IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-02-06

00:10 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:10 <Romulus>

00:10 <MTughan> &cad

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00:22 <PovAddict> &factoids change macintosh 1 s/39/40/

00:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:22 <PovAddict> &factoids change OSX 1 s/39/40/

00:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

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01:21 <MTughan> Off to bed...

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01:45 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

01:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 62.2F / 16.8C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.55in / 1000.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Heavy Rain | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 1.5mph / 2.4km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Widespread showers and scattered thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may be severe with damaging winds. Lows in the mid 50s. Southwest winds around 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; (3 more messages)

01:48 <CoderForLife> &more

01:48 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. Widespread showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe. Locally heavy rainfall possible in the morning. Breezy with highs in the upper 50s. Temperatures falling into the mid 40s in the afternoon. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Wednesday Night - (2 more messages)

01:48 <CoderForLife> &more

01:48 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain and snow showers in the evening. Breezy and much colder with lows in the upper 20s. West winds 20 to 25 mph...decreasing to 10 to 20 mph after midnight. Gusts up to 40 mph in the evening. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Tornado Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 2:00 AM EST on February 06, 2008; Severe Thunderstorm Warning for Hamilton County in effect (1 more message)

01:48 <CoderForLife> &more

01:48 <Romulus> CoderForLife: until 1:45 AM EST on February 06, 2008; Flood Warning for Hamilton County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on February 09, 2008; Areal Flood Advisory, Areal Flood Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 9:00 AM EST on February 06, 2008;

01:49 <zombie67> "Isn't it interesting that the same people who laugh at science fiction listen to weather forecasts and economists?" -- Kelvin Throop, III

01:49 * CoderForLife peeks out from under his desk

01:50 <CoderForLife> you mean they're wrong about this thunderstorm?

01:50 <zombie67> heh

01:50 <zombie67> no clue

01:58 * CoderForLife goes to inspect the house

02:03 <efc> Zzzz

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02:03 <zombie67> Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' that I wasn't previously aware of. -- Douglas Adams

02:03 <Malygris> Hello.

02:03 <Tank_Master> hi

02:03 <zombie67> yo

02:03 <Malygris> Is this the place for a little bit of Seti/Boinc help?

02:03 <Wabbit98> might be

02:04 <Malygris> I just installed the latest version, after having screwed up my previous install, but it's not downloading the Seti components properly.

02:04 <Tank_Master> SETI isnt working atm

02:05 <Malygris> Basically, it begins to download the necessary files, but it actually waits about five minutes before the transfer begins.

02:05 <zombie67> says one man

02:05 <Tank_Master> othes cant download work either

02:05 <zombie67> I download work just fine

02:05 <Tank_Master> well arent you special

02:05 <Wabbit98> hehehe

02:05 <Malygris> Okay, I checked the Seti site and it seemed to indicate everything was fine. And I can download the work files and such, I just have to wait about five minutes for each individual transfer to start moving.

02:05 <Romulus> yeah that would be 'winduhs'

02:06 <efc> This sucker looks like my ideal cruncher...

02:06 <Romulus> <> (at

02:06 <zombie67> how OLD is that?!

02:07 <efc> A year or two

02:07 <zombie67> no way

02:07 <Malygris> So this is a problem at their end, not mine? I just upgraded from dialup and I thought that might have an effect.

02:07 <zombie67> look at the memory sticks

02:07 <zombie67> chips on only one side?

02:07 <efc> Those are FPGAs, each with 4 banks of DDR2-400

02:08 <Tank_Master> they still make single sided ram

02:08 <efc> thats a 22 Layer PCB, about $5000 for the board alone

02:08 <zombie67> Malygris:  not likely your issue

02:08 <efc> $1k each for the FPGA.. Virtex-2 Pros

02:09 <zombie67> 22 layers are ~$200

02:09 <Malygris> Okay. I guess I'll keep an eye on it over the next few days and see what happens/.

02:09 <efc> Thats just what they said... 12x22", 22 layer, not your garden variety PCB

02:09 <zombie67> neither is ATCA

02:09 <efc> sorry, 14x17"

02:10 <zombie67> Malygris:  yeah, wait another 12 hours or so.  and watch the boards.

02:10 <zombie67> either it gets fixed, or people start complaining.

02:10 <zombie67> what are the procs on that board?

02:10 <Tank_Master> or try a real project

02:11 <efc> Virtex-2 Pro FPGAs

02:11 <efc> several hundred multipliers on them, and I forget how many gates, 1mil+ probably

02:11 <Malygris> Thanks. I'll stick with this project and keep an eye on the forums.

02:12 <zombie67> "Finally, the FPGAs on the BEE2 are highly connected with both high-speed, serial and parallel links."

02:12 <zombie67> SNORT

02:12 <zombie67> High speed SERIAL?

02:12 <efc> 40 gbit/sec they say somewhere

02:13 <efc> its a research project, but I like their way of thinking

02:13 <Tank_Master> ahh, yeah

02:13 <zombie67> something is not adding up

02:13 <Tank_Master> network connections

02:13 <Tank_Master> they still call them serial

02:13 <Tank_Master> its no the serial your used to back in the 486 days

02:13 <efc> Also, the FPGA sees communication as serial on each pin

02:14 <efc> 72 of them put together -> a DDR interface

02:14 <zombie67>

02:14 <Romulus> Title: Supermicro, Inc. - Products | SuperBlade (at

02:15 <efc> The idea is you have hundreds of those boards working together

02:15 <efc> and that you give Xilinx extremely large amounts of money

02:17 <efc> ok, here's some more on the FPGA they use.. 70k "cells" (I don't know exactly what that means), 326 multipliers, 2 powerPC cores, 5.8 mbit onboard SRAM

02:17 <Romulus> just poked 2 logs

02:17 <zombie67> or this:

02:17 <Romulus> <> (at

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02:20 <efc> I'll take those two if I pass them on the curb :)

02:20 <efc> oh, the board is somewhat older, 2004 maybe

02:21 <efc> I want to build something like that, but somewhat simpler and a whole lot cheaper

02:24 <zombie67>

02:24 <Romulus> <> (at

02:25 <zombie67> fit the bill?

02:26 <efc> They're nice, but the FPGAs would flow them out of the water if configured and programmed properly

02:26 <efc> err blow

02:26 <zombie67> for what purpose?

02:26 <zombie67> boinc?

02:26 <Romulus> Somebody said boinc is all perfect and stuff, zombie67

02:27 <efc> something highly parallel, like S@H (probably for most boinc stuff but thats hard to say without looking at the projects in detail)

02:27 <zombie67> er, boinc doesn't do parallel.

