IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2007-12-19

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00:46 <Tank_Master> &cyborg STL

00:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: S.T.L.: Synthetic Troubleshooting Lifeform

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03:15 <mweltin> how do ou get ls to show the path?

03:22 <mweltin> is there anyone here

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03:27 <efc> nope

03:27 <mweltin> efc

03:28 <mweltin> nice call on that search stuff last night.

03:28 <mweltin> kept me up for hours

03:35 <efc> seems like it might be worth running that before the main phase, so the clients can branch and bound more efficiently

03:35 <efc> Also with algorithms like that, the worst case may be 1.5*optimal, but they often do much much better than that

03:35 <mweltin> yeah i have a lot to learn.

03:36 <mweltin> I was thinking that doing a greedy algorithm for each starting point would make a good starting population for the GA.

03:36 <mweltin> rather than starting out with just a random pop.

03:37 <mweltin> I have never tested to see "seeding" a genetic algrithm with an inital pop of good solutions helps or not.

03:37 <mweltin> I have a strange result that came back.

03:37 <mweltin> it checks out, but I don't understand why it has no claimed credit, or any cpu time.

03:38 <mweltin> do you have any ideas?

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03:40 <mweltin> larry

03:40 <LumpyLarry> morn

03:41 <LumpyLarry> trying to make this machine legal again

03:41 <mweltin> hey I have a strange result and I'm tyring to make some sense of it.

03:41 <mweltin> license issues?

03:41 <LumpyLarry> found the original product key and used m$ key update tool to see if it will validate

03:41 <LumpyLarry> somehow over the last 5 yrs the keycode got changed

03:42 <mweltin> good luck with that.

03:42 <mweltin> so anyway.......

03:42 <LumpyLarry> yeah in middle of updates right now

03:42 <efc> Unforunately I don't have a lot of hands-on with TSP like I do with some of the other fun problems. Working them by hand tends to help you really understand.

03:42 <mweltin> I get a result that claims no credit, and no cpu time, but has a good result.

03:43 <mweltin> efc for me its mistakes, sadly that is how I learn.

03:43 <mweltin> or repetition

03:43 <LumpyLarry> ahh one that finishes before machine ever updates

03:43 <mweltin> what LumpyLarry

03:44 <mweltin> I call boinc_finish()

03:44 <mweltin> shouldn't that take care of all this.  Honestly I never looked at the code to see what it does.

03:45 <mweltin> what kills me is tha it checks out and is a darn good path.

03:45 <LumpyLarry> not familar with code - but have had a few wu's from other projects that showed the same

03:46 <mweltin> that is going to suck if this is a big problem.   These workunits are huge.  Well huge for tsp.

03:47 <LumpyLarry> ugg ie7 installing currently - hope it works out mweltin

03:47 <mweltin> well if you clear ie7 you should be good.

03:48 <LumpyLarry> downloaded installed it looks like and running malicious software removal currently

03:48 <LumpyLarry> hasn't asked to validate yet

03:49 <mweltin> my ga task that I got has been running for over 24 hours now.

03:51 <mweltin> BF algorithm 36516 (runnign for a month) first GA 10083

03:51 <mweltin> distances in miles.

03:53 <efc> Do you already know the best answer?

03:53 <ChristmasCoder> morning

03:54 <efc> moo cc

03:54 <ChristmasCoder> moo efc

03:54 <ChristmasCoder> &weather 45140

03:54 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 38.6F / 3.7C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy with a chance of sprinkles. Warmer with lows in the mid 30s. Southwest winds around 10 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 30s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper (1 more message)

03:54 <LumpyLarry> humm guess it validated - no nasty splash screen after i ran it

03:54 <ChristmasCoder> heLLo LL

03:55 <LumpyLarry> morn ChristmasCoder

03:55 <efc> mmm guess I will give up on buying a big LCD this year.. indecision

03:56 * LumpyLarry is more like the moths have won the war for this month

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03:56 <LumpyLarry> they even beat back the wifes raids at pocketbook

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03:56 <efc> The moths? Chewing on the Ms. Inventory?

03:57 <LumpyLarry> guardians of the wallets contents

03:58 <ChristmasCoder> at least you have *something* in your wallet

03:58 <LumpyLarry> they leave the currency alone and chew off fingers that reach for it

03:58 * LumpyLarry looks again -- does lint count?

03:58 <mweltin> no I dont know the best answer.

03:58 * ChristmasCoder counts lint

03:59 <LumpyLarry> then i have one

03:59 <efc> Thought it might be in a database somewhere already

03:59 <LumpyLarry> oops restart need bbiab

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03:59 <mweltin> no I just made up the problem

04:00 <mweltin> that way I couldn't cheat.

04:01 <mweltin> opaque field isn't updating either.

04:01 <efc> I keep trying to see if there's a clever way to speed up the brute force.. There's a trick for factoring where you can check 32 things at once by basically ANDing 32 bit words (long story)

04:01 <efc> Theoretically irrelevant, but still cool

04:01 <mweltin> AND is good

04:01 <mweltin> fast and something to write about in the news.

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04:08 <ChristmasCoder> brb  breakfast

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04:13 <LumpyLarry> well so far so good

04:16 <ChristmasCoder> appearances can be deceiving

04:16 <LumpyLarry> true i see a windoze update shield on bar yet

04:16 <LumpyLarry> this after almost 90Megs of updates

04:16 <mweltin> hahaah

04:17 <mweltin> xp?

