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00:16 <mweltin> anyone here what to give some DNS advice?
00:17 <Tank_Master> mw!
00:17 <mweltin> Tank I think I got the DNS worked out.
00:17 <mweltin> not sure
00:18 <Tank_Master> coo
00:18 <mweltin> I had to spend the day programming some other stuff (mql4) so I haven't been on tsp or boinc all day
00:18 <mweltin> looks like the end of the week will be a go as far as the hosting switch.
00:18 <mweltin> I'm going to post some news to night about it.
00:20 <mweltin> dinner bbl
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00:20 <Tank_Master> hf
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00:49 <Romulus> Title: Dell Coupons, Free Online Coupon Codes, Dell Computer Deals & More Discounts at CouponMountain.com (at www.couponmountain.com)
00:49 <Tank_Master> nice
01:03 <zombie67> mweltin!
01:03 <zombie67> it's bad form when you don't even join your own channel....
01:03 <zombie67> ;)
01:03 <Tank_Master> LOL
01:03 <Tank_Master> wasnt gonna say anything
01:04 <zombie67> brb
01:06 <zombie67> back
01:06 <Tank_Master> wb.
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02:15 <mweltin> hey HEY
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04:06 <clusty> mweltin, hey. do you happen to run your own project?
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04:06 <mweltin> lots of help from this channel
04:06 <clusty> yeeey
04:06 <clusty> trying to get started on my project.
04:07 <clusty> think you could answer a few questions?
04:07 <mweltin> cool
04:07 <mweltin> I can try, but you really want povaddict to answer your questions.
04:07 <clusty> not here :D
04:07 <clusty> so i wrote my first app
04:07 <FreeLarry58> hes on vacation till 23rd
04:08 <mweltin> nice
04:08 <clusty> oki. thanks. will pile up all questions i can't solve till then
04:08 <mweltin> I'll try to answer then
04:08 <clusty> the client crunches but never reports task as complete
04:08 <clusty> why might this be?
04:09 <mweltin> does it finish?
04:09 <clusty> yes
04:09 <clusty> 100%
04:09 <clusty> nbo errors
04:09 <clusty> no*
04:09 <clusty> the server is running dummy assimilator and validator
04:09 <mweltin> so you just dont' get the status updates
04:09 <mweltin> there is a function boin_fraction_done that needs to be called for the client to show its progress.
04:10 <clusty> means my app is not doing all the work it should be?
04:10 <clusty> ohh ritte
04:10 <clusty> i did not do any checkpointing
04:10 <mweltin> checkpointing is something different altogether.
04:10 <clusty> so i shoudl call fraction done at end?
04:11 <mweltin> no no point in that at the end its 100% done.
04:11 <mweltin> I have a genetic algorithm that runs for 10+ hours
04:12 <mweltin> people hate to see the progress just sit there, they think its not working.
04:12 <clusty> this is a SVD matrix decomposition
04:12 <mweltin> SVD?
04:12 <clusty> task can't be broken in smaller chunks
04:12 <clusty> singular value decomposition
04:12 <mweltin> you don't hae any loops in the program?
04:12 <clusty> nope
04:12 <clusty> raead file
04:13 <clusty> assemble matrices
04:13 <clusty> crunch
04:13 <mweltin> so the way boinc_fraction_done is called with a double.
04:13 <clusty> so how can I make it go away alltogether from client?
04:13 <mweltin> can't
04:13 <mweltin> you could call the b_f_d(.25) after the read.
04:14 <mweltin> the .5 after the assemble
04:14 <FreeLarry58> clusty i hope that your project can suspend at least
04:14 <clusty> it can
04:14 <clusty> but does not :D
04:14 <FreeLarry58> good
04:14 <clusty> its still not open to public
04:14 <FreeLarry58> short units?
04:14 <clusty> for now
04:14 <mweltin> FreeLarry, can you look at my dns entry?
04:14 <FreeLarry58> lol have been in some of those before
04:14 <mweltin> don't make them too short
04:15 <mweltin> there are two http calls for every workunit
04:15 <mweltin> you can over load your netword.
04:15 <mweltin> network*
04:15 <clusty> i will increase it once proj is running properly
04:15 <mweltin> I had some 0.2 sec WU's for a while
04:15 <clusty> will give 1-2h/workuniit
04:15 <clusty> cause not in the mood to checkpoint
04:15 <mweltin> you will have to do some kind of checkpointing
04:16 <clusty> i will have to reimplement SVD
04:16 <FreeLarry58> this dns? satala-canopy106.bluelink.as
04:16 <clusty> which is no fun
04:16 <clusty> as, which country is that?
04:16 <mweltin> FreeLarry, I have a copy of my new DNS from xname.org
04:16 <FreeLarry58> american soma
04:16 <mweltin> let me find the pastebin.
04:16 <FreeLarry58> ahh
04:17 <mweltin> good old AS
04:17 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
04:18 <mweltin> so what I want is anything for *.myisland.as to go to the 209. address.
04:18 <mweltin> I'm tyring to get google apps to take care of mail
04:18 <mweltin> so I made what I think is an alias to all the google mailserver
04:18 <mweltin> so clusty what other questions do you have.
04:19 <mweltin> here is a good tip I got from Pov.
04:19 <clusty> preety much this one :D
04:19 <clusty> but its not done
04:19 <clusty> :D
04:19 <mweltin> ok shoot
04:19 <clusty> task is 100% in boinc client
04:19 <clusty> new task is waiting
04:19 <clusty> but first one wont go away
04:19 <Romulus> ok, problem seems to be crunching at about 7h apiece now.
04:20 <mweltin> which view are you in for the boinc manager
04:20 <mweltin> grid view?
04:20 <mweltin> is client and server on the same box?
04:21 <clusty> nope
04:21 <clusty> not same box
04:21 <clusty> and using advanved view
04:21 <mweltin> a task will sit in the task window at 100% until its uploaded.
04:21 <mweltin> thats the one with all the tabs right.
04:21 <mweltin> what version ?
04:21 <mweltin> I have 5.10.21
04:22 <clusty> 5.10.8
04:22 <mweltin> and its called grid view
04:22 <mweltin> close enough
04:22 <clusty> using package from ubuntu
04:22 <mweltin> you may wnat to update.
04:22 <clusty> yes tabbed one
04:22 <clusty> compile latest one from SVN?
04:22 <clusty> that coems with server?
04:23 <mweltin> are you asking or telling me.
04:23 <clusty> asking :D
04:23 <mweltin> I have a personal bias against packages but I won't go into that here.
04:23 <mweltin> anyway 5.10.8 is good enough.
04:23 <clusty> ok masta. will do as you advise
04:23 <clusty> :D
04:24 <mweltin> LOL
04:24 <clusty> can i just copy new app into downloads
04:24 <mweltin> now if I could just get my GF to say that.
04:24 <clusty> i mean i added a few lines of code
04:24 <clusty> LOOL
04:24 <mweltin> no
04:24 <clusty> or i gotta ioncrement version
04:24 <clusty> ?
04:24 <clusty> necessarilly
04:24 <mweltin> any change you make you have to resign the app and increment the version number
04:24 <clusty> ok
04:25 <mweltin> any change no matter how small.
04:25 <clusty> nothing is easy
04:25 <clusty> :D
04:25 <mweltin> well it could be harder
04:25 <mweltin> just wait until you upgrade your server
04:25 <FreeLarry58> so mweltin is that all free service now?
04:25 <mweltin> yes, xname.org
04:26 <mweltin> most of the free ones had a host limit.
04:26 <Romulus> running fine in firefox
04:26 <mweltin> or didn't work at all, or had limitations on the types of records you could make.
04:26 <FreeLarry58> humm may check them out then - yea even dyndns limits to 5 hosts
04:26 <FreeLarry58> but does have cname
04:27 <mweltin> these guys have IP6 and the PTR
04:27 <mweltin> and as many hosts as you want.
04:27 <mweltin> I checked over a dozzen of those free sites.
04:27 <mweltin> this one is farily tight.
04:27 <FreeLarry58> ahh so only thing you have to pay for then is domain name?
04:27 <ELGono> moo
04:27 <FreeLarry58> moo ELGono
04:27 <clusty> mweltin, grrrrr
04:27 <mweltin> if you are a commercial site yo uhave to pay.
04:28 <FreeLarry58> lol yeah
04:28 <mweltin> whats wrong clusty
04:28 <clusty> mweltin, even after b_f_d calls the task does not go away
04:28 <clusty> lemme recompile new client
04:28 <mweltin> yeah thats not going to make the task go away, I thought you had a different problem.
