IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-01-18

00:03 <MTughan> lol...

00:03 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:03 <Romulus>

00:03 <MTughan> No CAD yet.

00:19 <efc2> The bits are frozen

00:22 <MTughan> Well, read the bios of the players. They're quite amusing.

00:22 <Romulus> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del (at

00:23 <MTughan> &cad It's up!

00:23 <Romulus>

00:25 <MTughan> I'm off to bed...

00:37 <efc2> night

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01:32 <sethy> 'lo

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01:41 <sethy> omg irssi

01:42 <sethy> irssi on windows

01:42 <sethy> thank the lord for putty

01:42 <sethy> well, the guy who made putty

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03:53 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

03:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 27.1F / -2.7C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with areas of drizzle. A scattered heavier rain shower is possible. Rain may change to snow before ending between midnight and 2 am. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 80 (1 more message)

03:54 <CoderForLife> &more

03:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. Southwest winds around 10 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Lows around 20. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;

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04:12 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

04:19 <CoderForLife> b

04:20 <FreeLarry58> humm did tsp get transfered and if it did how to updated link - get cannot resolve host name error message for them

04:20 <FreeLarry58> morn CoderForLife

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04:21 <CoderForLife> hello Larry

04:22 <CoderForLife> how's everything on the Weaks Coast this morning?

04:22 <FreeLarry58> ohh going along - just got in from you know where - where you getting ready to go to

04:23 <FreeLarry58> 1/18/2008 1:03:37 AM|traveling salesman problem|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error

04:23 <FreeLarry58> 1/18/2008 1:03:37 AM|traveling salesman problem|Deferring communication for 3 hr 41 min 57 sec

04:23 <FreeLarry58> 1/18/2008 1:03:37 AM|traveling salesman problem|Reason: scheduler request failed

04:23 <FreeLarry58> one machine gives cannot resolve host and another gives that

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04:24 <FreeLarry58> superlinkattechion has some wrapper problems i see also

04:26 <CoderForLife> from time to time we all must go and feed perdition's flames

04:26 <CoderForLife> and return home to play with hardware and boinc

04:27 <FreeLarry58> yess keep sane --- somewhat?

04:28 <FreeLarry58> i see i did get my account page at tsp to show - with many many lines of errors prior to it

04:28 <FreeLarry58> also when i clicked on home page link i got a listing of his directory - still some work to be done there

04:29 <CoderForLife> you at least need to come home to get out of the burnt clothes

04:29 <FreeLarry58> just diesel smoke smell

04:29 <CoderForLife> I'm sure that's great for the lungs

04:30 <FreeLarry58> very - getting more sensitive to heavy parfume some people take a bath in there

04:30 <FreeLarry58> have to get away from them or throat constricts

04:32 <CoderForLife> right

04:33 <FreeLarry58> it does due to increased phylum production - nose plugs up throat clogs and restricted airway

04:34 <FreeLarry58> normally have to move to other dock just to breath

04:34 <Romulus> So after this batch is finished, I'll have hit it 5 times last night but.. anybody know of on this for yoyo - suspended network and then works from there

04:42 <CoderForLife> I can understand that

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05:05 <E-30> ,moo

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05:06 <CoderForLife> moo E-30

05:06 <E-30> hey cfl how are you doing

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05:08 <clusty> hey

05:08 <clusty> anyone tried compiling the boinc manager under windows lately?

05:10 <E-30> no i havent

05:10 <CoderForLife> me either

05:10 <E-30> xp ar vista

05:10 <CoderForLife> &seen PovAddict

05:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 5 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <PovAddict> I'm back the 23rd; I may or may not connect tomorrow

05:11 <E-30> oh i see

05:11 <E-30> lol

05:11 <CoderForLife> oic2

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05:13 <E-30> lol

05:14 <E-30> t2 ha weard

05:28 <clusty> povaddict is on vacatuion for a month

05:29 <clusty> wrote to the dev mailing list

05:29 <clusty> will whistle till i get a reply

05:29 <clusty> :D

05:42 <clusty> probably is the wrong place to ask, but are there other nice alternatives to the boinc framework? :D

05:42 <clusty> i imagine boinc is the best in all the world

05:42 <clusty> :D

05:51 <xcamel> :-)

06:02 <E-30> hey xcamel how are you doing

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06:13 <CoderForLife> many universities use Condor, clusty

06:13 <CoderForLife> hello xcamel

06:13 <clusty> cfl, thanks

06:13 <clusty> my main concern is reliability

06:13 <clusty> of boinc

06:14 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - cya later

06:14 <clusty> bye bye

06:14 <CoderForLife> there are large Condor grids, with failover

06:15 <clusty> user has to be assumed a total dummy in my case

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06:15 <clusty> does boinc handle well cancelled tasks. and so forth

06:16 <clusty> ?

06:23 <fedorared> clusty: Given the redundency described at  I'd say so

06:24 <Romulus> <> (at

06:27 <hawmps> 'lo

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06:30 <mweltin> hey HEY

06:33 <clusty> hey markus

06:33 <mweltin> how goes teh project clusty?

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06:33 <mweltin> get teh static stuff down?

06:33 <clusty> bloody great

06:33 <clusty> you can do multifile apps

06:33 <clusty> now i have diff problem: Windows

06:33 <clusty> :D

06:33 <mweltin> assumeing you are an Auzy, or English I'll assume that is good.

06:33 <clusty> cant compile manager under windows

06:34 <mweltin> yes multiple apps are great.

06:34 <clusty> i am a man of the world

06:34 <clusty> :D

06:34 <mweltin> I have two and plans for a third.

06:34 <mweltin> what do you mean manager?

06:34 <mweltin> boinc client?

06:34 <clusty> boinc manager

06:34 <clusty> wx cute interface

06:35 <clusty> boinc_gui under linux

06:35 <mweltin> you should be able to get binaries for that.

06:35 <clusty> i need to modify interface

06:35 <mweltin> from the bonic site.

06:35 <mweltin> hahaahah, well you are on your own there.  I'm not much of a graphics guy.

06:35 <mweltin> what are you using to build boinc with on windows?

06:35 <clusty> dummy code works just fine with clients shipped

06:36 <mweltin> MS visual studio works well

06:36 <clusty> but now my boss wants it to make it more dummy proof

06:36 <clusty> :D

06:36 <mweltin> LOL

06:36 <clusty> like crippleing all advanced features

06:36 <mweltin> doesnt' he know the world will make a better dummy?

06:36 <clusty> :D

06:36 <clusty> to make sure user can't suspend/abort/screw up workunits

06:37 <clusty> user can just ubninstall client if he is fed up

06:37 <mweltin> hmmmmmmmm well they still have access to the running process and the files it creates.

06:37 <mweltin> takes a savy user to get to them

06:37 <clusty> my point

06:38 <clusty> most people will just click random buttons

06:38 <mweltin> so if he is worried about idots its a mute point.

06:38 <mweltin> I'm one of those people.

06:38 <mweltin> thats why I suck at video games.

06:38 <clusty> mute point?

06:38 <clusty> lool

06:38 <clusty> :D

06:38 <clusty> i also suck at them

06:38 <clusty> what sort of computing do you do?

06:39 <mweltin> if there is a lever I pull it, a putton I push it, and it often leads to instant death.

06:39 <clusty> uuuuhhhhh, what does this button do

06:39 <clusty> buhhhhhkhhhhhhssssssssshhhhhhhhhh

06:39 <clusty> :D

06:39 <mweltin> I'll do anything, now that I'm on a small island I have done IT work.

06:39 <clusty> i saw

06:40 <mweltin> but I'm mostly c/c++ working on web/AI/and embeded systems.

06:40 <mweltin> all the web stuff is porting business processes to the web.

06:40 <clusty> how is ameruican samoa?

06:40 <clusty> island in the sun?

06:40 <clusty> :D

06:40 <mweltin> the diving can't be beat.

06:40 <mweltin> well it can but its darn nice.

06:40 <clusty> i also work on a small high tech company

06:41 <mweltin> I think you can run boinc as a service

06:41 <clusty> i just moved to germany for 1 year

06:41 <mweltin> people don't even have to know its running.

06:41 <clusty> its damn bleak here

06:41 <mweltin> I lived in Kolen for a year.

06:41 <clusty> bremen :D

06:41 <mweltin> it was nice

06:41 <clusty> famous even in germany :D

06:41 <clusty> for bad weather

06:42 <clusty> so you're american?

06:42 <mweltin> yes, thinking about moving to NZ next.

06:42 <clusty> thought same :D. uhhh never been in that corner of the world

06:43 <clusty> why do a phd or something in australia :D

06:43 <mweltin> I've been around the block

06:43 <clusty> why not*

06:43 <mweltin> indeed

06:43 <clusty> this is actually my first real job

06:43 <clusty> :D

06:44 <clusty> had tons of work form home/student jobs

06:44 <clusty> but no nine to fivers

06:44 <mweltin> I don't make much money but I like working for myself.

06:44 <mweltin> the hours are good.

06:45 <mweltin> My GF thinks I could make lots more money, and she may be right, but money is not everything.

06:45 <clusty> sure

06:45 <clusty> fact that you can go diving is priceless

06:45 <mweltin> You learn that quick diving with sea turtles and sharks.

06:45 <clusty> same as me living in montreal for 2 years was great

06:45 <clusty> never been skiing 5 months a year 2-3 days a week

06:45 <mweltin> Nice I was born in VT

06:46 <mweltin> used to go up to Montreal all the time.

06:46 <mweltin> love the botanical garden.

06:46 <clusty> you know what i am talking :D

06:46 <clusty> yeah

06:46 <clusty> had a yearly pass

06:46 <clusty> never been to VT cause i needed a visa :(

06:46 <mweltin> 7-12% beers

06:46 <clusty> been in california for a while

06:46 <clusty> lool

06:46 <mweltin> you didn't miss much.

06:47 <clusty> 7-12% beers starting from 18 legally

06:47 <clusty> 14 in practice

06:47 <clusty> :D

06:47 <mweltin> I worked for intel for a while and they would fly me to Santa Clara every other week.

06:47 <mweltin> never understood why.

06:47 <clusty> corporate spirit

06:47 <mweltin> I would just log in to my computer in OR.

06:47 <mweltin> I guess so.

06:47 <clusty> so this makes you like 35 or so?

06:48 <mweltin> the highlight of that was going to and In-out burger

06:48 <clusty> young enough to enhjoy diving

06:48 <clusty> loooool

06:48 <mweltin> 65 is young enough to enjoy diving

06:48 <clusty> i always thought the name was dirty :D

06:48 <clusty> in 'n out in clockwork orange means to rape some1

06:48 <clusty> :D

06:48 <mweltin> I heard about it watching "the big lebowski"

06:49 <mweltin> but they never show the place, I had no idea it was real.

06:49 <clusty> burgers are not bad

06:49 <clusty> but nothing beats tacos

06:49 <clusty> :D

06:49 <mweltin> and then some co-worker is like "lets go to in-out"

06:49 <mweltin> I about pooped myslef right there.

06:49 <clusty> i imagine

06:50 <clusty> so do you run boinc for the fun of it?

06:50 <clusty> or work related?

06:50 <Romulus> you know gmail will host your mail server is temporarily shut down Boinc and start it.... And monitor many functions at same time.......

06:50 <mweltin> fun

06:51 <mweltin> but it can be work at times.

06:51 <clusty> it started work and now is also fun :D

06:51 <mweltin> its a lot of fun

06:51 <mweltin> great people

06:51 <clusty> and screensavers aren't bad :D

06:52 <mweltin> yeah, I'd like to make one but I'm not much of a graphic artist and there are so many other things I'd like to do.

06:53 <clusty> closest i came to art is photography

06:53 <clusty> :D

06:53 <clusty> with heavy processing

06:54 <mweltin> Pov does a lot of image processing.

06:54 <clusty> cute

06:54 <mweltin> that I like, nothing like a good fourie transform.

06:55 <mweltin> or however you spell his name.

06:55 <clusty> for now boinc will do heavy neural nets traning

06:55 <clusty> fourier :D

06:55 <mweltin> my last big job was a neural network.

06:55 <clusty> i hate neural nets

06:56 <clusty> never liked statistical algos

06:56 <clusty> the neural code is done already

06:56 <mweltin> they are just another search algorithm

06:56 <mweltin>

06:57 <Romulus> Title: TGN - Public Diagnostic Platform (at

06:57 <clusty> :D

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06:58 <clusty> mweltin, you did it?

06:58 <Kathryn> Hi :)

06:59 <clusty> hey

06:59 <mweltin> yes

06:59 <mweltin> I didn't come up with the questions but I did the programing for it.

