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00:04 <Bad_At_Home> &more
00:04 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: afternoon. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Highs around 35. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Thursday Night - Snow showers likely. Snow accumulation around 2 inches. Lows around 21. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light. Chance of snow 70 percent.;
00:05 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 870562 (at www.pastebin.ca)
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00:06 <MTughan> Hey mw.
00:06 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 870562 (at www.pastebin.ca)
00:06 <mweltin> no
00:06 <mweltin> what
00:07 <MTughan> It toggles network activity on and off every second.
00:07 <mweltin> is that for TSPer?
00:07 <MTughan> Nope, BOINC.
00:07 <mweltin> what log is that from?
00:08 <MTughan> It's from an SSH terminal, but from my Fedora machine, from ./run_client.
00:08 <mweltin> so its a client issue?
00:08 <MTughan> Probably.
00:08 <mweltin> because the last thing I need is a server problem
00:09 <MTughan> Oh, the SSEx GA apps seem to be running about twice as fast.
00:09 <mweltin> thats good.
00:09 <mweltin> so you think its an error in the source code causeing a name collision?
00:09 <MTughan> Probably gonna take about 23 hours on my machine rather than the estimated 40h.
00:09 <mweltin> Im' refering to my last porblem.
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00:10 <mweltin> good
00:10 <MTughan> That's what I'm thinking. There are two classes with the same name, but different methods and variables, but there is one method in four of them where they clash.
00:10 <MTughan> That is the close() function in WORKUNIT, RESULT, APP, and APP_VERSION.
00:11 <mweltin> I wounder how that happened.
00:11 <mweltin> I wonder when its going to get fixed.
00:11 <MTughan> Probably someone not checking other files.
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00:12 <MTughan> Revision 14614 is just one change, api/Makefile.am.
00:12 <mweltin> the stuff in the sched dir doesn't build in the current trunk
00:12 <MTughan> Really?
00:12 <Romulus> I think that was the good word ?
00:12 <MTughan> &stfu
00:12 <Romulus> MTughan: Are you daft?
00:12 <MTughan> No, but you are.
00:12 <mweltin> Last Changed Rev: 14614
00:12 <mweltin> thats teh same revision I have
00:13 <mweltin> does it build for you?
00:13 <MTughan> I'm talking about diff between 14613 and 14614. api/Makefile.am.
00:13 <MTughan> Hold on, I'll have to look up my MySQL dirs...
00:13 <mweltin> yeah
00:13 <mweltin> oh do you define the MYSQL_CONFIG var?
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00:20 <mweltin> MTughan have you tried to build that revision?
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00:35 <mweltin> I'm slowly going backwards to find a revision that will build.
00:38 <mweltin> and I'm not finding one
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00:40 <MTughan> Sorry, my dad had a "talk" with me.
00:40 <MTughan> >_>
00:40 <mweltin> lol what did you "do"?
00:40 <Wabbit98> sex talk?
00:41 <Wabbit98> did you get a lady preggers?
00:41 <MTughan> No, school stuff. That's why I'm annoyed.
00:41 <Wabbit98> you need to do well in school
00:41 <Wabbit98> or else you will end up like me
00:42 <MTughan> I'm not laughing.
00:42 <Wabbit98> I am not laughing either
00:42 <mweltin> I am
00:42 <mweltin> sorry
00:43 <mweltin> I never did well in school
00:43 <mweltin> not until grad school
00:43 <Wabbit98> I have been kicked out of an university
00:43 <Wabbit98> because of grades
00:44 <mweltin> most of the time I was just screwing around and getting the min done to pass.
00:44 <mweltin> I was almost
00:44 <mweltin> I was on probation a few times.
00:44 <Wabbit98> I got a 3.57 GPA last semster and it barely raised my overall GPA
00:44 * Soul_keeper was smart enough to kick himself out
00:46 <mweltin> I have a botany degree
00:46 <mweltin> honestly how useful is that.
00:46 <efc> Its great for writing bots
00:46 <efc> oh..
00:46 <Wabbit98> look at what you are doing now
00:46 <Wabbit98> also I almost quit college to because a long haul trucker
00:46 <Romulus> what do you live?
00:47 <mweltin> become?
00:48 <mweltin> otherwise there better be more to that story.
00:48 <Wabbit98> well obviously I didn't quit college
00:48 <Wabbit98> I am now a permanent professional student
00:48 <Wabbit98> after 14 major changes
00:48 <mweltin> because a long haul trucker kidnapped me and left me in Utah.
00:49 <Wabbit98> was he mormon?
00:49 <mweltin> it wasn't obvious
00:49 <Soul_keeper> lol
00:49 <Wabbit98> well look at what you are doing now
00:49 <Wabbit98> developing BOINC
00:49 <mweltin> yes my story does have a happy ending.
00:49 <mweltin> oh and I saw another sea turtle
00:49 <Wabbit98> you have a gf
00:50 <mweltin> :)
00:50 <Wabbit98> of course it has a happy ending
00:50 <mweltin> true
00:50 <Wabbit98> bastard :P
00:50 <MTughan> Piece of s*** downloaders... DOWNLOAD THE F***ING FILE ALREADY!!!
00:51 <Wabbit98> what is it like living near a warm ocean?
00:51 <mweltin> could be worse, but not much
00:51 <efc> if I could go back and give myself advice, it would be to focus on money more
00:51 <Wabbit98> must be nice to see turtles near your computer
00:52 <mweltin> grrrrrrrrrrr
00:52 <mweltin> efc that would be a mistake
00:52 <mweltin> I have to go diving to see them
00:52 <efc> There's nothing else
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00:52 <mweltin> now I just feel bad for you
00:53 <Wabbit98> hmmmmm
00:53 <mweltin> man I went all teh way back to revision 14448
00:53 <Romulus> I aborted all the horrilbe crap I just be grabbing boinc_core_release svn tag? I'm not sure, could be waiting a while)
00:53 <mweltin> and I still can't build teh stuff in sched.
00:53 <Wabbit98> what revision is that?
00:54 <Wabbit98> kick the sched
00:54 <efc> A lot of guys at work, their kids are going into hairdressing and working at best buy.. they should be thinking, do they want to live on minimum wage*1.2 the rest of their lives
00:54 <Wabbit98> I am a history major
00:55 <mweltin> LOL
00:55 <Wabbit98> I won't work there
00:55 <mweltin> LOLOLOLOL
00:55 <mweltin> thats funny
00:55 <mweltin> I even ran make distclean and ran configure again and it still doesn't build
00:56 <mweltin> what the heck is going on?
00:56 <efc> of course all the daughters get knocked up and well thats it for the career
00:56 <mweltin> I had ti building fine a weekago
00:57 <mweltin> what is the last core release ?
00:58 <MTughan> 6.1.0
00:58 <mweltin> how do I check svn for tags ?
00:59 <MTughan> Tags?
00:59 <MTughan> Wait, latest is 6.1.3.
00:59 <mweltin> you can "tag" souce within a revision history.
00:59 <mweltin> call a specific revision core_release_6_1
01:00 <mweltin> that way you don't have to remember some starnge number.
01:00 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmm cops just drove by my dirveway
01:00 <mweltin> another domestic call on Walton Mountain
01:01 <Wabbit98> you didn't do anything illegal?
01:01 <mweltin> not here
01:01 <Wabbit98> have some turtle soup
01:01 <Wabbit98> go catch a turtle
01:01 <mweltin> boinc_core_release_6_1_7
01:01 <mweltin> you can't its illegal
01:01 <Wabbit98> oh
01:02 <Wabbit98> I won't tell
01:02 <mweltin> although it doesn't stop people.
01:02 <mweltin> I'm all hippy dippy under water, don't mess with much. Take a shell here or there, and once I found an army helmet.
01:03 <MTughan> Okay, libsched.a build here.
01:03 <MTughan> builds*
01:03 <mweltin> must be something on my end.
01:03 <mweltin> what revision?
01:03 <MTughan> What's the error you're getting?
01:04 <MTughan> This is the latest, 14614.
01:04 <mweltin> smae one about multiple def
01:04 <MTughan> I've just built it. I haven't tried using it at all.
01:04 <mweltin> app::clear App_verions::clear Result::clear and Workuni::clear
01:05 <MTughan> Can you build it?
01:05 <mweltin> it won't build for me.
01:05 <MTughan> No, can you build libsched.a? Not can you build from libsched.a.
01:06 <mweltin> the source code for boinc crashes when I run make.
01:07 <MTughan> I just cd'd to sched and did "make libsched.a"...
01:08 <mweltin> I haven't tried that
01:08 <mweltin> I just run make
01:08 <MTughan> Just make results in errors here, but in api, with QBacktrace.
01:09 <MTughan> Also, this is configured with "--disable-client MYSQL_CONFIG=/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql_config"
01:09 <mweltin> mine is teh same
01:10 <mweltin> I just set the environment var
01:10 <mweltin> didn't pass it to configure
01:10 <Romulus> and I will have to drop in too.
01:10 <mweltin> but it picks up the right place.
01:11 <mweltin> I'm running make
01:11 <mweltin> there is no branch with a core_release_6_7_1
01:12 <mweltin> and that looks like its for the client anyway
01:12 <mweltin> DO NOT USE A TAG FOR THE SERVER AND API SOFTWARE. IF YOU DO, IT MAY BE FAR OUT OF DATE. USE THE CURRENT (HEAD) VERSION INSTEAD.
