IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-02-18

00:00 <MTughan> Might have to save up a bit more just to get the 2GB stick... More than double than what I was looking at.

00:01 <MTughan> Oh, not good...

00:01 <MTughan> &cad

00:01 <Romulus>

00:04 <Tank_Master> gaa

00:04 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:04 <Romulus>

00:05 <Tank_Master> ill brb

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00:44 <MTughan> I don't know how much I missed. Colloquy was frozen for a while.

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02:05 <MTughan> Off to bed...

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03:02 <efc> &8ball

03:02 <Romulus> efc: You're kidding, right?

03:03 <efc> &8b

03:03 <Romulus> efc: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.

03:03 <efc> &8b

03:03 <Romulus> efc: About as likely as pigs flying.

03:03 <efc> &cad

03:03 <Romulus>

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04:55 <CoderForLife> plink

04:56 <CoderForLife> plink

04:57 <CoderForLife> plink

04:58 <CoderForLife> plink

05:03 <clusty> whats with these?

05:04 <CoderForLife> attempts to hack into FTP service

05:05 <clusty> brazil e always there

05:05 <clusty> i installed some cool thingy

05:05 <clusty> called fail2ban

05:05 <clusty> it greps the logs

05:05 <CoderForLife> "plink" is our #boinc word of "block these in your iptables"

05:05 <Romulus> Do you have to shoot his ISP

05:05 <CoderForLife> "plink" is the sound a blocked access makes

05:05 <clusty> lool

05:05 <CoderForLife> I use ossec

05:06 <clusty> ossec is what?

05:06 <CoderForLife> hids = host intrusion detection system

05:07 <CoderForLife>

05:07 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to the Home of OSSEC (at

05:07 <clusty> found

05:07 <clusty> i use fail2ban

05:07 <clusty> snort

05:07 <clusty> and tripwire

05:08 <clusty> problem is my users constantly get themselves out

05:08 <clusty> punch in wrong passoword

05:08 <CoderForLife> need some breakfast - bbiab

05:20 <clusty> PovAddict, hey

05:22 <KathrynM> too early for him :-)  He's probably blissfully asleep.

05:22 <KathrynM> Evenin' clusty

05:23 <clusty> hey

05:23 <clusty> mor like morning :D

05:23 <clusty> more*

05:24 <KathrynM> heh.  I'm just finishing up dinner

05:31 <clusty> :D

05:31 <clusty> started my day 2 hours ago

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06:11 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

06:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 34.5F / 1.4C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy. A slight chance of snow showers this morning...then a chance of snow showers this afternoon. Near steady temperatures in the mid 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 35 this afternoon. Chance of snow 40 percent.; (1 more message)

06:11 <CoderForLife> &more

06:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow showers in the evening. Lows 15 to 20. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Highs around 30. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

06:24 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 13F / -11C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1012hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Colder. Occasional flurries. High 10 to 15. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph. Wind chill readings 5 to 10 below.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Low zero to 5 below. (1 more message)

06:24 <wdsmia> &more

06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Wind chill readings around 15 below.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Very cold. Scattered flurries in the morning...then a chance of light snow in the afternoon. High in the lower 20s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of snow 30 percent.;

06:32 <hawmps> 'lo

06:32 <clusty> hey

06:33 <hawmps> ip kill >>

07:02 <CoderForLife> morning

07:03 <CoderForLife> did you see my plinks this morning hawmps?

07:11 * CoderForLife disconnects from workstation, and continues working on laptop downstairs

08:03 <hawmps> didn't see them

08:04 <hawmps> ah.. got it.

08:05 <KathrynM> hmmm...  this has got to be the dumbest question I've ever asked.  But anyone who knows Linux stuff...  If a burn a CD with some jpgs on it, my boss will be able to open it on a Windows computer, right?

08:05 * KathrynM puts on flame proof suit and hides in a corner

08:08 <hawmps> yup, he will..

08:08 <KathrynM> thanks hawmps

08:09 <KathrynM> I keep forgetting to send these stupid pictures to her.  They're of her students and she wants to send them to the parents.

08:16 <clusty> KathrynM, its same filesys

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08:17 <clusty> the CD one

08:17 <clusty> ...unless you try hard :D

08:17 <clusty> what app do you use to burn stuff?

08:20 <KathrynM> k3b

08:20 <KathrynM> But I've only ever burned an iso with it :)

08:20 <KathrynM> And never underestimate my ability to screw stuff up

08:29 <clusty> k3b is quite nice

08:29 <clusty> my choice as well

08:30 <KathrynM> Hopefully it burned ok.  I've got some el-cheapo CDs.  I should have stolen a few from work.

