IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-01-10

00:27 <FreeLarry58> It Lives - now to setup bios

00:27 <MTughan> Oh wow... The VM for compiling Linux apps: uses GNOME 1.4 and GCC 2.95.4...

00:28 <MTughan> Folder for 2.95.3 on a GCC mirror site was last modified in Mar 2001...

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00:44 <FreeLarry58> how bout that windows xp wont boot up with new processor and board but fc6 does

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00:47 <efc> maybe needs drivers for differenc chipset?

00:47 <Tank_Master> is it just the proc that is different on the XP box?

00:47 <FreeLarry58> probably p35 chipset and windows wont even boot up in safe mode so drivers can be installed

00:48 <FreeLarry58> dual boot

00:48 <Tank_Master> ahh, still, is it just a proc change?

00:48 <FreeLarry58> getting ready to completely reformat and install fedora 8 on it tho

00:48 <FreeLarry58> nope mb and processor and more memory

00:48 <Tank_Master> cis if its the IDE controler, that will cause XP not to boot

00:49 <Tank_Master> ahh, the mobo isnt close enough to the same as the old one then

00:49 <Tank_Master> as far as the HD controler

00:50 <FreeLarry58> nope both are sata

00:50 <Tank_Master> bit r they both the same controler?

00:50 <Tank_Master> ie, both intel

00:50 <FreeLarry58> fc6 updating packages currently - think so but a couple years between

00:50 <Tank_Master> bot in the same RAID/ACHI/SATA mode

00:50 <Tank_Master> both*

00:51 <Tank_Master> not the controler is newer

00:51 <FreeLarry58> naw looks llike old was via

00:51 <Tank_Master> yek

00:51 <FreeLarry58> yah

00:51 <Tank_Master> via+ intel = puke

00:51 <FreeLarry58> got to go quiet down the dogs

01:00 <FreeLarry58> ohhh nice its getting the x86_64 packages

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01:03 <Tank_Master> sweet!

01:04 <Tank_Master> 64bit in any for is good stuff!

01:04 <Tank_Master> form*

01:04 <MTughan> TSP has 64-bit Mac apps now.

01:05 <FreeLarry58> have it for fedora 8 on disk for straight install

01:05 <Tank_Master> o.O?

01:05 <FreeLarry58> may interrupt that and just do complete install

01:05 <Tank_Master> nice MT

01:05 <FreeLarry58> fedora 8 x86_64

01:05 <Tank_Master> which versions of the MAC can it run on?

01:05 <FreeLarry58> fc6 showing all four cores

01:06 <MTughan> The 64-bit officially is only supported on Leopard.

01:12 <FreeLarry58> humm after memtest gets one good pass clean install of fedora 8 will start

01:14 <Tank_Master> nice

01:17 <FreeLarry58> well actually only thing on that machine i'll miss is the oblivion game and it can be reinstalled

01:17 <Tank_Master> :)

01:17 <Romulus> ok. i think its time of the whole time

01:18 <FreeLarry58> teach the wife to mess with my comp room - burn up one machine and then i'll upgrade to much better

01:19 <FreeLarry58> and actually think the nephew could recover the old board by soldering in new caps - don't see any other damage to it

01:19 <efc> I never got around to trying that

01:20 <FreeLarry58> i have but with no luck

01:20 <FreeLarry58> dont have the right tools or steady enough hands anymore

01:21 * FreeLarry58 shivers as he looks out window at what dogs barking at - its snowing

01:22 <Tank_Master> send some this way!

01:22 <efc> Desoldering pump and soldering gun enough to do it?

01:22 <FreeLarry58> dont worry Tank_Master its on its way

01:22 <FreeLarry58> ;)

01:23 <Tank_Master> SWEET!!!!

01:24 <FreeLarry58> cant believe the cpu prices now - got this c2Q6600 for same price as paid for the c2d6750 a couple of months ago

01:24 <Tank_Master> lol

01:24 <Tank_Master> and the 45nm quads arent goign to by much more

01:24 <FreeLarry58> 2.4Ghz verses 2.66Ghz

01:25 <Tank_Master> 315 for a 2.6 GHz with 1333FSB, 12MB cache...

01:25 <FreeLarry58> couldn't afford to look at the Q6700 tho starting around 520

01:26 <FreeLarry58> umm nice - maybe the wife will burn up one of my other machines

01:27 <FreeLarry58> 3 single cores 2 dual core and 2ht's 1 quad now

01:27 <flight16> Do you get better performance with 2 or 2 CPUs if you have a Core Duo?  My second core hardly gets any CPU time...

01:27 <Tank_Master> Q3 this year -

01:27 * FreeLarry58 need more quads

01:27 <Tank_Master> intel will release an octicore CPU with HT

01:27 <Tank_Master> 16 threads on one chip!

01:27 <FreeLarry58> basically quad with ht to claime octi

01:27 <Tank_Master> no

01:28 <Tank_Master> 8 cores

01:28 <Tank_Master> HT ontop of that

01:28 <FreeLarry58> ohh they been experimenting again then

01:28 <FreeLarry58> 16 wu at a time

01:28 <Tank_Master> its 2 "true" quadcore chips

01:28 <efc> They did that one with 75 cores or something like that..

01:28 <Tank_Master> err dies

01:28 <efc> as an experiment

01:28 <Tank_Master> 80 cores

01:28 <Tank_Master> but this isnt an experement

01:29 <Tank_Master> this will be relieced later this year

01:29 <FreeLarry58> must be reason priceing on quads so nice currently

01:29 <efc> Yes I'll take the 80 cores... yes this will be on FreeLarry's Mastercard

01:29 <Tank_Master> with intergrated mem conteroler (yes, like AMD)

01:29 <FreeLarry58> lol - no credit cards here

01:29 <Tank_Master> but unlike AMD, it will support tripple channel DDR3

01:30 <FreeLarry58> those are on wish list

01:30 <FreeLarry58> quad with 4 gig memory and dual channel

01:30 <FreeLarry58> hope it boost my rac

01:31 <Tank_Master> should

01:31 <Tank_Master> put ABC on it in 64bit mode and it will get you about 5kRAC

01:31 * FreeLarry58 makes note to self to update project prefs to 4 for multicore

01:31 <FreeLarry58> humm haven't got account with that - what do they do

01:32 <Tank_Master> math stuff

01:33 <Tank_Master> finding ABC triplets

01:33 <Wabbit67> hmmmm

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01:33 <FreeLarry58> ok just looked may join

01:33 <Wabbit98> quite a few math BOINC projects

01:33 <efc> Whats ABC?

01:34 <Tank_Master> a project

01:34 <Wabbit98> despite its name it is a math project

01:34 <Tank_Master> despite the name?

01:34 <Tank_Master> ABC, as in the sides of a triangle?

01:34 <Wabbit98> people might think its a alphabet project

01:34 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:35 <Wabbit98> <-- is not known for his sanity

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01:35 <Tank_Master> wb sethy

01:36 <efc> Finding integer ratio triangles I take it? I'd think that problem is well researched already.

01:36 <Romulus> sweet...but he can't do this....I don't know either anyway)

01:36 <Wabbit98> it needs to be reaserch more

01:37 <Wabbit98> until we find the question for the answer

01:37 <FreeLarry58> k set it to join 4 more projects

01:37 <Tank_Master> man, how simple it must be not to be in meny projects

01:37 <Wabbit98> hehehe

01:38 <Wabbit98> I couldn't imagine it

01:38 <Wabbit98> I need to be in them all, except vtu

01:38 <Tank_Master>

01:38 <Romulus> Title: Join Team SETI.USA (at

01:38 <MTughan> NO.

01:38 <Wabbit98> Free : which 4 projects?

01:38 <Tank_Master> I have (or had) an account in each of the ones on that list

01:38 * Wabbit98 is to lazy to scroll

01:38 <FreeLarry58> humm not connecting even tho set bam to create accounts

01:38 <Tank_Master> theres oh, I dunno, 70? projects on that page...

01:39 <Wabbit98> Artificial Intelligence System: <-- even that one TM?

