IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-02-25

00:09 <zombie67> nice

00:10 <zombie67> they may end in a few months.  I am trying to decide if I want to hit another milestone, just incase they do

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01:21 <zombie67> &seen mtughan

01:21 <Romulus> zombie67: mtughan was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 12 hours, 9 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <MTughan> Gotta go... Be back around 11:30-12:00PM.

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01:23 <Tank_Master> good thing he didnt say what day

01:24 <Wabbit67> we will never find his body

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01:25 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo

01:26 <Tank_Master> is it already time for me to head to bed?

01:26 <Wabbit67> yes it is

01:26 <Tank_Master> heh

01:26 * Wabbit67 gets the bed ready

01:26 <Wabbit67> its actually full of snakes

01:27 <zombie67> hi yoyo

01:27 <zombie67> op!  brb

01:28 <Tank_Master> &cad

01:28 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

01:28 <cactaur> I love CAD!

01:30 <Tank_Master> hehe

01:30 <Tank_Master> yeah, its great

01:30 <Tank_Master> I like GIRL GENIUS

01:30 <Tank_Master> to

01:30 <Tank_Master> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080225

01:31 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1aY7> (at www.girlgeniusonline.com)

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01:34 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

01:34 <zombie67> back

01:34 <Tank_Master> wb

01:34 <zombie67> ANYTHING that foglio does, I buy

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01:35 <Tank_Master> ?

01:35 <zombie67> buck godot is hilarious

01:35 <zombie67> girl genious = foglio

01:36 <zombie67> he used to do comic strip bits for Dragon magazine back in the day

01:36 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:37 <zombie67> then he has a stint at humorous porn comics XXXenophile.  GREAT stuff!

01:37 <Tank_Master> yes, I find myself likeing it

01:38 <zombie67> http://studiofoglio.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=SF&Category_Code=The_Xenophile_Collection

01:38 <Romulus> Title: Studio Foglio: The Xenophile Collection (at studiofoglio.com)

01:38 <zombie67> he does great facial expression

01:38 <zombie67> great humor too

01:39 <Tank_Master> is it online?

01:39 <zombie67> xenopile?  doubt it.

01:39 <Tank_Master> bummer

01:39 <zombie67> be sure to buy Buck Godot.

01:39 <zombie67> either from their web site, or amazon

01:39 <zombie67> you will not be disapointed

01:41 <zombie67> humor/sci-fi

01:44 <Tank_Master> willy finally took off siclink from the "sign up for proj" page

01:44 <zombie67> heh

01:44 <zombie67> should move it to retired too

01:45 <Tank_Master> I have 15 projects attached to this comp - only 3 are getting work ;)

01:46 <zombie67> ?  really?

01:47 <Wabbit> wow

01:47 <Wabbit> my 10 projects are getting work

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01:48 <Tank_Master> ABC - APS - AIS - Bratz - chess - seasonal - depspid - docking - greasom - Imp - LHC - Pirates - scilink - TSP - WCG

01:48 <Tank_Master> ABC, TSP and WCG are the only 3 getting work

01:48 <Wabbit98> anyone have an invitation code to Imp?

01:49 <Tank_Master> I did

01:49 <Tank_Master> but it dont work no more

01:49 <Tank_Master> ask pov

01:49 <Tank_Master> its his

01:49 <zombie67> 64 bit?

01:49 <Tank_Master> but work is rare

01:50 <Tank_Master> ?

01:50 <zombie67> is your machine 64 bit?

01:50 <Tank_Master> corse

01:50 <Tank_Master> and yes, I know theres a workaround for chess

01:50 <zombie67> then chess will never give work, even when there is some

01:50 <Tank_Master> Im just lazy

01:50 <zombie67> seasonal is dead

01:50 <zombie67> scilink is dead

01:51 <Tank_Master> I just finished a WU a few days ago

01:51 <Tank_Master> got a few more on my last one

01:51 <zombie67> no new work from seasonal

01:51 <zombie67> gerosim has work only occasionally

01:51 <Tank_Master> gresom I sware stoped handing out work the day I attached

01:52 <zombie67> I am willing to bet it is another 64 bit issue

01:52 <Wabbit98> I blame TM

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01:52 <zombie67> recall they are trying to rewrite the boinc server code in win

01:52 <Tank_Master> I blams global diming

01:53 <Tank_Master> thats a worthy project

01:53 <Tank_Master> no reason it must be down in unix just because unix is free

01:53 <zombie67> TM, the work around is as simple as d/l the zip file from my page, ad copying it to your project folder

01:53 <Tank_Master> done*

01:53 <Tank_Master> do you realize just how lazy I can be?

01:53 <zombie67> it's done in linux, not unix

01:54 <Tank_Master> same diff

01:54 <zombie67> not even close

01:54 <zombie67> ;)

01:54 <Tank_Master> close, it is

01:54 <zombie67> true

01:57 <efc> No oscars for Grindhouse, i'm heardbroken

01:57 <Tank_Master> lol

01:58 <efc> i saw it twice :p

01:58 <zombie67> Fry: Bender, this world just isn't good enough for you.

01:58 <zombie67> Bender: Not even close.

01:59 <Wabbit98> Futurama won no Oscars either

01:59 <Tank_Master> good

02:00 <efc> the Academy must have lost my nomination for Best Cheerleader Getting Out Of A 1970 Mach 1

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02:13 <Tank_Master> anywho - gn

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02:19 <zombie67> gn

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03:30 <mweltin> hello?

03:31 <mweltin> &weather 96799

03:31 <efc> moo

03:31 <Romulus> mweltin: Temperature: 79F / 26.1C | Humidity: -999% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Occasional showers with isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 80s. Variable winds 10 mph...with higher gusts in showers.; Tonight and Thursday - Scattered showers with isolated thunderstorms. Lows near 80. High near 90. (1 more message)

03:31 <mweltin> hey efc

03:31 <mweltin> how goes it?

03:32 <mweltin> I'm giving STLport one more shot and them I'm giving up on it officially.

03:32 <efc> Ok.. gotta get to bed

03:32 <efc> whats that?

03:32 <mweltin> some guy ran my instance of the tsp through concord

03:32 <mweltin> came up with a good solution

03:32 <mweltin> may be optimal.

03:32 <mweltin> STL = Standard template library.

03:33 <efc> oh yeah

03:33 <mweltin> yeah

03:33 <mweltin> I haven't had tiem to check it out

03:33 <mweltin> but it got me jazzed to do more algorithm work.

03:34 <mweltin> I have felt like I need to improve my apps more but I'm just running into trouble.

03:34 <efc> Sorry, gotta get to bed. Good luck with it.

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03:38 <Tidus> hi all

03:38 <mweltin> hey

03:39 <Tidus> so what all has you been up to today?

03:40 <mweltin> not much, a little diving and writting some code

03:40 <mweltin> you?

03:40 <Romulus> I guess you are upper fayl, mweltin

03:40 <Tidus> i'm just doin a little eating and some chatting

03:42 <mweltin> you use STLport ever Tidus?

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03:46 <CoderForLife> morning

03:46 <mweltin> hey cfl

03:47 <CoderForLife> hello mweltin

03:50 <CoderForLife> wow pic of LHC on APOD http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

03:50 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

03:51 <mweltin> hmmmm thats why I have no electricity here.

03:52 <CoderForLife> they mention LHC@Home in the caption

03:53 <Tidus> mweltin, no i never used it

03:53 <Tidus> sorry, was in a different chan

03:54 <mweltin> thanks Tidus

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03:57 <mweltin> clusty!

