IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-02-21

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00:43 <MTughan> Off to bed...

00:43 <zombie67> gn

00:44 <Wabbit98> nighty night

00:44 <MTughan> zombie67: Want to try the x86_64 sieve app while I'm away?

00:44 <zombie67> hah!  tomorrow.  go to bed

00:44 <zombie67> ;)

00:44 <MTughan> Heh, np.

00:44 <MTughan> Night.

00:44 <Romulus> off to drug myself so hopefully I'll get some sleep. See everyone tomorrow.

00:44 <MTughan> Uh... No.

00:45 <zombie67> little fom column A, a little from column B

00:45 <efc> &cad

00:45 <Romulus>

00:45 <MTughan> You know that's from over 24 hours ago?

00:45 <efc> i haven't read it in 48 hours

00:45 <MTughan> Gah, distractions... Bye.

00:47 <efc> they need to put that on the old folks page with Mary Worth and Judge Parker

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00:50 <zombie67> 67...98...67...

00:50 <zombie67> sup?

00:51 <efc> Zzz

00:51 <Wabbit67> bah

00:52 <zombie67> humbug

00:52 <John_Clay> hah.

00:52 <John_Clay> I mock your humbuggery.

00:53 <Wabbit67> I mock your nick

00:53 <zombie67> is that a cross between a hummer and buggery?

00:55 <John_Clay> No way to run folding@home on BOINC, is there?

00:56 <zombie67> no.

00:56 <Wabbit67> nein

00:56 <John_Clay> Lame.

00:56 <zombie67> there was a test for a short period a few years ago

00:56 <John_Clay> You'd think that two projects from the same facility would use the same method of distributed computing

00:56 <zombie67> huh?

00:56 <zombie67> folding = stanford

00:56 <zombie67> boinc = berkeley

00:56 <John_Clay> Oh... blind day =)

00:57 <zombie67> more like rivals

00:57 <zombie67> ;)

00:57 <John_Clay> Indeed.

00:57 <Wabbit67> bitter rivals

00:58 <zombie67> who can be more liberal?

00:58 <zombie67> I can live in trees!

00:58 <John_Clay> haha

00:58 <Wabbit67> hippies the lot of you

00:59 <zombie67> "Say, don't you have some oily birds to wash, or a candlelight vigil to prepare for, or something?" -- Geoff Miller

00:59 <zombie67> wabbit, why 67?

01:00 <Wabbit67> random numbers

01:00 <zombie67> ah

01:00 <zombie67> ah!  67..89

01:00 <zombie67> sequencia

01:00 <zombie67> l

01:00 <zombie67> er, no

01:00 <zombie67> 67 98

01:01 <John_Clay> 5 minutes until second work unit is completed. Heh.

01:02 <John_Clay> 1 core is still working away at the true second one.. eta on that one is 12 hours

01:02 <zombie67> which project?

01:02 <zombie67> SETI?  LHC?

01:02 <John_Clay> SETI

01:02 <zombie67> ah

01:02 <Romulus> we have a compiler installed, you will notice a lack in responce time

01:03 <zombie67> SETI is a good start...but there are over 80 projects out there.  Experiment!

01:03 <John_Clay> LHC looks neat though.

01:03 <zombie67> BOINC projects

01:03 <John_Clay> Yeah

01:03 <zombie67> so you don't have to choose.  You can run many at the same time.

01:03 <John_Clay> I'm giving weatherprediction as well

01:03 <Wabbit67> hmmmmm

01:04 <zombie67> CPDN?

01:04 <John_Clay> it'll just queue the next unit then?

01:04 <zombie67> yep

01:04 <Wabbit67> plenty of fish in the sea

01:04 <zombie67> and switch back and forth as needed

01:04 <Wabbit67> no need to join and secret cults dedicated to alpha projects

01:04 <zombie67> the point:  SETI is the largest (by far) project.  Try some of the smaller projects that may need help.

01:05 <zombie67>

01:05 <Romulus> <> (at

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01:08 <John_Clay> How long for the work units done to be validated?

01:08 <zombie67> depends on you wingman

01:09 <John_Clay> eh?

01:09 <zombie67> look at the due date for his task

01:09 <zombie67> give me the URL to the task you are asking about

01:09 <John_Clay> wingman? Ah, doing things in tandem to cross-validate.

01:09 <zombie67> gimme th url

01:10 <zombie67> the

01:10 <John_Clay>

01:10 <Romulus> <> (at

01:10 <zombie67> okay, see "minimum quorum" for that task?

01:10 <John_Clay> Yep

01:11 <zombie67> 2, means that two tasks must be returned that match to validate

01:11 <John_Clay> Ah, cool.

01:11 <zombie67> if the wingman doesn't return in time, or returns a different result, a nother task will be issued to a 3rd wingman

01:12 <zombie67> lather, rinse, repeat until done

01:12 <zombie67> see the "max # of error/total/success tasks" values?

01:12 <John_Clay> yeah

01:13 <zombie67> bottom line, most tasks validate in a day or two.  But some can take many weeks

01:13 <Wabbit67> SZTAKI use to take months

01:14 <efc> If some moron with a cyrix-133 gets your WU it can take forever

01:14 <John_Clay> haah

01:14 <Tank_Master> :P

01:14 <zombie67> SZTAKI's problem is that they had LONG running WUs combined with a "ready to send" queue of 30,000.  re-issues took FOREVER to finally get re-sent

01:14 <John_Clay> I'm alrady bogging down the person with the second task

01:14 <John_Clay> they were done in 17 minuts :/

01:14 <Tank_Master> so r u saying you dont want me to use my 486?

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01:15 <zombie67> heh

01:15 <zombie67> brb

01:15 <Tank_Master> k

01:16 * efc put a p200mmx in that machine so the WU will beat the deadline

01:17 <Tank_Master> naw. ill just overclock

01:17 <zombie67> SX or DX?

01:18 <Tank_Master> I actually have seen a quad 486 mobo before

01:18 <Tank_Master> I shoulda grabed it before it was tossed

01:18 <Tank_Master> and mod the xml so it reports a higher int/float score. for that makes it go faster, right?

01:20 <efc> quad 486, that would have been awesome :(

01:20 <Tank_Master> was a server mobo

01:20 <John_Clay> I'm thinking of upgrading the CPU in the mini, maybe toss in a C2D

01:20 <Tank_Master> I guess it worked to

01:21 <Tank_Master> just a P3 500 at the time would run circules around it

01:21 <efc> I've considered trying to build a multi old CPU mb but doesn't seem worth it..

01:21 <efc> even for the novelty

01:21 <Romulus> looks for things like abort or suspend. Same thing with wired networking... 2 minutes to hire goons in your iptables"

01:23 <zombie67> JC:  Which mini?  PPC or Intel?

01:23 <John_Clay> Intel

01:23 <John_Clay> 1.66Ghz, CD

01:23 <zombie67> they upgrade to C2D easily enough!

01:23 <John_Clay> Yep.

01:24 <zombie67> what team are you on?

01:24 <John_Clay> Just a matter of finding the appropriate chip, and the time to do it.

01:24 <John_Clay> ehMaculate

01:24 <zombie67> Heh.  I came from Team MacNN

01:24 <zombie67> #17

01:24 <Wabbit67> bah

01:24 <Wabbit67> KWSN is the best

01:24 <Tank_Master> bah

01:24 <zombie67> *snort*

01:25 <Tank_Master> lol

01:25 <Wabbit67> you are all just jealous we have our own made up religioin

01:25 <zombie67> show me a measuring stick that says so

01:25 <Wabbit67> religioin

01:25 <zombie67> I speak typo

01:25 <Wabbit67> thanks

01:25 <Wabbit67>

01:25 <Romulus> Title: MyMiniCity (at

01:25 <Tank_Master> religon?

01:25 <Tank_Master> still looks funny

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01:26 <Tank_Master> bah, I dont know how to spell half of what O spell and the other hale I can spell worse than I aught to

01:27 <Tank_Master> I* half*

01:27 <John_Clay> ooh. If my work units discover aliens, do I win a prize? :D

01:28 <Wabbit67> a cookie

01:28 <John_Clay> Awesome.

01:28 <Wabbit67> or being sold into alien slavery

01:28 <John_Clay> aww

01:28 <John_Clay> I'll take the cookie, thanks

01:28 <Wabbit67> can't remember

01:28 <Tank_Master> you can find lots of cookies on the internet

01:29 <Tank_Master> just make sure you dont pick up the bad ones

01:29 <John_Clay> Those ones aren't chocolate chip.

