IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-01-24

00:04 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

00:04 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 32.2F / 0.1C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 23.51in / 796.0hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 3.6mph / 5.8km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Little or no snow accumulation. Lows 19 to 25. Light winds.; Thursday - Snow showers likely in the morning...snow likely in the (1 more message)

00:04 <Bad_At_Home> &more

00:04 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: afternoon. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Highs around 35. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Thursday Night - Snow showers likely. Snow accumulation around 2 inches. Lows around 21. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light. Chance of snow 70 percent.;

00:05 <MTughan> Anyone know what would cause this?

00:05 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 870562 (at

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00:06 <MTughan> Hey mw.

00:06 <MTughan> Know what would cause this?

00:06 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 870562 (at

00:06 <mweltin> no

00:06 <mweltin> what

00:07 <MTughan> It toggles network activity on and off every second.

00:07 <mweltin> is that for TSPer?

00:07 <MTughan> Nope, BOINC.

00:07 <mweltin> what log is that from?

00:08 <MTughan> It's from an SSH terminal, but from my Fedora machine, from ./run_client.

00:08 <mweltin> so its a client issue?

00:08 <MTughan> Probably.

00:08 <mweltin> because the last thing I need is a server problem

00:09 <MTughan> Oh, the SSEx GA apps seem to be running about twice as fast.

00:09 <mweltin> thats good.

00:09 <mweltin> so you think its an error in the source code causeing a name collision?

00:09 <MTughan> Probably gonna take about 23 hours on my machine rather than the estimated 40h.

00:09 <mweltin> Im' refering to my last porblem.

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00:10 <mweltin> good

00:10 <MTughan> That's what I'm thinking. There are two classes with the same name, but different methods and variables, but there is one method in four of them where they clash.

00:10 <MTughan> That is the close() function in WORKUNIT, RESULT, APP, and APP_VERSION.

00:11 <mweltin> I wounder how that happened.

00:11 <mweltin> I wonder when its going to get fixed.

00:11 <MTughan> Probably someone not checking other files.

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00:12 <MTughan> Revision 14614 is just one change, api/

00:12 <mweltin> the stuff in the sched dir doesn't build in the current trunk

00:12 <MTughan> Really?

00:12 <Romulus> I think that was the good word ?

00:12 <MTughan> &stfu

00:12 <Romulus> MTughan: Are you daft?

00:12 <MTughan> No, but you are.

00:12 <mweltin> Last Changed Rev: 14614

00:12 <mweltin> thats teh same revision I have

00:13 <mweltin> does it build for you?

00:13 <MTughan> I'm talking about diff between 14613 and 14614. api/

00:13 <MTughan> Hold on, I'll have to look up my MySQL dirs...

00:13 <mweltin> yeah

00:13 <mweltin> oh do you define the MYSQL_CONFIG var?

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00:20 <mweltin> MTughan have you tried to build that revision?

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00:35 <mweltin> I'm slowly going backwards to find a revision that will build.

00:38 <mweltin> and I'm not finding one

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00:40 <MTughan> Sorry, my dad had a "talk" with me.

00:40 <MTughan> >_>

00:40 <mweltin> lol what did you "do"?

00:40 <Wabbit98> sex talk?

00:41 <Wabbit98> did you get a lady preggers?

00:41 <MTughan> No, school stuff. That's why I'm annoyed.

00:41 <Wabbit98> you need to do well in school

00:41 <Wabbit98> or else you will end up like me

00:42 <MTughan> I'm not laughing.

00:42 <Wabbit98> I am not laughing either

00:42 <mweltin> I am

00:42 <mweltin> sorry

00:43 <mweltin> I never did well in school

00:43 <mweltin> not until grad school

00:43 <Wabbit98> I have been kicked out of an university

00:43 <Wabbit98> because of grades

00:44 <mweltin> most of the time I was just screwing around and getting the min done to pass.

00:44 <mweltin> I was almost

00:44 <mweltin> I was on probation a few times.

00:44 <Wabbit98> I got a 3.57 GPA last semster and it barely raised my overall GPA

00:44 * Soul_keeper was smart enough to kick himself out

00:46 <mweltin> I have a botany degree

00:46 <mweltin> honestly how useful is that.

00:46 <efc> Its great for writing bots

00:46 <efc> oh..

00:46 <Wabbit98> look at what you are doing now

00:46 <Wabbit98> also I almost quit college to because a long haul trucker

00:46 <Romulus> what do you live?

00:47 <mweltin> become?

00:48 <mweltin> otherwise there better be more to that story.

00:48 <Wabbit98> well obviously I didn't quit college

00:48 <Wabbit98> I am now a permanent professional student

00:48 <Wabbit98> after 14 major changes

00:48 <mweltin> because a long haul trucker kidnapped me and left me in Utah.

00:49 <Wabbit98> was he mormon?

00:49 <mweltin> it wasn't obvious

00:49 <Soul_keeper> lol

00:49 <Wabbit98> well look at what you are doing now

00:49 <Wabbit98> developing BOINC

00:49 <mweltin> yes my story does have a happy ending.

00:49 <mweltin> oh and I saw another sea turtle

00:49 <Wabbit98> you have a gf

00:50 <mweltin> :)

00:50 <Wabbit98> of course it has a happy ending

00:50 <mweltin> true

00:50 <Wabbit98> bastard :P

00:50 <MTughan> Piece of s*** downloaders... DOWNLOAD THE F***ING FILE ALREADY!!!

00:51 <Wabbit98> what is it like living near a warm ocean?

00:51 <mweltin> could be worse, but not much

00:51 <efc> if I could go back and give myself advice, it would be to focus on money more

00:51 <Wabbit98> must be nice to see turtles near your computer

00:52 <mweltin> grrrrrrrrrrr

00:52 <mweltin> efc that would be a mistake

00:52 <mweltin> I have to go diving to see them

00:52 <efc> There's nothing else

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00:52 <mweltin> now I just feel bad for you

00:53 <Wabbit98> hmmmmm

00:53 <mweltin> man I went all teh way back to revision 14448

00:53 <Romulus> I aborted all the horrilbe crap I just be grabbing boinc_core_release svn tag? I'm not sure, could be waiting a while)

00:53 <mweltin> and I still can't build teh stuff in sched.

00:53 <Wabbit98> what revision is that?

00:54 <Wabbit98> kick the sched

00:54 <mweltin> the last one from

00:54 <Romulus> <> (at

00:54 <efc> A lot of guys at work, their kids are going into hairdressing and working at best buy.. they should be thinking, do they want to live on minimum wage*1.2 the rest of their lives

00:54 <Wabbit98> I am a history major

00:55 <mweltin> LOL

00:55 <Wabbit98> I won't work there

00:55 <mweltin> LOLOLOLOL

00:55 <mweltin> thats funny

00:55 <mweltin> I even ran make distclean and ran configure again and it still doesn't build

00:56 <mweltin> what the heck is going on?

00:56 <efc> of course all the daughters get knocked up and well thats it for the career

00:56 <mweltin> I had ti building fine a weekago

00:57 <mweltin> what is the last core release ?

00:58 <MTughan> 6.1.0

00:58 <mweltin> how do I check svn for tags ?

00:59 <MTughan> Tags?

00:59 <MTughan> Wait, latest is 6.1.3.

00:59 <mweltin> you can "tag" souce within a revision history.

00:59 <mweltin> call a specific revision core_release_6_1

01:00 <mweltin> that way you don't have to remember some starnge number.

01:00 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmm cops just drove by my dirveway

01:00 <mweltin> another domestic call on Walton Mountain

01:01 <Wabbit98> you didn't do anything illegal?

01:01 <mweltin> not here

01:01 <Wabbit98> have some turtle soup

01:01 <Wabbit98> go catch a turtle

01:01 <mweltin> boinc_core_release_6_1_7

01:01 <mweltin> you can't its illegal

01:01 <Wabbit98> oh

01:02 <Wabbit98> I won't tell

01:02 <mweltin> although it doesn't stop people.

01:02 <mweltin> I'm all hippy dippy under water, don't mess with much.   Take a shell here or there, and once I found an army helmet.

01:03 <MTughan> Okay, libsched.a build here.

01:03 <MTughan> builds*

01:03 <mweltin> must be something on my end.

01:03 <mweltin> what revision?

01:03 <MTughan> What's the error you're getting?

01:04 <MTughan> This is the latest, 14614.

01:04 <mweltin> smae one about multiple def

01:04 <MTughan> I've just built it. I haven't tried using it at all.

01:04 <mweltin> app::clear App_verions::clear  Result::clear and Workuni::clear

01:05 <MTughan> Can you build it?

01:05 <mweltin> it won't build for me.

01:05 <MTughan> No, can you build libsched.a? Not can you build from libsched.a.

01:06 <mweltin> the source code for boinc crashes when I run make.

01:07 <MTughan> I just cd'd to sched and did "make libsched.a"...

01:08 <mweltin> I haven't tried that

01:08 <mweltin> I just run make

01:08 <MTughan> Just make results in errors here, but in api, with QBacktrace.

01:09 <MTughan> Also, this is configured with "--disable-client MYSQL_CONFIG=/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql_config"

01:09 <mweltin> mine is teh same

01:10 <mweltin> I just set the environment var

01:10 <mweltin> didn't pass it to configure

01:10 <Romulus> and I will have to drop in too.

