IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2007-12-29

00:09 <Soul_keeper> anyone else experienced 10x performance increases in FPU/math.h intensive tasks on athlon systems when comparing to faster intel systems ?

00:10 <efc> you might get that if you have a lot of shifts or rotates

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00:13 <MTughan> Hehe...

00:13 <MTughan> &cad

00:13 <Romulus>

00:17 <Soul_keeper> efc,  what do you mean by shifts/rotates ?

00:28 <efc> the shift and rotate instructions

00:28 <efc> << and >> in C

00:30 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

00:31 <Soul_keeper> well i'm using pretty much all the functions in math.h  so i'm sure it's in there ...

00:53 <Soul_keeper> hey

00:53 <Soul_keeper> the athlon xp palomino core is stepping 2 right ?

00:53 <MTughan> Duuuude... I can combine Obj-C and C++...

00:55 <efc> holy #@#@*(#(@, so I click on the account agreements page, and its 86 pages long

00:56 <MTughan> Oh, I got my Mac to boot up to do this... Now where's that link yoyo posted...

01:04 <MTughan> Well, he'll be disappointed. It doesn't work.

01:07 <MTughan> Now it gets interesting... I have some WUs dues soon, but it'll be hard to finish them if my computer keeps kernel panicking...

01:07 <MTughan> It's working for now at least, as long as I don't bump it at all, shouldn't panic.

01:11 <MTughan> Oh wow... Already been up half an hour... Time sure flies.

01:13 <efc> yep

01:14 <efc> As usual I fill out the long boring application and hit submit and it doesn't work

01:14 <MTughan> lol

01:22 <MTughan> Whoa, WTF? My system says it doesn't have Bluetooth anymore, but I'm using a Bluetooth mouse as we speak...

01:29 <quail> MTughan: what are you running there?

01:30 <MTughan> On what?

01:30 <MTughan> Fedora 7 on PC, OS X Leopard on Mac. Mac is the one with Bluetooth.

01:30 <quail> the computer you been talking about

01:49 <MTughan> Okay, I'm off to bed... Nearly 2AM, and I'll probably read for a bit. Night all!

01:53 <quail> kylie minogue got an obe from the queen for her contribution to music

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04:13 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

04:13 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 16F / -8.9C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow showers after midnight. No snow accumulation. Lows 9 to 17. Light winds.; Saturday - Not as cold. Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow showers in the morning...partly cloudy in the afternoon. No (1 more message)

04:13 <Bad_At_Home> &more

04:13 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: snow accumulation. Highs around 37. Light winds.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 13 to 21. West winds around 15 mph.;

04:13 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86023

04:13 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 18F / -8C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of snow showers after midnight. No snow accumulation. Lows around 11 on the North Rim to around 32 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Saturday - Not as cold. Mostly cloudy with a 10 percent chance of (1 more message)

04:14 <Bad_At_Home> &more

04:14 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: snow showers in the morning...partly cloudy in the afternoon. No snow accumulation. Highs around 31 on the North Rim to around 50 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 12 on the North Rim to around 33 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

04:17 <Tank_Master> @weather 97007

04:17 <Tank_Master> @more

04:18 <Tank_Master> &weather

04:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.

04:18 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

04:18 <Tank_Master> &more

04:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 42.9F / 6.1C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers likely. Rain late. Lows around 40. South wind 5 to 15 mph...becoming southeast late.; Saturday - Rain. Highs in the mid 40s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph...becoming south 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon with gusts to 35 mph.; (1 more message)

04:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Saturday Night - Rain in the evening...then showers after midnight. Snow level 1000 feet after midnight. Little if any accumulation. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 35 mph.;

04:35 <CoderForANewYear> &weather 45140

04:36 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Temperature: 39.3F / 4.1C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017.5hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds around 5 mph... (1 more message)

04:36 <CoderForANewYear> &more

04:36 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: becoming east after midnight.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. East winds around 5 mph.;

04:38 <FreeLarry_> &weather 98366

04:39 <Romulus> FreeLarry_: Error: timed out

04:39 <Tank_Master> LOL

04:39 <Bad_At_Home> Morning larry & coder

04:39 <Bad_At_Home> hi tank

04:39 <Tank_Master> &weather 98366

04:39 <FreeLarry_> morn Tank_Master CoderForANewYearrommie doesn't likie me

04:39 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: timed out

04:39 <Tank_Master> &weather your, mom

04:39 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 98366

04:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at < acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

04:40 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 28F / -2C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows in the 30s. Southwest wind around 10 mph.; Saturday - Cloudy with rain developing in the afternoon. Highs near 40. South wind to 10 mph in the morning becoming light.; Saturday Night - Rain in (1 more message)

04:40 <Bad_At_Home> & more

04:40 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers after midnight. Breezy. Lows in the 30s. South wind to 10 mph increasing to southwest 15 to 25 mph after midnight.;

04:40 <Bad_At_Home> there yougo

04:41 <FreeLarry_> thank you Bad_At_Home

04:41 <Bad_At_Home> rommies mad at you larry lol

04:41 <Tank_Master> :P

04:41 <FreeLarry_> always it seems like - maybe f i stopped using pennies to feed and upgrade to nickles?

