IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2007-12-23

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00:17 <Gatedialer> is there a SETI@home channel on freenode?

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00:21 <Wabbit67> there is a #setiathome channel on EFNet, but mainly that is the home channel of KWSN, even though we occasionally talk about SETI

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00:56 <efc> &math units

00:56 <Romulus> efc: valid types: mass, length, time, scheduling, temperature, temp. diff., current, charge, potential, resistance, conductance, capacitance, magn. flux, inductance, flux density, molecular qty, size of a mol, lum. intens., luminous flux, illuminance, luminance, angle, solid angle, data, data transfer, quantity, interest rate, concentration, force, area, volume, velocity, rot. velocity, fluid flow, gas flow, (1 more message)

00:56 <efc> &more

00:56 <Romulus> efc: pressure, density, energy, power, frequency, radioactivity, radiation dose, dyn viscosity, kin viscosity, acceleration, constant, fuel consumpt.

00:59 <efc> &math convert 1 diopter to power

00:59 <Romulus> efc: Error: diopter is not a valid unit.

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01:17 <MTughan> Off for the night... Bye.

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02:57 <zombie67> how is who?'s app comming?

02:57 <zombie67> is it faster, and can we start using it?

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02:59 <Tank_Master> who?

02:59 <zombie67> who? = intel "special talent" engineer

03:00 <zombie67> he is doing his own optimized app

03:00 <zombie67> for S@H

03:01 <zombie67> at Sun, those engineers are called "fellows"

03:01 <Tank_Master> :P

03:01 <zombie67> basically director or vp level guys, with no staff, and  free reign to do whatever takes their fancy

03:02 <efc2> Yeah, how do you get to be one of those..

03:02 <Tank_Master> lots of school

03:02 <zombie67> no shit

03:02 <wdsmia> asks zombie67 to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

03:02 <Tank_Master> and sucking up to the boss

03:03 * Tank_Master slaps wdsmia around a bit with a large trout

03:03 <efc2> If I go get a PhD, I'd be doing the same garbage as I am now with 10% more pay... guess I'd have to look for greener pastures

03:04 <zombie67> 10% more pay, and how much time would that cost you to get in lost pay and time?

03:04 <efc2> A ton, especially full time, which is what you have to do to go to a decent school

03:04 <efc2> I could work and get the MS from a local school but I know its just a piece of paper

03:06 <efc2> you just do undergrad level projects for 9 or 10 classes. Thats an MS (there anyway)

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03:53 <ChristmasCoder> rain

03:54 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin

03:54 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 23°F / -5°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 9:50 AM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:24 F. / -4 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 F. / -4 (1 more message)

03:54 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather potsdam

03:54 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 9:50 AM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:24 F. / -4 C.; Clear. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:26 F. / -3 C.;

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03:59 <ChristmasCoder> &weather 45140

03:59 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: Temperature: 54.4F / 12.4C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1003.9hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Overnight - A chance of showers late this evening...then occasional showers. Mild. Lows in the mid 40s. South winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 50 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Sunday - Rain showers with a chance of flurries in the (2 more messages)

04:00 <ChristmasCoder> &more

04:00 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: morning... then partly sunny in the afternoon. Blustery. Temperatures falling into the lower 30s in the afternoon. Southwest winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 50 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph...decreasing to 30 mph after midnight.; Wind Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until (1 more message)

04:00 <ChristmasCoder> &more

04:00 <Romulus> ChristmasCoder: 12:00 AM EST on December 24, 2007;

04:00 <mweltin> hey coder

04:00 <ChristmasCoder> hey

04:01 <mweltin> how are things, other than the weather.

04:01 <ChristmasCoder> Ok I guess, dark

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04:03 <yoyo[RKN]> Morning

04:03 <yoyo[RKN]> 10:00 am

04:03 <ChristmasCoder> hello yoyo

04:03 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather Berlin

04:03 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 23°F / -5°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 9:50 AM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:24 F. / -4 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 F. / -4 (1 more message)

04:03 <ChristmasCoder> 4:00am here

04:03 <mweltin> yoyo

04:03 <mweltin> just getting up ChristmasCoder ?

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04:04 <yoyo[RKN]> <--- breakfast

04:04 <ChristmasCoder> been up about 45 minutes

04:05 <andresgr> Hi people

04:05 <mweltin> hey andresgr

04:05 <andresgr> newbie here :)

04:05 <yoyo[RKN]> where did you notice about this channel?

04:06 <andresgr> i've been taking a look at both BOINC and world community grid

04:06 <andresgr> if i understood correctly...

04:06 <mweltin> wcg uses boinc now (fyi)

04:06 <andresgr> BOINC is the software (middleware) that allows grid (volunteer) computing

04:06 <mweltin> but wcg has some great projects.

