IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2007-12-17

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00:00 <MTughan> 'lo e

00:00 <efc> moo

00:00 <PovAddict> http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/95e8/ o.0

00:00 <Romulus> Title: ThinkGeek :: USB Tape Dispenser Hub (at www.thinkgeek.com)

00:02 <efc> interesting

00:02 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:02 <Romulus> http://www.xkcd.com/

00:02 <MTughan> &cad

00:02 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

00:02 <efc> i thought it would reel out USB cord or something.

00:03 <Soul_keeper> damnit

00:03 <Soul_keeper> i'm so pissed

00:03 <Soul_keeper> crap makes me suicidal

00:04 <MTughan> Oh, great... XP won't find the HD that VMware set up for Vista.

00:05 <PovAddict> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/9955/ OMG <3

00:05 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1J0n> (at www.thinkgeek.com)

00:05 <MTughan> And it seems that they're the same interface...

00:08 <PovAddict> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/6b3b/images/1263/ swiss army knife!

00:08 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1J0q> (at www.thinkgeek.com)

00:08 <MTughan> I have one...

00:09 <PovAddict> with usb memory?

00:09 <MTughan> Hmm, not with a USB drive though...

00:09 <PovAddict> then yours ain't cool! :

00:09 <PovAddict> :P

00:09 <MTughan> It's got more tools though.

00:09 <MTughan> How 'bout a bottle opener?

00:09 <PovAddict> it also has a pen and a led light :)

00:09 <PovAddict> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/6b3b/

00:09 <Romulus> Title: ThinkGeek :: Swiss Memory USB (at www.thinkgeek.com)

00:09 <PovAddict> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/96b3/ I wonder if this really cools stuff...

00:09 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1J0z> (at www.thinkgeek.com)

00:10 <Soul_keeper> life would probably be more fun if i was crippled

00:10 <MTughan> lol

00:10 <PovAddict> need help?

00:11 <Soul_keeper> i think i'm just incapable of learning anything

00:11 <PovAddict> I meant help on the 'cripple' part, but ok

00:11 <PovAddict> :P

00:11 <Soul_keeper> all i can do is eat, masturbate, and watch tv

00:12 <MTughan> Ooh... http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/8c52/

00:12 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/SRL> (at www.thinkgeek.com)

00:12 * PovAddict would feel sorry for anyone who can't do those three

00:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: yeah I saw it... want one

00:12 <MTughan> lol, put it in Soul_keeper's house. >:D

00:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: read the "letter from the satisfied customer"

00:13 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict,  you mess with boinc code on a regular basis ?

00:13 <MTughan> Hehe...

00:14 <MTughan> PovAddict: Should I install all updates before "upgrading" XP to Vista? It's a new install.

00:14 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: hmm sort of, why

00:15 <Tank_Master> all I can to is eat, sleep, masterbate, and watch BOINC

00:15 <PovAddict> lately I have been working on re-inventing the GUI RPC protocol to be closer to something remotely decent

00:15 <MTughan> lol TM

00:16 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict,  well if i asked which section of code was responsible for a particular window/feature  would you be able to tell me what file contains said code ?

00:16 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: you mean the manager?

00:16 <Soul_keeper> yeah

00:16 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: FYI, it's written with wxWidgets, not GTK

00:16 <Tank_Master> manager and chatroom

00:16 <Soul_keeper> ic

00:17 <MTughan> And I don't like that about wxWidgets. It's not affected by hacks I've done.

00:17 <PovAddict> MTughan: you know obj-c, write your own

00:17 <PovAddict> bwahahahahaha

00:17 <PovAddict> bwahahaha

00:17 <PovAddict> bwah-- err

00:17 <MTughan> ...

00:17 <MTughan> And I don't really know Obj-C.

00:18 <PovAddict> well can you make a native-looking GUI for OS X?

00:18 <MTughan> I know a bit, but not a huge amount. I'm hoping to get a book on it for Christmas.

00:18 <MTughan> Sure, I just can't really write the backend for it.

00:19 <MTughan> And you could probably do that too. There's a graphical app to graphically build your graphical interface. Graphical enough? :P

00:19 <PovAddict> btw, answering to Tank_Master and Soul_keeper

00:19 <PovAddict> if a man says he doesn't masturbate, he lies

00:19 <PovAddict> related: http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20030703

00:19 <Romulus> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del (at cad-comic.com)

00:19 <Soul_keeper> heh

00:20 <MTughan> What about a woman?

00:20 <Soul_keeper> i thought picking up gtk would be simple, it turns out i can't master it in 2 days

00:21 <PovAddict> MTughan: it's said that every time a man masturbates, god kills a kitten

00:21 <MTughan> ?

00:21 <Soul_keeper> and since i got work all week, i probably won't be able to have time to read reference manuals/tutorials  ever

00:21 <PovAddict> but every time a woman masturbates, an angel gets its wings

00:21 <PovAddict> I wonder how much alcohol was on the blood of whoever said that

00:22 <Tank_Master> lol

00:22 <Soul_keeper> what happens when a tranny does it tho ?

00:23 <Soul_keeper> hermaphrodites ...

00:23 <PovAddict> .....

00:23 <zombie67> disapears in a puff of logic

00:23 <PovAddict> I think that question is better left unanswered

00:23 <PovAddict> anyway

00:23 <MTughan> I wholeheartedly agree...

00:23 <PovAddict> going to sleep

00:23 <Soul_keeper> can you kill a kitten and give angel's wings at the same time, would those two cancel out ?

00:23 <PovAddict> 2 am already

00:23 <MTughan> Bye.

00:23 <PovAddict> MTughan: you have been following CAD haven't you?

00:23 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: We don't want to know...

00:23 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yeah, why?

00:24 <Tank_Master> gn pov

00:24 <PovAddict> MTughan: I'll end up like Ethan, except not because of a mmorpg

00:24 <MTughan> Because of the BOINC infrastructure?

00:24 <Tank_Master> because of BOINC

00:24 <PovAddict> because of computers, period

00:24 <Tank_Master> I suppose this is where zombie would call a jinx

00:25 <zombie67> si

00:25 <zombie67> The argument goes like this:  `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'  `But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'

00:25 <zombie67> `Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.  `Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.  -- Hitchhiker's Guide of the Galaxy

00:27 <zombie67> LHC is still pumping out work

00:27 <Tank_Master> I set my WCG share to 1000

00:27 <PovAddict> I have been going to sleep at 2 am for weeks (months?)... when it gets late I don't really do anything productive (read websites "recursively", chat, etc) but yet I don't go to sleep

00:27 <PovAddict> "depth-first browsing"

00:27 <zombie67> I use 999 instead.

00:28 <Tank_Master> y 999?

00:28 <zombie67> BOINCstats shows only 3 digits

00:28 <zombie67> 1000 look slike 100

00:28 <PovAddict> if I click on a link I see on the first comment of a blog post, and follow from there, I probably won't finish reading all the comments

00:28 <zombie67> 999 is easier to tell apart

00:29 <Tank_Master> uhh, ok

00:29 <Tank_Master> id think 4 digits compaired to 3 would be easy ;)

00:29 <zombie67> you can see only 3

00:29 <zombie67> in the resource page

00:29 <Tank_Master> no

00:29 <Tank_Master> 1000 is hte max

00:30 <Tank_Master> for BAM!?

00:30 <zombie67> I know 1000 is the max, but you can see only 3 digits

00:30 <Tank_Master> I can see all 4

00:30 <zombie67> in BAM resources

00:30 <zombie67> I cannot

00:31 <zombie67> http://boincstats.com/bam/resources.php

00:31 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager (at boincstats.com)

00:31 <Tank_Master> probably cus your using ff?

00:31 <zombie67> this is the page i am talking about

00:31 <Tank_Master> I can see all for with IE7

00:31 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:31 <zombie67> I am using safari

00:31 <Tank_Master> same one ehre

00:31 <Tank_Master> try ff or ie

00:31 <zombie67> the point:  I can see only 3 digits, so I use 999 instead of 1000

00:32 <Tank_Master> My Oint: use a real browser

00:32 <Tank_Master> ;)

00:32 <zombie67> I use one without security problems

00:32 <zombie67> ;)

00:33 <Tank_Master> so no ff then

00:33 <zombie67> no

00:33 <Tank_Master> good man

00:33 <zombie67> safari

00:35 <zombie67> FF shows only 1/2 of the third "0"

00:39 <Tank_Master> ie shows all 4 with some room to spare

00:40 <zombie67> I wonder if it has something to do with the default font

00:40 <Tank_Master> possable

00:42 <Tank_Master> zombie

00:42 <Tank_Master> can you stop by the new mb I gave you?

00:42 <Tank_Master> for my team

00:42 <Tank_Master> the phpBB3

00:44 <Tank_Master> do you see the chat window at the bottome?

01:06 <zombie67> back

01:07 <zombie67> http://www.setiusa.net/phpBB3/ ?  no chat window do I see (yoda)

01:07 <Romulus> Title: Team SETI.USA Index page (at www.setiusa.net)

01:08 <zombie67> moving to another machine.  brb

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01:17 <zombie67> hi mweltin

01:17 <mweltin> hey

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01:25 <mweltin> what is rsc_disk_bound ?

01:42 <Tank_Master> mw!

01:48 <mweltin> TANK!

01:49 <Tank_Master> sup?

01:49 <mweltin> I installed the ga and trying to get the work generator done.

01:49 <mweltin> Had a close call with the dog too.

01:49 <Tank_Master> gl ;)

01:49 <mweltin> he ate some trash and has a bowel obstruction.

01:49 <mweltin> he is doing better but not out of the woods yet.

01:49 <mweltin> The only vet on island is in Apia until the 22nd.

01:50 <mweltin> I have to just hope he pulls through on his own.

01:50 <Tank_Master> lol

01:50 <Tank_Master> that sucks

01:50 <mweltin> yeah

01:52 <mweltin> how are things for you doing?