07:00 <mweltin> there is a whole admin section where you can use a GA to find optimal parameteres for the Neural Network.

07:00 <clusty> GA?

07:00 <mweltin> genetic algorithm

07:00 <clusty> ohh

07:00 <mweltin> took me over a year (working part time) to finish it.

07:00 <clusty> optinmal params like number of layers and such?

07:01 <mweltin> yes

07:01 <mweltin> layers, momentum, learning rate, number of PE per layer.

07:01 <mweltin> I think that was it.

07:02 <mweltin> its a standard feed forward NN

07:02 <mweltin> nothing fancy.

07:02 <clusty> concept is easy of NN

07:02 <clusty> practicallly i have idea to choose all those parameters

07:03 <clusty> #layers

07:03 <clusty> activation functions

07:03 <clusty> blahhh

07:03 <mweltin> oh yeah activation function was another parameter

07:04 <mweltin> but it was done on a layer basis not per node.

07:04 <clusty> what i did not like about NNs is that it seems a brute force approach

07:05 <clusty> whenever you are too lazy to do some proper modelling you get a one size-fits-all thing like NN's

07:05 <clusty> throw in all you know

07:05 <clusty> and keep fingers crossed that it will work

07:05 <mweltin> LOL

07:05 <mweltin> ypu

07:05 <mweltin> yup

07:05 <mweltin> and it only took you a few hours to figure me out.

07:06 <mweltin> take most people a lot longer.

07:06 <clusty> what can i say..

07:06 <clusty> i am sharp

07:06 <clusty> a hammer

07:06 <clusty> :D

07:06 <mweltin> sweet

07:09 <mweltin> OK I'm going to bed.

07:09 <mweltin> 1am

07:09 <mweltin> later

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07:56 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

07:56 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 4F / -16C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Isolated snow showers in the morning...then numerous snow showers late in the morning. Scattered snow showers in the afternoon. Areas of blowing snow in the late morning and afternoon. New snow accumulation around 1 inch. High 15 to 20. (2 more messages)

07:56 <wdsmia> &more

07:56 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. West wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to northwest 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Very cold. Areas of blowing snow in the evening. Scattered flurries in the evening. Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening. Wind chill readings 10 to 15 below.; Saturday - (1 more message)

07:56 <wdsmia> &more

07:56 <Romulus> wdsmia: Sunny. Very cold. High 5 to 10 above. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Blowing/Drifting Snow Advisory for Warren County in effect until 4:00 PM CST on January 18, 2008;

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08:33 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

08:33 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 34.5F / 1.4C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 30.47in / 1031.7hPa | Conditions: Light Freezing Fog | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy with patchy fog in the morning. Mostly cloudy late. Highs around 40. Light wind becoming northeast 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog in the evening. A slight chance of rain and flurries (1 more message)

08:33 <Tank_Master> &more

08:33 <Romulus> Tank_Master: after midnight. Lows 30 to 35. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Rain likely and a slight chance of flurries in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Highs around 40. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;

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09:08 <Sandtiger> &weather 47712

09:08 <Romulus> Sandtiger: Temperature: 22F / -6C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs around 40. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows around 20. Southwest winds around 10 mph in the evening shifting to the northwest after midnight.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 20s. Northwest (1 more message)

09:08 <Romulus> check out the window

09:09 * hawmps looks out, then goes back to w$#k..

09:09 <Sandtiger> that would mean i would have to get up from the computer

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09:21 <Acili> I wanted to use Seti@home - downloaded a file - installed it, ran the manager and set up an account. Then I dont know what I did, I closed it I guess.. but cannot open anything now.

09:21 <Acili> there is no menu, no icon... nothing

09:21 <Acili> the screensaver is not seti@home.

09:22 <Acili> im using fedora 8

09:23 <Kathryn> There's now a rpm for Fedora (works on my Fedora 7 box) if you're interested.

09:23 <Acili> yes I am

09:23 <Kathryn> GIve me a second to dig up the link.

09:24 <Kathryn>

09:24 <Romulus> Title: RPM Installation of BOINC client software (at

09:24 <Kathryn> Those are the instruction.  There's a link to the download site on that page.

09:25 <Kathryn> Only thing it doesn't do is add a short cut to your "start" menu (K menu in my case)

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09:25 <Acili> thanks

09:26 <Kathryn> No problem.  Let me know if you have issues.

09:30 <Acili> I am just downloading the newest:  boinc_client-5.10.29-1.i386.rpm  (date 05 jan 08) true?

09:31 <Kathryn> ummmm

09:31 <Kathryn> hold on

09:32 <Kathryn> No.  That one has a glibc incompatability.  I'm not sure why Eric left it on the download page.

09:32 <Kathryn> USe boinc_client-5.10.21-18.i386.rpm 29-Dec-2007 12:30  5.1M

09:32 <Kathryn> That

09:32 <Kathryn> That's the one I hvae running.

09:33 <Kathryn> Lots of comments in this thread

09:33 <Kathryn>

09:33 <Romulus> <> (at

09:34 <Acili> yup, the first one didnt work - glibc incompatibility as you said :)

09:34 <Kathryn> Yeah.  I was the first one to try that version out.  I sent Eric a boatload of error messages and stuff for him to give me that one line explanation.

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09:37 <Acili> Kathryn: it installed - what now? :$ (stupid question maybe)

09:37 <Kathryn> not a stupid question.

09:37 <Kathryn> Open up a terminal

09:37 <Acili> yes - switch to root?

09:37 <Kathryn> nope.

09:37 <Kathryn> just type `boincmgr` and see if connects.

09:37 <Acili> ok

09:38 <Kathryn> at least I think the rpm will automatically start boinc....

09:38 <Kathryn> been a few weeks since I last installed one.

09:38 <Acili> im trying to connect with project now - choose seti@home

09:38 <Acili> its "communicating with project"

09:38 <Kathryn> yay!

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09:38 <Kathryn> you're good to go then

09:39 <Kathryn> (if seti's servers are actually up)

09:39 <Acili> project temporarily unavailable? :)

09:39 <Kathryn> lol

09:39 <Acili> can you confirm that? :)

09:39 <Kathryn> I was trying to read the Seti boards a few hours ago and they were slower than honey in Cleveland in the middle of winter :)

09:40 <Kathryn> try connecting to Einstein.  If that works, then you can use it as a backup for when Seti's having issues.

09:42 <Acili> ok. connected to einstein, set up a new account. Got redirected to entered info etc.

09:42 <Acili> so its running now? :$

09:44 <Kathryn> Are you looking at the simple view (a rectangle with a picture in the middle-ish) or the advanced view (tabs at the top)

09:44 <Acili> the advanced view

09:44 <Kathryn> switch over to the tasks tab

09:44 <Kathryn> what does it say?

09:45 <Acili> there is a project: einstein@home

09:45 <Acili> I can show graphics, suspend, resume etc - (think it works)

09:45 <Kathryn> you should see the cpu time counting up.

09:45 <Kathryn> The graphics probably won't work.

09:45 <Kathryn> Unless you want a work around :)

09:46 <Acili> yeah the cpu time counts

09:46 <Kathryn> perfect.

09:46 <Kathryn> it's working then

09:46 <Acili> I have a graphic too - which Im now trying to shut down :)

09:47 <Kathryn> oh wow.  Did Eric get the xhost working?  Cool.

09:47 <Kathryn> Must be the beta build of the E@H science app I'm running.

09:47 <Kathryn> You should (in theory) be able to close it with the red x in the window.

09:48 <Kathryn> With the rpm, BOINC will start automatically on boot.

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09:48 <Acili> ou, couldnt see any red x - but guess'ed its location and it closed :)

09:48 <Kathryn> If you need to stop it, as root do /etc/init.d boinc stop

09:49 <Kathryn> and if you need to start it as root, /etc/init.d/boinc start

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09:49 <Kathryn> darn it.  first one should be /etc/init.d/boinc stop

09:49 <Acili> ok - thanks

09:50 <Kathryn> Out of curiosity, how did you install the rpm?  Just doubled clicked it?

09:50 <Acili> (now just waiting for the seti servers to be up and running)

09:50 <Kathryn> Or did you do it through the terminal?

09:50 <Kathryn> (you could be waiting a while)

09:50 <Acili> I used "the software installer"

09:50 <Kathryn> cool

09:50 <Acili> right clicked

09:50 <Acili> (ok)

09:50 <Kathryn> Glad that worked.

09:50 <Romulus> coudl you post the link to the client and server 2008

09:51 <Kathryn> Oh, one more question, Gnome or KDE or something else?

09:51 <Acili> im using gnome

09:52 <Kathryn> Cool.  I'll let Eric know that too.

09:52 <Acili> you say that BOINC should start up when I reboot?

09:52 <Kathryn> Yuppers

09:52 <Acili> what if I close it now?

09:52 <Kathryn> The manager?

09:52 <Acili> yes

09:52 <Acili> how can I then start it up

09:52 <Kathryn> Nothing.  BOINC will keep on going in the background.

09:52 <Acili> ow great

09:52 <Acili> nice thanks

09:52 <Kathryn> If you want to leave the manager open but get rid of that terminal window,

09:53 <Kathryn> start it as `boincmgr &`

09:53 <Acili> yes

09:53 <Kathryn> Then you can close the terminal window and the manager won't disappear.

09:53 <Kathryn> There should be a way to add the manager into your start menu.  I have no idea what that would be as I use KDE.

09:53 <Acili> (I think I can do that :) )

09:54 <Kathryn> Awesome

09:54 <Acili> ls

09:54 <Acili> ups sorry :)

09:54 <Kathryn> wrong window??  ;)\

09:54 <Acili> yes :d

09:54 <Kathryn> nah.  I've never done that..............

09:54 <Acili> hahah

09:55 <Kathryn> So the home directory for boinc is /var/lib/boinc

09:55 <Kathryn> Your logs are in there too.

09:56 <Kathryn> boinc.log for what's in the message tab and error.log for other stuff (mainly core client crashing)

09:56 <Kathryn> the rpm has a built in log rotation script.

09:56 <Kathryn> I wrote it, but I couldn't tell you the details because it's a revised version of the one I use.

09:57 <Acili> yes the home directory is what you said

09:57 <Acili> there is a log to

09:57 <Acili> im trying to attach a new project (seti) - but seems like we must wait (loong)

09:58 <Kathryn> lol

09:58 <Kathryn> I gave up on Seti ages ago.

09:58 <Kathryn> My pet projects (at the moment) are Einstein and PrimeGrid

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10:00 <Acili> I used to run seti for ages ago, stopped though.. I couldnt even find my account :(

10:00 <Acili> had to create a new one

10:00 <Acili> just wanna see - if anyone has found anything :)

10:01 <Kathryn> Heh...  some tv station in Berkeley had some poor reporting the other day.  They said something was found.  Ummmm... no.  Details somewhere on the Seti boards (if they're actually up).

10:01 <PriitM> ... uranium ore is being sold on amazon.

10:02 <Acili> (I have a little problem. When I'm in the /var/lib/boinc directory and try to boincmgr it says "authorization failed connecting to running client. Make sure you start this program in the same directory as the client)

10:02 <Acili> it seems boinc is not installed there anyway

10:02 <Kathryn> what's in /var/lib/boinc?

10:02 <Kathryn> let me try, hold on

10:02 <Kathryn> hmmm... works for me

10:03 <Kathryn> can you do a ls of /var/lib/boinc

10:03 <Acili> it works for me in /home/user/download/BOINC

10:03 <Kathryn> strange..........

10:03 <Acili> in /var/lib/boinc  there is locale folder

10:04 <Kathryn> i wonder if not cleaning up the first install has created problems.....

10:04 <Kathryn> (blush...  i'm still new at this)

10:04 <Acili> then these: boinc.log, ca-bundle.crt, client_state.xml, error.log, gui_rpc_auth.cfg, lockfile, time_stats_log

10:04 <Kathryn> let's start from scratch (very very very sorry)

10:05 <Kathryn> uninstall the rpm

10:05 <Kathryn> you should be able to drag the directory with your old install to the trash

10:05 <Acili> no dont be sorry - its me, I dont think I have uninstalled the previous installation

10:05 <Kathryn> then reinstall the rpm

10:05 <Acili> yeps, hold on

10:06 <Kathryn> k

10:07 <Acili> (oh my god Kohlschreiber won against RoddicK in AU open)

10:07 <sethy_> a little sethy is home from college

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10:10 <Acili> Kathryn: did every step, has now re-installed the rpm

10:10 <Kathryn> ok.  you'll need to start the manager like you did before

10:10 <Acili> when I in console type boincmgr  It give me the same message: "make sure you start this program in the same directory as the client".

