IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-02-11

00:00 <Tank_Master> you man need to activate it my e-mail, but I dont know for sure

00:00 <Tank_Master> by*

00:01 <benje> ;)

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00:05 <benje> an other thing Tank_Master , i have many credit under seti which is always pending since a long time

00:06 <benje> is it normal ?*

00:14 <Tank_Master> yes

00:14 <Tank_Master> for SETI

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00:37 <benje> ok thanks Tank_Master do you know why ?

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00:40 <Tank_Master> its because you are wating for someone else to finish the same WU

00:42 <benje> ;)

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01:10 <MTughan> Have to restart, kernel and WindowServer taking 330MB RAM.

01:11 <efc> Sheesh!

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01:52 <Tank_Master> wb mweltin

01:52 <mweltin> Tank!

01:53 <mweltin> well I'm finally getting around to the GA rewrite.

01:53 <Tank_Master> :P

01:53 <mweltin> and I found out somethign about php that I didn't know.

01:53 <Tank_Master> oh?

01:53 <Romulus> It has been said that oh is it like SocialBorg, Tank_Master

01:53 <Tank_Master> or crap's sage, stfu Romulus

01:54 <Tank_Master> romulus?

01:54 <mweltin> some people on my forum couldn't upload images to their profiles

01:54 <Tank_Master> that fixed now?

01:55 <mweltin> turns out when you build php you have to have --with-jpeg-dir before --with-gd or it will only look for libjpeg in /usr/lib and nowhere else.

01:55 <mweltin> yes I tried it with my profile and it worked.

01:55 <Tank_Master> odd

01:55 <mweltin> not that I like the idea of lots of pic's being loaded but wtf are you gonna do.

01:57 <mweltin> some guy from Georgia tech contacted me.

01:57 <mweltin> wants to talk TSP.

01:57 <Romulus> want me to mess with..

01:57 <mweltin> I think that univeristy has the tsp record

01:57 <mweltin> not sure

01:58 <mweltin> I know I got a lot of TSP info from their site.

02:04 <efc> Tech also did some 4-color map theorem work.. they like computer proof type stuff

02:04 <mweltin> don't we all

02:05 <mweltin> efc you might know about this.  When I first heard about istgw they had an article about cracking some kind of encryption.

02:06 <efc> istgw? Haven't heard of them

02:06 <mweltin> (doesn't matter) essentially they said

02:06 <Romulus> shouldnt BOINC cap the max percent complete an app reports to 100 >_>

02:06 <Tank_Master> no

02:07 <Tank_Master> should bots keep their bits shut?

02:07 <mweltin> the strength of an encryption algorithm (related to hashes)  was how often you got the same hash for different inputs

02:07 <mweltin> Tank_Master, yes

02:07 <efc> That sounds about right, if you can get a hash collision easily, thats bad

02:08 <mweltin> but what they didnt say is, how do you use the collision information to crack the encryption

02:09 <efc> I thought it was like guessing the "key", but you can either guess the true key or anything that hashes the same as it

02:09 <efc> not an expert at any of those things tho

02:10 <mweltin> well that does shed a little light on it, not much but some.  I have no need for cracking stuff, but I must admit I'm very curious.

02:10 <mweltin> I like the enigma project for that reason.

02:10 <Tank_Master> there are some boinc projects that try n find hash clashes

02:11 <efc> Well for example.. when you log into your OS, you have to enter a password

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02:11 <efc> The password is not actually stored, but its hash is

02:11 <efc> Then they rehash whatever you type in, and see if it matches

02:12 <mweltin> yes, just like the way I store passwords for any web based app i write.

02:12 <efc> So maybe I could figure out a phrase that would hash the same as yours more easily than guessing the real password

02:12 <mweltin> store the hash in the database not the password.

02:12 <efc> If the hash function is weak or reversible its much, much easier

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02:15 <efc> Of course just because you find "a" collision (and mathematically they must exist) doesn't mean that you can find a collision for anything you want, but it makes it easier to study and attack the hash function

02:16 <mweltin> you are so SAMRT efc

02:16 <mweltin> Hey PovAddict

02:24 <mweltin> so what is the difference between rsa and dsa?

02:24 <mweltin> I trying to get the login with out the password promt working in ssh.

02:26 <efc> Cant help you much there..

02:27 <mweltin> cool bean

02:28 <mweltin> s

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02:29 <mweltin> PovAddic1, ?

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02:59 <mweltin> I made it worse

02:59 <Tank_Master> the ga?

02:59 <mweltin> I now have to enter the pass phrase and password

02:59 <mweltin> no ga is gettin better

02:59 <Tank_Master> lol

02:59 <mweltin> ssh login is not

03:00 <Tank_Master> noob

03:00 <Tank_Master> ;)

03:11 <Tank_Master> im off to bed

03:11 <mweltin> night

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03:22 <mweltin> sedrbo_01

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03:35 <mweltin> hey clusty

03:35 <clusty> hey amigos

03:35 <clusty> :D

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03:49 <clusty> mweltin, how is your island in the sun?

03:51 <mweltin> nice I saw a man-o-war jelly fish today.

03:52 <mweltin> I couple weeks ago I saw a couple of hammer head sharks

03:52 <mweltin> last week was my 100th dive

03:53 <mweltin> and I switched out an under water acustic recorder and temperature logger to celibrate.

03:53 <mweltin> yesterday I watched a reef shark hunting on the edge of a reef

03:53 <mweltin> that was cool

03:54 <clusty> i envy you....

03:54 <mweltin> you should

03:54 <mweltin> haha

03:54 <clusty> i do

03:54 <clusty> :D

03:56 <mweltin> where do you live again?

03:57 <clusty> cloudy bremen

03:58 <clusty> almost north sea

03:58 <clusty> 90km form it

03:58 <mweltin> ouch too cold to dive there

03:58 <clusty> not really

03:58 <clusty> but its all gray

03:58 <clusty> and mildly murky

03:58 <mweltin> what is the water temp?

03:58 <clusty> dunno for certain

03:58 <clusty> but you can bathe from april or may

03:59 <clusty> usual temperate climate

03:59 <mweltin> its 25 C here at least

03:59 <mweltin> my C to F conversion may be off

03:59 <mweltin> 84F

03:59 <clusty> :D

03:59 <clusty> can you convert from miles/galon to liters/100km?

03:59 <clusty> :D

04:00 <clusty> this was trickiest

04:00 <mweltin> no not without a calculator

04:00 <mweltin> all I can remember is the 42 metric beers.

04:01 <clusty> whats that?

04:01 <clusty> some german 5meters of beer?

04:01 <mweltin> an estimate of C -> F is to take the degrees C double it and add 30.

04:02 <clusty> nifty trick

04:02 <mweltin> so a six back of beer in the US is 6*2+30 metric beers

04:02 <mweltin> or 42

04:02 <Romulus> Yes, thats what the hell...

04:02 <clusty> smart ass bot again

04:02 <clusty> who had the idea?

04:02 <mweltin> I have come to not like rommie

04:03 <mweltin> but like many things in this world that I can change, I have come to accept it.

04:03 <mweltin> romulus--

04:06 <CoderForLife> morning

04:07 <clusty> moin

04:07 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 12.5F / -10.8C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 30.43in / 1030.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows 0 to 5 above. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph...decreasing to 5 to 10 mph after midnight. Wind chill values as low as 5 below.; Monday - Partly sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly (2 more messages)

04:08 <CoderForLife> &more

04:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: cloudy. Highs in the lower 20s. West winds around 5 mph... becoming light southeast winds in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Snow likely in the evening...then snow after midnight. Snow may mix with sleet or freezing rain late. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Light ice accumulation. Near steady temperatures in the lower 20s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Winter Storm (1 more message)

04:08 <CoderForLife> &more

04:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 7:00 PM EST on February 12, 2008;

04:09 <mweltin> nice weather cfl

04:10 <CoderForLife> if you like adverse conditions...  =)

04:10 * KathrynM is back (gone 08:38:26)

04:10 <KathrynM> evenin' all

04:11 <mweltin> KathrynM!!!

04:11 <clusty> morning

04:11 <KathrynM> :0)

04:11 * CoderForLife picks up his alarm clock and shakes it

04:11 <mweltin> today I saw a man-o-war jelly fish

04:11 <KathrynM> cool

04:11 <mweltin> crazy

04:11 <KathrynM> today i mixed yeast, sugar and water :)

04:11 <clusty> and?

04:11 <Romulus> Rumor has it and is with no internet for like a month, clusty

04:11 <clusty> booze came out?

04:11 <quail> hey CoderForLife, I see you have been checking up on me :-)

04:12 <KathrynM> lol.  not quite

04:12 <CoderForLife> quail!