01:53 <Tank_Master> not to bad

01:54 <Tank_Master> my team admin is updating the form

01:54 <Tank_Master> to phpbb3

01:54 <Tank_Master> and our WCG race started today

01:54 <mweltin> cool

01:55 <mweltin> what is WCG ?

01:55 <Tank_Master> Worl Community Grid

01:55 <Tank_Master> its base is actually older than BOINC

01:56 <Tank_Master> but they recently switched to BOIN and are fasing out support for their own client

01:56 <mweltin> so its not a boinc thing at all

01:56 <mweltin> ahhh

01:56 <Tank_Master> they poerted to BOINC a few years ago, but only officially for linix and MAC

01:56 <mweltin> polished site.

01:56 <Tank_Master> though windows would work...

01:57 <Tank_Master> they had their windows only client they built before BOINC was around

01:57 <mweltin> Discovering Dengue Drugs ? Together

01:57 <Tank_Master> but like I said, they recent started to fase that old thing out

01:57 <Tank_Master> yeah, and meny otheres

01:57 <mweltin> We have lots of Dengue here.

01:58 <Tank_Master> its funded by IBM, with oxferd doing most of the science

01:58 <mweltin> My friend Jeff and his GF were the first cases this year.

01:58 <mweltin> had to go off island for treatment.

01:58 <Tank_Master> its the top most stable project in all of the BOINC projects

01:58 <Tank_Master> and best funded

01:59 <mweltin> powered by IBM logo

01:59 <Tank_Master> what is Dengue?

01:59 <mweltin> there are 4 kinds and basicly you feel like you want to die.

01:59 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:59 <mweltin> you bones hurt, you muscle hurt, your eyes hurt.

01:59 <Tank_Master> ouch

01:59 <mweltin> it sucks.

01:59 <Tank_Master> not fun

02:00 <mweltin> type one you will live if you are not already weak fromsomething else.

02:00 <Tank_Master> how can one;s bones hurt?

02:00 <mweltin> but the other your prognosis is not good.

02:00 <Tank_Master> theres no nerves there

02:00 <mweltin> I dont' know but that is a symptom.

02:01 <mweltin> and a high fever

02:01 <Tank_Master> huh

02:01 <mweltin> did you her the news?  I may get an off island server for christmas.

02:01 <Tank_Master> sweet

02:01 <Tank_Master> from povaddict?

02:02 <mweltin> no a friend of mine Dr.McLoven is his TSP user name.

02:02 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:02 <Tank_Master> still, nice offer

02:02 <mweltin> yeah its some virtual machine with a T1.

02:03 <mweltin> sits in the Piddoch buiding downtown.

02:03 <mweltin> where all the big wigs have servers.

02:05 <Tank_Master> ugg, T1

02:05 <Tank_Master> nice

02:05 <Tank_Master> T1 is slower than most people think

02:06 <Tank_Master> but its proabbably faster thwn what you have now

02:06 <mweltin> faster than 128kb

02:06 <Tank_Master> yeah ;)

02:06 <Tank_Master> 1.5mb

02:13 <Tank_Master> man

02:13 <mweltin> what?

02:13 <Tank_Master> you can tell with MAC2312 joined the WCG team...

02:13 <Tank_Master> http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=6FG4T4VRP1

02:13 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1J2X> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

02:14 <Tank_Master> when*

02:15 <mweltin> dude SWEET, I just got anohter invite to dive with the Governor

02:15 <Tank_Master> nice

02:15 <Tank_Master> man, you live in a sweet place ;)

02:15 <mweltin> life could be better.

02:15 <mweltin> comes at a good time too.

02:16 <mweltin> the commerce dept is dragging its heals on my business license.

02:16 <mweltin> a little face time with the gov might fix that.

02:16 <Tank_Master> lol

02:16 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:16 <mweltin> sooner or later it has to end up on his desk.

02:17 <Tank_Master> true

02:17 <Tank_Master> "oh, hehe, whs that the piece of paper I used to clean up the spilled coffie?"

02:18 <mweltin> haha

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02:20 <mweltin> dude this is getting better, I just a letter form a guy that wants to help with a ACO algorithm.

02:20 <mweltin> Ant Colony Optimization

02:20 <mweltin> it was either that or simulated annealing was next.

02:21 <Tank_Master> lol

02:21 <Tank_Master> y not both?

02:22 <mweltin> there app on their web site is slow as death.

02:22 <Tank_Master> pritty soon your going to have more subprojects than you can shake a stick at

02:22 <mweltin> uk.geocties.com/marksinclair/aco.html

02:22 <mweltin> thats that plan.

02:22 <mweltin> got my first negative post today too.

02:22 <Tank_Master> Sorry, the page you requested was not found.

02:23 <mweltin> mmmmm

02:23 <Tank_Master> oh?

02:23 <mweltin> uk.geocities.com/markcsinclair/aco.html

02:23 <mweltin> see if romi comes back with something

02:23 <mweltin> http://uk.geocities.com/markcsinclair/aco.html

02:23 <Romulus> Title: Ant Colony Optimisation (at uk.geocities.com)

02:23 <Tank_Master> there we go

02:23 <mweltin> thats is

02:23 <mweltin> it*

02:26 <mweltin> ok two GA workunits just went out the door.

02:26 <Tank_Master> sweet

02:27 <mweltin> geee this is a 9 city tsp with ACO and its still running.

02:27 <mweltin> not sure I want this guy owrking on it.

02:28 <Tank_Master> hey, if you can build me a 64bit win app that dosent have checkpointing or progress report, ill run it 50/50 with ABC on all my 64bit comps after my WCG race ;)

02:28 <mweltin> will do

02:28 <Tank_Master> sweet

02:28 <Tank_Master> Ill be in the race till jan 5th

02:28 <Tank_Master> so PLENTY of time

02:29 <mweltin> cool, I have a few things to fix before then.

02:29 <mweltin> oh yeah so back to this negative comment.

02:29 <zombie67> back

02:29 <mweltin> it was in the posts talking about the right way to generate paths

02:30 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:30 <Tank_Master> by doing it his way, right?

02:30 <mweltin> he offers no real insight, critisized the current algorithm, and then says this is not a good boinc project.

02:30 <Tank_Master> lol

02:30 <mweltin> he didn't have a way

02:31 <Tank_Master> theres people who will attack any project that disent fit their ideoligy

02:31 <mweltin> he obviously didn't read the earlier posts.

02:31 <zombie67> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mPhnDqU_hY

02:31 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Fairytale of New York (at www.youtube.com)

02:31 <Tank_Master> "your project sucks cus some platform I cant run gets more credit tham my platform"

02:32 <mweltin> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/forum_thread.php?id=56&nowrap=true#679

02:32 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1J2r> (at bob.myisland.as)

02:32 <mweltin> hahaah I have gotten that one before too.

02:32 <Tank_Master> yeah, form me, cept I understand y

02:33 <Tank_Master> may not like it, but I do understand it

02:33 <zombie67> coming from a mac user....

02:33 <Tank_Master> z!

02:33 <mweltin> well crunch3r should have a windows ga app soon.

02:33 <zombie67> most projects apps work better on other platforms

02:34 <Tank_Master> lol

02:34 <Tank_Master> true

02:34 <mweltin> takes about 400 min on my box.

02:34 <Tank_Master> cept cruncher's MAC app for APS

02:34 <zombie67> which is not reachable

02:34 <Tank_Master> how often are you checkpointing, mw?

02:34 <zombie67> WCG is a great project

02:34 <Tank_Master> for the MAC?

02:35 <zombie67> they are basically a DC source for research prohjectas

02:35 <zombie67> projects

02:35 <mweltin> only when the client wants to.

02:35 <mweltin> I think I check too often again.

02:35 <zombie67> The Lattice Project is similar

02:35 <mweltin> I forgot about that.

02:36 <Tank_Master> you mentioned "proably every few milisec"

02:36 <Tank_Master> which is way to high

02:36 <zombie67> TM:  for macs, the project apps are slower than win or linux.

02:36 <Tank_Master> spending to much i/o on saving

02:37 <Tank_Master> I need to get back into lattice

02:37 <Tank_Master> just to meny projects now

02:37 <mweltin> it only checkpoints based on a boinc api funcion.

02:37 <Tank_Master> not enough comp power

02:37 <mweltin> boinc_time_to_checkpoint

02:37 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok, MW, so every 60 sec by default

02:37 <mweltin> which is set in the client.

02:38 <mweltin> Gotta say, it has to one of the worst credit projects around, but that is only based on 1 wu to date. I hope it gets better soon!

02:38 <mweltin> new post

02:38 <mweltin> what is that site that shows how your project compares with others as far as credits.

02:38 <zombie67> here's the thing:  1)  I understand why PPC apps are slower.  no motivation to optimize.  2)  intel apps shoudl be FASTER than win or linux.  No need to exclude optimizations due to legacy processors.

02:39 <mweltin> intel is a arch and win and linux are OS's

02:39 <mweltin> I'm not sure what you mean?

02:40 <zombie67> I mean an app for OSX/intel shoudl be faster than Win/Intel

02:40 <Tank_Master> he's refering to intel compatible OSs to the PPC

02:40 <Tank_Master> or not ;)

02:41 <Tank_Master> y should the odx/intel be faster than win/intel?

02:41 <zombie67> win/intel apps cannot take advantage of SSE/1/2/3/4

02:41 <mweltin> see I would figure that was a compiler issue.

02:41 <zombie67> they must allow for older processors

02:41 <zombie67> legacy

02:41 <zombie67> for OSX/Intel, the oldest processor is Core

02:42 <Tank_Master> ahh, true

02:42 <Tank_Master> unless its 64bit

02:42 <zombie67> by default, all apps should take advantage of SSE/1/2/3

02:42 <zombie67> 64 bit is different

02:42 <zombie67> core is not 64 bit

02:42 <zombie67> tiger is not fully 64 bit

02:43 <Tank_Master> true

02:43 <zombie67> so legacy must be be honored with regard to 64 bit

02:43 <Tank_Master> amd athonx64 was only SSE, correct?