04:28 <mweltin> check the messages tab.
04:29 <clusty> no signs of reporting task?
04:29 <mweltin> anything like this Error on file upload: can't open log file ?
04:29 <clusty> nope
04:29 <clusty> can i upload app
04:29 <clusty> so you can take a look
04:29 <clusty> that i aint doing any evil stuff?
04:29 <clusty> pastebin
04:30 <mweltin> sure
04:30 <mweltin> I'd be happy to
04:30 <mweltin> doubt it's you app though. It runs fine from the command line I assume?
04:30 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
04:30 <clusty> before i added the boinc name resolution stuff
04:31 <clusty> did not check after
04:31 <mweltin> check it again just to make sure, the resolution will not make a difference.
04:32 <clusty> everythign is honky dorry :D
04:32 <mweltin> ok what kind of box is the client on?
04:32 <clusty> ubuntu32
04:33 <mweltin> so does it look good FreeLarry
04:33 <FreeLarry58> to me it does mweltin
04:33 <mweltin> clusty, ok cool go to the slots dir
04:33 <clusty> mweltin, slots?
04:33 <FreeLarry58> but im not a guru either maybe ask CoderForLife when he shows up latr
04:34 <clusty> woow i've been blessed
04:34 <FreeLarry58> &nn all wife calling
04:34 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
04:34 <mweltin> FreeLarry, thanks I will
04:34 <clusty> 2 guys that know boinc dev:D
04:34 <clusty> :D
04:34 <clusty> been roaming for like 2 weeks now with not much success
04:34 <mweltin> go to the dir that you run the manager from
04:34 <clusty> ok
04:35 <clusty> and?
04:35 <mweltin> in there there should be a slots dir
04:35 <clusty> you mean boinc manager client?
04:35 <clusty> or server?
04:35 <mweltin> client
04:36 <mweltin> the slots dir is where the client will run your app
04:36 <mweltin> we are going to look ther to make sure we have an "out" file.
04:36 <clusty> mweltin, where might this dir be? :D
04:36 <mweltin> then at least we will confirm that the app is not the problem.
04:37 <FreeLarry58> hows this machine looking now that it has a few days running http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_host_graph.php?pr=bo&id=3274650
04:37 <mweltin> well for me I make a dir called /home/mweltin/BOINC and in that I have
04:37 <mweltin> boincmgr
04:37 <mweltin> as well as the run_client and run_manager
04:38 <mweltin> you can run the find command to look for it
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04:38 <mweltin> find /somepath -name slots
04:39 <mweltin> the path doesn't need to be the root /
04:39 <mweltin> but maybe your home dir would be a good palce to start
04:39 <clusty> not im home\
04:39 <clusty> cehcked
04:40 <mweltin> where is the client installed ?
04:40 <mweltin> that is the app that will create the slots dir.
04:41 <clusty> boinc is allover
04:41 <clusty> :D
04:41 <clusty> starting as service
04:41 <clusty> damn
04:41 <clusty> lemme selfcompile a client
04:41 <mweltin> no
04:42 <mweltin> how about find / -name boincmgr
04:42 <mweltin> how big is your harddrive?
04:42 <mweltin> just curious how long I'll wait for.
04:42 <clusty> gopt it
04:42 <clusty> vat/lib/boinc-client slots
04:43 <mweltin> sweet so go to that dir
04:43 <mweltin> there will be a few numbered dirs.
04:43 <clusty> there is a 0
04:43 <clusty> boinc_lockfile in init_data.xml out stderr.txt svd_gsl_4.1_i686-pc-linux-gnu
04:43 <clusty> are files inside
04:44 <mweltin> cool so you got an out file
04:44 <clusty> is empty
04:44 <clusty> actually sais <soft_link>../../projects/algorithmica.is-a-geek.com_boincanator/1svd2_2_0</soft_link>
04:44 <clusty> not my usual output
04:44 <mweltin> mmmmmm well you do open it early
04:44 <mweltin> no
04:44 <mweltin> but that is what it should say
04:44 <mweltin> should is in its not your normal outfile
04:45 <clusty> oki
04:45 <clusty> so means assimilator is not doing job?
04:45 <mweltin> well if the client isn't uploading them the assimilator can't do its job.
04:46 <mweltin> go to your project dir
04:46 <mweltin> there should be a file dir log_HOSTNAME
04:46 <clusty> is there
04:46 <clusty> which log is interesting?
04:47 <mweltin> well the cgi log is but there is a ton of stuff
04:47 <mweltin> is the project running now?
04:47 <clusty> yes
04:47 <mweltin> ok run tail -f cgi.log
04:48 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
04:49 <mweltin> lets look the assimilator
04:50 <mweltin> that log didn't show much
04:50 <mweltin> hwo are you workunits named?
04:50 <clusty> 1svd2
04:50 <mweltin> is there anything in there?
04:51 <clusty> and 1svd3
04:51 <mweltin> you just have two workunits?
04:51 <clusty> yes
04:51 <clusty> active
04:51 <mweltin> ok, what is the quorum?
04:51 <clusty> queue?
04:51 <mweltin> and the ntarget
04:52 <clusty> ohh
04:52 <clusty> ok
04:52 <Romulus> slaps Kingzilla around a bit with a large trout
04:52 <mweltin> how many results does each workunit get turned into, and how many valid results do you need before you assimilate the result.
04:53 <mweltin> LOl
04:53 <clusty> ./bin/create_work -appname svd_gsl -wu_name 1svd3 -wu_template templates/work_unit_template -result_template templates/result_template -min_quorum 1 -target_nresults 2 -rsc_fpops_bound 9999999999999999999999999 in
04:53 <clusty> ohh fok
04:53 <mweltin> we whouls have starte with the web interface
04:53 <mweltin> lalalala
04:53 <clusty> fok
04:53 <clusty> fok
04:53 <clusty> fok
04:53 <clusty> need second result
04:54 <clusty> whats quorum?
04:54 <mweltin> min quorum is the number of valid results you need before you assimilate
04:55 <mweltin> yours is 1, so you should have no problem
04:55 <mweltin> look at the validator log
04:56 <mweltin> clearly you are sending out work
04:56 <mweltin> this think just smacks of a permissions issue but I don't konw where.
04:56 <mweltin> if it was the upload file your client would have complained.
04:58 <clusty> Tue 15 Jan 2008 10:57:35 AM CET|Boinc@Algorithmica|Reason: Unrecoverable error for result 1svd5_0 (<file_xfer_error> <file_name>1svd5_0_0</file_name> <error_code>-131</error_code></file_xfer_error>)
04:58 <clusty> is what sais now
04:58 <clusty> arghhhh
04:58 <clusty> damn this suse
04:58 <Romulus> then why would that be?
04:58 <clusty> is killing me
04:59 <mweltin> mmmm
04:59 <mweltin> ok
04:59 <mweltin> lets go the the browser
04:59 <clusty> 2008-01-15 10:56:12.9590 [PID=2642 ] [normal ] [HOST#1] [RESULT#34 1svd5_0] got result (DB: server_state=4 outcome=0 client_state=0 validate_state=0 delete_state=0)
04:59 <clusty> from cgi.log
04:59 <clusty> means dbase error?
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05:00 <mweltin> no, if you coudln't read/write to the database you couldnt make a WU to start with.
05:01 <mweltin> open you browser and go to the ops section
05:01 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
05:01 <clusty> is what "grep for WU" gives
05:01 <clusty> from webpage
05:02 <mweltin> you are at the admin site right ?
05:03 <clusty> YES
05:03 <clusty> oops
05:03 <clusty> btw
05:03 <clusty> want me to lift restrictions for a sec so you can see for yourself >?
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05:04 <mweltin> ok, we want to look up the WU lsvd5
05:04 <mweltin> no
05:04 <clusty> yes 1svd5
05:04 <mweltin> this is good practice for me
05:04 <mweltin> click on the workunit and in the additional clauese
05:04 <mweltin> enter
05:05 <mweltin> name like 'lsvd5'
05:05 <clusty> oki
05:05 <mweltin> did you get a response?
05:06 * CoderForLife falls out of bed
05:06 <CoderForLife> ouchmorning
05:06 <mweltin> hey cfl!!
05:06 <mweltin> take some asprin and go back to bed.
05:07 <mweltin> how are you with DNS?
05:07 <mweltin> do you want to check something out for me?
05:07 <mweltin> clusty, how is that search going?
05:07 <CoderForLife> unfortunately, I must make some money to pay for aspirin
05:07 <clusty> mweltin, nothing
05:07 <mweltin> it's found naturally in the bark and bows of willow trees
05:07 <clusty> mweltin, arghhh
05:07 <mweltin> what?