01:29 <Tank_Master> no, but they were made with the help of chips

01:30 <flight16> I wonder if my CPU has cured cancer yet.  I wish it would hurry up :(

01:30 <Tank_Master> lol

01:30 <zombie67> Homer no function well without beer

01:30 <zombie67> snort

01:30 <zombie67> screwed it up

01:30 <Tank_Master> dont worry, even if it did find the cure to end all canser, we as a society arent ready for it, so it wont be released

01:31 <zombie67> Homer no function beer well without

01:32 <efc> There are certainly some odd CPUs down there in the bottom of the stats..

01:32 <Tank_Master> I think im gonna go kill something then go to bed

01:33 <Tank_Master> ill c-ya later

01:33 <zombie67> HF

01:33 <efc> nothing much less than a pentium though

01:33 <Tank_Master> oh I will ;)

01:33 <zombie67> I FU's a HD today

01:33 <zombie67> FU'd

01:33 <zombie67> fun stuff!

01:34 <efc> Running a coprocessor emulator on a 386 ought to be good

01:43 <John_Clay> wtf

01:43 <John_Clay> how do I unattach a project in BOINC?

01:44 <efc> "Detach"

01:45 <John_Clay> Ah, brilliant.. it's not in the menu bar along with "Attach"...

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02:23 <zombie67> BOINC is not very Mac friendly

02:27 <John_Clay> it really isn't

02:27 <John_Clay> horrible UI

02:27 <John_Clay> at least it's universal though.

02:33 <Priit_M> load average: 7.67, 6.53, 5.68

02:34 <John_Clay> oad averages: 0.06 0.03 0.05

02:35 <John_Clay> load averages: 1.52 1.57 1.60 <--BOINC machine, heh

02:36 <zombie67> updated!

02:36 <Romulus> <> (at

02:36 <Priit_M> about 3.3 load on my boinc machine

02:36 <Priit_M> when there's only boinc running

02:37 <zombie67> not very familiar with what "load" meand

02:37 <zombie67> means

02:37 <zombie67> more of a ps kinda guy

02:37 <John_Clay> higher load = machine doing more, hah

02:37 <zombie67> well yeah

02:38 <zombie67> on a scale of....?

02:38 <Priit_M> I don't understand load very much as well, but I do know that web servers shouldn't have higher load than 1 per CPU core :p

02:38 <zombie67> 6 is big?  or 6,000,000,000?

02:38 <Priit_M> 6 is huge

02:38 <John_Clay> my ibook was around 5-6 in the end

02:38 <John_Clay> heh

02:38 <zombie67> how do I measure load on my mac?

02:38 <John_Clay> was doing waay more than I should have

02:38 <John_Clay> zombie67: in the terminal, "uptime'

02:38 <John_Clay> 2:38  up 2 days,  4:44, 1 user, load averages: 0.00 0.02 0.04

02:39 <Priit_M> usual web browsing and listening music should raise load to about 0.3

02:39 <Priit_M> at most

02:39 <zombie67> % uptime

02:39 <zombie67> 23:39  up 7 days, 49 mins, 2 users, load averages: 8.42 8.62 8.79

02:39 <John_Clay> what sort of machine?

02:39 <zombie67> ;)

02:39 <zombie67> 8-way

02:39 <Priit_M> load 8, impressive

02:40 <zombie67> lemme look at one of my G4s

02:40 <Priit_M> doesn't it feel (very) slow

02:40 <John_Clay> zombie67: what specs are that machine?

02:40 <John_Clay> Ugh, the G4 days are scary.

02:40 <Romulus> whatever timezone kornbluth is in..

02:40 <John_Clay> I thought about hooking up a g4 400 for SETI etc, but it's not really worth it

02:41 <zombie67> my 1.25 PowerBook says:  1.86 1.22 1.08

02:41 <John_Clay> zombie67: what specs are that machine?

02:41 <John_Clay> the first one you did, w/ 8

02:41 <Priit_M> I was thinking of running seti on 500mhz celeron, but it would probably burn, because CPU has 2x2x1cm heatsink and no cooler

02:41 <John_Clay> hah

02:41 <zombie67> it is a dual Xeon 5365 (3.0ghz)

02:42 <John_Clay> Oo

02:42 <John_Clay> That's pretty high.

02:42 <John_Clay> Hackintosh?

02:42 <zombie67> Nope.  Mac Pro

02:42 <John_Clay> Luck ;)

02:42 <zombie67> the first 8-way

02:42 <efc> I don't suppose a G4 has the Altivec instructions?

02:42 <John_Clay> Lucky*

02:42 <zombie67> not the new one

02:42 <zombie67> which is faster!

02:42 <John_Clay> efc: yeah, g4's have altivec.. only difference between them an the G3s

02:43 <zombie67> I also have 3 8-way XP machines

02:43 <John_Clay> 8-way?

02:43 <John_Clay> wtf? :P

02:43 <John_Clay> 8 core?

02:43 <zombie67> yeah

02:43 <efc> If you're lucky, you might find an optimized client, but I've never looked into that on the PowerPC side

02:43 <John_Clay> meh

02:43 <John_Clay> PPC is a waste of time now.

02:43 <zombie67> I have a Quad G5 machine

02:44 <zombie67> no waste of time if the apps uses altvec!

02:44 <John_Clay> pfft

02:44 <zombie67> alexkan has an awesome one for SETI

02:44 <John_Clay> macbook wipes the floor with a quad

02:44 <John_Clay> for some stuff, anyway

02:44 <zombie67> nope

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02:44 <efc> I admit I don't really know how to look at my output and see that the optimized client is doing any good..

02:44 <zombie67> I have a CD MBP

02:44 <zombie67> the quad is faster

02:45 <John_Clay> depends what you use it for :)

02:45 <zombie67> projects with PPC optimized apps:  SETI, Einstein

02:46 <zombie67> Team MacNN's Alex Kan has awesome optimized apps for SETI.  They blow the win opt apps out of the water.

02:46 <zombie67>

02:46 <Romulus> Title: Top hosts (at

02:47 <zombie67> take a good look at the top machines in the top 1-60

02:47 <zombie67> see all that darwin in the left column?

02:47 <zombie67> er, right

02:47 <Romulus> My youngest are 5 year olds and my friends just rescheduled our lunch for Saturday. Meaning I can find on Wikipedia is a first for several belated tragedies for me

02:47 <John_Clay> Anyway, I'm off. Thanks for all the help :)

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02:48 <zombie67> then figure macs are only now approaching 10% in sales

02:48 <zombie67> JC!

02:48 <zombie67> wait!

02:48 <zombie67> are you running the stock seti app?

02:49 <zombie67> JC?

02:49 <efc> wow.. my RAC is about 150 :p

02:50 <zombie67> efc, what's your userid?

02:51 <zombie67> JC:  get the latest optimized app here:

02:51 <Romulus> Title: Index of /~alexkan/seti (at

02:51 <zombie67> JC:  come back here for install instructions if you need them

02:54 <efc> 174100

02:55 <zombie67> eh?  I meant your user name, or better yet, the URL to your BS stats

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02:56 <zombie67> Hi K!

02:57 <efc> oh well, boincstats is incredibly slow. its Eddie Cottongim

02:58 <zombie67> you have a split CPID?

02:58 <efc> i don't know why

02:59 <zombie67> lemme look

03:00 <zombie67> how many machines do you have?

03:00 <efc> 6 or 7 probably

03:00 <zombie67> grrr....  and they are hidden

03:00 <zombie67> so I cannot problem solve

03:01 <zombie67> I can see this much:  you have crunched for SETI and Einstein only.  correct?

03:01 <efc> yes

03:01 <efc> I didn't think my machines were normally hidden

03:02 <zombie67> ok.  attach each machine to both projects at least temporarily.  Have each machine crunch and return at least one valid result for each project.

03:02 <efc>

03:02 <zombie67> then detach at will.

03:02 <Romulus> <> (at

03:03 <efc> I do have one machine that hasn't returned a result yet.

03:03 <zombie67>

03:03 <Romulus> <> (at

03:03 <zombie67> then click on hosts

03:05 <efc> hmm, nothing there

03:05 <zombie67> exactly!  That is what they look like when hiddent

03:06 <zombie67> are you sure they are visible for both projects?

03:06 <efc> Well, I didn't hide them, and I can see them on the other account.

03:07 <zombie67> fair enough.  crunch both projects for each machine, and all will be well.