04:17 <LumpyLarry> xppro

04:17 <ChristmasCoder> I rebooted twice on Sunday, still had more updates

04:17 <ChristmasCoder> I quit

04:18 <LumpyLarry> just ran the keycode changer and trying to make this machine legal

04:19 * ChristmasCoder puts his fingers in his ears, and starts singing "La La La ..."

04:19 <LumpyLarry> found my 5 or 6 yr old original keycode and it didn't match what was on machine

04:19 <PriitM> great

04:19 <PriitM> update service is active...

04:19 <PriitM> 'To complete the update of your system, restart your system.'

04:19 * LumpyLarry almost wishes his eyes would have went blind before seeing that slip of paper

04:21 <LumpyLarry> ah yes 2 more security updates

04:21 <LumpyLarry> seems like some of these had already been installed before

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04:22 <LumpyLarry> another restart needed but for kodak software this time

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04:25 <PriitM_> irc servers keep owning people

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04:26 <ChristmasCoder> "owning"? like "assimilating"?

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04:31 <LumpyLarry> and yet another update

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04:33 <LumpyLarry> and 3 more on update page

04:34 <LumpyLarry> for 57 more megs

04:35 <LumpyLarry> dang i was way behind

04:36 <ChristmasCoder> LumpyLarry: "seems like some of these had already been installed before" - deja vu - that happens when they change something in The Matrix

04:37 <LumpyLarry> lol yeah and i changed the matrix with new keycode didn't i

04:38 * LumpyLarry wonders how many more thousands of megs of updates he going to get hit with

04:39 <ChristmasCoder> how much can you withstand?

04:39 <ChristmasCoder> multiply times 3

04:39 <LumpyLarry> not much more - bed is calling louder

04:39 * ChristmasCoder listens carefully

04:40 * LumpyLarry whispers sslleeeeeepppppp

04:40 <ChristmasCoder> my bed is badgering me all the time

04:40 <LumpyLarry> lol yeah gots to get up early also

04:40 <ChristmasCoder> dreamland is a tough place lately

04:41 <LumpyLarry> vry the trolls are getting larger al the time - well at least no more updates showing on page

04:42 <ChristmasCoder> you win!

04:42 <ChristmasCoder> you've updated your system to the point of uselessness

04:44 <efc> I wish MS hadn't forgone service packs so much

04:44 <efc> they avoided much of the update hell

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04:46 <efc> this place is a mess

04:46 * ChristmasCoder tries to clean his desk for efc

04:48 * ChristmasCoder hunts for the hidden camera

04:49 <ChristmasCoder> bbiab  bio break

05:03 <ChristmasCoder> bbb

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05:04 <mweltin> boinc_checkpoint_completed() that ring any bells?

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05:15 <LumpyLarry> yup ChristmasCoder machine still as useless now as when i start to clean up its act

05:15 <LumpyLarry> windows media player still will not play the sessions from burp site

05:15 <LumpyLarry> nore are codecs available to get it to

05:15 <ChristmasCoder> you've upgraded to an older, more familiar experience?

05:16 <LumpyLarry> same experience just legal now

05:16 <ChristmasCoder> ah, welcome to hell

05:16 * LumpyLarry wonders when he left

05:16 <LumpyLarry> ;) well time to say

05:16 <LumpyLarry> &nn all

05:16 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

05:20 <mweltin> later

05:21 <ChristmasCoder> cya LumpyLarry

05:22 <ChristmasCoder> I'll sign-off to go to w@#%

05:22 <ChristmasCoder> buh-bye

05:23 <mweltin> bye

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05:48 <xcamel_away> boo

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06:33 <hawmps> 'lo

06:34 <wdsmia> morning Jay

06:35 <hawmps> mornin

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07:31 <hawmps> snow breaking out again...

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08:51 <hawmps> &weather 12020

08:51 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 16.5F / -8.6C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017.5hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Light snow likely this afternoon. Snow accumulation up to an inch. Highs in the lower 30s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. Light snow likely in the evening...then a chance of light (1 more message)

08:51 <hawmps> &more

08:51 <Romulus> hawmps: snow after midnight. Total accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Not as cool with lows in the mid 20s. South winds 5 to 10 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with scattered snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.;

09:00 <Bad_At_Home_> Morning hawmps

09:00 <Bad_At_Home_> &weather 86046

09:00 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home_: Temperature: 33.1F / 0.6C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 23.62in / 799.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 4.9mph / 7.9km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of snow in the morning. No snow accumulation. Highs around 42. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 17 to 23. Light winds.; Thursday - Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly cloudy. (1 more message)

09:01 <Bad_At_Home_> &more

09:01 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home_: Highs around 43. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.;

09:08 <hawmps> 'lo BB

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10:40 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

10:40 <Tank_Master> &more

10:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 45.5F / 7.5C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1003.6hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 11.0mph / 17.7km/h ; Today - Rain in the morning...then showers in the afternoon. Breezy. Highs near 50. South wind 15 to 30 mph with gusts to 40 mph.; Tonight - Showers...breezy. Lows 35 to 40. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph.; Thursday - Showers in the (1 more message)

10:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Highs around 40. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.;

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11:39 <immolo> heya, I'm trying to add a second computer to my account using linux cli does anyone know a nice and easy howto for this?

11:39 <PovAddict> BOINC version?