01:39 <FreeLarry58> abc simap tsp and yoyo

01:39 <Tank_Master> yes, I have an accout there

01:39 <Tank_Master> and DECH (I think its DECH)

01:39 <Wabbit98> DECS?

01:39 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:40 <FreeLarry58> humm 16% on memory pass in 20 minutes

01:40 <Tank_Master> thats the one ;)

01:40 <Tank_Master> Generic Distributed Exact Cover Solver (DECS)

01:40 <Tank_Master>

01:41 <Wabbit98> I have an account on all projects on that page but one

01:41 <Tank_Master>

01:41 <Romulus> Title: DECS (at

01:41 <Wabbit98> I still can't join BOINC Alpha

01:41 <Tank_Master> ahh, yeah

01:41 <Tank_Master> its closed again

01:41 <Tank_Master> was open for a little while

01:42 <Wabbit98> and I didn't know

01:42 <MTughan> Oh crap... Almost 2AM!

01:42 <Wabbit98> the Force was not strong for me that day

01:42 <Tank_Master> gn MT

01:45 <Tank_Master> wabbit, what do you need for your city?

01:46 <Wabbit98> hmmm

01:46 <Wabbit98> people

01:46 <Wabbit98> to get drunk and fall dowen

01:46 <Tank_Master> sweet!

01:46 <Wabbit98> plenty of work right now, you might need factories

01:46 <Tank_Master> crap

01:46 <Tank_Master> you ave 5% unemp

01:47 <Wabbit98> we do?

01:47 <Tank_Master> I woulda done industry if you spoke up quicker ;)

01:47 <Tank_Master>

01:47 <Romulus> Title: MyMiniCity (at

01:47 <Tank_Master>

01:47 <Wabbit98> we are a modern Communist Republic, unemployment can not exist

01:47 <Romulus> Title: MyMiniCity (at

01:48 <Wabbit98> unemployment has been banned by John Edwards

01:48 <Tank_Master> lol

01:49 <Wabbit98> or was it the Great Council of Trent during the time of the Last Time War (which ironically was the only Time War)

01:51 <Wabbit98> the Time War always confuses me, battles happening before it happened and after it happened

01:51 <Tank_Master> sounds like you got it

01:51 <Wabbit98> I am a historian after all

01:51 <Wabbit98> call me Historian Who

01:52 <Wabbit98> a new show from the BBC

01:52 <Tank_Master> :)

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01:52 <Wabbit98> with an ability to put everyone to sleep within 5 minutes

01:54 <Tank_Master> lol

01:54 <Wabbit98> I should write Heroes

01:54 <Wabbit98> with the strike and all

02:03 <FreeLarry58> install starting

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02:37 <Tank_Master> givin the quietness in the room, im off to bed

02:38 <Wabbit98> night TM

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03:57 <efc> After looking at the some of the s@h code.. some of it at least would be great in hardware

03:57 <efc> the folding routines

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04:21 <mweltin> has anyone here had trouble building svn from source?

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04:24 <CoderForLife> better yet, anyone here?

04:25 <efc> moo

04:25 <CoderForLife> morning efc

04:25 * CoderForLife yawns, big time

04:25 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 34.5F / 1.4C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Becoming cloudy. Showers developing by early afternoon. A chance of thunderstorms late. Highs in the lower 50s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then (1 more message)

04:26 <efc> &weather 31088

04:26 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 60F / 16C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds up to 10 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Showers and thunderstorms likely in the evening...then showers with a chance of (1 more message)

04:26 <CoderForLife> &more

04:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers likely after midnight. Locally heavy rainfall possible in the evening. Lows in the upper 30s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Friday - Cloudy. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

04:35 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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04:37 <mweltin> either of you build svn ever?

04:41 <efc> Nope, sorry

04:43 <CoderForLife> efc speaks for us both

04:43 <CoderForLife> or there are 2 efc's

04:44 <mweltin> I think I got it

04:45 <mweltin> what is swig

04:46 <CoderForLife>

04:46 <Romulus> Title: Simplified Wrapper and Interface Generator (at

04:46 <mweltin> nice

04:46 <mweltin> sounds simple enough

04:47 <CoderForLife> by definition

04:47 <mweltin> man I got to say I hate the rpm

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04:47 <mweltin> or packages in general for that matter.

04:53 <mweltin> mising neon

04:53 <mweltin> whatever that is.

04:53 <mweltin> still can't load apache with svn but  I dont' care about that

04:53 <mweltin> later

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04:57 <clusty> anyone know how to erase all traces of workunits from a project?

05:04 <sethy> morning all _o/

05:11 <CoderForLife> _o/

05:11 <sethy> may need to restart modem

05:12 <sethy> s/modem/router

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05:24 <sethy> :)

05:26 <sethy> still no improvements :(

05:28 <CoderForLife> s/bye/wb/g

05:29 <sethy> >;o?

05:29 <CoderForLife> I'm off to w@#% - good luck with the router-thing sethy

05:30 <sethy> its isp problem more than router - tc

05:30 <CoderForLife> whatever - the wish is the same

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05:50 <xcamel_away> boo

06:05 <sethy> college taim

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06:07 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

06:07 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 32F / 0C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Cloudy. A chance of snow in the morning...then snow likely in the afternoon. Snow accumulation less than 1 inch. High in the mid 30s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. East wind near 10 mph shifting to the north in the afternoon. (1 more message)

06:07 <wdsmia> &more

06:07 <Romulus> wdsmia: Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Colder. Low in the lower 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 30s. West wind near 10 mph.;

06:23 <hawmps> 'lo

06:23 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

06:28 <FreeLarry58> well almost bed time - new quad up and dling poinc projects already

06:28 <hawmps> 'lo Doug

06:28 <FreeLarry58> boinc

06:29 <FreeLarry58> lo jay doug

06:30 <wdsmia> mornin Larry

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06:34 <FreeLarry58> finally got myhome123 back online with new mb proc memory and ps

06:34 <FreeLarry58> oh and new os

06:35 <Bad_At_Home> Morning larry & wdsmia

06:35 <FreeLarry58> morn Bad_At_Home

06:35 <wdsmia> mornin BB

06:35 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

06:35 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 9.7F / -12.4C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 23.65in / 800.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs 39 to 45. Light winds...becoming southwest around 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 11 to 21. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs 41 to 47. Light winds becoming west around 15 mph in the (1 more message)

06:35 <Tidus> howdy all

06:36 <Bad_At_Home> &more

06:36 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: afternoon.;

06:36 <Romulus> but mustang was prob the best way I learn.

06:36 <FreeLarry58> poor isp being abused with all these dl's brr bb

06:36 <FreeLarry58> howdy Tidus

06:36 <Tidus> how's it going larry?

06:37 <Bad_At_Home> its 10 degrees high lol its -1 on my guage\\

06:37 <Bad_At_Home> termoetrt

06:37 <hawmps> cooled down here, but still fairly nice..

06:37 <Bad_At_Home> lol

06:38 <Tidus> &weather 72765

06:38 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 39.4F / 4.1C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1004.6hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Slight chance of sprinkles in the morning. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph decreasing to up to 10 mph after (1 more message)

06:38 <Tidus> &more

06:38 <Romulus> Tidus: midnight.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. Light winds.;

06:38 <Bad_At_Home> 1/2 a sleep & fat fingers

06:39 <hawmps> 38F at 6:30 which is above the normal daily high

06:39 <Tidus> can't remember what the normal daily high is here...

06:43 <FreeLarry58> mid 30's to mid 40's around here

06:43 <FreeLarry58> &weather 98366

06:43 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 32F / 0C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Snow or rain and snow mixed on the Kitsap peninsula around Bremerton. Up to three inches accumulation of wet snow on the Kitsap peninsula. Rain over Seattle with a little light snow mixed in at times this evening. No snow accumulation (1 more message)

06:43 <FreeLarry58> &more

06:43 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: expected around Seattle. Lows in the lower 30s on the Kitsap peninsula and in the mid to upper 30s around Seattle. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Showers. Highs in the mid to upper 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.; Thursday Night - Showers. Lows near 40. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Snow Advisory for Kitsap County in effect until 4:00 AM PST on January 10, 2008;

06:44 <FreeLarry58> guess that why snow still on ground that came down last night

06:46 <FreeLarry58> 1567 and 5195 not bad for each of 4 cors

06:47 <FreeLarry58> but looks like its going to have same problem with burp

06:49 <wdsmia> ?