03:07 <zombie67> you have the same email and password on both projects??

03:08 <efc> for seti and einstein? Yes, I guess so, haven't messed with that in ages.

03:08 <efc> As far as my second "account" I don't even know how I would get into that on the boinc site.

03:11 <efc> Microsoft Windows 95

03:11 <efc> OSR2

03:11 <efc> Rock on

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03:30 <clusty> morning

03:32 * KathrynM is back (gone 00:35:30)

03:32 <KathrynM> evenin'

03:32 <clusty> cooking anything good?

03:32 <clusty> L:D

03:32 <clusty> :D

03:32 <KathrynM> spinach and chicken tacos

03:32 <KathrynM> the chicken part is done

03:32 <clusty> ambitious

03:32 <KathrynM> gotta go back to work in about 20 minutes

03:32 <KathrynM> nah easy easy

03:33 <clusty> working at night?

03:33 <KathrynM> we have a meeting at 6

03:33 <KathrynM> I got off at 5:10

03:33 <clusty> parents?

03:33 <clusty> :D

03:33 <KathrynM> teachers :/

03:34 <clusty> most of teachers are foreigners?

03:34 <KathrynM> 8 foreign teachers and 10 korean teachers on our side of the building

03:34 <KathrynM> don't know how many korean teachers on the other side

03:35 <clusty> how do the local guys look at foreigners?

03:35 <clusty> pests or they welcome you :D

03:35 <KathrynM> most are very welcoming

03:36 <clusty> in germany they are a bit annoyed: unless you speak perfect german

03:36 <KathrynM> well, that would leave me out

03:36 <KathrynM> I don't speak a lick of German

03:36 <clusty> they either dont feel like speaking english or not in the mood to figure out what one is saying

03:36 <KathrynM> lol

03:38 <clusty> i fall in second :D

03:38 <clusty> can speak but with bad grammar

03:38 <KathrynM> :)

03:40 <KathrynM> well...  i'm gonna head back over there.  I can write my lesson plans for tomorrow so I can sleep in an extra half hour tomorrow.

03:40 <KathrynM> bbl

03:40 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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04:21 <CoderForLife> morning

04:37 <CoderForLife> &quiet

04:37 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers

04:37 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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04:46 <CoderForLife> back with breakfast

04:47 <KathrynM> what's for breaky?

04:47 <CoderForLife> reheated McDonald's sausage, egg and cheese biscuit, and a Coca-Cola

04:48 <KathrynM> oh healthy

04:48 <CoderForLife> the breakfast of Coders

04:48 <CoderForLife> good stuff

04:49 <KathrynM> thought that was a triple espresso

04:49 <KathrynM> Oh wait, that's the breakfast of teachers :)

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04:49 <CoderForLife> I'm not a coffee guy

04:49 <CoderForLife> I take my caffeine ..cold..

04:53 <KathrynM> lol

04:53 <KathrynM> hiya clusty

04:53 <clusty> hey

04:53 <clusty> meeting's over?

04:53 <KathrynM> yeah

04:53 <KathrynM> got a preview of what's to come next week

04:54 <clusty> and i guess you ran in fear since you arrived this sson

04:54 <clusty> :D

04:54 <KathrynM> I went from 5 afternoon classes to 8 and I'm a homeroom teacher for a morning class :/

04:54 <KathrynM> not excited at all

04:54 <KathrynM> Heh.  I live right next door to the school :)

04:55 <clusty> thought so

04:55 <CoderForLife> got some LHC WUs overnight

04:55 <clusty> whats LHC?

04:56 <KathrynM> Large Hadron Collider

04:56 <KathrynM> I got some too.

04:56 <CoderForLife> LHC@Home

04:56 <clusty> sounds fancy :D

04:56 <KathrynM> I'd check and see what's on the machine now, but my network is slow and that hangs the manager like crazy.

04:56 <clusty> i dumped all big projects and attached to some smaller ones

04:57 * KathrynM wishes Rom would hurry up and release a new Linux version.

04:57 <KathrynM> Although I could compile it myself...

04:57 <KathrynM> the client at least.  I don't think I have the proper sacrifices to get the manager to compile.

04:57 <clusty> its peanuts to compile it

04:58 <clusty> i can guide you through if you wish

04:58 <KathrynM> client yes

04:58 <clusty> server as well

04:58 <KathrynM> I've heard horror storries about compiling the manager

04:58 <clusty> from me

04:58 <clusty> :D

04:58 <KathrynM> I'll pass on the server.  I'm delightfully ignorant of all that

04:58 <clusty> linux or windows?

04:59 <KathrynM> linux

04:59 <KathrynM> I would rather teacher 3 year olds than try VS again.

04:59 <clusty> good choice

04:59 <clusty> :D

04:59 <KathrynM> :)

05:00 <KathrynM> I fought with it for like 3 weekends and gave up.

05:00 <CoderForLife> hmm  first time I've seen this:  2/21/2008 1:07:27 AM|QMC@HOME|[error] Checksum or signature error for Chkpoint000.one_3p11_isomersm-ecp2

05:00 <clusty> i kinda got the hang of it

05:00 <KathrynM> corrupted file CoderForLife?

05:00 <KathrynM> post it over at QMC.  I'll have Martin take a look at it.

05:00 <CoderForLife> I reckon

05:01 <CoderForLife> I don't often browse Messages, but this one was red

05:01 <KathrynM> gotta love the red messages

05:01 <CoderForLife> they mean either "love", or "danger", or both

05:02 <clusty> :D

05:02 <KathrynM>

05:02 <KathrynM> nice :-)

05:02 <Romulus> <> (at

05:02 <KathrynM> nearly triple granted of what I claimed

05:04 <clusty> well the latest svn revision of boinc compiles just fine

05:04 <CoderForLife> I am not familiar with this project

05:04 <KathrynM> very small

05:05 <KathrynM> still trying to get off the ground.

05:05 <CoderForLife> you're the only TFFE member

05:05 <KathrynM> probably

05:06 <CoderForLife>

05:06 <Romulus> <> (at

05:10 <CoderForLife> well dagnabbitanyhow, time to start getting ready for w@#%

05:10 <CoderForLife> may get some un-nice weather tonight

05:11 <CoderForLife> well.... laterz

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06:21 <hawmps> 'lo

06:22 <MTughan> Off to school...

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07:11 <hawmps> lhc available....

07:31 <clusty> why is every1 so excited about lhc?

07:31 <clusty> :D

07:31 <KathrynM> they so rarely have work

07:31 <clusty> still...

07:31 <clusty> :D

07:31 <KathrynM> that and the screen saver is just freaking awesome

07:31 <clusty> lemme give it a spin then :D

07:33 <clusty> huh?

07:33 <clusty> no ssaver for me?

07:33 <clusty> linux?

07:33 <Romulus> It has been said that linux is case sensitve, Kathryn and kathryn are as different as bob and kathRyn, clusty

07:33 <KathrynM> ah.  I don't think there's graphics for LInux

07:34 <clusty> so what do you use? :D

07:34 <KathrynM> every day, Linux

07:34 <clusty> were you not a linuxoid? :D

07:34 <KathrynM> But I've got Windows computers too

07:34 <clusty> computerS

07:34 <clusty> yaiks :D

07:34 <KathrynM> I only changed over full time in November

07:34 <KathrynM> My old P4 laptop that's on it's last legs.

07:34 <clusty> i am at work 99% linux

07:35 <clusty> home its windows

07:35 <KathrynM> I wish I could use Linux at work....

07:35 <clusty> because of some stupid MMORPG i got hoked on

07:35 <KathrynM> I've taken in the Fedora LiveCD just so I don't have to use the infested Win boxes

07:35 <clusty> dont like lhc :(

07:35 <clusty> no funny pix for me

07:36 <KathrynM> awwwwwwwwww

07:36 <clusty> and plus 8h jobs feel less rewarding than 1h ones

07:36 <clusty> :D

07:36 <clusty> i will stiuck to my spinhinger

07:36 <KathrynM> it's really intersting when you get the ones that are only a few seconds.

07:36 <clusty> not very erfficient those

07:37 <KathrynM> but important

07:37 <clusty> my tasks are for now around 5-10 sec each

07:37 <KathrynM> it's in those that the beam runs into the wall and destroys the LHC

07:37 <clusty> :D

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07:40 <KathrynM> Hmmmmm

07:40 <KathrynM> Intrepid Ibex

07:40 <KathrynM> Doesn't have quite the same ring as Feisty Fawn

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08:16 <clusty> whats intrepid ibex?

