IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-01-30

00:01 <MTughan> &cad

00:01 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

00:01 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:01 <Romulus> http://www.xkcd.com/

00:03 <PovAddict> xkcd++

00:03 <MTughan> Heh...

00:22 <efc> THAT IS DEPRWSSING

00:22 <efc> oops

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01:27 <efc> cool, i can actually buy a p200mmx new for $7

01:27 <MTughan> Heh...

01:28 <efc> also the older memory I need (DDR ECC) at a decent price

01:29 <efc> to go for 3 gigs or 2 ...

01:31 <efc> p200 would have seemed so fast back then.. Now you put the same software on there and it seems slow

01:32 <MTughan> Get Mac OS 7.

01:32 <MTughan> Built in assembler rather than C... So probably wouldn't run under a P2.

01:32 <efc> I think the x86 port of that one has been delayed

01:33 <MTughan> lol

01:38 <efc> I liked the P2s.. they were pretty tough physically with that cartridge

01:38 <efc> still have one sitting around after its MB (a dual :(  ) blew out

01:42 <efc> really hated it when that MB went.. paid extra for it but never got CPU #2

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01:54 <efc> these people on ebay would sell more if they'd describe what they are selling with a clear photograph..

01:56 <Tank_Master> hehe

01:58 <efc> Computer memory.. Lots of chips.. << blurry photograph of blank side >>

01:59 <mweltin> scam?

02:00 <Tank_Master> anyone know how much it costs to ship a comp accross the states?

02:00 <efc> Nah, just incompetant (and I made that one up)

02:00 <mweltin> $10

02:00 <efc> $30-50 I'd guess, I had to ship that 9 track and it was about $40

02:00 <Soul_keeper> Grand Total:*  $453.96

02:00 <Soul_keeper> my parts on newegg ...

02:01 <efc> cool

02:01 <Tank_Master> cuz I have 3 comps - more later - for sale, didnt get any hits on cregs list

02:01 <Tank_Master> so I was thinkin og foinf to -ebay next

02:01 <Tank_Master> going*

02:01 <efc> I'd check and see how similar stuff is selling..

02:01 <Tank_Master> need $$ for new quads ;)

02:01 <Soul_keeper> anyone wanna "loan" me 454 bucks ?

02:02 <Tank_Master> heh

02:02 <efc> I've been picking it over for that DDR ECC but figure I'll buy it new now

02:02 <Tank_Master> what speed?

02:02 <efc> PC3200 DDR400 ECC non-registered

02:02 <Tank_Master> I have 2 sticks of registered ECC

02:02 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:02 <Tank_Master> 266 and 333 here

02:02 <Soul_keeper> they got a lot of mail in rebates these days, guess they are trying to spur the slow sales

02:02 <Romulus> and i'm always available IRC

02:03 <Tank_Master> or get rid of inventory

02:03 <MTughan> I have 2x512MB PC3200 Non ECC unbuffered RAM in my P4.

02:03 <efc> Memory prices are funny.. starts high, lowers near end of life, spikes crazy after out of production, then crashes when people start breaking up systems for parts

02:03 <Soul_keeper> you can get 2GB of DDR2 for like 40 bucks

02:04 <Tank_Master> ecc?

02:04 <Soul_keeper> no

02:04 <efc> I can get 1 gig (2x512) for $50 and 2 gig for $100, by far the best I found for new

02:05 <efc> same MTughan, I got a dell barebones server, which had ECC

02:05 <efc> It would be interesting to know how many errors its corrected in all this time

02:05 <MTughan> lol

02:06 <efc> statistically you should get a few a month from cosmic rays and such

02:06 <Tank_Master> more if you o/c

02:07 <efc> the faster/smaller it gets, the less energy it takes to flip a bit

02:07 <efc> This machine has been really stable.. Hard to say why ..

02:08 <mweltin> didn't Fyman figure out the min energy needed to flip a bit.

02:09 <efc> I remember some study where they figured it out and used to exploit a JVM

02:09 <efc> basically allocate a ton of memory and wait for a cosmic ray to flip a bit, corrupt a reference, and create a buffer overflow

02:09 <mweltin> NO WAY

02:10 <mweltin> stack smashing for fun and profit.

02:10 <mweltin> thats cool

02:10 <Soul_keeper> they say high elevation increases the need for ecc ...

02:10 <Tank_Master> more rays?

02:11 <Soul_keeper> i guess

02:11 <efc> Its a problem in spacecraft, they get a lot

02:12 <efc> They might still be using 386s in the shuttle.. its a big enough process that its hard to flip bits\

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02:22 <Tank_Master> anywho, im of to bed

02:22 <mweltin> night tank

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03:06 <mweltin> Clusty, hi

03:06 <clusty> mweltin, hey amigo

03:07 <clusty> all good?

03:07 <mweltin> as good as it can be.

03:08 <clusty> watter murky?

03:08 <clusty> :D

03:08 <clusty> or skies cloudy?

03:08 <efc> whoa, major wind out there

03:08 <efc> &weather 31088

03:08 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 61F / 16C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Rain likely with a slight chance of thunderstorms...then rain likely after midnight. Windy. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph shifting to the west 15 to 25 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Wednesday - Sunny. (1 more message)

03:08 <mweltin> yeah we had a murky dive today, but skys are clear.

03:09 <clusty> bad trip :D

03:09 <clusty> mweltin, have a question

03:09 <clusty> about validators

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03:09 <mweltin> ok

03:09 <clusty> if lets say I have set min_quorum to 3

03:09 <clusty> how do I compare results?

03:09 <clusty> cause I can compare just 2?

03:10 <clusty> boinc will call function for all pairs?

03:10 <mweltin> yes

03:10 <clusty> ok

03:10 <mweltin> it's all done for you

03:10 <clusty> great

03:10 <mweltin> I had the same question

03:10 <clusty> i just gotta provide comparison of a pair

03:10 <clusty> also:

03:10 <mweltin> when I started my first validator.

03:10 <mweltin> yes

03:10 <clusty> asked some david dev dude

03:10 <clusty> :D

03:10 <mweltin> david Anderson?

03:10 <clusty> he said that the assimilator has access to initial data

03:10 <clusty> yeah\

03:10 <clusty> that guy

03:11 <mweltin> hahaha

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03:11 <mweltin> yeah he is a good one

03:11 <clusty> I can't find how to access data

03:11 <clusty> from assimilators

03:11 <clusty> he pointed me towards backend functions

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03:11 <clusty> but they just return the hashed directory where the input was

03:12 <clusty> but i gotta know name of input files

03:12 <mweltin> well I guess you should have the workunit name or result name, and should be able to open that file.

03:13 <clusty> wu name is available

03:13 <mweltin> the name should be part of the structure

03:13 <clusty> so I guess i can figure out from wuname_result# and so forth the full name

03:13 <mweltin> the file in the dir will be the name of the work unit with some underscores.

03:13 <clusty> guess its easier if i do the opaque stuff

03:13 <mweltin> look for canonical result id.

03:13 <clusty> what a canonical res?

03:14 <clusty> what's*

03:14 <mweltin> so you send out a bunch of tasts right, and they are all the same.

03:14 <mweltin> ntarget results

03:14 <clusty> yes

03:15 <mweltin> and you have a quorum, or the number of results that need to match.

03:15 <clusty> yes

03:15 <clusty> but what do ppl refer to as canonical res?

03:15 <mweltin> well if you have three matching results, you don't need all three, you NEED just one.  The one boinc picks is the canonical one.

03:16 <clusty> random?

03:16 <clusty> or i can actually tell it which

03:16 <mweltin> the WU structure will have a canonical result ID if I remember correctly.

03:16 <mweltin> random, could be I don't know.

03:16 <clusty> cause here is my case:

03:16 <clusty> i train a neural net

03:16 <clusty> training=has a random nr generator

03:16 <clusty> that all wu's get different seed

03:16 <Romulus> Get one of her favorite tv shows from pi

03:16 <clusty> so results are different

03:17 <mweltin> nr ?