02:43 <zombie67> not sure

02:43 <zombie67> X2 is SSE2

02:43 <Tank_Master> seemed like the first gen was

02:44 <zombie67> back to my point:  OSX/intel apps should be faster!

02:44 <Tank_Master> yeah, but Im not talkin about those ;)

02:44 <zombie67> but I think that people are in the habit of NOT using SSE/1/2/3

02:44 <Tank_Master> simap uses SSE1

02:44 <Tank_Master> but I think your right

02:44 <Tank_Master> mmx at best

02:44 <zombie67> they just port over the same non-sse* from the win or lin apps

02:45 <zombie67> and that is a HUGE waste

02:46 <Tank_Master> teh core2 dose help some with running older SSE apps much faster

02:46 <mweltin> OMG

02:46 <Tank_Master> WHAT?

02:46 <zombie67> ?

02:46 <mweltin> the guy that was bitching about the credits

02:46 <zombie67> si?

02:46 <Tank_Master> hasnt ran one WU

02:46 <mweltin> he claimed 53

02:46 <zombie67> ?!

02:46 <mweltin> he got one back

02:46 <Tank_Master> LOL

02:46 <zombie67> against a 6.5 WU?

02:47 <Tank_Master> he's inflating his benchmarks

02:47 <mweltin> smae workunit but someone else 14.98 claimed.

02:47 <Tank_Master> really easy to do

02:47 <mweltin> both on Win XP.

02:47 <Tank_Master> yep

02:47 <Tank_Master> sounds like a cheeter ;)

02:47 <mweltin> and he is on Pov's team.

02:47 <Tank_Master> huh

02:48 <mweltin> final front ear

02:48 <mweltin> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/workunit.php?wuid=197111

02:48 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1J35> (at bob.myisland.as)

02:48 <Tank_Master> hey, mw

02:48 <zombie67> ah, 6.5 was another project.  sorry

02:49 <Tank_Master> would you like a P4 3.4 with win x64 to test with?

02:49 <zombie67> benchmarks are not cracy big

02:49 <Tank_Master> I could potentually give you remote access to one of my comps at work

02:49 <mweltin> ahhh

02:49 <Tank_Master> some one I have bryan from RS access to

02:49 <mweltin> sounds good.

02:50 <Tank_Master> might help test faster ;)

02:50 <Tank_Master> get a logmein account (www.logmein.com)

02:50 <mweltin> yeah

02:50 <zombie67> oddd

02:50 <Tank_Master> ?

02:50 <zombie67> the reason for the large claim, is the long run time

02:50 <Tank_Master> www.logmein.com

02:50 <Tank_Master> rommie?

02:50 <Tank_Master> you sleeping again?

02:51 <mweltin> you need the http

02:51 <Tank_Master> didnt in the past...

02:51 <Tank_Master> that must have changed

02:51 <zombie67> gas giant is not a cheater, that I recall

02:51 <mweltin> is this graphical ?

02:51 <Tank_Master> well, thats good

02:51 <zombie67> the overclaim is very odd

02:51 <Tank_Master> yes

02:51 <mweltin> vnc and stuff like that doesn't work from here.

02:52 <Tank_Master> its an activeX in IE

02:52 <zombie67> too much lag

02:52 <mweltin> If I could ssh in that would work.

02:52 <Tank_Master> 256b encripted

02:52 <Tank_Master> dunno how to set up ssh

02:52 <mweltin> I was using some webbased on for the hospital I was working for and I had to give up on it.

02:52 <Tank_Master> and I dont have access tot he router

02:52 <mweltin> no worries.

02:53 <Tank_Master> worth a try

02:53 <mweltin> I have a friend in salem that may help out.

02:53 <Tank_Master> and if your not updating the screen much, it should be to bad

02:53 <zombie67> mweltin, you are saying gas giant is the cheater?

02:53 <mweltin> no

02:53 <mweltin> it was what I thought at first.

02:53 <mweltin> when I looked at the 53 clained credits.

02:54 <zombie67> are you saying GG is the complainer?

02:54 <zombie67> I can't tell if we are talking about two different peoplr

02:54 <mweltin> no same guy.

02:55 <Tank_Master> The Gas Giant

02:55 <Tank_Master> he's the one who said this project grants to low

02:55 <Tank_Master> but I think WCG is one of the lower/est proejects

02:55 <zombie67> odd.  He is a big malaria control guy

02:55 <zombie67> their credits are pretty low

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02:57 <zombie67> I have seen a problem on MW or POEM, where a stock client 5.10.30 is WAY over benchmarked.

02:57 <zombie67> GG has 10.20 too

02:57 <Tank_Master> it is?

02:57 <zombie67> 10.30

02:57 <mweltin> what was the site that compared all the projects to eachother?

02:57 <Tank_Master> I have 5.10.30 all most of my clients now

02:57 <zombie67> http://boinc.netsoft-online.com/e107_plugins/boinc/get_cpcs.php

02:57 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1-OU> (at boinc.netsoft-online.com)

02:57 <Tank_Master> on*

02:59 <zombie67> I notice GG's machine you gave the URl to is a P4 with a benchmark of a much faster machine

03:00 <zombie67> this is a 3ghz 8-way mac:  http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/show_host_detail.php?hostid=1211

03:00 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1$ft> (at bob.myisland.as)

03:01 <zombie67> something is not adding up.  not sure if it is the client, cheating, or what.

03:01 <mweltin> we must be talking about differnet folks then.  He has a 3GHZ win xp box.

03:01 <mweltin> and the the guy with the other result had a slower box.

03:02 <zombie67> he has a 3ghz P4

03:02 <zombie67> that is WAY slower than a 3ghz XEON X5365

03:02 <zombie67> and the P4 is 1core, 2 threads.

03:02 <zombie67> the mac is 8 real cores

03:03 <Tank_Master> xeons rock

03:03 <mweltin> he is three times higher then what was granted on average when I did my test

03:04 <zombie67> his benchmarks are too high.  but I don't think high enough to explain the claim.

03:04 <Tank_Master> maybe his CPU has only 1MB cache?

03:04 <Tank_Master> so it was swapin in n out of main mem?

03:05 <zombie67> it is an older P4, I think

03:05 <zombie67> any dog owner will like this

03:06 <Tank_Master> then no HT

03:06 <zombie67> excuse the lines

03:06 <zombie67> Tycho Brahe:  There's something wrong with my cat's....  You know...  His, um...  his butthole.

03:06 <zombie67> Vet:  Is there an odor?

03:06 <zombie67> Tycho Brahe:  Yeah, it's... powerful.  I would describe it as "unrelenting."  I'm haunted by it.

03:06 <zombie67> Vet:  It probably just needs its anal glands expressed.

03:06 <zombie67> Tycho Brahe:  Wow.  That's exactly what I didn't want to know.  So, thanks.  Now, I'll know that forever.  Can't wait to keep on thinking about that.  That's...sweet.

03:06 <zombie67> Vet:  It's a very simple procedure.  I could show you how to do it at home.

03:06 <zombie67> Tycho Brahe:  Seriously?  God, yeah.  That would be great.

03:06 <zombie67> --  Penny Arcade

03:06 <mweltin> LOL

03:06 <Tank_Master> figures

03:08 <Tank_Master> dose the WCG charts only update once a day?

03:08 <mweltin> I'm higher than I should be on credits.

03:09 <Tank_Master> wow

03:09 <mweltin> mmmm that didn't come out right.

03:09 <Tank_Master> your best path now shows portland as closer to seattle than it did before

03:10 <mweltin> I mean TSP according to the netsoft site shows me granting more credits than most other projects.

03:10 <zombie67> charts are updated 2x daily, I think

03:10 <Tank_Master> your high all right ;)

03:10 <mweltin> infact more than all

03:10 <mweltin> lol

03:11 <mweltin> not on this island

03:11 <Tank_Master> that chart dosent take in account for different platforms, dose it?

03:11 <Tank_Master> cus if its compairing only the linux platform....

03:11 <mweltin> then I'd be way off the mark

03:12 <zombie67> Found it!: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/10/22

03:12 <Romulus> Title: Penny Arcade! - Darkest Revelations (at www.penny-arcade.com)

03:12 <mweltin> it might be

03:12 <mweltin> number of hosts is very low.

03:13 <mweltin> number of total hosts that is.

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03:15 <Tank_Master> im off to bed

03:15 <Tank_Master> gn all yall

03:15 <zombie67> gn

03:16 <mweltin> later

03:35 <Soul_keeper> muahahaha

03:35 <Soul_keeper> there is nothing stopping me now !!!

03:35 <mweltin> take ver the world?

03:42 <zombie67> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnne6N0c9ho

03:42 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - mazzy star - halah (at www.youtube.com)

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03:45 <mweltin> will this take long to download?

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03:45 <mweltin> I gave up on youtube a while ago.

04:06 <mweltin> I'm going to bed early too.

04:06 <mweltin> lets hope those ga results get sent out soon.

04:06 <mweltin> I'm not sure how the feeder works.

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04:18 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 19.6F / -6.9C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy until late afternoon...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows in the lower 20s. South winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday - (1 more message)

04:18 <CoderForLife> &more

04:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:41 <CoderForLife> plink 62.205.163.156 - trying to fetch various URLs from my web server

05:25 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

05:25 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 34.3F / 1.3C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 23.59in / 798.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 10 to 18. Light winds.; Monday - Partly cloudy. Highs around 44. Light winds.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 16 to 22. Light winds.;

05:36 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

05:36 <CoderForLife> later

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06:04 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

06:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 8F / -13C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the lower 30s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Not as cold. Low in the lower 20s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 30s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;

06:46 <hawmps> 'lo

06:47 <wdsmia> morning

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06:51 <hawmps> burrrrrrr

06:51 <hawmps> 13F/-4wc

06:51 <wdsmia> thats 5F warmer than here

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06:53 * wdsmia hopes Hillary is freezing her **** off this morning lol

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07:06 <wdsmia> well time to get ready for w@#%

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10:39 <PriitM> 15 hour WU SETI@home :<

11:18 <BadBarbarian> bigstones lol

11:28 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

11:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 37.6F / 3.1C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 23.59in / 798.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 10.1mph / 16.3km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 43. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 15 to 21. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy in the (1 more message)

11:28 <BadBarbarian> &more

11:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs around 43. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the late morning and afternoon.;

11:49 <PovAddict> BOINC 5.10.30 for win and mac now marked recommended

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13:19 <TM-Work> yo yoyo!