04:42 <FreeLarry_> thought i was hitting a few black ice spots on way home

04:42 <Bad_At_Home> hows that little system running

04:42 <Bad_At_Home> with windows 3.1 lol

04:43 <FreeLarry_> oh not so well currently - i placed drives into this machine - still have to test them out - noticed this bios only lets me use one or the other not both

04:44 <FreeLarry_> getting ready to try a cut down version of linux on the compaq instead of win 3.1

04:44 <Bad_At_Home> cool

04:44 <FreeLarry_> might make it a little easier to use

04:45 * FreeLarry_ shouldn't have thrown my old dos books away

04:45 <Tank_Master> hehe

04:45 <FreeLarry_> ohh wait i'm married - blame the wife instead

04:46 <Tank_Master> :

04:46 <Tank_Master> p

04:46 * FreeLarry_ wonders how long before e-30 discovers that little secret

04:46 * Tank_Master thinks it may be a bit yet

04:46 <FreeLarry_> lol

04:46 <FreeLarry_> still in the dog at it stage

04:47 <FreeLarry_> ate

04:50 <FreeLarry_> well this ol forgetful fuddy duddy heading of to bed - only weds in am so have great time all

04:50 <FreeLarry_> &nn all

04:50 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

04:50 <Tank_Master> tc

04:52 <CoderForANewYear> morning folks

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04:54 <CoderForANewYear> morning FreeLarry_

04:54 <CoderForANewYear> morning TankMaster

04:54 <FreeLarry_> morn - trying to figure out where away is in xchat

04:54 <CoderForANewYear> morning Bad_At_Home

04:55 <CoderForANewYear> dunno - I use Miranduh in Winduhs

04:58 <FreeLarry_> doesn't appear to have that function

04:58 <FreeLarry_> anyway

04:58 <FreeLarry_> &nn all

04:58 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

04:58 <Bad_At_Home> &nn all

04:58 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

04:58 <Tank_Master> gn bb

05:08 <CoderForANewYear> brb   breakfast

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05:23 <Tank_Master> im off to bed to

05:23 <Tank_Master> gn

05:25 <CoderForANewYear> cya Tank_Master

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05:33 <Bad_At_Home> wow i managed to oc this old p4 2.66 to 3.1 and its stable lol

05:37 <CoderForANewYear> cool - er, hot  =)

05:38 <Bad_At_Home> lol

05:38 <Bad_At_Home> old 478 pin p4

05:38 <Bad_At_Home> with very good fan

05:41 <CoderForANewYear> winter is the overclocker's friend

05:41 <CoderForANewYear> bbiab

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06:42 <CoderForANewYear> off to the grocery store - bbl

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07:18 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

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07:28 <PriitM> oh cool - 1200mhz celeron m running on 92C idle

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08:01 <xcamel> 'mornin

08:03 <PriitM>

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08:12 <PriitM> gosh, how people can ruin their computers

08:13 <PriitM> this laptop was last taken to me like 2 months ago and again it's full of viruses and adware

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08:32 <xcamel>

08:32 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2007 December 29 - Saturn s Infrared Glow (at

08:33 <desti>

08:33 <Romulus> <> (at

08:36 <wdsmia> mornin all

08:36 <PriitM> this laptop was last taken to me like 2 months ago and again it's full of viruses and adware

08:36 <PriitM>

08:36 <PriitM> wrong history :<

08:37 <PriitM> the link is correct.

08:38 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

08:38 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 16F / -9C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Areas of fog in the morning. High in the upper 20s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Low 15 to 20. South wind around 5 mph.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. High in the lower 30s. South wind 5 to 15 mph.;

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08:52 <xcamel> hmmm... got chilly

08:52 <ChristianB> back :)

08:52 <xcamel> still 38F here

08:53 <xcamel> and the sun came out...

08:58 <xcamel> 'lo Chris

09:16 <CoderForANewYear> touch and go - back from the store and back out to another to get the things the first one didn't have

09:16 <CoderForANewYear> bbl

09:17 <xcamel> lol

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09:52 <xcamel> bbiab

09:52 <Bad_At_Home> morning jay

09:58 <xcamel> 'lo BB

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10:18 <CoderForANewYear> back again

10:18 <wdsmia> wb

10:19 <CoderForANewYear> second time / second store was the charm

10:19 <CoderForANewYear> hello Doug

10:21 <CoderForANewYear> &weather 45140

10:21 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Temperature: 37.3F / 2.9C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020.5hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds around 5 mph... (1 more message)

10:21 <CoderForANewYear> &more

10:21 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: becoming east after midnight.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. East winds around 5 mph.;

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10:47 <wraund> erm hi, i got the linux version and unpacked it, but it no longer has the run_manager file, how do i launch it

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10:53 <desti> ./boincmgr

10:53 <wraund> ok..

10:54 <wraund> dont have it in there :S

10:54 <desti> if you don't have a boncmgr you may have installed a boinc version without gui

10:55 <wraund> hmm

10:55 <wraund> kk

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11:13 <xcamel> wraund: download the ubuntu version - it has the graphics, and will run on most if not all distros..

11:13 <xcamel> bbl..

11:15 <wraund> wtf

11:15 <wraund> it wasnt like that before

11:15 <wraund> it had run_manager in it

11:17 <PovAddict> "before" (as in, years before) there wasn't even a manager

11:17 <PovAddict> so? :)

11:18 <PovAddict>

11:18 <Romulus> <> (at

11:37 <PriitM> ahh yes, I got 500mhz celeron 128mb ram 8gb hdd box for testing

11:37 <PriitM> 20$

11:40 <PriitM> should run debian stable command line just fine i belive

12:21 <PovAddict> $20??