03:57 <clusty> hey

03:58 <clusty> missed you amigo

03:58 <clusty> :D

03:58 <clusty> dud

03:58 <mweltin> long time

03:58 <clusty> i did not know I was talking to an important fella

03:58 <clusty> the big daddy master chief from TSP

03:58 * clusty bows

03:58 <clusty> :D

03:58 <mweltin> LOL

03:58 <mweltin> hahahahahahahaah

03:58 <clusty> thought you were a more advanced punk

03:58 <mweltin> big master that can't even build a simple stlport app

03:58 <clusty> :D

03:59 <clusty> happens to the best of us

03:59 <mweltin> I'm just some guy you know

03:59 <clusty> i actually figured out your problem with STLPORT

03:59 <clusty> :D

04:00 <clusty> some colleague from work had same issue

04:00 <clusty> :D

04:00 <clusty> some libs were built with stlport

04:00 <mweltin> really cause I can't get boinc libs to build right with it.

04:00 <clusty> and some others with some other stl

04:00 <mweltin> std ?

04:00 <clusty> that

04:01 <clusty> i will give it a shot today

04:01 <mweltin> I have officially given up (as per the news on tsp) but I'm giving it more try right now.

04:01 <mweltin> crunch3r has done it

04:01 <mweltin> so I know it's possible

04:01 <clusty> btw

04:02 <clusty> over weekend my boinc generated 250GB of logfiles

04:02 <clusty> :D

04:02 <mweltin> yeah that can happen, although 250GB seems way too big.

04:02 <yoyo[RKN]> clusty : I have a boinc server?

04:02 <mweltin> how on earth did you manage that.

04:02 <clusty> well i forgot one client turned on

04:03 <clusty> yoyo[RKN], you mean me?

04:03 <yoyo[RKN]> yes sorry

04:03 <clusty> i started a work gen

04:03 <clusty> and forgot a client on

04:03 <clusty> :D

04:03 <clusty> yoyo[RKN], yeah

04:03 <clusty> starting

04:03 <yoyo[RKN]> aha

04:03 <clusty> its prebeta though

04:03 <mweltin> but still 250GB

04:03 <yoyo[RKN]> what does it calculate

04:03 <clusty> well uppercase that lasts 5 seconds

04:03 <clusty> :D

04:04 <mweltin> AHAHAHAAHA

04:04 <clusty> yoyo[RKN], neural nets

04:04 <clusty> for now

04:04 <yoyo[RKN]> for uppercase is a commandline switch to let it run longer

04:04 <clusty> actually not uppercase

04:04 <clusty> but wrapper

04:04 <yoyo[RKN]> like me ;)

04:04 <CoderForLife> breakfast time  bbiab

04:05 <clusty> i am not the nnet guy

04:05 <clusty> i am just boincifying

04:05 <mweltin> I have to look into that wrapper someday.

04:05 <clusty> all possible apps

04:05 <clusty> mweltin, its genious

04:05 <clusty> same app

04:05 <yoyo[RKN]> my wrapper project http://www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/

04:05 <Romulus> Title: yoyo@home (at www.rechenkraft.net)

04:06 <clusty> with a minor twist to some xml it read can make almost any app boinc compliant

04:07 <mweltin> thats nice, I just got some free ACO stuff online, the wrapper would be an easy way to get it up and running fast

04:07 <clusty> indeed

04:07 <clusty> yoyo what are you crunching?

04:08 <yoyo[RKN]> a math project, ogr-25

04:08 <clusty> what does it do?

04:08 <yoyo[RKN]> and an evolution@home project which simulates evolutions

04:08 * KathrynM is back (gone 08:57:55)

04:08 <KathrynM> evenin all

04:08 <clusty> rabbit/wolf simulation? :D

04:09 <mweltin> KathrynM!

04:09 <clusty> ahow kath

04:09 <clusty> ahoy*

04:09 <yoyo[RKN]> clusty : it searches for an optimal golumb ruler of length 25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golomb_ruler

04:09 <Romulus> Title: Golomb ruler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

04:09 <KathrynM> hi mweltin and clusty

04:09 <yoyo[RKN]> morning KathrynM

04:09 <KathrynM> hi yoyo[RKN]

04:09 <clusty> yoyo[RKN], read about it. did not understand much :D

04:09 <clusty> should give it more than 20sec i guess

04:10 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

04:10 <mweltin> that poor shark in the upper right

04:10 <mweltin> sharks get a bad wrap.

04:10 <clusty> mweltin, were you the fella not liking sharks?

04:11 <mweltin> I saw a reef shark just the other day

04:11 <clusty> sharks are cool

04:11 <clusty> ...behind a thick glass window

04:11 <mweltin> I said they freak me out, but not that I didn't like them.

04:11 <CoderForLife> back

04:12 <clusty> are sharks aggro?

04:12 <clusty> in your region

04:12 <mweltin> no, just curious

04:12 <clusty> then they are nice guys

04:13 <mweltin> hammer heads will "taste" almost anything.

04:13 <clusty> as long as they dont give you a big smile :D

04:13 <mweltin> and reef sharks don't attache humans

04:13 <clusty> i used to have gold fish. trained them to scratch their bellies

04:13 <clusty> :D

04:13 <clusty> when I fed them

04:13 <mweltin> the one I saw the other day was 2 maybe 3 feet long

04:14 <clusty> can you get that close to them?

04:14 <mweltin> that one was close enough to touch

04:15 <mweltin> but they wont let you touch them.

04:15 <clusty> well I'll go to marseille soon enough

04:15 <clusty> prolly not as cool as samoa, but close ebnough to dive

04:15 <clusty> have a diving maniac buddy

04:16 <mweltin> samoa is not all sunshine and rainbows, but its not bad

04:16 <clusty> i imagine it being something like cancun :D

04:16 <clusty> emerald watters and white sand beaches

04:16 <mweltin> coral here is great

04:16 <mweltin> parts are that way, but it has its ugly side too.

04:17 <clusty> my paps always said I have weird dreams

04:17 <clusty> i always dreamt to work for national geographic

04:17 <clusty> to take pix of underwater animals

04:17 <mweltin> not weird at all.

04:17 <clusty> swim with the fishes for a living

04:18 <clusty> ...and for a question:

04:18 <mweltin> life on a boat can't be much fun, but the diving would be great.

04:19 <clusty> this line gives me an erorr:

04:19 <clusty> self.xml     = xml.dom.minidom.parse(self.filename)

04:19 <mweltin> where is it from?

04:20 <clusty> boinc_proj/bin/boincxml.py

04:20 <clusty> i updated some stuff

04:20 <mweltin> is this some dom stuff in java or....

04:20 <mweltin> python

04:20 <clusty> and now the start script chokes

04:20 <clusty> python

04:20 <clusty> ..which I suck at

04:20 <clusty> some package missing?

04:21 <mweltin> I dont think so, what is the error you get?

04:21 <clusty> Traceback (most recent call last):

04:21 <clusty>   File "bin/start", line 703, in <module>

04:21 <clusty>     run_state = configxml.RunStateFile(run_state_filename).read(failopen_ok = True)

04:21 <clusty>   File "/home/boincadm/boinc_proj/bin/boincxml.py", line 124, in read

04:21 <clusty>     self.xml     = xml.dom.minidom.parse(self.filename)

04:21 <clusty>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/_xmlplus/dom/minidom.py", line 1915, in parse

04:21 <clusty>     return expatbuilder.parse(file)

04:21 <clusty>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/_xmlplus/dom/expatbuilder.py", line 926, in parse

04:21 <clusty>     result = builder.parseFile(fp)

04:21 <clusty>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/_xmlplus/dom/expatbuilder.py", line 211, in parseFile

04:21 <clusty>     parser.Parse("", True)

04:21 <clusty> xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: no element found: line 1, column 0

04:21 <clusty> in bin/start

04:22 <clusty> some xml parser thing

04:22 <mweltin> expat is some xml parser thing that is for sure.

04:22 <mweltin> when did you do the update?

04:23 <clusty> a while ago

04:23 <clusty> but never did stop boinc in 2 weeks

04:23 <clusty> :D

04:23 <clusty> now i cant restart it

04:23 <mweltin> where are you running it from?