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13:26 <TM-Work> &weather 97007

13:26 <Romulus> TM-Work: Temperature: 44.6F / 7.0C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Showers decreasing. Highs 40 to 45. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Chance of showers this evening...then rain after midnight. Lows 35 to 40. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Near The Gorge...east wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 25 (1 more message)

13:26 <TM-Work> &more

13:26 <Romulus> TM-Work: mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Rain. Highs around 45. South 15 to 25 mph in the morning...becoming southwest 10 to 20 mph by afternoon.; Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 6:00 AM PST on December 18, 2007;

13:26 <TM-Work> wtf is a "special weather statement"?

13:27 <PovAddict> o.o

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13:31 <TM-Work> Special weather statements are many times used for a hazard that no product exists for, such as widespread funnel clouds

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13:57 <Bikerbob> anyone here installed boinc client on linux?

13:57 <hawmps> could be for black ice too...

13:57 <hawmps> Bikerbob: most of us have..

13:57 <hawmps> what distro?

13:58 <Bikerbob> ummmm puppylinux is what I am trying to install it in.

13:58 <Bikerbob> Slackware 12 compatible.. but I cant find a slack pkg for boinc

13:59 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: most distros don't have BOINC packages; those that do usually have very outdated packages

13:59 <PovAddict> somebody who had installed boinc from gentoo portage had a 2-year-old version...

13:59 <PriitM> just download .sh from boinc site

13:59 <Bikerbob> ok

14:00 <PriitM> I'm being offered 5.4.11-5 from synaptic :/

14:00 <PovAddict> heh

14:00 <PovAddict> I heard BOINC 6.x will be out for testing soon

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14:01 <mweltin> what are the units of the rsc_memory_bound?

14:02 <PovAddict> mweltin: bytes

14:02 <Bikerbob> ok.. now the .sh will exc. itself ?

14:02 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: give it executable permissions and run it

14:02 <TM-Work> mw!

14:04 <Bikerbob> now I need to run the binstall.sh?

14:04 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: no, it already ran :)

14:04 <mweltin> hey guys

14:04 <PovAddict> execute run_manager, if you have a graphical interface

14:05 <mweltin> my ga workunits are failing but at least its quick.

14:05 <Bikerbob> so PovAddict if I just click boinc.. thats not going to give me a manager.

14:05 <Bikerbob> where can I get a manager for it?

14:05 <PovAddict> I told you, run_manager

14:05 <Bikerbob> that should be in the BOINC dir?

14:05 <PriitM> yeah

14:05 <PovAddict> yes, should be

14:06 <mweltin> 1e8 is my memory bound.

14:06 <PovAddict> &math convert 1e8 bytes to MiB

14:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: 95.3674316406

14:06 <mweltin> is that how much memory the program needs as far as ram goes?

14:06 <PovAddict> mweltin: yes, that's maximum 95MB RAM

14:06 <Bikerbob> not there.

14:06 <PovAddict> workunits won't be sent to computers without enough memory, and the client may kill your app if it ever goes above the limit

14:07 <Bikerbob> run_client?

14:07 <mweltin> crap

14:07 <PovAddict> mweltin: does it use more than 95MB?!

14:07 <mweltin> ok that means a much smaller population size.

14:07 <mweltin> I'm not sure how to check that.

14:07 <mweltin> will top tell me that.

14:07 <PovAddict> yes, should...

14:07 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: ah hmm... you probably got the "compatible" .sh...

14:08 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: well, seems you don't have a manager then (ugh)... you could try surviving with boinc_cmd: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BoincCmd

14:08 <Romulus> Title: BoincCmd - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

14:08 <Bikerbob> boinc_5.10.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

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14:10 <Bikerbob> checked my processes I am running boinc.. lol

14:10 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: yeah, that's the core client

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14:11 <Bikerbob> ok.. do I need to dl the manager.. is there a seperate pkg anywhwere for that?

14:11 <mweltin> PovAddict, I get a mem percentage, but let me read the man page there are a bunch of columns I'm nto sure what they are.

14:11 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: the devs found it quite impossible to build the manager in a way that runs on all distros

14:13 <Bikerbob> well most ubuntu stuff should run on this.. especially if I go backport a bit

14:14 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: then get the 'ubuntu' package from boinc site :)

14:14 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

14:14 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

14:14 <mweltin> PovAddict, top shows I'm using 14MB (The non-swapped physical memory a task has used)

14:15 <PovAddict> mweltin: how much total virtual memory?

14:15 <PovAddict> waitaminute

14:15 <PovAddict> the error was about CPU time limit, not memory

14:15 <mweltin> 14876 Kb Virt

14:15 <PovAddict> "exceeded CPU time limit 1.836639"

14:16 <TM-Work> lol

14:17 <Bikerbob> up and running.. thanks PovAddict

14:17 <mweltin> I thought that was the rsc_fpop_bound?

14:17 <PovAddict> mweltin: yep

14:18 <PovAddict> mweltin: so why are you looking at the memory limit?

14:18 <mweltin> I must have been confused by the error message.

14:18 <mweltin> I did the calucation the same way.

14:18 <mweltin> benchmark * the app run time

14:19 <PovAddict> well, your limit seems to be 1 second :)

14:19 <mweltin> 2385480000

14:19 <PovAddict> let's see...

14:20 <PovAddict> &math calc 2385480000 / 2237012578.616352

14:20 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1.06636861268

14:20 <PovAddict> 1 second on my computer

14:20 <PovAddict> <p_fpops>2237012578.616352</p_fpops>

14:20 <mweltin> what is p_fpops ?

14:21 <PovAddict> floating point operations

14:21 <PovAddict> that's my fp benchmarks

14:21 <mweltin> ok my floating point benchmark was 965

14:21 <mweltin> and the app took 412 minutes

14:22 <PovAddict> 965? do you have a 1MHz computer?

14:22 <PovAddict> did the manager print 965?

14:22 <mweltin> yes

14:22 <PovAddict> then that's divided by 1000 (or 1000000, I dont remember)

14:23 <mweltin> MIPS aaahhhhhhh

14:23 <PovAddict> yep

14:23 <PovAddict> not 965 operations per second

14:23 <mweltin> I assume M is for Mega 10^6

14:23 <PovAddict> 965 *million* operations per second

14:23 <mweltin> hahahahahahahahaa

14:23 <PovAddict> to get the real value:

14:23 <PovAddict> $ grep p_fpops client_state.xml

14:24 <Bikerbob> why would the boinc client use 4 processes ? or have I clicked too many times.. lol

14:24 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: you mean four 'boinc' processes?

14:24 <TM-Work> m is for micro, not mili

14:25 <Bikerbob> no the poject I am doing is seti.. and seti is running 4 processes all the same size.. or thats just how it works the data?

14:25 <PovAddict> TM-Work: we're talking about kilo and mega, not milli or micro

14:25 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: what CPU do you have?

14:25 <Bikerbob> this machine is a Athlon 700  ..

14:25 <PovAddict> if it's a quad-core, there is an obvious reason why there are four processes :)

14:25 <Bikerbob> I wish..

14:25 <Bikerbob> lol

14:25 <PovAddict> :D

14:25 <mweltin> <p_fpops>965250965.250965</p_fpops>

14:26 <PovAddict> mweltin: told ya

14:26 <PovAddict> multiply with *that*

14:26 <Bikerbob> yah.. Athlon 700 modded.. quad core.. boy!!

14:28 <Bikerbob> hmm.. missed the humor on that one eh?

14:28 * PovAddict is not familiar with AMD model names/numbers

14:28 <mweltin> 2.3861e13

14:28 <Bikerbob> ok.. well can I just drage the run_manager to the desktop to create an icon? I guess eh?

14:28 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: yes

14:29 <PovAddict> not the boinc_mgr executable, but yes you can move the run_manager launcher script anywhere

14:30 <TM-Work> athon 700 is only 700 MHz

14:30 <hawmps> just make a desktop link to it...

14:32 <Bikerbob> hmmm.. yepper TM-Work

14:32 <Bikerbob> yeah thats what I did hawmps and set the icon.

14:33 <mweltin> upgrades are not working as well as they should

14:33 <mweltin> I have to edit my workunit cancel script again.

14:35 <Bikerbob> all right only 21 more hours till my first unit done.. lol

14:38 <mweltin> ok new workunits are out

14:38 <mweltin> lets see how they do.

14:39 <PovAddict> *crash*

14:39 <mweltin> LOL

14:39 <PovAddict> I remember I once typed wrong numbers on the workunit input file...

14:39 <PovAddict> sent the work out

14:39 <PovAddict> and went away

14:39 <Bikerbob> so what project are you guys talking about?

14:39 <PovAddict> when I came back, my computer was really laggy

14:39 <PovAddict> turns out it was using almost as much as my total physical memory

14:39 <PovAddict> it was swapping like mad

14:40 <PovAddict> scary thing is, probably I had got more than one user in the same situation :-\

14:40 <mweltin> Bikerbob, TSP

14:40 <Bikerbob> is it just me.. or is anyone surprised that no one has used this to find a better answer (than 42) to the ultimate question

14:40 <Bikerbob> ?? lol

14:40 <PovAddict> lol!

14:40 <Bikerbob> HA! I knew someone would get that.

14:41 <PovAddict> &google calc the answer to life, the universe and everything

14:41 <Romulus> PovAddict: the answer to life, the universe and everything = 42

14:41 <mweltin> even the bot gets it

14:41 <Bikerbob> yep.. its universal.

14:42 <Bikerbob> damm mice.