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01:14 <mweltin> 14448 that did build
01:14 <MTughan> Damn that QBacktrace... All right, well libsched.a builds for me. Sorry, but I don't know. I think it's an issue in the source but maybe not.
01:14 <MTughan> And I need to be off to bed.
01:15 <mweltin> night buddy
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01:31 <mweltin> hi pov
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01:36 <mweltin> PovAddict I when all the way back to svn revision 14448 for the boinc source, and it builds without error, but my work generator still has the same trouble. I have tried every combination for the order of the linking of lsched and lboinc and even removed them and I still can't get it to compile.
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02:08 <efc> windows networking sure does stink
02:08 * FauxFaux boggles at efc.
02:09 <FauxFaux> Whatever channel I assign to this number seems to start full of smart people, then slowly degenerate into "lol iwndows sucz"
02:09 <efc> its worse than zero because it does occasionally work
02:09 <efc> I'm sorry to dissapoint you, i'll leave you and the other smart people to discuss smart people things
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03:31 <clusty> ahoy
03:34 <CoderForLife> morning
03:37 <clusty> mweltin, you around here?
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04:02 <CoderForLife> re-morning
04:02 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
04:02 <mweltin> hey
04:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 23.5°F / -4.7°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with snow likely early this morning...then partly sunny late this morning and afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Tonight - Clear. (1 more message)
04:02 <Kathryn> Hi all
04:02 <CoderForLife> &more
04:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Lows 0 to 5 above. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 30. South winds around 5 mph.;
04:03 <CoderForLife> clusty was looking for you mweltin
04:03 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast
04:03 <clusty> i was indeed
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04:10 <CoderForLife> b w/b
04:10 <mweltin> Kathryn !
04:10 <mweltin> and clusty
04:10 <mweltin> nice to see you all
04:10 <Romulus> wonders if he is a piece of cake. most of us have socks older than me?..
04:11 <Kathryn> Hi Markus
04:11 * CoderForLife looks around for a camera
04:11 <mweltin> yes cfl I'm watching you.
04:11 <CoderForLife> ok watch this...
04:12 <CoderForLife> did you see that?
04:12 <clusty> see what?
04:12 <Kathryn> darn. i blinked
04:12 <mweltin> hmmmm do you really need a donkey for that or is that just for show.
04:12 * CoderForLife finishes chewing his bite of breakfast
04:12 <CoderForLife> lol
04:13 * Kathryn is glad I put down my glass of milk when told to watch.
04:13 <mweltin> in other news I did get to see another sea trutle today.
04:13 <Kathryn> cool
04:13 <CoderForLife> see turtle
04:13 <CoderForLife> excellent
04:13 <mweltin> We dive in a spot where there used to be lots and I haven't seen any in months.
04:14 <mweltin> the last two dives I have seen one.
04:14 <mweltin> anyway I'm haveing trouble with my work generator.
04:14 <clusty> btw, any vicious sharks?
04:14 <mweltin> no just reef sharks
04:14 <mweltin> unless you go way out.
04:15 <clusty> tiny ones?
04:15 <Kathryn> dunno... I don't think I'd like to run into any sharks. But that's just me.
04:15 <mweltin> the biggest one I have seen while underwater was 8', but they are usually much smaller.
04:15 <clusty> sharks look funky
04:15 <clusty> ...on TV
04:15 <clusty> :D
04:15 <CoderForLife> I'm particularly shark-adverse
04:16 <CoderForLife> an allergy, I think
04:16 <mweltin> even though I know its harmless I keep one eye on them when I see them.
04:16 <clusty> i personally think they are misunderstood
04:16 <clusty> :D
04:16 <mweltin> they are
04:16 <CoderForLife> must be hard to keep an eye on them when they swim in opposite ways =)
04:16 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
04:16 <clusty> we are mean to them so they are mean back
04:17 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Why do you account for the Boinc go on holiday.
04:17 <clusty> we should give them all our warmth and live in harmony
04:17 <clusty> .....ok enough with the tree hugging :D
04:17 <CoderForLife> "Why can't we all get along?"
04:17 <mweltin> my work generator need both libboinc.a and libshed.a but from teh pastebin output they seem to be redefining the same methods.
04:17 <clusty> why can't we be friends....
04:17 <mweltin> I'm not sure what to do about it.
04:17 <mweltin> any usggestiongs?
04:17 <clusty> mweltin, had same issue
04:18 * CoderForLife looks back at his early-morning Code
04:18 <mweltin> I have all kinds of issues
04:19 <mweltin> as does boinc, I can't get the latest svn revision to build.
04:19 <mweltin> although I did get my "best path" stuff worked out.
04:21 <clusty> well the sample_work_gen that coems with boionc wont compile
04:21 <mweltin> what errors do you get?
04:21 <clusty> undefined ref
04:21 <clusty> linker bug
04:21 <mweltin> what revision?
04:22 <clusty> i also have makefile with multiple def errors
04:22 <mweltin> yes
04:22 <mweltin> thats what I get
04:22 <clusty> latest
04:22 <mweltin> which libs ?
04:22 <clusty> what dop i link against?
04:23 <mweltin> yeah, do you link libsched and libboinc at the same time ?
04:23 <clusty> gcc -I/usr/local/include/BOINC/ -I/home/vlazar/boinc/lib torturer.C -lboinc_api -o torturer.c
04:23 <clusty> is my line
04:24 <mweltin> what are you building?
04:24 <clusty> sample work generator
04:24 <mweltin> and how do you get multi defs when you only link one lib?
04:24 <clusty> called torturer :D
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04:26 <clusty> damn
04:26 <clusty> wrong line
04:27 <clusty> gcc -I/home/vlazar/boinc/lib -I/home/vlazar/boincanator/boinc/sched -I/home/boincanator/vlazar/boinc/tools -I/home/vlazar/boincanator/boinc/db torturer.C /home/vlazar/boincanator/boinc/lib/libboinc.a /home/vlazar/boincanator/boinc/sched/libsched.a -lmysqlclient -lcrypto -o torturer -lstdc++
04:27 <mweltin> did you check my pastebin url?
04:28 <mweltin> do you get the same error?
04:29 <mweltin> app::clear app_version::clear result::clear and workunit::clear ?
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04:34 <mweltin> that was strange
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04:36 <Kathryn> It was ok. I'm glad tomorrow is Friday though.
04:37 <mweltin> what ?
04:37 <Kathryn> You asked how school was.
04:37 <mweltin> its still Wed here
04:37 <Kathryn> I was IM and just saw your question.
04:37 <Kathryn> Thursday here.
04:38 <Kathryn> (had to check though)
04:38 <mweltin> same here.
04:39 * CoderForLife does his Thursday groan
04:39 <Kathryn> lol
04:42 <clusty> mweltin, sorry
04:42 <clusty> yes
04:42 <clusty> same errors
04:42 <mweltin> welcome back clusty
04:42 <clusty> gonna try now the CUDA NVIDIA lib
04:42 <mweltin> any clue on a fix? Does the fix need to come from boinc developers?
04:43 <clusty> yeepppiiie
04:43 <clusty> yeah
04:43 <clusty> its much easier to send messages to mailing list of devs
04:43 <clusty> need link?
04:43 <mweltin> sure
04:43 <Romulus> Title: lists.ssl.berkeley.edu Mailing Lists (at lists.ssl.berkeley.edu)
04:43 <clusty> project
04:43 <clusty> and dev
04:43 <clusty> one question mark:
04:43 <mweltin> I'm on projects
04:43 <clusty> i've seen
04:44 <clusty> :D
04:44 <Romulus> World Community Grid|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
04:44 <clusty> i receive a result
04:44 <clusty> how do i know what was the input i sent to the client?
04:44 <clusty> boinc keep track by itself?
04:45 <mweltin> what?
04:45 <clusty> trying to write my own validator
04:45 <clusty> and assimilator
04:45 <mweltin> good
04:45 <clusty> i receive a result from a WU
04:45 <mweltin> yes
04:45 <clusty> in my case its a matrix factorization
04:46 <mweltin> ok
04:46 <clusty> i need to get the results from WU
04:46 <clusty> and compute what they give me to make sure its close enough to the initial matrix
04:46 <clusty> so how do I know what was initial matrix for the WU?
04:46 <clusty> i need to keep a copy?
04:47 <clusty> or boinc keep all inputs/outputs till get assimilated?
04:47 <mweltin> well I use the opaque field to keep track of stuff like that.
04:47 <clusty> ha haa
04:47 <clusty> famous opaque :D
04:47 <mweltin> yes
04:47 <clusty> ment to ask you what does it do
04:48 <clusty> is there some doc on how to do it?
04:48 <mweltin> it does whatever you want, but I and I assume most poeple have another table of data, and the index of that table is put in the opaque field of the workunit table
04:49 <mweltin> no the opaque is undefined
04:49 <mweltin> it only has meaning you assign to it.
04:49 <Romulus> and stop the boinc benchmark malfunctions on systems with a nice interface for updating records?
04:49 <clusty> so basically i am keeping track of it myself
04:49 <clusty> i love the bot
04:50 <mweltin> yes
04:50 <clusty> playign smart ass always :D
04:50 <mweltin> I can't stand it anymore.