12:23 <PriitM> with transportation to my door

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12:54 <wraund> ok the previous linux BOINC version had run_manager, and the new one doesnt, whats goin on?

12:56 <xcamel> download the ubuntu version

12:57 <xcamel> from

12:57 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at

12:57 <MTughan_> Well, my Mac didn't kernel panic last night, so not moving it AT ALL seems to allow it to work...

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12:58 <xcamel> this damned laptop still overheats and shuts down

12:58 <MTughan> My PC used to do that... My dad and I checked the thermal paste on the CPU. That fixed it.

12:59 <xcamel> taking it apart might be the issue..

12:59 <MTughan> yoyo's around...

12:59 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Got my Mac working last night, and tried the program. Didn't work.

12:59 <yoyo[RKN]> what does the prog said?

13:00 <MTughan> Terminal said it could not run the binary program.

13:00 <yoyo[RKN]> ok, thx for the test

13:01 <MTughan> "cannot execute binary file"

13:02 <MTughan> file returns that it's a "header for PowerPC PEF executable".

13:03 <yoyo[RKN]> so it should run?

13:03 <MTughan> Dunno if this would make a difference... But I downloaded it from my Linux machine and then used a Windows file share to transfer it over.

13:03 <MTughan> Well, it's not running. Should there be an extension on it?

13:04 <yoyo[RKN]> i got it as it is

13:05 <yoyo[RKN]> here is now also the zip which I got

13:05 <Romulus> <> (at

13:07 <MTughan> And that works.

13:08 <yoyo[RKN]> h

13:08 <yoyo[RKN]> ?

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13:08 <yoyo[RKN]> I only unziped it

13:08 <MTughan> I have no idea...

13:08 <yoyo[RKN]> did you unzip it?

13:09 <CoderForANewYear> anyone else experiencing slow web site load times?

13:09 <MTughan> Heh, I have no idea why my group is "staff" either...

13:09 <CoderForANewYear> Google seems fine

13:09 <MTughan> Yeah, I just unzipped it.

13:09 <CoderForANewYear> My connection speedtests fine

13:10 <yoyo[RKN]> can you send the unziped file to me, MTughan?

13:11 <MTughan> There was one thing different...

13:11 <BiteAbleKat> everyone is spending their gift cards and xmas cash on the interwebs

13:11 <MTughan> The version I got was set to 0777. Unzipped was 0644.

13:12 <CoderForANewYear> I guess that's the problem, BiteAbleKat =)

13:12 <MTughan> Changing the version I originally got to 0644 doesn't work though. Changes the icon though...

13:15 <yoyo[RKN]> does it work because of this __macos subdirectory in the zip ???

13:15 <MTughan>

13:15 <Romulus> <> (at

13:15 <MTughan> It's possible, but I doubt it.

13:17 <MTughan> Anyway, that's the tarred and bzipped version. Tar should keep the permissions alive.

13:17 <MTughan> You might have to chown though.

13:18 <MTughan> Actually, there's one more variable...

13:19 <MTughan> Naw, downloading it right on the Mac doesn't work. Associates it with QT.

13:20 <yoyo[RKN]> I extracted it here It has exact the same sice

13:20 <Romulus> <> (at

13:20 <MTughan> So it's something with the zip that makes it work... Does the tar.bz2 work?

13:21 <yoyo[RKN]> I extracted the tar.bz2 here

13:21 <Romulus> Title: Index of /yoyo/download/download/mac6g/1 (at

13:21 <MTughan> Yeah, I see that. Do you not have a Mac?

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13:21 <MTughan> 1/

13:21 <yoyo[RKN]> no

13:22 <MTughan> Wrong keyboard...

13:22 <markuss> I can't get seti/boinc to work, anybody know what might cause these msgs?

13:22 <markuss> 12/29/2007 1:08:02 PM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_5.27_windows_intelx86.exe

13:22 <markuss> 12/29/2007 1:08:25 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site

13:22 <markuss> 12/29/2007 1:08:25 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of setiathome_5.27_windows_intelx86.exe: system connect

13:22 <markuss> 12/29/2007 1:08:25 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 hr 56 min 49 sec on download of setiathome_5.27_windows_intelx86.exe

13:22 <markuss> 12/29/2007 1:08:26 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down.

13:22 <markuss> the seti site doesnt say anything is down, been getting those errors for 12 hours

13:22 <MTughan> Can you get to their site?

13:22 <markuss> yeah

13:22 <CoderForANewYear> looks like there's a router out in that dropping packets

13:23 <markuss> hm

13:23 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan : can you download this and check if it runs?

13:23 <Romulus> <> (at

13:23 <MTughan> I was just about to...

13:23 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

13:23 <MTughan> The tar or the executable?

13:23 <yoyo[RKN]> excutable

13:24 <xcamel> markuss: seti was down earlier..

13:24 <MTughan> Associates with QT again.

13:25 <PovAddic1> run it from console, ./thing

13:25 <PovAddic1> ...damn

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13:26 <MTughan> Permission denied.

13:26 <MTughan> Because the permissions are 0644.

13:26 <MTughan> Not executable.

