IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-02-13

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00:35 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86023

00:35 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 24F / -4.4C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: in / hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 20 on the North Rim to around 38 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny in the morning...partly cloudy with a 10 percent chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs around 48 on the North (2 more messages)

00:35 <Bad_At_Home> &more

00:35 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Rim to around 72 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Wednesday Night - Mostly cloudy. Rain and snow likely in the evening...a chance of rain and snow after midnight. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Snow level 6500 feet decreasing to 5500 feet after midnight. Lows around 30 on the North Rim to around 42 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds (1 more message)

00:35 <Bad_At_Home> &more

00:35 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: 15 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;

00:42 <Tank_Master> Chance of Particapation: 0%

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01:00 <mweltin> PovAddict, assume I pass command line args to an app.  When the app is restarted, and everything is in the state file what happens to the command line args?

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01:14 <MTughan> Off to bed...

01:27 <yoyo[RKN]> bye MTughan

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01:56 <Tank_Master> Off to bed

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03:16 <efc> &weather 30625

03:16 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 59F / 15C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1003hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Today - Cloudy with isolated showers in the morning...then mostly sunny in the afternoon. Windy. Highs in the upper 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Clear...windy. (1 more message)

03:16 <efc> oops

03:16 <efc> &weather 31088

03:16 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 60F / 16C | Humidity: 99% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1004hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Cloudy with scattered showers in the morning...then mostly sunny in the afternoon. Windy. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Tonight - Clear...windy. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph (1 more message)

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03:55 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

03:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 21.5F / -5.8C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 1.5mph / 2.4km/h ; Tonight - Snow showers diminishing to a chance of snow showers late. Snow accumulation an inch or less. Lows 15 to 20. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of (1 more message)

03:56 <CoderForLife> &more

03:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: snow early in the morning. Highs in the upper 20s. Northwest winds around 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 15 to 20. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south after midnight.; Winter Weather Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 4:00 AM EST on February 13, 2008;

04:28 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

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04:34 * KathrynM is back (gone 05:38:04)

04:36 <efc> moo

04:37 <efc> if its 60, i don't think we're going to hit mid 20s

04:37 <efc> in the next 2 hours

04:40 <CoderForLife> hitting anything tends to hurt

04:46 <efc> 40 degree drop in 3 hours would

04:48 <KathrynM> sounds like Cleveland :)

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04:50 * CoderForLife hates web sites that don't manage the user experience while doing operational changes

04:50 * clusty wags his tail of happiness cause the vmsplice exploit is fixed

04:50 <efc> most of them "manage" it by telling you to get lost

04:51 <CoderForLife> was looking at my accounts on my bank's web site, when it starts throwing errors and mixing up account data

04:51 * CoderForLife has his confidence plummet

04:52 <CoderForLife> "An error has occured. Please contact a customer service representative. [OK]"

04:52 <efc> Your money is gone, goodbye

04:52 <CoderForLife> it's not OK

04:53 <CoderForLife> and no link

04:53 <clusty> prolly were coached by windows ppl

04:53 <efc> maybe i should get all my money in cash.. since I've never seen most of it

04:53 <clusty> would you rather have the root@localhost email address to complain to?

04:53 <CoderForLife> "Your hard drive needs to be reformatted. [OK]"

04:53 <clusty> :D

04:54 <CoderForLife> to your point, 3 customer service messages I posted to their web site have never been responded to

04:55 <efc> one of my banks demanded I send in statements for other bank's accounts or some crap like that.. I never did, and they seemed to have survived

04:55 <clusty> i wrote two emails and got both answered within 6h

04:56 <clusty> maybe change banks or countries :D

04:56 <clusty> CFL you are from UK?

04:57 <clusty> brb

04:57 <clusty> gotta reboot

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04:59 <CoderForLife> yup, my 3 messages are still sitting out in the Message Center, unanswered

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05:01 <CoderForLife> now their web site is working again

05:01 <CoderForLife> 15 minutes of data hell

05:03 <CoderForLife> "Dear Faithful Customer: We are going to temporarily disconnect the web site from backend data sources.  This will yield 15 minutes of data pergatory, where perdition's flames will consume your accounts.  We're not going to manage this, or set you expectations as to what is happening.  Sorry about your luck.  Have you seen our new CD rates?"

05:04 <clusty> lool

05:04 <CoderForLife> no clusty, I am not in the UK

05:04 <CoderForLife> U.S.

05:07 <efc> The rates have all gone to poop, unfortunately, should have got those 5% CDs

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05:07 <efc> The savings rates have dropped like a rock but the mortage rates have barely budged, hmm.

