IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2007-12-30

00:03 <Soul_keeper> nobody tryed HSDPA then ?

00:03 <MTughan> What is that?

00:03 <Soul_keeper> wireless broadband

00:03 <MTughan> Nope.

00:03 <Soul_keeper> the new 3g connectivity cards

00:04 <MTughan> Okay, now I don't have a Mac in my way anymore...

00:04 <Tidus> lol

00:05 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: sorry, i'm not through AT&T wireless, so ...

00:05 <MTughan> I was afraid to move it because it's been kernel panicking. But now that I set it off anyway, perfect time to move it.

00:05 <efc> &weather 30625

00:05 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 52F / 11C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Showers likely with a slight chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows around 50. Light and variable winds. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Sunday - Showers with a chance of (1 more message)

00:06 <efc> Light rain but stronger than a satellite signal

00:07 <MTughan> WTF? Why'd it panic this time? I didn't move it.

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00:08 <Tidus> you breathed in its direction?

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00:09 <MTughan> And looks like it's back to refusing to boot.

00:09 <MTughan> Did that before, no effect.

00:09 <Tidus> you looked at it?

00:09 <Tidus> lol

00:09 <Tidus> it's a mac.

00:09 <MTughan> Hehe, maybe light has increased in mass...

00:10 <PovAddict> computer gods are picking on you

00:10 <PovAddict> simple

00:10 <Soul_keeper> well the computer programmer won on jeopardy ...

00:11 <Soul_keeper> the other morons didn't know about morris code

00:11 <MTughan> If the computer gods are picking on me, why does my P4 still work?

00:11 <MTughan> You mean Morse code.

00:11 <Tidus> the gods forgive transgressions like the pentium 4

00:11 <Soul_keeper> lol yeah

00:11 <MTughan> Even the Prescotts?

00:11 <Tidus> the preshott was the worst one

00:11 <Soul_keeper> leave my prescott out of this ...

00:11 <Tidus> 80C at idle with the stock cooler is simply unacceptable

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00:12 <sethy> 's goin on guys?

00:12 <PovAddict> WTF Tidus

00:12 <sethy> no

00:12 <Tidus> my laptop is a transgression in itself

00:12 <sethy> sethy

00:12 <Soul_keeper> i got the most powerfull fan they make on my heatsink ...

00:12 <PovAddict> my P4 reached 75C max on full load

00:12 <MTughan> That run at 55C idle with standard cooling?

00:12 <MTughan> Or was it higher...

00:12 <MTughan> Eh, I don't remember.

00:12 <PovAddict> and i thought it was too much

00:12 <Tidus> dell inspiron 5100 with a desktop p4 northwood 2.4 in it

00:12 <PovAddict> p4 3.0ghz

00:12 <Soul_keeper> sounds like a helicopter but keeps it a cool 55-60c

00:13 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: i'm running an overclocked athlon64

00:13 <Tidus> from 2.2 to 2.6

00:13 <Tidus> on the STOCK heatsink, it stays quiet and never exdceeds 40c

00:13 <Soul_keeper> 2.8e @ 3.2  here

00:13 <MTughan> I think with my oversize Zalman cooler, I can run at about 75C on full load.

00:13 <MTughan> P4 2.8GHz, HT on.

00:14 <Soul_keeper> i'd love to sell this beast

00:14 <Tidus> MTughan: lol... pretty sad that a stock cooler with some arctic silver 5 can keep this beast that cool

00:14 <MTughan> The Mac (the broken one ATM) is an Intel Core Duo 2.0GHz. Runs at about 80-85C on full load, but it's also a smaller fan.

00:14 <Soul_keeper> tomshardware just did an intel power consumption comparison   http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/28/intel_cpu_power_consumption/

00:14 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MLw> (at www.tomshardware.com)

00:16 <efc> Has HT worked out well for boinc stuff? I've always kept it off, assuming that sharing the L2 cache would do more harm than good.

00:16 <Soul_keeper> it works fine

00:16 <PovAddict> HT annoyed the hell out of me

00:16 <sethy> w00t my birthday is on ash wednesday in 2008 <3, double for nothing i say

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00:17 <MTughan> Yeah, seems to work all right.

00:17 <MTughan> I am considering upgrading my machine though. Go full way to a 64-bit quad core.

00:17 <MTughan> New MB, CPU, RAM, GPU. About $1000 altogether.

00:17 <BadBarbarian[a]> evening SK & POV & MT

00:17 <MTughan> Should be nice if/when I do it.

00:17 <Soul_keeper> increases performance like 15-30% in my experience

00:17 <MTughan> 'lo BB[a]

00:17 <MTughan> You've become an array?

00:17 <MTughan> :P

00:17 <efc> oh drat, out of s@h work again

00:17 <BadBarbarian[a]> hey Mt

00:20 <efc> with flash off, Toms is almost usable!

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00:20 <MTughan> The problem with just upgrading to a C2Q is that I have a socket 478 MB... >_>

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00:20 <PovAddict> sleep

00:20 <MTughan> Bye.

00:20 <PovAddict> it's 2:20 am

00:20 <PovAddict> wait

00:20 <PovAddict> 3:20

00:20 <MTughan> Yeah, no DST yet.

00:20 <MTughan> Or I'm wrong...

00:20 <sethy> PovAddict: thats too early

00:21 <PovAddict> I haven't changed my computer clock

00:21 <sethy> 05:21:08

00:21 <PovAddict> sethy: so?

00:21 <sethy> quit being lazy

00:21 <BadBarbarian[a]> 10:20 pm nere

00:21 <PovAddict> the three levels:

00:21 <PovAddict> parents complain if I stay longer than 1 am

00:21 <PovAddict> I don't like staying longer than 3 am

00:21 <BadBarbarian[a]> lol

00:21 <PovAddict> friends keep saying "what, you never stayed all night?"

00:22 <BadBarbarian[a]> sorry

00:22 <MTughan> How about New Years?

00:22 <MTughan> We'll pull all nighters.

00:22 <MTughan> Hmm... That'll be hard with all the people across the US, and at least Pov in Argentina and yoyo in Germany.

00:22 <sethy> england here

00:22 <sethy> _o/

00:22 <efc> "Cylon and Garfunkle"

00:22 <MTughan> There's another...

00:22 <PovAddict> MTughan: I won't be at home during new years

00:22 <PovAddict> going to my grandad's

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00:22 <BadBarbarian[a]> pov where in arg

00:22 <PovAddict> so, have fun for me... in #freenode-newyears

00:22 <MTughan> sethy: Although you and yoyo can almost celebrate at the same time.

00:22 <MTughan> Ooo, nice.

00:22 <PovAddict> you might asplode laughing (I did last year)

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00:23 <sethy> but i celebrate over 3 nights....

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00:23 <sethy> pre and post new year celebrations :D

00:23 <BadBarbarian[a]> i do peru every winter

00:23 <MTughan> Hmm, that just redirects to #defocus right now...

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00:23 <PovAddict> when new years was reached on any timezone 'round the globe, everybody started flooding the channel with "happy new year [list of countries]"

00:23 <PovAddict> way too many messages *per second*

00:23 <MTughan> lol

00:23 <sethy> happy new year and </2007>\

00:23 <sethy> <2008>

00:23 <MTughan> Hehe...

00:23 <PovAddict> and people getting drunk

00:24 <sethy> _o/

00:24 <PovAddict> oh and there was one depressed dude throwing rants into the channel

00:24 <BadBarbarian[a]> Pov where are you located

00:24 <PovAddict> and another idiot throwing religious evangelism

00:24 <MTughan> I just said "Wake me up when it's New Years..."

00:25 <Soul_keeper> lol

00:25 <BadBarbarian[a]> leavining for cosco next week

00:25 <MTughan> In #freenode-newyears, aka #defocus.

00:26 <sethy> i just realised i'm layed out like a woman when giving birth....

00:26 <BadBarbarian[a]> lol

00:26 <MTughan> Uh...

00:26 <MTughan> What do you say to that?

00:26 <sethy> taking a $#!& doesnt count...

00:27 <sethy> well anyway i got my database up and running

00:27 <BadBarbarian[a]> sorry POV if i was telling where i was going

00:28 <BadBarbarian[a]> please forgive me

00:28 * sethy starts collecting birthdays again

00:29 <Soul_keeper> Blastid !!!

00:29 <sethy> !!!

00:29 <PovAddict> damn I had my coords

00:29 <sethy> ITZ A ANGRY Soul_keeper

00:30 <MTughan> lol

00:30 <Soul_keeper> yeah my irc chan died, cause i work too much

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00:30 <Soul_keeper> also i'm mostly poor

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00:31 <PovAddict> wow defocus is random

00:31 <PovAddict> users are exploding each other

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00:33 <MTughan> Ah, that's why. He's on Comcast. :P

00:33 <sethy> OH YES, they finaly posted on /c/

00:33 <PovAddict> what is c again?

00:34 <sethy> /c/ is anime/cute

00:34 <efc> hmm, lot of people running core 2 quads @ 3 gig?

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00:34 <sethy> NOT /b/

00:34 <sethy> but /c/

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00:36 <efc> (in ref to the toms article)

00:36 <MTughan> efc: Could be.

00:37 <MTughan> Anyone know which would be better? Core 2 Quad or Xeons?

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00:39 <efc> I've never seen much advantage to the xeons unless you want multi-cpu boards

00:39 <efc> they probably are a smidgen faster due to cache

00:40 <MTughan> I'll have to see how much it is for a dual processor board. If I do that, I might have to scale back to dual cores.

00:41 <MTughan> Although another quad core would just about about $200-300 more.

00:41 <MTughan> Hmm... I can get a Phenom 2.3GHz, one of the processors I had originally looked at, for a bit less because of Boxing Day sales...

00:41 <efc> its ridiculous from what i've seen

00:42 <efc> been a while since I looked though

00:42 <MTughan> What, Boxing Day sales, or quad cores?

00:42 <PovAddict> I found myself again!

00:42 <efc> multi cpu boards

00:43 <MTughan> The Phenom's a nice processor too..

00:43 <MTughan> Ah.