04:23 <clusty> nvm

04:24 <clusty> from boinc_proj

04:24 <clusty> i type bin/start

04:24 <desti> http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/

04:24 <Romulus> Title: Google Lunar X PRIZE (at www.googlelunarxprize.org)

04:24 <mweltin> ok

04:24 <clusty> nvm

04:24 <mweltin> did you mess with the config.xml at all

04:24 <clusty> i will fix it

04:24 <clusty> thought it would be obvious

04:25 <clusty> ...but then again you are just a dud

04:25 <clusty> :D

04:25 <clusty> you aint that special :D

04:25 <mweltin> well ever notice how an xml tag and its data are on three lines and not one.

04:25 <clusty> nope. did not touch config.xml in ages

04:25 <mweltin> ok

04:26 <mweltin> I got some strange errors once when I put all the xml on one line.

04:26 <mweltin> <tag> data </tag>

04:27 <mweltin> strange I just tried it now and it worked fine.

04:27 <clusty> i can't even read whats wrong. is it my code

04:27 <clusty> or the lib that chokes?

04:28 <mweltin> at this point I'd think it was the python scirpt, but I'm not sure, could you pastebin.com that error message

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04:31 <mweltin> I have a local copy I'm going to try to upgrade and see if I get the same error.

04:31 <KathrynM> bbiab...  dinner

04:31 <mweltin> whats for dinner.

04:31 <mweltin> no produce on the island today.

04:32 <mweltin> I have to live vicariously (sp?)

04:33 <clusty> http://pastebin.com/m2ceab8a3

04:33 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

04:33 <clusty> is the error

04:36 <mweltin> I'm still waiting for my boinc source to download

04:37 <clusty> mweltin, definitely some stuff was replaced

04:37 <clusty> Unpacking python-libxml2 (from .../python-libxml2_2.6.30.dfsg-2ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb) ...

04:38 <mweltin> did you update python's libxml2 package

04:38 <mweltin> I'm not sure what you were telling me just now.

04:38 <clusty> yes

04:38 <clusty> found in log files that it got updated

04:39 <mweltin> ahhh

04:39 <clusty> ghhh

04:39 <mweltin> so wait do you have a boinc package?

04:39 <clusty> nope

04:39 <clusty> i compiled from source

04:39 <mweltin> good

04:39 <clusty> and did a make_project

04:39 <mweltin> excelent

04:39 <clusty> can I just do another proj

04:39 <mweltin> sure

04:39 <clusty> and copy the config_xml?

04:40 <mweltin> it will make a new one for you, but you can copy the config.xml over yes.

04:40 <mweltin> did you run the upgrade script ?

04:40 <clusty> so all my settings will be there?

04:40 <clusty> nope

04:40 <clusty> never knew there was one

04:40 <clusty> :D

04:41 <mweltin> ok, so one thing I was told was that....

04:41 <mweltin> when there is a server fix, or upgrade you go to the boinc source dir

04:41 <mweltin> svn update

04:41 <mweltin> then in the $BONC_SRC/tools dir

04:41 <mweltin> is a script upgrade

04:42 <clusty> rite

04:42 <clusty> lemme check

04:42 <mweltin> I think the syntax is upgrade path to project ro something

04:43 <clusty> Usage: upgrade [options] project_name

04:43 <clusty> Options:

04:43 <clusty>   --project_root    default: HOME/projects/

04:43 <clusty> will give it a shot now

04:43 <clusty> do I have to recompile new sources?

04:43 <clusty> or the upgrade takes care fo that?

04:43 <mweltin> shouldn't no

04:44 <mweltin> sometimes there are database udpates too but that is a different procedure.

04:45 <clusty> funny :D

04:45 <clusty> cant upgrade

04:45 <clusty> script chokes

04:45 <clusty> :D

04:45 <mweltin> what do you get for an error there?

04:46 <clusty> http://pastebin.com/m58ad5977

04:46 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

04:46 <clusty> basically cant stop proj

04:46 <mweltin> why you run svn update if there are changes to the Makefile.am you have to run _autosetup again.

04:47 <mweltin> did you stop the project first?

04:47 <clusty> it is stopped

04:47 <mweltin> oh wait its stopped alraedy

04:47 <clusty> but no start/stop/status can be run

04:47 <mweltin> thats the whole problem

04:47 <clusty> :D

04:49 <mweltin> so we obviously have the right version of python because it used to work.

04:50 <mweltin> I can send you my boincxml.py file if you want to do a diff on it.

04:50 <clusty> i suspect its a python problem

04:50 <mweltin> if they are the same we know its a python problem.

04:51 <clusty> send away then

04:52 <clusty> email it pls

04:52 <clusty> clusty1@gmail.com

04:52 <mweltin> ok

04:52 <clusty> and thanks for the help

04:55 <mweltin> apparently it's part of the python standard library.

04:55 <mweltin> the expat module taht is.

04:55 <clusty> though so

04:57 <mweltin> my old box has python 2.4.3

04:57 <mweltin> and let me check my new box.

04:58 <mweltin> 2.5.1

04:58 <mweltin> on the new box.

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04:59 <KathrynM> back

04:59 <TheGasGiant> wb

04:59 <KathrynM> thx

04:59 <mweltin> KathrynM,  is a python guru she can help fiugre this out.

05:00 <clusty> goody

05:00 <KathrynM> hahahahahaha

05:00 <mweltin> sorry clusty I was only kidding

05:00 <clusty> i know

05:00 <clusty> :D

05:00 <KathrynM> I'm a lowly English teacher

05:00 <mweltin> that was more for her benifit thank yous

05:00 <mweltin> lowly?

05:01 <TheGasGiant> who obvously knows python :)

05:01 <mweltin> the gas giant ?

05:01 <mweltin> perhaps?

05:01 <clusty> well i picture she's quite resourcefull

05:01 <KathrynM> The only python I know is the snake.  And I'll stay far away from those, thaniks.

05:01 <clusty> not many english teachers can handle linux

05:01 <clusty> :D

05:01 <KathrynM> WEll, it took quite a bit of hand holding ;)

05:02 <clusty> i am sure the process was pleasant in itself :D

05:02 <mweltin> no joke, once i asked my english teacher how long my paper should be.

05:03 <mweltin> he said...."Markus a good paper is like a womans skirt, long enough to cover the subject and short enough to keep your interest"

05:03 <clusty> dirty....

05:03 <clusty> hope that was not highschool

05:03 <KathrynM> lol

05:04 <mweltin> and it was, and it was in the middle of class and right when the PC movement was going strong.

05:05 <mweltin> I don't think I took an english class after highschool.

05:05 <mweltin> does it show?

05:06 <clusty> sure aint showin'

05:06 <mweltin> can't spell my way out of a paper bag, and I never which to or too I should use.

05:06 <mweltin> number two is the only know I can remember.

05:06 <KathrynM> and dont forget two too

05:06 <KathrynM> :)

05:07 <mweltin> the real nail in the coffin for me and english was Mrs. Kish.  She made us read every John Steinbeck novel written.

05:08 <mweltin> after the red pony I wanted to kill her.

05:08 <clusty> steinbeck is the "of mice and men" guy?

05:08 <mweltin> I brought the satanic bible to school just to freak her out.

05:08 <mweltin> yes among other tragicly long and boring books.

05:09 <KathrynM> never read steinbeck

05:09 <clusty> well I almost failed one year since I did not put any accents or dots on i's

05:09 <mweltin> now she tells me

05:09 <clusty> idiotic

05:09 <mweltin> where were you 20 years agao.

05:09 <KathrynM> lol

05:09 <KathrynM> in elementary school

05:10 <clusty> well in romanian we have like 4 letters with funny squiggly things

05:10 <KathrynM> or maybe middle school.

05:10 <clusty> no one uses them

05:10 <clusty> can bet from context

05:10 <mweltin> clusty its totally python

05:10 <clusty> get*

05:10 <clusty> python lib?