08:16 <KathrynM> Ubuntu 8.10

08:23 <clusty> is that not hardy?

08:23 <clusty> or hardy os 8.04?

08:23 <clusty> is*

08:23 <KathrynM> I think Hardy is 8.04

08:23 <clusty> yeah hardy is not Long Term Support

08:23 <clusty> i had hardy alpha 2

08:23 <clusty> but was too annoying

08:24 <clusty> will wait till alpha 6 or so

08:24 <KathrynM> I'm not a big *buntu fan...

08:24 <clusty> i am

08:24 <clusty> :D

08:24 <KathrynM> :)

08:24 <clusty> i am not a red hat fan

08:24 <clusty> there

08:24 <clusty> :D

08:24 <KathrynM> i am

08:24 <KathrynM> :)

08:24 <clusty> take that....

08:24 <KathrynM> pffft

08:24 <KathrynM> Maybe if I had started with Kubuntu.

08:24 <KathrynM> I think I associate *buntu too much with Gnome.

08:25 <KathrynM> And I despise Gnome.

08:25 <clusty> i am a gnome person

08:25 <clusty> as well

08:25 <clusty> :D

08:25 <KathrynM> LOL

08:25 <clusty> anything else you hate?

08:25 <clusty> :D

08:26 <clusty> spit it out now, and I might forgive you :D

08:26 <clusty> i used to be a fan of minimalistic windows managers

08:27 <clusty> like fluxbox and such

08:27 <KathrynM> Well, I used to hate the CLI.... but not anymore

08:27 <KathrynM> Does Vista count?

08:27 <clusty> mostly because i had a crappy machine

08:27 <clusty> i dont despise vista

08:27 <clusty> its slow and that

08:27 <clusty> but looks funky

08:28 <clusty> a bit of a OSX ripoff but you can't expect much of billy anyways :D

08:28 <KathrynM> LOL

08:28 <KathrynM> I wouldn't say I Despise Vista.

08:28 <KathrynM> But I do have a strong dislike for it.

08:30 <KathrynM> brb... gotta reply to an email

08:31 <KathrynM> clusty, you're a project admin...

08:31 <KathrynM> What would you say to a user who has an inappropriate avatar.

08:31 <KathrynM> Basically you want him/her/it to change or remove the avatar.

08:33 <clusty> KathrynM, CHANGE YOUR AVATAR

08:34 <clusty> ...and while you're at it do yourself a face life :D

08:34 <clusty> and I dont like your race/religion/momma :D

08:34 <KathrynM> lol

08:34 <clusty> now jokes aside

08:34 <clusty> tell him nice to change it because.......

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08:35 <KathrynM> Thx.

08:51 <KathrynM> gah... clusty, what's the command to get the kernel version?

08:51 <clusty> uname -a

08:51 <KathrynM> I knew it had name in it :)

08:51 <KathrynM> thanks

08:51 <clusty> np

09:09 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

09:09 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 51.4F / 10.8C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.47in / 997.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers in the morning...then partly cloudy in the afternoon. Highs 56 to 61 in the western valleys to 51 to 56 near the foothills. Light winds. Chance of measurable precipitation 20 (2 more messages)

09:09 <Soul_keeper> &more

09:09 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows 44 to 51. Light winds. Chance of measurable precipitation 50 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs 57 to 62 in the western valleys to 52 to 57 near the foothills. Light winds. Chance of measurable precipitation 40 percent.; Special Weather Statement for San Diego County in effect until 4:00 PM PST on (1 more message)

09:10 <Soul_keeper> &more

09:10 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: February 21, 2008;

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09:38 <KathrynM> night all

09:38 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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10:08 <PovAddict> &fetch

10:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: timed out

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11:01 <hawmps> lhc still cookin..

11:01 <CoderForLife> a quick _o/

11:01 <PovAddict> seems to do too much I/O, hawmps

11:01 <PovAddict> _o/ CoderForLife

11:02 <PovAddict> I had a 14-hour power outage

11:03 <CoderForLife> ungood - no Boinc

11:03 <PovAddict> and no working fridge...

11:03 <CoderForLife> eek

11:03 <PovAddict> power company apparently won't care about lost food in fridge or anything else

11:03 <CoderForLife> send them the bill

11:04 <CoderForLife> for the lost WU time

11:04 <PovAddict> my dad already called them - they won't pay for any "damage" of that kind

11:04 * CoderForLife tries to coax a few more WUs out of LHC

11:04 <CoderForLife> what if your life support system stopped?

11:05 <PovAddict> you'd have to involve lawyers, I guess

11:06 <CoderForLife> your survivors would... =)

11:06 <PovAddict> some silly curious is clicking on every single file I have on my webserver

11:06 <PovAddict> eating my upload bandwidth

11:07 <PovAddict> like a lot

11:07 * PovAddict plinks him for a while

11:07 <CoderForLife> that's what I told a guy when we went off-road in a four-wheel-drive Trooper - I wanted him to drive, so my widow could sue his widow

11:08 * PovAddict searches for mod_bandwidth

11:08 <CoderForLife> the gentle sound of falling IPs - plink plink plink

11:10 <PovAddict> I don't want to block his IP

11:10 <PovAddict> just avoid him from using all my bandwidth downloading five files at a time...

11:13 <PovAddict> I'd like some advanced settings like... start limiting bandwidth after that IP downloads X megabytes

11:13 <PovAddict> so that people who just download a single file never get the bw limited, but somebody eating my whole server gets into slow-mode

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13:33 <PovAddict> is TFFE joining the POEM-athon?

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13:46 <yoyo[RKN]> after the bunny race?

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14:13 <freelarry> PovAddict what poem-athon

14:16 <freelarry> Jupp seems to handle it mostly

14:16 <PovAddict>

14:16 <Romulus> <> (at

14:16 <PovAddict> I mailed Keith already

14:16 <PovAddict> so I think TFFE is in

14:17 <freelarry> lol jupp always has been from looks of it

14:17 <freelarry> humm may limit other projects for a bit to try

14:22 <PovAddict> oh long time till starting anyway

14:22 <PovAddict> 24th

14:23 <freelarry> good - time enough to clear some of the wu's off these machines - limited several to only 4 projects verse 11 to 12 they were running

14:24 <freelarry> that way still have bu wu's

14:24 <PovAddict> 24th of MARCH

14:24 <PovAddict> so more than a month still

14:24 <freelarry> lol on some of these machines it may take them that long

14:25 <freelarry> especially those cpdn's

14:26 <zombie67> 3x+1@home is now on BS and BAM

14:26 <freelarry> noticed it there yesterday

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15:02 <PovAddict>

15:02 <Romulus> <> (at

15:03 <PovAddict> CPU price/performance chart

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15:48 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : what happens if I change the url of my project, but keep also the old url

15:49 <PovAddict> whenever the project URL changes, problems happen

15:49 <PovAddict> alwaysays

15:50 <yoyo[RKN]> as expected :(

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15:50 <PovAddict> so, first ste

15:50 <PovAddict> p

15:50 <PovAddict> the URL you're changing to... better be pretty permanent

15:51 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm, so I keep the redirect on the old server

15:51 <PovAddict> I mean, the URL itself

15:51 <PovAddict> better have no dependencies on the server or whatever

15:52 <PovAddict> to make sure you won't need to change it *again* within the next few *years*

16:04 <freelarry> that cpu/price chart would be better if had cpu names

16:05 <freelarry> not just amd or intel color

16:05 <PovAddict> well he was just starting

16:05 <PovAddict> and posted the interesting result of the graph looking random

16:05 <freelarry> lol yeah a little to early to post it yet

16:05 <PovAddict> instead of a nice curve or something

16:06 <freelarry> nope thats why names important - to much variation in cpu architechure

16:06 <PovAddict> well he's not comparing GHz

16:06 <PovAddict> he's comparing results of a CPU benchmark

16:06 <freelarry> but shows highest pass marks are intel at highest prices

16:07 <freelarry> which is kind of expected

16:13 <PovAddict> Tank_Master:

16:13 <Romulus> Title: Landscape flyover (at

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16:41 <MTughan> Tank_Master: May have found a new ATI card that's cheaper than the 8800GT, but also slightly faster.

16:42 <MTughan> The ATI Radeon HD 3650. Looking at it now instead of the HD2600 XT.

16:43 <MTughan> DX10.1 support, full HD, native DisplayPort compatibility. Dual dual-link DVI-D out too.

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17:14 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

17:14 <xcamel> mission accomplished!