06:49 <FreeLarry58> 32 bit app in 64 bit os missing

06:50 <clusty> anyone's seen povaddict in the last 2 days?

06:50 <FreeLarry58> altho it runs fine in x64 windows

06:50 <FreeLarry58> he's been around

06:51 <clusty> btw are you knowledgeble with boinc project setup?

06:51 <clusty> :D

06:51 <FreeLarry58> &seen Povaddict

06:51 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Povaddict was last seen in #boinc 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <PovAddict> retarded?

06:51 <FreeLarry58> not me

06:51 <clusty> trying to get first proj going

06:52 <FreeLarry58> maybe MTughan

06:52 <FreeLarry58> &seen MTughan

06:52 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: MTughan was last seen in #boinc 5 hours, 10 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <MTughan> Oh crap... Almost 2AM!

06:52 <FreeLarry58> oops later than that here now

06:52 <FreeLarry58> &nn all

06:52 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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07:33 <MTughan> Heh, nice going GL.

07:33 <MTughan> FL*

07:34 <MTughan> clusty: PovAddict isn't here now. He probably experienced another power outage at his house, and most likely will be back later today. Should be about 9:30 where he is.

07:35 <clusty> MTughan, do you know how i can totally erase workunits from a project?

07:35 <clusty> i managed to just cancel them

07:35 <MTughan> Sorry, I don't run my own project.

07:36 <MTughan> From what I know, PovAddict, mweltin, and yoyo[RKN] all run their own projects. Any of them will know.

07:36 <MTughan> When they join, that is.

07:36 <clusty> thanx

07:36 <clusty> wrote down list of people

07:36 <clusty> ;D

07:36 <MTughan> And I must be off to school...

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07:47 <PovAddict> I really need to start looking at UPS prices

07:51 <PovAddict> outage last night, but this time caused by lightning

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07:57 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

07:57 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 2F / -16.7C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 37 on the North Rim to around 56 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 13 on the North Rim to around 36 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 42 on (1 more message)

07:57 <BadBarbarian> &more

07:57 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: the North Rim to around 57 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

08:02 <PovAddict> clusty: ping

08:02 <clusty> PovAddict, wooow

08:02 <clusty> PovAddict, his highness

08:02 <clusty> PovAddict, :D

08:03 <clusty> 1 have a few questions about projects

08:03 <clusty> i wanna set my own

08:03 <PovAddict> it seems our timezones are opposite... or something

08:03 <clusty> yeah

08:03 <clusty> me europe, you S america

08:03 <clusty> if i got it right

08:03 <clusty> good 6-7h difference

08:03 <clusty> how can I delete workunits from project

08:04 <clusty> i can just cancel them for now

08:04 <PovAddict> from the ops interface, cancel_wu_form.php

08:04 <clusty> they aer still in the SQL dabases

08:04 <clusty> are*

08:04 <Tidus> holy crap BadBarbarian ... it's cold where you are

08:04 <PovAddict> yep...

08:04 <PovAddict> why do you want them off the database?

08:05 <clusty> because they are just bogus for now

08:05 <clusty> they fail because of different reasons

08:05 <PovAddict> if they're canceled, they shouldn't be getting sent or anything

08:06 <clusty> another problem is i gotta find a new name always. seems to me that if i create new WUs with same name they don't get sent

08:06 <PovAddict> correct, workunit names should always be unique

08:06 <clusty> running out of names :D

08:07 <clusty> so there is no easy way to wipe them out?

08:07 <PovAddict> even if you delete them from the database, workunit names should *still* be unique, even compared to old deleted workunits

08:07 <PovAddict> since a client may very well have one of those now-deleted workunits

08:07 <clusty> ok ok i get it

08:08 <clusty> now seems logical

08:08 <PovAddict> if you have a number on the workunit name, or maybe even the creation date, I don't see how you could ever "run out" :)

08:08 <clusty> second question pertains to apps that have external so's or dll's

08:09 <clusty> does boinc take care of sending the client a fully runable app or i have to tell it specifically all deps the app needs?

08:09 <Tidus> clusty: boinc usually takes care of sending a fully runnable app

08:09 <PovAddict> well no, boinc has no idea what you're sending

08:10 <PovAddict> you could even send something that's not even an executable binary and it will only fail when the client tries to run it

08:10 <clusty> i noticed that eistein@home for ex sends several so's

08:11 <clusty> how can I tell boinc that the app contains a bunch of other files?

08:11 <clusty> or i tell boinc what is binary name and send SO's as if they were whatever files?

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08:11 <PovAddict> clusty:

08:11 <Romulus> <> (at

08:12 <clusty> thanx

08:12 <clusty> and one last question :D

08:12 <PovAddict> lies

08:12 <PovAddict> I bet it won't be the last ;)

08:12 <clusty> last for this session

08:12 <PovAddict> fair enough

08:12 <clusty> i can;t compile the work generation app from here:

08:13 <Romulus> <> (at

08:13 <clusty> oops

08:13 <clusty>

08:13 <Romulus> <> (at

08:13 <clusty> here

08:13 <PovAddict> what app?

08:13 <PovAddict> "Making one workunit"?

08:13 <clusty> yes

08:13 <clusty> what do i have to link against?

08:13 <clusty> compiles and fails at linking

08:14 <hawmps> ...easier than making the donuts...

08:14 <PovAddict> interesting question... probably some 'libboinc.a' or something

08:14 <clusty> lemme try

08:14 <PovAddict> sched/libsched.a

08:16 <clusty> g++ -I/usr/local/include/BOINC/ -I/home/vlazar/boinc/lib torturer.C -lboinc_api  -o torturer.c -L/home/vlazar/boinc/sched/ -lsched

08:16 <clusty> is my command line

08:16 <clusty> fails

08:17 <PovAddict> use -lboinc instead of -lboinc_api

08:17 <PovAddict> I think boinc_api is only to build science applications

08:17 <clusty> /home/vlazar/boinc/sched/../db/boinc_db.C:63: multiple definition of `WORKUNIT::clear()'

08:17 <clusty> should i send you my file?

08:17 <clusty> anyways

08:18 <clusty> i can handle this

08:18 <clusty> its getting tedious

08:18 <clusty> not worth wasting your time

08:18 <clusty> thought you had the magical answer

08:18 <clusty> thanks a lot for help

08:18 <PovAddict> I just updated UpdateVersions wiki page to add examples, should be clearer now how to do multi-file apps

08:19 <clusty> great :D

08:19 <clusty> took me a while to get an example app working

08:20 <PovAddict> send me your torturer.C, I'll see if I can build it (when I'm done building the APIs from latest code)

08:22 <clusty> i lied as it seems :D

08:22 <clusty> i have an extra question

08:23 <clusty> upper_case gives "computation error" as status in client

08:23 <clusty> what does this mean?

08:23 <clusty> is it the bad assimilator i used (some default stuff)?

08:24 <PovAddict> on the project website, go to Your account, then Results, then click on a result that gave computation error; it should have the log there

08:25 <clusty> -177 (0xffffff4f) ERR_RSC_LIMIT_EXCEEDED

08:26 <clusty> are you getting the dcc send?

08:26 <clusty> of file

08:26 <PovAddict> no it still says "starting"

08:27 <PovAddict> ok, some resource exceeded its limit - if it's CPU time, you should increase "rsc_fpops_bound"

08:28 <clusty>

08:28 <Romulus> Title: C++ pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

08:28 <clusty> PovAddict, where do i chnage that?

08:28 <PovAddict> line 33 of your paste, for example :)

08:28 <PovAddict> or, on the workunit template

08:29 <PovAddict> or, if you're using the create_work tool on the command line, -rsc_fpops_bound switch

08:31 <clusty> what is a sensitive value?