01:10 <mweltin> but it picks up the right place.

01:11 <mweltin> I'm running make

01:11 <mweltin> there is no branch with a core_release_6_7_1

01:12 <mweltin> and that looks like its for the client anyway


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01:14 <mweltin> 14448 that did build

01:14 <MTughan> Damn that QBacktrace... All right, well libsched.a builds for me. Sorry, but I don't know. I think it's an issue in the source but maybe not.

01:14 <MTughan> And I need to be off to bed.

01:15 <mweltin> night buddy

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01:31 <mweltin> hi pov

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01:36 <mweltin> PovAddict I when all the way back to svn revision 14448 for the boinc source, and it builds without error, but my work generator  still has the same trouble.  I have tried every combination for the order of the linking of lsched and lboinc and even removed them and I still can't get it to compile.

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02:08 <efc> windows networking sure does stink

02:08 * FauxFaux boggles at efc.

02:09 <FauxFaux> Whatever channel I assign to this number seems to start full of smart people, then slowly degenerate into "lol iwndows sucz"

02:09 <efc> its worse than zero because it does occasionally work

02:09 <efc> I'm sorry to dissapoint you, i'll leave you and the other smart people to discuss smart people things

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03:31 <clusty> ahoy

03:34 <CoderForLife> morning

03:37 <clusty> mweltin, you around here?

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04:02 <CoderForLife> re-morning

04:02 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:02 <mweltin> hey

04:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 23.5F / -4.7C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016.1hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with snow likely early this morning...then partly sunny late this morning and afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Tonight - Clear. (1 more message)

04:02 <Kathryn> Hi all

04:02 <CoderForLife> &more

04:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Lows 0 to 5 above. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 30. South winds around 5 mph.;

04:03 <CoderForLife> clusty was looking for you mweltin

04:03 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

04:03 <clusty> i was indeed

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04:10 <CoderForLife> b w/b

04:10 <mweltin> Kathryn !

04:10 <mweltin> and clusty

04:10 <mweltin> nice to see you all

04:10 <Romulus> wonders if he is a piece of cake. most of us have socks older than me?..

04:11 <Kathryn> Hi Markus

04:11 * CoderForLife looks around for a camera

04:11 <mweltin> yes cfl I'm watching you.

04:11 <CoderForLife> ok  watch this...

04:12 <CoderForLife> did you see that?

04:12 <clusty> see what?

04:12 <Kathryn> darn.  i blinked

04:12 <mweltin> hmmmm do you really need  a donkey for that or is that just for show.

04:12 * CoderForLife finishes chewing his bite of breakfast

04:12 <CoderForLife> lol

04:13 * Kathryn is glad I put down my glass of milk when told to watch.

04:13 <mweltin> in other news I did get to see another sea trutle today.

04:13 <Kathryn> cool

04:13 <CoderForLife> see turtle

04:13 <CoderForLife> excellent

04:13 <mweltin> We dive in a spot where there used to be lots and I haven't seen any in months.

04:14 <mweltin> the last two dives I have seen one.

04:14 <mweltin> anyway I'm haveing trouble with my work generator.

04:14 <clusty> btw, any vicious sharks?

04:14 <mweltin> no just reef sharks

04:14 <mweltin> unless you go way out.

04:15 <clusty> tiny ones?

04:15 <Kathryn> dunno...   I don't think I'd like to run into any sharks.  But that's just me.

04:15 <mweltin> the biggest one I have seen while underwater was 8', but they are usually much smaller.

04:15 <clusty> sharks look funky

04:15 <clusty> ...on TV

04:15 <clusty> :D

04:15 <CoderForLife> I'm particularly shark-adverse

04:16 <CoderForLife> an allergy, I think

04:16 <mweltin> even though I know its harmless I keep one eye on them when I see them.

04:16 <clusty> i personally think they are misunderstood

04:16 <clusty> :D

04:16 <mweltin> they are

04:16 <mweltin> so anway

04:16 <CoderForLife> must be hard to keep an eye on them when they swim in opposite ways =)

04:16 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

04:16 <clusty> we are mean to them so they are mean back

04:17 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Why do you account for the Boinc go on holiday.

04:17 <clusty> we should give them all our warmth and live in harmony

04:17 <clusty> .....ok enough with the tree hugging :D

04:17 <CoderForLife> "Why can't we all get along?"

04:17 <mweltin> my work generator need both libboinc.a and libshed.a but from teh pastebin output they seem to be redefining the same methods.

04:17 <clusty> why can't we be friends....

04:17 <mweltin> I'm not sure what to do about it.

04:17 <mweltin> any usggestiongs?

04:17 <clusty> mweltin, had same issue

04:18 * CoderForLife looks back at his early-morning Code

04:18 <mweltin> I have all kinds of issues

04:19 <mweltin> as does boinc, I can't get the latest svn revision to build.

04:19 <mweltin> although I did get my "best path" stuff worked out.

04:21 <clusty> well the sample_work_gen that coems with boionc wont compile

04:21 <mweltin> what errors do you get?

04:21 <clusty> undefined ref

04:21 <clusty> linker bug

04:21 <mweltin> what revision?

04:22 <clusty> i also have makefile with multiple def errors

04:22 <mweltin> yes

04:22 <mweltin> thats what I get

04:22 <clusty> latest

04:22 <mweltin> which libs ?

04:22 <clusty> what dop i link against?

04:23 <mweltin> yeah, do you link libsched and libboinc at the same time ?

04:23 <clusty> gcc -I/usr/local/include/BOINC/ -I/home/vlazar/boinc/lib torturer.C -lboinc_api  -o torturer.c

04:23 <clusty> is my line

04:24 <mweltin> what are you building?

04:24 <clusty> sample work generator

04:24 <mweltin> and how do you get multi defs when you only link one lib?

04:24 <clusty> called torturer :D

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04:26 <clusty> damn

04:26 <clusty> wrong line

04:27 <clusty> gcc -I/home/vlazar/boinc/lib -I/home/vlazar/boincanator/boinc/sched -I/home/boincanator/vlazar/boinc/tools -I/home/vlazar/boincanator/boinc/db torturer.C  /home/vlazar/boincanator/boinc/lib/libboinc.a /home/vlazar/boincanator/boinc/sched/libsched.a -lmysqlclient -lcrypto -o torturer -lstdc++

04:27 <mweltin> did you check my pastebin url?

04:28 <mweltin> do you get the same error?

04:29 <mweltin> app::clear app_version::clear result::clear and workunit::clear  ?

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04:34 <mweltin> that was strange

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04:36 <Kathryn> It was ok.  I'm glad tomorrow is Friday though.

04:37 <mweltin> what ?

04:37 <Kathryn> You asked how school was.

04:37 <mweltin> its still Wed here

04:37 <Kathryn> I was IM and just saw your question.

04:37 <Kathryn> Thursday here.

04:38 <Kathryn> (had to check though)

04:38 <mweltin> same here.

04:39 * CoderForLife does his Thursday groan

04:39 <Kathryn> lol

04:42 <clusty> mweltin, sorry

04:42 <clusty> yes

04:42 <clusty> same errors

04:42 <mweltin> welcome back clusty

04:42 <clusty> gonna try now the CUDA NVIDIA lib

04:42 <mweltin> any clue on a fix?  Does the fix need to come from boinc developers?

04:43 <clusty> yeepppiiie

04:43 <clusty> yeah

04:43 <clusty> its much easier to send messages to mailing list of devs

04:43 <clusty> need link?

04:43 <mweltin> sure

04:43 <clusty>

04:43 <Romulus> Title: Mailing Lists (at

04:43 <clusty> project

04:43 <clusty> and dev

04:43 <clusty> one question mark:

04:43 <mweltin> I'm on projects

04:43 <clusty> i've seen

04:44 <clusty> :D

04:44 <Romulus> World Community Grid|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error

04:44 <clusty> i receive a result

04:44 <clusty> how do i know what was the input i sent to the client?

04:44 <clusty> boinc keep track by itself?

04:45 <mweltin> what?

04:45 <clusty> trying to write my own validator

04:45 <clusty> and assimilator

04:45 <mweltin> good

04:45 <clusty> i receive a result from a WU

04:45 <mweltin> yes

04:45 <clusty> in my case its a matrix factorization

04:46 <mweltin> ok

04:46 <clusty> i need to get the results from WU

04:46 <clusty> and compute what they give me to make sure its close enough to the initial matrix

04:46 <clusty> so how do I know what was initial matrix for the WU?

04:46 <clusty> i need to keep a copy?

04:47 <clusty> or boinc keep all inputs/outputs till get assimilated?

04:47 <mweltin> well I use the opaque field to keep track of stuff like that.

04:47 <clusty> ha haa

04:47 <clusty> famous opaque :D

04:47 <mweltin> yes

04:47 <clusty> ment to ask you what does it do

04:48 <clusty> is there some doc on how to do it?

04:48 <mweltin> it does whatever you want, but I and I assume most poeple have another table of data, and the index of that table is put in the opaque field of the workunit table

04:49 <mweltin> no the opaque is undefined

04:49 <mweltin> it only has meaning you assign to it.

