IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-02-22

00:01 <MTughan> &cad

00:01 <Romulus>

00:01 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:01 <Romulus>

00:02 <MTughan> They're really good today...

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01:02 <MTughan> Off to bed...

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01:49 * Tank_Master is listening to: DivideByZero and Chris Bishop - Night of 60,000 Beats (A Tag`s Trip Exclusive - 7 Hour 45 Minute Live Set (Recorded Live 09.04.01))

01:49 <mweltin> hey Tank_Master

01:50 <Tank_Master> sup?

01:50 <Wabbit67> hmmmm

01:50 <Tank_Master> this is one lonnngg song!

01:50 <mweltin> about ready to give up on STLport again

01:50 * Wabbit67 bribes mw to get the shortest length BF WU

01:50 <Tank_Master> oh?

01:50 <Romulus> It has been said that oh is it like SocialBorg, Tank_Master

01:50 <Wabbit67> don't give up on your dreams

01:50 <Tank_Master> fuch you, rummie

01:51 * Tank_Master wonders if he should stay up for till the end of the song

01:51 <Wabbit67> a 7 hour song?

01:51 <Tank_Master> 7h 45min

01:52 <Tank_Master> hehe :)

01:52 <Wabbit67> what happens if a musician needs to take a crap?

01:52 <Tank_Master> LOL

01:52 <Tank_Master> its techno - moslty eltronic kayboard anyway

01:52 <mweltin> mostly crap?

01:52 <Tank_Master> so your already sittin on a pot, might as well make it functional

01:53 <Tank_Master> what good so a chare anyway if you cant crap in it?

01:55 <mweltin> did you see I made user of the day yesterday on tsp

01:55 <Wabbit67> you run the project

01:55 <Tank_Master> no

01:55 <Wabbit67> you can user of the day everyday

01:55 <Tank_Master> lol

01:56 * Wabbit67 is trying to start a religion based on the teachings of Monty Python

01:57 * Tank_Master quietly moves away to get the tazzer

01:57 <Wabbit67> bah

01:57 <mweltin> that hasn't happened yet?

01:57 <Wabbit67> you know you want to join

01:57 <Wabbit67> mw not offically

01:58 <Tank_Master> Im supprised - I meen if Winter-enn-mis can be a religon....

01:58 <Wabbit67> is that really a religion now

01:58 <Tank_Master> y not?

01:58 <Tank_Master> te commic says it is...

01:58 <Wabbit67> then I can form the religion of Ni

01:59 <Wabbit67> I am the grand pontiff

01:59 <Tank_Master> isnt it already?

01:59 <Wabbit67> we do not have tax exempted status yet

01:59 <Wabbit67> or churches

01:59 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:59 <Wabbit67> or gravy

01:59 <Tank_Master> haha

01:59 <Tank_Master> those are just material items

02:00 <Wabbit67> I can give you a high ranking position in the church if you join now

02:00 <Romulus> some are really broken on the map

02:00 <Tank_Master> heh

02:00 <Wabbit67> how does being the ArchNish of Oregon sound as a title?

02:00 <Tank_Master> ArchNish?

02:01 <Wabbit67> like a Archbishop

02:01 <Tank_Master> sounds like asrnic

02:01 <Wabbit67> I already have a Grand Inquisitor

02:01 <mweltin> I just want to be Minister of Funny Walks

02:02 <Wabbit67> the teachings of Michael Palin can bring peace to the world

02:02 <Wabbit67> only if you study his Gospel

02:02 <Tank_Master> I was never to good at the hole sitting and reading thing

02:02 <Tank_Master> requieres to much sitting and reading

02:02 <Wabbit67> you just have to watch the show

02:02 <Wabbit67> and movies

02:03 <Tank_Master> yeah, bout the films...

02:03 <Tank_Master> the quality sucks

02:03 <Tank_Master> no tru HD recording

02:03 <Wabbit67> I am afraid you need a visit from the Inquisition

02:03 <Wabbit67> also they had no HD technology back then

02:03 <Wabbit67> would you like it if the Bible was in HD?

02:04 <Tank_Master> I meen, isnt it more punishment to force someone to watch in antiquated lowdef?

02:04 <Tank_Master> bible already it in HD

02:04 <efc> Color HD?

02:05 <Tank_Master> can get much sharper than the real virtual reality we already live it

02:05 <Tank_Master> and yes, the bible is black and white, and red all over

02:05 <efc> Its a little known fact that TV has always been color; its just that the world was B/W up to 1960.

02:05 <Tank_Master> so thats enough color

02:05 <Tank_Master> lol

02:05 <Wabbit67> hehehe

02:06 <Wabbit67> the color of blood

02:06 <Wabbit67> maybe Jesus was a vampire

02:06 <Tank_Master> what about the stills?

02:06 <Tank_Master> people were pained in color

02:07 <efc> The paintings turned to color along with everything else, duh

02:07 <Tank_Master> right

02:08 * Tank_Master is listening to: Future Breeze - Ocean Of Eternity (Future Breeze`s Weird Mix)

02:12 <Tank_Master> anywho - GN

02:12 <mweltin> night

02:12 <Wabbit67> later all

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02:43 <efc> &weather 31088

02:43 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 46°F / 8°C | Humidity: 99% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1016hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Occasional rain...then occasional rain and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 40s. Near steady temperature in the mid 40s. East winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Friday - Occasional rain and thunderstorms (2 more messages)

02:53 <efc> &weather yakutsk

02:53 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -17°F / -27°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM YAKT; Overcast. High:-20 ° F. / -29 ° C.; Overcast. Low:-27 ° F. / -33 ° C.; Overcast. High:-11 ° F. / -24 ° C.; Overcast. Low:-14 ° F. / -26 ° C.; Overcast. High:-11 ° F. / -24 ° C.; Overcast. Low:-22 ° F. / -30 ° C.;

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04:27 <CoderForLife> morning

04:28 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:28 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 26.4°F / -3.1°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Periods of freezing rain and rain. Ice accumulation of up to a tenth of an inch. Highs in the lower 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of snow and freezing rain in (1 more message)

04:28 <Romulus> All right... Sort issues are fixed

04:28 <CoderForLife> I'm glad you sorted things out, Rommie

04:29 <efc> Zzzz

04:29 <CoderForLife> hey efc

04:30 <efc> cleared off the bedroom floot

04:31 <efc> can see the bugs now

04:31 <CoderForLife> flotsam

04:31 <CoderForLife> &dict flotsam

04:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, gcide, and bouvier responded: wn: flotsam n : the floating wreckage of a ship [syn: {jetsam}]; bouvier: FLOTSAM, or FLOTSAN. A name for the goods which float upon the sea when a ship is sunk, in distinction from Jetsam, (q.v.) and Legan. (q.v.) Bract. lib. 2, c. 5; 5 Co. 106; Com. Dig. Wreck, A Bac. Ab. Court of Admiralty, B; gcide: Flotsam \Flot"sam\, Flotson \Flot"son\, n. [F. (1 more message)

04:32 <CoderForLife> &dict jetsam

04:32 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: jetsam n 1: the part of a ship's equipment or cargo that is thrown overboard to lighten the load in a storm 2: the floating wreckage of a ship [syn: {flotsam}]; moby-thes: 19 Moby Thesaurus words for "jetsam": castaway, castoff, derelict, discard, dogie, flotsam, flotsam and jetsam, foundling, junk, lagan, orphan, refuse, reject, rubbish, trash, (2 more messages)

04:32 <CoderForLife> &dict legan

04:32 <Romulus> CoderForLife: No definition for "legan" could be found.

04:33 <CoderForLife> hmm - interesting

04:35 <Bad_At_Home> &weather 86046

04:35 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: Temperature: 32.2°F / 0.1°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 23.54in / 797.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Tonight - A chance of snow in the evening...snow after midnight. Snow accumulation 2 to 3 inches. Lows 25 to 31. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the late evening and overnight.; Friday - Breezy. Snow and rain in the (1 more message)

04:35 <Bad_At_Home> &more

04:35 <Romulus> Bad_At_Home: morning...snow and rain showers likely in the afternoon. Snow accumulation 2 to 3 inches. Snow level 6000 feet. Highs 34 to 40. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. Little or no snow accumulation. Snow level 6000 feet. Lows 25 to 31. Southwest winds around 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the evening.;

04:40 <CoderForLife> morning Bad_At_Home

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04:45 <Bad_At_Home> Mornin CFL

04:50 <efc> was 30 below somewhere?