04:50 <clusty> Romulus, you suck
04:50 <Romulus> clusty: Are you daft?
04:50 <clusty> :D
04:50 <clusty> Romulus, no are you?
04:50 <Romulus> clusty: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
04:51 <clusty> mweltin, does boinc contain some easy C/mysql interface?
04:51 <clusty> never did any such stuff
04:52 <mweltin> it does sort of.
04:52 <mweltin> ok
04:52 <mweltin> yes it does, but I never use it.
04:52 <clusty> have your own?
04:52 <mweltin> I use the mysql++
04:52 <mweltin> sometimes I'm just to lazy to learn yet another api for something I can already do.
04:53 <mweltin> mysql has a C api but it's a little tedious.
04:53 <mweltin> no assoicative arrays.
04:53 <clusty> will give a check now
04:53 <clusty> this could have been a really nice addition to boinc
04:54 <clusty> keeping all I/O data till assimilation is complete
04:54 <mweltin> it uses a lot of buffers and doesn't have good documentation, but its easy enough to use.
04:55 <mweltin> well it maybe there but honestly its easier to ues teh opaque field.
04:55 <clusty> c++ :(
04:55 <mweltin> sorry
04:55 <mweltin> yeah that is a problem
04:55 <clusty> can you point me in the docu of opaque?
04:55 <mweltin> it's heavy on teh OO
04:55 <Romulus> You might want to look at it. I haven't tried
04:55 <clusty> teh?
04:56 <mweltin> well thats the think I'm trying to get across clusty, there is no document for it. It's ment to be used however you want so how do you document something like that.
04:56 <mweltin> I can tell you how I use it.
04:56 <clusty> is it not easier to just nmodify the feeder?
04:57 <clusty> to make a copy of the output file like: in_WUid
04:57 <clusty> in some folder
04:57 <mweltin> the feeder?
04:57 <clusty> yeah
04:57 <mweltin> that really has nothing to do with it.
04:57 <clusty> thing that sends tasks
04:57 <mweltin> what if you have huge output files.
04:57 <clusty> send a task, make extra copy of input
04:58 <mweltin> you could have your prog write info to STDERR
04:58 <mweltin> that shows up in the result's output
04:58 <mweltin> in teh result table.
04:58 <mweltin> you don't need any sql for that or C++ or opaque field.
04:58 <clusty> ok
04:58 <clusty> pls tell me your use of opaque then
04:59 <clusty> :D
04:59 <clusty> i hate dbase programming
04:59 <clusty> :)
04:59 <mweltin> on my first app I used the STDERR to double check my answers.
04:59 <mweltin> good no dbase here.
04:59 <mweltin> I have a table called pahts
05:00 <clusty> ok
05:01 <mweltin> it has information on start path and the end path the date the record was entered, the shortest distance of all the paths, and the date the shortest distance was recored.
05:01 <mweltin> whe I create a WU
05:01 <mweltin> the first thing I do is enter in a few of the fields of the path table
05:01 <mweltin> date entered, and the start and stop path.
05:02 <mweltin> Every record in the path table has a unique id.
05:02 <mweltin> so after I enter in the time and start and stop paths I check to see what unique id it got.
05:02 <clusty> ok
05:03 <mweltin> then I make a work unit and set the workunits opaque field to that unique number.
05:03 <mweltin> then when it comes time to assimilate a canonical result,
05:03 <clusty> so you boudn the WU to the dbase stuff
05:03 <Romulus> it made a db for it :)
05:03 <clusty> what is a canonical result?
05:03 <clusty> :D
05:04 <mweltin> I first look at the opaque field in the result, and then I know where to put the rest of the data i.e. the distance found and the date it was found.
05:04 <mweltin> yes
05:04 <mweltin> I use the opaque to link wu's to other data I want.
05:05 <clusty> nice
05:05 <mweltin> but the opaque field can be used for anything
05:05 <clusty> so basically opaque is just a uid to link all stuff together
05:05 <mweltin> that is how I use it yes
05:05 <clusty> i wanted to ask another thing:
05:05 <clusty> general boinc stuff
05:05 <mweltin> ok
05:05 <clusty> there is some executble called dir_path....blah
05:06 <mweltin> two in fact
05:06 <mweltin> but yes I know what you are talking about
05:06 <clusty> that return always $BOINC_PROJ/downloads/<some funny path>
05:06 <mweltin> you are correct
05:06 <clusty> what is it good for?
05:06 <clusty> thats the place for input files?
05:07 <clusty> to be sent to WUs?
05:07 <mweltin> well your workunit is turned into 5 results
05:07 <clusty> why 5?
05:07 <mweltin> well you can control that
05:07 <clusty> ohh
05:07 <clusty> redundancy you mean
05:07 <mweltin> ntargets
05:07 <clusty> most of time i dont need
05:08 <mweltin> yes it is a parameter you have to set when you creat a workunit
05:08 <clusty> because if matrices multiply back the ri9ght way its fine
05:08 <mweltin> unless you want 5
05:08 <clusty> yeah yeah
05:08 <clusty> remember
05:08 <mweltin> ok
05:09 <mweltin> so in your upload and download dirs you will see all those funny paths.
05:09 <clusty> so each replica of the WU has its own path?
05:09 <mweltin> almost
05:09 <clusty> i mean dir
05:09 <mweltin> the dirs can be reused.
05:10 <mweltin> but yes
05:10 <clusty> boinc manages thi stuff?
05:10 <mweltin> essenialy.
05:10 <mweltin> yes
05:10 <mweltin> don't give it a second thought.
05:10 <clusty> i just put it in _dir_blahblah and case closed
05:10 <clusty> :D
05:10 <clusty> this brings to second question: assimilation
05:10 <mweltin> it creates teh dirs and puts stuff in them and deletes stuff
05:10 <mweltin> yup
05:10 <mweltin> yes
05:11 <clusty> how do i know the path on the server where the file was placved
05:11 <clusty> the result
05:11 <clusty> say i assimilation=copy out somewhere else so the garbage collector wont trash it (case now)
05:11 <clusty> since i use trivial assimialtor
05:11 <mweltin> well did you notice that when you write an assimilator and validator for that matter you are only writting a few functions with specific names.
05:11 <clusty> yes
05:12 <clusty> inside the RESULT struct i have all my info?
05:12 <clusty> like file on disk and such?
05:12 <mweltin> well there is a ton of other code that gets compiled with that to make the final assimilator/validator.
05:12 <mweltin> that other code is managing the deletes and other BOINC specific stuff.
05:13 <clusty> so how can i know the path for of the result file?
05:13 <mweltin> its rather smart design once you get used to it.
05:13 <mweltin> you dont care
05:13 <clusty> it is i admit it
05:13 <clusty> but its a bit spagetti code :(
05:13 <mweltin> you sue a resove_file_name or seomting
05:13 <clusty> with close to 0 doc
05:13 <clusty> ok great
05:13 <mweltin> well there are a lot of developers
05:14 <mweltin> thats why there is #boinc
05:14 <clusty> and not a lot of managing :D
05:14 <clusty> problem is here we are 2-3 people that have own proj
05:14 <clusty> most are enthusiasts and just run clients
05:14 <mweltin> well for all the troubles it has I still think its awesome bit a of software.
05:14 <clusty> it sure is
05:15 <clusty> i said yesterday: boinc aint user friendly for admins
05:15 <clusty> but it does a great job
05:15 <mweltin> it could be worse
05:17 <mweltin> you can always get my source code if you want to look at something. Its not commented well at the moment but as I get more people to help me it iwll be.
05:17 <clusty> sure...
05:17 <mweltin> also YOYO is a great guy and he will often share his code with me.
05:17 <clusty> i spoke so far with Pov
05:17 <clusty> and you
05:18 <mweltin> there are few people like Pov
05:18 <clusty> mailed the dev to fix the boinc-no-finishing proiblem
05:18 <mweltin> sweet
05:18 <mweltin> and the lib conflict ?
05:18 <clusty> i dropped it
05:18 <clusty> will get back to it now
05:18 <Romulus> was born a fetus
05:18 <mweltin> email them about it.
05:18 <clusty> seems there is a lot more to work on job valid/assim
05:18 <mweltin> I don't think its us.
05:19 <clusty> i am surely
05:19 <CoderForLife> I owe... I owe... So off to w@#% I go
05:19 <clusty> pov got it to compile though
05:19 <clusty> copy paste from site
05:19 <CoderForLife> cya folks later
05:19 <clusty> aloha
05:19 <mweltin> do tons of error checking in the validator.
05:19 <mweltin> later
05:20 <mweltin> yeah pov is good that way.
05:21 <mweltin> I wonder if they do a regression test each day?
05:21 <clusty> why would they do?
05:21 <mweltin> to avoid these build problems.
05:22 <clusty> ohh well
05:22 <mweltin> I kept stepping back in revisions until it built correctly.
05:22 <mweltin> I'm going to bed, its been a long day.
05:22 <mweltin> do you have any more questions clusty?
05:23 <clusty> thanks
05:23 <clusty> this will be it :D
05:23 <Kathryn> Night Markus. Sleep well.
05:23 <clusty> will fool around with SQling a bit
05:23 <clusty> nighty night
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05:23 <mweltin> Thanks katyrn, I'd say good night but I have no idea what time it is for you.