13:26 <MTughan> With executable, says it cannot execute binary file.

13:26 <yoyo[RKN]> what is QT on mac?

13:26 <PovAddict> $ file S005...

13:27 <MTughan> QT = QuickTime.

13:27 <MTughan> PovAddict: Tried, returns "header for PowerPC PEF executable".

13:27 <MTughan> As does the working version.

13:27 <yoyo[RKN]> thougt quicktime is for movies

13:27 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Movies, audio... media files. ;)

13:28 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: it is, that's why it's stupid that it gets associated with that file

13:28 <MTughan> Yep.

13:28 <MTughan> I can change it to open with another app, but I can't change it to open as an app.

13:29 <PovAddict> hmm

13:29 <yoyo[RKN]> and if you create the directory, which was also in the zip: __MACOSX  ?

13:29 <PovAddict> maybe you have trouble with forks

13:30 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : I checked it already with 3 other people. All have the can not execute binary file problem

13:31 <MTughan> Where are you getting the application from?

13:32 <MTughan> Hehe... yoyo[RKN], got three WUs from you. :D

13:33 <MTughan> Looks like one just finished...

13:33 <yoyo[RKN]> the application is from the evolution@home author

13:33 <MTughan> Do you know how he's making it?

13:34 <yoyo[RKN]> not really

13:34 <MTughan> Do you know if it's Xcode or GCC? Or something else?

13:35 <yoyo[RKN]> he wrote it is an old compiler and he sent me the mac and win version

13:35 <MTughan> GCC 3.3?

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13:36 <yoyo[RKN]> maybe he used gcc and crosscompiled it for win. Don't know if this is possible with gcc.

13:38 <MTughan> Heh... A WCG WU due on Tues with 1:40m left is high priority, but another WCG WU due just an hour and a half later with 7:30m left is not...

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13:45 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan : is it running if you create the directory on the command line:

13:45 <yoyo[RKN]> mkdir  __macosx

13:48 <MTughan> One sec...

13:48 <MTughan> No, still associated with QT.

13:52 * yoyo[RKN] does not understand that stupid mac

13:52 <MTughan> Is there anything in that directory?

13:52 <yoyo[RKN]> no

13:52 <MTughan> Do ls -al

13:53 <MTughan> PovAddict: Figured out last night that I can combine Obj-C and C++. Guess what it's called?

13:53 <PovAddict> Obj-C++?

13:53 <MTughan> Hehe...

13:53 <PovAddict> Obj+C? :P

13:54 <MTughan> No, it is Obj-C++.

13:54 * PovAddict points at DVD-R and DVD+R

13:54 <MTughan> Turns out that it's not nearly as hard as it might seem...

13:54 <MTughan> lol

13:54 <MTughan>

13:54 <Romulus> <> (at

13:55 <MTughan> Simple Obj-C++ program.

13:55 <MTughan> So what I will probably do it build an Obj-C frontend to the GUI_RPC class.

13:56 <MTughan> For anyone who's confused, I'm considering building my own version of the BOINC Manager with OS X widgets, rather than wxWidgets.

13:56 <PovAddict> *splode*

13:57 <PovAddict> I know nothing about obj-c

13:57 <MTughan> NSString is similar to the std::string class. id is basically the same as Java's Object.

13:57 <PovAddict> [NSString stringWithUTF8String:greeting_text] and those dashes at the beginning of lines are enough for a splode

13:58 <BadBarbarian> Morning POV &MT

13:58 <MTughan> That calls a static method of NSString called string WithUTF8String and passes the C string greeting_text.

13:58 <MTughan> The dashes mean that that method is an instance method, and not a class method.

13:58 <MTughan> 'lo BB

13:59 <MTughan> When dealing with Obj-C standard classes, discard the NS. Stands for NeXTSTEP. Where OS X is based.

14:00 <MTughan> That example as is doesn't quite work, because of the variables colliding in Hello(const char*).

14:00 <MTughan> If you change the name of the argument and what the string's being set to, it works fine.

14:02 <MTughan> Don't worry, I just relearned or learned a lot of Obj-C over the past few days... Got a book on it for Christmas.

14:02 <MTughan> &monologue

14:02 <Romulus> MTughan: Your current monologue is at least 8 lines long.

14:02 <MTughan> Come on guys, I can't keep this up forever...

14:02 <PovAddict> I'm trying to document the gui rpc protocol... using docbook

14:03 <MTughan> The actual protocol? Or the class?

14:03 <PovAddict> I'm kind using any semantic markup it provides, even when extremely verbose

14:03 <PovAddict> <person><personname><firstname>Rom</firstname><surname>Walton</surname></personname></person>

14:04 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Did ls -al turn anything up?

14:04 <yoyo[RKN]> the directory is empty

14:05 <dererk> hey PovAddict

14:05 <MTughan> Okay...

14:05 <dererk> Hi people

14:05 <MTughan> 'lo dererk

14:08 <MTughan> PovAddict: Does gui_rpc_client.h have declarations for both gui_rpc_client.C and gui_rpc_client_ops.C?

14:08 <PovAddict> MTughan: look at this

14:08 <Romulus> <> (at

14:09 <PovAddict> nice way of marking sourcecode...