04:06 <andresgr> and what wcg does is

04:06 <mweltin> yes

04:07 <andresgr> just acts like a middle layer

04:07 <andresgr> which allows you to just download and install one client

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04:07 <andresgr> and participate at the same tame in several projects

04:07 <andresgr> is that right?

04:08 <andresgr> (from the client side perspective, i mean)

04:09 <mweltin> well I'm not the one to ask about that as i don't use wcg. but from what I have read wcg's backend is boinc, so I'm not sure what the difference is other than its projects are well funded by IBM and a few other big names.

04:09 <mweltin> come back when Tank_Master is here.

04:09 <andresgr> ok, thanks.

04:09 <mweltin> he runs some wcg projects, and knows more than I do.

04:10 <mweltin> I would assume you can use your boinc client to attach to a wcg project, but I don't know that for sure.

04:10 <mweltin> what kind of projects are you interested in?

04:10 <andresgr> well...

04:11 <andresgr> i've been diagnosed a pancreatic cancer one month ago... so you'll guess

04:11 <andresgr> wcg has some interesting projects in that direction

04:12 <andresgr> but there are also another BOINC "standalone" projects related to cancer research...

04:13 <mweltin> wcg does some good stuff.  I live in the south pacific and they hvae a dengue project I'd like to run.

04:13 <andresgr> i think the value of wcg is just that:

04:14 <andresgr> you only download "one" client

04:14 <andresgr> and from it, you select what projects you want to share your cpu with

04:14 <mweltin> for boinc projects you only download one client as well, and attache to many many projects.

04:14 <andresgr> you have a "central panel" which is good

04:15 <andresgr> hmmm

04:15 <andresgr> didn't know that...

04:15 <andresgr> so... what's the value added by wcg?

04:15 <mweltin> let me try to use my boinc client to attach to a wcg project

04:15 <mweltin> wcg is older, and was started before boinc.

04:15 <andresgr> well,let's wait for Tank_Master... :)

04:16 <andresgr> mweltin, you're kidding!

04:16 <andresgr> i thought boinc was very much older

04:16 <mweltin> no, that was my understanding, but I've been wrong before on such things.

04:18 * ChristmasCoder works on end-of-year incentive bonus stuff

04:18 <ChristmasCoder> bbl

04:18 <mweltin> so if you download the boinc client and use the gui to attach to a project

04:18 <mweltin> the last option in the list is wcg

04:18 <mweltin> that I can say for sure, I just tried it.

04:18 <mweltin> later ChristmasCoder

04:20 <andresgr> and then you can select what projects inside wcg you want to participate? i guess not...

04:20 <andresgr> i guess it will select all active projects in wcg (a good default, i think)

04:20 <mweltin> I would assume you could

04:21 <mweltin> looks like you will have to create an account on their site, to attach.

04:21 <mweltin> I woudl assume on their site you will set which apps you want to run.

04:22 <mweltin> I run a boinc project that runs some different apps, and I allow users to select which ones they want to run.

04:22 <andresgr> that makes sense...

04:22 <mweltin> yes, people get involved with projects for all kinds of reasons.

04:23 <mweltin> Some personal, some just because they like new things, others just for credits tons of reasons.

04:24 <andresgr> the thing is, i'm planning to make a blog entry (spanish) explaining how people can contribute to cancer, AIDS, Malaria, etc. research

04:24 <andresgr> and then do some "mailings" to friends, forums, etc.

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04:24 <mweltin> sweet

04:24 <andresgr> and right know i'm not sure

04:25 <andresgr> if i should recommend BOINC or WCG...

04:25 <andresgr> the installation process should be as simple as possible

04:25 <mweltin> the economist.com did  piece on DC earlier this month.

04:25 <mweltin> it talks about a site that makes signing up easy.

04:25 <andresgr> i installed WCG client, i'll have to take a look at BOINC

04:26 <mweltin> I forget the name

04:26 <mweltin> just a second I'll find it.

04:26 <andresgr> thanks

04:27 <mweltin> gridRepublic

04:27 <mweltin> google that somethign good should come up.

04:27 <andresgr> ok

04:29 <mweltin> its a .org

04:29 <mweltin> I would recomend BOINC but I'm biased.

04:29 <andresgr> i'm on it

04:33 <andresgr> very good site!