05:08 <CoderForLife> I *just* woke up
05:08 <mweltin> apparetly you work up and started typing
05:08 <CoderForLife> sleep-typing
05:08 <CoderForLife> sleep-IRCing
05:08 <mweltin> clusty, dont fill out any additinal clauses and just hit ok
05:09 * mweltin give cfl a ticket for disorderly irc'ing
05:09 <CoderForLife> hungry... brb breakfast
05:10 <mweltin> clusty, tell me you get a list of WU's you have created.
05:10 <clusty> mweltin, its there in the list
05:10 <clusty> mweltin, the workunit i created
05:10 <mweltin> sweet
05:10 <mweltin> click on the WU ID
05:11 <mweltin> on the far left
05:11 <clusty> yeap
05:11 <clusty> full detail?
05:11 <mweltin> it says two results
05:11 <mweltin> yes
05:11 <mweltin> full detail
05:11 <mweltin> that is what we want
05:12 <clusty> yeap
05:12 <clusty> 2 results
05:12 <mweltin> sweet
05:12 <mweltin> how many unsent ?
05:12 <clusty> none
05:12 <mweltin> In Progress ?
05:13 <mweltin> these are all server states I'm asking for.
05:13 <clusty> lemme create a new WU, cause this one i might have foked. aborted on client side
05:14 <mweltin> did you abort it manually?
05:15 <clusty> yes
05:15 <mweltin> ok do you know of any that you didn't?
05:15 <mweltin> I mean you are only up to 5 so how many coudl there be.
05:15 <clusty> nope. aborted all and cancelled all. created just an extra one fresh
05:16 <mweltin> well that could be part of the problem.
05:16 <clusty> meaning?
05:16 <mweltin> no reason to upload a cancled WU
05:16 <clusty> i mean i created 1 new which was not cancelled nor aborted
05:17 <clusty> new task has these params:
05:17 <mweltin> you just created it just now right?
05:17 <clusty> yes
05:17 <clusty> 1 in progress
05:17 <clusty> 0 unsent
05:17 <clusty> 1 result
05:17 <mweltin> ok this is lsvd6
05:18 <CoderForLife> b
05:18 <clusty> lsvd7
05:18 <mweltin> ok
05:18 <mweltin> and how long do these take?
05:18 <mweltin> welcome back cfl
05:18 <clusty> half a sec
05:18 <mweltin> did you get you coffee?
05:18 <mweltin> ok
05:19 <mweltin> so its done
05:19 <clusty> yeap
05:19 <clusty> 100%
05:19 <clusty> still there
05:19 <mweltin> ok refresh the page
05:19 <mweltin> still there in the client
05:19 <mweltin> I assume
05:19 <clusty> refresh ops page?
05:19 <clusty> or update client?
05:19 <mweltin> yes ops page
05:20 <clusty> same
05:20 <clusty> 1 in progess
05:20 <clusty> all others 0
05:20 <mweltin> ok
05:20 <mweltin> lets go back to the client for a min
05:21 <clusty> ok
05:21 <mweltin> look at the messgages for the download of lsvd7
05:21 <mweltin> _0
05:22 <clusty> no such message
05:22 <clusty> for 0
05:22 <clusty> just 1svd7 started message
05:22 <clusty> started lsvd7_0
05:22 <clusty> found it
05:23 <clusty> back in 5 sec
05:23 <mweltin> so the WU gets turned into two results _0 and _1
05:23 <mweltin> ok
05:24 <mweltin> cfl you still there?
05:24 <clusty> 1 result
05:24 <clusty> not 2
05:24 <clusty> just 1
05:24 <mweltin> thats fine
05:25 <clusty> cause i said 1 result
05:25 <clusty> 1 quorum
05:25 <mweltin> good
05:25 <mweltin> ok
05:25 <clusty> but why is the assim not called
05:25 <mweltin> just ot recap, it shows 100% done in the task list.
05:25 <clusty> yes
05:26 <mweltin> it has to be
05:26 <mweltin> that is just the order
05:26 <clusty> 100% in task list
05:26 <clusty> status running
05:26 <mweltin> once the validator is doen the assimilator takes over and cleans up after itself.
05:27 <clusty> ouch
05:27 <clusty> lemme check then validator
05:27 <mweltin> ok
05:27 <clusty> might be task is too small?
05:27 <clusty> and does not validate?
05:27 <mweltin> lets give it some time to finish.
05:27 <clusty> its the sample dummy one
05:27 <mweltin> sample dummy validates anything.
05:27 <CoderForLife> bbiab
05:28 <mweltin> thats its job
05:28 <mweltin> later cfl
05:28 <clusty> mweltin, btw wanted to tahnk you for having the patience with me
05:28 <mweltin> client and server are the same OS?
05:28 <clusty> mweltin, i imagine you crunched your teeth a few times
05:28 <clusty> :D
05:28 <mweltin> no worries
05:28 <clusty> nope
05:29 <mweltin> LOL still do
05:29 <clusty> linux both
05:29 <mweltin> cloes enough.
05:29 <clusty> ubuntu=client
05:29 <clusty> suse=server
05:29 <mweltin> have you tried to run the app from the client in standalone mode, i.e. from the command line?
05:30 <clusty> yes
05:30 <mweltin> that worked out well
05:30 <clusty> thats how i did it to test at your suggestion
05:30 <mweltin> cool
05:30 <clusty> app was developped on client
05:30 <mweltin> ok
05:30 <clusty> machine
05:30 <clusty> just uploaded to server
05:30 <mweltin> good idea
05:32 <mweltin> coudl you post the link to the source code again?
05:33 <mweltin> are there any new messages in the client?
05:33 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
05:33 <mweltin> thanks
05:34 <clusty> just that no more work
05:34 <clusty> and defering communication
05:34 <clusty> maybe make a new task?
05:34 <clusty> i meam WU
05:34 <mweltin> no
05:34 <mweltin> I'm running out of things to look for
05:35 <mweltin> lets try the windows approach
05:35 <mweltin> go to the projects tab and "reset project"
05:35 <clusty> plug and pray?\
05:35 <clusty> detach from proj?
05:35 <mweltin> no
05:35 <mweltin> just reset
05:35 <clusty> reset
05:35 <clusty> :D
05:35 <clusty> what does it do?
05:35 <clusty> did
05:36 <mweltin> re-reads the proj preferences, and restes to communication clock, and I assume other things but I'm not sure.
05:36 <mweltin> any error messages?
05:36 <mweltin> in the message window
05:37 <clusty> made client to crash :D
05:37 <clusty> had to restart
05:37 <clusty> no errors
05:37 <mweltin> maybe we should think about an update for the client
05:37 <mweltin> I'm running out of ideas.
05:38 <mweltin> well lets go over our assumptions agin.
05:38 <mweltin> we can create a workunit fine
05:38 <clusty> yeap
05:38 <mweltin> and results are downloaded to the client
05:38 <clusty> proggie crunches fine
05:39 <mweltin> and the workunit are short so it's nto a real big shock that the task reaches 100% quickly.
05:39 <mweltin> what is odd is that it stays in "running" mode
05:40 <clusty> weird part is that the sample app upper_case does not boinc_init
05:40 <clusty> and boinc_done
05:41 <clusty> or whatever
05:41 <mweltin> really?
05:41 <clusty> i did those since on boinc site they said i should
05:41 <clusty> yeap
05:41 <mweltin> yeah you should
05:41 <mweltin> hold on a sec let me check my stuff
05:41 <clusty> so why is the WU not fed to me again?
05:42 <mweltin> well you only made one result last time.
05:42 <mweltin> and you canceled all the others.
05:42 <clusty> yes
05:42 <clusty> now the running one is neither done nor available to be sent
05:42 <clusty> is some garbage colelctor not supposed to dump it?
05:43 <mweltin> I'm not sure what you mean, are you at the ops site?
05:44 <clusty> yes
05:44 <clusty> still in progress
05:44 <clusty> the work unit
05:44 <mweltin> yes that is correct
05:44 <clusty> rite
05:45 <clusty> has 1 day to expire
05:45 <mweltin> I'm going to look up boinc_finish
05:45 <clusty> ok
05:45 <mweltin> you call it with a value, and I call it with 0
05:46 <clusty> i could do that
05:46 <clusty> i called it with return of worker
05:46 <clusty> which normally finishes with 0
05:46 <clusty> lemme redo it
05:46 <mweltin> ok never mind
05:46 <mweltin> no
05:46 <mweltin> lets keep as few variables changing.
