IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-01-09

00:01 <MTughan> &cad

00:01 <Romulus>

00:01 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:01 <Romulus>

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00:11 <Tank_Master> wabit

00:11 <Wabbit67> yo yo

00:11 <Tank_Master> sup?

00:11 * Wabbit67 trys to look cool

00:12 <Tank_Master> not doing to well

00:12 <Wabbit67> I know

00:12 <Tank_Master> ;)

00:12 <Wabbit67> the POEM finally finished

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00:14 <MTughan> c0dey!

00:14 <Wabbit67> where is my code?

00:14 <Wabbit67> finally got back into regular Seti

00:14 <Wabbit67> only took me like two years to figure it out

00:16 <Tank_Master> lol

00:16 <Wabbit67> I made up a fake email addy

00:16 <Wabbit67> I do not know if it even exists

00:18 <Tank_Master> I see your city is hummin along nice n slow ;)

00:18 <Wabbit67> it is

00:18 <Wabbit67> since we Knights only do things with no point with a lot of viger

00:18 <Tank_Master> we now have 2% unimployment and 98% transportation

00:19 <Tank_Master> oh well, itll sort itsself out soon enough ;)

00:19 <Wabbit67> you need to take care of them

00:19 <Tank_Master> in due time

00:19 <Tank_Master>

00:19 <Romulus> Title: MyMiniCity (at

00:20 <Wabbit67>

00:20 <Tank_Master> Ive been to yours already today

00:20 <Tank_Master> added pop this time

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00:20 <Wabbit67>

00:20 <Tank_Master> wb Z!

00:20 <Wabbit67> for zombie\

00:20 <Tank_Master>

00:20 <Romulus> Title: MyMiniCity (at

00:20 <Tank_Master> for z

00:20 <zombie67> DING!  100,000 in TSP!

00:20 <Tank_Master> congrats!

00:21 <Wabbit67> zombie all Brute Force or some GA?

00:21 <zombie67> Thanks.  Still 17.6k pending

00:21 <Tank_Master> I have 50k in tsp

00:21 <zombie67> mixed

00:21 <zombie67> I will probably get only ~13k awarded, since the OSX app is so much slower

00:22 <Tank_Master> ouch

00:22 <zombie67> yeah

00:22 <Tank_Master> but its better than none

00:22 <MTughan> Not my fault...

00:22 <Tank_Master> LOL

00:22 <zombie67> heh

00:22 <zombie67> no blame

00:22 <Tank_Master> &insult MTughan

00:22 <Romulus> MTughan - You are nothing but a currish quart of crook-pated eel.

00:22 <MTughan> All I do is compile it.

00:23 <Wabbit67> Scotty says the engines need to compile faster

00:23 <zombie67> with my 6 XP64 boxes doing nothing but BF, it should even out the under-awarding of my osx boxes

00:25 <Tank_Master> :)

00:25 <zombie67> OTOH, if I got paired up with other OSX boxes, my OSX boxes would get what they claimed.  Time to get more OSX boxes, or turn on HR

00:25 <zombie67> HR is cheaper.....

00:25 <zombie67> =;^)

00:25 <Wabbit67> time to visit the local university and borg some boxen

00:25 <MTughan> HR?

00:25 <Wabbit67> Human Resources?

00:26 <Tank_Master> Homo redundency

00:26 <zombie67> geez, I thought we were on #boinc....

00:26 <Tank_Master> &cyborg HR

00:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: H.R.: Harm Replicant

00:26 <zombie67> homogeneous redundancy

00:26 <zombie67> server-side setting that groups same OS/HW groups

00:26 <Wabbit67> you just assume I know anything

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00:27 <zombie67> heh

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00:27 <Tank_Master> silly wabbit!

00:27 <Wabbit98> all I can help in alpha projects is this : "its not working and it seems to be doing this."

00:27 <Wabbit98> I can't provide really technical details

00:27 <Tank_Master> "this is #@$@ed up"

00:28 <Wabbit98> basicallty

00:29 <Wabbit98> or along the lines of "it made the computer crash again."  I said that often in BOINC Beta, in the early days

00:29 <zombie67> don't forget helping hints like:  they solved something similar to this, over in project X.  talk to their admin.

00:30 <Tank_Master> or "thats is a known issue, its being worked on"

00:30 <Wabbit98> or "no graphics and stop asking."

00:30 <Wabbit98> I think someone wanted a screensaver for PrimeGrid

00:31 <zombie67> snort

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00:31 <zombie67> screensavers wast crunching speed!

00:31 <zombie67> brb

00:31 <Wabbit98> hehehe

00:32 <Wabbit98> or the time SZTAKI went nuts with work

00:32 <Wabbit98> and with no checkpointing

00:32 <MTughan> lol

00:32 <Wabbit98> MT how long have you been around BOINC?

00:32 <Tank_Master> that SUCKED

00:32 <Wabbit98> and LHC with the amazing disseaping worked

00:32 <MTughan> I think I started May '06.

00:32 <Tank_Master> would go for days then end with "max CPU exceeded"

00:33 <Wabbit98> RCN sucked until they cut down on the 150+ hour WUs and got checkpointing

00:33 <Wabbit98> TM that is why I stopped SZTAKI for awhile

00:33 <Tank_Master> same here

00:33 <Wabbit98> I love it when CPDN would error out like a month into a WU

00:34 <Tank_Master>

00:34 <Romulus> <> (at

00:34 <Tank_Master> Intel show off 4GHz Skulltrail PC

00:34 <MTughan> Sucks for me right now because I'm about 200 credits away from 100,000 in E@H...

00:34 <Tank_Master> nice mark

00:34 <Wabbit98> I use to like Einstein

00:34 <zombie67> DA is scolding projects that award more than SETI

00:34 <MTughan> Does he have a list?

00:35 <Wabbit98> geez

00:35 <Wabbit98> DA needs to get working on AP

00:35 <Wabbit98> and not stick his nose into other projects

00:35 <zombie67> he points at

00:35 <Romulus> <> (at

00:35 <Tank_Master> thats not a good measure

00:35 <Tank_Master> dosent show OS or CPU type

00:36 <MTughan> According to that, RS is 4x higher than S@H.

00:37 <MTughan> Next down is Cosmology at 1.684.

00:37 <Tank_Master> RS isnt THAT much more

00:38 <MTughan> I wouldn't think so.

00:38 <MTughan> 4.348 (1260)

00:38 <Tank_Master> if it were, youd see all the credit whores flocking to it

00:38 <Wabbit98> hey

00:38 * Wabbit98 is a proud stats whore

00:38 <Tank_Master> what?

00:38 <MTughan> And DA would be steaming mad. :P

00:38 <MTughan> lol wabbit

00:38 <Tank_Master> same here

00:38 <MTughan> Aren't we all?

00:39 <Tank_Master> probably

00:39 <MTughan> Most are anyway.

00:39 <Tank_Master> I think DA has gotten wind of the 4x

00:39 <Tank_Master> bryanUC was asking what to do about it, and if it was true

00:39 <zombie67> look at my download page for a transcript

00:39 <MTughan> The ironic thing is, I was trying a little while ago to make an RS app for Mac. :P

00:39 <zombie67> ~ 7 posts

00:40 <zombie67>

00:40 <Romulus> Title: "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken (at

00:41 <Tank_Master> that txt fine is impossible to read

00:41 <zombie67> yeah, MT, what happened with that?

00:41 <zombie67> huh?

00:41 <MTughan> I got stuck on ASM issues.

00:41 <Tank_Master> theres no breaks

00:41 <MTughan> Yes, there are.

00:41 <MTughan> Is it opening with Notepad?

00:42 <Tank_Master> yes

00:42 <MTughan> Open it with Wordpad.

00:42 <zombie67> who neads breaks?  there are only 7 posts for crying out loud

00:42 <MTughan> No, no newlines at all. I've seen it before.

00:42 <zombie67> kids today, and their fancy GUIs

00:42 <MTughan> It's like one big line of text.

00:43 <Tank_Master> ahh, thats better

00:43 <zombie67> it's plain txt, not rich

00:43 <MTughan> It's because the line breaks are saved as Unix format. Windows uses \r\n for a newline, Unix uses just \n.

00:44 <zombie67> stupid windows

00:44 <Wabbit98> the plain text is the working middle class being run out of town by the rich text

00:44 <MTughan> Notepad will choke on it, but Wordpad works correctly.

00:44 <Romulus> half tempted to say its large

00:44 <zombie67> heh

00:44 <zombie67> msft always has to fsck with a well established standard

00:44 <MTughan> Yep.

00:45 <MTughan> Although that standard was probably set in DOS.

00:45 <zombie67> can you tell the projects I referenced?

00:45 <zombie67> =;^)

00:50 <MTughan> Anyway, I need to be off to bed. Night all!

00:51 <Tank_Master> gn MT

00:51 <Wabbit98> night MT

00:51 <Wabbit98> compile in your dreams

00:52 <MTughan> lol

00:52 <Romulus> Im moving up fast :)

00:53 <zombie67> gn!

00:54 <zombie67> MW is down AGAIN

00:55 <Tank_Master> and your supprised?

00:56 <zombie67> not really, they are still looking for the cause

01:01 <zombie67> poem is adding a intel/osx app tomorrow

01:04 <Tank_Master> nice

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01:34 <zombie67> already making an impact....

01:34 <Romulus> <> (at

01:34 <efc> What the.. there's tortellini in my ravioli!

01:36 <zombie67> there peanutbutter in my chocolate!

01:37 <Wabbit98> whats that soup doing on my fly

01:37 <zombie67> aha!  aha!

01:38 <Tank_Master> what project is that link for?

01:38 <Wabbit98> a new one

01:38 <zombie67> TM!  are you not up to speed?

01:38 <Wabbit98> I know

01:39 <Wabbit98> you are behind man

01:39 <Wabbit98> time to let us youngins take over

01:39 <Tank_Master> yes, it would appear that I am behind

01:40 <zombie67> us?

01:40 <zombie67> I am the old fart

01:40 <wdsmia> asks zombie67 to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

01:40 <zombie67> fart

01:40 <wdsmia> asks zombie67 to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

01:40 <zombie67> geeze

01:41 <Wabbit98> wow

01:41 <Wabbit98> you can't be that old

01:41 <Wabbit98> only like 100?

01:45 <zombie67> 67....

01:47 <Wabbit98> oh

01:48 <zombie67> DOB, not YO

01:48 <Wabbit98> not that old

01:48 <zombie67> I am 40

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02:11 *** FreeLarry is now known as FreeLarry58

02:13 <FreeLarry58> this week I am 05

02:14 <FreeLarry58> second,third, etc childhood for me - at least for little bit

02:15 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

02:15 <Tank_Master> &more

02:15 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 40.4F / 4.7C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers before midnight...then showers likely after midnight. Lows around 35. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph...decreasing to 5 to 15 mph after midnight.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs 40 to 45. Light (1 more message)

02:15 <Romulus> Tank_Master: wind...becoming southeast 5 to 15 mph late in the day.; Wednesday Night - Rain. Lows 35 to 40. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Near The Gorge...east wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 40 mph.;

02:15 <Tank_Master> ??

02:15 <Tank_Master> something die?