05:24 <mweltin> good whatever Kathryn
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06:04 <wdsmia> &weather 50319
06:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: -9°F / -23°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Rest of Today - Clear. Very cold. High 10 to 15. West wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Not as cold. Low 5 to 10 above. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow in the (1 more message)
06:04 <wdsmia> &more
06:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: morning. Not as cold. High in the upper 20s. South wind 10 to 20 mph. Lowest wind chill readings 5 to 10 below in the morning.; Wind Chill Advisory for Polk County in effect until 9:00 AM CST on January 24, 2008;
06:07 <wdsmia> mornin
06:07 <Kathryn> mornin' to you too.
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06:20 <hawmps> 'lo
06:20 <Kathryn> hiya
06:20 <Romulus> "Snow Day in the top 100 hosts by RAC
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06:26 <hawmps> Hi Kat.
06:26 <hawmps> Snow day? lol
06:27 <Kathryn> cold but no snow here.
06:27 <Kathryn> oh duh
06:27 <Kathryn> never mind
06:27 <Kathryn> i'm an idiot :)
06:27 <hawmps> no, you're not..
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06:35 <hawmps> &weather Seoul KR
06:35 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 21Â°F / -6Â°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 8:30 PM KST; Clear. High:22 ° F. / -5 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:13 ° F. / -10 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:22 ° F. / -5 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:19 ° F. / -7 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:30 ° F. / -1 ° C.; Clear. Low:21 ° F. / -6 ° C.;
06:36 <hawmps> &weather Seoul, Korea
06:36 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 21Â°F / -6Â°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 8:30 PM KST; Clear. High:22 ° F. / -5 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:13 ° F. / -10 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:22 ° F. / -5 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:19 ° F. / -7 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:30 ° F. / -1 ° C.; Clear. Low:21 ° F. / -6 ° C.;
06:36 <hawmps> that can't be right... is it?
06:36 <Kathryn> For Seoul? Probably.
06:37 <Kathryn> &weather Ulsan, Korea
06:37 <Romulus> Kathryn: Temperature: 31Â°F / 0Â°C | Humidity: 14% | Pressure: 30.29in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:35 ° F. / 2 ° C.; Clear. Low:22 ° F. / -5 ° C.; Clear. High:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 ° F. / -2 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.;
06:37 <Kathryn> Ulsan's is just about right.
06:37 <hawmps> ok..
06:37 <Kathryn> My weather widget says 29F
06:37 <hawmps> 12.6 here..
06:37 <hawmps> plenty cold..
06:37 <Kathryn> yup
06:37 <wdsmia> &weather 50319
06:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: -9°F / -23°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Rest of Today - Clear. Very cold. High 10 to 15. West wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Not as cold. Low 5 to 10 above. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow in the (1 more message)
06:37 <wdsmia> &more
06:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: morning. Not as cold. High in the upper 20s. South wind 10 to 20 mph. Lowest wind chill readings 5 to 10 below in the morning.; Wind Chill Advisory for Polk County in effect until 9:00 AM CST on January 24, 2008;
06:37 <Romulus> nah. I've never done that..............
06:38 <Kathryn> Not as cold. High in the upper 20s :-)
06:38 <Kathryn> Reminds me of home.
06:38 <Kathryn> &weather 44137
06:38 <Romulus> Kathryn: Temperature: 21°F / -6°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Snow showers likely this morning...then scattered snow showers this afternoon. Snow accumulation of 1 to locally 3 inches. Highs in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the (1 more message)
06:38 <Kathryn> &more
06:38 <Romulus> Kathryn: evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows 10 to 15 above. West winds 10 to 20 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 20s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Cuyahoga County in effect until 9:00 AM EST on January 24, 2008;
06:38 <hawmps> Doug gets his weather from "Frostbite Falls"
06:39 <hawmps> &zipinfo 44137
06:39 <Romulus> hawmps: City: Maple Heights; State: OH; County: Cuyahoga; Area Code: 216; Time Zone: EST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 41.4092 (North); Longitude: 81.5624 (West)
06:39 <Kathryn> Not too far from the lake.
06:39 <hawmps> oHIo
06:40 <Kathryn> lol
06:40 <wdsmia> Frostbite and Falls are not two words we want to put togetter today
06:44 <hawmps> cool - made the national clearchannel newsletter...
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09:00 <wdsmia_> its getting colder :(
09:01 <wdsmia_> -11 F now
09:03 <FauxFaux> You people get all the pro weather.
09:07 <PriitM_> it's getting colder here as well and we're getting finally some decent amount of snow
09:11 <PriitM_> &weather Tallinn
09:11 <Romulus> PriitM_: Temperature: 30Â°F / -1Â°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Heavy Snow | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 3:20 PM EET; Light Freezing Rain. High:37 ° F. / 3 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:37 ° F. / 3 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:33 ° F. / 1 ° C.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 ° F. / (1 more message)
09:12 <wdsmia_> &more PriitM_
09:12 <Romulus> wdsmia_: -2 ° C.;
09:14 * FauxFaux sits here with it sunny, window wide open, +4. :)
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09:34 <clusty> PovAddict, povie. welcome back from vacation
09:34 <clusty> think you will be nicely surprised we all missed you :d
09:40 <hawmps> well.. 'pete' now running at 2.7GHz in a nice cool spot..
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09:59 <andresgr__> kind of funny this credit thing... i get the same with my old P600 than with my dual-core with 6GB of RAM :)
09:59 <andresgr__> it only counts "how many time your computer, tiny or big, has been working"
10:06 <clusty> not very smart. why is it not computing using the estimated flops or something
10:06 <clusty> a step in the right direction :D
10:10 <andresgr__> agreed
10:12 <clusty> but i dont think any project admin cares much L:D
10:12 <clusty> i at least wont for a long time
10:12 <clusty> but i realize that it motivates some people
10:12 <clusty> showing up in rankings
10:12 <clusty> and getting pretty graphics as screensaver
10:39 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007
10:39 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 28.5°F / -1.9°C | Humidity: 51% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1003.6hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny early...then becoming partly sunny. Highs 35 to 40. East wind 5 to 15 mph except 15 to 30 mph with gusts to 40 mph near The Gorge.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then partly cloudy. Lows around 25. East wind 5 to 15 (1 more message)
10:39 <Tank_Master> &more
10:39 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mph except east 20 to 30 mph near The Gorge.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs around 40. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph except east 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.;
10:46 <hawmps> wow - pete popped up to 5217 credits/day
10:55 <wdsmia_> lol - I think we have a intel convert
10:55 <Romulus> I dual boot system with a large trout
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11:47 <PovAddict> &seen mweltin
11:47 <Romulus> PovAddict: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <mweltin> good whatever Kathryn
11:48 <hawmps> he was on the late shift...
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12:59 <quail> g'morning all
13:00 <wdsmia_w> afternoon quail
13:00 <Romulus> what did you get it, depending on how to set permissions through the BOINC wiki at boinc.berkeley.edu.
13:00 <quail> wdsmia_w: how are you going Doug?
13:01 <wdsmia_w> doing ok at work and eating lunch
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13:01 <quail> :-)
13:04 <hawmps> 'lo Q
13:06 <quail> hiya Jay, how are you?
13:14 <seth_afk> >;o
13:14 <seth_afk> dad stole the mouse
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13:14 <sethy_afk\> kwtf
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13:16 <wdsmia_w> next time dad needs to steal the keyboard :P
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13:16 <sethy> thats why its dvorak :)
13:16 <sethy> so he will avoid it
13:16 <wdsmia_w> lol
13:17 <sethy> but he stole my laptop one
13:17 <sethy> ;_;
13:17 <Romulus> LOL...yeah, I don't like
13:17 <sethy> me too
13:17 <quail> and after that he''l take the monitor, and leave a note in its place saying 'now your stuffed' :-P
13:18 <sethy> tnen i'll steal his car and post a letter saying 'gotcha back though :P'
13:18 <quail> hehe
13:18 <sethy> he's lazy like that
13:19 <quail> :-(
13:19 <hawmps> sheesh...
13:22 * quail sort of glad I got a reasonable amount of sleep last night, but I am getting sick of ths waking up at anywhere between 3-5 aam in the morning
13:32 <quail> NBC Today just had the Mac Pro Air on there show, the laptop looks nice but bit to damn thin for me, I'd worry about slapping it
13:35 <c0dewarrior> I'd rather worry about you having slapping urges!
13:35 <quail> sorry snapping it
13:35 <c0dewarrior> lol
13:36 <quail> I not woken up yet this morning fully
13:37 <quail> how are you c0dewarrior ?
13:37 <c0dewarrior> reasonably well thanks, yourself?
13:37 <quail> fair to muddling
13:37 <c0dewarrior> bbiab, grub
13:37 <quail> k
13:38 <quail> I have been bit cranky this week as I have not been getting alot of sleep and been waking up very early in the morning and not being able to fall back to sleep
13:52 <hawmps> the meds are a pest, eh?
13:55 <quail> yeah, and when I am a sleep I have a restless sleep and the wierdest dreams too
13:55 <hawmps> I bet you do..