05:47 <clusty> ok
05:49 <mweltin> even if boinc_finish was called with a non-zero value it should still upload
05:49 <mweltin> what did you use to compile this?
05:49 <mweltin> gcc ?
05:49 <clusty> g++
05:50 <clusty> yeah
05:50 <mweltin> ever use gdb ?
05:50 <clusty> in general yes when code seg faults
05:50 <clusty> :D
05:50 <clusty> not for this
05:51 <Romulus> most of the links i'm supposed to click
05:51 <clusty> Romulus, funny bot you are
05:51 <Romulus> clusty: Are you daft?
05:51 <clusty> :D
05:52 <mweltin> this has nothing to do with anything, but doesn't gcc require main to have a non void return value?
05:53 <clusty> it depends
05:53 <CoderForLife> ack - got to go
05:53 <CoderForLife> later
05:53 <mweltin> later
05:53 <clusty> bye
05:53 <clusty> think in pedantic mode it cries
05:54 <clusty> should i make it return something?
05:54 <mweltin> at this point I'm wondering if we should update you client. But 5.10.8 isn't that old.
05:54 <mweltin> we shouldn't have to
05:54 <mweltin> maybe I should try to attach to the project
05:54 <clusty> go ahead
05:55 <Romulus> Title: REPLACE WITH PROJECT NAME (at algorithmica.is-a-geek.com)
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05:55 <clusty> you can reg as well
05:56 <mweltin> is there a router between the two boxes?
05:56 <clusty> probably
05:56 <clusty> not sure
05:56 <clusty> surelly
05:56 <mweltin> ok
05:57 <clusty> actually no
05:57 <clusty> same class of ip's
05:57 <mweltin> mmmmmmm missing or bad parameter: user_name
05:57 <mweltin> I failed to attache
05:57 <mweltin> what version of the server are you running?
05:57 <clusty> latest svn from last week
05:57 <clusty> :
05:57 <clusty> :D
05:57 <mweltin> ok
05:58 <clusty> did you give it a email address
05:58 <clusty> even bogus one?
05:58 <mweltin> yes I gave it my real one
05:59 <clusty> lemme try to reattach with diff username
05:59 <mweltin> I'm tyring the manual account creation
06:00 <clusty> i reattached with new user
06:00 <clusty> got a markus
06:00 <clusty> :D
06:00 <mweltin> I did that from your web interface.
06:00 <mweltin> ok I'm attached now
06:01 <mweltin> suspend you client and create a new WU
06:01 <clusty> cancel existing one?
06:02 <mweltin> no
06:02 <clusty> lsvd8 is yours
06:02 <mweltin> I got lsd7_1
06:03 <clusty> its the old shite
06:03 <wdsmia> asks clusty to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
06:03 <clusty> oops
06:03 <clusty> sorry
06:03 <mweltin> download fails
06:04 <clusty> download of what?
06:04 <clusty> application?
06:05 <mweltin> couldn't get inputilfe svd_gsl_4.2_i686-pc-linux-gnu
06:05 <mweltin> thats the app
06:05 <mweltin> it's not the input file
06:05 <clusty> sec
06:05 <clusty> i screwed up serv
06:05 <mweltin> I'm wondering if it is your WU or RESULT template.
06:05 <Romulus> asks clusty to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
06:06 <clusty> try again pls
06:07 <clusty> the harsh lang filter is quite PG13 as it seems
06:07 <mweltin> dont' swet it unless he is really here.
06:08 <mweltin> the channel ops are nice and will warn you long before they kick you out.
06:08 <mweltin> but they are serious about the language thing.
06:08 <mweltin> I op of the F' this and S' that
06:08 <clusty> i admit i have a foul mouth
06:08 <mweltin> seems to go over ok.
06:09 <clusty> crunched?
06:09 <mweltin> post your templates
06:09 <mweltin> exit code 127
06:10 <mweltin> its crashing somewhere
06:10 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
06:10 <clusty> took some stuff from a tutorial
06:10 <clusty> wooow
06:10 <clusty> upload_URL
06:11 <clusty> i gotta write something there i assume :D
06:11 <mweltin> helps
06:11 <clusty> so is it: http://algorithmica.is-a-geek.com/boincanator/downloads?
06:11 <clusty> whats this URL?
06:12 <mweltin> where are you talking about?
06:12 <clusty> in results_template
06:12 <clusty> there is a stanza saying: <url><UPLOAD_URL/></url>
06:12 <mweltin> thats right
06:12 <clusty> ohh its fine
06:13 <clusty> its a special statement not a string
06:13 <mweltin> it gets it from dome config file
06:13 <mweltin> yes
06:14 <mweltin> you didn't build it staticly
06:14 <mweltin> ./svd_gsl_4.3_i686-pc-linux-gnu: error while loading shared libraries: libgsl.so.0: ca
06:14 <clusty> app
06:14 <mweltin> not open shared object file: No such file or directory
06:14 <clusty> crap
06:14 <mweltin> you have to build your apps staticly
06:14 <clusty> how do i build statically
06:14 <mweltin> -static
06:14 <clusty> this is next step actually: gotta start making multifile apps
06:15 <mweltin> one step at a time
06:15 <mweltin> ok its past my bed time.
06:15 <mweltin> I have to hit the hay, but we know what is wrong and that is half the battle.
06:16 <mweltin> what is libgsl ?
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06:17 <clusty> sure
06:17 <clusty> statically
06:17 <clusty> libgsl is the backend that computes SVD
06:17 <mweltin> I'll be back in about 8 hours
06:17 <clusty> gsl=gnu scientific lib
06:17 <clusty> see you tomorrow
06:17 <clusty> :D
06:17 <mweltin> what time zone are you in?
06:17 <clusty> thanx for help
06:17 <clusty> germany
06:17 <clusty> think its gmt+2
06:18 <clusty> or +1
06:18 <clusty> 12:18 now
06:18 <mweltin> ok we are about 12 hrs appart
06:18 <clusty> PM
06:18 <mweltin> yeah
06:18 <clusty> gnite
06:18 <clusty> i will dig more
06:18 <mweltin> I'll see you around 8pm if you need more help.
06:18 <clusty> thanks a bunch
06:18 <clusty> will try to be online
06:18 <mweltin> you are welcome
06:19 <mweltin> gcc -static should do the trick
06:20 <mweltin> g++ $(DEBUG) -static $(INC) bruteForce.cpp $(LIB) -o tsp
06:20 <mweltin> that is my build line from my makefile
06:20 <mweltin> inc is just include directories
06:21 <mweltin> and lib has a bunch of object files, expat pthread and boinc libs.
06:21 <mweltin> ok
06:21 <mweltin> good night.
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06:22 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
06:22 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 6°F / -14°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. High in the mid 20s. South wind near 10 mph shifting to the southeast in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Not as cold. Low in the lower 20s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday - Cloudy. A slight chance of snow in the (1 more message)
06:22 <wdsmia> &more
06:22 <Romulus> wdsmia: morning...then a chance of snow in the afternoon. High around 30. West wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the northwest 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon. Chance of snow 50 percent.;
06:30 <hawmps> 'mornin
06:30 <wdsmia> mornin Jay
06:35 <ELGono> lo doug & jay
06:36 <ELGono> jay, found sisters flat in berlin in birdseye hehe
06:36 <wdsmia> mornin Gono
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06:43 <hawmps> lol
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07:01 <ELGono> and jansd house as well
07:01 <ELGono> -d
07:09 <hawmps> I got the birdseye to within 400' of my property line - one shows a couple of my hay fields - that's about it.
07:16 <ELGono> hehe
07:17 <ELGono> was hard to find jans, caus i don't remember the roads name ... but i found her green volvo
07:17 <Romulus> contains the shell script
07:18 <hawmps> Have you heard anything from her?
07:20 <ELGono> nope, wanted to sent christmas cards, but didn't find her adress
07:44 <CoderForLife> re-hi
07:44 <CoderForLife> I would guess that an e-mail from my server saying "Device: /dev/sda, failed to read SMART values" is not a good sign
07:47 <CoderForLife> ah-yup - she's starting to pump mud
07:47 <ELGono> oh dear
07:48 <CoderForLife> ... backups running ...
07:48 <CoderForLife> preparing to switch over to backup server, whilst I work on the main server
07:50 <CoderForLife> no auto-failover at home
07:50 <CoderForLife> 'cos I'm cheap
08:02 <hawmps> 'lo Don
08:09 <sethy> GUESS WHO HAS BAWLS :D
08:11 <sethy> nice and cold from the warehouse
08:21 <CoderForLife> hello hawmps
08:21 <CoderForLife> doing server backups before switching servers and cracking open my main box
08:21 <sethy> but i'm sethy...