02:28 <efc> BOINC is parallel, thats the whole point

02:28 <CoderForLife> fireworks over - back to bed

02:28 <Romulus> remember Dogbytes in your LIB path.

02:28 <zombie67> no, it's a bunch of single thread apps running

02:28 <CoderForLife> nice thought, ROmmie

02:29 <Tank_Master> gn GFL

02:29 <Tank_Master> I 2 am off to bed

02:29 <CoderForLife> thx

02:29 <zombie67> gn tm and cfl

02:29 <Tank_Master> and just a note - the BOINC dev people are working on ways to allowing one WU to use more than one thread...

02:30 <efc> the real strength is parallelism inside the WU. For example, an FFT can benefit greatly from it.

02:30 <zombie67> one project is already doing that by accident

02:32 <zombie67> the only project(s) I see doing something like that is with the PS3

02:33 <zombie67> the Cell is very impressive

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04:42 <efc> &weather 31088

04:42 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 64F / 18C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Today - Showers and thunderstorms likely in the morning...then occasional showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Windy. Highs in the lower 70s. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 20 (1 more message)

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04:55 <CoderForLife> plink

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05:58 <deprecated> &weather 12158

05:58 <Romulus> deprecated: Temperature: 37.6F / 3.1C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.49in / 998.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain this morning...then rain and freezing rain or sleet this afternoon. Ice accumulation of up to one tenth of an inch. Highs in the lower 40s. Temperature falling into the lower 30s this afternoon. North winds around 5 mph. Chance (2 more messages)

05:59 <deprecated> more

05:59 <deprecated> &more

05:59 <Romulus> deprecated: of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tonight - Freezing rain or sleet or snow in the evening...then snow after midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Ice accumulation of up to one tenth of an inch. Lows in the upper 20s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Snow showers likely in the morning. Total snow accumulation of 3 to 6 inches (1 more message)

05:59 <deprecated> &more

05:59 <Romulus> deprecated: possible. Highs in the mid 30s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Winter Weather Advisory for Albany County in effect until 10:00 AM EST on February 07, 2008; Areal Flood Watch for Albany County in effect until 5:00 AM EST on February 07, 2008;

06:00 <deprecated> &weather 98038

06:00 <Romulus> deprecated: Temperature: 36.7F / 2.6C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Showers and breezy. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph.; Wednesday - Showers in the morning...then rain likely in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday Night - Rain (1 more message)

06:00 <deprecated> &more

06:00 <Romulus> deprecated: and windy. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest wind 20 to 30 mph. Wind gusts up to 50 mph late.;

06:00 <Romulus> amd back to w@#%ing for the buck

06:04 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

06:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 22F / -6C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h ; Today - Blowing snow in the morning. Snow in the morning...then a slight chance of snow in the afternoon. Snow may be heavy at times in the morning. New snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Total snow accumulation 6 to 10 inches. High in the upper (1 more message)

06:04 <wdsmia> &more

06:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: 20s. North wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy until early morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Colder. Low 10 to 15. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow. High in the mid 20s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Winter Storm Warning for Polk County in effect until 12:00 PM CST on February 06, 2008;

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06:16 <CoderForLife> away-hey with me to w@#%

06:17 <CoderForLife> much laterz

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06:28 <hawmps> 'lo

06:38 <KathrynM> evenin' all

06:38 <KathrynM> any mac-heads here?

06:47 <hawmps> a little bit..

06:48 <KathrynM> Got a help desk email.  I've got no clue.  Last time I used a mac was like OS 8 (and hated 'em too)

06:48 <KathrynM> I am using MAC and upgraded to 10.5 and lost my BOINC settings.

06:48 <Romulus> yes, they are govong be stupid network setup problems

06:48 <KathrynM> that's the whole thing

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08:16 <hawmps> hmmmm...

08:16 <hawmps> it should reload when you re-attach to your favorite projects

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08:50 <wdsmia_w> what a mess out there

08:51 <wdsmia_w> 10 inches on the ground and still snowing

08:53 <hawmps> flooding around here - sever icing to the north

08:58 <wdsmia_w> &weather 50319

08:58 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 22F / -6C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Today - Blowing snow in the morning. Snow in the morning...then a slight chance of snow in the afternoon. Snow may be heavy at times in the morning. New snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Total snow accumulation 6 to 10 inches. High in the upper 20s. (1 more message)

08:58 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:58 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: North wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy until early morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Colder. Low 10 to 15. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow. High in the mid 20s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Winter Storm Warning for Polk County in effect until 12:00 PM CST on February 06, 2008;

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09:24 <hawmps> temps are really dropping now...

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09:27 <BadBarbarian> Mornin

09:28 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

09:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: -6F / -21.1C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: in / hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 35 on the North Rim to around 50 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 11 on the North Rim to around 14 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Thursday - Partly cloudy. Highs (1 more message)

09:28 <BadBarbarian> &more

09:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: around 45 on the North Rim to around 48 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

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09:56 <hawmps> &OSX

09:56 <Romulus> hawmps: "OSX" could be

09:56 <hawmps> must be he changed that one too..

09:57 <hawmps> busy little beaver..

09:57 <hawmps> Romulus: learn boinc_dl as

09:57 <Romulus> hawmps: The operation succeeded.

09:58 <hawmps> &whatis boinc_dl

09:58 <Romulus> hawmps: "boinc_dl" could be

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11:02 <wdsmia_w> &eightball will it ever stop snowing?

11:02 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!

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12:21 <MTughan> Yeah, Pov updated the OSX and Mac factoids yesterday.

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13:24 <zombie67>

13:24 <Romulus> Title: User Friendly the Comic Strip - The Daily Static (at

13:32 <FreeLarry58> so - how to use PieSpyRom?

13:33 <PovAddic1> &whatis piespy

13:33 <Romulus> PovAddic1: "piespy" could be

13:33 <PovAddic1> you just watch that image

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13:34 <FreeLarry58> thanks PovAddic1

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13:54 <BadBarbarian> &eightball will it ever warm up here

13:54 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: The answer is a resounding no.

13:54 <BadBarbarian> that sucks

13:55 <wdsmia_w> lol

13:57 <hawmps> we're kind of in the middle at the moment..

14:00 <hawmps> winter storm warnings for later..

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14:15 <PovAddic1> my computer just suddenly and quietly reset itself

14:16 <Soul_keeper> fun stuff

14:16 <Soul_keeper> you should punish it !

14:16 <PovAddic1> I was reading a website and the screen went black

14:16 <PovAddic1> then I saw the POST

14:17 <Soul_keeper> could be a number of things

14:17 <PovAddic1> overheating?