02:16 <Tank_Master> LOL

02:16 <FreeLarry58> looks more like crossed

02:16 <FreeLarry58> &weather 98366

02:16 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 35.8F / 2.1C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.50in / 998.9hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h ; Tonight - Showers likely. Lows in the 30s. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs in the lower to mid 40s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday Night - Rain developing. Lows in the mid 30s to (1 more message)

02:16 <FreeLarry58> &more

02:16 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: lower 40s. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph.;

02:17 <Tank_Master> &sleep

02:17 <Romulus> Man I'm tired! Time to hit the sack ;)

02:17 <efc> &weather 31088

02:17 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 62F / 16C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning then becoming partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of showers. Highs in the upper 60s. Light (1 more message)

02:17 * FreeLarry58 polishes up the bed of nails for Romulus

02:17 <Tank_Master> man, the bot needs to be taking nibbles, its choking on its bytes

02:17 <FreeLarry58> lol

02:18 <Tank_Master> gn

02:18 <FreeLarry58> k looks like im the coldest currently

02:18 <FreeLarry58> &nn tamar

02:18 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

02:18 <FreeLarry58> oops Tank_Master

02:19 <FreeLarry58> snow finally all melted in front yard - still a little to go in back yard

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02:21 <Tank_Master> we finally had snow fall last night

02:21 <efc> &weather yakutsk

02:21 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -45°F / -43°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM YAKT; Overcast. High:-45 F. / -43 C.; Overcast. Low:-52 F. / -47 C.; Overcast. High:-49 F. / -45 C.; Overcast. Low:-54 F. / -48 C.; Overcast. High:-43 F. / -42 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:-49 F. / -45 C.;

02:24 <FreeLarry58> any ideas how to fix this error on 64 bit linux?

02:24 <FreeLarry58> Executing ./blender -y -b ./in.blend -F PNG -t 1 -f 2270 0.859375 0 0.875 0.5

02:24 <FreeLarry58> ./blender: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

02:24 <FreeLarry58> Child created.

02:25 <efc> I should move there just so I can complain about the cold

02:25 <FreeLarry58> ahh you should try iowa for that

02:25 <FreeLarry58> i moved here to be warm in winter

02:26 <FreeLarry58> but if you really want to complain of cold make it north of I-80

02:27 <FreeLarry58> and on the Mississippi River

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02:50 <FreeLarry58> so Wabbit67 and Wabbit98 the same

02:50 <Wabbit67> yep

02:50 <FreeLarry58> always knew rabbits multiplied fast

02:51 <FreeLarry58> now we know how

02:51 <FreeLarry58> ;)

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02:56 <FreeLarry58> didn't mean to scare them off

02:56 <Soul_keeper> it happens ...

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03:41 <Lorvija> hey, is there any wireless security experts here?

03:42 <FreeLarry58> robably not but whats the question anywho

03:42 <Lorvija> well my uni is using wpa-enterprise security... now i got ethernet bridge which i want to connect there.. and it asks for certificate...

03:42 <Lorvija> is it private or public certificate it's asking and how to get it..

03:44 <FreeLarry58> hows south africa - i wonder if its just not asking the key code for wpa - if actual certificate you can probably gen one locally for local lan but not sure how

03:45 <Lorvija> it's using wpa enterprise... so thats why no keycode.. well i can use keycode but it'll expire every 2 weeks

03:45 <Lorvija> wpa personal uses passphrase

03:45 <FreeLarry58>

03:45 <Romulus> Title: Wi-Fi Protected Access - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

03:45 <Lorvija> yep i did read that

03:45 <Lorvija> didnt say much about certificates

03:45 <FreeLarry58> humm goes to looks some more

03:46 <FreeLarry58> unders standards?

03:46 <Romulus> <> (at

03:47 <FreeLarry58> what certificate maybe what standard?

03:48 <Lorvija> right, that page looks nice.. how could i miss it :/

03:48 <Lorvija> Thawte Premium Server CA <-- thats all i know

03:48 <Romulus> no marine moisture layer either?

03:49 <Lorvija> ahh.. right

03:50 <Lorvija> i thought ttls = tls but no (: now i understand.. seems i gotta change the damn password every 2 weeks :E

03:50 <Lorvija> ow well it still saves me 50e/month (:

03:51 <FreeLarry58>

03:51 <Romulus> <> (at

03:51 <FreeLarry58> sounds more like local policy control certificate to me

03:53 <Lorvija>

03:53 <Romulus> Title: Extensible Authentication Protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

03:53 <Lorvija> well it's that i was looking for.. it seems (:

03:54 <FreeLarry58> looks good to me

03:54 <Lorvija> though my bridge doesnt support it :E

03:54 <FreeLarry58> ark

03:55 <FreeLarry58> need to look at what it does support then

03:55 <Lorvija> but it does support PEAP.. which should also work @ uni

03:55 <Lorvija> notice the SHOULD :P

03:55 <Lorvija> well i get to test it tomorrow i gues

03:55 <FreeLarry58> but should still be similar humm that soulnd like the message link

03:56 <FreeLarry58>

03:56 <Romulus> <> (at

03:56 <FreeLarry58> it also is university set up

03:56 <Lorvija> yep, though we dont need certificate (:

03:57 <FreeLarry58> nope just the file set up with user/pw and tunneling?

03:57 <FreeLarry58> then you set policy on pw changes

03:57 <Lorvija> i guess.. (:

03:58 * FreeLarry58 makes sound easy but has head up dark place

03:58 <Lorvija> maybe i could send some email to uni.. though they did say when i asked if i could connect the bridge that i may do so but they dont give any support for that :P

03:59 <FreeLarry58> hey where did the engineer sneak bacl into my thoughts

03:59 <FreeLarry58> just might need a little more info from them or from you to them for thier security

04:00 <Lorvija> file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator/Desktop/testi/tekniikka.htm

04:00 <Lorvija> whops

04:00 <Lorvija>

04:00 <Lorvija> that one

04:00 <Romulus> <> (at

04:00 <Lorvija> in finnish though

04:00 <FreeLarry58> don't think i'll be able to look at first one

04:00 <Lorvija> but the table should be readable

04:01 <Lorvija> when using the eap-peap thingy we need to use some random password which changes every 2 week

04:02 <FreeLarry58> so keep the students busy and i see you tunneling trying MD5 for staff connections so longer stability

04:03 * FreeLarry58 thinks students love to share pw's

04:03 <Lorvija> hmm why to share pw when everyone has their own? (:

04:03 <FreeLarry58> so don't get caught using own account to view or dl objectionables

04:04 <FreeLarry58> lol

04:04 <Lorvija> and nope, the bridge doest support the lower row option... :/

04:04 <Romulus> and demand food from humans

04:04 <Lorvija> well we got  ~10 000 ppl there so i guess they cant monitor everyone

04:04 <FreeLarry58> but each nic or modem has own hardware mac addy also

04:04 <Lorvija> besides i thought of using vpn tunnel to my home machine when downloading pron etc ;)

04:04 <Lorvija> aye

04:04 <Lorvija> also i can change the mac on the bridge too (:

04:05 <FreeLarry58> so still tracable if set up correctly

04:05 <Lorvija> and there were couple open networks too which i can use

04:05 <Lorvija> yes trackable but they have no idea what i'm donwloading..

04:05 <Lorvija> the uni atleast..

04:05 <Lorvija> my home isp will ofcourse see that

04:05 <FreeLarry58> clone mac but still reports actual in data string if i remember looking at mine right

04:05 <FreeLarry58> lol yeah

04:05 <FreeLarry58> secure connections

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04:05 <FreeLarry58> uni just pass thru

04:06 <Lorvija> though.. my home connection is 100kb/s.. uni wlan is around 1200kb/s :P

04:06 <FreeLarry58> morn andresgr

04:06 <FreeLarry58> dropped my connectin to mid grade here Lorvija

04:06 <andresgr> hi FreeLarry58

04:07 <Lorvija> hmm what's mid grade? =)

04:07 <FreeLarry58> i think 256/786 KiB/sec

04:07 <andresgr> hey, sorry for this off topic, but, do you know if XP Home Edition supports dual-core chips?

04:07 <Lorvija> hmm KiB/sec != kb/sec?

04:07 <Lorvija> i always get confused with those things :E

04:07 <Lorvija> andresgr i guess it should?

04:07 <FreeLarry58> think i got the right one KB?

04:08 <FreeLarry58> it does andresgr

04:08 <Lorvija>

04:08 <Romulus> <> (at

04:08 <FreeLarry58> your not the only one Lorvija

04:09 <andresgr> so my HP Proliant server should do ok with a XP Home Edition...

04:09 <FreeLarry58> the only real difference i noted between home and pro editions was file tree layout and a few more fuctions for net in pro

04:09 <Lorvija> why not put ubuntu on it if it's a server..? (:

04:10 <andresgr> i'll punt ubuntu also :)

04:10 <andresgr> s/punt/put

04:10 <FreeLarry58> or fedora8 x86_64 if 64 bit

04:10 <andresgr> no, its 32

04:11 <FreeLarry58> ahh cpu doesn't support 64 bit

04:11 <Lorvija> hell.. did u hear about yet? seems kinda awesome (:

04:11 <FreeLarry58> cant say that i did Lorvija

04:11 * FreeLarry58 coffee time bbiab

04:11 <Lorvija> has about 3000 hours of free tv shows etc

04:11 <andresgr> how did this go? First i install XP using all HD and then install Ubuntu, who is smart enough to create its own partition...

04:11 <Lorvija> like house, heroes etc

04:11 <Lorvija> and more to come

04:12 <Lorvija> 50 000 tv shows

04:12 <Lorvija> and 80 000 movie

04:12 <Lorvija> s

04:12 <andresgr> or should i get the partitions done before installing XP...

04:12 <Lorvija> most free to watc etc :)

04:12 <Lorvija> andresgr maybe xp first

04:12 <Lorvija> then ubuntu

04:12 <Lorvija> just leave the space for ubuntu

04:12 <Lorvija> it'll then partition it (:

04:12 <Lorvija> and also install own boot manager

04:13 <Lorvija> xp is kinda dumm...

04:13 <Lorvija> had probs with it myself earlier

04:13 <andresgr> ok

04:13 <Lorvija> though once i deleted my MBR with ubuntu :P

04:13 <Lorvija> but that was just stupidity (:

04:13 <andresgr> But if i want C: and D: i have to do the partitions first myself, right?

04:14 <andresgr> i meant, windows is still so stupid as to create only one partition

04:14 <Lorvija> well start the installation of xp and it should help you (:

04:14 <andresgr> ah. pk

04:14 <andresgr> ok

04:14 <Lorvija> i dont remember if it has the possibility for multiple partitions on installation

04:14 <andresgr> windows has become smarter with years, great

04:14 <Lorvija> perhaps if u do advanced installation and partition by hand

04:14 <andresgr> ok, we'll see

04:14 <Lorvija> but won't be hard (:

04:15 <Romulus> The Lattice Project, have another idea, dunno if they still are

04:15 * Lorvija slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout

04:18 <FreeLarry58> humm i installed xp first but left about half drive as raw for fedora6 install

04:18 <Lorvija> yep (: thats the way to go..

04:19 <FreeLarry58> not comfortable with the resizing that linux performs tried it once and ended up doing full xp install again

04:19 <Lorvija> lol @ sweden and denmark.. they have been fighting if women can go to swimm halls in the same suit as men.. (=topless)... now they got the decision and they can.. :P

04:19 <FreeLarry58> but gparted has gotten smarter since then too

04:19 <Lorvija> i did once ntfs resize with gparted.. worked like a charm (:

04:20 * FreeLarry58 has aged to much not so much interested in looking anymore

04:20 <FreeLarry58> last time i tried it worked also Lorvija

04:20 <Lorvija> well i thought usually women want to keep the tits protected from eyes... :E

04:21 <FreeLarry58> not so much eyes as fingers

04:21 <Lorvija> :P

04:22 * FreeLarry58 is slowing down to much to chase after them anymore

04:22 <FreeLarry58> darn just remembered age 05 to old for breast feeding

04:23 <Lorvija> =

04:23 <Lorvija> =)

04:23 <FreeLarry58> lol yeah birthday coming up go from 94 to 05

04:24 <FreeLarry58> at least for a few hours

04:26 <Lorvija> bah... need to get self photo :E

04:26 <Lorvija> that one sucks

04:27 * FreeLarry58 thinks doesn't matter which photo of self he uses - rats still run thru walls trying to flee them

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04:27 <Lorvija> :P

04:27 <Lorvija> well i got like 50 000 photos on my computer.. propably 3-5 are about me..