05:11 <CoderForLife> Based on service levels, I wouldn't be interested in further, um, "services"

05:14 <efc> I shoulda gone into gold when I had that dream

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05:16 <CoderForLife> dreams of avarice

05:17 <efc> I dreamed of a depression, pervasive poverty. Woke up and though "buy gold" but didn't do it.

05:17 <efc> dad helped talk me out of it (I have found, in fact, that he doesn't want me to do anything at all)

05:19 <CoderForLife> "doing nothing" may not be a safe course of action (or inaction, as the case may be)

05:20 <efc> Yeah I know, I've already deep 6'd myself pretty good over the last 10 years doing that

05:21 * KathrynM gives Windows update a dirty look

05:21 <CoderForLife> speaking of money, I'm off to w@#%

05:21 <CoderForLife> cya nice folks back here soon

05:22 <KathrynM> laters

05:22 <efc> Later CFL

05:22 * CoderForLife finds he is already "away"

05:22 <CoderForLife> bye

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05:37 <clusty> CoderForLife, where do you have account?

05:37 <clusty> CoderForLife, i had at bank of A

05:37 <clusty> which kinda sucked

05:37 <efc> I can't imagine why anybody uses them..

05:38 <clusty> B of A?

05:38 <efc> Yes

05:39 <clusty> i was a dumb kid from europe

05:39 <clusty> earning first cash

05:39 <clusty> and for first time could not put the cash inside the matress

05:39 <clusty> :D

05:39 <efc> In college I had to cash a check there.. charged me $5, and that was 10 years ago, its probably more now

05:40 <clusty> i still have account with them

05:40 <clusty> i guess

05:40 <clusty> left 20 bux

05:40 <clusty> opened 2 accounts (checkiung savings)

05:40 <efc> they give terrible interest (though thats not uncommon)

05:40 <clusty> and cash bounces once a month from 1 to another

05:40 <clusty> interest is negligible

05:40 <clusty> even in their investment plans

05:41 <clusty> you can do much better doing currency speculations :D

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05:41 <efc> I use the high interest type internet accounts, but losing on even those now

05:42 <efc> Gotta grab some Zzz, later

05:42 <clusty> well they are designed to always be under inflation rate

05:42 <clusty> laterz

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05:46 <KathrynM> the whole freakin' internet is goofy tonight.

05:47 <KathrynM> ms updates are running at a snail's pace.

05:51 <xcamel_away> boo

05:54 <clusty> aloha

05:54 <clusty> kathy, yippie the vmsplice kernel exploit is fixed....

05:55 <clusty> not having trembly pants anymore

05:57 * KathrynM goes to yum up my system

05:58 <clusty> ...for ubuntu and debian

05:58 <clusty> hope RH fixed it already

05:58 <KathrynM> ah

05:58 <KathrynM> let's see what yum says

05:58 <clusty> sounds funny yumming up the system :D

05:58 <KathrynM> I <3 yum

05:59 <clusty> much better than yucking it

05:59 <clusty> D:

05:59 <KathrynM> lol

06:01 <KathrynM> nothing.  But I think I ran update last night...  I can't remember.

06:01 <clusty> but this exploit wreaked havoc

06:02 <clusty> got a message from tech support from old uni (where i have an account)

06:02 <clusty> they shut down all services for 2 days

06:02 <KathrynM> wow

06:02 <KathrynM> I saw something about it.  But I was clueless as to what I read.

06:02 <clusty> i mean you can change grades

06:02 <clusty> get access to fin info

06:02 <clusty> and so forth

06:02 <KathrynM> ouch.  bad bad bad

06:03 <clusty> any1 who had tiny amounts of rigts got superman rights after one command

06:03 <KathrynM> holy crap

06:04 <clusty> was not as bad with my company as we were hacked the week before :D

06:04 <clusty> because of a weak passoword

06:04 <clusty> but i could have spent one week of work and be rehacked

06:04 <clusty> would have sucked

06:05 <KathrynM> super sucky

06:06 <clusty> how is the school return

06:06 <clusty> or whatever is called

06:06 <clusty> any more twinkle twinkle star songs :D

06:09 <KathrynM> lol

06:09 <KathrynM> nah.

06:09 <KathrynM> we did an experiment with yeast the other day.

06:10 <clusty> bubbling?