03:17 <clusty> number

03:17 <mweltin> ah

03:17 <mweltin> yes

03:17 <clusty> neural net does time series predictiopn

03:17 <clusty> and certain nets will predict better than others (that i deem acceptable)

03:17 <mweltin> I run a GA and send out the same seed

03:17 <clusty> can I choose trully the best predicotr?

03:17 <clusty> thats bad

03:18 <clusty> same seed cripples training

03:18 <mweltin> well its good for matching up results.

03:18 <clusty> indeed

03:18 <clusty> anyways

03:18 <clusty> just a detail

03:18 <mweltin> but that is only for a workunit.

03:18 <mweltin> anyways

03:18 <mweltin> we are doing almost the same thing.

03:18 <clusty> I dont expect results to be that different

03:18 <clusty> :D

03:19 <clusty> my company has to train like 100k nnets

03:19 <clusty> back in 5 min

03:20 <mweltin> well all the resuts for one workunit should be the same as they all have the same seed.

03:20 <mweltin> I don't think I know what the problem is.

03:20 <mweltin> are these regular feed forward NN's?

03:22 <mweltin> or are they more like a self organizing map without an expert (i.e. train set)

03:26 <mweltin> The only thing I could think of  that may cause an error between NN's is a rounding error on different platforms.  Unless your learning rate, or momentum term are that precise it shouldn't matter.

03:31 <clusty> mweltin, nope :D

03:31 <clusty> mweltin, not regular BB

03:31 <clusty> mweltin, convex echo state :D

03:31 <mweltin> BP?

03:31 <clusty> BP?

03:31 <mweltin> BackProp

03:31 <clusty> whats that?

03:31 <mweltin> BB?

03:32 <mweltin> Back Propagation of error.

03:32 <clusty> guess so

03:32 <mweltin> what is BB

03:32 <clusty> not really sure of detauils

03:32 <clusty> oops

03:32 <clusty> BB=NN

03:32 <mweltin> convex echo state ?

03:32 <clusty> +/-1 i key :D

03:32 <mweltin> never heard of it.

03:33 <clusty> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_state_network

03:33 <Romulus> Title: Echo state network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

03:33 <clusty> echo state

03:33 <mweltin> cool this is a new one on me.

03:33 <clusty> working with the guy that invented them

03:33 <clusty> not directly

03:34 <mweltin> recurrent NN's I have seen.

03:35 <clusty> i hate NN's if you ask me :D

03:35 <clusty> i am just boinckifying them

03:35 <clusty> :D

03:35 <mweltin> lazy mans analysis

03:35 <clusty> writing the wrapper routine

03:35 <clusty> :

03:35 <clusty> :D

03:36 <clusty> slight modifications to the wrapper code

03:36 <clusty> and new assimilator/validators

03:36 <clusty> thats my job

03:36 <clusty> and a crippled client that connects just to use for future industrial partners

03:36 <clusty> just to us*

03:36 <clusty> damn

03:36 <clusty> need my coffee

03:36 <clusty> back in a sec

03:38 <clusty> here i am

03:38 <clusty> damn,

03:39 <clusty> have any idea how I can register a service in windows?

03:39 <clusty> or I add a screensaver?

03:40 <mweltin> sorry I have no idea about the graphics part of boinc.

03:40 <clusty> its more windows stuff

03:40 <clusty> i need to make my manager start with windows

03:40 <mweltin> and very little about windows.

03:40 <clusty> same

03:40 <clusty> never did any serious work

03:40 <mweltin> you can check the control panel

03:40 <clusty> windoze is just for games

03:41 <mweltin> the display settings is where you set the screen saver.

03:41 <mweltin> that much I know.

03:42 <mweltin> you probably have to register a service via the registry, but that is a total guess.  and even if it were true I'd have no idea where to start.

03:53 * CoderForLife sleeps in his chair

03:53 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

03:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 17.9F / -7.8C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Overnight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. Windy with lows around 20. West winds 25 to 30 mph with gusts up to 50 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny and blustery. Highs in the mid 20s. West winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to (1 more message)

03:53 <CoderForLife> &more

03:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 40 mph in the morning.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows 15 to 20. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph... becoming east after midnight.; Wind Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 9:00 AM EST on January 30, 2008;

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03:59 <mweltin> CFL morn'n

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04:03 <CoderForLife> morning

04:08 <CoderForLife> bbiab

04:11 <clusty> ahoy

04:11 <mweltin> hey

04:12 <mweltin> you disappeared for a while there.

04:16 <clusty> sorry

04:16 <clusty> boss ran in

04:16 <clusty> i had to show him my baby :D

04:16 <clusty> got it easier : startup shortcut

04:16 <clusty> that start minimized

04:20 <clusty> how is your boinc btw?

04:20 <clusty> got it to do jobs automagically :D?

04:22 <mweltin> yes

04:22 <mweltin> things are running smooth

04:22 <mweltin> so much so there is very little chatter on teh forum.

04:23 <clusty> :D

04:26 <clusty> got ripped off by net provider :(

04:26 <clusty> i am getting like half the bandwidth he promised

04:27 <mweltin> what company?

04:27 <clusty> kabel deutchland

04:27 <clusty> only cable internet provider

04:28 <clusty> he said I will have 400kb/s upload

04:28 <clusty> and getting rarely more than 200

04:28 <clusty> no matter how many torrents i start :D

04:28 <mweltin> what is your download speed?

04:28 <clusty> theoretical?

04:28 <clusty> or practical?

04:29 <mweltin> theoretical

04:29 <clusty> 30.000kb/s

04:29 <mweltin> practical?

04:29 <clusty> thats like 4MB

04:29 <clusty> practical not more than 1.5

04:30 <mweltin> cable or DSL ?

04:30 <clusty> cable

04:30 <mweltin> or something else?

04:30 <mweltin> there should be a software cap on your moden.

04:31 <clusty> i have a diff theory:

04:31 <clusty> building is old and cables suck

04:31 <mweltin> could be

04:31 <clusty> big attenuation prolly

04:32 <clusty> cause they changes all cables in my apart

04:33 <mweltin> cable is shared, if you were the only one in your building you might get what they promised.

04:33 <mweltin> does it get better on off peak hours?

04:33 <mweltin> say like 3am ?

04:33 <clusty> i am first surely

04:33 <clusty> cause they changed amplifier

04:34 <clusty> b4 was only one way amplif

04:34 <clusty> good for cable TV

04:34 <clusty> they put inside a two way amplif

04:43 <mweltin> I'm going to take off soon, do you have any more questions clusty?

04:43 <clusty> mweltin, thanx thanx

04:43 <clusty> all is going bad

04:43 <clusty> gnite

04:44 <clusty> may you see a lot of turtles :D

04:44 <clusty> ..in your dreams

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04:44 <mweltin> thanks

04:44 <mweltin> bye

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05:01 <CoderForLife> well, I'm going to drop off and get to w@#% early, so I can sit and Code in peace

05:01 <CoderForLife> later

05:02 <Tidus> seeya

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05:17 <John37309> hello

05:17 <Tidus> hi

05:18 <Kathryn> Hi all

05:18 <John37309> Hi Tidus, my first time onthis for a long time

05:18 <Tidus> that's not a problem. I haven't been on here in ages myself

05:19 <John37309> last time i was on irc, i did not know what boinc was, or seti@home

05:20 <John37309> Is this chat area for general BOINC chat?. Or have i joined a particular group. Is this run by....i dono

05:21 <Kathryn> General boinc chat, questions and usually craziness :-)

05:21 <John37309> i c kathryn. Nice to see you here

05:21 <Kathryn> Welcome John37309

05:22 <John37309> many of the user names are fimilar

05:22 <Kathryn> Yeah.  These folks are like bad pennies.  They show up everywhere.

05:22 * Kathryn wonders how long before Pov slaps me...

05:23 <John37309> tell me, does irc have a built in spell check at this stage?

05:23 <Kathryn> I use xchat on Linux and it does.