11:40 <immolo> two secs

11:40 <immolo> 5.8.15

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11:44 <desti_T> download boinc, make the file executeable, execute it, change into the boinc dir and start boinc

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11:44 <PovAddict> I think he already got that far

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11:45 <immolo> yeah

11:45 <PovAddict> so you're on the "attaching" step

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11:46 <immolo> I used emerge to install :o

11:46 <PovAddict> at least you have a decent version

11:46 <PovAddict> I saw somebody who had installed from emerge and got a 2-year-old version (4.72)

11:46 <immolo> yay? :P

11:49 <PovAddict> hmm change to make it easier was 10 months ago

11:50 <PovAddict> bah crap, your version has the "old way"

11:51 <PovAddict> well, got the client running?

11:53 <immolo> not yet

11:53 <immolo> its just installed :P

11:54 <hawmps> re-hi

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11:54 <hawmps> the emerge packages are all way old...

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11:58 <hawmps> anyway - solved the greatest physics question of all time...

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12:06 <PovAddict> immolo: well, I'm not sure where gentoo installs stuff... sometimes those packages automatically start the client...

12:08 <PovAddict> immolo: try typing boinc_cmd --get_state

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13:02 <hawmps> more noobies...

13:03 <PriitM> lol

13:08 <BadBarbarian> hi all

13:09 <PriitM> evening

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14:17 <ries> Hey Guys.. when I snooze boinc, it always startes again after some time.... What is the reason for boinc to continue working even though I really put it on snooze?

14:18 <PovAddict> "that's a feature"

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14:18 <yoyo[RKN]> snooze snoozes for 1h

14:18 <PovAddict> it's one of the really stupid "features" boinc has

14:18 <PovAddict> open the manager, and choose "Suspend" from the "Activity" menu

14:18 <ries> How can I let it stop for always unless ? un-snooze it?

14:19 <ries> Ahhh ok...

14:19 <PovAddict> that will be permanent until you resume it

14:19 <ries> thanks

14:19 <ries> weird feature...

14:21 <mweltin> Hey PovAddict I think I found my problem regarding 0 cpu time but I wasnted to ask you about it.

14:22 <mweltin> I was not calling "boinc_checkpoint_completed()" at the end of my checkpointing.

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14:22 <mweltin> The wiki was unclear but two pages indicate that that function has something to do with cpu time.

14:23 <mweltin> I went to the source and saw that it did, but I couldn't really tell what it was doing.

14:23 <PovAddict> yeah it also stores how much CPU time was done when you checkpointed

14:23 <PovAddict> so that when it resumes from a checkpoint, the CPU time counter starts from there

14:23 <mweltin> perfect problme solved then.

14:23 <mweltin> I feel bad for the people that finished some workunits.

14:23 <mweltin> they were very long and they got no credit at all.

14:24 <mweltin> there were only 4 WU's out ther but still

14:24 <mweltin> at least I was one of them.

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14:31 <mweltin> PovAddict

14:32 <mweltin> ?

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15:58 <xcamel> re-hi

15:59 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

15:59 <xcamel> 'lo Mike

16:00 <xcamel> how goes it?

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16:00 <MTughan> Pretty good.

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16:08 <xcamel> had an epiphany today... solved the Hawking Paradox, but can't do the math to prove it...

16:08 <xcamel> elegant and simple

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16:22 <yoyo[RKN]> mweltin: ?

16:22 <yoyo[RKN]> did you also update your database?

16:22 <mweltin> no

16:23 <mweltin> will that fix it?

16:23 <PovAddict> maybe

16:23 <yoyo[RKN]> first check if it is necessary

16:23 <PovAddict> yes! last DB update was yesterday

16:23 <mweltin> nothing like a strong maybe.

16:23 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

16:24 <PovAddict> yesterday DA added a new feature that needed DB update

16:24 <mweltin> as I recall this was an involved process.

16:24 <PovAddict> not really, you just need one update

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16:27 <mweltin> this is where I use the db_update in html/ops right?

16:27 <PovAddict> yes

16:28 <mweltin> I don't rember the las time I did it.

16:28 <PovAddict> a month ago?

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16:28 <mweltin> about

16:29 <mweltin> I know I need the 12-18

16:29 <PovAddict> yeah you just need the last

16:30 <xcamel> bbiab

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16:35 <mweltin> I still get the recent user issue

16:35 <PovAddict> upgrade again, DA just fixed those bugs

16:35 <yoyo[RKN]> hrrrrr

16:35 <PovAddict> no C(++) code changed so you don't need to recompile

16:36 <yoyo[RKN]> I was just typing it, but PovAddict was faster

16:36 <PovAddict> svn update; cd tools; ./upgrade tsp;

16:36 <mweltin> ok

16:36 <mweltin> DA just sent an email to me

16:36 <PovAddict> he posted to the list saying he fixed the bugs

16:37 * yoyo[RKN] needs to keep the race at yoyo@home running

16:37 <PovAddict> it's really helping you

16:38 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_yoyo_project_day_credits.gif

16:38 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1K0k> (at boincstats.com)

16:38 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

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16:40 <yoyo[RKN]> impressive are the distributed.net stats. in the overall teamstats the Boincteam is at #34 after 134 days. All other teams running since more than 2500 days: http://stats.distributed.net/team/tmsummary.php?project_id=25&team=31743

16:40 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1K0o> (at stats.distributed.net)

16:41 <PovAddict> http://stats.distributed.net/participant/phistory.php?project_id=25&id=462671

16:41 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1K0s> (at stats.distributed.net)

16:41 <mweltin> I stopped the project but get a IOError: [Errno 26] Text file busy: '/home/mweltin/projects/tsp/cgi-bin/cgi'

16:41 <PovAddict> mweltin: somebody was contacting the scheduler on the second you tried to upgrade

16:41 <PovAddict> just run upgrade again

16:42 <mweltin> I just did it three times and the same error every time.

