IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-02-10

00:00 * KathrynM is back (gone 13:10:39)

00:00 <zombie67> what are they up to now?

00:03 *** KathrynM has quit IRC

00:03 <efc> Cyrix 6x86 still burning away..

00:08 <zombie67> this both sucks and blows

00:15 <zombie67> MTughan:  You still there?

00:16 <MTughan> Yeah.

00:16 <zombie67> For TSP, how do I tell if I got the (BF) "Mac OS 10.4 or later running on Intel" or "Mac OS 10.5+ running on Intel 64-bit"

00:16 <zombie67> ?

00:17 <MTughan> Look in the project directory...

00:17 <zombie67> application name is "tsp_2.15_i686-apple-darwin"

00:17 <PovAddict> 32-bit app then

00:17 <MTughan> Mac OS 10.4 or later running on Intel.

00:18 <zombie67> so how do I get the other?

00:18 <MTughan> The Manager has to request it, which is apparently doesn't...

00:18 <zombie67> so.....?

00:18 <Romulus> [He !@#&s his gun.]

00:19 <MTughan> You could use an app_info.xml.

00:19 <zombie67> okay....need some help then

00:19 <MTughan> I can make one.

00:19 <zombie67> thanks!

00:19 <zombie67> zombie67 at mac dot com

00:19 <MTughan> I'll zip it up with the app for you.

00:20 <zombie67> sweet!

00:20 <zombie67> thanks!

00:20 <zombie67> But, then what is the point of having the app on the server

00:20 <zombie67> ?

00:20 <zombie67> shouldn't it just work?

00:20 <MTughan> When 6.x is released, I imagine it'll include full support for x86_64.

00:21 <MTughan> Do you want BF or GA?

00:21 <MTughan> Or both?

00:21 <zombie67> both please.

00:21 <zombie67> there may be a few stragglers for GA

00:22 <MTughan> Okay.

00:22 <PovAddict> 5.x already should support it

00:22 <PovAddict> TSP must have some server issue about it

00:22 <zombie67> and of course a app_info.xml that works for both

00:22 <zombie67> mweltin is not in da house

00:23 <zombie67> I *really* like having the My Account link at the bottom of pages now

00:24 <zombie67> http://cpdnbeta.oerc.ox.ac.uk/top_users.php

00:24 <Romulus> Title: Top participants (at cpdnbeta.oerc.ox.ac.uk)

00:24 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/tsp.zip

00:24 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WYj> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

00:25 <MTughan> PovAddict: The BOINC Manager doesn't have an x86_64 build.

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00:27 <zombie67> Thanks!

00:27 <zombie67> how in the world do people live without quicksilver?

00:27 <MTughan> I don't.

00:27 <PovAddict> MTughan: BOINC for Mac is a universal binary

00:27 <MTughan> PovAddict: Still only i386 and PPC builds.

00:27 <zombie67> you don't live without it?  or you you don't use it?

00:27 <PovAddict> oh RIGHT

00:27 <MTughan> I don't use it.

00:27 <zombie67> wow.

00:27 <MTughan> $ file BOINCManager

00:27 <MTughan> BOINCManager: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures

00:27 <MTughan> BOINCManager (for architecture i386):Mach-O executable i386

00:27 <MTughan> BOINCManager (for architecture ppc):Mach-O executable ppc

00:28 <zombie67> once you "get it", nothing is faster

00:28 <MTughan> To do what?

00:28 <zombie67> Sat Feb  9 21:27:54 2008|traveling salesman problem|[error] No app version for result: i686-apple-darwin -1

00:28 <MTughan> Restart BOINC.

00:28 <PovAddict> zombie67: reset project

00:29 <MTughan> PovAddict: If he resets, won't he delete the app_info.xml?

00:29 <zombie67> it didn't

00:29 <MTughan> Oh...

00:29 <Romulus> up, mweltin is that a large cap lock

00:29 <PovAddict> MTughan: Quicksilver is some sort of Spotlight

00:29 <zombie67> but still getting the error message

00:29 <MTughan> Restart BOINC.

00:30 <zombie67> QS is WAY more than spotlight.  better at what spotlight does too

00:30 <zombie67> Sat Feb  9 21:26:48 2008|traveling salesman problem|[error] No app version for result: i686-apple-darwin -1

00:30 <MTughan> I don't use Spotlight.

00:30 <PovAddict> o_O

00:30 <zombie67> me neither

00:30 <MTughan> zombie67: You restarted BOINC?

00:30 <zombie67> yeah

00:30 <PovAddict> zombie67: you don't use Spotlight, you use Quicksilver... MTughan doesn't use Spotlight, and doesn't use any "replacement" either

00:30 <zombie67> quit boinc, copied files, fixed ownership, restarted boinc

00:30 <zombie67> I understand

00:31 <MTughan> If any replacement, it's the Unix find command.

00:31 <MTughan> Gets into the hidden parts.

00:31 <PovAddict> find functions inside code :)

00:31 <MTughan> grep.

00:31 <MTughan> zombie67: Where did you extract them too?

00:32 <PovAddict> an indexed search is way faster than find -name *.h | xargs grep functionname

00:32 <MTughan> Oh... In the messages page, near the top, does it say it found the app_info.xml?

00:32 <zombie67> you misunderstand what QS is about.  it is not a Find program, it is a launcher

00:32 <MTughan> Stacks are helpful.

00:32 <zombie67> Sat Feb  9 21:26:43 2008|traveling salesman problem|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform

00:32 <MTughan> So that is working...

00:33 <MTughan> The only thing I can think of is that the platforms are colliding...

00:33 <MTughan> PovAddict: Would I identify the app as a 32-bit or a 64-bit?

00:33 <zombie67> there is a space in the file

00:33 <PovAddict> "No app version for result" is weird

00:33 <zombie67> under file info

00:33 <PovAddict> if you reset project, you shouldn't have results

00:33 <zombie67> I have no results

00:34 <PovAddict> try faking it...

00:34 <zombie67> <api_version>6.1.0</api_version>

00:34 <zombie67> ??

00:34 <PovAddict> make app_info.xml say it's  i686-apple-darwin

00:34 <zombie67> 5.10.41 is what I am using

00:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: Should I identify the app as 32-bit or 64-bit? I'm identifying as 640bit...

00:35 <MTughan> Yeah, change <platform>x86_64-apple-darwin</platform> to <platform>i686-apple-darwin</platform> both times.

00:35 <zombie67> Is this okay?:  [21:34]  <zombie67>   <api_version>6.1.0</api_version>

00:36 <MTughan> Yes.

00:36 <zombie67> okay, made the change, restarting.

00:36 <MTughan> It may actually be a bit later, but that won't affect it.

00:36 <zombie67> Sat Feb  9 21:36:20 2008|traveling salesman problem|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform

00:36 <zombie67> w00t!

00:36 <MTughan> Lots of BF.

00:37 <MTughan> Hmm... PovAddict: Bug?

00:37 <MTughan> It won't accept anonymous platform for what it's not on.

00:38 <PovAddict> hmm idea

00:39 <PovAddict> zombie67: version?

00:39 <PovAddict> of boinc

00:39 <MTughan> He said 5.10.41 already.

00:39 <MTughan> <zombie67> 5.10.41 is what I am using

00:39 <PovAddict> if you have >5.10.26, you can use a different "method"...

00:40 <MTughan> Now I'm interested...

00:40 <zombie67> yeah, 5.10.41

00:40 <PovAddict> detach project, and delete all the app_info stuff, then create cc_config.xml with http://www.pastebin.ca/898286

00:40 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Anonymous - post number 898286 (at www.pastebin.ca)

00:40 <zombie67> who?

00:40 <PovAddict> (or add alt_platform to your existing stuff, if file already exists)

00:41 <MTughan> Oh, nice...

00:41 <PovAddict> erm, not detach project... *reset* project :)

00:41 <PovAddict> although detaching would delete everything, app_info included :)

00:41 <zombie67> talking to me?

00:41 <MTughan> Yeah.

00:42 <zombie67> start over, what do you want me to do?

00:42 <PovAddict> hmm

00:42 <MTughan> Alternative to app_info.xml, makes BOINC download x86_64 apps.

00:42 <PovAddict> actually I think that *might* not work...

00:42 <MTughan> Do you have a cc_config.xml in /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data?

00:42 <PovAddict> maybe that will make it say "give me 32-bit if you have it, or alternatively 64-bit", which is the opposite of what you really need

00:42 <zombie67> I have a cc_config file

00:42 <Romulus> zombie67: send me your use of svn

00:42 <PovAddict> stfu bot

00:42 <MTughan> &stfu

00:42 * Romulus shuts up (fingers crossed)

00:43 * zombie67 is waiting for instructions

00:43 <PovAddict> zombie67: see my last msg... maybe this isn't actually a good idea

00:43 <MTughan> He's saying put this in: http://www.pastebin.ca/898286

00:43 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Anonymous - post number 898286 (at www.pastebin.ca)

00:43 <zombie67> remember, I have already blown 40+ results

00:44 <zombie67> give it to me in steps please

00:44 <PovAddict> nvm, I'll first have to ask a dev if this would actually work

00:44 <zombie67> i assume this includes doing thing with app_info, resetting, etc

00:45 <zombie67> I can only blow so many before I am locked out for another day

00:46 <zombie67> wow, the new versions go into "high priority" many days before deadline

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00:47 <zombie67> i wabbit

00:47 <zombie67> h

00:47 <Wabbit98> zombie

00:48 <KathrynM> what's the boinc_cmd to dettach from a project?

00:48 <zombie67> MTughan:  Is the 64 bit leopard app supposed to be faster at BF?

00:48 <MTughan> No idea.

00:48 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --project detach http://project.url/

00:48 <zombie67> GTFO

00:48 <zombie67> ;)

00:48 <KathrynM> txh

00:49 <zombie67> looks like it will take my 3ghz XEON about 40 min.

00:49 <PovAddict> MTughan: you have a curious questioner @ boincdev:)

00:50 <zombie67> my 2.4ghz C2D with XP64 does it in 26 min.