00:43 <efc> also the cpus have a premium

00:43 <MTughan> I'm just thinking about the Mac Pro. It's dual quad-core Xeons at 3.0GHz.

00:43 <MTughan> zombie has one of those.

00:43 <MTughan> So 8-core 3.0GHz.

00:44 <PovAddict> BadBarbarian[a]: 34° 44' 20" S 58° 23' 20" W

00:44 <PovAddict> (rounded a bit; I don't want any of you knocking at my door)

00:44 <MTughan> Think about what that could do on BOINC...

00:44 <Soul_keeper> lol suzy orman would tell you about affording that ...

00:44 <efc> If you figure out the relative cost/benefit I'd like to hear about it

00:44 <MTughan> lol, I already found your address, remember Pov?

00:44 <efc> I'd guess its a loser but who knows

00:44 <MTughan> efc: Okay, but it'll be in CDN.

00:44 <PovAddict> MTughan: so?

00:44 <PovAddict> you still haven't come :)

00:44 <MTughan> I don't happen to have the money for a plane ticket.

00:44 <PovAddict> :D

00:45 <PovAddict> and if you did, you'd upgrade your computer instead

00:45 <MTughan> Oh yeah.

00:45 <PovAddict> ok I rly g2g

00:45 <MTughan> Okay, so the AMD Opterons I can get are all dual-core...

00:45 <MTughan> Bye.

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00:45 <PovAddict> I want somebody to write me an IRC bot that logs chat

00:45 <Bad_At_Home> lol later POVi

00:45 <PovAddict> with millisecond precision

00:46 <MTughan> lol

00:46 <PovAddict> for freenode-newyears

00:46 <sethy> g00gle?

00:46 <PovAddict> and a "player" to play back the log making it look as if you were on the channel

00:47 <MTughan> Well, there's a Phenom and ASUS MB combo that they're selling for a fairly nice price... Except the MB has slow memory and an integrated GPU. So it's a piece of crap.

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00:49 <MTughan> Anyone know what socket the Xeons use? Is it 775?

00:49 <Soul_keeper> there is a big difference in price between boards with 1 pci2 16x slot and 2

00:49 <Soul_keeper> the price of the board more than doubles

00:50 <Soul_keeper> i just can't justify that, unless i can run boinc on a vid card or physx card

00:50 <Soul_keeper> 89 bucks vs. 229

00:50 <MTughan> What boards?

00:51 <Soul_keeper> looking at 775 boards

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00:51 <MTughan> I'm looking at ASUS M3A vs. M3A32-MVP (AM2+ boards) and they have almost the same ratio.

00:51 <Soul_keeper> the xeons are like 640 or 8-something pins i believe

00:51 <MTughan> Okay.

00:52 <MTughan> Oh, I guess they'd be under the category "Server Boards"... Duh!

00:52 <MTughan> Socket 771?

00:52 <MTughan> Nvm, looks like they haven't sold it for a while.

00:52 <Soul_keeper> yeah i just noticed that on newegg

00:53 <MTughan> Oh, does support 64-bit dual core Xeons...

00:53 <Soul_keeper> i'm eyeballing the  abit ip35-e

00:54 <MTughan> This is the Intel S5000VSASCSI.

00:54 <Soul_keeper> the  ABIT IX38 Quad GT  is just too pricey for me

00:55 <MTughan> Although I'll just look at Asus AM2+ and 775 boards... For the Phenom and C2Q, respectively.

00:55 <MTughan> efc: Sorry, no multi-processor boards here.

00:55 <MTughan> Where I'm looking anyway.

00:56 <MTughan> Holy crap! 12 USB2 ports?!

00:56 <PovAddict> usb3 ftw

00:57 <MTughan> 6 SATA2 ports...

00:57 <MTughan> 2 PCI-Express 2.0 and 1 PCI-Express...

00:57 <MTughan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/main.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016771&cid=MB.157

00:57 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MM-> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

00:58 <MTughan> That's a really nice MB... Almost $300. :P

00:58 <MTughan> PovAddict: BED!

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01:03 <MTughan> Okay, why the hell are all the MBs that use external vid cards more expensive? You would think they'd be less expensive because you don't have to get another chip in there.

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01:04 <Soul_keeper> it's all the other features

01:04 <Tidus> it costs more to disable the northbridge graphics than to just leave it enabled.

01:04 <MTughan> I guess...

01:05 <MTughan> There... Got one at $160.

01:05 <MTughan> Dunno if I can get any cheaper.

01:05 <Tidus> my motherboard is a cheapass MSI K9VGM-V

01:06 <MTughan> I don't want to get shut down with a shitty Intel integrated card as I did in the Mac.

01:06 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

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01:06 <MTughan> Using Vista's scoring method, my three year old ATI Radeon 9600 scores better than the GMA950.

01:09 <Tidus> MTughan: using that method, my old dual athlon with an ati x1950gt outran a dual core laptop with the GMA950

01:09 <MTughan> Whoa... Found a MB with 6 RAM slots...

01:09 <MTughan> Well, the X1950GT is a mean machine.

01:11 <MTughan> lol, advertises the OS compatibility to be XP/Vista.

01:12 <MTughan> I say "Load of crap."

01:12 * Tidus np: Cloud Nine [3:29/4:22] - The Open Door - 2006 by Evanescence | Metal | mp3 | 195 kbps

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01:15 <MTughan> We need to tell f0urty to get a better connection...

01:15 <MTughan> Ah, Comcast again...

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01:21 <MTughan> Okay, I think I found my motherboard if I go with the Phenom... Now for the Core 2 Quad MB.

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01:44 <sethy> wot sits on ya wotsits

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01:54 <Tank_Master> ?

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01:59 <Tank_Master> MT!

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02:02 <MTughan_> Whoa, that was fast...

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02:02 <Tank_Master> hey there

02:03 <MTughan> I just decided to check up on IRC again, and I've been disconnected...

02:03 <Tank_Master> ahh

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02:03 <MTughan> Looks like TSPer already quit and rejoined.

02:03 <Tank_Master> silly wabbit!

02:03 <MTughan> Anyway... Any brand of RAM that you know is good?

02:04 <Tank_Master> tsp was away for 10sec

02:04 <MTughan> I had originally gone with OCZ for my computer here, but we went through about 5 sets to find a good one.

02:04 <Tank_Master> corshare, kingston, ocz(sp?)

02:04 <MTughan> Luckily, we only paid for one.

02:04 <Tank_Master> odd

02:04 <MTughan> Okay, I'll look at Corsair and Kingston.

02:04 <Tank_Master> will, I go with Kingston and have never had a problem

02:05 <MTughan> Also, have you ever heard of Mushkin?

02:05 <Tank_Master> they deal a lot in the server markets

02:05 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:05 <Tank_Master> not to bad

02:06 <MTughan> I'm just pricing out RAM to go with the MBs I chose.

02:06 <MTughan> What the? How can RAM be nVidia SLI ready?

02:06 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:06 <MTughan> Does it mean that SLI can use the RAM?

02:07 <Tidus> it just means it's certified for use in an SLI system

02:07 <Tank_Master> the newer nVidia chipsets allow memory manufactures to put in extra info that sint JEDC standard to better give the true capibilityies of the RAM

02:07 * sethy rawrs

02:07 <MTughan> Hmm, I was thinking about going to 4GB, but looks like it might be too expensive.

02:07 <Tank_Master> not true, Tidus

02:07 <sethy> might?

02:08 <Tank_Master> the chipset Intel is comming out with soon (or the current one even) has the same capibility

02:08 <MTughan> Each dual-channel pair of DDR2 1066 RAM 2GB I've looked at is about $150. I was hoping to stay under $200.

02:08 <sethy> tried newegg?

02:09 <MTughan> Nope, I'm not buying online.

02:09 <Tank_Master> fry's has on sale some DDR800 4GB from OCZ for $75 after rebate

02:09 <Tank_Master> DDR2*

02:09 <MTughan> And besides, with the SLI ready memory, neither motherboard I chose supports SLI anyway. :P

02:09 <sethy> i could do with more CPU still

02:09 <MTughan> DDR2 800? No thanks, I'd want faster.

02:09 <sethy> +0.9GHz isnt enough

02:09 <Tank_Master> lol

02:10 <MTughan> Max is 1066.

02:10 <Tank_Master> Id like to replace all my comps at work with quads ;)

02:10 <MTughan> Now this looks cool... http://www.canadacomputers.com/main.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=014214&cid=RAM.346.754

02:10 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MMR> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

02:10 <MTughan> Just the name too... The Reaper.

02:11 <sethy> i'd like to use all the comps at college

02:12 <sethy> most of them are 600Mhz but some in the media suit are DC-2.4GHz

02:12 <Tank_Master> http://www.canadacomputers.com/main.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013851&cid=RAM.346.754

02:12 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MMS> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

02:12 <Tank_Master> DDR2 1200

02:12 <sethy> lax images

02:12 <MTughan> Yep, DDR2 1200.

02:12 <Tank_Master> nice speed ;)

02:13 <MTughan> The AMD can't take it though. And the Intel can only take it with OC.

02:13 <Tank_Master> depends on the mobo

02:13 <MTughan> Or maybe it's just an MB issue...

02:13 <Tank_Master> but if you run it al lower speeds, you canalso lower the timings

02:13 <MTughan> Intel MB: http://www.canadacomputers.com/main.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016083&cid=MB.157

02:13 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MMT> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

02:13 <MTughan> AMD MB: http://www.canadacomputers.com/main.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016269&cid=MB.350

02:13 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MMU> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

02:14 <Soul_keeper> no abit boards ?

02:14 <Tank_Master> that mobo supports 1200 DDR2

02:14 <MTughan> I like the ASUSes.

02:14 <Tank_Master> same ehre

02:14 <MTughan> The Intel does, yes.

02:14 <MTughan> Notice though...

02:14 <MTughan> * DDR2 1200 is O.C. speed

02:14 <Tank_Master> y would you want AMD these days?

02:14 <MTughan> The Phenom looks really nice. Quad core 2.3GHz.

02:14 <MTughan> And at this point, it's a little cheaper. $20, but...