16:42 <PovAddict> "killall cgi" :)

16:42 <mweltin> here is the full error

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16:42 <mweltin> http://pastebin.com/d472ab4b5

16:43 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

16:43 <PovAddict> "killall cgi" and run upgrade immediately after

16:43 <mweltin> are you kidding or should I shutdown apache?

16:44 <mweltin> ok

16:44 <mweltin> worked

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16:46 <mweltin> Tank_Master, the only traffic in #tsp is you loggin in and out.

16:47 <MTughan> Same in #rieselsieve.

16:47 <PovAddict> ban him and solve the problem

16:48 <mweltin> hahaah

16:48 <mweltin> but I like tank

16:48 <MTughan> He can talk here when he's stable.

16:48 <PovAddict> he won't be

16:49 <PovAddict> maybe his internet connection, tho

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17:04 <mweltin> server status is still hosed, that page shows version 14416 (my checkout last night was 14401)

17:04 <mweltin> so it has updated at least once

17:08 <yoyo[RKN]> sleeping time, bye

17:08 <mweltin> bye

17:08 <MTughan> Bye.

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17:10 <ChristmasCoder> boo

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17:11 <ChristmasCoder> brb

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17:16 <ChristmasCoder> brb more

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17:23 <ChristmasCoder> re-hi

17:23 <MTughan> 'lo CC

17:24 <ChristmasCoder> hello MT

17:24 <Tank_Master> MT

17:24 <Tank_Master> CC!

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17:36 <xcamel> back again..

17:36 <ChristmasCoder> hi Jay

17:37 <ChristmasCoder> I like the APOD

17:38 <xcamel> Ah.. Baade's Window

17:38 <ChristmasCoder> pretty cool looking

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17:46 <xcamel> you'd be about the only person here who would appreciate my "grand epiphany" today...

17:52 <xcamel> ie: solving the Hawking Paradox

17:54 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:54 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

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17:55 <ChristmasCoder> information is not destroyed in a balck hole?

17:56 <ChristmasCoder> er black

17:56 * ChristmasCoder glares at his woeful fingers

17:56 <Soul_keeper> can you put a table in a callback with gtk ?

17:59 <xcamel> exactly

17:59 <xcamel> but better than his alternate explanation...

18:01 <ChristmasCoder> have you seen the explanation documented in Wikipedia?

18:01 <xcamel> (subject to a long and heated debate)

18:01 <xcamel> yes..

18:01 <xcamel> this is even better..

18:01 <xcamel> but the math to solv it is borderline impossible

18:02 <ChristmasCoder> I looked at their paper

18:03 <xcamel> my solution - if any given, or all for that matter, singularities are inifitely massive/small, then they all exist at the same place at the same time.

18:04 <ChristmasCoder> all worm-holed together?

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18:04 <xcamel> all information is stored, and was released at the first moment of the big bang, which was the original super singularity.

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18:05 <xcamel> therefore, an infinite feedback loop of all matter and information

18:05 <ChristmasCoder> what about information/matter falling in now?

18:06 <ChristmasCoder> it fell out before?

18:07 <xcamel> all singularities exist at the same place and time - including the original one. if time stops, there was no original procession from the big bang.

18:08 <ChristmasCoder> so, any information falling in now was created in the big bang

18:08 *** mw_away is now known as mweltin

18:08 <xcamel> the problem is that the backside of the loop is nearly impossible for us to comprehend

18:08 <PovAddict> http://arcanux.org/lambdacats/brain.jpg

18:09 * ChristmasCoder feels his head begin to hurt

18:09 <PovAddict> my link is related to that

18:09 <xcamel> bcause it represents the beginning and the end of time at the same time

18:09 <ChristmasCoder> understood

18:09 <xcamel> but the basic math works

18:10 <xcamel> -n space theory might be very very close.

18:10 <ChristmasCoder> my brane is warped

18:10 <xcamel> it will make your head hurt

18:10 <ChristmasCoder> uh-huh

18:11 * ChristmasCoder goes back to writing down selection criteria for a new development manager

18:11 <ChristmasCoder> I want to hire PovAddict

18:12 <ChristmasCoder> if he can put his cat back together

18:12 <PovAddict> my dad would like to hear that

18:12 <ChristmasCoder> pretty long commute

18:12 <PovAddict> indeed

18:12 <MTughan> lol

18:12 <xcamel> and expensive..

18:12 <MTughan> That

18:13 <MTughan> ..'s what VNC is for.

18:13 <PovAddict> or just email

18:13 <PovAddict> and internet-accessible source control

18:13 <xcamel> metaphor for theory... falling rain. you can se that happen

18:13 <ChristmasCoder> Pov would have to show a couple of our Java programmers how it's done

18:14 <PovAddict> hmm not sure

18:14 <xcamel> but you can't see the water evaporating that caused the clouds that the rain fell from

18:14 <mweltin> who need vnc when you have ssh/

18:14 <mweltin> ?

18:14 <ChristmasCoder> another one comes all the time with petty problems in a whiney voice

18:14 <PovAddict> mweltin: Windows targets

18:14 <MTughan> mweltin: VNC is graphical.

18:14 <xcamel> nor can you pinpoint where the water evaporated from

18:15 <MTughan> PovAddict: I think you can get ssh for Windows.

18:15 <PovAddict> I know, but you can't do much useful stuff from a windows command line

18:15 <MTughan> True.