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14:45 <PovAddict>

14:45 <Romulus> <> (at

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14:49 <E-30> hey

14:50 <efc> moo E30

14:50 <E-30> moo back how are you doing

14:51 <efc> Ok, fairly nice outside

14:51 * CoderForANewYear drops in to wave to E-30

14:51 <CoderForANewYear> howdy Chris

14:51 <efc> &weather 30625

14:51 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 64F / 18C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 60s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Tonight - Chance of showers (1 more message)

14:52 <CoderForANewYear> &more efc

14:52 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: with a slight chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then showers likely with a slight chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Light and variable winds. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Sunday - Occasional showers in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

14:54 <E-30> hey cfl

14:55 <efc> hmm, now my credit card thinks they owe me $10k. 48 hours ago, I owed them $10k.

14:55 <MTughan> lol

14:55 <E-30> lol

14:56 <E-30> &weather 74447

14:56 <Romulus> E-30: Temperature: 43.9F / 6.6C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 29.23in / 989.7hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Light winds.; Sunday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. Light winds.;

14:56 <efc> actually I owe them about 60 bucks

14:56 <E-30> lol

14:58 <efc> I think I'll let them sort out this one.. tired of spending time on the phone with them

14:59 <PovAddict>

14:59 <Romulus> <> (at

15:00 <E-30> lol

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15:46 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do you know how I can link the methods of gui_rpc_client and gui_rpc_client_ops?

15:47 <MTughan> I've got header files.

15:47 <PovAddict> compiling both and linking to both .o's

15:47 <PovAddict> I'm not sure about other dependencies

15:47 <MTughan> Yeah... "__Z12boinc_socketRi

15:47 <MTughan> One of many.

15:47 <PovAddict> crapz0r

15:48 <MTughan> Do I have to link against all three .a's generated by the Makefile?

15:48 <PovAddict> no, that would be too much

15:48 <PovAddict> if you do it, it will work; but you'll be linking to more than you need

15:48 <MTughan> I can strip out dead code.

15:48 <PovAddict> I'm sure I have a full makefile that built an app using that class... on the other computer... the one not working

15:50 <MTughan> I can't seem to link against .a's anyway. No place for them in Xcode project settings.

15:54 <MTughan> Nuts... What folders are compiled with --disable-server --disable-client?

15:54 <PovAddict> api, lib...

15:54 <PovAddict> others...

15:54 <PovAddict> you probably need only stuff under lib

15:54 <MTughan> I can try that.

15:55 <MTughan> 552 errors...

15:55 <MTughan> Mostly missing header files, so that's not too bad.

15:56 <MTughan> And with Windows files. After those are gone, 7 errors.

15:57 <MTughan> msg_queue.C, msgget not declared in this scope.

15:57 <xcamel> codergasms again...

15:58 <MTughan> lol

16:00 <MTughan> PovAddict: What's procinfo_mac.C?

16:00 <MTughan> And procinfo_unix.C.

16:05 <MTughan> brb

16:07 <MTughan> Gah, now I'm getting multiple definition errors...

16:12 <MTughan> And I think I might know why...

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16:15 <MTughan> Nope.

16:15 <PovAddict> time to xperiment again

16:15 <PovAddict> since I don't have access to my old makefile

16:16 <MTughan> It seems like it's compiling each file twice...

16:16 <MTughan> And maybe it is... Gah!

16:16 <MTughan> I know why...

16:17 <MTughan> Yeah, that was most of them. Now there's a main method in both boinc_cmd and crypt_prog.

16:17 <PovAddict> don't compile either

16:18 <MTughan> Built.

16:18 <MTughan> Hehe... Had to remove .o's, .Po's, Windows files, some process info ones...

16:19 <MTughan> And then the huge number of redefinition errors was because I had included gui_rpc_client(_ops)? before, then included them again. :P

16:19 <MTughan> So it literally was compiling them twice.

16:20 <MTughan> What's config.h for?

16:20 <PovAddict> generated by configure script

16:20 <PovAddict> make an empty one, should work

16:20 <MTughan> Okay.

16:21 <MTughan> Errors from filesys.C.

16:21 <MTughan> With struct statfs.

16:22 <MTughan> Sorry... struct STATFS.

16:22 <MTughan> Sounds like a #define.

16:22 <PovAddict> BOINC uses uppercase for struct/class names

16:23 <MTughan> Hmm... It built before with include dirs at boinc/ and boinc/lib/

16:23 <MTughan> Do I need filesys.C?

16:23 <PovAddict> I don't think you do

16:23 <MTughan> Nothing hit yet...

16:24 <MTughan> "BOINC_SOCKLEN_T" does not name a type

16:25 <PovAddict> hmm you need filesys actually...

16:25 <MTughan> Hmm, undo won't bring it back... No prob.

16:27 <MTughan> Same errors.

16:28 <MTughan> Plus STATFS.

16:28 <PovAddict> I'm still tracking down needed stuff

16:28 <MTughan> Okay.

16:28 <PovAddict> filesys not needed, miofile and mfile needed

16:28 <MTughan> Both are in there.

16:28 <PovAddict> network.C too (contains boinc_close_socket and others)

16:28 <MTughan> In there.

16:29 <MTughan> This is at compilation, not linking BTW.

16:29 <PovAddict> hmm

16:29 <PovAddict> BOINC_SOCKLEN_T gives erorr?

16:29 <PovAddict> error*

16:29 <MTughan> "does not name a type".

16:29 <PovAddict> grepping everything


16:30 <PovAddict> what file and line give those errors?