14:00 <quail> I might have to go back to my doctor and see what he can do, and it waste time me taking sleeping pills cause they not work on me
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14:22 <wdsmia_w> &ping
14:22 <Romulus> pong
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14:43 <quail> hiya BadBarbarian[a]
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15:33 <quail> wdsmia_w: nice one :-P
15:34 * wdsmia_w hates auto-away
15:35 <quail> ditto
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15:53 <xcamel> re-hi
15:53 <MTughan> &math calc 16.5 / 0.666
15:53 <Romulus> MTughan: 24.7747747748
15:53 <MTughan> Cool... 'lo Jay
15:53 <MTughan> &math calc 16.5 / 0.67
15:53 <Romulus> MTughan: 24.6268656716
15:53 <MTughan> Not much difference...
15:54 <MTughan> Wow... SETI's already has WUs due in mid-March.
15:55 <xcamel> 'lo Mike
15:57 <MTughan> Farthest away is a 6h WU due on March 17th.
15:57 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
15:57 <MTughan> o_O
15:57 <MTughan> Oh, "fart" in farthest.
15:57 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
15:57 <MTughan> :P
15:58 <MTughan> wdsmia_w: Something for you to work on.
15:58 <quail> wdsmia_w: may I have a copy of that script please
15:59 <MTughan> I've got my own script that's not quite a restrictive as his, and does a little better job of parsing. For XChat if you want it.
16:00 <quail> MTughan: I'll have a look at thanks
16:01 <quail> MTughan: I will get it to work with irssi and give you a copy back
16:02 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/swear.pl Warning, language. :P
16:03 <MTughan> On line 20, you'll have to modify it, because it only checks for #boinc-credit right now.
16:04 <MTughan> I should've made that dynamic...
16:05 <wdsmia_w> mtughan Something for you to work on.
16:05 <MTughan> Yep, and I'm actually working on it.
16:06 <Romulus> think in pedantic mode it cries
16:06 <quail> MTughan: thanks I just wget'ed it
16:08 <MTughan> There. wget it again, would you?
16:08 * wdsmia_w works on some stale java links to Oracle DB
16:08 <MTughan> Chat room to check is now a variable.
16:09 <MTughan> Dunno if it'd make your job any easier, but it's more portable for XChat now.
16:12 <quail> it should not be to hard to convert to irssi
16:12 <MTughan> What language does it use?
16:13 <quail> perl
16:13 <MTughan> Ah, so you just have to convert some of the terms. Cool.
16:13 <quail> yep
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16:15 <MTughan> Hmm... My script actually works on the "server incoming" signal from XChat (the only one available) so most of the logic can probably stay.
16:17 <MTughan> The equivalent mode in Irssi, I mean. That's "server incoming".
16:19 <infinisoft> Hello
16:20 <MTughan> Hey infinisoft.
16:28 <xcamel> looks like 6.x is getting a little closer to 'prime time'
16:33 <MTughan> Cool.
16:33 <xcamel> not ready to make the switch yet...
16:36 <MTughan> Factoids for windows and windows64 updated to 5.10.39.
16:36 <MTughan> &windows
16:36 <Romulus> MTughan: "windows" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_windows_intelx86.exe
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16:40 <quail> &linux
16:40 <Romulus> quail: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_ubuntu_5.10.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
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17:01 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Are you able to update DepSpid?
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17:06 <FreeLarry58> humm just noted that my quad past the new c2d i have even tho the duo had a one week head start and 9K credit to start with when i brought the quad on line
17:06 <FreeLarry58> 14 days not bad
17:06 <Romulus> 2008-01-15 10:56:12.9590 [PID=2642 ] [normal ] [HOST#1] [RESULT#34 1svd5_0] got result (DB: server_state=4 outcome=0 client_state=0 validate_state=0 delete_state=0)
17:07 <MTughan> &math calc 17 / 0.693
17:07 <Romulus> MTughan: 24.531024531
17:08 <MTughan> &math calc 40 - [math calc 17 / 0.693]
17:08 <Romulus> MTughan: 15.468975469
17:08 <MTughan> That's a fairly significant savings just for enabling SSEx in an app...
17:09 <wdsmia_w> about time to clean the coffee cup and go home... bbl
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17:10 <FreeLarry58> arg time for shower and commute to /*-+
17:12 <MTughan> lol, swap time.
17:14 <xcamel> anyway...
17:16 <CoderForLife> hello folks
17:16 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
17:16 <CoderForLife> _o/ MTughan
17:16 <xcamel> Hi Don
17:16 <CoderForLife> hello Jay
17:18 <CoderForLife> my /var/log/messages on F8 is remarkably quiet and error-free
17:20 <CoderForLife> it's a happy box
17:20 <PovAddict> heh
17:20 <PovAddict> _o/
17:20 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict =)
17:21 <CoderForLife> wow huge QMC wus
17:21 <PovAddict> :o
17:22 <PovAddict> I might give QMC a bit more CPU time :)
17:22 * PovAddict attaches
17:22 <CoderForLife> 30 hours done, 428 to go
17:22 <PovAddict> 24/01/2008 20:22:17|QMC@HOME|Sending scheduler request: Project initialization. Requesting 1 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
17:23 <PovAddict> downloading ~3MB of stuff
17:23 <CoderForLife> I have 4 wus running on my main server
17:23 <CoderForLife> all 4 are 458 hours each
17:23 <PovAddict> finished downloading; 22h 23m estimate, but hasn't started
17:24 <CoderForLife> maybe it should be renamed QMCPDN
17:24 <PovAddict> lol
17:39 <xcamel> 'lo PoV
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17:46 <CoderForLife> off to become CoderOnTheCouch
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17:48 <mweltin> I'm still having some work generator build issues. I was told by DA to build with just libsched.a and not libsched.a and libboinc.a .
17:49 <mweltin> what is odd is that the build line for the sample_work_generator in boinc_trunk/sched links in both libsched.a and libboinc.a
17:49 <MTughan> So it's a badly written example then.
17:50 <mweltin> well if I dont link libboinc.a I get a page and a half of undefined references.
17:50 <MTughan> &echo SSEx GA will take about [math calc 17 / 0.693] hours instead of the estimated 39h50m.
17:50 <Romulus> SSEx GA will take about 24.531024531 hours instead of the estimated 39h50m.
17:50 <mweltin> nice
17:50 <MTughan> Anyway...
17:50 <Romulus> I wonder why software updater hasn't picked it up...
17:51 * TMatWork makes note not to hit the power button on accident
17:51 <mweltin> my boinc_trunk still doesnt'build
17:51 <MTughan> mweltin: What undefined references? Just one example will do.
17:51 <mweltin> I wonder if its my set up
17:53 <mweltin> boinc_touch_file
17:53 <mweltin> dir_hier_path
17:53 <mweltin> tons of xmlparser errors as well
17:53 <TMatWork> im outa here
17:53 <TMatWork> c-ya guys later
17:53 <MTughan> boinc_touch_file is only in libboinc.a... Where's it from?
17:53 <MTughan> cya TMatWork.
17:54 <mweltin> later
17:54 <mweltin> tring to build my work generator with just libsched.a and not libboinc.a
17:55 <PovAddict> and what if you use both
17:55 <MTughan> Object naming clash.
17:55 <PovAddict> "make clean all" boinc_trunk
17:55 <MTughan> Specifically, APP, APP_VERSION, RESULT, and WORKUNIT. They're different objects for libboinc and libsched, but they're the same name.
17:56 <PovAddict> or are they?
17:56 <MTughan> And that won't help. I checked the source files on rev 14614.
17:56 <PovAddict> are they different objects, or the same .o on both libs?
17:56 <mweltin> I ran make distclean
17:56 <MTughan> Different objects.
17:56 <MTughan> Check their instance variables and methods, they're different.
17:57 <MTughan> api/gui_rpc_client.h and db/boinc_db.h
17:57 <MTughan> They are actually two different objects with the same name.
17:58 <PovAddict> hmm
17:58 <PovAddict> gui_rpc_client gets built into libboinc?
17:58 <MTughan> Yep.
17:58 <mweltin> I have revision 14622
17:58 <MTughan> The code's in gui_rpc_client_ops.C if you were wondering.
17:59 <mweltin> just updated today and get a linking error in sched
17:59 <mweltin> after running make clean all
17:59 <MTughan> Yeah, sched/Makefile.am was updated...
17:59 <mweltin> re configuring and running make all
17:59 <mweltin> I just updated today
17:59 <mweltin> Revision: 14622
18:00 <MTughan> 14622, yeah. I just updated now.
18:00 <PovAddict> if the .am was modified, you need to re-run ./autosetup
18:00 <mweltin> oh
18:00 <MTughan> api/Makefile.am was updated too.
18:00 <PovAddict> am = automake
18:00 <mweltin> ok
18:01 <xcamel> or .amu = automuckitup
18:01 <mweltin> I'm going to clean everything again and start from scratch
18:01 <mweltin> you don't like gnu build tools xcamel?
18:01 <xcamel> it was a joke...
18:01 <PovAddict> xcamel: autoconf/automake/etc are usually known as "autohell tools"
18:01 <PovAddict> (by those who hate them)
18:02 <mweltin> ah, Pov is not a fan
18:02 <PovAddict> *I* don't have anything against them
18:02 <xcamel> pov isn't an air conditioner either.
18:02 <PovAddict> lol
18:02 <mweltin> you suggested I don't use them, when I mentioned I may try to use the gnu build tools.