08:21 <sethy> oic nvm
08:22 <CoderForLife> hello sethy
08:22 <sethy> OMGOMG HAI DON
08:22 <CoderForLife> that looks like the error message I got this morning from my SCSI array
08:23 <sethy> error message "OMGOMG HAI DON"
08:23 <sethy> ?
08:32 <hawmps> with any luck the xpc's will show up today
08:48 <CoderForLife> nice hawmps
08:48 <CoderForLife> I calculate I need about 4 quads
08:59 <CoderForLife> samba is throwing read lock errors as I copy files
09:00 <CoderForLife> sum phun
09:05 <hawmps> that kind of stinks..
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09:25 <CoderForLife> not what I planned on doing today
09:26 <CoderForLife> my employer is very kind for donating my time today
09:26 <CoderForLife> at least, I think they will be
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10:11 <linux_stu> hello
10:11 <linux_stu> my boinc client was working fine until yesterday morning
10:12 <linux_stu> now i cannot upload or download files
10:12 <clusty> sethy, ouch. its damn gory
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10:12 <sethy> a little?
10:13 <linux_stu> i have two computers behind the same router, so i don't understand what it could be
10:14 <linux_stu> the computer that has stopped working has an older version of boinc on it. someone had suggested that maybe world community grid had made some changes
10:15 <sethy> hmm i'm not too sure on the WCG but i beleive they recently upgraded to support boinc so you may need a later version of boinc?
10:15 <sethy> also what version do you have currently?
10:16 <linux_stu> 5.8.15
10:17 <linux_stu> it worked perfectly for about a month
10:17 <linux_stu> until yesterday morning
10:19 <sethy> hmm
10:20 <linux_stu> i did makes some changes to my router yesterday, but it doesn't even work when i am not behind the router
10:23 <sethy> i'm not big on wcg
10:23 <linux_stu> maybe i could try another project
10:24 <linux_stu> i am installing the binaries for the more recent version of boinc, to see if that works
10:24 <sethy> see if another project will work on the box, cos maybe there may be some faults with WCG servers or your workunits have been used up for today
10:25 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007
10:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 33.6°F / 0.9°C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 30.54in / 1034.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Flurries in the morning. Highs around 40. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the 20s. Light wind.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 40 to 45. (1 more message)
10:25 <Tank_Master> &more
10:25 <Romulus> Tank_Master: North wind 5 to 10 mph.;
10:27 <sethy> omgomg Tank_Master
10:27 <sethy> hai
10:29 <Tank_Master> ?
10:32 <linux_stu> now i can't freaking attach to another project
10:34 <linux_stu> i am registering for rosetta@home as a new user throught the boinc gui, and it keeps telling me "missing or bad parameter: user_name"
10:34 <linux_stu> ok well it doesn't even ask me for a user_name, just an email address and a password
10:34 <linux_stu> i tried multiple email addresses and that didn't solve anything
10:35 <Tank_Master> creat the account from the web, then attache to an existing account
10:36 <linux_stu> where do i create the account on the web?
10:40 <linux_stu> well i am able to download rosetta wu's just fine
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11:08 <CoderForLife> What's sum phun is making a backup of a failing drive. Beating it while it's dying...
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11:18 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023
11:18 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 14°F / -10°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 42 on the North Rim to around 58 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming west around 15 mph late in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 19 on the North Rim to around 33 along the Colorado River. (1 more message)
11:18 <BadBarbarian> &more
11:18 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Light winds.; Wednesday - Much colder. Partly cloudy. Highs around 23 on the North Rim to around 39 along the Colorado River. North winds around 15 mph.;
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11:37 <hawmps> coolies...
11:37 <FreeLarry58> &weather 98366
11:37 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 27°F / -3°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.59in / 1036hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny...except partly cloudy north of Seattle early this morning with a chance of snow showers. Little or no accumulation. Highs in the upper 30s to mid 40s. South wind 10 mph shifting north this morning.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog (1 more message)
11:37 <Aeternus> hello
11:38 <FreeLarry58> &more
11:38 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: through the night. Lows in the 20s to lower 30s. Southeast wind around 10 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs in the upper 30s to mid 40s. Southeast wind around 10 mph.;
11:38 <FreeLarry58> lo hawmps Aeternus
11:38 <Aeternus> I've just installed the debian packages for boinc and boincmgr, what files should I copy to keep the situation that I had before with the downloaded client?
11:39 <hawmps> :-)
11:40 <FreeLarry58> looking good jay
11:40 <hawmps> one down..
11:40 <hawmps> one to go..
11:41 <FreeLarry58> looks like you may have speed stepping enabled on yours - i disabled it for mine
11:42 <FreeLarry58> 10% better on bm
11:42 <Romulus> yeah they tie the credit card company
11:43 <FreeLarry58> Aeternus i couldn't really tell you except maybe any of the project .xml files
11:44 <Aeternus> let me find the dir where I should put them :)
11:44 <FreeLarry58> slots and projects folders?
11:44 <FreeLarry58> that should normally be where they were before ie /wahtever/boinc/...
11:45 <Aeternus> yes, I have it in a directory now, but I installed the packaged version
11:45 <Aeternus> seems to use /etc/bonc-client
11:46 <hawmps> on mine?
11:46 <hawmps> ...I'll have to look at the bios
11:48 <FreeLarry58> mostly windows user here Aeternus but on nix machine povaddic had me set the bonc as seperate user on them so setup quite different for me
11:50 <FreeLarry58> newest machine using fedora8 with ubantu packages dl'ed to user boinc then installed in /home/boinc/boinc/....
11:51 <FreeLarry58> well time for me to depart doctors and dog groomer appts
11:51 <FreeLarry58> yah jay - in my bios eist was enabled - i disabled and got good increase on bm
11:54 <hawmps> will check on it when the updates are done
11:55 <BadBarbarian> tt vvyw8fMorning all
11:55 <BadBarbarian> opps
11:55 <BadBarbarian> lol
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12:23 <E-30> hey
12:23 <desti> l0
12:24 <E-30> how are you doing
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12:46 <hawmps> doing the install for "repete"
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12:54 <E-30> lol have fun
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14:17 <MTughan_> Still at school, about another 45 minutes...
14:17 <MTughan_> Wait, I'm here after school... Got a big project to work on.
14:22 <Soul_keeper> installing boinc on all their computers ?
14:22 <MTughan_> Heh, nope. It is school related.
14:22 <MTughan_> I wish though...
14:23 <MTughan_> This machine is a P4 3.2GHz, 512MB RAM with XP SP2.
14:26 <TMatWork> 512? ouch
14:26 <MTughan_> It runs fast enough.
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14:43 <sethy> latest foobar is prety sweet
14:49 <mweltin> What happes to a task being worked on by a host, if the workunit is canceled on the server side?
14:50 <MTughan_> It'll keep working on it until next update.
14:51 <MTughan_> Anyway, school's 'bout done here... Got a school project to work on though, so I'll be staying later than usual.
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15:18 <mweltin> yoyo[RKN], you there?
15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> jo
15:19 <mweltin> hi yoyo[RKN], what happens client side when I cancel a workunit?
15:20 <yoyo[RKN]> if it was not started on the client and the client connects to the server, the wu will be deleted on client side
15:20 <yoyo[RKN]> otherwise it will be started
15:21 <mweltin> what about already running tasks?
15:21 <desti> but works only with 5.10.*?
15:21 <mweltin> are they aborted, I implimented serverside aborts.
15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> think already running task continue
15:21 <desti> if i remember they will be finished and credited
15:22 <Romulus> or 31.9F for those in Rio Linda...
15:22 <mweltin> what happens to the results at the validator and assimilator level.
15:22 <yoyo[RKN]> I'm not sure. I think they will even get no credits
15:23 <yoyo[RKN]> the sample validator handles it automatic and assimilator ignores it
15:23 <yoyo[RKN]> and file deleter and db_purge removes it
15:24 <mweltin> ok the
15:25 <mweltin> validator gives the credit and unstarted ones will be aborted.
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16:09 <xcamel> afternoon...
16:09 <sethy> evening
16:09 <xcamel> well... pete is a screamer, and repete is retarded.
16:10 <xcamel> go figure...
16:11 <sethy> i wonder if in the pokemon world if you from a pokeball at the ground and say go figure a number '3' will come out
16:11 <sethy> s/form/frow
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16:13 <sethy> This page requires database access. Our database server is temporarily shut down for maintenance. Please try again later. ??