10:11 <Kathryn> OK.  I know what's screwing up.

10:11 <Kathryn> In /var/lib/boinc there's a file called gui_rpc_auth.cfg

10:11 <Acili> yes

10:11 <Kathryn> so do cat gui_rpc_auth.cfg

10:11 <Kathryn> that's kind of like the password.

10:12 <Kathryn> You can do two things.

10:12 <Kathryn> Well three

10:12 <Kathryn> 1.  make the same file in whatever directory you're in when you open up th eterminal

10:12 <Kathryn> (~/kathryn for me)

10:12 <Acili> copy it?

10:13 <Kathryn> You can or you can just echo the contents to a file with that name

10:13 <Kathryn> 2.  Make a symlink to that file

10:13 <Kathryn> 3.  When you start the manager, go to the advanced menu and choose select computer

10:14 <Kathryn> put in localhost and the password

10:14 <Kathryn> I use #2

10:14 <Kathryn> #1 will work fine

10:14 <Kathryn> #3 is a pain

10:14 <Acili> ill use 2

10:14 <hawmps> btw.. welcome, Kathryn

10:14 <Acili> :)

10:14 <Kathryn> thanks

10:14 <hawmps> and Acili

10:15 <Acili> thanks

10:15 <Kathryn> I know pov hangs out here all the time and I figured I'd drop in too.

10:15 <Romulus> waves too..

10:15 <Kathryn> lol

10:16 <desti> \o/

10:16 <Kathryn> You might have to chmod /var/lib/boinc so it's "executable"

10:17 <Acili> Kathryn: is this correct? ln -s /etc/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg ~/  (blush)

10:18 <Kathryn> I think it should be /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg

10:18 <Kathryn> (and I'm such an idiot when it comes to symlinks...  you should have seen the mess when I was trying to get java working with FF)

10:20 <hawmps> there's no place like

10:20 <Kathryn> lol

10:20 <Acili> yes! symlink succesfully created.

10:20 <Kathryn> woo hoo

10:20 <hawmps> click your ruby mouse keys 3 times..

10:20 <Acili> now boincmgr should work?

10:21 <Kathryn> in theory :)

10:21 <hawmps> what distro are you using?

10:21 <Acili> same output: Make sure you start this program in the same directory as the client

10:21 <Kathryn> *bangs head*

10:21 <Kathryn> can you start it from /var/lib/boinc?

10:21 <hawmps> because there is an easier way...

10:22 <hawmps> much easier, even...

10:22 <Kathryn> we're going through the rpm on Fedora

10:22 <Acili> oh no cannot start it in /var/lib/boinc either

10:22 <Kathryn> I wonder if boinc is even running

10:22 <Kathryn> as root /etc/init.d/boinc status

10:22 <hawmps> ok - rpm -e the fedora rpm...

10:23 <hawmps> download this:

10:23 <hawmps> &linux_graphics

10:23 <Romulus> hawmps: "linux_graphics" could be

10:23 <hawmps> extract to it's own dir under /opt

10:23 <Acili> BOINC is stopped but lockfile(s) exist.

10:23 <Kathryn> do /etc/init.d/boinc stop

10:23 <Kathryn> then /etc/init.d/boinc start

10:23 <hawmps> run ./run_manager

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10:24 <hawmps> th ubuntu version works fine in fedora

10:24 <Acili> The boinc client requires initialization, Starting boinc client as daemon. ok

10:24 <Kathryn> now try starting the manager

10:25 <hawmps> the rpm packages really stink up things for boinc...

10:25 <Acili> "make sure you start... bla bla bla" :(

10:25 <Acili> << hangs his head in shame

10:25 <Kathryn> Well...  I've reached the limits of my knowledge :(

10:25 <Kathryn> sorry

10:25 <Acili> should i uninstall it again maybe?

10:25 <Kathryn> maybe you're better off doing what hawmps is saying

10:26 <hawmps> Hello???

10:26 <Acili> ok. (hawmps I read you)

10:26 <Acili> hold on

10:26 <hawmps> follow my instructions above..

10:26 <Acili> yep

10:27 <hawmps> use rpm -e to erase all of the boinc rpm stuff - clean start-over

10:29 <Acili> hmmm weirdd!

10:29 <Acili> rpm -e boinc_client.rpm gives: error: package boinc_client-5.10.21-18.i386.rpm is not installed

10:29 <hawmps> the download is a simple .sh script that extracts the files into one dir called /BOINC

10:29 <Acili> but it IS installed!

10:29 <Acili> (let me remove it using the add/remove software

10:31 <hawmps> try rpm -rebuilddb

10:31 <Acili> boinc removed now

10:31 <hawmps> ok - you will need a console to do some of this..

10:32 <Acili> the sript has been downloaded

10:32 <Acili> it on my desktop

10:32 <hawmps> move it to /opt

10:32 <Acili>

10:33 <hawmps> and run  sh

10:33 <Acili> moved

10:33 <hawmps> you will then have /opt/BOINC

10:33 <Acili> ls

10:33 <Acili> (sorry

10:33 <Acili> yes

10:33 <Acili> now cd BOINC

10:34 <hawmps> cd to /BOINC

10:34 <Acili> and sh run_manager

10:34 <hawmps> NO

10:34 <Acili> ./run_manager

10:34 <hawmps> click on your desktop and click "new link to application"

10:35 <Acili> ummm "create folder", "create launcher", "create document"?

10:36 <hawmps> create new link to application

10:36 <hawmps> ok - gnome?

10:36 <Acili> yes gnome

10:36 <Acili> I havent run the manager yet? - correct?

10:36 <hawmps> then it's create launcher

10:36 <hawmps> no - not run yet

10:37 <Acili> ok

10:37 <hawmps> (I use kde)

10:37 <Acili> ok launcher type is "application"

10:37 <hawmps> yes

10:37 <Acili> name should be BOINC?

10:37 <Acili> command should be: /opt/BOINC/boincmgr ?

10:37 <hawmps> no.. it should be /opt/BOINC/eun_manager

10:37 <hawmps> no.. it should be /opt/BOINC/run_manager

10:37 <hawmps> that is..

10:38 <hawmps> select the icon from the list in that dir also...

10:39 <Acili> got it

10:39 <hawmps> remember to click the 'app' as executable

10:39 <hawmps> and the working dir as /opt/BOINC

10:39 <hawmps> save all that and then double click the icon

10:40 <Acili> well there are 3 fields. Name, Command and Comment.

10:40 <hawmps> manager should fire right up

10:40 <Acili> I gave it the name BOINC. The command is /opt/BOINC/run-manager and no comment

10:41 <Acili> and I have selected the proper icon - I think we're good to go

10:41 <hawmps> oh.. command is where /opt/BOINC/run_manager goes

10:41 <Acili> yes

10:41 <hawmps> Name is the title under the icon on the desktop

10:42 <hawmps> if your permissions are all set, it should fire right up

10:43 <Acili> yes the manager started up

10:43 <Acili> but there is still a connection error

10:43 <hawmps> exact error message?

10:43 <Acili> "authorization failed connecting to running client. Make sure you start this program in the same directory as the client"

10:44 <Acili> then I just press the "ok" button

10:44 <Acili> the BOINC manager window is now still open

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10:44 <Acili> but in the lower right - its disconnected.

10:44 <hawmps> ok, use your text editor and open run_manager

10:44 <hawmps> close it.

10:45 <Acili> opened

10:45 <Acili> it reads this: cd "/opt/BOINC" && exec ./boincmgr $@

10:46 <BadBarbarian> mornin Hawmps

10:47 <quail> morning all

10:48 <Acili> hawmps: any idea?

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10:52 <Kathryn> Hiya zombie

10:53 <zombie67> hi kathryn!

10:53 <Kathryn> how's life treating you

10:53 <zombie67> i think this is the first time i have seen you here.

10:53 <zombie67> good.

10:53 <zombie67> you?

10:53 <Kathryn> I popped in once before.  Got flamed by somebody

10:54 <Kathryn> I'm having a sort of rough night and I didn't want to be "alone".

10:54 <Kathryn> So where better to hang out than in #boinc?

10:54 <zombie67> good choice

10:54 <Romulus> you're good to go to w@#%

10:54 <zombie67> I have a con-call in a few minutes.  so don't think i'm ignoring you.

10:55 <zombie67> you are in korea, right?

10:55 <Kathryn> yeah

10:56 <zombie67> superlink finally re-released an osx/intel app, and it doesn't work.

10:56 <Kathryn> I saw.

10:57 <zombie67> no response from the staff, which is odd

10:57 <Kathryn> Sabbath for them?

10:57 <zombie67> dunno

10:57 <zombie67> it is odd to release an app just before you go on leave...

10:57 <Kathryn> I thought that was sop for BOINC projects :)

11:06 <Acili> Kathryn: I know I have bother you a lot but just a question. When I do a .rpm installation of BOINC. Where does it get "installed"?

11:06 <Acili> 'bothered

11:07 <Kathryn> It should create a new user boinc with the home directory as /var/lib/boinc

11:07 <hawmps> did you get it running?

11:07 <Romulus> i wonder what it was...

11:07 <Acili> no hawmps. You didnt tell me what to do after opening the run_manager file :(

11:07 <hawmps> ah.. ok.. it's the permissions...

11:08 <hawmps> try opening a console and running ./run_manager from there, and note any errors

11:09 <hawmps> you're running as 'some user', right (not root)

11:09 <Acili> yes

11:09 <hawmps> the /opt/BOINC dir has exec permissions on for your user?

11:10 <Acili> yes I think

11:10 <Acili> since you didnt tell me what to do next - I removed everything :)

11:10 <Acili> hold on

11:10 <hawmps> double check that..

11:12 <hawmps> sorry.. with work, I'm in and out during the day..

11:14 <Acili> no, the /opt/BOINC directory does NOT have permissions for me.

11:14 <Acili> thats why!

11:14 <hawmps> seems you had manager running, but it didn't kick up boinc proper for you..

11:15 <Acili> eeehm how is it that I change user permissions for /opt/BOINC ?

11:15 <hawmps> BTW.. if you get it running this way, it makes future upgrades of the client much, much easier...

11:16 <hawmps> chmod +x /opt/BOINC

11:16 <Acili> im confused now :(   I dont know whether I have user permissions to /opt/boinc or not

11:16 <Acili> when I run the manager it gives the same answer, both as root and as user

11:17 <hawmps> the attributes s/b rwx_rw_rw or something like that

11:17 <hawmps> is boinc itself set to executable?

11:18 <Acili> yes in the launcher when I double click the "allow executing file as program" box is checked

11:18 <Acili> sorry not "double click"... right click

11:19 <Acili> its ok hawmps

11:19 <Acili> ill look into it later :(

11:20 <Acili> by by all

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11:21 <hawmps> mt brain is not firmly attached today..

11:21 <Kathryn> mine is never firmly attached

11:22 <hawmps> welcome to the club..

11:22 <hawmps> where are you located, K?

11:22 <Kathryn> currently South Korea

11:23 <hawmps> military?

11:23 <Kathryn> english teacher :)

11:23 <hawmps> good for you..

11:23 <Kathryn> thanks

11:25 <hawmps> 1:25 am ???!!!???

11:25 <Kathryn> yeah

11:25 <Kathryn> I had sort of a bad day and I can't sleep

11:25 <hawmps> ouchies..

11:26 <Kathryn> something like that

11:26 <Kathryn> so i've been hanging out in here and

11:26 <Kathryn> but it's been really quiet over there.

11:26 <hawmps> welcome to our little nutball channel

11:26 <Kathryn> I'm well aware of how nutty the folks are here.

11:27 <Kathryn> :)

11:27 <hawmps> ok

11:27 <Kathryn> Where are you?

11:27 <hawmps> upstate NY

11:28 <Kathryn> Not to far from my home.  I hail from NE Ohio

11:28 <hawmps> good enough..

11:28 <hawmps> bbiab..

11:28 <Kathryn> k

11:29 <zombie67> lot more activity here in the evenings (US times)

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11:30 <Kathryn> I'm sure.  I'm 12+ hours off from most of you guys.

11:37 <hawmps> you'd be on with quail down in Adelaide

11:38 <Romulus> I just not in the GUI

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11:40 <Romulus> winds up to boot the alter-sethy's

11:41 <Romulus> thinks.... or not

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12:03 <Kathryn> Bedtime.  Night all.

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12:26 <Acili> maybe a stupid question, but can anyone tell me how to make sure boinc is uninstalled?

12:28 <desti> find / -name boinc*

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12:40 <Tank_Master> even if BOINC is uninstalled, it leave meny files behind

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12:41 <Acili> I think its completely uninstalled now

12:41 <Tank_Master> good

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12:42 <Acili> I need to change permission so I as user can access the /opt folder. How do I do that?

