the BF app?

21:56 <mweltin> yes

21:56 <zombie67> and what% of the possible paths have we done to date?

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21:57 <zombie67> ah, 1%

21:57 <mweltin> I don't know I didnt' keep track of that.

21:57 <mweltin> I doubt it 15

21:57 <mweltin> 1%

21:58 <zombie67> perhpas you should put a "% complete" next to the pest path to date link?

21:58 <zombie67> having done only 1%, it should be expected that the best path isn't very good yet

22:00 <mweltin> PovAddict, I'm getting ready to launch the ga.  I have only to run update_versions, which I'm waiting for and my assimilator is crashing out.

22:00 <mweltin> 2007-12-16 15:59:02.8545 [CRITICAL] Can't find app

22:00 <mweltin> i added the app to the database.

22:00 <mweltin> Not sure why I would get that error.

22:01 <zombie67> I finally broke 50K on LHC

22:02 <mweltin> good job

22:03 <mweltin> did PovAddict take off?

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22:03 <zombie67> net split?

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22:04 <zombie67> mid-night where POV is

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22:14 <PovAddict> boo

22:15 <mweltin> hey

22:15 <mweltin> I got it figured out

22:21 <zombie67> whoop!  more work generated at lhc

22:21 <zombie67> guess it's not over yet

22:22 <mweltin> PovAddict?

22:22 <mweltin> the creat_workunit function has an char** of "infiles"

22:23 <mweltin> does that include the workunit name?

22:23 <PovAddict> your "infiles" are the input files

22:23 <PovAddict> you probably need only one, right?

22:23 <mweltin> yes

22:24 <mweltin> but is it the workunit name, or the common name?

22:24 <PovAddict> then make an array with a single element

22:24 <mweltin> ga_in or ga_123443

22:24 <PovAddict> the second

22:24 <mweltin> ok

22:24 <PovAddict> create_work doesn't care about the open_name

22:25 <mweltin> ok

22:25 <mweltin> but its in there twice then.

22:25 <mweltin> doesnt matter.

22:28 <mweltin> ok something doesn't add up.  why is infiles a const char**

22:28 <mweltin> strcpy(infiles[0], buffer);

22:28 <PovAddict> because it's an array of char*

22:28 <mweltin> this call errors out.

22:28 <PovAddict> ah it's const...

22:29 <mweltin> yeah, so how do I get around it being a const.

22:29 <PovAddict> dont make it a const... what's forcing you?

22:30 <mweltin> the example code declairs it a const

22:30 <mweltin> so I thought it had to be .

22:30 <PovAddict> the function probably asks for a const

22:30 <mweltin> yes it does

22:30 <PovAddict> you can pass a non-const to a const-expecting function, not the other way around

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22:31 <mweltin> if I declari char ** infiles in my code I get this error -> error:   initializing argument 5

22:31 <mweltin> If I make it a const as in const char** infiles I get an error when I try  to use strcpy.

22:32 <PovAddict> wait you're in trouble right there anyway

22:32 <PovAddict> you are strcpying into where?

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22:32 <PovAddict> did you ever allocate memory?

22:32 <mweltin> hahahahaha

22:32 <mweltin> yup no memeory

22:32 <mweltin> hahahahahaahah

22:32 <mweltin> thanks pov

22:32 <PovAddict> that's a segmentation fault right there

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22:33 <mweltin> F' I forget the syntax for malloc

22:33 <PovAddict> malloc(numberofbytesyouwant)

22:34 <mweltin> infiles[0] = malloc(sizeof(buffer)i * 8); ?

22:34 <mweltin> for get the 'i'

22:34 <mweltin> typo

22:41 <Soul_keeper> any gtk coders here ?

22:41 <Soul_keeper> how can i throw a variable into gtk_text_buffer_set_text (buffer,"", -1);  ?

22:41 <PovAddict> #gtk?

22:41 <Soul_keeper> those fools are all sleeping in there

22:41 <PovAddict> lol

22:41 <PovAddict> your fault for asking too late/early?

22:42 <Soul_keeper> and there are only so many questions you can ask in a large channel before being ridiculed and pointed to the manual/tutorial that you have been reading for 2 nights

22:43 <Soul_keeper> i'm just trying to display the contents of a file to a text window

22:43 <mweltin> PovAddict,  this just isn't working, I'll have to come back to it later.

22:43 <mweltin> thanks for your help

22:43 <Soul_keeper> but it seems nothing will ever be easy ...