02:15 <Tank_Master> no, not with asus, they can run at higher than rated memspeeds for a given FSB

02:15 <Soul_keeper> amd is still cool ...

02:15 <Tank_Master> cool?

02:15 <MTughan> The chipset only officially supports up to DDR2 800 if I remember correctly...

02:15 <Tank_Master> have you seen what the high end quads from AMD run at?

02:16 <Tank_Master> Asus engenerrs are good, they can tweek most of that stuff ;)

02:16 <MTughan> Yeah.

02:18 <MTughan> Well, I'm still gonna look for DDR2 1066. I know it'll work, and then I don't have to look for two different sets of RAM.

02:18 <sethy> i currently got this one http://www.xpcgear.com/intel511cpu.html

02:18 <Romulus> Title: Intel Pentium 4 511 2.80GHz, 533MHz FSB, 1MB Cache, 90nm, 64-Bit EM64T, XD, LGA775 Socket 775/T CPU Processor: BX80547PE2800EN (Retail with Fan and Heatsink) (Non-Refundable) (Discontinued) (at www.xpcgear.com)

02:18 <Tank_Master> :)

02:18 <Tank_Master> true

02:18 <Tank_Master> and im gonna head to bed

02:18 <MTughan> Bye.

02:18 <Tank_Master> gn ye all

02:18 <sethy> night

02:19 <MTughan> sethy: Almost looks like mine. Same clock speed and model. Just that mine is a socket 478 and 32-bit.

02:20 <sethy> i need a better onw

02:20 <sethy> one*

02:20 <MTughan> That's why I'm looking.

02:20 <MTughan> Depending on your mobo, you might just have to upgrade CPU and RAM.

02:20 <MTughan> Unlike mine, where I have to upgrade all the core components.

02:21 <sethy> what mobo you got

02:21 <MTughan> It's an ASUS... One sec.

02:21 <sethy> cos i dont have a clue what mobo i got

02:21 <sethy> i dont think mine is asus

02:22 <MTughan> P4C800-E Deluxe.

02:22 <MTughan> Let me see if I can find it.

02:22 <sethy> i like the one i have in the one downstairs

02:23 <sethy> the asus A7V8X-X

02:24 <sethy> its a very reliable mobo and would recomend it anyone else

02:24 <sethy> if they can find one

02:25 <MTughan> lol, they're not exactly easy to find anymore, are they?

02:25 <MTughan> Okay, it's not on Asus's site...

02:26 <MTughan> Here's a review... http://www.bleedinedge.com/reviews/asus_p4c800e/asus_p4c800e_pg1.html

02:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MMY> (at www.bleedinedge.com)

02:30 <MTughan> Anyway, back to part hunting... Found the RAM I can use, so now for a graphics card.

02:31 <MTughan> Wow... I'm only at about $750 with taxes at this point...

02:32 <MTughan> That's gonna get higher though... Especially if I go for a pretty decent ATI or nVidia chipset.

02:33 <MTughan> Oh, seems that I can get a pretty decent ATI card for under $100...

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02:35 <MTughan> Heh... Tidus: You said earlier that your ATI X1950GT could outrun a GMA950. Well, I can get an X1950GT for about $130...

02:35 <Tidus> i paid 160 for mine

02:35 <Tidus> that was last year

02:35 <MTughan> And it comes with Ghost Recon... :P

02:35 <sethy> i cant find out what my mobo is

02:35 <sethy> D:

02:36 <MTughan> Wow... Ghost Recon is only worth about $8... :P

02:36 <MTughan> Without it costs $125.

02:36 <Tidus> i think i need to pick my jaw up off the floor...

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02:36 <Tidus> found one of my dream cars for a LOT less than i thought

02:37 <MTughan> What one?

02:37 <Tidus> 1988 Chevy Camaro IROC-Z for 2650

02:37 <Tidus> only 108k miles, near pristine condition

02:37 * MTughan whistls

02:37 <MTughan> whistles*

02:37 <efc> Mmmmm

02:37 <MTughan> Getting late enough that I start typing weird...

02:37 <MTughan> 'lo e

02:37 <efc> I want a Mustang but will probably get something boring..

02:38 <MTughan> How 'bout a Nissan Sentra? :P

02:38 <Tidus> if i ever get a spare bit of cash, i'm buyin that shit

02:38 <wdsmia> asks Tidus to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

02:38 <Tidus> woops

02:38 <efc> Infiniti G35 wouldn't be too bad

02:38 <Tidus> sorry

02:38 <efc> probably end up with a corolla or similar

02:39 <efc> love the mustang though :(

02:39 <Tidus> right now i drive a semi-wrecked crown vic

02:39 <MTughan> Infiniti's owned by Nissan.

02:40 <efc> Yeah

02:40 <MTughan> Well, we're pretty good. Got an '05 Sentra and an '06 Dodge Caravan.

02:40 <MTughan> They're not exactly sporty, but they're dependable.

02:40 <Tidus> i drive a 1992 crown vic that runs a high-13 second quarter at 129mph

02:41 <MTughan> Although the Sentra seems to have a jerky trans...

02:41 <MTughan> lol

02:41 <Tidus> not too shabby for a grandma boat

02:41 <efc> have a 93 olds right now hehe

02:41 <MTughan> My grandmother's got a '93 Cavalier with about 40,000Km on it.

02:41 <MTughan> &math convert 40000 km to miles

02:41 <Romulus> MTughan: 24854.8476895

02:42 <MTughan> In great condition other than some rust.

02:42 <Tidus> and on the opposite end of the spectrum...

02:42 <Tidus> friend of mine has a 91 subaru wagon that blew up last week

02:42 <MTughan> :o

02:42 <Tidus> had 309000 miles on it

02:42 <MTughan> rofl

02:42 <efc> Relatives of mine had what looked like straight off the lot 92 or 93 red cavalier convertible

02:42 <efc> It was like a time warp

02:43 <MTughan> We didn't have that much on our old van, and we drove it across Canada, twice!

02:43 <MTughan> I think we had about 250,000Km on it...

02:44 <MTughan> Got rid of it last year and got the '06 Caravan. Rad died on the old one. A '93 Caravan.

02:44 <Tidus> i have a near mint condition 89 dodge daytona

02:44 <MTughan> Oh, and the horn was rusted. xD

02:44 <Tidus> with a blown motor

02:44 <MTughan> You should've heard the horn on that thing... Would've annoyed the hell out of you.. :P

02:44 <Tidus> lol shoulda heard the horn on my vic

02:44 <Tidus> it'd go HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo.............................

02:44 <MTughan> Rusted too?

02:44 <MTughan> Haha!

02:45 <Tidus> ............................>NK

02:45 <MTughan> Ah, old cars are so much fun...

02:45 <Tidus> it'd dip until you let off the button

02:45 <Tidus> then it'd finish so loud you had to plug your ears

02:45 <MTughan> Hey, cool...

02:46 <Tidus> turns out it had a short in it

02:46 <MTughan> Space goes down a web page in FF, Shift-Space goes back up.

02:46 <Tidus> so i unhooked it so i didn't have to keep replacing fuses and wondering why the radio quit working...

02:46 <MTughan> lol

02:46 <Tidus> old cars are fun :)

02:47 <MTughan> Okay, I think I've settled on an ATI graphics card... Now to check out the nVidia chips...

02:47 <efc> I'd like a Mustang II.. one of those would keep me busy

02:47 <Tidus> i want that camaro i seen

02:47 <Tidus> nearly perfect condition, even original paint

02:48 <MTughan> I'll leave you two to your conversation... Gonna pick out a nVidia chip, then I have to go to bed...

02:49 <MTughan> Hmm... Know what a good brand name is for nVidia chips? I've got a bunch of subbrands...

02:49 <efc> If I got a new Mustang I'd probably park it, not use as a daily driver..

02:50 <efc> My last one was an Asus, a long time ago

02:50 <MTughan> Asus, BFG, Evga, Foxconn, Gigabyte, MSI, OCZ, Palit, PNY, XFX, and Zotac.

02:50 <Tidus> i like asus and msi

02:51 <Tidus> my only issue with (pretty much all) camaros is that they are a HEAVY car

02:51 <Tidus> the average sports car that size weighs about 3300lb with a full tank of gas

02:52 <Tidus> the camaro weighs about 4700

02:52 <efc> Hmm yeah

02:52 <efc> Mustang is too heavy too but not by that much

02:52 <Tidus> and that's why i'm embarassed to say this...

02:53 <Tidus> my stepbrother's 1992 chrysler lebaron with the turbo-4 motor...

02:53 <Tidus> flat walked away from a camaro

02:54 <Tidus> kinda interesting isn't it

02:54 <efc> Hmm yeah

02:54 <Tidus> car that is technically classified as a family car since it had 4 doors

02:54 <efc> a 4 cyl better than a camaro..

02:54 <Tidus> walked away from a car that's supposed to be a sports car

02:55 <Tidus> it just simply had a better power to weight ratio

02:55 <Tidus> the camaro he ran against was making about 300hp, 4700 pounds

02:55 <Tidus> his lebaron made about 190 but only weighs 3100

02:55 <efc> Wow

02:55 <efc> What were they putting on it..

02:56 <Tidus> those chrysler 2.5L motors are torquey motors

02:56 <Tidus> once the turbo woke up it was over

02:56 <Tidus> both cars were bone stock

02:57 <MTughan> That's impressive...

02:57 <Tidus> the lebaron's turbo was a getrag unit that put out about 8psi of boost

02:57 <Tidus> could be safely cranked up to about 15

02:57 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

02:57 <Tank_Master> &more

02:57 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 40.8F / 4.9C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017.5hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers. Snow level lowering to 1000 feet late. Lows around 35. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Showers. Snow level 1000 feet. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch above 1000 feet. Highs in the lower 40s. West wind 10 to 20 mph.; (1 more message)

02:57 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Snow level 1000 feet in the evening. Lows around 30. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph early in the evening then light wind.;

02:57 <MTughan> I thought you said you went to bed, TM.

