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00:00 <MTughan> 'lo e
00:00 <efc> moo
00:00 <Romulus> Title: ThinkGeek :: USB Tape Dispenser Hub (at www.thinkgeek.com)
00:02 <efc> interesting
00:02 <MTughan> &xkcd
00:02 <MTughan> &cad
00:02 <efc> i thought it would reel out USB cord or something.
00:03 <Soul_keeper> damnit
00:03 <Soul_keeper> i'm so pissed
00:03 <Soul_keeper> crap makes me suicidal
00:04 <MTughan> Oh, great... XP won't find the HD that VMware set up for Vista.
00:05 <MTughan> And it seems that they're the same interface...
00:08 <PovAddict> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/6b3b/images/1263/ swiss army knife!
00:08 <MTughan> I have one...
00:09 <PovAddict> with usb memory?
00:09 <MTughan> Hmm, not with a USB drive though...
00:09 <PovAddict> then yours ain't cool! :
00:09 <PovAddict> :P
00:09 <MTughan> It's got more tools though.
00:09 <MTughan> How 'bout a bottle opener?
00:09 <PovAddict> it also has a pen and a led light :)
00:09 <Romulus> Title: ThinkGeek :: Swiss Memory USB (at www.thinkgeek.com)
00:09 <PovAddict> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/96b3/ I wonder if this really cools stuff...
00:10 <Soul_keeper> life would probably be more fun if i was crippled
00:10 <MTughan> lol
00:10 <PovAddict> need help?
00:11 <Soul_keeper> i think i'm just incapable of learning anything
00:11 <PovAddict> I meant help on the 'cripple' part, but ok
00:11 <PovAddict> :P
00:11 <Soul_keeper> all i can do is eat, masturbate, and watch tv
00:12 * PovAddict would feel sorry for anyone who can't do those three
00:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: yeah I saw it... want one
00:12 <MTughan> lol, put it in Soul_keeper's house. >:D
00:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: read the "letter from the satisfied customer"
00:13 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, you mess with boinc code on a regular basis ?
00:13 <MTughan> Hehe...
00:14 <MTughan> PovAddict: Should I install all updates before "upgrading" XP to Vista? It's a new install.
00:14 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: hmm sort of, why
00:15 <Tank_Master> all I can to is eat, sleep, masterbate, and watch BOINC
00:15 <PovAddict> lately I have been working on re-inventing the GUI RPC protocol to be closer to something remotely decent
00:15 <MTughan> lol TM
00:16 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, well if i asked which section of code was responsible for a particular window/feature would you be able to tell me what file contains said code ?
00:16 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: you mean the manager?
00:16 <Soul_keeper> yeah
00:16 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: FYI, it's written with wxWidgets, not GTK
00:16 <Tank_Master> manager and chatroom
00:16 <Soul_keeper> ic
00:17 <MTughan> And I don't like that about wxWidgets. It's not affected by hacks I've done.
00:17 <PovAddict> MTughan: you know obj-c, write your own
00:17 <PovAddict> bwahahahahaha
00:17 <PovAddict> bwahahaha
00:17 <PovAddict> bwah-- err
00:17 <MTughan> ...
00:17 <MTughan> And I don't really know Obj-C.
00:18 <PovAddict> well can you make a native-looking GUI for OS X?
00:18 <MTughan> I know a bit, but not a huge amount. I'm hoping to get a book on it for Christmas.
00:18 <MTughan> Sure, I just can't really write the backend for it.
00:19 <MTughan> And you could probably do that too. There's a graphical app to graphically build your graphical interface. Graphical enough? :P
00:19 <PovAddict> btw, answering to Tank_Master and Soul_keeper
00:19 <PovAddict> if a man says he doesn't masturbate, he lies
00:19 <Romulus> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del (at cad-comic.com)
00:19 <Soul_keeper> heh
00:20 <MTughan> What about a woman?
00:20 <Soul_keeper> i thought picking up gtk would be simple, it turns out i can't master it in 2 days
00:21 <PovAddict> MTughan: it's said that every time a man masturbates, god kills a kitten
00:21 <MTughan> ?
00:21 <Soul_keeper> and since i got work all week, i probably won't be able to have time to read reference manuals/tutorials ever
00:21 <PovAddict> but every time a woman masturbates, an angel gets its wings
00:21 <PovAddict> I wonder how much alcohol was on the blood of whoever said that
00:22 <Tank_Master> lol
00:22 <Soul_keeper> what happens when a tranny does it tho ?
00:23 <Soul_keeper> hermaphrodites ...
00:23 <PovAddict> .....
00:23 <zombie67> disapears in a puff of logic
00:23 <PovAddict> I think that question is better left unanswered
00:23 <PovAddict> anyway
00:23 <MTughan> I wholeheartedly agree...
00:23 <PovAddict> going to sleep
00:23 <Soul_keeper> can you kill a kitten and give angel's wings at the same time, would those two cancel out ?
00:23 <PovAddict> 2 am already
00:23 <MTughan> Bye.
00:23 <PovAddict> MTughan: you have been following CAD haven't you?
00:23 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: We don't want to know...
00:23 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yeah, why?
00:24 <Tank_Master> gn pov
00:24 <PovAddict> MTughan: I'll end up like Ethan, except not because of a mmorpg
00:24 <MTughan> Because of the BOINC infrastructure?
00:24 <Tank_Master> because of BOINC
00:24 <PovAddict> because of computers, period
00:24 <Tank_Master> I suppose this is where zombie would call a jinx
00:25 <zombie67> si
00:25 <zombie67> The argument goes like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.' `But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
00:25 <zombie67> `Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic. `Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing. -- Hitchhiker's Guide of the Galaxy
00:27 <zombie67> LHC is still pumping out work
00:27 <Tank_Master> I set my WCG share to 1000
00:27 <PovAddict> I have been going to sleep at 2 am for weeks (months?)... when it gets late I don't really do anything productive (read websites "recursively", chat, etc) but yet I don't go to sleep
00:27 <PovAddict> "depth-first browsing"
00:27 <zombie67> I use 999 instead.
00:28 <Tank_Master> y 999?
00:28 <zombie67> BOINCstats shows only 3 digits
00:28 <zombie67> 1000 look slike 100
00:28 <PovAddict> if I click on a link I see on the first comment of a blog post, and follow from there, I probably won't finish reading all the comments
00:28 <zombie67> 999 is easier to tell apart
00:29 <Tank_Master> uhh, ok
00:29 <Tank_Master> id think 4 digits compaired to 3 would be easy ;)
00:29 <zombie67> you can see only 3
00:29 <zombie67> in the resource page
00:29 <Tank_Master> no
00:29 <Tank_Master> 1000 is hte max
00:30 <Tank_Master> for BAM!?
00:30 <zombie67> I know 1000 is the max, but you can see only 3 digits
00:30 <Tank_Master> I can see all 4
00:30 <zombie67> in BAM resources
00:30 <zombie67> I cannot
00:31 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager (at boincstats.com)
00:31 <Tank_Master> probably cus your using ff?
00:31 <zombie67> this is the page i am talking about
00:31 <Tank_Master> I can see all for with IE7
00:31 <Tank_Master> yeah
00:31 <zombie67> I am using safari
00:31 <Tank_Master> same one ehre
00:31 <Tank_Master> try ff or ie
00:31 <zombie67> the point: I can see only 3 digits, so I use 999 instead of 1000
00:32 <Tank_Master> My Oint: use a real browser
00:32 <Tank_Master> ;)
00:32 <zombie67> I use one without security problems
00:32 <zombie67> ;)
00:33 <Tank_Master> so no ff then
00:33 <zombie67> no
00:33 <Tank_Master> good man
00:33 <zombie67> safari
00:35 <zombie67> FF shows only 1/2 of the third "0"
00:39 <Tank_Master> ie shows all 4 with some room to spare
00:40 <zombie67> I wonder if it has something to do with the default font
00:40 <Tank_Master> possable
00:42 <Tank_Master> zombie
00:42 <Tank_Master> can you stop by the new mb I gave you?
00:42 <Tank_Master> for my team
00:42 <Tank_Master> the phpBB3
00:44 <Tank_Master> do you see the chat window at the bottome?
01:06 <zombie67> back
01:07 <Romulus> Title: Team SETI.USA Index page (at www.setiusa.net)
01:08 <zombie67> moving to another machine. brb
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01:17 <zombie67> hi mweltin
01:17 <mweltin> hey
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01:25 <mweltin> what is rsc_disk_bound ?
01:42 <Tank_Master> mw!
01:48 <mweltin> TANK!
01:49 <Tank_Master> sup?
01:49 <mweltin> I installed the ga and trying to get the work generator done.
01:49 <mweltin> Had a close call with the dog too.
01:49 <Tank_Master> gl ;)
01:49 <mweltin> he ate some trash and has a bowel obstruction.
01:49 <mweltin> he is doing better but not out of the woods yet.
01:49 <mweltin> The only vet on island is in Apia until the 22nd.
01:50 <mweltin> I have to just hope he pulls through on his own.
01:50 <Tank_Master> lol
01:50 <Tank_Master> that sucks
01:50 <mweltin> yeah
01:52 <mweltin> how are things for you doing?
01:53 <Tank_Master> not to bad
01:54 <Tank_Master> my team admin is updating the form
01:54 <Tank_Master> to phpbb3
01:54 <Tank_Master> and our WCG race started today
01:54 <mweltin> cool
01:55 <mweltin> what is WCG ?