04:51 <CoderForLife> probably on Mars

04:51 <FreeLarry58> dang the quads down - looks like the video card may have fried

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04:59 * CoderForLife checks w@#% and school closings

05:02 <CoderForLife> all surrounding schools are closed today

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05:06 <FreeLarry58> well it is still winter

05:06 <FreeLarry58> guess i have to stop at comp shop on way to w/*- today to get another vid card and see if thats all thats wrong

05:19 <CoderForLife> with no cancellation, I guess I need to start getting ready for w@#%

05:20 <CoderForLife> later

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05:41 <KathrynM> Happy Friday

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05:46 <clusty> hey

05:46 <clusty> where is markus

05:46 <clusty> long time did not see the fella

05:46 <KathrynM> he was on earlier

06:02 <clusty> guess the time difference is too big

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06:14 <andresgr> So... one can sequence his own genome today. Incredible...

06:14 <andresgr>

06:14 <Romulus> <> (at

06:21 <hawmps> 'lo

06:23 <wdsmia> yawn

06:30 <hawmps> ditto..

06:40 <MTughan> 'lo Doug, Jay

06:40 <wdsmia> mornin

06:41 <MTughan> Don't have school today, but I'm up anyway.

06:41 <MTughan> Have to take my dad to a GO Transit station.

07:17 <hawmps> have phun..

07:18 <hawmps> snowing here - earlier than expected..

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08:00 <ELGono> Host Project Date Message

08:00 <ELGono> --- 21.02.2008 14:42:04 Memory: 128.00 MB physical, 272.00 MB virtual

08:00 <ELGono> --- 21.02.2008 14:42:04 Processor: 1 Silicon Graphics, Inc. IP22

08:00 <ELGono> SETI@home 21.02.2008 14:42:04 Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform

08:00 <ELGono> --- 21.02.2008 14:42:04 Data directory: /usr/nekoware/boinc

08:00 <ELGono> --- 21.02.2008 14:42:04 libcurl/7.15.0 OpenSSL/0.9.7j zlib/1.2.3 libidn/0.5.4

08:00 <ELGono> --- 21.02.2008 14:42:04 Starting BOINC client version 5.4.9 for mips-sgi-irix

08:01 <ELGono> the old lady is running seti with ~ 80MFLOpS

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08:38 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

08:38 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 52.6°F / 11.4°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.32in / 992.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 7.0mph / 11.3km/h ; Today - Numerous showers in the morning...then isolated showers in the afternoon. Highs 57 to 62 in the western valleys to 52 to 57 near the foothills. Winds south 15 mph. Chance of measurable precipitation 70 percent.; Tonight - (2 more messages)

08:39 <Soul_keeper> &more

08:39 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 42 to 51. Light winds. Chance of measurable precipitation 20 percent.; Saturday - Partly cloudy. Highs 57 to 62. Light winds.; Flood Watch / Flood Statement for San Diego County in effect until 9:15 AM PST on February 22, 2008; Special Weather Statement for San Diego (1 more message)

08:39 <Soul_keeper> &more

08:39 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: County in effect until 11:00 AM PST on February 22, 2008;

08:39 <Romulus> It's just worked for intel for a while then

08:40 <Soul_keeper> ok

08:40 <Soul_keeper> hmmm my pet guppy died :(

08:40 <clusty> guppy as in fish?

08:41 <clusty> or guppy=puppy :D?

08:41 <Soul_keeper> i forgot to feed him for like 3 or 4 days

08:41 <Soul_keeper> yeah the fish

08:42 <Soul_keeper> the only pet i have enough responsibility for

08:42 <Soul_keeper> had*

08:45 <clusty> i might sound heartless, but no loss

08:45 <clusty> guppies are renowned for beign prolific

08:46 <clusty> with minimal care they will multiply like rabbits

08:48 <Soul_keeper> yeah the bastard shoulda been stronger

08:49 <Soul_keeper> the wild gambusia i got survives fine if i don't feed it ...

08:49 <Romulus> but thats her dream

08:49 <Soul_keeper> Romulus, yes, yes it is

08:49 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).

08:50 <MTughan> &yes

08:50 <Romulus> Wish I knew.

08:50 <MTughan> ..

08:51 <PovAddict> &a is b

08:51 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).

08:51 <clusty> &drop dead

08:51 <Romulus> I don't know!

08:51 <clusty> :D

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09:16 <MTughan> WTF?

09:16 <Romulus> <> (at

09:18 <hawmps> &Katz!

09:18 <Romulus> hawmps: "Katz!" could be

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10:28 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

10:29 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

10:40 <Lorvija> hell.. nice difference between apache2 and lighttpd.. (: lighttpd is over 0.3s faster on huge php page which does tons of db queries...

10:41 <MTughan> lol...

10:41 <Lorvija> though pretty easy queries and from small db..

10:41 <MTughan> It's because DB queries aren't dependent on the webserver.

10:42 <Lorvija> well :P i mean that the fastcgi module works better with that php part than the one apache has.. and that the php code goes faster.. (:

10:43 <Lorvija> as it goes through around 200 000 lines of php code on one page load..

10:43 <MTughan> Nice...

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10:43 <Lorvija> only on 0.061 sec :E

10:43 <Lorvija> apache took 0.320s :/

10:44 <Lorvija> and my server is just crap server.. sempron 2800+ cpu and pretty slow memory etc..

10:44 <MTughan> I've got a P4 with DDR400 RAM crunching downstairs.

10:44 <Lorvija> =) nice

10:45 <Lorvija> though now the db has only around 200 lines... wonder how much it'll be slower when it's around 100 000.... or 100 0000 :E

10:46 <MTughan> Some advice: don't think about it. :P

10:46 <Lorvija> gotta.. :/

10:47 <Lorvija> the db will grow around 30 000-50 000 lines per year... per table

10:47 <MTughan> Ouch...

10:47 <Lorvija> aye

10:48 <Lorvija> customer db and reservation etc :/

10:48 <MTughan> Do you keep old records?

10:48 <Lorvija> aye

10:48 <Lorvija> everything

10:48 <MTughan> Maybe you should think about shuttling old records off to another server...

10:49 <Lorvija> aye.. gotta do that at some point (: but dont have to think about that yet.. gotta just get that my app online..

10:49 <Lorvija> been coding it since last summer (:

10:49 <MTughan> Wow...

10:49 <Lorvija> though not full time but anyways (:

10:49 <Romulus> So it is only feasible read-only imho

10:50 <Lorvija> gonna be fun when i got 10 customers all using that same app and they all have their own databases etc :P

10:50 <Lorvija> i guess the server gonna have some hard time :D

10:51 <Lorvija> hmm btw u know anything about debian..?

10:52 <MTughan> I've done stuff on Ubuntu.

10:52 <Lorvija> well i got apache2  installed.. though cant remove it

10:52 <Lorvija> :E

10:53 <Lorvija> hmm i'll try to reinstall and then remove :

10:53 <Lorvija> E: Couldn't find package apache2.conf

10:53 <MTughan> Reinstall Apache?

10:53 <Lorvija> and that one is fun error

10:53 <MTughan> &xkcd

10:53 <Romulus>

10:54 <Lorvija> :P

10:55 <MTughan> lol... From farther down the page: "We did not invent the algorithm. The algorithm consistently finds Jesus. The algorithm killed Jeeves. The algorithm is banned in China. The algorithm is from Jersey. The algorithm constantly finds Jesus. This is not the algorithm. This is close."

10:55 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

10:55 <MTughan> Huh?

10:55 <MTughan> Oh, farther...

10:55 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

10:55 <Lorvija> :P

10:58 <PovAddict> Lorvija: a combination I'm interested in... lighttpd+tomcat

10:58 <Lorvija> hmm... never used tomcat (:

10:58 <PovAddict> tomcat is already heavy, why put something as heavy as apache in front?

10:58 <Lorvija> what's tomcat anyways? heard about it pretty much...

10:58 <PovAddict> and the whole point of not using tomcat alone is that apache is faster than tomcat at serving static files

10:59 <PovAddict> but then lighttpd is even faster :)

10:59 <MTughan> Tomcat is a Java server?

10:59 <PovAddict> Tomcat is a Java servlet container

10:59 <MTughan> Or am I thinking of something else.

10:59 <Lorvija> hmm okay.. (: not going to need that thing for a while then.. just learning java atm

11:03 <Lorvija> gah.. need own ip for ssl enabled server.. :E

11:04 <Lorvija> sucks

11:04 <MTughan> Why do you need SSL?