04:12 <KathrynM> but the kids were amused to see the bag blow up like a balloon

04:12 <CoderForLife> indeed - I have been worried

04:12 <mweltin> nice

04:12 <quail> CoderForLife: Hi Don, how are you mate?

04:12 <CoderForLife> more importantly...  how about you?

04:13 <mweltin> KathrynM, and then you showed them how to build a still?

04:13 <clusty> whats that a still?

04:13 <quail> CoderForLife: I am not to bad, still kicking along

04:13 <CoderForLife> missed you around here, quail

04:13 <KathrynM> lol.  not on your life life :)

04:14 * quail blushes

04:15 <quail> CoderForLife: yeah I have just been chilling out and relaxing

04:15 * KathrynM kicks bash

04:15 <quail> and trying to do sweet FA

04:15 <mweltin> KathrynM, bash got you down?

04:16 <KathrynM> apparently setenv doesn't exist

04:16 <mweltin> no

04:16 <KathrynM> but man setenv does

04:16 <CoderForLife> sounds great q

04:16 <mweltin> you use export

04:16 <KathrynM> oh.......

04:16 <mweltin> well the same machine can have serveral shells on it.

04:16 <KathrynM> I need to edit /etc/passwd

04:17 <KathrynM> using vipw

04:17 <KathrynM> but the last thing in the world I want to use is vi

04:17 <mweltin> what?

04:17 <clusty> nano?

04:17 <clusty> :D

04:17 <KathrynM> so I was told to do `setenv EDITOR emacs`

04:17 <mweltin> vi is your friend

04:17 <KathrynM> not mine

04:17 <clusty> i must agree

04:17 <mweltin> it is, vi likes each and everyone of you.

04:17 <KathrynM> lol

04:18 <mweltin> carry vi in your heart and you can't go wrong.

04:18 <KathrynM> I watched my brother using vi and decided that I'd NEVER go down that road.

04:18 <mweltin> most roads worth traveling are hard.

04:19 <KathrynM> emacs is challenging enough for me, thanks

04:19 <mweltin> vi is no exception

04:19 <CoderForLife> vi is a-ok

04:19 <KathrynM> so.  How do I get vipw to use emacs?

04:20 <mweltin> but it is pure of heart, not like the devil emacs that promises, shells, and email clients

04:20 <Romulus> some really bad weather

04:20 <KathrynM> hush rommie

04:20 <mweltin> vipw uses the EDITOR evn?

04:20 <KathrynM> dunno

04:20 <KathrynM> I'm just trying to do what Eric told me.

04:21 <KathrynM> sendmail is picky picky picky.

04:21 <mweltin> set EDITOR=emacs

04:21 <mweltin> export EDITOR

04:21 <CoderForLife> once you start using vi, you'll find every file you edit outside of vi full of colon characters

04:21 <mweltin> what? cfl?

04:22 <mweltin> that has not been my experience.

04:23 <mweltin> what is vipw anyway KathrynM

04:23 <mweltin> why can't you edit the passwd file directly?

04:23 <KathrynM> what I gather is that it's safer than editing /etc/passwd directly

04:23 <KathrynM> I don't understand it.

04:23 <KathrynM> Maybe I'll leave this for another day before I reallyb reak soemthing

04:23 <mweltin> skip it, make a pack up fo the passwd file first

04:24 <mweltin> and then make you edits.

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04:24 <desti> u need to change a users passwd?

04:24 <spawny> hi

04:24 <KathrynM> no.  I need to change my username

04:24 <KathrynM> sendmail doesn't care for user names with capital letters

04:24 <spawny> I'm trying to regroup all my credit around one account, but it seems credit generate in another team can't be fall over my new account in another team

04:24 <KathrynM> I'm trying to forward the mail to root to my own user account.

04:24 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmm

04:24 <spawny> I have more than 60000 pts on my world community grid accout in the team france, today I've change to the team BOINCstats, can I transfert my points into this account?

04:25 <KathrynM> spawny, no.  Credits stay with the team they were earned with

04:25 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:25 <KathrynM> the only exception is CPDN.

04:25 <mweltin> KathrynM, I suggest just making the back up and just doing the edit with

04:25 <mweltin> dare I say it....

04:25 <mweltin> emacs

04:25 <KathrynM> lol

04:25 <mweltin> forgive me vi

04:26 <KathrynM> i beg your forgiveness.

04:26 <mweltin> what is the worst that can happen

04:26 <KathrynM> I'm nothting but a humble English teacher geek wanna be

04:26 <KathrynM> I trash my entire system?

04:26 <mweltin> I'm just some guy

04:26 <KathrynM> any other questions spawny ?

04:26 <spawny> what a shame, 60000pts lost!! I

04:26 <mweltin> consider it a lesson in object impermanence (sp?)

04:26 <KathrynM> not lost

04:27 <KathrynM> They stay with you.  THey just don't get transfered to your new team.

04:27 <mweltin> never lost

04:27 <desti> u could also create a new user and copy ur old home dir into the new users one

04:27 <KathrynM> yeah.  I thought about that.  But getting everything set up all nice and happy again...  meh

04:27 <mweltin> desti, that is a good idea, more key strokes needed, but safer.

04:28 <spawny> kathrynmoki, so why their don't count into my stats?

04:28 <KathrynM> personal stats or team stats?

04:28 <spawny> personal

04:28 <KathrynM> Have you checked to see if you have two+ CPID's?

04:29 <KathrynM> what's your username?

04:29 <KathrynM> spawny?

04:29 <spawny> no, since this morning it's pierrespawn

04:29 <KathrynM> did you change your email?

04:29 <mweltin> KathrynM, checkout usermod.

04:30 <mweltin> usermod - Modify a user account  [-l login_name]

04:30 <mweltin> you dn't have to edit the passwd file directly at all.

04:30 <mweltin> you have root no?

04:30 <spawny> no, but I do the mistake to subscribe to my projects with different mails

04:31 <KathrynM> that will split your CPID.  CHange all your projects to use the same email and check back in a few \days.

04:32 <KathrynM> "usermod will not allow you to change the name of a user who is logged in"

04:32 <KathrynM> hmmmm

04:32 <mweltin> HAAHAH this is from the usermod man page..........

04:32 <KathrynM> best to log out of my account and log into root's account?

04:32 <mweltin> the

04:32 <mweltin>               user's  home  directory name should probably be changed to

04:32 <mweltin>               reflect the new login name

04:32 <KathrynM> here's the thing.

04:32 <KathrynM> I don't think I can

04:32 <spawny> this morning, change all my user informations, to regroup all my projects in the same team with the sae name

04:32 <KathrynM> I want to change my username from Kathryn to kathryn

04:33 <KathrynM> give it a few days spawny.  It won't happen instantaniously

04:33 <CoderForLife> b

04:33 <mweltin> linux is case sensitve, Kathryn and kathryn are as different as bob and kathRyn

04:33 <KathrynM> in /home, there is Kathryn and kathryn

04:34 <KathrynM> kathryn is the home directory from my ubuntu partition

04:34 <spawny> kathrynm ok, thank you, you think their will appears anyway?

04:34 <KathrynM> so I can't just change my user name and home directory in Fedora to kathryn  and /home/kathryn

04:34 <KathrynM> yeah spawny give it a few days.

04:34 <KathrynM> drop back in if your stats are still separated.

04:34 <mweltin> with usermod all you will do is change the username

04:35 <mweltin> nothing else will change.

04:35 <KathrynM> ok.  I'll give that a shot.  I'll need to log out to do so.

04:35 <mweltin> so when you login as kathryn you will still have the same home dir Kathryn

04:35 <spawny> thank you

04:35 <KathrynM> yw spawny

04:35 <KathrynM> bbiab

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04:41 <clusty> know about this?

04:41 <clusty>

04:41 <Romulus> Title: Linux Kernel 2.6.17 - vmsplice Local Root Exploit (at

04:42 <mweltin> what is that

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04:46 <desti>

04:46 <Romulus> <> (at

04:46 <KathrynM> yahooo!!!!!!!!!!!

04:46 <mweltin> KathrynM, how did it go

04:46 <KathrynM> perfectly

04:46 <mweltin> well I gues that answers that.

04:47 <KathrynM> well...  aside from the little part of being dumped into a text screen rather than a gui when I logged out.

04:47 <KathrynM> but heh.  I know know how to reboot from a prompt.

04:47 <KathrynM> so now I gotta go stick that file in the right spot so the root mail starts getting forwarded to my own account.

04:48 <mweltin> gui are another source of false profits

04:48 <KathrynM> i'm learning.  I"m learning.  Slow and steady wins the race.