01:55 <Tank_Master> Worl Community Grid
01:55 <Tank_Master> its base is actually older than BOINC
01:56 <Tank_Master> but they recently switched to BOIN and are fasing out support for their own client
01:56 <mweltin> so its not a boinc thing at all
01:56 <mweltin> ahhh
01:56 <Tank_Master> they poerted to BOINC a few years ago, but only officially for linix and MAC
01:56 <mweltin> polished site.
01:56 <Tank_Master> though windows would work...
01:57 <Tank_Master> they had their windows only client they built before BOINC was around
01:57 <mweltin> Discovering Dengue Drugs ? Together
01:57 <Tank_Master> but like I said, they recent started to fase that old thing out
01:57 <Tank_Master> yeah, and meny otheres
01:57 <mweltin> We have lots of Dengue here.
01:58 <Tank_Master> its funded by IBM, with oxferd doing most of the science
01:58 <mweltin> My friend Jeff and his GF were the first cases this year.
01:58 <mweltin> had to go off island for treatment.
01:58 <Tank_Master> its the top most stable project in all of the BOINC projects
01:58 <Tank_Master> and best funded
01:59 <mweltin> powered by IBM logo
01:59 <Tank_Master> what is Dengue?
01:59 <mweltin> there are 4 kinds and basicly you feel like you want to die.
01:59 <Tank_Master> ahh
01:59 <mweltin> you bones hurt, you muscle hurt, your eyes hurt.
01:59 <Tank_Master> ouch
01:59 <mweltin> it sucks.
01:59 <Tank_Master> not fun
02:00 <mweltin> type one you will live if you are not already weak fromsomething else.
02:00 <Tank_Master> how can one;s bones hurt?
02:00 <mweltin> but the other your prognosis is not good.
02:00 <Tank_Master> theres no nerves there
02:00 <mweltin> I dont' know but that is a symptom.
02:01 <mweltin> and a high fever
02:01 <Tank_Master> huh
02:01 <mweltin> did you her the news? I may get an off island server for christmas.
02:01 <Tank_Master> sweet
02:01 <Tank_Master> from povaddict?
02:02 <mweltin> no a friend of mine Dr.McLoven is his TSP user name.
02:02 <Tank_Master> ahh
02:02 <Tank_Master> still, nice offer
02:02 <mweltin> yeah its some virtual machine with a T1.
02:03 <mweltin> sits in the Piddoch buiding downtown.
02:03 <mweltin> where all the big wigs have servers.
02:05 <Tank_Master> ugg, T1
02:05 <Tank_Master> nice
02:05 <Tank_Master> T1 is slower than most people think
02:06 <Tank_Master> but its proabbably faster thwn what you have now
02:06 <mweltin> faster than 128kb
02:06 <Tank_Master> yeah ;)
02:06 <Tank_Master> 1.5mb
02:13 <Tank_Master> man
02:13 <mweltin> what?
02:13 <Tank_Master> you can tell with MAC2312 joined the WCG team...
02:14 <Tank_Master> when*
02:15 <mweltin> dude SWEET, I just got anohter invite to dive with the Governor
02:15 <Tank_Master> nice
02:15 <Tank_Master> man, you live in a sweet place ;)
02:15 <mweltin> life could be better.
02:15 <mweltin> comes at a good time too.
02:16 <mweltin> the commerce dept is dragging its heals on my business license.
02:16 <mweltin> a little face time with the gov might fix that.
02:16 <Tank_Master> lol
02:16 <Tank_Master> hehe
02:16 <mweltin> sooner or later it has to end up on his desk.
02:17 <Tank_Master> true
02:17 <Tank_Master> "oh, hehe, whs that the piece of paper I used to clean up the spilled coffie?"
02:18 <mweltin> haha
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02:20 <mweltin> dude this is getting better, I just a letter form a guy that wants to help with a ACO algorithm.
02:20 <mweltin> Ant Colony Optimization
02:20 <mweltin> it was either that or simulated annealing was next.
02:21 <Tank_Master> lol
02:21 <Tank_Master> y not both?
02:22 <mweltin> there app on their web site is slow as death.
02:22 <Tank_Master> pritty soon your going to have more subprojects than you can shake a stick at
02:22 <mweltin> uk.geocties.com/marksinclair/aco.html
02:22 <mweltin> thats that plan.
02:22 <mweltin> got my first negative post today too.
02:22 <Tank_Master> Sorry, the page you requested was not found.
02:23 <mweltin> mmmmm
02:23 <Tank_Master> oh?
02:23 <mweltin> uk.geocities.com/markcsinclair/aco.html
02:23 <mweltin> see if romi comes back with something
02:23 <Romulus> Title: Ant Colony Optimisation (at uk.geocities.com)
02:23 <Tank_Master> there we go
02:23 <mweltin> thats is
02:23 <mweltin> it*
02:26 <mweltin> ok two GA workunits just went out the door.
02:26 <Tank_Master> sweet
02:27 <mweltin> geee this is a 9 city tsp with ACO and its still running.
02:27 <mweltin> not sure I want this guy owrking on it.
02:28 <Tank_Master> hey, if you can build me a 64bit win app that dosent have checkpointing or progress report, ill run it 50/50 with ABC on all my 64bit comps after my WCG race ;)
02:28 <mweltin> will do
02:28 <Tank_Master> sweet
02:28 <Tank_Master> Ill be in the race till jan 5th
02:28 <Tank_Master> so PLENTY of time
02:29 <mweltin> cool, I have a few things to fix before then.
02:29 <mweltin> oh yeah so back to this negative comment.
02:29 <zombie67> back
02:29 <mweltin> it was in the posts talking about the right way to generate paths
02:30 <Tank_Master> ahh
02:30 <Tank_Master> by doing it his way, right?
02:30 <mweltin> he offers no real insight, critisized the current algorithm, and then says this is not a good boinc project.
02:30 <Tank_Master> lol
02:30 <mweltin> he didn't have a way
02:31 <Tank_Master> theres people who will attack any project that disent fit their ideoligy
02:31 <mweltin> he obviously didn't read the earlier posts.
02:31 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Fairytale of New York (at www.youtube.com)
02:31 <Tank_Master> "your project sucks cus some platform I cant run gets more credit tham my platform"
02:32 <mweltin> hahaah I have gotten that one before too.
02:32 <Tank_Master> yeah, form me, cept I understand y
02:33 <Tank_Master> may not like it, but I do understand it
02:33 <zombie67> coming from a mac user....
02:33 <Tank_Master> z!
02:33 <mweltin> well crunch3r should have a windows ga app soon.
02:33 <zombie67> most projects apps work better on other platforms
02:34 <Tank_Master> lol
02:34 <Tank_Master> true
02:34 <mweltin> takes about 400 min on my box.
02:34 <Tank_Master> cept cruncher's MAC app for APS
02:34 <zombie67> which is not reachable
02:34 <Tank_Master> how often are you checkpointing, mw?
02:34 <zombie67> WCG is a great project
02:34 <Tank_Master> for the MAC?
02:35 <zombie67> they are basically a DC source for research prohjectas
02:35 <zombie67> projects
02:35 <mweltin> only when the client wants to.
02:35 <mweltin> I think I check too often again.
02:35 <zombie67> The Lattice Project is similar
02:35 <mweltin> I forgot about that.
02:36 <Tank_Master> you mentioned "proably every few milisec"
02:36 <Tank_Master> which is way to high
02:36 <zombie67> TM: for macs, the project apps are slower than win or linux.
02:36 <Tank_Master> spending to much i/o on saving
02:37 <Tank_Master> I need to get back into lattice
02:37 <Tank_Master> just to meny projects now
02:37 <mweltin> it only checkpoints based on a boinc api funcion.
02:37 <Tank_Master> not enough comp power
02:37 <mweltin> boinc_time_to_checkpoint
02:37 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok, MW, so every 60 sec by default
02:37 <mweltin> which is set in the client.
02:38 <mweltin> Gotta say, it has to one of the worst credit projects around, but that is only based on 1 wu to date. I hope it gets better soon!
02:38 <mweltin> new post
02:38 <mweltin> what is that site that shows how your project compares with others as far as credits.
02:38 <zombie67> here's the thing: 1) I understand why PPC apps are slower. no motivation to optimize. 2) intel apps shoudl be FASTER than win or linux. No need to exclude optimizations due to legacy processors.
02:39 <mweltin> intel is a arch and win and linux are OS's
02:39 <mweltin> I'm not sure what you mean?
02:40 <zombie67> I mean an app for OSX/intel shoudl be faster than Win/Intel
02:40 <Tank_Master> he's refering to intel compatible OSs to the PPC
02:40 <Tank_Master> or not ;)
02:41 <Tank_Master> y should the odx/intel be faster than win/intel?
02:41 <zombie67> win/intel apps cannot take advantage of SSE/1/2/3/4
02:41 <mweltin> see I would figure that was a compiler issue.
02:41 <zombie67> they must allow for older processors
02:41 <zombie67> legacy
02:41 <zombie67> for OSX/Intel, the oldest processor is Core
02:42 <Tank_Master> ahh, true
02:42 <Tank_Master> unless its 64bit
02:42 <zombie67> by default, all apps should take advantage of SSE/1/2/3
02:42 <zombie67> 64 bit is different
02:42 <zombie67> core is not 64 bit
02:42 <zombie67> tiger is not fully 64 bit
02:43 <Tank_Master> true
02:43 <zombie67> so legacy must be be honored with regard to 64 bit
02:43 <Tank_Master> amd athonx64 was only SSE, correct?
02:43 <zombie67> not sure
02:43 <zombie67> X2 is SSE2
02:43 <Tank_Master> seemed like the first gen was
02:44 <zombie67> back to my point: OSX/intel apps should be faster!