11:04 <Romulus> if you had fun..

11:04 <Lorvija> well the companies i sell this app put their whole customer db here (:

11:04 <Lorvija> for example. (:

11:04 <MTughan> Oh, right... And you told us that too.

11:04 * PovAddict thinks it's weird Lorvija makes smileys the wrong way around

11:05 * MTughan smacks his head against a concrete wall

11:05 * PovAddict picks up the pieces

11:05 <PovAddict> pieces of wall I mean

11:05 <Lorvija> PovAddict well i got used to that because of msn.. msn doesnt understand (: as a smiley

11:05 <Lorvija> and i hate the darn picture smileys

11:05 <PovAddict> Lorvija: ah, and you wanted a text-only smiley, so you made it upside down

11:05 <MTughan> Thanks, I have a hard head now, do I?

11:05 <PovAddict> well you can disable smileys on MSN y'know...

11:06 <PovAddict> MTughan: no I didn't mean that

11:06 <Lorvija> PovAddict ye but not on others (:

11:06 <MTughan> :D

11:06 <PovAddict> MTughan: I just meant I care more about the wall than your head

11:06 <PovAddict> XD

11:06 <PovAddict> j/k

11:06 <MTughan> np, I bash textbooks against my head to "gross" out people anyway.

11:07 <MTughan> It's rather amusing.

11:08 <MTughan> PovAddict: Thanks, seems that BOINC isn't crashing any tasks anymore.

11:17 <MTughan> PovAddict: Do you know what library HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec would be in?

11:18 <MTughan> Wonder if there's a libcurl...

11:19 <PovAddict> ./client/http_curl.C:256

11:19 <MTughan> There is a libcurl. Getting undefined symbols.

11:19 <MTughan> Yep, it's not being linked in.

11:19 <PovAddict> HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec is not part of libcurl

11:20 <MTughan> Shoot... Sorry, curl_slist_append.

11:20 <PovAddict> ah that it is :)

11:22 <MTughan> Hmm... From boinc_client-gui_rpc_server_ops.C, I have get_filesystem_info(double&, double&, char*) missing.

11:22 <MTughan> That seems like one from BOINC.

11:23 <PovAddict> lib/filesys.C:646

11:23 <MTughan> Oh, it's expecting stuff in lib to be built first...

11:25 <MTughan> -l<library> doesn't work for .a's does it?

11:25 <PovAddict> -l works only for .a's really

11:26 <PovAddict> -lfoo searches for libfoo.a on the search paths

11:26 <MTughan> Hmm... libboinc.a wasn't being picked up with -lboinc.

11:26 <MTughan> Or the symbols not in it.

11:26 <PovAddict> probably because libboinc.a is not on the search path

11:26 <MTughan> There was an explicit -L for it right before.

11:26 <PovAddict> call the linker with -Wl,--verbose, and better pipe that to a file or less or something

11:29 <PovAddict> -Wl,-whatever will make gcc/g++ call ld (the actual linker) with -whatever

11:29 <MTughan> Yeah, I know. I use it.

11:29 <MTughan> -Wl,-syslibroot,<sdkpath>

11:29 <MTughan> ld: unknown option: --verbose

11:30 <PovAddict> I'm sure I have been using it...

11:31 <PovAddict> GNU ld version 2.17.50 20060824

11:31 <PovAddict> --verbose                   Output lots of information during link

11:31 <Romulus> making me think GCC wasn't doing what hawmps is saying

11:32 <hawmps> lol

11:33 <PovAddict> whoa

11:33 <PovAddict> I still have pendings from BURP

11:34 <PovAddict> oldest going back to 7 Jan 2008

11:36 <MTughan> What command did you use up there to get the options?

11:36 <PovAddict> ld --help

11:36 <MTughan> ld64: For information on command line options please use 'man ld'.

11:37 <MTughan> man ld turns up nothing about verbose.

11:37 <PovAddict> ld --version

11:37 <MTughan> Unknown option.

11:37 <PovAddict> o.o

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11:37 <PovAddict> -v? -V?

11:38 <zombie67> for vendetta

11:38 <MTughan> V got nothing. v got "@(#)PROGRAM:ld  PROJECT:ld64-77"

11:38 <zombie67> hi MT.  I have a question for you about the RS OSX x86_64 app

11:38 <MTughan> K.

11:39 <zombie67> when it is released, will I need to have a x86_64 boinc client to run it?

11:39 <MTughan> Not sure. I'm seeing if I can build the x86_64 core client now.

11:39 <zombie67> or can I use my current client, with an app_info.xml file?

11:39 <MTughan> Just linking errors on the last step preventing me.

11:40 <MTughan> You can use your current client with an app_info.

11:40 <zombie67> thanks.  I wasn't sure if a 32 bit client could manage 64 bit apps

11:40 <MTughan> Sure it can. The client doesn't manage the apps. Just starts 'em.

11:41 <zombie67> next Q:  will a x86_64 OSX boinc client work like it does for win?  Like if the server does not have a 64 bit app, a 32 bit app will be sent instead?

11:41 <MTughan> PovAddict: I'm starting to wonder if filesystem is being compiled in...

11:42 <MTughan> zombie67: Hopefully. I don't know the answer though.

11:42 <PovAddict> yes, if it has a *main* platform of x86_64 and an alt-platform of intelx86

11:42 <zombie67> pov:  how is that set?  on th werver?

11:43 <zombie67> the server?

11:43 <Romulus> I guess the server is ooooooooold, zombie67

11:43 <MTughan> filesys being compiled in...

11:44 <MTughan> Damn it... The whole functions commented out!

11:44 <MTughan> I think I did that too... :P

11:45 <zombie67> AI is down

11:45 <zombie67> pov:  did you see the admin's response on lhc?

11:46 <zombie67> "not my fault!"

11:49 <MTughan> There... libboinc remade with get_filesystem_info...

11:49 <PovAddict> yes and I replied

11:49 <Romulus> The nerve of him to uninstall BOINC.

11:49 <MTughan> rofl

11:49 <PovAddict> Romulus: forget the server

11:49 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: There is no such factoid.

11:49 <PovAddict> brokenbot

11:49 <MTughan> Yay, it worked!

11:49 <zombie67>

11:49 <Romulus> <> (at

11:51 <zombie67> what worked?  which thing are you trying to build now?

11:51 <hawmps> Bunch O'Morons..

11:51 <MTughan> I'm building an x86_64 version of the core client. :D

11:51 <zombie67> ah

11:51 <hawmps> ha-ha-ha-havahrd

11:51 <MTughan> That should ask for x86_64 first then i686.

11:51 <zombie67> sweet!

11:51 <zombie67> want me to try it?

11:52 <MTughan> So what I might try to do is clear out the WUs from a machine, then we'll stick it in.

11:52 <MTughan> How long would that take?

11:53 <zombie67> I only have the one machine w/ leopard and 64 bit CPUs.  The 8-way.

11:53 <zombie67> lemme see

11:53 <MTughan> Also, PovAddict: How do you define the alt platform for the core client? There was a boinc_alt_platform variable in the Makefile, but I don't know if that's where it is.

11:54 <zombie67> about 15 hours, if I abort any unstarted tasks

11:54 <MTughan> I'd just wait. Don't risk screwing those tasks up.

11:54 <MTughan> Because we are dealing with the heart of BOINC here.

11:55 <zombie67> is what you built, both the client and the manager?

11:55 <MTughan> Just the client.

11:55 <MTughan> I never got wxWidgets built.

11:56 <zombie67> will I still be able to use the current manager with it?

11:56 <MTughan> Oh yeah!

11:56 <MTughan> The core client is in the manager.

11:56 <zombie67> cool.  how do I install just the client?

11:56 <MTughan> You'll have to stick it in the Manager, then set the permissions.

11:56 <MTughan> You're wanting to do it now?

11:57 <zombie67> not do it now, but get the instructions and the cleint now.

11:57 <MTughan> Ah, I see... Okay, one sec.

11:57 <zombie67> then, once all my work is dried up, I won't need to wait

11:57 <zombie67> to talk to you

11:57 <MTughan> Yeah, cause I'll be gone for a while later today.

11:57 <zombie67> so I show package contents

11:58 <MTughan> PovAddict: boinc or boinc_client?

11:58 <PovAddict> wtf

11:58 <PovAddict> I just got a hundred messages all at once

11:58 <Romulus> pov back to w@#%

11:58 <MTughan> zombie67: Yep, Show Package Contents, then Contents, Resources.