16:17 <sethy> i wonder what the arecibo message would sound like if it was to be output as a sound
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16:32 <xcamel> sheesh..
16:33 <xcamel> try here >> http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=1092935
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16:36 <sethy> i c u :D
16:36 <Erkki> Hi
16:36 <sethy> HI
16:36 <sethy> omg that was weird
16:36 <xcamel> 'lo Erkki
16:36 <Erkki> 8-)
16:37 <xcamel> everything is wierd to you, sethy
16:37 <Erkki> OK
16:37 <sethy> thank you :D
16:38 <sethy> ok on teh wikipedia it says 'transmitted at a frequency of 2380 MHz and modulated by shifting the frequency by 10 Hz,'
16:38 <sethy> does this mean the frequency was incremented or decremented?
16:38 <Erkki> I must allways put the Boinc go on my computer
16:39 <sethy> startup option is a go Erkki?
16:39 <Erkki> Ok
16:39 <Erkki> Bad language?
16:40 <Romulus> just had a contain or food that was missing with all features
16:40 <xcamel> usually +5 to -5 sethy..
16:40 <sethy> oic
16:40 <xcamel> the frequency is the centerpoint
16:40 <sethy> ahh so ranges from 2375 - 2385
16:41 <xcamel> pretty much
16:41 <sethy> 2375 being the 0volts signal and -85 being the 5volts
16:41 <xcamel> there is also sidebanding
16:44 <Erkki> It's late.Bye:)
16:44 <sethy> bye Erkki
16:44 <sethy> xcamel: sidebanding?
16:45 <Erkki> What?
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16:48 <xcamel> are you doing raido or audio?
16:48 <sethy> audio
16:48 <xcamel> forget sidebands then - that's like harmonics
16:48 <sethy> oic
16:49 <sethy> DTMF
16:49 <xcamel> there is a huge wiki on that..
16:50 <sethy> i know, i use to know the DTMF grid on the phone box, known by heart
16:54 <xcamel> my computer is getting too good at pool..
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16:56 <sethy> chess 3000?
16:57 <xcamel> billiards..
16:59 <sethy> i was recomending a new game...
17:00 <xcamel> not big on chess
17:00 <xcamel> (I suck at it)
17:00 <sethy> everyone does
17:00 <sethy> except those people who go to championships
17:00 <Romulus> Connection #1 to Crash.teamstarfire.net:6667 on IRCJunkie as Kinguni
17:01 <sethy> play gunbound world championships?
17:01 <sethy> its like worms
17:01 <sethy> just its free and play online
17:04 <xcamel> uh-huh
17:05 <sethy> or just go back to oldschool and blow the dust off of diablo2
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17:06 <xcamel> lol
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17:06 <Romulus> I know I'd come. Pov'd come too...
17:06 <xcamel> I could blow allot of dust of Duke Nukem...
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17:10 <CoderForLife> re-hi
17:10 <CoderForLife> home now
17:11 <mweltin> hey cfl
17:11 <xcamel> re--re-hi
17:11 <CoderForLife> hello American Samoa and the Empire State
17:11 <mweltin> can you do me a huge favor cfl.
17:12 <CoderForLife> a DNS favor?
17:12 <mweltin> yup
17:12 <CoderForLife> you mentioned something about 13 hours ago
17:12 <CoderForLife> what do you need?
17:12 <CoderForLife> nslookup?
17:12 <mweltin> I just need you to look at the record and see if you see major mistakes.
17:12 <xcamel> Don.. 'pete' is a screamer... repete is 'retarded;
17:12 <mweltin> no I'm using a free DNS servcie called xname.org
17:13 <CoderForLife> what's the nameserver?
17:13 <mweltin> and before I swith the name servers with my registrar I want someone to take a look at it.
17:14 <mweltin> I'll pastebin it.
17:14 <CoderForLife> otay
17:15 <CoderForLife> I didn't catch your meaning, xcamel
17:15 <mweltin> so here is what I want set up. Apache needs to answer to bob.myisland.as so that has an A record, as well as www.myisland.as and myisland.as
17:15 <CoderForLife> just getting in from w@#%, brain hasn't engaged yet
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17:15 <mweltin> I'm going to use google apps to do mail so they are my MX records
17:16 <CoderForLife> what is the nameserver for xname.org?
17:16 <mweltin> and I want mail transparent so I made some CNAME records to my mail.myisland.as to mail.google.com
17:16 <CoderForLife> so I can look at the seetings
17:16 <CoderForLife> settings
17:16 <mweltin> its not active yet
17:16 <CoderForLife> doesn't matter
17:16 <CoderForLife> have you configured their server?
17:16 <mweltin> yes thats what I want you to checkout
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17:16 <mweltin> ns0.xname.org
17:17 <CoderForLife> that's what I needed to know
17:17 <CoderForLife> thx - looking
17:17 <CoderForLife> um - I can't find that server
17:17 <sethy> maybe i could substitute 2375Hz and 2385Hz for something else?
17:17 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
17:18 <sethy> BOTH ARE DIVISIBLE BY 5
17:18 * sethy does calculationz
17:18 <mweltin> CoderForLife, try to pastebin url
17:18 * xcamel does poolz
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17:19 <xcamel> oh.. sorry...
17:19 <mweltin> hmm I dont' see my CNAME stuff
17:19 <xcamel> my new c2q xpc boxes - one works great, the other is 'retarded' (and being replaced)
17:19 <Romulus> I work with 0
17:22 <CoderForLife> is google.com an alias of googlemail.com? I know gmail.com is...
17:22 <CoderForLife> you have google as your primary/first MXes
17:22 <mweltin> I was looking at their "how to configure thunderbird" and those where the server names the used for smtp, pop, and imap.
17:23 <mweltin> google will deal with all mail.
17:23 <mweltin> I'm trying the "google apps"
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17:24 <CoderForLife> > set type=CNAME
17:24 <CoderForLife> > myisland.as
17:24 <CoderForLife> Server: ns0.xname.org
17:24 <CoderForLife> Address: 126.96.36.199
17:24 <CoderForLife> myisland.as
17:24 <CoderForLife> primary name server = ns0.xname.org
17:24 <CoderForLife> responsible mail addr = mweltin.gmail.com
17:24 <CoderForLife> serial = 2008011510
17:24 <CoderForLife> refresh = 10800 (3 hours)
17:24 <CoderForLife> retry = 3600 (1 hour)
17:24 <CoderForLife> expire = 604800 (7 days)
17:24 <CoderForLife> default TTL = 10800 (3 hours)
17:25 <mweltin> I'm not sure what you are telling me sorry.
17:26 <CoderForLife> you said you couldn't see CNAME stuff
17:26 <CoderForLife> ^^^^^^^^^^
17:26 <mweltin> yes
17:26 <mweltin> were you using nslookup?
17:26 <CoderForLife> yup
17:27 <mweltin> I only have CNAME's for mail, pop, and imap .myisland.as
17:27 <mweltin> and I can see them in the "modify zone" interface but nowhere else.
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17:27 <mweltin> so is it setup or not, because from what you showed me it doesn't look it.
17:28 <mweltin> but I'm not sure what I'm looking at either.
17:30 <CoderForLife> let me look at mine
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17:37 <linux_stu> áóéúí !!!!
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17:43 * FreeLarry58 sees xcamel got twins but only one of them had a brain
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17:50 <CoderForLife> bbl - maybe
17:54 <xcamel> Don.. did you figure out what I was talking about?
17:56 <FreeLarry58> mweltin this is what i get for nslookup
17:56 <FreeLarry58> Non-authoritative answer:
17:56 <FreeLarry58> Name: bob.myisland.as
17:56 <FreeLarry58> Address: 188.8.131.52
17:57 <mweltin> dig @ns0.xname.org axfr myisland.as
17:57 <mweltin> but I don't see my CNAME enries
17:57 <FreeLarry58> hey jay - what wrong with repete?
17:58 <FreeLarry58> humm mweltin are they privatewhois records?
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17:58 <mweltin> not that I know of? but didn't konw you coudl do that.
17:58 <Romulus> give cfl a ticket for disorderly irc'ing
17:58 <FreeLarry58> some of the services provide it
17:59 <xcamel> he's been grumpy today..
17:59 <FreeLarry58> ohh bad mb?
18:00 <xcamel> bad something.. not sure what yet..
18:00 <FreeLarry58> what symptoms?
18:00 <xcamel> the host listing on 'pete' looks goo though
18:00 <FreeLarry58> yeah saw those earlier - did you disable eist?