08:37 <clusty> :D

08:37 <clusty> vincereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

08:37 <clusty> ha haaa damn boinc client

08:37 <clusty> i conquered you :D

08:37 <KathrynM> :)

08:38 <clusty> after one whole week of frustration found the bypassing stuff

08:38 <clusty> :D

08:38 <KathrynM> holy crap!  how did my DCF for maleria baloon to 15.5?

08:38 <clusty> DCF?

08:38 <clusty> whats that?

08:38 <KathrynM> Duration Correction Factor

08:39 * KathrynM scratches head

08:39 <KathrynM> Oh well.  I'll let it adjust itself back to normal.

08:39 <KathrynM> I don't feel like editing xml tonight

08:39 <clusty> whats that good for?

08:40 <clusty> to change time estimates on how task takes?

08:40 <KathrynM> yeah

08:40 <KathrynM> If a project sends work out with bad flops estimates the DCF will kick in to give the scheduler a more realistic picture of how long work will take.

08:41 <KathrynM> It goes up really fast and comes back down really slowly.

08:41 <clusty> does it take into account how much you use your PC?

08:42 <clusty> since afterall boinc has lowest nice value

08:42 <KathrynM> No.  It's a ratio of predicted time to completion (given flops estimate and benchmarks) and actual time to compeltion

08:42 <KathrynM> So mine of 15 means it took 15x longer than predicted by the flops estimate and my benchmarks

08:42 <clusty> well actual time depends on how much you crunch yourself

08:42 <KathrynM> Uptime and such go into work fetch calculations though.

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08:43 <KathrynM> I swear there are only a handful of people who understand the scheduler.  And I'm not one of them.

08:43 <clusty> anyways the boinc benchmarks are not really most accurate measures on crunching power

08:43 <KathrynM> definitely not.

08:43 <clusty> its just sheer power

08:44 <clusty> no mmx and blah accounted for

08:44 <KathrynM> yup.

08:44 <KathrynM> And on that note, I'm going to bed before I fall asleep on the keyboard.  Toeday was a long day.

08:44 <KathrynM> Today even...

08:44 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

08:45 <Romulus> Anyway, #boinc-credit was supposed to be physically there to change permission so I haven't crunched that many years ago - everything was crashing..

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08:56 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

08:56 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 18.1F / -7.7C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 23.62in / 799.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 3.1mph / 5.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 52. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 19 to 27. Light winds.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. Highs 46 to 52. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph late (1 more message)

08:57 <Bad_At_Home> &more

08:57 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: in the afternoon.;

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12:01 <CoderForLife> _o/

12:02 <CoderForLife> \o_

12:02 <MTughan> 'lo CoderForLife

12:02 <Romulus> Anyway, I must increase target_nresuts and set transitioner_time to UNIX_TIMESTAMP()

12:02 <CoderForLife> hello Michael

12:02 <CoderForLife> how's things up "Toranta"-way?

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12:03 <MTughan> Were icey yesterday.

12:04 <MTughan> Still a bit down there.

12:07 <CoderForLife> light snow flurries ATM - I have the day off for President's Day - working on things in the basement - trying to get the rest of the stuff out of the boxes from moving almost 2 years ago

12:07 <CoderForLife> a fool's errand, to be sure

12:07 <CoderForLife> bbl

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12:19 <sethy> good morning/afternoon/evening all

12:19 <MTughan> 'lo sethy

12:19 <sethy> Hows the chan been since i last popped round?

12:22 <Soul_keeper> k

12:22 <sethy> k

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12:32 <PovAddict> o/

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12:59 <wdsmia_w> &weather 50319

12:59 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 11F / -12C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Blowing Snow | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 26mph / 43km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy. Isolated light snow showers late in the morning...then occasional flurries in the afternoon. Breezy. Much colder. High around 10. Northwest wind 20 to 25 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent. Wind chill readings 5 to (1 more message)

12:59 <wdsmia_w> &more

12:59 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: 10 below.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Wind chill readings 15 to 20 below.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Very cold. Scattered flurries in the morning...then a chance of light snow in the afternoon. High in the lower 20s. West wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of snow 30 percent.;

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13:28 <Soul_keeper> that fat idiot they replaced bob barker with is a bore

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13:41 <MTughan> Drew Carey?

13:41 <cactaur> YES!

13:41 <MTughan> Couldn't remember his name, or you feel strongly about the issue? :P

13:42 <Soul_keeper> heh

13:42 <MTughan> He probably did better on Whose Line is it Anyway.

13:44 <Soul_keeper> he did that stupid show a few years back about cleveland ohio, where he had that fat clown chick

13:44 <Soul_keeper> was a big flop

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14:03 <MTughan> Gotta restart...

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14:03 <Romulus> been roaming for like 2 weeks lol :)

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14:27 <hawmps> w00t

14:36 <cactaur> Wasn't that a word of the year?

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15:04 <hawmps> probably...

15:11 <MTughan> Hmm... I can't attach to BURP.

15:12 <MTughan> Everything looks up.