04:49 <Romulus> and stop the boinc benchmark malfunctions on systems with a nice interface for updating records?

04:49 <clusty> so basically i am keeping track of it myself

04:49 <clusty> i love the bot

04:50 <mweltin> yes

04:50 <clusty> playign smart ass always :D

04:50 <mweltin> I can't stand it anymore.

04:50 <clusty> Romulus, you suck

04:50 <Romulus> clusty: Are you daft?

04:50 <clusty> :D

04:50 <clusty> Romulus, no are you?

04:50 <Romulus> clusty: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).

04:51 <clusty> mweltin, does boinc contain some easy C/mysql interface?

04:51 <clusty> never did any such stuff

04:52 <mweltin> it does sort of.

04:52 <mweltin> ok

04:52 <mweltin> yes it does, but I never use it.

04:52 <clusty> have your own?

04:52 <mweltin> I use the mysql++

04:52 <mweltin> sometimes I'm just to lazy to learn yet another api for something I can already do.

04:53 <mweltin> mysql has a C api but it's a little tedious.

04:53 <mweltin> no assoicative arrays.

04:53 <clusty> will give a check now

04:53 <clusty> this could have been a really nice addition to boinc

04:54 <clusty> keeping all I/O data till assimilation is complete

04:54 <mweltin> it uses a lot of buffers and doesn't have good documentation, but its easy enough to use.

04:55 <mweltin> well it maybe there but honestly its easier to ues teh opaque field.

04:55 <clusty> c++ :(

04:55 <mweltin> sorry

04:55 <mweltin> yeah that is a problem

04:55 <clusty> can you point me in the docu of opaque?

04:55 <mweltin> it's heavy on teh OO

04:55 <Romulus> You might want to look at it. I haven't tried

04:55 <clusty> teh?

04:56 <mweltin> well thats the think I'm trying to get across clusty, there is no document for it.   It's ment to be used however you want so how do you document something like that.

04:56 <mweltin> I can tell you how I use it.

04:56 <clusty> is it not easier to just nmodify the feeder?

04:57 <clusty> to make a copy of the output file like: in_WUid

04:57 <clusty> in some folder

04:57 <mweltin> the feeder?

04:57 <clusty> yeah

04:57 <mweltin> that really has nothing to do with it.

04:57 <clusty> thing that sends tasks

04:57 <mweltin> what if you have huge output files.

04:57 <clusty> send a task, make extra copy of input

04:58 <mweltin> you could have your prog write info to STDERR

04:58 <mweltin> that shows up in the result's output

04:58 <mweltin> in teh result table.

04:58 <mweltin> you don't need any sql for that or C++ or opaque field.

04:58 <clusty> ok

04:58 <clusty> pls tell me your use of opaque then

04:59 <clusty> :D

04:59 <clusty> i hate dbase programming

04:59 <clusty> :)

04:59 <mweltin> on my first app I used the STDERR to double check my answers.

04:59 <mweltin> good no dbase here.

04:59 <mweltin> I have a table called pahts

05:00 <clusty> ok

05:01 <mweltin> it has information on start path and the end path the date the record was entered, the shortest distance of all the paths, and the date the shortest distance was recored.

05:01 <mweltin> whe I create a WU

05:01 <mweltin> the first thing I do is enter in a few of the fields of the path table

05:01 <mweltin> date entered, and the start and stop path.

05:02 <mweltin> Every record in the path table has a unique id.

05:02 <mweltin> so after I enter in the time and start and stop paths I check to see what unique id it got.

05:02 <clusty> ok

05:03 <mweltin> then I make a work unit and set the workunits opaque field to that unique number.

05:03 <mweltin> then when it comes time to assimilate a canonical result,

05:03 <clusty> so you boudn the WU to the dbase stuff

05:03 <Romulus> it made a db for it :)

05:03 <clusty> what is a canonical result?

05:03 <clusty> :D

05:04 <mweltin> I first look at the opaque field in the result, and then I know where to put the rest of the data i.e. the distance found and the date it was found.

05:04 <mweltin> yes

05:04 <mweltin> I use the opaque to link wu's to other data I want.

05:05 <clusty> nice

05:05 <mweltin> but the opaque field can be used for anything

05:05 <clusty> so basically opaque is just a uid to link all stuff together

05:05 <mweltin> that is how I use it yes

05:05 <clusty> i wanted to ask another thing:

05:05 <clusty> general boinc stuff

05:05 <mweltin> ok

05:05 <clusty> there is some executble called dir_path....blah

05:06 <mweltin> two in fact

05:06 <mweltin> but yes I know what you are talking about

05:06 <clusty> that return always $BOINC_PROJ/downloads/<some funny path>

05:06 <mweltin> you are correct

05:06 <clusty> what is it good for?

05:06 <clusty> thats the place for input files?

05:07 <clusty> to be sent to WUs?

05:07 <mweltin> well your workunit is turned into 5 results

05:07 <clusty> why 5?

05:07 <mweltin> well you can control that

05:07 <clusty> ohh

05:07 <clusty> redundancy you mean

05:07 <mweltin> ntargets

05:07 <clusty> most of time i dont need

05:08 <mweltin> yes it is a parameter you have to set when you creat a workunit

05:08 <clusty> because if matrices multiply back the ri9ght way its fine

05:08 <mweltin> unless you want 5

05:08 <clusty> yeah yeah

05:08 <clusty> remember

05:08 <mweltin> ok

05:09 <mweltin> so in your upload and download dirs you will see all those funny paths.

05:09 <clusty> so each replica of the WU has its own path?

05:09 <mweltin> almost

05:09 <clusty> i mean dir

05:09 <mweltin> the dirs can be reused.

05:10 <mweltin> but yes

05:10 <clusty> boinc manages thi stuff?

05:10 <mweltin> essenialy.

05:10 <mweltin> yes

05:10 <mweltin> don't give it a second thought.

05:10 <clusty> i just put it in _dir_blahblah and case closed

05:10 <clusty> :D

05:10 <clusty> this brings to second question: assimilation

05:10 <mweltin> it creates teh dirs and puts stuff in them and deletes stuff

05:10 <mweltin> yup

05:10 <mweltin> yes

05:11 <clusty> how do i know the path on the server where the file was placved

05:11 <clusty> the result

05:11 <clusty> say i assimilation=copy out somewhere else so the garbage collector wont trash it (case now)

05:11 <clusty> since i use trivial assimialtor

05:11 <mweltin> well did you notice that when you write an assimilator and validator for that matter you are only writting a few functions with specific names.

05:11 <clusty> yes

05:12 <clusty> inside the RESULT struct i have all my info?

05:12 <clusty> like file on disk and such?

05:12 <mweltin> well there is a ton of other code that gets compiled with that to make the final assimilator/validator.

05:12 <mweltin> that other code is managing the deletes and other BOINC specific stuff.

05:13 <clusty> so how can i know the path for of the result file?

05:13 <mweltin> its rather smart design once you get used to it.

05:13 <mweltin> you dont care

05:13 <clusty> it is i admit it

05:13 <clusty> but its a bit spagetti code :(

05:13 <mweltin> you sue a resove_file_name or seomting

05:13 <clusty> with close to 0 doc

05:13 <clusty> ok great

05:13 <mweltin> well there are a lot of developers

05:14 <mweltin> thats why there is #boinc

05:14 <clusty> and not a lot of managing :D

05:14 <clusty> problem is here we are 2-3 people that have own proj

05:14 <clusty> most are enthusiasts and just run clients

05:14 <mweltin> well for all the troubles it has I still think its awesome bit a of software.

05:14 <clusty> it sure is

05:15 <clusty> i said yesterday: boinc aint user friendly for admins

05:15 <clusty> but it does a great job

05:15 <mweltin> it could be worse

05:17 <mweltin> you can always get my source code if you want to look at something.  Its not commented well at the moment but as I get more people to help me it iwll be.

05:17 <clusty> sure...

05:17 <mweltin> also YOYO is a great guy and he will often share his code with me.

05:17 <clusty> i spoke so far with Pov

05:17 <clusty> and you

05:18 <mweltin> there are few people like Pov

05:18 <clusty> mailed the dev to fix the boinc-no-finishing proiblem

05:18 <mweltin> sweet

05:18 <mweltin> and the lib conflict ?

05:18 <clusty> i dropped it

05:18 <clusty> will get back to it now

05:18 <Romulus> was born a fetus

05:18 <mweltin> email them about it.

05:18 <clusty> seems there is a lot more to work on job valid/assim

05:18 <mweltin> I don't think its us.

05:19 <clusty> i am surely

05:19 <CoderForLife> I owe... I owe... So off to w@#% I go

05:19 <clusty> pov got it to compile though

05:19 <clusty> copy paste from site

05:19 <CoderForLife> cya folks later

05:19 <clusty> aloha

05:19 <mweltin> do tons of error checking in the validator.

05:19 <mweltin> later

05:20 <mweltin> yeah pov is good that way.

05:21 <mweltin> I wonder if they do a regression test each day?

05:21 <clusty> why would they do?

05:21 <mweltin> to avoid these build problems.

05:22 <clusty> ohh well

05:22 <mweltin> I kept stepping back in revisions until it built correctly.