02:57 <Tidus> and the funnier thing is that the lebaron had taller gears than the camaro

02:58 <Tidus> 3.11 final drive in the lebaron vs 3.73 in the camaro

02:58 <Tank_Master> was wonfering how long the strong winds and rain was gonna last

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03:01 <Tidus> that's ok.  i got a video for ya

03:02 <Tidus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYuo5pUqnZ8

03:02 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Reliant vs Supra at dragstrip (at www.youtube.com)

03:06 <Tidus> now -that- is one heck of a sleeper

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03:13 <MTughan> Oh, ffs. Connection drops again on a download with 400KB left. >_>

03:14 <Tidus> blech

03:14 <Tidus> wireless dropped

03:15 <MTughan> All this fuss so I can view nVidia's page on how to choose a video card...

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03:37 <sethy> whats the datatype for yes/no ?

03:37 <yoyo[RKN]> bool

03:38 <sethy> thats true/false though

03:38 <sethy> as mysql datatype for yes/no

03:39 <yoyo[RKN]> I would use bool, this is the datatype which has 2 states

03:42 <sethy> i'll just use bool then

03:42 <sethy> just rename the column

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03:48 <sethy> PROBLEM

03:48 <sethy> string is not a mysql datatype :$

03:48 <sethy> use text?

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03:50 <sethy> _o/

03:52 <MTughan> Ugh... Almost 4AM... Gotta go to bed. Night.

03:52 <sethy> night

03:52 <yoyo[RKN]> night MTughan

03:56 <sethy> varchar(100) should do

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05:54 <CoderForANewYear> &weather 45140

05:54 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Temperature: 27.6F / -2.4C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny early this morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 40s. East winds around 5 mph... becoming south late.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper (1 more message)

05:54 <CoderForANewYear> &more

05:54 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: 20s. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph.;

05:54 <CoderForANewYear> much colder outside

05:57 <CoderForANewYear> brb  breakfast

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06:06 <Lorvija> Hey, any electrician here?

06:07 <yoyo[RKN]> ping

06:08 <Lorvija> you? =)

06:11 <yoyo[RKN]> jep

06:12 <Lorvija> well just trying to calculate some solar power thingies and wondering how to convert ampere hours to kWh?

06:13 <yoyo[RKN]> with #boinc?

06:13 <Lorvija> duh?

06:13 <CoderForANewYear> volts times amps equals watts

06:14 <Lorvija> okay, thanks (:

06:24 <CoderForANewYear> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt

06:24 <Romulus> Title: Watt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

06:24 <CoderForANewYear> bbiab

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06:55 <HeXiLeD> good morning

06:59 <CoderForANewYear> morning HeXiLeD

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07:06 <CoderForANewYear> re-morning HeXiLeD

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07:37 <PriitM> has anyone got experience with backdoor.rbot.bm? I just found file with my msn address in some laptops virus vault.

07:45 <CoderForANewYear> no experience here, PriitM

07:45 <CoderForANewYear> sounds like you're about to get some

07:45 <PriitM> rather worrying to see such thing in laptop what you're maintaining

07:45 <CoderForANewYear> yup

07:45 <PriitM> i belive i'm quite safe

07:45 <PriitM> i'm on narblinux

07:52 <PriitM> ah yes, not my fault - I just understood the virus

07:52 <PriitM> downloaded, named infected files to msn username and sends it forward to msn contacts

07:56 <CoderForANewYear> that's not good

07:57 * CoderForANewYear turns off MSN chat

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08:11 <xcamel> mornin

08:15 <CoderForANewYear> morning

08:24 <xcamel> looks like a little snow trying to creep your way..

08:28 <wdsmia> mornin all

08:29 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

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08:34 <HeXiLeD> are you around quail ?

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08:40 <quail> HeXiLeD: yep sort of

08:41 <HeXiLeD> its about that tune on the sysinfo script

08:41 <HeXiLeD> if u have time now. if not we can do it later

08:42 <quail> what about the sysinfo script

08:42 <HeXiLeD> well

08:42 <HeXiLeD> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.23-gentoo-r5 |  Dual               Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz 3211.447 MHz | Bogomips: 12850.91 | Mem: 574/999M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 1041.07G Free: 466.15G | Procs: 184 | Uptime: 1 hr 27 mins 54 secs | Load: 3.57 3.34 2.22  | Screen: unknown | eth4: In: 28.89M Out: 1.72M

08:42 <HeXiLeD> screen is unknown

08:42 <HeXiLeD> is this because  i am not using a gui ?

08:43 <quail> maybe

08:43 <HeXiLeD> ok.

08:44 <quail> do you have lspci in gentoo?

08:46 <HeXiLeD> yes

08:46 <HeXiLeD> http://rafb.net/p/Dmqb8X43.html

08:46 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - stdin (at rafb.net)

08:46 <HeXiLeD> the output

08:47 <HeXiLeD> we could display  audio info too :P

08:48 * CoderForANewYear looks at the weather radar

08:49 <quail> HeXiLeD: ok looking at the script and you lspci output I can't see why it not displaying your screen

08:50 <CoderForANewYear> snow looks like it's moving northwest; may miss me

08:50 <HeXiLeD> i have no idea either

08:50 <HeXiLeD> no snow here CoderForANewYear

08:50 <CoderForANewYear> hello wdsmia

08:50 <HeXiLeD> 1 degree

08:50 <xcamel> all the sudden they're saying 3-6" for us tonight

08:51 <CoderForANewYear> where are you HeXiLeD

08:51 <CoderForANewYear> eek xcamel

08:51 <HeXiLeD> north

08:51 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

08:51 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 14F / -10C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Areas of fog in the morning. High around 30. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy early in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Scattered flurries in the evening...then a chance of snow after midnight. Low around (1 more message)

08:51 <wdsmia> &more

08:51 <Romulus> wdsmia: 20. West wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Monday - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow. High in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon.;

08:51 <CoderForANewYear> North Pole?

08:51 <xcamel> HeXiLeD: Ninavut?

08:51 <HeXiLeD> south

08:52 <xcamel> Greenland?

08:52 <HeXiLeD> lol Toronto

08:52 <CoderForANewYear> he he he - I'

08:52 <CoderForANewYear> I'll take a Thompson stance on this

08:52 <xcamel> next to Mike then

08:52 <CoderForANewYear> MTughan

08:52 <xcamel> another Hoser, eh?

08:53 <CoderForANewYear> &weather Toronto

08:53 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM EST; Today - Cloudy with sunny periods. Temperature steady near 0C(32F).; Tonight - Cloudy. 40 percent chance of flurries this evening. Snow beginning later this evening. Amount 5 cm(2.0 in). Low -3C(26F).; Monday - Snow ending (1 more message)

08:53 <quail> &weather ypad

08:53 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 88°F / 31°C | Humidity: 14% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 12:00 AM CST; Clear. High:102 F. / 39 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:105 F. / 41 C.; Clear. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Clear. Low:59 F. / 15 C.;

08:53 <CoderForANewYear> &more

08:53 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: early in the morning then cloudy. 70 percent chance of snow in the evening. High 0C(32F).;

08:54 <HeXiLeD> is that getting it from  theweathernetwork.com ?

08:54 <quail> it nice barmie 31C at midnight here

08:54 <xcamel> Hiya Q

08:54 <CoderForANewYear> 30 here ATM quail

08:54 <HeXiLeD> C or F? CoderForANewYear

08:54 <CoderForANewYear> F, of course

08:54 <xcamel> &math convert 31 C to F

08:54 <Romulus> xcamel: 87.8

08:54 <quail> hiya Jay, Don, Doug

08:55 <CoderForANewYear> morning quail

08:55 <wdsmia> monin quail

08:55 <CoderForANewYear> how you feeling lately, Dale?

08:55 <xcamel> recovering from the climocleptosemia?

08:56 <HeXiLeD> anyone using ubuntu  here? i m trying to burn an iso using growisosfs  the same way i do it with gentoo and  it doesnt  accept the cmd line

08:57 <xcamel> they should be the same

08:57 <quail> HeXiLeD: I use ubuntu but I us gnomebaker or cdrecord

08:57 <quail> cdrecord is command like

08:57 <quail> line

08:57 <HeXiLeD> humm ... but for cd.

08:58 <xcamel> wodim in the new one...

08:58 <xcamel> er is the new one...

08:58 <quail> CoderForANewYear: yep I feeling lot better compared to earlier this week

08:58 <xcamel> Q.. what did you catch?

08:58 <HeXiLeD> by the way boinc is not freezing the box anyone. ( still the old install ) i think it was an X  issue

08:59 <quail> xcamel: what does this mean >>> climocleptosemia?

08:59 <xcamel> it's a joke...

08:59 <quail> ok

08:59 <CoderForANewYear> I think quail suffers from southernhemispherianitis

08:59 <HeXiLeD> np: ''

09:00 * HeXiLeD no tags :P

09:00 <xcamel> climocleptosemia: "A disease that to get where you face looks so much like your butt that your bowels don't know which way to move..."

09:00 <quail> xcamel: I had a stroke xmas eve

09:00 <xcamel> geeez....

09:00 <HeXiLeD> what an xmas gift ..

09:00 <xcamel> how did I miss that..

09:01 <quail> xcamel: I would have liked to have missed

09:01 <xcamel> damn glad you're feeling better...

09:02 <quail> I see the doctor this week for test resaults

09:02 <CoderForANewYear> you went to the hospital at around midnight, right?

09:03 <quail> by what I can remember

09:03 <CoderForANewYear> seemed to me, at least

09:04 * CoderForANewYear works on the Code to interface his rules engine to his workflow engine

09:04 <quail> yeah it would have been cause I was admitted to hospital at 1248

09:04 <xcamel> clot busters right away save alot of lives nowadays...

09:04 <CoderForANewYear> thought so - some Christmas present

09:05 <quail> yeah, but still one I not wanted

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09:07 <xcamel> $hit happens, but you're still here, so that's a good thing.

09:07 <quail> Bad_At_Home: hey

09:07 <xcamel> 'lo BB

09:08 <quail> xcamel: well it has given me a new out look on life

09:09 <xcamel> yup - like the night I got hit by a drunk at over 80 mph...