05:10 <clusty> i mean python itself not boinc

05:10 <mweltin> yeah I just ran the upgrade script and it wroked fine.

05:11 <clusty> which version of python do you have?

05:11 <mweltin> 2.4.3

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05:11 <clusty> lemme see if i can downgrade

05:12 <mweltin> I'd try my live server with python 2.5 but I dont' want to f it up.

05:12 <mweltin> done

05:12 <mweltin> dont*

05:12 <mweltin> python is like Norton antivirus on windows.

05:12 <clusty> i have 2.5.1

05:12 <mweltin> its in everything and everywhere

05:12 <mweltin> if you mess up python on your box it sucks.

05:12 <mweltin> 2.5 is great

05:13 <mweltin> what distro?

05:13 <mweltin> of linux that is?

05:13 <clusty> wholly macaro

05:13 <clusty> i cant kill python

05:13 <clusty> its ubuntu server

05:13 <clusty> :D

05:13 <clusty> debian is a bit old

05:13 <mweltin> ok, so it has some package managmentthing right?

05:13 <clusty> yeap

05:13 <clusty> will install 2.4

05:14 <mweltin> is it debian based?

05:14 <mweltin> no

05:14 <mweltin> no

05:14 <mweltin> no

05:14 <clusty> yes

05:14 <mweltin> dont install 2.4

05:14 <clusty> 99% debian compliant :D

05:14 <mweltin> lets first try to just deal with the package

05:14 <mweltin> sorry

05:14 <mweltin> modlue

05:14 <clusty> huh?

05:14 <clusty> do what?

05:14 <mweltin> expat module

05:14 <clusty> ok

05:15 <mweltin> I think we should try to reinstall the expat python module.

05:15 <clusty> 2.34.4.3

05:15 <clusty> is what i have

05:15 <clusty> libxml-paser-oerl

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05:16 <mweltin> is expat installed on your box?

05:16 <clusty> yes

05:16 <clusty> 1.95.8

05:17 <clusty> libexpat1

05:17 <mweltin> because based on my 3 min of research, pyhon expat module is just a wrapper

05:17 <clusty> yeap

05:18 <mweltin> ok so how do python modules work?  do they load a shared lib or something when they are impored into a script?

05:19 <clusty> no bloody idea

05:19 <clusty> know of thing called twig or whatever

05:20 <mweltin> no worries

05:20 <clusty> that makes it easy for python to play nice with other langs

05:20 <mweltin> I'll just make something up and we can test it.

05:20 <clusty> so why not downgrade python?

05:20 <mweltin> that could mess up your system a lot

05:21 <mweltin> not worht the risk at this point

05:21 <clusty> indeed

05:21 <mweltin> but go ahead if you want.

05:21 <clusty> no thanks

05:21 <clusty> 20 people will yell at me

05:21 <clusty> :D

05:21 <clusty> all sorts of services are running there for company

05:21 <mweltin> what do you care what other people say

05:21 <mweltin> ok you are a command line?

05:21 <clusty> well I have to fix it afterwards

05:22 <mweltin> haha

05:22 <clusty> i am the admin

05:22 <clusty> :D

05:22 <clusty> would rather move the server on my machine

05:22 <clusty> than f** up the server

05:22 <mweltin> you are the admin, adn all this teim I thought you were just some guy.

05:22 <clusty> :D

05:22 <mweltin> fire up a terminal and start python

05:23 <clusty> done chief

05:23 <clusty> what now?

05:23 <mweltin> import sys

05:23 <mweltin> import xml.dom.minidom

05:23 <mweltin> tell me if you get any errors

05:23 <clusty> done

05:23 <mweltin> any errors?

05:24 <clusty> nope

05:24 <clusty> all honky dorry :D

05:24 <mweltin> cool

05:25 <mweltin> so the boincxml.py is just a lib of python classes

05:25 <clusty> yeah

05:25 <mweltin> and those are the only two modules it imports.

05:25 <clusty> maybe some prototype has changed meanwhile

05:25 <clusty> inside the python-xml thing

05:25 <clusty> #args/types

05:25 <clusty> whatever

05:26 <mweltin> then it was a crappy wrapper

05:26 <clusty> will prolly be best if I wrote to the mailing list

05:26 <clusty> there must be python-boinc experts there

05:26 <mweltin> can't hurt

05:26 <mweltin> try #python here in irc

05:27 <clusty> they'll tell me: go learn python

05:27 <clusty> and dont bug us with your dumb questions :LD

05:27 <mweltin> true

05:28 <mweltin> but every once in a while you get a nice guy

05:28 <clusty> lets see :D

05:30 <mweltin> is there a file called run_state_$HOST.xml in your project dir?

05:30 <mweltin> where $HOST is your box's hostname

05:31 <clusty> yes

05:31 <clusty> empty

05:31 <clusty> should i remove?

05:31 <clusty> worked

05:31 <mweltin> empty empty like nothing?

05:31 <clusty> fokin ay

05:31 <clusty> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

05:31 <clusty> fokin ey

05:31 <mweltin> what

05:32 <clusty> now it works

05:32 <clusty> i closed the boinc by killing

05:32 <clusty> cause FS was full

05:32 <mweltin> ouch

05:32 <clusty> and could not close any other way

05:32 <clusty> did a killall

05:32 <clusty> i feel like I could kiss you

05:32 <clusty> ...but that would be just too gay

05:32 <clusty> :D

05:33 <mweltin> I get that a lot

05:33 <mweltin> its ok

05:33 <clusty> thanks a bunch dud

05:33 <mweltin> np

05:33 <clusty> you are afterall DA MAN

05:33 <clusty> :D

05:33 <mweltin> I'm just some guy you know

05:33 <clusty> how on earth could I have figured that one out

05:34 <mweltin> well I started to look at the files themselves.

05:34 <clusty> should I bother upgrading?

05:34 <clusty> now that it works?

05:34 <mweltin> bin/start and theboincxml.py

05:34 <clusty> or don't touch it :D

05:34 <mweltin> they are well documented.

05:34 <mweltin> sure what is the worst that can happen

05:35 <clusty> just trash it :D

05:35 <mweltin> you are just running uppecase right?

05:35 <clusty> which is no disaster

05:35 <clusty> wrapper

05:35 <clusty> :D

05:35 <mweltin> the only things that screw up are php things on the website.

05:35 <mweltin> well let me rephrase that

05:36 <mweltin> when i have run an upgrade, I have never noticed anything other than some php pages break.

05:36 <mweltin> WU and results seem to come and go without issue.

05:36 <mweltin> but there is a first time for everything.

05:37 <clusty> scripts worked just fine

05:38 <clusty> to run php form command line I need CGI php?

05:39 <mweltin> no

05:39 <mweltin> php script_name

05:39 <mweltin> should work

05:39 <mweltin> errrr

05:39 <clusty> i mean php is for now just an apache module

05:39 <mweltin> yeah

05:39 <clusty> no php exec

05:39 <clusty> usually that came with CGI version of php

05:40 <clusty> is there a smarter way of doing that?

05:40 <mweltin> no you can use php as an almost shell if youwant

05:40 <mweltin> no still an apache mod.

05:40 <mweltin> as far as I know

05:40 <clusty> think its php-cli

05:41 <mweltin> I remember raeding about some gtk and php deal where you could make desktop apps with them.

05:41 <mweltin> no apache nothing.

05:41 <clusty> yeap

05:41 <clusty> that was it

05:42 <clusty> i remember reading of boinc forums

05:42 <clusty> to do cron jobs on them you needed the funny command line php

05:42 <mweltin> you can use php as a shell

05:42 <mweltin> af\aljflaskdjf

05:42 <mweltin> sorry

05:42 <mweltin> you can use php as a scripting language, like bash if you want

05:42 <clusty> yeah

05:43 <clusty> but the interpreter does not come by defualt

05:43 <clusty> cause most ppl do just webv pages

05:43 <clusty> and they need just apache to see them

05:43 <clusty> anyways

05:43 <clusty> seemed to have worked

05:46 <mweltin> cool beans

05:46 <mweltin> I'm going to bed then.