18:03 <MTughan> That was xcamel, who doesn't like them.
18:03 <MTughan> You can try and use them, sure.
18:04 <PovAddict> I'd rather write my own makefile than read the big automake manual, write an .am file, and end up with a generated makefile that I can't even read
18:05 <mweltin> yes I see your point
18:06 <MTughan> It's nice for Mac, as Apple has a standard set of libraries. It's harder on Linux where you have so many variables.
18:06 <MTughan> Well, as long as you have Xcode installed for GCC.
18:07 <PovAddict> MTughan: any idea how to do compositing modes like "add" and "multiply" on gimp?
18:07 <MTughan> What tool?
18:07 <PovAddict> ie. add pixel values, instead of the usual alpha
18:08 <PovAddict> I used to have an old version of Paint Shop Pro that had a dozen settings for layers, and it could also do arithmetic between different open images
18:09 <MTughan> I know if you go into most tools, you can change the mode. Multiply I saw right away...
18:09 <MTughan> You want to combine layers?
18:09 <PovAddict> yeah
18:09 <PovAddict> *adding* the pixel colors
18:09 <MTughan> Open the Layers window, Ctrl-L.
18:09 <PovAddict> I got it open
18:10 <MTughan> On the top of that window, it'll say Mode. Choose one from there.
18:10 <PovAddict> ...
18:10 * PovAddict slaps himself
18:10 <PovAddict> I like totally missed that box
18:10 <MTughan> I figured.
18:11 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm being told I have a hungry cat. bbiab
18:15 <mweltin> just rebuilt everything and I get the same error when I build with both libs, and now I'll try with just sched.
18:16 <mweltin> same errors as before.
18:18 <xcamel> oh.. there is such a nasty joke buried in that...
18:18 <MTughan> Yeah, it's not a building issue, as Pov might like to think. It's a source issue.
18:19 <PovAddict> are you criticising me?
18:19 <PovAddict> :P
18:19 <MTughan> No, I'm criticizing BOINC source.
18:19 <mweltin> my source or boinc source?
18:19 <mweltin> oh
18:19 <FauxFaux> PovAddict wrote boinc by himself, though, MTughan.
18:20 <PovAddict> FauxFaux: no I didn't
18:20 <MTughan> No he didn't. He's not that crappy.
18:20 <PovAddict> (yet)
18:20 <MTughan> I know he wants to rewrite it from scratch though.
18:20 <FauxFaux> Hee hee. :)
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18:21 <mweltin> I don't read the dev list, has there been any talk about my problem there?
18:25 <mweltin> I didn't see anything in there, should I post to that list?
18:26 <MTughan> I would assume that's where it would be discussed and no, there's nothing. PovAddict, are you going to post there or should mweltin?
18:26 <PovAddict> the only posts about the topic have been DA and mweltin on boinc_projects
18:27 <MTughan> Hmm... That list doesn't seem to be on pipermail.
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18:27 <MTughan> I thought you were going to be CoderOnTheCouch...
18:28 <MTughan> Ah.
18:28 <mweltin> and DA's advice was odd, in that the sample_work_generator links both. Which is confusing, I'm not sure why I don't get an error when that is built.
18:29 <mweltin> thats why I think it could still be my code, but if so why would it work in the old system and not the new one.
18:29 <mweltin> same code
18:30 <mweltin> I have to get some lunch
18:30 <mweltin> I'll be back later
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18:34 <MTughan> Cool... Subscribed to the mailing lists under a Google IMAP account. Seems cool.
18:34 <MTughan> Anyway, dinner time.
18:38 <xcamel> enjoy..
18:51 * CoderOnTheCouch yawns
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19:00 <xcamel> slacker..
19:01 <CoderOnTheCouch> the best of both worlds
19:03 <xcamel> :-)
19:05 <CoderOnTheCouch> popcorn and PHP
19:05 <xcamel> cookies and C++
19:06 <wdsmia> Beer and sci-fi
19:06 <xcamel> you win.
19:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> lol
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19:36 <quail> ah thank god the shopping is over and done with and packed away, time to chill out and watch 'Kokoda with Heart' on the moronoscope
19:36 <Romulus> you put caps on your desktop. Move it to turn on..
19:36 <MTughan> lol, nice name.
19:37 <quail> what?
19:37 <MTughan> "moronoscope"
19:38 <quail> moronoscope = television
19:38 <quail> well moronoscope = glass tube television
19:41 * CoderOnTheCouch sits in front of the electron gun
19:41 * MTughan prefers the flat ones
19:41 <MTughan> LCDs for me right now. We still have a CRT TV.
19:41 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm watching the Dam program
19:42 <MTughan> You're short one letter. "N". xD
19:42 <CoderOnTheCouch> you're right - one letter short - "Dams"
19:43 <CoderOnTheCouch> The History Channel - Modern Marvels - Dams
19:43 <MTughan> Dams are always a cool subject. Didn't know History had anything on them though. Sounds more like Discovery.
19:44 <CoderOnTheCouch> Next - The Mayan Doomsday Calendar
19:44 <xcamel> 12/21/2012
19:44 * CoderOnTheCouch decides to stop the PHP business hours function he's Coding, and work on doomsday
19:46 <CoderOnTheCouch> Just think of the potential sales the following day, xcamel
19:47 <CoderOnTheCouch> "When the end of the world comes, I want to be in Cincinnati because it's always twenty years behind the times." - Mark Twain
19:48 * CoderOnTheCouch looks for his Muse
19:48 <CoderOnTheCouch> I've lost my Coding Muse this evening
19:50 <Soul_keeper> muse == mojo ?
19:51 <CoderOnTheCouch> Greek versus African
19:52 <efc> my muse started selling itself on the street years ago
19:52 <Soul_keeper> whatever ...
19:52 <CoderOnTheCouch> street walker
19:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> I've gone in search of my Muse
19:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> goodnight
19:54 <efc> At least she's bringing in some money now. Every time Nashville needs to churn out another hit I make $5
19:54 <xcamel> Nubian Queen VS Helen of Troy?
19:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> lol yeah Jay - something along that line
19:55 <CoderOnTheCouch> of course, Troy wasn't downtown Hellenistic culture
19:55 <CoderOnTheCouch> cya folks
19:55 <MTughan> Bye.
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19:56 <xcamel> Got to say it.. the most beautiful woman I ever saw was Ethiopian, and working in Minneapolis
19:56 <xcamel> face to face, that is..
19:56 <FauxFaux> Dude, watch more po.. okay, I'll let you off. =p
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20:00 <efc> Last night on ABC they covered the Adult Film Awards
20:00 <efc> The award names were.. Best Actor, Best Actress, then
20:00 <efc> Best *****, Best ********, Best ****
20:00 <efc> they couldn't print the names of 90% of the awards
20:00 * MTughan is listening to Canadian Idiot by Weird Al Yankovic from Straight Outta Lynwood
20:00 <Tank_Master> lol
20:00 <MTughan> Great song... :P
20:01 <xcamel> weird Al is funny as hell..
20:01 <MTughan> lol on the awards.
20:01 <Romulus> Anyway, I have written it down is chron::makewhatis
20:01 <MTughan> Apparently we want to drive a Zamboni all over Saskatchewan. xD
20:01 <xcamel> best **** with a double **** while executing a *** splitting **** *** ....
20:02 <xcamel> and her name was "Lotta Gue"
20:02 <efc> I guess the writer's strike didn't shut them down
20:03 <efc> You just randomly combine phrases like "Pool Boy" and "UPS guy" and you have all the script required
20:06 <xcamel> is it illegal for porn to have a plot?
20:06 <PovAddict> lol
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20:07 <efc> US Title 16 Section 601 (b)
20:14 <MTughan> &math convert 59000 seconds to hours
20:14 <Romulus> MTughan: 16.3888888889
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20:14 * PovAddict plays with an open source image stitcher and holiday pictures
20:15 <PovAddict> fank thuck it's multithreaded... it's *slow*
20:18 <xcamel> sign on the wall of my advertising managers office (he is also a taxidermist)
20:18 <xcamel> "Have A Pheasant Plucking Day"
20:19 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007
20:19 <Tank_Master> &more
20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.
20:19 <Tank_Master> &more
20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.
20:19 <Tank_Master> &more
20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.
20:19 <PovAddict> lol
20:19 <Tank_Master> &more
20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.
20:19 <PovAddict> wait for the weather to appear first
20:19 <Tank_Master> &more
20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.
20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 34.3°F / 1.3°C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1005.6hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then partly cloudy. Lows around 25. East wind 5 to 15 mph...except east wind 25 to 35 mph near The Gorge.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs around 40. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph...except east wind 15 to 25 mph (1 more message)
20:19 <Tank_Master> &more
20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: near The Gorge.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy. Lows around 30. Light wind...except east wind 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.;
20:19 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: stfu
20:20 <Tank_Master> frikin bot
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20:23 <Romulus> slaps Tank_Master
20:24 <PovAddict> xcamel: can you use &action?
20:24 <xcamel> network is a bit hammered at the moment
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20:25 * Tank_Master bites Romulus
20:29 <xcamel> lol:
20:29 <xcamel> Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.
20:29 <Romulus> it has a cup holder :)
20:31 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout
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20:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: Would the BOINC libraries slow an application down if they were compiled with optimizations?