06:10 <KathrynM> I've gotta get the pictures cropped and everything so we can do the posters

06:10 <KathrynM> yeah

06:10 <KathrynM> except when you add salt

06:10 <CoderForLife> clusty:

06:10 <clusty> i kinda liked more as a kid growing beans

06:10 <CoderForLife> out the door with me to w@#%

06:10 <clusty> CFL, not working

06:10 <KathrynM> ha.  another class planted flowers today.

06:10 <clusty> how old are they?

06:10 <CoderForLife> you must be blocked

06:10 <CoderForLife> cya

06:10 <clusty> like 10 or so?

06:10 <KathrynM> 3-4 grade

06:11 <clusty> why blocked

06:11 <KathrynM> laters CoderForLife

06:11 <clusty> anbd by whom?

06:11 <clusty> :*(

06:11 <KathrynM> awwwwwwww   poor clusty

06:11 <clusty> being block so so not cool

06:11 <clusty> :D

06:11 <KathrynM> the class was working on using exact words when writing directions.

06:11 <KathrynM> so I made them write about how to plant a seed

06:11 <clusty> can use the https

06:12 <clusty> inventive

06:12 <KathrynM> today they exchanged papers and tried to follow their classmates directions.

06:12 <clusty> cute

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06:12 <KathrynM> thanks.  the less grammar I have to teach the better.

06:12 <clusty> my english teachers were boring :D

06:12 <clusty> i was having fun making them feel bad

06:12 <KathrynM> lol

06:12 <clusty> they only reason I was studying like mad was to embarass them

06:13 <KathrynM> :)

06:13 <clusty> as they were not very bright

06:13 <clusty> remember in 5th grade she had to do some demo lesson

06:13 <clusty> so she could get more cash

06:13 <clusty> and the school board inspectors came and stuff

06:13 <clusty> yummmm

06:14 <clusty> more audience for me

06:14 <clusty> :D

06:14 <KathrynM> so you were a troublemaker :)

06:14 <clusty> damn, should have been an actor or something

06:14 <clusty> loved performing :D

06:14 <clusty> being in center of attention

06:14 <KathrynM> :)

06:15 <KathrynM> it's actually quite scary what will amuse some of my students.

06:15 <KathrynM> You know those codes a=1, b=2....

06:15 <KathrynM> I made my kids write riddles and the letters corresponded to different minutes on a clock face.

06:16 <KathrynM> because they're in the time chapter in their math book.

06:16 <clusty> :D

06:16 <clusty> you are building the new and improved geek generation

06:16 <clusty> :D

06:16 <KathrynM>

06:16 <clusty> harvest them while they are young

06:16 <Romulus> <> (at

06:16 <KathrynM> I used that image

06:17 <KathrynM> the 12 students generated like 50 riddles in 30 minutes.

06:17 <KathrynM> I copied all of them and put them into a puzzle book for the entire class.

06:17 <clusty> cute

06:17 <KathrynM> gave a copy of it to their Korean charge teacher and kept a copy for myself

06:18 <clusty> is it a normal school?

06:18 <clusty> and you are the EN teacher?

06:18 <KathrynM> nope.

06:18 <clusty> school for foreigners?

06:18 <KathrynM> It's a dedicated Eng academy.  But

06:18 <clusty> cute

06:18 <KathrynM> We teach grammar, reading, usual English stuff, but also math and science.

06:18 <Romulus> That's odd that Fedora's packages haven't been on here

06:19 <KathrynM> Yo rommie, you're just odd

06:19 <clusty> the first true foreginer i saw was in an english camp

06:19 <clusty> 6-7th grade or so

06:19 <clusty> a bunch of guys from manchester came

06:19 <clusty> took me long time to understand them

06:19 <clusty> hoish

06:19 <clusty> :D

06:20 <KathrynM> :)

06:20 <clusty> is how they call a house

06:20 <clusty> :D

06:20 <clusty> remember one of them screaming in the night

06:20 <clusty> hewp

06:20 <clusty> my hoish ij on fieee

06:20 <clusty> :D

06:20 <clusty> translation:

06:21 <clusty> help my house is on fire

06:21 <clusty> we were looking at him and nodding politely

06:21 <clusty> :D

06:21 <KathrynM> lol

06:21 <clusty> no joke

06:21 <clusty> was not fire just clogged chimney

06:22 <KathrynM> not good

06:24 <KathrynM> bbiab

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06:31 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

06:36 <hawmps> &weather 50319

06:36 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 1F / -17C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Not as cold. High in the mid 20s. South wind near 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Not as cold. Low 15 to 20. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of (1 more message)

06:36 <hawmps> weird..

06:40 <wdsmia> rommie was asleep...wish I was

06:41 <hawmps> lol - heavy freezing rain here right now..