00:51 <zombie67> heh.  8)

00:52 * KathrynM feel like punching boinc

00:52 * zombie67 too

00:52 <zombie67> at least you get to use all of your CPU

00:52 <KathrynM> i'm not so sure on that right now

00:53 <zombie67> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2236&nowrap=true#15337

00:53 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WXd> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

00:53 <KathrynM> ouch

00:56 <zombie67> duh, I meant 5.10, not 10.5....

00:56 <zombie67> too much tiger on the mind

00:56 <zombie67> vs. leopard

00:56 <PovAddict> lol

00:56 <PovAddict> can you edit?

00:56 <zombie67> way past the hour limit

00:56 <KathrynM> repost it and I can delete the original

00:57 <zombie67> cool!  I'll do it right now

00:57 <KathrynM> let me know when

00:57 <PovAddict> mods should have editing allowed...

00:58 <PovAddict> to remove email addresses from idiots who post it publicly for example

00:58 <KathrynM> yeah well

00:58 <zombie67> I thought edits messed up your grand plan for nntp

00:58 <PovAddict> they sure do...

00:58 <PovAddict> good point

00:58 <PovAddict> it's 4 am

00:58 <KathrynM> you should go to bed

00:58 <zombie67> I am old school usenet....you post it, it's there for EVER

00:59 <zombie67> posted

01:00 <KathrynM> done

01:01 <PovAddict> KathrynM: I can't test PG graphics correctly :(

01:01 <KathrynM> why?

01:02 <MTughan> Okay, I added my own response to Charlie. Including screenshots.

01:02 <PovAddict> only newer versions of the API can start up the v6 graphics when a v5 client asks for it... so I need either an updated PG app (compiled with latest API), or test using client v6

01:03 <PovAddict> MTughan: http://home.interlog.com/~kidcare/michaelsprogramming/BOINCMgrMTughan.png WTF happened with that titlebar!?

01:03 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WYp> (at home.interlog.com)

01:03 <PovAddict> and the statusbar text

01:03 <MTughan> Hmm?

01:03 <MTughan> White?

01:04 <PovAddict> that's unreadable :)

01:04 <MTughan> One sec...

01:04 <zombie67> MT:  did pov tell you my other idea?

01:04 <zombie67> for the messages tab

01:04 <PovAddict> oh I think I didnt

01:05 <zombie67> I want to be able to filter on a particular project

01:05 <PovAddict> (17:30:16) zombie67: when on the messages tab, I would like to be able to display specific to a particular project.

01:05 <PovAddict> (17:30:35) zombie67: IOW, "show me only LHC messages"

01:05 <PovAddict> (17:32:23) zombie67: I picture a column of buttons on the left, one for each project attached

01:05 <zombie67> thanks!

01:05 <MTughan> I didn't see that one...

01:05 <PovAddict> you weren't online, afaik

01:05 <MTughan> PovAddict: Try the screenshot again.

01:05 <PovAddict> ohh you *had* to use glass huh? :)

01:06 <MTughan> :D

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01:06 <zombie67> wow!  you run QCN ???

01:07 <MTughan> Yeah.

01:07 <zombie67> how?

01:07 <Romulus> I guess how is breakfast, zombie67

01:07 <MTughan> Although I've had 6 tasks crash.

01:07 <MTughan> zombie67: What do you mean, how?

01:07 <PovAddict> &forget how

01:07 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: There is no such factoid.

01:07 <zombie67> It keeps resetting me back to 1 task

01:07 <PovAddict> &moobotfactoids forget how

01:07 <Romulus> Wish I knew, PovAddict.

01:08 <zombie67> no matter how many times I change gen prefs back to 16, it keeps going back

01:08 <MTughan> It only needs to run one task at a time.

01:08 <zombie67> also, the admin says that he changed it to non-cpu, but it does not behave that way

01:08 <zombie67> ????

01:09 <MTughan> It monitors the motion sensor, using it like a crude seismometer.

01:09 <zombie67> gen prefs apply to ALL projects

01:09 <MTughan> There's only one sensor per computer, so you don't need more than one task running.

01:09 <zombie67> gen prefs apply to ALL projects

01:09 <MTughan> Still doesn't mean it'll get multiple tasks.

01:09 <PovAddict> &infobot tell PovAddict about how

01:10 <zombie67> gen prefs apply to ALL projects

01:10 <PovAddict> general?

01:10 <zombie67> yes

01:10 <PovAddict> what exact setting are you changing?

01:10 <MTughan> NON CPU INTENSIVE PROJECTS ONLY GET ONE TASK AT A TIME!

01:10 <PovAddict> CPUs?

01:10 <PovAddict> MTughan: QCN screws up settings for every single project

01:10 <Romulus> also am I supposed to change a tab completion

01:10 <zombie67> what we have here is a failure to communicate

01:10 <PovAddict> so that all projects get one task at a time...

01:11 <PovAddict> zombie67: is it CPUs you're changing?

01:11 <zombie67> so only one task runs at any given time.

01:11 <MTughan> Oh, the general prefs SNAFU?

01:11 <zombie67> YES

01:11 <PovAddict> yes, it's still going on

01:11 <PovAddict> sort of

01:11 <MTughan> I thought it had been fixed, but maybe not...

01:11 <MTughan> I don't know, I'm still crunching along.

01:11 <MTughan> Could also be that I've set the number of CPUs to use many times.

01:12 <zombie67> here is the problem:

01:12 <zombie67> if it is truly non-cpu, then they should not have to try to force 1 CPU

01:13 <MTughan> I think it is marked as non-CPU intensive, but that's not preventing it.

01:13 <zombie67> but they are doing both, forcing 1 CPU which should not be necessary for non-cpu

01:13 <MTughan> No, because I think the BOINC core is broken somehow.

01:14 <zombie67> and I think they really have not turned it to non-CPU like they think

01:14 <MTughan> So even with non-CPU, BOINC's still going for more than one task.

01:14 <MTughan> Yeah, maybe not properly.

01:14 <zombie67> no, depspid had to customize to get more than one

01:14 <MTughan> That's always a possibility. I didn't think of that.

01:15 <PovAddict> BOINC doesn't ask for work on non-cpu-intensive projects if it has any work from that project

01:15 <PovAddict> if the project sends more than one, BOINC won't ask more until they are *all* done

01:15 <zombie67> look at it like this:  say it d/l two non-CPU tasks.  Do you really have 4 running on your dual core?

01:16 <zombie67> in any case

01:16 <zombie67> if they really *do* have it set as non-CPU, then there is no need to force 1 CPU general prefs!

01:17 <zombie67> but they keep resetting my gen prefs

01:17 <zombie67> superlink did something similar at first

01:18 <zombie67> it never occured to them that people run other projects, and that gen prefs were shared with other projects

01:19 <MTughan> Oh, you were telling us about Quicksilver earlier. Just what can it do?

01:19 <Tank_Master> They marked it as non cpu intensive after foring the general prefs

01:19 <Tank_Master> they didnt know about the setting at first

01:20 <zombie67> I know, but they never went back and fixed their gen prefs hack

01:20 <Tank_Master> still?

01:20 <PovAddict> &tell MTughan [google quicksilver mac]

01:20 <zombie67> QS is a keyboard based launcher

01:20 <zombie67> still

01:20 <MTughan> Fine... I'm on their page anyway.

01:20 <Tank_Master> numnutz

01:21 <MTughan> I did try it once, couldn't figure it out.

01:21 <zombie67> MT, I will send you the link to a laporte video podcast that makes it amazingly clear

01:21 <MTughan> All right...

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01:26 <zombie67> http://cdn1.libsyn.com/macbreak/macbreak-012-600p-h264.mov

01:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WZ3> (at cdn1.libsyn.com)

01:26 <MTughan> Thanks.

01:28 <zombie67> it is a launcher

01:28 <zombie67> but that is just the surface

01:28 <zombie67> you can take one action and throw into another

01:29 <zombie67> verbs

01:31 <zombie67> and it learns VERY fast

01:32 <zombie67> about 50% in to it, it gets really interesting

01:32 <MTughan> The video?

01:32 <zombie67> yeah

01:32 <MTughan> I'm not watching it at the moment.

01:33 <MTughan> Waiting for QS to install plugins.

01:33 <zombie67> just letting you know, don't get bored.  stick with it to until the 50% mark

01:33 <MTughan> I can do that.

01:33 <MTughan> If I ever get through the install... :P

01:34 <MTughan> iTunes plugin went fast, but the next one is slow... Been sitting here for about 6 minutes now.

01:34 <zombie67> cancel out of that

01:34 <MTughan> All right...

01:34 <zombie67> i noticed that today too

01:35 <zombie67> continue throuh

01:35 <zombie67> then go back to the prefs, and add the plugins there

01:35 <zombie67> snap snap snap

01:37 <zombie67> i think the install stalls on that #6 on leopard for some reason.

01:37 <zombie67> seriously though, stick with QS for a week, and you will never look back

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01:40 <zombie67> oh!  BOINC admin!  Hire yourself out.  Manage multiple projects.

01:40 <PovAddict> huh

01:41 <zombie67> POV, you could manage 20 projects, each for a fraction of what it would cost a project to hire a full time admin

01:41 <zombie67> let the project concentrate on app development

01:42 <Wabbit> I will hire myself out as alpha tester

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01:42 <zombie67> crap, we already do that for free

01:43 <Wabbit98> damn

01:43 <Wabbit98> we should charge now

01:44 <zombie67> luck with that

01:44 <Tank_Master> :P

01:44 <Wabbit98> I blame the secret you know who people

01:45 <zombie67> damn them!

01:45 <MTughan> Well, I'll watch that video tomorrow. I need to be off to bed.

01:45 <zombie67> brb

01:45 <Wabbit98> burn them

01:45 <zombie67> night MT, thanks for the help!