17:14 <xcamel> all the new appliances in - no disasters (yet)

17:28 <PovAddict> wow

17:29 <PovAddict> looks like POEM users thought the challenge started now :D

17:29 <PovAddict>

17:29 <Romulus> <> (at

17:29 <MTughan> lol...

17:31 <xcamel> hehehe..

17:32 <xcamel> &cyborg POEM

17:32 <Romulus> xcamel: P.O.E.M.: Positronic Online Exploration Machine

17:32 <PovAddict> I mailed Keith, he posted on the team forum... so TFFE is in

17:34 <MTughan> Hehe... 500 credits away from 200K.

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17:37 <mweltin> hi everybody

17:40 <xcamel> 'lo mw

17:40 <xcamel> I nailed quite a bunch of LHC today..

17:42 <mweltin> hey xcamel, nice going on the LHC, I hear they are rare

17:45 <PovAddict> they are indeed

17:45 <PovAddict> hey MTughan, have you done any work on your mgr recently?

17:46 <mweltin> hey PovAddict

17:46 <mweltin> how goes it?

17:46 <PovAddict> hey

17:46 <PovAddict> somebody sent me a povray scene to do on my renderfarm

17:46 <PovAddict> seemed big

17:46 <PovAddict> ...2 minutes per frame

17:46 <mweltin> cool

17:47 <PovAddict> I don't think users would like that... 2 minutes and 150KB output file?

17:47 <PovAddict> seems too short

17:47 <mweltin> group a bunch of them together.

17:47 <PovAddict> not too easy...

17:47 <mweltin> ahhh

17:48 <mweltin> you'er a smart guy

17:48 <Romulus> mailed the dev guys MTughan_?

17:48 <PovAddict> shush bot

17:51 * KathrynM is back (gone 08:13:05)

17:51 <KathrynM> mornin

17:51 <mweltin> KathrynM!

17:52 <KathrynM> hiya mweltin

17:52 <KathrynM> How's life treating you?

17:52 <mweltin> good, I'm learning the ins and outs of the voyager nitrox system.

17:52 <KathrynM> sounds technical

17:52 <mweltin> having a hard time getting money from the ASG.

17:53 <CoderForLife> home at last - 45 minutes to go 7 miles

17:53 <CoderForLife> dinnertime

17:54 <KathrynM> &weather Ulsan

17:54 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 19°F / -7°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.51in / 1033hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM KST; Clear. High:50 F. / 10 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Clear. High:48 F. / 9 C.; Clear. Low:33 F. / 1 C.;

17:55 <xcamel> 'lo Don..

17:55 <xcamel> 'lo K

17:55 * xcamel bangs the cage with a pipe..

17:56 * KathrynM wonders why xcamel is banging cages with pipes

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17:58 <xcamel> to see if anyone is lucid..

17:58 <KathrynM> lucid?  at 8 am?

17:59 <xcamel> yeah... that too.

18:00 <KathrynM> only good thing I have to say is that it's Friday

18:00 <xcamel> not quite..

18:00 <KathrynM> brb... gotta feed the guinea pig before she has a heart attack

18:00 <xcamel> emphasis on the "pig" part...

18:02 <xcamel> looks like a snowy day tomorrow..

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18:03 <xcamel> 'lo Larry

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18:04 <KathrynM> yeah, for a little tiny thing she eats and awful lot

18:05 <PovAddict> &math calc 69*2238722457.562552

18:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: 154471849572.0

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18:06 <xcamel> poof...

18:09 <KathrynM> must have been something I said :)

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18:09 <PovAddict> or my calculation

18:09 <PovAddict> or somebody tripped over a server cable

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18:09 <PovAddict> &math convert 45000 seconds to hours

18:09 <Romulus> PovAddict: 12.5

18:10 <PovAddict> 12 hours seems like a good deadline for a bunch of... 3-minute WUs

18:10 <KathrynM> yeah

18:11 <KathrynM> yo PovAddict, any thoughts on this thread?

18:11 <Romulus> <> (at

18:11 <KathrynM> err, starting with my post

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18:12 <PovAddict> I can only confirm it happens

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18:17 <KathrynM> I really want to thank my students for sharing their germs with me.

18:17 * KathrynM sneezes.

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18:17 <PovAddict> ^^

18:17 <mweltin> KathrynM, I keep forgetting you are a day a head.

18:17 <mweltin> I thougth I missed two meetings.

18:17 <CoderForLife> hey xcamel KathrynM PovAddict mweltin

18:17 <mweltin> I have one today at 1pm (Thursday) and a nooner Friday

18:18 <CoderForLife> time to go crank up the snow thrower

18:18 <KathrynM> I'm good for confusing people

18:18 <PovAddict> and for getting confused?

18:18 <CoderForLife> driveway has about 5 inches of white death on it

18:18 <KathrynM> that too PovAddict

18:18 <CoderForLife> about to change over to sleet

18:18 <PovAddict> CFL: s$%w?

18:18 <mweltin> ok I'm off to a meeting

18:19 <Romulus> or open in a few pg tps to see desktop/laptop

18:19 <CoderForLife> yes, yet another four-letter word

18:19 <PovAddict> omg the new server is so fast <3

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18:19 * CoderForLife waves with his scarf and mittens

18:19 * KathrynM wonders why I can't seem to upload to photobucket :/

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18:19 * KathrynM waves back to CoderForLife and wishes him luck

18:22 <MTughan> Where's CoderForLife off to?

18:22 <KathrynM> To get the snow off the driveway before the sleet hits.

18:22 <MTughan> Ouch...

18:23 <KathrynM> yeah

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18:56 <xcamel> bada-bing

18:57 <MTughan> Considering a new video card for my new comp.

18:57 <MTughan> The Radeon HD3650. Replacing the HD2600 XT I was considering.

18:58 <MTughan> About $20 more, but faster.

18:58 <xcamel> not an ATI fan..

18:58 <Romulus> I was meaning to ask him to give up any of the machines have the energy or consentration span for it

18:58 <MTughan> Slightly faster than an 8800GT.

19:01 <MTughan> Darn it, wrong model... 8600GT 256MB.

19:02 <MTughan>

19:02 <MTughan> &ping

19:02 <Romulus> pong

19:02 <Romulus> Title: [Phoronix] ATI Radeon HD 3650 512MB Review (at

19:02 <MTughan> So I am still sending...

19:12 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

19:12 <MTughan> Seeya.

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19:28 <zombie67> look at that!  IMP!

19:29 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

19:29 <MTughan> IMP work?

19:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 16F / -9C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. Low 5 to 10 above. East wind near 5 mph shifting to the north around 5 mph after midnight.; Friday - Mostly sunny. High in the lower 20s. North wind around 5 mph.; Friday Night - (1 more message)

19:29 <wdsmia> &more

19:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Mostly clear. Low zero to 5 above. North wind near 5 mph in the evening becoming light.;

19:29 <zombie67> all gone now

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19:33 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

19:33 <wdsmia> *lo jay

19:33 <MTughan> zombie67: Free for RS now?

19:34 <zombie67> gimme about 30 min.  gotta eat something

19:34 <MTughan> K, sounds good.

19:34 <CoderForLife> back

19:34 <wdsmia> wb

19:34 <CoderForLife> thx

19:35 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

19:35 <CoderForLife> how long was that?

19:35 * CoderForLife scrolls backwards

19:35 <MTughan> About 1h15m.

19:36 <CoderForLife> hey not bad

19:36 <wdsmia> CoderForLife Online: 2d.2h.43m.38s

19:36 <CoderForLife> lol

19:36 <CoderForLife> feels like that long

19:36 <MTughan> Oh reminds me, I wanted to check the uptime on my Linux comp...

19:37 * CoderForLife hands are tingling

19:37 <CoderForLife> we're talking power equipment here

19:37 <MTughan> 15 days... Seems that it should be longer than that...

19:37 <MTughan> Oh, I know. Because I had to restart for a kernel update.

19:38 <CoderForLife> that's always a tough choice - uptime or update

19:38 <CoderForLife> seems like time and date should play together better

19:39 <wdsmia> then downtime trying to fix the update

19:39 <xcamel> get ahead of the snow?

19:39 <CoderForLife> the snow changed to sleet right on cue

19:39 <xcamel> ick.

19:39 <xcamel> btw - mission accomplished..

19:39 <CoderForLife> got the big bulk off the drive before it got a hard shell

19:40 <CoderForLife> hey - that's good news

19:40 <MTughan> What mission is that?