18:15 <ChristmasCoder> putty

18:15 <xcamel> samba

18:15 <MTughan> Samba? lol

18:15 <mweltin> release your mind from the clutter of graphics

18:15 <PovAddict> he meant a ssh *server*

18:15 <ChristmasCoder> ah

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18:16 <ChristmasCoder> free your mind

18:16 <xcamel> server... the guy in the tux?

18:16 <MTughan> PovAddict: MinGW can provide some other tools.

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18:16 <PovAddict> but then you're converting your windows machine into unix

18:16 <ChristmasCoder> how about "net" commands under windows

18:16 <MTughan> So?

18:17 <PovAddict> "That is trying to turn a dog into a cat. No wonder this dog is the worst cat you've ever had."

18:17 * LumpyLarry wonders if PovAddict want to try to set new machine up when i get the rest of the parts only missing the cd/dvd vid card now will reuse the 3.5 and 5.25 drives from the 486

18:18 <ChristmasCoder> bbiab

18:18 <PovAddict> LumpyLarry: will it blend?

18:18 <LumpyLarry> not a clue with c2d 4 gig memory and 2 750gig hd's

18:18 <LumpyLarry> new machine that is

18:19 <LumpyLarry> 486 is sx so no fpu on board

18:19 <LumpyLarry> math coprocessor that is

18:19 <PovAddict> no fpu? that sux

18:20 <LumpyLarry> lol yah did a little looking in old mags here - that machine when new sold for just under 3500

18:20 <LumpyLarry> haven't spent that much on new machine so far and wont either

18:21 <MTughan> Off to dinner...

18:21 * LumpyLarry speaking of cost - goes to write Bad_At_Home_ a check for card

18:21 <MTughan> PovAddict: You're marked as away

18:22 <PovAddict> hmm how should I solve that...

18:22 <PovAddict> remove away status, or go away so that status matches reality...

18:23 <xcamel> reality isn't.

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18:25 <LumpyLarry> and never was

18:26 <LumpyLarry> &zipinfo 86046

18:26 <Romulus> LumpyLarry: City: Williams; State: AZ; County: Coconino; Area Code: 928; Time Zone: MST; Daylight Savings: N; Latitude: 35.6062 (North); Longitude: 112.4411 (West)

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18:27 <xcamel> I'm about ready to boot TM..

18:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

18:28 *** TMatWork was kicked by xcamel (User terminated!)

18:28 *** TM-Work was kicked by xcamel (User terminated!)

18:29 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel

18:29 <xcamel> that solves that

18:29 <PovAddict> thx

18:29 <LumpyLarry> oohhh ouch tm having problems?

18:30 <PovAddict> if his connection drops again, and auto-rejoins channel when reconnecting, I think you'll have to play with +b

18:30 <LumpyLarry> or just his work machines

18:31 <PovAddict> LumpyLarry: his work machines keep connecting and disconnecting

18:31 <LumpyLarry> i see

18:31 <PovAddict> littering channels with the join/quit notices

18:31 <LumpyLarry> and multiply nicks

18:32 <xcamel> ome person doesn't need 3 connections to one channel

18:32 <LumpyLarry> nope

18:32 <xcamel> er one, even.

18:32 * LumpyLarry with my eyesight - thought thats what you typed the first time xcamel

18:33 * LumpyLarry thinks he needs a 50" monitor so he can read the large fonts

18:34 <LumpyLarry> well off to drop Bad_At_Home_ check in mail - hope his return addy and name correct

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18:45 <ChristmasCoder> gotta go

18:45 <ChristmasCoder> cya soon

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18:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

18:49 *** xcamel sets mode: +b TMatWork!*@*

18:49 *** xcamel sets mode: +b TM-Work!*@*

18:49 *** TM-Work was kicked by xcamel (User terminated!)

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18:50 <xcamel> that solves that, again

18:50 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel

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18:50 <FauxFaux> Heh.

18:54 * LumpyLarry peeks at xcamel and notices grinch horns starting to sprout -- hides deep under covers

18:55 *** mweltin is now known as mw_away

18:56 <xcamel> Tank needs to control his clients...

18:56 <xcamel> grinches do not have 'horns'

18:57 <LumpyLarry> well ear tufts then

18:57 <PovAddict> dad just came back from w#$%, and brought ice cream

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18:57 <PovAddict> so brb

18:58 * LumpyLarry hope is was more that 2 liter or dad not going to get any from PovAddict

18:58 <PovAddict> 1kg

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18:58 <LumpyLarry> humm 2.2 lbs that might be enough for him to get one bowl

19:01 <MTughan> LumpyLarry: The reason TMs work machines keep disconnecting is because they're running depspid.

19:02 <xcamel> 'lo e

19:03 <xcamel> they're on the banlist now...

19:03 <efc> moo

19:03 <MTughan> Same as #tsp. Although I did that a few hours ago.

19:03 * LumpyLarry jsut remembered he has 3 half gallon containers of icecream in freezer -- going off to get some

19:03 <MTughan> lol

19:04 <LumpyLarry> depspid?

19:05 <MTughan> I don't remember exactly what depspid does, but it uses the Internet connection heavily.

19:05 <wdsmia> what did I miss?

19:07 <xcamel> the big bang...

19:07 <MTughan> BANG!

19:07 <xcamel> BANG

19:07 <MTughan> BANG!

19:07 <xcamel> lol

19:08 <xcamel> BANG

19:08 <wdsmia> one person doesn't need 3 connections to one channel... Hmmm like xcamel, hawmps, and Romulus?

19:08 <MTughan> lol

19:08 <Tank_Master> o.O?

19:08 <wdsmia> :)

19:08 <MTughan> Dang it...

19:08 <xcamel> smartass...