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07:23 <MTughan> School...

07:23 <hawmps> Ice..

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07:24 <wdsmia> w#$%

07:30 <hawmps> looks like the hostname problem is solved..

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07:41 <clusty> any1 know some PHP?

07:41 <clusty> getting this error

07:41 <clusty> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 81 bytes) i

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08:38 <Bad_At_Home> Mornin

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08:41 <hawmps> uh-huh

08:43 <KathrynM> i've never had windows update be so freakin' stubborn.  i give up for the month.  I hardly think .net needs updated when all the dumb thing does is crunch.

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08:46 <hawmps> very true..

08:46 <hawmps> I call it 'dot not'

08:48 <Bad_At_Home> woohoo my quads back

08:49 <Bad_At_Home> mornin Kat

08:49 <Bad_At_Home> Mornin Hawmps

08:49 <KathrynM> mornin Bad_At_Home

08:51 <PovAddict> uninstall it :)

09:11 <clusty> you guys know some place where one can get some info on windows programming

09:11 <clusty> like process management

09:11 <clusty> no clue where to even start

09:20 <PovAddict>

09:20 <Romulus> Title: EFNet #Winprog (at

09:23 <clusty> one 100 thanx

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11:16 <Soul_keeper>

11:16 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - 50 Cent: Obama Would Get Killed Because He's Black (at

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11:59 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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13:50 <Lorvija> hey... i'm trying to search info about something but donno the english word..

13:50 <Lorvija> it's somekind of water heater screwed in the wall...

13:50 <Lorvija> heating the room..

13:50 <Lorvija> usually metal..

13:50 <PovAddict>

13:50 <Romulus> <> (at

13:50 <PovAddict> one o' those?

13:51 <Lorvija> aye (:

13:51 <Lorvija> so just household radiator? (:

13:51 <PovAddict> or just radiator

13:51 <Lorvija> okay

13:52 <Lorvija> have u ever seen electronic thermostat for one of those?

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14:20 <hawmps> &Katz!

14:20 <Romulus> hawmps: "Katz!" could be

14:23 <hawmps> &Dogz!

14:23 <Romulus> hawmps: "Dogz!" could be

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15:02 <hawmps> 'lo BB

15:05 <Bad_At_Home> Howdy

15:07 <hawmps> ice done, now all rain...

15:07 <hawmps> till later

15:07 <Bad_At_Home> we are getting snow tonite

15:09 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

15:09 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 50.0F / 10.0C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 23.45in / 794.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 8.7mph / 14.0km/h ; Today - Breezy. Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs 50 to 56. Light winds becoming southwest 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Windy. Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain and snow (2 more messages)

15:09 <Bad_At_Home> &more

15:09 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: showers in the evening...snow showers likely after midnight. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Snow level 7000 feet in the evening. Lows 26 to 32. Southwest winds 20 to 30 mph decreasing to 15 to 20 mph early in the morning. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Thursday - Breezy. Much colder. Snow showers likely. Snow accumulation 2 to 4 inches. Near steady temperature in the lower 30s. Northwest (1 more message)

15:09 <Bad_At_Home> &more

15:09 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Wind Advisory for Coconino County in effect until 12:00 AM MST on February 14, 2008;

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15:53 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:16 <yoyo[RKN]> hi zombie67

16:16 <yoyo[RKN]>

16:17 <zombie67> hi

16:17 <zombie67> heh

16:19 <xcamel> re-hi

16:19 * xcamel repeats self..

16:20 <yoyo[RKN]> we will see how the race will be

16:20 <Romulus> <> (at

16:22 <zombie67> I will be moving my PPC macs to WCH once they finish up SETI.

16:22 <xcamel> boincstats is mighty slow today..

16:23 <CoderForLife> hello

16:23 <zombie67> in about 9 days

16:23 <xcamel> 'lo Don

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16:25 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

16:26 <CoderForLife> here's our press release today from w@#%:

16:26 <Romulus> <> (at

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16:29 * CoderForLife raises one eyebrow

16:29 <PovAddict> VersionBot: update

16:29 <VersionBot> Latest BOINC version for Windows: 5.10.41

16:30 <PovAddict> I'll leave it running till Rom releases .42, and see if it "notices"

16:30 <PovAddict> it's scraping the download page on boinc site

16:34 <PovAddict> it's replying IRC pings - good...

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16:41 <xcamel> interesting idea..

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16:48 <zombie67> broke 100,000 at LHC!

16:49 <xcamel> congrats!

16:49 <xcamel> they have any more work?