04:28 <Lorvija> and none of those is okay for the student card (:

04:28 <FreeLarry58> cow/*-ers think i look closer to 59 then 50

04:28 <FreeLarry58> lol hd's go into revolt when i try to store one of mine on them

04:28 <Lorvija> :D

04:28 <Lorvija> better use tape then? ;)

04:29 <FreeLarry58> lol that flies all over room

04:29 <Lorvija> or just save it to some google server or something.. ;D

04:29 <FreeLarry58> got's to look around for new mb and processor tomorrow

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04:29 <FreeLarry58> tried and isp failed

04:30 <FreeLarry58> humm wonder what a Q6600 going for

04:30 <Lorvija> ~990e around here :E

04:31 <Lorvija> gonna build boinc&htpc before summer... gonna make it 0db and still 8 cores and enough memory etc (:

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04:39 <FreeLarry58> you must be looking at extreme editions there 290 to 400 usd here

04:39 <FreeLarry58> the 6700 extreme still over 1000

04:39 <FreeLarry58> and 6700 normal is around 550

04:39 <Lorvija> humm lemme check :P threw that one off the head..

04:40 <FreeLarry58> amd phenom going for less

04:40 <Lorvija> 2,4 ghz 230e

04:40 <FreeLarry58> with conversion about the same then

04:41 <Lorvija> Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66GHz

04:41 <Lorvija> that one would be nice though

04:41 <Lorvija> ~500e

04:41 <FreeLarry58> yeah but cant affor around 550 usd yet

04:42 <FreeLarry58> maybe i can find a store return for less

04:42 <FreeLarry58> circuit city tomorrow

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05:03 <CoderForLife> morning

05:03 <CoderForLife> slepy later than usual

05:03 <CoderForLife> er slept

05:03 <Romulus> mine is a hardware issue, my Macbook's still under 18, I can't get back to postfix debconf?

05:07 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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05:36 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

06:16 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

06:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 23F / -5C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. High in the lower 40s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. A 30 percent chance of snow after midnight. Low in the lower 30s. Southeast wind around 10 mph.; Thursday - Snow likely. Snow accumulation around 1 inch. High in the mid (1 more message)

06:16 <wdsmia> &more

06:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: 30s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. East wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the north 5 to 15 mph in the afternoon. Chance of snow 70 percent.;

06:26 <hawmps> lo

06:27 <PriitM_> halo

06:32 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

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06:47 <hawmps> 'lo Doug

06:50 <hawmps> still have a high wind warning up here.. Rochester got hit with a 75+ gust this morning.,..

06:50 <wdsmia> ouch

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07:09 <MTughan> Been really crazy weather over the past few days, hasn't it?

07:11 <andresgr> I'm getting continuously:

07:11 <andresgr> Reason: Unrecoverable error for result 8010801.000092_0 (process exited with code 131 (0x83))

07:11 <andresgr> on a linux box

07:11 <andresgr> each wu returns the same

07:11 <MTughan> What project?

07:11 <andresgr> boincsimap

07:11 <MTughan> Can you get a link to your machine's results?

07:12 <Bad_At_Home> Morning all

07:12 <MTughan> 'lo BB

07:12 <andresgr> MTughan,  mmmm, not sure what you mean

07:12 <Bad_At_Home> morning MT

07:12 <MTughan> Okay, what's your user id on SIMAP?

07:12 <andresgr>

07:13 <MTughan> Hmm, not sure if I can get an account from that... Can you sign into SIMAP?

07:13 <MTughan> On the website, that is.

07:13 <andresgr> i'm using gridrepublic...

07:14 <andresgr> my name is andresgr

07:14 <andresgr> (my user name i mean)

07:16 <MTughan> Guess I should've read more about GridRepublic before... I have no idea what it is.

07:16 <MTughan> Anyway, see if you can log in here:

07:16 <Romulus> Title: Please log in (at

07:16 <andresgr> well yes, i can log into

07:16 <MTughan> Okay, that's what I was wanting.

07:17 <andresgr> results:

07:17 <Romulus> <> (at

07:18 <MTughan> There we go...

07:19 <MTughan> Running Fedora Core 2?

07:19 <andresgr> yes

07:19 <MTughan> I don't know how well FC2 is supported... Kernel version looks fairly up to date, but still could be unstable.

07:20 <MTughan> Does it happen on WCG or Rosetta?

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07:21 <andresgr> still don't know...

07:21 <andresgr> my client is now "paused"

07:22 <andresgr> 2008-01-09 13:18:08 [boincsimap] Deferring communication for 11 hr 33 min 28 sec

07:22 <andresgr> 2008-01-09 13:18:08 [boincsimap] Reason: requested by project

07:22 <andresgr> (cause: reached daily quota of 50 results))

07:22 <MTughan> Ah, no results from R@H... Yeah.

07:22 <MTughan> I thought quotas were by computer, not by user though... Bad_At_Home?

07:23 <MTughan> You probably know more about BOINC than I do, and I need to be off to school.

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07:23 <andresgr> no, they can be by computer

07:23 <andresgr> it probably did 50 wu's in little time

07:23 <andresgr> each one of them failed, so it fastly went onto the next one

07:23 <MTughan> Well, I need to be off, so I'll have to leave you in the hands of other people here. This is the computer you're talking about:

07:23 <Romulus> <> (at

07:24 <MTughan> Hmm, the RAM could be something there too. 128MB? Ouch.

07:24 <MTughan> I'm running FC7 on 1GB.

07:24 <MTughan> Shoot, gotta run...

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07:29 <Bad_At_Home> i think quotas are by user not sure

07:33 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

07:33 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 32.0F / 0.0C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 23.59in / 798.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 10.5mph / 16.9km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow showers in the morning. No snow accumulation. Highs 36 to 42. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 15 to 23. Southwest winds around 15 (1 more message)

07:33 <Bad_At_Home> &more

07:33 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: mph early in the evening becoming light.; Thursday - Partly cloudy. Highs 37 to 45. Light winds.;

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09:19 <hawmps> hmmm.. wind 16, gusting to 30

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11:07 <hawmps> &weather 12020

11:07 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 58.0F / 14.4C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.45in / 997.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Today - Rain likely with isolated thunderstorms this morning...then partly sunny with a chance of showers this afternoon. Breezy with highs in the upper 50s. South winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...becoming west 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 (2 more messages)

11:07 <hawmps> &more

11:07 <Romulus> hawmps: mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy and breezy. Much cooler with lows in the lower 30s. West winds 15 to 25 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Cooler with highs in the mid 40s. West winds 15 to 20 mph...decreasing to 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.; Wind Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 AM EST on January 10, 2008; Special Weather Statement for Saratoga (1 more message)

11:07 <Romulus> and the page look like a power of the new weak key. That will never forgive him for 1km radar

11:07 <hawmps> &more

11:07 <Romulus> hawmps: County in effect until 11:15 AM EST on January 09, 2008;

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12:10 <PovAddict> 5.10.35 is out for Wnidows

12:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o hawmps

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12:30 <pdragon> for the estimated CPU time remaining that the commandline resturns, is that in seconds?

12:30 <pdragon> returns*

12:31 <PovAddict> boinccmd?

12:31 <PovAddict> yes, that is in seconds

12:31 <pdragon> yeah

12:31 <pdragon> cool, thanks

12:31 <pdragon> found out what the problem was with that Resume spam. it was cause i'd set the CPU usage to less that 100%

12:31 <pdragon> didn't realize that's what would happen :)

12:32 <PovAddict> if you set it to 50%, that will stop and resume the app every second :)

12:32 <pdragon> ahh ok. i'd had it at 75%

12:32 <PovAddict> that's probably 3 seconds running, 1 second paused

12:33 <pdragon> i thought it would be more like a priority thing. but i guess that's what the high nice setting is for :)

12:33 <PovAddict> yeah, it's already at the highest nice level it can go

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12:39 <citybird> hello?

12:40 <PovAddict> hi

12:40 <citybird> i have some questions about the comand line client...

12:41 <citybird> the correct way to attach to a project is: "boinc_cmd --project_attach email password" right?

12:41 <Romulus> Title: SETI@home (at

12:41 <PovAddict> not so easy

12:41 <PovAddict> but close

12:42 <PovAddict> what version of BOINC do you have?

12:42 <citybird> 5.10.8

12:42 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --lookup_account email password

12:42 <PovAddict> that will print a long number

12:42 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --project_attach the_long_number

12:42 <Romulus> Title: SETI@home (at

12:43 <citybird> i tried that and got an error about a missing database record.

12:43 <PovAddict> did you already create an account on the project?

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12:43 <PovAddict> or are you trying to attach for the first time?

12:44 <citybird> no, i have another client running but it uses the gui

12:44 <PovAddict> hmm

12:44 <PovAddict> lookup_account gave the error?

12:44 <citybird> i get "poll status: no database rows found in lookup/enumerate"

12:44 <PovAddict> :-\

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12:44 <PovAddict> tried again? maybe seti had database problems

12:45 <citybird> been trying for an hour now.

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12:45 <PovAddict> are you sure you got the email right?

12:45 <citybird> even moved the machine to a part of the subnet that has less firewall restrictions.

12:45 <citybird> ill double check

12:45 <PovAddict> trying myself

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12:46 <PovAddict> works for me

12:46 <citybird> well. thank you for helping me be less of an idiot.

12:46 <citybird> that worked.

12:46 <PovAddict> lol

12:47 <citybird> i forgot i used my old email address and not the new one.

12:47 <citybird> and BAM!! im in business

12:47 <PovAddict> have fun, and get us more users :]

12:48 <citybird> im gona get me some more machines goin. this is my second. running on an old server.

12:48 <citybird> after i get ubuntu installed on the quad kore we are gona move up in the world

12:49 <citybird> how long before it downloads a work unit?

12:49 <PovAddict> maybe it already did

12:49 <Romulus> ELGono: lemme guess, transparent proxy that edits content passing thru it?

12:49 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --get_results

12:49 <citybird> the new machine showed up on my account page

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12:52 <citybird> poor little thing. ill check back tomorrow to see how it is doing.

12:52 <PovAddict> lol

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12:53 <citybird> ok, night all. time to get drunk

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13:31 <MTughan> Hmm... I thought Pov said 5.10.35 would be for all platforms.

13:31 <PovAddict> yep, but only win released so far

13:32 <PovAddict>

13:32 <Romulus> Title: Changeset 14499 - BOINC - Trac (at

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13:33 <MTughan> They need better defines so it's only set in one place...

13:33 <PovAddict> hell yes

13:34 <PovAddict> also, a unix-specific bug was fixed on the API

13:34 <PovAddict> [14513]

13:34 <MTughan> Defining the version in four places within one file is just dumb...

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13:36 <MTughan> Should I be doing an svn update?

13:36 <PovAddict> yes, particularly for that api change

13:37 <MTughan> Because it'll affect my library...

13:37 <PovAddict> exactly

13:37 <MTughan> Now this is where I kick myself... I told it to copy the files rather than use references to them...

13:37 <PovAddict> ?

13:38 <PovAddict> svn export instead of svn checkout?

13:38 <PovAddict> or wut

13:38 <MTughan> In my Xcode project. I told it to copy the files over rather than using the files directly.

13:38 <PovAddict> heh...

13:40 <MTughan> I guess it'd affect the libraries used for linking apps too?

13:40 <Romulus> time for a dive?

13:40 <PovAddict> that's the api

13:40 <MTughan> All right...

13:40 <PovAddict> the bug caused science apps to hang when finishing, on some specific situation

13:46 <MTughan> Great... There are same strings in both version.h and config.h.

13:46 <PovAddict> config.h is automatically filled in by configure, afaik

13:46 <MTughan> PACKAGE_STRING and PACKAGE_VERSION are redefined...

13:46 <MTughan> Oh, right. :P

13:51 <MTughan> All good.

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13:55 <MTughan> Heh. I can't run x86_64 programs. :P

13:55 <MTughan> (Forgot the --host flag)

13:55 <PovAddict> any way you can compile a ppc-linux?

14:02 <MTughan> With the right compiler, sure.

14:02 <PovAddict> brb

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14:02 <MTughan> BTW, all TSP apps compile fine with the updated libraries.