11:58 <zombie67> private messages on the irc server?

11:58 <zombie67> I had that happen too

11:59 <MTughan> No, I think he meant messages in here.

11:59 <zombie67> MT:  yep, i see it there

11:59 <zombie67> yes, here on the IRC server

11:59 <MTughan> Anyway... PovAddict: Which is the core client? boinc or boinc_client?

11:59 <PovAddict> there's two?

11:59 <PovAddict> same size?

11:59 <zombie67> I do not have a boinc_client

11:59 <PovAddict> or similar...

11:59 <PovAddict> i think one is the original and the other is what you compiled

11:59 <MTughan> boinc is 528KB, boinc_client is 596KB.

12:00 <MTughan> Both boinc and boinc_client are x86_64.

12:00 <PovAddict> weird shit

12:00 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

12:00 <PovAddict> run both with --version

12:00 <MTughan> I can't.

12:00 <PovAddict> because you don't have x64 - damn

12:01 <MTughan> Ah...

12:01 <MTughan> cp boinc_client boinc.unmodified

12:01 <MTughan> strip boinc

12:01 <MTughan> There's one in the middle, hold on...

12:01 <MTughan> cp boinc_client boinc.unmodified

12:01 <MTughan> /bin/ln boinc_client boinc

12:01 <MTughan> strip boinc

12:02 <PovAddict> then boinc_client and boinc should be the same

12:02 <MTughan> So boinc and boinc_client are the same, except boinc is stripped?

12:02 <PovAddict> in fact, they are the same file with two names

12:02 <PovAddict> unless strip creates a new file instead of modifying in-place

12:02 <MTughan> They have different sizes.

12:02 <PovAddict> boinc.unmodified one should have debugging info

12:02 <MTughan> And different MD5s.

12:03 <MTughan> boinc_client and boinc.unmodified are the same.

12:04 <MTughan> Should I just send both off to zombie and have you decide later?

12:04 <MTughan> boinc seems to be the one used in the official client.

12:05 <MTughan> strip takes out debugging symbols, right?

12:05 <PovAddict> yes and some more

12:05 <PovAddict> send the one

12:05 <PovAddict> err

12:06 <PovAddict> send the one *with* debugging, in case it crashes

12:06 <MTughan> K...

12:07 <MTughan>

12:07 <Romulus> <> (at

12:08 <MTughan> zombie67: What you'll have to do from there is rename the existing boinc to something else, then rename the one above to boinc and copy it in.

12:08 <zombie67> got it.  I will need to rename to "boinc" and make permissions/ownership match current version, right?

12:08 <PovAddict> yes

12:08 <zombie67> heh

12:08 <MTughan> chown boinc_master:boinc_project and chmod 0444

12:09 <zombie67> okay.  I'll set to NNW, and then give it a shot.

12:09 <MTughan> If any permissions issues come up, PovAddict should be able to help. OS X is just Unix after all.

12:09 <zombie67> k

12:09 <zombie67> it may take up to a day.

12:10 <MTughan> That's fine, I'm not in a hurry.

12:10 <MTughan> This is still my own thing I'm doing.

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12:10 <MTughan> PovAddict: Where is the alt platform set?

12:11 <PovAddict> in cc_config.xml

12:11 <PovAddict> or hardcoded... somewhere

12:11 <MTughan> Yeah, hardcoded was what I was wondering.

12:11 <PovAddict> client/cs_platforms.C:60

12:11 <zombie67> Is there a line I should add to my cc_config file when I try the new client?

12:12 <MTughan> Oh, it does it automatically... Awesome.

12:12 <MTughan> Nope, it'll automatically get x86_64, then i686, then powerpc.

12:13 <zombie67> cool

12:13 <zombie67> then why did I need to set app_info for chess on win64?

12:14 <MTughan> You shouldn't have needed to...

12:14 <zombie67> but I did

12:14 <PovAddict> well not on that client

12:14 <PovAddict> on MTughan's client, you won't need to

12:14 <PovAddict> on the official one, main platform is x86, alt platform is PPC, and that's it

12:14 <zombie67> I mean for windows

12:14 <MTughan> This is also the very latest commit. Updated just before building.

12:14 <zombie67> chess would not send x86 to my X86_64 machines

12:15 <PovAddict> if you have a x64 client, and chess has the right platform name for x64, and it has a decently-new server, it should work

12:15 <zombie67> oh, so it also needs a modern server.

12:15 <zombie67> well, that's why.  chess server is oooooooooold

12:17 <PovAddict> does chess have a x64 app?

12:19 <MTughan> Now the real cool thing... If this x86_64 app works, it can be lipo'd into the official client... :P

12:19 <PovAddict> wait

12:20 <PovAddict> did you use trunk?

12:20 <MTughan> Yeah.

12:20 <PovAddict> zombie67: you have a 6.1.8 client :)

12:20 <MTughan> The configure script must not have been updated... Still says 6.1.7.

12:21 <PovAddict> well I mean not a 5.x

12:21 <MTughan> Don't they use the 6.1.x builds already?

12:21 <PovAddict> yes but still beta

12:21 <PovAddict> wtf

12:22 <PovAddict> still no update for Linux?

12:22 <MTughan> 5.10.28, I know.

12:22 <PovAddict> 5.10.42 vs 5.10.28...

12:22 <MTughan> Yep.

12:22 <MTughan> I'm running .42 on my Mac, .28 on the Linux.

12:22 <MTughan> So the "bleeding edge". :P

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12:26 <MTughan> What did you see last?

12:26 <PovAddic1> <MTughan> So the "bleeding edge". :P

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12:26 <MTughan> That's the latest.

12:54 <zombie67> back

12:55 <zombie67> I use 5.10.42

13:51 <Tank_Master> I think they are woking on a new 5.x linux client before releaseing a new 6.x client

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14:59 <KathrynM> &weather Ulsan

14:59 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 49°F / 9°C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 3:00 AM KST; Partly Cloudy. High:53 ° F. / 12 ° C.; Clear. Low:37 ° F. / 3 ° C.; Clear. High:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:28 ° F. / -2 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:28 ° F. / -2 ° C.;

15:00 <KathrynM> hmmmm....

15:00 * KathrynM thinks the winds are a lot higher than that now

15:00 <KathrynM> I'm feeling a bit like Dorthy in the Wizard of Oz.

15:23 <Tank_Master> dumb and blond?

15:27 <Tank_Master> 2/22/2008 7:27:21 AM|Artificial Intelligence System|Message from server: You may have an outdated code verification key.  This may prevent you from accepting new executables.  If the problem persists, detach/attach the project.

15:27 <Tank_Master> thats not a good thing, right?

15:27 <PovAddict> AIS keeps screwing up

15:28 <Tank_Master> yeah it does

15:28 <Tank_Master> el piece of crappo

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15:42 <FreeLarry58> morning all

15:42 <Tank_Master> afternoon

15:43 * FreeLarry58 is just crawling out of bed

15:43 <FreeLarry58> must be morning

15:44 <FreeLarry58> still cant believe his best cruncher sidelined due to vid card fan burnout

15:44 * FreeLarry58 that teaches him to reuse old equipment

15:45 <FreeLarry58> wonder how much longer before the hd's go

15:45 <Tank_Master> I cant wait for SSDs to become cheeper

15:45 <PovAddict> solid state storage?

15:45 <Tank_Master> ya

15:45 <FreeLarry58> hope it didn't mess up the f8 install while running with bad card

15:46 <PovAddict> yeah that's so damn expensive

15:46 <PovAddict> also, they need to increase the write cycles if they want it as a HDD replacement

15:46 <Tank_Master> Intel just anounced a new flash chip design

15:46 <FreeLarry58> it fairly cheap now but still very limited due to state changes in materials

15:46 <Tank_Master> capible of 180MB/s reand and 100MB/s wright

15:46 <Tank_Master> read*

15:47 <PovAddict> Tank_Master speaks typo

15:47 <Tank_Master> no,  keyboard does that for me

15:47 <FreeLarry58> lol i always blame my ignorant fngers

15:47 <FreeLarry58> as cant use small kb's

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16:21 * xcamel_away is back.

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16:21 <xcamel> 'lo

16:21 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay

16:23 <xcamel> ip kill >>

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16:37 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo

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16:42 <yoyo[RKN]> morning Tank_Master

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16:56 <PovAddict> holy crap

16:57 <PovAddict> &linux

16:57 <Romulus> PovAddict: "linux" could be

16:57 <PovAddict> &linuxgfx

16:57 <Romulus> Dunno.