01:45 <Tank_Master> gn mt

01:45 <MTughan> np zombie

01:48 <zombie67> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080206

01:48 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WZ+> (at ars.userfriendly.org)

01:49 <zombie67> clearly, vi is the master

01:49 <zombie67> What's this all about?:  http://boincstats.com/forum/forum_thread.php?id=2930#29787

01:49 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WZ-> (at boincstats.com)

01:50 <Romulus> zombie67 at mac dot com

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02:10 <Wabbit98> wb TM

02:10 <Tank_Master_> frikin router

02:11 <Wabbit98> kick it

02:11 <Tank_Master_> I spent all this time trying to get my new build to reconnect to the internet

02:11 <Tank_Master_> thinkin the new drivers screwed soemthing up

02:12 <Tank_Master_> and just after I tell the reinstall to format the drive, I find out it was the router

02:12 <Tank_Master_> mIRC never times out

02:12 <zombie67> tank_master, the first rule is:  check the cables

02:13 <zombie67> router = cable

02:13 <Wabbit98> second rule is kick the server

02:13 <Tank_Master_> I swaped cabes

02:13 <Tank_Master_> router was blinkin just fine

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02:13 <zombie67> you got a bit of "_" on your chin

02:13 <Tank_Master_> and rebootin the router also kicks the DRVs downstailr

02:14 <Tank_Master_> I have to wait for my other nic to expire

02:14 <zombie67> DRV?

02:15 <Tank_Master_> DVR*

02:15 <zombie67> you aren't registered on this irc server?

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02:15 <zombie67> ah

02:15 <Tank_Master_> yeah

02:15 <Tank_Master_> the verizon filber TV uses the same router as the internet

02:16 <zombie67> you got FIOS????

02:16 <Tank_Master_> you know I do

02:17 <zombie67> I forgot.  Now I hate you again

02:17 <Tank_Master_> its only 5 down

02:17 <zombie67> it is whatever you pay for!

02:17 <zombie67> no matter what I pay, I can go no faster

02:18 <Wabbit98> you need new crystals

02:19 <Tank_Master_> or load balance with the neighbor's conection

02:19 <Wabbit98> or get more gerbils

02:20 <zombie67> dilithium

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02:38 <Tank_Master> zombie67

02:38 <Tank_Master> reboot your router and hopefully you can get a new IP

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02:39 <Tank_Master> I dont know why irc.icq is banning anyone who posts myminiycity links

02:39 <Tank_Master> you rebooted the router that fast?

02:39 <Wabbit67> hehehe

02:39 <zombie67> continuing on here

02:39 <zombie67> seti.usa.myminicity.com SETI.USA united states 93 2163 550600 1 99 1 1 1 0

02:40 <Wabbit67> kwsn.myminicity.com

02:40 <Tank_Master> 1 99 1 1 1

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02:40 <Tank_Master> ohh...

02:40 <Tank_Master> look at in with IE

02:40 <Tank_Master> so you can see the code

02:40 <zombie67> dangit, not it matches, but it did not before

02:40 <zombie67> now

02:40 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:41 <zombie67> hi yoyo

02:41 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo

02:41 <zombie67> wan't me to break it again?

02:41 <zombie67> want

02:41 <Tank_Master> ?

02:41 <Tank_Master> break what?

02:41 <zombie67> ;)

02:42 <zombie67> yoyo@home

02:43 <yoyo[RKN]> no, I did the break

02:43 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:43 <Tank_Master> hahah

02:45 <zombie67> coincidence I IM'd him about the same time

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02:45 <zombie67> so, how do I rejoin the team server?

02:47 <zombie67> &joyoftech

02:47 <Romulus> I don't have a clue, zombie67.

02:47 <zombie67> http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/index.html

02:47 <Romulus> Title: The Joy of Tech comic... laughter is the best tech support. (at www.joyoftech.com)

02:47 <zombie67> http://nodwick.humor.gamespy.com/ffn/index.php

02:48 <Romulus> Title: Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams (at nodwick.humor.gamespy.com)

02:50 <zombie67> I need a (free) app that will use all 8 processors on my leopard mac at 100%.

02:52 <Tank_Master> BOINC?

02:52 <Romulus> I guess BOINC is all perfect and stuff, Tank_Master

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02:53 <zombie67> BOINC ain't getting the job done.  Need another app to prove it that it is not the machine or the OS

02:53 <Tank_Master> windows?

02:54 <Tank_Master> would tell you if its the compor not

02:54 <zombie67> but then I would need to install Windows, then, BOINC, then...

02:54 <zombie67> guh

02:54 <Tank_Master> wus

02:54 <zombie67> and windows is not free

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02:55 <Tank_Master> you can install it as a trial for free

02:56 <zombie67> and other ways....

02:56 <zombie67> wonder if XP64 ....

02:56 <Tank_Master> should

02:57 <zombie67> still, if i installed it under boot camp, that does not rule out leopard

02:57 <zombie67> or the mac osx client

02:57 <Tank_Master> y?

02:57 <zombie67> boinc client

02:57 <Tank_Master> the mac OS isnt running when windows is, is it?

02:57 <zombie67> with boot camp, the machine actually boots windows

02:58 <Tank_Master> thought so

02:58 <zombie67> and even with VMware , it is still BOINC inside windows

02:59 <zombie67> so I want to see a mac application using 100% of all 8 cores

02:59 <Tank_Master> so would I

02:59 <Romulus> still trying to get

02:59 <Tank_Master> it doent matter what the projects are?

03:00 <zombie67> nope.  I have run only one of each

03:00 <zombie67> and anyway, the same projects under tiger

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03:01 <zombie67> so it is either BOINC, or leopard, or both

03:01 <Tank_Master> y not *try* running 3 different projects at once?

03:01 <zombie67> I did that

03:01 <Tank_Master> no differnce?

03:02 <zombie67> first I tried suspending only one project.  each project one at a time

03:02 <zombie67> then I tried running only one project, one at a time

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03:03 <zombie67> 9100 at LHC yesterday

03:04 <Tank_Master> not bad

03:05 <zombie67> after this last batch, I expect to be within 10k of my goal

03:06 <Tank_Master> coo

03:06 <zombie67> that guy who has 900K?

03:06 <Tank_Master> ya?

03:06 <zombie67> he did that before they went down

03:06 <Tank_Master> most, yes

03:06 <zombie67> that means he did that on P3 and P4s

03:06 <zombie67> AWESOME

03:07 <Tank_Master> it was about all he ran

03:07 <zombie67> even so, that means YEARS, or MANY machines

03:08 <Tank_Master> you still cant get into our other room?

03:08 <zombie67> lemme try

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03:09 <Tank_Master> you still have the same IP

03:09 <zombie67> well of course

03:09 <Tank_Master> log int your router and release/renew

03:09 <Romulus> anyone have problems with deadline

03:09 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout

03:09 <zombie67> I don't want to change it

03:09 <Tank_Master> cus of work?

03:10 <zombie67> when remote, i use it to get to my home machines

03:10 <zombie67> the block doesn't time out?

03:10 <Tank_Master> unless you figure out how to contach an admin for the server channel, you wont be able to get to our room

03:10 <Tank_Master> I dont know that

03:10 <zombie67> mother f

03:11 <Tank_Master> yep

03:11 <Tank_Master> rather harsh

03:11 <Tank_Master> one should be able to post links to one's own city in one's own room

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03:17 <zombie67> no way to "release/renew"

03:17 <Tank_Master> there goes the silly wabit!

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03:25 <zombie67> TM, what am I trying to do with my router again?

03:29 <Tank_Master_> change the IP assigned to it

03:31 <zombie67> there is no way to do that

03:31 <Tank_Master_> unless you have a static IP, there should be

03:31 <Tank_Master_> you do that from the router itsself

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03:36 <zombie67> I'm at the router, and there is no way

03:37 <Tank_Master_> hummm

03:37 <Tank_Master_> without knowing what router you have, its hard to say

03:37 <zombie67> I have also cycled power on the cable modem

03:37 <zombie67> no change, even after major power outages

03:38 <zombie67> I am using an Airpot Extreme

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03:38 <zombie67> up

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03:39 <Tank_Master> not fimilier with them

03:39 <zombie67> i don't even know how to ask the question in the apple support forums

03:39 <Tank_Master> why the bloody hell isnt my MAC able to use all 8 threads!???!??!

03:40 <zombie67> not that question

03:41 <zombie67> ;)

03:41 <zombie67> I mean, how do I get back on the seti.usa channel

03:41 <Romulus> I picture a column of buttons on the couch, as I copy files

03:41 <Tank_Master> ahh

03:41 <Tank_Master> wtf?

03:41 <zombie67> that was the primary reason for joining

03:42 <zombie67> if I can't get there....

03:43 <zombie67> brb

03:43 <Tank_Master> seemed like I cam accross last time I got banned what to do if you think its an error

03:43 <Tank_Master> but I didnt get that this time

03:46 <zombie67> back

03:47 <Tank_Master> wb

03:48 <zombie67> is this similar to "renew lease"?

03:48 <Tank_Master> yes

03:49 <zombie67> uh oh:  http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6435589&#6435589

03:49 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WZX> (at discussions.apple.com)

03:50 <zombie67> "There is no way that the airport extreme can release it's ip address from the isp and renew with the new one."

03:51 <zombie67> guess I'll never participate with the team irc channel

03:52 <Tank_Master> that doesnt make since

03:54 <zombie67> why not move the irc channel to this server?

03:54 <Tank_Master> we have one here

03:54 <zombie67> AOL is in a seath spiral

03:54 <Tank_Master> but noone uses it

03:54 <zombie67> death

03:54 <zombie67> you have heard the news?

03:54 <zombie67> about aol?

03:54 <Tank_Master> ?

03:54 <Tank_Master> nothing recent

03:55 <zombie67> probably going to spin off ISP from content

03:55 <zombie67> TW will keep content, ditch the rest

03:55 <zombie67> that means IRC

03:56 <zombie67> what is the channel on this server?

03:56 <Tank_Master> same

03:56 <zombie67> someone like earthlink will take the ISP part

03:57 <zombie67> #seti.usa?

03:57 <Tank_Master> #team_seti.usa

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04:43 <frost> hi

04:53 <CoderForLife> hi

04:53 <CoderForLife> how are you today, frost?

04:53 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 31.8F / -0.1C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny and blustery. Morning highs in the mid 20s...then temperatures falling to around 16 this afternoon. West winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 50 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 0 to 5 above. Northwest winds 10 to (1 more message)

04:54 <CoderForLife> &more

04:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph...decreasing to 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Monday - Partly sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 20s. Northeast winds around 5 mph... becoming south in the afternoon.; Wind Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 4:00 PM EST on February 10, 2008;

04:54 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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05:08 <frost> CoderForLife, thanks, i'm still tired from not enough sleep ;)

05:09 <frost> enjoy your meal!