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14:03 <PovAddict> pidgin got "stuck" in a strange way

14:03 <MTughan> Did you see my message before you quit?

14:04 <PovAddict> "with the right compiler, sure"

14:04 <MTughan> <MTughan> BTW, all TSP apps compile fine with the updated libraries.

14:04 <PovAddict> cool

14:04 <MTughan> It's sad, I've memorized all the flags necessary to compile the BOINC libraries for all three supported platforms...

14:05 <MTughan> Anyway, why were you asking about compiling for ppc-linux?

14:05 <PovAddict> and I memorized the whole process of sending povray work on the renderfarm... that long annoying and non-automated process...

14:05 <MTughan> Heh.

14:05 <PovAddict> because ppc-linux is more common than you'd think, and definitely more common than ppc64-linux (which was on the platform list for a while)

14:06 <MTughan> Is there no ppc-linux app?

14:06 <MTughan> I'm talking about TSP now.

14:06 <PovAddict>

14:06 <Romulus> Title: Applications (at

14:06 <MTughan> Oh, no there's not...

14:06 <PovAddict> I don't think so, since ppc-linux official platform name was added a short while ago ;)

14:07 <MTughan> I think I did find a prebuilt i686 Linux compiler for OS X, but not sure about PPC-linux.

14:07 <PovAddict> powerpc-linux-gnu

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14:09 <MTughan> Hmm... I can always try from source. What GCC version should I use?

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14:10 <MTughan> I imagine I should be using a 3.x series, but I'm not sure.

14:10 <MTughan> PovAddict?

14:13 <MTughan> Apple's GCC compiler is 4.0.1. Latest is 4.2.2. Xcode does come with a 3.3 series compiler though.

14:14 <PovAddict> well, it doesn't matter what apple has if you're building from source

14:14 <MTughan> gcc-3.3 (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1823)

14:14 <PovAddict> or do you mean apple includes gcc's source?

14:14 <MTughan> I know.

14:14 <MTughan> No, I don't think they have the source. Just stating what they had.

14:14 <MTughan> What version should I be getting for Linux?

14:14 <Romulus> i'll hafta save up for 7 years

14:14 <PovAddict> yay we have official names:

14:14 <Romulus> <> (at

14:15 <PovAddict> he just added that big bunch

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14:15 <MTughan> No x86_64-apple-darwin in there...

14:16 <PovAddict> yes there is

14:16 <PovAddict> note the diff skips lines

14:16 <PovAddict> it just shows one or two lines above and below the lines that were actually changed

14:16 <MTughan> Yeah, I see that now. Nvm.

14:16 <MTughan> I still don't know which GCC version to get...

14:16 <PovAddict> I never succeeded at building gcc here

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14:17 <PovAddict> downloading cygwin updates

14:17 <PovAddict> bash

14:17 <PovAddict> cygwin runtime

14:18 <PovAddict> findutils

14:18 <PovAddict> libdb (?)

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14:18 <MTughan> Do you know what Debian system that BOINC has on their site?

14:18 <MTughan>

14:18 <Romulus> <> (at

14:19 <PovAddict> no

14:19 <PovAddict> but it's a damn huge download

14:20 <MTughan> Yeah.

14:20 <PovAddict> and I'm not sure how easy it is to get working on VMware

14:20 <MTughan> Hmm... VMware converter is a Windows program.

14:20 <PovAddict> yep...

14:20 <MTughan> I have Windows on a VMware VM. :P

14:21 <MTughan> I'm gonna have to wait on the virtual machine though. Connection's too slow to download in 40 minutes.

14:22 <PovAddict> &math convert 1294016559 bytes to GiB

14:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1.20514683332

14:22 <PovAddict> eep

14:22 <PovAddict> &google calc 1294016559 bytes / 70KB/s

14:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: (1,294,016,559 bytes) / (70 (KB / s)) = 5.0146351 hours

14:23 <PovAddict> ...only 5 hours? I thought I'd take longer

14:23 <MTughan> I was getting about 230KB/s

14:23 <PovAddict> getting 63.63K/s now

14:23 <PovAddict> but 70KB/s is my max

14:24 <MTughan> &google calc 1294016559 bytes / 230KB/s

14:24 <Romulus> MTughan: (1,294,016,559 bytes) / (230 (KB / s)) = 1.52619329 hours

14:24 <MTughan> &google calc 1294016559 bytes / 480KB/s

14:24 <Romulus> MTughan: (1,294,016,559 bytes) / (480 (KB / s)) = 43.8780571 minutes

14:24 <MTughan> Yeah, I'll wait 'til home. :P

14:25 <PovAddict> are you

14:26 <PovAddict> 10 minutes ago somebody loaded the main page of my webserver, using Camino/1.5.4

14:26 <MTughan> Yeah, that was me.

14:26 <MTughan> You weren't responding, making sure your connection was fine.

14:27 <MTughan> Are you able to get more than 140KB?

14:27 <Romulus> <> (at

14:27 <PovAddict> 400KB downloaded

14:27 <PovAddict> out of 30MB

14:27 <PovAddict> 1MB

14:27 <MTughan> I can only get 140KB for some reason...

14:27 <PovAddict> 2MB

14:27 <PovAddict> strange

14:27 <MTughan> Can I download it from afterwards?

14:28 <MTughan> from you*

14:28 <PovAddict> &google calc 30344800 bytes / 13KB/s

14:28 <Romulus> PovAddict: (30,344,800 bytes) / (13 (KB / s)) = 37.9917869 minutes

14:28 <PovAddict> 13 if you're lucky

14:28 <PovAddict> my upload speed sux

14:28 <MTughan> Okay, you can cancel the download then.

14:28 <MTughan> I'll get it at home.

14:29 <PovAddict> hmm wait :)

14:29 <MTughan> Wondering how much space archiving it would save?

14:29 <PovAddict> done in 10 seconds

14:29 <Romulus> <> (at

14:29 <Romulus> rebuilding the database, the only reason I was asking for 1 of quite a bit obscure "The Stars My Destination" -- Alfred Bester

14:30 <MTughan> Much better. Getting 100KB/s.

14:30 <MTughan> About 4 minutes.

14:30 <PovAddict> looks like it can be compressed

14:31 <MTughan> 10MB down.

14:31 <PovAddict> 30344800 in, 28709486 out - not so worth it

14:31 <MTughan> I'm up to 175KB/s anyway.

14:32 <MTughan> All right, thanks.

14:34 <hawmps> >> "The Stars My Destination" -- Alfred Bester << damn good book.

14:35 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

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14:38 <MTughan> 'lo mw

14:39 <MTughan> PovAddict: Want to come to #tsp to talk about PPC-Linux?

14:41 <mweltin> PovAddict, does the new BOINC release have any php bug fixes?

14:45 <hawmps> &math calc 435/12

14:45 <Romulus> hawmps: 36.25

14:45 <PovAddict> mweltin: there is no such thing as "new boinc release" for server ;)

14:45 <hawmps> &math calc 68/435

14:45 <Romulus> hawmps: 0.15632183908

14:45 <PovAddict> you mean if there was any php-related change recently... well, I'm not sure about fixes

14:45 <PovAddict> but there's the new notification feature

14:46 <mweltin> I don't need new features I just need the code cleaned up.

14:46 <PovAddict> a *single* system to get notified of PMs, forum posts, friend requests

14:46 <hawmps> &math calc 68/535

14:46 <Romulus> hawmps: 0.127102803738

14:46 <mweltin> I still get tons of errors/notices about referencing non objects.

14:46 <PovAddict> worth upgrading

14:47 <PovAddict> and reporting as bugs any error that's still there

14:47 <PovAddict> aww

14:47 <Romulus> <> (at

14:47 <mweltin> I did report some to the list

14:47 <mweltin> I don't have a regression test to find them all.

14:50 <PovAddict> hawmps: finally reached 50% again on the poll

14:56 <MTughan> School's done in about three minutes. See you later.

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15:22 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather kiev

15:22 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029hPa | Conditions: Light Freezing Fog | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 10:03 PM EET; Overcast. High:26 F. / -3 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:22 F. / -5 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:24 F. / -4 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 F. / (1 more message)

15:22 <TMatWork> yo yoyo!

15:22 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

15:22 <yoyo[RKN]> feeling is colder outside

15:23 <TMatWork> :)

15:23 <TMatWork> its to dry out here today

15:23 <TMatWork> oavemebt is getting this weird light brownish-gray color

15:23 <TMatWork> pavement*

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15:32 <mweltin> PovAddict, Tank's personal stats are begin updated, but his Team stats are not.  Any idea how I can trouble shoot this problem?

15:43 <TMatWork> ^^and is JUST my team that isnt updating

15:43 <PovAddict> you mean on *exported* stats?

15:43 <PovAddict> or also on stats shown on website?

15:44 <TMatWork> on his site

15:44 <TMatWork> and the exports reflict his site

15:44 <TMatWork> so its almost like the db isnt being updated (just me unexperenced vied)

15:45 <TMatWork> view*

15:45 <PovAddict> 653,674 credits total

15:45 <PovAddict> &calc 121427+217028+78044+124319+36538+52782+20000+5233+3408+9216+2864+4408+3165+5296+1014+1648+1542+732+1744+2240

15:45 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".

15:46 <PovAddict> &math calc 121427+217028+78044+124319+36538+52782+20000+5233+3408+9216+2864+4408+3165+5296+1014+1648+1542+732+1744+2240

15:46 <Romulus> PovAddict: 692648

15:46 <PovAddict> ...

15:46 <PovAddict> mweltin: rm -rf html/cache/*

15:47 <PovAddict> mweltin: did you manually add credits to Tank_Master?

15:47 <PovAddict> for lost WUs or something

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15:47 <Romulus> I can roll through red lights, don't stomp on the mac apps

15:48 <mweltin> no manual credits granted to Tank_Master

15:48 <PovAddict> to somebody else on his team maybe?

15:48 <mweltin> yes

15:48 <PovAddict> did you also update team stats?

15:48 <mweltin> yes

15:48 <PovAddict> well maybe you Did Something Wrong there

15:49 <PovAddict> I'll see if I can come up with a SQL query to re-count team credits (summing the credits of all its users)

15:49 <mweltin> I double checked my sql twice and onlyu udpated one record.

15:50 <PovAddict> in theory it should be something like

15:50 <PovAddict> UPDATE team SET total_credit = (SELECT SUM(total_credit) FROM user WHERE;

15:50 <PovAddict> but don't run that, I'm not sure if it's right

15:50 <mweltin> ok

15:50 <PovAddict> how did you add the credits?

15:50 <mweltin> I'm dropping hte cache now.

15:50 <PovAddict> do you still have the query somewhere?

15:51 <mweltin> update team set total_credit = total_credit +x where id = xxx

15:51 <PovAddict> id = xxx being the *team* id, not the user id, right?

15:51 <mweltin> did the same for hte user

15:51 <mweltin> yes

15:51 <mweltin> user table

15:51 <PovAddict> well then I dunno

15:52 <PovAddict> I'm compiling gcc from source, taking ages

15:52 <FreeLarry58> did you reindex the db after the changes to tables?

15:52 <PovAddict> at least I have a dualcore now

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15:52 <mweltin> no reindexing

15:52 * PovAddict thinks that's a few years outdated

15:52 <mweltin> shouldnt be a need for that.

15:52 <FreeLarry58> had a few problems under db3 after manual updates related to indexes not updating

15:53 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: no indexes on those fields afaik

15:53 <FreeLarry58> true but some of the same people that made them help to make the new progs

15:53 <PovAddict> I mean there is no index on total_credit

15:53 <PovAddict> since there is never a need to search by that field

15:54 <FreeLarry58> tables updated then?

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15:55 * FreeLarry58 never had much experience with spreadsheeting so will back out

15:55 <FreeLarry58> PovAddict for your next problem left you pm

15:55 <FreeLarry58> time for me to go shopping bbl

15:56 <Romulus> that last one where a client to attach for the reminder

15:56 <PovAddict> 'sif I needed a "next problem"...

15:57 <PovAddict> clusty: ping

16:00 * xcamel_away is back.