20:35 <MTughan> Oh, and the app is compiled with optimizations, but it's going a bit slower on some machines than before.
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20:37 <xcamel> &weather 12074
20:37 <wdsmia> LHC....Get them while there Hot
20:37 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 12.3°F / -10.9°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then clearing. Lows around 5 above. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Not as cool with lows around 15. West winds (1 more message)
20:37 <xcamel> &more
20:37 <Romulus> xcamel: 5 to 10 mph.;
20:37 <PovAddict> wdsmia: w00t
20:37 <PovAddict> got one actually
20:38 <MTughan> Got two right away.
20:38 <MTughan> Anyway, PovAddict: Could the BOINC libraries without opt slow down an app with opt?
20:38 <PovAddict> I don't think so
20:39 <sethy> i do
20:39 <MTughan> Would it hurt it any to try?
20:39 <sethy> no
20:39 <sethy> it never hurts to try
20:41 <MTughan> PovAddict: http://personals.ac.upc.edu/alvarez/media/gcc-ppc-altivec.html The author of the page, Mauricio Alvarez. Any relation?
20:42 <PovAddict> no
20:42 <PovAddict> and based on the email address, he's from spain
20:42 <MTughan> Stab in the dark, sorry.
20:44 <xcamel> never any for linux..
20:45 <wdsmia> looks like a really short run
20:45 <MTughan> PovAddict: Know what SBE extensions for PPC are? And what the ABI is?
20:46 <PovAddict> ABI is the application binary interface
20:47 <MTughan> Sorry, not SBE. SPE.
20:47 <zombie67> lhc has work
20:47 <PovAddict> if you change a method name, you would break apps compiling with your code, because you changed the API
20:47 <MTughan> Yeah, Doug told us already.
20:47 <PovAddict> but there are more subtle things that could break the ABI
20:48 <zombie67> ah
20:48 <zombie67> wb pov
20:48 <PovAddict> like changing the *order* of methods... or using a different compiler (!)
20:48 <MTughan> Because the man entry for gcc says that if I enable Altivec for PPC, I should extend the ABI with Altivec extensions.
20:50 <zombie67> SPE is what is in PS3
20:51 <PovAddict> may be a different SPE
20:51 <PovAddict> oh, not :)
20:51 <PovAddict> MTughan: the Cell processor (as in the PS3) is PowerPC, so the SPE extensions are to use the SPE "sub-processors", you don't need that for a plain old Mac
20:51 <MTughan> Ah, okay.
20:52 <zombie67> see, i'm not completely useless
20:52 <zombie67> ;)
20:52 <MTughan> I knew the PS3 used Cell processors and that they were from PPCs, but I didn't make the connection.
20:52 <Romulus> wow in the turrent or not
20:52 <MTughan> xcamel: Turned that damned markov off, would you?
20:52 <PovAddict> NO
20:52 <PovAddict> it's fun
20:52 <PovAddict> \o/
20:53 <MTughan> Hmm... Should I be linking with pthread?
20:53 <PovAddict> yes, you need pthreads on unix boinc apps
20:53 <MTughan> For the end app?
20:53 <MTughan> This is TSP BTW.
20:58 <MTughan> What the heck, probably won't change anything.
20:58 <PovAddict> for optimizing the BOINC API, I just use -O1
20:59 <PovAddict> activates the obvious, simple, and sure optimizations
20:59 <MTughan> Oh, I'm already compiling -O3. :P
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20:59 <PovAddict> no tradeoffs with code size; O1 optimizations make it a bit faster and maybe even a bit smaller
21:00 <MTughan> Well I can use Apple's -Os then. Optimize as much as possible but don't sacrifice code sie.
21:00 <MTughan> size*
21:00 <PovAddict> I thought Os was "make it as small as possible, even if that makes it slower"
21:00 <MTughan> I don't think so.
21:00 <MTughan> I believe there is another option to do that.
21:01 <MTughan> -Oz
21:01 <MTughan> And that's Apple only. "Optimize for size, regardless of performance."
21:02 <MTughan> -Os is not Apple only. "Optimize for size, but not at the expense of speed. "
21:03 <MTughan> -O2 "Optimize even more. GCC performs nearly all supported optimizations that do not involve a space-speed tradeoff."
21:04 <MTughan> Hmm.. -fast "Optimize for maximum performance."
21:05 <MTughan> Require a bit more than that because of some of the options it uses, but looks nice.
21:05 <PovAddict> O3 involves space-speed tradeoffs
21:05 <zombie67> i pick "fastest regardless of size"
21:06 <PovAddict> which in some cases *might* make things slower, due to code caches and stuff
21:06 <zombie67> esp. now tha not on AS
21:06 <xcamel> that used to work pretty good for me -- when I could still build it.
21:06 <MTughan> So -O2 or -fast?
21:06 <PovAddict> don't even care for the API
21:06 <PovAddict> make it unoptimized and it will be good enough
21:07 <MTughan> I'll leave it now, as I've already compiled with -O3.
21:07 <MTughan> If I do it again, I'll use -O1.
21:07 <MTughan> Should I bother to turn on SSEx/Altivec for the BOINC API?
21:08 <PovAddict> not for the API
21:08 <MTughan> Okay.
21:08 <PovAddict> the app spends too little time on that code for you to bother
21:09 <MTughan> But would -O2 or -fast work better for the app itself?
21:09 <PovAddict> oh definitely
21:09 <zombie67> so why no faster with -03?
21:10 <zombie67> or even slower?
21:10 <MTughan> This is where I'm looking: http://developer.apple.com/DOCUMENTATION/DeveloperTools/gcc-4.0.1/gcc/Optimize-Options.html#Optimize-Options
21:10 <MTughan> -fast might be even faster than -O3.
21:10 <MTughan> However, it also has a greater chance of inflating the code, right?
21:10 <PovAddict> yep
21:10 <PovAddict> things like loop unrolling may happen there
21:11 <MTughan> The compilation is short enough that I can play around a bit.
21:11 <MTughan> So I'll check with the current -O3, then try -O2 and -fast.
21:11 <PovAddict> silly bot
21:11 <PovAddict> &factoids info #boinc macintosh
21:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: Key "macintosh" is not locked and has 1 factoid associated with it: #1 was added by MTughan at 11:30 PM, January 21, 2008
21:11 <PovAddict> note the censored word :P
21:11 <MTughan> Yeah, I've seen that before.
21:12 <PovAddict> &whatis macintosh
21:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: "macintosh" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.38_macOSX_universal.zip
21:12 <MTughan> I had that problem with my censor script for #boinc-credit before.
21:12 <PovAddict> &factoids change macintosh http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_macOSX_universal.zip
21:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 'http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_macOSX_universal.zip' is not a valid key id.
21:12 <MTughan> Oh, I guess you missed that actually...
21:12 <PovAddict> hmm?
21:12 <MTughan> The BOINC credit discussion?
21:12 <Romulus> i sent to I add my mysqld to start and stop path.
21:13 <PovAddict> well I saw some of the logs, your change on the wiki announcing it, Bryan's post on the mailing list, etc
21:13 <MTughan> Ah.
21:13 <PovAddict> I did miss the discussion itself, yeah
21:13 <MTughan> Yep, we knew that.
21:13 <PovAddict> anyway, my 'hmm?' was about the factoid change error
21:13 <PovAddict> &help factoids change
21:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
21:13 <MTughan> lol
21:13 <PovAddict> ^ ^ plus that I can't check the syntax
21:13 <xcamel> PoV.. ya mind not frakking the bot?
21:13 <MTughan> &help factoids change
21:13 <Romulus> MTughan: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
21:14 <MTughan> xcamel!
21:14 <Tank_Master> lol
21:14 <PovAddict> xcamel: it was already broken when I came to try updating that factoid
21:14 <MTughan> You're the bot's admin. 0:)
21:14 <xcamel> macintosh is not a key
21:14 <xcamel> OSX is
21:15 <PovAddict> when I do "factoids info #boinc macintosh" it says "Key 'macintosh' is not locked and has 1 factoid"
21:15 <PovAddict> so looks like it is a key
21:15 <xcamel> then you frakked the db
21:15 <MTughan> lol
21:16 <PovAddict> I haven't edited any factoid
21:16 <PovAddict> ...because it didn't let me, and I can't even check help to see what I'm doing wrong
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21:17 <xcamel> Romulus, learn macintosh as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_macOSX_universal.zip
21:17 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.
21:17 <xcamel> &macintosh
21:17 <Romulus> xcamel: "macintosh" could be (#1) http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.38_macOSX_universal.zip, or (#2) http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_macOSX_universal.zip
21:17 <PovAddict> that's why I was trying to use 'change'
21:18 <xcamel> what were you trying to fix
21:18 <PovAddict> I was trying to change the mac URL to point to the new version
21:18 <PovAddict> any idea what's up with 'help' on factoid commands?
21:21 <xcamel> there is a input script error
21:21 <xcamel> to late to look it up now...
21:22 <PovAddict> ok, deleted both, adding again
21:22 <PovAddict> Romulus, learn macintosh as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_macOSX_universal.zip
21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
21:22 <PovAddict> &macintosh
21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: "macintosh" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_macOSX_universal.zip
21:22 <PovAddict> now I figured what the error was when I tried 'change'...