05:09 <CoderForLife> I know the feeling

05:09 * CoderForLife enjoys his breakfast

05:09 <frost> hmm... breakfast would be fine

05:09 <frost> brb ;)

05:09 <CoderForLife> k

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07:09 * CoderForLife finishes his federal and state tax return preparation - hooray

07:37 <CoderForLife> &seen quail

07:37 <Romulus> CoderForLife: quail was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 5 days, 5 hours, 41 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <quail> U.S. spy satellite expected to crash back to Earth soon >>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080128.wsatellite28/BNStory/International/home

07:38 <CoderForLife> &seen sethy

07:38 <Romulus> CoderForLife: sethy was last seen in #boinc 2 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: * sethy now has ftp

08:04 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

08:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 2F / -17C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.60in / 1036hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Bitterly cold. High zero to 5 above. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the morning. Wind chill readings 15 to 20 below.; Tonight - Partly cloudy early in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Very cold. (1 more message)

08:04 <wdsmia> &more

08:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind near 5 mph shifting to the southeast after midnight.; Monday - Cloudy. Very cold. A slight chance of snow in the morning...then a chance of snow in the afternoon. High around 15. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent. Wind chill readings around 10 below.; Wind Chill Advisory for Polk County in effect until 12:00 PM CST on February 10, 2008;

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08:20 <xcamel> mornin

08:21 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

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08:50 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

08:51 <xcamel> here comes the arctic air and the big winds..

08:52 <wdsmia> yup

08:59 <ELGono> mooo

08:59 <ELGono> had breakfast on balkony ... feels like 18C in the sun

09:00 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

09:00 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 51°F / 10°C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 30.59in / 1036hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:46 F. / 8 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:48 F. / 9 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Clear. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Clear. Low:30 F. / -1 C.;

09:01 <xcamel> & list url last MTughan

09:01 <Romulus> xcamel: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.

09:01 <xcamel> &url last MTughan

09:01 <Romulus> xcamel: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL; If --nolimit is given, returns all the URLs that are found. (1 more message)

09:02 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

09:02 <xcamel> &url last -with png

09:02 <Romulus> xcamel: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL; If --nolimit is given, returns all the URLs that are found. (1 more message)

09:03 <xcamel> &url last --with png

09:03 <Romulus> xcamel: http://home.interlog.com/~kidcare/michaelsprogramming/BOINCMgrMTughan.png

09:03 <xcamel> &url last --with svg

09:03 <Romulus> xcamel: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg/800px-KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg.png

09:03 <ELGono> that looks nice ;)

09:03 <Romulus> I ran make distclean but

09:04 <xcamel> &url last --with BOINC

09:04 <Romulus> xcamel: http://boincstats.com/forum/forum_thread.php?id=2930#29787

09:04 <xcamel> nutz..

09:04 <ELGono> hehe this is my last uploaded

09:04 <ELGono> http://matrix.fem.tu-ilmenau.de/~elgono/pg/?Qwd=./hk680-mod&Qif=ps-circuit.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M

09:04 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1W_i> (at matrix.fem.tu-ilmenau.de)

09:05 <ELGono> think this should work for me

09:05 <ELGono> found another transformer with same VA rating and just 0.3V difference

09:05 <xcamel> ah.. found it.

09:08 <xcamel> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/BOINCMgrVector.png

09:08 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WSI> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

09:09 <xcamel> anyone know how to fade that to 10% using gimp?

09:09 <ELGono> hmm it's png, no vektor graphics file

09:10 <ELGono> image -> scale image

09:10 <xcamel> gimp is great, but not my strong point this morning

09:11 <xcamel> I need it as a 10% saturation (fade) for a web page background

09:12 <ELGono> ahhh

09:12 <xcamel> not enough braincells firing yet..

09:14 <ELGono> &coffee

09:14 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

09:14 <ELGono> this one should do it

09:14 <ELGono> http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-edit-fade.html

09:14 <Romulus> Title: 6.4.  Fade... (at docs.gimp.org)

09:25 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

09:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 0F / -18C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.63in / 1037hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Bitterly cold. High zero to 5 above. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the morning. Wind chill readings 15 to 20 below.; Tonight - Partly cloudy early in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Very (1 more message)

09:25 <wdsmia> &more

09:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: cold. Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind near 5 mph shifting to the southeast after midnight.; Monday - Cloudy. Very cold. A slight chance of snow in the morning...then a chance of snow in the afternoon. High around 15. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent. Wind chill readings around 10 below.; Wind Chill Advisory for Polk County in effect until 12:00 PM CST on February 10, 2008;

09:25 <xcamel> selection is grayed out..

09:25 <wdsmia> getting colder :(

09:25 <xcamel> :-(

09:29 <xcamel> eeek... that's getting seriously cold..

09:29 <xcamel> you can keep it..

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09:53 <xcamel> &weather 12074

09:53 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 30.6F / -0.8C | Humidity: 97% | Pressure: 29.53in / 999.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Snow showers this morning...then a chance of snow showers this afternoon. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Windy with highs in the mid 30s. Temperature falling into the upper 20s this afternoon. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with (2 more messages)

09:53 <xcamel> &more

09:53 <Romulus> xcamel: gusts up to 25 mph... increasing to west 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 50 mph this afternoon. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow showers after midnight. Blustery with lows around 10 above. West winds around 25 mph. Gusts up to 50 mph...decreasing to 40 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny and blustery. Colder with highs in the mid 20s. (1 more message)

09:53 <xcamel> &more

09:53 <Romulus> xcamel: West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph.; Wind Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 AM EST on February 11, 2008;

09:53 <xcamel> keeeeeripes...

10:09 <wdsmia> better stake down the livestock so they dont blow away

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10:11 <wdsmia> Jay your cams offline?

10:20 <CoderForLife> morning boinkkenvolks

10:21 <CoderForLife> winds are increasing

10:22 <PovAddict> maybe that's what affected Jay's cams?

10:25 <CoderForLife> could be

10:25 <CoderForLife> my trees are rocking back and forth in fairly wet ground

10:26 <Tank_Master> so?

10:26 <Romulus> hmm... so is iStat, Tank_Master

10:26 <Tank_Master> you say that like its not a normal thing

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10:31 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

10:32 <Tank_Master> &more

10:32 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 48.0F / 8.9C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Showers likely in the morning...then a chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs around 50. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows around 40. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph (1 more message)

10:32 <Romulus> Tank_Master: becoming light after midnight.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain in the morning. Highs 50 to 55. Light wind.;

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10:35 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

10:35 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 29.5F / -1.4C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 23.77in / 804.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs 50 to 56. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 17 to 23. Light winds.; Monday - Partly cloudy. Highs 48 to 54. Light winds.;

10:54 <CoderForLife> cut me some slack, Tank_Master

10:54 <Romulus> I worked for him, but I'm not sure why they call them bunnies?

11:03 <PovAddict> lol

11:04 * Tank_Master pulls off some slack from the shelf to cut up for CoderForLife

11:04 <CoderForLife> good

11:05 <CoderForLife> bbl

11:11 <wdsmia> well time to clean the feathers out of the fans on this box bbl

11:11 <PovAddict> lol

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11:41 <xcamel> re-hi

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11:42 <xcamel> cams are up...

11:43 <xcamel> just plowing the driveway in a friggin whiurout..

11:43 <xcamel> er white-out even

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11:45 <xcamel> 'lo glenn

11:45 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

11:45 <wdsmia> *lo Glenn

11:46 <xcamel> get ready for the winds out there on the island...

11:46 <Rookie_69> *lo, Doug.

11:46 <Rookie_69> Not "quite"an island here...

11:48 <xcamel> close enough for government work..

11:48 <Rookie_69> Tell that to the marsh that joins us to New Brunswick.

11:48 <Rookie_69> Lol.

11:48 <Romulus> but it does but that would kill me for pasting, but follow my logic on this...

11:49 <Rookie_69> (Tantramar Marsh)

11:51 <Rookie_69> It's damp out... I can hear the ~30,000 volts dancing on the pole out front.

11:52 <xcamel> gale force winds on the way was the point...

11:54 <Rookie_69> Not here yet. I wonder if it will come with snow?

11:55 <xcamel> lol - "dancing voltage" is never good...

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11:56 <Snake> Morning

11:57 <xcamel> 'lo Snake

11:58 <Snake> Has anyone run accross remote client connect problems with BOINC and Fedora 7. I had no problems with Ubuntu.

11:59 <xcamel> running on fc7, but never tried the 'remote client' option..

11:59 <KathrynM> what versions of BOINC?

11:59 <Snake> umm

11:59 <Snake> 5.10.28

11:59 <KathrynM> I just did this battle :)

11:59 <Snake> Really

11:59 <Snake> ?

11:59 <KathrynM> both boxes running that version?

12:00 <Snake> 3 boxes wINDOWS AND ONE lINUX

12:00 <Snake> oops

12:00 <Rookie_69> Lol.

12:00 <PovAddict> &bw GuiRpcAuth

12:00 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/GuiRpcAuth

12:00 <PovAddict> err

12:00 <PovAddict> &bw RpcAuth

12:00 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/RpcAuth

12:00 <PovAddict> that's the one

12:01 <KathrynM> all boxes on the same version?

12:01 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:58:52)

12:01 <Snake> All the latest. I have both the GuiAuth and remote_hosts configed right

12:01 <KathrynM> latest = ?

12:02 <Snake> 5.10.30 on the windows boxes

12:02 <xcamel> remote_gui_rpc_auth ??

12:02 <MTughan> Oh... xcamel: I have another one for you...

12:02 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/boinc-bg.png

12:02 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WY7> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

12:02 <KathrynM> Nuts.  Well, that should work.

12:02 <xcamel> looking...

12:02 <PovAddict> Snake: what exactly doesn't work? does it say password is wrong or what?

12:02 <MTughan> Sized down to 512x512 and 30% alpha.

12:03 <KathrynM> I had problems when they changed the curl version in 5.10.40

12:03 <Snake> It says there is no client to connect to

12:03 <PovAddict> firewall?