02:44 <Tank_Master> yeah, but Im not talkin about those ;)
02:44 <zombie67> but I think that people are in the habit of NOT using SSE/1/2/3
02:44 <Tank_Master> simap uses SSE1
02:44 <Tank_Master> but I think your right
02:44 <Tank_Master> mmx at best
02:44 <zombie67> they just port over the same non-sse* from the win or lin apps
02:45 <zombie67> and that is a HUGE waste
02:46 <Tank_Master> teh core2 dose help some with running older SSE apps much faster
02:46 <mweltin> OMG
02:46 <Tank_Master> WHAT?
02:46 <zombie67> ?
02:46 <mweltin> the guy that was bitching about the credits
02:46 <zombie67> si?
02:46 <Tank_Master> hasnt ran one WU
02:46 <mweltin> he claimed 53
02:46 <zombie67> ?!
02:46 <mweltin> he got one back
02:46 <Tank_Master> LOL
02:46 <zombie67> against a 6.5 WU?
02:47 <Tank_Master> he's inflating his benchmarks
02:47 <mweltin> smae workunit but someone else 14.98 claimed.
02:47 <Tank_Master> really easy to do
02:47 <mweltin> both on Win XP.
02:47 <Tank_Master> yep
02:47 <Tank_Master> sounds like a cheeter ;)
02:47 <mweltin> and he is on Pov's team.
02:47 <Tank_Master> huh
02:48 <mweltin> final front ear
02:48 <Tank_Master> hey, mw
02:48 <zombie67> ah, 6.5 was another project. sorry
02:49 <Tank_Master> would you like a P4 3.4 with win x64 to test with?
02:49 <zombie67> benchmarks are not cracy big
02:49 <Tank_Master> I could potentually give you remote access to one of my comps at work
02:49 <mweltin> ahhh
02:49 <Tank_Master> some one I have bryan from RS access to
02:49 <mweltin> sounds good.
02:50 <Tank_Master> might help test faster ;)
02:50 <Tank_Master> get a logmein account (www.logmein.com)
02:50 <mweltin> yeah
02:50 <zombie67> oddd
02:50 <Tank_Master> ?
02:50 <zombie67> the reason for the large claim, is the long run time
02:50 <Tank_Master> www.logmein.com
02:50 <Tank_Master> rommie?
02:50 <Tank_Master> you sleeping again?
02:51 <mweltin> you need the http
02:51 <Tank_Master> didnt in the past...
02:51 <Tank_Master> that must have changed
02:51 <zombie67> gas giant is not a cheater, that I recall
02:51 <mweltin> is this graphical ?
02:51 <Tank_Master> well, thats good
02:51 <zombie67> the overclaim is very odd
02:51 <Tank_Master> yes
02:51 <mweltin> vnc and stuff like that doesn't work from here.
02:52 <Tank_Master> its an activeX in IE
02:52 <zombie67> too much lag
02:52 <mweltin> If I could ssh in that would work.
02:52 <Tank_Master> 256b encripted
02:52 <Tank_Master> dunno how to set up ssh
02:52 <mweltin> I was using some webbased on for the hospital I was working for and I had to give up on it.
02:52 <Tank_Master> and I dont have access tot he router
02:52 <mweltin> no worries.
02:53 <Tank_Master> worth a try
02:53 <mweltin> I have a friend in salem that may help out.
02:53 <Tank_Master> and if your not updating the screen much, it should be to bad
02:53 <zombie67> mweltin, you are saying gas giant is the cheater?
02:53 <mweltin> no
02:53 <mweltin> it was what I thought at first.
02:53 <mweltin> when I looked at the 53 clained credits.
02:54 <zombie67> are you saying GG is the complainer?
02:54 <zombie67> I can't tell if we are talking about two different peoplr
02:54 <mweltin> no same guy.
02:55 <Tank_Master> The Gas Giant
02:55 <Tank_Master> he's the one who said this project grants to low
02:55 <Tank_Master> but I think WCG is one of the lower/est proejects
02:55 <zombie67> odd. He is a big malaria control guy
02:55 <zombie67> their credits are pretty low
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02:57 <zombie67> I have seen a problem on MW or POEM, where a stock client 5.10.30 is WAY over benchmarked.
02:57 <zombie67> GG has 10.20 too
02:57 <Tank_Master> it is?
02:57 <zombie67> 10.30
02:57 <mweltin> what was the site that compared all the projects to eachother?
02:57 <Tank_Master> I have 5.10.30 all most of my clients now
02:57 <Tank_Master> on*
02:59 <zombie67> I notice GG's machine you gave the URl to is a P4 with a benchmark of a much faster machine
03:00 <zombie67> this is a 3ghz 8-way mac: http://bob.myisland.as/tsp/show_host_detail.php?hostid=1211
03:01 <zombie67> something is not adding up. not sure if it is the client, cheating, or what.
03:01 <mweltin> we must be talking about differnet folks then. He has a 3GHZ win xp box.
03:01 <mweltin> and the the guy with the other result had a slower box.
03:02 <zombie67> he has a 3ghz P4
03:02 <zombie67> that is WAY slower than a 3ghz XEON X5365
03:02 <zombie67> and the P4 is 1core, 2 threads.
03:02 <zombie67> the mac is 8 real cores
03:03 <Tank_Master> xeons rock
03:03 <mweltin> he is three times higher then what was granted on average when I did my test
03:04 <zombie67> his benchmarks are too high. but I don't think high enough to explain the claim.
03:04 <Tank_Master> maybe his CPU has only 1MB cache?
03:04 <Tank_Master> so it was swapin in n out of main mem?
03:05 <zombie67> it is an older P4, I think
03:05 <zombie67> any dog owner will like this
03:06 <Tank_Master> then no HT
03:06 <zombie67> excuse the lines
03:06 <zombie67> Tycho Brahe: There's something wrong with my cat's.... You know... His, um... his butthole.
03:06 <zombie67> Vet: Is there an odor?
03:06 <zombie67> Tycho Brahe: Yeah, it's... powerful. I would describe it as "unrelenting." I'm haunted by it.
03:06 <zombie67> Vet: It probably just needs its anal glands expressed.
03:06 <zombie67> Tycho Brahe: Wow. That's exactly what I didn't want to know. So, thanks. Now, I'll know that forever. Can't wait to keep on thinking about that. That's...sweet.
03:06 <zombie67> Vet: It's a very simple procedure. I could show you how to do it at home.
03:06 <zombie67> Tycho Brahe: Seriously? God, yeah. That would be great.
03:06 <zombie67> -- Penny Arcade
03:06 <mweltin> LOL
03:06 <Tank_Master> figures
03:08 <Tank_Master> dose the WCG charts only update once a day?
03:08 <mweltin> I'm higher than I should be on credits.
03:09 <Tank_Master> wow
03:09 <mweltin> mmmm that didn't come out right.
03:09 <Tank_Master> your best path now shows portland as closer to seattle than it did before
03:10 <mweltin> I mean TSP according to the netsoft site shows me granting more credits than most other projects.
03:10 <zombie67> charts are updated 2x daily, I think
03:10 <Tank_Master> your high all right ;)
03:10 <mweltin> infact more than all
03:10 <mweltin> lol
03:11 <mweltin> not on this island
03:11 <Tank_Master> that chart dosent take in account for different platforms, dose it?
03:11 <Tank_Master> cus if its compairing only the linux platform....
03:11 <mweltin> then I'd be way off the mark
03:12 <Romulus> Title: Penny Arcade! - Darkest Revelations (at www.penny-arcade.com)
03:12 <mweltin> it might be
03:12 <mweltin> number of hosts is very low.
03:13 <mweltin> number of total hosts that is.
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03:15 <Tank_Master> im off to bed
03:15 <Tank_Master> gn all yall
03:15 <zombie67> gn
03:16 <mweltin> later
03:35 <Soul_keeper> muahahaha
03:35 <Soul_keeper> there is nothing stopping me now !!!
03:35 <mweltin> take ver the world?
03:42 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - mazzy star - halah (at www.youtube.com)
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03:45 <mweltin> will this take long to download?
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03:45 <mweltin> I gave up on youtube a while ago.
04:06 <mweltin> I'm going to bed early too.
04:06 <mweltin> lets hope those ga results get sent out soon.
04:06 <mweltin> I'm not sure how the feeder works.
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04:18 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
04:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 19.6°F / -6.9°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy until late afternoon...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows in the lower 20s. South winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday - (1 more message)
04:18 <CoderForLife> &more
04:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;
04:41 <CoderForLife> plink 184.108.40.206 - trying to fetch various URLs from my web server
05:25 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046
05:25 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 34.3°F / 1.3°C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 23.59in / 798.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 10 to 18. Light winds.; Monday - Partly cloudy. Highs around 44. Light winds.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 16 to 22. Light winds.;
05:36 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%
05:36 <CoderForLife> later
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06:04 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
06:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 8°F / -13°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the lower 30s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Not as cold. Low in the lower 20s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 30s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;
06:46 <hawmps> 'lo
06:47 <wdsmia> morning
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06:51 <hawmps> burrrrrrr
06:51 <hawmps> 13F/-4wc
06:51 <wdsmia> thats 5F warmer than here
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06:53 * wdsmia hopes Hillary is freezing her **** off this morning lol
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07:06 <wdsmia> well time to get ready for w@#%
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10:39 <PriitM> 15 hour WU SETI@home :<
11:18 <BadBarbarian> bigstones lol
11:28 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046
11:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 37.6°F / 3.1°C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 23.59in / 798.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 10.1mph / 16.3km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 43. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 15 to 21. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy in the (1 more message)
11:28 <BadBarbarian> &more
11:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs around 43. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the late morning and afternoon.;
11:49 <PovAddict> BOINC 5.10.30 for win and mac now marked recommended
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13:19 <TM-Work> yo yoyo!