15:13 <sethy> is it possible to set center horizontal alignment in CSS?

15:13 <freelarry> been sending wu's in and getting new so should be - but did have to restart boinc to get communications with burp a few days ago MTughan

15:14 <MTughan> Okay, I can try that...

15:14 <MTughan> sethy: align: center should do the trick.

15:15 <sethy> MTughan: Problem, It doesn't.

15:15 <MTughan> Where?

15:15 <PovAddict> sethy: that depends on a lot of things

15:15 <MTughan> freelarry: Thanks, attached.

15:15 <sethy> PovAddict: like?

15:15 <PovAddict> that also depends

15:15 <PovAddict> XD

15:15 <PovAddict> if you set align:center on a paragraph, the text will be centered

15:16 <sethy> div{} ?

15:16 <MTughan> LHC work!

15:16 <PovAddict> if you set align:center on an image, I don't think it will do anything

15:16 <PovAddict> a div's width by default is the whole page, so centering it won't do any good

15:16 <freelarry> yeah MTughan seems like whenever burp has problems boinc needs restarted after they get back up

15:16 <PovAddict> you could say it's already centered... :P

15:16 <sethy> you know like <div align=center>

15:17 <MTughan> align parameters are deprecated.

15:17 <MTughan> <div style="align: center;">

15:17 <PovAddict> 'align' CSS property doesn't exist at all

15:17 <sethy> i'll just leave the html to align it center

15:17 <MTughan> Oh, right... It's text-align.

15:17 <sethy> there is position: and left:

15:18 <MTughan> And I think I have used text-align on an image successfully.

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15:18 <PovAddict> sethy: try text-align

15:18 <sethy> but i have tables and images so i dont see it working well for my assignment

15:18 <MTughan> Just try it.

15:19 <sethy> nope

15:19 <sethy> nothing

15:19 <sethy> like i said earlier, i'll just leave the html

15:19 <MTughan> Ow... Just had three BURP tasks fail in quick succession.

15:19 <MTughan> The 4th I had is running.

15:21 <sethy> these malaria work units are taking a long time to crunch

15:21 <sethy> when they are done, i will abandon this box for the new DC one

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15:24 <sethy> this looks nice

15:24 <Romulus> <> (at

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15:24 <sethy> it has flashy LED's

15:26 <sethy> reacting to activity

15:26 <Romulus> but not quite right

15:29 <sethy> and my sound drivers seems to have disapeared again

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15:59 * PovAddict has two LHC workunits

16:12 <freelarry> lol they been filtering in here over last few days PovAddict

16:13 <freelarry> PovAddict how are the POEM wu's?

16:13 <PovAddict> never ran POEM

16:14 <freelarry> oh thought i saw you on the team there but could be with 0 - just joined to give it a try

16:14 <PovAddict> I created account and joined team as soon as it appeared, but I never attached any client

16:14 <freelarry> ahh

16:14 <PovAddict> just getting an account before account creation is closed, as I do on most projects

16:15 <freelarry> few machines that have attached show approx 10 hr wu's

16:16 * freelarry guesses its time to do dailies and then start buffing out the garage floor and waxing the rest of house floors - any youngsters want to help ;)

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16:17 <xcamel> re-hi

16:17 <freelarry> wb xcamel your timing impecable as always

16:17 <xcamel> lol

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16:17 <xcamel> just finished chored being a bachelor this week...

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16:18 <freelarry> ohh that could be fun - at least till the better half finds out xcamel

16:18 <efc> Finished working on the fence

16:18 <freelarry> off for my chores

16:21 <xcamel> hell - she's and my daughter are off having fun in Italy this week

16:21 <Romulus> any project runners around here?

16:21 <MTughan> Project runners?

16:21 <xcamel> indeed..

16:23 <efc> had some fun running around in the Gator working on the fence

16:23 <xcamel> was there some lhc work floating around?

16:23 <PovAddict> there was yeah

16:23 <MTughan> Gone for a while.

16:23 <xcamel> figures.. probably gone now..

16:23 <PovAddict> there still is a little bit, gotta be lucky to get it

16:23 <PovAddict> there's like 20 left

16:24 <MTughan> PovAddict: Since when?

16:24 <PovAddict> now 30

16:24 <xcamel> just got 2

16:24 <MTughan> Oh...

16:24 <PovAddict> now 19

16:30 <xcamel> got enough..

16:31 <efc> the WUs xcamel goes through would probably saturate my poor modem 24/7...

16:34 <xcamel> I only ever get one or two lhc's they must think I have enough credits..

16:34 <PovAddict> I got two

16:34 <PovAddict> then two more

16:34 <MTughan> Two here.

16:35 <Romulus> There is one of these 70000 votes go in

16:35 <PovAddict> once the first one had finished, I tried suspending proteins@home to crunch full-time LHC

16:35 <PovAddict> the latter two finished in 10 seconds <_<

16:35 <MTughan> And those two just crashed...