08:33 <clusty> sensible :D

08:33 <clusty> damn this english :D

08:33 <PovAddict> well, for your tests, you could increase it by a few orders of magnitude, since you have access to the only client anyway

08:35 <clusty> worked

08:35 <clusty> thanx

08:50 <clusty> PovAddict, the windows variant is not downloading app on client side: temporarily failed download of uppercase_5.10_windows_intelx86.exe: http error

08:50 <clusty> ideas?

08:50 <PovAddict> strance

08:50 <PovAddict> strange+

08:50 <PovAddict> check manually if it's on the download directory

08:50 <Romulus> i looked only 400+ pending now for burp mirror

08:51 <clusty> uppercase_5.10_windows_intelx86.exe is there

08:51 <clusty> i dame it same way as I did with adding linux app

09:02 <PovAddict> finally got torturer compiled

09:02 <PovAddict> I had openssl trouble on this machine

09:02 <clusty> so what is the command line?

09:02 <PovAddict> as for libs, libsched.a, libboinc.a, -lmysqlclient, -lcrypto

09:09 <clusty> ummmm

09:09 <clusty> its not working:

09:09 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

09:10 <PovAddict> try *not* using the installed libs

09:10 <clusty> ok

09:10 <PovAddict> hold on

09:11 <clusty> my momma tought me never to link against .a's :D

09:11 <PovAddict> and I was told to never run "make install" on boinc

09:11 <PovAddict> try this

09:11 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

09:11 <clusty> ok. will do make uninstall and never do it again

09:12 <PovAddict> wait

09:12 <PovAddict> that's wrong; but let's save typing

09:12 <PovAddict>

09:12 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

09:15 <clusty> same stuff

09:15 <PovAddict> hmm

09:15 <clusty>

09:15 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

09:16 <PovAddict> cd /home/vlazar/boinc; make clean; make;

09:18 <clusty> i could maybe kill ccache. who knows if its screwing up some stuff

09:18 <PovAddict> did it work after recompiling boinc?

09:19 <clusty> in process

09:19 <PovAddict> I'm trying to compile gcc and it seems to start a friggin' forkbomb on my system...

09:20 <clusty> :D

09:20 <clusty> nope

09:20 <clusty> same stuff

09:20 <PovAddict> ok, this may take even longer:

09:20 <clusty> nvm

09:20 <clusty> i can fix it meself

09:20 <clusty> :D

09:20 <clusty> time

09:21 <PovAddict> wait, do you have a dualcore there?

09:21 <PovAddict> on the server

09:21 <clusty> yes

09:21 <PovAddict> then we can make it faster :)

09:21 <PovAddict> reconfigure and recompile all boinc: cd /home/vlazar/boinc; make distclean; ./_autosetup; ./configure --disable-client; make -j3;

09:22 <PovAddict> the -j3 will make it compile three things at a time

09:22 <clusty> cute

09:22 <clusty> did a make maintainer-clean

09:22 <PovAddict> distclean removes *everything*, forcing you to run configure again

09:22 <PovAddict> make sure you're using --disable-client

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09:23 <clusty> was using it

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09:24 <Romulus> oh well, I have been converted Toms

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09:32 <clusty> PovAddict, no changes with errors

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10:09 <BadBarbarian> &weather 83429

10:10 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 12F / -11.1C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Snow likely. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches with locally higher amounts. Highs 23 to 33.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of snow. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches with locally higher amounts. Lows 12 to 22.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a (1 more message)

10:10 <BadBarbarian> *more

10:10 <BadBarbarian> &more

10:10 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: chance of snow showers. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Highs 24 to 34.;

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10:25 <hawmps> we might get some snow back in monday - most everything is gone now..

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10:55 <Tank_Master> &cad

10:55 <Romulus>

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13:23 <zombie67> DA is officially on crack

13:27 <seth_afk> DeviantArt?

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13:27 <PovAddict> careful what you say, I may link him to channel logs

13:28 <sethy> ?

13:28 <PovAddict> zombie67: do you run enigma@home?

13:28 <zombie67> "The normalization rule applies to ALL hosts, not just those participating in the project.  The rule says that if all hosts in the world attached to the project exclusively, and ran 24/7, they would be granted an average of 100 units/day

13:28 <zombie67> "

13:29 <zombie67> not currently, I hit my 100k goal

13:29 <PovAddict> ever tried the optimized apps?

13:29 <zombie67> not yet.  they came out after I hit my goal

13:30 <zombie67> How does one calculate "all hosts in the world attached to the project exclusively, and ran 24/7, they would be granted an average of 100 units/day"

13:30 <zombie67> ?

13:31 <zombie67> are you having problems with the opp app?

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13:31 <PovAddict> WTF

13:32 <PovAddict> I just had a WU finish in 2 minutes

13:35 <ChristianB> Hi there

13:35 <zombie67> hello

13:36 <PovAddict> another at 4 mins and still going - maybe that WU that started with normal app and continued with optimized app caused crash...

13:36 <sethy> PovAddict: 4chan time?

13:37 <sethy> there is /s/ in /hr/

13:38 <zombie67> could be.  or could be a dead-end translation maybe?

13:38 <PovAddict> dunno, I never watched runtimes closely here

13:38 <PovAddict> on enigma

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13:40 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do you know where configure for BOINC picks up include files? Because in the Makefiles, -I/usr/include is in there, and that's interfering with my build script.

13:41 <MTughan> Been looking though the files with grep, and it doesn't seem to be hardcoded. So I'm thinking it's from a config script somewhere, but I don't know...

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13:42 <PovAddict> the configure script is adding that, yeah

13:42 <PovAddict> where in the makefile is that -I?

13:42 <MTughan> CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS.

13:42 <PovAddict> try ./configure CFLAGS="" CXXFLAGS=""

13:42 <MTughan> And that's in all Makefiles for all subdirs.

13:42 <PovAddict> (and the usual switches)

13:43 <MTughan> I'm setting the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS already.

13:43 <MTughan> ./configure --disable-server --disable-client CFLAGS="-isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -arch i386 -mmacosx-version-min=10.4" CXXFLAGS="-isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -arch i386 -mmacosx-version-min=10.4" LDFLAGS=-Wl,-syslibroot,/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk

13:43 <PovAddict> and the configure script *adds* that?

13:44 <MTughan> Configure's adding "-I/usr/include -I/usr/include/openssl -D_THREAD_SAFE"

13:44 <MTughan> But it's just -I/usr/include that's bugging me.

13:44 <PovAddict> why is it?

13:44 <MTughan> Why is it what?

13:44 <PovAddict> why is it bugging you?

13:44 <zombie67> How does one calculate "if all hosts in the world attached to the project exclusively, and ran 24/7, they would be granted an average of 100 units/day"?

13:45 <PovAddict> ask him

13:45 <MTughan> Because that's where I'm getting undefined symbols from.

13:45 <zombie67> sorry...

13:45 <zombie67> I had the wrong windows active

13:45 <MTughan> Heh.

13:45 <PovAddict> MTughan: tried removing it from the makefile and seeing if anything still works?

13:45 <MTughan> It does work, but my script autoconfigures too.

13:46 <MTughan> So I need a way to remove it on the fly (sed could probably do that) or make sure it doesn't get in initially.

13:46 <PovAddict> I don't understand why that include path causes problems

13:46 <MTughan> Because I want it to use the includes in the SDK.

13:47 <MTughan> I would think -isysroot does that, but I'm still getting errors...

13:48 <MTughan> This is my script BTW:

13:49 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 849682 (at

13:49 <MTughan> The calls to lipo are new, but I know they work. You don't have to worry about them.

13:50 <PovAddict> if you link an app against a "universal binary" library, does it get both versions inside too?

13:50 <MTughan> No.

13:50 <PovAddict> say, if you link a ppc app against a universal lib, does it end up getting both ppc and intel library code?

13:51 <MTughan> No, just the appropriate code.

13:51 <PovAddict> good

13:51 <MTughan> Just discovered that today, and the file sizes are the same.

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14:03 <MTughan> WTF? Some guys also in spare here are punching holes through coins with a hole punch...

14:10 <Tank_Master> sweet?

14:11 <PovAddict> on the last changes of CreditProposal...

14:11 <PovAddict> the list of problems is now bigger than the proposal itself

14:11 <Tank_Master> LOL

14:12 <Tank_Master> isnt that how berkely works?