05:46 <mweltin> you all take care.

05:46 <KathrynM> night mweltin

05:47 <mweltin> ngiht KathrynM, take care, and don't make the kids read steinbeck, in the end they will hate you for it.

05:47 <clusty> gnite, thanks mr man

05:47 <clusty> :D

05:47 <KathrynM> Ive got kids who are lucky to say their abc's

05:47 <KathrynM> They won't be reading steinbeck any time soon.

05:48 <mweltin> for all I know Mrs. Kish is a nice person with only a character flaw, but I'll never know.

05:48 <KathrynM> lol

05:48 <mweltin> oh so it's hemmingway for them

05:48 <clusty> any of you read a book called "foam of daze" or "froth of days"?

05:48 <clusty> by some french dud called boris vian?

05:48 <KathrynM> nope

05:48 <clusty> damn

05:48 <mweltin> no

05:49 <clusty> can't share my love for this book with you

05:49 <clusty> :D

05:49 <mweltin> I did read green eggs and ham

05:49 <KathrynM> one of my favorites markus

05:49 <KathrynM> It was the first book I learned to read.

05:49 <clusty> lemme wiki for it

05:49 <mweltin> I don't read much.

05:49 <xcamel> boo

05:49 <mweltin> after green eggs everything else is a let down.

05:49 <clusty> balah

05:50 <clusty> blah

05:50 <KathrynM> lol

05:50 <mweltin> xcamel I am.

05:50 <clusty> some kiddy book

05:50 <mweltin> ok now I'm going

05:50 <mweltin> later

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05:50 <xcamel> 05:50 am - not much of anything yet...

05:53 <TheGasGiant> heya jay

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06:26 <hawmps> ip kill >> 70.86.201.130

07:16 <clusty> bang bang kill em all

07:16 <clusty> :D

07:20 <hawmps> ssh2 hakorz

07:20 <clusty> have fail2ban?

07:20 <clusty> or similar thing

07:20 <clusty> all haxorz get a nice automatic firewall ban

07:23 <desti> change the ssh port

07:23 <desti> and 99,9999% of all ssh bots are out of bussiness

07:24 <clusty> i put some ridiculous high port

07:24 <clusty> over 10k

07:24 <clusty> most port scanners stop there

07:24 <clusty> and anyways you can catch them with snort if they scan you

07:25 <clusty> and ban before they get your ssh

07:34 <KathrynM> Can someone tell me if you can access this?

07:34 <KathrynM> http://cid-e4cad7365b7b4559.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Little%20Campus%20Materials

07:34 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1acC> (at cid-e4cad7365b7b4559.skydrive.live.com)

07:35 <clusty> you click on the globe

07:35 <clusty> :D

07:35 <KathrynM> thanks.  That's all I needed to know.

07:36 <clusty> kath, you are raising haxorz

07:36 <clusty> :D

07:36 <clusty> teaching them to crack codes from early ages

07:36 <KathrynM> nah

07:36 <KathrynM> That's all my stuff

07:37 <clusty> your brain is an example of:

07:37 <clusty> protoplasm

07:37 <clusty> :D

07:37 <KathrynM> I just needed to make sure it was as easy as clicking a link for the less technically inclined coworkers

07:37 <clusty> well i am quite techie :D

07:38 <KathrynM> If you said well, I had to open port 49 on my router and then change my IP tables blah blah blah, I would have known that this ain't gonna work.

07:38 <KathrynM> But if all you did was click, well...

07:39 <KathrynM> :D

07:39 <clusty> damn, i was lucky to have stumbled across the big daddy master chief, markus

07:39 <KathrynM> :)

07:39 <clusty> would have cried for a long time otherwise

07:40 <KathrynM> Well...  I could have told you what your problem was.  But I thought I'd let Markus feel important :p

07:40 <clusty> sure you did

07:40 <clusty> dunno

07:40 <KathrynM> lol

07:40 <clusty> i love more and more my job

07:40 <clusty> i am payed to chat on IRC

07:40 <clusty> :D

07:40 <KathrynM> nice

07:41 <KathrynM> darn it...  forgot to make my science vocab sheet.

07:41 <KathrynM> bbiab

07:41 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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07:51 <KathrynM> great.  "A Healthy Body"

07:51 <clusty> velcome

07:51 <clusty> :D

07:52 <clusty> science for kiddos?

07:52 <KathrynM> So I'll get to hear how the picture of the boy has a winky.

07:52 <KathrynM> Just what I want to hear for the next two weeks.

07:52 <KathrynM> Yeah, 2nd and 3rd graders.

07:52 <clusty> telling them about bees and birds?

07:52 <KathrynM> thankfully no

07:52 <clusty> i imagine that must be brutal

07:52 <KathrynM> But a coworker gets to do that with some 5th and 6th graders

07:52 <clusty> that late?

07:53 <clusty> my momma told me about that sort of stuff

07:53 <KathrynM> well, how many English language schools do you know that teach sex ed

07:53 <clusty> i know i have felt deeply ashamed

07:53 <KathrynM> I think it was 5th grade for me (in school - mom didn't tell me a freaking thing)

07:53 <clusty> as long as bushie does not pay for them, a lot

07:53 <clusty> :D

07:53 <clusty> mom tried being as dimplomatic about ti

07:54 <clusty> but i was asking for it :D

07:54 <clusty> was a curios kid

07:54 <KathrynM> Helen wants to kill me because I picked the science book she's using.

07:54 <KathrynM> heh... why am I not surprised about your curiosity.

07:54 <clusty> well I was curious about stuff which should not have :D

07:54 <clusty> like:

07:55 <clusty> what happens when the momma and poppa don't want the kid

07:55 <clusty> :D

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07:55 <KathrynM> whoa

07:55 <clusty> with the footnote that during those times you go to jail for abortion

07:55 <clusty> in full commie era

07:55 <clusty> :D

07:55 <KathrynM> I just read the books my mum's doc gave her when she was expecting my youngest brother.  I was 9

07:56 <clusty> :D

07:56 <clusty> so you got the full gory medical perspective

07:56 <KathrynM> pretty much

07:56 <KathrynM> I was a well educated 9 year old.

07:56 <KathrynM> On the way to the hospital when she was in labor with Chris, I asked how many cm she was dialated :D

07:57 <clusty> i remember charming girls in second grade about lasers

07:57 <clusty> transistors

07:57 <clusty> and force of gravity

07:57 <clusty> :D

07:57 <KathrynM> lol

07:57 <clusty> those were my bedtime stories of my paps

07:57 <clusty> :D

07:57 <KathrynM> I was not your typical child.

07:57 <KathrynM> that's awesome

07:57 <clusty> i am laughing my ass off when i hear myself

07:57 <clusty> my dad taped me asking all those dumb questions

07:58 <KathrynM> lol

07:58 <KathrynM> gah....

07:58 <KathrynM> grep, not grup

07:58 <clusty> raser :D

07:58 <clusty> i could not pronounce L

07:58 <clusty> :D

07:58 * KathrynM bangs head on desk

07:58 <clusty> as a kid

07:59 <clusty> whats wrong?

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07:59 <KathrynM> nothing, trying something Eric recommended I look at

07:59 <KathrynM> But grup won't do anything :)

08:00 <clusty> who's eric?

08:00 <clusty> :D

08:00 <KathrynM> Eric Myers (from Pirates)

08:00 <clusty> rite

08:00 <KathrynM> :)

08:00 <clusty> he is not hanging around here?

08:01 <KathrynM> nah.  I've never seen him in #boinc.

08:03 <KathrynM> hahahahahaha!!!!

08:03 <KathrynM> "Then there are makefiles, which you may be ready for now."

08:03 <clusty> whats the reason of joy?