12:03 <Snake> Seems like a remote_hosts.cfg problem

12:03 <MTughan> SELinux and firewall, yeah.

12:03 <Snake> Firewall is turned off

12:03 <KathrynM> And as it's 2am...  I'll leave you in PovAddict capable hands

12:03 <MTughan> I had the same problem connecting to my Fedora 7 system.

12:03 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

12:03 <Romulus> but they run 'sports' workunits, it can but its easy enough to run.

12:03 <Snake> When I do a port scan I don't see an open port for it

12:04 <PovAddict> should be 31416

12:04 <Snake> Right

12:04 <MTughan> There are two files you have to set: gui_rpc_auth.cfg and remost_hosts.cfg, then the core client has to be restarted.

12:04 <xcamel> I guess I need to change the link text color..

12:04 <xcamel> but it looks good..

12:04 <Snake> MTughan, both files are there

12:04 <Snake> And configed correctly

12:05 <MTughan> Did you restart the core client?

12:05 <Snake> Yes, even rebooed the machine

12:05 <Snake> rebooted

12:05 <MTughan> Is SELinux on?

12:05 <Snake> No, SELinux is disabled

12:05 <PovAddict> hmm let's go thru this again

12:05 <MTughan> Try opening up the port in the firewall, even if it says it's disabled.

12:06 <PovAddict> you're trying to connect a manager on Linux to a client also on Linux?

12:06 <MTughan> Yay, Growl's up...

12:06 <Snake> I'm trying to connect a manager as well as boincview on a windows box to a clinet on a linux box

12:07 <PovAddict> xcamel: try this:

12:07 <PovAddict> background: url(boinc-bg.png) no-repeat fixed center;

12:07 <Snake> I can't open a port when the firewall is disabled

12:08 <MTughan> Maybe it refuses all incoming connections with the firewall off... Although that's hardly standard.

12:08 <Snake> But it sure feels like the port is either being blocked or the client isn't opening a port

12:08 <MTughan> I'd bet more on the port being blocked...

12:08 <Snake> The only other port I have open shows up on a port scan

12:09 <MTughan> Hmm, so it's not declining incoming connections...

12:09 <PovAddict> Snake: try this on the Linux machine itself: nc -vv 127.0.0.1 31416

12:09 <PovAddict> (on a console)

12:09 <Snake> ok

12:09 <MTughan> It connects?

12:10 <PovAddict> if it says "open", then it connected

12:10 <PovAddict> if it says "connection refused", "timeout", or something like that... it didn't :)

12:10 <Snake> It connects

12:10 <MTughan> So the core client is opening the port...

12:10 <PovAddict> it's just inaccessible from other machines...

12:11 <PovAddict> do "ls *.cfg" on your BOINC directory

12:11 <Snake> hmm, then maybe I should reenable the firewall and open the port?

12:12 <MTughan> ls *.cfg gets me:

12:12 <MTughan> gui_rpc_auth.cfg  remote_hosts.cfg

12:12 <MTughan> As it should be.

12:12 <Snake> Me too

12:12 <PovAddict> you sure remote_hosts.cfg has the correct name? :)

12:13 <Snake> I have the IP addy of the remote machine in the remote_hosts.cfg as well as the FQDN

12:14 <PovAddict> the local IP right?

12:14 <Snake> Yes

12:14 <MTughan> If that file's there, the port should still be open...

12:14 <MTughan> I'd say reenable the firewall and add the port myself.

12:14 <Snake> Weird

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12:15 <MTughan> I'm not seeing anything else different in the setups of our machines.

12:15 <MTughan> Even the versions are the same, 5.10.28.

12:15 <PovAddict> Snake: ok, trying to track it down from Windows is tricky due to lack of tools so... try adding the IP of another Linux machine on your remote_hosts.cfg (and restart the client), then get a console on that other linux machine

12:15 <xcamel> there.. fixed it..

12:15 <xcamel> text color better now..

12:15 <Snake> I only have the one linux box

12:15 <PovAddict> ah

12:15 <PovAddict> hmm

12:16 <MTughan> xcamel: Nice, I like it.

12:16 <Snake> I have an idea, brb

12:16 <CoderForLife> back for a bit

12:16 <PovAddict> xcamel: tried my CSS modification?

12:16 <MTughan> 'lo CoderForLife

12:16 <Romulus> Ah, so you dont care really

12:16 <MTughan> &stfu

12:16 * Romulus shuts up (fingers crossed)

12:16 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.

12:17 <CoderForLife> hello MTughan xcamel PovAddict Snake Rookie_69

12:18 <CoderForLife> and KathrynM of the Alternate Reality

12:18 <MTughan> lol

12:23 <xcamel> 'lo Don

12:24 <Snake> Got it

12:24 <xcamel> fyi - version 2.0 of the "Oreo cool mint" cookies are much improved.

12:24 <MTughan> Snake: What was it?

12:24 <Snake> I had SELinux disabled but not the firewall

12:25 <MTughan> Ah, so the port was being blocked.

12:25 * Snake is a linuxN00b

12:25 <Snake> Yes

12:25 <MTughan> lol, we all start out that way.

12:25 <Snake> :)

12:25 <xcamel> indeed.... indeed...

12:25 <MTughan> How do you think we got to being able to do what we're able to do without screwing up a few times?

12:26 <Snake> I understand that for sure

12:26 <Snake> Fedora has a bit more security than Ubuntu desktop

12:26 <MTughan> Anyway, problem fixed. Have fun crunching!

12:26 <xcamel> but once you learn *nix... you'll never go back to the 'dark side'

12:27 <Snake> lol

12:27 <MTughan> Fedora's based on Red Hat (actually, Red Hat's based on Fedora), so it's a more enterprise desktop.

12:27 <Snake> I don't know, all my money is made from Micro$oft products

12:27 <PovAddict> I'll switch when I have the time to deal with migration

12:27 <PovAddict> Snake: do you work removing trojans from noobs' computers? :)

12:27 <Snake> Of course

12:27 <Snake> lol

12:28 <PovAddict> wow I actually guessed it?

12:28 <Snake> SOme of the Anti-virus software is worse than the viruses themselves sometimes

12:29 * Snake is away. BRB

12:30 <PovAddict> eek

12:30 <PovAddict> MTughan: http://www.opengl.org/sdk/docs/man/xhtml/glTexImage2D.xml look at the list of allowed values for internalFormat

12:30 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WbM> (at www.opengl.org)

12:30 <MTughan> Says I need MathML...

12:30 <PovAddict> yeah ignore that

12:30 <xcamel> someone look at the boinc_logs page ant tell me if it's too hideous..

12:31 <Romulus> sorry for my maint person down in Adelaide

12:31 <PovAddict> xcamel: tried my CSS modification?

12:31 <PovAddict> background: url(boinc-bg.png) no-repeat fixed center;

12:31 <MTughan> Okay... What are all the formats used for?

12:32 <PovAddict> I gotta figure out which of those is the one I need...

12:32 <xcamel> in the css?

12:32 <PovAddict> yes, *instead* of your current background-image property

12:32 <MTughan> I mean, look at all the RGBA formats! GL_RGBA, GL_RGBA2, GL_RGBA4, GL_RGB5_A1, GL_RGBA8, GL_RGB10_A2, GL_RGBA12, and GL_RGBA16!

12:33 <PovAddict> in the current way, scrolling is annoying... all those logos moving >.<

12:33 <Snake> One thing I have noticed is that when I had that same machine running Windows Server 2003 it crunched faster than either Ubunto or Fedora

12:33 <MTughan> Snake: That could be the project apps too.

12:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: and guess what, I need RGBA... which of those, I don't know

12:33 <xcamel> inside the curly braces?

12:33 <MTughan> lol, I chose the right set...

12:33 <PovAddict> xcamel: yes

12:33 <Snake> MT, could be

12:33 <MTughan> In fact, it probably is. Project apps do the actual crunching.

12:34 <Snake> I would thing that the Linux apps would be more efficient given the gearheads that run it

12:34 <MTughan> It's more likely that the Linux versions for x86 aren't compiled with many optimizations at all, as they're supposed to support rather old versions of Linux.

12:35 <PovAddict> xcamel: try scrolling now

12:35 <MTughan> If you can get the application source though, and you're handy with GCC, you can optimize your own apps.

12:35 <MTughan> PovAddict, xcamel: That's cool...

12:36 <Snake> MT, last thing I programmed was Turbo Pascal 20 years ago

12:36 <Snake> lol

12:36 <MTughan> lol, nice... BOINC's in C++.

12:36 <PovAddict> Snake: you don't need to be a programmer to compile things from source

12:36 <MTughan> PovAddict: But to add your own optimizations?

12:36 <MTughan> At least GCC flags.

12:36 <PovAddict> -O2 and be done with it XD

12:36 <MTughan> No SSEx?

12:36 <Snake> I can compile it on my machine like I do Eggdrops?

12:36 <PovAddict> well, and that yeah

12:37 <PovAddict> make it use all the fancy things your CPU has

12:37 <CoderForLife> Ok away again

12:37 <MTughan> Snake: Eggdrops uses the ./configure and make method?

12:37 <MTughan> Bye CFL.

12:37 <xcamel> sweet..

12:37 <Snake> MT, yup

12:37 <xcamel> now it looks better..

12:37 <MTughan> So yeah, you can compile it.

12:37 <MTughan> What processor do you have?

12:38 <PovAddict> well depends what project(s)

12:38 <Snake> But I wonder if it would be worth it on that machine. It's an old dual processor PIII machine

12:38 <Snake> 1gz

12:38 <MTughan> Oh, so not much in terms of opts...

12:38 <PovAddict> if the "stock app" has no optimizations at all, you can do something

12:38 <Snake> If I had it running on this machine it would make more sense

12:40 <PovAddict> SSE (1) and MMX are available on PIII

12:40 <MTughan> So I read... What does MMX do though?