16:35 <MTughan> Not even short WUs, it's a computation error.

16:38 <xcamel> mine were 5 secs - no error

16:38 <MTughan> BURP WUs are crashing too...

16:38 <MTughan> RS seems fine.

16:39 <xcamel> for some weird reason qmc's constantly crash on the laptop..

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16:59 <freelarry> MTughan are the burp units crashing on linux only? have one linux machine where all crash and another where they run fine - don't know what the difference is as both the same os

16:59 <MTughan> Yeah, Linux machine. Fedora Core 7 on a P4.

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17:00 <freelarry> yeah f8 myself c2d running them but c2q ccrashing them

17:00 <freelarry> ubantu runs them fine on old cele

17:00 <MTughan> I was planning on upgrading to a C2Q with F8 64-bit later on.

17:00 <MTughan> Or F9.

17:01 <freelarry> they nice

17:01 <MTughan> It's a big step, from a P4 HT to a C2Q.

17:01 <freelarry> yeah

17:01 <freelarry> about 450 for my last upgrade

17:02 <MTughan> I'm looking at at least $800 for all the parts.

17:02 <freelarry> my c2d mb can support the quad so considering it

17:02 <freelarry> 450 was mb, memory and ps only

17:02 <MTughan> CPU, RAM, MB, GPU.

17:03 <MTughan> Yeah, estimated at $837 with tax right now.

17:03 <freelarry> yah forgot to mention cpu

17:03 <freelarry> i just reused my gpu

17:03 <MTughan> I would too, but it's an AGP card.

17:04 <freelarry> not into a lot of gaming and was a pci-e so not to far out of date

17:04 <MTughan> Mainstream Intel integrated GPUs are still below the ATI Radeon 9600 I have.

17:04 <freelarry> ouch haven't seen any mb still suporting agp

17:04 <MTughan> Even though it's three and a half years old now.

17:05 <freelarry> i think the newest i have is a 8500

17:05 <MTughan> Intel should probably consider that: a three and a half year old ATI graphics card is faster than their X3500 series GPUs.

17:05 <freelarry> oldest is the 4x agp on this machine

17:06 <MTughan> I have two graphics cards: 8x AGP ATI AIW Radeon 9600XT and an Intel GMA950.

17:06 <Romulus> wonders where CoderOnTheCouch is

17:06 * freelarry sees the wife has used to much soap on garage floor - getting lots of foam generated with just water and buffer

17:06 <MTughan> To replace the GPU, I'm looking at the ATI Radeon HD2600 XT. Just over $100.

17:07 <freelarry> not bad

17:07 <MTughan> That's actually the cheapest part I have here. :P

17:07 <freelarry> i normally look at vid cards in 80 to 120 range myself

17:07 <MTughan> The RAM (4GB of Mushkin) is $110. MB is $240 for an ASUS P5E.

17:08 <MTughan> That's also based on the Intel X38 chipset, so quite new.

17:08 <freelarry> ouch my mb only ran me 100

17:08 <freelarry> memory was 140

17:08 <freelarry> rest was cpu

17:08 <MTughan> Well, I'm still considering dropping to a P35 chipset.

17:08 <freelarry> and 100 ps

17:08 <MTughan> How much for CPU?

17:09 <freelarry> p35 works nicely with f8

17:09 <freelarry> got on sale for 220

17:09 <MTughan> I'm looking at $285 for C2Q Q6600.

17:09 <MTughan> Maybe I can get it better somewhere else...

17:09 <freelarry> sane cpu - prices went up this month seeing them for 290

17:10 <freelarry> same

17:10 <MTughan> Really? Ouch...

17:10 <freelarry> if i had known that i would have got 2 when i got the one

17:11 <freelarry> is the quad

17:11 <Romulus> <> (at

17:12 <MTughan> Wow... Not much improvement over the C2D...

17:12 <Romulus> <> (at

17:13 <MTughan> Unless that's just a core-by-core basis.

17:13 <PovAddict> benchmarks are per-core

17:13 <MTughan> That explains it. So a 2.0GHz to a 2.4GHz.

17:14 <freelarry> is the dual - a little faster

17:14 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:14 <MTughan> 2.66GHz, yep.

17:14 <freelarry> dual is 2.66

17:14 <freelarry> qquad has twice the cores so much more credit per day

17:14 <freelarry> at about the same power usage

17:15 <MTughan> Cheapest I can get the C2Q looks like about $275...

17:15 <MTughan> $10 isn't that much to bother with.

17:16 <freelarry> nope

17:16 <MTughan> Even Tiger Direct is $290.

17:17 <MTughan> If only AMD's Phenom was better... 2.3GHz is $260.

17:18 <MTughan> 2.2GHz is $235.

17:18 <MTughan> Overall, it's about $40 cheaper to go with AMD.