04:48 <KathrynM> At least I don't have a panic attack any more when confronted with a shell.

04:49 <mweltin> haha, yes that is a very important step.

04:49 <KathrynM> no.  seriously.  I would totally freak out if I had to do anything on the CLI.

04:49 <KathrynM> Now I even sort of like it.

04:49 <KathrynM> I user mplayer from the CLI and I love how lightweight it is.

04:50 <KathrynM> speaking of...

04:50 <mweltin> mplayer is the best

04:50 * KathrynM goes to mount my data parttion so I can listen to music

04:51 <mweltin> I found mencoder very useful for shrinking down dvd's to a reasonable size.

04:51 <KathrynM> not tried that yet.

04:51 <clusty> mweltin, its not a drag passing args?

04:51 <mweltin> no

04:51 <clusty> i never got around figuring out codecs/#passes and so forth

04:52 <clusty> mencoder comes with mplayer

04:52 <clusty> write some small plugin

04:52 <mweltin> oh yeah, mencoder has a million options 90% I dont understand.

04:52 <clusty> to encode a stream of png's into stuff

04:53 <clusty> mplayer is bloodu great

04:53 <mweltin> I have only used it to convert dvd's to avi

04:53 <clusty> was working in a multimedia company

04:53 <mweltin> mplayer rules, plays anything, and better than most players.

04:53 <clusty> they were doing huge displays

04:53 <clusty> and we were using mplayer to play content

04:54 <clusty> meaning 20 PCs were synched with a modified mplayer

04:54 <clusty> each played a slice of movie

04:54 <mweltin> mplayer even has an option to send the movie to your desktop wallpaper

04:54 <clusty> and was great

04:54 <clusty> lool

04:54 <clusty> cute

04:54 <Romulus> yes it does not validate?

04:54 <KathrynM> rommie, very little of what you say does not validate

04:54 <clusty> drop dead rommi

04:54 <mweltin> sounds cool

04:56 <clusty> arghhh

04:56 <clusty> being sys admin is annoying

04:57 <mweltin> its a thankless job and I would never want to have to do it for money.

04:57 <clusty> well its not in my official job description

04:57 <clusty> but we lost all svn

04:57 <clusty> and me boinc :(

04:57 <clusty> some assholes hacked us

04:58 <clusty> now they are still trying

04:58 <mweltin> if you work hard and do you job right you get no credit, if something goes wrong no one understands what it takes to fix it.

04:58 <clusty> ...and users....

04:58 <clusty> not the most versed in linuxes

04:58 <clusty> :D

04:59 <mweltin> ahhh users, do you now of the BOFH ?

04:59 <CoderForLife> if we didn't have any users, we wouldn't have any problems

04:59 <mweltin> its required reading for all sys admins.

05:01 <CoderForLife> I'm going to wander off in the direction of w@#%

05:01 <CoderForLife> laterzz

05:01 <mweltin> bye

05:01 <clusty> nope

05:01 <KathrynM> laters

05:02 <clusty> what is it?

05:02 <clusty> :D

05:02 <clusty> funny

05:03 <mweltin> very

05:03 <clusty> its just 10 accounts

05:03 <mweltin> especially if you are a sys admin.

05:03 <clusty> so not that bad

05:03 <clusty> but most of them are windows users

05:03 <clusty> and want just the svn running

05:03 <clusty> occasionally they transfer stuff

05:05 <mweltin>

05:05 <Romulus> <> (at

05:05 <mweltin> just read the first paragraph

05:07 <clusty> funny shit

05:07 <wdsmia> asks clusty to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

05:08 <clusty> rite

05:08 <clusty> appologies

05:08 <mweltin> classic stuff there.

05:16 <clusty> here comes nothing :D

05:16 <clusty> recreating the SQL databses

05:16 <clusty> fingers crossed

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05:17 * KathrynM crosses fingers

05:23 <clusty> dbases seem to have worked

05:23 <clusty> hurray for boinc

05:24 <clusty> permissions are still screwy

05:24 <clusty> :D

05:24 <KathrynM> woo hoo!

05:24 <mweltin> congrats!

05:24 <KathrynM> well... permissions... small details :)

05:24 <Romulus> i have work from chess?

05:24 <mweltin> good work

05:24 <clusty> you gotta love the mailing list

05:24 <clusty> guys trhere are great

05:25 <mweltin> ok I'm going to call it a night.

05:25 <KathrynM> night Markus

05:25 <KathrynM> Sleep well

05:25 <mweltin> you'll have fun

05:25 <clusty> gnite

05:25 <mweltin> will do

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05:37 <clusty> any1 know some text mail readers?

05:37 <clusty> know pine was one

05:37 <clusty> and some other one...

05:38 <KathrynM> hold on... actually I do :)

05:38 <KathrynM> mail

05:39 <KathrynM> Eric told me mutt, mush, elm and pine.

05:43 <clusty> great

05:43 <clusty> mut

05:43 <clusty> :D

05:43 <clusty> thats was it

05:44 <KathrynM> cool

05:44 <KathrynM> i've just been using mail these last few days.

05:44 <KathrynM> But I think I"m going to look into the others as well.

05:44 <KathrynM> I may get the mutt source and build that for fun

05:45 <clusty> dont care that much really

05:45 <clusty> i needed one that worked out of the box

05:45 <clusty> to read security reports and cron logs

05:45 <clusty> :D

05:45 <clusty> on the server

05:45 <KathrynM> :)

05:46 <clusty> for any serious work thunderbird is needed

05:46 <KathrynM> lol

05:46 <KathrynM> I just use webmail.

05:46 <KathrynM> WHen I think about it, I pop it down to thunderbird to back up.

05:48 <clusty> webmail what for?

05:49 <KathrynM> gmail

05:49 <clusty> ohh that

05:49 <clusty> :D

05:49 <clusty> i kinda like institutional imaps

05:49 <clusty> but they are certainly less reliable

05:49 <clusty> old uni account

05:49 <clusty> alumni uni account

05:49 <clusty> company account

05:49 <KathrynM> I remember my first email addy :)

05:49 <KathrynM> very cryptic

05:50 <clusty> was a yahoo for me

05:50 <clusty> :D

05:50 <clusty> same

05:50 <clusty> :D

05:50 <KathrynM>

05:50 <clusty> holly macaro

05:50 <clusty> now that cryptic

05:50 <KathrynM> they were our student id numbers

05:50 <clusty> not very smart...

05:50 <KathrynM> we logged into a unix shell

05:51 <KathrynM> I just remember typing `mail` to get at my mail

05:51 <clusty> :D

05:52 <clusty> i remember my first email account

05:52 <clusty> on yahoo

05:52 <clusty> first dialup connection

05:52 <clusty> costed lots

05:52 <clusty> and had like 2kb/s

05:52 <KathrynM> lol

05:52 <clusty> and my revelation once i found all pink floyd guitar tabs online

05:52 <clusty> :D

05:52 <KathrynM> aol was my first isp

05:53 <KathrynM> aol on a 28.8 modem

05:53 <Romulus> wdsmia: no you can't get there....

05:53 <clusty> well in RO i hijacked an account actually

05:53 <clusty> :D

05:53 <KathrynM> god how i thought the thing flew when i put a 56k modem in htere

05:53 <clusty> well my father was using dialup till sept. last year

05:53 <clusty> :D

05:53 <clusty> same crappy net

05:53 <KathrynM> lol so was my best friend

05:54 <clusty> next step up for4 me was becoming sys admin at high school net

05:54 <clusty> i was downloading like mad back then

05:54 <clusty> :D

05:54 <KathrynM> LOL

05:54 <clusty> and next step was sys admin at uni

05:54 <clusty> now this was one heck of a pipe

05:54 <clusty> 4-5MB/s torrenting

05:54 <clusty> but got bored soon

05:55 <clusty> watching 100 GB of movies can get to you

05:55 <clusty> :D

05:55 <KathrynM> :)

05:57 <clusty> btw

05:57 <clusty> guess you read the catcher in the rye

05:57 <clusty> watched yesterday such a nice movie

05:57 <clusty> reminded me of the book

05:57 <clusty> movie is called igby goes down

05:58 <KathrynM> been ages since I read it.

05:59 <clusty> same

06:00 <clusty> been a long time since i had a smirk on my face throughout a whole movie

06:00 <clusty> :D

06:00 <KathrynM> lol

06:00 <clusty> never laughed, but loved it so much

06:00 <clusty> imagine a kido with a big lollipop

06:00 <clusty> and a properller hat

06:00 <clusty> :D

06:01 <KathrynM> hehehehe

06:13 <clusty> just received my reviewed thesis

06:13 <clusty> :D

06:13 <clusty> masters

06:14 <clusty> booo gotta fix citations :(

06:14 <KathrynM> I'm so glad mine is over and finished and behind me

06:16 <clusty> i start missing the resercher athmosphere

06:16 <KathrynM> what are you doing your masters in?