04:33 <andresgr> unfied interface for both BOINC and WCG projects

04:33 <andresgr> i like it

04:34 <andresgr> albeit... it seems it is still beta

04:35 <ChristianB> andresgr: Almost everything that has to do with boinc is considered beta

04:36 <mweltin> LOL

04:36 <ChristianB> flickr and frappr consider themselves also 'beta'

04:36 <andresgr> that's true

04:36 <andresgr> even gmail is still beta i think :)

04:37 <andresgr> ok, forget that comment :)

04:37 <ChristianB> so that's nothing you should be scarry of, calling webapplications beta to get some attention is very common nowadays

04:37 <ChristianB> :)

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04:51 <The_XMas_Turkey> hai

04:51 <mweltin> xmas!

04:51 <mweltin> hi

04:51 <mweltin> wcg is older than boinc no?

04:51 <The_XMas_Turkey> i dont think so

04:52 <mweltin> well I guess I was wrong

04:52 <mweltin> not the first time.

04:52 <andresgr> boinc was launched on 2002

04:53 <andresgr> by David Anderson, the director of SETI@home.

04:55 <The_XMas_Turkey> and WCG?

04:56 <The_XMas_Turkey> i dont get it

04:56 <The_XMas_Turkey> whats with the RCN SS

04:59 <ChristmasCoder> morning The_XMas_Turkey

04:59 <The_XMas_Turkey> morning ChristmasCoder

04:59 <The_XMas_Turkey> seen this http://www.geekoftheday.com/images/funny/childbrides.jpg ?

04:59 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Kt0> (at www.geekoftheday.com)

05:00 <ChristmasCoder> have now

05:00 <The_XMas_Turkey> :)

05:13 <yoyo[breakfast]> re

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05:15 <mweltin> when was the last tiem you did an upgrade?

05:15 <mweltin> I still have a bunhc of broken stuff.

05:16 <yoyo[RKN]> you mean me?

05:16 <mweltin> sometimes the forum pages still report a missing object, and lots of ops pages report a bunhc of errors.

05:16 <yoyo[RKN]> my last update is month ago

05:17 <yoyo[RKN]> never touch a running boinc server ;)

05:17 <mweltin> ok

05:17 <mweltin> LOL

05:17 <mweltin> yeah tell me about it.

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05:17 <mweltin> sometimes I just cant resist.

05:17 <yoyo[RKN]> 2 teams are making a big race, so nothing will be changed in that time

05:18 <yoyo[RKN]> I have more than 800.000 credits on my server in 24h

05:23 <The_XMas_Turkey> link?

05:23 <mweltin> ok off to bed.

05:23 <mweltin> alter

05:23 <The_XMas_Turkey> alter 2 you 2

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05:26 <The_XMas_Turkey> welcome nicolas

05:26 <The_XMas_Turkey> you should be asleep

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05:46 * ChristmasCoder feels altered

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07:01 <ChristmasCoder> windy

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07:31 <ChristianB> &weather Leipzig

07:31 <Romulus> ChristianB: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 1:20 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Clear. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:26 F. / -3 C.;

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07:59 <quail> now this looks like alot of fun >>> http://www.ladyada.net/make/tvbgone/index.html

07:59 <Romulus> Title: TV-B-Gone Kit - DIY Universal Remote (at www.ladyada.net)

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08:15 <xcamel> 'lo

08:21 <ChristianB> Hi

08:21 <quail> hey Jay

08:27 <xcamel> 'lo Q

08:28 <ChristmasCoder> hello quail xcmael ChristianB

08:28 <quail> hey Don

08:28 <quail> how are we all?

08:28 <ChristmasCoder> oops xcamel

08:29 <ChristmasCoder> I can't speak for all - I'm trying to keep my hat from blowing off this morning

08:29 <quail> ChristmasCoder: thanks for your comment :-)

08:30 <ChristmasCoder> your blog seemed lonely

08:30 <quail> hehe ;-)

08:31 <xcamel> winds starting up here too...

08:36 <ChristmasCoder> the trees are rocking - it's a good thing they don't have leaves

08:38 <ChristmasCoder> rock and roll

08:39 <xcamel> your on the backside of the front now..

08:48 <ChristmasCoder> I was wondering why my seat was cold

08:51 <xcamel> heh

08:52 <xcamel> &weather 12074

08:52 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 34.4F / 1.3C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1021.9hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain likely this morning...then rain this afternoon. Patchy fog. Windy and not as cool with highs in the upper 40s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...increasing to 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 60 mph this afternoon. (2 more messages)

08:52 <xcamel> &more

08:52 <Romulus> xcamel: Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Tonight - Patchy fog in the evening. Rain in the evening...then a chance of rain or snow showers after midnight. Rain may be heavy at times in the evening. Little or no snow accumulation. Windy with lows in the upper 20s. South winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 65 mph...becoming west 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation near (1 more message)

08:52 <xcamel> &more

08:52 <Romulus> xcamel: 100 percent.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Cooler with highs in the upper 30s. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on December 24, 2007; High Wind Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 6:00 AM EST on December 24, 2007;

08:53 <xcamel> wowza

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09:00 <ChristmasCoder> wow 65mph

09:00 <xcamel> uh-huh

09:00 <xcamel> and a flood watch

09:00 <ChristmasCoder> and fire and brimstone

09:00 <ChristmasCoder> and cats and dogs

09:00 <xcamel> 2 houuses burned to the ground overnight

09:01 <ChristmasCoder> oh wow - heaters?