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16:02 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:45 <MTughan> Does anyone know what version of GCC the compatibility version of Linux on BOINC's site is?

16:45 <MTughan> Or has?

16:45 <PovAddict> no - did you download it?

16:45 <MTughan> In the process.

16:45 <Romulus> Operating System Darwin 8.11.0

16:45 <MTughan> mweltin and I are talking about it in #tsp, BTW.

16:46 <MTughan> Rommie: That's OS X 10.4.11.

16:46 <PovAddict> I'll join when/if I can be bothered

16:46 <MTughan> Okay.

16:46 <xcamel> 'lo Mike, PoV

16:46 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

16:46 <PovAddict> btw, MTughan, how much free diskspace do you have?

16:47 <MTughan> On my internal drive, probably close to 130GB.

16:47 <PovAddict> the zip is 4.1GB when decompressed

16:47 <PovAddict> I had trouble using the unix 'unzip'

16:47 <MTughan> That's fine, my XP VM is 5.

16:47 <PovAddict> the .zip uses some 64-bit extensions to allow >2GB filesizes

16:48 <MTughan> Well, it must be able to be unzipped on 32-bit machines. I would think that the zip is rather old.

16:48 <PovAddict> well of course it works on 32-bit machines

16:48 <MTughan> WTF?

16:48 <Romulus> <> (at

16:48 <PovAddict> it's just it uses 64-bit integers to store the filesize, and that's an extension to the zip format, not supported by older tools

16:48 <PovAddict> meow

16:49 <mweltin> hey

16:49 <xcamel> 'lo mw

16:49 <MTughan> Well, Apple updated their extracting utility for Leopard.

16:49 <PovAddict> lol, read second comment on that pic

16:49 <MTughan> Heh.

16:51 <xcamel> I have 10.5.1 all all of mine - seems to work just fine..

16:52 <MTughan> Yeah, same here.

16:52 <MTughan> About 10 minutes left on the disk image...

16:52 <xcamel> chris is trying to image his, and install osx on his hp laptop...

16:53 <MTughan> Hackintosh?

16:53 <xcamel> knowing him, he'll pull it off..

16:53 <xcamel> basically..

16:54 <xcamel> he put refit on his and it poots to the os select screen (which looks really cool)

16:55 <MTughan> You've never done that on any of your Macs?

16:56 <PovAddict> sheesh

16:56 <MTughan> Passed a gig on the download...

16:56 <PovAddict> MTughan: what bash version do you have again?

16:56 <MTughan> 3.2.17.

16:57 <PovAddict> I have this on cygwin: GNU bash, version 3.2.33(18)-release (i686-pc-cygwin)

16:57 <MTughan> Okay?

16:57 <PovAddict> type 'help exec' and see if it has a -o switch

16:57 <xcamel> Magnitude 6.1 earthquake - QUEEN CHARLOTTE ISLANDS REGION - West Coast Canada

16:57 <MTughan> No -o.

16:57 <MTughan> Queen Charlotte Islands, that's north BC.

16:57 <PovAddict> I get  exec: -o: invalid option while compiling gcc

16:58 <MTughan> Huh...

16:58 <xcamel> I've never done it, and it's his first mac..

16:58 <MTughan> I've got -c, -l, and -a for exec.

16:58 <xcamel> so he's having lots of 'phun'

16:58 <MTughan> Heh.

16:58 <PovAddict>

16:58 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

16:58 <MTughan> You can do it on any Mac while it's booting. Hold down Option.

16:59 <MTughan> Looks exactly like mine.

16:59 <PovAddict> well that's printed in the middle of the makefile run

17:00 <MTughan> Hmm... Latest bash version is 3.2.

17:00 <PovAddict>

17:00 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

17:00 <PovAddict> there's lots of "entering/leaving directory" there because it's trying to compile all the previous stuff

17:01 <PovAddict> which are already compiled

17:01 <MTughan> Yeah.

17:03 <MTughan> Download finished...

17:04 <MTughan> Anyone know what a .cpgz file is?

17:05 <PovAddict> a cpio archive

17:05 <PovAddict> ever seen .tgz instead of .tar.gz? .cpgz seems to be like .cpio.gz

17:05 <xcamel> C3PO archive?

17:05 <MTughan> Yeah, I've see .tgz.

17:05 <xcamel> /sarc

17:06 <PovAddict> ok, i made it "work"

17:06 <MTughan> Skipped the target?

17:06 <PovAddict> gave one more step than last time, then tripped again

17:07 <PovAddict>

17:07 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

17:07 <PovAddict> wtf!

17:09 <MTughan> WTF too... Archive Manager won't unzip the file...

17:09 <PovAddict> told you! :)

17:09 <PovAddict> wait, get me its md5

17:09 <MTughan> It tries to zip it up in the cpga.

17:09 <MTughan> cpgz*

17:10 <Romulus> big bladder of gas

17:10 <MTughan> MD5 ( = d669891169e10e4960d0da2bb05090ad

17:10 <PovAddict> d669891169e10e4960d0da2bb05090ad

17:10 <PovAddict> correct

17:11 <PovAddict> so... you need a different extractor...

17:11 <PovAddict> try p7zip (portable 7-zip), I could compile it from source easily enough

17:11 <Romulus> Title: P7ZIP (at

17:11 <MTughan> skipping: BOINC-Build-Compat/BOINC-Build-Compat Hard Disk.vhd  need PK compat. v4.5 (can do v2.1)

17:11 * CoderForLife waves to all

17:11 <MTughan> From unzip.

17:11 <PovAddict> exactly

17:11 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

17:12 <PovAddict> _o/ CoderForLife

17:12 <CoderForLife> hello hello

17:12 <CoderForLife> wattup

17:13 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:13 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

17:13 <CoderForLife> the self-inspection of the MSM is hysterical

17:13 <xcamel> ya think?

17:14 <xcamel> malignant narcissism

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17:15 <CoderForLife>

17:15 <Romulus> <> (at

17:17 <CoderForLife> mysterious things happen at the moment of truth, alone in the voting booth

17:17 <PovAddict> polls are different for an obvious reason...

17:17 * PovAddict looks at xcamel ;)

17:17 <PovAddict> they make it so easy to do fraud on polls...

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17:18 <sethy> what the @#%& is going on >;o

17:19 * xcamel looks of innocently...

17:19 <sethy> AOL <the previous ISP> have migrated to another isp without notifying me

17:19 <PovAddict> was AOL recently "sold out"?

17:20 <sethy> and now i am restricted to certain ports and protocols and their direction

17:20 <sethy> i hope @#%& so

17:20 <MTughan> PovAddict: 7z installed. What's the program to use?

17:20 <PovAddict> MTughan: are there more than one?

17:20 <sethy> 7-zim file manager

17:20 <MTughan> I did the make all3.

17:21 <PovAddict> see in the 'bin' directory where you compiled

17:21 <PovAddict> (or did you make install?)

17:21 <MTughan> ./, but yes.

17:21 <PovAddict> 7z x

17:21 <MTughan> There's 7z, 7za, and 7zr.

17:21 <PovAddict> or 7za

17:22 <PovAddict> I dunno what the 'r' is for

17:22 <MTughan> Maybe RAR.

17:22 <MTughan> Unzipping.

17:23 <PovAddict> 7z uses plugins to handle archives. 7za is a stand-alone executable. 7za handles less archive formats than 7z, but does not need any others. 7zr is a stand-alone executable. 7zr handles less archive formats than 7z, but does not need any others. 7zr is a "light-version" of 7za that only handles 7z archives.

17:23 <MTughan> So what's with the letters?

17:23 <sethy> back with fudz

17:23 <PovAddict> a for alone

17:23 <PovAddict> r for... reduced?

17:23 <sethy> z for ZOMFG

17:23 <sethy> ?

17:24 <PovAddict> sethy: and why the '7'?

17:24 <sethy> lucky number

17:24 <PovAddict> sethy: we should ask chef brian, he should have a good answer for that question

17:24 <MTughan> Wow... Only uses 1.36MB of RAM.

17:24 <sethy> left sock plus spider kneecap ecuals 'the fuck'. LEARN!

17:24 <wdsmia> asks sethy to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

17:24 <MTughan> Using about 60% CPU.

17:24 <MTughan> Heh.

17:25 <sethy> thankyou op

17:25 <MTughan> Now to reclaim some RAM and boot the VM...

17:26 <sethy> *boots up backtrack3* <3

17:26 <PovAddict> according to chef brian: "when you make assumptions you make an ass of U and mumptions"

17:26 <MTughan> Heh, BT is cool...

17:27 <sethy> i knoes

17:27 <CoderForLife> going downstairs to work on the laptop and sit with the wife - need to renew a slew of domain registrations tonight

17:27 <sethy> i has teh wallpaper on this box

17:27 * CoderForLife waves bye-bye

17:27 <sethy> thewife@coderforlife

17:27 <sethy> lolrhyme

17:27 <CoderForLife> every time

17:28 <CoderForLife> cya soon

17:28 <sethy> ciao

17:28 * sethy waves

17:28 * sethy throws a copy of backtrack at MTughan

17:28 <PovAddict>

17:29 <sethy> so long and thanks for the fish

17:29 <sethy> toilet?

17:30 <sethy> i wonder if i can connect to MSN via backtrack

17:31 <sethy> it says connecting

17:31 <MTughan> Don't be surprised for a long time for a little while... RAM crunch.

17:31 <MTughan> That came out totally wrong...

17:31 <sethy> i guessed

17:31 <MTughan> Don't be surprised if I don't reply to stuff for a little while... RAM crunch.

17:31 <sethy> BUT I LOVE YOU

17:32 <sethy> the end

17:32 <MTughan> Everything's being shuttled to VRAM as the VM takes over the phyisical RAM.

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17:33 <sethy_BT3BETA> hi guys

17:33 <sethy> OMFG ROOT

17:33 <sethy> wait

17:34 <sethy> pov, when I joined what did the () has joined boinc say?

17:34 <PovAddict> n=root@

17:34 <sethy> not that one

17:34 <PovAddict> "sethy_BT3BETA [n=root@] ha entrado en la sala."

17:34 <sethy> ...

17:34 <Romulus> December 1st would be required

17:34 <sethy> THIS user

17:34 <sethy> not sethy_BT3BETA

17:34 <PovAddict> o

17:34 <sethy> sorry

17:35 <PovAddict> sethy [n=sethirot@]

17:35 <sethy> >;o

17:35 * sethy wants to change that

17:38 <PovAddict> @everyone on the channel:

17:38 <PovAddict> flamewar time again!

17:38 <PovAddict>

17:38 <Romulus> <> (at

17:39 <sethy> 4CHAN?

17:39 <PovAddict> shush

17:39 <sethy> flame war?

17:41 <sethy> i can bring up from BT

17:41 <sethy> but its taking its time

17:42 <sethy> no place like

17:47 <sethy> cheer up emo duck

17:51 <wdsmia> @Pov it will never work

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17:52 <xcamel> I suggested that like 5 years ago - 98% of boincers were still in diapers...

17:52 <wdsmia> it could have it was done that way at he start but now...

17:53 <wdsmia> err mind meet fingers

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18:02 <xcamel> I put my $.02 in again..

18:02 <xcamel> read/think/reply there, PoV

18:03 <sethy> i'm still not happy with my ports >;(

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18:04 <PovAddict> don't compare it with money, since it doesn't cost anything to projects to give more credits...

18:04 <sethy> could be good if you could buy credits

18:04 <sethy> in the form of donations

18:05 <sethy> 50 for $1 or something

18:07 <wdsmia> If electric bills keep going up... we will be

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18:18 <xcamel> my point is there are many 'free market' solutions, but being an academic communist is not one of them.

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18:22 <sethy> china is out of the question then?

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18:28 <PovAddict> xcamel: poll 57.30%

18:30 <xcamel> yeah.. it's crankin' ....

18:31 <xcamel> I run a 5000 iteration hit every 90 minutes or so...