06:16 <clusty> did

06:16 <clusty> computer science

06:16 <clusty> machine vision

06:16 <KathrynM> cool!

06:16 <clusty> more specific 3d reconstruction

06:17 <clusty> google earth stuff :D

06:17 <clusty> for buildings

06:17 <KathrynM> that's really neat

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06:24 <hawmps> 'lo

06:24 <Romulus> javac has to be a race at world community grid had made some CNAME records to my doctor and see what else Extreme packs...

06:24 <KathrynM> hiya hawmps

06:25 <KathrynM> oh this is just wrong...

06:25 <KathrynM>

06:25 <Romulus> <> (at

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06:32 <hawmps> wow

06:54 <quail> &math convert 1 acre M

06:54 <Romulus> quail: Error: M is not a valid unit.

06:54 <quail> &math convert 1 acre m

06:54 <Romulus> quail: Error: unit categories did not match

06:55 <quail> &math convert 1 ac m

06:55 <Romulus> quail: Error: ac is not a valid unit.

06:55 <quail> &math convert 1 acre meter

06:55 <Romulus> quail: Error: unit categories did not match

06:55 <quail> &math convert 1 acre m

06:55 <Romulus> quail: Error: unit categories did not match

06:55 <quail> &math convert 1 a m

06:55 <Romulus> quail: Error: a is not a valid unit.

06:55 <quail> &math convert 1 arce m

06:55 <Romulus> quail: Error: arce is not a valid unit.

06:56 <quail> &math convert 1 acre m

06:56 <Romulus> quail: Error: unit categories did not match

06:56 <quail> &math convert 1 acre m2

06:56 <Romulus> quail: Error: m2 is not a valid unit.

06:56 <quail> &math convert 1 acre mxm

06:56 <Romulus> quail: Error: mxm is not a valid unit.

06:56 <quail> &math convert 1 acre sq m

06:56 <Romulus> quail: Error: sqm is not a valid unit.

06:57 <quail> &math convert 1 acre msq

06:57 <Romulus> quail: Error: msq is not a valid unit.

06:57 <quail> &math convert 1 acre m sq

06:57 <Romulus> quail: Error: msq is not a valid unit.

06:57 <quail> &math convert 1 acre meters

06:57 <Romulus> quail: Error: unit categories did not match

07:05 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

07:06 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 2F / -17C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.44in / 1031hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Isolated flurries late in the morning. A chance of snow early in the afternoon...then snow likely late in the afternoon. New snow accumulation around 1 inch. High 10 to 15. East wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent. Wind (1 more message)

07:06 <wdsmia> &more

07:06 <Romulus> wdsmia: chill readings 5 to 10 below.; Tonight - Snow. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Total snow accumulation 2 to 3 inches. Low zero to 5 above. East wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the north 5 to 10 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. High 15 to 20. North wind around 5 mph.;

07:15 <hawmps> 'lo Q

07:19 <MTughan> Off to school for me...

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07:51 <clusty> missed me?

07:51 <clusty> :D

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08:40 <quail> hello Jay

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08:43 <quail> &math convert 1 acre metre

08:43 <Romulus> quail: Error: unit categories did not match

09:02 <clusty> quail, maybe try google for that?

09:06 <quail> yeah might have to

09:08 <clusty> quail, there you go chief

09:08 <clusty> Die Gischt der Tage

09:09 <clusty>

09:09 <clusty> :D

09:09 <Romulus> Title: Online Conversion - Area Conversion (at

09:09 <clusty> wrong paste

09:09 <clusty> :D

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09:13 * quail enjoyed half of his midnight snack

09:14 <quail> clusty: thanks

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10:06 <hawmps> wow - all the way up to 13F

10:06 <Snake^> Heat wave

10:06 <Snake^> -4 here :P

10:07 <hawmps> ouch...

10:07 <hawmps> Wisconsin?

10:07 <Snake^> I guess there's something I'm missing re: Global Warming

10:08 <Snake^> Yup, WI

10:08 <Snake^> Warmer than yesterday though

10:10 <hawmps> temps dropped 24 degrees yesterday - and 50mph winds with it..

10:10 <clusty> &weather montreal, canada

10:10 <Romulus> clusty: Temperature: 3°F / -16°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Low Drifting Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 22mph / 35km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM EST; Today - Cloudy with sunny periods. Wind west 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 60 km/h (37 mph). High -11C(12F). Wind chill -29 this morning.; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Wind west 20 km/h (12 mph). Low -18C(0F).; Tuesday - Sunny (1 more message)

10:10 <clusty> :D

10:10 <clusty> any comments?

10:10 <hawmps> due north, 2.5 hrs.

10:11 <clusty> hawmps, you from vermont?

10:11 <hawmps> &weather 12020

10:11 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 13.1F / -10.5C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of snow showers. Highs around 20. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 4 above. West winds 10 to 20 mph...becoming northwest 5 to 10 mph (1 more message)

10:11 <hawmps> &more

10:11 <Romulus> hawmps: after midnight.; Tuesday - Partly sunny in the morning...then cloudy with snow likely in the afternoon. Snow accumulation around an inch. Cold with highs in the lower 20s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming southeast in the afternoon. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 1:00 PM EST on February 13, 2008;

10:11 <clusty> vicious..

10:11 <clusty> :D

10:11 <Snake^> I'm thinking Ice Age

10:11 <clusty> &weather quebec, canada

10:11 <Romulus> clusty: Temperature: 7°F / -14°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 22mph / 35km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM EST; Today - Periods of snow ending near noon then cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries. Local blowing snow. Wind west 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph). High -8C(17F).; Tonight - Cloudy. Clearing overnight. Wind (1 more message)

10:12 <hawmps> another storm coming - tues afternoon to wed afternoon 12" possible...

10:12 <clusty> &weather kudjuak, canada

10:12 <Romulus> clusty: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

10:14 <Snake^> I can't help but wonder why anyone would've settled in areas where the winter is this cold

10:14 <Snake^> Wagon must of broke down or something

10:14 <clusty> &weather Kuujjuaq, canada

10:14 <Romulus> clusty: Temperature: -8°F / -22°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM EST; Today - Increasing cloudiness. 30 percent chance of flurries this afternoon. High -15C(5F).; Tonight - Cloudy with 30 percent chance of flurries. Low -22C(-8F).; Tuesday - Cloudy with sunny periods and 30 percent chance of (1 more message)

10:14 <clusty> can't even spelkl properly

10:14 <clusty> :D

10:15 <hawmps> Most who settled in WI came from NY originally..

10:15 <Snake^> You'd think that they would've pointed their wagon trains south

10:15 <clusty> this last city is coldest place i know in canada

10:15 <clusty> ...that i been in

10:15 <hawmps> the erie canal had allot to do with it..

10:16 <Snake^> I guess

10:18 <Snake^> <<<<Bored to death

10:18 <Snake^> *sigh*

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11:00 <PovAddic1> hi

11:00 <Tank_Master> &wether 97007

11:00 <Romulus> Dunno.

11:00 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

11:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 43.3F / 6.3C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.35in / 1027.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain in the morning. Highs 50 to 55. Light wind.; Tonight - Partly to mostly cloudy. Patchy fog through the night. Lows 35 to 40. Light wind.; Tuesday - Patchy fog in the morning. Cloudy with a chance (1 more message)

11:00 <Tank_Master> &more

11:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: of rain. Highs 45 to 50. Light wind becoming south 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.;

11:00 <PovAddic1> quail: acre->meter doesn't work because acre is area and meter is length

11:01 <PovAddic1> &units area

11:01 <Romulus> PovAddic1: area units: square meter, are, hectare, acre, section, township, homestead, circular inch, circular mil

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11:01 <PovAddic1> &math convert 1 acre square meter

11:01 <Romulus> PovAddic1: 4046.8564224

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11:36 <zombie67> still cannot get my leopard install to run BOINC at 100%

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12:44 <spawny> hi

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14:25 <zombie67> still no solution.  my mac will not run all 8 tasks at 100%

14:27 <zombie67> i have an AI task on my mac

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14:45 <PovAddict> &port rcp

14:45 <Romulus> PovAddict: 469

14:50 <yoyo_RKN> zombie67 : does Seti.USA join the wcg race?

14:50 <zombie67> they are discussing it.

14:51 <yoyo_RKN> do you have other plans?