05:22 <mweltin> I'm going to bed, its been a long day.

05:22 <mweltin> do you have any more questions clusty?

05:23 <clusty> thanks

05:23 <clusty> this will be it :D

05:23 <Kathryn> Night Markus.  Sleep well.

05:23 <clusty> will fool around with SQling a bit

05:23 <clusty> nighty night

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05:23 <mweltin> Thanks katyrn, I'd say good night but I have no idea what time it is for you.

05:24 <mweltin> good whatever Kathryn

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06:04 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

06:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: -9F / -23C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Rest of Today - Clear. Very cold. High 10 to 15. West wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Not as cold. Low 5 to 10 above. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow in the (1 more message)

06:04 <wdsmia> &more

06:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: morning. Not as cold. High in the upper 20s. South wind 10 to 20 mph. Lowest wind chill readings 5 to 10 below in the morning.; Wind Chill Advisory for Polk County in effect until 9:00 AM CST on January 24, 2008;

06:07 <wdsmia> mornin

06:07 <Kathryn> mornin' to you too.

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06:20 <hawmps> 'lo

06:20 <Kathryn> hiya

06:20 <Romulus> "Snow Day in the top 100 hosts by RAC

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06:26 <hawmps> Hi Kat.

06:26 <hawmps> Snow day? lol

06:27 <Kathryn> cold but no snow here.

06:27 <Kathryn> oh duh

06:27 <Kathryn> never mind

06:27 <Kathryn> i'm an idiot :)

06:27 <hawmps> no, you're not..

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06:35 <hawmps> &weather Seoul KR

06:35 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 21°F / -6°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 8:30 PM KST; Clear. High:22 F. / -5 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:13 F. / -10 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:22 F. / -5 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:19 F. / -7 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Clear. Low:21 F. / -6 C.;

06:36 <hawmps> &weather Seoul, Korea

06:36 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 21°F / -6°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 8:30 PM KST; Clear. High:22 F. / -5 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:13 F. / -10 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:22 F. / -5 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:19 F. / -7 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:30 F. / -1 C.; Clear. Low:21 F. / -6 C.;

06:36 <hawmps> that can't be right... is it?

06:36 <Kathryn> For Seoul?  Probably.

06:37 <Kathryn> &weather Ulsan, Korea

06:37 <Romulus> Kathryn: Temperature: 31°F / 0°C | Humidity: 14% | Pressure: 30.29in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Clear. Low:22 F. / -5 C.; Clear. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.;

06:37 <Kathryn> Ulsan's is just about right.

06:37 <hawmps> ok..

06:37 <Kathryn> My weather widget says 29F

06:37 <hawmps> 12.6 here..

06:37 <hawmps> plenty cold..

06:37 <Kathryn> yup

06:37 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

06:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: -9F / -23C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Rest of Today - Clear. Very cold. High 10 to 15. West wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Not as cold. Low 5 to 10 above. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow in the (1 more message)

06:37 <wdsmia> &more

06:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: morning. Not as cold. High in the upper 20s. South wind 10 to 20 mph. Lowest wind chill readings 5 to 10 below in the morning.; Wind Chill Advisory for Polk County in effect until 9:00 AM CST on January 24, 2008;

06:37 <Romulus> nah. I've never done that..............

06:38 <Kathryn> Not as cold.  High in the upper 20s :-)

06:38 <Kathryn> Reminds me of home.

06:38 <Kathryn> &weather 44137

06:38 <Romulus> Kathryn: Temperature: 21F / -6C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Snow showers likely this morning...then scattered snow showers this afternoon. Snow accumulation of 1 to locally 3 inches. Highs in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the (1 more message)

06:38 <Kathryn> &more

06:38 <Romulus> Kathryn: evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows 10 to 15 above. West winds 10 to 20 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 20s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Cuyahoga County in effect until 9:00 AM EST on January 24, 2008;

06:38 <hawmps> Doug gets his weather from "Frostbite Falls"

06:39 <hawmps> &zipinfo 44137

06:39 <Romulus> hawmps: City: Maple Heights; State: OH; County: Cuyahoga; Area Code: 216; Time Zone: EST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 41.4092 (North); Longitude: 81.5624 (West)

06:39 <Kathryn> Not too far from the lake.

06:39 <hawmps> oHIo

06:40 <Kathryn> lol

06:40 <wdsmia> Frostbite and Falls are not two words we want to put togetter today

06:44 <hawmps> cool - made the national clearchannel newsletter...

06:44 <hawmps>

06:44 <Romulus> <> (at

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09:00 <wdsmia_> its getting colder :(

09:01 <wdsmia_> -11 F now

09:03 <FauxFaux> You people get all the pro weather.

09:07 <PriitM_> it's getting colder here as well and we're getting finally some decent amount of snow

09:11 <PriitM_> &weather Tallinn

09:11 <Romulus> PriitM_: Temperature: 30°F / -1°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Heavy Snow | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 3:20 PM EET; Light Freezing Rain. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Rain. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F. / (1 more message)

09:12 <wdsmia_> &more PriitM_

09:12 <Romulus> wdsmia_: -2 C.;

09:14 * FauxFaux sits here with it sunny, window wide open, +4. :)

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09:34 <clusty> PovAddict, povie. welcome back from vacation

09:34 <clusty> think you will be nicely surprised we all missed you :d

09:40 <hawmps> well.. 'pete' now running at 2.7GHz in a nice cool spot..

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09:59 <andresgr__> kind of funny this credit thing... i get the same with my old P600 than with my dual-core with 6GB of RAM :)

09:59 <andresgr__> it only counts "how many time your computer, tiny or big, has been working"

10:06 <clusty> not very smart. why is it not computing using the estimated flops or something

10:06 <clusty> a step in the right direction :D

10:10 <andresgr__> agreed

10:12 <clusty> but i dont think any project admin cares much L:D

10:12 <clusty> i at least wont for a long time

10:12 <clusty> but i realize that it motivates some people

10:12 <clusty> showing up in rankings

10:12 <clusty> and getting pretty graphics as screensaver

10:39 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

10:39 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 28.5F / -1.9C | Humidity: 51% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1003.6hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny early...then becoming partly sunny. Highs 35 to 40. East wind 5 to 15 mph except 15 to 30 mph with gusts to 40 mph near The Gorge.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then partly cloudy. Lows around 25. East wind 5 to 15 (1 more message)

10:39 <Tank_Master> &more

10:39 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mph except east 20 to 30 mph near The Gorge.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs around 40. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph except east 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.;

10:46 <hawmps> wow - pete popped up to 5217 credits/day

10:55 <wdsmia_> lol - I think we have a intel convert

10:55 <Romulus> I dual boot system with a large trout

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11:47 <PovAddict> &seen mweltin

11:47 <Romulus> PovAddict: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <mweltin> good whatever Kathryn

11:48 <hawmps> he was on the late shift...

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12:59 <quail> g'morning all

13:00 <wdsmia_w> afternoon quail

13:00 <Romulus> what did you get it, depending on how to set permissions through the BOINC wiki at

13:00 <quail> wdsmia_w: how are you going Doug?

13:01 <wdsmia_w> doing ok at work and eating lunch

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13:01 <quail> :-)

13:04 <hawmps> 'lo Q

13:06 <quail> hiya Jay, how are you?

13:14 <seth_afk> >;o

13:14 <seth_afk> dad stole the mouse

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13:14 <sethy_afk\> kwtf

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13:16 <wdsmia_w> next time dad needs to steal the keyboard :P

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13:16 <sethy> thats why its dvorak :)

13:16 <sethy> so he will avoid it

13:16 <wdsmia_w> lol

13:17 <sethy> but he stole my laptop one

13:17 <sethy> ;_;

13:17 <Romulus> LOL...yeah, I don't like

13:17 <sethy> me too

13:17 <quail> and after that he''l take the monitor, and leave a note in its place saying 'now your stuffed' :-P

13:18 <sethy> tnen i'll steal his car and post a letter saying 'gotcha back though :P'

13:18 <quail> hehe

13:18 <sethy> he's lazy like that

13:19 <quail> :-(

13:19 <hawmps> sheesh...

13:22 * quail sort of glad I got a reasonable amount of sleep last night, but I am getting sick of ths waking up at anywhere between 3-5 aam in the morning

13:32 <quail> NBC Today just had the Mac Pro Air on there show, the laptop looks nice but bit to damn thin for me, I'd worry about slapping it

13:35 <c0dewarrior> I'd rather worry about you having slapping urges!

13:35 <quail> sorry snapping it

13:35 <c0dewarrior> lol

13:36 <quail> I not woken up yet this morning fully

13:37 <quail> how are you c0dewarrior ?

13:37 <c0dewarrior> reasonably well thanks, yourself?

13:37 <quail> fair to muddling

13:37 <c0dewarrior> bbiab, grub

13:37 <quail> k

13:38 <quail> I have been bit cranky this week as I have not been getting alot of sleep and been waking up very early in the morning and not being able to fall back to sleep

13:52 <hawmps> the meds are a pest, eh?

13:55 <quail> yeah, and when I am a sleep I have a restless sleep and the wierdest dreams too

13:55 <hawmps> I bet you do..