19:40 <CoderForLife> any hitches?

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19:40 <xcamel> everything in and no disasters..

19:40 <CoderForLife> most highly excellent

19:40 <efc> Moo

19:40 <xcamel> other than the color of the stove - which worked out OK

19:41 <MTughan> Oh, and xcamel: I said the ATI card was slightly faster than an 8800GT. It's actually slightly faster than an 8600GT.

19:41 <xcamel> was s/b titanium/white and came titanium/black

19:41 <xcamel> but it still looks good..

19:42 * efc reads the next big video card review

19:43 <MTughan> 199,712.34 credits...

19:43 <MTughan> Might hit 200K before midnight.

19:43 <MTughan> Gives BS about another 2 updates.

19:44 <efc> Guy at work took these last night.

19:44 <Romulus> <> (at

19:44 <MTughan> Cool...

19:47 <bryanUC> &weather 43016

19:47 <Romulus> bryanUC: Temperature: 21F / -6C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Snow...sleet and freezing rain this evening...changing to all freezing rain after midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation of 2 to 3 inches. Ice accumulation around a quarter of an inch. Lows in the lower 20s. Temperatures rising into the (2 more messages)

19:48 <bryanUC> &more

19:48 <Romulus> bryanUC: mid 20s after midnight. East winds 10 to 15 mph... decreasing to around 5 mph late. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Friday - Freezing rain in the morning...then a mixture of freezing rain and rain in the afternoon. Ice accumulation of up to a tenth of an inch. Highs in the lower 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Friday Night - Freezing rain and sleet likely (1 more message)

19:48 <MTughan> 'lo bryanUC

19:49 <bryanUC> hi

19:49 <xcamel> 'lo bryan

19:50 <bryanUC> hi

19:51 <xcamel> should have checked to see if repete got the 64bit reisel

19:51 <xcamel> forgot about it..

19:53 <PovAddict> hey zombie67

19:54 <PovAddict> ooh no work available on imp?

19:54 <PovAddict> there you go, 200 more

19:54 <MTughan> I think my computer would go for it, but overcommitted as it is.

19:55 <PovAddict> they're tiny

19:55 <zombie67> hi POV.  crunching as fast as I can

19:56 <MTughan> And about 56 WUs from various projects due by the 29th.

19:57 * wdsmia has 10X that many for one project due the 27th

19:58 <MTughan> What kind of machine?

19:59 <wdsmia> suxyourpower9000

19:59 <Romulus> that'll stop a conversation :)

19:59 <MTughan> lol...

19:59 <MTughan> rofl

19:59 <wdsmia> spread over more than one box :)

19:59 <PovAddict> bot++

19:59 <PovAddict> wdsmia: post pix of your farm! :)

20:01 <wdsmia> hard to take one pic of somthing that spans 4 rooms

20:01 <PovAddict> I know you have posted a pic before

20:02 <wdsmia> that was a old pic

20:02 <wdsmia> one rack of cpu's look like another

20:03 <efc> or a pic of your electric bill

20:03 <wdsmia> thats a blur

20:04 <PovAddict> probably not so much more scary than my cousin's cellphone bill?

20:07 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

20:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 23.7F / -4.6C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Freezing Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Snow...sleet and freezing rain this evening...changing to all freezing rain around midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Ice accumulation around one quarter of an inch. Lows in the mid 20s. East (2 more messages)

20:07 <CoderForLife> &more

20:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Friday - Freezing rain in the morning...changing to rain in the afternoon. Ice accumulation of up to a tenth of an inch. Highs in the mid 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Friday Night - Cloudy. Freezing rain and sleet likely in the evening...then a chance of snow...freezing rain and sleet after (1 more message)

20:08 <CoderForLife> &more

20:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation less than an inch. Light ice accumulation. Lows in the mid 20s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Hamilton County in effect until 1:00 PM EST on February 22, 2008;

20:08 <MTughan> Off for a bit...

20:08 * wdsmia send more cold air CoderForLife's way

20:10 <CoderForLife> change it back to snow

20:11 <CoderForLife> ice is not nice

20:11 <PovAddict> 25C outside

20:11 <PovAddict> and it's 11 pm

20:11 <PovAddict> envy me

20:11 <CoderForLife> that's about the same as my temp

20:11 <wdsmia> your talking to the man with a ice skating rink for a driveway

20:11 <CoderForLife> different scale

20:11 <PovAddict> except it's F?

20:11 <PovAddict> or -25C? :)

20:11 <CoderForLife> lol

20:12 <Romulus> but the file-sending features aren't very tested...

20:12 <PovAddict> -25F would be worrying tho

20:12 <CoderForLife> ice skating at Dougfeller Center

20:12 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

20:12 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 16F / -9C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. Low 5 to 10 above. East wind near 5 mph shifting to the north around 5 mph after midnight.; Friday - Mostly sunny. High in the lower 20s. North wind around 5 mph.; Friday Night - (1 more message)

20:12 <wdsmia> &more

20:12 <Romulus> wdsmia: Mostly clear. Low zero to 5 above. North wind near 5 mph in the evening becoming light.;

20:12 <wdsmia> warmist its been all week

20:17 <zombie67> pov, out of work?

20:17 <zombie67> all done?

20:17 <PovAddict> server is really clogged with all the uploads...

20:17 <CoderForLife> Ok time to hit the couch

20:17 <PovAddict> and no, far from done; just all sent :)

20:17 <zombie67> I can see that

20:18 <PovAddict> I may force resends on some if they take too long to come back

20:18 <zombie67> why not just use short deadline?

20:18 * CoderForLife tosses a snowball at wdsmia on the way out

20:19 * wdsmia ducks

20:19 <PovAddict> there's 35MB of stuff on the upload dir...

20:19 <zombie67> it's in my way!

20:20 <PovAddict> now 28MB (stuff gets removed from there when assimilated)

20:21 <zombie67> what is the largest resource you can enter at a projexct?

20:22 <PovAddict> what do you mean?

20:22 <PovAddict> share?

20:22 <zombie67> yeah

20:22 <PovAddict> I dunno...

20:22 <zombie67> your site is almost as slow as AI

20:22 <Tank_Master> lol

20:22 <PovAddict> you sure it's not your end?

20:22 <Tank_Master> "almost"

20:23 <PovAddict> *your* end getting super-slow due to so many uploads

20:23 <zombie67> no

20:23 <PovAddict> remember you have many computers...

20:24 <zombie67> it iw waiting on response from your server

20:24 <PovAddict> sum of all them uploading...

20:24 <zombie67> DL is much faster than UL

20:24 <PovAddict> yay, more than half done

20:24 <zombie67> other sites are snappy

20:24 <PovAddict> now it will get faster... :P

20:25 <PovAddict> omg 18 uploads going on at once

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20:25 <zombie67> from who?  me?

20:25 <PovAddict> no, total file_upload_handlers running on the server

20:25 <PovAddict> so in general

20:25 <PovAddict> down to 13

20:25 <zombie67> ah

20:27 <zombie67> can't upload any more "maintenance"

20:27 <PovAddict> yep I disabled uploads till it went down

20:28 <PovAddict> flood gates open again

20:28 <PovAddict> 5!

20:28 <PovAddict> added to server_status

20:29 <zombie67> 23

20:33 <zombie67> I have one machine with about 50 all waiting to upload

20:43 <PovAddict> how many now?

20:43 <PovAddict> I will wait for the resends until the upload count gets to 0

20:44 <zombie67> lots.  A few of my machines had a cc_config file that increased the uploads/project from 2 to 8.  So everything was uploading extra slow.  I put them back to normal (2).  that should help

20:44 <MTughan> Wow... Seems my 2.8GHz P4 generates more credits than the much faster Core Duo Mac...

20:45 <zombie67> depends on the project

20:45 <zombie67> which one?

20:45 <MTughan> Running RS for the most part.

20:46 <MTughan> The P4.

20:46 <MTughan> My Mac runs an assortment of projects.

20:46 <zombie67> doesn't RS use fixed credits?

20:47 <MTughan> Could be.

20:47 <zombie67> how do you know you mac makes less at RS?

20:47 <MTughan> It doesn't make anything at RS.

20:48 <MTughan> I'm talking overall across all projects.

20:48 <zombie67> ah.  which projects for the mac?  some of them have really poor osx apps

20:48 <MTughan> Remember, I'm just developing the Mac apps for RS now.