17:18 <freelarry> c2d c2q amdx2 and ht 3.2 comparision

17:18 <Romulus> <> (at

17:19 <MTughan> Uh... Which is which?

17:19 <freelarry> c2d and c2q are the vertical in that order 3.2 was the top and the the x2 has the bump near end

17:20 <MTughan> Uh... Whatever.

17:21 <freelarry> yah a little hard as that the machine total credit comparision

17:21 <MTughan> RAC would be better.

17:22 <freelarry> basically highest to lowest rac is c2q c2d x2 then ht 3.2

17:22 <MTughan> Figures. :P

17:22 <freelarry>

17:22 <Romulus> <> (at

17:22 <freelarry> my host list

17:23 <PovAddict> would be cool if you could get a *RAC* comparison graph

17:23 <freelarry> maybe you should mention to willy

17:26 <xcamel> wow - that popped up fast...

17:28 <xcamel> lol - "This stats table is being updated. Please try again later..."

17:28 <freelarry> yah lots of partial updates during day

17:28 <xcamel> oh well..

17:28 <Romulus> saying something like this /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ext3 defaults 1 1 1 1

17:31 <MTughan> bbl

17:37 <efc> 2 miles, survived

17:41 <xcamel> like any landing you walk away from...

17:43 <efc> actually felt pretty good, its about 50 outside and windy

17:47 <xcamel> got up near 50 here today..

17:47 <efc> &weather 30625

17:47 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 55F / 13C | Humidity: 38% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1012hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 30s. West winds up to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Sunny...windy. Highs around 60. West winds 10 to 20 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest winds up to 10 mph.;

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17:50 <wdsmia> re-hi

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17:55 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:56 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

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17:58 <PovAddict> testing alias

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18:05 <xcamel> well.. it was warm, now it's not.

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18:09 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

18:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 7F / -14C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1019hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 22mph / 35km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Patchy blowing snow in the evening. Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Wind chill readings around 15 below.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Very cold. Scattered (1 more message)

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18:10 <wdsmia> &more

18:10 <Romulus> wdsmia: flurries in the morning...then a chance of snow in the afternoon. High around 15. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Scattered flurries in the evening. Low 5 to 10 below. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Wind chill readings 15 below to 25 below zero.;

18:15 <xcamel> ouch..

18:15 <xcamel> I hope that modifies a bit before it gets here..

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18:16 <wdsmia> its a bit brisk out there

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18:19 <xcamel> brisk I can do. frigid I hate.

18:22 <wdsmia> look at the bright side, I bet your not feeling half as bad about your temp

18:24 <xcamel> point taken.

18:26 <xcamel> not much going on boinc-wise....

18:30 <wdsmia> MC is screwed again/still

18:31 <wdsmia> 2/18/2008 4:51:09 PM| beta|Message from server: Server can't open database

18:35 <xcamel> real malaria control is called DDT

18:36 <wdsmia> :)

18:36 <Romulus> I have to scale it up. Her fur's quite warm.

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18:41 * KathrynM is back (gone 09:56:36)

18:41 <KathrynM> Mornin'

18:41 <wdsmia> WB Kathryn

18:41 <KathrynM> Pirates seems to be down.

18:42 <wdsmia> yep

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18:50 <xcamel> 'lo Kathryn

18:50 <KathrynM> hi ya xcamel

18:51 <KathrynM> hmmmmmmmm....  my guinea pig is going absolutely nuts.  wonder what her problem is

18:51 <PovAddict> what are you using her for?

18:51 <PovAddict> to test what?

18:51 <PovAddict> :P

18:51 <KathrynM> she's eating the new food I put down like there's no tomorrow.  You'd think I never feed her :/

18:51 <KathrynM> and every time I look at her, she runs into her hiding spot.

18:52 <xcamel> you in an earthquake zone?

18:52 <KathrynM> yup.  crazy little animal.  Just like her owner

18:52 <KathrynM> dunno.  Is Korea prone to earthquakes?

18:52 <xcamel> NK is prone to butthead dictators... otherwise, I'd have to go look...

18:53 <KathrynM> well that I knew

18:53 <xcamel> it was more of a joke than anything --

18:53 <KathrynM> perhaps it's the bad 80s music I"m listening to atm

18:53 <KathrynM> Yeah, I knew you were joking.

18:53 <xcamel> that would do it...

18:53 <xcamel> hair bands..

18:54 <Romulus> Mem: 1012 973 38 0 44 471

18:56 <KathrynM> yo PovAddict ...  your response to that guy in the "boinc in the news thread" was so much clearer than mine :)  thanks

18:57 <xcamel> nope - not in a 'zone'

18:57 <wdsmia> Talking about strange pets.. the dog is chasing the cat is slow motion, nether one is getting above a slow walk

18:58 <xcamel> wow - ulsan is bigger than I thought

18:58 <KathrynM> yeah.  It's not too bad.