14:43 <mweltin> I can't believe I didn't get any of my own ga workunits.

14:45 <mweltin> I'm out for a while

14:45 <mweltin> dog walk and all

14:45 <mweltin> thanks PovAddict

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15:20 <hawmps> laterz..

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15:26 <RedBlade7> hi, i had come here yesterday asking about why there was no progress on any workunit, you guys told me that the preferences were set to only work on idle time, i fixed that...

15:26 <RedBlade7> but enigma@home and yoyo@home refuse to change

15:26 <RedBlade7> i've updated, suspended, etc. doesn't work

15:26 <PovAddict> hmm

15:26 <RedBlade7> and the prefs on the web site say to work anytime

15:26 <PovAddict> I think enigma never updates its progress

15:27 <PovAddict> as long as the CPU time elapsed is going up, it's fine :)

15:27 <RedBlade7> only those projects, the rest are fine

15:27 <PovAddict> yoyo updates, but infrequently

15:27 <PovAddict> maybe in some hours it will suddenly jump to 10%

15:27 <RedBlade7> pov: the cpu time is going up. but shouldn't the workunit keep going when it's set to?

15:27 <RedBlade7> oh ok

15:27 <PovAddict> enigma will show as 0% all the time

15:28 <PovAddict> but eventually will jump to 100% and upload the result back :)

15:28 <yoyo_RKN> yoyo updates in 12,5% steps

15:28 <RedBlade7> oh

15:28 <PovAddict> yoyo: what app?

15:28 <yoyo_RKN> cruncher

15:28 <RedBlade7> shouldn't have abandoned that 35% workunit then :(

15:28 <PovAddict> yoyo: how's progress bar on ogr?

15:29 <yoyo_RKN> it is cruncher, in 12,5% steps

15:29 <PovAddict> wait crap

15:29 <yoyo_RKN> there are 8 tasks in the job.xml for wrapper

15:29 <PovAddict> I meant

15:29 <PovAddict> how's progress bar on evo

15:29 <yoyo_RKN> ah

15:29 <yoyo_RKN> update every 30s

15:30 <PovAddict> cool

15:30 <RedBlade7> i'm only doing ogr

15:30 <yoyo_RKN> but the estimated time is estimated and so also the progress bar

15:30 <yoyo_RKN> means wu can finish at 40% or 150%

15:30 <PovAddict> lol

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15:30 <PovAddict> kinda useless progressbar then! :)

15:30 <PovAddict> at least it makes it look busy

15:31 <RedBlade7> lol

15:31 <yoyo_RKN> better than no progress bar

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16:03 <TM-Work> wb PM

16:03 <yoyo_RKN> &weather st. petersburg

16:03 <Romulus> yoyo_RKN: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 13mph / 22km/h | Updated: 11:30 PM MSK; Overcast. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Overcast. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Overcast. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Overcast. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 F. / 1 C.;

16:04 <yoyo_RKN> $weather berlin

16:04 <PovAddict> wrong symbol

16:04 <yoyo_RKN> &weather berlin

16:04 <Romulus> yoyo_RKN: Temperature: 30°F / -1°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.74in / 1041hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 9:50 PM CET; Scattered Clouds. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 F. / -4 C.; Clear. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Clear. Low:22 F. / -5 C.; Clear. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Clear. Low:22 F. / -5 C.;

16:05 <TM-Work> chilly

16:05 <yoyo_RKN> &weather moscow

16:05 <Romulus> yoyo_RKN: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 11:30 PM MSK; Overcast. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Overcast. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Overcast. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F. / -3 C.;

16:05 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

16:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 79°F / 26°C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ART; Clear. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Clear. Low:66 F. / 19 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Clear. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Clear. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Clear. Low:66 F. / 19 C.;

16:05 <TM-Work> &weather seattle, WA

16:06 <Romulus> TM-Work: Temperature: 44F / 7C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy with scattered showers. Highs in the upper 30s to mid 40s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Scattered showers and partial clearing through the evening. An increasing chance of rain after midnight. Lows in the 30s. (1 more message)

16:06 <TM-Work> &more

16:06 <Romulus> TM-Work: Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Rain...breezy. Highs in the 40s. South wind 15 to 25 mph.;

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16:06 <TM-Work> "lows in the 30s" is rather vage

16:06 <yoyo_RKN> ah seattle, I was there some years ago

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16:07 <TM-Work> its where im heading for xmas

16:07 <TM-Work> wb pov

16:07 <TM-Work> what were you doin in seattle?

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16:08 <yoyo_RKN> I made a business trip

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16:08 <TM-Work> nice

16:08 <TM-Work> what time of year?

16:08 <yoyo_RKN> think it was in October

16:09 <yoyo_RKN> 3 weeks

16:09 <TM-Work> ahh, beginning of the rainy season

16:09 <TM-Work> oct-june

16:10 <yoyo_RKN> a lot of work, without much spare time, working also in the night and on weekends

16:10 <TM-Work> ouch

16:10 <TM-Work> what were you doing?

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16:11 <yoyo_RKN> We were a team of 10 which made concepts and software architecture for one customer

16:11 <TM-Work> ahh, nice

16:12 <yoyo_RKN> but there was no contract afterwards, so many things were for the trash

16:13 <TM-Work> well that sucks

16:15 <yoyo_RKN> but some concepts were the base for some development we did in the past and which other customers wanted

16:16 <TM-Work> so you didnt build it from scrtach at least...

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16:24 <A_Bach> helo

16:25 <A_Bach> is there any other # for boinc... in other language?

16:32 <TM-Work> dunno

16:32 <TM-Work> this is the only channle I know of for BOINC

16:32 <TM-Work> however most here do speek more than just english

16:33 <A_Bach> polish f.e. ?

16:33 <A_Bach> cos i have 1 little problem with my client

16:33 <PovAddict> A_Bach: do you have Skype?

16:33 <TM-Work> seems like I rememebr som,eone who frequents here can speek that

16:33 <BadBarbarian> wait one min

16:33 <A_Bach> now? not . havent instaled on linux yet

16:33 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/help_lang.php?lang=Polish

16:33 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JDx> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

16:34 <A_Bach> mabye i will try to talk in en. :)

16:34 <BadBarbarian> http://www.setiathome.pl/home_polish.shtml

16:34 <Romulus> Title: Polski serwer projektu SETI@Home (at www.setiathome.pl)

16:35 <A_Bach> i'm using xubuntu amd64, ( on athlon 64x2)

16:35 <BadBarbarian> http://www.boincatpoland.org/

16:35 <A_Bach> boinc manager - 5.10.8

16:35 <Romulus> Title: BOINC@Poland (at www.boincatpoland.org)

16:36 <A_Bach> those sites i already wisited

16:36 <BadBarbarian> ok

16:36 <A_Bach> (visited)

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16:37 <A_Bach> on windows i have option in manager to change: how many procesors he can use

16:37 <PovAddict> on all platforms you have that option

16:37 <A_Bach> on linux boinc is using only 1 procesor

16:38 <PovAddict> what project? (so that I give you the correct link)

16:38 <A_Bach> on linux me is counting only sha1

16:38 <PovAddict> http://boinc.iaik.tugraz.at/sha1_coll_search/prefs_edit.php?subset=global

16:38 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JE5> (at boinc.iaik.tugraz.at)

16:39 <PovAddict> "On multiprocessors, use at most X processors"

16:39 <A_Bach> yes.

16:39 <PovAddict> what is it set to?

16:40 <A_Bach> and its set to 16

16:40 <TM-Work> good

16:40 <A_Bach> but i can see it counting only 1 work

16:40 <PovAddict> go to http://boinc.iaik.tugraz.at/sha1_coll_search/home.php and tell me the Account number (at the bottom of the page)

16:40 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JE$> (at boinc.iaik.tugraz.at)

16:41 <A_Bach> i forget password... i'm waiting to acount key

16:41 <A_Bach> my e-mail is slow

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16:44 <A_Bach> 5410

16:44 <PovAddict> strange...

16:44 <PovAddict> it *is* recognized as a dualcore

16:44 <PovAddict> http://boinc.iaik.tugraz.at/sha1_coll_search/show_host_detail.php?hostid=13500

16:44 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JED> (at boinc.iaik.tugraz.at)

16:45 * PovAddict scratches off theory

16:45 <A_Bach> Number of CPUs: 2

16:45 <A_Bach> on windows boinc is working on 2 cpus.

16:46 <A_Bach> on linux: 1

16:47 <A_Bach> mabey its becouse old version of boinc manager, but i didnt find actual *.deb

16:47 <PovAddict> multiple CPUs are probably supported since version 3.x :)

16:50 <A_Bach> i have changet "On multiprocessors, use at most X processors" to 2 cpu

16:50 <A_Bach> (from 16 to 2_

16:50 <PovAddict> now on the manager, select the SHA1 project and click Update

16:50 <A_Bach> its not nesesery now

16:50 <A_Bach> it helpt

16:51 <A_Bach> .. it is good now :)

16:52 <xcamel> 'lo

16:54 <CoderForLife> ehlo

16:55 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

16:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 26.3F / -3.2C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023.2hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4.7mph / 7.6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 20s. Light south winds.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Warmer with highs in the lower 40s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a slight (1 more message)

16:55 <CoderForLife> &more

16:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of a rain shower overnight. Warmer with lows in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

16:55 <CoderForLife> balmy

16:56 * CoderForLife breaks out the suntan lotion

16:57 <A_Bach> what is it?

16:57 <CoderForLife> that's "break", as in "to chip out of the ice"

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17:02 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

17:02 <MTughan> lol on the sunscreen.

17:04 <CoderForLife> hey Michael

17:04 <CoderForLife> I crack myself up all the time =)

17:04 <MTughan> lol

17:08 <CoderForLife> Gartner says "The Ruby Language Will Reach 4 Million

17:08 <CoderForLife> Programmers by 2013"

17:09 <PovAddict> looked at it

17:09 <PovAddict> didn't like it

17:09 <BadBarbarian> afternoon all

17:09 <MTughan> I like Perl. Haven't taken a look at Ruby...