05:23 <clusty> John37309, my client does

05:23 <clusty> :D

05:23 <clusty> likewise

05:23 <Kathryn> Hi clusty :

05:23 <Kathryn> :)

05:23 <clusty> ahoy btw

05:23 <clusty> :D

05:23 <Tidus> i use hydrairc on windows

05:24 <Tidus> and hi all

05:24 <clusty> i used xchat all over

05:24 <clusty> GPL ftw :D

05:24 <John37309> i have mIRC. They will be looking for $20 in a few days time

05:24 <Kathryn> I saw that.  SOmeone on #wordpress.com recommended it.

05:25 * clusty tells John37309 in a soft voice: Crack it

05:25 <Kathryn> I'm such a cheap skate...  I don't know the last time I paid for software.

05:25 <clusty> never my case :D

05:25 <clusty> always used univ/company licenses

05:25 <clusty> and if not cracked

05:25 <John37309> me too. How to i save the $20?

05:25 <Tidus> John37309, it mirc won't disable itself after its evaluation

05:25 <Kathryn> Very handy

05:26 <clusty> Tidus, but message is annotying

05:26 <Tidus> it won't disable anything.  just keep nagging you

05:26 <clusty> my main problem with mIRC: face of the dev gui which I dont like :D

05:26 <clusty> which he posts on mirc

05:27 <John37309> So, do you think mIRC will stay running after the 30 days?

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05:27 <clusty> surely

05:28 <John37309> super

05:28 <clusty> i used to use MIRC in the dark days

05:28 <clusty> when I was not aware of linux

05:28 <John37309> clusty, what did you say you are using now?

05:28 <clusty> xchat

05:28 <John37309> i c

05:29 <Romulus> but... if this gives you an invite. we have cori too

05:29 <clusty> there is no official windows built

05:29 <clusty> but there are tons of builds onnet

05:29 <John37309> whats a good one/

05:30 <clusty> lemme look

05:31 <clusty> dunno about spell checking capabilities: http://www.silverex.org/download/xchat-2.8.4-1.exe

05:31 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/11q6> (at www.silverex.org)

05:31 <John37309> will check that out

05:32 <clusty> google for xchat win32

05:32 <clusty> you will see a bunch of alternatives

05:32 <clusty> also: pidgin has IRC capabilites i think

05:32 <clusty> it does

05:32 <Tidus> trillian is irc capable

05:32 <clusty> and pidgin has surely spellchecker

05:33 <clusty> trill is fat and costs cash L:D

05:33 <clusty> :D

05:33 <clusty> but its a funky product

05:33 <John37309> ok, will just download that and back in a while. Thanks guys

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05:33 <Kathryn> irc on pidgin was sort of funky.  but I don't know what about it I didn't really care for.

05:34 <Kathryn> I use it for everything else though.

05:35 <Kathryn> clusty, did you hunt down your linux bug?

05:35 <clusty> Kathryn, nope :D

05:35 <clusty> Kathryn, i ran in more trouble :D

05:35 <Romulus> about rthe size of a failing drive. Beating it while it's dying...

05:35 <Kathryn> lol

05:35 <clusty> tried a funny driver from nvidia

05:35 <clusty> to enable some cool developing options

05:36 <clusty> and it screwed X

05:36 <Kathryn> ouch

05:36 <clusty> just that i did not restart PC for a long time

05:36 <clusty> so it became appart just now

05:38 <Kathryn> I have an ubutnu partition.  Shortly after Gutsy came out, I upgraded from Feisty.  Monitor support was supposed to be better.  I managed to seriously screw up my screen resolution.  But at least I managed to put it back the way it was before.  It just wan't apparent until after a reboot.

05:38 <Kathryn> I'll stick with Fedora.  It's just worked for me.

05:38 <clusty> i was a debian fanboy

05:38 <clusty> :D

05:39 <clusty> but ubuntu swept me off my feet

05:39 <clusty> its debian feel together with nice autoconfiguration tools

05:39 <Kathryn> :)

05:39 <clusty> ...but it starts doing too many things by iteself

05:39 <Tidus> i'm a gentoo nut

05:39 <clusty> it becomes a drag doing things the good old text way

05:40 <Tidus> i prefer my system's a bit minimalistic

05:41 <clusty> compiling system for 6 hours is unacceptable :D

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05:42 <Kathryn> Just the thought of compiling my own kernel scares the crap out of me.

05:43 <Kathryn> wb John37309

05:43 <John37309> thanks:)

05:43 <John37309> i got the x-chat thing. Looks good

05:44 <John37309> your guys saved me $20. Thank you!

05:44 <clusty> Kathryn, its not as bad

05:44 <clusty> you get funny x interface even

05:44 <clusty> welcome

05:44 <clusty> glad you like the proggie

05:45 <Kathryn> maybe someday.  The first time I compiled anything it was scary.

05:45 <Kathryn> Now it's fairly easy (if it works that is)

05:46 <clusty> well most likely first try you get a kernel panic :D

05:46 <John37309> when mIRC is about to expire, you get the warning message telling you to pay the 20 bucks. But the one thing i never liked was the picture of the guys face in the warning message. He looks a bit freeky!

05:46 <Kathryn> :)

05:46 <clusty> i'm coming after you :D

05:46 <Kathryn> I've already lived through my first kernel panic.

05:46 <clusty> ...ye bloody rogue

05:47 <Tidus> i can configure kernels in my sleep...

05:47 <Kathryn> Let's just say when you edit the selinux config file, make tootin' sure you edit the correct line...

05:47 <Tidus> and not have it panic on boot

05:47 <clusty> it is helpfull to get some distro kernel rather the vanilla

05:48 <clusty> cause they are preconfigured

05:48 <clusty> to make your job easier to get it booting

05:48 <Tidus> gentoo uses its own patchset, but you still have to config it yourself :)

05:48 <clusty> Tidus, i tried for some time BSD's

05:49 <clusty> ever since I got scared with auto downlaoding depending libs

05:49 <clusty> and compiling

05:49 <clusty> the BSD ports were always out of date

05:49 <xcamel_away> boo

05:49 <clusty> ahhhhh\

05:49 <clusty> :D

05:49 * clusty runs in fear

05:49 * Kathryn hides in the corner

05:50 <Kathryn> brb...  gotta put dinner in the oven.

05:53 <Kathryn> back

05:54 <clusty> whats cooking?

05:55 <Kathryn> mexican mac and cheese

05:56 <clusty> cute

05:56 <clusty> student food :D

05:56 <Kathryn> I do the best I can here.

05:56 <Kathryn> I had tofu last night.

05:56 <clusty> that i dont like

05:56 <Kathryn> :)

05:56 <clusty> :(

05:56 <Romulus> Getting 3,673 credits in AI now.

06:01 <Tidus> clusty, gentoo's package versions are almost always newer than what you'll find in debian / (k,x,edu,u)buntu

06:01 <clusty> in the mood for a DIY project :D

06:01 <clusty> Tidus, very true

06:01 <clusty> the few apps that I do care about i self compile them

06:02 <Tidus> my gentoo was using glibc 2.7 and gcc 4.2.1 as its toolchain

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06:16 <clusty> going for lunch

06:17 <clusty> a yummy curry sauce sandwitch

06:17 <clusty> umm umm umm

06:17 <clusty> mouth is all wattery with anticipation

06:17 <Kathryn> nummy

06:21 <Tidus> i dont know what i'm eating yet

06:25 <hawmps> 'mornin

06:25 <Kathryn> mornin hawmps

06:26 <Kathryn> LOL

06:26 <Kathryn> http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/superman-action-figure.jpg

06:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1TVF> (at www.engrish.com)

06:27 <hawmps> mornin Kathryn

06:28 <Tidus> mornin hawmps

06:28 <Romulus> Llamas. Like little kids... so demanding :-)

06:28 * Kathryn laughs at romulus

06:34 <Tidus> that bot is nearly daft

06:34 <Kathryn> :)

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06:47 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

06:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 1F / -17C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Early This Morning - Mostly clear. West wind 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill readings around 15 below.; Today - Very cold. Partly sunny in the morning...then cloudy with a slight chance of snow early in the afternoon. Cloudy with a chance of snow late in the afternoon. (1 more message)

06:47 <wdsmia> &more

06:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: High 10 to 15. West wind near 10 mph shifting to the east in the afternoon. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow. Low around 10. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph.;

06:47 <andresgr> Hi

06:48 <wdsmia> mornin

06:48 <andresgr> Any GridRepublic users here?