16:49 <PovAddict> not now

16:49 <wdsmia_w> broke 270,000 there :)

16:50 <xcamel> 240,000 here

16:51 <xcamel> ...almost..

16:51 <wdsmia_w> #20 total credit LHC

16:51 <wdsmia_w> made it to the first page :)

16:56 <xcamel> man.. you can tell rush hour started... the scanner is hopping

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17:05 <i10neorg> I'm not sure how to search for the following, so I'm asking here first...

17:06 <i10neorg> Since most computers are generating heat, even when they aren't crunching, but are obviously warmer when crunching...

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17:07 <i10neorg> Has there been any discussion of the optimum "max cpu" (cpu throttling) level so that your computer is almost generated as much heat as if it was idle?

17:07 <PovAddict> 0% is the only setting that would generate as much heat as when idle

17:08 <i10neorg> I was affraid of that.

17:08 <MTughan> There's a few factors for that: how much CPU is still used when idle, what CPU fan you have, on so forth.

17:08 <PovAddict> a computer running at 10% CPU usage will heat slightly more than one at 0%...

17:08 <MTughan> I suppose it'd be possible to get close, but yeah, pretty well 0%.

17:08 <i10neorg> I thought perhaps noop type things might generate as much as some real work.

17:08 <i10neorg> Okay, thanks.

17:08 <PovAddict> well, redrawing open windows and updating the clock uses CPU

17:09 <i10neorg> I've been slowly up-ing the cpu usage until my laptop fan turns on, then backing off.

17:09 <PovAddict> but if you run BOINC at 1%, you have open windows getting redrawn, updating the clock, *and* 1% boinc...

17:09 <i10neorg> I see.

17:10 <PovAddict> also: laptops cool better if air can flow below them

17:10 <i10neorg> Thanks for the reply.  Friendly channel. :^)  Later.

17:10 <MTughan> Nice emoticon...

17:10 <PovAddict> there are some fancy things where you "dock" the laptop and gets cooler... but even a pair of pencils to keep it 5mm above the table would work to cool it a bit more :D

17:11 <MTughan> Huh... Appeared as a snowman on the GUI emoticons...

17:11 <MTughan> Heh, on my Macbook removing the battery lowers the temperature by 20C.

17:11 <i10neorg> MTughan: Intesting.  Good to know what my smile looks like elsewhere!

17:12 <MTughan> Hold on a sec, I'll get you a screenshot.

17:12 <MTughan>

17:12 <Romulus> <> (at

17:13 <xcamel>

17:13 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 February 13 - Elliptical Galaxy NGC 1132 (at

17:13 <i10neorg> MTughan: Funny!  Thanks.  I guess that character I use for a nose is a "carrot" after all. :)

17:13 <MTughan> Yeah.

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17:14 <FreeLarry58> anyone know what happened to janus's site (BURP) ben offline for days now

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17:14 <zombie67> the HD on my iBook just crapped out

17:14 <xcamel> unknown..

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17:15 <xcamel> zombie.. welcome to the club - they all fail catastrophically

17:15 <Romulus> Talk to the crediting situation is through a services application in the United States. It marked the biggest one I got this many ready to go down that road.

17:15 <xcamel> betting it's out of warranty too...

17:16 <PovAddict> warranty or not, they don't give you your data back for sure...

17:16 <MTughan> Heh.

17:16 <xcamel> seagate is still laughing from when I sent mine in...

17:16 <zombie67> oh yeah.  2004

17:16 <PovAddict> oh yes, it's still in warranty, here's your new blank disk

17:16 <zombie67> I was only using it for a cruncher anyway

17:17 <xcamel> omar ackbar shalala-boom-boom said "The platters exploded, we just threw it away"

17:18 <FreeLarry58> got a hold of the wifes laptop last night and did over a years worth of updates to it

17:18 <FreeLarry58> and she said it wouldn't connect to internet

17:18 <xcamel> lol

17:18 <FreeLarry58> it would if she would have turned on the wireless connection switch

17:18 <xcamel> like the 4 gigs of $h1t I took off my daughters hp laptop

17:18 <PovAddict> I have four windows updates waiting for me to feel like installing them...