14:12 <Tank_Master> look at their servers "that shouldnt happen, ill look at it later, for now ill just reboot"

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14:20 <sethy> &explosm

14:20 <Romulus>

14:20 <sethy> hay nic.....

14:22 <sethy> i dont like the look of the ISP's phone number

14:22 <sethy> too many 0's

14:22 <Tank_Master> lol

14:22 <sethy> 08000838000

14:22 <Tank_Master> 555-100-0011

14:22 <sethy> better than mine

14:23 <Romulus> someone replaced my entire afternoon, from when I took a ton of viruses and adware

14:23 <sethy> atleast its binary

14:23 * sethy calls

14:23 <sethy> what the hell

14:24 <sethy> their offices are open from 9 till 5

14:24 <sethy> at AOl it was 8:00AM till midnight

14:26 <Tank_Master> call center is in the states?

14:26 <sethy> no

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14:28 <Tank_Master> wb MT

14:29 <MTughan> Thanks...

14:32 <hawmps> 'lo Mike

14:32 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

14:35 <sethy> ok these guys are more pro

14:35 <sethy> 31337

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14:37 <Tank_Master> mw!

14:38 <FreeLarry58> PovAddict new machine up but only two users me and boinc same pw .103

14:38 <FreeLarry58> se what you think

14:41 <sethy> 6.958 % cmd - 54 hours 27 minutes

14:41 <sethy> s/cmd/cpdn

14:41 <PovAddict> MTughan: are you recompiling all your libs?

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14:41 <PovAddict> :-\

14:48 * sethy is on hold again

14:48 <sethy> ~.~$

14:48 <FreeLarry58> wonders how often yoyo updates pages

14:48 <sethy> when they go to the botom

14:51 <FreeLarry58> simap doesn't allow sign in by email addy?

14:51 <sethy> it doesnt take this long seriously to pull up my record...

14:51 <PovAddict> of course it allows tha

14:51 <PovAddict> t

14:51 <sethy> :@?

14:53 <sethy> mkay...

14:53 <sethy> fags

14:54 * FreeLarry58 hides red face - hit wrong button

14:54 <Tank_Master> &math 710099.279233 - 653674.007566

14:54 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 56425.271667

14:54 <mweltin> &google calc 710099.279233 -  653674.00756

14:54 <Romulus> mweltin: 710,099.279233 - 653,674.00756 = 56,425.2717

14:55 <Tank_Master> already did it ;)

14:55 <PovAddict> &list url

14:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: last and stats

14:55 <PovAddict> &url stats

14:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: I have 8375 URLS in my database.

14:55 <PovAddict> &url last

14:55 <Romulus> PovAddict:

14:56 <Tank_Master> &url first

14:56 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

14:56 <Tank_Master> dumb bot

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14:59 <hawmps> fix the damn dependency on pysqlite ver 1.0x and it won't be a "dumb bot"

15:00 <FreeLarry58> and how do you fix that hawmps?

15:00 <Tank_Master> that would be nice

15:01 <sethy> i'm going back and forth here...

15:01 <hawmps> If I knew, it would be fixed by now...

15:02 <hawmps> hmmm.. another nasty storm front headed this way...

15:02 <FreeLarry58> lol yah the link is very unhelpful

15:02 <PovAddict> hawmps: 59.27% poll

15:03 <hawmps>

15:03 <Romulus> Title: Sypybot Com (at

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15:03 <PovAddict> looks like domain squatters

15:03 <PovAddict>

15:03 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to! Supybot Website (at

15:03 <hawmps> seems jmfinch has no intention of fixing it...

15:04 <FreeLarry58> first one give spybot page

15:04 <hawmps>

15:04 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to! Supybot Website (at

15:05 <sethy> why is the call center in india?

15:05 <hawmps> "The preferred version of PySQLite to use is the latest 1.0.x version. This utilizes SQLite 2.x. PySQLite version 1.1.x isn't recommended because it has some API problems. PySQLite version 2.x won't work because it uses a different namespace."

15:06 <PovAddict> hmm incorrect

15:06 <hawmps> that just sounds lazy to me...

15:06 <PovAddict> "supybot won't work with version 2.x because 2.x uses a different namespace and I'm too lazy to update the bot"

15:06 <PovAddict> that sounds more like it

15:06 <hawmps> whoever fixes it is gonna get a big gold star...

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15:09 <FreeLarry58> and didn't see either one on thier plugin page

15:10 <PovAddict> &calc 26**2

15:10 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".

15:10 <PovAddict> oh cmon

15:10 <PovAddict> &math calc 26**2

15:10 <Romulus> PovAddict: 676

15:11 <hawmps> it only effects the plugins that need a database to work (excluding markov)

15:13 <PovAddict> you may want to "&config commands.defaultPlugins.calc Math" so that "calc" = "math calc" by default...

15:20 <mweltin> hey PovAddict

15:20 <mweltin> turns out Tank_Master's problem was a corrupt index file

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15:20 <PovAddict> ah cool, all solved?

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15:21 <mweltin> yeah  "repail table team;"

15:21 <mweltin> running like a champ now.

15:21 <mweltin> irc can be very cool sometimes.

15:22 <mweltin> #mysql had me fixed in no time.

15:22 <mweltin> I'm still having some svn issues but doesn't matter

15:23 <PovAddict> like?

15:23 <PovAddict> svn server?

15:23 <mweltin> apache won't start if svn mods are loaded

15:23 <mweltin> not sure why, but I'm not using it for that so I don't care too much right now.

15:23 <PovAddict> no prob, remember you're now leaving svn problems to Origo :)

15:24 <mweltin> well to get the boinc source I needed svn

15:24 <mweltin> running on my new host.

15:24 <PovAddict> yeah but you don't need a svn server, or apache set with svn mods

15:24 <PovAddict> only the client

15:26 <mweltin> yeah

15:31 <sethy> this is like the 6th transfer ...

15:34 <sethy> AH F@#%&NG HELL

15:35 <sethy> they say the problem should be resolved in the next 24 hours

15:36 <sethy> i was literally transfered like 6 times then

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15:50 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

15:50 <yoyo[RKN]> all sleeping

15:50 <yoyo[RKN]> had a nice trip through Kiev restaurants with my russian collegues

15:51 <yoyo[RKN]> maybe that i write some drunken stupids

15:51 <Tank_Master> lol

15:52 <yoyo[RKN]> you are here, means I have to go to sleep;)

15:52 * xcamel_away is back.

15:52 *** xcamel_away is now known as xcamel

15:52 <yoyo[RKN]> saw that you crunched some evos for yoyo@home on a 1GHz system

15:53 <PovAddict> I'd do some yoyo but I have my computer busy with four projects

15:53 <yoyo[RKN]> webe xcamel

15:53 <PovAddict> solution: get more computers -.-'

15:53 <yoyo[RKN]> ^-^

15:53 <PovAddict> bah

15:54 <Tank_Master> yoyo[RKN] -me?

15:54 <PovAddict> I'll drop enigma and start yoyo evo

15:54 <PovAddict> url plz

15:54 <Tank_Master> I have about 35 P3 1GHz running evo

15:54 <Tank_Master> its the same url as yoyo

15:54 <PovAddict> I know

15:54 <yoyo[RKN]> some yoyo crunchers are blaming that evo credits are to low, David blames, that credits are to high

15:55 <PovAddict> give me yoyo url plz since I'm too lazy to start a browser

15:55 <yoyo[RKN]>

15:55 <Romulus> Title: yoyo@home (at

15:56 <PovAddict> downloading

15:57 <yoyo[RKN]> there are more than 4000 waiting for downloading

15:58 <xcamel> afternoon..

15:58 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: started:

15:58 <PovAddict> does it have progress reporting?

15:58 <PovAddict> yay, it does

15:58 <yoyo[RKN]> yes every 30s

15:58 <yoyo[RKN]> but NO checkpoints

16:00 <PovAddict> ETA is going up...

16:02 <sethy> rawr?

16:04 <Tank_Master> intel demos new chip - smaller than a dine!