22:44 <Soul_keeper> basically my program works flawlessly saves it's results to text files, then the user don't get to see the results or know they exist

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22:55 <Soul_keeper> i guess i essentially have to create a text editor

23:14 <MTughan> zombie67: Do you know any programs to rip a CD/DVD to a disk image? So a .dmg, .cdr, or a .iso.

23:14 <PovAddict> dd :)

23:15 <MTughan> Tried.

23:15 <PovAddict> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso # should work

23:15 <MTughan> Invalid file.

23:15 <PovAddict> replace /dev/cdrom with whatever is correct on a mac...

23:21 <zombie67> back

23:21 <zombie67> what now?

23:21 <MTughan> I want to rip a disk image of a DVD.

23:21 <MTughan> Vista to be precise.

23:21 <zombie67> oh, thought you were talking osx

23:22 <PovAddict> he is

23:22 <MTughan> I want to rip the Vista DVD on OS X.

23:22 <zombie67> he said vista

23:22 <MTughan> For installation in a VM.

23:22 <zombie67> disk utiliuty won't do it?

23:23 <MTughan> I think it will for an internal drive, but it's an external USB drive.

23:23 <zombie67> ?

23:23 <PovAddict> ohh USB DVD drive?

23:23 <MTughan> Yeah.

23:23 <zombie67> still should work

23:23 <MTughan> And Disk Utility seems f'ed up.

23:23 <MTughan> It won't rip it.

23:23 <zombie67> DU will format thumb drives

23:23 <PovAddict> "Most actual hardware devices, however, such as USB and FireWire devices are not handled with block or character devices in Mac OS X."

23:24 <MTughan> PovAddict: It's /dev/disk3.

23:24 <zombie67> toast?

23:24 <zombie67> handbreak?

23:25 <MTughan> I don't have Toast, Handbrake is for videos.

23:25 <PovAddict> MTughan: what does dd say?

23:25 <zombie67> er, once the dvd is mounted, it should look like any other volume

23:25 <MTughan> dd works fine, but it won't mount.

23:25 <PovAddict> MTughan: what won't mount?

23:25 <MTughan> The ISO.

23:25 <PovAddict> MTughan: the iso you get? hmm

23:26 <zombie67> why must it be via USB?

23:26 <MTughan> Sorry, Firewire.

23:26 <zombie67> why must it be via FW?

23:27 <zombie67> why must it be on a mac?

23:27 <zombie67> I still don't underthand the problem

23:27 <MTughan> Firewire, because I don't have any other interface. Mac, because that's where the VM is.

23:28 <zombie67> But you can rip it on any machine, and then transfer the iso to the mac.

23:28 <MTughan> Can you rip a DVD on Linux then?

23:28 <PovAddict> yes, using dd

23:28 <MTughan> Anything besides dd?

23:28 <PovAddict> k3b probably can

23:29 <zombie67> the mahine with the VM does not have to be the same machine doing the ripping

23:29 <MTughan> All right, hold on. Trying dd once more.

23:29 <MTughan> If not, I'll try Linux.

23:30 <PovAddict> lol

23:30 <PovAddict> "Will the current K3B be renamed K4B when the release of Qt4 is realized and KDE is based on it? Or let me put it this way...Why the `3' in K3B?"

23:30 <PovAddict> "The '3B' is short for 'Burn, Baby, burn'. So it will probably not be changed."

23:33 <MTughan> I actually found a program that ripped the XP CD to an ISO successfully, but for some reason, the author only made it for CDs, not DVDs.

23:33 <MTughan> 1.39GB ripped...

23:33 <PovAddict> can't vmware see the real DVD?

23:33 <PovAddict> it can on windoze

23:33 <MTughan> I wish...

23:33 <MTughan> No. >_>

23:33 <PovAddict> VMware on windoze can be pointed to a .iso or a real disc drive

23:34 <MTughan> The only drive it sees is my busted internal drive.

23:34 <MTughan> Yeah, that's why I need an ISO.

23:34 <PovAddict> busted? o.o

23:34 <MTughan> It's been busted for over a year now..

23:34 <PovAddict> and your HDD problem...

23:34 <MTughan> WTF? The drive's listed now...

23:34 <zombie67> PS3GRID has a thumb drive with linux and BOINC ready to go

23:35 <PovAddict> you know, some people would be ranting against Apple about right now if they had had your problems :)

23:35 <MTughan> Oh, maybe one thing... Other times I've tried it, the disc has been mounted.