17:19 <FreeLarry58> ohh thats still waiting for me

17:19 <zombie67> i did all my updates to my XP machines today, and all my Macs yesterday

17:19 <PovAddict> I can't be bothered to reboot right now

17:19 <FreeLarry58> i know that feeling PovAddict

17:21 <xcamel> btw - repete is running nicely

17:23 <FreeLarry58> how did you figure out how to get its name reported - my c2d still shows localhost.localdomain dispite all attempts to edit

17:24 <FreeLarry58> everytime i restart boinc it goes back

17:25 <FreeLarry58> when i boot up it shows the correct name for machine (frlar2)

17:25 <Romulus> my old computer had its yearly de-dusting :-)

17:25 * FreeLarry58 looks like Romulus is cleaning out his mind again

17:25 <wdsmia_w> on the road again...bbl

17:25 <FreeLarry58> tc wdsmia

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17:45 <CoderForLife> re-hi

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17:56 <VersionBot> Latest BOINC version for Windows: 5.10.41

17:56 <MTughan> ...

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17:56 <Romulus> looks like a million credits a day..

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17:56 <PovAddict> is freenode having trouble, or is it just my client?

17:56 <MTughan> Netsplits.

17:56 <MTughan> * PovAddict left the chat room. (

17:56 <MTughan> Tank_Master'd like that...

17:58 <PovAddict> &ping

17:58 <Romulus> pong

18:03 <xcamel> &ding

18:03 <Romulus> DONG!

18:04 <xcamel> kornbluth was going down for maint. at 21:00

18:06 <MTughan> 21:00 what?

18:07 <xcamel> whatever timezone kornbluth is in..

18:07 <MTughan> If that was just about 10 minutes ago, that's in the Atlantic.

18:08 <xcamel> out in the bermuda triangle...

18:09 <MTughan> Dinner time...

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18:15 <xcamel> wb

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18:29 * KathrynM is back (gone 08:39:01)

18:29 <KathrynM> *groan*

18:29 <KathrynM> mornin

18:29 <Bad_At_Home> evening kat

18:31 <KathrynM> I'll switch.  I'll take your evening and you can have my morning

18:33 <VersionBot> Latest BOINC version for Windows: 5.10.42

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18:38 <wdsmia> brb

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18:39 <MTughan> Whoa... Seems there was some LHC work not too long ago.

18:39 <MTughan> Nothing now.

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18:48 <xcamel> mornin

18:49 <MTughan> How&apos;s that?

18:49 <Romulus> <> (at

18:50 <MTughan> How's that?

18:50 <Romulus> <> (at

18:50 <MTughan> That's better...

18:52 <KathrynM> wow.  that looks good

18:52 <MTughan> Anyway, I think that it's coming along.

18:53 <MTughan> Just the background...

18:53 <KathrynM> The only thing that looks sorta weird is the dark grey line dividing the two parts of the background

18:53 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm still working on the BG.

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19:41 <xcamel> that has got to be a real pain...

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19:55 <Bad_At_Home> 'lo Jay

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20:00 <MTughan> Hmm, not much security?

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20:02 <xcamel> unknown..

20:04 <zombie67> bbl

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20:08 <xcamel> woah... suddenly boincmgr picked up a gnome theme...

20:08 <xcamel> that's really weird..

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20:21 <xcamel>

20:22 <MTughan> What, the skin?

20:22 <xcamel> yup

20:23 <MTughan> It's Emerald. I've seen it before.

20:23 <xcamel> never seen that one before..

20:23 <MTughan> And the Compiz Fusion icon is in the taskbar.

20:23 <xcamel> it's never taken on a skin before, I should say

20:23 <xcamel> boincmgr, that is..

20:24 <MTughan> It skins all apps.

20:25 <xcamel> point - it never has before - not mgr, anyway..

20:32 <xcamel> and I gave an entirely different skin turned on...

20:41 <PovAddict> the titlebar buttons look similar to a skin I had for Windoze

20:53 <xcamel> it's just odd

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21:27 <efc> My new RAM came in.. one bad stick so far :(

21:27 <PovAddict> o_O

21:28 <efc> One of the others would only work in a certain slot...

21:29 <efc> At least I learned what happens when ECC finds an error

21:30 <efc> Bluescreen.. (improvement ?!)

21:30 <xcamel> wattch buildi9ng?

21:31 <xcamel> 'buildi9ng' -- yeah, right

21:31 <xcamel> building..

21:32 <Tank_Master> for ECC to work, both the mobo and the memory stick need to support it

21:32 <Tank_Master> and it needs to be enabled in the bios

21:32 <efc> Yes, its all ECC, all turned on.

21:32 <Tank_Master> just having ECC RAM wont get you ECC

21:32 <Tank_Master> good

21:33 <Tank_Master> but ECC doesnt correct all errors

21:33 <efc> One stick worked, the other didn't (will run Memtest soon and test the ()#$# out of them)

21:33 <Tank_Master> :)

21:33 <Tank_Master> good idea

21:34 <efc> I have one system so old the 2nd generation of RAM is going bad.. It seems to start going bad after 10 year or so

21:34 <Tank_Master> whats in it?