16:57 <yoyo[RKN]> &test

16:57 <Romulus> No idea.

16:57 <yoyo[RKN]> &boinc

16:57 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: BOINC news Feb 12, 2008 <> ~~ BOINC news Feb 11, 2008 <> ~~ BOINC news Feb 7, 2008 <> ~~ BOINC news Jan 31, 2008 <> ~~ BOINC news Jan 31, 2008 <> ~~ BOINC news Jan 24, 2008 (1 more message)

16:57 <PovAddict> &factoids change linux 1 s/28/42/

16:57 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

16:57 <PovAddict> &linux

16:57 <Romulus> PovAddict: "linux" could be

16:58 <PovAddict> &factoids change linux64 1 s/28/42/

16:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

16:58 <xcamel> full graphics and manager now?

16:59 <PovAddict> both "ubuntu" and "compatible" builds have been finally updated to .42

17:00 <PovAddict> &win

17:00 <Romulus> I don't have a clue, PovAddict.

17:00 <xcamel> didn't answer my question..

17:00 <PovAddict> didn't it *always* have full graphics and manager now?

17:00 <xcamel> plain linux didn't include boincmgr

17:00 <PovAddict> 'ubuntu' build did

17:00 <xcamel> ubuntu did

17:00 <PovAddict> nothing has changed about that

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17:01 <xcamel> we'll try it..

17:01 <xcamel> the graphic version is still just fine for fedora

17:02 <xcamel> dl is a bit slow..

17:04 <xcamel> yup.. works..

17:16 <CoderForLife> hello

17:16 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:16 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

17:17 <CoderForLife> somewhere along in this timeframe is my 3-year anniversary of starting to hang around in #boinc

17:18 <xcamel> probably..

17:18 <CoderForLife> that and a buck fifty...

17:19 <xcamel> never really kept track of it..

17:19 <xcamel> being double parked in a parallel universe and all...

17:20 <CoderForLife> I had one good chat with "zanz" I think it was that day, and he never came back

17:20 <CoderForLife> said he was giving up boinc

17:21 <CoderForLife> and he maybe have said something about a spaceship and a comet

17:21 <CoderForLife> but I'm not sure

17:23 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

17:23 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 31.1°F / -0.5°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Areas of light freezing rain and freezing drizzle this evening...then a slight chance of freezing drizzle after midnight. Areas of freezing fog. Lows in the mid 20s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 (1 more message)

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17:23 <CoderForLife> beware the dreaded Freezing Fog

17:23 <CoderForLife> &more

17:23 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.; Saturday - Areas of freezing fog in the morning. Mostly cloudy. Highs in the mid 30s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows 13 to 18. West winds around 5 mph.; Freezing Rain Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 12:00 AM EST on February 23, 2008;

17:23 <xcamel> 26 and all day snow here

17:24 <CoderForLife> the neighbor girl built a snow wall across the drive way today

17:24 <CoderForLife> you can guess how thrilled I was to drag the borrom of the car across it

17:24 <xcamel> lol

17:25 <CoderForLife> er bottom

17:25 <xcamel> depends on the car..

17:25 <CoderForLife> I'm giving them until 7pm to remove it themselves without prompting, else I go out with the snowthrower and make a scene

17:26 <CoderForLife> if it doesn't go, it may freeze solid tonight into a barrier

17:26 <PovAddict> pix plz

17:26 <CoderForLife> I appreciate the request, but my staff photographer is at work ATM

17:27 <PovAddict> or a video of the 'scene' you'll make? :P

17:27 <CoderForLife> the car I had in mind was mine

17:28 <CoderForLife> Stephen will be home about 9, and his car may be lower than mine

17:28 <CoderForLife> if I have to clean it off, I will be even less amused

17:29 * CoderForLife uses mental telepathy to plant suggestions in the minds of his neighbors

17:30 * CoderForLife notes that the only safe type of mental transaction is a deposit

17:34 <CoderForLife> &monologue

17:34 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Your current monologue is at least 6 lines long.

17:35 <CoderForLife> good counting there, Count Romulus

17:38 <PovAddict> well, my dad bought a new router

17:38 <PovAddict> hopefully will work better than my current crap

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17:40 <CoderForLife> good, Pov

17:40 <CoderForLife> hope it helps

17:45 <xcamel> damn sinuses..

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18:11 <Rookie_69> &weather yhz

18:11 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 23°F / -5°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.24in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy. Snow beginning early this evening. Amount 10 cm(3.9 in). Local blowing snow overnight. Wind becoming northeast 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) overnight. Low -6C(21F) with temperature rising to (1 more message)

18:12 <Rookie_69> &more

18:12 <Romulus> Rookie_69: -3C(26F) by morning.; Saturday - Snow ending early in the morning then a mix of sun and cloud. Wind northeast 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming north 20 km/h (12 mph) in the morning. High 0C(32F). Saturday night cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of flurries overnight. Low -9C(15F).; Sunday - Sunny. High 0C(32F).;

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18:12 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

18:12 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

18:13 <xcamel> snowing yet?

18:13 <Rookie_69> I just peeked outside. Yes, it is.

18:13 <Rookie_69> :-(

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18:15 <Rookie_69> I seem to be on Heinlein too... Am I still here?

18:15 <wdsmia> re-hi

18:15 <Rookie_69> *lo, Doug.

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18:15 <wdsmia> *lo Glenn

18:16 <CoderForLife> &ping

18:16 <Romulus> pong

18:17 <wdsmia> &ding

18:17 <Romulus> DONG!

18:17 <CoderForLife> um - helpful

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18:17 <CoderForLife> wb

18:17 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.

18:18 <xcamel> oopsie..

18:18 <Rookie_69> I thought Heinlein went down for a second...\

18:19 <wdsmia> wb Jay

18:19 <Romulus> I'm in the middle, hold on...

18:21 <Rookie_69> I never asked for snow. We just about got rid of it all.

18:22 <xcamel> we were down to a thick icy crust..

18:22 <Rookie_69> ... but it's been a year for potholes... not a continuous frost.

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18:25 <Rookie_69> Snow followed by rain followed by another sinus cold.

18:25 <wdsmia> sounds like Febuary

18:26 <wdsmia> er there was a r in there when i typed it

18:26 <Rookie_69> Phonetic spell-check...

18:28 <wdsmia> band aid makes typing a pain

18:28 <Rookie_69> Got a boo-boo?

18:28 <Rookie_69> Ruby bit back.

18:29 <wdsmia> steak knife bit back

18:29 <Rookie_69> Lol.

18:30 <Rookie_69> Knives tend to do that... at least to me.

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18:33 <Rookie_69> Spittoon on call 24/7... Colds suck.

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18:41 <efc> moo

18:41 <Rookie_69> Moo.

18:42 <PovAddict> moo efc

18:43 <wdsmia> *lo efc

18:46 <PovAddict> efc:

18:46 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

18:49 <efc> My reputation exceeds me

18:49 <PovAddict> lol

18:49 <xcamel> I resemble that remark..

18:50 <efc> that WU ought to finish this weekend, and that'll be the last from that machine until next winter.

18:51 <xcamel> runs too hot?

18:52 <efc> Its just a waste of watts unless I need them for heating

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18:52 <efc> Although I haven't really measured the power my various PCs pull from the outlet

18:53 <efc> I have the army of P3 600s that are all generally better

18:55 <CoderForLife> the snowfort, spped hump, speed bump, wall-of-white-death on the driveway is gone

18:55 <CoderForLife> er speed*

18:55 <xcamel> lol

18:55 <CoderForLife> neighbor's reason: better traction

18:56 <CoderForLife> my result: bang head on interior ceiling of car

18:56 <CoderForLife> near air bag deployment

18:57 <xcamel> rolling earthquake finally went by..

18:58 <CoderForLife> oh really?

18:58 <xcamel> snowplow..

18:58 <CoderForLife> ah =)

18:58 <wdsmia> lol

18:59 <CoderForLife> at least I'm not as close to New Madrid as some others

18:59 <efc> The news made it sound like it was 30 below in the US, somewhere yesterday

18:59 <CoderForLife> I see you've qualified your statement since this morning =)

19:00 <efc> Now its yesterday

19:00 <xcamel> I want my global warming..