12:42 <Acili> what do I write in console?

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12:45 <desti> don't change the permissions of /opt

12:45 <desti> put it in a subdir if other permissions are required

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13:01 <Acili> why DO I keep getting this message when I run the BOINC manager :((( "Authorization failed connecting to running client. Make sure you start this program in the same directory as the client".

13:02 <Acili> what is the directory of the client?

13:02 <Acili> :(

13:07 <FauxFaux> Acili: Debian?

13:07 <hawmps> fedora, iirc

13:07 <Acili> FauxFaux: Fedora 8

13:08 <Acili> I have tried everything

13:08 <FauxFaux> Bah, I thought other distros might suck less. Try starting it from "/var/lib/boinc-client", or wheverever your distro puts files like "remote_hosts.cfg"

13:09 <hawmps> FC8 - data execution protection?

13:09 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

13:09 <Tank_Master> &more

13:09 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

13:09 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 37.5F / 3.1C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs around 40. Light wind becoming north 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog. Lows 30 to 35. Light wind.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain and flurries (1 more message)

13:09 <Tank_Master> &more

13:09 <Romulus> Tank_Master: in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. No snow accumulation. Highs around 40. Southwest wind 10 mph.;

13:14 <Acili> no, starting from /var/lib gives also the same error messages

13:14 <Acili> no matter what I do its the same error message

13:14 <Acili> I can do everything as root - its the same

13:15 <Acili> I evet changed permission

13:15 <Acili> boinc sucks :)

13:16 <Acili> I do an rpm installation instead: but also there when I do "boincmgr" I get the same error message

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13:18 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo

13:19 <yoyo[RKN]> yo

13:19 <Tank_Master> hows it goin?

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13:24 <zombie67> hi yoyo

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14:02 <yoyo[RKN]> Tank_Master: ?

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14:26 <hawmps> I wonder if Ac had selinux installed and turned on...

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14:53 <MTughan_> 'lo Doug

14:53 <MTughan_> School's 'bout over though, so I g2g.

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14:54 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

14:55 <yoyo[RKN]> someone from Seti.USA here?

15:07 <wdsmia_> Brrr its cold out there

15:07 <efc> &weather 31088

15:07 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 52F / 11C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: Variable | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. Light and variable winds.; Tonight - A chance of rain in the evening...then rain after midnight. Lows in the upper 30s. North winds up to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Saturday - Rain and snow (1 more message)

15:08 <wdsmia_> &weather 50319

15:08 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 9F / -13C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 25mph / 41km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy. Very cold. Patchy blowing snow through the day. High around 15. Temperature steady or slowly falling through late afternoon. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 35 mph. Wind chill readings around 10 below.; (1 more message)

15:08 <wdsmia_> &more

15:08 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Tonight - Partly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Areas of blowing snow in the evening. Scattered flurries in the evening. Low 5 to 10 below. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Wind chill readings around 15 below.; Saturday - Sunny. Very cold. High 5 to 10 above. West wind 5 to 10 mph.;

15:08 <efc> You win

15:09 <efc> " Bitterly cold. " in case you couldn't tell

15:09 <efc> &zip 50319

15:09 <Romulus> efc: Are you daft?

15:09 <wdsmia_> at 52F I think you win

15:09 <wdsmia_> &zipinfo 50319

15:09 <Romulus> wdsmia_: City: Des Moines; State: IA; County: Polk; Area Code: 515; Time Zone: CST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 41.5929 (North); Longitude: 93.6001 (West)

15:10 <efc> &weather yakutsk

15:10 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -35°F / -37°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.54in / 1034hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 7km/h | Updated: 4:00 AM YAKT; Overcast. High:-50 F. / -46 C.; Chance of Freezing Rain. Low:-56 F. / -49 C.; Chance of Freezing Rain. High:-38 F. / -39 C.; Overcast. Low:-49 F. / -45 C.; Chance of Freezing Rain. High:-38 F. / -39 C.; Overcast. (1 more message)

15:11 <efc> balmy

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15:23 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

15:23 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 34F / 1C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. Highs around 30 on the North Rim to around 46 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 13 on the North Rim to around 23 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Saturday - Partly cloudy. Highs (1 more message)

15:23 <BadBarbarian> &more

15:23 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: around 37 on the North Rim to around 53 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

15:24 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

15:24 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 37.0F / 2.8C | Humidity: 38% | Pressure: 23.62in / 799.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 2.7mph / 4.3km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. Highs 30 to 36. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 9 to 15. Light winds.; Saturday - Not as cold. Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 40. Light winds.;

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16:00 <FreeLarry58> howdy mweltin

16:00 <FreeLarry58> and all

16:01 <Tank_Master> hiya fl

16:02 <mweltin> hey

16:02 <FreeLarry58> i see that tsp almost all up

16:03 <FreeLarry58> i still recieve a http internal error when trying to report upnit

16:03 <mweltin> almost

16:04 <mweltin> I have to rebuild the supporting apps like validators and assimilators

16:04 <mweltin> and some other libs

16:04 <FreeLarry58> ahh lots to do then

16:04 <mweltin> well shouldn't be too bad but I'm not sure honestly.

16:05 <FreeLarry58> at least im not seeing your directory listing when i go to home page ;) like last night

16:06 <mweltin> LOL

16:06 <mweltin> yeah that is a funny thing, on the boinc pages it says to remove Indices from the apache config

16:06 * CoderForLife stumbles and falls into the room, knocking over the lamp

16:06 <mweltin> but the httpd.conf stuff they add has Indexes in it.

16:07 <mweltin> not sure what that is all about.

16:07 <CoderForLife> oh, hi

16:07 <mweltin> I may write the list about it.

16:07 * FreeLarry58 catches lamp so CoderForLife wife wont use broken pieces on CoderForLife

16:07 <mweltin> cfl!

16:07 <CoderForLife> Thanks Larry!

16:07 * FreeLarry58 backs away

16:07 <mweltin> FreeLarry, who do you think put the lamp in his way? (wife?)

16:08 <CoderForLife> I meant LAMP, of course

16:08 <CoderForLife> Linux Apache MySQL PHP

16:08 <mweltin> nice combo

16:08 <FreeLarry58> ohh

16:08 <FreeLarry58> was thinking of the little helo that the navy calls LAMP

16:09 <CoderForLife> My nice, blonde-haired lady dentist says hi

16:09 * FreeLarry58 covers mouth and runs away

16:09 <mweltin> you guys are strange when you first get up.

16:10 <FreeLarry58> lol mweltin to many life experiences

16:10 <CoderForLife> get up?  like get up out of the dentist chair?

16:11 <Tank_Master> kinda hard when she's on top

16:11 <mweltin> I remember getting my wisdom teeth out.  I felt GREAT.

16:11 <Tank_Master> LOL

16:11 <mweltin> not sure what they used to knock me out with , but I remember asking the nurse, "lets do that again".

16:11 * Tank_Master makes note that mweltin no longer has any wisdom

16:11 <mweltin> LOL

16:12 <mweltin> crap

16:12 <Tank_Master> :D

16:12 <mweltin> my slackware cd's md5sums don't match the website I downloaded them from.

16:12 <Tank_Master> uh oh

16:12 <mweltin> doesn't matter if you run md5 from windows or linux does it?

16:12 <CoderForLife> bad news

16:13 <Tank_Master> no

16:13 <mweltin> I hope it does but that would make it pointless

16:13 <CoderForLife> md5 wouldn't be much of a hash if it got different answers per platform

16:13 <mweltin> yeah

16:13 <mweltin> a man can dream

16:13 <Tank_Master> the hole point og checksum is just to insure the binaries are the same

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16:14 <mweltin> yes yes I have that much wisdom, can't a guy make a joke?

16:14 * CoderForLife checks out mweltin with the WisdoMeter

16:14 * CoderForLife bangs on the side of the device

16:15 <mweltin> damm it Jim I'm a Doctor

16:15 <CoderForLife> what do negative readings mean?

16:15 <CoderForLife> oops

16:15 <Tank_Master> so, you want to do some surgery on a torpedo?

16:15 * CoderForLife turns the meter around

16:15 <mweltin> que

16:16 <Tank_Master> you dont rememebr that?

16:16 <CoderForLife> you check out OK, you're not a Cylon at all - look... all very bright green

16:16 <mweltin> I usually pay 9.95 a min for that kind of talk.

16:16 <Tank_Master> WTF?

16:17 <Tank_Master> 9.95 for startrek talk?

16:17 <CoderForLife> World Traffic Federation?

16:17 <Romulus> I fit 100k @ superlink

16:17 <CoderForLife> Um... Battlestar Galactica talk

16:17 <Tank_Master> thats great rommie, now stfu

16:17 <mweltin> thats only 5.95 a min

16:17 <mweltin> Battelstar never took off.

16:17 <Tank_Master> theres no doctor named jim on BSG

16:18 <Tank_Master> if it never took off, why is it still running?

16:18 <CoderForLife> the new series is very popular

16:18 <Tank_Master> great effects

16:18 <mweltin> I guess the new one did

16:18 <mweltin> I never saw it.

16:18 <CoderForLife> last season starts in March

16:18 <Tank_Master> cant wait

16:18 <mweltin> I have been on the no TV thing for a while

16:18 <CoderForLife> you have not lived then, mweltin

16:18 <Tank_Master> hehe

16:19 <CoderForLife> download it or get the DVDs

16:19 <CoderForLife> pretty frakin' awesome

16:19 <mweltin> hahah

16:19 <mweltin> you can rent them from the local vid store

16:20 <mweltin> I may do that now that the GF is off island.

16:20 <Tank_Master> I downloaded the entier origonal series

16:21 <mweltin> how nice for you

16:21 <CoderForLife> what's the linux command to inspect incoming TCP requests?

16:21 <mweltin> we all know my dl ability

16:21 <mweltin> I can't even watch youtube

16:21 <Tank_Master> lol

16:21 <Tank_Master> man

16:21 <CoderForLife> Someone from China is ttrying to hack my box

16:21 <mweltin> cfl I don't know but I would like to

16:21 <CoderForLife> I need to resolve a real IP address

16:21 <Tank_Master> I know an easy fix to prevent a hack

16:22 <Tank_Master> unplug it

16:22 <mweltin> hahaha

16:22 <mweltin> the only safe computer is one that is off

16:22 <Tank_Master> and in a lava pit

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16:23 <CoderForLife> you around, xcamel?

16:24 <mweltin> seriously, cfl let me know what you find out.

16:24 <CoderForLife> I forget

16:25 * CoderForLife rattles his brain

16:26 * Tank_Master hears rocks rolling around

16:33 <CoderForLife> well the answer to my question was:  /usr/sbin/tcpdump -vv | grep ftp

16:34 <CoderForLife> with the attacks from China, the address shown in the log of can't be found in DNS, yet my server is responding to it

16:35 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmm whats with the ftp

16:35 <mweltin> is that the port he is working on?

16:35 <CoderForLife> his port is 48709

16:36 <CoderForLife> mine of course is FTP

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16:39 <mweltin> so what kind of attack is it

16:39 <CoderForLife> there's something going on here that I don't understand

16:40 <mweltin> is he just knocking at your door looking for a way in?

16:40 <CoderForLife> the usual kind - attempting to log into FTP using a user ID and password - most typically "Administrator" (assuming I'm a Windows box)

16:41 <CoderForLife> other times they run through a gamut of likely user names and trying passwords

16:41 <CoderForLife> I dropped the FTP service for a little while here

16:41 <CoderForLife> again, I should be able to resolve an IP address that I can put into iptables to block them

16:43 * CoderForLife sighs

16:43 <mweltin> how does IP spoofing work.  I heard it was easy, and if that is what he is doing won't blocking him in iptables be worthless?

16:43 <CoderForLife> a mystery left yet again for another day

16:43 <mweltin> I'm very interested in this as I'm tyring to work on my admin skills.

16:44 <CoderForLife> I am in the process of moving my websites and stuff over to my backup server so I can take my main one offline for some RAID maintenance

16:45 <CoderForLife> I should be able to get things moved here in a couple more hours work (hopefully)

16:45 <CoderForLife> then I can pop the hood on my big box and switch things around, then install F8

16:45 <CoderForLife> and then move everything back

16:45 <CoderForLife> and then get back to Coding

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17:15 <Soul_keeper> hmmmm, so how many 2gram tea bags would one need to prepair a 55 gallon drum ?