14:19 <Soul_keeper> possible

14:19 <Soul_keeper> could be an undervolted cpu, underpowered psu, faulty components, etc.

14:20 <PovAddic1> first time this ever happens really...

14:20 <Soul_keeper> if you cpu temp isn't already too high, try bumping you cpu/mem voltage by the smallest increment

14:20 <Soul_keeper> see if that stabilizes it

14:20 <PovAddic1> I don't see it "unstable"... it just reset itself for the first time since I got the computer

14:20 <Soul_keeper> could have even been a fluctuation on the wall's power line

14:21 <PovAddic1> yeah

14:21 <PovAddic1> I need an UPS

14:21 <Soul_keeper> brownout or whatever they are where they dip

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14:21 <Soul_keeper> almost all psu's undervolt the rails btw

14:21 <Soul_keeper> so it really don't take much to cause instability

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14:29 <Soul_keeper> i've lost my sanity

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14:34 <MTughan> lol, SK's gone insane.

14:35 <Saenger> what's lost anyway? "lost" means there has been something before ;)

14:36 <Soul_keeper> let's just put it this way ...  the condition continues to worsen :)

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14:44 <PovAddict> KathrynM: ping

14:45 <PovAddict> well anyway

14:45 <PovAddict> DA just fixed a bug on file upload handler, maybe that's what was breaking uploads on boinc alpha

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15:15 <hawmps> that's a good thing..

15:15 <MTughan> Hmm... Is this intentional or is it actually the comic?

15:15 <Romulus> Title: Comics - (at

15:16 <PovAddict> heh who knows...

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15:16 <PovAddict> sethy: >poke<

15:16 <PovAddict> MTughan: are you reading them all??

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15:17 <MTughan> Sadly, yes.

15:17 <PovAddict> lol

15:17 <MTughan> And growl seems slow....

15:17 <MTughan> Because it's not running... >_>

15:17 <MTughan> There.

15:18 <sethy> PovAddict: >poke<

15:19 <sethy> Yes?

15:20 <PovAddict> MTughan: Hmm... Is this intentional or is it actually the comic?

15:20 <Romulus> Title: Comics - (at

15:20 <PovAddict> shush bot

15:20 <Romulus> For the end of the time is up ...

15:20 <MTughan> too.

15:20 <Romulus> Title: Comics - (at

15:20 <sethy> Oh, i was making the good olde ROT13 style keyboard and i forgot to save :(

15:20 <sethy> !explosm

15:20 <MTughan> &explosm

15:20 <Romulus>

15:21 <sethy> was not after that but sure

15:24 <wdsmia_w> &yawn

15:24 <Romulus> I don't know, wdsmia_w.

15:25 <sethy> i have this bottle of cider infront of me, i sooo want to open it but i want to save it for later when i call hannah

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15:27 <sethy> the wierd thing is, she thinks its cute when i'm drunk...

15:27 <sethy> to say the family goes violent when drinking cider

15:28 <sethy> its a gene passed down in the generations

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15:32 <sethy> wb PovAddic1

15:32 <Soul_keeper> lol yeah, i think all my unemployed jail-bird uncles got that gene ...

15:34 <sethy> its somewhat cool, if i dont overdrink on it, say like 1 bottle, i am all strongly emotional

15:34 <sethy> its liek a 'hidden' me

15:35 <Soul_keeper> strongly emotional == girly man   ?

15:35 <sethy> something like that

15:35 <Soul_keeper> lol

15:35 <sethy> i tend to explain my feelings more

15:35 <sethy> and with more affection

15:35 <Soul_keeper> that's scary stuff

15:35 <sethy> it is

15:35 <sethy> its why i rarely drink so people dont find me

15:37 <sethy> hmm, wierd

15:38 <sethy> php doesnt want to work when i go to

15:38 <sethy> only folder with php anyway

15:38 <sethy> but if i click on index.php it works

15:38 <sethy> basicly its not doing the index==home

15:38 <MTughan> Check Apache's config for default documents then.

15:39 <PovAddic1> add index.php to DirectoryIndex

15:39 <PovAddic1> by default it has .html and .htm only

15:39 <PovAddic1> damnit

15:39 <MTughan> That's it...

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15:40 <sethy> just add another line that read DirectoryIndex index.php

15:41 <sethy> below the one that says html

15:41 <PovAddict> no

15:41 <MTughan> No, add it after/before where it says "index.html".

15:41 <PovAddict> if it says:

15:41 <PovAddict> DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm

15:41 <PovAddict> make it

15:41 <PovAddict> DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.php

15:41 <PovAddict> or something

15:41 <sethy> still in the <ifmodule>

15:41 <MTughan> It'll serve them in left to right order depending on what Apache finds in the dir.

15:41 <PovAddict> wow lag

15:41 <sethy> only got html on here

15:41 <sethy> i'll add htm

15:42 <MTughan> PovAddict: That's if you want index.html before index.php if both are present.

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15:43 <sethy> in priority order basicly

15:43 <MTughan> Yep.

15:43 <sethy> Awesoem

15:43 <sethy> See i can be a reasonable good boy :)

15:43 <MTughan> Oh, you'll have to restart Apache for the change to take effect too.

15:44 <sethy> yea i know some concepts on apache

15:44 <sethy> i'm thinking of doing php appart from i have no motive at all

15:45 <sethy> and i just threw a bottle-opener/cork screw combined in the air and almost amputated my thumb

15:45 <MTughan> Smart...

15:45 <sethy> yea

15:46 <sethy> so not me

15:47 <sethy> only got 3 birthday cards :(

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15:51 <sethy> i've lost cuteftp

15:51 <xcamel> happy birthday..

15:51 <sethy> thank you :)

15:54 <sethy> uh oh, i think i got the ISP Problem again

15:54 <sethy> its not loading microsoft again

15:55 <PovAddict> good

15:55 <sethy> or PovAddict's server

15:55 <MTughan> I can't connect to websites, but IRC's up...

15:55 <sethy> i can get to some sites

15:55 <sethy> like

15:56 <MTughan> I can't get to Google or Explosm.

15:56 <MTughan> Or

15:56 <sethy> it just says 'Waiting for' the loading bar half way and not doing anything

15:56 <sethy> it doesnt even time out

15:56 <xcamel> there is allot wrong with the net today

15:57 <sethy> only on pov's server it times out for some bizare reason

15:57 <xcamel>

15:57 <Romulus> Title: Network Overview /// Internet Traffic Report (at

15:57 <sethy> IPV4 < IPV6

15:58 <PovAddict> eek that's a lot of packet loss

15:58 <sethy> index is?

15:58 <MTughan> I can't connect to the site...