14:00 <quail> I might have to go back to my doctor and see what he can do, and it waste time me taking sleeping pills cause they not work on me

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14:22 <wdsmia_w> &ping

14:22 <Romulus> pong

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14:43 <quail> hiya BadBarbarian[a]

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15:32 <wdsmia_w>

15:33 <quail> wdsmia_w: nice one :-P

15:34 * wdsmia_w hates auto-away

15:35 <quail> ditto

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15:53 <xcamel> re-hi

15:53 <MTughan> &math calc 16.5 / 0.666

15:53 <Romulus> MTughan: 24.7747747748

15:53 <MTughan> Cool... 'lo Jay

15:53 <MTughan> &math calc 16.5 / 0.67

15:53 <Romulus> MTughan: 24.6268656716

15:53 <MTughan> Not much difference...

15:54 <MTughan> Wow... SETI's already has WUs due in mid-March.

15:55 <xcamel> 'lo Mike

15:57 <MTughan> Farthest away is a 6h WU due on March 17th.

15:57 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

15:57 <MTughan> o_O

15:57 <MTughan> Oh, "fart" in farthest.

15:57 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

15:57 <MTughan> :P

15:58 <MTughan> wdsmia_w: Something for you to work on.

15:58 <quail> wdsmia_w: may I have a copy of that script please

15:59 <MTughan> I've got my own script that's not quite a restrictive as his, and does a little better job of parsing. For XChat if you want it.

16:00 <quail> MTughan: I'll have a look at thanks

16:01 <quail> MTughan: I will get it to work with irssi and give you a copy back

16:02 <MTughan> Warning, language. :P

16:03 <Romulus> <> (at

16:03 <MTughan> On line 20, you'll have to modify it, because it only checks for #boinc-credit right now.

16:04 <MTughan> I should've made that dynamic...

16:05 <wdsmia_w> mtughan Something for you to work on.

16:05 <MTughan> Yep, and I'm actually working on it.

16:06 <Romulus> think in pedantic mode it cries

16:06 <quail> MTughan: thanks I just wget'ed it

16:08 <MTughan> There. wget it again, would you?

16:08 * wdsmia_w works on some stale java links to Oracle DB

16:08 <MTughan> Chat room to check is now a variable.

16:09 <MTughan> Dunno if it'd make your job any easier, but it's more portable for XChat now.

16:12 <quail> it should not be to hard to convert to irssi

16:12 <MTughan> What language does it use?

16:13 <quail> perl

16:13 <MTughan> Ah, so you just have to convert some of the terms. Cool.

16:13 <quail> yep

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16:15 <MTughan> Hmm... My script actually works on the "server incoming" signal from XChat (the only one available) so most of the logic can probably stay.

16:17 <MTughan> The equivalent mode in Irssi, I mean. That's "server incoming".

16:19 <infinisoft> Hello

16:20 <MTughan> Hey infinisoft.

16:28 <xcamel> looks like 6.x is getting a little closer to 'prime time'

16:33 <MTughan> Cool.

16:33 <xcamel> not ready to make the switch yet...

16:36 <MTughan> Factoids for windows and windows64 updated to 5.10.39.

16:36 <MTughan> &windows

16:36 <Romulus> MTughan: "windows" could be

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16:40 <quail> &linux

16:40 <Romulus> quail: "linux" could be

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17:01 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Are you able to update DepSpid?

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17:06 <FreeLarry58> humm just noted that my quad past the new c2d i have even tho the duo had a one week head start and 9K credit to start with when i brought the quad on line

17:06 <FreeLarry58> 14 days not bad

17:06 <Romulus> 2008-01-15 10:56:12.9590 [PID=2642 ] [normal ] [HOST#1] [RESULT#34 1svd5_0] got result (DB: server_state=4 outcome=0 client_state=0 validate_state=0 delete_state=0)

17:07 <MTughan> &math calc 17 / 0.693

17:07 <Romulus> MTughan: 24.531024531

17:08 <MTughan> &math calc 40 - [math calc 17 / 0.693]

17:08 <Romulus> MTughan: 15.468975469

17:08 <MTughan> That's a fairly significant savings just for enabling SSEx in an app...

17:09 <wdsmia_w> about time to clean the coffee cup and go home... bbl

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17:10 <FreeLarry58> arg time for shower and commute to /*-+

17:12 <MTughan> lol, swap time.

17:14 <xcamel> anyway...

17:16 <CoderForLife> hello folks

17:16 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

17:16 <CoderForLife> _o/ MTughan

17:16 <xcamel> Hi Don

17:16 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

17:18 <CoderForLife> my /var/log/messages on F8 is remarkably quiet and error-free

17:20 <CoderForLife> it's a happy box

17:20 <PovAddict> heh

17:20 <PovAddict> _o/

17:20 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict =)

17:21 <CoderForLife> wow  huge QMC wus

17:21 <PovAddict> :o

17:22 <PovAddict> I might give QMC a bit more CPU time :)

17:22 * PovAddict attaches

17:22 <CoderForLife> 30 hours done, 428 to go

17:22 <PovAddict> 24/01/2008 20:22:17|QMC@HOME|Sending scheduler request: Project initialization.  Requesting 1 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

17:23 <PovAddict> downloading ~3MB of stuff

17:23 <CoderForLife> I have 4 wus running on my main server

17:23 <CoderForLife> all 4 are 458 hours each

17:23 <PovAddict> finished downloading; 22h 23m estimate, but hasn't started

17:24 <CoderForLife> maybe it should be renamed QMCPDN

17:24 <PovAddict> lol

17:39 <xcamel> 'lo PoV

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17:46 <CoderForLife> off to become CoderOnTheCouch

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17:48 <mweltin> I'm still having some work generator build issues.  I was told by DA to build with just libsched.a and not libsched.a and libboinc.a .

17:49 <mweltin> what is odd is that the build line for the sample_work_generator in boinc_trunk/sched links in both libsched.a and libboinc.a

17:49 <MTughan> So it's a badly written example then.

17:50 <mweltin> well if I dont link libboinc.a  I get a page and a half of undefined references.

17:50 <MTughan> &echo SSEx GA will take about [math calc 17 / 0.693] hours instead of the estimated 39h50m.

17:50 <Romulus> SSEx GA will take about 24.531024531 hours instead of the estimated 39h50m.

17:50 <mweltin> nice

17:50 <MTughan> Anyway...

17:50 <Romulus> I wonder why software updater hasn't picked it up...

17:51 * TMatWork makes note not to hit the power button on accident

17:51 <mweltin> my boinc_trunk still doesnt'build

17:51 <MTughan> mweltin: What undefined references? Just one example will do.

17:51 <mweltin> I wonder if its my set up

17:53 <mweltin> boinc_touch_file

17:53 <mweltin> dir_hier_path

17:53 <mweltin> tons of xmlparser errors as well

17:53 <TMatWork> im outa here

17:53 <TMatWork> c-ya guys later

17:53 <MTughan> boinc_touch_file is only in libboinc.a... Where's it from?

17:53 <MTughan> cya TMatWork.

17:54 <mweltin> later

17:54 <mweltin> tring to build my work generator with just libsched.a and not libboinc.a

17:55 <PovAddict> and what if you use both

17:55 <MTughan> Object naming clash.

17:55 <PovAddict> "make clean all" boinc_trunk

17:55 <MTughan> Specifically, APP, APP_VERSION, RESULT, and WORKUNIT. They're different objects for libboinc and libsched, but they're the same name.

17:56 <PovAddict> or are they?

17:56 <MTughan> And that won't help. I checked the source files on rev 14614.

17:56 <PovAddict> are they different objects, or the same .o on both libs?

17:56 <mweltin> I ran make distclean

17:56 <MTughan> Different objects.

17:56 <MTughan> Check their instance variables and methods, they're different.

17:57 <MTughan> api/gui_rpc_client.h and db/boinc_db.h

17:57 <MTughan> They are actually two different objects with the same name.

17:58 <PovAddict> hmm

17:58 <PovAddict> gui_rpc_client gets built into libboinc?

17:58 <MTughan> Yep.

17:58 <mweltin> I have revision 14622

17:58 <MTughan> The code's in gui_rpc_client_ops.C if you were wondering.

17:59 <mweltin> just updated today and get a linking error in sched

17:59 <mweltin> after running make clean all

17:59 <MTughan> Yeah, sched/ was updated...

17:59 <mweltin> re configuring and running make all

17:59 <mweltin> I just updated today

17:59 <mweltin> Revision: 14622

18:00 <MTughan> 14622, yeah. I just updated now.

18:00 <PovAddict> if the .am was modified, you need to re-run ./autosetup

18:00 <mweltin> oh

18:00 <MTughan> api/ was updated too.

18:00 <PovAddict> am = automake

18:00 <mweltin> ok

18:01 <xcamel> or .amu = automuckitup

18:01 <mweltin> I'm going to clean everything again and start from scratch

18:01 <mweltin> you don't like gnu build tools xcamel?

18:01 <xcamel> it was a joke...

18:01 <PovAddict> xcamel: autoconf/automake/etc are usually known as "autohell tools"

18:01 <PovAddict> (by those who hate them)

18:02 <mweltin> ah, Pov is not a fan

18:02 <PovAddict> *I* don't have anything against them

18:02 <xcamel> pov isn't an air conditioner either.