09:10 <Bad_At_Home> Morning All

09:10 <quail> xcamel: :-(

09:10 <Bad_At_Home> Oh No

09:10 <quail> well I have quit drinking and cut down on the smoking

09:10 <CoderForANewYear> Bad has had a similar life-changing experience

09:11 <Bad_At_Home> yep

09:11 <xcamel> that was 12 years ago, and I still cringe going through that intersection now and then...

09:11 <xcamel> the big laugh/irony about it was I was on the way to an AA meeting...

09:12 <CoderForANewYear> I didn't know that story Jay - glad you made it

09:13 <quail> I drink heaps of bickfords bitter lemon and lime now :-)

09:14 <xcamel> the drunk was killed, but it would have been his 7th DUI

09:14 <CoderForANewYear> Darwin must be served

09:15 <CoderForANewYear> I'll bbiab folks

09:15 <xcamel> he was driving a little chevy cavalier z24, I was driving a full sized GMC Jimmy - and it was totaled.

09:16 <quail> oh

09:16 <xcamel> nearly 400' from the point of impact to where the jimmy stopped - in the trees...

09:16 <Bad_At_Home> thats a very tough 4X4

09:16 <xcamel> I keep a picture of it to remind me...

09:19 <xcamel> and it flipped twice... "dukes of hazard" style..

09:20 <quail> not good

09:22 <xcamel> there is an interesting story attached

09:22 <quail> on a happier note, what have people got planned for new years eve

09:23 <xcamel> about 6 months later I got a letter about a "hearing" regarding the accident

09:23 * quail has nothing planned besides stay at home and put his feet up

09:23 <xcamel> NYS law - all "fatal accidents" - I was scared Shitless...

09:23 <wdsmia> asks xcamel to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

09:23 <xcamel> oops..

09:24 <xcamel> So I went and was interviewed by an "administrative law judge"

09:24 <xcamel> he asked all kinds of questions - and didn't seem to be vary nice about it.

09:25 <quail> yeah

09:25 <xcamel> at the end of the interview which was recordrd, he turned off the recorder and said "OK... Stand up."

09:25 <xcamel> then he reached out and shook my hand

09:26 <quail> oh :-)

09:27 <xcamel> He proceeded to say "In 20 years of doing this, I was the first victim of a fatal DDA that took out the drunk, and not the innocent driver"

09:27 <xcamel> he smiled, and said "have a nice life..."

09:28 <xcamel> and that was the end of that.

09:28 <quail> did you get a good pay out ?

09:28 <xcamel> no.

09:29 <quail> did you get any pay out?

09:29 <xcamel> TG the drunk was driving his mother's car, and not his own Ford F-250, as I found out afterwords..

09:29 <xcamel> all I got was the pro-rated value of the jimmy. :-(

09:30 <xcamel> I should have sued, but I just wanted to get past it all...

09:30 <quail> not a good trott there

09:31 <quail> police out side sound like they chasing someone

09:33 <xcamel> another funny bit.. because I had walked over to the house next to the intersection (who was a friend)

09:34 <xcamel> the responding officer wanted to charge me with 'leaving the scene" - the seargent straightened him out pretty quick

09:35 <quail> hehe

09:36 <xcamel> I had kind of a nasty cut on the forehead, and my friend gave me an old towel to wrap around my head, and I sat on his front porch till the cops arrived...

09:36 <quail> :-)

09:36 <xcamel> I did not want to see what was going on with the other car...

09:37 <xcamel> (there wasn't a whole lot left of it)

09:37 <quail> I don't blame you there

09:42 * quail is watching 'Daylight'

09:45 <xcamel> haven't seen it

09:47 <quail> it a good movie

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10:04 <xcamel> yea! lm_sensors 3.0 installed

10:05 <xcamel> wonder if fancontrol still works...

10:05 <xcamel> nope.. needs re-config

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10:13 <quail> xcamel: If you are using a custom configuration file, you'll need to convert it to the new format using the included sensors-conf-convert script.

10:14 <CoderForANewYear> off to hardware store to get some more stuff to put up the weather station - bbl

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10:36 <desti> http://kde-files.org/CONTENT/content-files/44218-linuxdistrotimeline-7.2.png

10:36 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/PxZ> (at kde-files.org)

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10:55 <ChristianB> Hi boys

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11:26 <quail> back

11:26 <Tank_Master> wb

11:27 <quail> thx

11:35 <atoponce> hmmm

11:35 <atoponce> i contributed to seti long before it became part of boinc. anyway to find my account?

11:37 <Tank_Master> if you know your old e-mail, then yes

11:37 <atoponce> i do, but the old email is no longer valid

11:51 <MTughan> Ugh... That's what you flashed me for earlier? Because HeXiLeD and I live in the same city?

11:52 <MTughan> I actually live in the GTA. Toronto and the GTA combined, you have about 8 million people.

11:55 * HeXiLeD rises from the grave ...

11:55 <HeXiLeD> who called :P ?

11:56 <HeXiLeD> there are 3 Toronto's in the world by the way

11:56 <HeXiLeD> 3 london's ,  at least 2 sidney's and 2 oakville's

11:57 * HeXiLeD gets back to the casket ...

11:58 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

11:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 38.8F / 3.8C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1022.9hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain showers mixed with snow or small hail at times. Snow level 1000 feet. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Highs around 40. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the evening... then (1 more message)

11:58 <Tank_Master> &more

11:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: partly cloudy after midnight. Snow level 1000 feet in the evening. Lows around 30. West wind 5 to 15 mph shifting to the southeast 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Monday - Partly sunny. Areas of fog in the morning. Highs around 40. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;

12:28 * CoderForANewYear returns from lunch

12:29 <CoderForANewYear> hi

12:34 * xcamel returns from grooming dogsled trails

12:34 <xcamel> and is very hungry

12:37 <quail> hi and wb :-)

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13:17 <xcamel> tummy full now

13:17 <xcamel> more goulash

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13:35 <xcamel> 'lo PoV

13:35 <PovAddict> had tiny power outage

13:36 <xcamel> ah..

13:36 <PovAddict> and my sister was using the computer

13:36 <PovAddict> I was just checking what I lost

13:37 <BadBarbarian> mmmm Goulash

13:37 <BadBarbarian> polish style ?

13:38 <xcamel> mostly

13:45 <PovAddict> I need an UPS with at least 1 minute...

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13:45 <E-30> hey

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13:53 <xcamel> hey... it's the married guy...

13:58 <E-30> yea so what

13:58 <E-30> i got up today at least

13:58 <xcamel> just picking...

13:59 <E-30> i know

13:59 <E-30> they are still sleeping now

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14:12 * d00m1001 sighs emotionally.

14:17 <E-30> so how is everyone doing

14:17 <efc> moo

14:20 <E-30> moo back

14:22 <E-30> )-:

14:22 * efc resigns to buy a car

14:23 <d00m1001> Eww

14:23 <d00m1001> resign

14:26 <E-30> wow

14:38 * CoderForANewYear waves to E-30

14:38 <CoderForANewYear> just passing through - back to chores and football

14:39 <PovAddict> hey

14:39 <PovAddict> http://www.marga.com.ar/blog/index.cgi/debian/Argentina_changes_timezone.html

14:39 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MLd> (at www.marga.com.ar)

14:41 <efc> 31st isn't a bank holiday, is it?

14:44 <efc> doesn't appear to be, not a fed holiday

14:45 <xcamel> most places close at noon tomorrom

14:46 <xcamel> most places close at noon tomorrow even

14:46 <xcamel> 'duh'

14:48 <efc> For some reason one bank won't move money tommorrow, guess they don't think its a full work day or something

14:48 <efc> The other one will move it tommorrow but they like to sit on your transfer for 3 days so its effectively no better

14:50 <efc> Always easier to put your money in than get it out

15:08 <efc> Interesting, my credit card company refuses NOT to send me $10k

15:09 <BiteAbleKat> watching gullivers travels

15:09 <BiteAbleKat> on monday there will start 48 hours of the twilight zone on scifi

15:09 <efc> I saw that on, BAK, went to some cross dressing show with Duchovney instead hehe

15:10 <BiteAbleKat> heh

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15:15 <BadBarbarian> Howdy BAK

15:23 <E-30> how are you doing

15:26 <BiteAbleKat> hiya badbarbarian

15:26 <BiteAbleKat> hi e 30

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15:31 <E-30> hey

15:31 <E-30> glad to see you here

15:35 <E-30> so how aqre things going today

15:35 <E-30> are

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15:46 <xcamel> back again... garbage out now.

15:49 <FreeLarry> xcamel:  i resent being set out by the curb ;)

15:49 <E-30> cool

15:49 <E-30> i know what you mean

15:51 <xcamel> two cans worth too...

15:52 <E-30> wow not fun there

15:52 <FreeLarry> humm the new little machine not doing to bad http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_host_graph.php?pr=bo&id=3210306

15:52 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MQn> (at boincstats.com)

15:52 <E-30> well how are the boxs doing today

15:53 <FreeLarry> i try to keep mine a little less than that xcamel

15:53 <E-30> not bad

15:53 <E-30> my 6600 is still betting you out

15:53 <FreeLarry> lol not oc'ed here either and projects not the best for credit

15:54 <E-30> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_host_graph.php?pr=bo&id=3081487

15:54 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MQq> (at boincstats.com)

15:54 <E-30> well all i runis qmc @home

15:55 <E-30> i know

15:55 <E-30> i am not ahade by much though

15:58 <E-30> i am going to go quad soon i hope

15:59 <FreeLarry> lol looks like at least 4 times my machine normal daily currently

15:59 * FreeLarry wonders about attaching to qmc

16:00 <FreeLarry> urgg commute time here so will have to depart

16:00 <FreeLarry> &bye all and HNY

16:00 <Romulus> later ace

16:00 <FreeLarry> even if early

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16:01 <E-30> 2

16:03 <xcamel> hmmm... looks like snow...

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16:47 <xcamel> ooooohhh... pancakes...

16:47 <xcamel> with blueberries...

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16:54 <mweltin> PovAddict ?

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17:02 <briareus> hi all

17:02 <briareus> anyone else running lhc?