09:01 <xcamel> unknown yet..

09:01 <xcamel> fueled by the winds

09:01 <ChristmasCoder> may have been the fire and brimstone

09:01 <xcamel> or something

09:02 * ChristmasCoder listens to the woods moan under the wind load

09:03 <xcamel> women went back to get her cat - didn't make it back out..

09:03 <xcamel> never a good move

09:03 <ChristmasCoder> that's terrible

09:03 <xcamel> sad, really

09:03 <ChristmasCoder> yup

09:05 <xcamel> my sinuses are telling me all I need to know about this storm....

09:05 <xcamel> up to 40F out

09:06 <xcamel> barometer dropping like a rock

09:06 <ChristmasCoder> I'm at 49F locally, official is 44F

09:07 <wdsmia> mornin all

09:07 <ChristmasCoder> hello Doug

09:07 <ChristmasCoder> we're listening to the wind this morning

09:07 <quail> hi Doug

09:07 <ChristmasCoder> and xcamel is also listening to his sinuses

09:08 <quail> ChristmasCoder: that a great song

09:08 <ChristmasCoder> which song?

09:08 * wdsmia goes to listen to the coffee maker

09:08 <quail> the wind

09:08 <ChristmasCoder> ah

09:09 <ChristmasCoder> the ocean waves that never finish breaking

09:10 <quail> ChristmasCoder: you like what I have done with the Me TV site >>> http://me-tv.southernvaleslug.org/screenshots.html

09:10 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1KuE> (at me-tv.southernvaleslug.org)

09:11 <ChristmasCoder> added more screenshots since yesterday

09:12 <quail> yep there screenshots of the current stable release

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09:13 <ChristmasCoder> might be helpful to add some comments as to what you're trying to show in each one

09:13 <quail> but I am actually using unstable version 0.5.0

09:14 <quail> ChristmasCoder: put mouse over the pic and it tells you

09:26 <ChristmasCoder> I don't normally "hover" that long - missed them

09:27 <ChristmasCoder> hence caused my question

09:28 <quail> np I will add some notage

09:29 <ChristmasCoder> bbiab

09:46 <BadBarbarian> Morning CC

09:50 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

09:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 11F / -12C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Bitterly cold. Breezy. Patchy blowing snow through the day. Scattered flurries in the afternoon. High 15 to 20. West wind 20 to 25 mph with gusts to around 35 mph. Wind chill readings 5 to 10 below.; Tonight - Partly cloudy (1 more message)

09:50 <wdsmia> &more

09:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Low around 15. West wind 15 to 20 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. High in the mid 20s. West wind 5 to 15 mph.;

09:51 <ChristmasCoder> morning BadBarbarian

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09:58 <quail> what have you got planed for the day ChristmasCoder ?

09:59 * ChristmasCoder listens to "Firelight" by David Anthony

10:00 <ChristmasCoder> I am w@#%ing on finishing an incentive bonus goal

10:00 * wdsmia listens to alvin and the chipmunks

10:01 <quail> ALVIN!

10:01 <ChristmasCoder> oo-ee-oo-ah-ah

10:01 <quail> it was a good cartoon too, I used to watch it when I was a child

10:02 <ChristmasCoder> I bought the David Anthony CD in the Mt. Rushmore gift shop

10:02 <ChristmasCoder> I was drawn all the way across the store, wanting to know what that music was

10:02 <xcamel> ho-ho-ho turns into he-he-he, ha-ha-ha (funny farm)

10:05 <ChristmasCoder> I'm a sucker for good, new age solo piano

10:07 <quail> &weather ypad

10:07 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 61°F / 16°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 1:00 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:51 F. / 11 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Clear. Low:51 F. / 11 C.; Clear. High:71 F. / 22 C.; Clear. Low:57 F. / 14 C.;

10:07 <ChristmasCoder> http://www.davidanthonypiano.com/bhtonight.htm

10:07 <Romulus> Title: Black Hills Tonight CD Page (at www.davidanthonypiano.com)

10:07 <ChristmasCoder> Firelight was the one that made the sale

10:08 <ChristmasCoder> I incidentally hate RealAudio

10:10 <quail> ChristmasCoder: nice

10:10 <ChristmasCoder> yes, quite

10:10 <ChristmasCoder> one of my retirement goals is to finally learn to play piano