18:02 <PovAddict> lol

18:02 <mweltin> you suggested I don't use them, when I mentioned I may try to use the gnu build tools.

18:03 <MTughan> That was xcamel, who doesn't like them.

18:03 <MTughan> You can try and use them, sure.

18:04 <PovAddict> I'd rather write my own makefile than read the big automake manual, write an .am file, and end up with a generated makefile that I can't even read

18:05 <mweltin> yes I see your point

18:06 <MTughan> It's nice for Mac, as Apple has a standard set of libraries. It's harder on Linux where you have so many variables.

18:06 <MTughan> Well, as long as you have Xcode installed for GCC.

18:07 <PovAddict> MTughan: any idea how to do compositing modes like "add" and "multiply" on gimp?

18:07 <MTughan> What tool?

18:07 <PovAddict> ie. add pixel values, instead of the usual alpha

18:08 <PovAddict> I used to have an old version of Paint Shop Pro that had a dozen settings for layers, and it could also do arithmetic between different open images

18:09 <MTughan> I know if you go into most tools, you can change the mode. Multiply I saw right away...

18:09 <MTughan> You want to combine layers?

18:09 <PovAddict> yeah

18:09 <PovAddict> *adding* the pixel colors

18:09 <MTughan> Open the Layers window, Ctrl-L.

18:09 <PovAddict> I got it open

18:10 <MTughan> On the top of that window, it'll say Mode. Choose one from there.

18:10 <PovAddict> ...

18:10 * PovAddict slaps himself

18:10 <PovAddict> I like totally missed that box

18:10 <MTughan> I figured.

18:11 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm being told I have a hungry cat. bbiab

18:15 <mweltin> just rebuilt everything and I get the same error when I build with both libs, and now I'll try with just sched.

18:16 <mweltin> same errors as before.

18:18 <xcamel> oh.. there is such a nasty joke buried in that...

18:18 <MTughan> Yeah, it's not a building issue, as Pov might like to think. It's a source issue.

18:19 <PovAddict> are you criticising me?

18:19 <PovAddict> :P

18:19 <MTughan> No, I'm criticizing BOINC source.

18:19 <mweltin> my source or boinc source?

18:19 <mweltin> oh

18:19 <FauxFaux> PovAddict wrote boinc by himself, though, MTughan.

18:20 <PovAddict> FauxFaux: no I didn't

18:20 <MTughan> No he didn't. He's not that crappy.

18:20 <PovAddict> (yet)

18:20 <MTughan> I know he wants to rewrite it from scratch though.

18:20 <FauxFaux> Hee hee. :)

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18:21 <mweltin> I don't read the dev list, has there been any talk about my problem there?

18:21 <MTughan>

18:21 <Romulus> <> (at

18:25 <mweltin> I didn't see anything in there, should I post to that list?

18:26 <MTughan> I would assume that's where it would be discussed and no, there's nothing. PovAddict, are you going to post there or should mweltin?

18:26 <PovAddict> the only posts about the topic have been DA and mweltin on boinc_projects

18:27 <MTughan> Hmm... That list doesn't seem to be on pipermail.

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18:27 <MTughan> I thought you were going to be CoderOnTheCouch...

18:28 <MTughan> Ah.

18:28 <PovAddict>

18:28 <Romulus> <> (at

18:28 <mweltin> and DA's advice was odd, in that the sample_work_generator links both.  Which is confusing, I'm not sure why I don't get an error when that is built.

18:29 <mweltin> thats why I think it could still be my code, but if so why would it work in the old system and not the new one.

18:29 <mweltin> same code

18:30 <mweltin> I have to get some lunch

18:30 <mweltin> I'll be back later

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18:34 <MTughan> Cool... Subscribed to the mailing lists under a Google IMAP account. Seems cool.

18:34 <MTughan> Anyway, dinner time.

18:38 <xcamel> enjoy..

18:51 * CoderOnTheCouch yawns

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19:00 <xcamel> slacker..

19:01 <CoderOnTheCouch> the best of both worlds

19:03 <xcamel> :-)

19:05 <CoderOnTheCouch> popcorn and PHP

19:05 <xcamel> cookies and C++

19:06 <wdsmia> Beer and sci-fi

19:06 <xcamel> you win.

19:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> lol

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19:36 <quail> ah thank god the shopping is over and done with and packed away, time to chill out and watch 'Kokoda with Heart' on the moronoscope

19:36 <Romulus> you put caps on your desktop. Move it to turn on..

19:36 <MTughan> lol, nice name.

19:37 <quail> what?

19:37 <MTughan> "moronoscope"

19:38 <quail> moronoscope = television

19:38 <quail> well moronoscope = glass tube television

19:41 * CoderOnTheCouch sits in front of the electron gun

19:41 * MTughan prefers the flat ones

19:41 <MTughan> LCDs for me right now. We still have a CRT TV.

19:41 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm watching the Dam program

19:42 <MTughan> You're short one letter. "N". xD

19:42 <CoderOnTheCouch> you're right - one letter short - "Dams"

19:43 <CoderOnTheCouch> The History Channel - Modern Marvels - Dams

19:43 <MTughan> Dams are always a cool subject. Didn't know History had anything on them though. Sounds more like Discovery.

19:44 <CoderOnTheCouch> Next - The Mayan Doomsday Calendar

19:44 <xcamel> 12/21/2012

19:44 * CoderOnTheCouch decides to stop the PHP business hours function he's Coding, and work on doomsday

19:46 <CoderOnTheCouch> Just think of the potential sales the following day, xcamel

19:47 <CoderOnTheCouch> "When the end of the world comes, I want to be in Cincinnati because it's always twenty years behind the times." - Mark Twain

19:48 * CoderOnTheCouch looks for his Muse

19:48 <CoderOnTheCouch> I've lost my Coding Muse this evening

19:50 <Soul_keeper> muse == mojo ?

19:51 <CoderOnTheCouch> Greek versus African

19:52 <efc> my muse started selling itself on the street years ago

19:52 <Soul_keeper> whatever ...

19:52 <CoderOnTheCouch> street walker

19:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> I've gone in search of my Muse

19:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> goodnight

19:54 <efc> At least she's bringing in some money now. Every time Nashville needs to churn out another hit I make $5

19:54 <xcamel> Nubian Queen VS Helen of Troy?

19:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> lol  yeah Jay - something along that line

19:55 <CoderOnTheCouch> of course, Troy wasn't downtown Hellenistic culture

19:55 <CoderOnTheCouch> cya folks

19:55 <MTughan> Bye.

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19:56 <xcamel> Got to say it.. the most beautiful woman I ever saw was Ethiopian, and working in Minneapolis

19:56 <xcamel> face to face, that is..

19:56 <FauxFaux> Dude, watch more po.. okay, I'll let you off. =p

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20:00 <efc> Last night on ABC they covered the Adult Film Awards

20:00 <efc> The award names were.. Best Actor, Best Actress, then

20:00 <efc> Best *****, Best ********, Best ****

20:00 <efc> they couldn't print the names of 90% of the awards

20:00 * MTughan is listening to Canadian Idiot by Weird Al Yankovic from Straight Outta Lynwood

20:00 <Tank_Master> lol

20:00 <MTughan> Great song... :P

20:01 <xcamel> weird Al is funny as hell..

20:01 <MTughan> lol on the awards.

20:01 <Romulus> Anyway, I have written it down is chron::makewhatis

20:01 <MTughan> Apparently we want to drive a Zamboni all over Saskatchewan. xD

20:01 <xcamel> best **** with a double **** while executing a *** splitting **** *** ....

20:02 <xcamel> and her name was "Lotta Gue"

20:02 <efc> I guess the writer's strike didn't shut them down

20:03 <efc> You just randomly combine phrases like "Pool Boy" and "UPS guy" and you have all the script required

20:06 <xcamel> is it illegal for porn to have a plot?

20:06 <PovAddict> lol

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20:07 <efc> US Title 16 Section 601 (b)

20:14 <MTughan> &math convert 59000 seconds to hours

20:14 <Romulus> MTughan: 16.3888888889

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20:14 * PovAddict plays with an open source image stitcher and holiday pictures

20:15 <PovAddict> fank thuck it's multithreaded... it's *slow*

20:18 <xcamel> sign on the wall of my advertising managers office (he is also a taxidermist)

20:18 <xcamel> "Have A Pheasant Plucking Day"

20:19 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

20:19 <Tank_Master> &more

20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

20:19 <Tank_Master> &more

20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

20:19 <Tank_Master> &more

20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

20:19 <PovAddict> lol

20:19 <Tank_Master> &more

20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

20:19 <PovAddict> wait for the weather to appear first

20:19 <Tank_Master> &more

20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 34.3F / 1.3C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1005.6hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then partly cloudy. Lows around 25. East wind 5 to 15 mph...except east wind 25 to 35 mph near The Gorge.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs around 40. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph...except east wind 15 to 25 mph (1 more message)

20:19 <Tank_Master> &more

20:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: near The Gorge.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy. Lows around 30. Light wind...except east wind 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.;

20:19 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: stfu

20:20 <Tank_Master> frikin bot

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20:23 <Romulus> slaps Tank_Master

20:24 <PovAddict> xcamel: can you use &action?