17:16 <MTughan> rofl

17:16 <xcamel> a fortnight of them

17:17 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 55 tons to grams] / 2

17:17 <Romulus> MTughan: 24947580.35

17:17 <MTughan> rofl

17:17 <xcamel> or 3 furlongs

17:17 <MTughan> 25 million.

17:17 <Soul_keeper> i've been drinking tea constantly, like a cup every half hour all day ...

17:17 <Soul_keeper> cept when i'm at work, then i drink nothing

17:17 <MTughan> Crap, I did 55 tons...

17:17 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 55 gallons to grams] / 2

17:17 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: unit categories did not match

17:18 <MTughan> How much tea does one bag make?

17:18 <Soul_keeper> maybe 2 cups at the most

17:18 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 55 gallons to cups] / 2

17:18 <Romulus> MTughan: 440

17:18 <MTughan> There you go.

17:18 <Soul_keeper> :)

17:19 <MTughan> Seems much better than 25 million. xD

17:19 <Soul_keeper> so 1 dollar gets me about 20 bags at the 99 cent store ...

17:19 <MTughan> &math calc 440 / 20

17:19 <Romulus> MTughan: 22

17:19 <MTughan> $22.

17:19 <Soul_keeper> sweet

17:20 <Soul_keeper> try buying a 55 gallon drum of pepsi for that price ...

17:20 <MTughan> Planning on drinking 55 gallons of tea? xD

17:20 <MTughan> That's also a lot of water though.

17:20 <MTughan> And that's not free.

17:20 <xcamel> so it's not 3 furlongs?

17:20 <MTughan> &math convert 3 furlongs to gallons

17:20 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: unit categories did not match

17:21 <Soul_keeper> well let's see, you're supposed to drink what half a gallon of water a day or something ?

17:21 <MTughan> There's your answer.

17:21 <xcamel> /sarc

17:21 <MTughan> Half a gallon a day? I smash that...

17:21 <MTughan> Oh, maybe not...

17:21 <MTughan> About 2 litres...

17:21 <MTughan> That's probably about right actually.

17:21 <Soul_keeper> probably over 1 gallon easily i'd think, if that's all you were drinking

17:22 <Soul_keeper> so a 55 gallon drum would be like a month's supply maybe ...

17:22 <MTughan> Even at a gallon a day, that's two months.

17:22 <MTughan> Half a gallon a day, 4 months.

17:23 <Soul_keeper> well i only got about 100 tea bags anyways ... i drank the other 100 already

17:23 <MTughan> lol

17:24 <Soul_keeper> i should start taking it to work in a thermal

17:24 <Soul_keeper> like a half gallon sized one

17:24 <Soul_keeper> i could drink my tea and smoke my pipe tobacco like no american

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17:36 <MTughan> &alias add damn_pointers echo

17:36 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

17:36 <MTughan> :D

17:37 <MTughan> It's rather useless, but just really cool...

17:39 <Soul_keeper> heh

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17:44 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

17:44 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

17:47 <Rookie_69> &weather yhz

17:47 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.53in / 1000hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 38mph / 61km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM AST; Tonight - Rain ending this evening then clearing. Amount 10 mm(0.4 in). Fog patches dissipating this evening. Wind southeast 60 km/h (37 mph) gusting to 100 km/h (62 mph) becoming southwest 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 60 km/h (37 mph) (1 more message)

17:47 <xcamel> still trying to hammer those 'ron paulians' back into the stone age...

17:47 <Rookie_69> &more

17:47 <Romulus> Rookie_69: this evening then west 20 km/h (12 mph) overnight. Low -4C(24F).; Saturday - A mix of sun and cloud. 40 percent chance of flurries in the afternoon. Wind west 20 km/h (12 mph). High 0C(32F). Saturday night flurries. Amount 2 cm(0.8 in). Wind southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light near midnight. Low -4C(24F).; Sunday - Flurries. Windy. High -3C(26F).;

17:48 <xcamel> sounds like a nice day but for the fog..

17:48 <Rookie_69> Rain is hammering on the door, but I won't open it.

17:49 <Rookie_69> Nasty little cold bugs crawled up my nose and had babies :-(

17:50 <xcamel> that stinks..

17:50 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:50 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:50 <Rookie_69> *lo, Doug.

17:50 <wdsmia> *lo Jay, Glenn

17:51 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

17:51 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 7F / -14C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Low 5 to 10 below. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill readings around 15 below.; Saturday - Sunny. Bitterly cold. High zero to 5 above. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy until early (1 more message)

17:51 <wdsmia> &more

17:51 <Romulus> wdsmia: morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Very cold. Low 5 to 10 below. West wind around 5 mph.; Wind Chill Advisory for Polk County in effect until 11:00 AM CST on January 19, 2008;

17:51 <xcamel> I accidentally hit the fanis on kahuna with canned air and got 2 lungs full of bird dander last night

17:52 <Rookie_69> Lol. Oops.

17:52 <wdsmia> lol been there done that

17:52 <xcamel> still paying for that one after the 2 hour histamine attack

17:52 <xcamel> ie: drowning in pheghm

17:52 <Rookie_69> Even better...

17:53 <xcamel> I feel like I got hit by a truck, and backed over by a bus

17:53 <xcamel> it was a really stupid move

17:54 <Rookie_69> Sorry, but I can't really emphathise with allergies.

17:55 <Rookie_69> ... but you have my sympathy.

17:55 <xcamel> poison is all in the doseage

17:55 <xcamel> TG for benadryl

17:58 <xcamel> that knocked it out enough to breathe again

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18:02 <xcamel> 'lo Tank

18:02 <Tank_Master> hey

18:03 <Tank_Master> you know, I can never spell RS correctly

18:03 <xcamel> who is in CA?

18:03 <Tank_Master> Zombie

18:03 <xcamel> >> PLane- Helicopter Crash in Fresno (just a headline)

18:04 <Tank_Master> where is that from the bay area?

18:04 <Rookie_69> Depends on which CA you mean...

18:04 <Rookie_69> Not ne.

18:04 <xcamel> kalifornicatia

18:05 <Rookie_69> ... as opposed to Kanuckistan...

18:05 <Tank_Master> anywho, testing time

18:05 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

18:05 <Tank_Master> (I have a new vid card)

18:05 <Romulus> cant compile manager under windows lately?

18:07 <MTughan> xcamel: Why does the title say avoid v6? It hasn't been released, has it?

18:07 <MTughan> It's not on the main download page.

18:08 <xcamel>,-119.7194&z=14&t=h&hl=en

18:08 <Romulus> <> (at

18:08 <MTughan> 5.10.38 for Win/Win64/OS X and 5.10.28 for Linux.

18:08 <xcamel> some people try to run alpha/beta versions

18:09 <MTughan> They've released alpha/beta binaries of v6?

18:09 <MTughan> Actually, if it's quite unstable, it'd be an alpha ver...

18:09 <xcamel>

18:09 <Romulus> <> (at

18:11 <xcamel> that doesn't stop people from trying, mike

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18:12 <xcamel> and there are faster downloads from

18:12 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at

18:17 <CoderForLife> off 4 2 nite

18:17 <Rookie_69> Hi/bye, Don.

18:17 <xcamel> didn't see that you were on... sorry..

18:17 <xcamel> have a nice nite..

18:18 <wdsmia> Hmm Google maps still havent updated the picture of my house

18:19 <Rookie_69> You mean it's not a blurry square?

18:19 <wdsmia>,-93.736411&spn=0.000568,0.001462&z=20&om=0

18:19 <Romulus> <> (at

18:19 <xcamel> birsdeye view misses my house by 400'

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18:29 <xcamel> not sure how fast they're updating the aerial photos

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18:32 <Rookie_69> Probablt within 4 or 5 years...

18:32 <Rookie_69> y

18:33 <wdsmia> looks like the pic of my house was early spring prob 2006

18:34 <BadBarbarian> howdy all

18:35 <Kathryn_> Morning everyone

18:35 <wdsmia> *lo BB

18:35 <xcamel> mornin K

18:35 <xcamel> get any sleep at all?

18:35 <Kathryn_> me?

18:35 <Kathryn_> very little

18:35 <BadBarbarian> for  a linux noob what distro is easyest to make a dual boot system with

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18:36 <xcamel> hawmps=xcamel (at home)

18:36 <BadBarbarian> hoedy jay

18:36 <BadBarbarian> howdy

18:36 <xcamel> 'lo BB

18:36 <Kathryn_> I'm still pretty noobish, and I like Fedora

18:37 <xcamel> np with that one..

18:37 <BadBarbarian> pogo is a young man wanting to learn about linux

18:37 <Pogogunner> I already know some stuff, Bad, don't make me sound like a drooling eight year old

18:37 <BadBarbarian> lol

18:38 <xcamel> a stuffy 9 year old then?

18:38 <Pogogunner> Bad wants me to ask about the automatic dual-boot partitions

18:38 <Pogogunner> An arrogant 16 year old :\

18:38 <Kathryn_> ah yes, but I belive a drooling 8 year old could use Fedora just fine.  Heck, I can and I'm lower than a drooling 8 year old

18:38 * xcamel needs to go get milk and coffee..

18:38 <Pogogunner> -coffee + cookies

18:38 <Rookie_69> Llama milk?

18:39 <Pogogunner> A cat is fine too

18:39 <xcamel> not hardly

18:39 <Rookie_69> Cat's milk???

18:39 <xcamel> bbiab..

18:39 <BadBarbarian> but stay away from the dog milk

18:39 <Pogogunner> index.php/A_cat_is_fine_too

18:41 <Rookie_69> Coffee is a breakfast food.

18:42 <Pogogunner> Rookie must be a coder

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18:43 <Rookie_69> Me? I can barely type with two fingers.

18:45 <Rookie_69> I used to know a little bit of Basic 25 years ago...

18:49 <Pogogunner> 25?

18:50 <Pogogunner> I can't even comprehend that much time

18:50 <MTughan> I'm a programmer, and I don't drink coffee.

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18:50 <MTughan> 'lo TM

18:50 <Pogogunner> Mt, Coffee is safer than Crack

18:50 <Pogogunner> Hey Tank

18:50 <wdsmia> Pogo most of us have socks older than you are :P

18:50 <Pogogunner> Get on ircqnet

18:50 <MTughan> It's still got caffeine, and I don't need it.

18:51 <Rookie_69> 45 last month, and feel like 80 or so :-(

18:52 <Pogogunner> Wow, you're older than my dad

18:52 <wdsmia> rofl

18:53 <Rookie_69> Gee... Thanks.

18:53 <Rookie_69> Doug... you're a few months older than me?..

18:54 <wdsmia> a few

18:54 <Pogogunner> Sorry, I just see my dad as an imposing figure

18:54 <Pogogunner> :\

18:55 <Rookie_69> That's his job.

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18:55 * wdsmia is 21... for the 24th time

18:55 <Kathryn_> lol

18:55 <Kathryn_> i'm 29 and refuse to age any futher

18:55 <Pogogunner> I've been at his job, it's more fun than school

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18:56 <Pogogunner> Eight hours work > Eight hours school

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18:56 <Rookie_69> School sux... until you experience the real world.

18:57 <Pogogunner> I dunno, I thought making bandages for eight hours straight was allright

18:57 <Kathryn_> Or you become a teacher and deal with school for the next x years :)

18:57 <Pogogunner> Bah, I know I could replace our schools network tech

18:57 <Pogogunner> He has no certs

18:58 <Pogogunner> But I admire that he works on 800 computers alone and doesn't openly complain

18:58 <Kathryn_> We don't have one.  and it show.  *thinks about all the horrilbe crap I cleaned off my thumb drive*

18:58 <Pogogunner> Why didn't you make your thumb drive read only?

18:58 <Kathryn_> I only use it at the school.

18:58 <Rookie_69> My school had one computer, and I think it still used punch cards...

18:59 <Pogogunner> What's a punch card?

18:59 <Kathryn_> I take a Live CD and email files to myself if I need them at home.

18:59 <Pogogunner> If you use a live CD at our school you get suspended for a minimum of ten days

18:59 <Kathryn_> ouch

18:59 <Rookie_69> A pisce of cardboard that the programmer punches holes in.

19:00 <Kathryn_> There are advantages to being a teacher :)

19:00 <Rookie_69> Where's Jan? She knows.

19:00 <Rookie_69> Stupid fingers...

19:00 <MTughan> You get suspended for using a Live CD? That sucks...

19:00 <Pogogunner> It applies to the teachers too

19:00 <Pogogunner> Only one has the know how to burn a OS, anyway

19:01 <Pogogunner> Thats nothing, MT

19:01 <MTughan> What would you use the CD for?

19:01 <Pogogunner> Two kids got caught having sex in a bathroom one day

19:01 <Pogogunner> They got a one day in school suspension

19:01 <Rookie_69> ... on a CD?