18:31 <PovAddict> not running the script anymore, I just have the redirect set up for my forum sig

18:31 <xcamel> I replied to Dave's reply. I think he took it wrong...

18:31 <xcamel> (I know he took it wrong)

18:31 <PovAddict> so there's a lot of different IPs voting, even if infrequently

18:32 <xcamel> >>

18:32 <Romulus> <> (at

18:33 <xcamel> >> 57.36 % now

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18:35 <Tank_Master> z!

18:36 <Tank_Master> have you seen this page before?

18:36 <Tank_Master>

18:36 <Romulus> <> (at

18:36 <zombie67> hello

18:36 <zombie67> yeah, saw that

18:36 <Tank_Master> k

18:36 <zombie67> I don't understand it at all/

18:38 <xcamel> zombie67: in one sentence - proposed credit would be granted in direct proportion to the computing power you bring to the project.

18:39 <xcamel> (which is the way it always should have been)

18:39 <PovAddict> but "computing power" can't be easily measured, particularly acros projects

18:39 <PovAddict> across*

18:39 <xcamel> ah but it can - remember my proposal about the BOINC reference project

18:40 <Tank_Master> dose that meen a P4 3.0 should get the same credit no matter what project

18:40 <zombie67> I still do not see how this addresses differences in OS performance.

18:40 <Tank_Master> what if someone optimizes the app?

18:40 <xcamel> any host would need to complete 10 "benchmarking units"

18:40 <xcamel> project apps are closed - it removes the BM from the boinc core..

18:40 <PovAddict> xcamel: what do you think of this?

18:40 <Romulus> <> (at

18:40 <PovAddict> sounds similar

18:41 <xcamel> so you could optimize BOINC all you want - it wouldn't help

18:41 <zombie67> not optimixed BOINC

18:41 <Tank_Master> not boinc, the apps

18:41 <zombie67> optiomized apps

18:41 <PovAddict> how about strange platforms?

18:41 <PovAddict> if the benchmark app is closed, it needs to provide binaries for all platforms in existance

18:41 <Tank_Master> like a sun?

18:42 <Tank_Master> or itantum?

18:42 <xcamel> once your machine is profiled, you get that 'N' power factor number for that host, and off you go - crunch on..

18:42 <PovAddict> how to make sure the benchmark app runs "at the same speed" on all platforms?

18:42 <zombie67> exactly!

18:42 <Tank_Master> # of flops!

18:42 <zombie67> especially when many projects don't have access to the source code, and run in wrappers

18:42 <xcamel> Tank_Master:  the apps have to be closed source

18:42 <Tank_Master> hehe

18:43 <zombie67> we are talking about the sienc apps

18:43 <zombie67> sience

18:43 <Tank_Master> then how would one port it to other platforms?

18:43 <PovAddict> what if the benchmark app runs faster on X and slower on Y, but some project app runs faster on Y than on X?

18:43 <Tank_Master> "then its a fluke"

18:43 <xcamel> POV - that is exactly the opposite of what you want - the new system in not "personally fair" -- it's machine power fair

18:44 <zombie67> the same machine may run an application differently depending on OS

18:44 <xcamel> you do NOT want to flatten the curve - that is the big problem now.

18:45 <PovAddict> also, echoing Tank_Master and xcamel... what if I optimize a project app in a way that it gets project results faster? I *should* get more credits

18:45 <zombie67> sorry, 100/day max!!!

18:45 <xcamel> or - if you buy a new host, with twice the power - you should get double the credit

18:45 * wdsmia has flashbacks of the 2004 credit debate

18:45 <PovAddict> xcamel: well of course @ that

18:46 <xcamel> well?????

18:46 * Tank_Master is glad he missed that debate

18:46 <Romulus> is it that way

18:46 <xcamel> it would be your "utility value" to the project that counts...

18:46 <PovAddict> even the current benchmark system does that in theory - except horribly inaccurate, not taking memory into account, etc

18:46 <PovAddict> but it does give twice the credits for a 2x faster computer

18:47 <PovAddict> actually - same credits per WU (again in theory), twice the WUs a day; same effect

18:47 <xcamel> and you have to look at the distribution of machines and OS's running boinc - 99.99% are wintel boxes - if you have something "exotic" well good for you.

18:47 <PovAddict> PS3

18:48 <zombie67> 99.99%?  no

18:48 <xcamel> exactly

18:48 <xcamel> check the distribution z - it's very close to that

18:48 <PovAddict> PS3s *should* get more credits a day - for projects that actually run faster on PS3 than PC, that is

18:48 <xcamel> we're the 'odballs'

18:48 <zombie67> 87% win, 8% lin, 5% mac

18:48 <PovAddict> xcamel: Windows: 86.7%

18:49 <xcamel> you got my point, right?

18:49 <Tank_Master> your the odd balls

18:49 <PovAddict> I can't tell CPU

18:49 <zombie67> under this new plan, if I understan correctly, PS3 will be limited to match all the other computers.  Even though it is doing 16x the work.

18:49 <Tank_Master> but I guess I am to, for I gont have any lin or mac

18:50 <xcamel> speaking of "odd balls" I should be playing some foo-pool

18:50 <PovAddict> BOINCstats divides in Intel/AMD/PPC/other, which is quite useless... should say x86 vs x86-64 instead

18:50 <zombie67> 66% intel, 30% amd 3% PPC

18:50 <xcamel> oddball is me with a quad core FC7 box running boinc

18:50 <zombie67> oddball is me

18:51 <xcamel> amd quad, true smp, that is

18:51 <zombie67> 7 macs (both PPC and intel), a dozen XP (half 32 bit, half 64 bit), a PS3 with linux, and a PII running unix

18:51 <zombie67> normalize THAT

18:52 <xcamel> but anyway... generating 'spendable credits' would be a godsend to BOINC - the sponsors would love it... and get lots more sales (and boinc donations) out of it..

18:52 <xcamel> z - no need to 'normalize' just let them all "crunch their asses off"

18:54 <PovAddict> ok, I think I finally got stuff set up the right way, hopefully gcc will compile correctly this time

18:54 <PovAddict> xcamel: how often do the logs update on your website?

18:55 <xcamel> every hour, IIRC

18:55 <xcamel> why? something broken?

18:55 <PovAddict> nope

18:55 <xcamel> ok..

18:55 <PovAddict> should update in like 5 minutes then

18:56 <xcamel> zombie - the point is, "if you've got it, flaunt it, it's why you bought it"

18:56 <PovAddict> if there weren't cross-project credits, it would be easier

18:56 <PovAddict> like on seti classic days which only counted # of WUs

18:57 <zombie67> can't flaunt it under this new method

18:57 <xcamel> I got so sick of noobs whining because their PIII 500 wasn;t getting any credit, and demanding everyone else "dumb down" their machines..

18:57 <zombie67> it will be normalized down

18:58 <xcamel> it should not be - that defeats the whole purpose of changing it.

18:58 * wdsmia goes to watch tv... the worst B movie ever made is beter than re-living this

18:58 <zombie67> "Normalization rule: for each project, the average of C(H) over all hosts participating in BOINC must be about 100"

18:58 <xcamel> normalizing is a "communist" system

18:59 <xcamel> and the antithesis of what Dave was trying to get to...

18:59 <zombie67> so If I produce too much, credits for everyone (including me) will have to be reduced!

18:59 <zombie67> no flaunting!

18:59 <zombie67> allowed

18:59 <xcamel> what is "too much"

18:59 <xcamel> ???????

18:59 <zombie67> too much credits

18:59 <PovAddict> normalizing over projects, not over computers...

19:00 <zombie67> "the average of C(H) over all hosts participating in BOINC must be about 100"

19:00 <zombie67> HOSTS

19:00 <PovAddict> finner ->

19:00 <PovAddict> dinner*

19:00 <xcamel> that means you are much more valueable to the project...

19:00 <xcamel> Don't you want to be wanted by the projects you chose to run?

19:00 <zombie67> I will say it agin, If I produce too much credits, the credits for everyone (including me) will have to be reduced

19:01 <zombie67> within that project

19:01 <xcamel> not true - credit is simply a reward for the total work you do

19:01 <zombie67> I am pasting that straight from the web page

19:01 <zombie67> "the average of C(H) over all hosts participating in BOINC must be about 100"

19:02 <Romulus> but now with me

19:02 <xcamel> I know.. I'm still looking at it

19:03 <zombie67> so if I am averaging 200, and the other 8 guys are averaging 100, guess how we make that equal 100/host?

19:03 <sethy> this migration sucks. i can't access microsoft based web sites

19:03 <xcamel> So, If I buy 24 hours of time on a cray MP1/264, and do einstein, I shouldn't get 3000 times the credit of the next nearest machine?

19:04 <xcamel> it should not be normalized

19:04 <zombie67> 200 + (8*100) = 1000 /9 = 111 (too much!)

19:05 <xcamel> froget the friggin math - we're talking principal here...

19:05 <zombie67> so all credits are *.9

19:05 <zombie67> so my 200 is now worth only 180

19:05 <xcamel> think like a businessman - stop thinking like a programmer.

19:05 <zombie67> I am commenting on the proposal, not pricnipal

19:06 <zombie67> it *WILL BE* normalized, per the proposal

19:06 <sethy> do you propose a toast?

19:06 <xcamel> If yo do 200, you get 200. the other 8 only get 100

19:06 <zombie67> nope

19:06 * xcamel bangs head

19:06 <zombie67> can't have an average > 100

19:06 <sethy> its called QMC

19:07 <zombie67> "the average of C(H) over all hosts participating in BOINC must be about 100"

19:07 <xcamel> OK - think of it as an extension of "1wu = 1 credit" - like 'old seti'

19:08 <xcamel> ignore Daves formulas for a minute... think in the abstract here..

19:08 <zombie67> oh!  And credit police too!  "The normalization and accounting rules would be evaluated by cross-project statistics sites."

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19:08 <xcamel> it's only a proposal at the moment... which can change radically over time...

19:08 <MTughan> On my Linux comp ATM...

19:08 <MTughan> Been down here for a little while.

19:08 <zombie67> I know, and I am commenting (trashing actually) the proposal as it stands today.

19:09 <MTughan> Wait, why am I MTughan, and not MTughan_?

19:09 <sethy> because MTughan_ is already on

19:09 <sethy> time out?

19:09 <MTughan> Possibly, but I didn't think our connection had gone down.

19:09 <sethy> mine has >:(

19:10 <xcamel> using a pure 'free market' concept would be the best thing that ever happened to boinc credit - but his proposal isn't there yet.

19:11 <sethy> i still think my idea of donating money for credits is a good idea

19:11 <sethy> people like me are stupid enough to donate

19:11 <zombie67> I just don't see how one can compare something like DepSpid, to PS3GRID, to SETI

19:13 <Tank_Master> projects like depspid are hard ro figure out creditwise

19:13 <xcamel> they don't compare now - but the projects would have to figure out ways to entice people to run their stuff..

19:13 <Romulus> when one of the gange

19:14 <xcamel> bad credit - no one will run it.

19:14 <xcamel> there needs to be competition between the projects for boincer attention and affection...

19:15 <zombie67> we have that today

19:15 <xcamel> z -- how do you compare a Ferrari to a Chevy?

19:15 <Tank_Master> which one burns better

19:16 <xcamel> which one uses less gas?

19:16 <wdsmia> bad credit - no one will run it....from the man with 230K of lhc credit

19:16 <zombie67> more truck space

19:16 <xcamel> lower payments?

19:16 <Tank_Master> 230k!!

19:16 <Tank_Master> not bad for there

19:16 <zombie67> WCG attracts a lot of crunchers, with relatively poor credit

19:16 <xcamel> see - it's all subjective, therefore it isn't really that important...

19:17 <Tank_Master> WCG has one of the lowest credits, yet they have lots of people running on i

19:17 <Tank_Master> t

19:17 <sethy> QMC gives quite some credit

19:17 <xcamel> because "community" is more important to them than credit....

19:17 <zombie67> it is a combination of things that attract crunchers:  goal of the science, applications that work on their machines, credits, community, staff/admins, what their friends crunch

19:17 <xcamel> starting to see what I mean?