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13:26 <TM-Work> &weather 97007
13:26 <Romulus> TM-Work: Temperature: 44.6°F / 7.0°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Showers decreasing. Highs 40 to 45. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Chance of showers this evening...then rain after midnight. Lows 35 to 40. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Near The Gorge...east wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 25 (1 more message)
13:26 <TM-Work> &more
13:26 <Romulus> TM-Work: mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Rain. Highs around 45. South 15 to 25 mph in the morning...becoming southwest 10 to 20 mph by afternoon.; Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 6:00 AM PST on December 18, 2007;
13:26 <TM-Work> wtf is a "special weather statement"?
13:27 <PovAddict> o.o
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13:31 <TM-Work> Special weather statements are many times used for a hazard that no product exists for, such as widespread funnel clouds
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13:57 <Bikerbob> anyone here installed boinc client on linux?
13:57 <hawmps> could be for black ice too...
13:57 <hawmps> Bikerbob: most of us have..
13:57 <hawmps> what distro?
13:58 <Bikerbob> ummmm puppylinux is what I am trying to install it in.
13:58 <Bikerbob> Slackware 12 compatible.. but I cant find a slack pkg for boinc
13:59 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: most distros don't have BOINC packages; those that do usually have very outdated packages
13:59 <PovAddict> somebody who had installed boinc from gentoo portage had a 2-year-old version...
13:59 <PriitM> just download .sh from boinc site
13:59 <Bikerbob> ok
14:00 <PriitM> I'm being offered 5.4.11-5 from synaptic :/
14:00 <PovAddict> heh
14:00 <PovAddict> I heard BOINC 6.x will be out for testing soon
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14:01 <mweltin> what are the units of the rsc_memory_bound?
14:02 <PovAddict> mweltin: bytes
14:02 <Bikerbob> ok.. now the .sh will exc. itself ?
14:02 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: give it executable permissions and run it
14:02 <TM-Work> mw!
14:04 <Bikerbob> now I need to run the binstall.sh?
14:04 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: no, it already ran :)
14:04 <mweltin> hey guys
14:04 <PovAddict> execute run_manager, if you have a graphical interface
14:05 <mweltin> my ga workunits are failing but at least its quick.
14:05 <Bikerbob> so PovAddict if I just click boinc.. thats not going to give me a manager.
14:05 <Bikerbob> where can I get a manager for it?
14:05 <PovAddict> I told you, run_manager
14:05 <Bikerbob> that should be in the BOINC dir?
14:05 <PriitM> yeah
14:05 <PovAddict> yes, should be
14:06 <mweltin> 1e8 is my memory bound.
14:06 <PovAddict> &math convert 1e8 bytes to MiB
14:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: 95.3674316406
14:06 <mweltin> is that how much memory the program needs as far as ram goes?
14:06 <PovAddict> mweltin: yes, that's maximum 95MB RAM
14:06 <Bikerbob> not there.
14:06 <PovAddict> workunits won't be sent to computers without enough memory, and the client may kill your app if it ever goes above the limit
14:07 <Bikerbob> run_client?
14:07 <mweltin> crap
14:07 <PovAddict> mweltin: does it use more than 95MB?!
14:07 <mweltin> ok that means a much smaller population size.
14:07 <mweltin> I'm not sure how to check that.
14:07 <mweltin> will top tell me that.
14:07 <PovAddict> yes, should...
14:07 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: ah hmm... you probably got the "compatible" .sh...
14:08 <Romulus> Title: BoincCmd - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
14:08 <Bikerbob> boinc_5.10.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
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14:10 <Bikerbob> checked my processes I am running boinc.. lol
14:10 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: yeah, that's the core client
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14:11 <Bikerbob> ok.. do I need to dl the manager.. is there a seperate pkg anywhwere for that?
14:11 <mweltin> PovAddict, I get a mem percentage, but let me read the man page there are a bunch of columns I'm nto sure what they are.
14:11 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: the devs found it quite impossible to build the manager in a way that runs on all distros
14:13 <Bikerbob> well most ubuntu stuff should run on this.. especially if I go backport a bit
14:14 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: then get the 'ubuntu' package from boinc site :)
14:14 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
14:14 <mweltin> PovAddict, top shows I'm using 14MB (The non-swapped physical memory a task has used)
14:15 <PovAddict> mweltin: how much total virtual memory?
14:15 <PovAddict> waitaminute
14:15 <PovAddict> the error was about CPU time limit, not memory
14:15 <mweltin> 14876 Kb Virt
14:15 <PovAddict> "exceeded CPU time limit 1.836639"
14:16 <TM-Work> lol
14:17 <Bikerbob> up and running.. thanks PovAddict
14:17 <mweltin> I thought that was the rsc_fpop_bound?
14:17 <PovAddict> mweltin: yep
14:18 <PovAddict> mweltin: so why are you looking at the memory limit?
14:18 <mweltin> I must have been confused by the error message.
14:18 <mweltin> I did the calucation the same way.
14:18 <mweltin> benchmark * the app run time
14:19 <PovAddict> well, your limit seems to be 1 second :)
14:19 <mweltin> 2385480000
14:19 <PovAddict> let's see...
14:20 <PovAddict> &math calc 2385480000 / 2237012578.616352
14:20 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1.06636861268
14:20 <PovAddict> 1 second on my computer
14:20 <PovAddict> <p_fpops>2237012578.616352</p_fpops>
14:20 <mweltin> what is p_fpops ?
14:21 <PovAddict> floating point operations
14:21 <PovAddict> that's my fp benchmarks
14:21 <mweltin> ok my floating point benchmark was 965
14:21 <mweltin> and the app took 412 minutes
14:22 <PovAddict> 965? do you have a 1MHz computer?
14:22 <PovAddict> did the manager print 965?
14:22 <mweltin> yes
14:22 <PovAddict> then that's divided by 1000 (or 1000000, I dont remember)
14:23 <mweltin> MIPS aaahhhhhhh
14:23 <PovAddict> yep
14:23 <PovAddict> not 965 operations per second
14:23 <mweltin> I assume M is for Mega 10^6
14:23 <PovAddict> 965 *million* operations per second
14:23 <mweltin> hahahahahahahahaa
14:23 <PovAddict> to get the real value:
14:23 <PovAddict> $ grep p_fpops client_state.xml
14:24 <Bikerbob> why would the boinc client use 4 processes ? or have I clicked too many times.. lol
14:24 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: you mean four 'boinc' processes?
14:24 <TM-Work> m is for micro, not mili
14:25 <Bikerbob> no the poject I am doing is seti.. and seti is running 4 processes all the same size.. or thats just how it works the data?
14:25 <PovAddict> TM-Work: we're talking about kilo and mega, not milli or micro
14:25 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: what CPU do you have?
14:25 <Bikerbob> this machine is a Athlon 700 ..
14:25 <PovAddict> if it's a quad-core, there is an obvious reason why there are four processes :)
14:25 <Bikerbob> I wish..
14:25 <Bikerbob> lol
14:25 <PovAddict> :D
14:25 <mweltin> <p_fpops>965250965.250965</p_fpops>
14:26 <PovAddict> mweltin: told ya
14:26 <PovAddict> multiply with *that*
14:26 <Bikerbob> yah.. Athlon 700 modded.. quad core.. boy!!
14:28 <Bikerbob> hmm.. missed the humor on that one eh?
14:28 * PovAddict is not familiar with AMD model names/numbers
14:28 <mweltin> 2.3861e13
14:28 <Bikerbob> ok.. well can I just drage the run_manager to the desktop to create an icon? I guess eh?
14:28 <PovAddict> Bikerbob: yes
14:29 <PovAddict> not the boinc_mgr executable, but yes you can move the run_manager launcher script anywhere
14:30 <TM-Work> athon 700 is only 700 MHz
14:30 <hawmps> just make a desktop link to it...
14:32 <Bikerbob> hmmm.. yepper TM-Work
14:32 <Bikerbob> yeah thats what I did hawmps and set the icon.
14:33 <mweltin> upgrades are not working as well as they should
14:33 <mweltin> I have to edit my workunit cancel script again.
14:35 <Bikerbob> all right only 21 more hours till my first unit done.. lol
14:38 <mweltin> ok new workunits are out
14:38 <mweltin> lets see how they do.
14:39 <PovAddict> *crash*
14:39 <mweltin> LOL
14:39 <PovAddict> I remember I once typed wrong numbers on the workunit input file...
14:39 <PovAddict> sent the work out
14:39 <PovAddict> and went away
14:39 <Bikerbob> so what project are you guys talking about?
14:39 <PovAddict> when I came back, my computer was really laggy
14:39 <PovAddict> turns out it was using almost as much as my total physical memory
14:39 <PovAddict> it was swapping like mad
14:40 <PovAddict> scary thing is, probably I had got more than one user in the same situation :-\
14:40 <mweltin> Bikerbob, TSP
14:40 <Bikerbob> is it just me.. or is anyone surprised that no one has used this to find a better answer (than 42) to the ultimate question
14:40 <Bikerbob> ?? lol
14:40 <PovAddict> lol!
14:40 <Bikerbob> HA! I knew someone would get that.
14:41 <PovAddict> &google calc the answer to life, the universe and everything
14:41 <Romulus> PovAddict: the answer to life, the universe and everything = 42
14:41 <mweltin> even the bot gets it
14:41 <Bikerbob> yep.. its universal.