19:01 <MTughan> lol

19:01 <Pogogunner> I'm not kidding

19:01 <Kathryn_> O.o

19:02 <MTughan> I'm not "lol"ing the sex part. I'm "lol"ing the sex on a CD from Rookie.

19:02 <Pogogunner> My CCNA class teacher (At a vo-tech school that they bus us out for) didn't even know what Linux was at the beginning of the school year

19:02 <Kathryn_> oh my

19:02 <MTughan> Heh, and I'm running Linux.

19:03 <Kathryn_> me too

19:03 <Pogogunner> On the positive side, I'm doing better in school this year

19:03 <xcamel> back again

19:03 <Pogogunner> Hey Camel

19:03 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

19:03 <Rookie_69> Caffiene fix?

19:03 <xcamel> indeed

19:05 <Pogogunner> Whats the best point project for 32 bit XP?

19:05 <Pogogunner> I heard QMC

19:05 <Rookie_69> He says he's going for coffee, but sometimes I think he's only going outside to pet Kaz.

19:06 <xcamel> umm.. remember... no more kaz

19:06 <Rookie_69> No...

19:06 <xcamel> last july

19:06 <Rookie_69> Did I miss something sad?

19:06 <xcamel> indeed

19:06 <MTughan> Who was Kaz?

19:06 <Rookie_69> Sorry.

19:06 <Tank_Master> always

19:07 <Pogogunner> Whats going on?

19:07 <MTughan> What's going on? Time.

19:07 <xcamel> my camel

19:07 <MTughan> Ah...

19:07 <Romulus> i got a "D" in that dir

19:07 <Pogogunner> ...You can own a Camel?

19:07 <Pogogunner> What country do you live in?

19:07 <MTughan> Guess that's where "xcamel" came from.

19:08 <Tank_Master> canada

19:08 <Pogogunner> In Canada, milk comes in bags

19:08 <MTughan> No, where does Jay live?

19:08 <xcamel>

19:08 <MTughan> Nice...

19:08 <Pogogunner> Jesus christ, it's a lion, get in the car!

19:08 <Rookie_69> I better keep that pic of kaz and the missus cuddling safe...

19:09 <Rookie_69> ... your missus...

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19:09 <xcamel> chased by a wolf in the middle of the night and slipped, fell, landed upsidedown in a drainage ditch and broke his neck

19:09 <Rookie_69> I never knew.

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19:09 <xcamel> np

19:10 <Pogogunner> A wolf? I guess you don't live near any cities

19:10 <MTughan> Guess camel's aren't made for North American terrain. :P

19:10 <xcamel> not really, and the authorities won't admit there are wolves back in NY - lots of them

19:10 <Pogogunner> Why not shoot them?

19:11 <xcamel> we've killed 2 of the 3 around here already

19:11 <Pogogunner> I say organize a wolf hunt

19:11 <xcamel> one shot, one killed by a snowplow

19:11 <Pogogunner> Whoever kills the biggest wins $100

19:11 <xcamel> technically, they're protected

19:11 <Pogogunner> So?

19:11 <MTughan> Ah, technicalities.

19:12 <xcamel> unless they're killing your livestock

19:12 <MTughan> Camel's not livestock then?

19:12 <xcamel> he got him at 4 months, and he had just turned 11 years old

19:12 <Pogogunner> I think the city has more to worry about in the murders than the wolves

19:12 <xcamel> city murders are just darwin's law at work..

19:13 <Pogogunner> Why's that, then?

19:13 <Pogogunner> It always seems like its an innocent person that dies

19:14 <Rookie_69> If I look back, someone said Canadian... Are they allowed here?

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19:14 <MTughan> I'm Canadian.

19:14 <crash_> hello :D

19:14 <MTughan> 'lo crash_

19:14 <Rookie_69> Nova Scotia here.

19:14 <Pogogunner> Does Milk really come in bags?

19:15 <Pogogunner> The one time I went to Canada, I didn't buy any milk :(

19:15 <Rookie_69> They're called udders...

19:15 <MTughan> Some provinces have big plastic jugs. We get bags here in Toronto though.

19:15 <Rookie_69> ;-)

19:15 <MTughan> lol

19:16 <MTughan> So Rookie_69: How's life out east?

19:16 <Pogogunner> Cold

19:16 <Rookie_69> PEI still sells milk in bottles, I think.

19:16 <MTughan> &weather Toronto

19:16 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 27°F / -3°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM EST; Tonight - Increasing cloudiness. 30 percent chance of flurries overnight. Wind west 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph) diminishing to 20 km/h (12 mph) this evening. Temperature steady near -4C(24F).; Saturday - Overcast. Wind (1 more message)

19:16 <Rookie_69> Wet.

19:16 <MTughan> &more

19:16 <Romulus> MTughan: west 30 km/h (19 mph). Temperature steady near -5C(23F). Saturday night cloudy periods. Wind west 30 km/h (19 mph). Low -11C(12F).; Sunday - A mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of flurries. Windy. High -10C(14F).;

19:16 <MTughan> Doesn

19:17 <Romulus> Jay got around to installing SQLite?

19:17 <MTughan> ..'t say the windchill, but it was damn cold this morning.

19:17 <MTughan> lol, Rommie's asking about himsel.

19:17 <MTughan> himself*

19:17 <Rookie_69> &weather yhz

19:17 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.55in / 1001hPa | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM AST; Tonight - Rain ending this evening then clearing. Amount 10 mm(0.4 in). Fog patches dissipating this evening. Wind southeast 60 km/h (37 mph) gusting to 100 km/h (62 mph) becoming southwest 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 60 km/h (1 more message)

19:17 <Rookie_69> &more

19:17 <Romulus> Rookie_69: (37 mph) this evening then west 20 km/h (12 mph) overnight. Low -4C(24F).; Saturday - A mix of sun and cloud. 40 percent chance of flurries in the afternoon. Wind west 20 km/h (12 mph). High 0C(32F). Saturday night flurries. Amount 2 cm(0.8 in). Wind southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light near midnight. Low -4C(24F).; Sunday - Flurries. Windy. High -3C(26F).;

19:17 <xcamel> how precient

19:17 <MTughan> Wow, that's warm...

19:18 <xcamel> get ready glenn.. it's going to single digits here..

19:18 <Rookie_69> Southerly wind bringing warm weather.

19:18 <Kathryn_> &weather ulsan

19:18 <Romulus> Kathryn_: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 30.51in / 1033hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM KST; Clear. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:46 F. / 8 C.; Overcast. Low:33 F. / 1 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:48 F. / 9 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F. / 3 C.;

19:18 <MTughan> And we just got hit by a cold front from the north.

19:18 <MTughan> We got up to 11C earlier this week.

19:18 <xcamel> we're going down to -16 c by sunday

19:19 <MTughan> Wow...

19:19 <Rookie_69> Last week was almost summer weather. Only wore long johns once.

19:19 <Rookie_69> Lol.

19:19 <Kathryn_> :)

19:19 <MTughan> Looks like the coldest we'll get to is -11 next Friday.

19:20 <MTughan> Sucks, that's my last exam day.

19:20 <Pogogunner> People use celcius for the weather?

19:20 * Tank_Master never wares pants

19:20 <xcamel> you get a little help from the lake

19:20 <xcamel> TNI...TM

19:20 <MTughan> Celsius. And it's the standard unit for temperature.

19:20 <Tank_Master> popo, most people here arent from the states

19:20 <MTughan> You American are just messed with Fahrenheit.

19:20 <Pogogunner> Celcius should be for science, Farenheit is better for most weather

19:20 <Tank_Master> no, c is better for science

19:21 <MTughan> It's good for weather. When it's 0C or under, we can expect ice.

19:21 <xcamel> F is for frigid

19:21 <Tank_Master> 0 is the temp water freezes at at sea level, and 100 is the temp water boils at

19:21 <xcamel> K is for color

19:21 <Tank_Master> lol

19:21 <MTughan> K and C use the same scale actually.

19:21 <Pogogunner> Hmm, America should switch to Kelvins

19:21 <MTughan> Just a different 0.

19:21 <Pogogunner> Just for fun

19:21 <Tank_Master> popo, do you know what 0f even represents?

19:21 <Rookie_69> 0 c water freezes... 100 c water boils.

19:21 <Pogogunner> Aboslute zero, right MT?

19:21 <MTughan> Right.

19:22 <Pogogunner> TM, I thought it didn't stand for anything

19:22 <Tank_Master> seriously

19:22 <Pogogunner> I know 32 and 212, though

19:22 <Rookie_69> Ok is absolute...

19:22 <MTughan> K = C - 273.15

19:22 <Rookie_69> 0 k...

19:22 <Tank_Master> when they make the f scale, 0 was the coldest temp man could make

19:22 <MTughan> Think of K and C as the same, just different places.

19:22 <xcamel> or 0 Kelvin for absolute 0

19:22 <Tank_Master> what was 100 representing?

19:23 <Tank_Master> MTughan yes, they are

19:23 <Pogogunner> The hottest?

19:23 <Tank_Master> nope

19:23 <MTughan> Tank_Master: I know. Chemistry is good for a lot of things.

19:23 <Tank_Master> that was the body temp of the queen of englend at the time

19:23 <Pogogunner> Bah, I hate chemistry

19:24 <Rookie_69> I liked chemistry, just not my chemistry teacher...

19:24 <Tank_Master> but she had a fever, so thats why we are stuck with such a screwed up scale

19:24 <Rookie_69> I failed.

19:24 <xcamel> need some more of those scripts run

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19:25 <MTughan> We scared him off. :P

19:25 <xcamel> wineguy?

19:25 <xcamel> interesting /nick

19:25 <MTughan> crash.

19:25 <Rookie_69> Hi, Washington!

19:25 <wineguy> hey

19:25 <MTughan> wineguy just joined, didn't quit.

19:26 <Rookie_69> Doug's around somewhere.

19:26 <xcamel> he was..

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19:26 <wdsmia> still here

19:26 <Rookie_69> This wineguy your brother?

19:26 <xcamel> crash 'uncrashed'

19:27 <wineguy> yes

19:27 <Rookie_69> Thought so.

19:27 <wineguy> unfortunately

19:27 <wdsmia> :P

19:27 <MTughan> Hmm... Tank_Master: According to Wikipedia, he didn't use the queen's temp.

19:27 <MTughan> For F.

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19:27 <Tank_Master> o.O?

19:27 <MTughan>

19:27 <Romulus> Title: Fahrenheit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

19:28 <Pogogunner> Fahrenheit noted that, using this scale, mercury boils at around 600 degrees.

19:28 <Pogogunner> WHO BOILS MERCURY?

19:28 <MTughan> According to an article referenced on there, he used the coldest mix known to man (ice, salt, and water) and his body temp.

19:29 <MTughan> Pogogunner: Apparently, Daniel Fahrenheit did.

19:29 <xcamel> wineguy is whos brother?

19:30 <Tank_Master> why would he fix body temp to 96?

19:30 <MTughan> Who knows.

19:30 <Tank_Master> whats the signifagence of 100?

19:30 <xcamel> it has 3 digits..

19:30 <Pogogunner> Multiple of 10

19:30 <Tank_Master> I was tought 100 was the body temp of the queen of england

19:31 <Pogogunner> Humans have ten fingers, so they like to go by tens

19:31 <Pogogunner> Or that's what I was told, anyway

19:31 <MTughan> It's always possible Wikipedia's wrong, but it's unlikely.

19:32 <Kathryn_> This has been fascinating.  But given my severe sleep debt and it's Saturday, I'm going back to bed.

19:32 <Kathryn_> Laters all

19:32 <MTughan> Bye.

19:32 <wineguy> ttfn

19:32 <Romulus> I hike it all behind me really.......

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19:32 <Tank_Master> never heard of the rankine scale...

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19:32 <MTughan> Rankine is to Fahrenheit as Kelvin is to Celsius.

19:32 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:32 <Tank_Master> ok

19:33 <Tank_Master> still never heard of it ;)

19:33 <MTughan> Yeah, figures. Because Kelvin is the scientific standard.

19:33 <MTughan> Anyway, 0R = 0K.

19:33 <Acili> hello. I can only run boinc when I swich to root in console. If I try to run it as user I get: "make sure you start this program in the same directory as the client". How do I correct this?

19:33 <xcamel> btw.. she's an english teacher in S. Korea

19:34 <xcamel> Ac.. did you turn off 'selinux'

19:34 <xcamel> also.. is it a really new box?

19:34 <Acili> xcamel: is it selinux preventing it?  No I didnt turn of selinux. Dont know howto.

19:34 <Acili> "is it a really new box"?