14:51 <zombie67> only a few comments so far

14:51 <zombie67> at this time, I have no other plans, so I will participate at least some

14:51 <yoyo_RKN> all your friends are joining: Seti.Germany, Planet3D

14:51 <zombie67> I am 50k away from 1M, to WCG was already on my to-do list

14:52 <zombie67> when does it start again?

14:52 <yoyo_RKN> first of March

14:55 <zombie67> I should hit my 1.5M goal at SETI in 11 days, so that will be a good time to re-taks my PPC macs to WCG

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15:50 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news Feb 11, 2008

15:50 <Tank_Master> thats quite some news, Romulus

15:51 <PovAddict> &boinc 1

15:51 <Romulus> PovAddict: BOINC news Feb 11, 2008 <>

15:53 <zombie67> I have some AI work on a windows machine (all errored out) and a Mac (not yet run)

15:55 <Tank_Master> coo

15:55 <zombie67> but the site is down

15:55 * xcamel_away is back.

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15:55 <xcamel> re-hi

15:55 <Tank_Master> wb

15:58 <xcamel> still friggin cold out, now a big snowstorm on the way..

15:59 <xcamel> 7+ inches (I'm betting 12+) for tomorrow..

15:59 <Tank_Master> ill take some

16:01 <xcamel> at least it'll have to warm up to snow..

16:02 <xcamel> and the winds are calming down a bit..

16:03 <xcamel> You still here pov?

16:04 <PovAddict> yeah

16:04 <PovAddict> as long as my network lets me

16:04 <xcamel> suggestion for boinc gui..

16:04 <PovAddict> look at this crap ->

16:04 <Romulus> <> (at

16:04 <Romulus> thinks FreeLarry58 just has TSP WUs right now.

16:04 <xcamel> ad an update button to the 'tasks' tab

16:05 <xcamel> wow - that's a bad report..

16:06 <PovAddict> look at the graph at midnight

16:06 <PovAddict> for packet loss

16:06 <PovAddict> it was pretty unusable at that time

16:06 <xcamel> yupper - china spamming SA - or getting their pr0n fix..

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16:23 <zombie67> what's the deal with BURP?

16:23 <Romulus> Fedora has a unique id.

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16:26 <zombie67> is down?

16:26 <PovAddict> I can't tell

16:27 <PovAddict> 50% of the internet is down or slow for me

16:28 <zombie67> more damn achors

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16:44 <PovAddict> *splodes*

16:44 <PovAddict> a BOINC server can tell a client to delete a file, by sending a special deletion message

16:45 <PovAddict> a BOINC server can also tell a client to download a file... guess how...

16:45 <PovAddict> creating a workunit with a dummy application name, and with the file as a required input file, then sending it to the client

16:45 <PovAddict> that *so* looks like a hack

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16:58 <CoderForLife> howdy

16:58 <MTughan> 'lo CoderForLife

16:59 <CoderForLife> just got down off the roof, cleaning off the weather bullseye target

17:00 <CoderForLife> j/k

17:00 <PovAddict> I'm just struggling with my 'net

17:00 <CoderForLife> there's no way I'd get up there

17:00 <PovAddict> at least it's not as bad as last night

17:00 <CoderForLife> lemme look at your crap

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17:01 <PovAddict> MTughan: 'sup with your IRC?

17:01 <CoderForLife> looks like the cartels in Cali are out of business

17:01 <MTughan> Good question...

17:02 * xcamel yawns

17:02 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

17:02 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: yeah, I think that router isn't up anymore; ITR should switch to another for their tests

17:02 <CoderForLife> good evening Mr C

17:02 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:02 <xcamel> and Mike

17:02 <CoderForLife> looks like snow tonight

17:03 <Tank_Master> snow is fun

17:06 <zombie67> Don & Mike?  The DJs?

17:06 <MTughan> lol, 'lo zombie

17:06 <zombie67> Hi

17:12 <xcamel> looks like a big snow here..

17:17 <Tank_Master> ill take some

17:17 <xcamel> you said that already...

17:17 <xcamel> :-)

17:17 <wdsmia_w> looks like its time to head home

17:17 <xcamel> drive safe..

17:17 <Romulus> that page has been great help

17:18 <Tank_Master> im already home!

17:18 <Tank_Master> and im glad I could help, Romulus

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17:18 <Tank_Master> Romulus, you hoe you

17:18 <Romulus> I don't have a clue!

17:20 <xcamel> that would be 'ho', unless your gardening..

17:20 <Tank_Master> ho?

17:21 <Tank_Master> oh?

17:21 <Romulus> oh is it like SocialBorg, Tank_Master

17:23 <Soul_keeper>

17:23 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:27 <Tank_Master> sucks to be her

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17:35 <xcamel> could it have been that she was leaving with the big flat screen too?

17:35 <xcamel> ...without paying...

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17:35 <xcamel> 'lo ElG

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17:38 <Tank_Master> but we wont mention that cus it would make the girl not look so inisont

17:39 <Tank_Master> tipical media slant

17:39 <MTughan> Oh, they would never do that. :P

17:39 <Tank_Master> lol

17:43 <xcamel> the whole bit with tasers and cops makes me crazy...

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17:43 <xcamel> does a cop have to get shot with his gun before one gets issued to him?

17:43 <Tank_Master> yeah, why didnt he just shoot here and be done with it?

17:44 <xcamel> he has to be tazered before he can have on...

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17:44 <xcamel> er one even

17:44 <xcamel> just more liberal bullSh1t

17:45 <wdsmia> Brrrr Its cold out there

17:45 <PovAddict> having to get shot before having a gun sounds like a good idea to me

17:46 * xcamel sets PoV to superignore

17:46 <PovAddict> or better: just don't let anyone own a gun

17:46 <Soul_keeper> bla

17:47 <Soul_keeper> every man, woman, and child should own atleat 1 gun imo

17:47 <xcamel> SA doesn't understand..

17:47 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

17:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 8F / -13C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Tonight - Snow in the evening...then snow likely after midnight. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Total snow accumulation 1 to 3 inches. Low 5 to 10 above. Northeast wind around 10 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. High (1 more message)

17:47 <wdsmia> &more

17:47 <Romulus> wdsmia: around 15. North wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low 5 to 10 above. West wind around 5 mph.;

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17:54 <MTughan> Off to dinner...

17:59 <Tank_Master> dinner?

17:59 <Tank_Master> at 3?

17:59 <Tank_Master> ;)

17:59 <PovAddict> timezones

17:59 <xcamel> btw.. just about every possible weather forecast tool...

17:59 <xcamel>

17:59 <Romulus> Title: e-WALL : PSU ELECTRONIC MAP WALL (at

17:59 <Tank_Master> gaa

18:00 * Tank_Master twitches from info overload

18:00 <Tank_Master> the numbers...

18:00 <Tank_Master> they are out to get me!

18:01 <xcamel> yeah.. it's a weather orgasm...

18:01 <PovAddict> eww

18:04 <ELGono>

18:04 <Romulus> <> (at

18:04 <ELGono> good adress for some highres

18:05 <ELGono>

18:05 <Romulus> <> (at

18:05 <ELGono> engl is better maybe hehe

18:06 <xcamel> thanks for the link..

18:08 <ELGono> btw jay, ps is working

18:08 <ELGono> just got 2,5% difference in voltage on DC rail from 2 different transformers

18:08 <xcamel> great!

18:09 <ELGono> organised a second transformer with same VA rating

18:09 <Romulus> they lost their admin that was that the airport extreme can release it's ip address from the .sh package gives you 36 hours..

18:09 <xcamel> you'll get the variance because the transformers aren't magnetically connected

18:10 <xcamel> technically, and unbalanced ct

18:11 <ELGono> as long as it don't shift while heavy load it shouldn't be such a problem

18:11 <ELGono> can trim that with dc-offset poti

18:15 <xcamel> then you suffer the same voltage drop swinging from side to side, IIRC

18:17 <xcamel> did I hear correctly that Roy Scheider died?

18:17 <wdsmia> yep

18:18 <xcamel> too bad..

18:18 <xcamel> wow - first real druid grave??

18:18 <xcamel>

18:18 <Romulus> <> (at

18:20 <ELGono> oh dear, roy

18:22 <xcamel> gotta love 'jaws'

18:22 <xcamel> even if you dont...

18:22 <wdsmia> or Blue Thunder

18:23 <xcamel> 'All That Jazz"

18:25 <ELGono> blue thunder was great

18:26 <ELGono> and not to forget: 2010

18:26 * wdsmia always liked coppers with Big guns

18:26 <xcamel> ah yes.. seaquest...

18:30 <xcamel> and all the DeLiuse brothers..