19:08 <Tank_Master> I had 4 earlyer

19:08 <xcamel> romy doesn't count.

19:08 <Tank_Master> this on, TMatWork, TM=Work, TM_Temp

19:09 <xcamel> and mine don't join/part 40 times in an hour...

19:09 <MTughan> I have two on: this and TSPer.

19:09 <MTughan> lol

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19:10 <MTughan> There.

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19:10 <Tank_Master> its because of depspid

19:10 <Tank_Master> [2007:12:19:16:09:57] * Parts: TSPer (n=supybot@ip-123.83.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net) ("MTughan")

19:10 <MTughan> Yep, he's same machine as me.

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19:27 <xcamel> >> Scientists Find Oldest Living Animal, Then Kill It

19:27 <xcamel> (oops)

19:27 <PovAddict> :o

19:27 <xcamel> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306076,00.html

19:27 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1K3r> (at www.foxnews.com)

19:27 <efc> Its comin right for us! <clickclick>

19:27 <Soul_keeper> http://pastebin.com/m10939d57      what's wrong with this code ?   it is only displaying view2 and leaving view1 blank

19:27 <Romulus> Title: C pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

19:28 <PovAddict> are you ever allocating memory for str1/str2?

19:29 <Soul_keeper> in what way ?  doesn't initializing them do that automatically ?

19:29 <efc> Well, now I know what gtk stuff looks like :)

19:30 <PovAddict> I don't see you initializing them

19:30 <PovAddict> if you say int foo; then foo can have absolutely any number; whatever junk was in memory

19:30 <Soul_keeper> gchar *str1;

19:31 <PovAddict> if you say char* foo; then foo points to some random location in memory (pointer comes from whatever junk was in memory)

19:31 <Soul_keeper> they are strings

19:31 <MTughan> Hehe... He's right.

19:31 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: How big do you want str1 and str2 to be?

19:31 <MTughan> How big a string?

19:31 <PovAddict> I'd be surprised if that code behaves incorrectly instead of crashing immediately

19:31 <Soul_keeper> just big enough to hold a number no larger than say 1000.0000

19:31 <Tank_Master> 30 yards

19:31 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: you never say that on the code

19:32 <xcamel> how long is a string theory?

19:32 <PovAddict> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/string_theory.png

19:32 <Soul_keeper> so how would i initialize them correctly ?

19:33 <MTughan> gchar *str1[9];

19:33 * PovAddict isn't in the mood of explaining basic C pointer concepts

19:33 <PovAddict> and brb

19:33 <MTughan> I would think. Pov can verify.

19:33 <MTughan> Or not.

19:33 <Soul_keeper> ok so as an array

19:33 <MTughan> That's what a string is. A char array.

19:33 <Tank_Master> i like it when a my pay arraised

19:34 <Soul_keeper> so now %s  needs to be changed

19:34 <MTughan> No, that'll still work.

19:35 <MTughan> A string is a char array, but C can understand it as a string.

19:35 <Soul_keeper> it's giving me an error

19:35 <MTughan> What error?

19:35 <Soul_keeper> warning: format '%s' expects type 'char *', but argument 3 has type 'gchar **'

19:36 <MTughan> Oh yeah...

19:36 <MTughan> gchar str1[9];

19:36 <MTughan> What is gchar anyway?

19:37 <Soul_keeper> w00t

19:37 <Soul_keeper> that worked :)

19:37 <Tank_Master> shweet!

19:37 <Soul_keeper> i was on that problem for like 3hrs

19:37 <MTughan> Yeah, forgot an array is a pointer already.

19:37 <Soul_keeper> not even counting yesterday's hours

19:39 <Soul_keeper>

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19:40 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

19:40 <Soul_keeper> what was that, chinese text ?

19:40 <MTughan> I didn't get anything...

19:40 <MTughan> And this is using Unicode.

19:40 <MTughan> Yeah, I have nothing there.

19:41 <Soul_keeper> ok

19:50 <PovAddict> CTCP messages are just normal messages

19:50 <PovAddict> in the format #COMMAND#, where # is byte 0x01

19:50 <PovAddict> 0x01:

19:50 <PovAddict> maybe you dont see it

19:50 <PovAddict> shows as a square here

19:51 <PovAddict> so I type #VERSION# (replacing # with that strange character)

19:51 <PovAddict> VERSION

19:51 <PovAddict> and I get flooded with replies from the whole channel :)

19:52 <quail> Hi all, I need help to center the text in the header on this page please >>> http://me-tv.southernvaleslug.org/test-faq.html

19:52 <Romulus> Title: Me TV, it's TV for me computer (at me-tv.southernvaleslug.org)

19:55 <PovAddict> hmm

19:57 <PovAddict> add position:absolute to the div containing the image

19:57 <MTughan> Must be the logo.

19:57 <PovAddict> works on firefox, I haven't tried on any other browsers yet

19:58 <Soul_keeper> heh

19:58 <PovAddict> the problem you have now is that it's centered on the space left after the image, instead of centered on the whole blue block

19:58 <MTughan> I can test Camino, although it's just a graphical port of FF.

19:58 <Soul_keeper> now i know how to make stuff happen, but i got lotsa lines of code to type

19:59 <PovAddict> I can test IE, but means saving the html to a file to test it

19:59 <PovAddict> I was using firebug to tweak the code in realtime on firefox

20:00 <PovAddict> heh he removed the logo now

20:00 <Tank_Master> YER FACE REMINDS ME OF A WRENCH,EVERY TIME I THINK OF IT MY NUTS TIGHTEN UP!!!!