19:34 <xcamel> uh boy..

19:35 <xcamel> really new computer...

19:35 <Acili> well - its a nearly new installation of fedora 8

19:35 <xcamel> I hit something in the bios of my newest box.. 'data execution prevention'

19:35 <Acili> in the bios??

19:36 <MTughan> Acili: Running GNOME or KDE?

19:36 <xcamel> whis would stop boinc from running, believe it or not...

19:36 <Acili> MTughan: running GNOME

19:36 <Acili> it works just fine - as root

19:36 <MTughan> Well, we can turn off SELinux for the time being.

19:36 <xcamel> bte Acili hawmps==xcamel

19:36 <xcamel> (at home)

19:36 <MTughan> System->Administration->SELinux Management

19:37 <xcamel> did you go back and install the rpm ?

19:37 <Acili> xcamel: I installed the rpm yes

19:37 <MTughan> This is on F7 BTW, so it may be different from F8.

19:37 <MTughan> Acili: System->Administration->SELinux Management

19:37 <Acili> MTughan: yes, next?

19:37 <MTughan> I have two fields of interest here...

19:38 <MTughan> "System Default Enforcing Mode" and "Current Enforcing Mode". Are they there?

19:38 <Acili> yes, they are both enforcing

19:38 <MTughan> Change current do disabled, then default to disabled.

19:38 <MTughan> s/do/to

19:39 <Acili> dissabled = permissive?

19:39 <MTughan> Not permissive... What else is there?

19:39 <Acili> there is just permissive

19:39 <MTughan> Enforcing and Permissive?

19:39 <Acili> the default I can disable

19:39 <Romulus> bla appears the boinc benchmark is now 100k in ALL projects (with work)

19:39 <Acili> but current I can either enforce or permissive

19:39 <MTughan> Okay. Can you do a reboot then?

19:39 <MTughan> Not right now...

19:40 <MTughan> If you can, change default to disabled and reboot.

19:40 <xcamel> which part of it will run as root?

19:40 <Acili> it says: changing to SElinux disabled requires a reboot. It is not recommended. If you later..... "

19:41 <Acili> I leave the current enforced... and disable the system default... and reboot?

19:41 <xcamel> nanny mode reminder..

19:41 <MTughan> Yes, that's right.

19:41 <Acili> ok

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19:42 <MTughan> I take it by that it's a new Fedora 8 install, it's probably an older computer. Probably just SELinux.

19:42 <MTughan> Older being a relative term here.

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19:45 <Acili> MTughan: strange. There was created a new user called "boinc" in the login window?

19:46 <MTughan> Then it installed fine.

19:46 <MTughan> That's where BOINC runs it's executables.

19:46 <Acili> what should I do next?

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19:47 <MTughan> Log in as normal. See if BOINC runs.

19:48 <Acili> I guess it runs now. Its retreiving. I run boincmgr in console.

19:48 <xcamel> hmm.. your user other than rood needs permissions to run programs as 'boinc' user

19:48 <MTughan> Not the GUI?

19:48 <xcamel> er root even

19:48 <Acili> "boinc manager is not able to connect to BOINC client. Would you like to try to connect again".

19:49 <Acili> I have no GUI. No menu, no icon?

19:49 <MTughan> Where did you get it? Package Manger?

19:49 <MTughan> Manager*

19:49 <Acili> as far as I know I can only run boinc by opening a console and type boincmgr.

19:49 <Soul_keeper> i done tore that backyard up with the mower

19:49 <MTughan> There's a better way...

19:49 <Soul_keeper> even hit the neighbor's yard too

19:49 <Tank_Master> wb SK

19:49 <Acili> I have installed a .rpm file via the package manager

19:49 <MTughan> Download the Linux version.

19:49 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at

19:50 <MTughan> "Recommended version (Ubuntu Release - standard GUI)"

19:50 <xcamel> we tried that one earlier, mike...

19:50 <MTughan> Oh?

19:50 <xcamel> it still didn't run, and I've been racking my brain as to why...

19:50 <MTughan> 5.10.28 GUI running fine on my system.

19:50 <Acili> lets try again :$

19:51 <xcamel> I showed him how to do the 'slick install'

19:51 <MTughan> I don't think Fedora 7 and Fedora 8 are that much different.

19:51 <xcamel> in /opt/BOINC

19:51 <Acili> im downloading the standar GUI (4.25 MB)

19:51 <xcamel> they're not...

19:51 <MTughan> Exactly.

19:51 <Acili> xcamel I figured out how to get permission to rwx in the /opt folder

19:52 <Acili> (lets try again - I have good feelings this time)

19:52 <MTughan> chmod 0777 /opt

19:52 <MTughan> rwxrwxrwx permissions.

19:52 <MTughan> 0755 - rwxr-xr-x

19:52 <Acili> download of complete

19:53 <Acili> moving it to the /opt folder

19:53 *** Alphinux|The is now known as Alphinux

19:53 <MTughan> Wait, that's 5.8.16...

19:53 * Alphinux is away: At the club

19:53 <MTughan> Get 5.10.28.

19:53 <Romulus> On and on a p2?

19:53 <MTughan> Under "Linux/x86".

19:53 <Acili> but thats command line interface only?

19:53 <MTughan> One more down.

19:54 <Acili> oh. Ubuntu release standard gui?

19:54 <MTughan> Yeah.

19:54 <MTughan> Not sure why they name Ubuntu though. Works on Fedora, probably on more.

19:54 <Tank_Master> thats because they are only conserend with that one distro

19:54 <Acili> done

19:55 <MTughan> chmod +x it.

19:55 <Tank_Master> if it works on others, great, if not, they are going to fix it

19:55 <Tank_Master> arent*

19:55 <Acili> MTughan: tell me exatly how to do it

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19:55 <MTughan> Did you move it to /opt/BOINC?

19:55 <Acili> the .sh file is on my desktop now

19:55 <Tank_Master> z!!

19:55 <MTughan> Okay.

19:55 <MTughan> cd ~/Desktop

19:55 <Acili> should I create a BOINC folder?

19:55 <MTughan> chmod +x

19:55 <MTughan> That will for you.

19:56 <MTughan> Or rather, this will...

19:56 <MTughan> ./

19:56 <Acili> did chmod

19:56 <Acili> now ./boinc_ubuntu..... ?

19:56 <MTughan> Yep.

19:56 <Acili> use /home/Sadik/Desktop/BOINC/run_manager to start BOINC

19:57 <MTughan> After that, you should be left with a BOINC folder on your desktop. Move it to where you want it.

19:57 <Acili> ok. Where should I move it? - Where is best?

19:57 <MTughan> Then double-click run_manager in there or run it from the terminal, as the script says.

19:57 <xcamel> I'm off to watch some scifi -- cu later

19:57 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

19:57 *** xcamel is now known as xcamel_away

19:57 <Acili> leave it on desktop?

19:57 <MTughan> Doesn't matter too much. I left it on my desktop, but yours may be cluttered.

19:58 <MTughan> You could do ~/BOINC too.

19:58 <Acili> "do you want to run "run_manager, or display its contents"

19:58 <MTughan> Run.

19:58 <Acili> "run manager" is an executable text file

19:58 <Acili> run in terminal

19:58 <Acili> run

19:58 <MTughan> Yep, it's a shell script. Run, not run in Terminal.

19:59 <Acili> got it

19:59 <MTughan> From there, you'll have to attach to a project, then you can do stuff.

19:59 <Acili> no sign of that pesky warning

19:59 <Acili> success

19:59 <Romulus> can't remember what it was stress induced due to final area assigned when retired

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20:01 <MTughan> I know I prefer the Advanced View, but that's a personal preference.

20:01 <Acili> its running now

20:02 <Acili> what about SElinux - change it back to enforcing?

20:02 <MTughan> No.

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20:02 <Tank_Master> yeppie!

20:02 <Acili> leave it as it is?

20:02 <MTughan> Not sure how well it works, or even what it's purpose is, but it interferes with BOINC.

20:02 <MTughan> TM: Not so fast. Check #boinc-credit.

20:03 <Acili> ok

20:03 <Acili> MTughan: one last question.

20:03 <Acili> what happens when I close it down now?

20:03 <Acili> does it still run in "background"... or is it terminated?

20:03 <MTughan> I believe it'll just keep crunching. You just have to do run_manager again to bring it back up.

20:03 <MTughan> I just keep mine minimized.

20:04 <Acili> and its nok like a screensaver that activates... it just keeps crunching in background?

20:04 <MTughan> As I know. I don't think I've actually tested that myself.

20:05 <Acili> ok

20:05 <MTughan> I'm relatively new to crunching on Linux. My main machine is a Mac, but it's in for service right now.

20:05 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Now he's gone.

20:06 <Rookie_69> We have been informed of the passing of a dedicated SETI@home volunteer and active participant on the forums, Dennis Peters, (aka Dogbytes). Our condolences go out to his family and friends.

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20:06 <MTughan> 'lo e

20:06 <MTughan> <Rookie_69> We have been informed of the passing of a dedicated SETI@home volunteer and active participant on the forums, Dennis Peters, (aka Dogbytes). Our condolences go out to his family and friends.

20:07 <Acili> RIP

20:07 <efc> :(

20:08 <Rookie_69> I'll have to sip a beer in his honour,

20:08 <Rookie_69> Hi, Eddie.

20:09 <wdsmia> It's with great sadness and many,many tears that that I have to tell you that at 1.00pm on 21st. December ,2007 Dogbytes passed away.

20:09 <wdsmia> from Keith TFFE

20:09 <MTughan> December 21st? That was a little while ago...

20:09 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 knot to mile

20:09 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: unit categories did not match

20:09 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 knot to mph

20:09 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 1.15077944802

20:10 <Soul_keeper> &math 500*1.15

20:10 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 575

20:10 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 1 knot to mph] * 500

20:10 <Romulus> MTughan: 575.38972401

20:11 <MTughan> Heh, not that much different...

20:11 <Rookie_69> Today is a first for several belated tragedies for me :-(

20:11 <Acili> &math solve(x²-x=0,x)

20:11 <Romulus> Acili: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

20:11 <Soul_keeper> &math 65*1.15

20:11 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 74.75

20:12 <Acili> (Romulus is cool)

20:12 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 mph to kph

20:12 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 1.609344

20:13 * Tank_Master likes his new GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB card

20:13 <Soul_keeper> &math calc [math convert 1 kph to mph] * 65

20:13 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 40.3891274954

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20:15 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around with a GeForce 8800 GTS

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20:16 <Tank_Master> hey, I actually rememeber the name dogbyte

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20:17 * Tank_Master takes wdsmia's GeForce 8800 gts and put is in his second 16x PCI-e slot

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20:19 <Acili> oh no :(

20:19 <Acili> help

20:19 <Tank_Master> vut u vont?

20:19 <Acili> I started tvtime.... it says "permission denied, cannot open capture device /dev/video0"

20:20 <MTughan> Run it as root.

20:20 <Acili> I rebooted... and some things didnt get the ok clearence

20:20 <MTughan> The okay clearance for what?

20:20 <Tank_Master> parking

20:20 <Acili> uff I dont remember :(

20:21 <Acili> something about /var should not be a global something

20:21 <Acili> Im worried that I may have altered the permissions for that folder

20:21 <Acili> (and now even boinc cant connect)

20:23 <Rookie_69> Gotta go.

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20:24 <Romulus> is there a performance setting that I can go diving is priceless

20:25 <Acili> I really have some permission denied issues. Amarok gives an error message saying: "error initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp cant be opened (permission denied)".

20:26 <Soul_keeper> Acili,  chmod 666 /dev/dsp

20:28 <Acili> that worked - now amarok is ok

20:28 <Acili> another problem is that /media folder is empty :(

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20:28 <Acili> my backup disk and usb drive is gone

20:29 <Soul_keeper> what do you mean "gone" ?

20:29 <Acili> they are not mounted

20:29 <Soul_keeper> df -hT   shows mounted drives

20:29 <Soul_keeper> edit your /etc/fstab to automount them on boot next time

20:30 <Acili> how do I do that?

20:30 <Acili> df -hT gives this:

20:30 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

20:30 <Soul_keeper> be more specific,  what device are you trying to mount here

20:31 <Acili> well before In the /media folder I used to have a "BACKUP" drive....

20:31 <Acili> and "Store N GO" usb stick

20:31 <Acili> and "48.4 GB drive" where the windows resides

20:31 <Soul_keeper> you had two dirs inside /media  named those "?