08:04 <KathrynM> not necessarily joy, but definitely amusement

08:06 <clusty> wow. did not expect this much dedication from testers

08:06 <clusty> :D

08:06 <KathrynM> your project?

08:06 <clusty> no

08:06 <clusty> you and your projects

08:06 <clusty> :D

08:06 <KathrynM> what do you mean?

08:07 <clusty> you seem to be helping out quite a bit to weed out bugs

08:07 <clusty> with pirates

08:07 <clusty> and stuff

08:07 <KathrynM> some.

08:07 <KathrynM> I can report what I see.

08:07 <clusty> running alpha client if i am not mistaking also

08:07 <KathrynM> On Windows yeah.

08:07 <KathrynM> I was helping alpha test Eric's rpm too.

08:07 <KathrynM> But it was using a stable build of BOINC.

08:08 <KathrynM> I suppose I should download and give 5.10.42 a whirl and see how that works.

08:08 <clusty> i was considering to get involved into building deb packages of the server

08:08 <KathrynM> I compiled the client, but not the manager last week (or maybe the week before that)

08:08 <clusty> wanna try the manager?

08:09 <clusty> its quite easy

08:09 <KathrynM> I don't have wxWidgets and stuff yet.

08:09 <clusty> thats the sercret

08:09 <KathrynM> And it's getting late here.

08:09 <clusty> under windows you just compile WX

08:09 <clusty> set an env var

08:09 <clusty> and alakazam

08:09 <KathrynM> oh god..........

08:09 <clusty> :D

08:09 <KathrynM> hell no

08:09 <KathrynM> I tried and tried and tried

08:09 <clusty> same for linux

08:09 <KathrynM> No luck

08:09 <clusty> took me a week to figure it out

08:10 <KathrynM> Talk about banging my head into a brick wall.

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08:10 <clusty> ..and with the help of the friendly boinc crew got it compiling

08:10 <KathrynM> If I'm ever super super bored and can't find anything interesting to do on Linux, then I'll redownload VS and try it again.

08:10 <clusty> ummm

08:10 <KathrynM> The chances of that happening are slim to none.

08:10 <clusty> you better have the full VS

08:11 <clusty> and not VSexpress

08:11 <KathrynM> Jord built it with VS express.

08:11 <clusty> cause the later one needs tons of extra libs

08:11 <KathrynM> We were trying to build it at the same time.

08:11 <KathrynM> Him on 2K me on Vista

08:11 <clusty> if you get a torrent of the full one its peanuts

08:11 <clusty> i feel no remorse stealing form billy

08:11 <clusty> :D

08:11 <KathrynM> About the only thing that did build without issue was WxWidgets

08:12 <KathrynM> Heh, I can always get it from my brother.  He has the volume license key from his uni.

08:12 <KathrynM> How do you think I got XP Pro on the new computer (and my old P4 for that matter)

08:12 <clusty> faster to just download

08:13 <KathrynM> true.  It'd take 10 days for it to come in the mail (plus however long it would take him to remember to send it)

08:13 <clusty> if you want a german vista extreme....

08:13 <clusty> :D

08:13 <KathrynM> Hell no.  Vista is annoying enough in my native language.

08:14 <clusty> vista is good for your health

08:15 <clusty> keeps you active

08:15 <clusty> :D

08:15 <KathrynM> Linux is better for my sanity (I think).

08:15 <clusty> best weight loss pill

08:15 <KathrynM> lol

08:16 <clusty> :D

08:16 <clusty> if its too comfy you grow fat

08:16 <clusty> :D

08:16 <KathrynM> lol

08:17 <clusty> thats why i am skinny

08:17 <clusty> i am always pissed

08:17 <clusty> and stressed

08:17 <clusty> :D

08:17 <KathrynM> :D

08:20 <KathrynM> hey clusty, you on Facebook?

08:21 <clusty> yeap

08:21 <clusty> vlad lazar

08:22 <KathrynM> which one?

08:24 <clusty> the dude coming out from waching machine

08:24 <clusty> :D

08:27 <clusty> done

08:27 <clusty> know a guy jack schultz?

08:28 <clusty> some other boinc fella, but I can't peg him

08:28 <clusty> yeah :D

08:28 <clusty> you also have him

08:28 <clusty> :D

08:28 <KathrynM> yup

08:28 <KathrynM> I know Jack.

08:28 <KathrynM> Hydrogen@Home

08:28 <KathrynM> Obviously we're not meant to be friends...

08:29 <KathrynM> vlad lazar

08:29 <clusty> why not?

08:29 <KathrynM> facebook says we can't :(

08:29 <clusty> sure we can

08:29 <clusty> you are my buddy already

08:29 <KathrynM> Give me an error message

08:29 <KathrynM> This person cannot be added as a friend...

08:30 <KathrynM> worked second time around

08:30 <clusty> got the poke?

08:31 <KathrynM> hehehe

08:31 <KathrynM> I have a funny student storry.

08:31 <clusty> weee guinea pigsss

08:31 <KathrynM> I had a little girl, 5 years old, right after I started teaching.

08:31 <KathrynM> :D

08:31 <clusty> and?

08:31 <Romulus> hmm... and is with no internet for like a month, clusty

08:31 <KathrynM> I was sitting at the computer checking email and Tina comes up to me and pokes me in the arm

08:32 <KathrynM> And pokes me and pokes me and pokes me

08:32 <KathrynM> all the while saying "Poke!  Poke!  Poke!"

08:32 <clusty> :D

08:32 <KathrynM> She did for like 2 months running.

08:32 <KathrynM> DIdn't matter how many times I said, "Tina, don't do that"  "Tina, you need to go eat your lunch"  "Tina, Jeannie Teacher is calling you"

08:32 <KathrynM> She stood there and poked me in the arm.

08:32 <KathrynM> So I tickled her :)

08:33 <clusty> :D

08:33 <clusty> fav music country?

08:33 <KathrynM> yup

08:33 <clusty> johny cash aint bad

08:33 <clusty> is that country?

08:33 <KathrynM> old country

08:33 <clusty> also credence are cool

08:34 <clusty> they have a hill billy concert

08:34 <clusty> :D

08:34 <clusty> with bucket base

08:34 <clusty> and washboards and stuff

08:34 <clusty> know it?

08:34 <KathrynM> I've heard CCR, but not gone to a concert

08:35 <clusty> me neither \

08:35 <clusty> its some 60,70's TV show

08:36 * KathrynM yawns

08:36 <KathrynM> I'm gonna hit the sack.

08:36 <KathrynM> ttyl

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08:36 <clusty> http://youtube.com/watch?v=9ICmGKFz94Q

08:36 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Creedence Clearwater Revival - Down on the corner (at youtube.com)

08:36 <clusty> check this one out

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08:43 <wdsmia_w> &weather 50319

08:43 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 32F / 0C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Today - Rain likely in the morning...then rain in the late morning and early afternoon. Snow in the late morning and afternoon. New snow accumulation of 3 to 4 inches. High in the upper 30s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. (2 more messages)

08:43 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:43 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the northeast 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tonight - Snow in the evening...then a chance of snow after midnight. Areas of blowing snow after midnight. Breezy...colder. Snow accumulation around 2 inches. Total snow accumulation 5 to 6 inches. Low 15 to 20. North wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts (1 more message)

08:43 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:43 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: to around 35 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. Breezy...colder. Areas of blowing snow in the morning. High in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 15 to 25 mph.; Winter Weather Advisory for Polk County in effect until 6:00 AM CST on February 26, 2008;

08:53 <CoderForLife> *hello Doug

08:53 <wdsmia_w> mornin Don

08:53 <CoderForLife> all things being equal, I should have a "_w" after my nick

08:54 <wdsmia_w> is it Friday yet?