14:42 <Bikerbob> damm mice.
14:43 <mweltin> I can't believe I didn't get any of my own ga workunits.
14:45 <mweltin> I'm out for a while
14:45 <mweltin> dog walk and all
14:45 <mweltin> thanks PovAddict
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15:20 <hawmps> laterz..
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15:26 <RedBlade7> hi, i had come here yesterday asking about why there was no progress on any workunit, you guys told me that the preferences were set to only work on idle time, i fixed that...
15:26 <RedBlade7> but enigma@home and yoyo@home refuse to change
15:26 <RedBlade7> i've updated, suspended, etc. doesn't work
15:26 <PovAddict> hmm
15:26 <RedBlade7> and the prefs on the web site say to work anytime
15:26 <PovAddict> I think enigma never updates its progress
15:27 <PovAddict> as long as the CPU time elapsed is going up, it's fine :)
15:27 <RedBlade7> only those projects, the rest are fine
15:27 <PovAddict> yoyo updates, but infrequently
15:27 <PovAddict> maybe in some hours it will suddenly jump to 10%
15:27 <RedBlade7> pov: the cpu time is going up. but shouldn't the workunit keep going when it's set to?
15:27 <RedBlade7> oh ok
15:27 <PovAddict> enigma will show as 0% all the time
15:28 <PovAddict> but eventually will jump to 100% and upload the result back :)
15:28 <yoyo_RKN> yoyo updates in 12,5% steps
15:28 <RedBlade7> oh
15:28 <PovAddict> yoyo: what app?
15:28 <yoyo_RKN> cruncher
15:28 <RedBlade7> shouldn't have abandoned that 35% workunit then :(
15:28 <PovAddict> yoyo: how's progress bar on ogr?
15:29 <yoyo_RKN> it is cruncher, in 12,5% steps
15:29 <PovAddict> wait crap
15:29 <yoyo_RKN> there are 8 tasks in the job.xml for wrapper
15:29 <PovAddict> I meant
15:29 <PovAddict> how's progress bar on evo
15:29 <yoyo_RKN> ah
15:29 <yoyo_RKN> update every 30s
15:30 <PovAddict> cool
15:30 <RedBlade7> i'm only doing ogr
15:30 <yoyo_RKN> but the estimated time is estimated and so also the progress bar
15:30 <yoyo_RKN> means wu can finish at 40% or 150%
15:30 <PovAddict> lol
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15:30 <PovAddict> kinda useless progressbar then! :)
15:30 <PovAddict> at least it makes it look busy
15:31 <RedBlade7> lol
15:31 <yoyo_RKN> better than no progress bar
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16:03 <TM-Work> wb PM
16:03 <yoyo_RKN> &weather st. petersburg
16:03 <Romulus> yoyo_RKN: Temperature: 32Â°F / 0Â°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 13mph / 22km/h | Updated: 11:30 PM MSK; Overcast. High:35 ° F. / 2 ° C.; Overcast. Low:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.; Overcast. High:37 ° F. / 3 ° C.; Overcast. Low:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:37 ° F. / 3 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:33 ° F. / 1 ° C.;
16:04 <yoyo_RKN> $weather berlin
16:04 <PovAddict> wrong symbol
16:04 <yoyo_RKN> &weather berlin
16:04 <Romulus> yoyo_RKN: Temperature: 30Â°F / -1Â°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.74in / 1041hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 9:50 PM CET; Scattered Clouds. High:33 ° F. / 1 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 ° F. / -4 ° C.; Clear. High:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Clear. Low:22 ° F. / -5 ° C.; Clear. High:35 ° F. / 2 ° C.; Clear. Low:22 ° F. / -5 ° C.;
16:05 <TM-Work> chilly
16:05 <yoyo_RKN> &weather moscow
16:05 <Romulus> yoyo_RKN: Temperature: 28Â°F / -2Â°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 11:30 PM MSK; Overcast. High:30 ° F. / -1 ° C.; Overcast. Low:28 ° F. / -2 ° C.; Overcast. High:33 ° F. / 1 ° C.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 ° F. / -1 ° C.; Chance of Snow. High:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 ° F. / -3 ° C.;
16:05 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires
16:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 79Â°F / 26Â°C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ART; Clear. High:80 ° F. / 27 ° C.; Clear. Low:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:86 ° F. / 30 ° C.; Clear. Low:68 ° F. / 20 ° C.; Clear. High:80 ° F. / 27 ° C.; Clear. Low:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.;
16:05 <TM-Work> &weather seattle, WA
16:06 <Romulus> TM-Work: Temperature: 44°F / 7°C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy with scattered showers. Highs in the upper 30s to mid 40s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Scattered showers and partial clearing through the evening. An increasing chance of rain after midnight. Lows in the 30s. (1 more message)
16:06 <TM-Work> &more
16:06 <Romulus> TM-Work: Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Rain...breezy. Highs in the 40s. South wind 15 to 25 mph.;
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16:06 <TM-Work> "lows in the 30s" is rather vage
16:06 <yoyo_RKN> ah seattle, I was there some years ago
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16:07 <TM-Work> its where im heading for xmas
16:07 <TM-Work> wb pov
16:07 <TM-Work> what were you doin in seattle?
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16:08 <yoyo_RKN> I made a business trip
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16:08 <TM-Work> nice
16:08 <TM-Work> what time of year?
16:08 <yoyo_RKN> think it was in October
16:09 <yoyo_RKN> 3 weeks
16:09 <TM-Work> ahh, beginning of the rainy season
16:09 <TM-Work> oct-june
16:10 <yoyo_RKN> a lot of work, without much spare time, working also in the night and on weekends
16:10 <TM-Work> ouch
16:10 <TM-Work> what were you doing?
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16:11 <yoyo_RKN> We were a team of 10 which made concepts and software architecture for one customer
16:11 <TM-Work> ahh, nice
16:12 <yoyo_RKN> but there was no contract afterwards, so many things were for the trash
16:13 <TM-Work> well that sucks
16:15 <yoyo_RKN> but some concepts were the base for some development we did in the past and which other customers wanted
16:16 <TM-Work> so you didnt build it from scrtach at least...
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16:24 <A_Bach> helo
16:25 <A_Bach> is there any other # for boinc... in other language?
16:32 <TM-Work> dunno
16:32 <TM-Work> this is the only channle I know of for BOINC
16:32 <TM-Work> however most here do speek more than just english
16:33 <A_Bach> polish f.e. ?
16:33 <A_Bach> cos i have 1 little problem with my client
16:33 <PovAddict> A_Bach: do you have Skype?
16:33 <TM-Work> seems like I rememebr som,eone who frequents here can speek that
16:33 <BadBarbarian> wait one min
16:33 <A_Bach> now? not . havent instaled on linux yet
16:34 <A_Bach> mabye i will try to talk in en. :)
16:34 <Romulus> Title: Polski serwer projektu SETI@Home (at www.setiathome.pl)
16:35 <A_Bach> i'm using xubuntu amd64, ( on athlon 64x2)
16:35 <A_Bach> boinc manager - 5.10.8
16:35 <Romulus> Title: BOINC@Poland (at www.boincatpoland.org)
16:36 <A_Bach> those sites i already wisited
16:36 <BadBarbarian> ok
16:36 <A_Bach> (visited)
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16:37 <A_Bach> on windows i have option in manager to change: how many procesors he can use
16:37 <PovAddict> on all platforms you have that option
16:37 <A_Bach> on linux boinc is using only 1 procesor
16:38 <PovAddict> what project? (so that I give you the correct link)
16:38 <A_Bach> on linux me is counting only sha1
16:39 <PovAddict> "On multiprocessors, use at most X processors"
16:39 <A_Bach> yes.
16:39 <PovAddict> what is it set to?
16:40 <A_Bach> and its set to 16
16:40 <TM-Work> good
16:40 <A_Bach> but i can see it counting only 1 work
16:40 <PovAddict> go to http://boinc.iaik.tugraz.at/sha1_coll_search/home.php and tell me the Account number (at the bottom of the page)
16:41 <A_Bach> i forget password... i'm waiting to acount key
16:41 <A_Bach> my e-mail is slow
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16:44 <A_Bach> 5410
16:44 <PovAddict> strange...
16:44 <PovAddict> it *is* recognized as a dualcore
16:45 * PovAddict scratches off theory
16:45 <A_Bach> Number of CPUs: 2
16:45 <A_Bach> on windows boinc is working on 2 cpus.
16:46 <A_Bach> on linux: 1
16:47 <A_Bach> mabey its becouse old version of boinc manager, but i didnt find actual *.deb
16:47 <PovAddict> multiple CPUs are probably supported since version 3.x :)
16:50 <A_Bach> i have changet "On multiprocessors, use at most X processors" to 2 cpu
16:50 <A_Bach> (from 16 to 2_
16:50 <PovAddict> now on the manager, select the SHA1 project and click Update
16:50 <A_Bach> its not nesesery now
16:50 <A_Bach> it helpt
16:51 <A_Bach> .. it is good now :)
16:52 <xcamel> 'lo
16:54 <CoderForLife> ehlo
16:55 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
16:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 26.3°F / -3.2°C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023.2hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4.7mph / 7.6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 20s. Light south winds.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Warmer with highs in the lower 40s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a slight (1 more message)
16:55 <CoderForLife> &more
16:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of a rain shower overnight. Warmer with lows in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;
16:55 <CoderForLife> balmy
16:56 * CoderForLife breaks out the suntan lotion
16:57 <A_Bach> what is it?