18:58 <KathrynM> I used to live in Yangsan.  That was a small place.  I think I was one of a half dozen foreigners there.

18:58 <xcamel> any nice beaches?

18:58 <KathrynM> Not too bad.

18:58 <KathrynM> I'm not a beach person tho.

18:59 * xcamel loves google earty

18:59 <xcamel> and earth, even.

18:59 <xcamel> keys jumping around again

18:59 <KathrynM>

18:59 <Romulus> <> (at

19:00 <KathrynM> Those are pics from the time I went to the East Sea.

19:02 <wdsmia> looks warm

19:03 <xcamel> the rocks are cool..

19:03 <xcamel> and even a cute picture of you...

19:03 <xcamel> looks like you had fun..

19:04 <PovAddict> plink

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19:06 <CoderForLife> thx for the plink PovAddict

19:06 <PovAddict> I'm getting quite a bit from 190.188.*.*

19:06 <PovAddict> because *I* am on that subnet

19:06 <KathrynM> I did have a good time :)

19:06 <Romulus> growing up is putting out a lot of things that usually make it a night.

19:06 <PovAddict> they try to h4x network-neighbors first, I guess

19:06 <PovAddict> Rommie.. wtf?

19:07 <KathrynM> best not to ask what rommie is thinking

19:07 <wdsmia> lol

19:11 <PovAddict> plink (portscan)

19:11 <PovAddict> tested like a hundred ports within a freaking second

19:12 <KathrynM> laters all

19:12 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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19:30 <freelarry> b

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19:31 <xcamel> wb

19:31 <freelarry> after much consideration looks like i'll have to spend between 5 to 10 thou to get garage floor fixed

19:31 <freelarry> wife has ben dumping raw woap on it far to long and doesn't look like it will clean out

19:32 <freelarry> bead blast surfaced and relay probably only solution

19:32 <freelarry> raw soap

19:33 <freelarry> unless you know something better to go over surface xcamel

19:33 <xcamel> garage floors are born to be ugly

19:33 <freelarry> yeah just not this ugly

19:33 <Romulus> "who will help me out?

19:33 <freelarry> Romulus look for CoderForLife

19:33 <Romulus> Wish I knew.

19:35 <freelarry> need to reseal garage floor surface but don't think the sealer will react well to all that soap in concrete

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19:35 <xcamel> etch it out then

19:35 <freelarry> humm acid?

19:35 <xcamel> muriatic

19:36 <freelarry> will check store tomorrow

19:36 <xcamel> there are some really good concrete cleaners

19:36 <xcamel> use with power washer

19:36 <xcamel> it'll look like new

19:37 <freelarry> lol yah got some here to use with buffer and stripping pad/brush but dried soap overpowers it

19:37 <freelarry> soap has soaked into concrete by at least a 1/16 inch

19:37 <xcamel> was it sealed before?

19:37 <freelarry> evidently not very well

19:39 <freelarry> probably go with an epoxy overcoat to get to looking better

19:39 <xcamel> high pressure wash will get it out.

19:40 <freelarry> humm will need someone else with squegee to help me tomorrow - got pressure washer here also

19:40 <freelarry> so still need to go to store

19:40 <Romulus> I found mencoder very useful for them... in some

19:41 <xcamel> it's got to be able to hit 1500 lbs or so..

19:41 <freelarry> yup 1800

19:41 <xcamel> with a #2 tip - narrow line

19:41 <freelarry> yup

19:42 <xcamel> go for it.

19:42 <freelarry> and watch the concrete chips fly

19:42 <xcamel> wear safety glasses.

19:42 <freelarry> always

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20:07 <xcamel> still there, Larry?

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20:09 <xcamel> just takes a long time to load..

20:09 <xcamel>

20:09 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:12 <freelarry> loking good xcamel

20:13 <xcamel> the top quad is 64 bit the other is 32

20:14 <xcamel> looks like a 25% gain or so

20:15 <freelarry> ahh

20:16 <freelarry> yah noticed the 64 bit on my systems getting better credit also

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20:46 <xcamel> the two boxes are identical

20:47 <xcamel> as far as hardware

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21:03 <xcamel> 'lo Mike

21:04 <Romulus> the wiki announcing it, Bryan's post on their forums

21:05 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

21:06 <xcamel> weather settle down up ther?

21:07 <MTughan> Nope. Still icy as hell.

21:07 <MTughan> That's rhetorical...

21:07 <PovAddict> hell isn't icy

21:07 <MTughan> Well, I had a hard time getting up some bridges. Even saw one guy in the guardrail.

21:07 <xcamel> was really nasty here this AM

21:08 <xcamel> dense fog - thick ice

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21:23 <MTughan> Guess we were too boring... :P

21:25 <xcamel> or something..