06:48 <andresgr> I have a gridrepublic account with all Biology/Medecine projects selected

06:48 <andresgr> those include the ones that pertain to WorldCommunityGrid

06:50 <andresgr> the problem is that "WorldCommunityGrid" is viewed by gridrepublic as a single project in the resource partition process

06:50 <andresgr> So, if i left the things as de default instalation does

06:50 <andresgr> s/de/the

06:51 <andresgr> WCG projects, as a hole, will get the same resources that Rosetta@home for example

06:52 <andresgr> It would be more "natural" if each of the WCG projects had the same weight as the others projects

06:52 <andresgr> don't you think?

06:52 <Kathryn> within BOINC, WCG is considered 1 project with multiple subprojects.  PrimeGrid is the same.

06:53 <Kathryn> So instead of attaching to 6 (or however many different projects), you just attach to one.

06:53 <Kathryn> I'm not sure how WCG does their subprojects.

06:53 <Kathryn> It's been ages since I ran it.

06:54 <Kathryn> But I don't think I"m really addressing your concern.   so I'll just go hide in the corner.

06:55 <andresgr> Kathryn, you are confirming what i think it is an "unfair" behaviour

06:57 <Kathryn> I'm not sure why it's unfair though.

06:57 <Kathryn> Is it that you want to do more WCG than everything else...  or?

07:14 <hawmps> there are a number of "unfair" behaviors in boinc projects

07:15 <Kathryn> Ah yes...  the good old credit debates :)

07:17 <andresgr> i think each of the WCG projects should "weight" the same as the every other project

07:17 <andresgr> for example, WCG - Help Conquer the Cancer should weight the same as Rosetta@home

07:27 <wdsmia> when you say weight are you talking resources?

07:28 <Tidus> i think they're talking processor time

07:28 <wdsmia> then just set up your boinc resources... ie if running 5 proj WCG and 5 boinc, 50% share to WCG and 10% to the others

07:30 <wdsmia> 10% each to the others

07:31 <andresgr> i now i could do that

07:31 <andresgr> what i'm saying is that default behaviour shold do that

07:31 <andresgr> should

07:32 <wdsmia> one size does not fit all

07:32 <andresgr> and it is not so much about doing %'s

07:32 <andresgr> is just as simple as "consider each WCG project a complete project"

07:33 <andresgr> and not all WCG projects as only one

07:33 <andresgr> well, i think this is the most "natural" way...

07:33 * wdsmia needs more coffee

07:35 <andresgr> after the caffeine please tell me if you agree with me :)

07:36 <clusty> ...and the curry was good

07:37 <wdsmia> I think your like the person that builds a new house at the end of a airport runway thats been there for 30 years, then complains about the  noise

07:39 <andresgr> hehe. ok

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07:40 <andresgr> you mean "me" or you mean "me, WCG user"

07:40 <andresgr> iirc WCG is as old as boinc...

07:40 <andresgr> anyway

07:41 <andresgr> i'm talking like fresh air entering in a long-time closed room :)

07:41 <clusty> wdsmia, lool

07:42 <Kathryn> Gee thanks clusty.  Now I'm craving curry.

07:43 <Kathryn> Maybe for lunch tomorrow.

07:43 <clusty> i used to hate curry

07:43 <Romulus> and i needed a visa :(

07:43 <clusty> the uni cantina used to serve the most disgusting curry dishes

07:43 <clusty> yuck

07:44 <clusty> i get goosebums rememberuing the foods

07:44 * Kathryn shudders at the thought of the marnina at uni

07:54 <Kathryn> Anyone see Markus' feature on ISGTW?

07:54 <Kathryn> http://www.isgtw.org/?pid=1000844

07:54 <Romulus> Title: iSGTW Feature - Traveling salesman meets distributed computing (at www.isgtw.org)

08:04 <clusty> isgtw?

08:04 <clusty> whatys that?

08:04 <clusty> ohhh great

08:04 <clusty> :D

08:13 <hawmps> curry... what it can't cure... it kills.

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08:52 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

08:52 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 24.8F / -4.0C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 23.45in / 794.0hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Colder. Snow showers likely. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches with some blowing and drifting snow possible. Highs 26 to 32. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 10 percent chance of (1 more message)

08:52 <Bad_At_Home> &more

08:52 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: snow showers in the evening...partly cloudy after midnight. No snow accumulation. Lows 1 below to 9 above zero. Northwest winds around 15 mph in the evening becoming light.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs 32 to 38. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph in the afternoon.;

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09:35 <BiteAbleKat> twitter just told me john edwards is quitting the presidential race

09:38 <wdsmia> Giuliani also

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09:39 <BiteAbleKat> some behind the scenes manuvering  perhaps?

09:39 <BiteAbleKat> maybe he will be vice president

09:42 <desti> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7217838.stm

09:42 <Romulus> Title: BBC NEWS | Americas | Edwards 'quits' White House race (at news.bbc.co.uk)

09:43 <hawmps> Fox News confirms John Edwards to Drop Out Of Presidential Race (Breaking News)

09:44 <hawmps> julie-annie to drop out too..

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09:46 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

09:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 36.1F / 2.3C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain and snow showers likely in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Snow level 500 feet rising to 1000 feet in the afternoon. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch above 500 feet. Highs around 40. South wind 10 to 20 mph.; Tonight - (2 more messages)

09:46 <Tank_Master> &more

09:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Rain...breezy. Snow level 1000 feet rising to 1200 feet after midnight. Snow accumulation up to 2 inches above 1000 feet. Lows around 35. South wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 25 mph after midnight.; Thursday - Rain in the morning...then showers in the afternoon. Breezy. Highs 40 to 45. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph.; Snow Advisory for Washington County in effect until 9:00 AM PST on January (1 more message)

09:46 <Tank_Master> &more

09:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 30, 2008;

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09:51 <hawmps> anyone who wants to hammer that web poll again for fun, the new 'vote number' is 306538

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10:18 <hawmps> 'lo larry

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10:21 <desti> http://www.lexpress.fr/info/economie/infojour/infos.asp?id=141908

10:21 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1T_$> (at www.lexpress.fr)

10:22 <hawmps> new script >> http://pastebin.com/m1d3822d2

10:22 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

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11:04 <hawmps> 40 and nice to 30 and mini-blizzard...

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11:51 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

11:51 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 25.5F / -3.6C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 23.48in / 795.0hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 8.3mph / 13.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Colder. Snow showers likely. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches with some blowing and drifting snow possible. Highs 26 to 32. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 10 percent chance (1 more message)

11:51 <BadBarbarian> &more

11:51 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: of snow showers in the evening...partly cloudy after midnight. No snow accumulation. Lows 1 below to 9 above zero. Northwest winds around 15 mph in the evening becoming light.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs 32 to 38. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph in the afternoon.;

11:51 <hawmps> looks like it warmed up..

11:52 <BadBarbarian> overcast

11:52 <BadBarbarian> going to be nippy tonite

11:58 <zombie67> yoyo is down

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12:09 <sethy> gais

12:14 <hawmps> >>  new script to bang that web poll ..>> http://pastebin.com/m1d3822d2

12:20 <PovAddict> pastebin not loading

12:22 <PovAddict> hmm strange, where did you get that URL?

12:22 <PovAddict> your script shows optionID 306538, yet from what I can see, Ron Paul is 283186 and Fred Thompson is 283189

12:31 <PovAddict> hawmps?

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12:40 <hawmps> yes?

12:40 <PovAddict> you sure you're voting in the right poll? :)

12:40 <hawmps> wrong page now...