16:30 <MTughan> In gui_rpc_client_ops.C, lines 1027-1029.

16:30 <PovAddict> what about socklen

16:30 <MTughan> BOINC_SOCKLEN_T is actually in network.h...

16:31 <MTughan> Line 56.

16:31 <PovAddict> see clientgui/mac/config.h

16:32 <MTughan> Hmm, so I'll need to include that?

16:32 <MTughan> Or is that my config.h?

16:35 <PovAddict> that kind of stuff is usually figured out by the configure script

16:35 <MTughan> Using that as config.h gets rid of BOINC_SOCKLEN_T errors.

16:35 <MTughan> Now missing version.h...

16:35 <MTughan> Easy to get.

16:35 <PovAddict> it's in the root directory :)

16:35 <PovAddict> in boinc

16:35 <MTughan> Yep.

16:35 <MTughan> Building...

16:36 <MTughan> Now missing 8 symbols... Main ones are boinc_fopen, boinc_catch_signal, boinc_copy, and boinc_set_signal_handler.

16:37 <PovAddict> boinc_fopen is from filesys - I just noticed that

16:37 <MTughan> Hmm, a lot of those symbols are from diagnostics.C...

16:37 <MTughan> And util.C.

16:39 <MTughan> Okay, filesys had 6 of those symbols. Now missing boinc_catch_signal and boinc_set_signal_handler.

16:39 <PovAddict> finally got it here

16:39 <PovAddict> only missing a WinAPI function

16:39 <MTughan> What is diagnostics.C?

16:39 <PovAddict> here's the ones I needed:

16:39 <PovAddict> gui_rpc_client.o gui_rpc_client_ops.o miofile.o mfile.o parse.o network.o md5.o md5_file.o prefs.o filesys.o util.o str_util.o hostinfo.o

16:40 <PovAddict> plus win_util (which you don't need) and gui_rpc_client_print (which you don't need if you don't use the print() methods, which are mostly for debugging, and used by boinc_cmd)

16:40 <MTughan> I've got all of those.

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16:40 <MTughan> Except win_util, but as you said I don't need it.

16:41 <PovAddict> are you linking diagnostics?

16:41 <MTughan> Yes.

16:41 <PovAddict> don't

16:41 <PovAddict> might solve it :)

16:41 <MTughan> What I wanted to hear...

16:41 <MTughan> Success.

16:42 <MTughan> Just cleaning then rebuilding to be sure.

16:42 <MTughan> We're good.

16:42 <PovAddict> mine compiled but doesn't work

16:42 <PovAddict> I need some extra WinSock stuff

16:42 <MTughan> So I'm probably fine then.

16:43 <MTughan> What's the class name again?

16:43 <PovAddict> add gui_rpc_client_print.C, and use this test program:

16:43 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

16:44 <PovAddict> yep, works for me after adding WSAStartup call

16:45 <MTughan> What is the GUI RPC class called again?

16:45 <MTughan> RPC_CLIENT, as in your code?

16:45 <PovAddict> yep

16:45 <MTughan> Okay, so I can have an RPC_CLIENT object in my Obj-C class.

16:50 <xcamel> dumb question (brain fart)

16:50 <wdsmia> asks xcamel to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

16:50 <xcamel> what do they call those "tiny box" machines..

16:50 <efc> Gumstix? or not that tiny

16:51 <xcamel> lanparty machines..

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16:51 <xcamel> little cubes or shoebox machines

16:52 <efc> Like the Mac Mini?

16:53 <efc> there's a small class that starts with H..

16:53 <xcamel> sorta of, yes.

16:54 <Tank_Master> hey

16:54 <efc> HPC or something like that, the TIVO clone boxes

16:54 <Tank_Master> TIVO rocks

16:54 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

16:54 <Tank_Master> &more

16:54 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 46.2F / 7.9C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.75in / 1007.3hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Rain increasing. Highs around 45. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the south in the afternoon.; Tonight - Rain...breezy. Lows around 35. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph.; Sunday - Rain. Snow level 1000 feet. Snow accumulation up to (1 more message)

16:54 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 1 inch possible above 1000 ft. Highs around 40. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.;

16:57 <xcamel> ah - found some at aopen

16:59 <efc> What were they called?

17:00 <MTughan> bbiab

17:04 <xcamel> shuttle xpc

17:04 <xcamel>

17:04 <Romulus> <> (at

17:04 <xcamel> core 2 quad barebones - $824

17:05 <xcamel> Dimensions: 30 x 20 x 18.5 cm (LWH)

17:06 <xcamel> that could be quite the deal...

17:07 <xcamel> 2 of those gives 8 clients, and mighty low power requirements..

17:14 <efc> You can buy 4, set them inside that wood burning stove, and heat the house

17:16 <MTughan> lol

17:27 <xcamel> yummy goulash

17:28 <xcamel> interesting contact today... dog sledders...

17:29 <xcamel> looks like I'm going to set up and groom some trails for them...

17:29 <xcamel> 'mushing is phun' ....

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18:01 <efc> The path leads to the fountain.  You want to fulfill your bucket.

18:21 <xcamel> what if you are standing in the bucket?

18:22 <efc> There exists a path outside the water

18:30 <xcamel> ok... this is insane...