20:48 <zombie67> right, that confused me

20:49 <MTughan> ABC, SIMAP, AI, E@H, POEM, RCN, SETI, sudoku, superlink, TSP, WCG, and yoyo.

20:49 <Tank_Master> &cad

20:49 <Romulus>

20:49 <MTughan> Wow, that took you a while...

20:49 <zombie67> for einstein, be sure to use the beta app

20:49 <zombie67> cut crunch time in half

20:49 <MTughan> I just heard about it today, so I'm gonna check it out.

20:50 <MTughan> I have two E@H WUs now.

20:50 <zombie67> WCG gives crap credits, especially for macs

20:50 <zombie67> yoyo is good

20:50 <MTughan> Got 4 there.

20:50 <zombie67> tsp BF on macs is bad

20:50 <MTughan> WCG. 5 yoyos.

20:50 <MTughan> No BF.

20:51 <zombie67> the other factor is that RS pays VERY well with credits...

20:58 <MTughan> zombie67: Where's the beta E@H app?

20:58 <PovAddict> AGH

20:58 <PovAddict> I was just looking at a webpage with mostly pink background

20:58 <PovAddict> now I closed the tab, and white seems green-ish

20:58 <PovAddict> my eyes

20:58 <PovAddict> got

20:58 <PovAddict> pink-infected

20:58 <zombie67> go to number crunchgin

20:59 <zombie67> forum

20:59 <PovAddict>

20:59 <Romulus> <$> (at

20:59 <PovAddict>

20:59 <Romulus> Title: Einstein@Home Beta Testing (at

21:00 <PovAddict> zombie67: I'm watching the sum of RACs project-wide

21:00 <PovAddict> went up to 22 now

21:00 <PovAddict> for some strange reason, sum of RACs of users is 22 and sum of RACs on hosts is 23...

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21:04 <MTughan> All right, beta app in place. Gonna have to wait for new E@H Wus.

21:06 <cactaur> I wonder...

21:06 <cactaur> &eclipse

21:06 <Romulus> I have no idea!

21:06 <cactaur> hahahahhaha

21:06 <MTughan> Wow... POEM is heavy on the memory.

21:06 <MTughan> I removed it yesterday.

21:06 <MTughan> The eclipse alias.

21:06 <cactaur> ah

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21:07 <cactaur> Can't you set it for August 2010?

21:07 <MTughan> Back to POEM... Taking 157MB of RAM.

21:07 <MTughan> Why?

21:07 <cactaur> Because that's the next eclipse.

21:07 <cactaur> Or, as I've heard.

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21:07 <MTughan> It also returns the time until a date in seconds.

21:07 <cactaur> hahahahahahah

21:08 <MTughan> &until 00:00:00 01/10/10

21:08 <Romulus> MTughan: 59453492

21:08 <Tank_Master> next full eclips is Dec 20th, 2010

21:08 <cactaur> December?

21:08 <MTughan> &math convert [until 00:00:00 01/12/10] seconds to years

21:08 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.88948293151

21:08 <Tank_Master> so I read

21:08 <MTughan> That's not right.

21:09 <MTughan> &math convert [until 00:00:00 12/01/10] seconds to years

21:09 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.77382657836

21:09 <cactaur> much better!

21:09 <MTughan> Much better.

21:09 <xcamel> &math convert [until 00:00:00 12/20/10] seconds to years

21:09 <Romulus> xcamel: 2.82584660089

21:09 <MTughan> It goes mm/dd/yy.

21:10 <MTughan> &alias add "echo [math convert [until 00:00:00 12/20/10] seconds to years] years until the next eclipse!"

21:10 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: 'echo [math convert [until 00:00:00 12/20/10] seconds to years] years until the next eclipse!' is not a valid command name.

21:10 <MTughan> &alias add eclipse "echo [math convert [until 00:00:00 12/20/10] seconds to years] years until the next eclipse!"

21:10 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

21:10 <MTughan> For you.

21:10 <MTughan> &eclipse

21:10 <Romulus> 2.82584441436 years until the next eclipse!

21:11 <MTughan> &alias add eclipse "echo [cut 6 [math convert [until 00:00:00 12/20/10] seconds to years]] years until the next eclipse!"

21:11 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

21:11 <MTughan> &eclipse

21:11 <Romulus> 2.8258 years until the next eclipse!

21:11 <MTughan> A little more concise...

21:11 <Tank_Master> cepts its wrong

21:12 <MTughan> I suppose I could always use my meager knowledge of Python to make a plugin for that.

21:12 <Tank_Master> that to the next FULL

21:12 <MTughan> Full what?

21:12 <Tank_Master> there will be partial eclipses between now and then

21:12 <PovAddict> eclipse duh

21:12 <Tank_Master> lol

21:12 <MTughan> Well, I just make it point to whatever time I'm told.

21:13 <Tank_Master> riigghhtt

21:13 <Tank_Master> hehe

21:14 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

21:14 <MTughan> Can we predict when TM will be back?

21:15 <PovAddict> ohh so THAT is how you customize the iPod touch home screen??

21:15 <PovAddict> o_O

21:15 <PovAddict> <3

21:17 <MTughan> You just feel really dumb right about now?

21:17 <PovAddict> wasn't really *that* intuitive

21:17 <PovAddict> you touch and hold any button on the homescreen

21:17 <PovAddict> and they all start shaking

21:17 <MTughan> lol...

21:17 <PovAddict> while they shake, you can move them around

21:18 <PovAddict>

21:18 <Romulus> <> (at

21:20 <PovAddict> now I wonder how to add web links to the home screen

21:20 <PovAddict> downloading QT video

21:21 <PovAddict> oh duh

21:21 <MTughan> Is there a way for me to compile the core client with x86_64 as the default platform?

21:21 <PovAddict> that + button...

21:21 <PovAddict> Add Bookmark

21:21 <MTughan> Yeah, Apple does + and - buttons.

21:21 <PovAddict> Mail Link to this Page

21:21 <PovAddict> Add to Home Screen

21:21 <PovAddict> those are the options

21:21 <PovAddict> seems when I pressed the +, I only saw the 'add bookmark' and skipped the rest...

21:22 <PovAddict> anyway, can't do much with safari on the ipod...

21:22 <PovAddict> as long as I have this crappy router, internet works for 30 seconds at a time

21:24 <PovAddict> zombie_67: 127 resends

21:26 <MTughan> PovAddict: What does this mean?

21:26 <MTughan> checking jpeglib.h presence... no

21:26 <MTughan> configure: WARNING: jpeglib.h: accepted by the compiler, rejected by the preprocessor!

21:26 <MTughan> configure: WARNING: jpeglib.h: proceeding with the compiler's result

21:26 <PovAddict> ask config.log

21:26 <MTughan> Good point...

21:27 <MTughan> Ah, I see... Missed a configure flag.

21:27 <zombie_67> I am not done uploading

21:27 <zombie_67> but okay

21:27 <MTughan> My configure line now:

21:27 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

21:27 *** xcamel is now known as xcamel_away

21:27 <MTughan> ./configure --disable-server --disable-client CFLAGS="-isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -arch x86_64 -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -O1 -I/opt/local/include" CXXFLAGS="-isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -arch x86_64 -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -O1 -I/opt/local/include" CPPFLAGS=-I/opt/local/include LDFLAGS="-Wl,-syslibroot,/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk -L/opt/local/lib" --host=x86_64-apple-darwin9 --with-apple-opengl-framewor

21:28 <PovAddict> *splode*

21:28 <MTughan> For x86_64.

21:51 <PovAddict> zombie_67: ping

21:52 <PovAddict> zombie_67: how are uploads going on host #113?

21:52 <PovAddict> <- one of the *seven* missing workunits

21:52 <Romulus> <> (at

21:52 <zombie_67> which is 113?

21:52 <PovAddict> 'thor'

21:53 <zombie_67> communication was deffered

21:53 <zombie_67> just hit update

21:53 <PovAddict> on uploads or reporting?

21:53 <zombie_67> reportinf

21:53 <PovAddict> whoa none missing now! it's all done!

21:53 <zombie_67> how about now?

21:53 <zombie_67> one of mine?

21:54 <zombie_67> cool

21:54 <PovAddict> seems that machine had all those 7 (maybe paired with another host, if it was a resend)

21:54 <PovAddict> &echo 221: [boincerr -221], 187: [boincerr -187]

21:54 <Romulus> 221: Aborted by project , 187: result upload failed

21:55 <PovAddict> all images put together: 343MB

21:55 <zombie_67> wow.  I just made a whopping 164 credits!