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21:39 <xcamel> 'lo Bryan

21:40 <MTughan> Hey Bry.

21:42 <freelarry> PovAddict depends on which level of 7734 you end up at

21:43 <PovAddict> ?

21:44 <freelarry> daunta's 7 levels

21:44 <xcamel> of hell?

21:44 <freelarry> yup

21:45 * freelarry is making the 8th level

21:45 <wdsmia> of this room... same diff :P

21:45 <MTughan> lol

21:47 <bryanUC> hello all

21:53 <MTughan> Riesel Sieve seems to generate a lot of points, even just on my Fedora machine.

21:53 <xcamel> laterz..

21:53 <MTughan> Bye Jay.

21:53 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

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21:54 <MTughan> bryanUC:

21:54 <Romulus> <> (at

21:54 <MTughan> RS is only running on my P4 Fedora system. The rest is from my 2GHz CD Mac.

21:54 <Romulus> had a dozen times

21:56 <MTughan> Why is Markov on anyway?

21:57 <PovAddict> because it's fun?

21:58 <wdsmia> Comic Relief

21:59 <bryanUC> MTughan: sieve or LLR

21:59 <MTughan> Not sure. It's just downloading tasks.

21:59 <bryanUC> heh

21:59 <bryanUC> if it was LLR, it could be that things validated

21:59 <MTughan> I have all LLR right now.

22:00 <bryanUC> yeah, that's probably why

22:00 <bryanUC> a batch validated

22:00 <freelarry>

22:00 <Romulus> <> (at

22:00 <MTughan> All right, how about this one?

22:00 <Romulus> <> (at

22:01 <MTughan> I've been getting tons of RS recently.

22:01 <bryanUC> heh

22:02 <bryanUC> shh...we're giving out free credits ;)

22:02 <MTughan> Don't tell Tank_Master... :P

22:02 <bryanUC> check your pending tasks full is it

22:02 <MTughan> He want his 1000 free creds from TSP.

22:03 <MTughan> Nothing in the pending.

22:03 <freelarry>

22:03 <Romulus> <> (at

22:03 <MTughan> Crunching a lot of Sudoku...

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22:03 <bryanUC> heh, then you won't get credit for a bit

22:03 <bryanUC> see

22:03 <bryanUC> the world balances out

22:03 <bryanUC> ;)

22:04 <MTughan> Yeah, now that I have LHC and BURP work, but my machine could go through 4 RS tasks/day.

22:04 <freelarry> lol have tsp yoyo abc also

22:05 <freelarry> just started poem today

22:05 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:53:11)

22:05 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

22:05 <KathrynM> hiya

22:05 <freelarry>

22:05 <Romulus> <> (at

22:06 <bryanUC> MTughan: that P4 can do 4?

22:06 <freelarry> hi back KathrynM

22:06 <bryanUC> wow

22:06 <MTughan> Now I'm attached to Sudoku...

22:06 <MTughan> Yeah, P4 2.8GHz w/ HT enabled. ~11hrs each, two at a time.

22:06 <bryanUC> LLR is still below sieve...and actually, right around what my original target idea was

22:06 <freelarry> not taking anywhere close to that for rs on mine i think

22:06 <bryanUC> may be high, but I'm not overly concerned

22:08 <freelarry> bryanUC heres my host list for rs

22:08 <Romulus> <> (at

22:09 <freelarry> nothing really fully dedicated most machine running over 10 projects

22:10 <MTughan> The C2Q and C2D were just added recently?

22:10 <MTughan> Because I'd expect them to be ahead of the AMDs.

22:10 <freelarry> last month basically

22:11 <freelarry> the amd's have been withme for over a year

22:11 <bryanUC> freelarry: do you think the credit on those hosts is high? low? roughly right?

22:11 <MTughan> That would explain it.

22:11 <freelarry> really not paying a lot of attention but have noticed that claimed on most a lot less than granted

22:12 <freelarry> the c2's are both running 64 bit os's and boinc - the amd while 64 bit os is 32 bit boinc other amd is 32 os and 32 boinc

22:13 <MTughan> Hmm... bryanUC: Thinking I might take another stab at sieve for OS X. But using an Xcode project instead of doing command-line GCC.

22:13 <MTughan> I could also try the Intel compiler.

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22:21 <MTughan> bryanUC: Do you know what hash-*.S does?

22:24 <bryanUC> no

22:24 <PovAddict> MTughan: do you have any machine attached to IMP *and* that has crunched something from the last batch?

22:25 <bryanUC> I don't know much about the inner workings of the sieve

22:25 <MTughan> PovAddict: I don't think so.

22:31 <MTughan> bryanUC: Sieve uses a BOINC wrapper, right?

22:33 <bryanUC> yes

22:33 <bryanUC> both apps do

22:34 <MTughan> Good. I believe I have an Intel 32-bit build then.