08:54 <CoderForLife> I am remoted into my home desktop; any form of IM at w@#% is verbotten

08:55 <CoderForLife> not quite Friday, hang on for just a bit

08:56 <wdsmia_w> No IM here just IE :)

09:07 <CoderForLife> We're still cursed with IE6 - crashes once each morning for me

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09:07 <CoderForLife> I also have Firefox, so there is some hope of productivity

09:08 <wdsmia_w> lol

09:08 <CoderForLife> need to wander away to a meeting in a few - cya later

09:08 <wdsmia_w> cya

09:08 <CoderForLife> er "beating"

09:25 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

09:25 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 46.4F / 8.0C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 63 to 68. Light winds becoming northwest 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 42 to 49. Light winds.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs 71 to 76. Winds (1 more message)

09:25 <Soul_keeper> &more

09:25 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: northeast 15 mph.;

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10:28 <wdsmia_w> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080225.html

10:28 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 February 25 - Dawn of the Large Hadron Collider (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

10:48 <yoyo[RKN]> someone with php knowledge here?

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11:16 <hawmps> wow on the LHC photo

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13:04 <PovAddict> holy crap I have Docking work

13:06 <wdsmia_w> Wow I just made #1 RAC at LHC

13:08 <Tank_Master> same here - I got some 8 docking WUs on each of my comps

13:12 <Tank_Master> n congratz on the RAC, wdsmia_w

13:16 <wdsmia_w> #20 TC need more work to advance

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13:45 <Tank_Master_> wow - animated ASCII art...

13:45 <Tank_Master_> http://procool.ru/interesting/funny_kitten.htm

13:45 <Romulus> Title: =) (at procool.ru)

13:46 <PovAddict> http://www.asciimation.co.nz/

13:46 <Romulus> Title: STAR WARS ASCIIMATION - Main Page (at www.asciimation.co.nz)

13:46 <PovAddict> star wars in ASCII

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14:33 <ELGono> hehe pov ;)

14:33 <ELGono> 0ldsk3wl : telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

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14:55 <PovAddict> zombie67: don't even bother with &seen

14:55 <zombie67> still no show, eh?

14:56 <zombie67> got a butt-load of docking@home work.

14:57 <PovAddict> I got like

14:57 <PovAddict> one

14:57 <PovAddict> but I just got two LHC :)

14:57 <PovAddict> I just forced them to run, finished in 4 seconds

14:57 <zombie67> superlink has work again

14:57 <zombie67> hah!

14:58 <PovAddict> "so many projects, so few machines"

14:59 <PovAddict> MTughan last seen on Konfabulator forums 23rd February 2008 - 03:34 PM

14:59 <zombie67> hope he's okay.

14:59 <zombie67> does he have more than one computer?

14:59 <PovAddict> yes

14:59 <zombie67> rules out HW crash

15:00 <PovAddict> "if somebody is off IRC for a week, he probably got hit by a train"

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15:52 <xcamel> re-hi

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15:59 <xcamel> &weather 12074

15:59 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 40.3F / 4.6C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. South winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday - Snow likely in the (1 more message)

15:59 <xcamel> &more

15:59 <Romulus> xcamel: morning...then snow or rain in the afternoon. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Highs in the mid 30s. Southeast winds around 5 mph...becoming east in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 2:00 PM EST on February 27, 2008;

15:59 <xcamel> figures..

15:59 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

15:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 53.9F / 12.2C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.35in / 1027.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Isolated rain showers in the morning. Highs 50 to 55. Light wind.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the 30s. Light wind.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Highs 55 to 60. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

16:00 <xcamel> thanks for sending us the storm, TM...

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16:02 <Tank_Master> We havent have any stormes in quite a while now

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16:33 <zombie67> depspid has some work

16:33 <Tank_Master> so I noted

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17:25 <zombie67> BS is slow

17:27 <Tank_Master> somewhat

17:28 <Tank_Master> images sure are though

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17:46 <xcamel> re-back

17:47 <Tank_Master> wb

17:52 <xcamel> they upped our snow totals - 10-16 possible

17:53 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:53 <wdsmia> what a mess out there

17:58 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

18:04 <Tank_Master> yes, all that sun is blinding me

18:04 <xcamel> we just ended two beautiful sunny days..

18:05 <Tank_Master> :)

18:05 <Tank_Master> sun doesnt do anything any good

18:05 <Tank_Master> it only makes things get brown

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18:12 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

18:13 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 33F / 1C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Heavy Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Snow and rain. New snow accumulation around 1 inch. North wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tonight - Breezy. Snow early in the evening...then a chance of snow late in the evening. A slight chance (2 more messages)

18:13 <wdsmia> &more

18:13 <Romulus> wdsmia: of snow after midnight. Patchy blowing snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Total snow accumulation 4 to 5 inches. Low 15 to 20. North wind 15 to 25 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. Scattered flurries. High in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Winter Weather Advisory for Polk County in effect until 12:00 AM CST on (1 more message)

18:13 <wdsmia> &more

18:13 <Romulus> wdsmia: February 26, 2008;

18:17 <xcamel> supposed to drop to 0 by wed night

18:18 <xcamel> then another storm by the weekend..

18:18 <Tank_Master> balmy

18:18 <Tank_Master> might get down to freezing here tonight

18:18 <Tank_Master> and more blinding stuff for us this weekend

18:21 * KathrynM is back (gone 09:44:49)

18:21 <KathrynM> &weather Ulsan

18:21 <Tank_Master> wb

18:21 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Chance of Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Rain. Low:33 F. / 1 C.; Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Clear. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Clear. Low:33 F. / 1 C.;

18:21 <KathrynM> thx

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18:23 <xcamel> 'lo K

18:23 <KathrynM> mornin'

18:23 <xcamel> evenin, even

18:25 <Tank_Master> afternoon

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18:26 <Tank_Master> howdy TF

18:50 * CoderForLife drops in

18:50 <CoderForLife> hello folks

18:50 <Tank_Master> hey

18:50 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master

18:51 <KathrynM> hiya CoderForLife

18:51 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM in Korea

18:51 <xcamel> 'lo Don

18:51 <CoderForLife> did you all see the LHC pic on APOD?

18:52 <xcamel> the pic was cool..

18:52 <CoderForLife> hey Jay

18:52 <CoderForLife> absolutely

18:53 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

18:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 33.6F / 0.9C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - A chance of rain this evening...then rain developing after midnight. Temperatures rising to the upper 30s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tuesday - Rain in the morning. Snow in the afternoon. Snow (2 more messages)

18:53 <CoderForLife> &more

18:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: accumulation around an inch. Breezy with morning highs in the upper 30s. West winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts to 40 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy. Snow likely in the evening...then a chance of snow showers after midnight. Total accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible. Blustery and much colder with lows around 20. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph (1 more message)

18:53 <CoderForLife> blah

18:53 <CoderForLife> &more

18:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: with gusts to 40 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.;

18:53 <xcamel> that thing is so big, I hope they don't light it up and create a black hole or something stupid..

18:54 * CoderForLife kicks his virtual dog

18:54 <xcamel> real life 'half life'

18:54 <KathrynM> wow.  that's one impressive piece of machinary.

18:54 <CoderForLife> you know, I was going to mention that if they can't make a black hole on the surface of the earth with that thing, it can't be done

18:54 <KathrynM> lol

18:55 <CoderForLife> they finally coerced Stephen Hawking into agreeing that that wouldn't happen

18:56 <CoderForLife> he was worried

18:56 <CoderForLife> oh, by half life you mean rip a hole into another dimension?

18:57 <CoderForLife> Mesa Labs or whatever it's called in the game?

18:59 <Tank_Master> what game?

18:59 <xcamel> hl was my favorite game of all time

18:59 <CoderForLife> Half Life

19:00 <Tank_Master> crap life

19:01 <CoderForLife> well - I'm away for the rest of the evening - tc boincfolks

19:01 <xcamel> baah..

19:01 * CoderForLife ducks out

19:04 <Tank_Master> lol

19:04 <Tank_Master> tc cfl

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19:12 <KathrynM> hi ho hi ho, it's off to ..........  well, you know how the rest of the song goes

19:12 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

19:12 <Tank_Master> hf!