12:40 <PovAddict> and it looks like the PIII has a strange implementation of SSE... works, but it's slower in some way; maybe gcc can do the optimization in the right way for PIII

12:41 <PovAddict> "Programmers faced a code-scheduling dilemma: Should the SSE-code be tuned for Katmai's limited execution resources, or should it be tuned for a future processor with more resources? Katmai-specific SSE optimizations yielded the best possible performance from the Pentium III family, but was suboptimal for later Intel processors, such as the Pentium 4 and Core."

12:41 <MTughan> Wikipedia.

12:41 <MTughan> I just read that a few seconds ago... :P

12:42 <[RKN]frost> attention everyone! there will be a race at world community grid from march 1st to march 23rd. inform your team captains and pimp your cpus :)

12:42 <[RKN]frost> http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=18384&lastpage=yes

12:42 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WbS> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

12:42 <PovAddict> really depends on which it has... Snake: any idea which of the PIII cores you have?

12:42 <Snake> copermine

12:42 <Snake> coppermine even

12:42 <Snake> If that answers your question

12:43 <MTughan> So it does support SSE...

12:43 <PovAddict> so it does support SSE, and maybe even "properly" :)

12:43 <MTughan> Well, your problem now... Lunch time.

12:43 <Snake> Which means?

12:45 <Snake> If I understand what you have posted previously the clinet shouls allready be optomized for the PIII, right?

12:45 <PovAddict> not really

12:45 <PovAddict> and depends what project too

12:45 <Snake> No?

12:45 <Snake> seti@home

12:46 <PovAddict> maybe they are, I can't tell :)

12:46 <PovAddict> well good news: lots of 3rd party optimized apps on seti, and relatively easy to compile from source

12:46 <Romulus> so, I deleted the whole point of having the My Account link at the airport now. bbl

12:46 <Snake> hmm

12:49 <PovAddict> do you have a 2.6 kernel?

12:49 <Snake> Is BoincView the best app to monitor all my machines from a single computer do you think?

12:49 <PovAddict> I never tried it

12:49 <Snake> Yes, 2.6.?

12:50 <Snake> k

12:50 <PovAddict> http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;sa=dlview;id=111

12:50 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WbW> (at lunatics.kwsn.net)

12:50 <Snake> What's that

12:50 <Snake> ?

12:51 <PovAddict> SETI app, for processors with SSE

12:52 <PovAddict> here are some more http://calbe.dw70.de/linux32.html

12:52 <Romulus> Title: Crunch3rs BOINC page (at calbe.dw70.de)

12:52 <Snake> No graphics. Does that mean the X clientmgr won't work?

12:52 <PovAddict> no, it means you won't have this -> http://calbe.dw70.de/pics/classic.jpg

12:52 <PovAddict> the manager will sure work

12:53 <Snake> i see

12:58 <Snake> huh? it looks like Ubuntu processed a bit faster than fedora as well

12:59 <PovAddict> note some workunits may take longer than others

12:59 <PovAddict> so don't do speed comparisons only with one workunit on each :)

12:59 <Snake> I was looking at the floating point and integer speeds

13:00 <Snake> It was close between the 2 linux versions but significantly faster when it was running windows

13:01 <PovAddict> boinc benchmarks are far from perfect

13:01 <Snake> I suppose, but a 25% difference is quite a bit

13:02 <yoyo[RKN]> re

13:02 <yoyo[RKN]> be invited http://www.boincteams.com/viewtopic.php?t=345

13:06 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

13:06 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 2F / -17C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 30.69in / 1039hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. Bitterly cold. High zero to 5 above. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph. Wind chill readings 15 to 20 below.; Tonight - Partly cloudy early in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Very cold. Low zero to 5 below. North (1 more message)

13:06 <wdsmia> &more

13:06 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind near 10 mph shifting to the southeast after midnight.; Monday - Cloudy. Very cold. A slight chance of snow in the morning...then a chance of snow in the afternoon. High around 15. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent. Wind chill readings around 10 below.;

13:07 <Snake> Rom, heat wave

13:07 <Snake> Here it's -6 f now :P

13:08 <Snake> I detest this lack of degrees

13:08 <wdsmia> sunny day its warming up

13:08 <Snake> What ever happened to global warming anyway?

13:09 <Snake> I suppose they changed their mind again and it's back to ice age time

13:10 <Snake> Well, thanks for your help guys

13:11 <Snake> See y';all later

13:11 <wdsmia> cya

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13:12 <BiteAbleKat> yayyyyyy

13:12 <BiteAbleKat> im on my new laptop!

13:12 <PovAddict> :)

13:12 <BiteAbleKat> my brother sent it for my birthday yesterday

13:13 <Rookie_69> Horray!

13:13 <BiteAbleKat> he bought me an alienware area 51

13:13 <FreeLarry58> watchout for the teeth BiteAbleKat

13:14 <BiteAbleKat> hehe

13:15 <BiteAbleKat> i really like it

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13:15 <Romulus> is back to playing PopIt. Apparently I'm a figament of my questions about security...

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13:38 <xcamel> well that was phun

13:47 <Rookie_69> ... Wading through drifts?

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13:52 <Rookie_69> http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2008/02/10/fire_sweeps_through_londons_camden_market/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Latest+news

13:52 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Wc9> (at www.boston.com)

13:52 <xcamel> working the groomer with my new modifications... still needs some adjustments...

13:53 <xcamel> I saw the pics of the camden fire last night - nasty.

13:53 <Rookie_69> Does Camden lock fire mean no more episodes of Hyperdrive???

13:53 <Rookie_69> Lol.

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14:10 <xcamel> needs to reboots..

14:10 <xcamel> bbiab

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14:10 <Rookie_69> ... and speaks english goodly too.

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14:25 <Rookie_69> Boots are all Re'ed?

14:28 <xcamel> all done

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14:31 <Rookie_69> Larry the Wavecable Guy!

14:36 <xcamel> snailmail guy, I think..

14:44 <Rookie_69> Absentee Guy maybe.

14:46 <xcamel> strange pattern..

14:46 <xcamel> http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/boinc-current.png

14:46 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1T07> (at lledgerock.com)

14:47 <Rookie_69> &weather yhz

14:47 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 3:37 PM AST; Today - Wet snow at times mixed with freezing drizzle changing to rain mixed with wet snow this afternoon. Fog patches. Wind southeast 20 km/h (12 mph). High 2C(36F).; Tonight - Rain changing to flurries this evening. (2 more messages)

14:47 <Rookie_69> &more

14:47 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Snowfall amount 2 to 4 cm(0.8 to 1.6 in). Fog patches dissipating this evening. Wind southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming southwest 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 60 km/h (37 mph) this evening. Low -5C(23F).; Monday - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries in the morning. Flurries beginning early in the afternoon. Local amount 2 cm(0.8 in). Local blowing snow. Wind west 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 70 (1 more message)

14:47 <Rookie_69> &more

14:47 <Romulus> Rookie_69: km/h (43 mph). Temperature steady near -4C(24F).;

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14:49 <Rookie_69> &weather yyz

14:49 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 9°F / -13°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Low Drifting Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 32mph / 52km/h | Updated: 2:25 PM EST; Today - Cloudy with sunny periods and 60 percent chance of flurries. Local blowing snow. Wind west 50 km/h (31 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph). Temperature falling to -12C(10F) by evening.; Tonight - Cloudy periods. (1 more message)

14:49 <Rookie_69> &more

14:49 <Romulus> Rookie_69: 30 percent chance of flurries. Local blowing snow early this evening. Wind west 50 km/h (31 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph) diminishing to 30 km/h (19 mph) overnight. Low -16C(3F). Wind chill -29.; Monday - A mix of sun and cloud. Clearing late in the day. Wind west 30 km/h (19 mph). High -7C(19F). Wind chill -25.;

14:49 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

14:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 1F / -17C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.68in / 1039hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. Bitterly cold. High zero to 5 above. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph. Wind chill readings around 15 below.; Tonight - Partly cloudy early in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Very cold. Low zero to 5 below. (1 more message)

14:50 <wdsmia> &more

14:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: North wind near 10 mph shifting to the southeast after midnight.; Monday - Cloudy. Very cold. A slight chance of snow in the morning...then a chance of snow in the afternoon. High around 15. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent. Wind chill readings around 10 below.;

14:53 * wdsmia checks the weather rock

14:53 <Rookie_69> Is it white?

14:54 <wdsmia> cant tell buryed in ice

14:55 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Vague predictions then...

14:55 <wdsmia> not vague just cold

14:56 <Rookie_69> Lol.

14:57 <Rookie_69> White rock = snow.

14:58 <Rookie_69> Wet rock = rain.

14:58 <Rookie_69> Swinging rock = windy.

14:58 <Rookie_69> Missing rock = Tornado?

14:58 <wdsmia> yep

15:00 <wdsmia> Brown rock Gregors been there

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15:03 <CoderOnTheCouch> &seen quail

15:03 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: quail was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 6 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <quail> U.S. spy satellite expected to crash back to Earth soon >>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080128.wsatellite28/BNStory/International/home

15:03 <CoderOnTheCouch> anyone know any status on quail?

15:05 <wdsmia> nope, hope he's ok

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15:06 <CoderOnTheCouch> he had been sick

15:06 * Rookie_69 thinks it must be difficult to Code from the cough...

15:07 <Rookie_69> ... couch...

15:07 * CoderOnTheCouch coughs

15:07 <Rookie_69> Lol.

15:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> I cough and the Code comes out

15:07 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.

15:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> hello Glenn of the North

15:08 <Rookie_69> ... mostly East...

15:09 <CoderOnTheCouch> Glenn of the North But Mostly East

15:11 <Rookie_69> That's me.

15:12 <CoderOnTheCouch> GOTNBME

15:12 <xcamel> wow that wind is cranking

15:13 <CoderOnTheCouch> ours has slowed down a bunch

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15:14 <CoderOnTheCouch> I might rise building a fire in the fireplace in a bit.  When I was young, my dad built a fire that the wind sucked up through the chimney - unphun.

15:14 <CoderOnTheCouch> rise=risk

15:14 <Rookie_69> Ours is apparently yet to come.

15:14 <PovAddict> sucked up thru chimney??

15:15 <CoderOnTheCouch> yup - we had a chimney fire going

15:15 <PovAddict> that sounds like one hell of a storm

15:15 <xcamel> gusting 40-50 and total whiteouts

15:15 <Romulus> just wait until you upgrade your server went down

15:15 <CoderOnTheCouch> wow xcamel

15:15 <PovAddict> xcamel what had happened to your cameras?