17:09 <MTughan> 'lo BB

17:09 <BadBarbarian> 'lo MT

17:11 <CoderForLife> Ruby is the heir apparent

17:11 <MTughan> Huh?

17:11 <xcamel> re-re-hi

17:11 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

17:11 <CoderForLife> re ehlo

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17:12 <MTughan> 'lo mw

17:12 <mweltin> MTughan,

17:12 <mweltin> crunch3r hooked me up.

17:12 <MTughan> With?

17:13 <CoderForLife> ""The Rails framework is the clear "killer application" for the Ruby language, but other uses will also drive increased interest in this technology in the coming years."

17:13 <mweltin> He found a thing called STLports (windows app for tsp)

17:13 <MTughan> Nice...

17:13 <mweltin> cfl don't believe the hype

17:13 <mweltin> ruby is cool, but slow.

17:13 <PovAddict> mweltin: you were complaining about that ga app being too slow?

17:13 <mweltin> Rails is cool but not mature enough to rely on.

17:13 <PovAddict> err

17:13 <PovAddict> ant colony thing

17:14 <PovAddict> http://uk.geocities.com/markcsinclair/aco.html

17:14 <Romulus> Title: Ant Colony Optimisation (at uk.geocities.com)

17:14 <mweltin> this was the tsp app

17:14 <mweltin> yes I was

17:14 <xcamel> stupid flashplayer plugin...

17:14 <mweltin> I didn't watch it too closely

17:14 <PovAddict> mweltin: that ant colony app is slow because it waits a second between iterations so that you can watch it

17:14 <PovAddict> remove the sleep() and it will run quite fast :)

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17:14 <mweltin> makes sense

17:15 <mweltin> I never heard of STLports, is that a windows thing?

17:15 <mweltin> there are about 7 ga workunits out there waiting to be sent.

17:15 <mweltin> I need to learn more about the way jobs are sent out.

17:16 <mweltin> I still can't believe I didn't get any of those wu's

17:16 <xcamel> works in firefox, pooched in opera again

17:16 <PovAddict> xcamel: what does?

17:16 <xcamel> flashplayer

17:17 <mweltin> the guy is from Spain seems nice enough.

17:17 <PovAddict> http://www.stlport.org/product.html

17:17 <Romulus> Title: STLport: Product (at www.stlport.org)

17:17 <PovAddict> a faster STL?

17:18 <mweltin> the download is free, but is it open source?

17:19 <PovAddict> yes

17:19 <mweltin> is it platform independant?

17:19 <mweltin> more or less

17:19 <PovAddict> that's the main point of it, it's more portable than the original from SGI

17:19 <mweltin> license is "other/proprietary"

17:20 <PovAddict> http://www.stlport.org/doc/license.html

17:20 <Romulus> Title: STLport: License Agreement (at www.stlport.org)

17:23 <mweltin> I guess so, it's just not the gnu license

17:23 <mweltin> that works.

17:23 <xcamel> bbiab..

17:23 <PovAddict> it's not GPL, it's even less restrictive (can be used in closed-source programs)

17:24 <mweltin> yes I just finished reading that.

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17:24 <mweltin> I like the license, I'm down with it.

17:25 <mweltin> ok I have to go again.  Shopping this time.

17:25 <mweltin> I hate to go shopping.

17:25 <mweltin> unless I'm buying a new laptop.

17:25 <mweltin> but even then I don't like itmuch.

17:25 * TM-Work thinks w should get a real comp for this project ;)

17:25 <mweltin> I always feel like I could have gotten a better deal somehwere else.

17:26 <MTughan> Aren't you getting some space on another server?

17:26 <MTughan> I thought I read that on the TSP forums...

17:26 <mweltin> Yeah, afer christmas.

17:26 <mweltin> Dr.McLovin is goign to hook me up with a virtual server somewhere.

17:26 <MTughan> PovAddict: I've much improved my Makefile for TSP. mweltin, you might be interested in it too.

17:27 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/Makefile.tsp.txt

17:27 <mweltin> he is finding out if I get a static IP. and I'm trying to figure out how to do the move.

17:27 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JFD> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

17:27 <PovAddict> /notice MTughan try /join #drboinc

17:27 <PovAddict> ...crap lol

17:27 <mweltin> Yes very much so.

17:27 <PovAddict> agh I hate pidgin

17:27 <MTughan> No /notice?

17:27 <mweltin> PovAddict, I'm trying to get the gnu build tools working with the project source code.

17:27 <PovAddict> I ctrl-enter'd which bypasses command parsing

17:28 <MTughan> Ah.

17:28 <PovAddict> mweltin: autoconf/automake?

17:28 <MTughan> And I can't seem to join there...

17:28 <PovAddict> MTughan: and when I pressed enter the right way, I got "no such command", so yeah, no notices

17:28 <mweltin> yes PovAddict so someone can run ./configure once and just update the source from svn

17:28 <mweltin> and get a consistant build.

17:28 <PovAddict> mweltin: you don't need autohell for that

17:29 <mweltin> no but I like the use of the Makefile.am

17:29 <mweltin> and then building debug version and optimized versions will be easier.

17:29 <PovAddict> you can make your own configure script

17:29 <mweltin> I don't konw of another way.

17:29 <PovAddict> a configure script is just a shell script

17:30 <MTughan> Should I make it so that debug mode can be turned on inside mine?

17:30 <mweltin> yeah, but I don't need to reinvent it.

17:30 <PovAddict> nope, just read pages and pages of autohell docs

17:31 <mweltin> MTughan, not if you build a release

17:31 <MTughan> Yeah, it'd be a flag.

17:31 <mweltin> debug mode -DDEBUG prints a ton of stuff to sTDOUT

17:31 <PovAddict> ./configure --enable-debug

17:31 <MTughan> -g wouldn't do anything?

17:31 <mweltin> yeah that would be nice

17:32 <mweltin> no -g is fine just adds a bunch of symbols and other debug stuff.

17:32 <MTughan> So -g -DDEBUG?

17:32 <mweltin> ok Ihave to run

17:32 <mweltin> that is what I use MTughan

17:32 <MTughan> All right, see you.

17:32 <MTughan> I just use -O3 right now.

17:32 <mweltin> bye

17:32 <mweltin> won't work with ga.

17:32 <MTughan> Seems to. Compiles fine.

17:32 <mweltin> the RNG barfs on it for me.

17:32 <mweltin> cool

17:32 <mweltin> ok this time I'm really out of here.

17:33 <mweltin> bye

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17:33 <MTughan> So you're off, I'll work on mine. Bye.

17:33 <PovAddict> yeah get outta here already

17:33 <MTughan> Damn, too late...

17:33 <MTughan> P

17:33 <MTughan> :P*

17:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: Is there a way I can comment out parts in a Makefile?

17:35 <MTughan> Like have a set of debug flags that can be commented out for the normal flags.

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17:35 <PovAddic1> fux0rz

17:35 <PovAddic1> # comment

17:36 <MTughan> Thanks.

17:36 <MTughan> Oh, so just like a shell script.

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17:38 <CoderForLife> off to write an AJAX thingy in PHP

17:38 <CoderForLife> cya folks

17:38 <MTughan> Heh. Compiling with debugging flags take a lot less time.

17:38 <MTughan> Bye CFL.

17:39 <PovAddict> compiling without -O takes less time :)

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17:39 <MTughan> Yeah, that's the one.

17:39 <MTughan> Especially -O3.

17:39 <PovAddict> watch its memory usage too

17:39 <ChristmasCoder> there - that's better

17:39 <MTughan> I'm not running it.

17:39 <PovAddict> it needs a lot of RAM to keep track of all the program

17:39 <PovAddict> the compiler, that is

17:39 <MTughan> Oh, GCCs.

17:40 <MTughan> It actually starts up subprocesses, so I can't actually watch the compile, because they flash on and off within a couple hundredths of a second.

17:40 <MTughan> Fastest Activity Monitor can watch is 0.5 second intervals. No idea about top.

17:41 <PovAddict> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_propagation#The_optimizations_in_action

17:41 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JFS> (at en.wikipedia.org)

17:41 <PovAddict> a big function being reduced to just its result - that's why you need special stuff for benchmarks :)

17:42 <desti> http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=6370

17:42 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JFU> (at einstein.phys.uwm.edu)

17:42 <PovAddict> compilers may notice benchmark code is just calculating stuff and throwing away the results, so it could remove the whole thing :P

17:42 <MTughan> lol

17:42 <MTughan> "Look, this compiler produces incredibly fast results! Everyone get it!!!"

17:42 <MTughan> xD

17:42 <PovAddict> yeah

17:43 <PovAddict> optimized away the whole code

17:43 <MTughan> Hehe...

17:43 <PovAddict> 'volatile' on the variables keeping the results is usually enough

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17:44 <MTughan> Doesn't Rommie usually greet you?

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17:44 <xcamel> usually..

17:44 <MTughan> BaadBarbarian: Turned into a sheep, have we?

17:44 <PovAddict> baa

17:45 <MTughan> Anyway, I have to heat up some leftovers for dinner. See you all later.

17:45 <BaadBarbarian> darn isp

17:45 <xcamel> just finished dinner...

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17:45 <xcamel> nice tender pork roast

17:46 <xcamel> bbl...

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18:45 <xcamel> back again

18:45 <wdsmia> wb

18:46 <MTughan> Nice! http://cad-comic.com/news.php?i=1532#1533

18:46 <Romulus> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del (at cad-comic.com)

18:46 <MTughan> 'lo Jay, Doug

18:48 <MTughan> Heh. Vista is running pretty fast inside of the VM, while OS X slows down to a crawl when it's running. :P

18:49 <PovAddict> renice vmware process

18:49 <MTughan> Huh?

18:49 <MTughan> It's memory usage, not CPU.