21:34 <Tank_Master> (type of ram)

21:36 <efc> That one is a 30 pin SIMM type

21:36 <Tank_Master> ahh

21:36 <Tank_Master> I only have 72pin

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21:36 <efc> Also, I have an Intel Aboveboard that fails a few more chips (DIPs) every time I fire it up

21:37 <efc> Those are about 20 years old. Lots of them are marginal, will pass or fail depending on what day it is.

21:37 <efc> And with 72 chips on there, that keeps you busy..

21:39 <Tank_Master> lol

21:39 <Tank_Master> no thx

21:39 <Tank_Master> y not toss it?

21:42 <efc> Its sort of a unique hard to find item

21:43 <Tank_Master> good reason to get rid of it

21:43 <efc> if you want to max out the RAM in an old system

21:43 <efc> 72 DIPs.. 2 megs

21:43 <PovAddict> lol

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21:56 <efc> Also picked up a P200 to help out my old system with a WU.. speed it up a little :) then stick the old cpu back in there..

22:00 <xcamel> laterz..

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22:08 <zombie67> anyone tried out 42 yet?

22:08 <PovAddict> ?

22:08 <PovAddict> boinc 5.10.42?

22:08 <PovAddict> I haven't

22:08 <PovAddict> &windows

22:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: "windows" could be

22:08 <PovAddict> &factoid change windows 1 s/41/42/

22:08 <Romulus> No idea!

22:08 <PovAddict> &factoids change windows 1 s/41/42/

22:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

22:09 <PovAddict> &factoids change win64 1 s/41/42/

22:09 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

22:15 <Soul_keeper>    there is something wrong with my truck

22:15 <Romulus> Title: Sheet1 (at

22:15 <Soul_keeper> getting 30% worse gas mileage all of a sudden

22:17 <zombie67> rom thinks 42 is the final for 5.10

22:17 <PovAddict> he followed up saying there will be a .43 in a week, updating translation files

22:21 <zombie67> really?  I didn't see that on the lists

22:21 <PovAddict> ah I think it went to the translator list only

22:21 <Romulus> I'm moving my project

22:25 <zombie67> does PG run in high priority all the time?

22:25 <PovAddict> o_o

22:26 <PovAddict> you mean process priority?

22:26 <PovAddict> or the workunits?

22:26 <PovAddict> I never got that with PG

22:26 <zombie67> Status says "Running, high priority"

22:26 <PovAddict> means deadline trouble

22:26 <PovAddict> what's your connection interval setting?

22:26 <zombie67> I know that.

22:27 <zombie67> 0

22:27 <PovAddict> you sure you don't have local settings overriding it?

22:27 <zombie67> yes

22:27 <PovAddict> you sure QCN didn't hijack that setting?

22:27 <Soul_keeper> bla

22:27 <zombie67> yes

22:27 <PovAddict> do you have work from other projects?

22:27 <zombie67> yes

22:27 <PovAddict> what OS are you on?

22:27 <zombie67> XP64

22:28 <zombie67> it dowloads work, and then imeediately goes into panic mode

22:28 <zombie67> but only for PG

22:28 <PovAddict> command prompt

22:28 <PovAddict> cd C:\program files\BOINC (or wherever it's installed)

22:29 <zombie67> ok

22:30 <PovAddict> boinccmd --get_results > results.txt & notepad results.txt

22:30 <PovAddict> copy/type the line exactly like that; then copy everything from the notepad that

22:30 <PovAddict> opened into or something

22:30 <Romulus> yeah stop by my side and a cig lighter

22:30 <PovAddict> [weird, why did that wrap...]

22:30 <zombie67> can't copy/paste

22:31 <zombie67> this is a remote machine via vnc

22:31 <PovAddict> well if you press Ctrl-C it would copy to the clipboard on that machine, right?

22:31 <PovAddict> open a browser there, put it there... as long as you can copy the final link from pastebin

22:31 <zombie67> lemme email it to myself

22:36 <zombie67>

22:36 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 903275 (at

22:36 <PovAddict> a CPDN unit waiting to run?

22:37 <zombie67>

22:37 <PovAddict> and LOTS of ABC

22:37 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 903277 (at

22:37 <zombie67> yeah

22:37 <PovAddict> &math convert 7208.157146 seconds to hours

22:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2.00226587389

22:37 <zombie67> about 20 ABC.  all est at 2 hours

22:38 <PovAddict> could be all those ABC then...