19:18 <zombie67> ?

19:18 <sethy> World [b]Community[/b] grid

19:18 <FreeLarry58> b

19:18 <sethy> c

19:18 <xcamel> indeed you are gettin it..

19:19 <zombie67> WCG's community is poor, IMO.  What attracts people there is the goal of their projects.

19:19 <sethy> i need to sleep but i['m not in the mood ~.~zz

19:19 <sethy> -[

19:20 <zombie67> oh yeah, QMC will be dropping their credits shortly

19:20 <sethy> Cosmology give 100C per wu

19:20 <Tank_Master> oh?

19:20 <sethy> they do for me anyway

19:20 <Tank_Master> how shortly?

19:21 <zombie67> We had many complaints from users with older systems that our fixed credits were too low compared to others, that's how we arrived at the current high value for newer machines. We will adjust our credit value with the next new workunit series. - Martin

19:21 <xcamel> So... you really have to sit back and close your eyes and imagine boinc as a big store, and all the projects are the work you have to do to earn points (credits) to get "stuff you want"

19:21 <zombie67> sent to the project list today

19:21 <Tank_Master> when will that be?

19:21 <zombie67> dunno

19:21 <xcamel> almost like a "job"

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19:22 <zombie67> xcamel, sure, we can play what if, but DA already has a plan, and a long history of just implementing things without discussion or consent.

19:22 <FreeLarry58> minor upgrade in progress P4D630 to C2Q6600 1G to 4G memory new mb P35 chipset

19:23 <zombie67> nice!

19:23 <Tank_Master> what are you doing with the old crap?

19:23 <FreeLarry58> 550 usd for parts

19:23 <FreeLarry58> mb shot - 3 blown caps - probably give rest to nephew to play with

19:24 <FreeLarry58> he still doing soldering in school and they always need parts

19:24 <Tank_Master> welcome efc

19:28 <xcamel> 'lo e

19:29 <xcamel> z - tell me something I don't know.

19:29 <xcamel> I've been running boinc since version 0.4

19:29 <xcamel> and astropulse before that..

19:30 <Tank_Master>

19:30 <Romulus> Title: MyMiniCity (at

19:30 <xcamel> larry - you'll be visited by the local SWAT tram if he takes that BM to school...

19:30 <zombie67> bottom line, with this proposal, each project *must* award 100 credits/host on average.

19:30 <xcamel> LEAD!! CADMUIM!!! GALLIUM!!

19:31 <xcamel> (oh my..)

19:31 <xcamel> bottom line - his proposal, as written, sucks. but he is headed in the right direction.

19:32 <zombie67> so if project A can be run only on 8-core boxes, 100 credits average for those boxes.  and project B can be run on any box as low as a 286, then all those boxes must average 100 too.

19:32 <zombie67> so now a 286 = 8core by credits

19:33 <xcamel> that is the "sucks" part -- so tell him.

19:33 <FreeLarry58> lol xcamel - schools the one requesting students bring things in

19:34 <zombie67> I gave him some feed back already.

19:34 <xcamel> I read it...

19:34 <sethy> w00t tis my birthamadays soon :D:D <3

19:35 <FreeLarry58> 2 days till 05 here sethy

19:35 <xcamel> Larry - you better double check with the teacher..

19:36 <FreeLarry58> did on last batch - they made 2 comps out of parts after fixing

19:36 <FreeLarry58> 5 old comp parts

19:36 <sethy> i've been in this channel more than 1&1/2 years now and i'm still the youngest?

19:36 <FreeLarry58> rest went thru thier recycle program

19:37 <FreeLarry58> probbably sethy but i'm going to be younger soon

19:37 <FreeLarry58> ;)

19:37 <sethy> i'm still 16 though :) you got some catching up to do

19:38 <FreeLarry58> lo turn 05

19:38 <xcamel> if he makes it to 17, should we send him a hooker for his birthday?

19:38 <FreeLarry58> year after will be 15

19:39 <sethy> 0xnohex?

19:39 <FreeLarry58> nah xcamel if his school anything like what i saw going on while my kids in he's ben getting for last 3 yrs anyway

19:42 * efc clearly went to the wrong schools

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19:44 <PovAddic1> I really need to start looking at UPS prices

19:44 <PovAddic1> had a 2-second long outage

19:44 <MTughan> Heh. I like the idea of the hooker for sethy's birthday...

19:44 <PovAddic1> o.o

19:44 <MTughan> Yeah, UPSs are really quite nice.

19:44 <Romulus> they are bunk wu's anyway

19:44 <sethy> i dont thing the girlfriend would appreciate the idea

19:44 <MTughan> <xcamel> if he makes it to 17, should we send him a hooker for his birthday?

19:44 *** PovAddict has quit IRC

19:44 <PovAddic1> ah

19:45 <PovAddic1> well some friends alreayd offered the same for my 17th birthday

19:45 *** PovAddic1 is now known as PovAddict

19:45 <sethy> PovAddict--

19:45 <PovAddict> why

19:45 <FreeLarry58> PovAddict you get a chance to look at the burp faq?

19:45 <sethy> well you went from PovAddict1 to PovAddict

19:45 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: what for

19:45 <sethy> so PovAddict--

19:46 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: I still didn't understand what you were doing

19:46 <FreeLarry58> error

19:46 <PovAddict> but fyi, installing blender doesn't make BURP automatically use it

19:46 <FreeLarry58> burp crashing a few seconds after starting but blender which is also install runs fine

19:46 <MTughan> Oh, I should bring this machine back on to BOINC...

19:46 <sethy>

19:46 <Romulus> <> (at

19:46 <FreeLarry58> i know just did it to test machine

19:46 <MTughan> A P4 is better than nothing.

19:46 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: complain @ forums about that missing lib

19:47 <sethy> RAM?

19:47 <PovAddict> they shouldn't be requiring it, lots of headless machines wouldn't work on burp otherwise

19:47 <sethy> look at the ram

19:47 <MTughan> Any LHC work recently?

19:47 <PovAddict> sethy: search UPS prices plz

19:47 <sethy> D:

19:47 <PovAddict> wat

19:47 <sethy> UPS the delivery company?

19:48 <PovAddict> you made me search for stuff on torrent sites yesterday

19:48 <PovAddict> no

19:48 <MTughan> sethy: Uninterruptable Power Supply.

19:48 <PovAddict> Uninterruptible Power Supply

19:48 <sethy> dude hello, i HAVE MIGRATING ISP'Z

19:48 <sethy> i cant even access microsoft based websites

19:48 <FreeLarry58> PovAddict checked the forums and faq was the solution supposedly but not sure how to do it

19:50 <sethy> PovAddict:

19:50 <Romulus> <> (at

19:50 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: I cant even find the faq

19:51 <FreeLarry58> ah i placed it on boinc desktop on new machine but will gt link

19:51 <PovAddict> found it

19:51 <Romulus> Title: [FAQ] Portability - Linux (at

19:51 <FreeLarry58>

19:51 <Romulus> Title: [FAQ] Portability - Linux (at

19:51 <sethy> FreeLarry58 timed out

19:52 <FreeLarry58> ?? i did

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19:52 <sethy> he found it before you?

19:52 <Tank_Master> I still see FL

19:52 <sethy> i see pov then fl

19:52 <FreeLarry58> so i'm more than a little slow ;)

19:53 <Tank_Master> lol

19:53 <FreeLarry58> whats ya expect out of a 94 yr old

19:53 <PovAddict> 94?

19:53 <sethy> we shall all play on the sega megadrive and listen to tetris

19:53 <FreeLarry58> and fri will be 05

19:53 <xcamel> make it xcamel49 before too long...

19:53 <sethy> sethy17

19:54 <sethy> pov18

19:54 <FreeLarry58> sethy 71

19:54 <sethy> >;o

19:54 <FreeLarry58> lol

19:54 <PovAddict> sethy: I'm 17 <.<

19:54 <sethy> so you will be 18 this year

19:54 <MTughan> 17 here too.

19:54 <sethy> bumb

19:54 <FreeLarry58> i used by for number on name

19:54 <xcamel> PoV ... getting closer to 60%

19:54 <FreeLarry58> B.Y.

19:54 <PovAddict> sethy: yeah but on december

19:55 <sethy> but still this year...

19:55 <PovAddict> &web title

19:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: HTTP Error 404: Not Found

19:55 <xcamel> that's why he needs the "happy H" for his birthday...

19:55 <sethy> lolol

19:55 <PovAddict> good, so dns still working

19:55 * FreeLarry58 back to ripping apart the ol P4 to get ready for upgrade

19:56 <xcamel> 58.85

19:56 <sethy> The server at is taking too long to respond.

19:56 <PovAddict> sethy: well for you yea

19:56 <xcamel> Larry - we're beating the paulians on a web poll back into the stone age...

19:56 <PovAddict> cos your isp sucks

19:56 <sethy> I KNOW >:'(

19:57 <PovAddict> I wanted to check if my side was working

19:57 <PovAddict> I know your side is b0rken as hell

19:57 <MTughan> Okay, this comp now attached to ABC, BURP, LHC, RS, and TSP.

19:57 <MTughan> It's the attack of the acronyms...

19:57 <PovAddict> oh cmon I'm sure you can do better than that

19:57 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yep, but the listing here too.

19:57 <MTughan> I'm not attaching all my projects.

19:58 <PovAddict> simap?

19:58 <sethy> PovAddict can make a very nice list of accronyms from his boincprojects list

19:58 <MTughan> Not attached, will have to consider that one though...

19:58 <MTughan> Mac's attached to it though.

19:58 <PovAddict> on the power outage, I lost my half-compiled gcc (no idea if it errored or outage suspended it midway

19:59 <PovAddict> but also lost the last parts of .bash_history so I don't know what command I was last using :-\

19:59 <PovAddict> (~/.bash_history is only saved when bash quits; and definitely not when it quits due to power outage)

20:00 <sethy> The price of gold in the London Gold Fixing rises above 600 per troy ounce for the first - Yesterday

20:00 <sethy> 600euro for people such as myself on fixedsys font

20:00 <PovAddict> I see a questionmark

20:00 <PovAddict> I say you have your charset wrong <.<

20:01 * PovAddict feels a 'your mom' joke coming soon

20:02 <sethy> your mom has her charset wrong

20:02 <PovAddict> sethy: in soviet russia, charsets have YOU wrong

20:02 <MTughan> Now I'm getting scared...

20:03 <PovAddict> you should be

20:03 <PovAddict> ph34r

20:03 <sethy> in soviet china, wrong NOU have charset :sethy<povaddict>\

20:03 <sethy> c wut i did thur

20:03 <MTughan> Reversed at punctuation.

20:04 * sethy starts diging up some info on this opal telecom

20:05 * FreeLarry58 is very confused with last few minutes of exchanges

20:05 <PovAddict> MTughan: guess what this is

20:05 <PovAddict> /\\/\//

20:05 <MTughan> Escaped ASCII art?

20:05 <MTughan> Hmm, not quite...

20:05 <PovAddict> big hint: /before/after/

20:05 <FreeLarry58> anyone think corsair memory good to save cm2x512-5400c4

20:06 <PovAddict> so actually s/\\/\//

20:06 <Romulus> and i can purchase a motherboard, mod this vid a couple years ago,

20:06 <MTughan> Replaces backslashes with forward slashes. Transforms Windows paths to Unix paths.

20:06 <PovAddict> yep

20:06 <PovAddict> I thought it looked obscure, like just a bunch of slashes

20:06 <PovAddict> but then so does this

20:07 <MTughan> With the escaped ASCII art, I was thinking this: \/\/ escaped, so \\/\\/

20:07 <PovAddict> sqrt sum sq x sq y

20:07 <sethy> sub / \\ / \// ?

20:07 <sethy> ROT

20:08 <PovAddict> I like that math format, can lead to such obscure-looking things...

20:08 <MTughan> Hey, that's Pythagorean theorem...

20:08 <sethy> squirt some squid?