16:57 <CoderForLife> that's "break", as in "to chip out of the ice"
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17:02 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
17:02 <MTughan> lol on the sunscreen.
17:04 <CoderForLife> hey Michael
17:04 <CoderForLife> I crack myself up all the time =)
17:04 <MTughan> lol
17:08 <CoderForLife> Gartner says "The Ruby Language Will Reach 4 Million
17:08 <CoderForLife> Programmers by 2013"
17:09 <PovAddict> looked at it
17:09 <PovAddict> didn't like it
17:09 <BadBarbarian> afternoon all
17:09 <MTughan> I like Perl. Haven't taken a look at Ruby...
17:09 <MTughan> 'lo BB
17:09 <BadBarbarian> 'lo MT
17:11 <CoderForLife> Ruby is the heir apparent
17:11 <MTughan> Huh?
17:11 <xcamel> re-re-hi
17:11 <MTughan> 'lo Jay
17:11 <CoderForLife> re ehlo
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17:12 <MTughan> 'lo mw
17:12 <mweltin> MTughan,
17:12 <mweltin> crunch3r hooked me up.
17:12 <MTughan> With?
17:13 <CoderForLife> ""The Rails framework is the clear "killer application" for the Ruby language, but other uses will also drive increased interest in this technology in the coming years."
17:13 <mweltin> He found a thing called STLports (windows app for tsp)
17:13 <MTughan> Nice...
17:13 <mweltin> cfl don't believe the hype
17:13 <mweltin> ruby is cool, but slow.
17:13 <PovAddict> mweltin: you were complaining about that ga app being too slow?
17:13 <mweltin> Rails is cool but not mature enough to rely on.
17:13 <PovAddict> err
17:13 <PovAddict> ant colony thing
17:14 <Romulus> Title: Ant Colony Optimisation (at uk.geocities.com)
17:14 <mweltin> this was the tsp app
17:14 <mweltin> yes I was
17:14 <xcamel> stupid flashplayer plugin...
17:14 <mweltin> I didn't watch it too closely
17:14 <PovAddict> mweltin: that ant colony app is slow because it waits a second between iterations so that you can watch it
17:14 <PovAddict> remove the sleep() and it will run quite fast :)
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17:14 <mweltin> makes sense
17:15 <mweltin> I never heard of STLports, is that a windows thing?
17:15 <mweltin> there are about 7 ga workunits out there waiting to be sent.
17:15 <mweltin> I need to learn more about the way jobs are sent out.
17:16 <mweltin> I still can't believe I didn't get any of those wu's
17:16 <xcamel> works in firefox, pooched in opera again
17:16 <PovAddict> xcamel: what does?
17:16 <xcamel> flashplayer
17:17 <mweltin> the guy is from Spain seems nice enough.
17:17 <Romulus> Title: STLport: Product (at www.stlport.org)
17:17 <PovAddict> a faster STL?
17:18 <mweltin> the download is free, but is it open source?
17:19 <PovAddict> yes
17:19 <mweltin> is it platform independant?
17:19 <mweltin> more or less
17:19 <PovAddict> that's the main point of it, it's more portable than the original from SGI
17:19 <mweltin> license is "other/proprietary"
17:20 <Romulus> Title: STLport: License Agreement (at www.stlport.org)
17:23 <mweltin> I guess so, it's just not the gnu license
17:23 <mweltin> that works.
17:23 <xcamel> bbiab..
17:23 <PovAddict> it's not GPL, it's even less restrictive (can be used in closed-source programs)
17:24 <mweltin> yes I just finished reading that.
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17:24 <mweltin> I like the license, I'm down with it.
17:25 <mweltin> ok I have to go again. Shopping this time.
17:25 <mweltin> I hate to go shopping.
17:25 <mweltin> unless I'm buying a new laptop.
17:25 <mweltin> but even then I don't like itmuch.
17:25 * TM-Work thinks w should get a real comp for this project ;)
17:25 <mweltin> I always feel like I could have gotten a better deal somehwere else.
17:26 <MTughan> Aren't you getting some space on another server?
17:26 <MTughan> I thought I read that on the TSP forums...
17:26 <mweltin> Yeah, afer christmas.
17:26 <mweltin> Dr.McLovin is goign to hook me up with a virtual server somewhere.
17:26 <MTughan> PovAddict: I've much improved my Makefile for TSP. mweltin, you might be interested in it too.
17:27 <mweltin> he is finding out if I get a static IP. and I'm trying to figure out how to do the move.
17:27 <PovAddict> /notice MTughan try /join #drboinc
17:27 <PovAddict> ...crap lol
17:27 <mweltin> Yes very much so.
17:27 <PovAddict> agh I hate pidgin
17:27 <MTughan> No /notice?
17:27 <mweltin> PovAddict, I'm trying to get the gnu build tools working with the project source code.
17:27 <PovAddict> I ctrl-enter'd which bypasses command parsing
17:28 <MTughan> Ah.
17:28 <PovAddict> mweltin: autoconf/automake?
17:28 <MTughan> And I can't seem to join there...
17:28 <PovAddict> MTughan: and when I pressed enter the right way, I got "no such command", so yeah, no notices
17:28 <mweltin> yes PovAddict so someone can run ./configure once and just update the source from svn
17:28 <mweltin> and get a consistant build.
17:28 <PovAddict> mweltin: you don't need autohell for that
17:29 <mweltin> no but I like the use of the Makefile.am
17:29 <mweltin> and then building debug version and optimized versions will be easier.
17:29 <PovAddict> you can make your own configure script
17:29 <mweltin> I don't konw of another way.
17:29 <PovAddict> a configure script is just a shell script
17:30 <MTughan> Should I make it so that debug mode can be turned on inside mine?
17:30 <mweltin> yeah, but I don't need to reinvent it.
17:30 <PovAddict> nope, just read pages and pages of autohell docs
17:31 <mweltin> MTughan, not if you build a release
17:31 <MTughan> Yeah, it'd be a flag.
17:31 <mweltin> debug mode -DDEBUG prints a ton of stuff to sTDOUT
17:31 <PovAddict> ./configure --enable-debug
17:31 <MTughan> -g wouldn't do anything?
17:31 <mweltin> yeah that would be nice
17:32 <mweltin> no -g is fine just adds a bunch of symbols and other debug stuff.
17:32 <MTughan> So -g -DDEBUG?
17:32 <mweltin> ok Ihave to run
17:32 <mweltin> that is what I use MTughan
17:32 <MTughan> All right, see you.
17:32 <MTughan> I just use -O3 right now.
17:32 <mweltin> bye
17:32 <mweltin> won't work with ga.
17:32 <MTughan> Seems to. Compiles fine.
17:32 <mweltin> the RNG barfs on it for me.
17:32 <mweltin> cool
17:32 <mweltin> ok this time I'm really out of here.
17:33 <mweltin> bye
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17:33 <MTughan> So you're off, I'll work on mine. Bye.
17:33 <PovAddict> yeah get outta here already
17:33 <MTughan> Damn, too late...
17:33 <MTughan> P
17:33 <MTughan> :P*
17:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: Is there a way I can comment out parts in a Makefile?
17:35 <MTughan> Like have a set of debug flags that can be commented out for the normal flags.
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17:35 <PovAddic1> fux0rz
17:35 <PovAddic1> # comment
17:36 <MTughan> Thanks.
17:36 <MTughan> Oh, so just like a shell script.
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17:38 <CoderForLife> off to write an AJAX thingy in PHP
17:38 <CoderForLife> cya folks
17:38 <MTughan> Heh. Compiling with debugging flags take a lot less time.
17:38 <MTughan> Bye CFL.
17:39 <PovAddict> compiling without -O takes less time :)
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17:39 <MTughan> Yeah, that's the one.
17:39 <MTughan> Especially -O3.
17:39 <PovAddict> watch its memory usage too
17:39 <ChristmasCoder> there - that's better
17:39 <MTughan> I'm not running it.
17:39 <PovAddict> it needs a lot of RAM to keep track of all the program
17:39 <PovAddict> the compiler, that is
17:39 <MTughan> Oh, GCCs.
17:40 <MTughan> It actually starts up subprocesses, so I can't actually watch the compile, because they flash on and off within a couple hundredths of a second.
17:40 <MTughan> Fastest Activity Monitor can watch is 0.5 second intervals. No idea about top.
17:41 <PovAddict> a big function being reduced to just its result - that's why you need special stuff for benchmarks :)
17:42 <PovAddict> compilers may notice benchmark code is just calculating stuff and throwing away the results, so it could remove the whole thing :P
17:42 <MTughan> lol
17:42 <MTughan> "Look, this compiler produces incredibly fast results! Everyone get it!!!"
17:42 <MTughan> xD
17:42 <PovAddict> yeah
17:43 <PovAddict> optimized away the whole code
17:43 <MTughan> Hehe...
17:43 <PovAddict> 'volatile' on the variables keeping the results is usually enough
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17:44 <MTughan> Doesn't Rommie usually greet you?
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17:44 <xcamel> usually..
17:44 <MTughan> BaadBarbarian: Turned into a sheep, have we?
17:44 <PovAddict> baa
17:45 <MTughan> Anyway, I have to heat up some leftovers for dinner. See you all later.
17:45 <BaadBarbarian> darn isp
17:45 <xcamel> just finished dinner...
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17:45 <xcamel> nice tender pork roast
17:46 <xcamel> bbl...
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18:45 <xcamel> back again
18:45 <wdsmia> wb
18:46 <Romulus> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del (at cad-comic.com)
18:46 <MTughan> 'lo Jay, Doug
18:48 <MTughan> Heh. Vista is running pretty fast inside of the VM, while OS X slows down to a crawl when it's running. :P
18:49 <PovAddict> renice vmware process
18:49 <MTughan> Huh?