17:02 <briareus> I notice that it will couch up some crunchables every so often, then nothing for ages.  Is this others' experience with lhc@home

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17:03 * briareus flashes some ridiculous gang signs to fellow TFFE'rs

17:04 <xcamel> well well..

17:04 * efc can't remember his team and flashes an ambiguous sign back

17:04 <xcamel> lhc is in "maybe" mode

17:05 <briareus> hehe

17:05 <xcamel> maybe you get a couple, maybe you dont.

17:05 <briareus> yeah, it seems so.  I've scaled back my dedication to it, cycles wise, but I think it doesnt matter because if there is no lhc wu it will just I think move on to another project, i never seem to have crunch downtime so I assume that's the function

17:07 <xcamel> basically, yup.

17:07 <xcamel> I does 'um when I gets um...

17:08 <xcamel> wow - some areas close by could get 8-10", then another storm for new years day...

17:08 <xcamel> somebody needs to develop a 'boincweather' broject..

17:09 <xcamel> er project even..

17:10 <efc> 2 week deadlines kinda stink on that one

17:10 <briareus> how about boincporn or boincrain or boincCO2

17:13 <xcamel> not going there..

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17:21 <JohnMahowald> climateprediction.net = boincweather

17:21 <xcamel> naaah... they're not even close.

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17:22 <xcamel> 5 years and unable to prove anything about anthropomorphic global warming - other than it probably doesn't exist..

17:23 <JohnMahowald> Science can't prove anything

17:23 <xcamel> and 'consensus' isn't science.

17:23 <JohnMahowald> Theories of varying probability maybe.

17:25 <briareus> xcamel: is that pretty much what climateprediction.net has come up with?  And I thought it wasn't running for five years already, really?

17:25 <briareus> I think it's possible we are aiding and abetting what is a natural cyclic process.

17:25 <efc> Conclusion: There wasn't any global warming before, but BOINC has burned so many KWHr that it now exists

17:26 <efc> Farnsworth: No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!

17:26 <briareus> but I don't think andything I have seen as far as 'evidence' makes me think we have *caused* it

17:26 <briareus> I think it will likely end up as an ice age, like it has before

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17:48 <xcamel> 7 ice ages have come and gone, and man was barely even around for the last one...

17:48 <BadBarbarian> speaking of iceages

17:48 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

17:48 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 45F / 7.2C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 8mph / 12.9km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 13 to 21. West winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs 40 to 46. North winds around 15 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 10 to 18. Northeast winds around 15 mph.;

17:48 <xcamel> and yes, that's it, although they are lothe to admit it...

18:14 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

18:14 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 27F / -3C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.75in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Areas of fog after midnight. Visibility one quarter mile or less at times after midnight. Low around 15. Southwest wind near 5 mph.; Monday - Cloudy. Snow likely in the morning...then a chance (1 more message)

18:14 <wdsmia> &more

18:14 <Romulus> wdsmia: of snow in the afternoon. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. High in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Monday Night - Bitterly cold. Cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow. Low 5 to 10 above. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Wind chill readings 5 to 10 below.;

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18:18 <wdsmia> send some global warming.... please

18:21 <xcamel> at least it's not all that cold...

18:22 <xcamel> ....yet

18:22 <Tank_Master> its perfitly sunny here

18:23 <xcamel> leftcoaster...

18:23 * wdsmia mutters a rude comment at Tank_Master's sunny day

18:23 <briareus> I think this is all leading to ice age, and while I usually get laughed at out of hand, I think I am on to something.

18:24 <xcamel> an ice age is more likely, but not till after 2012, the next solar maximum.

18:24 <xcamel> Skiing in Mexico City... that would be fun...

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18:31 <briareus> sure, I think a solar maximum is important to an ice age commencement

18:32 <E-30> lol

18:32 <briareus> something's funny?

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18:33 <briareus> [16:23] < briareus> I think this is all leading to ice age, and while I usually get laughed at out of hand, I  think I am on to something

18:33 <briareus> see? I told you.

18:33 <briareus> out of hand, laughter.  I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not.

18:33 <wdsmia> may contain Nuts :P

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18:36 <xcamel> hmmm... proof Bhutto was shot...

18:36 <xcamel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq-DwHXx4oI&rel=0

18:36 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MS$> (at www.youtube.com)

18:37 <briareus> hydrosphere (oceans largely) accumulates heat energy, the resulting energy transfer to lithosphere via transpiration into clouds and storm increases albedo, ultimately resulting in snowfall that in some places won't melt

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18:37 <efc> This issue is probably more complex than the resolving power of IRC

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18:38 <briareus> when the oceans accumulate such an excess of thermal energy that clouds dominate the landmasses, even with a higher albedo the oceans will continue providing precipitation for a long time

18:38 <briareus> your snowpack in some places won't see much sun

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18:39 <Tank_Master> more rain = more interesting times!

18:39 <briareus> so global warming leads to ice age.

18:39 <E-30> yea

18:39 <briareus> in a cyclic phenomenon, saying global warming leads to ice age shouldn't appear contradictory

18:39 <Tank_Master> global warming leads to global dimming, which leads to global cooling

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18:40 <efc> I recommended we set off nukes to decrease albedo but nobody listened.

18:40 <Tank_Master> global dimming is from the increases cloud mass, and so less light reaches the surfice

18:40 <briareus> Tank_Master: that's essentially what I said

18:40 <Tank_Master> yeah

18:40 <Tank_Master> it is ;)

18:40 <briareus> more albedo = cooler lithosphere

18:41 <briareus> but the oceans with their heat sink ability will continue feeding clouds long after the land is cool enough for snow pack

18:41 <Tank_Master> I cant wate

18:41 <briareus> me neither

18:41 <Tank_Master> we dont get enough snow here

18:41 <briareus> I am running my car right now

18:41 <briareus> while I sit here chatting

18:41 <Tank_Master> LOL

18:42 <E-30> cool

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18:56 <xcamel> briareus: more albedo = cooler lithosphere, More libido = Hotter lovelife

18:57 <xcamel> :-)

18:57 <Tank_Master> hehe

18:57 <c0dewarrior> x marks the camel

18:57 <E-30> yea

18:57 <c0dewarrior> evening gents

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18:57 <xcamel> 'lo CW

18:57 <c0dewarrior> how's life

18:57 <E-30> how are you all doing

18:57 <xcamel> getting snowy..

18:57 <c0dewarrior> love snowy

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18:58 <xcamel> back to back storms this time...

18:58 <c0dewarrior> E-30: good good

18:58 <xcamel> tonight, and on newyears..

18:58 <c0dewarrior> hmmmm, time for some snowboarding then!

18:59 <efc> &weather Yakutat

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18:59 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 28F / -2C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Snow showers likely. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Highs around 29. Southeast wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. Lows around 21. Light winds.; Monday - Partly cloudy. (1 more message)

18:59 <xcamel> kids will be heading out - me.. I just groom the trails...

18:59 <c0dewarrior> &weather cape town, south-africa

18:59 <Romulus> c0dewarrior: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

18:59 <c0dewarrior> blegh

18:59 <c0dewarrior> &weather capetown, south africa

18:59 <Romulus> c0dewarrior: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

19:00 <xcamel> use the ICAO code

19:00 <xcamel> &weather CTIA

19:00 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

19:01 <efc> &weather Yakutsk

19:01 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -40°F / -40°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM YAKT; Scattered Clouds. High:-32 F. / -36 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:-36 F. / -38 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:-27 F. / -33 C.; Overcast. Low:-31 F. / -35 C.; Overcast. High:-27 F. / -33 C.; Overcast. Low:-40 F. / -40 C.;

19:01 <xcamel> oh.. that's not good..

19:01 <c0dewarrior> it's broken jim

19:01 <c0dewarrior> :-p

19:01 <efc> Now thats what I'm talkin 'bout

19:01 <xcamel> &weather FACT

19:01 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 68°F / 20°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 1:00 AM SAST; Clear. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Clear. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Clear. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Clear. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 F. / 15 C.;

19:01 <xcamel> that's the right one..

19:01 <wdsmia> &weather McMurdo

19:01 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 23°F / -5°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.28in / 991hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 7:00 AM NZDT; Chance of Freezing Rain. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Freezing Rain. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Overcast. High:31 F. / -1 C.; Overcast. Low:29 F. / -2 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 F. (1 more message)

19:02 <xcamel> summer heatwave there...

19:02 <wdsmia> warmer there than here

19:02 <PriitM> &weather tallinn

19:02 <Romulus> PriitM: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 1:50 AM EET; Chance of Rain. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Rain. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Overcast. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F. / -2 C.;

19:02 <E-30> yea

19:03 <PriitM> &weather tartu

19:03 <Romulus> PriitM: Temperature: 33°F / 1°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Mist | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 9mph / 14km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM EET; Chance of Rain. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Overcast. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Chance of Snow. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F. / -2 C.;

19:03 <efc> &weather Slana

19:03 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -11.0F / -23.9C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 27.55in / 932.8hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Light snow with accumulations up to 2 inches. Patchy fog. Highs 5 below to 5 above. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of snow in the evening. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 5 to 15 below. Light winds becoming south 10 (1 more message)

19:03 <PriitM> amazing, it can find even small cities

19:03 <PriitM> &weather vru

19:03 <Romulus> PriitM: Overcast. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Overcast. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Chance of Snow. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F. / -3 C.; Overcast. High:28 F. / -2 C.; Overcast. Low:22 F. / -6 C.;

19:03 <efc> Slana is population 110 in alaska

19:03 <PriitM> 14 000 in vru

19:03 <briareus> &weather scottsdale

19:03 <efc> Yakutsk is relatively big considering its a miserable frozen wasteland

19:03 <Romulus> briareus: Temperature: 57.6F / 14.2C | Humidity: 29% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1003.6hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows 30 to 40. Light wind.; Monday - Sunny...warmer. Highs 62 to 67. North wind 10 to 20 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Breezy. Lows 34 to 42. Northeast wind 15 to 25 mph.;

19:04 <E-30> lol

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19:15 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

19:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 84°F / 29°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM ART; Scattered Clouds. High:95 F. / 35 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:78 F. / 26 C.; Chance of Rain. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:78 F. / 26 C.; Chance of Rain. High:87 F. / 31 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:80 F. (1 more message)

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19:19 <E-30>    lol

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19:44 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: ping

20:00 <xcamel> pong

20:01 <xcamel> another massive weathergasm...