22:38 <zombie67> no.  due date 02/21

22:38 <zombie67> 20x2= 40 hours

22:38 <zombie67> 20 hours/proc

22:40 <zombie67> about 80 PG WUs at 6 min per = 480 min /2 proc = 240 min = 4 hours.

22:42 <zombie67> plus about 7 tsp at 25 min per, and a couple of LHC

22:42 <zombie67> plus that one CPDN Beta 2 WU, due a year from now

22:43 <zombie67> my settings are 0 connect time plus 1 day additional work.  And that is about what I actually have in the queue

22:43 <PovAddict> well I dunno already

22:43 <PovAddict> if you really want to know, send your paste to John McLeod, he's the client scheduler guy...

22:44 <zombie67> not that bad.  Just wondering if this behavior is being seen by anyone else running PG.

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22:52 <zombie67> &weather 94568

22:52 <zombie67> er

22:53 <zombie67> where does it pull the data from anyway?

22:53 <PovAddict> I'm not sure; it has more than one datasource afaik

22:54 <zombie67> trees are sideways here!

22:54 <zombie67> wind came out of nowhere!

22:55 <zombie67> brb

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22:58 <zombie67> ug.  BS is slow

22:59 <MTughan> Could be in the middle of an incremental upda2008-02-13T23:02:06  <PovAddict> differing OS string

23:02 <MTughan> That stops it?

23:02 <PovAddict> yep...

23:02 <MTughan> Ouch...

23:02 <zombie67> ooh!  I *can*

23:02 <MTughan> Hot off the CPU.

23:02 <Romulus> <> (at

23:02 <zombie67> at least on modern projects

23:03 <MTughan> That should help with the subdivisions, make it seem more like true curves.

23:03 <zombie67> the older projects don't allow that....and there are a LOT that are old

23:04 <zombie67> time to do my periodical merge at all projects

23:04 <zombie67> mid 80s of them now

23:04 <PovAddict> 80 projects?

23:05 <zombie67>

23:05 <Romulus> <> (at

23:05 <Romulus> the client which lost my BOINC wrapper to work on the web stuff is selling..

23:05 <MTughan> Aiee...

23:05 <zombie67> 82.  but that's old.  up to 84 now

23:05 <PovAddict> holy crap!

23:06 <zombie67> many dead.  But still, well over 60 active

23:06 <PovAddict> also, I see you have a Test Project, at

23:06 <PovAddict> see PM

23:06 <PovAddict> owner is a total boinc noob though

23:07 <zombie67> there are several still called "test project"

23:07 <zombie67> default BOINC install

23:08 <MTughan> PovAddict: Can you see the lines on the latest render?

23:09 <zombie67> brb

23:12 <zombie67> back

23:13 <zombie67> the good news is that only about 2/3 are on BS.  Those are the ones that matter for merging

23:16 <zombie67> new pic on the cosmo homepage!

23:16 <Romulus> Title: Cosmology@Home (at

23:16 <zombie67> that is a BIG uotd

23:17 <PovAddict> image shows tiny for me

23:17 <Romulus> thinks Romulus would say Resistance Is Futile

23:17 <zombie67> really?  Fills up the page for me

23:19 <zombie67> why does the processor desc change 32 vs 64 bit??

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23:20 <MTughan> 'lo e

23:20 <efc> remoo

23:20 <zombie67> Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 6 Stepping 2]

23:20 <zombie67> Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz [EM64T Family 15 Model 6 Stepping 2]

23:21 <MTughan> Architecture.

23:21 <zombie67> older projects can't handle that

23:21 <zombie67> but its the same chip!

23:21 <MTughan> But one is a 32-bit OS and sees the processor as such.

23:21 <zombie67> exactly!  The difference is the OS!

23:21 <zombie67> the proc desc should not change

23:22 <MTughan> A 64-bit processor seems like a 32-bit processor to a 32-bit OS, so there's not much you can do abut it.

23:22 <MTughan> about*

23:23 <MTughan> Because it's the OS that reports the processor, not BOINC.

23:23 <zombie67> BUT!

23:23 <zombie67> there are two things reported

23:23 <zombie67> CPU and OS

23:23 <zombie67> they should be independent

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23:24 <MTughan> Maybe there was a 32-bit Pentium D 3.4GHz. How do you tell the 32-bit from the 64-bit?

23:24 <efc> What does cpuz say..

23:24 <zombie67> that was the same chip, reported by BOINC under XP32, the XP64


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