15:58 <sethy> i can

15:58 <sethy> PovAddict: can you try see if my vnc works, use the dns name please

15:59 <sethy> gotdns

15:59 <PovAddict> no

15:59 <sethy> no as, no you not testing or no as it doesnt work

16:00 <Romulus> I'm off into space, really)

16:00 <PovAddict> cba test

16:00 <PovAddict> and it's surely not working anyway

16:00 <sethy> europe just went up to 70

16:02 <xcamel> been getting a bunch of '502 upstream proxy errors'

16:03 <sethy> ooo cuteftp finaly loaded

16:08 <MTughan> Gah, WTF is up with the Internet today?

16:08 <Soul_keeper> 5th internet cable cut in the mideast

16:09 <PovAddict> I heard two cables cut over there

16:09 <sethy> i had this problem before that happened also

16:09 <Soul_keeper> yeah a new one has been getting cut each day or so since

16:09 <PovAddict> WTF

16:09 <Soul_keeper> the conspiracy theorists are coming out of the woodworks, and are probably right ...

16:10 <PovAddict> we're in deep sh1t

16:10 <MTughan> WTF, it's suddenly up...

16:10 <xcamel> One undersea cable to India died about a week ago..

16:10 <xcamel> but I thought they fixed it.

16:11 <Soul_keeper> 100's of millions of users affected

16:11 <Soul_keeper> just like how the islams attacked the ancient indians  because they had kamasutra and naked people on their temples ...

16:12 <Soul_keeper> maybe they want to stop the porn

16:12 <MTughan> Parents... Kicking me of... F***ers...

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16:17 <Soul_keeper>

16:17 <Romulus> <> (at

16:17 * Soul_keeper drules on himself

16:25 <xcamel> [LHC news] >> Time Travellers From The Future 'Could Be here In Weeks'

16:26 <xcamel>

16:26 <Romulus> <> (at

16:26 <PovAddict> wtf

16:26 <xcamel> now that one is downright funny

16:28 <PovAddict> bunch of BS it seems

16:29 <PovAddict> time travel is only feasible read-only imho

16:32 <zombie67> hello

16:32 <zombie67> LHC seems to be send out a few hundred WUs

16:33 <PovAddict> 06/02/2008 19:33:05|lhcathome|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

16:33 <zombie67> yeah.

16:33 <zombie67> the "Results in progress" jumped up by a couple hundred, and I got a few

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16:42 <xcamel> haven't got any in a while..

16:44 <PovAddict> Saenger: ping

16:45 <PovAddict> Saenger:

16:45 <Romulus> <> (at

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16:50 <Saenger> PovAddict: pong

16:51 <PovAddict> that may be interesting for you if you have a big power-eating farm

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16:56 <Saenger> I have a single puter ;)

16:56 <Saenger> and I work at a

16:56 <Saenger> power plant

16:57 <Saenger> :D

16:58 <PovAddict> lol

16:59 <PovAddict> big "nevermind" then

17:00 <Saenger> quite right

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17:07 <xcamel> working at a power plant is cool...

17:07 <xcamel> always thought I'd love that job

17:08 <sethy> i'll go for you

17:08 <PovAddict> can I say "lies"?

17:08 <Saenger> problem is: it's in maintenance, and that has to take place when electricity is cheap

17:08 <Romulus> (if seti's servers are disabled.

17:08 <Saenger> and that's usually at weekends

17:09 <Saenger> or for example last night

17:09 <PovAddict> can't do maintenance at peak-usage hours...

17:09 <xcamel> my wifes g-grandfather worked at a hydro plant - used to make money on the side making bar magnets for the kids...

17:09 <xcamel> a good friend works for PSEG also..

17:11 <xcamel> 5 cents and any old chunk of iron..

17:12 <sethy> i use to have 2 emulators of nuclear power plant with the uranium cores and particle acceleration

17:13 <xcamel> 3 small turbines on the upper hudson

17:18 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

17:19 * wdsmia_w has left the building bbl

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17:23 <xcamel> double parked in a parallel universe, eh?

17:39 <xcamel> still waiting for Don to pop in... missed him this morning..

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17:55 <xcamel> cflags j2 for multi-core, right?

17:55 <xcamel> or j3

17:55 <xcamel> ??

17:56 <PovAddict> -j2 will make it compile two files at the same time

17:56 <xcamel> multithreaded... ??

17:57 <PovAddict> it won't affect the compiled program

17:57 <PovAddict> just how fast the compilation itself is

17:57 <PovAddict> oh and it's not on cflags, just directly an argument to make

17:58 <xcamel> o2 for basic optimizations?

17:58 <PovAddict> be careful to never use -j without a number, as that means "infinite"... if the program consists of 100 source files, make will start 100 instances of gcc, and that quickly eats your RAM and your swap too

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18:00 <PovAddict> hmm... I think it's like this: -O1 for basic optimizations (which make it faster *and* smaller), -O2 for most optimizations (some speed/size tradeoffs here), -O3 for things that usually make it faster but *might* make it actually slower in some cases

18:02 <MTughan> -Os can also optimize for size, but not at the expense of speed.

18:02 <MTughan> -Oz optimizes for size at all costs, but it also only Apple GCC only.

18:09 <infinisoft> I couldn't find the root cause for my svchost CPU spikes but I was able to kill the specific thread in svchost causing the spikes and haven't seen any side effects yet.

18:12 <xcamel> thanks.. worked fine..

18:13 <xcamel> new version of lm_sensors

18:14 <wdsmia> re-hi

18:15 <MTughan> Stupid thing... Loading problems with sites I was having earlier wasn't because of my Internet, it was because of the browser...

18:15 <xcamel> 3.0.1 is out, btw..

18:20 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Nice system, the Skulltrail.

18:28 <xcamel> are there dns servers going down all over.. now google is knocked out..

18:28 <MTughan> I can get to Google Canada.

18:28 <xcamel> it came back up..

18:28 <MTughan> And

18:28 <xcamel> weird..

18:29 <xcamel> can you hit this one >> ??

18:29 <PovAddict> if DNS servers are going down, do some lookups and save the IPs on your /etc/hosts file, before it gets worse

18:29 <MTughan> Yes, I can get there.

18:29 <MTughan> Tried running that once, I don't think I succeeded.

18:29 <xcamel> it won't hit from here..

18:30 <MTughan> You want to download it?

18:30 <xcamel> I get the 'ports' page..

18:30 <xcamel> not helpful..

18:30 <MTughan> You're wanting the source?

18:31 <PovAddict> xcamel: try this

18:31 <Romulus> <> (at

18:32 <xcamel> no... I need to send him a couple of bug reports..