12:40 <hawmps> http://www.wgy.com/pages/strawpoll/bonus.html

12:41 <PovAddict> ohh

12:41 <hawmps> the bonus round..

12:41 <PovAddict> ok then yes, that's Al Roney

12:42 <PovAddict> wait no, gotta change PollID for that

12:42 <hawmps> bingo.. seee.. I learned something..

12:42 <PovAddict> http://www.wgy.com/cc-common/polling_tool/insertPoll.php?poll_id=66652&redirect=/pages/strawpoll/bonus.html&optionID=306538

12:42 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1TcD> (at www.wgy.com)

12:43 <PovAddict> heh, upgrading from Vista to XP: http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archive/2007/12/14/review-windows-xp.aspx

12:43 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Ic4> (at dotnet.org.za)

12:43 <hawmps> anything to knock down ron paul..

12:59 <TM-Work> that site is a load of crap

12:59 <Romulus> xcamel: Do you have any more questions clusty?

12:59 <TM-Work> the xp is better than vista one

13:03 * TM-Work slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout

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13:48 <Romulus> slaps TM-Work back with a m!@#ive flounder

13:50 * wdsmia takes the trout from TM-Work and the flounder from Romulus and has a fish fry

13:55 <hawmps> 'lo Doug

13:56 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

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14:54 <hawmps> winds sure cranking up now...

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15:30 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Wed Jan 30 15:30:26 2008|yoyo@home|Scheduler request failed: HTTP file not found

15:31 <PovAddict> :o

15:31 <PovAddict> http://www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/

15:31 <MTughan> The homepage is down too.

15:31 <Romulus> when do you mean "gone" ?

15:31 * yoyo[RKN] is working on it, server was overloaded

15:31 <PovAddict> the whole thing asplode, it seems

15:31 <MTughan> Ah, okay.

15:31 <PovAddict> Romulus made sense!

15:31 <Romulus> Bugger all, I dunno, PovAddict.

15:32 <BadBarbarian> has anybody seen MW

15:32 <PovAddict> &seen mweltin

15:32 <Romulus> PovAddict: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <mweltin> bye

15:32 <MTughan> I did see him last night.

15:33 <BadBarbarian> i was going to ask him to up the 20 wu limit lost my isp for a few hrs and ran out of work

15:34 <frost> the yoyo@home forums are up and running

15:34 <frost> can be reached at http://www.rechenkraft.net/phpBB/

15:34 <Romulus> Title: Rechenkraft.net e.V. :: Index (at www.rechenkraft.net)

15:34 <frost> (at the middle of the page)

15:35 <MTughan> Because that's not actually on the same subdirectory/virtual server as the rest of the yoyo code.

15:35 <PovAddict> only yoyo is down, rest of rechenkraft is up

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15:47 <zombie67> yoyo:  did I break your server?

15:47 <yoyo[RKN]> yes!

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15:52 <xcamel> re-hi

15:53 <BadBarbarian> 'lo Jay

15:53 <BadBarbarian> we have a ground blizzard here

15:54 <xcamel> a bit o'snow?

15:54 <BadBarbarian> yep

15:55 <BadBarbarian> and 50 mph wind

15:55 <xcamel> wind only hit 47 here - nothing damaged - worse out to the west, I guess..

15:56 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

15:56 <BadBarbarian> dangers of living over 7000 feet lol.

15:56 <xcamel> 'lo Mike

15:57 <MTughan> "Now go do that voodoo that you do!" Say that out. :P

15:57 <Romulus> I would argue that it was 9-5 like everything else.

15:59 <BadBarbarian> Blazing saddles

15:59 <MTughan> lol, yeah.

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16:15 <xcamel> anyone heard from Don?

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16:45 <xcamel> Internet disrupted in Egypt and India

16:46 <xcamel> http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSL3026621820080130?feedType=RSS&feedName=internetNews&rpc=22&sp=true

16:46 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1ThM> (at www.reuters.com)

16:48 <xcamel> Mike.. were doing the web poll again...

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16:48 <xcamel> Change the vote id to 306538

16:49 <xcamel> pumping up the morning talkshow host..

16:50 * MTughan groans

16:50 <MTughan> I thought that was a losing battle?

16:50 <xcamel> don't if you don't want to..

16:50 <xcamel> the first one was.. this is just for fun, and insulting Ron Paul

16:52 <TM-Work> lol

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16:58 <xcamel> wb Nic

16:59 <MTughan> lol... yoyo[RKN], everyone's connection?

16:59 <MTughan> connecting*

16:59 <MTughan> "Unable to connect to database - please try again later Error: 1040Too many connections"

17:00 <xcamel> where is his server located?

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17:00 <MTughan> www.rechenkraft.net

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17:02 <CoderForLife> you pinged, xcamel?

17:02 <PovAddict> he did

17:02 <MTughan> 45 minutes ago, but yeah.

17:02 <PovAddict> so you survived the weather

17:02 <PovAddict> good to know

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17:03 * CoderForLife mourns his lost windsock

17:03 <MTughan> lol

17:03 <xcamel> we were wondering..

17:03 <CoderForLife> my big pile of bricks was unmoved

17:03 <xcamel> luckily..

17:03 <CoderForLife> always

17:04 <CoderForLife> no lost tress as far as I can see, or heard

17:04 <CoderForLife> saw some on the way home from w@#%

17:05 <CoderForLife> cars were flipped in Louisville

17:05 <TM-Work> you have trees?

17:05 <CoderForLife> yes, still, a lot of them

17:05 <xcamel> I was trying to ping you but you were out...

17:06 <CoderForLife> yeah, just got back to my desk from w@#% and dinner as soon as I walked in

17:06 <CoderForLife> thanks for checking on me

17:06 <CoderForLife> we didn't even lose power. but a bunch of people in town did

17:07 <CoderForLife> that was the major comment I heard this morning in the 0fF1C3

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17:07 <CoderForLife> (a synonym for w@#%)

17:08 <xcamel> I checked the west side bridge webcam, and it looked like the power was out...

17:08 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: strange synonym

17:08 <zombie67> yoy is back up

17:08 <zombie67> yoyo

17:08 <CoderForLife> yeah, west side, to the I-75/I-71/I-275 area

17:09 <yoyo[RKN]> no no

17:09 <zombie67> it worked...

17:09 <CoderForLife> but not to worry,  you still have to put up with me

17:09 <zombie67> well, the upload worked anyway

17:10 <PovAddict> both yoyo assimilators seem down, validators disabled, feeder disabled (so no work-fetching)

17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> my small server was on load 30

17:11 <PovAddict> eek

17:11 <TM-Work> bit much for you?

17:12 <TM-Work> should I update all 30 of my comps in here at once?

17:12 <FreeLarry58> thats a lot

17:12 <yoyo[RKN]> not for me, but for the disc

17:13 <desti> http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~deselt/hcw2008camera.pdf

17:15 <CoderForLife> bbl

17:15 * FreeLarry58 has brain freeze - cant remember the command for ubantu to check for updates

17:15 <FreeLarry58> via putty

17:16 <xcamel> lol >> Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor

17:16 <zombie67> what caused the problem?  a scraper?  DS appack?

17:16 <zombie67> attack?

17:16 <xcamel> http://www.ku.dk/english/news/?content=http://www.ku.dk/english/news/blue-eyes.htm

17:16 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Ti1> (at www.ku.dk)

17:17 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: aptitude update <- that gets the updated list of packages

17:17 <FreeLarry58> thanks PovAddict

17:18 <PovAddict> aptitude upgrade <- installs packages available for upgrading (asking first)

17:19 <xcamel> or yum

17:19 <xcamel> or apt-get

17:19 <PovAddict> yum on ubuntu?

17:22 <xcamel> dunno about u-bunny

17:26 <FreeLarry58> apt-get not on machine

17:26 <FreeLarry58> apt not on machine

17:26 * FreeLarry58 gives up as cant understand what aptitude telling him

17:26 <xcamel> aptitude is going to have to do it then...

17:27 <xcamel> console mode?