18:49 <PovAddict> the 'nice level' is the opposite of a priority

18:49 <PovAddict> ohh :)

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18:49 <PovAddict> get more ram then XD

18:49 <PovAddict> or lower RAM allocated to the VM

18:50 <MTughan> I gave Vista 1GB of RAM, which is half of what I have.

18:50 <PovAddict> crazy

18:50 <MTughan> Well, not really a crawl, but it's slower.

18:50 <PovAddict> yesterday I was playing with a rubik cube solved

18:50 <PovAddict> solver*

18:50 <xcamel> must have overdone it a bit yesterday..

18:50 <PovAddict> in "huge mode" which uses 1GB of RAM and stores a 600MB table on disk

18:50 <xcamel> tired and sore today..

18:51 <PovAddict> works as advertised: 5x faster than the normal optimal solver

18:51 <MTughan> rofl! My Windows rating is 1.0!

18:51 <PovAddict> out of?

18:51 <PovAddict> 10?

18:51 <efc> Faster than the dudes that can do one in 8 seconds?

18:51 <MTughan> Well, my PC downstairs is about a 3.8.

18:51 <PovAddict> efc: those dudes don't use an optimal solution

18:51 <MTughan> I think the highest rating currently is 5.2.

18:51 <PovAddict> they get "close enough" and move their fingers fast

18:52 <efc> oh, optimal in the sense of least moves

18:52 <PovAddict> yeah

18:52 <MTughan> Processor, 4.7; Memory, 4.5; Graphics, 1.0; Gaming graphics, 1.0; HD rate, 5.9

18:52 <PovAddict> you never get more than 20 moves for any cube

18:52 <MTughan> Okay, so the highest is more than 5.2.

18:53 <MTughan> It's the shi*ty Intel graphics card that's bringing me down.

18:53 <PovAddict> MTughan: not really

18:53 <PovAddict> MTughan: VMware doesn't let the guest OS access your shitty-or-not gfx card

18:53 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:53 <MTughan> I have 3D acceleration on in VMware, but it doesn't support all features.

18:53 <MTughan> Because of the Intel integrated.

18:56 <PovAddict> efc: also, the optimal solver gets you an optimal solution in a few minutes; huge mode uses a lot more RAM and lets it generate the same, but faster

18:57 <PovAddict> basically, keeping more intermediate data in memory...

18:57 <wdsmia> Looks like Boincstats found a time warp

18:57 <PovAddict> "The huge optimal solver works the same way as the standard optimal solver does. The only difference is that it uses the UDSliceSorted coordinate instead of the UDSlice coordinate to build the pruning table. So this table is about 24 times bigger and the average pruning value is higher, as documented in the distribution of the pruning table. It runs about 5 times faster than the standard optimal solver."

18:58 <PovAddict> weird wdsmia

18:58 <wdsmia> Last daily update:

18:58 <wdsmia> 2005-09-07 16:24:52 GMT

18:58 <wdsmia> 831 days 07:30:25 ago

18:58 <MTughan> lol

18:58 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/index.php?list=full&or=0

18:59 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager (at boincstats.com)

18:59 <PovAddict> lots of 0s

18:59 <efc> you'll enjoy playing with the Galactic Positioning System then, when I finish it in 2017

19:04 <MTughan> Heh. Driver software might help for the graphics...

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19:11 <MTughan> Gah... Graphics number is still 1.0.

19:17 <Tank_Master> hehe

19:18 <BadBarbarian> woohoo my quad gets here friday

19:19 * MTughan is jealous

19:23 <xcamel> in the middle of the xmas rush

19:23 * xcamel wonders if the new amd 'phenom' will be worth looking into

19:24 <Tank_Master> bout time, BB

19:25 <Tank_Master> xcam, no not really

19:25 <Tank_Master> if you looking in the 4way server market, then yes ;)

19:27 <xcamel> Fidel Castro resigns (fox news)

19:29 <PovAddict> woot?

19:30 <Tank_Master> is he a woman now?

19:30 <xcamel> http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSN1743988820071218?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true

19:30 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JHN> (at www.reuters.com)

19:32 <xcamel> probably giving it to Raul

19:39 <BadBarbarian> & weather 86046

19:39 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 37.4F / 3.0C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 23.59in / 798.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7.6mph / 12.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 16 to 22. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs around 44. Light winds.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain and snow showers. No snow (1 more message)

19:39 <BadBarbarian> &more

19:39 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: accumulation. Snow level 6500 feet. Lows 22 to 28. Southwest winds around 15 mph.;

19:39 <Tank_Master> balmy

19:44 <xcamel> lol Doug - living in Iowa must be aggravating as all hell at the moment...

19:45 <MTughan> We just had a big storm come through. Got about 30+cm of snow. PovAddict's jealous. :P

19:45 <xcamel> BB - discovery channel had a great episode of 'fearless planet' featuring the grand canyon last night

19:48 *** Bad_At_Home_ is now known as cool

19:49 * Tank_Master slaps cool around a bit with a large trout

19:49 <cool> huh

19:49 <cool> what happened

19:49 <MTughan> You /nick'ed yourself.

19:50 <Tank_Master> you noobed yourself

19:50 *** cool has quit IRC

19:50 <PovAddict> lol

19:50 <MTughan> I like it... http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/wallpapers/scott_unleashed_1920.jpg

19:50 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JHd> (at www.ctrlaltdel-online.com)

19:50 <Tank_Master> that wont work, bb

19:51 <Tank_Master> nice art

19:51 *** cool has joined #boinc

19:51 <PovAddict> heh

19:51 <Tank_Master> wb cool

19:51 <PovAddict> XD

19:51 <MTughan> How 'bout this one? http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/wallpapers/everquesters1920.jpg

19:51 <Tank_Master> told ya it wouldnt work

19:51 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JHe> (at www.ctrlaltdel-online.com)

19:51 <cool> NOOOOOOOOO

19:51 <PovAddict> cool: /nick Bad_At_Home

19:51 <Tank_Master> say that one

19:51 <Tank_Master> not that big though...

19:52 <MTughan> Tank_Master: What are you talking about?

19:52 <cool> \nick Bad_At_Home

19:52 <PovAddict> the other slash

19:52 <PovAddict> geez

19:52 <MTughan> Forward slash, not backslash.

19:52 <Tank_Master> lol

19:52 *** cool is now known as Bad_At_Home

19:52 <PovAddict> he did it \o/

19:52 <Tank_Master> MT - that pic is from the latest commic

19:52 <MTughan> Yep.

19:52 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: yes it is

19:53 <Tank_Master> congrats BB!

19:53 <Bad_At_Home> didnt know i could do that lol

19:53 <Tank_Master> sad, bb, real sad

19:53 <Tank_Master> ;)

19:53 *** PovAddict is now known as you_

19:53 * you_ are a retard

19:53 <Bad_At_Home> Ok so i am an irc noob lol

19:53 *** you_ is now known as PovAddict

19:53 <Bad_At_Home> lol

19:53 <MTughan> "you" was already taken?

19:53 <PovAddict> server-rejected

19:54 <PovAddict> weird

19:54 <Tank_Master> yeah

19:54 <PovAddict> "maybe the nickname has invalid characters"

19:54 <Tank_Master> noobish server

19:54 <MTughan> lol

19:54 <Bad_At_Home> tank alter ego You

19:54 <Tank_Master> "you Erroneous Nickname"

19:54 <Tank_Master> thats what it returns as on mine

19:55 <MTughan> It's not registered as a nick.

19:56 <PovAddict> http://www.bash.org/?367808

19:56 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #367808 (at www.bash.org)

19:57 <MTughan> rofl

19:57 *** MTughan is now known as we

19:57 * we are quite interesting indeed

19:57 <xcamel> you are now legion?

19:57 *** Tank_Master is now known as your

19:57 <we> Hehe. "we" is registered as a nick...

19:57 * your mom is spaking santa again

19:57 *** we is now known as I

19:58 <your> so is your

19:58 * I thinks you're crazy

19:58 * your crazy

19:58 <I> Oh sh*t...

19:58 *** I is now known as MTughan

19:58 *** your is now known as Tank_Master

19:58 <MTughan> <NickServ> This nickname may not be used.  Please choose another.

19:58 <MTughan> <NickServ> If you do not change within one minute, you will be disconnected

19:59 <Tank_Master> lol

19:59 <PovAddict> I have seen servers do that with any registered nickname

19:59 <MTughan> Except when the person identifies, of course.

19:59 <Tank_Master> dumb @$$ server

19:59 <Tank_Master> theres no fun

19:59 <MTughan> "your" and "we" worked.

20:00 <Tank_Master> your was registered to

20:00 <MTughan> So? They weren't being used.

20:00 <Tank_Master> but it didnt warn about a disconnect

20:00 <MTughan> It's just "I".

20:00 <MTughan> PovAddict just said some servers do that. Freenode doesn't.

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20:04 *** PovAddic1 is now known as PovAddict

20:04 <Tank_Master> wb

20:27 <Tank_Master> oh, povaddict

20:27 <Tank_Master> you still there?

20:27 <Tank_Master> Happy Birthday, Pov :

20:27 <PovAddict> :)

20:29 <xcamel> 13 again?

20:29 <Tank_Master> 17

20:29 <MTughan> Yesterday.

20:29 <xcamel> scary stuff...

20:29 <Tank_Master> still monday here ;)

20:29 <MTughan> Same.

20:29 <xcamel> ditto

20:29 <PovAddict> so today

20:30 <PovAddict> 17 on the 17th

20:30 <Bad_At_Home> Same here

20:30 <Tank_Master> ya

20:30 <xcamel> bbiab - again

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20:36 <Tank_Master> wb

20:38 * xcamel wonders if the reboot helped..

20:39 * Tank_Master wonders for the sake of wondering

20:39 <xcamel> nope..

20:40 <xcamel> flashplayer is screwed in opera again.

20:40 <xcamel> damn I hate that.

20:41 <Tank_Master> then dont use opera

20:44 <Soul_keeper> i tellya

20:45 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [00:15:209] Changes .:. Godsmack .:. Faceless (Retail) .:. Track 3

20:45 <MTughan> Gah, that's a bright blue...