16:04 <Tank_Master>

16:04 <Romulus> <> (at

16:08 <mweltin> PovAddict, if I configure apapche2 with the --enable-ssl does that imply I have mod_ssl?

16:08 <mweltin> I ask because I'm looking at the software prerequisites for boinc

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16:09 <mweltin> does anyone know how to check which python modules are installed on a box?

16:09 <mweltin> centOS box that is.

16:10 <bryanUC> mweltin: I think --enable-ssl forces mod_ssl

16:10 <bryanUC> I Don't know of another way

16:10 <bryanUC> in terms of the python modules...

16:11 <PovAddict> mweltin: I don't understand why mod_ssl is needed...

16:11 <PovAddict> you definitely need OpenSSL on the machine, for all the crypto stuff needed by BOINC (like signing executables)

16:11 <mweltin> bryanUC, so here is what I don't get I went to the mod_ssl site and it only has version for apache 1.x

16:11 <PovAddict> but mod_ssl on apache... I don't thnik so

16:11 <Romulus> the most random comment I've heard...

16:11 <PovAddict> Rommie, look at a mirror

16:12 <mweltin> the prerequistes page asks for apache wiht mod_ssl

16:12 <PovAddict> I know

16:12 <PovAddict> but I don't think it's needed

16:12 <PovAddict> I shall go ask ->

16:13 <mweltin> PovAddict, do you know how to check python mods ?

16:13 <bryanUC> my boinc server doesn't have it

16:13 <mweltin> ok

16:13 <bryanUC> and it's 2.2.x

16:14 <bryanUC> although mod_ssl is loaded via --enable-ssl

16:14 <bryanUC> nm

16:14 <bryanUC> lol

16:14 <mweltin> ok

16:14 <bryanUC> it's built as a module though

16:14 <mweltin> opensl is already installed so that is good.

16:14 <bryanUC> yeah, then you're fine

16:14 <mweltin> nope i have 0.9.7

16:14 <mweltin> need 0.9.8+

16:17 <FreeLarry58> humm i see i need to refresh cpu clock speed on new machine any way to do that with putty/ssh?

16:17 <PovAddict> refresh cpu clock speed?

16:17 <PovAddict> isn't that done from the bios?

16:17 * FreeLarry58 also thinks need to change bios to disable eist

16:18 <FreeLarry58> 2.4 running at 1.6 according to cpuinfo

16:18 <FreeLarry58> model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz

16:18 <FreeLarry58> stepping        : 11

16:18 <FreeLarry58> cpu MHz         : 1600.000

16:19 <FreeLarry58> bogomips        : 4799.87

16:19 <FreeLarry58> currently cpu under full load

16:20 <mweltin> 156.89K/s

16:20 <mweltin> hahahahahaa

16:20 <PovAddict> did you just download a tiny file?

16:20 <PovAddict> tiny enough to really screw up the speed calculation?

16:20 <mweltin> no a big one openssl source.

16:21 <PovAddict> 156.89K/s on your connection?!

16:21 <mweltin> that was on the new server

16:21 <mweltin> I wish

16:21 <PovAddict> oh RIGHT

16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> good night

16:27 <PovAddict> geek party time

16:27 <PovAddict> unix timestamp 1200000000

16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> <-- sleeping

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16:27 <mweltin> oh I hate packages

16:28 <PovAddict> mweltin: type "date +%s"

16:29 <mweltin> 1200000551

16:29 <sethy> date +%s

16:29 <PovAddict>

16:29 <Romulus> <> (at

16:30 <FreeLarry58> ahh much better cpu MHz         : 2399.999

16:30 <FreeLarry58> bogomips        : 4799.86

16:33 <PovAddict> mweltin: did you stop releasing GA?

16:33 <PovAddict> you should stop both workgens to let all the resends get through; also, no work available makes it easier to migrate servers

16:34 <mweltin> GA workgen was stopped a long time ago.

16:35 <mweltin> right now mysqldb python mod is more important to me.

16:37 <mweltin> what is dovecot ?

16:37 <PovAddict> no idea

16:37 <FreeLarry58> ohh much better bm's 2238 and 6635

16:38 <mweltin> ok I need a suggestion on the server config.

16:38 <mweltin> I have a python package installed, but the mysqldb python mod wont install.

16:38 <mweltin> its says its looking for a version of libmysqlclient that I dont' have.

16:38 <PovAddict> what version of mysql?

16:39 <mweltin> I installed 5.0.51 from source last night, but there is also the rpm of 4.1.20 installed.

16:39 <PovAddict> well, when installing from source, didn't it come with a libmysqlclient?

16:40 <mweltin> yes, but .so.15 not .so.10 which the mysql-python mod is looking for.

16:40 <mweltin> will a synlink work?

16:40 <PovAddict> hmm

16:40 <PovAddict> no probably won't

16:40 <PovAddict> they changed the name for a reason

16:41 <PovAddict> probably because it's binary-incompatible

16:41 <mweltin> so I'm looking at a pythong install then ?

16:41 <mweltin> from source?

16:41 <PovAddict> what distro do you have on the new server?

16:41 <mweltin> centOS

16:41 <PovAddict> well no idea about it

16:41 <mweltin> i didnt' have a lot of choices

16:41 <mweltin> it was that or RHE

16:42 <PovAddict> you're installing packages with yum?

16:42 <mweltin> unless i download it like I did with the rpm off the wiki/PythonMysql page

16:43 <mweltin> I'll try  yum install MySQL-python

16:43 <mweltin> to see what happens

16:43 <FreeLarry58> centos5 is redhadenterprise except open source

16:43 <PovAddict> redhat is open source too, or they would be in legal trouble

16:43 <mweltin> yeah and I'm not a fan of RH

16:44 <mweltin> so by extension centOS

16:44 <PovAddict> centos is just "freely available", rh is not

16:44 <FreeLarry58> centos doesn't have the propatory things in it that redhad has patent trademarks is all

16:44 <FreeLarry58> also redhat charges for support

16:45 <mweltin> well the yum install worked.

16:45 <mweltin> but I'm a little weary about the fact that the mysql package is older then the database I'm going to use.

16:46 <mweltin> gosh I don't like packages

16:46 <mweltin> did I say that already

16:46 <FreeLarry58> alt.os.linux.redhat nntp?

16:46 <PovAddict> oh that will not work nice :-\

16:46 <PovAddict> what version of centOS?

16:47 <PovAddict> differing client and server versions for mysql might cause problems

16:47 <mweltin> doesn't uname give that info

16:47 <mweltin> yeah

16:48 <mweltin> that is what I'm afread of.

16:48 <FreeLarry58>

16:48 <Romulus> Title: - Forums (at

16:49 <mweltin> LOL

16:49 <mweltin> thats a real site

16:49 <mweltin> lol

16:49 <mweltin> (Red Hat 3.4.6-9

16:50 <mweltin> thats from /proc/version

16:50 <PovAddict> there's up to centos 5.1...

16:50 <PovAddict>

16:51 <mweltin> there is nothing in motd

16:51 <PovAddict> you have 3.4, latest is 5.1

16:51 <mweltin> mother f'er

16:52 <mweltin> PovAddict, one more question.  php --with-gd dies because its looking for --with-jpeg-dir

16:52 <mweltin> is it looking for libjpeg.a or something?

16:52 <PovAddict> yep

16:53 <PovAddict> ok, 3.4 was released January 05

16:55 <mweltin> mercy

16:55 <mweltin> what kind of hack operation is this.

17:08 <mweltin> so what do you think PovAddict just install python from source and then the mod from source as well, or wait to see if it breaks?

17:10 <mweltin> ok php is compiled correctly

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17:16 <xcamel>

17:16 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 January 10 - Active Galaxy Centaurus A (at

17:17 <PovAddict> wow

17:17 <PovAddict> need higher res!

17:17 <xcamel> click on it..

17:17 <PovAddict> I did, almost same size

17:17 <PovAddict> ok, same, not almost

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17:20 <mweltin> man make test for php takes a while

17:32 <mweltin> ok here goes ..... new boinc server build... wish me luck

17:37 <sethy> left sock plus spider kneecap equals ??

17:38 <PovAddict> the f$%k

17:38 <sethy> LEARN!!