20:00 <MTughan> Logo's still there for me. Works fine here.

20:00 <Tank_Master> (rednek pickup line

20:01 <PovAddict> quail: interesting solution

20:02 <quail> have a look now and tell me what you think >>>  http://me-tv.southernvaleslug.org/test-faq.html

20:02 <Romulus> Title: Me TV, it's TV for me computer (at me-tv.southernvaleslug.org)

20:03 <quail> PovAddict: had to add padding to the css code to compensate for the image

20:03 <PovAddict> yeah

20:04 <MTughan> Looks fine. Planning on increasing the resolution of the icon?

20:06 <quail> ok now it should look bit more centered :-)

20:08 <PovAddict> ah yes you need to count the 20px margin on the image when compensating

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20:21 <The_XMas_Turkey> povaddict?

20:22 <The_XMas_Turkey> &seen PovAddict

20:22 <Romulus> The_XMas_Turkey: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 13 minutes and 28 seconds ago: <PovAddict> ah yes you need to count the 20px margin on the image when compensating

20:22 <MTughan> he is here.

20:22 <The_XMas_Turkey> 14 minute lag though

20:22 <MTughan> That was the last message before you came.

20:22 <The_XMas_Turkey> mhmm

20:23 <The_XMas_Turkey> need priv talk to him

20:28 <xcamel> 'lo sethy

20:30 *** mw_away is now known as mweltin

20:35 <The_XMas_Turkey> 'lo jay

20:36 <The_XMas_Turkey> anyone seen jan lately?

20:36 <The_XMas_Turkey> ChristmasCoder _o/

20:38 <LumpyLarry> not a yip or yelp in months seth

20:39 <LumpyLarry> &seen spit_thedog

20:39 <Romulus> LumpyLarry: spit_thedog was last seen in #boinc 31 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 10 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Spit_theDog> Bye for now all :)

20:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> morning larry

20:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> hows the wife?

20:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> and self

20:42 <quail> PovAddict: yep :-)

20:43 <quail> MTughan: when I get the original source to it

20:43 <MTughan> Ah, the icon question?

20:46 <quail> MTughan:

20:46 <quail> yeah

20:46 <MTughan> Little delayed answer, don't you think? :P

20:46 <quail> MTughan: i have just tried to sharpen it in the gimp but it looks crap

20:46 <xcamel> 'lo Q

20:47 <quail> MTughan: yeah but I was busy on the phone

20:47 <MTughan> Ah.

20:47 <quail> hey Jay

20:47 <quail> xcamel: you see my bit of master work?

20:48 <xcamel> yup - looks ok

20:49 <quail> thanks :-)

20:49 <xcamel> still getting plenty of rain I see...

20:50 <xcamel> or at least much more than the last couple of years...

20:53 <The_XMas_Turkey> not had any where i live, its just cold

20:53 <quail> xcamel: we not had alot here

20:53 <The_XMas_Turkey> it seems to be the only moist in the air is the dew on the grass in the morning

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20:54 <xcamel> I saw a news blurb that somewhere in Oz the rains have broken a 10 year drought

20:54 <xcamel> could have been sidney

20:54 <The_XMas_Turkey> oztralia?

20:55 <xcamel> undertown

20:56 <The_XMas_Turkey> ;(

20:59 <quail> xcamel: yeah that was a townin the bush

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21:00 <The_XMas_Turkey> hey BB

21:01 <LumpyLarry> quail that's master PIECE not W/*-

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21:02 * LumpyLarry wondered why the censor on screen was flooding my desk with suds

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21:03 <xcamel> sheesh >> Astronaut's mother dies in Ill. crash while son is in space

21:03 <MTughan> Ouch.

21:03 <xcamel> http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=7521809

21:03 <Romulus> Title: Astronaut's mother dies in Ill. crash while son is in space (at www.wqad.com)

21:03 <LumpyLarry> thats hard - as well as a long way to go for final goodbyes

21:03 <xcamel> cars and trains don't mix

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21:09 <The_XMas_Turkey> speaking of space, i was going to do concept arts on ultimate space shuttles to sustain life and food

21:10 <The_XMas_Turkey> and if it worked out nicely do math and see how much of what would be needed and the cost

21:10 <quail> LumpyLarry: huh?

21:15 <xcamel> Ok sethy... pleas call Stephen Hawking and tell him I solved the paradox...

21:15 <The_XMas_Turkey> $time

21:15 <The_XMas_Turkey> :o

21:15 <The_XMas_Turkey> 02:17:39

21:15 <The_XMas_Turkey> i think he'll be asleep

21:15 <xcamel> better than that..

21:15 <quail> hehe

21:15 <The_XMas_Turkey> unless he's on a caffeine drip tonight

21:16 <xcamel> or morphine..

21:16 <The_XMas_Turkey> what if his wife pit xmas decorations on his nose?

21:16 <The_XMas_Turkey> put*

21:16 <xcamel> seriously - I have the solution they never thought of...

21:16 <The_XMas_Turkey> endulge me?

21:16 <xcamel> unified singularity theory.

21:17 <xcamel> all singularities exist at the same time and point in spacetime

21:17 <The_XMas_Turkey> i found a problem in your thoughts

21:18 <The_XMas_Turkey> asuming i have his number

21:18 <xcamel> ie: the business end of a black hole (all of them) are the same singularity

21:19 <xcamel> and that point is the source of the big bang

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21:19 <xcamel> infinite feedback loop - no information is lost.

21:20 <xcamel> it's the perfect solution

21:23 <The_XMas_Turkey> but what is if contains confluctions from dimentional quarcs?