18:30 <ELGono> Marathon Man

18:31 <Romulus> ok, i'll try it out

18:31 <xcamel> forgot about that one..

18:32 <MTughan> Nuts, zombie left... Well, for all the other Mac users, Leopard 10.5.2 is available.

18:33 <xcamel> coming in with autoupdate?

18:33 <PovAddict> should

18:33 <xcamel> you forget I have 3 macs here too..

18:33 <MTughan> I think so. And I didn't know you had any Macs.

18:34 <xcamel> hehehe..

18:34 <MTughan> I notified by automatic update, but it didn't install by itself. Don't remember if I set that or if it's default.

18:34 <MTughan> It does require a restart though.

18:34 <xcamel> power mac and 2 macbook pro's

18:34 <MTughan> Okay, they can be downloaded automatically, but not installed automatically.

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18:41 <wdsmia> Hmm new startrek movie

18:42 <CoderOnTheCouch> young Spock

18:48 <xcamel> they picked a good one for that part..

18:53 <CoderOnTheCouch> according to what I read, I agree

18:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> &weather International Falls, MN

18:54 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Temperature: -2F / -19C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.44in / 1031hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows 14 below to 19 below zero. South winds around 5 mph. Wind chill readings 20 below to 25 below zero.; Tuesday - Partly sunny in the morning...then cloudy with a 40 percent chance of light snow in the (2 more messages)

18:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> balmy

18:55 <CoderOnTheCouch> &weather 45140

18:56 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Temperature: 23.0F / -5.0C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.29in / 1025.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - A chance of snow early this evening...then snow late this evening. Snow may be heavy at times late. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Lows in the lower 20s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 100 percent.; Tuesday (2 more messages)

18:56 <CoderOnTheCouch> sweltering

18:56 <CoderOnTheCouch> &more

18:56 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: - Sleet...snow and freezing rain in the morning...then sleet...rain and freezing rain in the afternoon. Precipitation may be heavy at times in the morning. Additional snow and sleet accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Light ice accumulation. Highs in the lower 30s. East winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming north 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Tuesday Night - Cloudy. A (1 more message)

18:56 <MTughan> lol

18:57 <MTughan> We got more snow on Sunday and this morning, and more predicted for tomorrow.

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18:57 <CoderOnTheCouch> snow, then sleet, then snow, then freezing rain, then sleet, then rain, then freezing rain

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18:57 <CoderOnTheCouch> &more

18:57 <MTughan> Ice?

18:57 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: chance of snow in the evening. Lows 15 to 20. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Hamilton County in effect until 7:00 PM EST on February 12, 2008;

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18:58 <CoderOnTheCouch> Nic collided with himself

18:58 <MTughan> You got ice?

18:58 <CoderOnTheCouch> PovAddict has disconnected: Nick collision from services.

18:59 <CoderOnTheCouch> not yet, but they are promising some ice  =)

18:59 <CoderOnTheCouch> need some?

18:59 <xcamel> I think Chris Pine will do OK too..

18:59 <MTughan> No thanks...

18:59 <MTughan> We've had enough snow to last us two winters already.

18:59 <xcamel> Nic collided while serving ices?

19:00 <CoderOnTheCouch> Chris Pine is Kirk?

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19:01 <MTughan> IRC's just having a bad day...

19:03 <xcamel> yes

19:03 <xcamel> and yes.

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19:08 * CoderOnTheCouch pulls MTughan out of the revolving door

19:09 <MTughan> Talk to the Colloquy devs.

19:09 <MTughan> It's crashed four times today.

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19:12 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

19:13 <KathrynM> laters all.  gotta go to that annoying place

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19:21 * CoderOnTheCouch phones Colloquy

19:21 <MTughan> Last crash was XChat.

19:22 * CoderOnTheCouch hangs up

19:22 <xcamel> hmmm..

19:22 <CoderOnTheCouch> you trouble is not in your IRC


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19:23 <xcamel> gotta love the 'all caps'

19:23 <CoderOnTheCouch> no need to shout?

19:23 <MTughan> No other apps crash. Although the XChat crash was caused by a plugin I had.

19:23 <MTughan> brb

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19:29 <zombie67> Wheeeee!

19:29 <xcamel> zom-bony!

19:29 <zombie67> looke like 10.5.2 update fixed it

19:29 <zombie67> looks

19:29 <MTughan> Fixed what?

19:29 <zombie67> my 80% CPU usage

19:29 <MTughan> Ah... Nice.

19:30 <zombie67> fingers crossed

19:30 <MTughan> Oh, did anyone see today's XKCD?

19:30 <MTughan> &xkcd

19:30 <Romulus>

19:31 <xcamel> good one..

19:32 <MTughan> "Says the girl who built a self-targeting kilowatt laser on the roof." xD

19:32 <zombie67> heh

19:32 <zombie67> have you seen the guy who uses a trebuchet to fling cadillacs?

19:33 <MTughan> Oh boy... Nope.

19:33 <zombie67> it's impressive

19:33 <MTughan> zombie67: How long do you generally go on your Macs without a restart?

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19:33 <zombie67> I usually only restart when a SW/OS update requires it

19:33 <MTughan> I'm up just over 12h and starting to slow down already...

19:34 <MTughan> May need to do the updates, then clear caches from Onyx and restart...

19:34 <zombie67> I have never noticed a slow down

19:34 <MTughan> I've got 1.75GB of 2GB used...

19:35 <MTughan> And a 61.6GB virtual memory block.

19:35 <zombie67> not the same guy, but you 'll get the isea:

19:35 <Romulus> Title: Car Launching Trebuchet | (at

19:36 <MTughan> I don't know, but it seems Leopard's harder on the memory than Tiger.

19:36 <zombie67> may be

19:36 <zombie67> the flaming pianos are pretty cool

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19:37 <xcamel> something in the last fc7 update slowed down window open

19:38 <MTughan> Awesome!

19:38 <xcamel> either KDE or the nvidia update..

19:39 <xcamel> hmmm.. a kernel update already... that says something...

19:40 <xcamel> 14-64 to 15-80

19:40 <zombie67> what is FileSyncAgent, and why is it taking 100% of a CPU?

19:41 <MTughan>

19:41 <Romulus> <> (at

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19:43 <MTughan> Oh wow... Last post seems to say something at least.

19:43 <MTughan> Seems FileSyncAgent is making a local copy of your iDisk.

19:43 <zombie67> If I have xcode 3.0, is there any reason to also install 2.5?

19:44 <MTughan> I thought of that at first, but only if you're familiar with Xcode 2.4.

19:44 <MTughan> Otherwise just do Xcode 3.0.

19:44 <Soul_keeper> you people talking apples ?

19:44 <zombie67> I do nothing with them

19:44 <MTughan> Then why are you bothering to install Xcode?

19:44 <zombie67> but occasionally people want me to test out things for them

19:45 <MTughan> Ah, so you need GCC?

19:45 <zombie67> dunno

19:45 <xcamel> need re boots

19:45 <zombie67> you tell me

19:45 <xcamel> brb

19:45 <MTughan> You just need to compile stuff from source then?

19:45 <MTughan> Bye Jay.

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19:50 <zombie67> wow 1.2gb for xcode

19:50 <MTughan> Yep.

19:51 <MTughan> 2.6GB for the GUI apps alone once unpacked.

19:54 <zombie67> man, the dock seems to crash atleast hourly

19:54 <zombie67> the log says:  Exception Type:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)

19:54 <zombie67> Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000

19:55 <MTughan> Bus error?

19:55 <MTughan> Can you get the crash log from Console and pastebin it?

19:56 <zombie67>

19:57 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 900603 (at

19:58 <MTughan> Well, I can tell you it crashed trying to get the number of items in an array...

19:58 <MTughan> Do you have any Stacks in your dock?

19:59 <zombie67> I removed my stacks just before the 10.5.2 upgrade.  I saw that stacks were causing some people problems

19:59 <MTughan> So no stacks?

20:00 <zombie67> but this crash was after the upgrade, and with no stacks

20:00 <MTughan> So that's not it then...

20:02 <zombie67> in calendar, it used to show the appointment details in a panel off to the right.  I cannot find how to display that in leopard.  help!

20:02 <MTughan> Sorry, I don't know what it could be. Just that it crashed trying to access an array. Could be a memory issue, with an object getting deallocated before it's done with.

20:02 <MTughan> Calendar?

20:03 <zombie67> iCal

20:03 <MTughan> Double-click?

20:03 <zombie67> nope

20:03 <MTughan> Works for me...

20:03 * CoderOnTheCouch dozes off

20:04 <CoderOnTheCouch> nuf 4 me

20:04 <CoderOnTheCouch> cya

20:04 <MTughan> Bye.