22:34 <MTughan> And a PPC build, but they require a file change in between. Working on it...

22:36 <PovAddict> finally

22:36 <PovAddict> I modded IMP scheduler to send delete requests

22:36 <PovAddict> for *all* files

22:36 <PovAddict> so I need to remember to remove the hack when I send work :)

22:37 <freelarry> PovAddict imp not listed on boincstats

22:37 <PovAddict> and not exporting stats and with account creation closed

22:38 <PovAddict> it's just my testground

22:38 <freelarry> ahh

22:38 <freelarry> so is renderathome coming back then?

22:38 * PovAddict shrugs

22:39 <freelarry> lol - can understand

22:39 <MTughan> bryanUC: Okay, I can compile PPC and i686 sources with just a simple switch. Now to optimize the binaries a bit... Because I don't have any assembler sources for PPC, I'm having to use the C sources, and then optimize using AltiVec from there.

22:39 <MTughan> Also need to adjust the linking to make them run on earlier OS X versions.

22:41 <PovAddict>

22:41 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

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22:41 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

22:42 <MTughan> Hey, just got a Sieve app for RS compiled.

22:42 <PovAddict> \o/

22:42 <PovAddict> hey zombie67

22:43 <zombie67> hi!

22:43 <zombie67> MT, for the mac??

22:43 <MTughan> Yep. :D

22:43 <zombie67> OOOO!

22:43 <PovAddict> zombie67: I'm freeing some diskspace on your machines

22:43 <zombie67> yeah?  how so?

22:43 <PovAddict> all the old IMP datafiles getting deleted

22:44 <zombie67> I just got a notification from freenode that I have messages...all many weeks old!

22:45 <zombie67> ah

22:45 <PovAddict>

22:45 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

22:45 <zombie67> Wow.  My MBP runs at half the heat on the CPUs without te batter installed

22:45 <PovAddict> 013.naf was just deleted from two of your machines

22:46 <zombie67> cool

22:46 <zombie67> My MBP used to run at 80-90c.  Now at 45c

22:46 <zombie67> MT:  when will the app be released by RS?

22:47 <MTughan> Not sure, still trying to optimize. That was with no opts.

22:47 <MTughan> PovAddict: Have you heard of struct timeval before? Where is it defined?

22:48 <PovAddict> time.h

22:48 <zombie67> If RS is anything like PG, Sieve wil run much faster with 64 bit

22:49 <MTughan> This is just PPC and x86 for now. Gonna get those working, then 64-bit.

22:49 <zombie67> POV, is there more IMP work on the horizon?

22:49 <zombie67> 'kl

22:49 <zombie67> 'k

22:50 <zombie67> Wow!  No TM?!

22:51 <MTughan> All right, x86 and PPC compile fine with a few opts. Not sure how well they run though. bryanUC: Any way to test that?

22:51 <zombie67> malariacontrol:  Server can't open database

22:52 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

22:52 <PovAddict> you need some input file to test it

22:52 <PovAddict> and its corresponding output to compare

22:52 <MTughan> I know, but bryanUC has to provide it.

22:52 <Romulus> heh, wonder why anyone would've settled in areas where the centerfold is green-bar output of fstab or something.

22:54 <MTughan> PovAddict: There are two different 64-bit archs here. I know what x86_64 is, but what is x87_64?

22:55 <zombie67> Hah!:  "AFAIK, VTU is duplicating work I could do with pencil and paper."

22:56 <PovAddict> in admin's words; he's searching primes using the worst possible algorithm

22:56 <zombie67> Willy needs to stay out of the judging the value of projects.  Stat sites should be completely neutral.

22:56 <MTughan> zombie67: Willing to test the x86_64 version for me when I get an input file?

22:57 <zombie67> Unless te project admin doesn't want the stat sites to carry them, then they should carry them.  period.

22:57 <zombie67> MT:  sure.  Just not tonight.

22:57 <zombie67> Just got back from a road trip to Lake Tahoe

22:57 <MTughan> That's fine, I probably can't do it tonight anyway.

23:02 <zombie67> allprojectstats is now also running a project

23:03 <zombie67>

23:03 <Romulus> Title: 3x+1@home (at

23:03 <MTughan> Off for ~10 minutes...

23:03 <zombie67> linux 64 only for now

23:03 <PovAddict> wow strange

23:03 <PovAddict> starting with 64-bit :D

23:03 <PovAddict> decently-recent server software

23:05 <zombie67> yeah, has the links for account and message boards at the bottom

23:05 <PovAddict> I looked at the revision number on server_status

23:06 <zombie67> numbers are meaningless to me.  I looks for things like those links

23:06 <PovAddict> seems 2 days old

23:09 <zombie67> where is TM?

23:09 <Romulus> hmm... TM is selling a bunch, zombie67

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23:09 <zombie67> Even when he isn't here, he is still usually logged on.

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