18:49 <MTughan> It's memory usage, not CPU.
18:49 <PovAddict> the 'nice level' is the opposite of a priority
18:49 <PovAddict> ohh :)
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18:49 <PovAddict> get more ram then XD
18:49 <PovAddict> or lower RAM allocated to the VM
18:50 <MTughan> I gave Vista 1GB of RAM, which is half of what I have.
18:50 <PovAddict> crazy
18:50 <MTughan> Well, not really a crawl, but it's slower.
18:50 <PovAddict> yesterday I was playing with a rubik cube solved
18:50 <PovAddict> solver*
18:50 <xcamel> must have overdone it a bit yesterday..
18:50 <PovAddict> in "huge mode" which uses 1GB of RAM and stores a 600MB table on disk
18:50 <xcamel> tired and sore today..
18:51 <PovAddict> works as advertised: 5x faster than the normal optimal solver
18:51 <MTughan> rofl! My Windows rating is 1.0!
18:51 <PovAddict> out of?
18:51 <PovAddict> 10?
18:51 <efc> Faster than the dudes that can do one in 8 seconds?
18:51 <MTughan> Well, my PC downstairs is about a 3.8.
18:51 <PovAddict> efc: those dudes don't use an optimal solution
18:51 <MTughan> I think the highest rating currently is 5.2.
18:51 <PovAddict> they get "close enough" and move their fingers fast
18:52 <efc> oh, optimal in the sense of least moves
18:52 <PovAddict> yeah
18:52 <MTughan> Processor, 4.7; Memory, 4.5; Graphics, 1.0; Gaming graphics, 1.0; HD rate, 5.9
18:52 <PovAddict> you never get more than 20 moves for any cube
18:52 <MTughan> Okay, so the highest is more than 5.2.
18:53 <MTughan> It's the shi*ty Intel graphics card that's bringing me down.
18:53 <PovAddict> MTughan: not really
18:53 <PovAddict> MTughan: VMware doesn't let the guest OS access your shitty-or-not gfx card
18:53 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
18:53 <MTughan> I have 3D acceleration on in VMware, but it doesn't support all features.
18:53 <MTughan> Because of the Intel integrated.
18:56 <PovAddict> efc: also, the optimal solver gets you an optimal solution in a few minutes; huge mode uses a lot more RAM and lets it generate the same, but faster
18:57 <PovAddict> basically, keeping more intermediate data in memory...
18:57 <wdsmia> Looks like Boincstats found a time warp
18:57 <PovAddict> "The huge optimal solver works the same way as the standard optimal solver does. The only difference is that it uses the UDSliceSorted coordinate instead of the UDSlice coordinate to build the pruning table. So this table is about 24 times bigger and the average pruning value is higher, as documented in the distribution of the pruning table. It runs about 5 times faster than the standard optimal solver."
18:58 <PovAddict> weird wdsmia
18:58 <wdsmia> Last daily update:
18:58 <wdsmia> 2005-09-07 16:24:52 GMT
18:58 <wdsmia> 831 days 07:30:25 ago
18:58 <MTughan> lol
18:59 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager (at boincstats.com)
18:59 <PovAddict> lots of 0s
18:59 <efc> you'll enjoy playing with the Galactic Positioning System then, when I finish it in 2017
19:04 <MTughan> Heh. Driver software might help for the graphics...
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19:11 <MTughan> Gah... Graphics number is still 1.0.
19:17 <Tank_Master> hehe
19:18 <BadBarbarian> woohoo my quad gets here friday
19:19 * MTughan is jealous
19:23 <xcamel> in the middle of the xmas rush
19:23 * xcamel wonders if the new amd 'phenom' will be worth looking into
19:24 <Tank_Master> bout time, BB
19:25 <Tank_Master> xcam, no not really
19:25 <Tank_Master> if you looking in the 4way server market, then yes ;)
19:27 <xcamel> Fidel Castro resigns (fox news)
19:29 <PovAddict> woot?
19:30 <Tank_Master> is he a woman now?
19:32 <xcamel> probably giving it to Raul
19:39 <BadBarbarian> & weather 86046
19:39 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 37.4°F / 3.0°C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 23.59in / 798.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7.6mph / 12.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 16 to 22. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs around 44. Light winds.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain and snow showers. No snow (1 more message)
19:39 <BadBarbarian> &more
19:39 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: accumulation. Snow level 6500 feet. Lows 22 to 28. Southwest winds around 15 mph.;
19:39 <Tank_Master> balmy
19:44 <xcamel> lol Doug - living in Iowa must be aggravating as all hell at the moment...
19:45 <MTughan> We just had a big storm come through. Got about 30+cm of snow. PovAddict's jealous. :P
19:45 <xcamel> BB - discovery channel had a great episode of 'fearless planet' featuring the grand canyon last night
19:48 *** Bad_At_Home_ is now known as cool
19:49 * Tank_Master slaps cool around a bit with a large trout
19:49 <cool> huh
19:49 <cool> what happened
19:49 <MTughan> You /nick'ed yourself.
19:50 <Tank_Master> you noobed yourself
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19:50 <PovAddict> lol
19:50 <MTughan> I like it... http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/wallpapers/scott_unleashed_1920.jpg
19:50 <Tank_Master> that wont work, bb
19:51 <Tank_Master> nice art
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19:51 <PovAddict> heh
19:51 <Tank_Master> wb cool
19:51 <PovAddict> XD
19:51 <MTughan> How 'bout this one? http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/wallpapers/everquesters1920.jpg
19:51 <Tank_Master> told ya it wouldnt work
19:51 <cool> NOOOOOOOOO
19:51 <PovAddict> cool: /nick Bad_At_Home
19:51 <Tank_Master> say that one
19:51 <Tank_Master> not that big though...
19:52 <MTughan> Tank_Master: What are you talking about?
19:52 <cool> \nick Bad_At_Home
19:52 <PovAddict> the other slash
19:52 <PovAddict> geez
19:52 <MTughan> Forward slash, not backslash.
19:52 <Tank_Master> lol
19:52 *** cool is now known as Bad_At_Home
19:52 <PovAddict> he did it \o/
19:52 <Tank_Master> MT - that pic is from the latest commic
19:52 <MTughan> Yep.
19:52 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: yes it is
19:53 <Tank_Master> congrats BB!
19:53 <Bad_At_Home> didnt know i could do that lol
19:53 <Tank_Master> sad, bb, real sad
19:53 <Tank_Master> ;)
19:53 *** PovAddict is now known as you_
19:53 * you_ are a retard
19:53 <Bad_At_Home> Ok so i am an irc noob lol
19:53 *** you_ is now known as PovAddict
19:53 <Bad_At_Home> lol
19:53 <MTughan> "you" was already taken?
19:53 <PovAddict> server-rejected
19:54 <PovAddict> weird
19:54 <Tank_Master> yeah
19:54 <PovAddict> "maybe the nickname has invalid characters"
19:54 <Tank_Master> noobish server
19:54 <MTughan> lol
19:54 <Bad_At_Home> tank alter ego You
19:54 <Tank_Master> "you Erroneous Nickname"
19:54 <Tank_Master> thats what it returns as on mine
19:55 <MTughan> It's not registered as a nick.
19:56 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #367808 (at www.bash.org)
19:57 <MTughan> rofl
19:57 *** MTughan is now known as we
19:57 * we are quite interesting indeed
19:57 <xcamel> you are now legion?
19:57 *** Tank_Master is now known as your
19:57 <we> Hehe. "we" is registered as a nick...
19:57 * your mom is spaking santa again
19:57 *** we is now known as I
19:58 <your> so is your
19:58 * I thinks you're crazy
19:58 * your crazy
19:58 <I> Oh sh*t...
19:58 *** I is now known as MTughan
19:58 *** your is now known as Tank_Master
19:58 <MTughan> <NickServ> This nickname may not be used. Please choose another.
19:58 <MTughan> <NickServ> If you do not change within one minute, you will be disconnected
19:59 <Tank_Master> lol
19:59 <PovAddict> I have seen servers do that with any registered nickname
19:59 <MTughan> Except when the person identifies, of course.
19:59 <Tank_Master> dumb @$$ server
19:59 <Tank_Master> theres no fun
19:59 <MTughan> "your" and "we" worked.
20:00 <Tank_Master> your was registered to
20:00 <MTughan> So? They weren't being used.
20:00 <Tank_Master> but it didnt warn about a disconnect
20:00 <MTughan> It's just "I".
20:00 <MTughan> PovAddict just said some servers do that. Freenode doesn't.
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20:04 <Tank_Master> wb
20:27 <Tank_Master> oh, povaddict
20:27 <Tank_Master> you still there?
20:27 <Tank_Master> Happy Birthday, Pov :Þ
20:27 <PovAddict> :)
20:29 <xcamel> 13 again?
20:29 <Tank_Master> 17
20:29 <MTughan> Yesterday.
20:29 <xcamel> scary stuff...
20:29 <Tank_Master> still monday here ;)
20:29 <MTughan> Same.
20:29 <xcamel> ditto
20:29 <PovAddict> so today
20:30 <PovAddict> 17 on the 17th
20:30 <Bad_At_Home> Same here
20:30 <Tank_Master> ya
20:30 <xcamel> bbiab - again
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20:36 <Tank_Master> wb
20:38 * xcamel wonders if the reboot helped..
20:39 * Tank_Master wonders for the sake of wondering
20:39 <xcamel> nope..