17:27 <PovAddict> you probably need 'sudo'

17:27 <xcamel> that would help...

17:27 <xcamel> updates need to be rooted...

17:27 <xcamel> usually

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17:33 <FreeLarry58> nope did it by sudo PovAddict

17:34 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict: ?

17:34 <FreeLarry58> dang dual core kernal update then x server wouldn't restart had to reconfigure x again

17:34 <yoyo[RKN]> is the feeder also responsible for uploads?

17:34 <PovAddict> if kernel updates, you need to reboot

17:35 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: uploads work even if no daemon is running at all

17:35 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: as long as the webserver works and it can access file_upload_handler, uploads work

17:36 <yoyo[RKN]> and for downloads the feeder is needed, right

17:36 <PovAddict> for downloading work, you need the feeder, yes

17:37 <PovAddict> for downloading files (for example say your server went down after somebody did a scheduler request and got work, but before he finished downloading the *files*), only the plain webserver is needed

17:38 <yoyo[RKN]> ok, thx

17:38 <FreeLarry58> noticed PovAddict was in reboot when x-server wouldnt boot needed reconfigured

17:38 <FreeLarry58> now trying to get normal settings back

17:39 <PovAddict> PovAddict: if the kernel was updated, you should usually reboot the OS

17:39 <xcamel> nvidia video?

17:41 <FreeLarry58> yeah

17:41 <FreeLarry58> ran thru the reconfigure and it came up - just have to remember to reset resolution for each user as i use it

17:42 <xcamel> if you have the installer script, just run it with -f (provided you also have kernel-dev and kernel-headers)

17:42 * FreeLarry58 feels like in vat of molassus

17:43 <FreeLarry58> have only used yum on that machine

17:43 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: yum? I thought you said it was ubuntu?

17:43 <xcamel> be sure it's using the 'nvidia' driver in x, not the generic 'nv' driver

17:43 <FreeLarry58> new dual core PovAddict not your old

17:45 <FreeLarry58> have ubantu on frlar1 and werewolf (fc8) on the two new machines

17:45 <FreeLarry58> werewolf the one that wanted kernal update

17:47 <FreeLarry58> yeah xcamel had to bring up generic in order to select the monitor and card drivers after that it came up and indicating close to what i want

17:47 <FreeLarry58> anywho its back up and crunching

17:47 <xcamel> if it was previously installed, you shouldn't have had to do that..

17:48 <xcamel> always say no to "update x settings"

17:48 * FreeLarry58 thinks PovAddict is missing great opprotunity to experiment with 3 machines for setup

17:48 <FreeLarry58> it was but with the kernal update settings were marked as invalid for some reason

17:49 <FreeLarry58> one machine kernal updated and came right back up and the other gave the problems

17:49 <xcamel> that shouldn't happen

17:50 <FreeLarry58> true - second machine had been on internet so something may have happened - the kernal update was for security issues i believe

17:50 <FreeLarry58> so maybe to late to have a problem?

17:51 <xcamel> interesting.. what update?

17:52 <FreeLarry58> one that just showed today

17:52 * FreeLarry58 need to remeber where to find kernal version

17:52 <FreeLarry58> 2.6.23.14-107.fc8

17:52 <xcamel> console >> 'uname -a'

17:53 <xcamel> hmmm..

17:54 *** Kathryn_zzzz is now known as KathrynM

17:54 <KathrynM> Mornin'

17:54 <xcamel> only have 2 moxes on fc8, neither are nv based

17:55 <xcamel> er boxes, even

17:55 <FreeLarry58> 2.6.23.14-107.fc8 #1 SMP Mon Jan 14 22:07:11 EST 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux what came back

17:56 <xcamel> oh.. 64 bit

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17:57 <TM-Work> up, mweltin is here, so im headin home

17:57 <xcamel> that changes things..

17:57 <Romulus> cfl I can sit and Code my new workflow engine, and watch scifi...

17:57 <FreeLarry58> one that had problems newer nv card - gt8500 older machine only has a 6600 card

17:59 <FreeLarry58> mornign KathrynM

17:59 <FreeLarry58> time for daily chore run

17:59 <KathrynM> Have fun FreeLarry58

18:00 <mweltin> later tank

18:00 <xcamel> 'lo Kat

18:00 <xcamel> 'lo mw

18:00 <mweltin> hey xcamel and KathrynM

18:00 <KathrynM> mweltin, I saw TSP in ISGTW.  Nice job!

18:01 <mweltin> yeah, that release was moved to a month.

18:01 <KathrynM> I posted in the "BOINC in the News" thread in the BOINC forums.

18:01 <mweltin> I forgot.

18:01 <mweltin> sweet!

18:01 <mweltin> thanks

18:01 <KathrynM> np

18:04 <mweltin> they changed the lead graphic.

18:06 <KathrynM> which one?  the US map or the diagram?

18:06 <mweltin> diagram

18:09 <xcamel> dia-fragg 'um

18:30 <xcamel> conversation killer?

18:30 <mweltin> apparently so

18:33 <xcamel> &deepthouight 99

18:33 <Romulus> I don't have a clue.

18:33 <xcamel> &deepthought 99

18:33 <Romulus> xcamel: Children need encouragement. So if a kid gets an answer right, tell him it was a lucky guess. That way, he develops a good, lucky feeling.

18:33 <KathrynM> I'll have to use that at work today.

18:33 <KathrynM> :D

18:34 <xcamel> it was just for you...

18:34 <PovAddict> heh

18:34 <mweltin> LOL

18:34 <mweltin> oh that jack handy he is wonderful.

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18:36 <PovAddict> http://www.cadburygiftsdirect.co.uk/images_versions_larger/570.jpg <- how much do you think this weighs?

18:36 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1TjQ> (at www.cadburygiftsdirect.co.uk)

18:39 <mweltin> 12 oz

18:39 <PovAddict> 5 kilograms

18:39 <PovAddict> it's half a meter long

18:39 <Romulus> just that i did a scheduler request failed

18:39 <mweltin> wow

18:39 <mweltin> thats a lot of sweets.

18:40 <mweltin> my GF got one when we first got there and we still haven't finished it.

18:40 <mweltin> hers was from a different comany

18:40 <mweltin> and only 10lbs

18:40 <PovAddict> &math units weight

18:40 <Romulus> PovAddict: valid types: m!@#, length, time, scheduling, temperature, temp. diff., current, charge, potential, resistance, conductance, capacitance, magn. flux, inductance, flux density, molecular qty, size of a mol, lum. intens., luminous flux, illuminance, luminance, angle, solid angle, data, data transfer, quantity, interest rate, concentration, force, area, volume, velocity, rot. velocity, fluid flow, gas (1 more message)

18:41 <PovAddict> &math units mass

18:41 <Romulus> PovAddict: m!@# units: kg, kilogram, key, hectogram, dekagram, gram, g, decigram, centigram, milligram, mg, microgram, tonne, metric ton, megagram, kilotonne, carat, ct, amu, atomic m!@# unit, pound, lb, lbm, ounce, oz, lid, ton, kiloton, slug, stone, grain

18:41 <PovAddict> &math convert 10 lb kg

18:41 <Romulus> PovAddict: 4.5359237

18:41 <mweltin> how many lid's is that?

18:47 <Soul_keeper> &math 10/2.2

18:47 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 4.54545454545

18:47 <Soul_keeper> &math 10/2.22

18:47 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 4.5045045045

18:48 <xcamel> calculating metric dreadnaughts?

18:50 <xcamel> seems rom doesn'r like 'mass'

18:50 <Romulus> nope not even sure if you ask for some reason i believe ...

18:51 <PovAddict> it's "ass" that it doesn't like

18:51 <xcamel> that too..

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18:52 <FreeLarry58> b

18:53 <xcamel> no megaflibbits?

18:54 <FreeLarry58> mass isn't a unit by itself its a property

18:54 <FreeLarry58> discribed by other units

18:55 <xcamel> gotta crank up those web poll hits

18:56 <FreeLarry58> ohh who you polling for now?