15:16 <xcamel> bandwith issue - all fixed

15:18 <xcamel> my son loves to bury the system..

15:25 <CoderOnTheCouch> with snow? =)

15:25 <xcamel> lol

15:25 <Rookie_69> Auxillary cooling?

15:26 <xcamel> online gaming and internet radio streams...

15:27 <Rookie_69> Oh. Axillary heating.

15:27 <xcamel> yupper..

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15:31 <Rookie_69> BBS...

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15:41 <xcamel> oopsie..

15:41 <wdsmia> hate it when that happends

15:42 <xcamel> uh-huh

15:42 <xcamel> OpenGL lockup..

15:43 <wdsmia> remind me again why *nix is better than M$

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15:44 <Tank_Master> cus you can lock up that much faster and for free?

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15:45 <wdsmia> lol

15:45 <Tank_Master> and you also can work for housr compiling the OS and spend another day trying to get the nic drivers to take

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15:48 <Rookie_69> Back where I started from...

15:48 <Tank_Master> nice to be back home?

15:49 <Rookie_69> Things here are slow and steady instead of just slow.

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16:02 <xcamel> Nic is having a failure to launch problem

16:02 <wdsmia> try viagra

16:03 <xcamel> or go "see alice" - gives you 36 hours..

16:03 <PovAddict> ...

16:03 <Tank_Master> or stop using virgens

16:03 <Tank_Master> and go with mo experenced huckers

16:04 <Rookie_69> Alice... Alice... Who the fsk is Alice?

16:05 <xcamel> lol

16:06 <efc> You can get anything you want from Alice's restaurant.

16:07 <Rookie_69> Arlo Guthrie.

16:07 <xcamel> ho - ho - ho in da boot...

16:07 * efc moves to the other side of the bench to get away from the litterers and Rookie_69

16:09 <xcamel> don't forget the 28 8x10 color glossies with the circles and the arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one to  be used as evidence against us...

16:09 <Rookie_69> My vam aint no VW!!!

16:09 <Rookie_69> ...van...

16:09 <xcamel> make that 27

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16:11 <xcamel> and he said..."Kid....

16:12 * efc considers buying a dual Slot-1 motherboard.. I don't know why..

16:12 <xcamel> $3.25 ?

16:12 <efc> $25 all total

16:13 <efc> 10 years ago I bought a Tyan Tiger-2 dual slot 1. It burned up (my fault) before I ever got the dual going. But I've never forgotten the dream!

16:14 <wdsmia> I have a dream

16:14 * CoderOnTheCouch wonders what happened to #boinc

16:14 <efc> P2's are gas guzzlers from what I remember

16:14 <CoderOnTheCouch> I leave for a moment to order pizza...

16:15 <efc> Excellent COTC, I see you are expanding your system too

16:15 * CoderOnTheCouch looks quizzically at efc

16:15 <Rookie_69> I'll take a small slice... if it'll fit in the drive bay.

16:15 <efc> my dual P2-266 would be slower than the p3-600 which is also sitting here waiting for a motherboard, or the P3-866's I could get in nearly unlimited quantity for $3

16:16 <CoderOnTheCouch> you can have a slice, you'll have to come here

16:16 <Rookie_69> Cin-cin city here I come.

16:16 <CoderOnTheCouch> lol

16:17 <Rookie_69> I'll see you in a week or so.

16:17 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'll save a slice

16:17 <efc> Later Rookie

16:17 <Rookie_69> Moo.

16:17 * efc hates having unused CPUs sitting around no matter how slow..

16:17 * CoderOnTheCouch nods in agreement with efc

16:18 <CoderOnTheCouch> I have a PII with 128MB RAM keeping the S@H candle burning

16:18 <Romulus> because the sockets are the same, and I'm just trying to read it a credit bonus w/o any checkpointing.

16:19 <CoderOnTheCouch> a very small candle, I might add

16:19 <efc> The P2s I liked, they are nice and sturdy in that cartridge

16:19 <efc> power hungry, if I remember right

16:19 <CoderOnTheCouch> that's my one ubuntu box

16:20 <CoderOnTheCouch> what I really want now is a dual quad core

16:20 <efc> Yeah yeah!

16:21 <CoderOnTheCouch> something strangely satisfying about the thought of 8 peas in one pod

16:21 <efc> You can pick up Xeon MBs cheap occasionally - like I saw a dual Xeon 2.8 for $75 recently (cpus included) - but usually require weirdo registered RAM

16:21 <xcamel> shoot the whole budget and go for a 4 way quad..

16:22 <CoderOnTheCouch> you're right, xcamel - should throw all caution to the wind and grab for the brass ring

16:23 <efc> (http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=808 if you were interested in that.. not sure if you could chunk those xeon's and get multicore versions)

16:23 <Romulus> Title: STARMICRO INC. - Detail (at www.starmicro.net)

16:23 <CoderOnTheCouch> Hillary's campaign manager has resigned

16:23 <CoderOnTheCouch> totally off topic

16:23 <CoderOnTheCouch> sorry

16:23 <efc> When is she resigning

16:24 <CoderOnTheCouch> my main server is 2 Xeons hyperthreading

16:24 <CoderOnTheCouch> you can't resign from a job you'll never get

16:25 <efc> I've always turned HT off.. figure splitting the caches can't help anything

16:25 * CoderOnTheCouch waits for the pizza person to show up

16:26 <CoderOnTheCouch> HT was the reason I went with Xeons way back when

16:26 <efc> turned it on a few times to see the nice two graphs in Task Manager

16:26 <efc> If you have lots of IO-blocked tasks I guess it helps some

16:27 <CoderOnTheCouch> ah doorbell

16:27 <efc> But BOINC (S@H at least) is probably maxing out the L2 cache and splitting just makes it worse

16:27 <CoderOnTheCouch> pizza - bbiab

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16:28 <PovAddict> efc: if you have lots of I/O blocked tasks, you just start more processes, I don't see why HT is needed for that

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16:29 <PovAddict> one task blocks, the OS gives CPU to the other...

16:29 <PovAddict> all HT gives me is misleading % usage meters

16:29 <efc> It provides a fast context-switch, I think

16:30 <efc> its basically just an accelerated context switcher, similar to what SPARCs have. I think. I never heard what I'd consider a straight explanation of it.

16:30 <efc> SPARCs have multiple hardware contexts, I assume to support a large quantity of blocked tasks like you might see on a multiuser or server system.

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16:31 <xcamel> tyan has a quad-quad

16:31 <xcamel> n3600QE

16:31 <efc> Sweet... this will be on mastercard

16:34 <efc> I hated when they took SMP support out of all the non-Xeons.. step backwards

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16:40 <CoderOnTheCouch> ack

16:40 <CoderOnTheCouch> er back

16:41 * CoderOnTheCouch looks up the n3600QE

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16:43 <CoderOnTheCouch> hmm

16:44 <efc> Still putting that crappy ATI Rage XL on there I see..

16:44 <CoderOnTheCouch> $653.37

16:44 <efc> oh no, XGI Volari Z7 (XG20), whatever that is

16:44 <PovAddict> lol

16:44 <PovAddict> "Using the DOM, or in the markup, it is sometimes possible for authors to violate these expectations and place elements in    unexpected places. Authors must not do this. User agent implementors may curse authors who violate these rules, and may persecute them to the full extent allowed by applicable international law."

16:46 * CoderOnTheCouch nods vigorously

16:47 <PovAddict> source: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#handling

16:47 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1WdC> (at www.whatwg.org)

16:47 * Rookie_69 nods ambiguously/

16:47 <efc> the quad-supporting Athlons are pretty expensive

16:48 <efc> err Opterons

16:48 <CoderOnTheCouch> looks like that would become a pretty pricey system

16:48 <efc> Probably the same thing as the singles

16:49 <efc> the multi-socket thing just became a way to milk more $$ out of businesses

16:50 <efc> They keep it just about at the point where you could build X single CPU systems for the same amount

16:51 <CoderOnTheCouch> ah well

16:51 * CoderOnTheCouch works on his Code for fun and profit

16:53 <efc> Want to write 50k lines of VHDL for me?

16:53 <PovAddict> how much are you payin' for it?

16:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm busying Cranking out a few thousand lines of PHP

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16:55 <efc> Its the afterlife compensation plan. You are payed nothing now, but will be heavily compensated in the Afterlife.

16:56 <CoderOnTheCouch> ah, I need more stars in my crown

16:56 <efc> I'd probably pay $1 or 2k to have it done, but couldn't describe what I wanted to anybody else

16:57 <CoderOnTheCouch> let's see - that nets out to about $0.43 per hour

16:58 <efc> plus afterlife compensation

16:58 <efc> Virgins or Hostess Ding-Dongs, your choice

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16:59 <CoderOnTheCouch> bye Rookie_69

17:00 <CoderOnTheCouch> just don't let the virgins get to the Ding-Dongs

17:00 <efc> I see your point

17:03 * CoderOnTheCouch shakes loose all the virgins so that he can get back to Coding

17:07 <efc> I have one algorithmic roadblock left, that is the Fast Folding Algorithm used by S@H requires too much memory access. Have been trying to rearrange it to improve that.

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17:35 <spawny> hi, I have some files in my hard disk which doesn't appears in the manager, how can I relauch them?

17:36 <PovAddict> ...huh?

17:36 <spawny> sorry, I'm not english

17:37 <spawny> I had a problem on my computer, and boinc manager have lost the link to my past work

17:38 <spawny> How can I reload files in the manager?

17:39 <PovAddict> the manager doesn't do anything, the manager just shows you what the client is doing

17:39 <PovAddict> and you never "load files" into either

17:39 <spawny> so it's the client which lost my work

17:40 <xcamel> back again

17:40 <PovAddict> what are these files you see on your disk?

17:42 <spawny> the manager show me 2 projects, but I have 4 projects in my dir boinc/project

17:42 <PovAddict> hmm that's strange...

17:43 <PovAddict> you mean on the Projects tab of the manager, you see only two rows?