18:30 <xcamel>

18:30 <Romulus> Title: Flash The Llama Song (at

18:31 <xcamel> try not to commit suicide after the first 60 seconds

18:34 <PovAddict> o.0

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19:16 <xcamel> did some deeper cleaning on the HP - we'll see how long it runs now..

19:27 <xcamel> lol - about 5 minutes.

19:38 <xcamel> &weather 12074

19:38 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 33.7F / 0.9C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 30s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming north around 5 mph in the afternoon.; Sunday (1 more message)

19:38 <xcamel> &more

19:38 <Romulus> xcamel: Night - Snow likely in the evening...then snow after midnight. Total accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Lows in the upper 20s. Light and variable winds...becoming northeast around 5 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 90 percent.;

19:42 <xcamel> still nice out

19:46 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

19:46 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 25F / -4C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low 15 to 20. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny. High around 30. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Scattered flurries in the evening... then a slight chance of snow after midnight. Low around (1 more message)

19:46 <wdsmia> &more

19:46 <Romulus> wdsmia: 20. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;

19:48 <xcamel> is that a "warm up" ?

19:48 <wdsmia> it is for here

19:49 <xcamel> thanks, Nic

19:49 <PovAddict> xcamel: interesting... you did testing back on pre-release days (astropulse) but you don't have a boinc alpha account?

19:50 <xcamel> no, I gave up on fighting with them and just run the latest build against live projects

19:50 <PovAddict> fair enough

19:51 <xcamel> Dave is aware of this "compromise"

19:52 <wdsmia> Pov back then it was Beta Alpha didnt start till June? 2005

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19:58 <xcamel> I started in may, 2000

19:59 <xcamel> my how time flies...

20:01 <xcamel> er... fruit flies

20:02 <wdsmia> lol

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20:35 <E-30> hey

20:36 <PriitM>

20:39 <E-30> how are you doing

20:39 <PriitM> kind of like this

20:39 <E-30> wow

20:40 <E-30> what happen

20:40 <PriitM> I'm installing Vista for the first time in my life

20:40 <PriitM> on virtual machine... I belive it might actually be worse than that picture

20:41 <E-30> wow fuck on that

20:41 <wdsmia> asks E-30 to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

20:41 <E-30> one

20:41 <E-30> i had hell doing it on  one i was infrount of for that mater

20:42 <PriitM> installation is finished by now

20:42 <E-30> nice vis but bad resorce usege

20:42 <PriitM> i got it running with 1gb of ram and 8mb video memory

20:42 <xcamel> vista still sucks

20:43 <PriitM> very uncomfortable

20:43 <E-30> i have it with 4 gig and 768mb of vid

20:43 <E-30> yea

20:43 <E-30> hey xcamel

20:43 <PriitM> I got 256mb 7600gt, but virtualbox offered only 8mb by default

20:43 <xcamel> 'lo E

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20:44 <xcamel> lol - pink floyd quote

20:44 <E-30> well i have it running on a 8800 and core 2 duo 6600 oc to 3.4 ghz

20:44 <E-30> lol

20:44 <PriitM> ooh, as fresh vista takes quite a bit of ram - about the same amount how much xp with firefox and msn takes

20:44 <xcamel> that's pms-n

20:45 <PriitM> pfft, horroble sentence

20:46 <PriitM> awful

20:46 <E-30> lol

20:46 <PriitM> just awful :P

20:47 <E-30> well vista takes as much resorce as my xp box running battlefeild 2142

20:48 <PriitM> after seeing vista I'm so happy that I got away from windows

20:48 <E-30> lol

20:48 <xcamel> I repeat.. vista still sucks

20:48 <E-30> i like xp i will stay there as longas i can

20:48 <PriitM> windows xp pro was the only one what I actually liked

20:49 <xcamel> xppro now with sp3

20:49 <E-30> that is what i run

20:50 <PriitM> works on older PCs quite fine as well

20:50 <E-30> yea

20:50 <Tank_Master> Vista rocks for BOINC

20:50 <E-30> why

20:50 <Tank_Master> I can get in an additional 24 min of comput time a day over XP

20:50 <E-30> i cant get it to install

20:50 <Tank_Master> odd

20:51 <E-30> on this labtop

20:51 <Tank_Master> btw, the SP3 for XP is  NOT! the final version

20:52 <xcamel> the beta rc is pretty good

20:52 <E-30> lol

20:52 <Tank_Master> I got server 2008 to run on a dual P3 board w/o probs, I wonder why vista would have problems ona  laptop

20:53 <PriitM> I tried to install win home server, even made 67gb virtual partition, but it still gave me error that I don't have enough room :/

20:54 <Tank_Master> Washington law: When two trains come to a crossing, neither shall go until the other has passed.

20:55 <Tank_Master> how does that work?

20:56 <E-30> 5y drfgcx3bvh hbjm

20:56 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:56 <Tank_Master> cd key for vista?

20:56 <E-30> help me

20:57 <Tank_Master> Am I correct in that your tryingto install it into a VM?

20:57 <E-30> this is his wife

20:57 <Tank_Master> ahh

20:58 <Tank_Master> what do you need help with?'

20:58 <xcamel> hello wife...

20:58 <PriitM> PriitM requires some sleep. good night

20:58 <Tank_Master> gn PM

20:58 <xcamel> congrats, btw..

20:58 <E-30> chris is tickling me to death

20:58 <Tank_Master> :P

20:58 <xcamel> TMI...