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20:05 <zombie67> I think cmd-I should also word.  But no

20:05 <MTughan> Does Ctrl-Click, Get Info work?

20:05 <MTughan> Cmd-I works here too...

20:05 <zombie67> nope

20:05 <MTughan> Is Get Info in the context menu?

20:06 <zombie67> I wonder if 10.5.2 broke it?

20:06 <MTughan> Well, try restarting iCal first...

20:06 <Romulus> Download the Linux version wouldn't have any work.

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20:07 <zombie67> How do I reinstall iCal?

20:07 <MTughan> Restart I said, not reinstall.

20:07 <zombie67> Ding!

20:08 <zombie67> so it is only pop-ups now?  No panel on the right, always displayed?

20:08 <MTughan> I didn't know if it always was there before, I never used iCal much.

20:09 <MTughan> Does it work?

20:09 <zombie67> the pop-up now works, thanks

20:09 <MTughan> Good.

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20:11 <xcamel> there... that helped

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20:17 <xcamel> still suffering from "conectile dysfunction" ??

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20:46 <xcamel> ploof..

20:47 <efc> I think they film these car chases at about 15 mph and make it up with tire screeching sound effects

20:49 <xcamel> lol

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21:02 * efc hates "theme" episodes too

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21:24 <zombie67> brb

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21:24 <PovAddict> ooh proteins has graphics

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21:34 <efc> O super, a caveman movie

21:39 <xcamel> b-movie channel on satellite..

21:40 <PovAddic1> &ln

21:40 <Romulus> <> (at

21:40 <Romulus> PovAddic1: Error: 503

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21:54 <xcamel> laterz..

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21:54 <Romulus> Is Get Info work?

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22:12 <MTughan> 'lo Tank_Master

22:14 <Tank_Master> hey

22:15 <MTughan> Rommie behaving?

22:16 <Tank_Master> never

22:16 <MTughan> Heh.

22:16 <MTughan> &stfu

22:16 * Romulus shuts up (fingers crossed)

22:16 <Tank_Master> xcamel_away needs to fix it

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22:19 <zombie67> still not at 100%

22:19 <zombie67> but close

22:19 <Tank_Master> wb km

22:20 <KathrynM> thx

22:20 <KathrynM> lunch time :)

22:20 <MTughan> zombie67: You mean CPU usage?

22:20 <zombie67> 95-98%

22:20 <zombie67> yeah

22:21 <PovAddict> well that's much better

22:21 <Romulus> oh looks like the devil emacs that promises, shells, and email clients

22:21 <MTughan> &sftu

22:21 <zombie67> hi Kathryn

22:21 <Romulus> Wish I knew, MTughan.

22:21 <MTughan> &stfu

22:21 * Romulus shuts up (fingers crossed)

22:21 <MTughan> I need to change that alias or something... Gets old real fast.

22:22 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout

22:22 * MTughan bashes Romulus with a breath taking Acer laptop

22:22 <MTughan> This is rather amusing...

22:23 <Tank_Master> NOT THE LAPTOP!

22:23 <Tank_Master> ITS NOT WORTH WASTING!

22:30 <zombie67> MT:  Why is the 64 bit OSX app slower than the 64 bit win app?

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22:32 <MTughan> zombie67: Good question... It shouldn't be.

22:39 <zombie67> it is about the same speed as the 32 bit app

22:40 <MTughan> Hmm, so maybe it's using 32-bit math rather than 64-bit math. I'll have to ask mweltin what flags he uses.

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22:41 <zombie67> I think crunch3r built the 64bit win app

22:41 <MTughan> Hmm... Are we able to get a hold of him?

22:41 <Romulus> Professor: ?Good news, everyone. Several years ago I bought my new mouse.

22:42 <zombie67> crunch3r?  no

22:42 <zombie67> TM might know how

22:42 <MTughan> Tank_Master?

22:42 <zombie67> yeah

22:42 <zombie67> he is a team mate

22:42 <MTughan> No, that was to flash him...

22:43 <MTughan> Yeah, I have no 64-bit specific commands for x86_64. The only difference between it and i686 (32-bit) is the -arch flag.

22:43 <MTughan> Fundamentally anyway.

22:44 <Tank_Master> sorry, what?

22:45 <MTughan> Are you able to contact Crunch3r?

22:45 <Tank_Master> I have his e-mail, yes

22:45 <Tank_Master> y?

22:45 <MTughan> I was wondering what he used to build the Win x64 app.

22:45 <zombie67> for tsp

22:45 <MTughan> Compiler and if GCC, what flags he used.

22:45 <MTughan> Yeah, TSP.

22:46 <Tank_Master> He uses the itel compiler

22:46 <MTughan> That kills me...

22:46 <zombie67> is there an intle complier for OSX?

22:46 <zombie67> intel

22:46 <Tank_Master> dunno

22:46 <MTughan> There is, but it's expensive.

22:46 <Tank_Master> he's got an inside mad at intel

22:46 <Tank_Master> man*

22:46 <MTughan> Ah...

22:46 <zombie67> maybe crunch3r has it already?

22:46 <MTughan> He does.

22:47 <Tank_Master> thats how he already has a skulltrail comp

22:47 <zombie67> no, I mean an intel compiler for OSX already

22:47 <Tank_Master> the dual quad with 1.6GHz FSB

22:47 <MTughan> He offered to make special Mac apps for TSP.

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22:49 <zombie67> does he also have access to a leopard intel box, assuming he needs it?

22:50 <MTughan> That I don't know.

22:50 <zombie67> does he need it?

22:50 <MTughan> I believe so. Unless Intel has made a compiler for Tiger that can do it.

22:50 <MTughan> I can't compile Leopard apps from Xcode on Tiger.

22:51 <zombie67> TM:  you need to set up a meeting here with MT and Crunch3r

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22:53 <Tank_Master> k

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22:56 <MTughan> Whoa... Apparently compiling a program, telling GCC to make it 64-bit, sets the ints to 32 bits. I think that should be 64 bits...

22:57 <Tank_Master> odd

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22:57 <Tank_Master> and I cant find cruncher's e-mail, must have deleted it on accident

22:57 <Tank_Master> but either I or z can PM him in our team's message board

23:00 <MTughan> All right, well I have one change that we can upload. I just added -m64 to the compilation flags, which forces 64-bit mode. I would think -arch x86_64 would do that, but it might not.

23:03 <MTughan> Yeah, $450 for the Standard Edition of the Intel compiler. I'll accept donations! :P

23:03 <zombie67> is there a trial period?

23:04 <MTughan> I can get a free evaluation, yes.

23:04 <MTughan> Or if I wait 5 months until I'm in university, I can get it for $50...

23:05 <MTughan> 30 day free trial.

23:06 <zombie67> sounds like an opportunity to make some wicked fast apps for 30 days....

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23:08 <zombie67> where's pov?


23:08 <zombie67> heh

23:08 <MTughan> He left.

23:09 <zombie67> could you build me an app_info file?

23:09 <MTughan> Anyway, what I was going to say: Maybe not wicked fast, but we'll see how it goes.

23:09 <zombie67> please?

23:09 <MTughan> For what?

23:09 <Romulus> (accesses the poll 10,000 times?)

23:09 <zombie67> chess, for my XP64 machines to use the XP32 app

23:09 <MTughan> They should already do that...

23:09 <zombie67> no, their server is too old

23:10 <MTughan> You'll need to get the app first of all.

23:10 <zombie67> I can do that from my 32 bit machines

23:10 <MTughan> And the name off the app?

23:10 <MTughan> of*

23:11 <zombie67> just a sec, let me get all that

23:12 <Tank_Master> cant build your on xml files, z?

23:12 <zombie67> I can never seem to get them to work

23:12 <MTughan> Sure, but does he know the syntax?

23:13 <Tank_Master> its not to had when you use one from a different project

23:13 <Tank_Master> hard

23:17 <efc> You don't want the ints to be 64 bit if they don't need to be..

23:18 <zombie67> okay, there are the following files in the project folder

23:18 <zombie67> chess960_1.26_windows_intelx86.exe

23:18 <zombie67> glaurung_1.2.1_windows_intelx86.exe

23:19 <zombie67> kpk.bin

23:19 <zombie67> stat_chess.png

23:19 <zombie67> stat_icon

23:19 <zombie67> done

23:19 <MTughan> How do I know what Chess runs?

23:19 <zombie67> huh?

23:20 <MTughan> What application is used to crunch the WUs?

23:20 <zombie67> I assume chess960_1.26_windows_intelx86.exe

23:21 <MTughan> So what does glaurung do?