10:12 <quail> :-)

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10:56 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

10:56 <Tank_Master> &more

10:56 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

10:56 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 46.2F / 7.9C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1020.9hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain likely in the morning...then rain in the afternoon. Highs around 50. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Rain in the evening...then showers after midnight. Lows 35 to 40. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. (1 more message)

10:56 <Tank_Master> &more

10:56 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Showers likely in the morning...then a chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs around 40. West wind 5 to 15 mph.;

10:57 <Tank_Master> &weather seattle, WA

10:57 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 39F / 4C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Today - Rain developing. Highs in the 40s. South wind 15 to 25 mph.; Tonight - Showers in the evening...then mostly cloudy with scattered showers. Lows 35 to 40. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.; Monday - Becoming partly sunny. A chance of showers. Highs in (1 more message)

10:57 <Tank_Master> &more

10:57 <Romulus> Tank_Master: the 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;

11:01 <andresgr_> Guys, do you know what does the "Run Time" statistic of world comunity grid means exactly?

11:03 <andresgr_> i mean

11:04 <andresgr_> for example, the Help Defeat the Cancer project (already finished) has a Total Run Time of 2.909 years

11:05 <andresgr_> i guess it means that it would take 2,909 years to execute it in a single computer

11:05 <andresgr_> but i wonder, what computer?

11:06 <andresgr_> a pentiun II with 256MB of RAM or a IBM blue gene

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11:32 <Tank_Master> andresgr: its just a measure of the COU time

11:33 <Tank_Master> a P2 running for 4h will log 4h, and a core2 running for 4h will log 4h

11:33 <Tank_Master> CPU*

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11:58 <wdsmia> Darn its cold out there

12:39 <ChristianB> Hi there is anyone present?

12:47 <PriitM> no :<

12:51 <yoyo[RKN]> <----

12:53 <xcamel> ahhh... back from chores..

12:54 <BadBarbarian> Mornin Jay hows the weather.

12:55 <xcamel> getting really windy now..

12:55 <xcamel> ...checking radar

12:56 <BadBarbarian> clear and cold here same as always

12:56 <BadBarbarian> not a cloud to be seen

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12:59 <xcamel> this front coming in looks pretty wild...

13:00 <andresgr_> Tank_Master, ok thanks

13:00 <xcamel> &weather 12074

13:01 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 37.3F / 2.9C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Rain. Patchy fog. Windy and not as cool with highs in the upper 40s. Southeast winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 35 mph...increasing to 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 60 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Tonight - Patchy (2 more messages)

13:01 <xcamel> &more

13:01 <Romulus> xcamel: fog in the evening. Rain in the evening...then a chance of rain or snow showers after midnight. Rain may be heavy at times in the evening. Little or no snow accumulation. Windy with lows in the upper 20s. South winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 65 mph...becoming west 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Cooler with (1 more message)

13:01 <xcamel> &more

13:01 <Romulus> xcamel: highs in the upper 30s. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on December 24, 2007; High Wind Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 6:00 AM EST on December 24, 2007;

13:01 <xcamel> hasn't changed much..

13:06 <PriitM> &weather tallinn

13:06 <Romulus> PriitM: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM EET; Overcast. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Overcast. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Rain. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Overcast. Low:37 F. / 3 C.;

13:07 <PriitM> waarmm :>

13:09 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

13:09 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM ART; Scattered Clouds. High:73 F. / 23 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Clear. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Clear. Low:69 F. / 21 C.;

13:11 <xcamel> ...keep rubbing it in....

13:12 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

13:12 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 16F / -9C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 24mph / 39km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Bitterly cold. Breezy. Patchy blowing snow through the day. Scattered flurries in the afternoon. High 15 to 20. West wind 20 to 25 mph with gusts to around 35 mph. Wind chill readings 5 to 10 below.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in (1 more message)

13:12 <wdsmia> &more

13:12 <Romulus> wdsmia: the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Low around 15. West wind 15 to 20 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. High in the mid 20s. West wind 5 to 15 mph.;

13:14 <wdsmia> want to trade xcamel?

13:14 <xcamel> it's already coming...

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13:29 <xcamel> bet it's nicer in kalifornia...