19:00 <CoderForLife> temp yesterday, comment this morning

19:01 <wdsmia> nice and warm here today

19:01 <efc> i never heard where they said it was but it was an English speaker with no accent

19:01 <CoderForLife> UPS guy walked down the driveway while I was breaking up ice - he said, "Makes you long for those 100 degree days, huh?"

19:01 <xcamel> should be nice for the weekend - K&K get home around 2:am sunday

19:02 <CoderForLife> I said, "I wind up eating ice regardless"

19:02 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

19:02 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 22°F / -6°C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Areas of fog after midnight. Low 5 to 10 above. South wind near 5 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. Areas of fog in the morning. High in the lower 30s. Southeast wind near 5 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Not as cold. Low 15 to 20. (1 more message)

19:02 <wdsmia> &more

19:02 <Romulus> wdsmia: South wind around 5 mph.;

19:03 <xcamel> can't wait till she sees the "makeover"

19:03 * CoderForLife makes a running leap and a swan dive unto the couch

19:03 <CoderForLife> cya folks tomorrow

19:03 <PovAddict> hehe

19:03 <Rookie_69> Look out couch!

19:03 <Romulus> why would you two want to send him a couple hundred, and I don't go stressin' yurself out

19:07 <Rookie_69> My little brother and his wife/girlfriend/shackup/whatever had a rugrat a few weeks ago. He's over 40... What was he thinking?

19:08 <xcamel> That they can both be in diapers at the same time?

19:08 <xcamel> /sarc

19:08 * efc knows what he'd be thinkin

19:08 <Rookie_69> If his Jeep doesn't go on the auction block, it'll at least move to the back yard.

19:09 <Rookie_69> No more time for four-by-playing.

19:09 <Rookie_69> She's a career cop, so he's now a career mom, I guess.

19:10 <Rookie_69> ;-)

19:11 <Rookie_69> ... unless he dumped the cop for someone else... I don't follow that closely.

19:12 <xcamel> another family soap opera..

19:13 <Rookie_69> Lol.

19:13 <xcamel> my youngest sister - either going to jail, in jail, or getting out of jail. never changes.

19:15 * efc starts to ask for phone number but thinks the better of it

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19:16 <Rookie_69> Baa baa syndrome?

19:17 <xcamel> on her very best day...

19:18 <Rookie_69> I think me and my older brother are now tied for Black Sheep status.

19:20 <PovAddict> time to install new router bbl

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19:20 <Rookie_69> Although he atoned by taking thirteen steps ~15 years ago or so...

19:22 <xcamel> the 13th is a killer..

19:23 <xcamel> 12 was plenty

19:23 <Rookie_69> Jeez! My neices must be adults now.

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19:24 <Rookie_69> I'm out of touch.

19:26 <Rookie_69> '94? since I last saw them.

19:26 <KathrynM> mornin

19:27 <Rookie_69> Hi, K in K.

19:27 <wdsmia> *lo Kathryn

19:27 <xcamel> 'lo K

19:27 <KathrynM> you guys get the snow, we're getting wind

19:27 <KathrynM> but at least I don't have to shovel it

19:28 <Rookie_69> You can shovel snow???

19:28 <Rookie_69> I just drive through it.

19:28 <KathrynM> when there's not a snow blower around

19:28 <KathrynM> lol

19:29 <Rookie_69> If I even think about picking up a shovel, my back goes out.

19:31 <Rookie_69> Actually, I did pick it up once this year and survived. Then the rain took all the snow away. Wasted effort.

19:32 <KathrynM> That's the nice thing about the rain.  Until the temp drops again and you have a skating rink for a driveway.

19:32 <KathrynM> But look on the bright side.  July is just 4 short months away :p

19:32 <Rookie_69> Aargh!!!

19:33 <Romulus> fank thuck it's multithreaded... it's *slow*

19:33 <Rookie_69> Paved driveway is looking like a gravel pit floating on a bog.

19:35 <Rookie_69> There's one pothole hereabouts... I think it's about 500 miles side to side.

19:35 <KathrynM> Yikes.  I remember those.

19:35 <KathrynM> It was easier to drive in the potholes than it was to avoid them.

19:38 <Rookie_69> Still cheaper to avoid them though.

19:38 <KathrynM> aye.  I destroyed my exhaust system one winter

19:39 <Rookie_69> Rims, tires, ball joints, springs, Yup. Exhaust too.

19:39 <KathrynM> It's a dangerous thing... cleveland in the Winter.

19:39 <KathrynM> I had to get my brother to come in his huge arse pickup truck and take me to work one day because I couldn't get my little tiny escort out of the driveway

19:40 <Rookie_69> Cleveland Rocks!

19:40 <KathrynM> That it does.

19:40 <Rookie_69> According to Drew Carey.

19:40 <Rookie_69> ;-)

19:43 <Rookie_69> Lots of ground clearance is a bonus when slogging through snow.

19:44 <Rookie_69> ... and when driving a vehicle too.

19:45 <KathrynM> that too

19:45 <KathrynM> Let's see how fast (or slow) the Fedora mirrors are this morning.

19:46 <KathrynM> oye  80 MB.  Let's hope it's fast.

19:47 <Rookie_69> Usually better here in about 8 or 12 hours.

19:47 <Rookie_69> ... or used to be.

19:47 <KathrynM> they're right speedy this morning

19:47 <KathrynM> One evening it took me like 2.5 hours to download the Firefox update.

19:47 <KathrynM> I wanted to kill something.

19:48 <KathrynM> lol

19:48 <KathrynM> speaking of the devil, is downloading right now

19:48 <Rookie_69> ... something other than the update.

19:48 <xcamel> stop eying the GP.. it didn't do it..

19:51 <KathrynM> might not have done it, but it was thinking about it

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20:00 <xcamel> off to veg on some scifi..

20:00 <KathrynM> sounds good.  laterz

20:00 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

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20:02 <Rookie_69> Sci-Fi Friday usually involves me playing some old tape from my collection.

20:02 <Tank_Master> lol

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20:06 <Rookie_69> Star Trek seems to be the most common title.

20:07 <Tank_Master> :)

20:07 <Tank_Master> nuttin wrong with that

20:08 <Rookie_69> Nope.

20:08 <Rookie_69> Got quite a few B&W ones too...

20:09 <Rookie_69> '50's and '60's stuff.

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20:09 <PovAddict> well, that wasn't exactly straightforward

20:09 <PovAddict> but at least I'm online

20:10 <KathrynM> wb PovAddict

20:10 * Rookie_69 thinks that Pov was online before.

20:16 * Rookie_69 wanders off to bed.

20:16 <Romulus> why not, slackware.. or something in australia :D

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20:41 <Tank_Master>

20:42 <wdsmia> lol

20:44 <Tank_Master>

20:44 <Romulus> <> (at

20:46 <mweltin> hey everybody.

20:47 <mweltin> Tank_Master, crunch3r hooked me up with some good advice.

20:47 <wdsmia> *lo mweltin

20:47 <mweltin> I feel like I'll make some progress with stl port.

20:47 <Tank_Master> oh?

20:47 <Romulus> I guess oh is it like SocialBorg, Tank_Master

20:47 <mweltin> hey wdsmia

20:48 <Tank_Master> I whish rommie would stop that

20:48 <mweltin> can never tell if you are really here wdsmia

20:48 <mweltin> but its nice to see you.

20:48 <Tank_Master> what did crunchy hook you up with?

20:48 <mweltin> and some guy ran my instance of the tsp through condor

20:48 * wdsmia is always here

20:50 <mweltin> always where ot keep peole in line.

20:50 <mweltin> I noticed you get an alert if you have the word f-a-r-t in it.

20:50 <Tank_Master> farther

20:50 <wdsmia> asks Tank_Master to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

20:51 <Tank_Master> anywho, dinner is ready - Ill bbl

20:51 <mweltin> taht is the most I hear from him.

20:51 <mweltin> later

20:52 <wdsmia> one little bug in a script and the peole never let you live it down :p

20:53 <mweltin> try slipping up on granting credits

20:53 <wdsmia> rofl

20:54 <wdsmia> glad i missed that one

20:54 <mweltin> credits are a pain.  Have you heard anymore about boinc funding?

20:55 <mweltin> DA sent out a request for volunteer computing success stories

20:55 <PovAddict> NETWORKING is a pain

20:56 <wdsmia> DA is a pain

20:56 <PovAddict> that too

20:56 <mweltin> one person felt that it was not worth funding boinc as it hasn't turned out any real scientific results.

20:56 <mweltin> DA is a pain?!?