20:40 <xcamel> flashplayer is screwed in opera again.
20:40 <xcamel> damn I hate that.
20:41 <Tank_Master> then dont use opera
20:44 <Soul_keeper> i tellya
20:45 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [00:15:209] Changes .:. Godsmack .:. Faceless (Retail) .:. Track 3
20:45 <MTughan> Gah, that's a bright blue...
20:45 <Tank_Master> that it is
20:45 * PovAddict 's eyes burn
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20:49 <Soul_keeper> i coded it to display that color ...
20:49 <Soul_keeper> it's not so bright on my side
20:49 <Soul_keeper> looks more like a grey
20:50 <Soul_keeper> geez learning gtk is somewhat of a struggle
20:50 <Soul_keeper> it's coming, but slowly, and i got nobody to ask help from
20:51 <xcamel> no #gtk channel?
20:51 <Soul_keeper> yeah they are all idlers
20:52 <Soul_keeper> just another chan with many questions asked and hardly any responded to
20:52 <xcamel> try #wxgtk
20:52 <JohnMahowald> #gtk+
20:52 <Soul_keeper> this chan is bigger than #gtk
20:52 <JohnMahowald> They also are on gimpnet I think.
20:52 <xcamel> likely..
20:52 <Romulus> Title: gtk - Chat Rooms on IRC - irc.netsplit.de (at irc.netsplit.de)
20:53 <Soul_keeper> i ditched vboxes for a table, now i'm kinda at a halt as things aren't displaying/rendering correctly
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21:01 <MTughan> 'lo mw
21:01 <mweltin> MTughan!
21:01 <mweltin> whats up?
21:01 <Tank_Master> mw!
21:02 <Tank_Master> guess what?
21:02 <MTughan> Playing a game of Sudoku...
21:02 <Tank_Master> no...
21:02 <mweltin> making toast
21:02 <Tank_Master> no...
21:02 <MTughan> That's what I'm doing. Playing Sudoku.
21:02 <mweltin> and the burn marks look like a sudoku
21:02 <MTughan> lol
21:03 <Tank_Master> Knights Who Say Ni! has challenged us in TSP
21:03 <Tank_Master> saying they can get #1 and we can keep it
21:03 <mweltin> jam is a poor substitute for a worm gear.
21:03 <mweltin> NICE!
21:03 <MTughan> What team, SETI.usa?
21:03 <Tank_Master> like thats gonna happen
21:03 <Tank_Master> yeah
21:03 <Tank_Master> Knights Who Say Ni! v SETI.USA
21:04 <mweltin> the new GA workunits are long and based on fpops
21:04 <mweltin> although none have been sent
21:04 <mweltin> there are about 7 waiting to go out.
21:04 <mweltin> sorry scratch that
21:04 <mweltin> there are about seven waiting to fail again.
21:04 <mweltin> WTF
21:04 <Tank_Master> lol
21:05 <mweltin> smae deal rsc_LIMIT_exceeded
21:05 <MTughan> PovAddict?
21:06 <mweltin> the have the old estimate.
21:06 <mweltin> thats strange.
21:06 <Tank_Master> my dinner is ready, ill bbl
21:06 <mweltin> later
21:06 <mweltin> crap
21:07 <mweltin> the WU template had it in there. But I was using the C-api
21:07 <mweltin> not enven sure why I need the template.
21:07 <mweltin> now I have to cancel a bunch more.
21:09 <mweltin> ok the template file was over writing the values stored in the WU object in the C api based workgenerator.
21:12 <mweltin> ok I'm back
21:14 <mweltin> MTughan, did you checkin a new Makefile in your branch?
21:14 <mweltin> or was that PovAddict
21:14 <MTughan> I have a branch?
21:14 <mweltin> don't you ?
21:15 <MTughan> I don't know.
21:15 <mweltin> well I guess not.
21:15 <MTughan> I uploaded my Makefile to my webserver for safekeeping...
21:15 <mweltin> do you want a branch?
21:15 <MTughan> I don't know how to use it anyway, and I don't contribute too many changes.
21:16 <mweltin> ok, well the option is always there for you is you want.
21:16 <MTughan> Okay, thanks.
21:16 <mweltin> you can use branches/mweltion for a working copy if you want.
21:16 <MTughan> Working copy of what?
21:16 <mweltin> I'm trying to keep trunk as a "stable build"
21:16 <mweltin> if you commit changes
21:17 <mweltin> do it to that branch first.
21:17 <mweltin> Unless you know it won't break a build.
21:17 <mweltin> simple edits you can commit to the trunk
21:17 <MTughan> Once again, how do I use a branch?
21:18 <mweltin> you know how you check out the trunk and it becomes your working copy.
21:19 <mweltin> when you say svn update or commit it updates to or from the trunk?
21:19 <MTughan> Yeah...
21:19 <mweltin> well if you checkout a branch, then that becomes your working copy, and any and all svn commands are relative to the branch instead.
21:19 <MTughan> They're just different directories?
21:19 <mweltin> It only requires you checkout the branch.
21:19 <mweltin> yes exactly
21:20 <MTughan> Ah, that was the part I was confused about.
21:20 <mweltin> well apparently not too confused as you figured it out on your frist try.
21:20 <MTughan> Just confused about that part.
21:20 <MTughan> Is the GA copy in trunk stable and ready for use?
21:21 <mweltin> yes
21:21 <mweltin> let me check first
21:21 * xcamel is about ready to put a 5 minute limit on "code overload' discussions
21:21 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/tsp_ga.tar.bz2 If it is stable.
21:21 <MTughan> Hot off the compiler.
21:21 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmm
21:21 <mweltin> they differ by a little bit.
21:22 <mweltin> crap
21:22 <mweltin> ok I know what I can do
21:22 <MTughan> I have the latest from trunk.
21:22 <mweltin> hold on
21:22 <mweltin> I'm going to md5 the one in the tsp project dir adn the branch and trunk and see which ones matches.
21:23 <mweltin> does an md5 has get effected by the name of the file?
21:23 <xcamel> ahem...
21:23 <MTughan> *affected
21:23 <mweltin> identical files with different names?
21:23 <MTughan> I have no idea, PovAddict could tell.
21:23 <MTughan> Why not just rename one file?
21:23 <mweltin> ok
21:23 <MTughan> xcamel: You have a problem with something?
21:24 <JohnMahowald> mweltin: Sounds like an experiment!
21:24 <JohnMahowald> Time for science!
21:24 <xcamel> not really...
21:24 <mweltin> I'm un-affected by you xcamel
21:24 <mweltin> and yes its science
21:25 <MTughan> No, MD5s are not affected by file names.
21:25 <xcamel> most of your rapid fire project discussions could be taken off-channel
21:25 <MTughan> #tsp
21:25 <mweltin> you are right MTughan
21:25 <mweltin> what?!?!
21:26 <mweltin> that is all I discuss
21:26 <mweltin> who is going to visit #tsp
21:26 <mweltin> I mean really?!
21:26 <MTughan> You want to tangle with an op?
21:26 <mweltin> no
21:26 <MTughan> And you can put the where the room is on your site. Riesel Sieve does.
21:26 <xcamel> ...didn't think so..
21:27 <Romulus> Title: The Riesel Sieve Project (at www.rieselsieve.com)
21:27 <MTughan> Left side, under the menu.
21:27 <xcamel> ti's great that you talk about tsp here - but you should have your own channel for tsp programming and report back here on how it's going
21:28 <mweltin> so let me update that first.
21:28 <mweltin> ok xcamel will do
21:28 <xcamel> #boinc is for more generalized discussions of all projects, and the boinc core
21:28 <MTughan> Which PovAddict is heavily involved... He's wanting to redo the GUI RPC format as well.
21:29 <xcamel> I'm not "sending you away" - it's just the talk gets kind of deep for the regulars and they go into hiding...
21:29 <MTughan> lol
21:30 <mweltin> I hear you xcamel, I'll try to keep it general, and if I'm suggesed to move to #tsp I will do so without fuss.
21:30 <xcamel> I understand that... and PoV brings the results of his efforts back so we can try it/talk about it...
21:31 <mweltin> suggested*
21:31 * xcamel points out #boinc is for all levels of users...
21:34 <Tank_Master> ib
21:35 <mweltin> Tank_Master!
21:35 * Tank_Master notes that #BOINC is for everyone from tools, to users, to lusers, to l33t5, and to noobs of all kinds
21:35 <MTughan> Well that explains why the light in my pocketknife's not working... One of the batteries is down from 3V to 0.06V.
21:36 <xcamel> which means specal care needs to be taken not to 'tilt the mix" too much and drive people away...
21:36 <Tank_Master> lol pov
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21:55 <xcamel> well.. off for now...
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22:07 <mweltin> later
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22:12 <Tank_Master> doh
22:12 <MTughan> Simpsons!
22:12 <Tank_Master> fugly show
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22:13 <Tank_Master> howdy
22:13 <MTughan> I linked the two nicks.
22:14 <Tank_Master> how?
22:14 <PovAddict> chanserv link?
22:14 <MTughan> /msg NickServ HELP LINK
22:14 <MTughan> NickServ link.
22:14 <PovAddict> NICKserv
22:14 <PovAddict> NICKserv
22:14 <PovAddict> NICKserv
22:14 <MTughan> lol
22:14 <PovAddict> written to brain
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22:15 <MTughan> Just testing...
22:15 <PovAddict> I remember when a friend typed "Dim i as Integer" on a C program, then got in panic "OMG TOO MUCH BASIC AT SCHOOL! int i; int i; int i; int i; int i; int i;"