21:56 <zombie_67> ;)

21:56 <PovAddict> RAC on whole project: 28.524274

21:56 <zombie_67> I saw your server abort one on one of my machines

21:56 <PovAddict> although that's not really accurate to know how much power is available, unless there is constant work for a whole week

21:56 <zombie_67> yeah, I was suspending other projects to make this go fater too

21:56 <zombie_67> faster

21:58 <PovAddict> as soon as there's no more work in progress, I'll send the delete requests for input files

21:58 <zombie_67> do I have any of them?

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22:08 <zombie_67> oo!  Docking had work!

22:08 <PovAddict> I just got their newsletter

22:09 <zombie_67> I didn't

22:11 <zombie_67> work for other platforms.  not win or mac.  must be linux?

22:11 <zombie_67> b 22, 2008 3:30:00

22:11 <zombie_67> To see if everything is still working as it is supposed to work, we have just generated 10 workunits (30 results) 5 minutes ago. The protein-ligand combination is the same we have been using at UTEP (1tng_mod0011), but as this is only for testing that's okay. Let us know if things look okay on your boinc clients and we keep an eye on the server. Thanks!

22:18 * KathrynM is back (gone 03:06:30)

22:19 <zombie_67> docking just sent out some test WUs

22:19 <PovAddict> wb

22:20 <KathrynM> thx

22:20 <KathrynM> what platform for docking?

22:20 <zombie_67> just about all

22:20 <zombie_67> I think the test WUs are for linux

22:20 <PovAddict> URL?

22:20 <KathrynM> Not getting them on my Linux host

22:20 <zombie_67> they have a really complicated HR class

22:20 <KathrynM> oh right

22:20 <KathrynM> now I remember

22:20 <PovAddict> lazy to look it up -- URL?

22:20 <zombie_67>

22:20 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at

22:21 <PovAddict> I meant to attach but thx

22:21 <PovAddict> so many projects, so few computers

22:21 <zombie_67> heh, i have 49,023 there

22:22 <zombie_67> a new project to get to 100k

22:22 * KathrynM wishes zombie_67 would send a compy or 2 to korea

22:23 <zombie_67> heh

22:23 <KathrynM> I'd give a Mac a nice home ;)

22:23 * PovAddict curses his router

22:23 <zombie_67> I'm sure.

22:24 * KathrynM gives PovAddict 's router a dirty look.

22:24 <PovAddict> my dad's mac sometimes has trouble to get on wi-fi

22:25 <PovAddict> my ipod touch lasts 30 seconds connected until everything stops working

22:25 <zombie_67> ugh, their server is still old

22:26 <PovAddict> I'll upgrade it for 20 bucks

22:28 <zombie_67> POV, you blew it.

22:28 <PovAddict> no I didnt :|

22:28 <Romulus> CoderForLife: running sqlite 2.8 with the branch and bound stuff.

22:28 <zombie_67> NM, I just missed it

22:28 <zombie_67> I thought you forgot to post RSS news

22:36 <zombie_67> all the LHC work is gone

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22:53 <MTughan> PovAddict:

22:53 <Romulus> <> (at

22:53 <MTughan> Could that be a permissions issue?

22:53 <PovAddict> could be yeah

22:54 <PovAddict> &boincerr -185

22:54 <Romulus> PovAddict: result start failed

22:54 <MTughan> I've had BURP WUs fail too, checking their statuses.

22:54 <MTughan> And it seems that the BURP site just dropped...

22:55 <MTughan> There it goes...

22:55 <MTughan> WTF? "Sorry. The project server is currently under heavy load and has had to temporarily reject requests from your IP."

22:55 <PovAddict> looks like a BURP-specific feature

22:56 <MTughan> Makes sense.

22:56 <MTughan> Again when I tried to get the result...

22:56 <MTughan> Well, the link:

22:56 <Romulus> <> (at

22:56 <MTughan> That's one that failed, can't check it though.

22:56 <PovAddict> same error

22:57 <MTughan> Here we go...

22:57 <Romulus> <$> (at

22:57 <PovAddict> same error

22:57 <MTughan> Same error, so could be permissions. I was running it under my account. Should I run run_client under root?

22:57 <PovAddict> I'm not sure about mac...

22:58 <MTughan> Linux.

22:58 <PovAddict> then: no you shouldn't, since that would make the client and the science apps be root too

22:58 <MTughan> Mac's fine, this is my Fedora machine.

22:58 <MTughan> Under the boinc user?

22:58 <PovAddict> oh you actually have a boinc user?

22:59 <PovAddict> then of course under that one :)

22:59 <MTughan> Dunno, I think so.

22:59 <PovAddict> who owns the data files?

22:59 <PovAddict> client state and such

22:59 <MTughan> Checking...

22:59 <MTughan> Most are mtughan:mtughan in the top-level dir, but two are root:root.

23:00 <MTughan> I did run it as root a few times.

23:00 <PovAddict> ugh

23:00 <PovAddict> which two are root?

23:00 <MTughan> job_log_www.intelligencerealm.com_aisystem.txt and global_prefs_override.xml

23:00 <MTughan> They're now mtughan:mtughn

23:00 <PovAddict> cd to boinc directory as root and chown -R mtughan:mtughan

23:00 <MTughan> mtughan*

23:01 <PovAddict> (make sure not to run that from the wrong directory...!!)

23:01 <MTughan> Done.

23:01 <MTughan> Restart the core client?

23:01 <PovAddict> now try starting it from your account

23:01 <MTughan> I actually never shut down the client...

23:02 <PovAddict> wow

23:02 <PovAddict>

23:02 <Romulus> <> (at

23:03 <MTughan> Core client restarted.

23:03 <MTughan> lol, nice...

23:04 * KathrynM sighs

23:04 <KathrynM> I wish it were 6:00

23:04 <PovAddict> why?

23:05 <KathrynM> 6 = weekend

23:05 <MTughan> I get the day off school tomorrow. :D

23:05 <KathrynM> :)

23:05 <KathrynM> gotta go back to school now.  Gonna give my next class writing practice.  They get to print "How are you?  I am happy." 15 times.

23:06 <MTughan> Typing class?

23:06 <KathrynM> gotta love 5 year olds :/

23:06 <PovAddict> writing class

23:06 <MTughan> Ah...

23:06 <KathrynM> heck no.  pencil and paper

23:06 <KathrynM> :)

23:06 <KathrynM> laters

23:06 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

23:06 <MTughan> What, they're gonna bash the keyboards?

23:06 <MTughan> The kids in JK at my old school use the computers. Those are 4-year olds.

23:06 <PovAddict> they're used to writing those korean hieroglyphs

23:06 <PovAddict> err characters

23:06 <MTughan> Not often, but still...

23:06 <zombie_67> gotta run

23:07 <zombie_67> c ya

23:07 <MTughan> PovAddict: You can use a QWERTY keyboard to type Korean.

23:07 <PovAddict> MTughan: korean kids may not know how to write in our alphabet?

23:07 <MTughan> ㅏㅣㅏㄴ너리ㅏㅇㄴ티런이ㅏ털ㄴㅇ

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23:07 <MTughan> Random Korean.

23:07 <Bad_At_Home> evening all

23:08 <MTughan> And how do you think that our Korean trade student knows the keys if he's never seen an English keyboard? He can type Korean on it easily enough.

23:08 <MTughan> 'lo Bad

23:08 <PovAddict> I'm not talking about keyboards

23:09 <MTughan> What then?

23:09 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

23:09 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 32.9F / 0.5C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 23.56in / 797.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Tonight - A chance of snow in the evening...snow after midnight. Snow accumulation 2 to 3 inches. Lows 25 to 31. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the late evening and overnight.; Friday - Breezy. Snow and rain in the (1 more message)

23:09 <PovAddict> 5-year-old korean kids knowing how to write korean letters in pencil and paper but not our alphabet

23:09 <Bad_At_Home> &more

23:09 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: morning...snow and rain showers likely in the afternoon. Snow accumulation 2 to 3 inches. Snow level 6000 feet. Highs 34 to 40. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. Little or no snow accumulation. Snow level 6000 feet. Lows 25 to 31. Southwest winds around 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the evening.;

23:09 <MTughan> I still don't understand...

23:10 <PovAddict> what if I give you a paper and tell you to write some korean letters; even if you don't know korean language

23:10 <MTughan> I'm not saying they have to write in English for them to type.

23:11 <PovAddict> and I'm not talking about keyboards

23:11 <MTughan> Okay... I don't think we're understanding each other...

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