20:57 <wdsmia> more of a roid that never goes away

20:57 <mweltin> ouch

20:59 <wdsmia> RW is the pimple that sits on top

21:01 <mweltin> do work for him?

21:01 <wdsmia> thats just to see if rom is reading the logs :)

21:01 <mweltin> what makes you say that.

21:04 <wdsmia> No I dont work for them (they dont pay enought)

21:05 <Soul_keeper>

21:05 <Romulus> <> (at

21:05 <wdsmia> nice

21:07 <wdsmia> give me a stick and rudder and I can still get from A to B without all the fancy gizmos

21:13 <wdsmia> ok I admit it I dont fly without my GPS nowdays

21:17 <wdsmia> which reminds me need to get my medical before i can get current again

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21:32 <Soul_keeper> you own a plane ?

21:35 <mweltin> gott run

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21:42 <PovAddict> I have already had to hard-reset the router due to lockup

21:42 <PovAddict> awesome...

21:45 <wdsmia> Soul_keeper not right now its a time/money thing when you have one you dont have the other

21:45 <Soul_keeper> figures

21:46 <Soul_keeper> our society leaves the planes for rappers

21:46 <wdsmia> I should be getting my dads 172 soon at 80 he's having a hard time flying

21:46 <Romulus> yeah, west side, to the web.

21:48 * KathrynM is back (gone 01:21:15)

21:48 <wdsmia> wb

21:48 <KathrynM> thx

21:48 <KathrynM> went grocery shopping

21:50 <PovAddict> I was playing network admin

21:50 <KathrynM> sounds like fun

21:50 <KathrynM> NOT

21:50 <PovAddict> brand new d-link router

21:50 <wdsmia> restocking the kimchi pot?

21:50 <PovAddict> want a detailed list of problems so far? :P

21:50 <KathrynM> pretty much

21:50 <KathrynM> :D

21:50 <PovAddict> ok so wi-fi is "working"

21:50 <KathrynM> At least you can administer yours.

21:51 <PovAddict> next step: security

21:51 <KathrynM> "working"?

21:51 <PovAddict> (I disabled security to make one less potential problem during the first test)

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22:51 <eidolon> hi folks, can i have a short pointer to starting hte boinc client ona remote headless linux box?  i know i can use boinc_cmd to talk to it ermeotely, or use the remote gui, but i can't seem to just start it in server mode :-/

22:51 <PovAddict> version?

22:51 <eidolon> 5.4.11

22:52 <PovAddict> ...did you get that from your distro packages?

22:52 <eidolon> yep.

22:52 <PovAddict> because it's like a year old

22:52 <eidolon> the joys of debian?

22:53 <PovAddict> indeed

22:53 <eidolon> looks like 'boinc -daemon' worked.

22:53 <PovAddict> october 2006 it seems

22:53 <PovAddict> you need some configuration to use the gui remotely

22:53 <PovAddict> &bw RpcAuth

22:53 <Romulus>

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23:02 <eidolon> cgot it.

23:02 * eidolon is connected.

23:04 <PovAddict> what projects do you run?

23:04 <eidolon> seti, predictor, rosetta

23:04 <PovAddict> heh so you aren't part of ATA :)

23:05 <eidolon> dunno what that is, sorry.

23:05 <PovAddict> Alpha Testers Anonymous (or alpha testing addicts?), joining to every new project that shows up

23:05 <eidolon> heh

23:05 <eidolon>

23:05 <Romulus> <> (at

23:05 <eidolon> that's me / us.

23:05 <PovAddict> somebody tells me of a new project

23:05 <PovAddict> I check the forum

23:05 <PovAddict> and *all* the "regulars" are already there

23:05 <eidolon> we had a slump ove rthe last few months.  i'm sort of restarting it.

23:06 <eidolon> oh nuts.  i picked the wrong project site.

23:06 <eidolon> there we go.

23:06 <PovAddict> who are you on that team?

23:07 <eidolon> dave

23:07 <PovAddict> 343,553 credits? nice

23:07 <eidolon> er, belfer-shevett :)

23:07 <eidolon> ty :)

23:07 <eidolon> slumped off lately :(

23:07 * PovAddict likes the new feature on boincstats: credit target

23:07 <eidolon> have a nice idle xeon machine or two, putting them to work.

23:07 <PovAddict> you'll reach 350,000 in 31.88 days on March 25 2008

23:08 <eidolon> i've been in the whole thing since the very first days.

23:08 <eidolon> (off and on :)

23:08 <PovAddict> but since you're just speeding up now, it will probably take less than that :)

23:08 <eidolon> *nod* i should double my cycles in the next day or three.

23:08 <PovAddict>

23:08 <Romulus> <> (at

23:08 <PovAddict> ^ me

23:09 <eidolon> boincstats has all sorts of problems rendering on konqueror.  annoying.

23:09 <eidolon> huh!  i have more than yu :)

23:09 <PovAddict> yep :)

23:09 * PovAddict makes a comparison graph

23:10 <eidolon> dont suppose there's a pretty multi-machine monitor for linux, is there?

23:10 <PovAddict>

23:10 <Romulus> <> (at

23:10 <PovAddict> looks like you pwn me yep

23:10 <eidolon> and it's off.

23:10 <eidolon> 2008-02-22 18:45:22 [SETI@home] Starting task 11dc06af.23848.13160.8.7.135_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 527

23:11 <eidolon> yeah, but look at that awful upswing.

23:11 <eidolon> last 2 months have been awful :(

23:11 <PovAddict> not enough for me to catch up to you though :)

23:11 <eidolon> Highest World position ever662 at 2007-03-26

23:11 * eidolon sighs.

23:11 * PovAddict looks at wdsmia

23:11 <eidolon> "Some day!"

23:11 <PovAddict>

23:12 <Romulus> <> (at

23:12 <PovAddict> we're mere ants in that graph

23:12 <eidolon> woof.

23:13 <eidolon> position 235.  awesome.

23:13 <eidolon> i wasn't -that- far behind :)

23:13 * PovAddict notes zombie_67 isn't on the channel

23:13 <PovAddict> searching

23:13 <PovAddict> there, pwns us all:

23:14 <Romulus> <> (at

23:14 <PovAddict> eleven million

23:14 <wdsmia>

23:14 <Romulus> <> (at

23:14 <eidolon> i had a couple of my biggest chewers drop off :(

23:15 <eidolon> hmm.  roomie smachine isn't running it.

23:15 * eidolon fires it up

23:15 <eidolon> the remote config stuff is nice.

23:17 <PovAddict> wdsmia: how old is this pic?

23:18 <wdsmia> over a year

23:18 <KathrynM> oh that's just sick

23:18 * KathrynM wants

23:18 <PovAddict> lol

23:19 <eidolon> heh

23:19 <eidolon> that's at home?

23:19 <eidolon> all running boinc?

23:19 <wdsmia> quads filling the open holes now :)

23:19 <eidolon>

23:19 <Romulus> <> (at

23:19 <eidolon> that's my desk :)

23:19 <eidolon> most of my machines aren't at my desk.

23:19 <eidolon> cept my workstations.

23:19 <PovAddict> my desk is a total mess currently

23:20 <PovAddict> biggest mess is there's a router box, with most of its contents spread all over the desk

23:20 <eidolon> what do you folks use to monitor multiple machines, other than boincstats?

23:21 <PovAddict> I just connect remotely (with boincmgr) to my only other machine when I need to

23:21 <eidolon> *nod* but boincmgr canonly look at one machine at at ime, yes?

23:21 <PovAddict> I don't have a dozen machines to monitor

23:21 <PovAddict> unfortunately

23:21 * eidolon nods

23:21 <eidolon> (hrm.  boinc -daemon auto-nices, right?)

23:22 <PovAddict> even without daemon

23:22 <eidolon> k

23:22 <PovAddict> boinc always runs apps with high nice level

23:22 <eidolon> means my roomie won't notice. *nod*

23:22 <PovAddict> I run it on my sister's comp upstairs

23:22 <eidolon> :)

23:22 <KathrynM> heh

23:22 <KathrynM> I've got 2 at work.

23:23 <PovAddict> KathrynM!

23:23 <KathrynM> But they only run during work hours

23:23 <KathrynM> PovAddict!

23:23 <PovAddict> you're not allowed to say that four-letter word here

23:23 <eidolon> sudo aptitude install boince-app-seti

23:23 <eidolon> er, not here.