18:56 <xcamel> Roney

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18:56 <xcamel> the local talk show host..

18:56 <FreeLarry58> well frlar1 standing by

18:57 <FreeLarry58> link for script?

18:57 <xcamel> same script... using ID=306538

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18:57 <FreeLarry58> lol putty doesn't save script

18:57 <xcamel> &url last pastebin

18:57 <Romulus> xcamel: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL; If --nolimit is given, returns all the URLs that are found. (1 more message)

18:57 <xcamel> &url pastebin

18:57 <Romulus> I don't know, xcamel.

18:57 <xcamel> nuts

18:58 <xcamel> &url pastebin.com

18:58 <Romulus> I don't have a clue!

18:58 <MTughan> &url last

18:58 <Romulus> MTughan: http://www.cadburygiftsdirect.co.uk/images_versions_larger/570.jpg

18:59 <PovAddict> &url last --with pastebin

18:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: http://pastebin.com/m1d3822d2

18:59 <xcamel> http://pastebin.com/m1d3822d2

18:59 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

18:59 * PovAddict wins

18:59 <xcamel> you can be a pest, eh?

18:59 <Soul_keeper> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10501

18:59 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Tjl> (at www.dailytech.com)

18:59 <Soul_keeper> comedy

18:59 <PovAddict> I can!

18:59 <xcamel> :-)

18:59 <xcamel> brb

19:00 <KathrynM> PovAddict?  A pest?  Never :p

19:01 <PovAddict> <.<

19:01 <FreeLarry58> k xcamel frlar1 casting now

19:06 <xcamel> cool...

19:21 <CoderForLife> did someone mention pest?

19:24 <xcamel> ok -- way cool...

19:24 <xcamel> http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/future-weapons/games/cannon/cannon.html

19:24 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1TkJ> (at dsc.discovery.com)

19:24 <xcamel> NLOS cannon challenge

19:24 <Tank_Master> your a pest

19:26 <KathrynM> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2451#15168

19:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1TkM> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

19:26 <KathrynM> Is it just me, or does that not make sense?

19:27 <KathrynM> What is he downloading?  Source or the .sh from Berkeley?

19:28 <PovAddict> maybe he's still a noob with mixed-up terms, and he meant s/compile/run/

19:28 <KathrynM> dunno

19:28 <KathrynM> GOnna ask.

19:28 <PovAddict> I beat you to it

19:28 <KathrynM> pffffffffffttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!

19:28 <PovAddict> but you posted before I could say I beat you to it

19:30 <KathrynM> Time to deal with the kiddies.  I'll have to remember Rommie's advice on telling them they're lucky.  Laters all

19:30 <PovAddict> heh

19:30 <PovAddict> bye

19:33 <Tank_Master> nqueens should be back up

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19:42 <FreeLarry58> 24800 after 5 runds on tank

19:42 <PovAddict> yoyo is still down I know

19:42 <PovAddict> but any idea about spinhenge?

19:43 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: strange message, looks like a previous scheduler request got through and my client had thought it didn't:

19:43 <PovAddict> 30/01/2008 22:41:56|yoyo@home|Message from server: Completed result evo_1201636855-2114-0_8.58MB_9.58_1 refused: result already reported as success

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19:50 <xcamel> wow - 73900

19:50 <FreeLarry58> after how many rounds?

19:51 <Tank_Master> 156153134

19:51 <FreeLarry58> ?me could only maintain interest for 5 rounds here

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20:00 <zombie67> I can now report yoyo, but still no new work.

20:01 <PovAddic1> zombie67: any idea what's up with spinhenge?

20:01 <zombie67> nope.  it's not one that I am currently crunching

20:03 <PovAddic1> btw I rendered the image at 640x480, took around 3 hours (without counting those 47 hours on precalculation): http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slhelichopper02ar8.png

20:03 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Tl2> (at img254.imageshack.us)

20:03 <PovAddic1> I can barely see the effect of photons... he definitely has a problem :) might try a bigger render on the farm

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20:11 <xcamel> oh.. that was the 8th round - ran out of ammo

20:12 <zombie67> I am not sure what photons are supposed to look like

20:13 <PovAddict> it's mostly used for glass effects and the like

20:13 <PovAddict> http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2005-08-31/photons2.jpg

20:13 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Tl-> (at www.irtc.org)

20:14 <bryanUC> general question: did anyone run the SQL query from the "modest credit normalization proposal" from yesterday?

20:14 <bryanUC> I don't know what the result of the query means

20:16 <xcamel> that's cool..

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20:22 <FreeLarry58> hey xcamel hows your poll going?

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20:24 * FreeLarry58 slaps PovAddic1's ISP with fresh flounder

20:35 <xcamel> roney is climbing..

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21:09 <xcamel> &weather 12074

21:09 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 19.5F / -6.9C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Mostly clear. Lows around 13. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of snow after midnight. Lows (1 more message)

21:09 <xcamel> &more

21:09 <Romulus> xcamel: around 18. Temperature rising into the lower 20s after midnight. Light and variable winds. Chance of snow 30 percent.;

21:35 <Soul_keeper> http://videos.streetfire.net/video/690e916a-d0cf-430f-b633-9a2300d637bd.htm

21:35 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1TmK> (at videos.streetfire.net)

21:41 <zombie67> progress!  I am now at least getting "no work from project" from yoyo

21:45 <FreeLarry58> &weather 98366

21:45 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 36F / 2C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h ; Tonight - Rain. Breezy. Lows in the 30s. South wind 15 to 25 mph.; Thursday and Thursday Night - Showers likely. Highs in the lower to mid 40s. Lows in the lower to mid 30s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.; Friday - Showers likely. Highs in the lower to mid (1 more message)

21:45 <FreeLarry58> &more

21:45 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;

21:46 <FreeLarry58> humm showers - wind and temps near freezing -- showers may change to slush and roads can be icy

21:46 <FreeLarry58> at night anyway

21:47 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

21:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 11F / -12C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of light snow showers after midnight. Low 5 to 10 above. Temperature steady or slowly rising after midnight. East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Cloudy with a 50 (1 more message)

21:47 <wdsmia> &more

21:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: percent chance of snow. High 15 to 20. East wind around 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow in the evening. Low 10 to 15. North wind near 10 mph.;

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21:47 <FreeLarry58> brrr glad i'm not there doug ;)

21:48 <wdsmia> wish I wasnt

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21:52 <zombie67> quite quiet!

21:56 <FreeLarry58> yeah

21:57 <FreeLarry58> well looks like the wife finally got a job - now after me to refinance the house

21:57 <zombie67> heh

21:57 <FreeLarry58> she doesn't want to hear my conditions

21:57 <zombie67> rates will be coming down over time

21:58 <FreeLarry58> as she wants to roll all her consumer debts into the refinance -- i wont allow that as i know what she will do right afterwards

21:58 <zombie67> right.  plenty of room to do it all over

21:58 <FreeLarry58> yup

21:59 <FreeLarry58> just like the last time 2 years ago - onloy thing is she doesn't give it anytime before she right back up in debt

21:59 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

21:59 *** xcamel is now known as xcamel_away

21:59 <FreeLarry58> consolodate 30000 then run up 60000 in a month

22:02 <FreeLarry58> she's still too desperate to send money to philippines for me to consider a consolidation

22:03 <PovAddict> tell the bank

22:03 <PovAddict> "if there is any transaction from my wife's account to philippines, re-route it to my account"

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22:19 <FreeLarry58> wish it worked that way PovAddict

22:20 <FreeLarry58> right now she trying to get car gas money from me as her unemployment check is to cover her cell phone bill

22:21 <PovAddict> I guess "the idea" of the unemployment check is living from it... not paying cellphone alone... o_O

22:21 <FreeLarry58> she doesn't want to give up any of the nicities while she unemployed so now more bills to contend with after her paychecks start

22:21 <FreeLarry58> "... but they are going to cancle it!..." "... I NEED it.."