13:43 <wdsmia> snow plow just closed in the end of my driveway again :-(

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14:30 * LumpyLarry bets both xcamel and wdsmia would like his weather

14:30 <LumpyLarry> &weather 98366

14:30 <Romulus> LumpyLarry: Temperature: 39F / 4C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Rain developing. Highs in the 40s. South wind 15 to 25 mph.; Tonight - Showers in the evening...then mostly cloudy with scattered showers. Lows 35 to 40. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.; Monday - Becoming partly sunny. A chance of showers. Highs in (1 more message)

14:30 <LumpyLarry> &more

14:30 <Romulus> LumpyLarry: the 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;

14:31 <LumpyLarry> oh i'm dreaming of a soaking xmas

14:31 <LumpyLarry> just like the bogs they have at home

14:32 <LumpyLarry> where the crocs do glisten and mocosines listen

14:33 <LumpyLarry> for thier next raindeer meal

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14:55 <xcamel> didn't think the front could cet much stronger... think again...

14:56 <xcamel> 44F out

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15:36 <nshm> sorry for little question :)

15:36 <nshm> if I shutdown my linux host say after 3 hours

15:37 <nshm> how can I configure boinc so it will save intermediate results?

15:37 <PovAddict> what project are you running?

15:37 <nshm> rosetta

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15:37 <PovAddict> should be saving already

15:37 <PovAddict> the default is *every minute*

15:37 <nshm> I've already lost day work :(

15:38 <TheJollyRedGiant> hola boincers

15:38 <nshm> hm, why then status shows it restarting task?

15:38 <nshm> estimated CPU time remaining: 29113.869923

15:38 <nshm> everytime I restart client

15:38 <PovAddict> did the % go back to 0?

15:38 <nshm> fraction done: 0.008456

15:38 <nshm> :(

15:39 <PovAddict> are you using boinccmd?

15:39 <nshm> yes

15:39 <nshm> for status of course

15:39 <PovAddict> do you see any mention of 'checkpoint'?

15:39 <nshm> checkpoint CPU time: 0.000000

15:39 <PovAddict> hmm

15:39 <nshm> it's always 0

15:39 <nshm> probably I configured something wrong

15:39 <nshm> let me check again

15:41 <PovAddict> hmm seems Rosetta doesn't checkpoint very frequently

15:41 <LumpyLarry> hola paul

15:41 <LumpyLarry> and all

15:41 <TheJollyRedGiant> heya Larrry :)

15:42 <LumpyLarry> getting ready for early friday here - just dosed up to try and keep things civil while away

15:42 * LumpyLarry hates head colds

15:42 <TheJollyRedGiant> bugger..me too

15:43 <LumpyLarry> spent yesterday home trying to get it calmed down - seems to have worked

15:43 <LumpyLarry> arrggg no not the soap again

15:43 <LumpyLarry> ;)

15:43 <TheJollyRedGiant> so you rested yesterday then?

15:43 <LumpyLarry> yeah - bet they didn't like it that i called in ;/

15:44 <LumpyLarry> but better than spreading to all for season

15:44 <TheJollyRedGiant> if you gotta, then you gotta

15:44 <PovAddict> nshm: how fast is your computer?

15:44 <nshm> 2200 atlon

15:44 <PovAddict> hmm yeah...

15:45 <nshm> task was almost completed in 6 hours

15:45 <nshm> but then I rebooted and lost everything

15:45 <TheJollyRedGiant> I'm looking for a 2nd project that gives as good credit as an optimised seti app...any takers?

15:45 <PovAddict> have you changed your workunit length settings?

15:45 <nshm> from 0.25 days?

15:45 <PovAddict> no, not that setting

15:46 <PovAddict> rosetta lets you change how long the workunits are

15:46 <PovAddict> it may not help to change it...

15:46 <LumpyLarry> sudoko seems good TheJollyRedGiant but units run 20 hrs

15:46 <nshm> let me look

15:46 <nshm> Should I just move to another project :) ?

15:47 <TheJollyRedGiant> i looked at your 3.2Ghz P4, but it's not as good as mine on seti

15:47 <PovAddict> nshm: maybe...

15:47 <PovAddict> your options seem to be: keep your computer running 24/7, get a faster computer, or move to a project with more frequent checkpoints

15:48 <LumpyLarry> which on paul - this one? http://dist2.ist.tugraz.at/sudoku/show_host_detail.php?hostid=1760

15:48 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1KxT> (at dist2.ist.tugraz.at)

15:48 <TheJollyRedGiant> malariacontrol.net is pretty robust under adverse computer reboots etc

15:49 <PovAddict> TheJollyRedGiant: what you need is any open-source project with fixed credits :)

15:49 <TheJollyRedGiant> LumpyLarry: yeah

15:49 <LumpyLarry> mines no longer oc'ed

15:49 <nshm> PovAddict: thanks, can you advise one?

15:49 <TheJollyRedGiant> Nic: that I do!