18:32 <xcamel> oh well..

18:33 <PovAddict> did my link work?

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18:47 <sethy> php question

18:47 <MTughan> php <file>

18:47 <PovAddict> ##php

18:48 <sethy> just made an uploader script, and it gives blank screen when i click upload

18:49 <mweltin> sethy, that could be a few things,  do you output anything to the screen after the upload?

18:49 <xcamel> thanks - that got me to the site..

18:49 <sethy> nothing at all

18:49 <MTughan> Dinner time...

18:49 <MTughan> sethy: Check Apache's logs too.

18:50 <mweltin> sethy, do YOU print anything, if not why would you expect something on the screen?

18:50 <sethy> it should print

18:51 <sethy> has or die inside if

18:51 <mweltin> maybe its not dying

18:51 <sethy> copy ( $_file )

18:52 <Romulus> If you require tracking on your dvorak?

18:52 <sethy> or die ( "Could not copy file" );

18:52 <PovAddict> then if the copy works, you aren't showing anything

18:52 <sethy> using qwertymon right now

18:52 <PovAddict> so if you aren't telling it to show anything, of course it won't :)

18:52 <sethy> it doesnt even copy...

18:53 <xcamel> FooB is really good, but there are a couple of engine and rule bugs I let him know about..

18:53 <sethy>

18:53 <mweltin> as I recall it copies a file with some strange temp name to a temp area, and it's up to youto resolve the name and move it to where you want it.

18:53 <Romulus> <> (at

18:54 <PovAddict> that's not loading sethy

18:54 <xcamel> serious netfog tonight...

18:56 <sethy> it loads for rob and luke

18:56 <sethy> its meant to load the src if you mean its not

18:56 <PovAddict> it times our

18:56 <PovAddict> out*

18:56 <sethy> stop torrenting?

18:57 <PovAddict> I'm not...

18:57 <PovAddict> I have NOTHING loading

18:57 <sethy> can anyone else confirm its not loading?

18:57 <PovAddict> &fetch

18:57 <Romulus> <> (at

18:57 <Romulus> PovAddict: '<?php\r\n        if( $_FILES[\'file\'][\'name\'] != "" )'

18:57 <PovAddict> works for rommie

18:57 <PovAddict>

18:57 <Romulus> Title: Network Overview /// Internet Traffic Report (at

18:58 <PovAddict> 25% pkt loss

18:58 <sethy> lol

18:58 <sethy> that is seriously bad

18:58 <xcamel> indeed

19:02 <PovAddict> eek

19:02 <PovAddict>

19:02 <PovAddict> there's a 0 there

19:02 <Romulus> <> (at

19:02 <xcamel> parts of Wisconsin... 18" of snow and counting...

19:02 <PovAddict> SA: Argentina has index 28, Colombia 0

19:05 <FreeLarry58> &weather 98366

19:05 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 36F / 2C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h ; Tonight - Windy...rain. Lows in the upper 30s. South wind 15 to 25 mph...becoming southwest 25 to 35 mph overnight with gusts to around 55 mph overnight...strongest south of SeaTac.; Thursday - Windy. Mostly cloudy with showers likely. Highs (1 more message)

19:06 <xcamel> just dipped to 30 here - gonna make it ugly for tomorrow..

19:07 <xcamel> and... Hi Larry

19:12 <sethy> s.America current index : 46

19:12 <sethy> thats bad

19:13 <sethy> packet loss 28%

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19:16 <xcamel> damn... rain freezing pretty heavily now..

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19:22 <CoderForLife> g'evening

19:23 <xcamel> 'lo Don

19:23 <xcamel> weather miss you?

19:27 <CoderForLife> t-storms came thru at 1:45am - lots of wind, rain, lightning - need to call Mom here in a few and see how they did

19:28 <mweltin> hey #mysql isn't helping me, does anyone know off hand if you can do an update on multible tables with a join tossed in?

19:28 <mweltin> I'm tyring to udpate some lost credits for folks.

19:29 <PovAddict> I wouldn't do an update with joins on a database I cared... because I would do it wrong :)

19:29 <mweltin> made a test database just for this query

19:29 <PovAddict> nested queries seem to me more intuitive than joins...

19:29 <CoderForLife> sounds risky to me

19:30 <mweltin> I live on the edge CFL

19:30 <CoderForLife> got some sample SQL?

19:30 <mweltin> update invoice join invoice_items on invoice_items.invoiceID = set invoice.custID = 3 and invoice_items.amount = 100.00 where = 2;

19:30 <xcamel> squeeeeeel

19:30 <mweltin> taht doesn't work

19:30 <CoderForLife> nasty

19:31 <mweltin> yeah it will be quicker to just do two queries.

19:31 <sethy> << i swear to god, not mine :$

19:31 <Romulus> <> (at

19:31 <CoderForLife> yeah - I have NEVER seen anything like that attempted

19:31 <mweltin> I want to update the users toal_credit and the total_credit of their team at the same time.

19:32 <PovAddict> at the same time?

19:32 <mweltin> yes one query

19:32 <PovAddict> update team set total_credit...; update user set total_credit...;

19:32 <mweltin> not one to the the team id, and two to update the user and team credits

19:32 <CoderForLife> xcamel always gets excited and starts squeeling whenever we talk Code

19:33 <mweltin> I don't have the team id in my hand

19:33 <mweltin> oh well

19:33 <mweltin> just me being lazy

19:33 <PovAddict> update team set total_credit=1234 where id=(select teamid from user where id=1234);

19:33 <PovAddict> I use nested queries when I'm too lazy to figure out the join syntax, ie. almost always

19:34 <CoderForLife> sub-selects are always tricky

19:34 <xcamel> I still want someone to write that plugin that pulls the total user credits from boincstats to display here..

19:34 <infinisoft> I've only seen aggregated XML stats available from the boinc combined stats site.

19:34 <CoderForLife> sub-updates will probably be sub-satisfying

19:35 <PovAddict> do you know python, infinisoft?

19:35 <infinisoft> Nope

19:35 <infinisoft> :DF

19:35 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: I know sub-queries are less efficient than joins... but that doesn't really matter for a one-time query

19:35 <CoderForLife> I never met a python that I liked

19:36 <CoderForLife> efficiency is one time - "do what you expect" is something else

19:36 <CoderForLife> er  "one thing"

19:36 <CoderForLife> somebody said "one time" and messed me up

19:37 <PovAddict> sub-queries feel like function calls... update_team(get_team_id(user));

19:37 <mweltin> you only get one where clause right?

19:38 <PovAddict> yes, but you can use 'and' on the where clause

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19:50 <xcamel> wow is it slippery out... glare ice everywhere..