20:24 <xcamel> network is a bit hammered at the moment

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20:25 * Tank_Master bites Romulus

20:29 <xcamel> lol:

20:29 <xcamel> Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal should be a convenience store.

20:29 <Romulus> it has a cup holder :)

20:31 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout

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20:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: Would the BOINC libraries slow an application down if they were compiled with optimizations?

20:35 <MTughan> Oh, and the app is compiled with optimizations, but it's going a bit slower on some machines than before.

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20:37 <xcamel> &weather 12074

20:37 <wdsmia> LHC....Get them while there Hot

20:37 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 12.3F / -10.9C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then clearing. Lows around 5 above. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Not as cool with lows around 15. West winds (1 more message)

20:37 <xcamel> &more

20:37 <Romulus> xcamel: 5 to 10 mph.;

20:37 <PovAddict> wdsmia: w00t

20:37 <PovAddict> got one actually

20:38 <MTughan> Got two right away.

20:38 <MTughan> Anyway, PovAddict: Could the BOINC libraries without opt slow down an app with opt?

20:38 <PovAddict> I don't think so

20:39 <sethy> i do

20:39 <MTughan> Would it hurt it any to try?

20:39 <sethy> no

20:39 <sethy> it never hurts to try

20:41 <MTughan> PovAddict: The author of the page, Mauricio Alvarez. Any relation?

20:42 <Romulus> <> (at

20:42 <PovAddict> no

20:42 <PovAddict> and based on the email address, he's from spain

20:42 <MTughan> Stab in the dark, sorry.

20:44 <xcamel> never any for linux..

20:45 <wdsmia> looks like a really short run

20:45 <MTughan> PovAddict: Know what SBE extensions for PPC are? And what the ABI is?

20:46 <PovAddict> ABI is the application binary interface

20:47 <MTughan> Sorry, not SBE. SPE.

20:47 <zombie67> lhc has work

20:47 <PovAddict> if you change a method name, you would break apps compiling with your code, because you changed the API

20:47 <MTughan> Yeah, Doug told us already.

20:47 <PovAddict> but there are more subtle things that could break the ABI

20:48 <zombie67> ah

20:48 <zombie67> wb pov

20:48 <PovAddict> like changing the *order* of methods... or using a different compiler (!)

20:48 <MTughan> Because the man entry for gcc says that if I enable Altivec for PPC, I should extend the ABI with Altivec extensions.

20:50 <zombie67> SPE is what is in PS3

20:51 <PovAddict> may be a different SPE

20:51 <PovAddict> oh, not :)

20:51 <PovAddict> MTughan: the Cell processor (as in the PS3) is PowerPC, so the SPE extensions are to use the SPE "sub-processors", you don't need that for a plain old Mac

20:51 <MTughan> Ah, okay.

20:52 <zombie67> see, i'm not completely useless

20:52 <zombie67> ;)

20:52 <MTughan> I knew the PS3 used Cell processors and that they were from PPCs, but I didn't make the connection.

20:52 <Romulus> wow in the turrent or not

20:52 <MTughan> xcamel: Turned that damned markov off, would you?

20:52 <PovAddict> NO

20:52 <PovAddict> it's fun

20:52 <PovAddict> \o/

20:53 <MTughan> Hmm... Should I be linking with pthread?

20:53 <PovAddict> yes, you need pthreads on unix boinc apps

20:53 <MTughan> For the end app?

20:53 <MTughan> This is TSP BTW.

20:58 <MTughan> What the heck, probably won't change anything.

20:58 <PovAddict> for optimizing the BOINC API, I just use -O1

20:59 <PovAddict> activates the obvious, simple, and sure optimizations

20:59 <MTughan> Oh, I'm already compiling -O3. :P

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20:59 <PovAddict> no tradeoffs with code size; O1 optimizations make it a bit faster and maybe even a bit smaller

21:00 <MTughan> Well I can use Apple's -Os then. Optimize as much as possible but don't sacrifice code sie.

21:00 <MTughan> size*

21:00 <PovAddict> I thought Os was "make it as small as possible, even if that makes it slower"

21:00 <MTughan> I don't think so.

21:00 <MTughan> I believe there is another option to do that.

21:01 <MTughan> -Oz

21:01 <MTughan> And that's Apple only. "Optimize for size, regardless of performance."

21:02 <MTughan> -Os is not Apple only. "Optimize for size, but not at the expense of speed. "

21:03 <MTughan> -O2 "Optimize even more. GCC performs nearly all supported optimizations that do not involve a space-speed tradeoff."

21:04 <MTughan> Hmm.. -fast "Optimize for maximum performance."

21:05 <MTughan> Require a bit more than that because of some of the options it uses, but looks nice.

21:05 <PovAddict> O3 involves space-speed tradeoffs

21:05 <zombie67> i pick "fastest regardless of size"

21:06 <PovAddict> which in some cases *might* make things slower, due to code caches and stuff

21:06 <zombie67> esp. now tha not on AS

21:06 <xcamel> that used to work pretty good for me -- when I could still build it.

21:06 <MTughan> So -O2 or -fast?

21:06 <PovAddict> don't even care for the API

21:06 <PovAddict> make it unoptimized and it will be good enough

21:07 <MTughan> I'll leave it now, as I've already compiled with -O3.

21:07 <MTughan> If I do it again, I'll use -O1.

21:07 <MTughan> Should I bother to turn on SSEx/Altivec for the BOINC API?

21:08 <PovAddict> not for the API

21:08 <MTughan> Okay.

21:08 <PovAddict> the app spends too little time on that code for you to bother

21:09 <MTughan> But would -O2 or -fast work better for the app itself?

21:09 <PovAddict> oh definitely

21:09 <zombie67> so why no faster with -03?

21:10 <zombie67> or even slower?

21:10 <MTughan> This is where I'm looking:

21:10 <Romulus> <> (at

21:10 <MTughan> -fast might be even faster than -O3.

21:10 <MTughan> However, it also has a greater chance of inflating the code, right?

21:10 <PovAddict> yep

21:10 <PovAddict> things like loop unrolling may happen there

21:11 <MTughan> The compilation is short enough that I can play around a bit.

21:11 <MTughan> So I'll check with the current -O3, then try -O2 and -fast.

21:11 <PovAddict> silly bot

21:11 <PovAddict> &factoids info #boinc macintosh

21:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: Key "macintosh" is not locked and has 1 factoid associated with it: #1 was added by MTughan at 11:30 PM, January 21, 2008

21:11 <PovAddict> note the censored word :P

21:11 <MTughan> Yeah, I've seen that before.

21:12 <PovAddict> &whatis macintosh

21:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: "macintosh" could be

21:12 <MTughan> I had that problem with my censor script for #boinc-credit before.

21:12 <PovAddict> &factoids change macintosh

21:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: '' is not a valid key id.

21:12 <MTughan> Oh, I guess you missed that actually...

21:12 <PovAddict> hmm?

21:12 <MTughan> The BOINC credit discussion?

21:12 <Romulus> i sent to I add my mysqld to start and stop path.

21:13 <PovAddict> well I saw some of the logs, your change on the wiki announcing it, Bryan's post on the mailing list, etc

21:13 <MTughan> Ah.

21:13 <PovAddict> I did miss the discussion itself, yeah

21:13 <MTughan> Yep, we knew that.

21:13 <PovAddict> anyway, my 'hmm?' was about the factoid change error

21:13 <PovAddict> &help factoids change

21:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

21:13 <MTughan> lol

21:13 <PovAddict> ^ ^ plus that I can't check the syntax

21:13 <xcamel> PoV.. ya mind not frakking the bot?

21:13 <MTughan> &help factoids change

21:13 <Romulus> MTughan: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

21:14 <MTughan> xcamel!

21:14 <Tank_Master> lol

21:14 <PovAddict> xcamel: it was already broken when I came to try updating that factoid

21:14 <MTughan> You're the bot's admin. 0:)

21:14 <xcamel> macintosh is not a key

21:14 <xcamel> OSX is

21:15 <PovAddict> when I do "factoids info #boinc macintosh" it says "Key 'macintosh' is not locked and has 1 factoid"

21:15 <PovAddict> so looks like it is a key

21:15 <xcamel> then you frakked the db

21:15 <MTughan> lol

21:16 <PovAddict> I haven't edited any factoid

21:16 <PovAddict> ...because it didn't let me, and I can't even check help to see what I'm doing wrong

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21:17 <xcamel> Romulus, learn macintosh as

21:17 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.

21:17 <xcamel> &macintosh

21:17 <Romulus> xcamel: "macintosh" could be (#1), or (#2)

21:17 <PovAddict> that's why I was trying to use 'change'

21:18 <xcamel> what were you trying to fix

21:18 <PovAddict> I was trying to change the mac URL to point to the new version

21:18 <PovAddict> any idea what's up with 'help' on factoid commands?

21:21 <xcamel> there is a input script error

21:21 <xcamel> to late to look it up now...

21:22 <PovAddict> ok, deleted both, adding again

21:22 <PovAddict> Romulus, learn macintosh as

21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

21:22 <PovAddict> &macintosh

21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: "macintosh" could be

21:22 <PovAddict> now I figured what the error was when I tried 'change'...