20:03 <briareus> cool

20:03 <briareus> I wish I was getting dumped on. I need to move out of this pleasant climate.

20:04 <xcamel> hasn't started yet...

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20:42 <xcamel> lol - snowing for an hour now aloft - still none hitting the ground...

20:43 <xcamel> efc:  Rain Saves Atlanta From Drought Record

20:43 <xcamel> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071231/D8TS40P80.html

20:43 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MTK> (at apnews.myway.com)

20:44 <xcamel> I'm sure you hadn't been able to tell...

20:47 <xcamel> anyone know if cosmology is working any better now?

20:53 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:53 <Tank_Master> sorry about that

20:53 <Tank_Master> my team is doing a chunch-a-thon there for the weekend

20:54 <Tank_Master> but last I heard there was work again

20:54 <briareus> cosmology?

20:54 <efc> Ah we got that much? I'd heard we didn't

20:54 <Tank_Master> yep

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21:00 <efc> &weather Lake Minchumina

21:00 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -6F / -21C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows 10 to 20 below. Light winds.; Monday - Cloudy. Snow developing west of Tanana with less than 1 inch accumulation. Chance of snow from Tanana east. Highs 5 above to 5 below. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. (1 more message)

21:00 <Tank_Master> &more efc

21:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: A chance of snow. Lows 5 to 15 below. Northeast winds 5 to 15 mph.;

21:00 <briareus> I noticed some oddities with a couple of the stats pages recently. what's your preferred stats page?

21:01 <Tank_Master> boincstats

21:01 <efc> Its amazing we can get weather on these places.. I don't know if the people in those places are getting weather reports that good

21:02 <Tank_Master> &weather North Pole

21:02 <efc> Even more amazing, I look them up on wikipedia, and somebody has a disagreement about them

21:02 <Tank_Master> hehe

21:02 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:03 <efc> &weather faeroe island

21:03 <Romulus> efc: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:03 <Tank_Master> doh!

21:03 <efc> &weather faeroe islands

21:03 <Romulus> efc: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:03 <efc> He's had that one before

21:04 <efc> &weather Jan Mayen

21:04 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 35°F / 2°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 36mph / 58km/h | Updated: 1:00 AM CET; Overcast. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Overcast. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Rain. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Overcast. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.;

21:08 <efc> &weather Svalbard

21:08 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 7°F / -14°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 2:50 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:10 F. / -12 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:0 F. / -18 C.; Overcast. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Overcast. Low:19 F. / -7 C.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F. / -3 C.;

21:16 <xcamel> cripes..

21:16 <xcamel> rom is sweating...

21:17 <Tank_Master> ?

21:23 <briareus> romulus the bot

21:23 <Romulus> briareus: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <http://pysqlite.org/>

21:23 <briareus> hehe, see?

21:24 <efc> &weather Alert, Canada

21:24 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -29°F / -34°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM MST; Partly Cloudy. High:-20 F. / -29 C.; Overcast. Low:-22 F. / -30 C.; Overcast. High:-13 F. / -25 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:-16 F. / -27 C.; Chance of Snow. High:-3 F. / -19 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:-6 F. / -21 C.;

21:24 <efc> A series I call "places you wouldn't want to live"

21:24 <briareus> &weather guam

21:24 <Romulus> briareus: Temperature: 86F / 30C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy with isolated showers. East winds 15 to 20 mph. Highs around 87.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with isolated showers. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Lows around 78.; New Years Day through Wednesday - Partly cloudy with isolated showers. (1 more message)

21:25 <briareus> ...places that might be nicer

21:25 <xcamel> &weather resolute, canada

21:25 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: -31°F / -35°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM CST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 40 percent chance of flurries late this evening. Low -36C(-33F).; Monday - A few clouds. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) early in the afternoon. High -30C(-22F). Wind chill -47 in the (1 more message)

21:25 <efc> I guess you'd have to be resolute to hang out there

21:25 * wdsmia wonders if this #Boinc or the weather channel

21:25 <efc> Its amazing they have weather reports for places with 15 residents

21:26 <efc> Thats probably the main function of the town.. to keep the weather station going

21:27 <xcamel> &weather Kara, russia

21:27 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 89°F / 32°C | Humidity: 12% | Pressure: 29.75in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM GMT; Clear. High:96 F. / 36 C.; Clear. Low:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Clear. Low:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:66 F. / 19 C.;

21:27 <xcamel> hell that aint right..

21:27 <Tank_Master> lol

21:28 <xcamel> &weather Archangelsk

21:28 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:29 <xcamel> &weather Archangel Russia

21:29 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:29 <MTughan> No, I don't think you can get colder than Alert.

21:29 <MTughan> Believe it or not, but it's an army base. :P

21:29 <xcamel> &weather Arkhangel, Russia

21:30 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:30 <xcamel> nope..

21:30 <PovAddict> well, got my timezone right on the computer

21:30 <MTughan> So it's 12:30 now?

21:30 <PovAddict> yesh

21:30 <PovAddict> couldn't figure out how to "fix" it on my dad's mac tho

21:31 <Tank_Master> thats easy

21:31 <MTughan> Uncheck the option that says to use Internet time.

21:31 <PovAddict> problem is, most people will probably "fix" it by changing the clock 1 hour...

21:31 <Tank_Master> install linux or windows

21:31 <PovAddict> stfu TM

21:31 <Tank_Master> ;)

21:31 <MTughan> There's an option to use Internet time from an NNTP server.

21:31 <Tank_Master> hey, at least I have brauden my horizzens

21:31 <MTughan> broaden*

21:31 <PovAddict> MTughan: so? that sets the GMT time

21:31 <MTughan> Shows you how good the Windows spellchecker is...

21:32 <PovAddict> NTP servers don't know or care about timezones

21:32 <MTughan> And it's "horizons".

21:32 <MTughan> Yeah.

21:32 <xcamel> &weather Longyearbyen

21:32 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:32 <xcamel> sheesh

21:32 <MTughan> You need country if it's not in US or Canada.

21:32 <PovAddict> lies

21:32 <MTughan> &weather Alert

21:32 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

21:32 <efc> There is colder than alert... Yakutsk in winter gets stinking cold

21:32 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: -29°F / -34°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM MST; Partly Cloudy. High:-20 F. / -29 C.; Overcast. Low:-22 F. / -30 C.; Overcast. High:-13 F. / -25 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:-16 F. / -27 C.; Chance of Snow. High:-3 F. / -19 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:-6 F. / -21 (1 more message)

21:32 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 84°F / 29°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM ART; Scattered Clouds. High:95 F. / 35 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:78 F. / 26 C.; Chance of Rain. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:78 F. / 26 C.; Chance of Rain. High:87 F. / 31 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:80 F. (1 more message)

21:33 <MTughan> Huh...

21:33 <efc> in general thats the coldest one I've found

21:33 <efc> during winter

21:33 <xcamel> &weather Longyearbyen, Svalbard

21:33 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:33 <xcamel> &weather Svalbard

21:33 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 7°F / -14°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 2:50 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:10 F. / -12 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:0 F. / -18 C.; Overcast. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Overcast. Low:19 F. / -7 C.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F. / -3 C.;

21:33 <xcamel> close enough

21:33 <MTughan> Guess if it's a big enough city, country's not needed. How big, I don't know.

21:33 <MTughan> Hmm...

21:33 <efc> The nastiest seem to be the deep inland towns

21:34 <MTughan> &weather North Pole

21:34 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:34 <efc> If close to water, they don't tend to be as bad

21:34 <MTughan> :(

21:34 <MTughan> Alert's right by the Arctic Ocean.

21:35 <efc> Well if the ocean is frozen it quits helping :p

21:35 <MTughan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Canada_topo.jpg See?

21:35 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MTn> (at upload.wikimedia.org)

21:36 <efc> &weather Etah

21:36 <Romulus> efc: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:36 <Tank_Master> &weather earth

21:36 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: Could not find weather information.  (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.)

21:36 <MTughan> lol

21:36 <xcamel> btw.. google earth is really working in linux now...

21:36 <Tank_Master> good

21:37 <MTughan> Oh, for those who said that AMD was still behind, you can overclock the processor while in Windows.

21:37 <MTughan> And without any other tools.

21:38 <MTughan> I found a review about the Phenom. Long, but it's concise. http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/index.html

21:38 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MTq> (at www.tomshardware.com)

21:39 <xcamel> I keep going back to those shuttle xpc's - some of them are pretty amazing for the size..

21:42 <wdsmia> &weather 82224

21:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 20F / -6.7C | Humidity: -999% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of snow showers. Windy. Lows around 10 above. West winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts to 40 mph. Wind chill readings 10 below to zero.; Monday - Patchy blowing snow in the morning. Mostly cloudy with a 20 (1 more message)

21:42 <wdsmia> Lost Springs, Wyoming population 1

21:43 <xcamel> Good article, Mike..

21:44 <MTughan> I really like the idea of the OverDrive program.

21:44 <MTughan> So it seems that Intel beats AMD in raw speed, but AMD has more value, more OCing, and more power efficient features.

21:44 <MTughan> Overall, quite appealing...

21:45 <MTughan> However, they will be releasing more models next year, so I'll hold off until then at least.

21:45 <MTughan> Maybe RAM and MB prices will come down in that time.

21:46 <PovAddict> heh, 1 bit/sec bandwidth...

21:46 <PovAddict> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77

21:46 <Romulus> Title: DCF77 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

21:46 <PovAddict> enough for its usage tho

21:47 <MTughan> Cool...

21:48 <MTughan> That's a massive range...

21:48 <PovAddict> I have a clock that attempts to use that signal

21:48 <PovAddict> (obviously without success)

21:48 <MTughan> lol

21:49 <xcamel> cripes... 42 pages.. bookmarked for later reading...

21:50 <MTughan> Oh, reminds me... Seems I'll have to replace my PSU too. May not have enough wattage and is missing some connectors too.