17:44 <spawny> Yes, how can relauch the  two other?

17:45 <PovAddict> you would have to attach again... but I think that wouldn't work correctly if you have the folders on boinc/projects

17:45 <xcamel> is he using linux?

17:45 <PovAddict> CTCP VERSION says he is

17:45 <spawny> I have them, but the client don't reconize them anymore, their doesn't appear oin the manager

17:46 <spawny> xcamel yes

17:46 <PovAddict> spawny: how did you install BOINC?

17:47 <xcamel> betting he lost the projectxx.xml files in the main dir..

17:47 <PovAddict> or entries in client_state...

17:47 <xcamel> you **should** be able to re-attach

17:47 <spawny> by a tutorial on the net, but the program works well until I have this problem in the launch of my computer

17:47 <xcamel> and it would pick them up..

17:48 <PovAddict> spawny: I mean, "apt-get install boinc", a rpm, compiled from source, using binary from boinc.berkeley.edu?

17:48 <PovAddict> or what else...

17:49 <spawny> apt-get

17:49 <xcamel> damn I hate those rpms..

17:50 <xcamel> boinc should all be in one dir - not spread like peanutbutter all over your box

17:50 <PovAddict> spawny: ok, please do this on the console: boinc_cmd --get_state | nc stuff.povaddict.com.ar 5500

17:52 <PovAddict> hmm connected but not getting anything... stupid nc

17:53 <spawny> http://spawntitan.free.fr/screenshot.jpeg

17:53 <PovAddict> hmm you saw those on the list before?

17:54 <spawny> I don't understand

17:54 <PovAddict> maybe those aren't workunits

17:54 <PovAddict> they are temporary files that those two use

17:54 <PovAddict> you shouldn't be looking on CPDN internal files :)

17:55 <spawny> their worked yesterday

17:55 <spawny> cpdn?

17:55 <PovAddict> CPDN = ClimatePrediction.Net

17:55 <PovAddict> so you had them on the manager before?

17:56 <spawny> yes, and in this lauch, the manager tells he can't connect, then he add new rows

17:57 <PovAddict> well, I'm pretty sure you can't get them back...

17:58 <spawny> how can I delete them cleany so?, their's take 600Mo on my hard disk

17:58 <PovAddict> well, are you sure they had those names?

17:59 <xcamel> you can delete dead cdpn wu's any time...

17:59 <spawny> yes, we can see that on the picture

17:59 <xcamel> any one that is not 'in process'

17:59 <PovAddict> then you should be able to just delete those two folders

17:59 <xcamel> cdpn does leave a mess behind..

18:00 <xcamel> a really big mess...

18:00 <PovAddict> xcamel: point is that mess may be useful for them... in some years...

18:00 <PovAddict> some people actually backup all leftover files after each workunit is done...

18:01 <PovAddict> http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/quick_faq.php#Why_is_there_330MB.2F1GB_of_data_left_on_my_disk.3F

18:01 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Wdy> (at climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk)

18:01 <spawny> what a shame, my computer had work more than 1000h on this

18:01 <xcamel> yupper... that it..

18:01 <PovAddict> spawny: well, that's life with climateprediction :)

18:01 <xcamel> one of the reasons after 2MM credits... I dumped them.

18:03 <spawny> I use boinc mainly for lhc@home, but this project don't give much work

18:04 * xcamel loves LHC

18:04 <xcamel> 240K credits there..

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18:07 <spawny> so I stop the client and deleted all the files, in the new lauch, no problem so thank to all of you, and sorry about my bad english

18:07 <xcamel> bad english is welcome here...

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18:08 <xcamel> and your english is waaay better than our french...

18:08 <CoderOnTheCouch> moi aussi

18:08 <CoderOnTheCouch> &weather 45140

18:08 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Temperature: 15.4F / -9.2C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 30.38in / 1028.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 0 to 5 above. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...decreasing to 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph after midnight.; Monday - Partly sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. (2 more messages)

18:09 <CoderOnTheCouch> &more

18:09 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Highs in the lower 20s. West winds around 5 mph... becoming light southeast winds in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Snow likely in the evening...then snow after midnight. Snow may mix with sleet or freezing rain late. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Light ice accumulation. Near steady temperatures in the lower 20s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for (1 more message)

18:09 <CoderOnTheCouch> woah

18:09 <CoderOnTheCouch> first I heard of that

18:09 <CoderOnTheCouch> &more

18:09 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Hamilton County in effect until 7:00 PM EST on February 12, 2008;

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18:34 <xcamel> wow.. temp down to 12 from 38 this morning..

18:35 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

18:35 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 79F / 26C | Humidity: 21% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1017hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 44 to 51. Light winds.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs 76 to 81. Light winds.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 45 to 52. Light winds becoming east 15 mph after midnight.;

18:35 <Soul_keeper> i win

18:36 <Soul_keeper> Temperature*10000 == boinc score

18:38 <xcamel> something in that last update slowed my system down..

18:39 <Romulus> Heh... That's for you

18:43 * KathrynM is back (gone 06:39:26)

18:43 <PovAddict> wb

18:44 <KathrynM> thx

18:44 <KathrynM> I hate Mondays after vacations

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18:49 * xcamel agrees..

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18:53 <xcamel> temp still dropping

18:54 <KathrynM> &weather Ulsan

18:54 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: | Wind Speed: 1mph / 2km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:48 F. / 9 C.; Overcast. Low:33 F. / 1 C.; Overcast. High:46 F. / 8 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Clear. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Clear. Low:22 F. / -5 C.;

19:06 <xcamel> not too bad..

19:06 <xcamel> &weather 12074

19:06 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 12.1F / -11.1C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Areas of blowing snow this evening. A slight chance of snow showers this evening...then a chance of snow showers after midnight. Blustery with lows around 8 above. West winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 45 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

19:06 <xcamel> &more

19:06 <Romulus> xcamel: snow 40 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Brisk with highs in the mid 20s. West winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Cold with lows around 10 above. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Wind Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 AM EST on February 11, 2008;

19:07 <xcamel> looks like some heavy duty lake effect squalls, but not making it this far..

19:07 <Romulus> my big pile of papers to grade :-/

19:16 <Tank_Master> my god washington state is corrupt

19:16 <xcamel> you just figured that out?

19:17 <xcamel> king county vs the rest of the world...

19:17 <Tank_Master> huckelberry (or whatever his name is) was winning to a wide margen in the primary

19:17 <Tank_Master> so they stoped counting the vote so they dont have to declare a winner

19:17 <xcamel> the hukster..

19:18 <xcamel> they stopped the count at 87% or something..

19:20 <Tank_Master> sad

19:21 <Tank_Master> its one thing to stop counting cus one is so ahead theres no way anyone can beat him, but to do so just so you dont want to state the winner?

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19:23 <xcamel> a rat is a rat is a rat..

19:23 <wdsmia> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080210/ts_nm/usa_marines_berkeley_dc;_ylt=AsEJxL0j6PR5WmIP1iAAzbVZ.3QA

19:23 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Weh> (at news.yahoo.com)

19:30 <xcamel> wow - yahoo is slow on that one - berkeley has already backed down on the threat of cut off of all federal funds..

19:30 <Tank_Master> :)

19:30 <Tank_Master> funny hoe a few million can change one's mind

19:32 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

19:40 <xcamel> indeed...

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20:14 <xcamel> down to 9F..

20:15 <wdsmia> must be nice we had a high of 3F today lol

20:15 <Tank_Master> we had a high of 53f

20:16 * wdsmia aims at Tank_Master with snow/ice ball

20:17 <Tank_Master> its to warm here if you ask me

20:17 <efc> &weather 30625

20:17 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 57F / 14C | Humidity: 29% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1023hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Windy. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds 15 to 25 mph decreasing to 10 to 15 mph after midnight.; Monday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. North winds 5 to 10 mph shifting to the east in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. (1 more message)

20:17 <wdsmia> no one asked :P

20:18 <efc> Who wants to fold?

20:18 <Tank_Master> obama

20:43 <CoderForLife> good night, all

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20:56 <xcamel> well... off with me too..

20:59 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

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21:06 <Tank_Master> gn x

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21:52 <PovAddic1> plink 85.190.0.3, he has been portscanning me repeatedly

21:55 <Tank_Master> ban it

21:55 <Tank_Master> or reach out and kill it

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23:46 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

23:46 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 2F / -17C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.59in / 1036hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Cloudy. Very cold. Scattered flurries late in the evening...then a chance of snow after midnight. Low zero to 5 below. Temperature steady or slowly rising after midnight. North wind near 5 mph shifting to the east after midnight. (2 more messages)

23:47 <wdsmia> &more

23:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: Chance of snow 50 percent.; Monday - Cloudy. A chance of snow in the morning...then snow likely in the afternoon. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. High 10 to 15. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent. Wind chill readings 5 to 10 below.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. Snow in the evening...then a chance of snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 (1 more message)

23:47 <wdsmia> &more

23:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: inches. Total snow accumulation 2 to 4 inches. Low 5 to 10 above. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the northeast after midnight. Chance of snow 80 percent.;

23:47 <Tank_Master> mmm, snow

23:47 <Tank_Master> I still want more snow ;)

23:48 <benje> hello

23:48 <Tank_Master> hey

23:49 <benje> how do you do averybody ? ;)

23:49 <benje> everybody

23:50 <Tank_Master> forcefully

23:51 <benje> good Tank_Master but for a Tank this is normal

23:52 <benje> i have a question   about how long the inscription under boincstats.com take to be effective ? and if it's needed to appear in list ?

23:53 <benje> +s-e-'s :D

23:55 <benje> i m talking with spawny which ask question before here

23:56 <Tank_Master> Im not sure what it is your asking

23:57 <benje> do you need to have an account in boincstat to appear in site Tank_Master

23:58 <PovAddict> no

23:58 <Tank_Master> no

23:58 <Tank_Master> lol

23:58 <benje> and how much time this take if you create

23:58 <benje> one

23:58 <Tank_Master> does what take?

23:58 <benje> the inscription

23:58 <Tank_Master> the stats are updated once a day

23:59 <benje> the creation of account

23:59 <Tank_Master> instentanious

23:59 <benje> oki thanks ;)

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