15:49 <nshm> project I mean, not faster computer :)

15:50 <LumpyLarry> burp has had steady wu's it seems for last few days anyway

15:50 <LumpyLarry> got 1200 credits over 2.5 days

15:50 <TheJollyRedGiant> LumpyLarry: I get over 1000 rac on optimsed seti with a 12% oc

15:50 <PovAddict> nshm: well, there are a lot that are *capable* of checkpointing very frequently (many times a second) so they follow your settings exactly (default is every minute)

15:51 <PovAddict> of course they don't really do it many times a second, that would fry your disk, and they would spend more time saving state than doing useful work :)

15:51 <TheJollyRedGiant> nshm: malariacontrol.net is robust

15:51 <LumpyLarry> http://dist2.ist.tugraz.at/sudoku/results.php?hostid=1760

15:51 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1KxV> (at dist2.ist.tugraz.at)

15:51 <LumpyLarry> humm that explains why i'm slipping so fast

15:52 <LumpyLarry> well time for commute

15:52 <LumpyLarry> &bye all

15:52 <Romulus> later ace

15:52 <TheJollyRedGiant> LumpyLarry: on average that'll give you a RAC of 500

15:52 <TheJollyRedGiant> have a good day Larry

15:52 <TheJollyRedGiant> and Merry Christmas

15:52 <nshm> Ok, thanks a lot once again, I'll try another one

15:53 <LumpyLarry> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=67ee388bb16322bf096b018c7850da7a

15:53 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1KxW> (at boincstats.com)

15:54 <TheJollyRedGiant> LumpyLarry: you got a new computer!

15:54 <LumpyLarry> oh which one

15:55 <LumpyLarry> still only 9 but one is dual boot

15:55 <TheJollyRedGiant> don't know but on 26 Nov your rac improved significantly

15:55 <TheJollyRedGiant> oh

15:55 <LumpyLarry> ahh thats when i started to finish off all the cpdn units and started to bring other projects back online

15:56 <TheJollyRedGiant> ahh...LOL

15:56 <TheJollyRedGiant> a BIG improvement

15:56 <PovAddict> cpdn bad on credits?

15:56 <TheJollyRedGiant> i thought cpdn was pretty good

15:56 <LumpyLarry> yah - the stuff that starts to build in pending come in

15:57 <LumpyLarry> fair to midline but takes so long between trickles

15:58 <LumpyLarry> well off with me before someone with hooks show up to drag me away

15:58 <LumpyLarry> &cya all

15:58 <Romulus> LumpyLarry: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

15:58 <LumpyLarry> &bye

15:58 <Romulus> later ace

15:59 <TheJollyRedGiant> Merry Christmas LumpyLarry

16:00 <quail> morning all

16:02 <TheJollyRedGiant> i'm confused...ralf or ralph?

16:02 <TheJollyRedGiant> d'oh

16:02 <TheJollyRedGiant> heya Dale

16:09 <TheJollyRedGiant> bbiab..have to wrap wifes xmas presents while she is not looking

16:09 <PovAddict> :)

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16:12 <ChristmasCoder> oh by gosh by golly, the Bengals won a football game

16:13 <ChristmasCoder> and I was able to finish my incentive bonus goal while watching it

16:16 <quail> ChristmasCoder: sounds like you need Me TV

16:16 <quail> code and watch TV at sametime

16:18 <ChristmasCoder> I have me 3 TVs

16:18 <ChristmasCoder> besides, I need a TV that speaks some other dialect than strine

16:19 <quail> hehe ;-)

16:20 <quail> hey Paul, how are things?

16:22 <quail> ChristmasCoder: how has your day been so far?

16:23 <ChristmasCoder> since you ask - all in all pretty depressing - having the local football team win was helpful

16:25 * ChristmasCoder inspects the latest corporate performance reports to gauge impact on his bonus

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16:26 <quail> sorry to hear your local football team won

16:26 <PovAddict> o_o

16:26 <PovAddict> lol

16:27 <ChristmasCoder> um, that's not helpful

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16:28 <quail> hope you get a good bonus tho

16:29 <ChristmasCoder> I'd trade the bonus for my sister getting well

16:30 <PovAddict> not surprising

16:30 <quail> she gotten worse again?

16:30 <ChristmasCoder> she's coming along, but it's going to be a long and very very hard road

16:31 <ChristmasCoder> she's fighting the treatment plan

16:31 <quail> hope she gets better

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16:31 <ChristmasCoder> we had to remind her of the result of following *her* plan the last time

16:31 <ChristmasCoder> she came within a day or two of dying

16:32 <ChristmasCoder> she wants to leave the hospital - we had to remind her that she didn't know any of us just a couple days before

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16:33 <ChristmasCoder> oh well - onto less depressing topics

16:34 <PovAddict> so not the weather either

16:34 * PovAddict ice cream -->

16:34 <quail> looks very foggy and gloomy at Jay's place

16:35 <quail> &weather ypad

16:35 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 61°F / 16°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 7:30 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:51 F. / 11 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Clear. Low:51 F. / 11 C.; Clear. High:71 F. / 22 C.; Clear. Low:57 F. / 14 C.;

16:36 <ChristmasCoder> ice cream is a good topic

16:38 * wdsmia could do without the "ice" cream

16:38 * quail does not eat ice cream

16:39 <quail> hey Doug, how are things?