23:35 <zombie67> is this a PPC or intel mac?

23:35 <MTughan> It's unmounted right now for dd.

23:35 <MTughan> Intel.

23:36 <MTughan> Disk images aren't arch-specific though.

23:36 <zombie67> so, what are you trying to do with a busted HD?

23:36 <zombie67> shouldn't you fix that first?

23:36 <MTughan> It's just the journal that seems busted actually.

23:36 <zombie67> whatever

23:36 <MTughan> But I can't mount or read the drive.

23:36 <zombie67> replace the HD

23:36 <PovAddict> zombie67: he got a new disk and reinstalled the OS

23:36 <MTughan> So I can't recover data.

23:37 <MTughan> 2.31GB ripped...

23:37 <zombie67> then you put the busted HD in an external case

23:37 <MTughan> zombie67: I'm so far ahead of you here.

23:37 <zombie67> I still don't see the problem

23:37 <zombie67> why are you messing with VMware?

23:38 <MTughan> What does a busted HD have to do with ripping a DVD?

23:38 <MTughan> zombie67: I'm installing a new VM...

23:38 <PovAddict> and what does a busted HD have to do with VMware?

23:38 <zombie67> how? when there is no HD to install it on

23:38 <PovAddict> zombie67: he got a new disk and reinstalled the OS

23:38 <MTughan> What do you think I'm running now?

23:38 <PovAddict> a floppy!

23:39 <MTughan> lol

23:39 <PovAddict> ...aren't you?

23:39 <zombie67> so you have a new HD, and have OSX installed?

23:39 <MTughan> You know Macs haven't come with floppies for years now...

23:39 <MTughan> zombie67: Just an external 500GB drive for now.

23:39 <PovAddict> zombie67: yes, and the busted HDD is... waiting for a miracle, on a corner

23:39 <PovAddict> MTughan: wtf do you mean "just"

23:39 <MTughan> lol

23:39 <PovAddict> I have a total of 160GB

23:39 <zombie67> just swap the HDs

23:40 <MTughan> With all my hard drives together, I have 1.4TB. :P

23:40 <MTughan> zombie67: When you can stick a 3.5" HD in a laptop, call me.

23:40 <PovAddict> hmm how easily can you swap external and internal disks on a laptop?

23:40 <zombie67> so you have NOT replaced the HD

23:40 <PovAddict> ...and the size :)

23:40 <MTughan> Easily, but a 3.5" is a tight fit for a laptop.

23:40 <PovAddict> zombie67: he hasn't, physically

23:40 <zombie67> going back to step #1:  Fix the HD

23:41 <MTughan> Look, the HD has nothing to do with ripping a DVD.

23:41 <zombie67> so why are you messing with VMware?

23:41 <PovAddict> zombie67: because he wants to

23:42 <MTughan> How are they related?

23:42 <zombie67> no clue

23:42 <zombie67> what is wrong wirth your internal DVD?

23:42 <MTughan> F***... I got Vista DVD working in VMware, and now I need to install XP first. >_>

23:42 <PovAddict> MTughan: oh yours is upgrade disc?

23:42 <MTughan> zombie67: Can't put discs into it. I don't know what's wrong.

23:42 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yes.

23:42 <zombie67> *&^$$*!!

23:43 <zombie67> then the problem is your DVD player, not your HD

23:43 <zombie67> why are we talking about HDs???

23:43 <PovAddict> .....

23:43 <MTughan> You brought it up.

23:43 <zombie67> I did not

23:43 <MTughan> Yeah, you did.

23:43 <PovAddict> zombie67: totally different problems: 1. the DVD drive has been broken for a year; 2. the hard disk recently stopped working; 3. he had problems ripping a DVD from an external drive, now he can

23:44 <MTughan> Gah, he's right... ISO is fine. ?

23:44 <MTughan> How the heck it worked now, I have no idea.

23:44 <PovAddict> 1. was a year ago, 2. was weeks ago, 3. was minutes ago

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23:44 <zombie67> show me where I brought the HD

23:44 <zombie67> I was talking about disk utility

23:45 <PovAddict> (1:36:09) zombie67: so, what are you trying to do with a busted HD?

23:45 <zombie67> I did not bring up the busted HD

23:45 <zombie67> I was trying to solve ripping a dvd

23:45 <MTughan> You're right, PovAddict did. But you took on it.