17:38 <sethy> EYE AM NEED TO TEST SOMETHING hold your horsies

17:40 <sethy> restoring virtual machine

17:40 <sethy> gotta love snapshots

17:40 <Romulus> damn.. he's pretty good.

17:40 <sethy> that i am

17:40 <sethy> thanks

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17:43 <seth_BT3B> hai

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17:44 <seth_BT3B> lol no?

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17:47 <sethy> WTSnacks is back!

17:55 <mweltin> wow new boinc server built with no errors

17:55 <mweltin> how cool was that.

17:55 <mweltin> hope that python thing doesn't bite me in the butt later on.

17:57 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

17:57 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 34F / 1C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.62in / 1003hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Snow. New snow accumulation up to 2 inches. Total snow accumulation 1 to 5 inches. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of snow early in the evening...then a slight chance of snow (1 more message)

17:57 <wdsmia> &more

17:57 <Romulus> wdsmia: late in the evening. Patchy fog through the night. Low in the lower 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. High in the lower 30s. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Snow Advisory for Warren County in effect until 7:00 PM CST on January 10, 2008;

17:58 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:58 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:58 <mweltin> how do you set the username for the user apache runs as?

17:58 <mweltin> isn't that in httpd.conf somewhere?

17:59 <mweltin> found it

18:17 <xcamel> try hare krishna..

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18:27 <Romulus> <> (at

18:28 <Tank_Master> &wether 97007

18:28 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You need to have PySQLite installed to use this plugin.  Download it at <>

18:28 <Tank_Master> &more

18:28 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

18:28 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

18:28 <Romulus> reviews the results column when you dl the newest one tried to hijack their system, install boinc on my machine here on how much was that only comes on thrusday night

18:28 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 52.8F / 11.6C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers. Lows around 40. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. Showers likely in the morning...then a chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs 45 to 50. Light wind.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of (1 more message)

18:28 <Tank_Master> &more

18:28 <Romulus> Tank_Master: showers in the evening...then a chance of rain after midnight. Lows 35 to 40. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph except east wind 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.;

18:31 <xcamel> &zipinfo 97007

18:31 <Romulus> xcamel: City: Beaverton; State: OR; County: Washington; Area Code: 503; Time Zone: PST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 45.4535 (North); Longitude: 122.8761 (West)

18:32 <Tank_Master> yes, just a few miles away from the tornado that hit

18:32 <PovAddict> cool

18:32 <Romulus> Title: Formula Boinc (at

18:32 <xcamel> I heard about that.. very odd..

18:32 <Tank_Master> lst one to hit oregon was in 1977

18:32 <Tank_Master> last*

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18:32 <PovAddict> tabbing over windows in pidgin sucks

18:36 <sethy> your mom sucks

18:37 <sethy> didnt see that one did ya PovAddict

18:39 <sethy> all note that was a no

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18:39 <Tank_Master> gn seth

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19:52 <ganjamaniac> i am looking for a project

19:53 <wdsmia> just one?

19:53 <ganjamaniac> i have a mipsel cpu without FPU

19:53 <ganjamaniac> something using integer stuff

19:54 <ganjamaniac> and something sensefull

19:54 <ganjamaniac> not crap like DES II crack

19:55 <efc> That abc@home sounded like an integer heavy problem

19:56 <ganjamaniac> ah this smells funny

19:57 <ganjamaniac> i hope i find a debian pack

19:57 <ganjamaniac> the problem is the dependency hell, cause the system is basedn on scratch

19:59 <efc> Is that a x86 clone type CPU?

19:59 <ganjamaniac> MIPSel

19:59 <ganjamaniac> its a risc based cpu

19:59 <efc> So like a clone of MIPS? R5000 or whatever

19:59 <efc> I've actually programmed for one of those a few times

20:00 <ganjamaniac> yes

20:00 <ganjamaniac> actualy a AMD/ATI xilleon

20:00 <ganjamaniac> in a TV/set top box

20:00 <efc> Its a nice architecture

20:01 <ganjamaniac> yeah except the distribution on this "system"

20:01 <ganjamaniac> there is no aptitude or rpm manager

20:02 <ganjamaniac> i hope i find a static linked boinc for mipsel

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20:07 <MTughan> Off for a bit... ganjamaniac, you can always experiment around with building it yourself too.

20:07 <MTughan> Provided you have GCC.

20:09 <xcamel> the old risc6000?

20:10 <ganjamaniac> nope...

20:10 <ganjamaniac> i believe i with qemu or something on the local machine

20:18 <PovAddict> ganjamaniac: are you looking for boinc or for a project?

20:18 <PovAddict> you definitely won't find boinc project apps on debian packages

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20:27 <efc> I'm slowly trying to understand the s@h source.. its a whopper

20:27 <PovAddict> good to see somebody trying

20:28 <PovAddict> are you adding comments to the code as you understand things?

20:28 <efc> No.. right now I'm just building a call tree by hand

20:29 <efc> I didn't see a free tool to do it, and anyway it forces me to read

20:30 <PovAddict> to do a call tree? add printfs at the beginning and end of important methods :)

20:30 <efc> That would require compiling it :p

20:30 <PovAddict> ...well yeha

20:30 <efc> I do wish they'd put units on stuff

20:32 <efc> I guess I'll have to compile it eventually, to see where the time really goes.

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20:36 <efc> I'm wondering if certain parts can't be done with fixed point math (I have my reasons)

20:36 <PovAddict> in integer-only CPUs, that would be a good idea

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20:37 <efc> Or in FPGAs where floating point operations are fairly expensive..

20:37 <PovAddict> wherever they are

20:37 <efc> The actual data samples, if I understand right, are 1 bit real/1 bit complex

20:37 <PovAddict> what I mean is, you won't gain anything on "normal" (x86) CPUs

20:38 <efc> Yes, the FPUs are finally pretty good

20:39 <ganjamaniac> strip the realmode from x86 cpus dear intellindians

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20:46 <Romulus> There will be a brief disturbance in the force

20:46 <wdsmia> sorry guys were preforming a room clean-up.... it wont hurt much :-)

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20:48 <Soul_keeper> fun

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20:49 <PovAddict> did you have to test that? <.<

20:49 <xcamel> it wasn't a test

20:49 <wdsmia> that wasnt a test it was a room clean-up

20:49 <xcamel> and yes, we did

20:50 <infinisoft> +1 to Auto Rejoin :D

20:50 <PovAddict> and wdsmia said it wouldn't hurt

20:50 <wdsmia> much

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20:52 <ganjamaniac> strange

20:53 <ganjamaniac> some ferengi invaded

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21:01 <zombie67> uh....

21:01 <zombie67> what was that about?

21:01 <wdsmia> spring room cleaning

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21:11 <efc> Hmm, so it looks like I take a 2 bit sample and turn it into 2 32-bit floats

21:12 <zombie67> it's just a step to the left

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21:12 <efc> I'm just a Trans.. err, wrong song

21:13 <xcamel> the word "sweet" is in the middle of that one...

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21:14 <zombie67> how do you do, I

21:14 <zombie67> see you've met my

21:14 <zombie67> haaaaaandy man

21:14 <PovAddict> o.o

21:15 <xcamel> back in the golden age...

21:15 <xcamel> The Rocky Horror (smoke more dope) Picture Show

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21:19 <xcamel> yup.. that fixed the list'

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21:33 <efc> someone became very enamored with the trigraph

21:34 <PovAddict> trigraph?

21:34 <PovAddict> you mean ? : operator?

21:35 <efc> Yes

21:36 <PovAddict> that's the ternary operator, trigraphs are an ancient way of typing characters in code:

21:36 <Romulus> Title: C trigraph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

21:36 <efc> oh, oops

21:37 <efc> stuff like:

21:37 <efc>       data[k][0] = (float)((c&2)?1:-1);

21:37 <efc>       data[k][1] = (float)((c&1)?1:-1);

21:37 <PovAddict> ugh

21:37 <efc> embedded in a for loop with more of the same

21:38 <efc> what the heck, here's the whole thing.