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19:19 <MTughan> I'm back for now... Dad confiscated my laptop.

19:20 <MTughan> zombie67: How'd the 64-bit Mac client work?

19:20 <Tank_Master> wb MT

19:20 <MTughan> For now.

19:20 <Tank_Master> hehe

19:20 <Tank_Master> whats up with the laptop?

19:21 <MTughan> Nothing. It's English.

19:21 <Tank_Master> ?

19:22 <MTughan> English mark in school. Missed one fucking assignment, and my mark's down to 33%.

19:22 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:22 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:23 <Tank_Master> well, dont miss it ;)

19:23 <MTughan> Heh.

19:23 <Tank_Master> btw, wdsmia, what do you think a grade of "f" meens?

19:23 <Tank_Master> "fuched"

19:23 <MTughan> I did pass 200K a few days ago though, so it's not all bad. :D

19:24 <Tank_Master> nice

19:24 <MTughan> Now I'm just worried about a WCG WU due tomorrow. Gonna be done though.

19:24 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:25 <Tank_Master> depspid has work

19:25 <MTughan> Firing up the VM...

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19:26 <MTughan> &any zombie67

19:26 <Romulus> MTughan: zombie67 was last seen in #boinc 2 hours and 59 seconds ago: <zombie67> BS is slow

19:26 <MTughan> Hmm, not for a while...

19:28 <MTughan> DepSpid has work? Just didn't get any...

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19:29 <Tank_Master> did anyway

19:30 <Tank_Master> up, sorry, its out of work now

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19:30 <MTughan> 'lo e

19:30 <xcamel> Hi Ed

19:32 <efc> Moo

19:32 <Tank_Master> eek

19:33 <Tank_Master> it speaks

19:33 <MTughan> Most people do.

19:33 <Tank_Master> but but..

19:33 <Tank_Master> efc...

19:33 <Tank_Master> person?

19:33 <MTughan> I would assume he's living at least.

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19:33 <MTughan> Most people here do. Excluding Rommie.

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19:33 <Tank_Master> so does pov, but that doesnt prove anything

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19:34 <PovAddict> I what?

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19:34 <MTughan> One sec...

19:35 <Tank_Master> see?

19:35 <MTughan> http://www.pastebin.ca/918249

19:35 <Tank_Master> hehe

19:35 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 918249 (at www.pastebin.ca)

19:35 <Tank_Master> j/k

19:35 <Tank_Master> you didnt start at the beginning

19:35 <MTughan> It's enough.

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19:39 <zombie67> i got some BRATS!

19:39 <MTughan> Hey zombie!

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19:40 <Tank_Master> 2/25/2008 4:39:20 PM|BRaTS@Home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.  Requesting 1 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

19:40 <Tank_Master> 2/25/2008 4:39:26 PM|BRaTS@Home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

19:40 <Tank_Master> 1 second?

19:40 <PovAddict> I don't have a BRaTS account :<

19:40 <Tank_Master> get one

19:40 <zombie67> hi MT!

19:40 <Tank_Master> hi Z

19:40 <zombie67> long time!

19:41 <MTughan> Yeah... Dad took away my laptop. >_>

19:41 <Tank_Master> Mr n00b MTughan didnt turn in an assignemnt

19:41 <zombie67> ouch!

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19:41 <zombie67> yeah, it worked great!

19:41 <MTughan> One assignment! And my mark goes down to 33%!

19:41 <Tank_Master> lol

19:41 <Tank_Master> shoulda dont it, man

19:42 <zombie67> however, 4 projects would not give up 32 bit apps:  TANPAKU, SZTAKI, RCN, and ..i forgot the 4th

19:43 <MTughan> They have x86_64 apps?

19:43 <zombie67> no

19:43 <PovAddict> no, they don't

19:43 <Tank_Master> Ralph

19:43 <PovAddict> and they have old server code that doesn't understand alt_platform

19:43 <zombie67> I am saying they did not give me 32 bit work

19:43 <Tank_Master> and Einstine?

19:43 <MTughan> Oh...

19:43 <zombie67> yeah!  RALPH!

19:43 <zombie67> einstein worked

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19:43 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

19:44 <Tank_Master> wasnt sure it it did or not

19:44 <zombie67> TM, this is OSX 64 bit client

19:44 <Tank_Master> they are talking about sending CPU spicific apps to everyone

19:44 <zombie67> I saw that

19:44 <Tank_Master> (einstine)

19:44 <Tank_Master> great effert on their part of they do

19:49 <efc> If they'd just write it all in Java, it would be so easy

19:49 <Tank_Master> java?

19:50 <Tank_Master> your insane?

19:50 <efc> JAVA

19:50 <Tank_Master> java is crap

19:50 <PovAddict> efc: the apps?

19:50 <Tank_Master> worse POSoftware made

19:50 * efc tosses the incendiary bomb in and walks away

19:50 <efc> Yes

19:50 <PovAddict> PrimeGrid admin told me some random guy emailed him about using *Flash*

19:50 <Tank_Master> y?

19:51 <MTughan> O_O

19:51 <efc> Brilliant!

19:51 <PovAddict> idea being that the user just visits a website and he's crunching

19:51 <Tank_Master> ahh, again, y?

19:51 <PovAddict> I dunno

19:51 <Tank_Master> lol

19:51 <PovAddict> he compared ActionScript performance to Java

19:51 <PovAddict> but I say neither would be as fast as PrimeGrid apps, optimized with assembly code

19:51 <MTughan> No.

19:52 <Tank_Master> what if someone cant install falsh for some reason?

19:52 <efc> It is a shame you can't describe a scientific task abstractly enough to be portably compilable, with good performance

19:52 <efc> Tank_Master: Javascript or VBScript

19:52 <PovAddict> I wrote an md5 cracker in JS

19:52 <PovAddict> you won't believe how slow it is

19:52 <PovAddict> 4 seconds to do 26 hashes

19:53 <Tank_Master> slower than molassus diped in LN2?

19:53 <PovAddict> http://190.188.178.151/cr4ck.htm

19:53 <Romulus> Title: Surprise (at 190.188.178.151)

19:54 <efc> We need an XLM-To-Roman-Numerals converter for the Intercal version

19:54 <efc> err XML

19:54 <efc> endian issue

19:55 <MTughan> XML to Roman numerals? WTF?

19:55 <PovAddict> MTughan: Intercal...

19:55 <MTughan> I obviously don't know what Intercal is...

19:55 <PovAddict> you're better off not knowing

19:56 <PovAddict> an example: you know how 'goto' is bad practice?

19:56 <Tank_Master> goto is awsome

19:56 <Tank_Master> easy to use

19:56 <PovAddict> intercal solved that by replacing 'go to' with 'come from'

19:56 <Tank_Master> lol

19:56 <MTughan> Uh... Nice.

19:56 <Tank_Master> "come from" your mom

19:57 <PovAddict> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMEFORM

19:57 <Romulus> Title: COMEFORM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

19:57 <PovAddict> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMEFROM

19:57 <Romulus> Title: COMEFROM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

19:58 <efc> HALT AND CATCH FIRE

19:58 <efc> PLEASE GIVE UP

19:58 <Tank_Master> anywho, ill bbl

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21:01 <xcamel> poof

21:01 <MTughan> You disappeared?

21:04 <zombie67> in a puff of logic

21:04 <MTughan> Heh.

21:05 <xcamel> double parked in a parallel universe..

21:05 <MTughan> You're a graviton?

21:05 <xcamel> I lost an electron..

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22:07 <MTughan> I'm off for now...

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23:39 <Tank_Master> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/rjn/apod/image/0802/atlas_cern_big.jpg

23:39 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1arK> (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

23:39 <PovAddict> seen ti

23:39 <PovAddict> it*

23:39 <Tank_Master> fikin huge

23:47 <Tank_Master> 8 stories high

23:47 <Tank_Master> (at least)

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