20:08 <MTughan> square root of the sum of square x and square y

20:08 <sethy> hay pov

20:08 <sethy> POV

20:08 <FreeLarry58> squids squirt ink - monitor goes black

20:08 <MTughan> Heh.

20:09 <sethy> apparently the accuisition of aol going to opal telecom was transacted in october 2006

20:09 <sethy> so why wait till 2008?

20:09 <sethy>

20:09 <PovAddict> sethy: yeah they could have f$%&ed you earlier

20:09 <Romulus> <> (at

20:09 <MTughan> lol

20:10 <PovAddict> MTughan: sub sqrt sum sq x sum sq y sq z r (sum and sub can only take two parameters)

20:11 <MTughan> What does sub do?

20:11 <PovAddict> a-b

20:11 <MTughan> Huh?

20:11 <PovAddict> substract

20:11 <sethy> [01:11:11] <MTughan> Huh?

20:11 <sethy> binary time

20:11 <MTughan> Oh...

20:12 <MTughan> Without the sub, it's the formula for the diagonal to diagonal distance in a box...

20:12 <PovAddict> r is radius

20:13 <MTughan> Makes me think it's a cube then...

20:13 <MTughan> Sorry, sphere.

20:13 <MTughan> Just wondering what x, y, and z are then...

20:13 <PovAddict> some point inside sphere :)

20:14 <FreeLarry58> brk time too much kneeling

20:14 <MTughan> I'm stumped.

20:14 <FreeLarry58> axis labels

20:15 <sethy> X Y Z and V axis?

20:15 <FreeLarry58> time

20:15 <MTughan> Without the subtract it's the distance from given point to the origin, but I don't know what the -r is for.

20:15 <sethy> he knows *points*

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20:16 <sethy> ohcrud, i just realised something

20:16 <MTughan> sqrt(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) - r

20:16 <sethy> now i have been forced to migrate to another ISP

20:16 <MTughan> That's the more readable format.

20:16 <sethy> maybe i have a limit to my download

20:17 <sethy> dad's gonna call opal anyway

20:18 <PovAddict> MTughan: if result < 0, point is inside sphere

20:19 <MTughan> No. If result < 0, origin is inside sphere. We already know the point's inside the sphere.

20:19 <MTughan> Interesting formula though.

20:19 <PovAddict> assume sphere origin is <0,0,0>

20:19 <MTughan> <PovAddict> some point inside sphere :)

20:19 <PovAddict> or not

20:20 <PovAddict> if <x,y,z> is outside the sphere, what would the formula give? positive or negative result?

20:20 <MTughan> If the origin is the centre of the sphere?

20:20 <PovAddict> yes

20:20 <MTughan> Positive.

20:20 <PovAddict> and if the result is 0, the point is exactly on the surface

20:20 <MTughan> Yep.

20:21 <sethy> geodesic calculations?

20:21 <Romulus> I was spending the rest are 1.5 or more to add it to do more with Subclipse

20:21 <PovAddict> congrats, you now know how povray "isosurface" works :P

20:21 <PovAddict>

20:21 <Romulus> <> (at

20:21 <MTughan> Meh. I like my Obj-C.

20:22 <PovAddict> impressive ones ->

20:22 <Romulus> Title: Isosurface Tutorial: Parametric Equations (at

20:22 <sethy> i will never understand pov-ray

20:22 <PovAddict> cos u r noob

20:22 <sethy> NOU

20:22 <sethy> GB2 /S/

20:23 * MTughan backs away from the impending confrontation

20:23 <xcamel>

20:23 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 January 9 - Hidden Galaxy IC 342 from Kitt Peak (at

20:24 <sethy> PovAddict: i still need to ask helen about the star thing

20:24 <sethy> APOD WONT LOAD FOR ME >:O

20:24 <MTughan> PHAIL.

20:24 <MTughan> &wrong

20:24 <Romulus> MTughan:

20:24 <PovAddict> get an isp

20:24 <sethy> same back atcha

20:24 <MTughan> He has an ISP.

20:25 <PovAddict> currently he has a turd he calls an ISP

20:25 <MTughan> Me or Pov?

20:25 <sethy> both

20:25 <MTughan> I have an ISP.

20:25 <sethy> no

20:25 <sethy> pix for u

20:25 <sethy> isp for pov

20:26 <MTughan> So what did I do wrong then?

20:26 <sethy> asked what you did wrong

20:26 <MTughan> ... Nevermind.

20:26 <sethy> i like how 'wrong' was perfectly aligned just now

20:27 <sethy> guess who can still access 4chan? :D

20:27 <MTughan> 4chan?

20:27 <PovAddict> guess who cares

20:27 <PovAddict> see, MTughan doesn't even know what 4chan is

20:28 <sethy>

20:28 <sethy> i lol'd

20:29 <MTughan> Heh.

20:30 <MTughan> lol, the iBed.

20:30 <Romulus> <> (at

20:31 <PovAddict> aww

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20:33 <sethy> can has direct image link?

20:33 *** clusty has quit IRC

20:33 <PovAddict> hey vlazar_

20:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: I wrote a 'tail' script

20:33 <sethy> >;o wtf is this 'Server Application Unavailable'

20:33 <sethy> errur 507?

20:34 <PovAddict> MTughan:

20:34 <PovAddict> it's actually compiling right now

20:34 <MTughan> Whoa...

20:35 <MTughan> <b>Fatal error</b>:  Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in <b>C:\www\tail.php</b> on line <b>14</b><br />

20:35 <PovAddict> lol

20:35 <PovAddict> sethy: checking for ffs... yes

20:35 <PovAddict> MTughan: noticed; refresh

20:35 <PovAddict> yay RAIN!

20:35 <sethy> LOLRAIN

20:36 <sethy> i see a map of the internet

20:36 <sethy> MTughan:

20:36 <Romulus> Title: /hr/ - High Resolution (at

20:36 <PovAddict> finally, started actual compiling

20:37 <Romulus> i'd like a micro power system to me will be marked as canonical result, and more power some boinc internals... you have any credits for a job

20:37 * FauxFaux stabs sha-1 collision search, give me more work units, bitches.

20:37 <MTughan> Or not.

20:37 <PovAddict> yep, that's where it asplodes

20:37 <MTughan> It's missing a header.

20:37 <FauxFaux> Your brand-new bitching quad-core isn't going to finish more than two in /ten days/.

20:37 <PovAddict> FauxFaux: wut?

20:38 <xcamel> mine?

20:38 <PovAddict> raaaain \o/

20:38 <FauxFaux> </general complaining>

20:38 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do a search on /home/nicholas/gcc-4.2.2-obj-mingw/include for ar.h.

20:39 <PovAddict> piping results into tail.php log

20:40 <MTughan> Only one?

20:40 <PovAddict> ahaa!

20:40 <PovAddict> ok, stop tail.php, as it will screw up right now

20:40 <MTughan> Yeah, that's the problem.

20:40 <MTughan> Done.

20:40 <FauxFaux> "10/01/2008 01:38:57|SHA-1 Collision Search Graz|Message from server: (won't finish in time) Computer on 100.0% of time, BOINC on 100.0% of that, this project gets 50.0% of that."

20:40 <FauxFaux> So angry.

20:41 <PovAddict> hmm

20:41 <PovAddict> FauxFaux: tried suspending all other projects?

20:41 <MTughan> I was getting a similar message a few days ago with yoyo because my Mac had just come from service.

20:41 <PovAddict> server takes into account the other work you have on your machine, maybe they don't get reported to server if they're suspended

20:42 <FauxFaux> The only other project is still downloading stuff, it's not even runinng anything, but the sha1 people won't give me more work-units, despite the fact that the ones I have are estimated (and probably will) finish within ten minutes of now.

20:42 <FauxFaux> Soon I'll have an endless suply of Rosetta units, and the anger will go away. :)

20:43 <Romulus> there are lots of energy.

20:43 <PovAddict> true Romulus

20:43 <FauxFaux> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, there it goes.

20:44 <FauxFaux> It makes me even more angry, as it's not as if they have an even remotely expensive work unit generator, why don't they just massively overcommit?

20:44 <FauxFaux> I should go post on the forum!

20:44 <FauxFaux> (I think we've been here before)

20:44 <PovAddict> go discharge your anger there

20:47 <xcamel> how about 2 quads running in paralell

20:48 <FauxFaux> Wouldn't get you any work-units. >.<

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20:49 <PovAddict> FauxFaux: tell them to enable ignore_delay_bound

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20:51 <xcamel> I should have that going in about a week or so

20:52 <wdsmia> Hmmm looks like Im going to have to go shopping

20:55 <MTughan> I'm off for a bit... Gonna sign XChat off, leave Colloquy on.

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21:03 <FreeLarry58> lol wdsmia just got done shopping to fix a blown up one here

21:03 <FreeLarry58> first quad hopefully by morning

21:03 * FreeLarry58 something else PovAddict can experiment with

21:04 <FreeLarry58> beginning to hook up the wires currently

21:06 * wdsmia watches FreeLarry hook up wires backwards and waits to see mobo caps blow

21:16 * FreeLarry58 keblewy - hears walls collapse behind him

21:16 * FreeLarry58 massive methane explosion -- again?

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21:17 <FreeLarry58> hopefully didn't damage the new ps last night when trying to get the old machine to come back up

21:18 <flight16> One of my cores seems retarded on my Core Duo :(

21:19 <PovAddict> retarded?

21:20 <flight16> Er.  Boinc hardly gets any CPU time at all on one of the cores.

21:20 <flight16> While the other one flys along.  And I'm not doing anything especially CPU intense.

21:26 <zombie67> back

21:27 <Tank_Master> ib

21:27 <Tank_Master> z - where did you get the infrom from QMC about the possible credit change?

21:27 <zombie67> project forum.

21:28 <zombie67> check you inbox

21:28 <Tank_Master> which inbox?

21:30 <zombie67> hotmail

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21:31 <Tank_Master> gn seth

21:32 <seth_sleeping> gn

21:39 <xcamel> {NNTN} "Modesto (CA) raises penalty for Dumpster diving"

21:40 <Tank_Master> lol

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21:41 <zombie67> and this is what we pay our law makers for...wasting time.

21:43 <xcamel> ya think?

21:43 <zombie67> xcamel, I gave more feedback...questions really.

21:46 <xcamel> I read it - very good.

21:49 <zombie67> thanks.

21:49 <zombie67> gotta run.  c ya!

21:54 <Tank_Master> tc z

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22:00 <Tank_Master> whats the credit comparison site?

22:00 <Tank_Master> the one shat shows RS 4.5x that of SETI?

22:02 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

22:02 *** xcamel is now known as xcamel_away

22:02 <Tank_Master> tc xcamel_away

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22:48 <_Danilo_> hi

22:48 <FreeLarry58> evening

22:50 <_Danilo_> in italy 4.50 am

22:50 <FreeLarry58> 750pm usa west coast

22:51 <_Danilo_> :)

22:52 <flight16> 1pm in japan

22:52 <flight16> we're also 10 minutes off

22:52 <FreeLarry58> and a day ahead of me

22:55 * FreeLarry58 goes back to grind stone of trying to read too small print on wires for hookup

22:57 <MTughan_> 11PM in Toronto...

22:57 *** MTughan_ is now known as MTughan

23:06 <MTughan> Gah... Well, VMware Converter can't read the Linux Debian installation for Linux apps.

23:07 <MTughan> Virtual PC is free though... I should plug my XP drive back in and try it.

23:07 <Tank_Master> :)

23:08 <MTughan> Because I do not want to run Virtual PC within VMware...

23:09 <Tank_Master> lol

23:10 <Tank_Master> virtual virtual world

23:14 * FreeLarry58 hops up and down - looks like all the littl wires in now for the major pieces and ps again

23:14 <Tank_Master> what did you do to the poor thing?

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23:27 <FreeLarry58> force fed the blown up mb out and new in along with q6600 processor

23:27 <FreeLarry58> daughter backed the old gamer to death

23:28 <FreeLarry58> cpu memory and video back in - now the fun with large wire bundles - after back settles back down

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