21:38 <efc>   for (i=0; i<nsamples/4; i++) {

21:38 <efc>     j = (i&1) ? i-1 : i+1;

21:38 <efc>     c = raw[j];

21:38 <efc>     for (j=0; j<4; j++) {

21:38 <efc>       data[k][0] = (float)((c&2)?1:-1);

21:38 <efc>       data[k][1] = (float)((c&1)?1:-1);

21:38 <efc>       k++;

21:38 <efc>       c >>= 2;

21:38 <Romulus> but yes, other computer can only try

21:39 <PovAddict> not even a comment?

21:39 <PovAddict> such an ugly piece of code and no comments?

21:39 <efc> say // see the doc on binary data representation

21:39 <PovAddict> lol

21:39 <PovAddict> they could have done this:

21:39 <efc> I know what it does roughly, but still :p

21:40 <PovAddict> j = i-(!!(i&1)*2-1);

21:40 <PovAddict> not sure about precedence

21:40 <PovAddict> j = i-((!!(i&1))*2-1);

21:40 <PovAddict> !! is to make sure i&1 gives strictly 0 or 1

21:41 <PovAddict> ok maybe that's upside down but you get the (ugly) idea

21:41 <Alphinux> Is any one here a Radio Amateur?

21:44 <efc> The result of that seems to be to create arrays of floats that are either -1 or 1.. seems like a waste

21:48 <MTughan> Okay, so PPC64 Mac apps for TSP anytime soon...

21:48 <PovAddict> how about linux-ppc

21:48 <PovAddict> that's ppc32

21:48 <MTughan> 2.95 was too old. That's what the Debian system came with.

21:48 <MTughan> Tried 3.4.6, but ran into as errors. -m flag not recognized.

21:49 <PovAddict> did you compile 3.4.6 with the correct target?

21:49 <MTughan> powerpc-linux-gnu

21:50 <MTughan> "FATAL:/usr/bin/../libexec/gcc/darwin/i386/as: I don't understand 'm' flag!"

21:50 <xcamel> oh great - flood watches..

21:51 <MTughan> What was Doug trying to accomplish with the mass kick anyway?

21:51 <MTughan> And he could've used ChanServ's CLEAR command.

21:51 <PovAddict> MTughan: there you go, you were using i386 assembler

21:51 <MTughan> /msg ChanServ CLEAR #boinc USERS

21:51 <MTughan> PovAddict: What's wrong with that?

21:52 <PovAddict> what -m switch were you passing?

21:52 <MTughan> /Users/mtughan/Downloads/gcc-3.4.6/gcc/xgcc -B/Users/mtughan/Downloads/gcc-3.4.6/gcc/ -B/Users/mtughan/local/powerpc-linux-gnu/bin/ -B/Users/mtughan/local/powerpc-linux-gnu/lib/ -isystem /Users/mtughan/local/powerpc-linux-gnu/include -isystem /Users/mtughan/local/powerpc-linux-gnu/sys-include

21:52 <MTughan> -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_COMPILE   -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wold-style-definition  -isystem ./include  -I. -I. -I. -I./. -I./../include -I../intl  -g0 -finhibit-size-directive -fno-inline-functions -fno-exceptions -fno-zero-initialized-in-bss -fno-unit-at-a-time -msdata=none -Dinhibit_libc -c ./crtstuff.c -DCRT_BEGIN -o crtbegin.o

21:52 <MTughan> Not sure where Freenode cuts off.

21:52 <PovAddict> I see no -m there

21:53 <MTughan> Notice it's not calling as.

21:53 <MTughan> xgcc is calling as somewhere in there, but I don't know where the source for it is.

21:53 <PovAddict> anyway, ppc64 is 64-bit powerpc, you were calling 32-bit assembler for x86

21:53 <PovAddict> or xgcc was

21:53 <PovAddict> same thing

21:54 <MTughan> I didn't think I was compiling for PPC64.

21:54 <PovAddict> (0:48:03) MTughan: Okay, so PPC64 Mac apps for TSP anytime soon...

21:54 <PovAddict> I thought you were

21:54 <MTughan> We're talking about the powerpc-linux GCC here, so I thought...

21:54 * xcamel yawns

21:54 <PovAddict> ok

21:55 <PovAddict> well anyway, it was apparently using x86 assembler... which surely won't work to make powerpc code

21:55 <MTughan> I can always tell it to --build for powerpc-apple-darwin.

21:56 <xcamel> lil - suprcaml up 211 days..

21:57 <xcamel> kahuna up 209

21:57 <MTughan> I do have powerpc-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1 and powerpc-apple-darwin9-g++-4.0.1.

21:57 <xcamel> laterz..

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21:57 <MTughan> Bye Jay.

22:00 <wdsmia> MTughan didnt want to Remove "all" users from the channel....

22:00 <MTughan> You're too precious?

22:00 <PovAddict> he kicked everyone *knowing* they would join back, afaik

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22:03 <wdsmia> It wasnt all me "it was a channel managment decision"... I just pulled the trigger

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22:28 <Soul_keeper> lol, do it again ....

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22:29 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

22:29 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 18.1F / -7.7C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 23.68in / 801.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 15 to 23. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs 41 to 47. Light winds.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 14 to 22. Light winds.;

22:30 <wdsmia> Brrrr

22:30 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86023

22:30 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 19F / -7.2C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 16 on the North Rim to around 33 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 42 on the North Rim to around 56 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Lows around 15 (1 more message)

22:30 <Bad_At_Home> &more

22:30 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: on the North Rim to around 31 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

22:30 <Bad_At_Home> lol

22:30 <Bad_At_Home> south rim is warmer than here lol

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22:31 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

22:31 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 50.0F / 10.0C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy dense fog in the evening. Areas of dense fog after midnight. Visibility one quarter mile or less at times. Lows 41 to 48. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Areas of dense fog in the morning. Visibility one quarter (1 more message)

22:31 <Bad_At_Home> a heat wave

22:31 <wdsmia> &more Soul_keeper

22:31 <Romulus> wdsmia: mile or less at times in the morning. Highs 66 to 71. Light winds.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 42 to 50. Winds east 15 mph. Gusts to 30 mph after midnight.;

22:31 <efc> &weather 31088

22:31 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 67F / 20C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Chance of showers and thunderstorms late in the evening...then showers with isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny with a 30 percent (1 more message)

22:31 <Soul_keeper> any idea how to make a truck with a carb start better on cold mornings   ?

22:32 <Soul_keeper> i don't think my "electronic choke" is working ...

22:32 <Bad_At_Home> a can of starting fluid

22:32 <wdsmia> eather works well

22:32 <efc> Ether, the wonder chemical

22:32 <Soul_keeper> i don't wanna hafta do that every morning

22:32 <Bad_At_Home> lol

22:32 <Bad_At_Home> fix the choke

22:33 <wdsmia> buy new truck

22:33 <Soul_keeper> it's a brand new carb

22:33 <Bad_At_Home> or put a 10.00 manual choke on it

22:33 <Bad_At_Home> take it back

22:33 <Soul_keeper> you think the manual choke would install on it fine ?

22:34 <Bad_At_Home> yep

22:34 <Soul_keeper> i can't take it back, else my truck won't work at all ...

22:34 <Soul_keeper> i'll look into setting it manual

22:34 <Bad_At_Home> or a starter button under the hood and hold the choke lol

22:35 <Soul_keeper> i was contemplating radical things like a heater coil for the air

22:36 <Bad_At_Home> a heat lamp under the hood worked for me in -50 degrees

22:36 <Soul_keeper> nice

22:36 <Bad_At_Home> just plug in at night

22:36 <wdsmia> lows 41 to 48 wish we had highs that warm

22:37 <Bad_At_Home> me too

22:37 <Bad_At_Home> was -5 here this morning

22:38 <Soul_keeper> i'm a painter so anything under 50f is bad for business

22:38 <Soul_keeper> the paints don't dry right

22:40 <wdsmia> you would be out of work from Dec to May if you were here

22:41 <efc> S@H home roughly: Baseline smoothing; LOOP { Chirp, LOOP { FFT, PowerSpectrum, FindSpikes, PoT Analysis }}

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22:43 <efc> PoT is another level of junk

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23:22 <efc> wow, big tornado outbreak

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