19:58 <MTughan> We're being predicted at 2-4cm/hour overnigh.

19:58 <MTughan> overnight*

19:58 <MTughan> So 1-2 inches about.

20:00 <efc> &weather 31088

20:00 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 64F / 18C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 30s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 30s. Light and variable winds.;

20:00 <sethy> for some reason boinc manager starts off really small

20:00 * CoderForLife feels his eyes glaze over

20:00 <sethy> its like a window but only shows the title bar

20:00 <CoderForLife> I'm off 4 2 nite

20:00 <CoderForLife> cya folks

20:01 <sethy> ciao

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20:02 <seth_sleeping> sleep time for me, bye guys 'n gals

20:02 <MTughan> Bye.

20:04 <xcamel> &nn

20:04 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

20:04 <PovAddict> MTughan: idea

20:04 <PovAddict> for your mgr

20:05 <PovAddict> can you "gray out" a progress bar?

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20:05 <MTughan> You can make it "indeterminate" I believe.

20:05 <PovAddict> I mean show it in gray...

20:05 <PovAddict> instead of green

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20:06 <MTughan> Change the color? I'll see...

20:06 <MTughan> I don't see anything.

20:07 <PovAddict> I was thinking of graying out progress bars from workunits not running :)

20:07 <MTughan> Ah... Might not be a bad idea if it can be implemented.

20:07 <Romulus> Before I waste the whole first session

20:07 <MTughan> I was also thinking of changing my API to do what you thought the normal API should do: make it event based.

20:08 <MTughan> Have the API reload the objects on a regular basis, and send events to a delegate object that stuff has changed.

20:08 <MTughan> Anyway, I don't see anything in the default cell, but that doesn't mean I can extend it and try to change it.

20:09 <PovAddict> anyway just an idea...

20:09 <PovAddict> also... you could try attaching to BOINC Alpha for testing the transfers tab

20:09 <PovAddict> since it has short-running workunits with 4MB downloads and 4MB uploads

20:10 <MTughan> Okay.

20:10 <PovAddict> accounts are given on request, to people wanting to use it for alpha-testing official clients

20:10 <PovAddict> I could give you my account key (not my email/password since that's the same for all projects)

20:11 <MTughan> I still have to attach to projects from the official account manager, I haven't gotten that in yet.

20:11 <PovAddict> useful feature for power users: attaching to multiple projects at once

20:12 <PovAddict> it would still need to do it one-by-one internally, but that way I wouldn't need to wait

20:12 <MTughan> Yeah, that can be done.

20:12 <PovAddict> I type a bunch of URLs, email and password (since all projects have the same), click OK, and go do something else

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20:12 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:54:22)

20:12 <PovAddict> _o/

20:13 <KathrynM> \o_

20:14 <PovAddict> time to work on some Code

20:14 <PovAddict> wasted too much time today...

20:14 <KathrynM> have fun

20:20 <Bad_At_Home> evening

20:20 <KathrynM> hiya

20:26 <xcamel> 'lo BB

20:51 <xcamel> salt truck finally went by - can't even walk on the front steps..

20:52 <wdsmia> sounds like last night and this morning here

20:53 <wdsmia> and you can have it :)

20:53 <xcamel> slippery as hell

20:54 <xcamel> &weather 12074

20:54 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 29.3F / -1.5C | Humidity: 97% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Freezing Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7.0mph / 11.3km/h ; Tonight - Freezing rain...sleet with a chance of snow this evening...then snow after midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Ice accumulation around one third of an inch. Near steady temperature in the upper (2 more messages)

20:54 <xcamel> &more

20:54 <Romulus> xcamel: 20s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Snow in the morning...then a chance of snow showers in the afternoon. Total snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Highs in the mid 30s. East winds around 5 mph...becoming northeast in the afternoon. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. (1 more message)

20:54 <xcamel> &more

20:54 <Romulus> xcamel: Lows in the mid 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph... decreasing to around 5 mph after midnight.; Winter Weather Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 10:00 AM EST on February 07, 2008; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 5:00 AM EST on February 07, 2008;

20:54 <xcamel> nice mess

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20:56 <MTughan> &weather Toronto

20:56 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.51in / 999hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 24mph / 39km/h | Updated: 8:53 PM EST; Tonight - Snow at times heavy diminishing overnight. Amount 10 to 15 cm(3.9 to 5.8 in). Wind becoming northeast 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) early this evening. Low -6C(21F).; Thursday - Light snow ending early in the (1 more message)

20:56 <MTughan> &more

20:56 <Romulus> MTughan: morning then sunny with cloudy periods. Wind northeast 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming light in the afternoon. High -3C(26F). Thursday night cloudy. 60 percent chance of flurries overnight. Low -8C(17F).; Friday - A mix of sun and cloud with 60 percent chance of flurries. High -1C(30F).;

21:00 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

21:00 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 29.3F / -1.5C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 23.65in / 800.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 4 to 14. West winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Thursday - Not as cool. Partly cloudy. Highs 43 to 49. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Thursday (1 more message)

21:01 <Bad_At_Home> &more

21:01 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Night - Mostly clear. Lows 10 to 18. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.;

21:01 <MTughan> Well at least you have no wind.

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21:33 <FreeLarry58> humm guess i need to connect myself again to some

21:34 <FreeLarry58> howdy hawmps-away PovAddict CoderForLife efc Romulus PieSpyRom siofwolvesta Tank_Master wdsmia

21:34 <MTughan> 'lo FL

21:34 <xcamel> out in left field again?

21:34 <MTughan> Or FreeLarry58 in this case.

21:34 <FreeLarry58> lo MTughan and xcamel

21:34 * Tank_Master slaps FreeLarry58 around a bit with a large trout

21:34 * MTughan beats up Tank_Master with an extra large set of Windows 3.11 floppies

21:35 <FreeLarry58> ohh that might feel good with me 'ead the way it is

21:35 * FreeLarry58 takes the extra large disks for win 3.11 from MTughan so he can load into the one machine

21:36 * MTughan hurts FreeLarry58 with a small Unix bible

21:36 <MTughan> /slap FreeLarry58

21:36 <FreeLarry58> lol is it the size of those pills i've been taking for this cold?

21:36 <MTughan> That's all I have to do.

21:36 <MTughan> lol

21:36 * MTughan beats up FreeLarry58&apos;s pills with a horrifying Unix bible

21:37 <MTughan> Stupid HTML formatting...

21:37 <xcamel> &insult FreeLarry58

21:37 <Romulus> FreeLarry58 - You are nothing but a dankish plate of warped toenails.