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21:23 <The_XMas_Turkey> and i can not slepp tonight

21:23 <The_XMas_Turkey> spell

21:23 <The_XMas_Turkey> >;o :(

21:24 <xcamel> remember the 'unified' part

21:24 <The_XMas_Turkey> but what if the're not actually 'unified'

21:25 <xcamel> the math works believe it or not - it makes sense

21:26 <The_XMas_Turkey> hmm

21:26 <Tank_Master> &math 33199/4279

21:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 7.75858845525

21:26 <The_XMas_Turkey> but what about my 'uber-space ship' idea?

21:26 <xcamel> it could only be solved that way, because we could never observe the 'backflow' of matter/information back to the big bang singularity

21:26 <MTughan> Ow...

21:27 <PovAddict> http://arcanux.org/lambdacats/brain.jpg

21:27 <The_XMas_Turkey> unless you're those idiotic tv science presenters

21:27 <Tank_Master> http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/challenge/viewTeamChallenge.do?challengeId=532

21:27 <The_XMas_Turkey> orly?!

21:27 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1K5h> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

21:28 <Tank_Master> we have a 7.75x lead over 2nd place

21:28 <xcamel> lol

21:28 <The_XMas_Turkey> apparently dogbytes is back in town

21:29 <The_XMas_Turkey> i was checking BS and i saw darth dogbytes in the team

21:29 <xcamel> you're kidding...

21:29 <The_XMas_Turkey> no i'm not

21:29 <xcamel> 'the other white meat'

21:30 <The_XMas_Turkey> yes

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21:40 <The_XMas_Turkey> someone wants a sample of my fecies for xmas

21:40 <xcamel> TMI

21:40 <xcamel> seriously...

21:40 <The_XMas_Turkey> seriously

21:40 <PovAddict> &acronym TMI

21:40 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

21:40 <PovAddict> :o

21:40 <MTughan> &cyborg TMI

21:41 <Romulus> MTughan: T.M.I.: Transforming Mechanical Individual

21:41 <PovAddict> no

21:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> thats me

21:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> why?

21:41 <MTughan> What, I can't use &cyborg if I want to?

21:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> but seriously

21:41 <The_XMas_Turkey> fecies

21:42 <MTughan> Fecies or feces?

21:43 <MTughan> Nice... While Rommie reports an error with PySQLite if an invalid command is used, TSPer reports and invalid command.

21:44 <PovAddict> because the default plugin, or the plugin that says "bad command", needs PySQLite

21:44 <PovAddict> might be factoids

21:44 <MTughan> I didn't install PySQLite.

21:44 <PovAddict> you didn't configure a plugin that needs it

21:44 <MTughan> Maybe.

21:45 <xcamel> figure out a way to us a modern version of PySQLite

21:45 <MTughan> I've got a fair amount of plugins on there though. Not quite as many as Rommie, but still quite a few.

21:45 <PovAddict> xcamel: what plugin needs it?

21:45 <xcamel> lots of them

21:46 <xcamel> markov, factoids, etc..

21:46 <The_XMas_Turkey> Seth: should i take a s*/- in a bag and give it you? \n and say merry xmas

21:46 <The_XMas_Turkey> Laura: F@#% YEAH. \n I would love that

21:46 <PovAddict> O_O

21:46 <MTughan> Huh. I though I installed markov and factoids.

21:46 <MTughan> Um...

21:47 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

21:47 <xcamel> one more time sethy...

21:47 <MTughan> While you're op, Mac is up to 5.10.31.

21:47 <xcamel> click...BOOM!

21:47 <The_XMas_Turkey> i didnt do anything illegal ?

21:47 *** xcamel changes topic to "BOINC | stats & logs: http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/ Versions: all dev: 5.10.30 windows, Windows x64 | 5.10.31 osx/darwin, | 5.10.28 *nix/32/64 | Romulus (&) is the channel bot"

21:48 <xcamel> keep your fecal fantasy to yourself...

21:48 <The_XMas_Turkey> its not a fantasy

21:48 <MTughan> lol

21:48 *** The_XMas_Turkey was kicked by xcamel (User terminated!)

21:48 <xcamel> there..

21:48 <MTughan> No autojoin on the client... Interesting.

21:48 <xcamel> maybe he'll get the point...

21:49 <PovAddict> PovAddict: lulz

21:49 <PovAddict> The_XMas_Turkey: >:o

21:49 <PovAddict> The_XMas_Turkey: NOT HAPPEH

21:49 <MTughan> Where? Private message?

21:49 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel

21:50 <PovAddict> ROFL

21:50 <PovAddict> The_XMas_Turkey: i dont see how its anywhere near remotely wrong

21:50 <xcamel> cripes..

21:51 <xcamel> I'm not sure what part of that bothers me more..

21:51 <MTughan> You know, we don't really have a reason why it's wrong. It's just taboo in general.

21:52 <PovAddict> he doesn't really have a reason to be talking about *that* *here*

21:52 <MTughan> A very good point indeed...

21:52 <MTughan> I never meant to say that it was right.

21:53 <xcamel> some things I will not put up with  - and that's one of them.

21:53 <MTughan> Totally understandable.

21:59 <xcamel> well... off for now...

21:59 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

21:59 *** xcamel is now known as xcamel_away

21:59 <MTughan> Bye.

23:58 <efc> yeah thanks Flash, for sucking up my CPU for hours in the background

23:58 <MTughan> lol

23:58 <MTughan> I'm off to bed.

23:58 <Bad_At_Home_> nite MT

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