20:59 <E-30> not that way geeze get your mind out of the gutter

20:59 <Tank_Master> flipping up one's shirt usually diverts another's attantion

20:59 <E-30> he never lifted up my shirt

21:00 <Tank_Master> bummer ;)  guy needs more practice

21:00 <E-30> im the daughter of a retired marine i like to roughhouse

21:01 <Tank_Master> fun times :D

21:01 <xcamel> no comment...

21:02 <E-30> so what you guys up to?

21:03 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

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21:03 <Tank_Master> reading dumb signs and laws

21:03 <E-30> sounds like fun chris is picking on me

21:03 <Tank_Master> did you know in Washington its a misdeminor to be in public with the common cold?

21:04 <E-30> weird

21:04 <Tank_Master> And its illegal to have sex with a virgin

21:04 <E-30> gee that sucks

21:05 <Tank_Master> In oregon, its illegal to wisper errotic words to the partner while haveing sex

21:05 <E-30> so where are you?

21:05 <Tank_Master> Or

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21:06 <Tank_Master> also, in Oklohoma, your car must be thethered up when parked

21:08 <Tank_Master> lol, oh yeah - In Or, Dishes MUST drip dry

21:09 <Tank_Master> anywho, MY dinner is ready, ill bbl

21:09 <Tank_Master> hf rough houseing ;)

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21:26 <blacklabelsk8er> anyone participating in seti not recieving new work units?

21:40 <MTughan> I can't upload WUs to S@H...

21:40 <E-30> who knows

21:40 <MTughan> Oh wait, it did upload...

21:41 <MTughan> It wasn't before.

21:41 <E-30> lol

21:41 <blacklabelsk8er> I havent been able to do anything with S@H all afternoon

21:42 <MTughan> I don't know if I can download WUs. I have my machine set to not download any work right now.

21:44 <E-30> ok

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21:52 <BadBarbarian> evening all

21:56 <blacklabelsk8er> hello Bad_At_Home

21:56 <blacklabelsk8er> er BadBarbarian

21:57 <MTughan> One and the same anyway.

22:09 <Soul_keeper> it would be nice to go on  deal or no deal

22:09 <Soul_keeper> it's pretty much guaranteed free money

22:10 <efc> Deal

22:12 <Soul_keeper> you just pick a briefcase and keep saying no deal, and you get whatever is in it ...

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22:17 <MTughan> And if it's a cent?

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22:18 <Soul_keeper> bla

22:19 <Soul_keeper> then you're a cent richer

22:20 <MTughan> lol

22:21 <efc> Life is better with the Flash blocker

22:21 <PovAddict> 'tis

22:21 <efc> Its like the web went back to 1997

22:21 <PovAddict> good thing

22:22 <PovAddict> I just finished writing a youtube downloader

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22:22 <MTughan> Yeah, slow as molasses in January.

22:22 <MTughan> Hey, I can check that in two days...

22:22 <MTughan> Wait, three... Damn!

22:22 <E-30> yea

22:23 <E-30> .lol

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23:32 <quail> &weather ypad

23:32 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 91°F / 33°C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 2:30 PM CST; Clear. High:98 F. / 37 C.; Clear. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Clear. High:98 F. / 37 C.; Clear. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:107 F. / 42 C.; Clear. Low:68 F. / 20 C.;

23:32 <PovAddict>

23:32 <Romulus> <> (at

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23:40 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

23:42 <Soul_keeper>

23:42 <Romulus> <> (at

23:42 <Soul_keeper> nice

23:42 * PovAddict just notes a good opportunity to test his downloader

23:43 <PovAddict> for flv from youtube, for xvid converted on my machine and *slowly* uploaded back

23:43 <Romulus> <> (at

23:44 <PovAddict> hmm

23:46 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

23:46 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 27F / -2.8C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 11 to 17. Light winds.; Sunday - Not as cold. Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly sunny. Highs around 44. Light winds.; Sunday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 16 to 22. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening (1 more message)

23:47 <BadBarbarian> &more

23:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: becoming light.;

23:47 <BadBarbarian> evening all

23:47 <Tidus> evening

23:48 <BadBarbarian> wasup tidus

23:49 <BadBarbarian> good i hope

23:49 <Tidus> just listening to some loud angry music lol

23:49 <BadBarbarian> thats not a bad thing lol

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23:50 <BadBarbarian> howdt Wabbit

23:50 <Wabbit67> hmmm

23:50 <BadBarbarian> lol

23:51 <Wabbit67> I blame Doctor Who

23:51 <BadBarbarian> at my favorate bar on wifi

23:51 <BadBarbarian> lol

23:52 <Soul_keeper> any of you used HSDPA yet ?

23:52 <Tidus> i'm at home with a usb wireless stick barely poking out the window to catch the neighbor's wireless

23:55 <MTughan> Oh, damn it... Knew that would happen.

23:56 <MTughan> I pulled the power cable enough to shake the lid...

23:56 <Tidus> whoops

23:56 <MTughan> And it does what it's been doing. Kernel panics.

23:56 <PovAddict> you're doing it wrong

23:56 <MTughan> lol

23:56 <MTughan> True, I draped the cables over the front of the desk.

23:57 <Wabbit67> I hate it when corn panics

23:57 <MTughan> Probably wasn't the smartest idea.

23:57 <MTughan> lol

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