21:22 <xcamel> &help macintosh
21:22 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: There is no command "macintosh".
21:22 <xcamel> &whatis macintosh
21:22 <Romulus> xcamel: "macintosh" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_macOSX_universal.zip
21:23 <xcamel> working correctly now
21:23 <PovAddict> &win64
21:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: "win64" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.35_windows_x86_64.exe
21:23 <MTughan> Hey, I updated those earlier today.
21:23 <PovAddict> &factoids change win64 1 http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_windows_x86_64.exe
21:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 'http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_windows_x86_64.exe' is not a valid regular expression.
21:23 <xcamel> &random
21:23 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, MoobotFactoids, Quote, and QuoteGrabs plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
21:23 <PovAddict> oh nice
21:23 <PovAddict> &factoids change win64 1 s/35/39/
21:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
21:24 <xcamel> &win64
21:24 <Romulus> xcamel: "win64" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.39_windows_x86_64.exe
21:24 <xcamel> close enough
21:26 <PovAddict> linux versions are outdated...
21:27 <MTughan> And GCC needs to work on it's size optimizations...
21:27 <xcamel> &linux
21:27 <Romulus> xcamel: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_ubuntu_5.10.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
21:27 <MTughan> The smallest code sizes were achieved by -fast and -O3.
21:27 <PovAddict> xcamel: the factoids are OK, it's the releases that are outdated... *pokes Rom*
21:27 <PovAddict> :)
21:28 <Romulus> yuck sounds like a glade equivalent to WX?
21:29 <xcamel> indeed
21:29 <PovAddict> I should add "as usual"
21:30 <xcamel> someday I'll figure out how to make the MooBot work..
21:30 <PovAddict> moobot?
21:30 <xcamel> grabs the short answers from the web, if you let it
21:32 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 871643 (at www.pastebin.ca)
21:32 <MTughan> First is what opts were used. Second is code size.
21:35 <MTughan> That's compiling GA in TSP for i686-apple-darwin. API libraries were not affected.
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21:55 <mweltin> PovAddict, to try to figure out whats wrong I started to ues sample_work_generator.C as an example.
21:56 <mweltin> I have commented out all my code and only left the initialization block
21:56 <mweltin> and i still get an error
21:56 <mweltin> /home/boinc/boinc_trunk/sched/libsched.a(boinc_db.o)(.text+0xaaa): In function `DB_PLATFORM::db_parse(char**&)':
21:56 <mweltin> ../db/boinc_db.C:132: undefined reference to `strlcpy(char*, char const*, unsigned int)'
21:58 <mweltin> am I missing a header file or something.
21:58 <MTughan> Uh... I've got strcpy2 there...
21:59 <Romulus> so after I enter in a bathroom one day
22:11 <MTughan> Cool... LHC is still making work.
22:12 <wdsmia> looks like 8k pause 8k more ect
22:28 <MTughan> PovAddict: Can you join #tsp for a sec? Talking about PPC/Linux.
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22:58 <MTughan> &math calc 2 ** 6
22:58 <Romulus> MTughan: 64
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23:03 <PovAddict> &math calc 1000 / 2.156
23:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: 463.821892393
23:05 <PovAddict> &math calc 1000 / 3
23:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: 333.333333333
23:05 <PovAddict> &math calc 1000 / 3.172
23:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: 315.25851198
23:06 <infinisoft> Hmm
23:07 <PovAddict> benchmarking :)
23:07 <infinisoft> Wondering how to make a Primegrid top teams
23:08 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(2)*2*1000
23:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2828.42712475
23:08 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(2*1000)
23:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: 44.72135955
23:09 <PovAddict> lolwtf
23:09 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(2000**2+2000**2)
23:09 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2828.42712475
23:09 <PovAddict> oh so it was right...
23:09 <MTughan> sqrt(2000) == sqrt(1000)*sqrt(2)
23:09 <Romulus> took some stuff from source. I want people to be a global something
23:10 <PovAddict> I have a square
23:10 <MTughan> sqrt(2)*2000 == sqrt(2*2000**2)
23:10 <PovAddict> with a circle centered inside
23:10 <PovAddict> the circle is the size of the square, so it touches the edges
23:10 <Soul_keeper> is it possible to compile a windows binary on linux ?
23:10 <PovAddict> what size does it have to be to touch the *corners*?
23:10 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: yes it is, you need a cross-compiler
23:10 <Soul_keeper> something other than gcc ?
23:11 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: gcc can be compiled to target a different platform
23:11 <MTughan> Although it's not exactly easy...
23:12 <PovAddict> you can even compile gcc on machine A so that it runs on machine B and creates executables for machine C (all different OS or CPU type)
23:12 <MTughan> Although machine A needs its own cross-compiler then.
23:12 <PovAddict> yep
23:14 <Soul_keeper> so give me an example command
23:14 <PovAddict> there is no "example command"
23:14 <Soul_keeper> gcc -lm -o lspi lspi.c compile on machine A for machine A
23:14 <Soul_keeper> is there a -windows or some junk ?
23:14 <PovAddict> you need to download gcc sourcecode, compile gcc itself targeting a different platform, then use that
23:15 <Soul_keeper> why wouldn't it do that by default ?
23:15 <PovAddict> gcc cannot be built to compile to *multiple* targets
23:15 <Soul_keeper> that's lame
23:15 <PovAddict> and you also need the assembler, linker, etc. for the target platform
23:15 <Soul_keeper> i'm not gonna recompile gcc ...
23:16 * Soul_keeper abandons the idea of trying to compile something for a windows user that is too stupid to compile things himself
23:16 <MTughan> PovAddict: I might disagree with your statement... Apple's GCC can compile for 4 platforms.
23:16 <MTughan> With just a -arch flag.
23:16 <infinisoft> sweet :D Got a primegrid teams list
23:17 <MTughan> -arch (i386 x86_64 ppc ppc64)
23:17 <PovAddict> MTughan: any idea about my circle-in-square question? I can't get it right
23:18 <PovAddict> wait, wtf... I know why...
23:18 <PovAddict> this isn't 0..1, it's 0..255
23:18 <MTughan> Sorry, what were you trying to figure out?
23:18 <MTughan> To touch the corners...
23:18 <Romulus> its still better than nothing...
23:19 <MTughan> r=sqrt(2 * ( (side / 2) ** 2) )
23:20 <MTughan> r == circle radius and side == square side
23:20 <MTughan> PovAddict: Is that what you were looking for?
23:20 <PovAddict> the circle is sort of already radius 256
23:20 <MTughan> You want a square for the inside?
23:20 <PovAddict> I need to scale the numbers to have it touch the corners of a square with size side 1000
23:21 <PovAddict> side size*
23:21 <MTughan> There's your equation. Plug in the side length, and it'll give you the radius the circle needs to be.
23:21 <MTughan> From there, divide the needed radius by your radius, and you have the scaling number.
23:21 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(2*(500**2))
23:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: 707.106781187
23:22 <PovAddict> &math calc 707/256
23:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2.76171875
23:22 <MTughan> &math calc [math calc sqrt(2*(500**2))] / 256
23:22 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.76213586401
23:22 <PovAddict> o.o
23:22 <PovAddict> ok, still fucked up...
23:22 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
23:22 <zombie67> MT: question
23:23 <PovAddict> so let's put it in more specific terms
23:23 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
23:23 <zombie67> scroll down to 5.10.39
23:23 <MTughan> Yes...
23:23 <zombie67> boinc_5.10.39_macOSX_universal.zip vs boinc_5.10.39_universal-apple-darwin.zip
23:23 <zombie67> difference?
23:24 <PovAddict> one has GUI one doesn't?
23:24 <MTughan> universal-apple-darwin.zip is the one you should be linked to. As for the diff, I couldn't tell you.
23:24 <MTughan> Probably...
23:24 <zombie67> non-gui for osx? not likely
23:24 <MTughan> Wait...
23:24 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
23:24 <zombie67> well maybe
23:25 <MTughan> universal-apple-darwin.zip is command line, macOSX_universal.zip is GUI.
23:25 <PovAddict> note how all mac versions have (standard GUI) and (Unix command-line version)
23:25 <zombie67> but odd naming, no?
23:25 <MTughan> Dang it, I just upgraded to 5.10.38 yesterday...
23:25 <PovAddict> yep, got it...
23:26 <PovAddict> my circle wasn't 256 radius
23:26 <zombie67> I will dl the bigger one, assuming that is the gui
23:26 <MTughan> Eh. I don't name them, and as long as the links work, I'm fine.
23:26 <PovAddict> it was some strange radius
23:26 <PovAddict> I was never doing sqrt
23:26 <MTughan> zombie67: macOSX_universal.zip is the GUI.
23:26 <zombie67> thanks. back to what you were doing
23:30 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1000)
23:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: 31.6227766017
23:30 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1855)
23:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: 43.0697109347
23:31 <PovAddict> &math calc 1855**2
23:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: 3441025
23:31 <PovAddict> &math calc 1855/256
23:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: 7.24609375
23:33 <PovAddict> &math calc 1940/256
23:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: 7.578125
23:33 <Soul_keeper> &math calc pi
23:33 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 3.14159265359
23:33 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1940)
23:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: 44.0454310911
23:33 <PovAddict> &math calc 256/1940
23:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: 0.131958762887
23:33 <PovAddict> :o
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