21:50 <MTughan> Because of a new ATX spec.

21:50 <Tank_Master> you refering to the new 8pin 12v connector?

21:50 <MTughan> Yeah.

21:50 <Tank_Master> it should be backward compattible with the 4pin

21:50 <MTughan> Mine only has the 4pin.

21:51 <MTughan> Really?

21:51 <Tank_Master> yep

21:51 <Tank_Master> just like the 20/24pin connectors

21:51 <MTughan> "Do not forget to connect the 8-pin ATX +12 V power plug; otherwise, the system will not boot."

21:51 <Tank_Master> Ive used the 4 pin on a intel quad w/o peoblems

21:51 <MTughan> Well, it may not have enough wattage anyway. The lowest power model of this series is 330W.

21:52 <Tank_Master> what mobo?

21:52 <MTughan> I'm looking at the M3A32-MVP.

21:52 <MTughan> ASUS, AM2+ socket.

21:52 <xcamel> there is an adapter for that..

21:52 <MTughan> Once again, I may not have enough wattage.

21:53 <xcamel> Hell.. I wouldn't run that at less than 500w

21:53 <Tank_Master> lol

21:53 <MTughan> Yeah. The highest power model of this series is 550W.

21:53 <MTughan> Which is what I'm looking at anyway.

21:53 <xcamel> my quad needs serverspec @ 550w

21:53 <xcamel> ie: supercamel

21:54 <MTughan> This is what I'm looking at: http://www.canadacomputers.com/main.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=011023&cid=PS.808

21:54 <MTughan> brb

21:54 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MTy> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

21:55 <efc> Did you find any reasonable multi-socket MBs ?

21:55 <xcamel> one of the little shuttle boxes will run either core2 extreme or core2 quad

21:55 <xcamel> phase change/heatpipe cooling

21:56 <xcamel> that site is slow

21:56 <MTughan> efc: Not where I was looking. I'm sure there are some, but nothing that I found.

21:57 <xcamel> trupower are pretty good..

21:57 <MTughan> xcamel: Yeah, that's what I like about the mobos I found. Both have heatpipes, and I can get better fans.

21:57 <MTughan> You mean Canada Computers' site?

21:57 <MTughan> I have noticed they've been slow for the past day or so.

21:57 <xcamel> yup

21:58 <MTughan> The Antec's seem good. That's what I have now, no problems at all.

21:58 <xcamel> well... off with me... gots to go in to work tomorrow...

21:58 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

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21:58 <MTughan> Oh, and about the heat issue too... My case comes with 4 fans. :P

21:58 <MTughan> cya

21:59 <Tank_Master> gn xcamel

22:09 <MTughan> Here's some features of OverDrive... http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10427&page=14

22:09 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MU+> (at www.hexus.net)

22:13 <Tank_Master> Sadly, Intel's SSE4.1 and AMD's SSE4a are incompatible with one another - a fact that may soon cause problems for programmers and users alike.

22:13 <Tank_Master> that bytes

22:15 <MTughan> The page after the one I posted has some value comparisons. They compare three areas, and the dual-core is better in the first two. When it comes to multitasking though, the quads easily beat out the dual-core.

22:15 <MTughan> Guess where BOINC falls?

22:15 <Tank_Master> dual?

22:15 <Tank_Master> ;)

22:16 <MTughan> lol

22:16 <MTughan> Okay, so while the Phenom's can overclock well, seems the Core 2 Quad can OC "like a bat out of hell."

22:17 <Tank_Master> Since the Hypertransport protocol is downward compatible, users will be able to plug the Phenom into older AM2 socket boards as well as the new AM2+ generation.

22:17 <Tank_Master> this is a good thing ;)

22:18 <MTughan> Oh yeah. Although if I do go for the AMD, I'll be getting an AM2+ board.

22:18 <Tank_Master> would make since

22:18 <Tank_Master> better performance

22:19 <MTughan> "Since" and "sense" are vastly different works there, TM...

22:19 <Tank_Master> but they both take up the same amount of space

22:19 <MTughan> lol

22:19 <MTughan> Technically, "since" actually takes up less space...

22:20 <MTughan> Compare ASCII values. :P

22:20 <Tank_Master> depends on the font used as to if they take the same # of pixle width

22:21 <Tank_Master> and 000010 take up the same amount of binary space as 100001

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22:22 <MTughan> Hehe... Government's dropping tax rate from 6% to 5% on Tues. Will save me about $10 on the upgrade. :P

22:22 <Tank_Master> sheesh

22:22 <MTughan> Now if only the provincial government could do the same... We currently pay 8% to them.

22:23 <PovAddict> taxes ftl

22:23 <MTughan> Wish we were like Alberta... The pay no taxes on retail purchases to the provincial government. That accounts for about $70...

22:24 <MTughan> &math calc 900 * 0.05

22:24 <Romulus> MTughan: 45

22:24 <MTughan> &math calc 900 * 0.13

22:24 <Romulus> MTughan: 117

22:24 <MTughan> That just sucks.

22:25 <PovAddict> hey

22:25 <PovAddict> our VAT is 21%

22:25 <PovAddict> beat that

22:25 <MTughan> Ouch.

22:26 <PovAddict> we don't notice because almost all prices have VAT included

22:26 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/New%20Computer%20Spec.ods

22:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MUN> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

22:26 <MTughan> That's my pricing sheet.

22:27 <PovAddict> comparing the two offers I was getting for my computer (Intel vs AMD), it was a lot cheaper to go AMD

22:28 <MTughan> Yeah, prices don't include any taxes here. The only thing that does is gas, aka petrol.

22:28 <MTughan> I'm cheaper by only about $10-20.

22:28 <MTughan> $20 for the AMD chip, and about $5 more for the MB. Otherwise, same parts.

22:29 <MTughan> Sorry, $20 less for the AMD...

22:29 <quail> afternoon :-)

22:29 <MTughan> 'lo quail

22:30 <MTughan> Ah, this is cool... A comparison of the Phenom 9900 against a similar Intel...

22:31 <MTughan> 2.6GHz.

22:31 <PovAddict> this was the initial offer I got: http://rafb.net/p/N5sprI39.html

22:31 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)

22:32 <PovAddict> I got the AMD, except with 2GB RAM and the AMD 4200 (and I think those prices weren't counting the surround speakers, video capture card, and maybe something else)

22:34 <PovAddict> omg

22:34 <PovAddict> I opened your stylesheet's internal files

22:34 <MTughan> Okay, so my computer will be slightly more capable than yours.

22:34 <PovAddict> content.xml has a dozen or two namespaces defined

22:35 <MTughan> Mostly because of the quad-core processor and DDR2 1066 RAM.

22:35 <MTughan> I don't know how nVidia GPUs compare to ATI GPUs.

22:35 <MTughan> Looking at the Radeon HD2600.

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22:36 <PovAddict> oh was GPU there?

22:36 <PovAddict> ok ignore that too then

22:36 <MTughan> In the spreadsheet or your paste?

22:36 <PovAddict> I got a GeForce 6800 GT

22:36 <Tank_Master> mine is a GeForce 8600 ultra ;)

22:37 <PovAddict> 8600*

22:37 <Tank_Master> 68*

22:37 <PovAddict> lol we both got em swapped

22:37 <Tank_Master> rofl, we both screw up

22:37 <PovAddict> MTughan: first line of content.xml on your spreadsheet http://pastebin.ca/839642

22:37 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 839642 (at pastebin.ca)

22:37 <MTughan> Wait... TM got a GeForce 6800 Ultra, and Pov got the 8600 GT?

22:37 <MTughan> Stupid connection keeps dropping...

22:38 <MTughan> lol

22:38 <PovAddict> styles.xml has a similar insane amount of namespaces

22:40 <Tank_Master> yes, MT, your correct about the vid cards

22:40 <PovAddict> you're*

22:41 <Tank_Master> this is a chat room, its the prefered lingo here

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22:43 <MTughan> Sorry, what was that about?

22:43 <PovAddict> wut

22:43 <MTughan> Had a Windows sharing issue.

22:44 <PovAddict> windows no shares

22:44 <MTughan> lol

22:44 <PovAddict> selfish

22:57 <MTughan> Looks like I'm leaning more to the Intel side at this point.

22:58 <MTughan> Whether that stays the same in the new year with both new Penryn Intel chips and faster Phenom chips...

22:58 <MTughan> That's up in the air.

22:58 <Tank_Master> yeah

22:58 <Tank_Master> I will agree with that

22:58 <Tank_Master> but in Q3, things on the intel side will change drasticly

22:58 <MTughan> Although AMD does have a much stronger argument for it.

22:58 <MTughan> Than before, I mean.

22:58 <PovAddict> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/attack.jpg

22:58 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/gf1> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)

22:59 <MTughan> lol

22:59 <PovAddict> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/funny-pictures-cat-included-box.jpg

22:59 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MUm> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)

22:59 <MTughan> Saw that one...

22:59 <MTughan> Tank_Master: What's happening in Q3 with Intel?

22:59 <PovAddict> looool

22:59 <PovAddict> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/128338636875781250hovercat.jpg

22:59 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/z$b> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)

22:59 <PovAddict> glass table

22:59 <MTughan> And I assume you mean Q3 2007.

22:59 <MTughan> 2008*

22:59 <PovAddict> that's great

23:00 <Tank_Master> no, Q3 2008

23:00 <Tank_Master> next year

23:00 <Tank_Master> New chip will be out

23:00 <MTughan> Yeah, damning isn't how one digit can be off like that...

23:00 <Tank_Master> with intergrated mem controler AND video

23:00 <MTughan> Ew.

23:00 <Tank_Master> tri-channle DDR3 support for the high end

23:00 <MTughan> Integrated video? No thanks...

23:01 <PovAddict> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/im-on-ur-broom-goin-2-hogwarts.jpg

23:01 <Tank_Master> the intergrated vid will be for the laptop and extreamly low end desktops

23:01 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MUo> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)

23:01 <Tank_Master> the chip with tri-channle DDR3 wont have vid  on it

23:03 <PovAddict> zomg http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/wuterml0n.jpg

23:03 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1MUs> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)

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