18:00 <xcamel> only powers on when you bress both power and reset...
18:00 <xcamel> that's a bad sign..
18:01 <xcamel> er press even
18:01 <FreeLarry58> yeah connections for front switches not hooked up to mb correctly or switches bad
18:01 <xcamel> no, not yet..
18:01 <FreeLarry58> i'ld check the wiring hookup first
18:02 <xcamel> but then it only gets half way through a format and stops..
18:02 <xcamel> brandon is going to replace it..
18:03 <FreeLarry58> yuck sounds like that one i bought from american computers for the wife many years ago - what didn't blowup on first power up did so within the year
18:03 <FreeLarry58> to many generic low end items were used
18:03 <xcamel> that's what I'm thinking..
18:04 <xcamel> I'm just going to send it back..
18:04 <FreeLarry58> cd reader was bad out of box - hd failed in the first month and the mb failed at just under a year
18:05 <FreeLarry58> ps only lasted a year and a half
18:07 <mweltin> FreeLarry, turns out my CNAME refrenced a host outside my domain so I needed the dot at the end of the domain name.
18:10 <FreeLarry58> mweltin this was for the mail
18:10 <FreeLarry58> Non-authoritative answer:
18:10 <FreeLarry58> Name: myisland.as
18:10 <FreeLarry58> Address: 184.108.40.206
18:10 <FreeLarry58> Aliases: mail.myisland.as
18:10 <FreeLarry58> so cname must be working as nslookup is thru my isp's
18:11 <mweltin> wow that was fast
18:11 <Romulus> yup another big processing center there
18:11 <FreeLarry58> it can take a day for names to propogate thru system
18:11 <mweltin> its still not showing up on my dig calls
18:11 <mweltin> yeah, but I'm looking on their server directly.
18:12 <FreeLarry58> i just did nslookup mail.myisland.as
18:12 <FreeLarry58> from command prompt
18:12 <mweltin> I'm trying it now
18:14 <FreeLarry58> well off to do daily chores
18:14 <mweltin> later
18:14 <mweltin> thanks
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18:25 <wdsmia> re-hi
18:27 <xcamel> 'lo Doug
18:28 <wdsmia> *lo Jay ...just back reading
18:29 <Tank_Master> crap
18:29 <Tank_Master> wdsmia is back
18:30 * Tank_Master hides the incriminating evidence
18:30 <wdsmia> Crap... Tank_Master is still here
18:30 <Tank_Master> :)
18:31 <xcamel> cut the crap.
18:31 <Tank_Master> you want us to cut you?
18:33 <wdsmia> The fickle matter is about to hit the rotary air impeller
18:34 <xcamel> Romulus, learn linux as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_ubuntu_5.10.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
18:34 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:35 <Tank_Master> did you see that eric Kprpela strongly disagrees with DA's new credit scheem?
18:35 <xcamel> Romulus, learn linux64 as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_ubuntu_5.10.28_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
18:35 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:35 <xcamel> must have missed it..
18:35 <Tank_Master> Romulus, learn not to talk out of turn
18:35 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Invalid arguments for learn.
18:35 <Tank_Master> lol
18:36 <xcamel> Romulus, learn windows as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.35_windows_intelx86.exe
18:36 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:36 <xcamel> TM - try not to be a pest..
18:36 <xcamel> Romulus, learn windows64 as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.35_windows_x86_64.exe
18:36 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:36 <wdsmia> Tank_Master Its not a good idea to play with Jay when he has a broke computer
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18:37 <Tank_Master> and what fun would that be?
18:37 <Tank_Master> FFIne
18:37 <wdsmia> short lived fun
18:37 <Tank_Master> yrs it was
18:37 <xcamel> Romulus, learn OSX as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.34_macOSX_universal.zip
18:37 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:37 <xcamel> &OSX
18:37 <Romulus> xcamel: "OSX" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.34_macOSX_universal.zip
18:37 <xcamel> yea..
18:38 <Tank_Master> &win64
18:38 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Are you daft?
18:38 <Tank_Master> yes
18:38 <Tank_Master> &windows64
18:38 <Romulus> Tank_Master: "windows64" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.35_windows_x86_64.exe
18:38 <xcamel> Romulus, learn win64 as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.35_windows_x86_64.exe
18:38 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:38 <Tank_Master> cool, thx
18:38 <xcamel> both work now..
18:38 <Tank_Master> win32?
18:39 <Tank_Master> dont know which would be used more
18:39 <Tank_Master> win or win32
18:39 <xcamel> Romulus, learn win32 as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.35_windows_intelx86.exe
18:39 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:39 <xcamel> what should vista be?
18:39 <Tank_Master> vista is different that win?
18:39 <xcamel> 32 or 64?
18:39 <BadBarbarian> both
18:39 <wdsmia> taken out of production
18:40 <Tank_Master> ?
18:40 <xcamel> taken out and burned is a good one...
18:40 <BadBarbarian> lol
18:40 <Tank_Master> vista64 probably
18:40 <xcamel> Romulus, learn vista as "take it out and burn it"
18:40 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:40 <xcamel> &vista
18:40 <Romulus> xcamel: "vista" could be take it out and burn it
18:40 <Tank_Master> but if the vista point to the same as win, dont bother
18:40 <BadBarbarian> taken
18:41 <BadBarbarian> taken out
18:41 <xcamel> Romulus, forget vista
18:41 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:41 <wdsmia> "vista" could be Windows me 2007
18:42 <xcamel> Romulus, learn vista as take it out and burn it - install linux right away
18:42 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
18:42 <xcamel> &vista
18:42 <Romulus> xcamel: "vista" could be take it out and burn it - install linux right away
18:42 <Tank_Master> but keep server 2008
18:42 <xcamel> whutevah
18:42 <xcamel> that should help the noobs
18:43 <Tank_Master> while it may be like vista, it doesnt have a lot of the additional fluff, and no drm
18:46 <Tank_Master> and server 2008 is 5% faster than XP
18:50 <wdsmia> getting closer to next boinc goal, rank < 1000 in all projects
18:50 <Tank_Master> nice
18:50 <Romulus> was hoping to see if you mail a priority letter from the 32bit host
18:50 <Tank_Master> not easy in some
18:51 <wdsmia> should catch up on the last 3 within a week
18:51 <xcamel> &math convert 40 g to l
18:51 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: l is not a valid unit.
18:52 <xcamel> &math convert 40 gal to ltr
18:52 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: ltr is not a valid unit.
18:52 <xcamel> &math convert 40 gal to l
18:52 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: l is not a valid unit.
18:52 <xcamel> &units
18:52 <Romulus> xcamel: valid types: mass, length, time, scheduling, temperature, temp. diff., current, charge, potential, resistance, conductance, capacitance, magn. flux, inductance, flux density, molecular qty, size of a mol, lum. intens., luminous flux, illuminance, luminance, angle, solid angle, data, data transfer, quantity, interest rate, concentration, force, area, volume, velocity, rot. velocity, fluid flow, gas (1 more message)
18:52 <Tank_Master> &more xcamel
18:52 <Romulus> Tank_Master: flow, pressure, density, energy, power, frequency, radioactivity, radiation dose, dyn viscosity, kin viscosity, acceleration, constant, fuel consumpt.
18:52 <xcamel> oh stop...
18:53 <Tank_Master> lol
18:53 <xcamel> &units volume
18:53 <Romulus> xcamel: volume units: cc, cubic centimeter, liter, L, litre, deciliter, centiliter, milliliter, mL, dekaliter, hectoliter, kiloliter, kL, cubic meter, megaliter, gallon, gal, quart, qt, pint, pt, fluid ounce, fl oz, ounce fluid, cup, tablespoon, tbsp, teaspoon, tsp, barrel, bbl, shot, fifth, wine bottle, magnum, keg, bushel, peck, cord, board foot, board feet
18:53 <xcamel> &math convert 40 gal to liter
18:53 <Romulus> xcamel: 151.41647136
18:54 <wdsmia> &eightball will Tank_Master survive the night without being kicked by xcamel?
18:54 <Romulus> wdsmia: It shall be.
18:55 <xcamel> maybe I should start banging his cage with a steel pipe...
18:55 <wdsmia> Stormy?
18:55 <Tank_Master> &8ball will xcamel lighten up one of these days?
18:55 <Romulus> Tank_Master: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
18:56 <Tank_Master> ggreeaatt... our bot is ADD
18:56 <xcamel> Not tonight hun, I have a headache.
18:56 <Tank_Master> ahh, thats not good
18:57 <xcamel> TM.. you linux?