22:22 <PovAddict> don't give her money, let them cancel it >:)

22:23 <FreeLarry58> didn't as had to pay required bills -- already spent 300 of next paycheck doing so and i wont get it for another week and a half

22:23 * FreeLarry58 has enough to cover one paycheck in advance

22:23 <PovAddict> but not two

22:24 <FreeLarry58> maybe even two ;)

22:24 <FreeLarry58> but lifes emergencies also occur to frequently to waste

22:24 <FreeLarry58> would prefer 6 months worth

22:25 <FreeLarry58> but best i've been able to do is one month

22:28 <FreeLarry58> and as the last of the W2 statements arrived - proved to her she made more than i did last year even tho she didn't work for 4 months

22:28 <FreeLarry58> so her pleadings of poverty falling on deaf ears

22:30 <FreeLarry58> all she upst about is the amount of taxes taken out of last jobs check -- The government is stealing from me -- expects me to pay all the income taxes

22:30 <FreeLarry58> she had less than i did taken out

22:31 <PovAddict> the more she pays, the less she will want to use her cellphone; unless there's "addiction" involved

22:32 <FreeLarry58> everything is an addiction to her it seems

22:33 <FreeLarry58> her phone bill really isn't that large and if she talks to them i bet they will be willing to wait another month or two

22:33 <FreeLarry58> <300

22:34 <FreeLarry58> for 4 months

22:34 <PovAddict> I don't have a cellphone

22:34 <PovAddict> I feel free

22:34 <PovAddict> they're money-wasting machines

22:34 <PovAddict> ringtone companies keep popping up, I read the fineprint and they all seem to charge a little bit more than the previous one...

22:34 <FreeLarry58> humm wonder what the heck a gam_server is using 19% of cpu for on that machine from root

22:36 <PovAddict> (in local currency) a ringtone could cost $3, yet a (legitimate) music CD costs $20-$25 and we could say the average CD has 20 songs...

22:36 <PovAddict> do the math: 20 ringtones cost $60, and they don't exactly sound like the original song...

22:37 <PovAddict> three times the price, one tenth of the quality, and it's only what, 10 seconds of the song?

22:37 <PovAddict> yet people keep buying them

22:37 <Soul_keeper> so basically like 60 bucks for 5min of music ...

22:37 <Soul_keeper> if that

22:37 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: I'm talking about "polyphonic ringtones", those that sound like midi (and are probably midi)

22:37 <PovAddict> not about 10 seconds of an mp3

22:38 <Soul_keeper> ahh

22:38 <PovAddict> noo... those mp3 ones cost even more :)

22:38 <PovAddict> then they also sell sound effects and stuff...

22:39 <PovAddict> I don't understand why somebody would want to pay four bucks to have his phone sound like a fart

22:39 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

22:39 <Soul_keeper> lol

22:39 <PovAddict> and then the wallpapers and crap

22:40 <PovAddict> which are getting into the area of pr0n

22:41 <PovAddict> well, not pr0n... but wallpapers of models' butts

22:41 <FreeLarry58> humm killed one gam_server only to have another take its place - killed it too

22:41 <PovAddict> one would think it would be so simple to just download stuff from the computer into the phone

22:41 <Soul_keeper> well my theory is that americans are hopelessly depressed, especially the naive young ones. and spending money (on anything) makes them happy for a few min. so the easier you make it for them to spend money them more you'll get and the higher the premiums ...

22:42 <FreeLarry58> &google gam_server

22:42 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Search took 0.12 seconds: gam_server ? - LinuxQuestions.org: <http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/gamserver-234318/>; Problem with gam_server and high cpu load SOLVED - Ubuntu Forums: <http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210329&highlight=gam_server>; gam_server: <http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-November/msg00366.html>; Problem with (3 more messages)

22:42 <PovAddict> but the "connection kit" (a normal mini-usb cable, and a CD with drivers!) costs an "appropriate price" to make people think buying ringtones via sms is cheaper

22:42 <PovAddict> say, a hundred bucks

22:43 <PovAddict> (plus most "users" I'm talking about would probably be too stupid to know how to slice a piece of a song and download it to the phone as ringtone)

22:43 <Soul_keeper> just like MS where they were selling the xbox and losing 50 bucks a unit, but they make their money back and then some on the games

22:43 <PovAddict> oh yeah

22:43 <PovAddict> cellphones are probably being sold at way less their cost here

22:43 <PovAddict> depending on what phone *service* you get

22:44 <Soul_keeper> i saw a commercial earlier.  target is now selling a cellphone targeted at high school kids that only costs  20 bucks every 3 months

22:44 <Soul_keeper> calling it the "cheapest phone on earth" or something

22:45 <PovAddict> we also have crazy lots of stealing... they said on TV that it could be *10 minutes* between a phone being stolen, and somebody buying it back with a new service and with the device ID changed so it can't be tracked

22:45 <PovAddict> additionally, phone companies don't give a crap, for example if you want them to help you recover it

22:46 <PovAddict> because it doesn't matter if it gets stolen, they get income anyway

22:46 <Soul_keeper> yup

22:47 <PovAddict> when my mom bought her phone, she had to fill some paperwork for the service... yet you could as well buy a SIM card in the train station for five bucks

22:47 <PovAddict> along with a stolen phone maybe :P

22:47 <PovAddict> those sim cards work out of the box

22:49 <Soul_keeper> i just wanna be rich ...

22:49 <PovAddict> come to argentina and sell pirated CDs

22:49 <PovAddict> oh wait, you'd have lots of competence...

22:49 <Soul_keeper> ohhh nooo

22:49 <Soul_keeper> i have 8min to buy a lotto ticket before the time is up ...

22:49 * Soul_keeper runs

22:50 <FreeLarry58> lol yah i hear those customers use machetes when returning bad goods

22:51 <FreeLarry58> i see that i may have goofed killing those two instances of gam_server - sounds like housekeeping but for what its to do running to long

22:52 <FreeLarry58> and having network activity during thier process didn't set well with me

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23:29 <FreeLarry58> progress indeed on yoyo masterfile dl'ed, unit reported in just no work

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23:35 <zombie67> pov?

23:37 <MTughan> I can't seem to get him either...

23:37 <zombie67> hi MT

23:37 <zombie67> are you familiar with the server-side stuff?

23:37 <MTughan> Not at all.

23:37 <zombie67> k

23:37 <MTughan> yoyo's here...

23:38 <zombie67> yoyo?  you there?

23:38 <zombie67> veeeeeery early AM where yoyo is

23:38 <MTughan> True. 5:40AM.

23:38 <zombie67> lemme ask anyway

23:39 <zombie67> are you fimilar with how app_info.xml works?

23:39 <MTughan> Kind of.

23:39 <zombie67> me too

23:40 <zombie67> here is the problem

23:40 <Soul_keeper> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3102056861669472574

23:40 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1ToV> (at video.google.com)

23:40 <zombie67> chess does not support xp64

23:40 <zombie67> the server is ooooooooold

23:40 <zombie67> assuming the app works with xp64

23:41 <zombie67> will the server understand anonymous platform?

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23:41 <MTughan> I can say yes with a real life example. AI.

23:41 <zombie67> AI is new server

23:41 <MTughan> But I don't think it cares what platform you have.

23:41 <zombie67> chess is ooooooooooold

23:42 <zombie67> i am trying to see if it "knows" anon platform

23:42 <MTughan> I'm taking the example that the AI server doesn't know what platform i686-apple-darwin is.

23:42 <zombie67> let me ask this

23:42 <zombie67> what is the path to the apps on the server?

23:43 <MTughan> I could pull it with Wireshark, but I don't know off the top of my head.

23:43 <zombie67> hmmm

23:43 <zombie67> don't the boinc servers always keep their apps in the same place?

23:43 <MTughan> I would assume so.

23:45 <zombie67> i need an admin....

23:50 <zombie67> where did you get the source for AI?

23:50 <Romulus> shakes fist at PS2 port

23:50 <zombie67> crap.  sourceforge

23:50 <zombie67> nm

23:51 <MTughan> Yeah.

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