23:23 * KathrynM hangs head in shame

23:23 <KathrynM> I've gotta go to that w place in a few minutes too

23:23 <PovAddict> FreeLarry always keeps a soap around for people who spell out that word

23:23 <KathrynM> Preschool graduation

23:24 <KathrynM> eidolon, There's kboincmgr for KDE, but it's pretty old and not very pretty on my Fedora box.

23:24 <KathrynM> But it works.

23:24 <KathrynM> does multiple computers too

23:24 <eidolon> hrm, i had problems with kboincmgr way back when

23:24 <eidolon> lemme get htis other machine started, i'll try it

23:24 <PovAddict> I don't think it has changed much

23:25 <PovAddict> particularly if you have debian

23:25 <PovAddict> The Outdated Distro (tm)

23:25 <KathrynM> lol

23:25 <KathrynM> yummed up my box this morning

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23:25 <PovAddict> debian stable is really old

23:25 <KathrynM> Now I remember why there was so many updates.  Some sort of dependency didn't want to install last week.

23:25 * eidolon is running ubunty feisty on 'yawl', my desktop machine

23:26 <KathrynM> I saw the code name for 8.10

23:26 <KathrynM> something Ibex

23:26 <KathrynM> Intrepid Ibex maybe?

23:26 <PovAddict> o rly

23:26 <PovAddict> they're thinking 8.10 already?

23:26 <KathrynM> it's in the irc logs from a few days ago

23:26 <PovAddict> google says it's indeed Intrepid Ibex

23:27 <KathrynM> Just doesn't have the same ring as Feisty Fawn

23:27 <KathrynM> It's almost March too PovAddict

23:27 <KathrynM> August not that far off

23:28 <PovAddict> ""Intrepid Ibex" doesn't even stick to the standard naming scheme. If they were going to change it, they should have done so with the LTS. Anyone else think it should be called "Icy Ibex" or something like that? I mean seriously, what sounds better: "Ubuntu Icy" or "Ubuntu Intrepid"?"

23:28 * eidolon backs slowly away from PovAddict

23:28 <KathrynM> lol

23:28 <PovAddict> I'm just quoting...

23:28 <KathrynM> I'll stick with Fedora 7 (Moonshine, fwiw)

23:28 <eidolon> ew :)

23:29 <eidolon> (DEBIAN VS RH!  FIGHT!)

23:29 <KathrynM> LOL

23:29 <PovAddict> hmm

23:29 <KathrynM> So Emacs or Vi eidolon?

23:29 <PovAddict> I think that's not much of a flamewar

23:29 <eidolon> EMACS VS VI!  FIGHT!

23:29 <PovAddict> it should be >:)

23:29 <PovAddict> VI!

23:29 <eidolon> VI WINS!

23:29 <KathrynM> lol

23:29 <KathrynM> Emacs FTW!

23:29 <Romulus> LHC work is being compiled in...

23:30 <KathrynM> wonder which rommie likes better

23:30 <eidolon> ##java has a '~war' macro.  it'll spew out stuff like that.  ~war  <javabot> emacs sucks!

23:30 <KathrynM> (vi is evil evil evil)

23:30 <PovAddict> eidolon: there may be good IDEs around, but I stick to using bash+gvim+gcc

23:30 * KathrynM goes to w*@&

23:30 <eidolon> PovAddict: i'm actually a java geek.  alas, emacs / gvim / etc don't cut it as an ide for them

23:30 <PovAddict> and guess what, I'm on *Windows*

23:30 <KathrynM> laters all

23:30 <KathrynM> It's been fun.

23:30 <eidolon> i do eclipse :)

23:30 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

23:30 <PovAddict> bye KathrynM

23:31 <PovAddict> eidolon: ah yes, I use Eclipse for Java

23:31 <PovAddict> vim for everything else :)

23:31 * eidolon nods.

23:32 <PovAddict> hmm 2:30 am

23:32 * KathrynM gets maternal and yells at PovAddict to go to bed

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23:32 <PovAddict> noes!

23:32 <eidolon> dude.  channel has it's own mom!

23:32 <PovAddict> oh speaking of large boincfarms

23:32 <PovAddict> hey zombie67

23:33 <eidolon> heh

23:33 <zombie67> hi povaddict

23:33 <PovAddict> do you have any picture of your computers?

23:33 <zombie67> another 15 min until the final tasks complete

23:33 <zombie67> lemme look

23:33 <eidolon> well, if all goes well, that'll be... 6 machine here with cpu > 2ghz running boinc now.

23:33 <eidolon> (one is a dual core.  so i counted that twice :)

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23:34 <eidolon> KathrynM: did you mean kboincspy?

23:35 <PovAddict> there is a kboincmgr too I think

23:35 <PovAddict> which is a modified boincmgr

23:35 <eidolon> didn't see it in apt-cache

23:35 <PovAddict> kboincspy is a made-from-scratch manager though

23:36 <PovAddict>

23:36 <Romulus> <> (at

23:36 * eidolon nods

23:36 <eidolon> not in the packages :(

23:36 <zombie67> sorry, no.  no pictures.  why?

23:36 <PovAddict> well I found in my log a few old pictures wdsmia had posted

23:37 <PovAddict>

23:37 <zombie67> cool!  I have a rack like that

23:37 <zombie67> it has about half my comps on it

23:37 <eidolon> so.  is that rack dedicated to boinc processing?

23:37 <eidolon> seems... a bit overkill?  :)

23:38 <zombie67> well yeah, you could fit them all on one rack.

23:38 <zombie67> guess they are spaced out just because he can

23:38 <PovAddict> zombie67: rule 24 of the internet: pictures or it didn't happen / doesn't exist

23:38 <zombie67> does my RAC not exist?

23:39 <eidolon> nono, i mean.  there's a dozen machines there.  has someone installed breadracks, bought a dozen machines, fired them up, and have them all running boinc in their basement?  dedicated?

23:39 * zombie67 raises his hand

23:39 <eidolon> i have to ask directly.  why?  :)

23:39 <Romulus> SZTAKI's problem is that it can but its nay faster than an 8800GT.

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23:40 <zombie67> to crunch

23:40 <PovAddict> eidolon: really useful for winter

23:40 <PovAddict> burning stuff heats the room

23:40 <eidolon> my big issue would be power use :(

23:40 <zombie67> that is my big isse too

23:40 <zombie67> issue

23:40 <PovAddict> running BOINC heats the room *and* does useful science *and* gives you credits

23:40 <eidolon> heh.  one of the things i do on the side is green building design and energy efficiency stuff.

23:40 <eidolon> not the most efficient way to heat aroom :)

23:41 <eidolon> (my entire desk, btw, is pulling 315 watts right now.  that's with 2 reasonably powerful machines chewing away.  *proud*

23:41 <PovAddict> all us addicts care about is credits per watt

23:41 <PovAddict> XD

23:41 <zombie67> Ah!  Think of it this way, you are getting more crunching done than with just a space heater!

23:41 <eidolon> the machine in the basement, however, i'm sure is pulling 200+ watts.

23:42 <zombie67> I shut down all my single core machines and gave them to tank_master

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23:42 <zombie67> I am now buying only 8-core (or more) machines due to power consumption

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23:43 <zombie67> to make an omelet, requires breaking eggs

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23:44 <zombie67> only one last task now

23:45 <PovAdct_ipod> I cant believe I'm actually IRCing from bed :)

23:46 <zombie67> on your ipod?

23:47 <PovAdct_ipod> iPod touch, and a router with working wifi

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23:48 <eidolon> geek.

23:49 <eidolon> didn't need to know the bed part. :)

23:49 <PovAdct_ipod> lol

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23:50 <zombie67> what application?

23:50 <Romulus> I guess what application is used to crunch the WUs, zombie67

23:50 *** tamar is now known as BiteAbleKat

23:50 <zombie67> here goes with MTs BOINC

23:51 <PovAdct_ipod> What do you mean?

23:51 <PovAdct_ipod> I'm using from safari

23:52 <PovAdct_ipod> It's not an IRC client for iPod

23:52 <zombie67> ah!

23:53 <zombie67> it is a java app or something?

23:53 <zombie67> what is "s"?

23:53 <zombie67> -r-sr-sr-x

23:53 <zombie67> ?

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23:54 <zombie67> I understand -r-xr-xr-x

23:57 <zombie67> povaddict?

23:57 <Romulus> Rumor has it povaddict is in Windows, (ab)using unix tools like hell, zombie67

23:59 <nickuwo> can anyone help me with the BOINC wrapper/worker example?

23:59 <zombie67> over my head

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