23:21 <zombie67> dunno.  mayne one calls on the other?

23:21 <MTughan> Could be. But that'll affect how the app_info is made.

23:21 <zombie67> see!  it is never simple!!

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23:24 <zombie67> okay, let me ask on the forums that no one ever uses.  ;)

23:24 <Tank_Master> does chess now what 2 subprojects?

23:24 <Tank_Master> have*

23:25 <infinisoft> I think glaurung was the chess engine, chess960 the wrapper?

23:26 <MTughan> All right, I have two TSP apps for x86_64 compiled with the Intel compiler.

23:26 <MTughan> Any idea when mweltin comes? Just about 5:30 in AS.

23:27 <MTughan> Well actually... zombie67, can you test them out first before they're distributed?

23:28 <zombie67> sure!

23:28 <MTughan> You still have the app_info I gave you before?

23:28 <zombie67> yep

23:29 <Romulus> u b doin it rong

23:29 <MTughan> All right, so I'll just zip up the apps.

23:29 <MTughan> Rommie...

23:30 <BiteAbleKat> this new machine is fantastic!

23:30 <Tank_Master> lol

23:30 <MTughan> for zombie67

23:30 <Romulus> <> (at

23:31 <zombie67> gimme a few min.  need to finish something and move to another box

23:31 <zombie67> brb

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23:32 <MTughan> All right, plenty of BF WUs ready to go out.

23:32 <Tank_Master> you meen to screw up

23:32 <MTughan> Heh.

23:32 <MTughan> Hopefully not.

23:33 <Tank_Master> :)

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23:34 <MTughan> What timing...

23:34 <mweltin> whats up MTughan

23:34 <Tank_Master> lol

23:34 <Tank_Master> defently

23:34 <MTughan> I just finished recompiling some TSP apps for x86_64 darwin with an eval version of Intel's compiler. zombie should be back soon to test them.

23:34 <mweltin> is everything messed up.

23:34 <Tank_Master> when isnt it?

23:34 <Tank_Master> ;)

23:35 <MTughan> Because apparently they were about the same speed as the 32-bit apps, making me think GCC wasn't doing what I thought it was doing.

23:35 <mweltin> to day I had a scare.  to get the image upload thing to work I had to re-compile php

23:35 <mweltin> MTughan, cool, thanks for digging into that.

23:36 <mweltin> I lost my php.ini file, and the one I replaced it with didn't have the

23:36 <MTughan> $450 for the standard version, but if I wait the 5 months until I'm in univ, it's $50. xD

23:36 <mweltin> allow_sort_tag thing working.

23:37 <mweltin> so basicly all pages that used <? and not <?php were broken but nothing showed up in the error logs ro access logs for apache.

23:37 <mweltin> apparently at least the boinc pages use <?php

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23:37 <mweltin> big Z!

23:37 <MTughan>

23:37 <Romulus> <> (at

23:38 <mweltin> did you see my reply to your post?

23:38 <MTughan> In case you didn't get the link...

23:38 <mweltin> oh I didnt thanks MTughan

23:38 <MTughan> For zombie.

23:38 <mweltin> I'll wait for zombie67 to test it before I post...

23:38 <mweltin> ok

23:38 <mweltin> cool

23:38 <MTughan> Yeah, because I'm not sure if they're any faster.

23:39 <MTughan> They are optimized for Core 2 CPUs though, so that should help.

23:39 <zombie67> hi!

23:39 <Tank_Master> wb

23:39 <zombie67> no

23:39 <zombie67>

23:39 <Romulus> <> (at

23:39 <zombie67> that is the machine

23:40 <Tank_Master> core2 apps will work on it

23:40 <zombie67> here is a task with the previous app:

23:40 <Romulus> <> (at

23:40 <zombie67>

23:40 <zombie67> grrr...  try this:

23:40 <Romulus> <> (at

23:40 <MTughan> Clipboard troubles?

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23:41 <MTughan> 'lo Pov

23:41 <mweltin> PovAddict!!!

23:41 <mweltin> what up buddy!

23:41 <Tank_Master> crap

23:41 <MTughan> In the time you were absent, I got the Intel compiler up.

23:41 <mweltin> long time no see

23:41 <zombie67> getting it up is good

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23:43 <PovAddict> I just joined to maybe-pissoff somebody with a piece of truth :)

23:43 <PovAddict> MTughan knows what I mean

23:44 <Tank_Master> ?

23:44 <MTughan> Do I?

23:44 <MTughan> The PNG XML thing?

23:44 <PovAddict> konf

23:44 <zombie67> Mon Feb 11 20:43:50 2008|traveling salesman problem|Message from server: No work sent

23:44 <zombie67> Mon Feb 11 20:43:50 2008|traveling salesman problem|Message from server: (There was work but not for the applications you have allowed.  Please check your settings on the website.)

23:44 <MTughan> zombie67: Odd... You're allowing BF?

23:44 <zombie67> hmmm

23:44 <Tank_Master> what? that the media has been lieing to us all this time?  Thats something everyone aught to by now

23:45 <PovAddict> no, it was another channel

23:45 <PovAddict> zombie67: do you have any SPARC?

23:45 <zombie67> good call, I turned it off again for my macs

23:45 <zombie67> nope

23:45 *** mweltin is now known as mw_brb

23:45 <MTughan> zombie67: Note the last part of that message. "Please check your settings on the website."

23:45 <zombie67> got 20

23:45 <MTughan> All right. Shut off new work, let's see how they go.

23:45 <zombie67> yeah, bit I forgot

23:47 <zombie67> 8 tasks running now

23:49 <MTughan> Oops... I think I used the 32-bit compiler yet again... That's what happens when you don't read the docs...

23:49 <zombie67> for reference a 2.4ghz C2D XP64 takes 1538 secs.

23:49 <zombie67> d'oh!

23:50 <MTughan> See how the first 8 go. I'd suspend the rest so we can use a new app if it is 32-bit.

23:50 <zombie67> suspend the rest?  Thats 32!

23:50 <zombie67> *this* is why we need your manager!

23:50 <PovAddict> hmm

23:50 <PovAddict> macs don't have boinc_cmd do they?

23:50 <MTughan> Is it on localhost?

23:50 <MTughan> PovAddict: No.

23:51 <zombie67> yeah

23:51 <MTughan> I can give you what I have now to suspend the rest.

23:51 <zombie67> naeay

23:51 <zombie67> naw

23:52 <MTughan> And actually... PovAddict: If the connection is coming from localhost, is the GUI RPC password needed?

23:52 <Tank_Master> yes

23:52 <PovAddict> it's not for read-only mode

23:52 <PovAddict> it is if you want to make changes

23:52 <MTughan> Okay...

23:52 <PovAddict> that is important to avoid local exploits

23:52 <MTughan> So I'd need to get zombie's RPC password if he was to use that anyway.

23:53 <MTughan> I'll make it read the config files at some point.

23:53 <PovAddict> if there is no password, anybody with an account that can connect to local TCP ports could execute code under the user where BOINC runs

23:53 <Tank_Master> ouch

23:53 <MTughan> Well, boinc_cmd doesn't require a password, does it?

23:54 <PovAddict> that includes the "guest" account on WinXP for example, which is supposed to be very low-priviledge

23:54 <PovAddict> MTughan: boinc_cmd reads the config file :)

23:54 <MTughan> So a malicious app could just use boinc_cmd.

23:54 <PovAddict> if it can't find the config file, you need to pass --passwd

23:54 <PovAddict> the idea is that the config file is not world-readable...

23:55 <PovAddict> chmod 600

23:55 <MTughan> I thought it was 660.

23:55 <PovAddict> ah yeah on macs

23:55 <MTughan> boinc_master:boinc_project

23:55 <PovAddict> because macs change the group as well

23:55 <MTughan> Yeah.

23:57 <zombie67> uh, this will take 56 min based on the first 10 min

23:57 <Tank_Master> slow, isnt it?

23:57 <MTughan> &math convert 56 minutes to seconds

23:57 <Romulus> MTughan: 3360

23:58 <MTughan> Twice as long. Sounds like 32-bit.

23:58 *** mw_brb is now known as mweltin

23:58 <MTughan> So you'll just have to let those compute, then replace them with other apps... I'll recompile.

23:58 <zombie67> 32 bit with your first all was about 40 min

23:58 <MTughan> Wow...

23:58 <zombie67> I am fine with aborting.

23:59 <MTughan> Just make sure the others are suspended.

23:59 <MTughan> Or not going to run.

23:59 <zombie67> everything is

23:59 <MTughan> Okay... You'll have to give me 5 minutes or so.

23:59 <PovAddict> Pending credit: 211.90

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