23:45 <PovAddict> I just commented "and your problems with the HDD"

23:46 <zombie67> no wonder I was confused

23:46 <MTughan> Wow... I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. Copying a 4GB VM drive takes quite a long time over USB.

23:47 <zombie67> usb suxors

23:47 <PovAddict> what's on the other end?

23:47 <zombie67> FW is so much better

23:47 <MTughan> It's a SATA drive, but I don't have any SATA ports to hook it up.

23:47 <PovAddict> ah the drive...

23:47 <MTughan> zombie67: USB has a higher burst speed. Firewire's not all that much faster.

23:47 <PovAddict> I thought it was from another machine, so I was going to suggest compressing it first :)

23:48 <zombie67> FW is better at sustained high speed

23:48 <PovAddict> a vhd usually compresses well...

23:48 <zombie67> don't let the specs fool you

23:48 <PovAddict> USB3 FTW

23:48 <MTughan> And besides, I couldn't get an enclosure with USB, eSATA, and FW. Damn companies...

23:48 <zombie67> did you look at OWC?

23:48 <MTughan> For what?

23:49 <zombie67> an enclosure with USB, eSATA, and FW

23:49 <MTughan> No, I didn't.

23:49 <MTughan> I don't order stuff online.

23:50 <MTughan> Besides, I've had this enclosure before I even got my Macbook.

23:50 <zombie67> you don't order online? serioulsy?

23:50 <MTughan> Yeah. What's the problem with that?

23:50 <zombie67> nothing, for 1980

23:51 <MTughan> Well, my Mac was another matter, but that was my dad who placed the order.

23:51 <MTughan> zombie67: Not having a credit card is a major setback in that situation...

23:51 <zombie67> ah

23:51 <PovAddict> zombie67: MTughan is around my age remember

23:51 <MTughan> Both 17.

23:51 <zombie67> I assumed you were anti-tech

23:51 <zombie67> ah

23:52 <MTughan> Although I'm about 6 months older than him.

23:52 <PovAddict> MTughan: I'm 17 since 1h 52m ago

23:52 <zombie67> you know, the aluminimum hat freaks

23:52 <MTughan> I know, I read it on ##konfabulator.

23:52 <PovAddict> but you didn't say anything <.<

23:52 <PovAddict> :P

23:52 <MTughan> Because this is where I started talking after I came home.

23:53 <MTughan> I was gone for about 5-6 hours.

23:53 <PovAddict> a friend offered to take me to a hooker as birthday present... I was like WTF?

23:53 <MTughan> O... kay?

23:53 <PovAddict> lol

23:54 <MTughan> Oops... That wasn't a smart idea.

23:54 <zombie67>

23:54 <Romulus> Title: 3.5-inch SATA to USB2.0 & FireWire800 & eSATA HDD Enclosure SATA-PRO-35AXC LOW PRICE $99.93 (at

23:55 <PovAddict> did you delete your vhd?: )

23:55 <PovAddict> :)*

23:55 <MTughan> For some reason, the "bus adapter" seems to be different in the XP drive.

23:55 <PovAddict> $99 wow...

23:55 <zombie67> but it has esata, usb, and FW

23:56 <MTughan> zombie67: Now see, if that drive had been available a year and a half ago, I probably would've gotten it.

23:56 <zombie67> you wanted esata connector too?

23:56 <MTughan> Yeah, I did. This one has eSATA and USB.

23:56 <zombie67> that is just a box.  you put your hd in side it

23:56 <PovAddict> I saw USB feet heaters

23:56 <PovAddict> and a toaster

23:57 <PovAddict> and

23:57 <Romulus> Title: ThinkGeek :: USB Missile Launcher (at

23:57 <PovAddict> USB Weapons of Much Distraction

23:57 <MTughan> zombie67: What is just a box? Enclosures?

23:57 <zombie67> love thinkgeek!

23:57 <zombie67> yes, and empty enclosure, that you put a HD inside

23:58 <PovAddict> s/and/an/

23:58 <MTughan> So was the one I got.

23:58 <PovAddict>

23:58 <Romulus> Title: ThinkGeek :: Pluto Replies (at

23:58 <MTughan> I got a Vantec NexStar 3, blue.

23:58 <MTughan> Quite nice, actually.

23:58 <zombie67>

23:58 <Romulus> Title: ThinkGeek :: Geek Toys :: Cube Warfare (at

23:58 <zombie67> the airzooka is fun!

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