16:39 <wdsmia> things are cold!

16:41 <ChristmasCoder> ok ok - bad topic

16:41 <quail> it cool here too

16:41 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

16:41 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 19F / -7C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 25mph / 41km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of snow. Areas of blowing snow. Breezy. High 15 to 20. Temperature steady or slowly falling through late afternoon. West wind 20 to 25 mph with gusts to around 35 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in (1 more message)

16:42 <ChristmasCoder> a better topic - dinner

16:42 <ChristmasCoder> bbl

16:42 <wdsmia> hey its warmed up

16:42 <quail> Doug well it not that cold here yet

16:43 <quail> ChristmasCoder: have a good suppa

16:53 <xcamel> here comes the nasties..

16:59 <wdsmia> looks like its moving fast so you shouldnt be in it to long

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17:48 -wdsmia- wdsmia prepares Room for a Boinc shaking Announcement

17:49 <PovAddict> you reached 7 million

17:49 <PovAddict> ?

17:50 * wdsmia says goodbye to The Final Front EarSo long and thanks for all the fish.

17:50 <PovAddict> :o

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18:16 <zombie67> superlink has work!

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18:52 * quail is back

18:53 * quail bought himself a bottle of Ballantines scotch whiskey for the humbug break

19:08 <quail> quote of the day "santa has the right idea, visit people once a year"

19:08 * wdsmia has a 1.75 litter bottle of Baileys

19:09 <wdsmia> Bah Humbug day tradition

19:13 * wdsmia goes back to his movie

19:36 <efc> don't leave me alone with the eggnog

19:39 <wdsmia> your on your own with eggnog

19:45 * quail hands efc a straw :-P

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20:14 <Bad_At_Home> evening all

20:14 <efc> moo

20:15 <Bad_At_Home> 'efc

20:15 <Bad_At_Home> lo efc

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20:42 <mweltin> what does lexicographic mean?

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21:04 <PovAddict> &echo mweltin: [jfgi lexicographic]

21:04 <Romulus> mweltin: http://ln-s.net/1L01

21:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

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21:24 <efc> &weather 30625

21:24 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 41F / 5C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Colder. Lows in the upper 20s. Light and variable winds.; Monday - Sunny. Highs around 60. Northwest winds up to 10 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. Light northwest winds.;

21:25 <mweltin> efc can you join #tsp for a sec?

21:25 <efc> Ok

21:28 <wdsmia> dont do it ... run save yourself

21:29 <MTughan> Too late.

21:29 <MTughan> >:D

21:30 <mweltin> wdsmia we can talk about lexigraphic order here if you want but I figured that would put this room asleep. :)

21:34 <wdsmia> the room is asleep but thanks for not filling the log files :-)

21:35 <mweltin> always happy to do the least I can do.

21:36 <wdsmia> now thats a bofh answer your learning :)

21:36 <mweltin> I'd ask your username but I can see it here.

21:37 <wdsmia> lol

21:38 * wdsmia looks to see if his account is still there

21:39 <mweltin> my favorite is when the grad student asks for more space for his thesis, and how he redirects tar'ed backups to /dev/null

21:40 <MTughan> lol

21:47 <wdsmia> my favorite has to be Taking the fight to the beancounters

21:48 <wdsmia> used to send it to my boss whenever we had to do inventory

21:48 <mweltin> classic

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22:23 <zombie67> pov, you around?

22:23 <PovAddict> yeah

22:24 <zombie67> where are the instructions for turning on RAC decay, again?

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22:26 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectTasks

22:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1L11> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

22:26 <PovAddict> update_state

22:26 <PovAddict> update_stats*

22:26 <zombie67> thanks!  why isn't this turned on by default?

22:26 <PovAddict> it is

22:26 <zombie67> seems every new project has to be asked to fix

22:26 <PovAddict> hmm or should be

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23:42 <PovAddict> &alias list

23:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

23:42 <PovAddict> &list alias

23:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: #boinc, 8b, 8ball, add, answer, beer, bighello, bye, cad, coffee, ding, donkeyscoffee, g2g, hello, here, jfgi, liberalcoffee, lock, lol, math, mornin, nn, pizza, quiet, remove, sleep, social, syn, thanks, unlock, wrong, xkcd, and yum

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