20:32 <Acili> they used to mounted and accesible

20:32 <Acili> BACKUP, Store N GO, and 48.8 GB disk

20:33 <Soul_keeper> you need to create a dir for a mount point for example    mkdir /media/backup1 && mount /dev/sdb1 /media/backup1

20:33 <Acili> what is going on with the system?  Could all this happen just by disabling SElinux?

20:34 <Soul_keeper> check  dmesg |more    for info on the device names and to see if they got detected

20:34 <Soul_keeper> i dunno what SElinux is ... i just use slackware

20:35 <Acili> omg I dont know what to look for in dmesg|more

20:35 <Acili> hold on. I will enable SELInux again

20:35 <Soul_keeper> look for your drive

20:35 <Acili> (this is not going to well for me at the moment)

20:35 <Soul_keeper> it'll say something like   Detected /dev/sdb or whatever

20:36 <wineguy> time to run - ttfn

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20:36 <Soul_keeper> it's all easy stuff, don't go stressin' yurself out

20:37 <Acili> this is the output of dmesg|more (its very long)

20:38 <Acili> I dont see any detected /dev/sdb drives

20:39 <MTughan> &pastebin

20:39 <MTughan> &ping

20:39 <Romulus> pong

20:39 <MTughan> Where's the pastebin thing...

20:40 <MTughan> &pastebin

20:40 <MTughan> &alias pastebin

20:40 <MTughan> Oh well.

20:41 <Acili> if tvtime says "permission denied, cannot open capture device /dev/video0".. would this be a solution: chmod +x /dev/video0 ?

20:42 <Soul_keeper> no

20:42 <Acili> sorry chmod 666 /dev/video09

20:42 <Soul_keeper> try chmod 666 /dev/vid*

20:42 <Acili> chmod 666 /dev/video0

20:42 <MTughan> 666... rw-rw-rw-?

20:42 <Soul_keeper> if it still don't work it's probably your drivers

20:42 <MTughan> And that'd be 0666.

20:43 <MTughan> Acili: Don't do that command!

20:43 <Acili> :( did it - and now tvtime works

20:43 <MTughan> Oh...

20:43 <MTughan> The preceding 0 is important as it shows the terminal that the number's octal, not base 10.

20:43 <MTughan> Decimal, in other words.

20:44 <Soul_keeper> 655 is more appropriate

20:44 <Soul_keeper> read/execute for everyone, and write for owner

20:44 <MTughan> Shouldn't you do 755 then?

20:44 <Soul_keeper> i mostly don't care on my system tho ...

20:45 <Acili> well never mind.. (for now)

20:45 <Soul_keeper> sure if you think you'll ever need to execute a sounds device ....

20:45 <Soul_keeper> lol

20:45 <Acili> the only thing I need to setup now is the missing drives in /media

20:45 <Soul_keeper> find the devices in dmesg

20:46 <Soul_keeper> pastebin it, also pastebin lsmod    if you can't figure it out

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20:48 <Acili> this is output of dmesg:

20:48 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

20:49 <Acili> at some point I need to reboot and tell you where the system gives me "failed" instead of "ok".

20:50 <Soul_keeper> probably not important

20:51 <Soul_keeper> ok

20:51 <Soul_keeper> you have  sda   and sdb

20:52 <Soul_keeper> 3 partitions on sda and one on sdb

20:52 <Acili> yes

20:52 <Acili> and one usb stick

20:52 <Soul_keeper> and your usb device was detected, double check with   lsusb

20:52 <Acili> yes

20:53 <Soul_keeper> try mounting sdb

20:53 <Soul_keeper> mkdir /media/backup1 && mount /dev/sdb1 /media/backup1

20:54 <mweltin> cron runs without error

20:54 <mweltin> but the page is always blank

20:55 <Acili> succes

20:55 <Acili> I have acces now

20:55 <Soul_keeper> you got a 2GB usb stick ?

20:55 <Acili> yes

20:55 <Soul_keeper> then that one is  sdc

20:55 <Acili> maybe I should also mount sdb2?

20:56 <Acili> the third partition

20:56 <Soul_keeper> mkdir /media/usb1 && mount /dev/sdc1 /media/usb1

20:56 <Soul_keeper> you don't have an sdb2

20:57 <Soul_keeper> #

20:57 <Soul_keeper> sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA

20:57 <Soul_keeper> #

20:57 <Soul_keeper> sdb: sdb1

20:57 <Soul_keeper> sda: sda1 sda2 sda3

20:57 <Acili> I understand

20:57 <Soul_keeper> do    cfdisk /dev/sda     or /dev/sdb   to see what partitions are on there,   or fdisk -l    just don't modify them

20:57 <Acili> Im looking for the partition where windows is installed

20:58 <Acili> I had access to that one too

20:58 <Acili> and all this happened automatically

20:58 <Soul_keeper> fdisk -l /dev/sda   should show a ntfs or fat filesystem for it

20:58 <Soul_keeper> we'll set up your /etc/fstab to mount these auto next time you boot

20:59 <Acili> cfdisk /dev/sda shows a ntfs drive

20:59 <Acili> size 47188 MB

20:59 <Soul_keeper> which one ?  sda2 sda3 ?

21:00 <Acili> sda1 is ntfs, sda2 is linux ext3, sda3 is Linux LVM

21:00 <Acili> ntfs is sda1

21:01 <infinisoft> hmm, is there a site somewhere that tracks the recently connected clients page from SETI?

21:02 <Soul_keeper> ok  mkdir /media/windows

21:02 <Soul_keeper> mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/windows

21:02 <Acili> done

21:02 <infinisoft> If not, I think to make one, it would be nice to see.

21:03 <MTughan> infinisoft: This?

21:03 <Romulus> Title: List of recently connected client types (at

21:03 <infinisoft> yeah.

21:03 <MTughan> That page, or a page that tracks that page?

21:03 <infinisoft> tracking it.

21:04 <Acili> now its time for editing the /etc/fstab I think

21:04 <infinisoft> So you can see aggregate client versions or platforms

21:04 <infinisoft> Daily.

21:04 <MTughan> I don't know of a page tracking it.

21:04 <infinisoft> Ah, I think it might be nice to have one, hehe.  Just made a db for it :)

21:04 <Soul_keeper> Acili,  what kinda filesystem is on the usb drive ?

21:05 <Acili> ummm.... im not sure.

21:05 <Acili> i think its ntfs

21:05 <Soul_keeper> df -hT

21:05 <Acili> vfat

21:06 <Soul_keeper> i really don't like your /etc/fstab  it's nonstandard

21:06 <Acili> /dev/sdc1 vfat 983 M   /media/usb1

21:06 <Soul_keeper> my entries look more like this    /dev/sda1        /mnt/sda1        ext3        defaults         1   1

21:07 <Acili> do you dualboot?

21:07 <Soul_keeper> they tryed to make theirs "user friendly" with whatever distro you are using ...

21:08 <Soul_keeper>

21:08 <MTughan> I dual boot my machine.

21:08 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

21:08 <Soul_keeper> your fstab should look something like that

21:08 <Soul_keeper> not sure what your  mapper thing is either, i have no experience with such things

21:09 <xcamel_away> sitting in the dark with a lighted keyboard is nice..

21:09 <Soul_keeper> xcamel_away,   haha we got the same keyboard, remember ? :)

21:09 <Acili> hmm Soul_keeper.. my fstab is slightly different.

21:09 <Soul_keeper> Acili,  well modify it

21:10 <Acili> its VERY different

21:10 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

21:10 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

21:10 <Soul_keeper> so what you pasted earlier wasn't your fstab then ?

21:11 <Soul_keeper> gimme a min

21:11 <Acili> no I think that was the output of fstab or something. This was my fstab.

21:11 <Acili> sorry :(

21:11 <Acili> that didnt make sense -

21:12 <Acili> (this IS fstab)

21:12 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

21:12 <Acili> (the earlier one was fdisk - I think)

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21:14 <Soul_keeper> Acili,

21:14 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

21:14 <Soul_keeper> make it look like that then try rebooting

21:14 <Acili> ok

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21:17 <Acili> hmm I couldt just copy and paste - didnt have the permission to save the file :)

21:17 <Acili> (thinking of any quick way to do this)

21:18 <Soul_keeper> yeah gotta be root to mess around in /etc usually

21:18 <Soul_keeper> middle mouse usually does a paste in linux :)

21:18 <Soul_keeper> just highlight to copy

21:18 <Acili> yea yea - but the thing is i cannot save. i did copy and paste

21:18 <xcamel_away> still not running yet?

21:19 <Soul_keeper> you can't save to the file unless you are root

21:19 <Acili> yea

21:19 <xcamel_away> dumb question, but have you tried 'sudo' ??

21:21 <Acili> fstab changed

21:21 <Acili> and by the way Soul_keeper.... thanks

21:21 <Soul_keeper>

21:21 <Romulus> <> (at

21:21 <Acili> you have been very helpfull

21:22 <Soul_keeper> :)

21:22 <Soul_keeper> yeah stop by my chan sometime #linuxsociety

21:22 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: What is it?

21:22 <Acili> I will

21:22 <MTughan> Judging from the filename, the new form of red light camera?

21:22 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, Photo-Robocop

21:23 <MTughan> lol, nice.

21:23 <Acili> << rebooting

21:23 <Soul_keeper> gl

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21:24 <infinisoft> here's what i have right now

21:24 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Stuff - Client Stats (at

21:25 <Soul_keeper> lol

21:26 <MTughan> So Windows, Intel Mac, x86 Linux, Win64, then PPC Mac.

21:26 <MTughan> Oh, and x86_64 Linux. The numbers drop off after that.

21:26 <Soul_keeper> impressive

21:27 <Soul_keeper> i gotta go get me some food, bbl

21:27 <MTughan> But far and away, Windows.

21:29 <xcamel_away> you get it working for AC there SK?

21:29 <MTughan> I got BOINC working, but it seemed to mess up some other stuff. He fixed that.

21:30 <MTughan> He didn't get any warnings with that. May have been that he downloaded 5.8.16 first.

21:31 <xcamel_away> good enough

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22:30 <Soul_keeper> you think it's even still possible for any ol' joe just to say they want to be a farmer and actually have a fighting chance at making a living doing it ?

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22:46 <Soul_keeper> hello

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22:46 <Kathryn> hi

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22:53 <KathrynM> One of these days I'll figure out irc..........

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23:00 <infinisoft> hello

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23:03 <infinisoft> hello

23:03 <KathrynM> Hi again

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23:05 <infinisoft> this page is goofed :/

23:05 <zombie67> hi!

23:07 <infinisoft> I got this so far

23:07 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Stuff - Client Stats (at

23:07 <infinisoft> Versions is incorrect somehow >_<

23:11 <MTughan> WTF? FF just crashed...

23:12 <Tank_Master> any your point?

23:12 <MTughan> Just was rather sudden... Playing a game in it.

23:12 <infinisoft> Oh wait, bad sql query, teehee

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23:14 <infinisoft> now it works

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23:23 * Alphinux is back (gone 03:30:10)

23:23 <MTughan> 'lo Alphinux

23:24 <Alphinux> Hi MTughan

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23:26 <zombie67> milkyway is down again....

23:27 <infinisoft> I split the stats up between a few subpages.

23:28 <zombie67> and predictor is down.  probably for good until the transfer.

23:29 <zombie67> and they did not export stats one last time like I requested.

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23:32 <infinisoft> Hmm.

23:32 <infinisoft> How does this look now

23:32 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Stuff - Client Stats (at

23:34 <zombie67> nice

23:34 <zombie67> version 0.0.0?

23:35 <infinisoft> Something at SETI does that

23:35 <infinisoft> Maybe failed to parse their apache logs for the version and platform

23:36 <zombie67> macs over 8%

23:36 <zombie67> nice

23:37 <infinisoft> Since people wanted to know how many are using old clients or somesuch.

23:37 <zombie67> what is the platform for PPC linux?

23:37 <MTughan> powerpc-linux-gnu

23:37 <infinisoft> I will set up a periodic task to collect data each day and see how the percentages fluctuates

23:38 <zombie67> there are *0* powerpc-linux-gnu??

23:38 <infinisoft> Might notice how fast it takes for a new version to get around or something, heh :)

23:38 <zombie67> hell, there are 3 (!) powerpc-ibm-aix5

23:39 <zombie67> I use your sig stats for both pg and rs

23:39 <zombie67> thanks!

23:40 <infinisoft> Cool

23:40 <infinisoft> The client stats are for recently, maybe for connections in the last hour or so, I'm not exactly sure

23:42 <infinisoft> Actually I have not made the HTML page to show the PG histories either :/

23:45 <infinisoft> Lets see.

23:59 <infinisoft> oh!  I'm missing one of the PG apps

23:59 <infinisoft> whoops

23:59 <zombie67> eh?

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