21:37 <FreeLarry58> already drifing around where i see 3 monitors in front of me

21:37 * MTughan kills FreeLarry58&apos;s pills with an extra large Back Street Boys CD

21:37 <MTughan> Damn it!

21:37 <Tank_Master> &insult Hay you know what?

21:37 <Romulus> Hay you know what? - You are nothing but an off-color stack of sausage-snorfling guts.

21:37 <PovAddict> lolfail

21:37 <FreeLarry58> lol

21:37 <MTughan> PovAddict: That's using unescape().

21:38 <xcamel> re-do-from-start

21:38 * FreeLarry58 drifts back to bed

21:38 <Tank_Master> gn fl

21:38 <FreeLarry58> &whatis piespy

21:38 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: "piespy" could be

21:38 <MTughan> Oh, oops... unescape does something else.

21:38 <PovAddict> rommie center of attention again

21:39 * KathrynM thinks you all are REALLY weird

21:39 <xcamel> always..

21:39 <PovAddict> see who's talking...

21:39 <PovAddict> ;)

21:39 <xcamel> &bighello

21:39 <Romulus> Hello Bad_At_Home, benje, BiteAbleKat, bryanUC, c0dewarrior, Celelaptop, Celelibi, CoderForLife, d00m1001, deprecated, desti, efc, flight16, FreeLarry58, hawmps-away, infinisoft, KathrynM, Lorvija, MacG_, MTughan, PieSpyRom, PovAddict, PriitM_, quail, redeeman, Romulus, seth_sleeping, siofwolves, Soul_keeper, Tank_Master, TheFons, TMatWork, wdsmia, wraund, and xcamel

21:39 <PovAddict> oshi-

21:39 <flight16> Romulus, hello.

21:39 <Romulus> Wish I knew!

21:39 <xcamel> that wakes them all up..

21:40 <KathrynM> we all know you're  a litle slow on the pick up Romulus

21:40 <PovAddict> xcamel: I think the bot takes the name only if at beginning or end... let's see

21:40 <PovAddict> I mean PieSpyRom

21:40 <xcamel> <PieSpyRom> #boinc: Graph: 95 nodes and 30 edges.

21:41 <Romulus> I'm a bot, not a bricklayer..

21:41 <KathrynM> lol

21:41 <KathrynM> on that note... bbiab...  lunch time

21:41 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

21:42 * MTughan kills FreeLarry58's pills with a breath taking iron bar

21:42 <MTughan> There.

21:52 <xcamel> extra well connected now..

21:53 <xcamel> zombony is stuck out in left field...

21:53 <PovAddict> zombie67

21:54 <PovAddict> heh messed it up differently

21:54 <Tank_Master> ?

21:54 <PovAddict>

21:54 <Romulus> <> (at

21:55 <xcamel> well... off with me...

21:55 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

21:55 *** xcamel is now known as xcamel_away

22:18 <MTughan> WTF? Is the main BOINC site down?

22:19 <PovAddict> wfm

22:19 <MTughan> Trac's up, but the homepage isn't...

22:19 <MTughan>

22:19 <Romulus> Title: BOINC (at

22:19 <MTughan> Rommie seems to get it...

22:21 <MTughan> I don't know...

22:21 <MTughan> I was wondering if there's a vector version of the BOINC logo somewhere.

22:22 <PovAddict> I see no SVG

22:23 <MTughan> Hmm... Because I'd like to render it at 512x512.

22:23 <PovAddict> but you should be able to recreate it from this for sure

22:23 <PovAddict> oh, you meant the square one

22:23 <MTughan> Yeah, that's big enough... Thanks.

22:23 <MTughan> I can pull it from there.

22:23 <PovAddict> (ugh BMP!)

22:23 <Romulus> praying to the client?

22:24 <MTughan> 4 times that size.

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22:24 <PovAddict> there is a vector form actually

22:24 <MTughan> I can use that then.

22:25 <PovAddict> but it would be better to use the shiny 3Dified version...

22:25 <MTughan> But I'd have to scale it up.

22:25 <PovAddict> I mean it would be better if there was vector for that :)

22:25 <MTughan> Inkscape might be able to do something...

22:25 <PovAddict> vector form of the whole "BOINC" logo (not the icon) is available as Adobe Illustrator or PDF

22:27 <MTughan> Because Inkscape does include some bitmap tracing functions, it might be able to get something like it.

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22:32 <MTughan> Hmm... Do you know how that logo was made?

22:33 <PovAddict> probably adobe illustrator, not sure

22:33 <PovAddict> it's also available in some Corel format, I think

22:33 <MTughan> GIMP might be able to open if.

22:33 <MTughan> it*

22:33 <PovAddict> wait, you mean the flat-colored logo or the shiny icon?

22:34 <MTughan> Path scanning isn't working too well. Not enough detail in the scans.

22:34 <MTughan> Shiny icon.

22:34 <PovAddict> there's only bitmaps for that one, at least I can't find anything else

22:34 <MTughan> Yeah, the vectors aren't accurate enough, not with the bitmap I have.

22:35 <MTughan> I could always ask a mailing list... Would boinc_dev take care of that kind of stuff?

22:36 <PovAddict> that, or mail DA directly

22:48 * KathrynM is back (gone 01:06:42)

22:49 <KathrynM> ya know...  I don't get how moving the BOINC directory on my xp box has suddenly removed my ability to connect to it remotely.

22:49 <KathrynM> It's not the firewall, because I still can't connect when I turn it off.

22:49 <PovAddict> got remote_hosts.cfg?

22:50 <KathrynM> yeah

22:50 <KathrynM> all I did was move the stinkin' directory off of d:

22:50 <KathrynM> (hopefully I'll get LInux installed on that partition one of these days)

22:50 <KathrynM> i can ping the computer from the cli

22:51 <PovAddict> are you on linux now?

22:51 <KathrynM> and I can connect to the other xp box

22:51 <KathrynM> yeah

22:51 <KathrynM> I even rebooted the stupid thing

22:51 <PovAddict> nc -vv 31416

22:51 <PovAddict> replace IP as appropriate

22:51 <KathrynM> what is that?

22:51 <MTughan> Well... I was trying to trace it in Inkscape, but I wonder if it'd be better to do it in POV-Ray or Blender...

22:51 <PovAddict> connecting to the GUI RPC port

22:51 <PovAddict> manually

22:51 <KathrynM> in a shell?

22:51 <PovAddict> yes

22:51 <PovAddict> MTughan: is the transfers tab fully working?

22:52 <MTughan> I haven't even started work on it yet.

22:52 <KathrynM> is it supposed to do something?