21:22 <xcamel> &help macintosh

21:22 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: There is no command "macintosh".

21:22 <xcamel> &whatis macintosh

21:22 <Romulus> xcamel: "macintosh" could be

21:23 <xcamel> working correctly now

21:23 <PovAddict> &win64

21:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: "win64" could be

21:23 <MTughan> Hey, I updated those earlier today.

21:23 <PovAddict> &factoids change win64 1

21:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: '' is not a valid regular expression.

21:23 <xcamel> &random

21:23 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, MoobotFactoids, Quote, and QuoteGrabs plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".

21:23 <PovAddict> oh nice

21:23 <PovAddict> &factoids change win64 1 s/35/39/

21:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

21:24 <xcamel> &win64

21:24 <Romulus> xcamel: "win64" could be

21:24 <xcamel> close enough

21:26 <PovAddict> linux versions are outdated...

21:27 <MTughan> And GCC needs to work on it's size optimizations...

21:27 <xcamel> &linux

21:27 <Romulus> xcamel: "linux" could be

21:27 <MTughan> The smallest code sizes were achieved by -fast and -O3.

21:27 <PovAddict> xcamel: the factoids are OK, it's the releases that are outdated... *pokes Rom*

21:27 <PovAddict> :)

21:28 <Romulus> yuck sounds like a glade equivalent to WX?

21:29 <xcamel> indeed

21:29 <PovAddict> I should add "as usual"

21:30 <xcamel> someday I'll figure out how to make the MooBot work..

21:30 <PovAddict> moobot?

21:30 <xcamel> grabs the short answers from the web, if you let it

21:32 <MTughan> PovAddict: Check my results.

21:32 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 871643 (at

21:32 <MTughan> First is what opts were used. Second is code size.

21:35 <MTughan> That's compiling GA in TSP for i686-apple-darwin. API libraries were not affected.

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21:55 <mweltin> PovAddict, to try to figure out whats wrong I started to ues sample_work_generator.C as an example.

21:56 <mweltin> I have commented out all my code and only left the initialization block

21:56 <mweltin> and i still get an error

21:56 <mweltin> /home/boinc/boinc_trunk/sched/libsched.a(boinc_db.o)(.text+0xaaa): In function `DB_PLATFORM::db_parse(char**&)':

21:56 <mweltin> ../db/boinc_db.C:132: undefined reference to `strlcpy(char*, char const*, unsigned int)'

21:58 <mweltin> am I missing a header file or something.

21:58 <MTughan> Uh... I've got strcpy2 there...

21:59 <Romulus> so after I enter in a bathroom one day

22:11 <MTughan> Cool... LHC is still making work.

22:12 <wdsmia> looks like 8k pause 8k more ect

22:28 <MTughan> PovAddict: Can you join #tsp for a sec? Talking about PPC/Linux.

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22:58 <MTughan> &math calc 2 ** 6

22:58 <Romulus> MTughan: 64

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23:03 <PovAddict> &math calc 1000 / 2.156

23:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: 463.821892393

23:05 <PovAddict> &math calc 1000 / 3

23:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: 333.333333333

23:05 <PovAddict> &math calc 1000 / 3.172

23:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: 315.25851198

23:06 <infinisoft> Hmm

23:07 <PovAddict> benchmarking :)

23:07 <infinisoft> Wondering how to make a Primegrid top teams

23:08 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(2)*2*1000

23:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2828.42712475

23:08 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(2*1000)

23:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: 44.72135955

23:09 <PovAddict> lolwtf

23:09 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(2000**2+2000**2)

23:09 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2828.42712475

23:09 <PovAddict> oh so it was right...

23:09 <MTughan> sqrt(2000) == sqrt(1000)*sqrt(2)

23:09 <Romulus> took some stuff from source. I want people to be a global something

23:10 <PovAddict> I have a square

23:10 <MTughan> sqrt(2)*2000 == sqrt(2*2000**2)

23:10 <PovAddict> with a circle centered inside

23:10 <PovAddict> the circle is the size of the square, so it touches the edges

23:10 <Soul_keeper> is it possible to compile a windows binary on linux ?

23:10 <PovAddict> what size does it have to be to touch the *corners*?

23:10 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: yes it is, you need a cross-compiler

23:10 <Soul_keeper> something other than gcc ?

23:11 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: gcc can be compiled to target a different platform

23:11 <MTughan> Although it's not exactly easy...

23:12 <PovAddict> you can even compile gcc on machine A so that it runs on machine B and creates executables for machine C (all different OS or CPU type)

23:12 <MTughan> Although machine A needs its own cross-compiler then.

23:12 <PovAddict> yep

23:14 <Soul_keeper> so give me an example command

23:14 <PovAddict> there is no "example command"

23:14 <Soul_keeper> gcc -lm -o lspi lspi.c        compile on machine A for machine A

23:14 <Soul_keeper> is there a -windows or some junk ?

23:14 <PovAddict> you need to download gcc sourcecode, compile gcc itself targeting a different platform, then use that

23:15 <Soul_keeper> why wouldn't it do that by default ?

23:15 <PovAddict> gcc cannot be built to compile to *multiple* targets

23:15 <Soul_keeper> that's lame

23:15 <PovAddict> and you also need the assembler, linker, etc. for the target platform

23:15 <Soul_keeper> i'm not gonna recompile gcc ...

23:16 * Soul_keeper abandons the idea of trying to compile something for a windows user that is too stupid to compile things himself

23:16 <MTughan> PovAddict: I might disagree with your statement... Apple's GCC can compile for 4 platforms.

23:16 <MTughan> With just a -arch flag.

23:16 <infinisoft> sweet :D Got a primegrid teams list

23:17 <infinisoft>

23:17 <Romulus> <> (at

23:17 <MTughan> -arch (i386 x86_64 ppc ppc64)

23:17 <PovAddict> MTughan: any idea about my circle-in-square question? I can't get it right

23:18 <PovAddict> wait, wtf... I know why...

23:18 <PovAddict> this isn't 0..1, it's 0..255

23:18 <MTughan> Sorry, what were you trying to figure out?

23:18 <MTughan> To touch the corners...

23:18 <Romulus> its still better than nothing...

23:19 <MTughan> r=sqrt(2 * ( (side / 2) ** 2) )

23:20 <MTughan> r == circle radius and side == square side

23:20 <MTughan> PovAddict: Is that what you were looking for?

23:20 <PovAddict> the circle is sort of already radius 256

23:20 <MTughan> You want a square for the inside?

23:20 <PovAddict> I need to scale the numbers to have it touch the corners of a square with size side 1000

23:21 <PovAddict> side size*

23:21 <MTughan> There's your equation. Plug in the side length, and it'll give you the radius the circle needs to be.

23:21 <MTughan> From there, divide the needed radius by your radius, and you have the scaling number.

23:21 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(2*(500**2))

23:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: 707.106781187

23:22 <PovAddict> &math calc 707/256

23:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2.76171875

23:22 <MTughan> &math calc [math calc sqrt(2*(500**2))] / 256

23:22 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.76213586401

23:22 <PovAddict> o.o

23:22 <PovAddict> ok, still fucked up...

23:22 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

23:22 <zombie67> MT:  question

23:23 <PovAddict> so let's put it in more specific terms

23:23 <zombie67>

23:23 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at

23:23 <zombie67> scroll down to 5.10.39

23:23 <MTughan> Yes...

23:23 <zombie67> vs

23:23 <zombie67> difference?

23:24 <PovAddict> one has GUI one doesn't?

23:24 <MTughan> is the one you should be linked to. As for the diff, I couldn't tell you.

23:24 <MTughan> Probably...

23:24 <zombie67> non-gui for osx?  not likely

23:24 <MTughan> Wait...

23:24 <PovAddict>

23:24 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at

23:24 <zombie67> well maybe

23:25 <MTughan> is command line, is GUI.

23:25 <PovAddict> note how all mac versions have (standard GUI) and (Unix command-line version)

23:25 <zombie67> but odd naming, no?

23:25 <MTughan> Dang it, I just upgraded to 5.10.38 yesterday...

23:25 <PovAddict> yep, got it...

23:26 <PovAddict> my circle wasn't 256 radius

23:26 <zombie67> I will dl the bigger one, assuming that is the gui

23:26 <MTughan> Eh. I don't name them, and as long as the links work, I'm fine.

23:26 <PovAddict> it was some strange radius

23:26 <PovAddict> I was never doing sqrt

23:26 <MTughan> zombie67: is the GUI.

23:26 <zombie67> thanks.  back to what you were doing

23:30 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1000)

23:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: 31.6227766017

23:30 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1855)

23:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: 43.0697109347

23:31 <PovAddict> &math calc 1855**2

23:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: 3441025

23:31 <PovAddict> &math calc 1855/256

23:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: 7.24609375

23:33 <PovAddict> &math calc 1940/256

23:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: 7.578125

23:33 <Soul_keeper> &math calc pi

23:33 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 3.14159265359

23:33 <PovAddict> &math calc sqrt(1940)

23:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: 44.0454310911

23:33 <PovAddict> &math calc 256/1940

23:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: 0.131958762887

23:33 <PovAddict> :o

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