20:45 <Tank_Master> that it is

20:45 * PovAddict 's eyes burn

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20:49 <Soul_keeper> i coded it to display that color ...

20:49 <Soul_keeper> it's not so bright on my side

20:49 <Soul_keeper> looks more like a grey

20:50 <Soul_keeper> geez learning gtk is somewhat of a struggle

20:50 <Soul_keeper> it's coming, but slowly, and i got nobody to ask help from

20:51 <xcamel> no #gtk channel?

20:51 <Soul_keeper> yeah they are all idlers

20:52 <Soul_keeper> just another chan with many questions asked and hardly any responded to

20:52 <xcamel> try #wxgtk

20:52 <JohnMahowald> #gtk+

20:52 <Soul_keeper> this chan is bigger than #gtk

20:52 <JohnMahowald> They also are on gimpnet I think.

20:52 <JohnMahowald> http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?chat=gtk

20:52 <xcamel> likely..

20:52 <Romulus> Title: gtk - Chat Rooms on IRC - irc.netsplit.de (at irc.netsplit.de)

20:53 <Soul_keeper> i ditched vboxes for a table, now i'm kinda at a halt as things aren't displaying/rendering correctly

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21:01 <MTughan> 'lo mw

21:01 <mweltin> MTughan!

21:01 <mweltin> whats up?

21:01 <Tank_Master> mw!

21:02 <Tank_Master> guess what?

21:02 <MTughan> Playing a game of Sudoku...

21:02 <Tank_Master> no...

21:02 <mweltin> making toast

21:02 <Tank_Master> no...

21:02 <MTughan> That's what I'm doing. Playing Sudoku.

21:02 <mweltin> and the burn marks look like a sudoku

21:02 <MTughan> lol

21:03 <Tank_Master> Knights Who Say Ni! has challenged us in TSP

21:03 <Tank_Master> saying they can get #1 and we can keep it

21:03 <mweltin> jam is a poor substitute for a worm gear.

21:03 <mweltin> NICE!

21:03 <MTughan> What team, SETI.usa?

21:03 <Tank_Master> like thats gonna happen

21:03 <Tank_Master> yeah

21:03 <Tank_Master> Knights Who Say Ni! v SETI.USA

21:04 <mweltin> the new GA workunits are long and based on fpops

21:04 <mweltin> although none have been sent

21:04 <mweltin> there are about 7 waiting to go out.

21:04 <mweltin> sorry scratch that

21:04 <mweltin> there are about seven waiting to fail again.

21:04 <mweltin> WTF

21:04 <Tank_Master> lol

21:05 <mweltin> smae deal rsc_LIMIT_exceeded

21:05 <MTughan> PovAddict?

21:06 <mweltin> the have the old estimate.

21:06 <mweltin> thats strange.

21:06 <Tank_Master> my dinner is ready, ill bbl

21:06 <mweltin> later

21:06 <mweltin> crap

21:07 <mweltin> the WU template had it in there.  But I was using the C-api

21:07 <mweltin> not enven sure why I need the template.

21:07 <mweltin> now I have to cancel a bunch more.

21:09 <mweltin> ok the template file was over writing the values stored in the WU object in the C api based workgenerator.

21:12 <mweltin> ok I'm back

21:14 <mweltin> MTughan, did you checkin a new Makefile in your branch?

21:14 <mweltin> or was that PovAddict

21:14 <MTughan> I have a branch?

21:14 <mweltin> don't you ?

21:15 <MTughan> I don't know.

21:15 <mweltin> well I guess not.

21:15 <MTughan> I uploaded my Makefile to my webserver for safekeeping...

21:15 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/Makefile.tsp.txt

21:15 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JFD> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

21:15 <mweltin> do you want a branch?

21:15 <MTughan> I don't know how to use it anyway, and I don't contribute too many changes.

21:16 <mweltin> ok, well the option is always there for you is you want.

21:16 <MTughan> Okay, thanks.

21:16 <mweltin> you can use branches/mweltion for a working copy if you want.

21:16 <MTughan> Working copy of what?

21:16 <mweltin> I'm trying to keep trunk as a "stable build"

21:16 <mweltin> if you commit changes

21:17 <mweltin> do it to that branch first.

21:17 <mweltin> Unless you know it won't break a build.

21:17 <mweltin> simple edits you can commit to the trunk

21:17 <MTughan> Once again, how do I use a branch?

21:18 <mweltin> you know how you check out the trunk and it becomes your working copy.

21:19 <mweltin> when you say svn update or commit it updates to or from the trunk?

21:19 <MTughan> Yeah...

21:19 <mweltin> well if you checkout a branch, then that becomes your working copy, and any and all svn commands are relative to the branch instead.

21:19 <MTughan> They're just different directories?

21:19 <mweltin> It only requires you checkout the branch.

21:19 <mweltin> yes exactly

21:20 <MTughan> Ah, that was the part I was confused about.

21:20 <mweltin> well apparently not too confused as you figured it out on your frist try.

21:20 <MTughan> Just confused about that part.

21:20 <MTughan> Is the GA copy in trunk stable and ready for use?

21:21 <mweltin> yes

21:21 <mweltin> let me check first

21:21 * xcamel is about ready to put a 5 minute limit on "code overload' discussions

21:21 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/tsp_ga.tar.bz2 If it is stable.

21:21 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1JIz> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

21:21 <MTughan> Hot off the compiler.

21:21 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmm

21:21 <mweltin> they differ by a little bit.

21:22 <mweltin> crap

21:22 <mweltin> ok I know what I can do

21:22 <MTughan> I have the latest from trunk.

21:22 <mweltin> hold on

21:22 <mweltin> I'm going to md5 the one in the tsp project dir adn the branch and trunk and see which ones matches.

21:23 <mweltin> does an md5 has get effected by the name of the file?

21:23 <xcamel> ahem...

21:23 <MTughan> *affected

21:23 <mweltin> identical files with different names?

21:23 <MTughan> I have no idea, PovAddict could tell.

21:23 <MTughan> Why not just rename one file?

21:23 <mweltin> ok

21:23 <MTughan> xcamel: You have a problem with something?

21:24 <JohnMahowald> mweltin: Sounds like an experiment!

21:24 <JohnMahowald> Time for science!

21:24 <xcamel> not really...

21:24 <mweltin> I'm un-affected by you xcamel

21:24 <mweltin> and yes its science

21:25 <MTughan> No, MD5s are not affected by file names.

21:25 <xcamel> most of your rapid fire project discussions could be taken off-channel

21:25 <MTughan> #tsp

21:25 <mweltin> you are right MTughan

21:25 <mweltin> what?!?!

21:26 <mweltin> that is all I discuss

21:26 <mweltin> who is going to visit #tsp

21:26 <mweltin> I mean really?!

21:26 <MTughan> You want to tangle with an op?

21:26 <mweltin> no

21:26 <MTughan> And you can put the where the room is on your site. Riesel Sieve does.

21:26 <xcamel> ...didn't think so..

21:27 <MTughan> http://www.rieselsieve.com/

21:27 <Romulus> Title: The Riesel Sieve Project (at www.rieselsieve.com)

21:27 <MTughan> Left side, under the menu.

21:27 <xcamel> ti's great that you talk about tsp here - but you should have your own channel for tsp programming and report back here on how it's going

21:28 <mweltin> so let me update that first.

21:28 <mweltin> ok xcamel will do

21:28 <xcamel> #boinc is for more generalized discussions of all projects, and the boinc core

21:28 <MTughan> Which PovAddict is heavily involved... He's wanting to redo the GUI RPC format as well.

21:29 <xcamel> I'm not "sending you away" - it's just the talk gets kind of deep for the regulars and they go into hiding...

21:29 <MTughan> lol

21:30 <mweltin> I hear you xcamel, I'll try to keep it general, and if I'm suggesed to move to #tsp I will do so without fuss.

21:30 <xcamel> I understand that... and PoV brings the results of his efforts back so we can try it/talk about it...

21:31 <mweltin> suggested*

21:31 * xcamel points out #boinc is for all levels of users...

21:34 <Tank_Master> ib

21:35 <mweltin> Tank_Master!

21:35 * Tank_Master notes that #BOINC is for everyone from tools, to users, to lusers, to l33t5, and to noobs of all kinds

21:35 <MTughan> Well that explains why the light in my pocketknife's not working... One of the batteries is down from 3V to 0.06V.

21:36 <xcamel> which means specal care needs to be taken not to 'tilt the mix" too much and drive people away...

21:36 <Tank_Master> lol pov

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21:51 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

21:52 *** xcamel changes topic to "BOINC | stats & logs: http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/ Versions: all dev: 5.10.30 windows, Windows x64 | 5.10.30 osx/darwin, | 5.10.28 *nix/32/64 | Romulus (&) is the channel bot"

21:52 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel

21:55 <xcamel> well.. off for now...

21:55 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

21:55 *** xcamel is now known as xcamel_away

22:07 <mweltin> later

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22:12 <Tank_Master> doh

22:12 <MTughan> Simpsons!

22:12 <Tank_Master> fugly show

22:13 *** MTughan is now known as MTughan_

22:13 *** MTughan_ is now known as MTughan

22:13 <Tank_Master> howdy

22:13 <MTughan> I linked the two nicks.

22:14 <Tank_Master> how?

22:14 <PovAddict> chanserv link?

22:14 <MTughan> /msg NickServ HELP LINK

22:14 <MTughan> NickServ link.

22:14 <PovAddict> NICKserv

22:14 <PovAddict> NICKserv

22:14 <PovAddict> NICKserv

22:14 <MTughan> lol

22:14 <PovAddict> written to brain

22:15 *** MTughan is now known as MTughan_

22:15 *** MTughan_ is now known as MTughan

22:15 <MTughan> Just testing...

22:15 <PovAddict> I remember when a friend typed "Dim i as Integer" on a C program, then got in panic "OMG TOO MUCH BASIC AT SCHOOL! int i; int i; int i; int i; int i; int i;"

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