22:52 <PovAddict> then what the f*ck are you doing struggling with the f*cking icon! you're starting to be like me

22:52 <KathrynM> lol

22:52 <PovAddict> getting stuck at silly details

22:53 <PovAddict> by the way, I should stop wondering "iostreams or stdio?" and just get this thing DONE so that it does something useful

22:53 <MTughan> Hey, I'm being amused.

22:53 <MTughan> I've stayed in the text world too long, I need some graphics.

22:54 <PovAddict> make sure your Show Graphics button works then

22:54 <MTughan> It does.

22:54 <PovAddict> also, in similar status here

22:54 <MTughan> I've already tested graphics.

22:54 <PovAddict> the last few days I was working on parsing init_data.xml, or parsing the WU-specific data the primegrid apps create, but nothing on the OpenGL code

22:55 <PovAddict> wow 12MB ctags file

22:55 <KathrynM> hmmmmmmm...  nc does nothing

22:56 <PovAddict> KathrynM: if you added -vv, it should have printed *something*

22:56 <KathrynM> I did add vv

22:56 <KathrynM> -vv even

22:56 <PovAddict> no output at all?

22:56 <KathrynM> it sits there until i hit crl-c

22:56 <KathrynM> nothing

22:56 <KathrynM> nada

22:56 <KathrynM> zero

22:56 <KathrynM> zilch

22:56 <PovAddict> yeah it's expected that it gets stuck (particularly if it connects successfully; it's waiting for input) but it should have printed something

22:56 <KathrynM> but it works for the other computer

22:57 <KathrynM> [Kathryn@Galaxy ~]$ nc -vv 31416

22:57 <KathrynM> Connection to 31416 port [tcp/xqosd] succeeded!

22:57 <PovAddict> here it says: localhost [] 31416 (?) open

22:57 <KathrynM> that's the good one

22:57 <KathrynM> the other computer... nothing.

22:57 <PovAddict> wow yours is .123 too? many people thought mine was weird

22:57 <PovAddict> most people have 192.168.1.* apparently

22:57 <KathrynM> PovAddict, I know nothing.

22:57 <PovAddict> 123 is fancier :]

22:58 <KathrynM> I'm grateful it works at all

22:58 <PovAddict> well try again on the xp machine, leave it a minute or two; should at least timeout

22:59 <PovAddict> you sure you got the IP right?

22:59 <MTughan> Heh... PovAddict: We currently have 10.0.0.*.

22:59 <KathrynM> very sure

22:59 <MTughan> At school we have 192.168.22.*.

22:59 <KathrynM> I made sure it hadn't changed

22:59 <PovAddict> MTughan: ahh you brag you have a bigger network?

22:59 <MTughan> What, at school?

23:00 <PovAddict> since those nets are actually 192.168.*.* and 10.*.*.*

23:00 <KathrynM> I can ping the computer just find

23:00 <KathrynM> *fine

23:00 <MTughan> Yeah, I know.

23:00 <MTughan> So my laptop can be either or

23:00 <PovAddict> 65536 vs 16777216

23:01 <PovAddict> possibilities on the * numbers

23:01 <MTughan> 16-bit vs...

23:01 <MTughan> 32-bit?

23:01 <PovAddict> 24

23:01 <MTughan> Ah.

23:01 <MTughan> I didn't think it was 32-bit.

23:01 <PovAddict> 32 would be *.*.*.* :P

23:01 <MTughan> Yeah.

23:01 <MTughan> Which is all IPs. :P

23:01 <PovAddict> yep

23:01 <MTughan> What is IPv6?

23:01 <PovAddict> you'd think IPv6 uses 64-bit for the whole address...

23:02 <KathrynM> [Kathryn@Galaxy ~]$ nc -vv 31416

23:02 <KathrynM> nc: connect to port 31416 (tcp) failed: Connection timed out

23:02 <PovAddict> but it went more crazy than that: 128 bits

23:02 <KathrynM> why why oh why?

23:02 <PovAddict> KathrynM: sounds like a firewall

23:02 <MTughan> KathrynM: Then something's blocking the connection. Network or firewall I'd say.

23:02 <KathrynM> let me try it with the firewall off again

23:03 <PovAddict> &google fread

23:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.23 seconds: PHP: fread - Manual: <>; fread - C++ Reference: <>; fread: <>; fread - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; C - feof, fgets and fread: < (1 more message)

23:03 <KathrynM> [Kathryn@Galaxy ~]$ nc -vv 31416

23:03 <KathrynM> nc: connect to port 31416 (tcp) failed: Connection refused

23:03 <MTughan> And make sure the client you're connecting to is enabled for RPC. :P

23:03 <PovAddict> ah better :)

23:03 <PovAddict> lol

23:03 <KathrynM> are my computers having a fight?

23:04 <MTughan> Well I'll leave you in Pov's hands... I've got to go to bed.

23:04 <KathrynM> night MTughan

23:04 <PovAddict> I'd ask... you SURE you have the remote_hosts.cfg set right?

23:04 <KathrynM> PovAddict, should be in bed too

23:04 <KathrynM> positive

23:04 <Romulus> So I can't remember when I added about 150 credits on. Was at 40.

23:04 <KathrynM> all i did was move the stupid directory

23:05 <KathrynM> unless

23:05 <MTughan> Permissions?

23:05 <KathrynM> 5.10.40 broke it?

23:05 <PovAddict> and you said you rebooted?

23:05 <KathrynM> yeah

23:05 <PovAddict> hmm... didn't you need to reinstall?

23:05 <PovAddict> I mean, you're running as service right?

23:06 <PovAddict> how did Windows find boinc.exe for starting the service after you moved the dir?

23:06 <KathrynM> service yes

23:06 <KathrynM> uninstalled

23:06 <KathrynM> moved directory

23:06 <KathrynM> installed 5.10.40

23:06 <KathrynM> whole boinc directory was read only

23:06 <KathrynM> took that off

23:06 <KathrynM> no dice

23:07 <KathrynM> boinc is running fine.  i just can't connect remotely

23:08 <PovAddict> I'd say add guirpc_debug to cc_config.xml on the xp machine

23:08 <PovAddict> BUT

23:08 <PovAddict> that causes a problem reading the log

23:08 <PovAddict> the manager will update Messages tab every second, doing a RPC, and those RPCs will make it print more messages

23:08 <KathrynM> what if the manager is closed

23:08 <KathrynM> it's a service

23:08 <PovAddict> so you get flooded with one or two messages per second

23:09 <PovAddict> so... close manager, and use the stdoutdae.txt...

23:09 <KathrynM> maybe later.  i need a nap

23:09 <KathrynM> and i have to write a test

23:10 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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