18:57 <Tank_Master> no
18:57 <xcamel> damn..
18:57 <xcamel> no problem.
18:57 <Tank_Master> sorry
19:02 <xcamel> needed to convert a 30 gallon pressure tank to litres for my maint person down in mexico.. the bladder might have gone bad in it..
19:05 <wdsmia> must be a election year
19:05 <Tank_Master> lol
19:05 <Tank_Master> howd you guess?
19:05 <xcamel> 'fraid to even look with that title..
19:06 <xcamel> that moron is too stupid to even realixe they're "bull balls"
19:07 <xcamel> not "human genitalia"
19:08 <Tank_Master> not to everyone
19:15 <xcamel> those people need to get a life..
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19:26 <xcamel> I need a few more people with *nix (bash/curl) to hit this web poll...
19:30 <MTughan> I think I hit it 5 times last night with your script...
19:30 <MTughan> Set up for another 3 runs.
19:32 <MTughan> Gah... Mac's still in service.
19:34 <wdsmia> roflmao Cat was sitting on the fish tank... Oscar found its tail
19:36 <xcamel> snap!
19:36 <xcamel> <missing cat>
19:36 <wdsmia> Fish eats Cat lol
19:39 <wdsmia> going to have to rename the cat from La Gotta to Fish Food
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19:40 <xcamel> me-yubble
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19:43 <FreeLarry58> xcamel what does nix have to do and can a noob like me do it?
19:43 <FreeLarry58> have a couple of machines i use now
19:44 <bryanUC> xcamel: what web poll
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19:49 <xcamel> got linux?\
19:49 <xcamel> FL - you need to be able to run command line curl..
19:49 <xcamel> in a console window..
19:50 <bryanUC> well, somewhere I do
19:50 <bryanUC> not as a desktop os
19:50 <bryanUC> but on any of my many servers
19:50 <bryanUC> that and BSD
19:50 <MTughan> Check if the curl command works.
19:52 * FreeLarry58 gives blank stare
19:52 <MTughan> Ever used the console?
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19:53 <Romulus> Title: Bash pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
19:53 <xcamel> it is all one line..
19:53 <MTughan> Ah, you added the -s.
19:53 <xcamel> indeed I did
19:53 <MTughan> Makes sense.
19:56 <xcamel> you will have to zoom in
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19:57 <MTughan> rofl
19:58 <MTughan> How 'bout this one? http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/15/funny-pictures-you-lied-to-me/
19:58 <MTughan> Hmm...
19:58 <MTughan> &web title http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/15/funny-pictures-you-lied-to-me/
19:58 <Romulus> MTughan: You lied to me. « Lolcats n Funny Pictures - I Can Has Cheezburger?
19:59 <MTughan> Seems one plugin is taking precedence over another.
20:04 <bryanUC> xcamel: may I ask what that line does?
20:04 <bryanUC> (accesses the poll 10,000 times?)
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20:19 <xcamel> hammers 10,000 votes into a web poll that is being hammered by Ron Paul supporters... (who need to be cast off into space, really)
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20:27 <xcamel> damn there ate some funny cat pics
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20:55 <FreeLarry58> b k terminal open what first type curl then the line from paste-bin?
20:57 <MTughan> No, just copy and paste the line from pastebin.
20:57 <FreeLarry58> k will try
20:57 <xcamel> the whole line...
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21:00 <FreeLarry58> pasted it and hit enter don't know if it doing anything tho
21:01 <FreeLarry58> maybe it is see lots of network activity
21:03 <xcamel> should be a constant hit rate..
21:03 <Romulus> I'll try to attach to the slots dir.
21:04 <FreeLarry58> using 60% recieved and 20% set for network
21:05 <xcamel> check for progress here (vote for fred)
21:05 * FreeLarry58 would have been easier if was on xchat on that machne
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21:08 <xcamel> the paulians are brutal... we must half their 'cellar dwellers' working overtime
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21:12 <FreeLarry58> k xcamel you got two machines working it for you now
21:13 <xcamel> great..
21:14 <xcamel> remove the '-s' from after 'do curl' if you want to watch it work..
21:15 <FreeLarry58> ahh well you have a .64% increase on fred currently
21:16 <FreeLarry58> will it just go back to the prompt when finished?
21:20 <xcamel> yup
21:21 <xcamel> thanks, btw..
21:21 <FreeLarry58> yw
21:23 <xcamel> now it's going back up a bit..
21:23 <FreeLarry58> oh make that 3 nix machnes now
21:24 <FreeLarry58> almost 1 % since i first checked
21:27 <xcamel> like I said... the paulians are brutal - the skiddies must have 50 machines on it with a bad script.. (skidmore college)
21:27 <xcamel> I'm beating the crap out of it with 3 too...
21:28 <FreeLarry58> lol
21:28 <xcamel> my bandwidth is about buried
21:28 <FreeLarry58> i finally see where in sys monitor curl runs from
21:29 <FreeLarry58> doesn't seem to affect my bandwidth yet ;)
21:30 <MTughan> I could probably run about two iterations here too.
21:31 <MTughan> Done.
21:31 <FreeLarry58> got 3 machines doing it here one on each probable could open more terminals to do again as 2 and 4 processors on 2 of the machines
21:32 <FreeLarry58> and it isn't even using .3 for load avg
21:33 <FreeLarry58> but wifey may get upset if i knock out her dl of philippino show
21:33 <MTughan> Heh.
21:34 <FreeLarry58> she finally discovered streaming video on her machine and boy is she using it
21:34 <xcamel> oh boy...
21:34 <FreeLarry58> may have to get the next package up ie go from mid level to high speed
21:34 <xcamel> using vlc?
21:35 <FreeLarry58> nope she using ie7
21:35 <FreeLarry58> so windows media
21:35 <MTughan> Ouch.
21:36 <FreeLarry58> yeah she only watching so not to concerned and her machine pretty much by itself
21:39 <xcamel> big ouchies
21:40 <FreeLarry58> humm getting some fairly long breaks in the network now it seems
21:40 <FreeLarry58> it is about time for her shows ;)
21:41 <FreeLarry58> she found streaming video of one of her favorite tv shows from pi
21:42 <FreeLarry58> haven't asked to many questions about it either
21:44 <FreeLarry58> ahh one machine done
21:44 <Tank_Master> for?
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21:46 <FreeLarry58> for xcamel - trying it again only without the -s -- i see why you used it
21:46 <xcamel> it's just 'scroll work'
21:47 <FreeLarry58> yah
21:52 <xcamel> guess I'll have to doodle off and watch some history channel or something...
21:53 <xcamel> laterzz.
21:53 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.
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22:54 <MTughan> Everyone's dead, the crickets are chirping loud and clear...
22:56 <Tank_Master> lol
23:17 <Alphinux> I am not dead
23:17 <Alphinux> Nor alive
23:17 <Alphinux> I just exist
23:18 <Alphinux> I have existed from the begining of time, and will exist always
23:20 * Tank_Master slaps Alphinux around a bit with a large trout
23:27 * Alphinux as Tank_Master tries to slap Alphinux he understands Alphinux can not be hurt nor killed. It is then when he falls to hes knees and asks the grand master for illumination
23:28 * Alphinux nods, and puts his hand on his shoulder: My brother illumination is in you. You must look carefully.
23:28 * Tank_Master makes note that no killing was attempted, and that it was Alphinux that was in fact mistaken
23:29 * Alphinux you are forgiven for your attempt, for it is forgiveness a path to illumination and understanding.
23:30 <Alphinux> aaa let's stop this or we'll never stop
23:30 * Tank_Master feels Alphinux needs to get off his high horse and to put the pipe down
23:32 <Alphinux> lol
23:35 <Tank_Master> :)
23:37 <Alphinux> At least there was some activity, It's like if every one was dead.
23:38 <Alphinux> And you know, my mind tends to to weird stuff
23:39 <Tank_Master> day sleepers
23:42 <Tank_Master> but it is usually more active than this
23:43 <MTughan> &quiet
23:43 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers
23:43 <Romulus> indeed I did ;)
23:47 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout
23:48 <Tank_Master> you know something I love to do?
23:49 <Tank_Master> when RMAing a HDD, using a competitors box to ship the dive in
23:50 <MTughan> lol
23:50 <Tank_Master> huh, I can upgrade this 300 gb to a 500 for $99
23:51 <Tank_Master> why wouldnt I want this 300 back and buy a brand new 500 for $89?
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23:54 <MTughan> Heh, nice.
23:55 <Tank_Master> the 500 from then as an "upgrade" is a referm to
23:55 <Tank_Master> referb*